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JibberJabber

From the Twitter…

Within weeks of Ghislaine Maxwell’s arrest, federal agents recovered:

– 123 missing children in Michigan
– 39 missing children in Georgia
– 25 missing children in Ohio
& a search is ongoing for 150 more

I can’t help but wonder whether her arrest & these recoveries are related.

Funny how the MainStreamMedia of the Left have ignored these successful anti-pedophile operations, it’s almost like they and their masters have something to hide. ?

[Mod: This is unverified from Twitter. Provide evidence of it by midday today or this post will be removed as spreading QAnon conspiracy misinformation. Thanks.]
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December 4, 2019 9:08am
- Critical Thinker
  
  The corrupt MSM have been ignoring this horror for a long time now ?
  
  In Australia, an estimated 20,000 children are reported missing every year.
  
  In Canada, an estimated 45,288 children are reported missing each year.
  
  In Germany, an estimated 100,000 children are reported missing each year.
  
  In India, an estimated 96,000 children go missing each year.
  
  In Jamaica, an estimated 1,984 children were reporting missing in 2015.
  
  In Russia, an estimated 45,000 children were reported missing in 2015.
  
  In Spain, an estimated 20,000 children are reported missing every year.
  
  In the United Kingdom, an estimated 112,853 children are reported missing every year.
  
  In the United States, an estimated 460,000 children are reported missing every year.
  
  https://globalmissingkids.org/awareness/missing-children-statistics/
  
  #SaveOurChildren
  
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  September 4, 2020 9:50am
  - Batman
    
    You’re simply confirming, yet again, your subtle pushing of QAnon.
    
    they have co-opted the save the children hashtag in order to promote their insane theory and caused real and lasting damage to the actual organisations doing this work. Those organisations have been flooded with calls and emails about completely untrue theories of children in underground caves, celebrities, media, and politicians engaging in and hiding child abuse and cannibalism.
    
    Your continued pushing of this stuff is very concerning to be honest, though perhaps unsurprising.
    
    Please do some wider reading about this, if it isn’t too late:
    
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/12/technology/qanon-save-the-children-trafficking.html
    
    https://www.columbusalive.com/news/20200828/why-new-push-to-save-children-isnt-as-innocent-as-it-sounds
    
    https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/qanon-looms-behind-nationwide-rallies-viral-hashtags-n1237722
    
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/08/21/qanon-supporters-may-be-behind-hundreds-of-in-person-save-the-children-rallies-planned-for-saturday/#714c0cc67501
    
    https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article245299775.html
    
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    December 4, 2019 11:44am
    - IC5000
      
      Seriously? Is there no level of degeneracy QAnon Supporters are prepared to sink to to push their agenda and try to corrupt people?
      
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      September 4, 2020 12:13pm
      - Batman
        
        well, deranged people do deranged things…
        
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        September 4, 2020 12:34pm
    - Critical Thinker
      
      Thanks for the links Batman. I’ll give them a good read ?
      
      I have to say that I found it interesting to hear what the President of the US had to say about this “QAnon” movement a few days ago:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWVNkHQtdbw
      
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      September 4, 2020 12:20pm
      - Batman
        
        Lol I enjoy you pretending not to know what QAnon is.
        
        However, keep in mind that Trump is incapable of condemning anyone who says nice things about him. So being told that a group of people treat him as a hero means he was never going to distance from them. And he has retweeted them hundreds of times.
        
        This is useful: https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/qanon-domestic-terrorism-threat-conspiracy-theory-866288/
        
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        September 4, 2020 12:31pm
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        You guys do know that “QAnon” is just a joke meme, don’t you?
        
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        September 4, 2020 3:31pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      Good to see you have all the latest talking points lined up Batman. Don’t know what we’d do with out your eagle eyed vigilance.
      
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      September 4, 2020 2:21pm
      - RW Capitalist
        
        sarcasm will be taxed….just a reminder.
        
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        September 4, 2020 7:08pm
- virtualmark
  
  Trump on Hilary Clinton: “Nasty woman”
  Trump on Nancy Pelosi: “Nasty woman”
  Trump on Kamala Harris: “Nasty woman”
  
  Trump on Ghislaine Maxwell: “I wish her well”
  
  Just who might perhaps have something to hide?
  
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  September 4, 2020 9:52am
  - Scott
    
    virtualmark – that’s one way of looking at it. The other way is to note that whatever Trump is for the mainstream media is automatically against. So for example the hydroxy medication that Trump mentioned could have promise in combating Covid was promptly slammed by the media and banned by Democrat governors from being used. If Trump is for it then they are against it.
    
    So in this instance Trump is doing exactly the right thing about Maxwell. “I wish her well” is actually a pretty bland statement by Trumpian standards. If he had said, “I hope that she is prosecuted to the full extent of the law!” Then I bet you dollars to doughnuts that the media would have wanted to go soft on her.
    
    So he is doing the right thing. A bland statement. Essentially keeping out of it. Allowing justice to run its course. Which is absolutely right.
    
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    September 4, 2020 11:23am
    - Batman
      
      hahahah, oh the mental gymnastics of this comment is just beautiful!
      
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      September 4, 2020 11:24am
      - Simon
        
        “h the mental gymnastics of this comment is just beautiful!”
        
        Russian truthers should probably take a seat.
        
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        September 4, 2020 12:15pm
      - Batman
        
        Given the Senate report found it was all entirely true, perhaps you should take a seat rather than confirm one’s own stupidity.
        
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        September 4, 2020 12:34pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Mods, could you please warn Batman over his lies about Russian Collusion ? If QAnon is unacceptable, surely that same sort of malicious rumour mongering should get the same sort of treatment ?
        
        Or is “Orange Man Bad” a sufficient excuse ?
        
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        September 4, 2020 2:23pm
    - virtualmark
      
      Nah Scott, Trump has been credibly accused of sexual assault and rape by at least 25 women, has confessed to sexual assault (“grab him by the pussy”), and was a known close associate of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell for years.
      
      Trump does unhinged vitriol and nasty like no one else. So “I wish her well” sounds suspiciously timid in Trump-land … almost as if maybe Ghislaine knows where Jeffrey’s video tapes are.
      
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      September 4, 2020 12:16pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Oh, Scott, my 2c worth is that E Jean Carroll is going to get Trump on rape charges within 12 months.
        
        Also likely within the next 12 months is the NY AG and the Manhattan DA on various tax fraud, bank fraud and just plain fraud charges. They will have his federal tax returns and his accounting records within 6 months. They already have his NY state tax returns (obv) and both Michael Cohen and Allen Weisselberg are now cooperating witnesses.
        
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        September 4, 2020 12:21pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        E Jean, who accused Trump of rape in a department store changing room, when even the Store said that basically it wasn’t possible. Who then was interviewed many times on TV and couldn’t tell a coherent story ? That E Jean ? Nuttier than a squirrel’s winter stash.
        
        My god but you are totally desperate, and the mods think that Q-Anon is a “dangerous” information source.
        
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        September 4, 2020 6:11pm
  - IC5000
    
    > Just who might perhaps have something to hide?
    
    Maybe she’ll flip on Trump. After all Cohen came out ok in the end.
    
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    September 4, 2020 12:15pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    You’ve got it completely back-to-front. When Trump recognises a potential threat to his Presidency he responds with aggression, as in the responses to Pelosi, Harris and Clinton.
    
    Maxwell is literally no threat to him, and being pleasant costs nothing.
    
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    September 4, 2020 1:35pm
    - IC5000
      
      > When Trump recognises a potential threat to his Presidency he responds with aggression.
      
      Of course, just like any thug would.
      
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      September 4, 2020 2:22pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        You think nice guys finish first, do you? How touching.
        
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        September 4, 2020 8:09pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  The innuendo is magnificent, a very good mimicking of the left, in it’s own right.
  So satisfying to beat a bully, with their own stick.
  
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  September 4, 2020 10:11am
- Critical Thinker
  
  “[Mod: This is unverified from Twitter. Provide evidence of it by midday today or this post will be removed as spreading QAnon conspiracy misinformation. Thanks.]”
  
  It doesn’t take much to do a simple google search to verify these facts, instead of trying to censor JJ for so called “QAnon conspiracy misinformation” ?
  
  “Operation Safety Net,” based out of Cleveland, recovered 25 missing teens between ages 13 and 18 in its first two weeks.
  This news came the same day as another Marshals announcement on the recovery of 39 other missing children in Georgia’s “Operation Not Forgotten.”
  https://www.oxygen.com/crime-news/operation-safety-net-recovers-25-missing-ohio-children
  
  In 2018: 123 missing children found in Michigan during sex trafficking operation
  https://nypost.com/2018/10/09/123-missing-children-found-in-michigan-during-sex-trafficking-operation/
  
  Operation Safety Net aims to rescue 200 missing Northeast Ohio children
  https://www.wbrc.com/2020/08/29/operation-safety-net-aims-rescue-missing-northeast-ohio-children/
  
  [Thanks for providing some evidence of it. Mods are not here to verify any and all claims by commenters. There is onus on the commenter to provide evidence. Posting unverified claims from Twitter, particularly with theories around suppression of stories by other outlets, leads to the spread of dangerous conspiracies like QAnon. Given the attempts by QAnon by usurp legitimate anti-trafficking and missing children cases for their own ends, it is reasonable to expect some evidence to be provided if people are going to post it on KB. This is a state operation dating back to 2018 which targeted a range of missing and trafficked young people, and there is no evidence of is being linked to any other motivation, as hinted at by JibberJabber.]
  
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  September 4, 2020 11:25am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    There’s no such thing as a “dangerous conspiracy (theory)” for goodness’ sake. We’re adults here, we have a decent chance of filtering out the BS and querying the stuff that needs to be queried, and we don’t need to have thoughts, viewpoints, posts or links censored to prevent our delicate sensibilities from getting an attack of the vapours.
    
    You’re drifting into FB censorship and hate speech laws territory here, which should be anathema to a free-speech promoting blog supposed to enable the free exchange of ideas – including ones we disagree with.
    
    Disclaimer: Personally I believe QAnon are bat-shit crazy but there’s nothing dangerous about them.
    
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    September 4, 2020 1:42pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Nothing dangerous? People read and believe this shit and then go and shoot up pizza parlours, while one or two of the Q followers are about to be elected to congress.
      
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      September 4, 2020 1:58pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      Agreed, Mod, lighten up. You put up with Batman and others peddling malicious anti-Trump falsehoods. Your bias showing a tad ?
      
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      September 4, 2020 2:26pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        You know Batman’s a mod right? I know.
        
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        September 4, 2020 8:11pm
- Greg Ettridge
  
  My theory is if you see something on Facebook And their censors ban it, it was more than likely true but didn’t fit the narrative.
  You are so lucky you don’t live in Victoria, no one now can express any opinion that doesn’t fit the narrative except overseas.
  Pretty sad, just make sure the same doesn’t become the same in NZ, I enjoy your blogs because they are basically still free for anyone to have a reasonable opinion without a visit from half a dozen cops, treasure this it is worth fighting for.
  Andrew Bolt lost his blog freedom years ago and now needs 24 hour protection.
  Opinion is no longer that, it can be lethal.
  
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  September 4, 2020 1:37pm
CJames

Why is Shaun Hendy still being used as an expert for commentary about Covid? His credibility is zero among those that know the subject. He has no expertise in epidemilogical modelling – just an academic grifter, whose salary is unaffected by the econimic collapse. He also still has that 80,000 deaths to explain. I note the media don’t mention the subject so perhaps even they realise they were conned. The higher deathrate for Maori and Pacific people also comes from a model. I wonder if he had a hand in that one?
The fact that Mr Hendy seems to be still within the trusted circle for ministerial advice indicates that it is the blind leading the blind. No wonder they keep getting it wrong.
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September 4, 2020 8:00am
- Sigmund Freud
  
  Proof that chief medical officers responsible for locking up BILLIONS of earth’s citizens are in fact, arrogant and ignorant f*%^w*^s.
  
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8691045/Wear-mask-having-sex-Canadas-doctor-suggests.html?fbclid=IwAR1M3cb4Jxw7llYc_QqjFN-n5ulUuOZ7oWJaYwthorGji-k0MdSx9iComtE
  
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  September 4, 2020 8:11am
  - softail 1450
    
    Come on Sigmund masks must work with sex ,man’s “little man” has been wearing them for decades and they’ve saved all sorts of problems ,not sure if a homemade example would be much good though, LOL.
    
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    September 4, 2020 10:45am
- Gravelroad
  
  Yes.
  I don’t know much about Mr Hendy, but I do recall his 80,000 deaths in NZ prediction.
  This went a long, long way to creating a climate of Covid fear and hysteria.
  Can only assume this was a deliberate action to achieve total political control over our country and its population.
  Explanation required.
  
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  September 4, 2020 8:13am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  He and the pink haired one should get married. Two bull shitters that deserve each other
  
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  September 4, 2020 8:20am
- cmm
  
  The blind leading the willfully ignorant.
  
  He sings the best tune for the fearmongers.
  
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  September 4, 2020 8:21am
- Simon
  
  Yep Hendy’s so called “expertise” is garbage. How badly can he be wrong about the death count.
  
  Now this smug know all wants everyone wearing a muzzle.
  
  The death count didnt pan out but got to keep the fear porn moving.
  
  “fact that Mr Hendy seems to be still within the trusted circle for ministerial advice”
  
  Where is National calling this bull shit out? No where.
  
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  September 4, 2020 8:22am
- johnbc
  
  Just as there is a gaggle of geese and a murder of crows, so there is a plague of epidemiologists.
  
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  September 4, 2020 8:26am
- Tony Stuart
  
  How many of the 22 who died from, with or were suspected of having Covid were Maori or Pasifika?
  
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  September 4, 2020 8:33am
  - igm
    
    How many overstayers are being hidden that may have/or not have the virus, or are in danger of contracting it, whilst awaiting the CoL to give them cittizenship and all the benefits accorded to illegal immigrants they know will vote for them?
    Poor bloody taxpayers once again paying for this CoL’s inept performance.
    
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    September 4, 2020 8:40am
    - IC5000
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
      > How many overstayers are being hidden that may have/or not have the virus, or are in danger of contracting it, whilst awaiting the CoL to give them cittizenship and all the benefits accorded to illegal immigrants they know will vote for them?
      
      Most likely none as they are not likely to be tech billionaires.
      
      Sorry but your lame Trumpists fantasies are just that. Lame
      
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      September 4, 2020 8:59am
      - softail 1450
        
        IC5000 has caught TDS level 11 from septicboy2.
        
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        September 4, 2020 10:54am
      - IC5000
        
        > IC5000 has caught TDS level 11 from septicboy2
        
        I have openly acknowledged this in the past but I was an early supporter of Trump until I determined that lying, sexual assault, fraud and immorality were important character issues.
        Obviously Trump supporters feel differently but that’s their decision.
        
        If you are so emotionally reliant on your support of Trump as a way of boasting your own ego then may I suggest you improve your own life instead of having to rely on someone who wouldn’t wipe their ass on you.
        
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        September 4, 2020 12:02pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        So IC5000, you won’t be a Biden fan then ?
        
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        September 4, 2020 2:28pm
    - Brian McDonald
      
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      Try a happy pill igm your deep misery with the world is showing. That might stop you waking up in the night shouting “leeches, bludgers and overstayers are coming to get me,” before spewing it out on KB.
      
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      September 4, 2020 9:30am
      - igm
        
        I am too busy attempting to save a business that is close to insolvency thanks to CoL in the name of kindness to their sycophant bludgers.
        
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        September 4, 2020 9:55am
      - IC5000
        
        That’s not a nice thing to say about the elderly IGM. Maybe see about getting some professional assistance in these dark ti mes.
        
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        September 4, 2020 10:48am
      - softail 1450
        
        B M ,try a common sense pill and thank god for your benefit…
        
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        September 4, 2020 10:53am
      - Brian McDonald
        
        softail 10.48, get off your butt and go to work.
        
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        September 4, 2020 11:31am
    - Brian McDonald
      
      igm 9.55. In the same boat here, but not blaming anybody. Utilised the Government help like 1000s of other businesses did. No lay offs but not out of the woods.
      
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      September 4, 2020 10:59am
  - kowtow
    
    I thought the 22 had been revised down to 17 ?
    
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    September 4, 2020 9:05am
    - Sacha
      
      Yes. 5 people who died were discovered at post mortem, not to have had the virus. It has not been WIDELY reported. I suspect it doesn’t fit the agenda –
      
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      September 4, 2020 9:31am
      - softail 1450
        
        Sacha $60 billion dollars to not save 17 people, that is the bargain of the century. thanks Winston.
        
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        September 4, 2020 10:57am
      - greybeard
        
        Tony Stuart’s question still must be answered: the reported higher death-rate from CV-19 for Maori & Pacifica people could only be based on those 17 deaths and nothing else.
        If Maori & Pacifica are to be treated somehow differently to everyone else from now on then it is imperative to see an analysis of those 17 deaths first.
        
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        September 4, 2020 10:59am
  - Pharmachick
    
    Regardless if n = 22 or n = 17, sample size to small to make such an inference. Unless they just added up all the excess stratified risk in these populations (heart disease, diabetes, obesity and other health risks for COVID). But the latter is hardly a robust study, and the conclusions will have very wide bounds of accuracy and precision (i.e. not precise or accurate)
    
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    September 4, 2020 1:05pm
- Tricati
  
  They scare the bejesus out of people to drive their agenda then wonder why parents won’t send their kids to school.
  People like Mr Hendy need to be called out, but unfortunately, they are protected ‘academic’ elite on the inner circle of an inept government.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/122659960/coronavirus-auckland-schools-struggling-to-get-students-back-at-level-2
  
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  September 4, 2020 8:49am
- cmm
  
  The thing that is very seldom reported is that Hendy’s 80,000 deaths report said 80,000 will die if we did nothing or did a full shutdown.
  
  The sweet spot was somewhere in the middle. I forget exactly what but it was something like shutting down schools.
  
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  September 4, 2020 8:52am
  - Ash
    
    True. But when will we see the costed options? Do nothing, close the border immediately, lockdown. In order to check the veracity of the modelling we need to see the projections for the chosen option vs the outcome. Did he predict 22 deaths?
    
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    September 4, 2020 9:53am
  - cmm
    
    Just to be clear… this is all just modelling based on pulling numbers out of your proverbial until the answers “feel” right.
    
    This is going to end up being the most expensive software bug ever.
    
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    September 4, 2020 2:01pm
- bruceavon
  
  Totally agree. His modelling was a joke. Him and various other experts only idea is to keep us in lockdown forever.
  
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  September 4, 2020 8:52am
- kowtow
  
  Talking of modelling , experts and the blind leading the blind…….
  
  Yesterday the UK Daily Telegraph reported that the ONS reports over the last 2 months over 6700 excess deaths at home, only 203 involved covid.
  Millions went untreated during lockdown, deaths in the under 65 age group for high blood pressure ,cardiac arrhythmias and diabetes all up.
  A patients advocate said ” Patients have payed a heavy toll for the emergency measures that have restricted access to the NHS…..”
  
  And now the gubmint there are desperate to get people back to work and school .
  
  Lockdowns are the easy bit , but look at the damage done and was it worth it ?
  
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  September 4, 2020 8:54am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Yes, I’ve been following this. The excess deaths attributable to withheld medical care are starting to mount.
    
    Government may feel they’re ‘fighting’ Covid-19, and many are guilty of war crimes in my view.
    
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    September 4, 2020 9:15am
    - IC5000
      
      > The excess deaths attributable to withheld medical care are starting to mount.
      
      But they were going to die anyway.
      
      This is the line you’ve been trying to feed us and now suddenly lives matter. Clownworld.
      
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      September 4, 2020 10:52am
      - gravedodger
        
        Being deliberately daft, no surprise.
        There is a growing raft, admittedly anecdotal, of ill health and death from missed and delayed treatment while the hospital capacity was put on hold for the 80 000 cases that came in at 17 .
        Also people too scared to seek consultation for early warning signs.
        When this all is revealed, and rest assured it will be so, the muppets will have joined the thousands who voted for the selector but now are mysteriously hard to find.
        
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        September 4, 2020 1:20pm
  - Happy1
    
    The problem with this is that here in New Zealand we had the same lockdown and our total deaths Y.T.D.have gone down. The unintended positive consequences (less flu less traffic accidents etc) excess the unintended negative consequences i.e suicides delayed medical treatment etc.
    
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    September 4, 2020 11:07am
- EuropeanCanon
  
  You think that is bad – Anthony Fauci has been in his position for around 36 years and has been wrong about pretty much everything for his whole career! Witness the absolute nonsense he babbled about the AIDS “crisis” – https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/fauci-fun-facts-dr-faucis-aids-predictions-also-way-off-mark/
  
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  September 4, 2020 8:58am
  - Batman
    
    I know you know this but don’t care. However I will say it anyway for the record.
    
    Science and scientists evolve their knowledge and views over time. They are not magical fortune tellers who are always right about everything, nobody is.
    
    Using the predictions of the mid-eighties and not acknowledging the massive effort that went into combating HIV/AIDS to achieve the reduction in its spread is simply ridiculous and shows what a joke Gatewaypundit is.
    
    That you believe and would spread this facile bullshit says a hell of a lot about you.
    
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    September 4, 2020 11:53am
    - Ed Snack
      
      But the AIDS crisis was way overblown at the time, and long after the real level of risk was known. Sure people get spooked by something new, it took a while to recognise the pathogen as an RNA virus as those were not at all well known at the time; and the association with the gay community did lead some down incorrect paths for a start.
      
      The primary risk to the wider population outside of certain areas where cultural practices encouraged heterosexual spread was through contamination of the blood supply, and that was averted fairly early on.
      
      The rest was fear porn, for reasons I guess we need not go into.
      
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      September 4, 2020 2:35pm
    - EuropeanCanon
      
      Geez mate, bit sensitive are we? I note you don’t address the substance of the comment, which is that Fauci was wrong no matter which way you slice it.
      
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      September 4, 2020 3:09pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  Your post and the responses to it clearly demonstrate that Hendy’s credibility is zero among Kiwibloggers, but what is the evidence that “his credibility is zero among those that know the subject”? Which recognised authorities in the relevant fields have publicly stated their lack of confidence in his statements and comments?
  
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  September 4, 2020 9:12am
  - Sigmund Freud
    
    Dear Albert, Hendy’s credibility amongst those that know the subject is rock bottom – at least until dead bodies start piling up on the mean old streets of… Takapuna! lol at idiots!
    
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    September 4, 2020 9:51am
  - CJames
    
    I will play your silly game AR as you seem unable to use Google.
    https://www.auckland.ac.nz/en/science/our-research/research-institutes-and-centres/centre-for-computational-evolution/research-in-computational-evolution/epidemiology-research.html
    http://publichealth.massey.ac.nz/home/education/courses/short-courses/regression-and-causal-modelling-in-epidemiology/
    https://www.auckland.ac.nz/en/news/2020/04/24/modelling-the-pandemic.html
    Now why haven’t these got the publicity that Mr Hendy has had?
    
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    September 4, 2020 9:54am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      (A) when did requesting evidence in support of assertion become a silly game?
      (B) thank you, but while those links do indeed lead to recognised experts, none of them leads to a recognised expert saying that they don’t think Hendy is credible. One of them even mentions the 80,000 figure
      
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      September 4, 2020 1:06pm
      - CJames
        
        I am glad you read the links. The last one was put in there deliberately as a test as they weren’t epidemiologists but part of Hendy’s team. The first two links are real epidemiologists who created alternative models. Like Jules points out below, they haven’t got the Prime Minister’s ear. They have written about it though.
        
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        September 4, 2020 3:42pm
  - Jules99
    
    Plenty of information by recognised experts in the relevant fields here:
    
    https://www.covidplanb.co.nz
    
    For some reason, the MSM seem to prefer the opinions of someone whose specialism is physics.
    
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    September 4, 2020 9:56am
- pjay
  
  Yup – but now there’s another more creditable mouthpiece being given lots of media push – Prof Michael Baker – who I believe was credited with “tearing up” in an interview with Gower!
  
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  September 4, 2020 9:25am
- Brian McDonald
  
  In order not to conflate one argument with the grievance list you so kindly repeated, again, I agree with him on not exporting Covid 19 out of Auckland.
  I also agree with the plan raised by others of regular testing in rest homes.
  This is how the battle moves on, not forgetting about what was learned in taking the last trench but taking the next.
  
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  September 4, 2020 9:26am
- Cinematic
  
  There seems to be no feedback loop in the handling of this Covid affair. No learning. Slaves to their original junk science position.
  
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  September 4, 2020 9:27am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Red radio tells us that more Maori and PI would die due to ‘racism’. Yes, seriously. The details though were because of being overweight, diabetic, heart conditions.
  
  All *your* fault, ‘white’ person: your racism makes others overweight and diabetic!!
  
  And as usual, red radio never defines who exactly is Maori in NZ when thankfully people have been happily intermarrying for a couple of centuries now.
  
  And wait, wouldn’t it be body shaming to tell people to lose weight? Evil ‘white’ thin person, your values are wrong and prejudiced!!
  
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  September 4, 2020 9:54am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  The figure 80,000 is what scared the hell out of Sheeple and made them Labour supporters. No brains.
  
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  September 4, 2020 10:28am
- Bullion
  
  Here, easy to explain why no 80,000 deaths – because we acted.
  
  Left unchecked, the virus would eventually infect 89 percent of New Zealand’s population and kill up to 80,000 people in a worst-case scenario.
  
  ICU beds would reach capacity within two months and the number of patients needing intensive care would exceed 10 times that capacity by the time the virus peaked.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/in-depth/412744/the-man-modelling-nz-s-covid-19-spread-from-his-kitchen-table
  
  And you can see the model compared to actual cases:
  https://twitter.com/hendysh/status/1253536727857131527/photo/1
  
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  September 4, 2020 5:18pm
  - CJames
    
    Then why did Sweden that had no lockdown have nothing like the Hendy curve? Occam’s razor says it is because the model was shit.
    
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    September 4, 2020 6:56pm
Happychappy

How could you trust Stuart Nash and Labour to honour their promise of installing Cameras on our fishing fleet trawlers when they rolled over on promises after last the last Election to their corrupt partner in Government NZ First and then Stuart Nash got caught out lying on the reasons why.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/content/tvnz/onenews/story/2020/09/04/stuart-nash.html
Stuart Nash promised 348 camera’s will be installed on vessels in 2021. Promises mean nothing unless they are implemented and after the last three years you would and could not be certain will occur after Labours track record of the last three years.
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September 4, 2020 8:01am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Play school TV1 say the Govt is paying. WRONG! The NET Taxpayer is footing the bill
  
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  September 4, 2020 8:18am
  - igm
    
    This is the attitude of most Labour/Green supporters . . . they think money is electronic and know nothing of taxpayers’ burden as most are beneficiaries
    
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    September 4, 2020 8:42am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Beneficiaries and bureaucrats. Don’t forget all the people paid big salaries by the taxpayer.
      
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      September 4, 2020 10:24am
      - igm
        
        Sorry, I overlooked public service bureaucrats who are multiplying by the hour, doing less by the minute.
        
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        September 4, 2020 11:27am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Also let’s remember that State Sector Employees do not pay TAX. ALL Tax come from the Private Sector
    
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    September 4, 2020 3:27pm
- G152
  
  Electioneering.
  They’re not interested in fishing, the boats, crews or catches.
  But the greens will add to their chance of returning to power and the greens hate anything to do with anything that can be anything.
  So now they want cameras on boats.
  As a compromise can we put cameras in politicians offices?
  I mean if its okay to spy on workers they should be okay with some-one spying on them
  
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  September 4, 2020 8:21am
- mark15
  
  He’s out in Taradale tomorrow morning.Let’s ask him.
  
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  September 4, 2020 8:33am
- Albert_Ross
  
  I would be a bit cautious with this line of argument. If you do want cameras to be put on boats then that is a reason to not vote for Winston, but it’s not particularly a reason to not vote Labour.
  
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  September 4, 2020 9:14am
dave_c_

So ! Please tell me how this has been determined :

“Coronavirus: Māori more likely to die from Covid-19, study finds.”

NZ has had 22 deaths from Covid, and none for months now.

If the proposition is that Maori will suffer more is true, how many Maori among the 22 deaths were of Maori pursuasion?, and why have there been none since ?

Studies like this do not engender any form of respect for ‘Experts’
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September 4, 2020 8:03am
- Blackbob
  
  That’s actually 17 deaths, some from, some with Covid-19. The other 5 people are still dead but 4 tested negative several times but hey lets put it down as C-19 any, the 5th person was never tested, just assumed. Information from an OIA request from MOH.
  
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  September 4, 2020 8:14am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Must be those evil White Supremacy people lurking in hidden places in the magical Aotearoa. Impossible for anyone else to be so racist
  
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  September 4, 2020 8:17am
  - oldfella
    
    New Zealand = bad
    Aotearoa = good
    
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    September 4, 2020 10:01am
- MT_Tinman
  
  What a shame there is not a law about the use of the word “study” when no genuine study has been done.
  
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  September 4, 2020 8:17am
- NZDirect
  
  I beleive 5 of the 22 tested negative for Covid so the actual covid related death toll in NZ is 17 (30% difference)
  
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  September 4, 2020 8:20am
- Jaundiced
  
  I heard on RNZ that Maori make up 6% of cases. If so, they are underrepresented and should go to the Tribunal!
  
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  September 4, 2020 8:21am
- IC5000
  
  > Coronavirus: Māori more likely to die from Covid-19, study finds.”
  
  Most likely by examining the risk factors that lead to infection. For instance if you are male in your 60s, who does not exercise, who smokes, has a bad diet and has diabetes then this puts you at increased risk of cardiovascular disease. Maybe you should do your own study to refute Maori are not at risk if it enrages you so much.
  
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  September 4, 2020 8:38am
  - Ruawai
    
    So why not say all people with these risk factors have more chance of dying from Covid, rather than being racist and saying Maori and Pacifica have more chance of dying. It is not their race that is increasing their chance of dying but the risk factors.
    
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    September 4, 2020 8:54am
    - IC5000
      
      Actually it’s been found the certain races do have a greater risk based on their race. African Americans have a higher risk for type two diabetes for instance based on a confluence of factors that include genetics. Race is one of those risk factors. I guess you could remove it if you wanted to impose an ideological based outcome and not one based on science
      
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      September 4, 2020 9:17am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Surely it is racist to imply in any way that one “race” (and I thought that the mantra few short years ago was that race as such did not exist) is different or in any way inferior or more vulnerable. Except for “white” people, it is, after all, all their fault for everything bad.
        
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        September 4, 2020 2:39pm
      - IC5000
        
        Yes because it’s clear that exterminating Jews as the same as investigating why different populations have varying susceptibility to illness so as to target medical funding more effectively and save lives.
        
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        September 4, 2020 3:54pm
  - Jimmy White
    
    If you don’t exercise, Smoke, have a bad diet, diabetes, and don’t forget overweight you are already on the short slippery slope to death anyway.
    
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    September 4, 2020 9:04am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘who does not exercise, who smokes, has a bad diet and has diabetes then this puts you at increased risk of cardiovascular disease. ‘
    
    Sounds like your at risk ……..from yourself.
    
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    September 4, 2020 9:08am
    - IC5000
      
      You’re a piece of work. Do you go around telling people with multiple sclerosis that they deserve to die because the illness is their body working against itself.
      
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      September 4, 2020 7:41pm
  - Sigmund Freud
    
    Thank GOD for that IC5000. Now I know not to waste MY money on these layabouts until at least, they wish to help themselves.
    
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    September 4, 2020 9:55am
- graham
  
  Seems to be mostly theoretical, based on extrapolating data. The same thing was being reported back in April – ” Māori are more than twice as likely to die from Covid-19 than Pākehā, according to new modelling that shows the rate is even higher for older Māori and Pasifika.”
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12325620&ref=readmore
  
  It’s blamed on the usual factors, which should come as no surprise – more Maori live with multiple underlying health conditions, hospitalisation and fatality rates for Maori and Pacific from the H1N1 influenza pandemic in 2009 were significantly higher than for New Zealand Europeans, Maori are at greater risk of exposure to the disease due to higher involvement in high-risk occupations and environments and larger social networks, and so on.
  
  All that said, and without wishing to sound cavalier with people’s lives, it will be interesting to see what the results are from the current outbreak. I don’t know what the deaths are by ethnicity, but the total cases to date (when broken down by ethnicity) are:
  
  Maori: 9%
  Pacific people: 10%
  Asian: 15%
  Eurpoean or other: 62%
  
  So while I can understand that if there is a huge outbreak in the Maori or Pacific communities, there could be proportionately more deaths … so far, Europeans have been infected at a far higher rate, and as we have been told, even if you don’t die the ongoing consequences can be serious.
  
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  September 4, 2020 8:53am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Polynesian communities have fared poorly in USA, more susceptible due to health issues, obesity and lack of long evolutionary exposure to such viruses.
  
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  September 4, 2020 8:57am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘lack of long evolutionary exposure to such viruses.’
    
    They migrated from China so should have natural immunities.
    
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    September 4, 2020 9:10am
  - Inandout
    
    UN, forget the evolutionary factor, that is bullshit. Most of those ‘people of colour’ have more whitish blood in them than dark.
    
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    September 4, 2020 9:21am
- Yvette
  
  dave_c_ So ! Please tell me how this has been determined :
  “Coronavirus: Māori more likely to die from Covid-19, study finds.”
  
  Pacific Islanders see highest COVID-19 rate in L.A. County  Coronavirus infection rates among Pacific Islander residents of Los Angeles County are six times higher than white residents and three times higher than Latino residents.
  Health experts say the reasons are similar to why Black people and Latinos are falling ill and dying at higher rates: reduced access to healthcare; higher levels of poverty; crowded housing; multigenerational households that make it more difficult to physically distance or quarantine; and higher rates of underlying health conditions that increase risk for severe illness from COVID-19, such as heart and lung disease, asthma and diabetes. Many Pacific Islanders also work in front-line jobs, such as food service, hospitality and healthcare, at which they are more likely to contract the virus and bring it home. [1]
  
  For the same reasons as marked in bold typeface above, the Maori and Pacific portion of the our population is seen as considerably more vulnerable than other groups.
  
  However in the first outbreak here, when less than 23 were said to be killed by covid, it appears to have largely missed Maori – about 8% of case numbers than the 16.5% their population share would suggest and only a quarter of the rate that Government feared, as reflected in $56 million addition funding (wherever that went or is)
  Perhaps some unpublicised factor was involved – such as Maori do not perhaps travel internationally as much as the rest of the population, bar maybe Pacific people – or the relatively small total number infected, only about 1,500, or Hone’s roadblocks (moral effect rather physical) – or Maori that time around were simply lucky.
  
  The Pacific community has been more involved in the new outbreak, but the crucial figure: those cases who end up in hospital ICU are still relatively low when compared to California statistics, so for some again unknown reason, New Zealand is not as hard hit as many other comparable countries – like Spain, Italy and France who have population configurations and circumstance similar to those of Maori and Pacifika here, most particularly co-morbid health conditions over age 60. An Italian estimate put their over 60s as 50% of them having 3 other medical conditions when they caught covid as a 4th.
  
  The choice Ardern faces and which is not put that plainly in the media is
  to shut New Zealand for business, or
  widen international contact but perhaps see many Maori and Paficika elderly – many of a generation – die.
  
  The latter being a similar process to parts of Italy and Spain for example, where those ill elderly who may have lasted another year or several years, are now dead, and assumably it won’t be such a profitable profession to be in : a funeral director in Milan for the next five or so years – unless you have been a funeral director for the past year.
  
  [1] https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-07-19/california-pacific-islander-native-hawaiian-communities-hit-hard-by-coronavirus
  
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  September 4, 2020 9:17am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The islanders put a premium on showing weight as it denotes status. That also makes them susceptible to other diseases.
    
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    September 4, 2020 11:15am
Lipo

The headline of this article
https://interactives.stuff.co.nz/2020/08/election-2020-the-whole-truth/#/1192702264/the-government-was-slow-to-act-on-face-masks
reads “Despite mounting evidence, NZ was slow to act on masks”
I have read the article but can’t see any evidence about mask use in the article.
1 line reads “But the Ministry of Health did not recommend mask use in the community, saying there was not enough evidence they were effective outside clinical settings”. And then just goes on about what other countries are doing which I suppose suggests we should just follow the leader

To help can anyone point to a clinical study showing mask use reduces the spread of Covid-19
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September 4, 2020 8:05am
- WaynelSexton
  
  No evidence that covid is deadly. Zero have died this time around and last time a bunch of 80 year olds died, which is completely normal for 80 year olds to do.
  
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  September 4, 2020 8:27am
  - Batman
    
    OK Dr Death, glad your business is going well.
    
    What a ghoul.
    
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    September 4, 2020 11:57am
- Albert_Ross
  
  https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31142-9/fulltext
  
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  September 4, 2020 9:18am
- Classic Liberal
  
  We’ve just heard that Batman has Covid! Masks obviously don’t work.
  
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  September 4, 2020 10:36am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Despite mounting evidence, NZ was slow to act on….anything
  There fixed it for ya.
  
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  September 4, 2020 10:57am
Maggy Wassilieff

Looking for a cheap bach on the Millionaires Mile, Oakura, Taranaki?

James might have one to sell you in a few years…

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018762546/green-school-s-planned-eco-village-development-news-to-james-shaw
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September 4, 2020 8:06am
mikenmildagain

Hey, hey it’s St Hermione’s day. She has a great story:
The Roman emperor Hadrian had her thrown into a vat full of boiling pitch, sulphur, asphalt and molten lead. When this failed to affect her she was thrown into a large red-hot copper vessel. Again with no effect. She was taken to a temple to offer libations, when, however, she prayed the pagan statues fell over and shattered.
Hadrian then sent two men to behead her and she told them if she could pray before she got beheaded but they just ignored her. But when they tried, their arms got charred, and the men bent down and begged to her and prayed to God.
After that, she lived a peaceful life.
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September 4, 2020 8:07am
- Jimmy White
  
  Sounds familiar, Did she work in a chip shop while at school.
  
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  September 4, 2020 9:09am
  - IC5000
    
    Hey, respect for the fish n chips. Look at where Pauline went from minimum chips to Parliament then prison.
    
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    September 4, 2020 7:43pm
- virtualmark
  
  Well it’s no wonder that Hermione did so well at Hogwarts then
  
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  September 4, 2020 9:11am
Master Mariner

From my news feed.

“• The Maritime Union says international seafarers have been coming ashore in New Zealand for medical treatment without first being tested for COVID-19, prompting calls for crew to be tested for the virus before a vessel arrives in the country. Ports of Auckland and the Maritime Union have expressed concerns about the COVID-19 risk international seafarers pose to New Zealand’s maritime border and the processes in place to safely handle medical emergencies involving ship crew. There had been four or five occasions over the past seven or eight weeks at the Ports of Auckland where international seafarers came ashore to receive medical treatment without being tested for COVID-19. The NZ government has yet to establish the cause of a resurgence of COVID-19 in New Zealand following more than 100 days of no community transmission. At the centre of the outbreak is a south Auckland coolstore, which receives containers from Ports of Auckland. In response to the mystery outbreak the Government ordered high-risk workers at Ports of Auckland and Port of Tauranga, along with managed isolation and quarantine facility staff, to be tested for COVID-19 by 20 August. On 1 July, a new Maritime Border Order came into effect. It says a person may disembark a ship to undertake an essential task such as loading and unloading cargo or undertaking maintenance on the ship. A person can also leave a ship if it is an emergency or to access medical services. The union had been lobbying for mandatory testing at the first port of call for international seafarers and at the port of origin.”
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September 4, 2020 8:07am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Excellent comment MM. It’s similar to the theory a friend of mine had, that an untested air crew member brought Covid into the country, and passed it on through a casual contact in New Zealand.
  
  Given that testing has shown this latest iteration of the virus to be different from the virus being treated earlier in the year, it seems clear that community transmission came from someone who entered New Zealand without being tested, and without going into MIQ on arrival.
  
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  September 4, 2020 8:56am
- kowtow
  
  The govt is very wary of upsetting the airlines or shipping companies , they know the country can be cut off quick smart from the essentials of life and trade (exports) .
  Where does go early go hard fit in with the real facts of life, other than being an empty slogan.
  
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  September 4, 2020 9:16am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

In case you al missed it last evening.
Tell me again that Trump will not win.
https://www.facebook.com/iheartmindypage/videos/809730316434302/
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September 4, 2020 8:11am
- Simon
  
  Biden is 12 points ahead of Trump!
  
  But now the panic.
  
  If Trump wins the Dems, MSM, Left and those who simp for the CCP threaten violence.
  
  Vote Biden or else. TDS off the charts.
  
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  September 4, 2020 8:35am
  - Jimmy White
    
    Where it you get that 12 points from.
    Latest poll has it as 8 points and falling
    Just wait till the debates
    
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    September 4, 2020 9:17am
    - alloytoo
      
      Everytime someone sees “Fiery Protesting” on CNN burning down their neighbourhood a little democrat turns “Red”
      
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      September 4, 2020 9:55am
    - Batman
      
      The range is 8-11 points, and Trump has a 50+ disapproval rating.
      
      Great place to be with 60 days to go! Wait for the debates indeed, the entire electoral ‘strategy’ of the Trump campaign hinges on Biden being able to speak and not drool on stage, such is the very low bar they have set for him, #geniuses.
      
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      September 4, 2020 9:56am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    We heard all this bull shit in 2016. What happened?
    Landslide! It will bean even bigger landslide this time .The MSM are scraping the bottom of the barrel
    
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    September 4, 2020 9:52am
    - Batman
      
      It wasn’t a landslide last time, that’s a lie, Steve.
      
      However, I have added you to the official unofficial KB landslide prediction list 🙂
      
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      September 4, 2020 9:57am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        You added me? Thanks. How many times is that now?
        
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        September 4, 2020 10:08am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        If all of the corrupt Democrat votes were taken out of the picture, it was a landslide. Crooked Killary could not win a rigged Election, and she is still mad as to this day
        
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        September 4, 2020 10:15am
      - Batman
        
        Well you weren’t on the list before so now you are, maybe I missed you.
        
        As for your second reply, Trump’s own pet investigation into voter fraud found absolutely nothing. There was no landslide and no evidence of “corrupt Democrat votes”.
        
        The only rigging that went on was the attempted chaos campaign by the Internet Research Agency out of the GRU. That wasn’t direct rigging of polls, but illegal foreign interference in domestic politics, which charges were laid over.
        
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        September 4, 2020 12:07pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      The US are welcome to Biden. The nursing homes here are full up.
      
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      September 4, 2020 11:18am
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      Trump will win the Electoral College and maybe even the popular vote, because they haven’t broken him over 4 years; Democrat supporters are looting, rioting and burning cities; the virus has peaked weeks ago; and the economy is rebounding better than expected. None of their tactics have worked. The real choice for voters, behind the false media-induced dichotomy, is traditional America, or a far-left hell hole.
      
      But, worryingly, I anticipate that the Democrats and Deep State will not concede and shit will get very ugly. We have seen and heard the seeds of a post-election coup being sown over the last few weeks (even the last 4 years) if we have been paying attention.
      
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      September 4, 2020 12:33pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        The Dow is about to break 30000
        
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        September 4, 2020 3:29pm
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        Steve
        But mostly only due to the 4 or 5 tech companies who have done extremely well out of the lockdowns. You know, the ones who have been constantly disseminating fear porn and censoring anyone who questions the “official” narrative. Jeff Bezos had added about 70 Billion to his net worth, Google is now a trillion dollar company since the lockdowns began. It really makes you wonder.
        
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        September 4, 2020 3:37pm
  - Critical Thinker
    
    Stunning Post-RNC Poll Shows Trump with 3-Point Lead Over Biden ??
    https://www.westernjournal.com/stunning-post-rnc-poll-shows-trump-3-point-lead-biden/
    
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    September 4, 2020 11:11am
    - Batman
      
      A poll with an absurdly tiny margin or error of 2.5, which calls the exact opposite scenario of 99% of other polls? You are welcome to put your eggs in one basket I suppose but it really looks like clutching at straws.
      
      Meanwhile in the real world:
      
      https://www.foxnews.com/official-polls/fox-news-poll-biden-tops-trump-among-likely-voters-in-key-states
      
      https://www.businessinsider.com.au/biden-states-trump-won-fox-news-voters-poll-2020-9?r=US&IR=T
      
      https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/03/us/politics/biden-trump-polling.html
      
      Would you also like to talk about Biden out-fundraising Trump with the biggest single month of any candidate ever, raising $364million in August?
      
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      September 4, 2020 12:12pm
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      I’m actually feeling a bit sorry for Biden now. A bit.
      
      https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1301215934691016709
      
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      September 4, 2020 12:24pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  He might well win if his supporters follow his suggestion and all vote twice!
  Yesterday, the bullshitter-in-chief recommended those voting by mail go to the polling place vote in person as well. Which would be a crime – an actual instance of voter fraud rather than what is imagined by his more fevered supporters.
  
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  September 4, 2020 8:58am
  - Inandout
    
    m&m, Joe will not make it to the election and (as planned) Karmara will take over. Pelosi will have a bad hair day and resign.
    
    [Mod: Learn to spell names correctly or you’ll find comments deliberately misspelling to be binned]
    
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    December 4, 2019 9:26am
    - oldfella
      
      Wow, someone’s being a bit overprotective. Learn to spell or get binned? Really?
      What about all the ways people on here find to spell ‘Jacinda’? Will funny/caustic variations on Beloved Leaders name now lead to comments being binned?
      Wouldn’t seem to be in the KB spirit. Anyone else agree?
      
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      September 4, 2020 10:23am
    - kloyd0306
      
      Moderator showing his colours.
      Probably Master Batman.
      Total farce.
      
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      September 4, 2020 11:11am
  - virtualmark
    
    Trump in May in an interview with Fox News: “The level of dishonesty with Democrat voting is unbelievable. If you told a Republican to vote twice, they’d get sick at even the thought of it.”
    
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    September 4, 2020 9:15am
  - Jimmy White
    
    Miken…. FAKE NEWS.
    Trump said that if you do a mail-in vote and you see on-line that it has not been counted by election day you are entitled, BY LAW, to go and make a provisional vote on the day. If later your postal vote is counted the provisional is not.
    
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    September 4, 2020 9:21am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      That’s not what he said.
      
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      September 4, 2020 9:56am
    - alloytoo
      
      What happens if your postal vote is highjacked?
      
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      September 4, 2020 9:57am
    - Batman
      
      No Jimmy, you’re lying. This is what Trump said:
      “So let them send it in and let them go vote, and if their system’s as good as they say it is, then obviously they won’t be able to vote. If it isn’t tabulated, they’ll be able to vote,” Trump said when asked whether he has confidence in the mail-in system in North Carolina, a battleground state.
      
      “If it’s as good as they say it is, then obviously they won’t be able to vote. If it isn’t tabulated, they’ll be able to vote. So that’s the way it is. And that’s what they should do,” he said.
      
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      September 4, 2020 9:58am
      - Batman
        
        Jimmy are you actually seriously linking to McEnany’s fairytale as proof that Trump didn’t say what he said?
        
        You’ve even linked to the exact quote I used!
        
        Watch the clip, he explicitly says that people should vote by mail and then attempt to vote in person, which is a crime.
        
        https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/03/nc-election-official-rebukes-trump-408365
        
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        December 4, 2019 12:19pm
      - Jimmy White
        
        Batman.
        If you are going to get you facts from CNN who cut out a sentence and also from a totally different statement you will believe anything
        https://youtu.be/YVnoDNPXD8k
        
        https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/03/nc-election-official-rebukes-trump-408365
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_ballot
        
        Now put up your Clips Boy Wonder
        
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        September 4, 2020 10:18am
    - Fletch
      
      The White House press secretary brutally set a reporter right on it –
      
      https://www.facebook.com/BlazeMedia/posts/3444899742244154
      
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      September 4, 2020 11:18am
      - Batman
        
        Fletch, thanks for proving that Trump said it. She is deliberately being obtuse and using selected scenarios to zamboni Trump’s illegal suggestion.
        
        It’s illegal in NC to attempt to vote twice, regardless of tabulation or digital systems.
        
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        September 4, 2020 12:25pm
      - Jimmy White
        
        ‘“it isn’t tabulated, they’ll be able to vote. So that’s the way it is. And that’s what they should do,” he said.’
        You are not voting Twice. You a having a PROVISIONAL Vote. If your original vote is not Found/Counted/Tabulated your provisional Vote is used as your vote. You can only vote once either Postal Vote or your provisional Vote. Up, up and away!
        
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        September 4, 2020 1:40pm
      - Jimmy White
        
        https://youtu.be/W_3U3kND9rM
        Just in case Batman your Bat mobile won’t start
        
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        September 4, 2020 8:13pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    One way to test the system for corruption. The left and MSM are going apeshit. Wonder why?
    
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    September 4, 2020 9:54am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      You can’t ‘test the system for corruption’ by telling people to commit a crime and see if they get away with it.
      
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      September 4, 2020 9:57am
      - Jimmy White
        
        No wonder you think 2 and 2=5 Miken
        Please explain how making a Legal Provisional vote is breaking the law.
        “I see on-line that my mail-in vote has not been counted, I think it might have gone astray. I would like to make a provisional Vote please”
        
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        September 4, 2020 10:23am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  I have enjoyed a number of the anti Trump parodies. Their music has been quite catching.
  But the difference is that this parody shows happy attractive people enjoying themselves whereas on the anti Trump parodies the people look rather boring and mostly unattractive.
  
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  September 4, 2020 9:00am
- BeeJay
  
  Trump will not win!
  There, I said it for you, Steve. I watched the weird video you posted and I think I’d rather watch Lincoln Project ads! More realistic!
  
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  September 4, 2020 9:18am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Come see me Nov 4th
    
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    September 4, 2020 9:55am
    - BeeJay
      
      May not be Nov 4th if they have to count postal votes to get the final result! But whatever date it is I will come see you, Steve.
      
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      September 4, 2020 11:05am
MT_Tinman

A minister handing out money to his proposed electorate like confetti, a minster donating tax-payer money to a school for his mates, a MP ripping off the taxpayer for her office rental, a “leader” (ha ha) blatantly lying for political purposes at every opportunity, senior civil servants demonstrating blatant political bias and total incompetency can happen concurrently, a police leader appointed who is not only incompetent but racist and biased, a minister donating millions of tax-payer money directly to his horsey backers.

Has HM Opposition announced they will hold an inquiry into the corruption of the current coalition?
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September 4, 2020 8:13am
Maggie Pie

I see where David Wong Tong (JC’s hubby) is still coming in for a lot of stik on Facebook after he posted a couple of innocuous memes on twitter.

Yet it was considered a yuge joke when a lefties partner did it….

https://twitter.com/NZjusticeSUCKS/status/1301263864424624128
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September 4, 2020 8:19am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The lefties partner is ‘special’ Mr Teflon
  
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  September 4, 2020 8:25am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Appeals to a certain mindset I guess…
  
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  September 4, 2020 8:31am
- Albert_Ross
  
  If this is the best we’ve got by way of rebuttal, it’s very weak and I suggest we switch to a stronger line of attack.
  
  Clarke Gayford’s tweet is a bit tasteless but it doesn’t specifically target an individual and neither is it political, so it’s not equivalent to the green-faced Jacinda the Incredible Sulk posted by Judith Collins’ husband. Neither do I see any evidence that Gayford’s tweet was considered a “yuge joke” by anybody except Gayford himself and four Twitterers who liked the post.
  
  We can do better, so let’s
  
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  September 4, 2020 8:52am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    It actually got 20 likes Al.
    Just saying.
    
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    September 4, 2020 9:20am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      20 likes is “yuge” then?
      
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      September 4, 2020 10:09am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Would be for you Al 😛
        
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        September 4, 2020 10:46am
      - Albert_Ross
        
        I’ve done better, and I’ve done worse. However, this ain’t about me. It’s about the fact that we do ourselves no favours by putting up piss-weak evidence in support of arguments that don’t even matter, diverting resource and attention from the open goal that is Labour’s multiple failures in every area that does matter to public and private wellbeing.
        
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        September 4, 2020 12:35pm
wimpston peeeders

“Ardern said child poverty was the reason she got into politics at 17”

hmmm was her aspirations to make it better or worse? Unicef spilled the beens…
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September 4, 2020 8:29am
- Saks
  
  Dont be so harsh, it’s probably the governments only kpi that is moving upwards… apart from debt levels I guess
  
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  September 4, 2020 9:51am
- Humble Capitalist
  
  That was old data used Wimpston, those poor child poverdee results were from stats under the previous government.
  It was 9 years of neglect or a 1 in 100 year event that was the cause of this. It certainly wasnt a result of anything that this brilliant government has done. The year of delivery solved housing, poverdee, inequalidee. Do I need to re-idderate any more?
  
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  September 4, 2020 11:21am
Simon

The little weirdo James Shaw. What a shape shifting creep.

The Green school racket no different to the shape shifting climate change racket.

National went along with weirdo Shaw climate plan. Shame on National. Fooled by Shaw.
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September 4, 2020 8:29am
oldpark

A bad workman blames his tools . This time a lot more than one . Interesting to hear the mea culpas from Peters and Robertson and of course Ardern pleading for attention from voters . Yes Peters selection to install Lie-bour/ Greens /NZ First as NZ Government has proven his cause and theirs has been a failure . Now Liebour /Greens/ NZ First may not be so lucky this time around .
Heard in the last few days Robertson calling Nats “Dodgy” and the kneecapping bully boy David Parker putting the boot into our Farming Community the backbone of NZs economy .
Like they have been born to rule NZs as Dictators .
Lets take a look at “Dodgy” comments by Robertson on National Party .
National Voters with 56 seats at the 2017 Election got shafted by a bunch of ne’er do wells .
Let us check out the track record of Peters Selections . Too many committees and too many flip flops to get a grip on . Remember they were handed a Rockstar Economy and Many Shovel ready Projects. All too hard for the Peters installed gang of no hopers
The Result they have proven they are not fit for shovelling shit and even worse no policies for NZs survival economically other than to help “Commie Control Freak Ardern” with her running mate “Coronavirus” back into Power . With the philosophy of Karl Marx and complete control of NZs Sheeple over the next Three years and beyond. Hope not .
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September 4, 2020 8:30am
bythesea

I haven’t seen much commentary about this Australian covid authoritarian excess:
https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6186901505001

its the arrest in handcuffs of a pregnant woman in her pjyamas because of a facebook post about protesting the lockdowns. The specific crime – organising a protest meeting.

Is it just me that thinks that this sort of response is mad?
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September 4, 2020 8:38am
- IC5000
  
  Why are you supporting criminals? The specific crime was incitement to breach public health orders.
  
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  September 4, 2020 9:04am
  - JibberJabber
    
    What a good little puppet you are, I’ll you have the dob in line on speed dial I bet.
    Interesting how the Victorian Stasi didn’t have the balls to arrest the BurnLootMurder protesters for actually breaching the precious public health orders, but I guess that’s a step too far for you to comprehend?
    
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    September 4, 2020 9:24am
  - Cinematic
    
    Why are you claiming this law abiding young heavily pregnant mother of two is a criminal?
    
    Let’s see what the Court of public opinion has to say about her disgraceful arrest.
    
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    September 4, 2020 9:55am
    - IC5000
      
      > Why are you claiming this law abiding young heavily pregnant mother of two is a criminal?
      
      Because being pregnant and a mother doesn’t preclude anyone from breaking the law. Stop being a bleeding heart simp.
      
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      September 4, 2020 12:05pm
      - Cinematic
        
        Let’s see if this innocent young pregnant mother of two has committed a criminal act first shall we?
        
        Or is IC5000 judge, jury and executioner?
        
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        September 4, 2020 4:58pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    First lockdown Jaspinda broke the law (9 days illegal), but it’s different when the left do it
    
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    September 4, 2020 9:59am
- Honorary Kiwi
  
  No.
  
  Its deeply troubling and the deaths continue despite the LD 4 plus Curfew.
  
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  September 4, 2020 9:26am
- JibberJabber
  
  She only reposted the Protest notice, which specifically advocated Masks and Social Distancing, which of course Quislings here and in Australia conveniently ignore in their pearl-clutching to demonise this heinous threat to public order.
  On the upside, the Victorian Stasi have obviously cleared the books of rapes, murders and general pillaging that have ravaged the countryside for centuries there.
  
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  September 4, 2020 9:31am
JibberJabber

This mornings Red Pill,

https://www.wsj.com/articles/i-was-never-trump-not-anymore-11599087108?mod=e2two

and a bonus,

https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1301542478600904704
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September 4, 2020 8:41am
I remember when

The Turitea windfarm, which will be NZ’s largest when completed, has encounters further problems getting turbine blades on to site.
Parts of the access road they were using have collapsed and needs major work. There is mention of using the Saddle Road, which would suggest major disruption for Manawatu/HB travellers.
Completion dates for windfarm now said to be April/July next year.
Another blowout of costs?
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September 4, 2020 8:42am
- kowtow
  
  How many birds will be minced by ’em.
  
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  September 4, 2020 9:00am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Yeah, and:
    “they say the noise causes cancer”
    – Donald Trump
    
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    September 4, 2020 9:12am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Stress certainly contributes to worse outcomes.
      
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      September 4, 2020 11:10am
    - softail 1450
      
      “One day I’ll say something that doesn’t mention Donald Trump”
      —mikenwildagain.
      
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      September 4, 2020 11:14am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Better watch out then.
      
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      September 4, 2020 11:20am
    - Fletch
      
      Not cancer, but the low frequency infrasound can damage the heart and lungs.
      
      Prof. Wahl became interested in infrasound and its impact on health after a friend who lived near a wind park had complained of feeling continuously sick. It is known that all around the world people living near wind parks often experience health issues – some being severe.
      
      The group led by Prof. Vahl conducted an experiment to find out if infrasound has an effect on heart muscle strength. Under the measurement conditions, the force developed by isolated heart muscle was up to 20 percent less.
      
      The strength of the heart muscle is important in the event the aortic valve becomes caked up and thus more narrow. According to Dr. Vahl: “This changes the blood flow and the flow noise.”
      
      Now researchers are discussing whether these changes can pose an additional risk to the function of the heart, the Allgemeine Zeitung reported.
      
      Citing the results, Prof. Vahl said: “The fundamental question of whether infrasound can affect the heart muscle has been answered.”
      
      The researchers conclude: “We are at the very beginning, but we can imagine that long-term impact of infrasound causes health problems. The silent noise of infrasound acts like a heart jammer.”
      
      The professor wrote in a German newspaper –
      
      https://www.allgemeine-zeitung.de/lokales/mainz/nachrichten-mainz/windkraft-storsender-furs-herz-mainzer-forscher-untersuchen-folgen-des-infraschalls_18566513
      
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      September 4, 2020 11:26am
  - BeeJay
    
    Not as many bird deaths as you might think in NZ Wind Farms. DOC have produced a significant report on NZ wind farms that includes a section on the effect on bird life.
    My youngest is a professional Abseiler, has worked wind farms, power pylons, and many structures at height in UK, Europe, North America, Australia and NZ. The USA is probably the worst on the planet for bird deaths, mostly caused by their farm locations.
    
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    September 4, 2020 10:38am
    - kowtow
      
      ‘mostly caused by their farm locations.’
      
      Yes that’s right . Pop blades up in the air where birds have a tendency to fly and chop chop chop.
      
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      September 4, 2020 11:43am
Maggie Pie

My partners mum was telling us the Manager at the Retirement Complex has temporarily banned her from the Bingo Lounge unless she wears a face mask.
But like she told him, “I didn’t spend $40k on a Rhytidectomy just to cover it up with some two-buck mask”
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September 4, 2020 8:43am
- cmm
  
  Spending 40k to try pull some jokers at the bingo? Good investment I hope.
  
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  September 4, 2020 8:55am
- IC5000
  
  40k? That’s some hardcore denial right there.
  
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  September 4, 2020 7:52pm
fernglas

An interesting article in an Aussie car trade mag says that the average price of used cars in June this year compared to last June was up about 17%, which strongly suggests that public transport may be out of favour for a long time yet. Thank God the tax/ratepayer isn’t still being lumbered with the cost of the light rail system in Auckland.
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September 4, 2020 8:43am
- kowtow
  
  Lefty , globally warming gubmints urge folk to use public transport to save the planet .
  
  But at the same time they tell you it is so dangerous you can die from covid and /or spread the pandemonium and order you to mask up when using their preferred mode of transport . You could also get beaten up by other client members of the Elites on public transport , what’s not to like ?
  
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  September 4, 2020 8:58am
- Jules99
  
  We are still paying the petrol tax for it.
  
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  September 4, 2020 10:05am
- JibberJabber
  
  “Thank God the tax/ratepayer isn’t still being lumbered with the cost of the light rail system in Auckland.” Ah, sarcasm… love it.
  
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  September 4, 2020 10:59am
Critical Thinker

“The mean age of Covid-related deaths is similar to life expectancy – indicating Covid is affecting those who may have otherwise died from other illnesses. No research can find benefits from or a disease response to lockdowns. Estimates from other studies of the economic costs from lockdown compared to QALYs is that New Zealand is that costs outweighed benefits by 95:1. Switching from level 2 to level 4 had a very subtle effect on case numbers and probably saved one life in the very elderly population.” – Dr Simon Thornley, Senior Lecturer in Epidemiology at the University of Auckland

In the past week, two pillars of the COVID Con collapsed: deaths and positive tests.

The first crack in the pillar occurred in early May when task force member Dr. Birx claimed, “There is nothing from the CDC that I can trust.” She believed the CDC was inflating Wuhan flu mortality by as much as 25 percent.

The pillar of COVID deaths crumbled just days ago when the CDC updated their mortality numbers to reflect deaths “from COVID” versus deaths “with COVID.”

Death with COVID means that George Floyd is counted a COVID death because he tested positive at autopsy. This is similar to the case of a Colorado man dying of alcohol poisoning but the death was later blamed on COVID. Washington public officials counted gunshot fatalities as COVID deaths.

The CDC summarized it succinctly, “For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned.”

Days ago, in of all places, the New York Times, the second pillar of the COVID Con crumbled, as they reported:
The standard tests are diagnosing huge numbers of people who may be carrying relatively insignificant amounts of the virus.
Most of these people are not likely to be contagious and identifying them may contribute to bottlenecks that prevent those who are contagious from being found in time.

The NY Times found, “Up to 90 percent of people testing positive carried barely any virus.” Yet lockdowns of businesses and schools continue based on these wildly inaccurate numbers.

Is this purposeful or incompetent? I suggest the former.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/09/the_big_covid_con_exposed.html

#TREASON
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September 4, 2020 8:43am
- cmm
  
  This is one of the big problem with testing. What is an acceptable background level?
  
  There was the 35 year old woman pulled off a cruise ship when she tested positive. She tested negative a few days later because she had had such a low infection her body had beaten it (as is what happens most of the time).
  
  When they find a trace of a virus on the packaging of frozen chicken it means nothing because your body can easily kill off a wee trace of a virus.
  
  Your body has excellent defenses (most of the time) and little traces here and there are no threat at all.
  
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  September 4, 2020 8:59am
greenfinger

How about showing some kindness to lil’ Jimmy, Princess?
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September 4, 2020 8:49am
fernglas

Congrats Kiwibloggers and Facebook users. You have helped set back the cause of open justice by a couple of centuries.
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/labour-party-summer-camp-case-court-grants-man-permanent-suppression-to-protect-against-social-media-mob/
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September 4, 2020 8:50am
- cmm
  
  This is ridiculous.
  
  Half the point of naming and shaming is so that people will think twice before doing socially unacceptable things like putting your fingers where they are not welcome.
  
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  September 4, 2020 9:12am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Correct. Name suppression is vastly overused in New Zealand. Apart from the protection of victims,it should be very seldom imposed.
    Having said that, this case was not out of the ordinary. Low-level offending, an acceptance of guilt, and a discharge without conviction. Well within the threshold for name suppression as currently employed.
    
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    September 4, 2020 9:15am
    - RJ
      
      Nice to see the people that think putting your drunken hands down the pants of youth and assaulting them is low level offending. Speaks volumes of you
      
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      September 4, 2020 9:27am
    - JamesP
      
      “Low level” as in below the belt.
      
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      September 4, 2020 9:47am
    - kloyd0306
      
      Dollars to doughnuts you would be all for exposing the name if this took place at a National Party summer camp.
      We know you all too well.
      If it weren’t for double standards, you’d have none at all.
      
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      September 4, 2020 11:19am
    - softail 1450
      
      Being politically connected will get a favorable outcome every time in this Country ,especially if you are a family member of the ruling class.
      
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      September 4, 2020 11:20am
    - Humble Capitalist
      
      Would you consider it low level if it was your son or daughter Mike? Actually silly question, you probably still would.
      
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      September 4, 2020 11:28am
  - Paulus
    
    But he is related to a famous family but not a sportsman !
    So he cannot be named.
    
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    September 4, 2020 2:15pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Is your idea of open justice that the name is only made public in cases where nobody wants to talk about the person anyway?
  
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  September 4, 2020 9:14am
  - RJ
    
    Who says no one wants to talk about him. One of the victims has talked about him and named him in their twitter account since it happened. Perhaps instead of standing up for the criminal you should ask what his victims want
    
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    September 4, 2020 9:25am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Because of course he is the victim?
  
  Not an unsupervised event with minors?
  Not the labour party providing alcohol to minors?
  Not lying and covering up for months?
  
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  September 4, 2020 9:20am
JimBobJoe

Hmmm. This is interesting:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300098040/taxpayer-foots-bill-for-labour-electorate-funds-in-decadesold-subletting-arrangement?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Questions: Parliamentary services knew it was below market rent. Did they say to Labour that the rent not paid compared to market rent should be treated as a donation? Or at least say to Labour you should seek legal advice on this arrangement?

Question: Did Union Officials breach a fiduciary duty to members by charging way below rent to Labour? i.e. is giving Labour a sweet heart rental in the financial interests of Union members? And did Union members explicitly approve the sub-letting at below market rates which meant the Union members dues were subsidising Labour Party activities and is that allowed under the Unions charter or constitution?

Question: The difference between market rent and the amount charged to Labour is effectively a donation of funds or is it not covered by electoral law? If it is covered by electoral law, has Labour declared this on their electoral donations return? If not, why not?

Question: Why is Unions donating Union resources: people, use of cars, printing, etc etc during election campaigns not consider donations and full costed then declared by Labour or any other party that receives that type of in kind support and aid?

Smells very, very fishy
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September 4, 2020 8:54am
- mikenmildagain
  
  This could very well warrant a separate Kiwiblog post…
  
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  September 4, 2020 9:16am
  - sooty
    
    Was it Trevor Mallard who set up the scam as he was the MP?
    
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    September 4, 2020 10:58am
Maggie Pie

Holy Toledo Batman! 😛

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eg8AXRbUYAA1jdw?format=jpg&name=small
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September 4, 2020 8:59am
- JibberJabber
  
  A plan so cunning you could pin a tail on it and call it Hillary…
  
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  September 4, 2020 9:09am
- virtualmark
  
  Biden will want to debate Trump.
  
  Simple example: Watch both Biden and Trump’s convention acceptance speeches and then ask yourself which of those two would win a debate.
  
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  September 4, 2020 9:19am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Maybe the plan is
  Biden dies of covid19….Carmella Harris is president?
  The only thing that plan brings to mind…
  out of the frying pan and into the fire.
  Best vote for Trump.
  
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  September 4, 2020 10:37am
  - JibberJabber
    
    Careful, orthographical errors may trigger the hall monitor…
    
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    September 4, 2020 12:54pm
- softail 1450
  
  M P, And the best thing about that scenario is Joe wont remember a damn thing about it.
  
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  September 4, 2020 11:23am
igm

Stuff at it once again.
What in hell has this got to do with Jethro and Ardern, apart from more greasing for a slice of taxpayers’ $50m to keep their pathetic and vile narrative alive.
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September 4, 2020 9:05am
- igm
  
  Forgot to insert above:
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/122662826/strong-magnitude-57-earthquake-near-st-arnaud-90km-southwest-of-nelson
  
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  September 4, 2020 10:00am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Did Nick Smith get another hit on the govt., or is it just another act of god?
    
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    September 4, 2020 10:35am
- Ruawai
  
  Just to prove he is in the building!
  
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  September 4, 2020 10:36am
Rusty

It is estimated about 600 Kiwis die every week from a variety of causes and probably 80% of these deaths are from people aged 80 and over.

This 22 covid-19 deaths pales when compared to that stat.

How many Kiwis die every week from the common flu?

Not trying to be insensitive to any person who has lost a loved one but death is a reality of life.

How about math’s expert Shaun Hendy providing some stats on how many Kiwis are going to come down with depression and lose there jobs because of these lock downs?

Bet you the PM doesn’t want to know about that.
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September 4, 2020 9:22am
I remember when

Climate Change Response (Zero Carbon) Amendment Bill. Priyanca Radhakrishnan, Labour.
“We initiated the Green Freight Project to look closely at different green fuels and their role in reducing road freight emissions.
We now KNOW that a ‘one size fits all’ approach is unlikely to work.
Reducing greenhouse gas emissions from transport, by exploring increased use of green fuels, is an important part of our transition to a low-carbon transport sector.”
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September 4, 2020 9:24am
- peterwn
  
  And hydrogen is NOT a green fuel unless it is produced by electrolysis using electricity that is not generated by coal/oil/gas.
  
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  September 4, 2020 9:54am
  - rangitoto
    
    Much cheaper to produce it from natural gas via steam reforming.
    
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    September 4, 2020 10:17am
    - peterwn
      
      And the carbon ends up as carbon dioxide which is nearly all vented into the atmosphere.
      It is very easy to talk much BS about ‘hydrogen economy’ because most people do not understand science particularly with regard to gasworks.
      
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      September 4, 2020 10:34am
  - MT_Tinman
    
    using electricity that is not generated by coal/oil/gas
    
    I’m hip!
    
    We’re about to have a whole hydro-generation plant available for such a purpose. 😉
    
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    September 4, 2020 10:31am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Was this around the time the wanted to put a % of ethanol in fuel?
  That we couldn’t produce ourselves and would require the importation of “palm oil” products from the destroyed rain forest of Indonesia? Killing many Orangutan in the process, more Green “out of sight, out of mind policy”?
  
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  September 4, 2020 10:07am
- alloytoo
  
  Forgive if I’m wrong, by green fuels they mean “Bio-Fuels”.
  
  Don’t biofuels emit more C02 for less power, further more they are produced at the expense of food production. If they’re not produced in place of food production then they’re posing a threat to Bio-diversity by imposing mono-culture on a previously diverse enviroment.
  
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  September 4, 2020 10:08am
Maggie Pie

I see RT reporting President Putin is to open a chain of Tea-Rooms for Russian expats.
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September 4, 2020 9:29am
- virtualmark
  
  In Russian tea rooms tea boils itself. No need for kettle.
  
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  September 4, 2020 9:53am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    KGB Tips ?
    
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    September 4, 2020 10:20am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    or lights, it glows in the dark.
    or is that only from pellets in the tips of umbrellas?
    
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    September 4, 2020 10:32am
- mikenmildagain
  
  “Earl Grey, please.”
  “Would you like novichok or polonium with that?”
  
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  September 4, 2020 10:00am
- rangitoto
  
  Extra charge for a dash of organic polonium.
  
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  September 4, 2020 10:14am
- TWEEDSE
  
  Given Putin’s machismo persona, I had no idea he was so fond of tea rooms.
  
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  September 4, 2020 3:16pm
CaptainCompromise

I dont understand why Australia is so determined to become a quasi-totalitarian state. Every step they take is one closer to that goal. I’ve seen appalling videos of groups of armed and mounted police holding people down to apply masks in parks before hauling them away, and of a pregnant woman being arrested for incitement because she posted about organising a protest on Facebook.

The thing that worries me most is that we inevitably follow in Australia’s footsteps, idolising them like a big brother, and inevitably making the same mistakes. What we see their almost always arrives here later, music, TV, products, popular culture, social opinions, political opinions, political issues, and legislation and regulation. Mark my words we are next.
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September 4, 2020 9:31am
- peterwn
  
  Regardless, people will still give their eye teeth to immigrate to Australia, the benefits and rewards are potentially so great that who cares about a bit of totalitarianism.
  
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  September 4, 2020 9:51am
  - Flossie
    
    Please elaborate on the rewards and benefits for Kiwis moving to Australia. Quite a few downsides in my own lived experience.
    
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    September 4, 2020 10:58am
- Cinematic
  
  Common decent Aussies won’t stand for this. The uprising is nigh.
  
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  September 4, 2020 10:04am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Victoria Police double-down on pregnant woman arrest…..
  I don’t know the full story but…
  It appears here, that the key words in all this are
  Victoria Police ….
  
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  September 4, 2020 10:04am
- Jules99
  
  What’s also odd is, usually you get some sort of response from authorities after overly zealous policing, but there has been nothing related to the last few videos of police physically restraining people for non-violent crimes like not wearing a mask. Makes me think their purpose is to frighten the public and encourage them to comply with the rules.
  
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  September 4, 2020 10:09am
- Critical Thinker
  
  Today in the latest covid coof hysteria, allowing those on a power trip to enact their totalitarian dystopia ?
  
  I give you an English man having the sheer gall to sit peacefully on a train:
  https://twitter.com/StopComplying/status/1301603595842998272
  
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  September 4, 2020 10:41am
  - Ruahine
    
    To think that it has come to this.
    
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    September 4, 2020 11:22am
  - softail 1450
    
    C T ,unfortunately I would have gotten involved with throwing the pig off that man and gotten arrested as well,and pepper sprayed to boot.
    At waikaraka park years ago a man sitting in front of us started whacking his Mrs and when I told him to knock it off he attacked me.
    He lost a couple of teeth and sustained a broken wrist from falling on the old wooden steps after I clipped him once and we both got charged with assault ,luckily the beak let me off with a warning otherwise I’d still have that on my record,I wonder if his Mrs is still alive now?
    
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    September 4, 2020 11:48am
  - Critical Thinker
    
    And this is what Australians are now waking up to in the morning if they voice their opposition against the Orwellian New Normal:
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQihjKDi_r8
    
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    September 4, 2020 12:47pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Even the ‘80000 will die Hendy’ this morning on rnz said masks are only needed in indoor close spaces because Covid doesn’t seem to transmit often outside.
  
  Meaning: outside we should get fresh air, freedom and lift depression. Not start wearing masks the horrible way Jacinda keeps telling us to!!!
  
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  September 4, 2020 12:15pm
Inandout

There is a fake NZTA rego renewal email asking you to click on a banner and giving an incorrect renewal amount. First clue is the fake sender email address, the second NZTA is headed in English, not Maori.
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September 4, 2020 9:31am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Thanks, will keep an eye out.
  
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  September 4, 2020 10:02am
I remember when

Read and worth repeating:
Don’t blame it on the sunshine
Don’t blame it on the moonlight
Blame it on a honkey
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September 4, 2020 9:43am
- RW Capitalist
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqxVMLVe62U
  
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  September 4, 2020 10:22am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    What JA is trying to convince you of:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuJIqmha2Hk
    What is actually happening
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLeZof1wGps
    
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    September 4, 2020 10:26am
Tony Stuart

The gloves are well and truly off for Winston Peters as he scrambles to distance himself from Labour over the Covid-19 response:

NZ First leader Winston Peters has completely broken ranks from the Coalition government, saying he’d pushed for the army to be called in, masks to be worn and independent oversight of the Covid response, two days before New Zealand’s first lockdown in March.

He told Newstalk ZB’s Mike Hosking today that he regretted “in a way” not speaking out publicly at the time, but said he was bound by ensuring the Cabinet worked as a team with a cohesive approach – and that systems mattered.

Peters was responding to what he described as a “cheapshot” , after Hosking yesterday suggested Peters was gilding the lily in not taking responsibility for some of the holes in New Zealand’s Covid response. “It’s a cheapshot, you’re wrong.”

He said he had urged the Cabinet, two days before the first lockdown, that the military needed to be called in, that masks needed to be used, and that independent overseers such as Heather Simpson should be hired.

“The problem was we were trusting a bureaucracy and frankly I never would. In this business you ensure you have oversight, constant referral back every week – what’s going wrong, what’s going right.”

Asked why he didn’t speak publicly at the time, he said if he you wanted to win an argument in an organisation, you work with people behind closed doors. But there was no harm in outlining the facts respectively – and no one in the Cabinet, including the PM, could deny that he’d been pushing the case for the military and masks.

“We’re five months too late doing most of these things but we are doing them now. We finally got the army in, we finally got masks in.”

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/audio/winston-peters-fires-up-over-covid-claims-breaks-ranks-from-coalition-government/?fbclid=IwAR1r9lMfsWGvb6v3nm3bc3r0utIQq0wlRBJVT5VoCm_3eQ1EJHbFuQD9LB0

The Peters interview with Hosking this morning was very entertaining. Peters had asked for a right of reply after the allegation from Hosking yesterday that Peters is trying to be wise after the event on the Government’s Covid response, but he wasn’t at all convincing.

Personally, I think this is one election campaign too many for Peters; he’s certainly struggling to justify his silence in March and April. He was always going to try and put distance between himself and Labour before the election, but Covid came at the wrong time for him, and whether he likes it or not, the doctrine of collective Cabinet responsibility binds NZF to all decisions made by the Government, whether he agreed with them or not.

Winston Peters c2020 is a pale shadow even of the Winston Peters of three years ago. The tide has gone out on NZ First, and it won’t be coming back in before 17th October.
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September 4, 2020 9:48am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Even if true…there is a saying that applies
  Winnie you’re
  A day late and a dollar short.
  Integrity and principles are not things you can convince us, that you have.
  The whole CoL, including you, have forgotten, you are in the house of representatives to…represent us the citizens, not to put any pety political deals ahead of the NZ citizens.
  
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  September 4, 2020 10:01am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  I think that court case last November may have taken a lot more out of Winston than any of us thought it would.
  
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  September 4, 2020 10:06am
- greybeard
  
  Peters lost the plot with Hosking and all his anti-National rage came out.
  Peters, like a lot of his fellow men, has tried here to rewrite history with his claims.
  
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  September 4, 2020 12:39pm
  - DeepBlue
    
    Doesn’t seem to be any chance he would side with National, if we were in doubt. No wonder Labour are not being helpful to Shane in Northland.
    
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    September 4, 2020 2:20pm
RW Capitalist

I have made many comparisons with Lenin and Goebbels when it come to Jacinda’s modus operandi.
But here is a different angle.

Politics have no relation to morals
Niccolò Machiavelli

“The first method for estimating the intelligence of a ruler is to look at the men he has around him.”
― Niccolò Machiavelli, The Prince

“Never attempt to win by force what can be won by deception.”
― Niccolò Machiavelli, The Prince

“…he who seeks to deceive will always find someone who will allow himself to be deceived.”
― Machiavelli Niccolo, The Prince
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September 4, 2020 9:56am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I’m always reminded of Paul’s Letter to the Corinthians when I think of Jacinda “the great Communicator”…
  
  Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners
  
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  September 4, 2020 11:12am
freemark

For some reason the Green Party ads/vote begs hit my FB feed. The comments overwhelmingly against them are hilarious and hopefully an indication of election result.
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September 4, 2020 10:02am
- Nermal
  
  My FB friends are a fair cross section. So why are the only political adverts being posted coming from the left?
  
  Never mind, I’ll hear from them again when their 3 month snooze is over
  
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  September 4, 2020 12:50pm
Cassandra

If he was so right 5 months ago and the Labour part of the Cabinet so wrong than he should have resigned then. After the event is too late. He was and is the Deputy PM FHS. H = F if you prefer.
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September 4, 2020 10:05am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Language is everything, but I prefer the emphasis that the swear word brings.
  
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  September 4, 2020 10:29am
Chris R

It can be surprising what a few late afternoon whiskies can do for conversation. Yesterday I drank a decent bottle of Scotch with a couple of mates and this scenario emerged…National and Labour both on circa 44%, Greens gone (YES!!!!) and Winston gone (YES!!!!) leaving ACT the balance (YES!!!!) Both Labour and National could form a government with ACT. If I were David Seymour his better course would be not to go into a coalition but offer supply and demand co-operation to National. However if he went into this arrangement with Labour it would stifle them and make them impotent for the next three years and beyond with their power to squander our $$$$ taken from them. ACT could continue to grow as a party rather than disappear into National. Thoughts???
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September 4, 2020 10:07am
- barnacle bill
  
  @ Chris R
  
  That ramble makes it sound as though you haven’t sobered up yet Chris.
  
  Hope you ain’t got to many bottles of Whisky left.
  
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  September 4, 2020 10:41am
  - Swifty
    
    Ah, it’s Backpeddling Bill back for biffo.
    
    Found those links yet? Or do you concede you bullshitted Bill?
    
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    September 4, 2020 11:43am
I remember when

HB Today:
“Larry Dallimore:An alternative view of erosion on Napier’s northern beaches.”
Very interesting article on the HB Today website.
Larry Dallimore has devoted a lot of his time, many years, to the Napier area beach erosion problems.
A must read if interested.
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September 4, 2020 10:08am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503462&objectid=12361987
  
  Always handy to blame climate change for every aspect of bad planning or unintended consequences from harbour development.
  
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  September 4, 2020 11:04am
rangitoto

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/middle-east/1599108739-bahrain-to-normalize-ties-with-israel-in-nearest-future-report

Looks like another outbreak of peace about to happen thanks to Donald Trump. The only person of the last twenty years who actually deserves a Nobel Peace Prize.
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September 4, 2020 10:11am
- alloytoo
  
  I’ve started following the Rubin Report.
  
  Dave Rubin took August off without news and played two truths and a lie as part of his catch up.
  
  On of the truths was “Trump brought peace to the Middle East”
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0VNVMCf8sA
  
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  September 4, 2020 11:00am
- Batman
  
  Nothing to do with Donald Trump, the immediate interests of Bahrain and Israel dictate this normalisation.
  
  He’s the coffee boy on the edge of the room in this situation.
  
  Amusing to watch Pompeo and the Trump Admin trying to cash on in the deal for an electoral benefit.
  
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  September 4, 2020 11:18am
  - Cinematic
    
    You’re on fire today. Is there anything you don’t know? Anything?
    
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    September 4, 2020 5:05pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  That seems a little harsh on individuals like Kim Dae-jung, Jimmy Carter, Muhammad Yunus, Mohamed ElBaradei, Liu Xiaobo, Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf and Malala Yousafzai, and organisations such as the European Union, the Organisation for the Prevention of Chemical Warfare, the International Campaign to Abolish Nuclear Weapons, International Atomic Energy Agency or the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
  
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  September 4, 2020 11:21am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    You missed out Yasser Arafat.
    
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    September 4, 2020 1:00pm
Jack5

The glamour side of the pandemic.

Wuhan flu masks encrusted with diamonds and pearls, and a businessman in India has one of solid gold. It’s worth about $NZ6000.

What’s happening with fashion masks in NZ? Some home sewers have been making “evening masks”. These go over normal masks. One home dressmaker uses lace-like mesh embellished with flowers.

https://www.scmp.com/magazines/style/luxury/article/3095824/ariana-grande-and-lady-gaga-sport-blinging-face-masks
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September 4, 2020 10:25am
Jack5

More bullshit as Maori up the ante on opposing a cap on the number of Maori and ethnic Pacific Islanders who get into Otago University Medical School on lower marks than other students.

An academic behind the low-marks entry for these minorities is reported as saying there had been “no input from Maori” on imposing a cap on the low-marks entry numbers.

There’s been plenty of public dicsussion on this.

Peter Crampton, the academic is reported as saying:

“Maori and Pacific leadership voices have been completely absent from the discussion so far and there is an urgent need to draw those voices in formally, both from a treaty perspective but also from an expertise perspective.”

Their views haven’t been absent from State radio’s web and broadcasts. Given the growing link between State radio and surviving newspapers, the views have likely featured in print, too.

The report says Crampton is university is incredibly proud of Otago’s Mirror on present policy, which aims to create a health workforce that reflects New Zealand’s diverse communities, particularly Maori and ethnic Pacific Islanders.

Asians are doing well in the NZ medical profession without being allowed entry with lower marks.

Rephrase the policy and it’s racist: white and Asian students must have higher marks to gain entry to Medical School.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/425211/otago-medical-school-admission-cap-debate-it-has-come-a-bit-out-of-the-blue
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September 4, 2020 10:39am
Maggie Pie

As the group will be aware, I’m not normally given to swearing.
But as I drove out of Wilson Parking this morning, I thort to myself …. “What a pack of thieving [del.]”

Just saying.
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September 4, 2020 10:39am
- Jack5
  
  Maggie, just dream of being in a tank or armoured personnel and being able to crash through the barrier arm.
  
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  September 4, 2020 10:45am
  - sooty
    
    Along with run over their bloody money box!
    
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    September 4, 2020 1:25pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Jacinda Ardern misleading the country AGAIN

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300099165/unicef-report-is-accurate-and-rigorously-checked-coauthor-says
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September 4, 2020 10:58am
- alloytoo
  
  “On Thursday, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said the data used in the report described a period of time under the previous National Government. She also pointed out parts of the report where data was missing.”
  
  So Ardern is saying it’s gotten worse since the report data was collected?
  
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  September 4, 2020 11:02am
  - Ruawai
    
    “godden” not ‘Gotten
    
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    September 4, 2020 1:16pm
- Batman
  
  Guys, we all spent years mocking these reports so it’s a bit hard to now say they are great and true in order to have a crack at the current government!
  
  The reports have always been shit and remain so.
  
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  September 4, 2020 11:20am
Batman

RuSsIaN InTeRfErEnCe WaS A hOaX nNd MaDe Up By ThE lEfT aNd ThE mEdIa!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/world/300099322/i-was-part-of-a-russian-meddling-campaign
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September 4, 2020 11:22am
- Critical Thinker
  
  I am shook! ?
  
  Of course many countries interfere with the US elections. So it’s no surprise that Russia did.
  
  But we now know that there was no collusion between Trump and Russia:
  https://dailycaller.com/2020/08/18/senate-intelligence-steele-dossier-collusion-trump-russia/
  
  The UK Interfered with the 2016 US Election More Than Russia
  
  Based on information to date, the UK had more to do with interfering with the US 2016 Presidential election than Russia. The Obama team and the Clinton campaign spied on the Trump team and used the entire government apparatus, including the CIA, FBI, the DOJ and others, to do so.
  It appears, they also had help from the UK.
  These crooks were willing to risk World War III with Russia rather than face a Trump Presidency. This all leads to the question – What is so damn damning that these many individuals would go to such brazen lengths to remove President Trump from office?
  This is clearly 100 times worse than Watergate!
  https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/08/new-evidence-provides-additional-support-that-the-uk-interfered-with-the-2016-us-election-more-than-russia/
  
  #TREASON
  
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  September 4, 2020 11:57am
  - Batman
    
    Nice conspiracy fairytale. Enjoy your far-right media bubble.
    
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    September 4, 2020 12:33pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Do you ever have comments deleted by a mod Batman?
      
      Often you are far more abusive than I have ever been.
      
      Asking for a friend ….
      
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      September 4, 2020 9:28pm
  - virtualmark
    
    Less than 4 weeks ago the US Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, **led by a Republican**, published a 966 page report that clearly details the collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russian intelligence services, oligarchs and organised crime in 2016.
    
    So your “no collision between Trump and Russia” is a complete lie.
    
    Trump has been in Russia’s pocket for over 20 years. He is owned by them. He has been doing their bidding for the last 4 years.
    
    Even today the DHS released a paper saying the two key areas of Russian disinformation right now are:
    1) Casting aspersions on mail-in voting, and
    2) that Biden is senile.
    
    Gee, who else is saying those things? Cui bono?
    
    You are either a witting or an unwitting tool of Russian intelligence.
    
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    September 4, 2020 12:56pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      YOURE A LIAR
      https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/aug/18/senate-intelligence-cmte-no-collusion-trump-russia/
      ‘The Senate Select Committee on Intelligence found no evidence that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia to influence the 2016 presidential election, but campaign members’ frequent contact with people linked to the Kremlin raised counterintelligence concerns, according to a bipartisan report released Tuesday.’
      https://dailycaller.com/2020/08/18/senate-intelligence-steele-dossier-collusion-trump-russia/
      ‘The Senate Intelligence Committee said that the special counsel’s office refused to provide information regarding the Steele dossier, and that the author of the salacious document “repeatedly” refused requests for an interview.
      In a long-awaited report released on Tuesday, the Senate panel affirmed previous findings that there was no evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. It also blasted the FBI’s handling of information from Christopher Steele.
      The report says that the FBI gave “unjustified credence” to information from Steele.
      The Senate Intelligence Committee said in a long-awaited report released Tuesday that there was no evidence that the Trump campaign conspired with the Russian government to influence the 2016, affirming the findings of other investigations into a possible Trump-Kremlin conspiracy.
      
      The report, which clocks in at 966 pages, also offered a scathing assessment of the FBI’s handling of the Steele dossier, which was a key document in the Trump-Russia collusion conspiracy theory.
      
      “The FBI gave the Steele Dossier unjustified credence, based on an incomplete understanding of Steele’s past reporting record,” the report says.’
      
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      September 4, 2020 1:43pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Sigh.
        
        Have you read the report Red? No, didn’t think so. Just relied on Ted Cruz’s diversions and dissembling.
        
        How about two simple examples.
        
        1. After pages and pages of detailing the unusual and compromising connections between Sergei Millian and the Trump campaign the report says “The Committee notes that much about Sergei Millian resembles activities by a Russian intelligence officer”.
        
        2. After pages and pages of detailing the unusual and frankly treasonous connections between Paul Manafort and Kilimnick and the GRU the report says “This is what collusion looks like.”
        
        Trump. Is. A. Russian. Asset.
        
        Your continued denial of that just makes me suspect that you too are a Russian tool.
        
        Dos vedanya.
        
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        September 4, 2020 1:52pm
- Fletch
  
  And who was president during that time? And vice president? Nothing to do with Trump.
  
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  September 4, 2020 12:19pm
  - Batman
    
    That administration investigated it and put sanctions in place… sanctions which Mike Flynn told the Russian ambassador the Trump admin would lift so please don’t retaliate.
    
    Derp.
    
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    September 4, 2020 12:32pm
  - virtualmark
    
    Fletch,
    
    Obama is a smart guy, but too timid. He should have gone public in 2016 with what they knew was happening.
    
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    September 4, 2020 12:57pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  The weird thing here is that it seems none of those articles were hoaxes. At worst, they were just a biased view with the intent of pushing people towards a specific viewpoint.
  How is that any different to FOX, CNN, BBC etc?
  
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  September 4, 2020 1:42pm
Maggie Pie

And another thing. Over the last few days, I really thort Kerry Woodham had turned turned over a new leaf. She actually raised a number of subjects that most listeners would be interested in.
Sadly not. All morning, she’s been banging on about people with autism.

Back to Peter Williams.
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September 4, 2020 11:24am
- kowtow
  
  Williams is great, a real gent. Plunket , not so much.
  
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  September 4, 2020 12:10pm
dave_c_

Never cease to be amazed at the deceptions – There was no up front indication that the government could and would, pull any number out of the ether, and call them new levels for covid scam purposes.
Level 1, 1.1, 1.2, 1.5, 2, 2.1, 2.5 . . . .
And also at the same time manipulate the contents of each or any of these theoretical nonsense categories at the flick of a pen.
Arseholes the lot of them
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September 4, 2020 12:10pm
Inandout

Once there were Trekkers…
https://trends.gab.com/trend-feed/5f5113001852e24a8c211d6c
Going where no transgender has gone before.
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September 4, 2020 12:28pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Yawn. There are so many on Netflix now that it’s becoming ridiculous. More political than entertaining.
  
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  September 4, 2020 3:04pm
  - Inandout
    
    CL, the Obamas are ‘advisers’ to Netflix.
    
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    September 4, 2020 4:12pm
Maggie Pie

A bestie Tweets. Am I missing something here?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eg-Zp45VoAIzRjv?format=jpg&name=small
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September 4, 2020 12:34pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, as there are no words containing the letter ‘t’ the ditty is designed for Jacinda.
  
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  September 4, 2020 4:14pm
virtualmark

Trump is speaking in Pennsylvania today, and it’s manic Trump today.

Pro tip: Manic Trump is always covered in sweat. It’s because of the Adderall he snorted before going to the lectern.

All you Trump lovers should read the book “Blitzed”, by Norman Ohler … the parallels are way too easy to draw.
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September 4, 2020 12:49pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Considering he doesn’t even drink alcohol, I find that hard to believe. Instead you try standing on stage performing for hours in an exciting setting, under hot lights, wearing a suit.
  
  Then come back with your sweat report…
  
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  September 4, 2020 3:07pm
Batman

Classy.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-americans-who-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997/

“Trump rejected the idea of the visit because he feared his hair would become disheveled in the rain, and because he did not believe it important to honor American war dead, according to four people with firsthand knowledge of the discussion that day. In a conversation with senior staff members on the morning of the scheduled visit, Trump said, “Why should I go to that cemetery? It’s filled with losers.” In a separate conversation on the same trip, Trump referred to the more than 1,800 marines who lost their lives at Belleau Wood as “suckers” for getting killed.”
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September 4, 2020 1:03pm
- virtualmark
  
  Everything about that article is consistent with Trump’s statements and actions over his entire lifetime. He is a malignant narcissist who sees life as transactional, and will not do anything if there is no personal benefit for him.
  
  Batman, I’m interested to see whether George W Bush gives an endorsement in this election. I could see him endorsing Biden, and a Bush endorsement like that would likely take 2%-3% off Trump’s overall vote and would put Texas firmly in play. If I were George W and planning that sort of move I’d be timing it for mid to late October.
  
  Also, Batman, all the best with the Covid-19 fella. Tough break. Looking forward to your next movie.
  
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  September 4, 2020 1:18pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    The shit you two believe
    So funny
    Lol
    
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    September 4, 2020 1:37pm
    - virtualmark
      
      Tell what I believe Red.
      
      I believe that Trump will be seen as the worst ever President. That history will show he had neither the intelligence, the morals or the temperament to be a suitable President. And that history will show he was hopelessly compromised by Russia but also by Israel, Saudi and the UAE.
      
      And I believe that we will remember all the misfit toys who supported him.
      
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      September 4, 2020 1:56pm
      - Critical Thinker
        
        Haha! I’m surprised that you didn’t include China and Iran in that grand alliance ?
        
        Now just imagine if Trump had done this ?
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNGX2qN1yBQ
        https://youtu.be/MNxEDomUlXw?t=2
        
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        September 4, 2020 3:57pm
      - virtualmark
        
        “In late 2015, convicted pedophile, international dealmaker, and cooperating witness in Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation George Nader convened a secret meeting aboard a massive luxury yacht in the Red Sea. Nader pitched Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, Emirati Crown Prince Mohammed bin Zayed, Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi and other Middle Eastern leaders a plan for a new pro-U.S., pro-Israel alliance of Arab nations that would fundamentally alter the geopolitics of the Middle East while marginalizing Iran, Qatar, and Turkey. To succeed, the plan would need a highly placed American politician willing to drop sanctions on Russia so that Vladimir Putin would in turn agree to end his support for Iran. They agreed the perfect American partner was Donald Trump, who had benefited immensely from his Saudi, Emirati, and Russian dealings for many years, and who, in 2015, became the only U.S. presidential candidate to argue for a unilateral end to Russian sanctions and a far more hostile approach to Iran.”
        
        Might be a bit too challenging for you Trumpanzees to believe, but I recommend getting the Senate SCI report and searching for words like Zamel, Nader, Erik Prince or Psy Group.
        
        And note that the book that excerpt above comes from has 378 pages (!) of endnotes detailing where each fact came from.
        
        Interesting too that the UAE and Israel just signed a peace agreement no?
        
        China doesn’t need to collude with the Trumps, they just buy them off (via trademarks and patents).
        
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        September 4, 2020 4:36pm
      - marcw
        
        So, did ” Vladimir Putin would in turn agree to end his support for Iran.” Not that I know of.
        
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        September 4, 2020 5:13pm
  - Critical Thinker
    
    Trump has been very consistent throughout his entire life, which is shown in this video:
    https://youtu.be/nAgJAxkALyc?t=8
    
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    September 4, 2020 2:54pm
- virtualmark
  
  https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/08/31/as-trumps-popularity-slips-in-latest-military-times-poll-more-troops-say-theyll-vote-for-biden/
  
  And that was before today’s Atlantic article. Which has subsequently been confirmed by AP.
  
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  September 4, 2020 2:21pm
- Inandout
  
  Must be getting close to the US election. Now, what is the latest on Biden & Son’s Chinese foray?
  
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  September 4, 2020 2:25pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Provide Link to video of him saying these things. Msm reports on Trump are seldom correct.
  
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  September 4, 2020 3:09pm
Ruawai

FFS controlled for another 12 days, the only hope is this extension loses JA and Labour party the election.
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September 4, 2020 1:13pm
- hullkiwi
  
  Ruawai, 2 trains of thought, based on JA taking a political gamble.
  
  1. With the lockdowns and L2 restrictions, JA is screwing up Judith Collins and the National Party campaign, particularly National’s launch. Given the others will have been so long ago by election day, who cares?
  2. The team of 5 million, recent anecdotal evidence suggests it is fraying at the edges or is broken, so JA is trying to preserve what support she has by protecting the rest of NZ from Auckland (still the smaller proportion of the 5 mill). But will the divide and conquer strategy work?
  
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  September 4, 2020 2:56pm
  - virtualmark
    
    hullkiwi,
    
    I suspect that if allowing Aucklanders to travel leads to even a single Covid-19 case outside of Auckland then Labour will take a huge dent in the polls.
    
    Seems to me allowing Aucklanders to travel was a political move to keep Labour’s support in Auckland. But it could still yet backfire badly with the other 2/3rds of the country.
    
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    September 4, 2020 4:43pm
- TWEEDSE
  
  Means Jacks gets to force postponement of Nationals campaign launch.
  
  Smothering us in kindness.
  
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  September 4, 2020 3:33pm
gorse

Ruawai, I hope you are correct. Why is the South Island under level two? There hasn’t been a case down here for months. Roll on the election.
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September 4, 2020 1:37pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Why is the EastCoast under Level 2?
  We had 2 positive cases sometime back in March.
  
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  September 4, 2020 2:19pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    Because the ethnic population of your region is at risk of catching Covid and will die.
    
    According to the research, so we are informed. Maggy, if you think East Cape is doing it tough, think about Northland!
    
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    September 4, 2020 2:50pm
    - Ruawai
      
      Just 50% will die according to Hendy and his study.
      
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      September 4, 2020 9:23pm
- Garbageman
  
  Why you ask maybe because the floodgates have opened and plane loads of people are flocking down this way and of course Ardern would not like the flak if she only imposed the restrictions on Auckland, what you need foremost in your mind is that almost everything this clown show does is to protect her image their livelihood depends on her otherwise it’s back to 20% for the lying scum
  
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  September 4, 2020 2:34pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

What is it with the left and their lies and hypocrisy?
Liz Wheeler, OAN. Rules for thee, by not for me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLcPjCSjzKQ
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September 4, 2020 2:17pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Tantrums by brats. I said this would happen 30 years ago.
https://www.facebook.com/theconservativeronin/posts/116635740160023
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September 4, 2020 2:20pm
- Inandout
  
  SO, I wonder how many points lay there?
  
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  September 4, 2020 2:27pm
Maggy Wassilieff

oh FFS!!!!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/122667452/judith-collins-defends-allowing-baby-to-suck-her-hand-younger-people-very-seldom-get-covid19

Some harpy has got upset that even a baby can see that Judith is Yummy!
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September 4, 2020 2:27pm
Maggy Wassilieff

White Jewish Woman pretends to be African American
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2020/09/white-us-african-american-history-expert-admits-pretending-to-be-black-for-years.html
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September 4, 2020 2:34pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Some ‘friends’, dumping her just when she’s coming out!
  
  Identity politics absolutely suck.
  
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  September 4, 2020 3:34pm
RW Capitalist

Pandemic plan finished and released 1 month before 2017 election ( know it’s long)
Q: why did SLG not follow any of it in January 2020?
excerpt
https://www.health.govt.nz/publication/new-zealand-influenza-pandemic-plan-framework-action
Date of release Aug. 2017 (just before the election)
intro
The New Zealand Influenza Pandemic Plan: A framework for action (NZIPAP) is based on an established strategy to deal with outbreaks of infectious disease, and forms part of the National Health Emergency Plan. The purpose of this document is to outline the all-of-government measures that will be considered in response to an influenza pandemic and to provide an overview of the activities that are being undertaken to ensure New Zealand is adequately prepared for an influenza pandemic.
P120
Border management
In a potential or actual global pandemic, New Zealand may be able to prevent the virus from entering the country or to delay its entry, allowing other response measures to be put in place (during the Keep It Out phase). Such an intervention may be feasible because of New Zealand’s geographical isolation, its limited number of entry points and its well-coordinated border management systems. In the Keep It Out phase routine public health risk management procedures at the border could be elevated, according to the development of the global situation. Elevated measures may include increasing information to arriving passengers, providing travel advisories, closing the border to certain categories of arrival or imposing mandatory quarantine for categories of arrivals.

There is value in trying to keep the virus out, or to at least delay the arrival of the virus, to allow time for virus attenuation and reduce the time the virus is in the country before a pandemic vaccine for it becomes available. Effective border management is the best way to protect New Zealanders from the effects of a future pandemic.
Table 8: Overview of possible border management actions and powers to inform key decisions
Possible actions Responsibility Legislation Further information from NZIPAP 2010
All ships and aircraft arriving in New Zealand from overseas are liable for quarantine, and must receive pratique in order to commence operations in New Zealand. All aircraft arriving in New Zealand, after landing, require pratique to disembark and commence operations. Airlines and shipping operators, PHUs Health Act 1956, section 107; Health (Quarantine) Regulations 1983 Part A, Intersectoral Response, Border work stream
Part B, all phases, ‘Public health interventions: border management’
Masters of ships arriving in New Zealand must inform health authorities of the health status of those on board their vessels before arrival. On arrival, vessels must also submit a Maritime Declaration of Health to officials. Public health authorities either grant pratique or arrange to meet the vessel on arrival based on the health status reports. Shipping operators Health (Quarantine) Regulations 1983 Part A, Intersectoral Response, Border work stream
Part B, all phases, ‘Public health interventions: border management’
Captains of aircraft must report to their agents the health status of all people on board at least 15 minutes before landing in New Zealand. Any sign of illness among passengers and crew and any unsanitary conditions on board the aircraft must be reported to health authorities by the airline’s agent. Pratique is deemed to have been granted unless there has been a report of illness or unsanitary conditions on board. Airlines and airline agents Health (Quarantine) Regulations 1983 Part A, Intersectoral Response, Border work stream
Part B, all phases, ‘Public health interventions: border management’
Public health authorities grant pratique after meeting any craft that has reported illness after satisfying themselves that no cases of quarantinable diseases are on board the craft, and have ensured that any public health risks are managed. Aircraft landing at airports not served by the New Zealand Customs Service are notified to Public Health Units and where illness has been reported must be met on arrival so public health risks can be assessed and, where appropriate, pratique granted. Public health units are responsible for ensuring all New Zealand international airports have procedures for managing the public health risks around the arrival of unwell passengers. PHUs Health (Quarantine) Regulations 1983 Part A, Intersectoral Response, Border work stream
Part B, all phases, ‘Public health interventions: border management’
Consider the use of enhanced quarantine the quarantining of large numbers of people in the absence of symptomatic people but where there is good reason to believe those people may have been exposed to pandemic influenza, due to where they have travelled) as a pandemic management measure. If enhanced quarantine is to be used locate larger quarantine facilities. Ministry of (ie, Health, PHUs within DHBs in consultation with other relevant agencies Health (Quarantine) Regulations 1983 Part A, Intersectoral Response, Border work stream
Part B, all phases, ‘Public health interventions: border management’
Consider pre-arrival risk-profiling efficacy and methodology (eg, mining passenger name record data) and determination of escalation/relaxation trigger points (based on modelling of phases). Ministry of Health in consultation with relevant agencies No powers required Part A, Intersectoral Response, Border work stream
Consider the use of, and triggers for, exit assessment procedures, and the determination of such procedures and required authority. Ministry of Health in consultation with relevant agencies No powers required Part A, Intersectoral Response, Border work stream
Review existing plans and prepare for the eventual roll out of contact-tracing information management – collected from World Health Organization passenger locator forms, which will require additional information (via passenger arrival forms) to be given to passengers to comply with New Zealand privacy legislation. Ministry of Health in consultation with relevant agencies Customs and Excise Act 1996, section 282A Part A, Intersectoral Response, Border work stream
Routine border health reporting from masters of vessels and captains of aircraft. Airlines and maritime operators Health (Quarantine) Regulations 1983 Part A, Intersectoral Response, Border work stream
Public health units work with airports of first arrival to ensure all reports of illness on board incoming aircraft are reported to and responded to by public health units. Ministry of Health, District Health Boards (DHBs) and their public health units No powers required Part A, Intersectoral Response Border work stream
Part B all phases, public health interventions border management
When the threat of a pandemic exists, Airlines may be informed of symptoms of particular concern, and reminded of the statutory requirement that all symptoms suggestive of infectious disease be reported to the destination airport before the craft’s arrival. Ministry of Health, DHBs and PHUs No powers required Part A, Intersectoral Response, Border work stream
Aircraft: If symptoms are reported that give rise to suspicion of a quarantinable disease, the plane, its passengers and its crew can be detained for inspection. PHUs Health Act 1956, sections 97B and 101 Part A, Intersectoral Response, Border work stream
Ships: Masters of ships must seek radio pratique from a medical officer of health or health protection officer between 12 and 24 hours before their expected arrival. The medical officer of health or health protection officer may withhold pratique if not satisfied of the state of health of the ship.
If radio pratique is withheld, the ship may not berth and people cannot leave or board the ship without the medical officer of health’s or health protection officer’s authority, and before the ship has been inspected. Master of ship, medical officer of health, health protection officer Health Act 1956 sections 97B, 99, 101 Part A, Intersectoral Response, Border work stream
Part B, all phases, ‘Public health interventions: border management’
Post border: If illness is reported, depending on the symptoms reported health authorities can arrange for ill people to be met, and (if they are extremely unwell or meet the case definition and exposure risk factors for pandemic influenza) transported to a hospital or other designated facility. Airlines and shipping agents (for reporting), PHUs No powers required Part A, Intersectoral Response, Border work stream
Part B, all phases, ‘Public health interventions: border management
The medical officer of health can examine any person suspected of suffering from, or having been exposed to in the past six days, a quarantinable disease. Medical officer of health Health (Quarantine) Regulations 1983, regulation 22 Part A, Intersectoral Response, Border work stream
The medical officer of health has the general power to detain and isolate any person who he or she believes is likely to cause the spread of an infectious disease. Medical officer of health Health Act 1956, section 79 Part C, Legislation
If authorised by the Minister of Health, or if an emergency has been declared under the Civil Defence Emergency Management Act 2002, a medical officer of health can require people to submit to medical examinations and isolate or quarantine them as he or she sees fit. Medical officer of health Epidemic Preparedness Act 2006; Civil Defence Emergency Management Act 2002; Health Act 1956, section 70(1) (e), (ea), (f) and (fa) Part C, Legislation
Ensure the emergency department (or other facility) is advised of the case being transported. Public health units No power required
The family or travel group (due to the possibility of infection from a common source) and those travelling near the ill person are identified. Contact-tracing information is requested; people are given information on hygiene and reminded to report illness if they fall ill after travel; people are told to call their general practitioner if they have symptoms of respiratory disease, and are invited to report to a public health service in 24 hours to find out the results of the diagnosis of the sick person. New Zealand Customs Service(advanced passenger information), public health units, airport authorities Customs and Excise Act 1996 Part A: Intersectoral Response, Border work stream
Grant pratique to the craft once the public health risk has been managed. Public health units Health Act 1956, section 107
Consider the use of the following public health control interventions when required may be appropriate:
• enhanced quarantine of arrivals
• pre-arrival risk-profiling
• exit assessments
• contract-tracing information management through World Health Organization WHO passenger locator forms
• update ensuring air and shipping lines and ports are kept up to date in terms of their reporting requirements. Ministry of Health, PHUs, border agencies Part A, Intersectoral Response, Border work stream
Part C, Legislation
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September 4, 2020 3:19pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

YouTube Censoring. You have no freedom if YouTube says you have your opinion is different.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGxbaxviRVw&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR0uzLpWV62q6FdwZtcQv5bTbUCGnnAhBkU2bdhK_XdIwoN7MdnRyukK0lw
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September 4, 2020 4:21pm
Bobba Fret

Oh dear. We have another Covid 19 death.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/auckland-covid-19-patient-dies-in-hospital/ar-BB18HaQS?ocid=spartanntp
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September 4, 2020 5:08pm
- Cinematic
  
  There were a bunch of other deaths today. Not with Covid but just as preventable. When will Bloomfield be addressing those deaths?
  
  Or are they less important deaths? If so, how so?
  
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  September 4, 2020 6:32pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    There were a bunch of other deaths today. Not with Covid but just as preventable. When will Bloomfield and Ardern be addressing those deaths?
    
    Or are they less important deaths? If so, how so?
    Fixed it for ya.
    After all, it’s her incompetent reaction to this and blanket refusal to use an already thought out response in 2017, reviewed by experts and produced by the previous (rock star) govt. Or perhaps thats the problem, the 9 long years mantra doesn’t fit when you understand that the previous National govt had already supplied the response, she wanted to claim all the kudos, except people died.
    
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    September 4, 2020 7:00pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  She can stack them up next to 80 Samoans of measles and 2 teenagers of meningitis.
  
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  September 4, 2020 7:01pm
- Alex13
  
  Yes, a man in his 50s. This damned chinese virus is quite pernicious.
  
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  September 4, 2020 11:09pm
igm

Where is our Opposition standing on preferential hospital waiting lists for Maori/PI?
This disgusting abuse of power by the left must be taken seriously and addressed sensibly.
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September 4, 2020 5:25pm
canfel

Interesting situation with a friend in Australia, Went over there for winter before 26th march, Does this every year to visit son.. Is a pensioner and had a flight booked to get back to NZ, Air NZ has cancelled the flight and earliest flights are next year, His pension will be cut off on 20th Oct. Interesting situation… should be a few in the same situation..
https://www.workandincome.govt.nz/covid-19/stranded-overseas.html#null
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