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wimpston peeeders

do rioting BLM muppets think because charcoal and burnt stuff is black that it represents their cause?

I dont understand how burning caryards and multiple other businesses portrays a message against police brutatily/shootings of blacks.
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August 29, 2020 8:00am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  “Systemic racism” is just an excuse for lawlessness. Pure and simple.
  
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  August 29, 2020 9:07am
  - wimpston peeeders
    
    its just straight low life thugery. looking at footage the blacks are a minority in the latest riots it seems mainly white kids/late teens doin the damage.
    
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    August 29, 2020 9:25am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      I was in London in 1983.
      The Brixton riots were in 1981.
      You could still buy looted stuff across the bar, in almost any pub south of the river.
      (Worked in a couple of pubs south of the river.)
      
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      August 29, 2020 11:50am
    - IC5000
      
      > looking at footage the blacks are a minority in the latest riots it seems mainly white kids/late teens doin the damage.
      
      You’d better tell Gandhi that white people commit crimes as well lol.
      
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      August 29, 2020 4:30pm
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        “looking at footage the blacks are a minority in the LATEST riots it seems mainly white kids/late teens doing the damage”
        
        “You’d better tell Gandhi that white people commit crimes as well lol.”
        
        I understand that you must necessarily propose a straw man argument in order to approach even the appearance of effectively rebutting anything I have ever said, but I have never claimed that white people don’t commit crimes, nor that the recent riots have been perpetrated exclusively by blacks. I welcome any evidence that I have.
        
        My argument has always been that blacks disproportionately commit violent crimes in the US, and that blacks have been rioting and looting en masse since George Floyd died. These statements both align with the facts.
        
        You are welcome to your own opinions, but not your own facts:
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Crime_statistics
        
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        August 29, 2020 5:17pm
  - Gravelroad
    
    Ok, so read this and ponder on the defence counsel’s suggestion that “A discount (to the sentence) should be available for her cultural background.”
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/122594602/man-stabbed-with-broken-bottle-after-trying-to-stop-shoplifters
    I thought all us in the “team of 5million” were signed up to the same laws in this country?
    But now it seems that “cultural background” needs to be assessed as an excuse for law breaking.
    Next time I steal alcohol from a tavern and shoplift some mixers from the supermarket to go with it – then stab a joker in the car park – my excuse is going to be my cultural background. Why not?
    
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    August 29, 2020 9:30am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      Typical
      
      “Aw my life was tough, I have made nothing but bad choices, but I am Brown, therefore you can’t expect me to be accountable for my behaviour, or even to behave like a human being”
      
      DC Judge: “Quite right. Here have a discounted sentence to reflect how mean society has been to you”
      
      I loved that she had been “mostly passive”
      
      Is that the same as “mostly peaceful?”
      
      “Apart from that Mr Lincoln, how was the play”?
      
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      August 29, 2020 9:56am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        and yet, I had a friend in Porirua (lost touch since my wife became ill).
        Circumstance
        She is Samoan
        Married
        4 kids
        lives in a modest house
        Church going
        
        Life style
        Lives modestly
        makes those lovely pineapple dumpling (maybe the reason we were friends), which she sells at the market.
        Her , her kids and husband all work.
        they are NOT wealthy
        They have NEVER been in trouble with the law and the kids wouldn’t dare….Mothers wrath.
        Circumstance and race are just an excuse, decent people like this…live decent lives.
        
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        August 29, 2020 11:57am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    ‘Systemic racism” is just an excuse for lawlessness.’
    
    And a new flat screen tv
    
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    August 29, 2020 10:01am
    - Gravelroad
      
      Paulus- my skin is white, but if the law interpretations are going to swing down the “cultural background” pathway then that opens up some defence possibilities even for me.
      My grandmother’s family arrived here more than a century and a half ago having been dispossessed of their croft, stock and livelihood due to the Scottish Highlands Land clearances by the English.
      They came here with nothing and started again.
      So, can I use this as a defence if I commit a crime tomorrow?
      I think I would give it a try.
      
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      August 29, 2020 1:41pm
- amospicton
  
  The Dems are seen to sanction the violence and this will damage them in the election. Even amongst those in deprived areas the idea of weakening law and order is deeply worrying. Le Bron et al don’t seem to understand that their actions are helping Trump.
  
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  August 29, 2020 9:11am
  - tf78
    
    amos – trouble is the media aren’t showing it on the US news, so the average person will be unaware of what’s going on.
    
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    August 29, 2020 9:27am
    - amospicton
      
      They’ll notice when major league sport is off because the players are boycotting though.
      
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      August 29, 2020 9:49am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Means no sport on TV, so they are almost forced to watch politics, although that requires an IQ higher than room temperature (I mean Fahrenheit)
        
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        August 29, 2020 10:01am
    - Frank the tank
      
      No just the US media that we see in the NZ MSM. Ordinary Americans are well aware of the violence. All the battleground states are getting tighter and tighter – this plays into Trump’s hands. If a state is toss up going into the election chances are Trump wins because his supporters are more likely to vote.
      
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      August 29, 2020 3:53pm
  - Nickc2
    
    The Dems are playing games. How come Antifa and those behind the BLM Movement will cease all rioting, looting and killing if the Dems win the election? This has been stated!
    
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    August 29, 2020 10:08am
    - Gravelroad
      
      Exactly Nickc2.
      The left wingers, law breakers and unashamedly biased media are trying to hold the US to ransom.
      If Trump wins, their grievance and sense of entitlement will justify more damage to destroy their country – just like thwarted pre-schoolers.
      If Biden wins rioting, looting and violence will stop overnight – don’t think so.
      
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      August 29, 2020 1:26pm
- Catgurl13
  
  I think it’s because the rioting gets the attention they crave.
  
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  August 29, 2020 9:18am
  - igm
    
    They do not have the ability to get notice taken of them in any other way.
    
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    August 29, 2020 9:27am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Hence smartphones everywhere
    
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    August 29, 2020 10:01am
- kowtow
  
  If the criminal records of the guys shot by the 17 yr old are anything to go by , it’s nothing but an excuse for the criminal classes to loot and burn.
  
  With a compliant media and left political types giving them the cover of “protest” .
  
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  August 29, 2020 9:26am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  3 people who attacked that 17 year old were all ex convicts. Attracted to opportunity to get away with more crime.
  
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  August 29, 2020 9:40am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    And the guy he shot in the arm was clearly carrying a pistol and was likely about to shoot him first. Self-defence beyond doubt.
    
    https://twitter.com/JFNYC1/status/1299108606110035970
    
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    August 29, 2020 10:23am
- fisho
  
  They’re what Soros and his Marxist buddies would term useful idiots.
  
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  August 29, 2020 10:07am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    But they must first be motivated to riot at all.
    
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    August 29, 2020 10:36am
    - Critical Thinker
      
      Doesn’t take much to motivate them… ?
      
      BLM Crowds Riot and Loot Minneapolis Target Store After Man Shoots Himself
      https://news.yahoo.com/crowds-riot-loot-minneapolis-target-061450352.html
      
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      August 29, 2020 2:03pm
- Critical Thinker
  
  B urn
  L oot
  M urder
  
  “We are trained Marxists” – Founder of BLM
  
  Donations to BLM go to the corrupt Biden Presidential campaign.
  
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  August 29, 2020 10:42am
- Fletch
  
  As Columbia University historian Eric Foner said once, the KKK was the “military force serving the interests of the Democratic Party.” I believe BLM and its allies are serving the same function today.
  
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  August 29, 2020 11:20am
  - Batman
    
    The perfect perversion of history from you. Well done.
    
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    August 29, 2020 12:08pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      Oh and here’s our resident racist to tell us that the KKK are Republicans. Hey Batman, Senator Byrd, KKK Grand Kleagle (or some such rank), in the US Senate in the 2000’s was a member of the Republicans or the Democrats ? And George Wallace also running on a segregationist platform in 1972, ran as a what .
      
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      August 29, 2020 6:43pm
Maggie Pie

So, when is the next Poll due out?

Can’t be tooo far away i wouldn’t think…… LOL!!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgfNZvmVoAAx2pn?format=jpg&name=small
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August 29, 2020 8:07am
- Steve
  
  Thanks Maggie, I looked at that image and threw up my breakfast….. I owe you one.
  
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  August 29, 2020 8:09am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Will they publish her School Cert results…?
  
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  August 29, 2020 8:10am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    What School Cert results? I thought she was just given a Comms Deg from the university of diversity?
    
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    August 29, 2020 10:04am
- Mr_Blobby
  
  Let’s hope it does not panic labour into the need to instil more fear into the population.
  
  They need saint jacinda to save us and them.
  
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  August 29, 2020 8:12am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  Poor kid, being a political prop and all.
  
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  August 29, 2020 8:14am
  - tf78
    
    [Let’s lay off discussing the children here – there is slight tolerance, but you are going OTT. Mod]
    
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    August 29, 2020 9:29am
    - Greg Ettridge
      
      Who made the children “political fodder”?
      My personal opinion, looks like nothing is off the table to make a point and regain power.
      No, the children shouldn’t be in conversation, just looks like the leader and minders can’t see how perile their actions are, immaturity and lack of life experience I guess.
      
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      August 29, 2020 9:49am
    - igm
      
      John Key and his wife would have loved this respect when tolerating a biased press and many blogs.
      
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      August 29, 2020 9:51am
- wimpston peeeders
  
  my mate was polled yesterday, I was in histerics as he was stoned as and 1 of the questions was who would he pick in a 2 party prefered and he responded with “national and act” silly dude still dosent understand what it ment after I explained to him.
  
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  August 29, 2020 8:16am
- igm
  
  Like most taxpaying Kiwis pics such as this are getting hard to tolerate . . . who cares!
  
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  August 29, 2020 8:17am
- Nickc2
  
  Funny looking dressing gown to wear to the markets.
  
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  August 29, 2020 8:19am
  - calendar girl
    
    Our PM never misses an opportunity for a photo shoot.
    
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    August 29, 2020 4:31pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  I heard Read Research is polling now.
  
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  August 29, 2020 8:21am
- jaysper
  
  LOL!
  Don’t get too excited though.
  Malibu Cindy will still be able to govern alone.
  The best we can hope for is that neither Winston First nor the Greens make it back.
  That woman is the MOST DANGEROUS person in new Zealand and I am including the Christchurch shooter in that.
  Her insane decisions will cost far more lives than he ever could have.
  
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  August 29, 2020 8:37am
  - DeepBlue
    
    If she must be elected, then make it hers to govern alone and to be 100% responsible for every decision. Watch the great march to the centre then.
    
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    August 29, 2020 9:29am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    South Venezuela here we come
    
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    August 29, 2020 10:07am
- Lee C
  
  I think I’m going to be sick.
  
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  August 29, 2020 8:45am
- yossarian
  
  Hey some warning about clicking on links with child abuse images would be appreciated Maggie!
  
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  August 29, 2020 9:23am
- Catgurl13
  
  It’s just so naf to wear that when you aren’t even Maori. Along with giving your kid a Maori name that just screamed desperate. Cindy just doesn’t realise that doing these things doesn’t earn her any more points really. Seems she’s keeping very quiet about a certain land settlement?
  
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  August 29, 2020 9:25am
- Ruawai
  
  JA is like Trudeau dressing up in the outfit best suited for the outing, Maori, Muslim, Covid Dr etc
  
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  August 29, 2020 9:34am
  - septic skeptic
    
    They do say “if you can’t act the part, at least look the part”.
    
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    August 29, 2020 11:52am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    Trudeau loves to dress up:
    
    https://i2.wp.com/www.occidentaldissent.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/trudeau-blackface-2.jpg
    
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    August 29, 2020 1:23pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  I have the results of the next two polls already. If you want to know, here they are:
  
  One news: Labour: 59 National: 27 ACT: 5 Toxic Greens: 5 Rest of the crap: 4
  
  Three news: Labour: 63 National: 23 ACT: 5 Toxic Greens: 5 Rest of the crap: 4
  
  Nothing changes. Cindy is always a winner.
  
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  August 29, 2020 11:10am
  - hullkiwi
    
    …and the steeple are still stupid, like lambs to the slaughter.
    
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    August 29, 2020 1:30pm
mikenmildagain

Wishing you all a happy International Day Against Nuclear Tests.
And bests wishes to Christians celebrating the Decollation of John the Baptist.
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August 29, 2020 8:08am
Mr_Blobby

The words for today “junk science” for everything related to Chinese flu.

The question is have they done enough damage to the economy yet.

Or do they want to go again.
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August 29, 2020 8:08am
- Dave Mann
  
  They’re almost certain to go again. And then again.
  
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  August 29, 2020 9:43am
MT_Tinman

I notice all taxi drivers/ Uber crooks are required to wear masks under the dictatorship’s new decree.

If they could now give them all guns I wouldn’t feel so bad when paying the bastards.
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August 29, 2020 8:08am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Masks do not work, present number of health staff in Victoria infected are 449 and 58 new cases yesterday. these people are supposedly given the best masks and taught how to use them.
  The rest of the population are ordered to wear a mask, can be anything really from underpants through to a N95.
  Your typical Uber driver that is earning 2/5 of 5/8 of stuff all, do you really think he is going to change his mask every 4 hours in their 18 hour shift to make a crust, and do it correctly.
  What a childish perile world we live in.
  
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  August 29, 2020 10:05am
  - MT_Tinman
    
    Masks do not work
    
    Of course they work!
    
    Why else do you think every bloody non-politician crook since Robin Hood has worn one?
    
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    August 29, 2020 10:10am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Underpants don’t stop farts, so how will they stop Covid?
    
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    August 29, 2020 10:14am
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      You’re right. Funnily, I tested that hypothesis just as I scrolled past your comment ?
      
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      August 29, 2020 10:38am
  - Inandout
    
    Greg I noticed a mask wearer in town the other day and I know he lives in the most disgusting and dirty rented property. That mask is probably rank smelling without the daily washing it requires; a bloody shambles of a requirement.
    
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    August 29, 2020 10:37am
- Critical Thinker
  
  ‘A face mask is not really any protection against COVID” – Ashley Bloomfield
  https://youtu.be/ctTEHnRZVsQ?t=43
  ?
  
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  August 29, 2020 10:56am
Catgurl13

I think it’s insane how the schools are going back on Mon with that new Mt Roskill cluster that is just about to explode!!??….specially when there were several new cases from that cluster yesterday.
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August 29, 2020 8:08am
- GazzaW
  
  No need to panic – Labour Politbureau Newspeak has classified the outbreak as a MINI-cluster.
  
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  August 29, 2020 9:12am
  - DeepBlue
    
    I laughed and laughed at some spin yesterday re it was a mini cluster connected or not somehow or another way might be genomic or something, yet to be the other way but we anticipate connection soon, so all good. (I’m pretty sure I’ve quoted it exactly)
    
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    August 29, 2020 9:33am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      As long as the majority of the Sheeple believe it, Cindy is winnin.
      
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      August 29, 2020 11:12am
- Flossie
  
  I can’t get my head around why it was necessary to have this lockdown in the first place?? More and more cases are coming to light yet definitely Level 2 on Monday?? Obviously internal polling is telling them the voters don’t like lockdowns!
  
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  August 29, 2020 9:13am
  - Catgurl13
    
    Because there is an election soon?
    
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    August 29, 2020 9:29am
    - oldfella
      
      How bad would it have to get to postpone the election again? Certainly couldn’t hold them if Ak was still at Level 3.
      
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      August 29, 2020 10:24am
  - Honorary Kiwi
    
    If you go to the days when they tested 20,000 you get to double figures.
    
    If you go to the days when they tested 10,000 you get 7.8.9’s.
    
    Another mildly intelligent way to report this would be to say we have 10 cases and its two families. That is bound to affect T & T.
    
    All in all in the immediate post Lockdown which doesn’t bite for say 10/12 days (even by the Lockdown enthusiasts standards) cases have gone nowhere. Nothing has happened so either we shouldn’t have locked down and gone balanced gone quick with T &T like South Korea (right now they are reluctant to go up a level with a much bigger breakout) or we should go hard, go on, and on and on and stay in 3.
    
    I welcome someone explaining the figures in any other way.
    
    The only thing that will change the dynamic is if there is a community or sub community which is hiding the tricky little blighter.
    
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    August 29, 2020 10:21am
    - Nickc2
      
      Cindy doesn’t want to start a mud-slinging battle between Pacific Islanders and Non-Pacific Islanders over COVID-19 transmission. Just imagine if she put Auckland in another/extended lockdown due to new cases emanating from their Evangelical Church cluster.
      
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      August 29, 2020 1:01pm
      - Honorary Kiwi
        
        https://theconversation.com/aucklands-rapid-lockdown-has-given-new-zealand-a-better-chance-of-eliminating-coronavirus-again-145011
        
        This article explains why we can all go to 2 on Monday. Apparently within twelve days you can prove you have flattened the curve, reduced the R Number and prevented an explosition of cases.
        
        My understanding from Dr Bloomfield is that a cycle of transmission lasts about 12 days. That means all you have found out is what was happening prior to Lockdown. In all likelyhood most of the transmission points were in pre Lockdown circumstances and then it incubated and a way we go. However I am struggling when the figures are effectively flat to see any trend has been established.
        
        Yesterday with less than ten thousand tests and 11 cases thats the highest community case numbers since 18th and per tests as high as any since the 12th and definitely a Lockdown outcome.
        
        Let us hope by taking everyone into Quarantine and doing effective T & T and requesting self isolation has worked because that rather than Lockdown can break the chain.
        
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        August 29, 2020 4:35pm
      - Nickc2
        
        @ Honorary Kiwi 4:35PM
        I hear what you are saying and have read the article to which you refer. I hope what you are saying comes to fruition. However, the article does not give me any confidence whatsoever. There are too many wooly areas and assumptions with few hard and fast facts to support figures quoted.
        
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        August 29, 2020 5:21pm
      - Honorary Kiwi
        
        As I am only a few days in here I am trying to be diplomatic and not to judgemental and strident. But lets take the gloves off for a sec. I wanted to show the article without to much judgemental comment but to me its pretty simple. Lockdown if it works takes at least 12 days to have any affect on the stats and so the entire example is based on a false assumption. The data is not in yet. But the last few days are not promising.
        
        I have looked at Hard Lockdown stratagies and I am with a whole cadre of epidemoligists which include nobel prize winners who think its for the birds. In Lockdown the Movie we went in on the day cases peeked. They moved around a metric until April 6th and fell away. Level 2 would have sufficed. Level 2 behaviour with protection for Aged Care Facilties works.
        
        This second wave will come down to one very simple behaviorial issue can the community it broke out in contain it. I have always thought it was a 50/50 judgement call and not worth Lockdown just test deep into the community. If that doesn’t work then your into Melbourne the Sequel and my thought there is for God’s sake ring fence the Aged Care Facilities. Trust thats a bit clearer and I agree with your assessment of the article.
        
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        August 29, 2020 6:40pm
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Go and read the Horizon research poll. 79% of Sheeple are happy with what the gummit is doing. She already has the election in her handbag.
    
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    August 29, 2020 11:13am
- MT_Tinman
  
  Headline on Spiked
  
  Not a single healthy child has died from Covid
  
  Makes sense – once they get “Covid” they’re no longer healthy are they? 🙂
  
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  August 29, 2020 10:04am
- Nickc2
  
  Hey, we need all kids back at school before the election else it makes Cindy’s efforts appear all in vain.
  
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  August 29, 2020 10:15am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Yes, she needs some schools to visit, with happy, laughing children on the TV screens for the campaign.
    
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    August 29, 2020 1:40pm
- DeepBlue
  
  To think there is still 7 weeks of spin till the election. I’m already confused about Level 2 v 2.5 and Akld v the rest. It is quite conceivable another COVID cluster will breakout in those 7 weeks then what? Lockdown v Disobedience.
  
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  August 29, 2020 10:25am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    If you expect Sheeple to disobey anything the dictator orders, you need to go to a Psy_____.
    
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    August 29, 2020 11:14am
    - DeepBlue
      
      I expect to need one either way, probably more so for civil obedience.
      
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      August 29, 2020 2:17pm
- hullkiwi
  
  Don’t worry, the reported numbers today, were double yesterday’s.
  
  Cindy has got herself in a spot of both. 12 days of Auck lockdown, & the cluster is growing. The rest of NZ, Lvl2 and only 2 cases spread by the original family, yet Auck with 11 cases today, goes to Lvl 2 tomorrow. Please can SCS explain this and how the steeple will be saved?
  
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  August 29, 2020 1:37pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Doesn’t make sense does it? She’s a F_n oxygen thief. Two or three days ago she announced Level 2 for Auckland from midnight Sunday. She wouldn’t have a bloody clue! If you are right hullkiwi, all this is going to bight her on the arse.
    
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    August 29, 2020 2:48pm
The Other Enoch

WINSTONE’ WHINE BOX

Where, oh where are the SFO’s findings on Winnies corrupt practices? The election is looming. We have been promised answers before the election? Come on guys, release your findings.
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August 29, 2020 8:09am
- KevO'Brien
  
  There has been a hint that Court action has been taken for an injunction to prevent the release of the SFO report.
  
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  August 29, 2020 10:37am
Simon

Muzzles for Auckland. Got to keep the Coivd19 fear porn going.

Muzzles because they are losing grip.
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August 29, 2020 8:11am
BarryB

Yesterday I had one of those “Oh shit” moments.

At some stage during the day it became obvious that overstayers in Auckland had become a problem for Covid testing – they weren’t going to be tested in case they were followed up by immigration and put on a plane.

At one stage someone (maybe an overstayer) was asked about testing and medication and he said “We use Samoan medicine” (It could have been Tongan or some other Pacific Island). I suddenly realised that the Government and its rag-tag bunch of departments might be loosing control of the testing and spread of the virus.

If the Virus gets into a bunch of people who aren’t being tested and who think things like various tree leaves and insect wings will fix their medical problems then we have an uncontrolled spread. We saw what happens with this sort of thing with the measles outbreak and the involvement of witch doctors.

I thought – Oh Shit – here comes level 3 and 4 again. And soon
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August 29, 2020 8:12am
- igm
  
  Maybe NZ could reintroduce dawn raids and immediate deportations . . . seems the only way.
  
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  August 29, 2020 9:16am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    Estimate only 10,000, half of which are Tongan and Samoan, I guess if you can jail a woman for 6 months for trying to sneak across the Western Australian border, you could send these overstayers home for not testing.
    But it would not be kind and not a good look this close to an election.
    No kindness news in that story.
    
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    August 29, 2020 10:12am
  - artemisia
    
    Overstayers will not be on welfare, super or working unless they use false ids or are working under the table or with employer connivance.
    
    An older couple who were interviewed anonymously said they were basically in hiding. Multiply that by thousands. How stressful is that for them and their households, and what sort of example for the children.
    
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    August 29, 2020 11:11am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Barry: we must equally respect every aspect of every culture, including medical practices.
  
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  August 29, 2020 3:35pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Speak for yourself! I for one am not part of your ‘WE’ clan.
    
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    August 29, 2020 4:28pm
Nickc2

Do you really believe all this stuff about COVID and Climate Change? Let’s look at it from another perspective. With an open mind that is…..
https://www.aier.org/article/dont-live-your-life-in-a-bubble/
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August 29, 2020 8:12am
- hullkiwi
  
  Nick2, of to retraining for you. Can’t have people not following the propaganda group think!
  
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  August 29, 2020 1:56pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Good read though don’t you think? I heard the guy who wrote it interviewed on the radio last night.
    
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    August 29, 2020 2:40pm
old skool reactionary

So Amazon’s Bezos has hit US$202 000 000 000, up $87 000 000 000 since the start of the year.

US unemployment sign ups has been 1 million for the 2nd week in a row.

No wonder our Globalist overlords LOVE pushing all this pandemic lockdown caziness on the clueless, terrified normies.
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August 29, 2020 8:12am
surfing

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/122592414/zero-tolerance-on-speeding-drivers-all-year-round-as-cops-get-tough-on-motorists

I often see police vehicles exceeding the posted limit, but usually within the tolerance levels. Now there is no tolerance, will they follow their own rules?

I think this is a stupid change in policy. I bet it has the potential to increase the road toll too, as frustration risks may well exceed speed risks.
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August 29, 2020 8:14am
- Nickc2
  
  Ah, but think of the fines that get paid into Consolidated Revenue. More money for Cindy’s mob to spend buying votes.
  
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  August 29, 2020 9:12am
- Jade Warrior
  
  One issue that I wonder has been fully thought through in this policy change are the discrepancies between individual car speedometers. Surely not all cars have speedometers that provide a totally accurate reading of how fast they are travelling. For instance, for a car travelling at 100 km/h some speedometers might read 97 km/h or something similar.
  
  Of course I am aware that many car manufacturers (including the maker of my car) deliberately calibrate the speedometer to make it seem you are moving faster than what you’re actually travelling but I have always thought one of the reasons for the tolerance policy is to provide some allowance for speedometers that may not be entirely accurate as per the example above.
  
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  August 29, 2020 10:13am
- Benedict Yu
  
  It is every disappointing on a few grounds:
  
  Unless you have a GPS digital speedometer, your analogue speedometer is accurate to within about 5 percent. At an ‘indicated’ speed of 100, most cars are travelling between 95 and 100.
  
  You turn drivers into paranoids watching their speedometer instead of doing what they should be doing – watching the damn road.
  
  The idea that on straight empty highways in good weather that 100 is safe and 105 is dangerous is an absurdity.
  
  On New Zealand highways, with occasional overtaking lanes, literally sticking to 100 kmh makes overtaking a truck travelling at 90 kmh impossible. Literally impossible. There is simply not enough overtaking lane. Attempting to overtake at 100 kmh would be very dangerous because you run out of road and frustrate the hell out of drivers behind you who are also trying to overtake the slow vehicle.
  
  It reveals police priorities. There are numerous dangerous practices out there that should receive MUCH more police attention – I recently did a 2000 km South Island road trip an I saw these behaviours daily:
  
  – aggressive driving and ‘tail gating’
  
  – Overtaking on yellow lines
  
  – Dangerous overtaking
  
  – Talking on the phone while driving at highway speeds
  
  – Driving a campervan and being oblivious to the 20 cars behind you.
  
  – Driving at 95 kmh in the right-hand lane of a motorway.
  
  But of course, it is easier to book people for driving at 101 kmh rather than to address these serious and dangerous behaviours. Sad to say but compared to Australia, the UK, and Germany, my observation is that – on average – New Zealand driving behaviour and competence is poor. And those standards will not be fixed by the revealed priorities of the New Zealand Police.
  
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  August 29, 2020 10:16am
  - Ruawai
    
    The law of unintended consequences is lost on this Govt that is driven by ideology and revenue gathering.
    
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    August 29, 2020 12:55pm
Maggie Pie

And what about the government imposed ‘$300 Instant Fine’ to be issued to anyone caught not wearing a mask on Public Transport?

My partner reckons even if they tried Crowd Funding it on a bus, they’d be lucky to raise a hundy between them
😀
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August 29, 2020 8:19am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  What is the legal basis for this fine? I haven’t bothered looking into it yet, so if anyone else has, I’d be keen to know. Will there be a Stasi operative on each bus to issue these instant fines? I don’t use public transport, but I’d probably wear a balaclava as a face covering – would this trigger the virus-averse?
  
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  August 29, 2020 8:21am
  - artemisia
    
    Balaclava? Best to do banking online or you might find yourself locked in the bank with the AOS outside.
    
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    August 29, 2020 9:27am
- wimpston peeeders
  
  im awaiting the “it disproportionatly affects maori and pacifika” line. suprised it hasnt been thrown around already.
  
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  August 29, 2020 8:26am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    umm – the line that Maori are worse affected by COVID has been running for months.
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12317318
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/300088321/mori-women-took-hit-in-first-wave-of-covid19-job-losses-stats-nz-data-shows
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/04/coronavirus-m-ori-pasifika-twice-as-likely-to-die-from-covid-19-than-p-keh-study.html
    
    https://blogs.otago.ac.nz/pubhealthexpert/2020/04/10/covid-19-and-maori-health-when-equity-is-more-than-a-word/
    
    I could supply links to 50 media reports.
    
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    August 29, 2020 10:21am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      There is a higher incidence of obesity among Polynesians. It’s cultural. In the Islands the ones with larger fat reserves survive the hurricanes.
      
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      August 29, 2020 10:43am
    - wimpston peeeders
      
      yes I know that hence why I said it, my post was refering to the fines not the virus.
      
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      August 29, 2020 5:40pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Been out of the loop on this. Busy looking for work. Can anyone tell me the legal basis of the face mask (aka medically useless compliance muzzle) on public transport? Was a law passed?
  
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  August 29, 2020 8:40am
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    Yes the we are the law and what we say is law.
    
    The only truth is the truth we tell you.
    
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    August 29, 2020 8:46am
    - Ruawai
      
      Obey or you will find yourself in a cold hard cell overnight.
      
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      August 29, 2020 9:40am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Only after the murderers have benn let out?
        
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        August 29, 2020 9:18pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Probably any order under the Covid-19 Public Health Response Act – you could probably look that up.
    
    Edit: found the requirement. It is in the COVID-19 Public Health Response (Alert Level Requirements) Order 2020.
    
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    August 29, 2020 8:57am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      And a breach of that requirement is classified as an infringement offence (Fine of $300) under the main act.
      
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      August 29, 2020 9:05am
      - Ruawai
        
        But Govt have said they will go softly on people not wearing masks, it is either a law and you fine people or it isn’t a law, you can’t just go softly.
        
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        August 29, 2020 9:41am
  - fernglas
    
    This is link to the relevant regulation. http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2020/0231/latest/whole.html#LMS400581
    For future refernce, all these pieces of legislation etc. can be found at the Unite Against Covid-19 government website, at the following page:
    https://covid19.govt.nz/updates-and-resources/legislation-and-key-documents/
    
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    August 29, 2020 8:59am
  - JibberJabber
    
    I’ll just drop this here…
    
    https://twitter.com/PunkKia/status/1298191671650160640
    
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    August 29, 2020 9:24am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      Oh, but that was days ago on the “podium of truth” ™
      
      Can’t expect that to still be the case now!
      
      Silly,silly.
      
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      August 29, 2020 10:01am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      A known liar. Best to ask Jaspinda and Chippie if you want the truth
      
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      August 29, 2020 10:24am
      - Nickc2
        
        If we were wondering how the Govt. was going to pay for all their borrowed money, we have just seen it. Fines for 1klm over the speed limit (no margin for error) and not wearing a COVID mask on public transport. Remember, all fines go to Consolidated Revenue. No accounting required. Thanks Winston!!!!!
        What’s next.
        
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        August 29, 2020 11:53am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Have you noticed that the number of NZ deaths With Covid-19 no longer feature on the Covid-19 stats?
    
    Two reasons:
    a) The tiny tiny number of deaths have been contested because most would have died from any other flu anyway. Many were not tested. Even the infection numbers and hospitalisation numbers are anemic. Flu in 2017 had 180 people per week being hospitalised, with a dozen or two dying weekly during winter. More people die every year from getting the flu while in hospital than have died from Covid.
    
    b) The focus is on fear mongering. The public are just going through the motions like sheep. And to prove that point, CoL themselves have not been social distancing. They do for the photo shoots, but that is all.
    
    What is the relevance of a face mask for one specific flu variant that is so weak it pales into insignificance? Even the UK, Covid-19 deaths are a third of deaths from all other flus. So not the Resident Evil Zombie flu we are being told it is.
    
    Herd immunity works by people’s immune system combating the flu and retarding its effectiveness before passing it on.
    
    Face masks are not effective, but even if they were, isolating people is only delaying hard immunity.
    
    Face masks are giving people a false sense of security.
    
    I fully support Dr Simon Thornley’s view on this. Facefasks make sense on airplanes but not day to day life. And that elimination is not the answer.
    
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    August 29, 2020 9:55am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      “CONTROL” of the sheeple
      
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      August 29, 2020 10:26am
- godruelf
  
  Has anyone seen the ‘Legal Definition of a Mask’ yet? Reminds me of the early days of the Booze testing where the number of cases that were thrown out on technical grounds.
  
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  August 29, 2020 8:44am
  - fernglas
    
    Try reading the regulation. It’s defined there.
    
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    August 29, 2020 10:38am
    - godruelf
      
      Thanks fernglas finally managed to find it. “face covering means a covering of any type that covers the nose and mouth of a person” Looks like pretty well anything goes then
      
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      August 29, 2020 12:12pm
      - Hollyfield
        
        Yesterday Grant Robertson suggested a bandana – made me think of the bandanas in gang colours.
        
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        August 29, 2020 5:30pm
- oldfella
  
  As well as a mask, am I right in thinking all public transport users will have to use the govt’s Covid app? If so, what happens to all those older Kiwis who use buses and trains, but don’t have smartphones? Do they get thrown off? Not kind, Cindy!
  
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  August 29, 2020 10:28am
artemisia

Minister Shaw grovelling to party members for ‘creating a mess’. Only sort of though, as he was not the only Minister to make the decision and anyway he wasn’t wearing his Green hat at the time. Plus it’s really about votes, and oblivion taking another step forward.

“I want to apologise to you and the wider Green Party whānau for creating a mess right at this time at the start of an election campaign,” Shaw said.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300093942/james-shaw-apologises-for-school-decision-saying-he-wouldnt-do-it-again
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August 29, 2020 8:22am
- JeffW
  
  I am starting to wonder, if it is compulsory to use whanau when speaking English, is compulsory to use family when speaking in Maori?
  
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  August 29, 2020 9:10am
- amospicton
  
  Is this Labour seeking to destroy the Greens? If so, it’s very clever. OK, very unlikely to be deliberate then.
  
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  August 29, 2020 9:16am
  - yossarian
    
    Well Hipkins threw Shaw under the bus, so it possibly seems that way. Have to admire Labour’s rat cunning here.
    
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    August 29, 2020 9:27am
    - DeepBlue
      
      Yep, Labour are digging in and laughing all the way to 17 October. The decision has been made and we can’t go back on our word… Shaw wanted this, it was his win, even though the advisors (including Sir Brian Roche) said no to it.
      
      Own it Shaw, you messed up biggly.
      
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      August 29, 2020 9:42am
      - Nickc2
        
        Shaw is on record as having told his Greens followers that he won’t do it again. Too late you f-wit, it’s done and I’m guessing the non-Greens taxpayer are none too pleased.
        I happed to think Robinson is playing games. I believe he can go back on the deal because no shovels are in the ground yet AFIK.
        
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        August 29, 2020 12:26pm
    - Ruawai
      
      And Robertson has doubled down saying he can’t possibly reverse the funding.
      
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      August 29, 2020 9:42am
      - niggly
        
        Robbo is spinning …. what’s the green school going to do – sue the govt? Robbo would simply chuck a lazy million or so as compensation, so don’t believe him!
        
        Hey what about that time Helen Clark cancelled the air force F-16 purchase even though it the deal with the manufacturer had been signed and payments made? That’s right they happily used millions of taxpayer funds to pay the penalties without a care in the world!
        
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        August 29, 2020 10:49am
  - Inandout
    
    amo, my thinking also as the only reason for such a monstrous fuck up.
    
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    August 29, 2020 10:44am
- Tall Man
  
  Then he should show some class and apologise to the school and reverse the decision. Fat chance.
  
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  August 29, 2020 9:17am
- giltee
  
  The Green Dumb And Dumber Party fits so well and Davis is the dumber. This party is dangerous because if Adern needs them (with her socialist ideology), to form the next government then NZ will be Aotearoa and we’ll see socialism at its finest. The majority of Kiwis are sheeple so they’ll be talked around to accepting what’s forced upon them with hugs and kindness by the wolf in sheep’s clothing, oh sorry that’s already happened.
  
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  August 29, 2020 11:04am
Allan

Looks like the Government has instructed the Police to go and collect some revenue with the removal of the 5 KMPH tolerance that is normally allowed. Any respect for the Police with this action IMHO will vanish if this occurs. Another example of bureacracy gone crazy and common sense disappearing from those who are meant to be our public servants not our rulers.
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August 29, 2020 8:23am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Too hard to catch the real problem speeders so let’s dong everyone.
  
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  August 29, 2020 9:11am
  - JackRabbit
    
    No, its entrapment and revenue gathering. Very very few of the passing lanes in NZ are long enough to pass while remaining under the speed limit and maintaining the two second following rule at all times.
    
    It is another string in the bow of state control to break the free will of people and keep them in fear, and compliant. Just as is being doing with the deathless Covid-19 charade.
    
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    August 29, 2020 10:11am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Tell Plod the collective punishment is a war crime under the Geneva Convention, then watch his face LOL
    
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    August 29, 2020 10:31am
  - septic skeptic
    
    The problem is that most of the problem speeders can’t afford to pay the fines, so there is no money in targeting them.
    
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    August 29, 2020 12:22pm
- greybeard
  
  I find the timing of this new law interesting. Looks to me like some sort of diversionary tactic to take our minds off the recent bad Govt decisions and performances
  ( quarantine shambles, constant untruths, Greens private school fiasco etc )
  
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  August 29, 2020 9:16am
- Catgurl13
  
  Funny how certain types get compliance or directed to their Iwi and Marae when they get caught driving with no license etc on Pice 10/7. Other types don’t have a Marae to go to so that’s disadvantaging them.
  
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  August 29, 2020 9:17am
  - tf78
    
    That’s the problem when you can’t read -you can’t sit a driver’s license.
    
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    August 29, 2020 10:05am
  - Nickc2
    
    Yes, it’s called reverse racism, but who is complaining? Yes, I know, it’s all us who don’t have dark pigmented skin.
    
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    August 29, 2020 12:01pm
I remember when

BBC News:
Report on Covid Dangers for children in Britain.
No deaths of children who didn’t have serious health problems. Only 6 deaths in total.
Obese and Black children are especially at risk of complications.
Study showed childrens’ risk of hospitalisation is tiny.
Elderly are more likely to catch covid-19 from another adult source, rather than from family member children who attend school.
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August 29, 2020 8:23am
- JackRabbit
  
  So just like any other flu then.
  
  “Elderly are more likely to catch covid-19 from another adult source, rather than from family member children who attend school.”
  
  That is because they already had herd immunity from the flu strain they already caught from their children. That’s how herd immunity works among groups with linked DNA.
  
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  August 29, 2020 10:19am
peterwn

So the Police are reducing ‘tolerances’ with regard to speeding enforcement. How much longer will it be before the network of traffic cameras on highways are used for ‘average speed enforcement’ ie if your average speed between A and B exceeds the prevailing limit you get a ticket in your letterbox.
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August 29, 2020 8:25am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  the cops and NZTA have been slavering to do this for years.
  
  Brownlee and Bridges wouldn’t let them.
  
  What do you think Twyford and Genter will decide?
  
  Bwuhahahahaha!
  
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  August 29, 2020 9:14am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Think smartphones and contact tracing
  
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  August 29, 2020 10:34am
- Nickc2
  
  Don’t give them ideas. Robinson and Cindy will see it as extra revenue gathering and Julie-Anne Genta will see it as being able to pass you on her pushbike on her way to the trough.
  
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  August 29, 2020 12:07pm
fernglas

So a teacher conducting a classroom discussion about racism quotes from Malcolm X and in the quote is the word “nigger”. Complaint to the school, followed by grovelling apology and a social awareness committee. The word will “never be spoken again”. This is just nuts. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12360410
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August 29, 2020 8:28am
- fernglas
  
  This is likely to be the relevant quote:
  “Malcolm X asked, “What does a white man call a black man with a Ph.D.?” He answered: “A nigger with a Ph.D.”
  So an African American icon in the fight against racism has his pointed and insightful words censored to preserve the sensibilities of a New Zealand child. What are we breeding out there?
  
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  August 29, 2020 8:44am
  - kowtow
    
    But Malcolm X’s statement was racist as he was stereotyping all whites as racists .
    
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    August 29, 2020 9:19am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      It’s identity politics and the demonization of the “other.”
      
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      August 29, 2020 9:48am
  - greybeard
    
    The herald article repeatedly used the word “whanau” in relation to the offended girl.
    Draw your own conclusions about the school’s response.
    Why is it so hard for some people to accept history ?
    
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    August 29, 2020 9:21am
  - giltee
    
    We’re breeding labour and green voters
    
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    August 29, 2020 11:13am
- Catgurl13
  
  When I read that article I thought the Herald is desperate for a story when there isn’t one. I couldn’t imagine a teacher risking their job saying something in a stupid way how they implied. Funny that Maori are allowed to say whatever they like to us whites and nothing is ever said about it?….. obviously the student wasn’t intelligent enough to understand the context of the lesson, which is more worrying.
  
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  August 29, 2020 9:43am
- peterwn
  
  Remember the ‘Little B**** Sambo’ books?
  
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  August 29, 2020 10:54am
  - Jules99
    
    Black is fine because, hey, black lives matter. I expect a re-print of this timeless classic anytime soon. /sarc
    
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    August 29, 2020 12:04pm
  - Nickc2
    
    No, but I remember Big Ears was a Paedophile in Enid Blyton’s Noddy and Big Ears golden books of the same era.
    
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    August 29, 2020 1:10pm
Bobba Fret

James Shaw spinning like a top over his funding of the private “Green”school. Robbo and Hipkins enjoying the show and certainly not helping him. This could shift some green voters across to Labour.
Saint Kent’s should apply to Shaw for some funding!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/122597011/election-2020-hypocrisy-thy-colour-is-green

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300093942/james-shaw-apologises-for-school-decision-saying-he-wouldnt-do-it-again
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August 29, 2020 8:36am
- niggly
  
  But the apology isn’t worth anything – the school still gets the $11.7M (and Shaw can walk away smirking knowing that)! Sheesh the Green membership are easily pacified by an “apology”!
  
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  August 29, 2020 10:53am
- SB2
  
  Bobba Fret
  
  Untrue!
  
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  August 29, 2020 1:00pm
KevO'Brien

‘$300 Instant Fine’
What under what law?
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August 29, 2020 8:36am
- Mr_Blobby
  
  Yeah about that.
  
  Never heard anything about what actual Act of Parliament covers this is.
  
  Probably just making it up as they go along again.
  
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  August 29, 2020 8:47am
- wimpston peeeders
  
  300 instant fine and up to 1000 if imposed by a judge.
  but chippie said hes not keen on enforcing it so trust him he said it at the podium of truth and this govt never ever lies…
  
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  August 29, 2020 8:48am
- fernglas
  
  http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2020/0231/latest/whole.html#LMS400581
  
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  August 29, 2020 9:00am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Thanks
    
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    August 29, 2020 10:41am
Inandout

So if a looter is hungry that is an excuse?
https://trends.gab.com/trend-feed/5f4946201852e24a8c20c18a
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August 29, 2020 8:38am
- Cantabrian
  
  And notice how all these ‘rouge’ DAs are funded by Soros, are all of the same gender, and of the same colour.
  
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  August 29, 2020 9:24am
  - Phronesis
    
    Red?
    
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    August 29, 2020 11:03am
  - Nickc2
    
    You are onto it Cantabrian! All those Blue States. Obama worshipers.
    
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    August 29, 2020 12:52pm
Lee C

Laws are for losers, Kev.
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August 29, 2020 8:45am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  And Loser Cruisers are not the place to apply stupid laws.
  
  Well, there goes public transport. Well done Cindy!
  
  Everything she touches turns to shit, it is her special super power!
  
  Quite remarkable.
  
  So now pretty please everyone go back to work in crowded impersonal offices that treat you like shit (hope you like your tiny personal “green” garbage cube, and are you enjoying “hot desking” yet?) in a town that hates you, that digs up all the road to add meaningless empty cycle lanes, and makes traffic impossible (for your own good, Comrade!), so you can be tracked going for an expensive sandwich.
  
  Or stay away and work from home.
  
  Thanks John, Steve, Amy, Simon for bringing us UFB and letting us cut the tether to the horribe CBD rat race.
  
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  August 29, 2020 8:53am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  They are if they are irrational and trample over civil liberties. If masks actually do work and people who are afraid of catching the virus wear one, I cannot see any reason why these people should worry about my not wearing one. They’ll be happy and I will be too.
  
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  August 29, 2020 8:57am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Masks also work to increase carbon dioxide return flow to the lungs and hence a decrease in available oxygen to the bloodstream. That can dull motorist responses, even put them to sleep.
    
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    August 29, 2020 10:51am
    - theoldbloke
      
      and your reference to this falsehood is what?
      Something that came to you in a dream?
      
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      August 29, 2020 1:55pm
TWEEDSE

People who vote for a socialist government are fundamentally mean cowards.

Mean – because they believe they should take from others without working for it.

Cowards – because they rely on others to steal for them.
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August 29, 2020 9:02am
cmm

Very ageist article on the $1 rag.

Apparently old people can’t use cell phones and are incapable of scanning a QR code.

But the bigger issue is this: how many infected people have actually been traced by the app?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/122593726/coronavirus-senior-citizens-using-public-transport-may-fall-into-contact-tracing-void
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August 29, 2020 9:02am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Smart phones? I don’t have one–they too darn small to use and the silly menus and finger actions are not smart.
  Not all COL utterances can work.
  
  The mask are a political sham too. There is much argument among actual scientists as to their usefulness. They are a proven danger in raising CO2 levels by recycling the expired user breath. Deaths have been reported.
  
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  August 29, 2020 11:02am
  - Nickc2
    
    Agree. If Cindy passed a law requiring all bus passengers put a foot under the passenger side rear wheel until the bus had driven off, would they? Most people wouldn’t but they would be subject to a fine. Why don’t these idiots make sure what they put into law actually does what it is supposed to do. I have seen video of whatshisname, the mouth piece for the MoH claim masks are not a panacea for anything.
    
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    August 29, 2020 12:40pm
    - Batman
      
      Nothing is a silver bullet.
      
      Masks are a tool used in conjunction with other measures.
      
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      August 29, 2020 12:42pm
      - Nickc2
        
        What? Wash your hands and be kind?
        
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        August 29, 2020 1:17pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Nope, they make no effective difference except in “social status” and in being able to compel people to do something pointless so they get used to the idea.
        
        An N95 qualifying mask used appropriately can make a small difference, but cloth masks, just stupidity.
        
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        August 29, 2020 6:50pm
Sofia

I probably read a reasonable number of media outlets, but in the past week I have not seen any mention of the Royal Commission into the Christchurch Massacres or any recent guess at a delivery date of their supposedly imminent but overdue Report.
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August 29, 2020 9:04am
- MCos
  
  The date was put back because of the first lockdown.
  It’s now due on 26-Nov
  
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  August 29, 2020 9:18am
- Tall Man
  
  SFO report on “what’s in it for wynston”……
  
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  August 29, 2020 9:26am
Paulus

Wow 9 am and no comment on the unnamed anti Muslim Australian shooter.
Wonder how long without hearing his name – never I hope, and that he will be better forgotten as soon as possible.
Unless there are votes there !
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August 29, 2020 9:06am
- rangitoto
  
  Someone is bound to make a doco about Tarrant.
  
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  August 29, 2020 9:19am
  - artemisia
    
    Expect there will be at least one Tarrant doco that New Zealanders will not be allowed to see.
    
    There are a few docos about the UK 7 July suicide bombers who killed 52 and injured hundreds.
    
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    August 29, 2020 9:42am
    - oldfella
      
      They made a movie about the Boston Marathon bombers which is on Netflix at the moment.
      Maybe TVNZ will do a Sunday TV movie about Tarrant?
      FWIW, I thought their TV movies on Tangiwai and Erebus were both excellent.
      
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      August 29, 2020 10:43am
    - G152
      
      Remember the IRA ????
      You want murder on a large scale
      
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      August 29, 2020 12:22pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I am waiting for a Labour Party ad depicting Labour’s heroism in removing a terrorist.
    Labour have NO conscience.
    
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    August 29, 2020 10:40am
    - SB2
      
      Garbage in garbage out
      
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      August 29, 2020 1:02pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        That’s not very nice – being mean to Labour
        
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        August 29, 2020 2:09pm
- Nickc2
  
  On Sky News last night (Credlin) it was reported that Cindy had asked Morrison (Aust. PM) if he would take Tarrant and jail him in Aust. Morrison is thinking about it but it will take a law change in Aust.
  
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  August 29, 2020 9:21am
  - JackRabbit
    
    She was intent on him being made to suffer for what he did. Any rational person would want him here so they can ensure that it is done.
    
    He was convicted here and has to serve time here.
    
    If he gets shipped to Australia, anyone willing to bet on him going missing or escaping.?
    
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    August 29, 2020 10:46am
    - Nickc2
      
      I was somewhat surprised when Peta Credlin read that piece of news. I thought Cindy would have wanted to keep him here so she could use his case as an example of her Govt. being strong on Law and Order.
      It also crossed my mind that she would be dining out forever as being the first NZ PM to preside over NZ’s first Life Without Parole sentence.
      
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      August 29, 2020 1:33pm
    - Overworked
      
      Like the French spies you mean?
      
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      August 29, 2020 2:39pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Why should Australia take him back?
    
    It was NZ citizens/residents/visitors that he massacred.
    
    It happened on Jacinda’s watch….
    
    Her Government failed to protect the safety, well-being and lives of fellow NZers.
    
    It wasn’t Australia that failed the dead and wounded.
    
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    August 29, 2020 11:01am
    - SB2
      
      MW, are you suggesting the Mosque shootings would never of happened under a Judith Collin’s watch?
      
      As silly as blaming the then PM John Key for the Christchurch eartquakes
      
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      August 29, 2020 11:33am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Dummy
        Chch. earthquakes were an “act of god”
        Tarrent was an act of a lunatic who got a gun, in a system that should not have allowed him to.
        
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        August 29, 2020 12:35pm
      - SB2
        
        RW Capitalist, before you runaway “act of God” in a secular society?
        
        Again , Tarrant under National would of never would of got hold weaponry?
        
        Silly laddie!
        
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        August 29, 2020 1:05pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I am just recording the facts Stephieboy.
        
        The massacre happened on 15 March 2019.
        Jacinda Ardern was Prime Minister.
        
        The convicted killer/terrorist was granted a gun licence by the NZ police in November 2017.
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/120285768/mosque-terrorist-was-wrongly-granted-firearms-licence-due-to-police-mistakes-sources-say
        
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        August 29, 2020 1:16pm
      - Nickc2
        
        The downticks are indicative of the stupidity of your posting Stephie.
        
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        August 29, 2020 1:35pm
      - niggly
        
        And let’s not forget that prior to the shooting, Jacinda was about to loosen the rules for Police vetting and checking gun licence applications!
        
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        August 29, 2020 1:38pm
      - RW Capitalist
        
        SB…
        1. I am an atheist and “act of god is only an expression to describe the inevitable.
        2.and true, National had a much better handle on and control of the public service than Labour under both Clark and Ardern…so chances are Tarrant would not have got a gun under National.
        
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        August 29, 2020 2:01pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @SB2
        
        You seem unaware that “act of God” is often invoked in Legal and Insurance documents issued by our Government…
        Here, for instance… a document from MBIE defining a Force Majeure Event:
        
        Force Majeure Event means an event or circumstance beyond the reasonable control of either party
        which makes it impossible or illegal to perform, or prevents compliance with, or the performance of, a
        party’s obligations under this Agreement, including:
        (a) fire, floods, tsunami, storms, tempest, earthquake or other act of God;
        (b) any act of a public enemy, war, riot, or act of civil or military authority;
        (c) nuclear, chemical or biological contamination; and
        (d) subject to paragraph (g) of this definition, any act of a third party engaged in subversive or
        terrorist activity or sabotage,
        
        https://www.mbie.govt.nz/dmsdocument/3900-section-8-part-3-procurement-and-contracts-information-for-release-pdf
        
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        August 29, 2020 3:08pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Tarrant is ours now. Why should the Aussies have to pay the excessive cost of his future imprisonment? $NZD 5M/p.a!
    
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    August 29, 2020 11:06am
  - Jack5
    
    Jacinderella is merely upstaging Winston Raymond Peters, who made the call first.
    
    What with Jacinderealla already granting asylum to the Manus Island border gatecrasher, Behrouz Boochani, the Labour-Green socialists are goading the Aussies into closing the Tasman back door – visa free entry for New Zealanders.
    
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    August 29, 2020 11:28am
MT_Tinman

Apparently old people can’t use cell phones and are incapable of scanning a QR code.

Any vulnerable (health-wise) old fart using public transport has more to worry about than learning to use a “smart ‘phone”.

Come to think of it if we (us old farts) were all forced to use that public transport weekly the aging population problem could be addressed in one fell swoop. 😉
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August 29, 2020 9:15am
- Jack5
  
  Or are oldies smart enough to stick to “burner” phones – cheap text-and-talk only versions.
  
  You can have two or three of these scattered around and still pay far less than you would for a decent smart phone. Running costs are much lower, too.
  
  And you won’t put a lean on your neck from constantly craning to watch crap like Facebook and Instagram.
  
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  August 29, 2020 11:33am
  - MT_Tinman
    
    Jack5, Or are oldies smart enough to stick to “burner” phone
    
    I went back to a flip-phone a couple of years ago, lasted about a week – and I have never used Facebook or Instagram.
    
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    August 29, 2020 1:38pm
    - Paulus
      
      My old style flip phone is many years old and works perfectly as a phone (and radio).
      Why should I spend money to get any new one.
      And I have never joined Facebook or Twitter or any similar.
      
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      August 29, 2020 2:19pm
MCos

Several times now Pres Trump has suggested that America’s apparent high incidence of Covid19 infections is down to too much testing.
If 100,000 people are randomly tested there might be, say 100 infected, whereas if only 50,000 are tested that number would be 50. That would leave 50 continuing to infect other people.
If the other 50,000 are tested a couple of weeks later the number infected may have grown into the many hundreds as has been shown here by how quickly one infected person can cause a chain reaction.
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August 29, 2020 9:15am
- kowtow
  
  We have an uncontained outbreak here and the potential for spread to the rest of the country on Monday cannot be understated .
  
  But Trump , Trump , Trump………
  
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  August 29, 2020 9:28am
  - Nickc2
    
    Exactly. However, I seriously doubt Cindy would initiate another lockdown before the election. It would spell the end of her mob’s chances if she did. People I talk to have had enough of this already and for what? They are all out of pocket and none of them want assistance they may not be able to repay. Sad but true. Most agree it’s all about making people dependant on the Govt.
    
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    August 29, 2020 9:44am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Another lockdown? I will not be surprised for the present situation to be continued and possibly extended from next week. The election deferred again under emergency rules.
      The fearful and controlling may insist.
      
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      August 29, 2020 11:10am
      - Nickc2
        
        Geez Kev, you’re a bundle of glee arn’t ya?
        
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        August 29, 2020 1:22pm
    - MCos
      
      You’re assuming that the voters would turn to someone else.
      
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      August 29, 2020 11:38am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Do you seriously think we have a competence bunch of Executive Council members who can do anything?
        
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        August 29, 2020 1:08pm
- JackRabbit
  
  Probably also because in the USA some are testing for anti-bodies, not just current infections in order to get a clean bill of health. Search google. “US testing for antibodies”.
  
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  August 29, 2020 10:51am
- theoldbloke
  
  I really do wish people would look at Trumps original speech with the comment about too much testing.
  It was in jest you idiots.
  Watch the effing video.
  DO NOT believe edited parts propogated thru MSM.
  
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  August 29, 2020 2:32pm
greenfinger

In any other country, Green funding a private would be called a criminal act of bribery! For all the election funding principles the Green Party espouse, Shaw has to go! Otherwise, all the Green Party people are just hypocrites.
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August 29, 2020 9:16am
- Tall Man
  
  Why stop with jimmy, send them all into history.
  
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  August 29, 2020 9:27am
- Nickc2
  
  Forget Shaw, he’s just their token male. The evil in that party is coutesy of Marama Davidson.
  
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  August 29, 2020 9:49am
  - Tall Man
    
    With the rest supplying abject stupidity, hypocrisy and greed.
    
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    August 29, 2020 9:57am
    - Nickc2
      
      and wanting to turn kids into drug addicts!
      
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      August 29, 2020 10:28am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    And Genter
    
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    August 29, 2020 10:44am
Jack5

With New Zealand’s Government effectively borrowing from itself to fund the Wuhan flu subsidies, Michael Reddell’s blog, CroakingCassandra, is particularly worthwhile reading these days.

It’s money tree magic.

One of Redell’s latest posts considers whether the Reserve Bank can just write off the bonds it is issuing and holding – a debt jubilee.

With the stock exchange being hammered and the kiwi dollar holding up only because everyone else is feeling the pain, too, these are indeed interesting times.

The Reddell posts:

https://croakingcassandra.com/

And here’s the Washington Post (apparently outside its paywall) talking about an American debt jubilee:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/21/debt-jubilee-is-only-way-avoid-depression/
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August 29, 2020 9:23am
Notsofast

Mike White writes this article on the mystery hand hairs in the Lundy case.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/122590521/police-didnt-test-then-destroyed-vital-evidence-in-lundy-case

The appeal court, Cooper j , Asher j, and Winkelmann j managed the matter like this:

“[361] As to the hairs, these were uplifted at the mortuary on 2 September 2000 by
Detective Jonathan Oram who produced a sketch he made, showing the location of the
hairs, in his notebook . We were not referred to (and have not been able to find in the
record) any further evidence concerning these hairs, or analysis undertaken concerning
them. This evidence does not assist in resolving the issues we have to decide.”

https://forms.justice.govt.nz/search/Documents/pdf/jdo/e7/alfresco/service/api/node/content/workspace/SpacesStore/e2f30dfd-1e30-42fc-af12-9796e506de20/e2f30dfd-1e30-42fc-af12-9796e506de20.pdf
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August 29, 2020 9:25am
Dave Mann

In the supermarket yesterday a fat woman in a muzzle told me that I should be wearing a mask. She just looked at me and grunted one word “mask!” with an exclamation mark.

“I can’t wear a mask because I’ve got an allergy” I said.

“Oh…. is it the cloth or something?”

“Nope. I’m allergic to mindless adherence to subliminal programming. Especially by people who haven’t got a clue.”

I could see my her eyes that she was trying to work out some of the longer words and what they might mean. There was a kind of wrinkling of the eyebrows going on so, being a kind hearted guy and not wanting to hurt her feelings, I said “But you look good with a mask. It really suits you. Are you Karen?”

I didn’t catch her reply, muffled in her muzzle, as I considered the merits of the strength 10 versus the strength 12 coffee pods.

In the end I went for the 12. Altogether a fuller coffee experience.
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August 29, 2020 9:27am
- Nickc2
  
  Yep, they walk among us, they breed and unfortunately, they vote. No guessing who they vote for.
  
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  August 29, 2020 9:54am
- kowtow
  
  I suppose one upside will be the hysteria driven mask wearers will be prevented from licking their fingers before they try to separate the plastic produce bags ……..
  
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  August 29, 2020 9:57am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  No tantrum from Karen? Maybe next time. Don’t forget to record it
  
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  August 29, 2020 10:47am
- JackRabbit
  
  Asking why Covid-19 is so dangerous in NZ, since the deaths are miniscule compared to the flu, would be like asking an SS officer what did the Jew they are arresting did wrong.
  
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  August 29, 2020 10:56am
chukar

GF

They are , and the green ministers are the worst of the bunch.
You will note that I do not name them, they are all too terrible to be named!
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August 29, 2020 9:36am
Rachael Membery

Female?
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August 29, 2020 10:08am
Frank Hematuria

Interesting how well the coppers are working on destroying any public confidence in them. From Bush’s heavy-handed threats in the heady days of early Covid-19, to working hand-in-hand with Hone and his bunch of law breakers, to now threatening to do you for 1kph over the speed limit. The Coster chap has disappeared without trace, apart from a cameo appearance in Christchurch for an over-the-top display of excessive security. Way to go, coppers!
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August 29, 2020 10:18am
- KevO'Brien
  
  How can they lawfully change the rules of enforcement at will? Discretion can be abused.
  Have the Police become domestic terror bringers too. IRD has gone over the top with automated threatening letters for tax paid but not accounted for by them and prospective payments too. (Have they hired a team of off-shore programmers?)
  
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  August 29, 2020 11:17am
tranquil

Hi all –
Even **more** good news on so-called “climate change”!

( Disclosure – I’ve copied this from my post on nzissues.com )

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/08/27/new-confirmation-that-climate-models-overstate-atmospheric-warming/

Quote – “Two new peer-reviewed papers from independent teams confirm that climate models overstate atmospheric warming and the problem has gotten **worse** over time, not better.”

But that’s not all…… 🙂

Those papers mention an *observed warming trend* of 0.15 K per decade.
**However** – look at these old papers –
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/06/29/aging-weather-stations-contribute-to-high-temperature-records/
Quote – “New paper finds that aging weather stations record much higher daytime temperatures, 1.63°C higher than new stations”
While we are all watching the heat wave developing in the US southwest, here is something to consider. Albedo (reflectivity) on the surfaces of weather station shelters changes with time, something I and the volunteers have documented with the Surface Stations project.”

That page also includes a **great** photo of an old weather station – formerly painted all-white but now with peeling paint! It is now darker because of the peeling paint and so **will absorb more heat!**

Paper 2 – https://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/03/21/find-the-weather-station-in-this-photo/

Quote – “We have now looked at 18 separate stations (out of a total of 103), in three separate categories. So far, **not one** of these stations meets the criteria of being “away from large urban centres” and the CRN quality standards of NOAA/NCDC in terms of siting.”

The two new papers mention an “observed trend” of 0.15 degrees per decade.
**However** – when you factor in things like –
* measurement error (which I’d love to know for that figure)
* urban “heat island” effects
* old measuring stations (as mentioned above)
* stations being moved
* tens of thousands of jobs (in climate science and media) depending on scaring people
* deliberate “fudging” of the data in Climategate

……. the whole thing is rapidly becoming a farce (to put it mildly).

Measuring temperature accurately and precisely is **very very difficult**.
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August 29, 2020 10:28am
- SB2
  
  Anthony Watts, is neither a qualified and certifed meteorologist ( as claimed) nor graduted from his alumni Purdue University ..
  
  A uni droptop out is another appropriate term
  
  https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Anthony_Watts
  
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  August 29, 2020 11:18am
  - JJ56
    
    FWIW the 3 articles posted at WUWT are reposts from Judith Curry’s blog Climate etc https://judithcurry.com/. The posts describe 3 recent peer reviewed publications and in 2 cases are written by one of the authors of those papers (Nic Lewis https://www.rossmckitrick.com/cv-talks-bio-etc.html and Ross McKitrick https://www.rossmckitrick.com), and in the third Nic Lewis critiques a paper by the Exeter Climate Systems group.
    
    The Lewis contributions deal with the difficult issue of just how sensitive the climate is to greenhouse gases.
    
    The general circulation models used to project future climates (and in most policy responses) produce sensitivities that are higher than have been estimated from observations from the period where we have good instrumental coverage. This uncertainty is reflected in the range cited by the IPCC, and hasn’t changed much since its very early reports 30 years ago.
    
    Lewis has been working on estimating the sensitivity from observational data, and the current state of the literature has some who favour the models publishing papers raising objections to his techniques.
    
    The Exeter group fit a linear model to historic warming and the climates’ response, claiming the best fit implies high sensitivity. Lewis pushes back saying if we accept that their implied model then zero warming should produce zero response, but their model fails to do that. Objection overruled as it were.
    
    His own paper deals with another objection to the estimates based on historic observations. The argument advanced by others is that if you take account of the patterns of temperature change in the historic record you in fact get higher estimates of sensitivity, more consistent with what the models are producing.
    
    In this case Lewis redoes their analysis using 5 different dataset for the sea-ice temperatures, and showed that the cited effect occurred in only the one that been previously reported. Lewis suggests the results may arise from the way the exceptional dataset was constructed in the merging of the satellite data with earlier observations.
    
    McKitrick reports on a paper of his and a paper by another team that test how well the latest generation of climate models (CMIP 6) back project over the known instrumental period. Early results had been projecting more warming than the current ones.
    
    What both papers found was warming was significantly overstated, particularly in the troposphere (4-5 times faster). Both papers report that this bias is increasing in the newer models.
    
    The problem here is the models all have a systematic bias to over heating, and projections from them are being used for policy purpose
    
    As they say thank goodness the science is settled.
    
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    August 29, 2020 4:14pm
    - JJ56
      
      the link to Lewis should have been https://www.nicholaslewis.org/
      
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      August 29, 2020 6:03pm
- JackRabbit
  
  To those of us who know the fear of climate change is manufactured, this is just more confirmation. But is does not change those who have drunk the Manmade Climate change Koolaid.
  
  Here is just one of many tips to dealing with those people in conversation:
  
  Put them on the back foot, by asking them to justify their rationale. Then ask them, are they aware of the Furtwangler Glacier on Mt Kilimanjaro? Tell them that there was no Glacier on Mt Kilimanjaro11,500 years ago, a fact verifiable on Google. Ask them to explain that if man is the sole cause of Global Warming, why is it much colder now, than it was 11,500 years ago?
  
  It is likely that the Koolaid drinkers do not know about Kepler, Milutin Milankovitch, the shaking and wobbling of the earth, the inverse square law of radiation, and the continuing heating and cooling of the earth. Instead they believe the Sky is falling.
  
  The greatest threat to the planet is not the heating and cooling, or for that matter Covid-19, but the stupidity and Jungian projection that goes on as immature beings continue to blame everyone and everything else.
  
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  August 29, 2020 11:37am
- giltee
  
  It’s interesting how this can be downticked. My only guess is that:
  1. They don’t have the intelligence to understand it
  2. They don’t have the intelligence to understand they can read the conclusion at the bottom that sums it up
  3. They don’t have any intelligence and are Green or labour voters
  
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  August 29, 2020 11:39am
I remember when

Is there ‘systemic racism’?
Is ‘systemic/institutional racism’ part of every country’s behaviours, procedures and laws?
Does our DNA result in us making decisions about people because of their similarity?
Is this ‘systemic racism’?
When does imbedded procedure become ‘institutional racism’?
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August 29, 2020 11:08am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

I get this strange sensation that my phone will make loud noises around 9pm tomorrow, then again at 6am Monday
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August 29, 2020 11:08am
- SB2
  
  Are you sure those noises are actually coming from inside your cranium?
  
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  August 29, 2020 11:20am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Nope, it is an echo from idiots like you
    
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    August 29, 2020 2:12pm
SB2

Covid-19 contrarians claim they’re being censored,

“The pharmaceutical scientist and entrepreneur was being interviewed about his criticism of the statistical modelling informing the government response to Covid-19. He argued efforts to eradicate the virus are excessively damaging to society and impossible to achieve, saying “you only need one person to sneak in from a boat in Kerikeri and you’ve lost your immunity”.

After communicating those ideas, he claimed they were being suppressed. Not only had they been kept out of government decision-making; they were being actively “shut down”, he said.”

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/2018743518/covid-19-contrarians-claim-they-re-being-censored

Others include epidemiologist Dr Simon Thornly.

Utter nonsense There is no censorship!

They are wrong both getting all kinds of publicity in multiple media outlets outlined in the link above.It is more they’re not getting the ear of the government or other colleagues .
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August 29, 2020 11:09am
- Surely Knott
  
  Gold Star for Stuff. 13 new cases of Covid in NZ and for the first time in months there is no press conference just a press release. At least stuff reports their was no press conference for the bad news and that the govt decides not to front the bad news. The Herald by contrast leads the story with a misleading picture of Bloomfield a and makes no mention that their was no conference only a press release .
  
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  August 29, 2020 1:22pm
  - Prince
    
    From that press release, ‘Almost 10,000 tests were processed on Friday…’
    Now why not report the number, as they always have in the past ?
    Is it 9,990 ? Or 9, 501 ? Or 9,001 ? Or what ?
    They must have a number, but now they’ve stopped reporting it.
    
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    August 29, 2020 2:03pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

“The American Dream is to be like Donald Trump”
Barrack Obama 1991
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August 29, 2020 11:13am
- SB2
  
  Source please?
  
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  August 29, 2020 11:21am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Tomato or mustard?
    Fact checkers say ‘partly false’ but not which part. We know that lefties scrub the cache. Is your google thing broken? or you just don’t know how to use it?
    
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    August 29, 2020 2:17pm
  - Fletch
    
    Apparently, Obama actually said something similar –
    
    “[Americans have] a continuing normative commitment to the ideals of individual freedom and mobility, values that extend far beyond the issue of race in the American mind. The depth of this commitment may be summarily dismissed as the unfounded optimism of the average American—I may not be Donald Trump now, but just you wait; if I don’t make it, my children will.”
    
    https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-obama-trump-dream-idUSKBN23G275
    
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    August 29, 2020 8:25pm
- MCos
  
  Trump should have stuck to whatever he was doing at the time. Running a TV show or something.
  
  “Donald Trump hasn’t grown into the job because he can’t. And the consequences of that failure are severe.”
  Barack Obama, last week
  
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  August 29, 2020 11:49am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You and SB2 should get married
    
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    August 29, 2020 2:18pm
    - MCos
      
      Does that mean it’s all over, Stevie?
      
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      August 29, 2020 4:11pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    Obama never matured in the Jon either, as piss useless at the end of 8 years of hating America as he was on Day 1.
    
    And the conventions he discarded, like having a peaceful and cooperative handover to his successor, using the IRS against his opponents, using the CIA and FBI against the Senate, Reporters, and his successor. A thoroughly rotten person who should just go away and stop reminding everyone of his failures.
    
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    August 29, 2020 6:59pm
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      Far from maturing in the Jon, Obama made them transgender accessible.
      
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      August 29, 2020 8:27pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Not an actual quote by Obama, but never mind. Even if he had written this in his 20s, it might be more instructive to see what he has said more recently:
  
  “I did hope, for the sake of our country, that Donald Trump might show some interest in taking the job seriously; that he might come to feel the weight of the office and discover some reverence for the democracy that had been placed in his care.
  “But he never did. For close to four years now, he’s shown no interest in putting in the work; no interest in finding common ground; no interest in using the awesome power of his office to help anyone but himself and his friends; no interest in treating the presidency as anything but one more reality show that he can use to get the attention he craves.
  “Donald Trump hasn’t grown into the job because he can’t. And the consequences of that failure are severe.”
  
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  August 29, 2020 3:59pm
  - artemisia
    
    You do realise that’s a stump speech. It’s what politicians do.
    
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    August 29, 2020 4:31pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    That’s speech of the worst president of all time, and when that list includes Wilson, Nixon, and Carter, that’s quite an achievement.
    
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    August 29, 2020 7:00pm
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    Who cares what Obama said recently? How is this at all relevant? Obama’s post-presidency statements have the aura of an impotent ex-husband commenting on his former wife’s new, well-hung and virile man.
    
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    August 29, 2020 8:30pm
    - Vory v zakone
      
      Eventually you will need a microscope to find what’s left of Barry’s legacy.
      
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      August 30, 2020 2:21am
Maggy Wassilieff

OH look..
some naughty Aucklanders have been escaping…

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/08/coronavirus-aucklanders-able-to-fly-out-of-the-city-without-proof-they-have-a-good-reason.html
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August 29, 2020 11:15am
- JackRabbit
  
  Cool. That’s 19,000 people, some of whom don’t believe the narrative and probably won’t be voting Labour this election.
  
  From that article.
  
  “There are currently 131 active cases of COVID-19 in New Zealand – 18 in managed isolation and quarantine facilities, one in Waikato and the rest in the wider Auckland area. ”
  
  The flu in 2017 had 180 per week in isolation in hospital. 18 for Covid??????? And hundreds or possible thousands of cases of the flu.
  
  NZ Covid-19: Storm in a C-Cup.
  
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  August 29, 2020 11:43am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_LHPOesjnM
It’s The Trump Party Now.

President Trump has made a few changes to the Republican Party.
They used to put up with attacks. No more. It has become attractive
To diverse people. It’s not the old rich white guys party now.
Some of them are leaving. Not so rich people are joining.
The GOP is evolving because of President Trump. Despite
Relentless attacks, President Trump does what he thinks is good for
America.
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August 29, 2020 11:20am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Just look at a ‘boatilla’
  
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  August 29, 2020 2:19pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCMePs15yFY
Goodbye BRI?

Scott Morrison is a competent PM. Pity NZ doesn’t have
one. The Morrison government has submitted a new
Foreign Relations bill. It allows the federal government to veto
CCP projects entered into by universities; or state and local governments.
Arrangements must be consistent with Australian foreign policy.
Inconsistent arrangements could be terminated. Previously,
state governments could make their own arrangements with
foreign countries. The Morrison government wants to revise
the lease of Darwins port to China for 99 years. Chinese
Influence runs deep in government, academic, industrial, and business
circles. The Morrison government is fighting an idealogical, and
strategic battle with China.
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August 29, 2020 11:20am
Catgurl13

The Herald today has a front page headline “Aucklanders should stay home!”…..with a photo of mission Bay and lots of people enjoying the sun……well fresh air and sunshine is best for health and well being……what diff is 2 days going to make when that MT Roskill mini cluster if sick people (600 under investigation in total) have been walking around infecting many in the community for the past 2 weeks???!!
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August 29, 2020 11:35am
Tall Man

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/covid-19-chartered-south-african-mercy-flight-denied-authorisation/

“and visa holders ” WTF? I thought it was citizens only collecting the free 2 weeks in the hotel.
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August 29, 2020 11:51am
Catgurl13

Another Herald non story about a “slave” comment to a person who pushed in line at a florist/garden centre. I would take that as the person being just a carrier of stuff for the person in front who pushed in. I wouldn’t take it for a racist comment as NZ is not America where we had no coloured slaves and slave owners anyway. Another little numpty running to the media about nothing wanting his 5 mins of Fame and wanting to ruin a business. Funny that whites get “white supremacist” comments thrown at us every day by the media and this current govt, accusing anyone white of this crime. But that’s ok.
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August 29, 2020 12:09pm
- Nermal
  
  People looking to be offended will find something, and will find a Stuff reporter to print it.
  
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  August 29, 2020 4:51pm
JibberJabber

The cure for TDS,
https://twitter.com/mad_liberals/status/1299144274571866112. ?
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August 29, 2020 12:20pm
RW Capitalist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA7sP47e8tA
Now here is the great communicator.
Eat you heart out Jacinda.
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August 29, 2020 12:24pm
oldfella

On Stuff…
So, a customer in a garden shop took umbrage at what I’m taking as a slightly stupid, off the cuff comment querying if a Māori man was another customer’s slave, saying the man’s shock was only a result of the Black Lives matter movement being ‘trendy’.
The customer, a school counsellor, said he thought about throwing all the pot plants on the floor, but rang Stuff instead. (As you would, being a grown-up school counsellor.)
After the encounter, the man was asked what some of his students might do in this situation. To which he replied…
“If someone else younger had to deal with the same situation it could have got quite violent.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300093997/slave-comment-in-hamilton-plant-store-no-joke
I despair…
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August 29, 2020 12:24pm
Jack5

Are the Woke out to forbid asking anyone where they are from?

It used to be, and for many still is, a friendly way of acknowledging that a person is a stranger, and even opening a conversation.

In the Wide aWoke Christchurch Press today, a non-white man grizzles about police reaction to a complaint he made.

In the report:

“His experiences involve people yelling at him in the street and strangers talking to him about his skin colour or asking where he’s from.”

This third point is the one that I question.

Are you not allowed to show interest in a person’s place of origin?

Are we Christchurch folk to classify every obvious foreigner as a Jaffa? Or is that the next target of the Woke.

Footnote: It was interesting to see in the report this:

“Islamic Women’s Council spokeswoman Anjum Rahman said the incident highlighted New Zealand’s ongoing racism issue, despite the response to the terror attack.”

If New Zealand’s so racist, it’s a wonder that the immigration rate has been so high that it’s sinking our GDP per capita.
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August 29, 2020 12:28pm
- cmm
  
  Yup, showing interest in a person is now hate speech.
  
  “Where are you from?” used to be an ice breaker. Now it’s a microagression.
  
  “I like what you’ve done with your hair.”
  “That colour looks good on you.”
  “Gee that smells good.” (food, not kiddy’s hair)
  “Hey is that baklava? I haven’t seen that in ages? Where did you buy it?”
  
  microagressions, all of them.
  
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  August 29, 2020 1:46pm
oldfella

Gotta love J.K. Rowling. A definitely leftie in most things, but she will not submit to cancel culture over her views on gender.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/300094555/jk-rowling-returns-human-rights-award-to-group-that-criticised-her-transgender-views
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August 29, 2020 12:38pm
- Inandout
  
  oldfella, she realises that cancel culture is doomed.
  
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  August 29, 2020 1:03pm
Fletch

13 new cases of Covid. 11 in the community.
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August 29, 2020 1:10pm
- SB2
  
  Gee Fletch, thats puny comapred to Trump’s MAGA,
  
  https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases
  
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  August 29, 2020 3:15pm
Maggie Pie

My partners just got back from seeing a client in Titters.
He was saying he drove past the ‘New Lynn Covid Testing Centre’ on the way home and couldn’t believe how long the queue of vehicles was. Reckoned by the look of the cars lined up there, it would make a great police sting operation, if they were looking for unwarranted cars, unlicensed drivers and overstayers.

Just saying.
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August 29, 2020 1:24pm
- Nickc2
  
  The coppers are more interested in imposing fines on people 1kph over the speed limit. Revenue collecting for the CoL.
  Oh, I forgot…………..and assisting Maori Militia managing their roadblocks.
  
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  August 29, 2020 1:42pm
waripori

11 cases in the community. If Auckland goes to level 2 Monday morning and the roadblocks come of it will make an absolute mockery of everything the country had put up with so far.
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August 29, 2020 1:26pm
- Prince
  
  Totally agree. What’s the point, when Aucklanders are being encouraged to fly around the country, the airplanes are full and extra ones being chartered ? So we can expect covid cases from Bluff to Whangarei in a couple of weeks, but it’s ok because ‘They have been Genome-linked to the Auckland cluster’. So what ? They are still Covid-19, and now they’re being spread around the country.
  
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  August 29, 2020 1:56pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  My sentiments exactly. I’ve just seen this tweet from political commentator and former National Party staffer in Parliament Ben Thomas which sums it up perfectly:
  
  Ben Thomas
  @BenThomasNZ
  Level 1:
  With 11 new cases, a still unexplained sub-cluster and a “yellow flag” mystery patient in ICU, will people finally get that level changes have always been political decisions guided by but not determined by health factors?
  1:22 PM · Aug 29, 2020
  
  https://twitter.com/BenThomasNZ/status/1299517791674851329
  
  To extend the Auckland Level Three lockdown now would be political suicide for the Government, so they have to hope they have the Auckland Cluster under control. However with the new Mt Roskill Evangelical Fellowship sub-cluster, and the calls for all pupils and staff at Mt Albert Grammar (+/- 3000 people) to be tested after a second patient at the school tested positive this week, that may be a vain hope.
  
  Ardern, Hipkins and co are playing a dangerous political game, which is some distance from the proclamations of “hard and early” from March. There’s a lot on the line, with the General Election still seven weeks away.
  
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  August 29, 2020 2:03pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Geez,
    if we are going to have to live with that ocontinuing transmission (in one small part of NZ)…..you’re going to wonder why the entire Nation was placed into Lockdown 4 and 3 for weeks when bugga-all or no community transmission was happening.
    
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    August 29, 2020 2:10pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Friends of ours are heading down to their fab bolthole at Lake Hayes on Monday for a couple of weeks holiday.
    Be interesting to hear what sort of reception they get from the locals 🙁
    
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    August 29, 2020 2:28pm
kowtow

Will our Media Pardy report the aggressive harassing/intimidation of attendees at the DC RNC by the ‘peaceful” protesters.
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August 29, 2020 1:47pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Like this, you mean?
  
  https://twitter.com/nieto_phillip/status/1299207662043828224
  
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  August 29, 2020 2:28pm
  - kowtow
    
    Yep.
    
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    August 29, 2020 4:27pm
Nickc2

The coppers are move interested in imposing fines on people 1kph over the speed limit. Revenue collecting for the CoL.
Oh, I forgot…………..and assisting Maori Militia managing their road blocks.
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August 29, 2020 1:58pm
I remember when

Want a 50 weeks year.
Sounds great and you get to travel overseas as well!
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August 29, 2020 2:24pm
I remember when

Love the new speed limits mushrooming up around the country, and in the cities.
Is the Government running short of money for safety barriers? Perhaps all the extra fine money is targeted for the building of more highways.
It has always been a pipedream to get a ticket for walking too fast.
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August 29, 2020 2:29pm
Rusty

What if there is a new spike of community transmission on monday after we go to level 2 in either Auckland or the rest of the country?

Does it mean we go back to level 3 or even 4 depending where it happened?

The govt has to draw the line somewhere on this on going or perceived covid-19 problem.

Either we live with it and accept certain groups in our communities are more likely to catch it,but let the rest of population get on with there daily lives.
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August 29, 2020 2:39pm
- cmm
  
  It has to be fair.
  
  Auckland has done its bit and Christchurch had Tarrant and the earthquakes.
  
  So if there is a need for more lockdowns then kindness demands that Wellington or Dunners will have to do it.
  
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  August 29, 2020 3:11pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Control. Jaspinda controls our daily lives, it gets votes from the sheeple
  
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  August 29, 2020 3:14pm
SB2

Fact check. Trump’s dumb claim that the rapid rise in Covid cases is due to more testing,,

CORONAVIRUS

No, President Trump, Testing Is Not Causing Case Counts to Rise. The Virus Is Just Spreading Faster.
The Trump administration has doubled down on its claims that coronavirus case counts are up because the U.S. has increased testing. However, a closer look at graphs of testing numbers and positive cases shows that this isn’t the case for many states.

https://www.propublica.org/article/state-coronavirus-data-doesnt-support-trumps-misleading-testing-claims
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August 29, 2020 3:11pm
- Fletch
  
  Actually, Covid cases have been dropping steadily in the last month.
  
  https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fcases-updates%2Fcases-in-us.html#trends
  
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  August 29, 2020 4:42pm
  - softail 1450
    
    Fletch, facts have never been important to SEPTICBOY.
    
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    August 30, 2020 7:19am
Local Miller

Are we coming out of Level 3 in Auckland? Given previous decisions made, how can this be? Now let me say up front that I’m not a believer in their city or countrywide lock down concept, but we need to look at the basis for previous decisions and the current situation to evaluate any new decision.
Jacinda (and let’s be honest, it was her decisions) locked Auckland down at level 3 and the rest of the country at level 2 on their basis of the most recent outbreak of the virus. Since lock down we have had at least 5, but typically 10 – 13 new cases every day. The consequence of this is that lock down was extended for a further 4 days. However in the past 3 days, with only 1 more day of stats to go, we are still seeing 10 – 13 new cases per day.
The question is the, does the PTPM continue the lock down since the situation hasn’t changed, and the conditions that Led to an extra 4 days still exist? Or does she allow for a reduction in levels?
If she does allow the level to be dropped, then why was the original 2 week stretch extended? You can’t have it both ways. If conditions haven’t changed she is forced to extend lock down again, or essentially admit the lock downs don’t work and the most recent lock down wasn’t needed, or at least the extra 4 days weren’t.
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August 29, 2020 3:57pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Well according to this Official full page notice in the Gisborne Herald tonight – Page 7.
  Auckland is coming out of Lockdown 3 at 11.59pm on Sun Night and joining the rest of NZ in Level 2.
  https://static.ew.ghe.navigacloud.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/08/30010311/200829GHc.pdf
  
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  August 29, 2020 4:15pm
  - Nickc2
    
    I tend to agree with Local Miller. If we (Auck) go to level 2 tomorrow night, it means the last Level 3 Lockdown in Auck and all associated loss of revenue etc has been for nothing.
    Cindy wouldn’t know about that though, she has never had a proper job, let alone own a business. She didn’t even know what GDP was for F sake when she was anointed PM.
    
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    August 29, 2020 4:40pm
- Catgurl13
  
  It does seem odd that we would be going down to L2 considering the cases are jumping quite alot each day and we have a new Mt Roskill church mini-mega cluster brewing???…..then they also said we will def be going down a level for sure on Mon?
  
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  August 29, 2020 4:52pm
- Wired-one
  
  We shouldn’t be coming out of lockdown if you base it on this inept governments own guidelines. But because people are starting to get pissy at Ardern this level 3 lockdown will surely end. These lockdowns have been politically motivated since day one. When are people going to wake up to that reality?
  
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  August 29, 2020 5:00pm
  - Nickc2
    
    I’ve been awake all the F-n time and agree with you. It’s not scientific, it’s political and Cindy has made it that way. COVID revisited has backfired on her and she deserves every bit of criticism she gets and more.
    
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    August 29, 2020 8:24pm
    - Cinematic
      
      You could have made a sciency sounding argument 3 months ago for lockdowns but not today.
      
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      August 29, 2020 10:09pm
- Honorary Kiwi
  
  https://theconversation.com/aucklands-rapid-lockdown-has-given-new-zealand-a-better-chance-of-eliminating-coronavirus-again-145011
  
  I offered this further up the thread.
  
  Here is the logic.
  
  To me it has one profound flaw all the testing you do in the first ten days is only telling you about pre lockdown outcomes. If you apply other logic used by A B you really need 28 days to knock a cluster on its head and the signs are this one is at best levitating.
  
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  August 29, 2020 5:34pm
Fletch

RNC ends with a rendition of Ave Maria.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V6X1tzOnlc
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August 29, 2020 4:30pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Wow, Look at Barron
  
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  August 29, 2020 6:20pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    The anchor baby?
    
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    August 29, 2020 6:51pm
lifesgood

Big anti lockdown and Jacinda march in Auckland today. “1,2,3,4, Get Jacinda out the door” chant. Oh dear. Bet it won’t make the TV news, though
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August 29, 2020 4:52pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  500 deluded souls do not make a ‘big march’.
  
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  August 29, 2020 5:58pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Oh, and it was covered on TVNZ, featuring your hero – Jami-Lee Ross
    
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    August 29, 2020 6:13pm
    - lifesgood
      
      Selectively covered. There fixed it for you.
      
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      August 29, 2020 6:50pm
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      Apparently, Jami-Lee Ross really likes sex – is sex a bad idea mike? Phone a friend if you’re not sure.
      
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      August 29, 2020 8:52pm
Wired-one

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/122604824/coronavirus-nearly-all-applications-for-managed-isolation-payment-waiver-approved

What was the bloody point. The overwhelming majority of those polled wanted returnees charged. Why the hell should I be paying for their return? Wake up NZ.
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August 29, 2020 4:57pm
- Hollyfield
  
  The point was that there were quite a few comments in the media that people should be paying, then National said they would charge returnees, it seemed popular with people, so Labour had to do something, so they announced it the next day.
  At the time it was clear when reading more than the headline that hardly anyone would be charged. A win-win for Labour – not charging people so returnees happy, and taxpayers think they’re not paying, so taxpayers are happy. The usual smoke & mirrors from this government.
  
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  August 29, 2020 6:27pm
Nickc2

Cindy has decreed that you must BE KIND. However, I’m on your side. She seems to forget, we don’t earn the same wage as her and what we pay in taxes, she is wasting. Get rid of her come the election if we are allowed to have one.
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August 29, 2020 5:28pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  You are so mean //
  
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  August 29, 2020 6:21pm
Maggie Pie

Just spent the usual $48 on My Lotto.
Hopefully those ‘Skripal poisoners’ don’t launch a cyber-attack like they did on our Stock Exchange 🙁
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August 29, 2020 6:25pm
Cobolt24

TVNZ 1 news was rather obnoxious tonight.
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August 29, 2020 6:33pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  You shouldn’t watch if it upsets you.
  
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  August 29, 2020 7:21pm
- Humble Capitalist
  
  Just the usual propaganda at six then
  
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  August 29, 2020 7:47pm
softail 1450

So it appears with the virus still active in Auckland that the last two and a half weeks of economic misery has been a total waste of time and hundreds of millions of dollars ,not to mention thousands of jobs that were already hanging by a thread.
Hasn’t our government done well again ?? I’ve got a good idea,lets vote them back into power so they can finish the great job they’ve done so far .
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  I think you should put a (sarc) following your last statement else you will have Stephie agreeing with you.
  
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