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Paulus Gnome

I am going to be a grandfather again in December. We are a grandparent to paraphrase a true iconic female leader.

We are naturally very pleased and a little bit surprised as people can be in such situations. Although it was expected, it was unexpected at the same time.

Does anyone know of someone else [Deleted – Mod]

[Mod – Congratulations on your impending arrival, but you know better than to encourage rumours]
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July 19, 2020 8:03am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Yes I heard that one as well Paulua, I know exactly what you’re talking about.
  
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  July 19, 2020 8:36am
- RJ
  
  Yeah, Winston Peters hostpial stay has finally been blown, Winston is pregnant.
  
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  July 19, 2020 8:49am
  - Tall Man
    
    Well he is certainly up himself.
    
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    July 19, 2020 9:40am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      You mean he’s finally taken my advice.
      To go screw himself.
      
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      July 19, 2020 11:41am
  - Colville
    
    I heard it was just bad constipation…from years of being totally full of shit.
    
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    July 19, 2020 10:50am
    - Nickc2
      
      So his verbal diarrhoea finally caught up with him? About bloody time.
      
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      July 19, 2020 1:22pm
  - Jimmy White
    
    I thought he was a Gelding
    
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    July 19, 2020 11:06am
  - Nutta
    
    Pregnant with a 14lb Karma-baby?
    
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    July 19, 2020 12:06pm
Aliog

Idly wondering whether Todd Muller was both the tallest and shortest leader of the National Party in history?
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July 19, 2020 8:05am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  He was very multi-dimensional, as he also fell the flattest. Did he even happen?
  
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  July 19, 2020 8:10am
- Biscuit
  
  Remember David Lange’s great quip after the diminutive Robert Muldoon was knighted in 1984?
  
  ‘After a long year we’ve got a very short knight…’
  
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  July 19, 2020 8:22am
JibberJabber

Thomas Sowell

The idea that taxpayers owe it to you to pay for what you want suggests that much of today’s education fails to instill reality, and instead panders to a self-centered sense of entitlement to what other people have earned.
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July 19, 2020 8:06am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Oh, feel the love…
  
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  July 19, 2020 8:27am
- kowtow
  
  The Neo Marxist Education system teaches that just about every “demographic” (apart from the mainstream ) is a victim of one sort or another , and as victims they are liable to be compensated in one form or another.
  
  That’s why so many are so keen to jump on one victim band wagon or another .
  
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  July 19, 2020 8:33am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    There is a proposal being seriously considered by some leaders in the US, for reparations to all blacks for slavery. The sum?
    
    $6, 200, 000, 000, 000, 000
    
    In English, 6.2 quadrillion dollars, aka more than 50 times the entire GDP of planet Earth. That is the level of insanity over there at the moment.
    
    Here’s an alternative perspective: how about all of the welfare, affirmative action programs and the fact that their ancestors get to live in one of the most prosperous societies the world has ever known? Sheeit.
    
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    July 19, 2020 9:01am
    - RJ
      
      Wonder when the reparations for white slavery will be announced
      
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      July 19, 2020 9:19am
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        The initial Crusades were, after all, in response to 400 years of Muslim barbarism and slave-taking of Europeans in the Mediterranean. Furthermore, it was other blacks who sold black slaves to the Americans and British. All societies until very recently practiced slavery, and it was typically vulnerable groups that fell victim to it, and was not principally a racial issue. The British and Americans were also the first (and possibly still the only) groups to legislate against slavery (circa 1830s and 1860s respectively). But these are inconvenient facts to the present-day brown people with a vendetta, and their idiotic white “allies.”
        
        Chattel slavery was of course immoral, but the selective re-writing of history doesn’t change the objectively verifiable history of the practice. The blacks don’t see slavery as universally egregious, but only egregious insofar as it happened to them. They’ll happily enslave white people if given the opportunity. Just look at the statements made by BLM members.
        
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        July 19, 2020 11:21am
      - Jack5
        
        Given how quickly the locals pick up on the no-platform, antifa, BLM type trends, when will someone claim damages for descendants of Maori slaves?
        
        All taxpayers would be up for the big compensation bill, just as they stumped up for damages to descendants of Moriori survivors of the Taranaki Maori raiders’ pre-Waitangi Treaty genocide and slavery in the Chatham Islands.
        
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        July 19, 2020 1:32pm
      - rouppe
        
        @Jack…
        
        I’m still trying to work out how to make a legal case for being annually tried, convicted and fined for crimes I didn’t commit. Nor any of my ancestors for that matter.
        
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        July 19, 2020 4:45pm
    - kowtow
      
      Any compensation proposed for the families of the Union soldiers who were killed and injured in the Civil War.
      
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      July 19, 2020 9:38am
    - cmm
      
      How about the fact that the slaves and their descendants ended up getting a good deal?
      
      Now before ya’all go off half-cocked about me condoning slavery – no that’s not the case. Slavery is a terrible business but has been part of human history forever and it is only colonialism that stamped it out.
      
      Here’s how slave trading worked:
      1) An African warlord conquers a village. Instead of killing the villagers he takes the able bodied into slavery (still kills all the oldies and youngsters though).
      
      2) He might enslave them for his own use (eg. like the Maori did, but with far less cannibalism) or if he can find a buyer he might sell them.
      
      3) The buyers were almost always Arab slave traders. Most of those slaves got a long march through the Sahara which killed most of them. Then what waited for them was a terrible and typically short life few left descendants.
      
      4) However some got traded to the Atlantic slave trade (mostly on-sold by the Arabs). Of those, only a small % ended up in USA the others ended up in the Caribbean, S America etc.
      
      5) Of all the people conquered by the warlords, those that ended up in USA, and their descendants, arguably got the best deal.
      
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      July 19, 2020 10:41am
  - artemisia
    
    I would tick the boxes of almost all ‘victims’. I was seriously lucky to have one parent that believed in and supported education and that made all the difference. Though straight into the workforce and night school after school. Along with a determination to always live within my (earned) means, however limited.
    
    The first is free. Or cheap enough if targeted where no parent is a believer. Let’s do this.
    
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    July 19, 2020 9:12am
- calendar girl
  
  JJ – and that tendency is not confined to today’s education. It extends also to many modern parental attitudes, as well as those of political commentators and mainstream ‘news’ media.
  
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  July 19, 2020 9:05am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Work ethic is being replaced with entitlement ethic. The only community where I don’t see that attitude: Asian immigrants. Strong work ethic and very set on kids’ education – they make sure it happens. Plus they only have as many kids as they can educate to the high standard they want.
    
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    July 19, 2020 11:04am
- C J Southern
  
  Reminds me of the modern day definition of democracy:
  
  “A system by which the poor majority vote that the rich minority much pay for everything”
  
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  July 19, 2020 10:57am
Souvlaki

I note the vocalised instruction from JC to her caucus to leave family out of political discourse in the forthcoming campaign. This is prudent advice!
Is this to “head off at the pass ” the current rumours…alluded to on talk back shows and dismissed as scuttlebutt or unrelated coincidence?
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July 19, 2020 8:07am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  This from cynical career politician who used her child as a political prop at the UN?
  
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  July 19, 2020 8:24am
  - john1234
    
    No. He’s talking about Collins, not Ardern.
    
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    July 19, 2020 8:50am
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      MY BAD! I have Ardern Derangement Syndrome. I shall give myself an uppercut immediately.
      
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      July 19, 2020 9:16am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Almost right chap, almost. He is referring to Adhern.
      
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      July 19, 2020 9:18am
  - pdm
    
    PG – and in Parliament.
    I seem to recall … [Deleted – show some respect to families. Mod.] sitting on Mallards knee in the Speakers chair – or was that someone elses?
    
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    July 19, 2020 9:06am
- Alex13
  
  Of course this is prudent advice! She doesn’t want anyone mention her efforts to promote her husband’s company while on a taxpayer-funded trip to China. Even John Key publicly declared that unpalatable.
  
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  July 19, 2020 4:26pm
Frank the tank

Can you all feel the fear dripping off the left wing luvvies this weekend – every left leaning troll has crawled out from under their rocks and made a ‘comment’ via a daily rag or blog on Judith..

It like the 9th floor phoned in a coordinated strike. Little do they know Judith loves the scrap.
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July 19, 2020 8:10am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Yes, the noise I hear has developed a different tone…
  
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  July 19, 2020 8:31am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Yep. What I found worse though and frankly unacceptable was that
  
  i) the Finance Minister texted a journalist ahead of an interview with Collins to give her a steer on questions, and
  ii) that said journalist publicly stated that the Finance Minister had texted her, quashing any notion of journalistic independence.
  
  Just as the Left claim that Michael Woodhouse should have told Michelle Boag to FO when she sent him confidential, personal health information, Tova O’Brien should have told the Finance Minister to FO, and stop trying to do her job for her.
  
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  July 19, 2020 8:36am
  - RJ
    
    We are seeing the past few days that the left are in true form to play there usual dirty campaign while proclaiming it was the other guy
    
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    July 19, 2020 8:42am
    - Tarquin North
      
      Tova has a job?
      
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      July 19, 2020 9:22am
      - alex Masterley
        
        who is this Tova person I keep hearing about?
        
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        July 19, 2020 10:25am
      - C J Southern
        
        @Tarquin North
        
        I’d best describe her as a cross between someone with the persitance of a deaf bull terrier defending a bone … and a stuck record.
        
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        July 19, 2020 11:07am
  - Tall Man
    
    Surely that is a breach of some standards somewhere.
    
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    July 19, 2020 9:53am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    Tova O’Brien is such a poor journo she needs all the help she can get. A lite weight.
    
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    July 19, 2020 10:15am
  - Sacha
    
    JC might well preface any interview with the question:
    Have you had any input from any Minister related to the questions you are going to ask me?
    
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    July 19, 2020 11:01am
  - rouppe
    
    Why would Tova O’Brien do that?
    
    Remember it was one of her colleagues who laid a honey trap for Peter Dunne.
    
    That’s how low they will go. Using information supplied by Grant Robertson is nothing compared to that. I do wonder, though, whether Tova’s disclosure was a slip up or a calculated move.
    
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    July 19, 2020 4:51pm
  - Scooter
    
    Can a complaint to laid to the broadcasting standards authority, or is that not their domain?
    
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    July 19, 2020 5:20pm
- Scott
  
  Frank the tank – I generally would agree with you that the mainstream media is going to attack Judith Collins. However I did note this article on stuff this morning –
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300059051/nationals-base-sound-familiar-note-on-jobs-and-economic-recovery
  
  So to be fair this is a positive article about Judith Collins. There are lots of negative articles around it but it is good that the mainstream media found something positive to say.
  
  For myself I think that Judith’s presentation of the infrastructure plan was great. She seems to be a happy warrior. The plan will appeal to thousands and thousands of people in middle New Zealand who want the government to concentrate on economic prosperity.
  
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  July 19, 2020 8:46am
  - Charmaine Hawke
    
    I think the happy warrior is a key contrast with the PM who looks more world weary every day. Who do you want leading you, someone who is your cheerleader telling you that you can do it on your own or a mother who tells you she will do it for you?
    
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    July 19, 2020 9:40am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Sad that the journalist or editor can’t spell though 🙁
    “Stuff caught up with voters in Canterbury to see whether the tumultuous events of the past few weeks would effect the way they vote.”
    
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    July 19, 2020 11:26am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Good article overall. Interesting point: lots saying how nice jacinda is and good in the covid crisis (I disagree) but they’re still voting national. All those polls re ‘preferred leader’ may have less effect on voters than feared.
    
    Judith has a good chance and has been taking the best line by not attacking Jacinda re covid response but focusing on national’s economic ability.
    
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    July 19, 2020 11:52am
- Justitia
  
  You should take a look at Jack Tame losing his rag in this morning’s Q&A interview with Judith Collins:.https://www.tvnz.co.nz/shows/q-and-a. He starts shouting over the top of Judith while declaiming the same bullshit question likely fed to him by Robbo, which she patiently responds to half a dozen times in plain language. It’s a repeat of O’Brien’s febrile performance yesterday. Any pretense to impartiality is now well and truly blown away. The media are Labour’s attack team. But they cannot land a blow on JC and their frustration is already apparent. This evening’s TVNZ “news” clip from Q&A will no doubt be heavily edited in Tame’s favour, as was O’Brien’s performance as presented yesterday on Newshub. We do not have Broadcasting standards anymore in this country. Taxpayers are being scammed to fund a far Left dirty tricks operation.
  
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  July 19, 2020 10:38am
  - G152
    
    Which is why our ‘media’ is known as fake news
    
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    July 19, 2020 10:57am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Sorry I can’t be bothered getting the app to watch this. What was the bullshit question?
    
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    July 19, 2020 11:55am
    - Justitia
      
      Tame’s question relates to funding for infrastructure in Auckland. Tame insists the light rail project was only going to cost $1.8 billion (the initially funded budget line). Judith points out correctly that the funding required in the out-years from NZTA for the project over the next ten years would be more than $6 billion which National will reallocate to other transport projects as part of its overall plan to relieve Auckland’s congestion. The witless Tame realizing he is exposed as a total lightweight starts shouting $1.8 billion over and over again. No doubt TVNZ is now preparing some specious response from Robbo for tonight’s fake news bulletin.
      
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      July 19, 2020 12:14pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Light rail was a joke–busses are their modern replacement.
        (Perhaps the Greenies could propose a return to horse drawn trams.)
        
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        July 19, 2020 2:14pm
      - V
        
        LOL, NZ the only country that still sits down at 6pm for their daily dose of fake news.
        Tame is a lightweight, thinks that a few years in NYC makes him a journalist. While he was over there he barely bothered to travel to where the actual news was happening.
        
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        July 19, 2020 3:31pm
      - rouppe
        
        And in the following interview with Winston Peters when he says ten billion, Jack Tame is silent instead of insisting its only 1.8B.
        
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        July 19, 2020 5:21pm
The Boss

You know you’re in trouble when Chloe Swarbrick polls higher than you for preferred PM: (Yabble: Seymore 3,2%, Swarbrick 1,4%, Peters 1,2%)
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July 19, 2020 8:12am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Boss, does your keyboard not have a full stop key?
  
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  July 19, 2020 8:38am
  - MaxG
    
    Are you suggesting it might be suffering from period poverty?
    
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    July 19, 2020 12:23pm
    - Nutta
      
      No, he’s just commatose…
      
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      July 19, 2020 3:59pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Healthy colons though.
        
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        July 19, 2020 4:17pm
I remember when

I find a lot of tattoos are ugly (to me) and don’t seem to say anything complimentary about the wearer.
Traditional tattoos on the other hand are acceptable but I wonder whether they fit into modern society.
Moko, I am conflicted about because facial tattoos are especially ‘out there’.
My worry is that they rather than saying who the person is they might restrict who the person can be.
Does it mean the wearer’s job options are reduced it they travel overseas?
Is it the difference between being globally relevant and being restricted to the local pond?
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July 19, 2020 8:13am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  I find the moko confrontational and threatening.
  
  I also find the fuckwits with full facial MMM, other gang insignia or full face tribal tattooing, confrontational, threatening and offensive.
  
  I don’t like the yummy mummy tramp stamp either. Not as confrontational and a bit more discreet perhaps, but ugly (to my mind)
  
  I don’t like tattoos. Change my mind.
  
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  July 19, 2020 8:37am
  - john1234
    
    Nope. I fully agree with you. Skin is a miracle of nature and looks best pristine.
    
    Tattoos are a mutilation.
    
    IMHO.
    
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    July 19, 2020 8:53am
    - namron
      
      I consider ALL tattoos and moko as “graffiti” and just as unnecessary and loathsome.
      So often the tattoo wearer can’t see their own graffiti
      which the rest of us have to tolerate.
      
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      July 19, 2020 10:13am
      - Fletch
        
        I have to agree. I don’t mind the occasional small piece on people, but a whole covering does indeed look like graffiti and I wonder why people do that to themselves. I also wonder what a lot of tattoo covering is going to look like in later years when skin gets wrinkly and baggy.
        
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        July 19, 2020 11:25am
      - Jack5
        
        Paulus says he finds a moko “confrontational and threatening.”
        
        I find moko interesting, and sometimes intriguing.
        
        Often I have felt like asking the wearer about a moko, and its significance, but can you do this politely, without being offensive or intrusive — without giving the wearer the impression you are being condescending or aggressive?
        
        How to start the moko conversation with a stranger? “Do you mind me asking about your moko?” ???
        
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        July 19, 2020 2:50pm
    - C J Southern
      
      By and large – by my observation – the number of tattoos on an individual are directly proportional to the insecurity and poor decision-making of the wearer.
      
      In 60 years I’ve never found anything so compelling that I want to have it permanantly inked onto my skin.
      
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      July 19, 2020 11:14am
  - lifesgood
    
    I immediately judge anyone with a tattoo. I don’t care who they are. I have never seen an attractive tattoo and I think anyone with one lacks good judgement. What looks great when you are 20 just looks sad and desperate when you are 60. Look at it this way, would anyone want to be seen in the clothes they wore at 20 when they are 60? Tramp stamps are so low class. Very judgemental of me, I know, but that’s how I see it.
    
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    July 19, 2020 9:00am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Yes, that soaring eagle on ones 20yr old skin looks like a sad vulture once 40 years have past. There’s good money in tattoo removal for that reason.
      
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      July 19, 2020 9:18am
      - sooty
        
        Personally, I like tattoos on other people.
        Instant ID, can’t hide now idiot!
        
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        July 19, 2020 10:13am
  - Ruahine
    
    I think of all the skin cancer that is likely to result with all the unnecessary chemicals being put into the skin.
    
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    July 19, 2020 9:19am
    - mark15
      
      Chinese white tattoo ink (where else would it come from?)= lead oxide.
      
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      July 19, 2020 10:56am
    - Flossie
      
      Oh I’ve never heard of a skin cancer link to tattoos. Do you have further info – websites or anything?
      
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      July 19, 2020 11:18am
      - tui47
        
        Not skin cancer. Lymphoma in a pretty much fully bodied tattooed individual was considered to be caused by the ink getting into the blood stream.
        
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        July 19, 2020 1:07pm
      - alloytoo
        
        I did hear a legitimate concern that excessive tattoos serve to hide skin cancer, mask them from detection.
        
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        July 19, 2020 4:11pm
  - lastmanstanding
    
    Always have a laugh when I see these Maori bints with scribble of their chins. So 19th Century.
    
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    July 19, 2020 10:17am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      They would have been women of high rank like Nanaia Mahuta
      
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      July 19, 2020 2:16pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Why should anyone bother to try and change your mind? Like them or don’t like them as you wish, it’s a free world (just), and it’s your personal opinion.
    
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    July 19, 2020 10:41am
  - cmm
    
    I’ve been told by two different Maori people that the Moko is only allowed to be worn by nobility and by those who have earned it in battle and granted permission.
    
    Any arbitrary wearing of the moko should be considered stolen valor like wearing medals you’re not entitled to.
    
    I’m just a gullible pakeha so what do I know.
    
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    July 19, 2020 10:48am
    - Sacha
      
      That’s what I was told as a child. I’ve always had the feeling that moko were ‘given’ as a mark of respect.
      We lived near a marae and there were 2 very old ladies with chin moko who used to sit regally on the front of the meeting house.
      They were treated with great respect by Maori and Europeans alike, I think because of their actions during the 1924/18 war and their tangis were huge and attended by everyone from far and wide.
      
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      July 19, 2020 11:16am
    - ngatimozart
      
      The moko is your identity and whakapapa. However you had to to be granted approval to start wearing one. Today it varies. In my family if a wahine wants a moko she must ask a kuia for permission and likewise a guy a kaumatua. You have to show that are practicing the culture and it’s not just a whim. These days they are just tattooed, but in the old days they were carved into the face. Bugger that.
      
      I know some people find them confronting, and yes some of the gangbangers having distinctive facial tattoos does illustrate a lack of intelligence, but moko are part of who we are as Maori.
      
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      July 19, 2020 12:52pm
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        I respect the practice of moko, as they are indeed “part of who [you] are as Maori.” What I reject is when someone with a moko tells me that everything that is “part of who [I am] as a European” is in contrast self-evidently intrinsically nefarious, done in bad-faith, and not worthy of respect. To demand respect of one’s culture without any reciprocity is itself not worthy of my respect.
        
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        July 19, 2020 1:50pm
      - V
        
        ‘Practicing the culture’ is a little loosly defined isnt it? I’m not seeing too many commuting by waka for example.
        
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        July 19, 2020 3:39pm
  - IC5000
    
    > I find the moko confrontational and threatening.
    
    Then immigrate back to your own country then. Why should we native born kiwis put up with attitudes of those migrants unwilling to assimilate into our culture and complain. Nobody forced you to come here.
    
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    July 19, 2020 12:46pm
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Born here arsehole, I am a New Zealander.
      
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      July 20, 2020 9:09am
- kowtow
  
  If a “traditional” tattoo or moko have not been applied using “traditional” methods are they really traditional and authentic as the wearer wants us to believe?
  
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  July 19, 2020 9:02am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Exactly. A tattoo gun would be like, cultural appropriation, or something else woke . . .
    
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    July 19, 2020 9:22am
  - Cassandra
    
    Of course they are not. The wearer will argue differently, but part of the statement is that the wearer withstood the process. Having it done electrically and hygienically degrades the symbol to a token. May as well wear a bone pendant.
    
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    July 19, 2020 9:34am
  - Tall Man
    
    No, just visual virtue signalling.
    
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    July 19, 2020 9:56am
    - david
      
      It is to me a reminder of a “culture” that had no written language so kept its history with engraved symbols.
      It is also a reminder that a fair few people have rejected the advantages of a proper education and cannot bear to effectively use pen and paper to record important family information.
      
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      July 19, 2020 11:03am
- Unity
  
  I detest tattoos especially facial ones. They make the wearer look aggressive and I just can’t take anyone wearing a facial one seriously. Surely facial tattoos belong in the past. They look totally inappropriate/ ridiculous in today’s world. I thought only those higher up the social scale could wear a facial tattoo all those years ago. Perhaps I’m wrong or maybe the current wearers feel higher up the social scale??!!
  
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  July 19, 2020 9:24am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Well, free society. But looking at the old Goldie paintings gives me a very different feeling from facial tattoos these days.
    
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    July 19, 2020 12:04pm
    - ngatimozart
      
      @ClassicLiberal The Goldie ones are good but the Gottfried Lindauer ones are better. He painted a lot of Maori when he was in Auckland including my great great grandfather. He brings out the characters of the subjects very well and the three dimensional aspects of the moko.
      
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      July 19, 2020 1:00pm
- KH
  
  Tattoos are loathsome to me. Including cultural. Face tattoo even more so.
  
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  July 19, 2020 2:21pm
- V
  
  Each to their own on that front, just don’t expect to get a huge Moko and then work as flight attendant on the Japan route.
  
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  July 19, 2020 3:32pm
Yvette

“We don’t need a PM like Judith with her legacy of dirty politics scandals, and we don’t need a PM who has a very casual attitude towards the Treaty and comes up with ridiculous lines like ‘is there something wrong with me being white’,” Jackson wrote on Facebook on Saturday.
“She knows how stupid and racially divisive that comment is but she says it deliberately to attract the anti-treaty, anti-Māori right-wing vote.
“The ironic part, of course, is that she is not a raving racist or redneck but more the politician who will do anything and say anything to get her team across the line.” – Labour MP Willie Jackson has gone for Judith Collins’ jugular in a savage Facebook post, accusing her of making “racially divisive” remarks to get “anti-Māori” votes [1]

“The things we dislike most in others are the characteristics we like least in ourselves.” – Marian Keyes
Likewise, Carl Jung said, “Everything that irritates us about others can lead us to an understanding of ourselves.”

So Willie Jackson gets it, but not yet to the extent that it benefits himself.
Free Willie.

[1] https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/07/willie-jackson-goes-for-judith-collins-jugular-over-racially-divisive-remarks.html
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July 19, 2020 8:16am
- G152
  
  Jackson doesn’t want to lose his comfy lifestyle and pay packet.
  So he uses racism to accuse others of racism.
  Sad really when he could be working for his voters to better their conditions rather than attack some-one who barely acknowledges his existance
  
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  July 19, 2020 8:32am
  - Mobile Michael
    
    Simon Bridges and Paula Bennett were not Maori enough for Jackson. He’s basically saying if you aren’t voting Labour you can’t be Maori.
    
    Just who is the racist here?
    
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    July 19, 2020 11:35am
    - Nickc2
      
      He’s using Joe Biden’s line (unless you vote Democrat, you aint Black). He’s too dumb to think it up for himself.
      
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      July 19, 2020 1:14pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Is that the same Willie Jackson who claimed the victims of the Roastbusters asked for it, or that Paula Bennett didn’t know if she was Maori, and that Dan Bidois was Italian?
  
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  July 19, 2020 8:32am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    He has mixed up Dan Bidois for Winston Peters.
    
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    July 19, 2020 8:37am
- oldpark
  
  @Yvette 8.16 am
  Willie Who ?
  
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  July 19, 2020 8:57am
  - Lance
    
    Willie B Out on his ear 2020
    
    Bah boom!
    
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    July 19, 2020 10:49am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The small lap poodle attacks the Alsatian. The taller he stands the easier to bite his head off–yucky really, a clown with vitriol, no sense and barks to order.
  
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  July 19, 2020 9:06am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Sorry Willie, but posting on FB is not “going for the jugular” it’s preaching to your own choir and is about as effective as “signing” FB and other online petitions. Nobody cares.
  
  If Willie really wanted to go for the jugular he’d say it to her face, but of course he’s too scared, the gutless weasel.
  
  And is this the same Willie that leapt to Judith’s defence when she said she was a “woman of colour – white”? Can’t quite make your mind up, can you Willie?
  
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  July 19, 2020 10:44am
- KH
  
  “is there somthing wrong with me being white?” Well yes. According to lots of commentary.
  Willie would be better off barking at such commentators.
  
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  July 19, 2020 2:25pm
Chris Peace

Idly wondering why [Deleted – Mod]

[Mod – rumours about MP’s and their families are off limits. This is your one warning]
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July 19, 2020 8:19am
- Tall Man
  
  Yet all the lefties are free to speculate and rumour monger as much as they like. Attacks on Muller, Bridges, Collins, Key et al were an almost daily occurrence.
  
  We all know the stories and while irrelevant they do show the real character of the coalition
  
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  July 19, 2020 9:37am
  - Sacha
    
    I am having fun on FB. I have 2 Labour supporting friends, and they are spreading all the anti National article/photos that they can find.
    But I have started keeping the full articles from which they take their quotes, and by giving the full context and asking why they only quote part of the article, they have withdrawn the posting rather than try and argue.
    If they would argue/discuss, it would be fine, but they only want to sling the dirt (which is really more like dust) and they run away rather than risk it blowing back into their eyes.
    
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    July 19, 2020 11:26am
    - Paulus
      
      Sorry to miss all this slinging but do not have Facebook or Twitter – my business is mine.
      Except Kiwiblog I have no interest in any others.
      
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      July 19, 2020 2:23pm
  - Albert_Ross
    
    And don’t we want to be better than them?
    
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    July 19, 2020 11:28am
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      We can be better than them, or we can beat them. Does anyone (other than the Left themselves) really think that they are in any way concerned about what is “right” or what is “wrong”? They don’t even believe in objective truth.
      
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      July 19, 2020 12:00pm
Simon

Where we are now: at this point, it will be almost impossible for Trump to win reelection legitimately. It’s quite possible, however, that he will try to steal the election. And if you don’t think that can happen, you’re not paying attention 1/

Paul Krugman – twitter

When Trump wins again -easily, the reaction from the left will be violence, hatred & destruction.
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July 19, 2020 8:19am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  Propaganda. Is that the same Paul Krugman who was an economist but is now a journalist?
  
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  July 19, 2020 8:36am
  - curry4me
    
    The Proper Ghandi: For a thorough education in the dismal art, ust read everything by Krugman, and assume the opposite.
    
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    July 19, 2020 1:10pm
- Scott
  
  Simon – totally agree. The only thing I would say is that the reaction from the left has been violence and hatred and destruction since Trump became president. In fact even before that they were hating on him.
  
  One wonders how much the violence and looting and rioting and smashing statues is a temper tantrum designed to bring down the president?
  
  Since the beginning of his presidency the left have tried to incite chaos and bring him down. We had the Russian conspiracy hoax. We had the Ukraine impeachment hoax. Now we have the virus where you have to do stay inside apart from if you are going to a black lives matter rally. Then it’s perfectly fine.
  
  Now we have rioting and looting and people who seem to hate their own country.
  
  Given all this turmoil I believe that if Trump focuses on what won him the last election, fair trade deals, looking after the workingman, economic prosperity, he can win again.
  
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  July 19, 2020 8:42am
  - Fletch
    
    This is indeed analogous to when the first Republican, Lincoln, won as president, and the Democrats seceded from the Union and began the Civil War because they would not give up slavery.
    
    They would not accept Lincoln as president, and never did. What we have now is almost another civil war because the Dems will not accept Trump. Instead of guns and bullets they have attacked him (and anyone who dares wear a MAGA hat) with the media, false allegations of conspiring with Russia and the Ukraine, and anything else they can throw at him, including tabloid books by relatives and attempts via medical reports and tax returns.
    
    Make no mistake – this is another bloodless civil war. And if Trump loses, America will fall. Just look at Biden’s agenda. Open borders, defunding the police, carbon free energy, etc. It would be a disaster.
    
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    July 19, 2020 11:33am
    - Batman
      
      You’re excelling yourself in the niche category of self-serving perversions of history.
      
      Trump is a dumb, narcissistic, incurious, venal, petty old man who clings to the world of the 1950s as the ideal.
      
      Luckily since his numbers are currently worse than McGovern’s at the same point in 1972, we won’t need worry about him after January.
      
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      July 19, 2020 11:56am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Sure bruh, ok.
        https://tennesseestar.com/2020/07/12/shock-poll-shows-trump-on-track-to-win-reelection/
        
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        July 19, 2020 12:10pm
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        By many measures, the 1950s in America was the ideal. The post war optimism, unprecedented prosperity, an exploding middle class that had never existed before, full employment, and prior to the cultural texture being besmirched by mass immigration. Some resentful people hated that, so they set about destroying it all.
        
        Actually come to think of it, the 175os were probably even better in many respects. Before the Leftist French Revolution and the consequent pivot away from the objectivism and rationality of the Enlightenment, towards the anti-reason and subjectivism of the Post Enlightenment era and beyond. Our current political milieu is directly traceable to Paris in 1789. The Americans went the right way in 1776; the French went the wrong way 13 years later.
        
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        July 19, 2020 12:13pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Remember all those morons who held up articles from the New York Times as being ‘evidence’?
        https://justthenews.com/accountability/russia-and-ukraine-scandals/just-released-trump-russia-documents-show-anti-trump
        
        Good times eh
        Lol
        
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        July 19, 2020 12:20pm
      - IC5000
        
        > we won’t need worry about him after January.
        
        Never underestimate the stupidity of the fanatic.
        
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        July 19, 2020 12:48pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Luckily we don’t underestimate the stupidity of NZ First supporters.
        Fortunately they’re shrinking in numbers.
        #1.5%
        
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        July 19, 2020 1:50pm
      - kloyd0306
        
        The polling in the US in Nov 2016 was accurate.
        The polling in Australia in May 2019 was accurate.
        The polling in the UK in Dec 2019 was accurate.
        Not!
        Only if you’re batty……
        
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        July 19, 2020 2:45pm
      - Alex13
        
        Your unkind words characterizing Trump’s personality are close to the truth. The problem is that Biden & Co. are going to be much worse for the country (and for the rest of the world).
        
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        July 19, 2020 4:43pm
- marcw
  
  You have to wonder if JA is beaten in our elections this year, the amount of vitriol and abuse on social media we have now could easily be transformed into violence and destruction here too. It’s a lefty mindset, and the Police have set the precedent of “hands off” the tribal protesting.
  
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  July 19, 2020 10:08am
  - rockape
    
    Do you think Judith Collins will allow the police to continue with that mindset?
    
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    July 19, 2020 10:21am
  - Inandout
    
    marcw, the Labour hornets are on attack but thankfully many voters are too busy with making a living to worry about social media, especially the poison Twits.
    
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    July 19, 2020 10:23am
  - tui47
    
    I think the left will start behaving like the Democratic Party supporters did when Trump was elected. They would be outraged if Jacinda lost because it would most likely mean the end of politics in NZ for her. I think they will become even more viscous and feral they already are. I think it is possible they would protest on the streets about rigged elections and target those they know are right leaning. I think all hell is likely to be released.
    
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    July 19, 2020 1:13pm
- kloyd0306
  
  …..and Krugman’s credibility is………zero.
  
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  July 19, 2020 10:08am
Tauhei Notts

I think media advisers tell aspiring politicians to never ever answer a question with a yes or a no.
Judith Collins has moved away from that advice, AND I think Joe Public will appreciate it.
There is a straight up honesty about her that is inspiring.
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July 19, 2020 8:20am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  “Never use a long word where a short one will do. If it is possible to cut a word out, always cut it out. Never use the passive where you can use the active. Never use a foreign phrase, a scientific word, or a jargon word if you can think of an everyday English equivalent.” George Orwell
  
  This is sound advice when striving for clarity. Hence the opposite approach is used when obfuscating and dissembling (or should I say, lying).
  
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  July 19, 2020 8:45am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    One could call it circumlocution; others would call it verbosity; but in my Google dictionary there is a four letter word that has two meanings; the first is the female genitalia; the second is contemptible person.
    I will always refer to Winston Peters as a contemptible person and to hell with verbosity.
    
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    July 19, 2020 9:45am
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      Indeed. I was circumlocuted as an infant.
      
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      July 19, 2020 12:15pm
      - IC5000
        
        [Deleted – Discuss the post and drop the personal abuse. Mod.]
        
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        July 19, 2020 2:15pm
- Sacha
  
  I hope that she will settle down – revelling in her position is fine for a few days – but risks descending into Smart Aleck-ery.
  Just saying –
  
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  July 19, 2020 11:31am
fightingtemeraire

In this country MPs and particularly PMs families have been kept in the background and only trotted out on special occasions like Party Conferences of Election Night or when accompanying the PM on Important Occasions like State Visits etc.

Unfortunately the present incumbent has made her Family front and centre,

I trust soon the situation wiil return to what is was pre Ardern.
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July 19, 2020 8:36am
- Flossie
  
  Same family that the Speaker of House threatened anyone photographing said family with all kinds of punishments?
  Personally I would prefer never to see such pics (however “cute”).
  
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  July 19, 2020 9:22am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Yes totally agree. It is a good thing in New Zealand politics that politicians and the media do not go after the families of their opponents. It was disappointing that the children of John Key were attacked including by a rap singer who talked about rape.
  
  Of course this goes both ways. If you are the partner of a political leader, and you post comments on social media promoting that person or defending them, then you have joined the fray and you are fair game in my opinion.
  
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  July 19, 2020 9:56am
Maggy Wassilieff

120 years of heavy rain events affecting Northland

https://hwe.niwa.co.nz/search/summary/Startdate/01-01-1900/Enddate/19-07-2020/Regions/Northland/Hazards/Heavy+Rain/Impacts/all/Keywords/none/numberOfEvents/20/page/1
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July 19, 2020 8:40am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  One item in detail…
  https://hwe.niwa.co.nz/event/December_1934_Northland_Flooding
  
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  July 19, 2020 8:44am
  - Ruahine
    
    According to a bright young thing I was talking to yesterday all this heavy rain that occurred in Northland is new to the world and is caused by Climate Change.
    I think I will suggest to her that a career in Journalism might be an ideal occupation.
    
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    July 19, 2020 9:29am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Yes – that NIWA list of weather events is sobering. It would be interesting to assign a severity rating to each event and analyse the distribution over the 20th and 21st centuries. My quick browse suggests that the weather events in the first half of the 20th century were markedly more severe than the events we see today. The 1936 storm seemed to be terrifying.
      
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      July 19, 2020 10:31am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      There was whangarei flooding in shops back in the 1950s. Climate change?
      
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      July 19, 2020 12:15pm
  - Ruahine
    
    You do great work Maggy.
    
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    July 19, 2020 9:47am
  - Doc Holliday
    
    There is in science such a thing as attribution studies.
    
    Well beyond you.
    
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    July 19, 2020 10:30am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Lol
      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=idMa4a6eA9M
      
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      July 19, 2020 11:01am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      The thing is Dennis, I’m a little old lady in the boondocks without access to NZ’s fastest, most expensive computer, but I can still detect bullshit from a 100 paces.
      
      And empiricism trumps divination in the science game.
      
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      July 19, 2020 11:08am
      - sooty
        
        You go girl!
        
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        July 19, 2020 6:55pm
Durden

Hmmmm. Andrea Vance attributes some quotes to key Nats while shielding the millenial ratfuckers and their enablers.

Wonder how much of the literal stuff between ” ” came from the keyboard and her fevered imagination rather than from the horse’s mouth.

If what she says is true, then some of the high placings clearly follow the dictum “keep your enemies closer still”.

Kaye and Adams have voluntarily thrown in the towel. Seems that a few more need to be publicly executed — politicians and backroom flunkies getting too big for their boots.

As for Hooton being retained, Collins will soon find out that opinionators are not reliable or consistent. If challenged they will always have another opinion. With the contract problems he had with National’s Christchurch Recovery programme that he publicly railed about at that time, he desperately seems to want revenge (Saunders and Unsworth ?), and work. Pretty sure he and Brownlee will have to come to an understanding if he is to remain there long.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/122163895/better-the-devil-you-know-the-inside-story-of-how-judith-collins-became-nationals-leader
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July 19, 2020 8:42am
- lifesgood
  
  Hmmmm! I wonder who the leaker is? I’ve always said Hooten runs with the hares and hunts with the hounds. Don’t trust him at all. When he was a media commentator on RNZ, supposedly from the right, he bagged National more often than not
  
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  July 19, 2020 9:06am
- DeepBlue
  
  Hooten will stay until 20 September. He knows too much to be pushed earlier.
  
  Now is his chance to demonstrate to Judith he is trusted, adds value and deserves to be in the DPMC.
  
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  July 19, 2020 9:30am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I think you mean PMO. The DPMC is confined to public servants.
    
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    July 19, 2020 11:24am
- sooty
  
  How do we know that Kaye and Adams volunteered to go?
  
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  July 19, 2020 10:20am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    If you listened to Colin Peacock on Mediawatch this morning, you would have some insight as to the techniques reporters have been employing to get a hit on National’s MP.
    
    Stuff reporters staring into Nikki Kaye’s living room early Tuesday morning and reporting minute detail as to what she was doing and what lay on the table.
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/2018755418/bolts-from-the-blues
    (from 9:10 in)
    
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    July 19, 2020 11:25am
    - lifesgood
      
      That’s disgusting! I don’t blame Nikki for getting out if that sort of intrusion by these low rent reporters is what she had to put up.
      
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      July 19, 2020 11:35am
- bruceavon
  
  Not sure why Hooton has been retained. He was brought in and put in charge during Todd Mullers brief but chaotic time in charge. The biggest errors were ones with PR and the media. The whole email leak fiasco was very badly handled. All of the crisis stuff was. I have always liked his commentary but when he was invited to actually participate he blew it.
  
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  July 19, 2020 10:40am
Yvette

• ”None of my ministers have been screwing up – none of my ministers have had to be sacked” – Winston
Jacinda Ardern is asking voters not to “punish” her for remarks by New Zealand First MP Shane Jones, described as “racist” by New Zealand’s Indian community and the Race Relations Commissioner. My message to voters is this: in election year, the power now sits with you – you determine who is able to form governments and you have it within your power to decide what you make of those remarks.

• Peters said the current state of politics in New Zealand is “unbelievable. There has been chaos everywhere.” and “Every decision we make from here on in will require something called experience – serious experience.”
Experience – like being able to successfully fill out a superannuation application form or know exactly who you suing when you take them to court?
How many times has Winston struck out Little at the 11th hour, like Little’s three strikes law change, or 11th hour consultation on policy, like the capital gains tax, or Ihumātao.

• When Jacinda Ardern, as preferred Prime Minister, is on 60.8%, why is the man who made her Prime Minster, Winston Peters, on 1.2% ?
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July 19, 2020 8:52am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Mister 1,2%– just in time for the SFO to yank him off the playing field.
  
  What about the great electoral fraud of paying the media $50m?
  
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  July 19, 2020 9:12am
Maggy Wassilieff

Great headline:
Astronomy school loses first star

https://www.waateanews.com/waateanews/x_news/MjUwMTQ/Paakiwaha/Astronomy-school-loses-first-star

Tho’ it is probably more accurate to describe the wananga as an Astrology school:
The wānanga will teach the role of tohunga kokorangi, the traditional astronomers who interpreted messages from the stars for their people.
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July 19, 2020 8:53am
- surfing
  
  Imagine if universities stopped teaching astrophsyics in favour of neanderthal sky science.
  
  It would be a good way for a maori lecturer to pull in a decent amount of cash in return for sitting in a lecture room talking trash with students.
  
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  July 19, 2020 9:01am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    So the status quo will be maintained then?
    
    There is a position for Jackson post the September fisting?
    
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    July 19, 2020 9:30am
  - Tarquin North
    
    Already happened, it’s called Waikato Uni. Dear leader is a shining example of what it has become.
    
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    July 19, 2020 9:35am
  - Ash
    
    Dont they teach Womens Studies? Same thing.
    
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    July 19, 2020 9:44pm
- surfing
  
  “Mr Lambert will lead a wānanga in Auckland next week organised by Māori housing advocacy group Te Matapihi, where he intends to discuss the connections between Māori architecture and the wharenui of the heavens.
  
  “The heavens are actually split up into a wharenui. You’ve got the stars in the south, Te Tai Tonga, you’ve got the stars in the north that are always in the north and you’ve the stars on the eastern and western elevations that come out of the rua and so we’re going to talk about that and the work continues,” Mr Lambert says.”
  
  Who pays for this shit? Stars in the north, stars in the south… go do something useful dude.
  
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  July 19, 2020 9:08am
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘the wharenui of the heavens.’
    
    This mixing of Maori and English is becoming quite common.
    Shall we call it ‘Minglish’?
    
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    July 19, 2020 10:25am
    - Ruahine
      
      Yes. Especially if there is some Mandarin as well.
      
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      July 19, 2020 11:15am
    - Jimmy White
      
      Super Rugby Aotearoa
      
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      July 19, 2020 11:23am
    - tavita
      
      Call it cultural appropriation, Call it racism (we talk baby talk to babies because they don’t understand big words). Call it white superiority syndrome (we will use some of your words because you have difficulty understanding ours) or call it show off virtue signaling (I can empathize better than you).
      
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      July 19, 2020 9:11pm
    - Christopher Thomson
      
      Pidgin.
      
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      July 19, 2020 11:22pm
    - Debsta
      
      Manglish would be more appropriate
      
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      July 20, 2020 9:09am
  - Nickc2
    
    What a load of crap! Is this stuff indirectly funded by the Maori Bank – WINZ?
    
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    July 19, 2020 10:30am
  - cmm
    
    “Who pays for this shit?”
    
    Do you really need to ask?
    
    Hint: Your wallet just got a bit lighter.
    
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    July 19, 2020 10:55am
  - tf78
    
    I think they’re thinking of the big red shed Warehouse.
    
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    July 19, 2020 6:43pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Tohunga were gifted, tribaly trained, accredited and recognised experts not people with supermarket diplomas.
  
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  July 19, 2020 9:17am
  - Tall Man
    
    “Were”.
    
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    July 19, 2020 9:58am
  - sooty
    
    First star, shooting star or falling star?
    
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    July 19, 2020 10:24am
- Master Mariner
  
  Yep Following this with astonishment and amusement.
  What a load of nonsense. And to be bribed large amounts of tax payer money for this garbage is beyond belief.
  Super interested what nonsense they come up with for “Traditional Navigation” as there is none.
  Talk about Baffle with Bullshit.
  
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  July 19, 2020 10:28am
- Inandout
  
  Maggy, how can you seriously listen to this stuff coming from a culture that couldn’t even build a road, let alone invent a wheel. I was watching a Simon Whistler video about how Romans 2,000 years ago built magnificent roads, let alone their huge centrally heated buildings. Accept it, the Maori culture was stone age basic.
  
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  July 19, 2020 10:29am
  - IC5000
    
    How did they manage to traverse the pacific oceans then if they were just Stone Age simpletons?
    
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    July 19, 2020 2:20pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      They built boats and got lucky. But how many times did they manage to get people in numbers to New Zealand?
      
      After being here for 700 years, there was no written language, no metallurgy, no transport, and no functioning society. There was warring tribes and cannibalism, and slavery – that does not get talked about much in the woke circles. It was not pretty. Plus they wiped out their main protein source, the Moa because they had no chance of cooperating to use that resource sustainably.
      
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      July 19, 2020 5:56pm
      - sooty
        
        Outboard motors!
        
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        July 19, 2020 7:00pm
    - tavita
      
      Some accounts conclude that there were seven canoes. Maybe seven got lucky – who knows how many were lost at sea;
      
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      July 19, 2020 9:19pm
    - Ash
      
      Wooden boats. We know how many arrived. But how many left? And where did they come from. The mark of a navigator is that they can describe the route, then follow it. If you can’t retrace your route, then you actually got to where you are by accident.
      
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      July 19, 2020 9:57pm
Flossie

Jack Tame with JC. As expected.
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July 19, 2020 9:24am
- lifesgood
  
  Didn’t see it. Did she put the little twerp in his place?
  
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  July 19, 2020 11:38am
  - Flossie
    
    He spent half the interview repeating his same question… his voice getting a tad higher pitch as he wasn’t getting the “admission” he wanted. Judith held her own very calmly.
    
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    July 19, 2020 12:12pm
    - lifesgood
      
      I’ve just watched it online. Poor wee Jackie, almost hysterical. The high pitched voice of desperation. Judith, cool, calm, collected and with facts and figures at her fingertips. Go Judith, that was a masterclass in how to deal with media scum.
      
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      July 19, 2020 1:46pm
RJ

The immature left are out and about this election

National MP Chris Bishop’s hoardings destroyed within a day of going up
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July 19, 2020 9:32am
- sooty
  
  Along with labours deviants caught red handed and on camera in Auckland.
  
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  July 19, 2020 10:25am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Terrible. And I would condemn any politician being targeted like that.
  
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  July 19, 2020 10:32am
Happychappy

It obvious that Winston Peters rates himself above all other MP’s in Parliament with his statement that he can’t believe the state of NZ Politics
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12349071
This from the most dishonest MP to grace the steps of Parliament and even now under investigation for the NZ First Foundation and who and where the money came from, NZ can do without this the scourge of NZ Politics being re- elected to Parliament and stop the reputation of some that are paid for policy in NZ Politics.
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July 19, 2020 9:35am
- oldfella
  
  So Winston can’t believe the state of NZ politics. Really? What about this story?
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/shows/2020/07/bad-boys-of-brexit-confirm-contract-with-nz-first-promise-winston-on-steroids.html
  Winston at first denied it, but now we have proof NZF is getting ready for a dirty election campaign – to be waged by NZF. Pity Jack Tame didn’t find a few minutes to grill Winnie about it this morning on Q&A.
  
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  July 19, 2020 12:42pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Q & A. Now that Judith and Winstone have gone, Jack has stopped interviewing himself. Fran and some labour sycophant get free speech
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July 19, 2020 9:49am
- BeeJay
  
  Loved it when JC called him “Jame“!
  
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  July 19, 2020 9:53am
  - Paul Marsden
    
    ‘Lame’ would be more appropriate.
    
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    July 19, 2020 12:21pm
RJ

Typical of a government who claims it is wanting to support New Zealand businesses but doesn’t. It then again our govt was so incompetent it was up to a few wealthy people to buy several plane loads of equipment for our medical sector.

A Nelson medical supplies maker producer says he is disappointed the Government has not responded to his offer to supply personal protective equipment for New Zealand’s Covid-19 response at a time when the world was crying out for it.

Stuff Article
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July 19, 2020 9:53am
- cmm
  
  The problem is that those wealthy people are well connected and influential and many of the people that could be making and doing things are not.
  
  The hassle is that it is almost impossible to find anyone to talk to. MoH has no contact path. SO who do you turn to?
  
  THis needs to be fixed for the next crisis.
  
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  July 19, 2020 11:43am
lastmanstanding

Message to all those blokes who live in the leafy suburbs of Ak/Wgtn/CCH/Dun.

Make sure your missus votes Party vote Nats NOT Green. Unless they want to pay a shit load more tax.
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July 19, 2020 9:55am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  And have bike tracks everywhere instead of proper roads.
  
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  July 19, 2020 10:07am
MCos

I thought this was amusing
https://twitter.com/david_cormack/status/1283592811426639872?s=21
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July 19, 2020 9:59am
- david
  
  Also amused at Laila Harre commenting about her partner when I had understood that she and Hooten were an item. Girl gets around it seems.
  
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  July 19, 2020 11:21am
  - Batman
    
    They’re friends of sorts. Never an item though.
    
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    July 19, 2020 11:45am
Wired-one

https://i.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/300056583/mel-gibson-has-a-new-movie-out-please-dont-watch-it

I absolutely loathe all this cancel culture rubbish. Everything that seems to piss the average kiwi off these days, stems from the left because they never see any real pushback. Woke, Social justice warriors, PC nonsense, cancel culture, silencing of differing opinions and views. This is all going to blow up in the left’s face eventually. I hate saying it, but I believe the way we are headed with so much partisanship and one side in particular who are not civil enough to debate differences, is violence, I bloody hope I am wrong. But the trajectory they are on and the anger that is silently building tells me otherwise.

I am very interested in others thoughts on this. How long until the breaking point is reached? Or can we pull this back and start talking and showing respect to one another again?
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July 19, 2020 10:04am
- RJ
  
  Ah well, if I’m being asked to not watch it then I will have to watch it..
  
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  July 19, 2020 10:31am
- Gravelroad
  
  Wired-one-
  Maybe you don’t see any real pushback because most people take little (or no) notice of left wing extremism.
  I find the general hypocrisy and authoritarian ambitions of many on the left very easy to ignore and discard.
  Try it!
  
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  July 19, 2020 10:59am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    If they get in, ‘hate speech’, defined by them, will get you into jail. They will make you take notice of their authoritarian cancel culture.
    
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    July 19, 2020 1:05pm
- david
  
  I will watch Mel Gibson because he is a good actor just as I will continue to ignore the political statements of Sam Neil because his opinion is not validated by his acting ability.
  
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  July 19, 2020 11:25am
  - fernglas
    
    So a good actor has more valid opinions than a bad actor? Arnold Schwarzenegger would be gutted, as would Ronald Reagan. Glenda Jackson, on the other hand…..
    
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    July 19, 2020 2:04pm
- oldfella
  
  Stuff might regret allowing comments on this story. Over 100 when I looked, and couldn’t see any that agreed with the silly woman. In fact, most could have been written by people on KB.
  Go woke, go broke, Stuffed.
  
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  July 19, 2020 12:00pm
- tf78
  
  Wired-one : Lauren Southern is back – if that helps!
  
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  July 19, 2020 6:49pm
barnacle bill

Does your wife do what you tell her to do ?

Every person of voting age are entitled to make up their own minds which way to vote.
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July 19, 2020 10:09am
- septic skeptic
  
  That just calls for some psychology. A few comments about how hot you think Golriz is should do the trick ?
  
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  July 19, 2020 10:48am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Flattery is permissible, even encouraged, but it needs to be within the bounds of reality.
    
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    July 19, 2020 12:27pm
- lifesgood
  
  Anyone who votes Green needs to be told what to do. They clearly can’t make sensible decisions.
  
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  July 19, 2020 11:41am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Just ask Clint!
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaOMGLINdpw
    
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    July 19, 2020 12:29pm
    - lifesgood
      
      That is freaking hilarious! What a dumb loser…”hey, Clint!”
      
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      July 19, 2020 1:12pm
- cmm
  
  I am the head of our house.
  
  But my missus is the neck.
  
  The neck turns the head and points it in the direction it wants.
  
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  July 19, 2020 11:46am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yup, the speaker of the house is the speaker of the house. Keep the queen bee happy and the hive is happy
    
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    July 19, 2020 12:22pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Happy wife; happy life. It certainly works in my household, where I wear the trousers, but she tells me which pair ?
      
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      July 19, 2020 3:47pm
      - info@cruzpro.com
        
        My wife lets me “think” that I am the boss. We’re both happy.
        
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        July 19, 2020 6:47pm
Yvette

Winston Peters reveals ‘raw meat’ reason why he needed unexpected surgery
Perhaps too many “private details”
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July 19, 2020 10:34am
- fernglas
  
  Surgery for food poisoning? Sounds a bit odd to me.
  
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  July 19, 2020 11:01am
  - oldfella
    
    Yep, surgery for a food poisoning problem sounds very … dodgy.
    Can anyone on here with a medical background come up with a scenario to match what Winnie claims?
    
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    July 19, 2020 12:04pm
  - Paul Marsden
    
    Believe that, then you believe in fairies at the bottom of the garden
    
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    July 19, 2020 12:18pm
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      Exacerbation of diverticulitis… was admitted thinking abscess needing drainage, but problem settled down on weedkillers (antibiotics) without scourgery…
      
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      July 19, 2020 1:21pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Winston full of bad s**t
        Who knew
        
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        July 19, 2020 1:54pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Don’t believe it for a minute. More likely something serious.
    
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    July 19, 2020 1:10pm
DeepBlue

Dwelling on 2017, had National been able to form a government, they would now only have a slim chance of a 5th term (based on history). Then Labour would have won a landslide in 2020… CGT etc all a definite as their recovery plan.

Should National win in 2020, NZ may turn out to be in the best possible place overall. One term wonder Jacinda having not used her immense political capital to introduce the most radical of her plans, means we might just recover as a nation.
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July 19, 2020 10:54am
RJ

Another good interview from Judith. So many good comments from Judith in this interview, Newshub article wants to focus on one to try attack her

Judith Collins fires back at critics over ‘white’ comments
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July 19, 2020 11:18am
- Scooter
  
  I couldn’t believe the constant interrupting by that Forbes woman.
  
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  July 19, 2020 7:04pm
- curry4me
  
  RJ: Crusher 1 Lefty 0. I hope they don’t put up anyone in the racially selected seats.
  
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  July 19, 2020 7:17pm
I remember when

Is the Labour Party making a whale of a mistake?
Should they ‘Free Willie’?
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July 19, 2020 11:37am
Wired-one

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/07/judith-collins-fires-back-at-critics-over-white-comments.html

Good on you Judith. Never apologize for who you are.
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July 19, 2020 11:37am
Surely Knott

Deborah Russell is a woke moron should have been the Newshub headline. Instead it was framed as Judith is making “white” comments. But it was Deborah Russell who said that Collins had made “White Girl Comments”. Previously calling someone by skin colour or calling a grown woman in her professional capacity “girl” would be considered racist and sexist.
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July 19, 2020 11:47am
- Jack5
  
  Deborah Russell is one of the five MPs that the Labour Party publicises as having the “Dr” honorific.
  
  Russell is a former accountant and tax lecturer at Massey University so presumably the Ph.D. is in a business subject.
  
  Duncan Webb is a former law lecturer and his “Dr” relates to his doctor of laws degree.
  
  David Clark’s Ph.D. is in theology and philosophy. A former Presbyterian minister, he became the expert on Helmet Herbert Rex , a German religion academic who fled Nazi Germany to New Zealand with his part-Jewish wife. Rex became Dean of Theology at Otago University.
  
  While Clark failed as Health Minister, the only Labour MP whose “Dr” honorific relates to medicine is Liz Craig, a first-term, list MP based in Invercargill. She has specialist qualifications in obstetrics and paediatrics, and trained Aboriginal health workers in Australia before returning to NZ and working in the public health system.
  
  Megan Woods, who is running Wuhan flu isolation and quarantine, has a Ph.D. in history from Canterbury University. You can read her Ph.D. thesis here:
  
  https://ir.canterbury.ac.nz/handle/10092/4352
  
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  July 19, 2020 2:30pm
I remember when

I remember when it was said that there were only thirteen long term unemployed in New Zealand.
Now look at the way we have prevented the unemployed from becoming extinct.
Should the Ministry of Social Development be responsible for Conservation.
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July 19, 2020 11:49am
- Harriet
  
  Immigrants under 18 should be BANNED!
  
  As entering the workforce after leaving school is what taxpayers have invested their money in!
  
  School leavers are an investment – just ask anyone in the teachers union!
  
  And for good fucken reason!
  
  It’s to get a start in life, after all the government tax everyone so that from the day a child is born they receive a baby bonus, WFF, childcare rebates…… along with childcare, primary and secondary education.
  
  That’s a big fucken investment in kids we don’t know of, or who we won’t ever see, and that is from a ‘prospectus’ delivered once every three years where we get to ‘reallocate’ taxes.
  
  How business, government and society in general then think it is a benefit to have 10’s of 1000’s of people at any one time – unemployed or underemployed or underpaid – and they are mostly young, is beyond any sort of rational thinking, as what was your investment for – furthering your tax liability after they leave school?
  
  Childcare and education needs to be defunded if that is the result.
  
  It’s either fulltime employment at 17 or fulltime higher education or training. No dole or part dole for those under 27. Only the sickness benefit.
  
  Like debt — there is good tax and bad tax. 😎
  
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  July 19, 2020 4:28pm
  - Prince
    
    Good tax is the tax other people pay.
    Bad tax is the rest.
    
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    July 19, 2020 9:38pm
V

Whats with the post about the rumours? I haven’t heard any, but now dpfs post has me interested?

[“And this includes trying to be a smart arse and use code.” Mod. note – this will apply to comments such as this too. Be warned. Mods.]
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July 19, 2020 1:44pm
- mara
  
  I was scrolling down bfd general debate earlier and a moderator was warning posters about the precise things they should not comment on in this matter and in doing so essentially told everyone what he thought the issue was all about. Was this deliberate or stupid? One of the other, both or neither? Time will shortly tell.
  
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  July 19, 2020 11:58pm
RJ

Hmmm, don’t mince your words Andrea

I cannot remember the last time I got information requested under the #OIA on time, without a massive extension, or some other game fuckery. It’s an absolute myth that this Govt is any more transparent than the last.

Andrea Vance Twitter
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July 19, 2020 2:35pm
Jack5

Three new Wuhan flu cases in New Zealand today: an arrival from Afghanistan; an arrival from Pakistan; and an arrival from India. Yesterday there was one new NZ case – an arrival from Central Africa.

Any bets on how soon the Government will suppress the source of new Covid-19 cases? The woke won’t want anyone talking about “diversity dividends”.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/421532/three-new-cases-of-covid-19-reported-in-new-zealand-today
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July 19, 2020 2:36pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Yep. just got all clear in CHCH today. fly tomorrow evening .
  Left home first week Feb and finally get home now.
  More than willing to pay for quarantine as food is unedible and company will pay as recognised as Key workers by UN.
  Wondering status of NZ’ers arriving home who are not Key workers.
  On another note my plane had 13 pax and probably 20 crew. Not sure why all airlines are starting to come here, Emirates, Malaysian airlines, Qatar?
  Also whats the legality to tell Air NZ to reduce flights?
  Thats the issue we have had after getting all ducks in a row and then airlines pulling pin last minute for crew change. Remembering it takes takes 2 weeks to get approval on average for Seafarerers to crew change.
  Just saying.
  
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  July 19, 2020 3:17pm
DeepBlue

Judith can let Winston tear Labour and the Greens asunder, with all his inside knowledge. Go Winston you still have your uses (up to 19 September).

Can’t wait for the Cabinet responsibility rules period to end. Hey, Winston might even leak the Coalition Agreement, including the six extra pages.
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July 19, 2020 2:40pm
cmm

Not just paracetamol, but shortages on all drugs – including prescription drugs….

Prescriptions are not being filled. Get a 3 month script and they only give you 1 month of drugs. How long before it is down to one week, or less?

And no, none of it is caused by CV19. It is all caused by the panic that is causing a disruption of the supply chain.

Be it drugs, toilet paper or the ability to bury bodies the disruption of normal activity is causing the problem – not the CV19 itself.

OMG! Brasil needs mass graves because of all the bodies. Bollocks. The CV19 deaths are adding less than 10% to the normal death rate. Does the whole system fall apart when there are only 10% more bodies to process?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300060505/paracetamol-stocks-running-out-at-kiwi-pharmacies
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July 19, 2020 3:05pm
- tf78
  
  cmm – Remember they said that would happen if Brexit happened.
  
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  July 19, 2020 7:01pm
- sooty
  
  Is it labour running out of the folding money?
  
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  July 19, 2020 7:11pm
Jack5

We give Radio New Zealand a work over almost daily in Kiwiblog’s General Debate.

There’s a slab on the RNZ site today about the State radio’s audience, and the chief executive reveals how the goal is to get more Maori listeners.

Given the heavy and increasing salting of RNZ English with Maori, it’s interesting to read Radio NZ about itself:

If about 70 percent of the population is classed ’NZ European’ but the same group makes up almost nine out of 10 of RNZ’s radio listeners, is RNZ doing enough to represent all New Zealanders?

“We’re not,” RNZ chief executive Paul Thompson told Mediawatch.

“When you’re talking about our listeners to our radio stations, they skew more Pakeha and older, definitely,” he said.

Thompson pointed out that 59 percent of New Zealanders – including 57 percent of people aged 18 to 34 – now consume RNZ content each week through its radio stations, digital content and third-party content sharing arrangements with other media companies.

“Our strategy is starting to give us some more diverse audience,” he said

But he acknowledged under-served Maori and Pasifika people and Asian people weren’t getting as much value for money as they should from publicly-funded RNZ.

Time for some lateral thinking, Mr Thompson. If juicing up the broadcast petrol with Maori language ain’t working, perhaps the non-listening Maori don’t want broadcast language that’s headed towards becoming an NZ Pidgin. Perhaps you should try parallel broadcasts in English and Maori.

The real question is whether State radio is still needed a century after radio technology was developed. Radio stations are relatively cheap to set up and run, compared with, say, print. Because of NZ’s isolation, spectrum is not overcrowded. It’s easy for businesses or groups to set up their own stations. Why is the State needed in this medium?

And what is going on when State radio is trying to broaden into internet, may some day merge with State TV, and is making tentative moves to working with print publishers?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/2018755426/rnz-s-toddler-steps-towards-diversity
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July 19, 2020 3:14pm
- Jack5
  
  There’s an interesting twist in statistics by an RNZ reporter in the piece. He acknowledges that those who identify as white make up 70 per cent of the population.
  
  The reporter assumes, or perhaps even hopes that listeners/readers will assume, that this means 30 per cent of the population is Maori. Maori make up a little over half non-white portion, however – about 16 or 17 per cent.
  
  So why isn’t he talking about a fifth of the output would be in Maori if it was proportionately based on the ethnicity of listeners.
  
  Current figures are that about a quarter of Maori are fluent in Maori language. So Maorifying Radio New Zealand, initiated by Labour MP and activist, Wily Willie Jackson, is about 5 per cent of the population, or 5 per cent of Radio NZ’s potential audience.
  
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  July 19, 2020 5:40pm
- tf78
  
  If I slide through various channels on my trusty old Panasonic transistor – there are numerous stations spoken in languages I don’t under stand, so there are already plenty of options out there. I think they just don’t like the idea of ZB and Magictalk.
  
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  July 19, 2020 7:04pm
lifesgood

This election is already heaps of fun. I am so enjoying seeing the left totally losing their shit.
They wanted Bridges gone and succeeded after non stop attacks and now it serves them right. They should have been careful of what they wished for.
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July 19, 2020 3:20pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Labour and the Greens deal in woke pixie dust
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300060509/winston-peters-takes-aim-at-labour-and-greens-in-campaign-launch-speech
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July 19, 2020 3:36pm
greybeard

Sam Cane ?
Dumb Cane.
This man is not fit to be the All Blacks captain.
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July 19, 2020 4:30pm
- barnacle bill
  
  Afraid so greybeard.
  He reverted to the dirty tricks that the Chiefs are well known for..
  
  I cant see him being in that role for very long.
  
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  July 19, 2020 6:31pm
- chukar
  
  Good AB Captains must come from the south,
  
  But a great weekend for the neglected.
  
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  July 19, 2020 6:47pm
  - Prince
    
    Tane Randall ? Anton Oliver ?
    
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    July 19, 2020 9:32pm
Aunty

Just as I predicted a few days ago, the deaths are now starting in Victoria. They will only get greater in number in the coming days and weeks. I’ve heard some reports that the hospitals are filling up with COVID patients too and that the ICUs are starting to get a bit stretched in Melbourne. Early days yet, and I hope these reports are wrong, but a worrying situation nonetheless. Let’s just hope the lockdown and today’s announcement of the compulsory wearing of face masks will slow the transmission of the virus right down so they can get on top of it.

How’s that Transtasman travel bubble working out for you all, and the fervent cries from the dim and the dumb that Australia is doing so much of a better job at controlling the virus than us, and without wrecking their economy? So let’s do what they are doing.

Anyone want to do want they are doing in Melbourne now?
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July 19, 2020 4:53pm
- All_on_Red
  
  ‘Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews said there had also been three further deaths in the state, taking the death toll to 32.
  
  Andrews said the people who died were a man in his 80s, a man in his 70s, and a woman in her 80s.’
  
  Wonder what the causes of death were?
  Sad, but if you’re under 60 then carry on.
  Btw, the gap in an N95 mask is 3 microns
  The Covid droplets are 1 micron…
  But feel free to continue with your Science free Panic Porn
  
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  July 19, 2020 5:24pm
  - marcw
    
    The science of face mask efficiency isn’t based solely on the “micron gap” size. Remember, the 1 micron viral particle has to travel through a barrier about 1,000,000 microns thick, and it’s not a straight path. During the transit, most 1 micron sized particles are adsorbed onto the barrier material surface and removed from the air expelled. One reason they (masks) lose effectiveness is if the mask gets excessively wet/damp, so it’s important to change before this happens.
    
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    July 19, 2020 5:39pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Thankyou, sitting on the fence Dr Fauci imposter
      
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      July 19, 2020 5:41pm
Maggy Wassilieff

NZ Steel in trouble?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12348851

The Warehouse about to lay off 1000+
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/122179019/the-warehouse-to-hold-staff-meetings-on-monday-about-restructuring

Marsden Pt in trouble?

Any workers left in NZ?
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July 19, 2020 7:07pm
- RJ
  
  I think the warehouse lay offs have been in the works for a while, merging warehouse stationary with warehouse, but just moved along quicker by the past few months,
  
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  July 19, 2020 7:14pm
- Prince
  
  No Public Service layoffs .
  – Job for life.
  – 5 weeks annual leave.
  – Higher salaries than in private sector.
  – Union protection.
  – Heaps of maternity/paternity/sick/mental health leave.
  Work/Life balance so long as you have plenty of hobbies etc.
  
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  July 19, 2020 9:30pm
RJ

Refund the police

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July 19, 2020 7:56pm
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  Recommended – you may have to turn down the volume though!
  
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