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Maggie Pie

Take a look at this lot…….LOL!!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdBgFvwVcAEno6k?format=jpg&name=small
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July 17, 2020 8:04am
- Unity
  
  I know!! I nearly died when I saw it. What a motley bunch and to think they are leading (or trying to lead!!) our country. Heaven help us all. They don’t even look intelligent.
  
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  July 17, 2020 8:11am
  - lifesgood
    
    “Don’t even look intelligent” That’s because they are not. They all look like “I wish I was somewhere else”
    
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    July 17, 2020 9:26am
- Tall Man
  
  “Stunned mullets” springs to mind.
  
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  July 17, 2020 8:13am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    I understand this photo was taken just after they had been informed Judith was to lead the Nats. The look says Holy F…. What do we do now.
    
    Cindy will have to front up to Crusher and the best we can do is accuse Crusher of ‘not being kind” to Cindy and ‘being a bully to Cindy” and at least some of the Sheeple wont buy that.
    
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    July 17, 2020 9:21am
    - Two bob
      
      yup be carefull what you wish for!!!
      they unleashed their media cronnies on national and muller in an effort to weaken them and now they succeeded the realization set in that they achieved the opposite and now a strong opposition party is emerging.
      
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      July 17, 2020 10:30am
- gravedodger
  
  Was that when Jaz asked “Judith who?”
  
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  July 17, 2020 8:14am
  - slade52
    
    Oh, she knows who Judith is.
    
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    July 17, 2020 9:41am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Darren in London certainly does and he will tell her.
      
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      July 17, 2020 12:50pm
- Paulus
  
  Ya gotta laugh!
  And we are expected to take them seriously !
  
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  July 17, 2020 8:17am
- Swifty
  
  Good grief.
  
  This is the best we’ve got?
  
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  July 17, 2020 8:26am
- plc
  
  The cast of “The Adams Family”?
  
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  July 17, 2020 8:26am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    Yes! I knew the picture looked familiar and just couldn’t place it.
    
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    July 17, 2020 9:26am
  - Steve Todd
    
    “The Addams Family”.
    
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    July 17, 2020 9:34am
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      If John Belushi had lived, he still wouldn’t look as bad as Shane the Slush Fund Wanker.
      
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      July 17, 2020 10:00am
  - Liberty
    
    The Chap on the right. Reminds me
    of Mr Smithers from the Simpsons.
    They have similar personalities.
    
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    July 17, 2020 12:34pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Inspiring
  
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  July 17, 2020 8:34am
- Chris R
  
  Frightening!
  
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  July 17, 2020 8:36am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  You’d hate this crew to be delivering bad news wouldn’t you!
  
  Why isn’t this on the front page of Stuffoff or the Horrid….
  
  Oh yes, $50million buys a lot of “responsible journalism” doesn’t it?
  
  Bwuhahahaha!
  
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  July 17, 2020 8:38am
- Frank the tank
  
  Aren’t you proud that lot is our government
  
  Move over “Revenge of the Nerds” we now have our own “Revenge of the woke” complete with our own ‘Booga’ Jones.
  
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  July 17, 2020 8:38am
- Jimmy White
  
  The Muppets on steroids
  
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  July 17, 2020 8:40am
  - slade52
    
    The Muppets on Valium.
    
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    July 17, 2020 9:42am
- Frank Thomas
  
  What a motley crew……
  
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  July 17, 2020 8:53am
  - sooty
    
    Clowns the lot of them!
    
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    July 17, 2020 8:57am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Saved me a serving of prunes this morning . . .
  
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  July 17, 2020 8:58am
- Tricati
  
  After yesterday’s headline that stated Ardern meet with affected staff, only to later find out it was 2 union reps, and 2 selected staff members – Hardly reflective of 1600 workers looking to lose their jobs.
  I guess the picture reflects the tone of the greeting they got from the public in general.
  
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  July 17, 2020 9:00am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  One of the muppets pictured (top left) has forgotten to put on the disguise this morning.
  
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  July 17, 2020 9:00am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Alexei Sayle/Jerzy Bulowski hasn’t aged well https://thelaughbutton.com/site2/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Alexei-Sayle-The-Young-Ones.jpg
  
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  July 17, 2020 9:02am
  - Ruawai
    
    Why does Jones wear the hat, it looks very odd.
    
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    July 17, 2020 9:03am
    - kowtow
      
      Cos he wants to remind everyone he’s [Deleted … thin ice kowtow. Mod.]
      
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      July 17, 2020 9:36am
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        Shane wears the hat because he thinks he is a Blues Bro. In fact he is a Ho Bro.
        
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        July 17, 2020 10:01am
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      That hat makes him look like a Ska musician. If we pan down, he is also likely wearing the requisite “brothel creepers” and he could probably pull a trumpet out of his ass, if asked.
      
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      July 17, 2020 10:40am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Hat? Get your eye’s checked. That’s a wide girth condom, rimmed ‘for his pleasure’
      
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      July 17, 2020 2:30pm
  - yossarian
    
    I wonder if he thinks that hat “makes em appear more sophisticated!!!”
    
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    July 17, 2020 9:09am
    - Flossie
      
      If that was the case, then he got it soooo wrong!
      
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      July 17, 2020 9:38am
      - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
        
        Yup, if you must wear a hat, get one that fits. That one is far too small for his body type. Needs a much wider brim and not to be perched on top.
        
        While a Gentleman should never go uncovered, one should attempt to choose a hat in keeping with ones age and physique.
        
        Plus of course, as someone pointed out, no Gentleman remains with his hat on indoors, or in polite company!
        
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        July 17, 2020 11:01am
    - Unity
      
      Maybe he was feeling the cold (chill?) as he doesn’t have much hair on top.
      
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      July 17, 2020 10:06am
    - Scooter
      
      Well JA doesn’t set a good example with her dress sense.
      
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      July 17, 2020 6:11pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    ‘A Good Joke’ 😀
    
    https://cdn6.nzgeo.com/1998/04/38_Goldie_11-1071×1300.jpg
    
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    July 17, 2020 9:39am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      And that is a true Gentleman, who knows how to wear a hat correctly!
      
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      July 17, 2020 11:01am
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      Jokes aside, that is a technically astounding artwork.
      
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      July 17, 2020 1:07pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Certainly is PG. One of CG’s finest.
        Heard it was sold at auction about fifteen years ago for a tad over 300k. Now quietly on the market circa 2M.
        
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        July 17, 2020 1:43pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      The poor fulla – already showing the effects of colonialism. Strange, he seems to be quite chuffed with himself, I wonder why that would be.
      
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      July 17, 2020 2:06pm
- Nickc2
  
  Sore losers! Look at that buffoon Jones wearing a hat indoors. No class whatsoever.
  
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  July 17, 2020 9:06am
- JackRabbit
  
  The Muppet Show.
  
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  July 17, 2020 9:09am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    A bit unfair to the Muppets don’t you think? the Muppet show always had intelligible actors, a coherent script, communications goal in mind, an excellent leavening of humour throughout, and achieved what they set out to do by the end of their show. Unlike this collection of self-beclowning imbeciles who can’t manage any of that.
    
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    July 17, 2020 10:03am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      Seems like an audition still from an episode of
      
      “Pigs in Spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace!”
      
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      July 17, 2020 11:05am
- Philview
  
  I read this morning that the Government are going to apply their Taranaki roadmap to Southland.
  Per the ODT “The Taranaki 2050 Roadmap has been developed by a mix of business, iwi, community, union, education and local and central government groups” Per Grant Robertson the Taranaki Roadmap will be a “just transition”. I assume “just’ means Marxist.
  
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  July 17, 2020 9:26am
  - coge
    
    I can see another just transition coming this September.
    
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    July 17, 2020 9:55am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    … hell, that bad!
    
    I know, lets “set up a committee” ™
    
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    July 17, 2020 11:06am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Oh dear, never mind.
  
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  July 17, 2020 9:33am
- ldypen
  
  The only thing in that photo that actually does it job properly is the microphone!
  
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  July 17, 2020 9:37am
- Tony Stuart
  
  That photo has been everywhere since I posted it on Twitter around 4pm yesterday.
  
  The character I like best is Shane Jones, doing his best Don Corleone impression as he makes people offers they can’t refuse…
  
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  July 17, 2020 9:37am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    That picture truly does say a thousand words, one of them being “disfunctional.”
    
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    July 17, 2020 1:10pm
- Justitia
  
  Robbo the ventriloquist is trying hard to keep his lips from moving by adopting his best funereal demeanour. Who’s the mad bugger in the hat?
  
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  July 17, 2020 9:43am
- tf78
  
  They look like they are waiting to audition for the “Muppet Show”.
  
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  July 17, 2020 10:03am
- freethinker
  
  Hardly the Magnificent seven more the malevolent seven.
  
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  July 17, 2020 10:26am
- Local Miller
  
  This photo is very revealing. No one is really focused on Ardern, no one is smiling or even showing a neutral, “I’m here listening intently” expression.
  If I didn’t know better I would think this was Jacinda announcing her congratulations to national on their winning the 2020 election.
  Maybe it’s a dress rehearsal.
  And the clothes! They look like they are a bunch of second hand car salesman. I wouldn’t trust them if my life depended on it.
  
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  July 17, 2020 10:56am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    Sad to say, there are a lot of Kiwi lives depending on that bunch. We are quite possibly doomed.
    
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    July 17, 2020 12:50pm
- Fletch
  
  Usual suspects….
  
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  July 17, 2020 12:06pm
- Nickc2
  
  The look on their faces tells me the Tiwai Smelter CEO has just informed them there will be no Champers and Cucumber sandwiches for lunch today, the smelter is still trying to financially recover from Covid shutdown.
  
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  July 17, 2020 1:38pm
- sharont
  
  Oh my Gawd …
  
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  July 17, 2020 4:41pm
RRM

Todd Muller was a plant so that Crusher could replace Bridges, without looking like a big, back-stabbing meanie.

Change my mind.
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July 17, 2020 8:08am
- RRM
  
  50 minutes in moderation.
  
  Regardless of our upcoming election result, lefty cancel culture has won.
  
  [Mod – I can’t speak for others, but this Mod is on holiday this week, and was having a sleep-in this morning! Sorry RRM and others]
  
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  July 17, 2020 8:59am
  - Jimmy White
    
    To Mod – Forgiven. Put the Sleep-in on your CV so you will have a head start for any 8th floor job.
    
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    July 17, 2020 9:57am
Chris R

I have really enjoyed Mike Yardley on ZB during Mike Hosking’s absence. Mr Yardley has covered some sensational occurrences while holding the post. He hasn’t missed a beat. One of his advantages is that he is not burdened by a silly snorting wife between 5am and 6am. Hosking’s wife has atrocious diction and seems to completely lack insight. (I have appreciated Tim Dower in the 5am slot for the past two weeks.)
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July 17, 2020 8:11am
- Frank the tank
  
  I love Kate.
  
  Tim and Mike With their monotone delivery remind me of a couple of extras at the Rovers Return. Very “Muller-like”. I hear Collins’ cut Yardley’s balls off mid-interview when he brought up diversity into the discussion.
  
  Hoskings is going to have his best week in a while when he comes back on Monday. Sure to wind up Cindy about trying to ignore Jude.
  
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  July 17, 2020 9:17am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Disregarding the comments about Kate Hawkesby, Yradley has indeed been excellent over the last two weeks. In the past, he’s tended to run hot and cold, but for the past two weeks he has been outstanding.
  
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  July 17, 2020 9:41am
JibberJabber

The Baroness

Safe Socialism? If it’s safe, it’s not Socialism. If it’s Socialism, it’s not safe. Signposts of Socialism point downhill to less freedom, less prosperity, more muddle, more failure. If we follow them to their destination, they will lead this nation into bankruptcy.
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July 17, 2020 8:13am
Yvette

Covid 19 coronavirus: Hamilton will soon be ready to quarantine returning Kiwis and Dunedin and Queenstown are being looked as centres where people can isolate.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12344985 July 2

July 08 – The person who has tested positive for COVID-19 is a man in his 30s. He arrived in New Zealand on July 3 from New Delhi, India

July 09 – The first case is a woman in her 20s who arrived in New Zealand on July 3 from India. She has been staying in isolation at the Stamford Plaza in Auckland.
The second case is a man in his 30s who arrived in New Zealand on July 4 from Italy and is staying in isolation at the Commodore Hotel in Christchurch.
The third case is a man in his 20s who arrived in New Zealand on July 3 from India. He has been staying in isolation at the Stamford Plaza in Auckland.

July 10 – The first case is a man in his 20s who arrived in New Zealand on 28 June from India. He has been at the Sudima Auckland Airport facility since arrival. He tested negative on day 3 of his stay and has subsequently tested positive to an around day 12 test.
The second case is a man in his 20s who arrived in New Zealand on 27 June from England. He has been in managed isolation at the Sudima Lake Rotorua. He tested positive on 9 July on day 12 of his stay.

July 11 – Today’s new case is a woman in her 20s who arrived in New Zealand on 2 July from London, via Doha and Sydney.

July 12 – Today’s new case is a woman in her 20s who arrived in New Zealand on 4 July from Rome, via Doha and Sydney.

July 13 – no new cases

July 14 – Today’s case is a woman in her 60s who arrived in New Zealand on June 30 from Pakistan via Doha and Sydney.

July 15 – The first case is a man in his 60s who arrived in New Zealand on July 10 from Pakistan via Dubai. The second case we are reporting today is a woman in her 50s who arrived in New Zealand on July 10 from Dublin, via Dubai.

July 16 – Today’s case is the child of two people previously reported as having COVID-19. They arrived in New Zealand from Italy on July 4.

Case information – https://www.health.govt.nz/news-media/media-releases
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July 17, 2020 8:16am
- krazykiwi
  
  Meh. Not really interested in ‘cases’. The IFR for most of those cases is indistinguishable from that of death by lightening strike. We will always have cases, and when rationality returns we’ll have an absence of curated fear
  
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  July 17, 2020 9:18am
  - kloyd0306
    
    Amen.
    Equating cases as deaths seems to be the media’s attempt to keep us on edge. I am over it.
    99% get mild symptoms, 99.85% fully recover.
    We’ve been scammed.
    
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    July 17, 2020 10:48am
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      And those rates are a minimum. There will be many more people who have had the virus and not even known it. I would like a breakdown of the 22 deaths by age and comorbidities. I think you will find that the death rate is zero for those under 70 and without existing complicating factors. I also doubt that autopsies were performed on the deceased, so there may well have been zero deaths “from” Covid-19.
      
      More people need to acquire an appreciation of how to interpret data in order to reach sensible and sound conclusions.
      
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      July 17, 2020 1:35pm
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    We are only delaying the inevitable by not exposing everyone to the virus. Data suggests that the Herd Immunity Threshold (HIT) is only about 20% of the population, at which point the virus runs out of “hosts” and cannot perpetuate itself. This is in contrast to the initial estimates of about 70%+ (which, like all of the initial estimates was wildly overstated by orders of magnitude).
    
    Below is an excellent, well supported and well reasoned exposition of the above.
    
    https://off-guardian.org/2020/07/07/second-wave-not-even-close/
    
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    July 17, 2020 1:22pm
- fernglas
  
  What’s your point, Yvette?
  
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  July 17, 2020 9:31am
  - SGA
    
    Oh good. I’m not the only one scratching my head.
    
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    July 17, 2020 9:37am
  - Yvette
    
    First-term National MP Hamish Walker has been called racist for a press release claiming that up to 11,000 people from “India, Pakistan and Korea” could be heading to Dunedin, Invercargill and Queenstown for quarantine.
    
    “I think it’s disgraceful and reprehensible. It’s scaremongering and frankly it’s racist,” Housing Minister Megan Woods said.
    
    Initially, was Hamish Walker more right than Megan Woods may have been wrong?
    
    (Stuff has spoken to Walker’s source, a South Island medical professional, who confirmed Southern officials had been told to expect 11,000 people to go through isolation there, although they would not all be undergoing isolation at the same time.)
    
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    July 17, 2020 10:51am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  Why are they not being isolated in ONE location? It seems ludicrous to spread them around the country, thereby increasing the “risk” if the virus escapes. Although, perhaps I have just answered my own question.
  
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  July 17, 2020 1:26pm
igm

These losers really highlight the noun “leech”. Not one of them being employable on the open market.
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July 17, 2020 8:18am
Vallager

Mike Hosking must be absolutely spitting mad he took this week off and missed all the fun and games! and left that numpty Yardley in charge!
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July 17, 2020 8:23am
- greybeard
  
  Like some others here , I thought Mike Yardley was outstanding for the whole 2 weeks. Certainly not a “numpty” in my opinion.
  
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  July 17, 2020 10:04am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Yes, yardley’s been ok, but imagine the huge fun we would have had w hosking on during this time.
  
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  July 17, 2020 10:29am
- Fletch
  
  Yardley is a little more laid back.
  
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  July 17, 2020 12:08pm
fernglas

New Zealand business rises to the crisis by offering poor service and blaming Covid-19 https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel-troubles/300056435/lets-get-new-zealand-freezing-how-a-cheap-campervan-deal-went-badly-wrong
We are truly doomed as an economy if this is the best we can do in an industry that is facing extinction. Poor productivity, no ethos of service, over priced products and no mug tourists to rip off. The complacency and apathy in this country would be laughable if it weren’t so tragic.
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July 17, 2020 8:24am
- mark15
  
  She’ll be right.
  
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  July 17, 2020 9:27am
Frank the tank

Welcome to the 3rd day of AC (after Collins)
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July 17, 2020 8:31am
- hullkiwi
  
  She was brilliant at 7.20am on RNZ in interview with Corin Dann. Her and Brownlee have demonstrated experience during their interviews I’ve seen this week. Based on their performance, you can guarantee the Labour strategists will resort to Dirty Politics very quickly because they have nothing else.
  
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  July 17, 2020 10:01am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Looking forward to AA on Sept 20th . . .
  
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  July 17, 2020 12:57pm
Durden

We are being softened up to accept community transmission of Covid-19.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/122156065/coronavirus-recovered-case-tests-positive-prompting-criteria-change

While Bloomfield is making glib excuses (or spin/lying) about the reasons for why the case in Auckland might have happened, he is also shifting the blame onto WHO and claiming we are doing what WHO (and Australia etc) are doing. When will they understand that WHO has been utterly crap with its pandemic advice? Conveniently forgetting that the mixing of multiple waves of returnees into quarantine hotels was mismanaged by Labour. Also the false negatives likely from Covid testing are not being taken into account and are being understated. We need to take decisions in the best interests of protecting NZ’s expensively won covid-free status. Do what is right for NZ even if it is more onerous. Don’t be penny wise and pound foolish in the haste to release people from quarantine.

Its clear that Jacinda wants to fight an election based on the past lucky outcome of “we are still in Covid and we are winning ” election by trying to keep us in Covid mode while National wants to highlight the impact on the economy and the inability (or lack) of brains for doing that.

Jacinda’s strategy seems to be to plug her fingers into her ears keening “lalalalalala…”.

But CoL should be easy fodder for National. Judith will revel in any one-on-one debates without the obstruction of Mallard. We might yet see another total mental breakdown this election a la Phil Twyford on TV, Claire Curran in Parliament. Or hiding behind pillars like Sroubek lover Lees-Galloway. Or regressing into childhood Maori by the Kelvin Davis. The hubris of the smug Robertson, Hipkins and Woods will soon be blow torched too. Greens will commit suicide on their own with stupid policies–Chloe won’t win a seat in Auckland Central unless Labour hand her a free ride. Winston/Jones will drown in their own puddle of blatant lies and bombast.
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July 17, 2020 8:36am
- igm
  
  Who was the Labourite leech that jumped out a window to avoid questioning from media?
  Seems we could see some repeats if MSM return to doing their jobs and earing a share of taxpayers’ $50m in an honest and non-political manner.
  
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  July 17, 2020 8:50am
- Two bob
  
  whats the bet community transmission occurs sometime between sept 19 and 30th?
  
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  July 17, 2020 8:54am
  - Durden
    
    I am guessing next week, or the following week.
    
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    July 17, 2020 9:20am
    - Two bob
      
      nope cos then calls would be made to delay the election and cindy wont allow that to happen.
      
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      July 17, 2020 10:32am
  - Raphael
    
    Local L5 lockdowns in National strongholds?
    
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    July 17, 2020 9:34am
- sooty
  
  It’s going to be interesting in the leaders debates, to see how Cindy handles it with out the duck running protection for the whitless!
  
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  July 17, 2020 9:01am
  - Paulus
    
    And reading what she is told on auto cue as she cannot answer anything that has not been scripted for her.
    
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    July 17, 2020 11:02am
- Ruahine
  
  ‘You are all going to die’. Selling disease to the masses.
  
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  July 17, 2020 9:40am
Two bob

think its safe to say cindy and co will be quietly shitting themselves now judith is in charge.
im looking forward to the fact judith will not let cindy run away and hide and will take a scrap to her instead if needed 🙂

lets keep moving… to avoid the crusher
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July 17, 2020 8:36am
- lifesgood
  
  Methinks some bowels will be moving right now.
  
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  July 17, 2020 9:31am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Ardern’s still got her COVID fear to draw on. She seem to be the Captain on the MOH team too. I doubt the legality of her influence and dont’t trust her to pull another lockdown swifty.
  ☑️☑️Stop the Damage☑️☑️
  
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  July 17, 2020 9:40am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    dont’t trust her to pull another lockdown swifty.
    
    I think the populace is going to demand a bit more rigour next time around….
    
    I don’t think folks are going to be happy queuing for basic food supplies as storms rage or having schools closed again.
    
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    July 17, 2020 10:15am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Fear work too. Last time she really piled it on.
      
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      July 17, 2020 10:43am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Now that the virus has weakened, we should be having some community transmission to healthy people to develop immunity.
        This locking up etc. is damaging our health by weakening our immune systems, which need to have viruses & bacteria infections to keep operating an keeping us healthy – that’s why we have an immune system.
        
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        July 17, 2020 10:50am
Gravelroad

So, Stuff columnist Glenn McConnell says “the brutality of politics needs addressing.”
And then goes on to state that National is a “dirty, morally moronic political party.”
This is what I find so annoying about many of these opinion writers – the immature hypocrisy of them.
Can Mr McConnell not see the irony of his judgement call here?
No, probably not………
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July 17, 2020 8:37am
- sooty
  
  And labour is as pure as wind driven snow, with a leader that has no reason to tell porkies!
  
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  July 17, 2020 9:18am
- Philview
  
  I read that and thought the same. The media had no qualms about doing everything in their power to destroy Todd Muller.
  
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  July 17, 2020 9:30am
- KevO'Brien
  
  It takes one to know one: if they don’t, they can always invent one, based on their own awful, hidden conduct.
  
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  July 17, 2020 9:42am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Pot, meet kettle.
  
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  July 17, 2020 9:42am
- Kabull
  
  It was McConnell’s immature, heavily biased nonsense that led to me cancelling my Dom Post subscription 3 years ago. I haven’t missed it at all …
  
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  July 17, 2020 10:41am
  - calendar girl
    
    Well done, Kabull.
    
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    July 17, 2020 12:03pm
- Paulus
  
  Who is McConnell ?
  
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  July 17, 2020 11:04am
  - sooty
    
    Didn’t they make tractors?
    
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    July 17, 2020 12:49pm
Ipanema69

I know that Judiths “To do” list is probably fairly long after winning the election but can we add the following items.

The sale of TVNZ preferably to whoever wants to buy it, preferably Fox.

Immediate Tax Cuts, I know the books are a mess but I dont want to go through nine years of waiting like I did previously.

Benefit cuts, at least take out what labour did as part of the covid recovery.

Just stop paying for motels for winz clients. If you offer something for free you will get unlimited demand.

Axe the power of general competence for local bodies. Force them to stick to their knitting.

Anyone got anything else to add, I could sit here all day.
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July 17, 2020 8:38am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Crush name suppression so it’s not an option except the protect victims of sexual offences. The right thing to do, costs nothing and would be extremely popular. Seldom that all of those align but they do in this case.
  
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  July 17, 2020 9:31am
  - RJ
    
    No, name suppression is important, especially to those who are innocent.
    
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    July 17, 2020 9:48am
    - Libertarians are right
      
      I agree that name suppression for open cases and where other cases are still to be heard are important. But for guilty people with no outstanding cases, names should be known UNLESS it directly hurts the victim.
      
      The Government employee that was videoing people in the bathroom should not have their name protected, especially on the basis that it would hurt their employer’s reputation.
      
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      July 17, 2020 9:58am
      - RJ
        
        Exactly, once you are found guilty and there are no appeals, release the name. But for people who think name suppression isn’t important just look at the couple of cases the past few years where there have been false rape allegations made against people.
        
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        July 17, 2020 10:04am
  - Ipanema69
    
    Agree great idea
    
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    July 17, 2020 12:42pm
- Raphael
  
  The sale of TVNZ preferably to whoever wants to buy it, preferably Fox.
  
  Fox Studios is owned by Disney now. So hell no!
  
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  July 17, 2020 10:56am
  - Ipanema69
    
    Oops didnt know
    
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    July 17, 2020 12:42pm
- Greenheart
  
  Sell red radio.
  
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  July 17, 2020 11:48am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Who’d buy it? I listen most mornings (torture but want to know which line they’re pushing). Their main message these days is: the system is so waaaycist. That’s the only reason ‘Maori’ (never defined) have worse health and crime stats. And the only reason women make different career decisions from men is: seeeexism!!!
    
    They push the same identity politics constantly. And if other people like me who know equal rights aren’t always equal outcomes are thoroughly sick of it, Judith will have a very good chance.
    
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    July 17, 2020 12:58pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Give someone a lazy mil to take it, should last about a fortnight with that little backhander . . .
    
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    July 17, 2020 1:03pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Ozzies getting conned over solar panels

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-16/rooftop-solar-owners-could-be-charged-to-sell-energy-to-the-grid/12461748
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July 17, 2020 8:44am
- Two bob
  
  cant have peasants going against a monopoly / duopoly (Or whatever they have there) that would mean less control and god forbid an income for a household. regulate, charge fees, obscure laws and red tape to subdue the public and make them conform.
  
  they are scared of anyone becoming self sufficient be it with power or food and do their darndest to stop it.
  
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  July 17, 2020 8:52am
- Lance
  
  Our company was actively involved with developing equipment for this market sector back in 2012.
  We identified the absolute need to balance variable energy sources with demand side appliance and storage management.
  We were ignored and generally messed around.
  There are a lot of people in this market sector receiving large incomes that continuously make very piss poor decisions at others expense, not to mention the high levels of political interference.
  Our lesson learnt was that any sector that involves political interference is guaranteed to be a debacle.
  
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  July 17, 2020 9:11am
  - cmm
    
    Quite right Lance
    
    Wokeness cannot defeat the laws of physics.
    
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    July 17, 2020 12:33pm
- Brian Marshall
  
  Typical South Australia for you Maggy. It’s more left than Victoria.
  
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  July 17, 2020 9:16am
- MarkF
  
  @Maggy, was always going to happen they just didn’t want you to know about it.
  Explanation; the “Power Grid” is a top down system, Generator(s) sit at the top and the power flows “downhill” to the consumers. The system was never designed (many years ago) to be being fed “up” from the bottom.
  In other words if you have a few people with solar / wind or whatever feeding back into the grid it is not an issue as that power spreads sideways to your neighbours who don’t generate power. This has minimal effect on the grid as there is not usually a lot of power involved.
  If however you have whole streets / suburbs (Think Australia) where most people have solar then everyone “excess” power cant feed the neighbour as they also have excess and so on. Now we have a “large” generation capacity at the bottom of the grid and it must now start trying to feed the power back uphill. Remember the system is not designed that way. So typically local voltages climb and that feed back disrupts the downhill control of the grid.
  That sideways spread would help even further back up the grid but if most / all of Sydney was bathed in sunshine you can see the issue.
  The only real solution is to consume all that you make, with or without batteries, and export very little or no power to the grid.
  You save more money by not buying power than you will ever make by selling power back to the grid.
  
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  July 17, 2020 9:19am
  - Lance
    
    Also to feed power in to the grid the voltage must be higher than the grid.
    Some suburbs have so much solar installed, the grid average gets too high and the inverters are forced to trip out, not to mention many appliances becoming stressed by operating at their maximum voltage rating.
    There are a lot of other technical issues as well including local line impedance etc but the reasons remain the same.
    
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    July 17, 2020 9:28am
    - cmm
      
      Lance, apart from voltage it is also a phase/power factor stability issue. Indeed, voltage is probably less of an issue.
      
      When there are just a few generators well synchonised via GPS etc then it is pretty easy to ensure phase stability.
      
      When there are thousands of small feed-ins, it is much more challenging because they’re all trying to both listen to the network and yell onto the network at the same time.
      
      When they are all pumping into the same grid it is easy to start getting poor phasing. This causes equipment to overheat, and in extreme cases causes transformers to catch fire, etc etc.
      
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      July 17, 2020 12:40pm
  - NoCash
    
    Just mandate that each solar installation must have a miniature synchronous condenser that’s connected to the national SCADA for voltage and frequency management… then problem solved :-p
    
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    July 17, 2020 12:21pm
  - freethinker
    
    Solar PV is now economical with panels costing approx 20-30c a watt, you can purchase an off the shelf complete 10Kw system on Alibaba for $12,000 including batteries. Install LED lighting and manage consumption and it works. NZ has an average of 2000 Hours of sunshine PA so assuming only 50% useable thats 10,000Kwh @ 30C Kw is $3,000 which is a 25% ROI so factors in a Diesel Generator – check out Trademe – $8,000 fully auto as back up.
    
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    July 17, 2020 1:58pm
- JackRabbit
  
  That;s why its better to have your own storage cells and keep the energy. Selling power is never that profitable anyway.
  
  Buying power off the energy company at four or five times the price they pay you for your surplus power is not a good model.
  
  Better to keep the surplus and use it yourself. I can see in the future small solar powered communities having their own shared power storage banks.
  
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  July 17, 2020 9:20am
  - Durden
    
    Expensive kit to store, and figure out who put in how much and who used how much for billing.
    
    Anyway, if it is doable then all three components of power deliver — generation, transmissionx2 and retail will get government to regulate and stop the setting up of such schemes because of the claimed losses due to cannibalisation.
    
    There is precedence with water. Some councils ban creation of large storage systems under residential and rural properties.
    
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    July 17, 2020 10:03am
- Classic Liberal
  
  How realistic is it to live completely off the grid in these suburban solar panelled houses? If they do need the grid to some extent is some payment towards its maintenance fair?
  
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  July 17, 2020 9:36am
  - Ian Boag
    
    My son in Sydney looked into this. There are apparently all sorts of regulatory things that stop the use of “part time black connections”. I don’t know what the technical basis is – there may not be one – but “panels+battery+ disconnect some of the time” is not a starter there.
    
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    July 17, 2020 10:11am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    It’ll be easy in 5-10 years once batteries and autonomous EV’s are cheap. You can use an EV charged elsewhere to top up your house in bad weather.
    
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    July 17, 2020 10:52am
buzzler

On the 5th of August, the extended wage subsidy will finish. It will be interesting to see how many more Kiwis will be out of work. If the numbers sky rocket then it will cause problems for Jacinda and Co. We are in for some interesting times.
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July 17, 2020 8:44am
- NoCash
  
  Or the COL will extend the scheme till after the election.
  
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  July 17, 2020 9:46am
- Random T Person
  
  On the 7th, my house settles and I get 10c to put in the bank.
  
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  July 17, 2020 9:47am
Two bob

Silly old winston has swallowed rio tintos bait and actually thinks theyre gunna close, poor old fool can someone please tell him its just a corporate power play to extort govt/Taxpayer money.
he should instead be demanding they pay the 250+million rehabilitation funds into a trust so they dont ditch the mess on the govt (like failed oil and gas wells up north) after all they cant afford a power bill thats a bit higher then they want how can they pay to clean up?

Theres a 6month window to negotiate power until then its closure is just a blackmail threat, wintsons idea to buy the smelter is retarded as the nearest bauxite will likely be from a rio tinto mine and im sure theyll give us a bargain price ay!!!
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July 17, 2020 8:44am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The aim was to translate water into foreign exchange. That fuelled NZ aspirations for years. The significance of the foreign exchange contribution to NZ from the sale of the metal should not be ignored.
  
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  July 17, 2020 9:48am
- RJ
  
  They aren’t allowed to ditch a mess and leave, it has to be returned to its previous condition.
  
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  July 17, 2020 9:51am
  - Two bob
    
    yea corporations are renowned for doing the right thing…
    
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    July 17, 2020 10:44am
- Clyde
  
  Winston is wrong about the idea of the Govt buying the smelter for a whole lot of reasons. The aluminium industry has been turned on its head by China who control the whole process from mining, smelting and downstream manufacturing. The Tiwai smelter is such a tiny part of that industry it doesn’t even count.
  
  And before anyone else thinks that subsituting Tesla or hydrogen manufacturing is a good idea, think again. A huge datacentre would also only employ a few dozen people.
  
  The only option at the moment is to spill water from Manapouri for a couple of years until the Transpower network can be reconfigured so that its power can be part of the grid. Bear in mind that it is Benmore that basically supplies the North Island and that not much improvement in meeting Auckland’s demands for power can be achieved before there is another Cook Strait cable and a lot more infrastructure designed and built at Benmore and Haywards. It isn’t an easy job to do.
  
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  July 17, 2020 10:00am
  - david
    
    Presumably you would also need an additional set of transmission lines overland in both islands to carry the load. What a nightmare trying to get approvals from ‘000s of landholders , NIMBY groups and conservation interests battling the concept all the way.
    A lot of theM would return Manapouri to the fantails given half a chance but would be unable to recognise the extent to which our economy is integrated and is as we speak being fragmented into a state of destruction.
    
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    July 17, 2020 11:58am
mark15

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12348699
Those pesky ‘long barrelled firearms’ again.
Something must be done.
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July 17, 2020 8:46am
- Brian Marshall
  
  And the Judge making excuses for him. Either his lawyer is gifted or the Judge is gullible.
  
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  July 17, 2020 9:20am
- sooty
  
  I hope they took his firearm and his licence off him!
  
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  July 17, 2020 9:21am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Has anyone read the comments from the soft cock judge?
  
  “Your moral compass was set on an antisocial course, none of that was your doing,” he said.
  
  We need to some decent judges.
  
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  July 17, 2020 9:32am
  - cmm
    
    What shocking social engineering from the judge.
    
    Sorry mate your offending is out of your control. You can’t do anything to improve your life. It was all set in stone 300 years ago…
    
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    July 17, 2020 12:44pm
NoCash

Go Go Goya!!!
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July 17, 2020 8:51am
Maggy Wassilieff

It’s like the Media don’t understand Democracy..
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/421399/judith-collins-bid-to-underscore-strong-team-brand-in-reshuffle

So Simon didn’t vote for Judith, but is willing to work with her…. why is that so strange?

Isn’t it what most of us do everyday when we don’t get our way with our partners, our workmates, our teams, our councils, our governments?
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July 17, 2020 8:53am
- Frank Thomas
  
  The Herald is running a fake news story about this As well.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12348674
  The Media Party is in full overdrive.
  
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  July 17, 2020 8:58am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Why don’t we get more domestic articles like problems of infant minding and solutions to that?
    
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    July 17, 2020 9:50am
  - Paulus
    
    Look the Herald got their share of $50,000,000 so why should the piper not play the tune and they dance to it – nothing new as not able to tell the truth when they are told not to.
    
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    July 17, 2020 11:08am
- Loddenthinks
  
  It’s the way normal, responsible adults behave – hence it’s so foreign to journalists and lefties.
  
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  July 17, 2020 8:58am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Foreign to children.
    Fixed it
    
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    July 17, 2020 9:02am
- Ruawai
  
  Surely it is better to have a lot of cooks in the kitchen rather than no one who can even boil an egg.
  
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  July 17, 2020 9:06am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Labour have both Parker and Little in their top 10, plus Robertson who had stabbed the last 4 leaders in the back as well.
    
    And they still can’t even boil an egg.
    
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    July 17, 2020 9:26am
- Classic Liberal
  
  It just means that there is so much talent in National that various people were worth considering. It’s not like running a big portfolio does not take strong leadership skills. Just hope Muller is up to it!
  
  And funny how transparency from Judith and Bridges re whom they voted for is now such a bad thing to the media…
  
  Judith so far seems absolutely the right choice out of all the talent. Not holding grudges but putting people to work in their best capacity.
  
  And I’ll emphasise this again: Financial conservative but social liberal without the racist and sexist identity politics. What NZ and the world needs.
  
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  July 17, 2020 9:50am
- Prince
  
  I agree, but it is more evidence of Bridges’ tin ear when it comes to politics.
  Did he not think that ‘I voted for Mark Mitchell, he’s a really good bugger’ would feed the media campaign against Collins ?
  Collins doesn’t need these fools white-anting her, her focus should be 100% on Labour.
  
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  July 17, 2020 12:09pm
Surely Knott

Newstalk ZB and the Herald both headline that Simon Bridges “takes a dig at Todd Muller over wasting time. ”
The actual interview it was Heather duPA who said Muller was wasting time. She said, ” How do you feel about Team Muller they wasted 53 days ahead of an election it’s such a long time that’s gone up in smoke. They’ve basically attached to the party a shambles tag are you a bit grump at them?”
Simon “Look, it’s not a state secret I was really disappointed. I would have loved… it would have been a privilege to lead National into this election. But C’est la vie. That’s the way it goes. You know we in a sense wasted a bit of time there and um there’s a bunch of complex reasons for that. But right now while we are the under dog we are making back that time…and I think we are going to finish this election more strongly than the position we were in a week or so ago.”
To then present that as “Bridges takes a dig at Muller over wasting time” is grossly misleading and putting words in Bridges mouth.
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July 17, 2020 9:06am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It’s the way of the left.
  
  Don’t we see it constantly on this blog, where our trolls fail to comprehend what we have clearly written and try and recast it as something else?
  
  Last night’s TV One News’ spin was all about National being in disarray … I wonder how much mileage the media will get with that?
  
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  July 17, 2020 9:33am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The trolls know what they are doing. They seem to be getting more numerous. I am going to have to get a better troll exhaust system and destructive traps.
    
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    July 17, 2020 9:53am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I haven’t noticed any new techniques from them… they seem stuck in a repetitive rut.
      
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      July 17, 2020 10:23am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        With brains the size of flea bites what else is to be expected. I’ve got some powerful biocides.
        
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        July 17, 2020 10:46am
- Chuck Bird
  
  It might be taking a little dig at some of the idiot MPs who supported Muller and rightfully so.
  
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  July 17, 2020 9:54am
Classic Liberal

Red radio this morning still putting Nikky’s and Amy’s resignations up as news. That’s yesterday’s news, left folks!

At least their interview w Judith showed how great she is: calm, sensible, humorous and very fair to Bridges and Muller. She sometimes just needs to tell interviewers to stop interrupting her. They’ve got into that habit. And they kept trying to get Judith to say something negative about Bridges and Muller.

But she’s so sensible she doesn’t fall for the red radio divisive nonsense. Awesome!
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July 17, 2020 9:08am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Check out this masterclass from Gerry Brownlee yesterday where he repeatedly stopped Lisa Owen from moving onto the next question before he had completed his answer to the one she had just asked.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018755259/national-to-confirm-auckland-central-candidate-by-early-aug-brownlee
  
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  July 17, 2020 9:45am
  - RJ
    
    That is the problem the media now face, Gerry and Judith don’t take crap for the media.
    
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    July 17, 2020 9:53am
  - Brian Marshall
    
    Gosh that is refreshing. It’s so nice to see an interviewed person refusing to move to the next question before they have finished answering the first question.
    
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    July 17, 2020 10:10am
  - bruceavon
    
    I don’t hate everyone on RNZ but Lisa Owen is bloody awful. Never lets the person finish before asking another question, whiny voice, says “with respect…” before saying something totally disrespectful. So many times have just wanted people to hang up on her. Suzy Ferguson is a totally biased disgrace too.
    
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    July 17, 2020 10:35am
  - kloyd0306
    
    Who knew that tax-payer-funded Lisa Owen and tax-payer-funded Tova O’Brien were twins?
    
    Both are nasty.
    
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    July 17, 2020 11:08am
- kowtow
  
  It’s all abut how the Media Party decide to spin.
  
  As it’s the nats , it’s negative and destructive coverage .
  
  Had it been a party to their liking it would be spun as ; dead wood being dropped , old faces making way for new , young , re invigoration etc
  
  The other great tactic of the moment is Wuflu , Trump and deflection . The more fear mongering theMedia Party do , the better the little old ladies feel about St Jax of the Plague and of course that puts the election in the bag .
  
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  July 17, 2020 10:11am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Better warn the little old ladies about tax increases inevitable under labour and greens. On op of their rates increases!
    
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    July 17, 2020 10:21am
  - gravedodger
    
    Moving on for socialists just rarely occurs becoming an MP for them is the best ever and they soon work that out.
    One move on offer is to give up an electorate seat for a safe spot on a list, to wit Kelvin Davis.
    
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    July 17, 2020 11:53am
Rocky Jnr

MAGA Make Aoteoroa Great Again
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July 17, 2020 9:09am
- RalphT
  
  But first we have to Make Ardern Go Away.
  
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  July 17, 2020 9:40am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    ☑️☑️Make Ardern Go Away☑️☑️
    
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    July 17, 2020 9:55am
Thought Criminal

National have proven particularly adept at shooting themselves in the foot during this election campaign.

For example, on a day when we should have been talking about Labour hiding donations and being referred to the serious fraud office, instead we are talking about National MPs moving the chairs around the deck again.

Now that they finally have a well known and capable candidate in Judith Collins, have they left enough runway to actually get off the ground?
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July 17, 2020 9:13am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  I think they have. Their new aircraft is the powerful short take-off version.
  
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  July 17, 2020 9:30am
  - Frank the tank
    
    F35 (STOVL version) – doesn’t need a runway
    
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    July 17, 2020 10:56am
  - freethinker
    
    Capt – You mean its a Hot Air Balloon.
    
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    July 17, 2020 5:25pm
- Gravelroad
  
  IMO all the Nat Party can do now (this close to the election) is to focus on some key, innovative, inclusive policies – and sell them carefully to the electorate.
  And – work hard to encourage, motivate and inspire wavering supporters to come back and vote for them.
  The time is not right for aggression and put downs orchestrated by smart-Alec internal advisors and consultants.
  Ordinary folk out here, away from Parliamentary politics, are starting to waver about the untouchability of Ms Ardern, but are nervous of the alternatives.
  If you’ve got something good to offer, do some clever marketing.
  
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  July 17, 2020 9:36am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The COL have put themselves down*. The gloves are off–they fight dirty with a $50M backhander to explain to he Electoral Commission.
    
    *~~Performance~~ Destruction.
    
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    July 17, 2020 10:00am
    - freethinker
      
      Kev – Perhaps DPF will run a poll –
      Q Do you regard the $50m gift to the MSM –
      1) A bribe
      2) An election donation
      3) Both
      
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      July 17, 2020 5:28pm
- mark15
  
  You should ask who is talking about it.
  
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  July 17, 2020 11:21am
Maggie Pie

This may be a little ‘off-beat’, but i thort could be interesting for some. Against my partners best advice at the time, a friend of his bought a brand new Tesla car a couple of years ago. It came with all the fruit and cost over 200k. (I’ve been for a ride in it up Vicky Ave and it went from 0 to 100 in about 2 secs!) Anyway, he’s been trying to sell it, but best offer so far has been 90k. When my partner just ran the numbers, worked out that if his mate had bought $200k worth of Shares in Tesla back then, they would be worth about 2 mill today.
How does that work?
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July 17, 2020 9:19am
- sooty
  
  There’s a sucker born every miñute.
  Ask him if he would like to buy a bridge?
  
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  July 17, 2020 9:24am
  - Rocky Jnr
    
    Doesn’t Cindy have one?
    
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    July 17, 2020 3:50pm
    - freethinker
      
      Rocky – No Cindy has burnt all hers and she can’t swim.
      
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      July 17, 2020 5:29pm
- Two bob
  
  Always someone eager to part a fool from their money…
  Shiney toy trumps a wise investment, your friend is quite simply an idiot with an ego and a fat chequebook.
  
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  July 17, 2020 9:26am
- Rich Prick
  
  Your partner’s friend could probably get into his car through the panel gaps. That might explain the depreciation. That, or the overnight software updates mean he has to get used to the new settings each morning.
  
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  July 17, 2020 9:37am
- Ruahine
  
  US taxpayer subsidies I believe.
  
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  July 17, 2020 9:51am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, on top of this The Musk chap has got offside with the US cancel culture. I wouldn’t touch his ‘dream machines’ but I do like his space travel.
  
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  July 17, 2020 10:05am
  - Batman
    
    Tesla’s have recently been rated as the worst US car brand for reliability and quality.
    
    They’re basically cool amongst people who aren’t car people but think that they’re cutting edge… And hypocritical eco-wankers
    
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    July 17, 2020 10:15am
    - Tall Man
      
      Greta likes them, almost as much as she likes takeaways.
      
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      July 17, 2020 2:02pm
- greybeard
  
  Tesla has interests other than cars, I believe.
  The Technology side of things, not just vehicles.
  
  “Tesla, Inc. is an American electric vehicle and clean energy company based in Palo Alto, California. The company specializes in electric vehicle manufacturing, battery energy storage from home to grid scale and, through its acquisition of SolarCity, solar panel and solar roof tile manufacturing.”
  
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  July 17, 2020 10:18am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Model S and Model X are both $130-140k new base model, $150-160k for long range models. $90k after a couple of years seems pretty normal. Most luxury cars depreciate 30-40% within first 3 years.
  
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  July 17, 2020 11:04am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    My partner can get you the very latest Porsche out of the UK if your interested Urbs? On-sold a 2 year old one recently for more than his client bought it for.
    
    Just saying.
    
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    July 17, 2020 12:40pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Saw a Porsche sold last year in NZ for a tad under $600,000. It was bought 12-15 years ago for $98,000.
      
      He bought a McLaren which will also appreciate every year.
      
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      July 17, 2020 1:57pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      UK second hand supercars are special case. Rich traders and other ostentatious city of London richies want new model and sell last year’s model very cheaply. Few right hand markets exist to take them
      
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      July 17, 2020 2:48pm
Ipanema69

Notes on holidaying in NZ during July School Holidays.

Hauraki Rail Trail Thames to Paeroa Section is awesome. Someone turn every disused railway line in the country into a cycle track. It is great fun with the kids. Jolly Bike hire is also equally awesome.

The convenient cow general store in Hikutaia. Get your act together being closed at 10.30am as multiple cyclists with kids wanting drinks and snacks pass through is a good way to go broke.

Cafe 131 in Paeroa. Really decent burgers (approved by kids) and great menu. Pretty decent wine menu and prices. Friendly Staff. Kids ate like lions at the kill after cycling 34k.

Grafton Chalets in Thames is great. Friendly hosts, great rooms and views. Great Spa after cycling. Continental breakfast option was also goood.

Nakontong Thai Restaurant Thames. Excellent reco from hosts at chalets. Kids still eating like lions at kill. Friendly staff and lightning fast service.

Te Aroha township. Well worth a stop on the way to Rotorua. The domain walking tracks and geyser are well maintained and free. Ironique Cafe is also very good for coffee and lunch. Definite right wing town. When the hi viz maintenance contractor in the domain aint happy with Jacinda you know you are in the right place.

Holiday Inn Rotorua. Ok but servicing the rooms every 2nd day is not helping with Covid. Its just a cash grab. Make it clear on the website that you arent a full service hotel.

The Gondolas at Rotorua. Get your act together. Its school holidays have all your facilities operating not just 50%. Luge is still fun. Overpriced.

Rail Cruising at Rotorua. Ok but you guys need to work on your winter operations. Great concept but the carts need to be heated. Also stairs to get in and out of the carts are essential for more mobility limited people (not me). Replace the two way radios in the carts. You will get your ass prosecuted if someone has a heart attack in the boondocks. There is no cell phone coverage over a significant section of the track.

All in all NZ is pretty good for a holiday but would prefer Maui.
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July 17, 2020 9:20am
Lance

Good grief… Simon Bridges was brilliant on the AM show this morning.
Articulate, funny and best of all he was needling David Parker who was slowly losing his shit.
Simon starting calling him “Davo”, Parker mentioned that he didn’t like that name, so Simon continually referred to him as “Davo”.
He ran circles around Parker, cutting the legs out from under Parker’s carefully prepared script on how National are doomed.
Why on earth hadn’t we seen his version of Bridges before?
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July 17, 2020 9:21am
- Surely Knott
  
  Thanks, just went to watch it. https://www.facebook.com/TheAMShowNZ/videos/2636170513337146/
  
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  July 17, 2020 9:42am
- Swifty
  
  Lance, do you know whether this can be listened to after the fact?
  
  I’d very much like to hear it.
  
  Swifty
  
  [Mod. See Sureley Knott @ 09.42]
  
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  July 17, 2020 9:49am
  - Swifty
    
    Many thanks.
    
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    July 17, 2020 10:16am
- Frank the tank
  
  Free from the shackles of leadership. Anecdotally that is what Simon is like away from the cameras. I thought he was his ponderous self on drive with HPDA who was egging him on re Muller.
  
  Bridges is someone that riles up most of Labour’s top ministers with ease – will be interesting how he goes against Angry. If done well he should be able to pull apart to woke laws Angry is trying to slip past the keeper.
  
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  July 17, 2020 11:01am
Tony Stuart

Did anyone hear Sean Plunket inviting listeners to submit their best slogans for National to use at the election? The one I liked the most was

Let’s do this – properly
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July 17, 2020 9:46am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Let’s do them
  
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  July 17, 2020 10:03am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    “They’ve done it to us, now let’s do it to them. Twice as hard, four times as fast, and with no KY”.
    
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    July 17, 2020 10:11am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Nah. Implies imitation of stupid policies like kiwi build.
  
  I like Judith’s “never give up”.
  
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  July 17, 2020 10:17am
- RJ
  
  We’re the party of accomplishments, not failed policies
  
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  July 17, 2020 10:28am
- RJ
  
  vote national, our youth party only touch on the issues
  
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  July 17, 2020 11:58am
hullkiwi

Many of you have been going hard on National and a number of the party’s MPs promoting policies that show they are really Labour lite.

But in the interests of balance, I would suggest you are not being fair, because it is not only National in Parliament that is Labour lite. I am referring to an Auckland city councillor and a Rodney Local Board councillor.

The first is Auckland Councillor representing the Orakei ward, Desley Lawson/Simpson (- DPF or Batman or Tony Stuart could probably give her CV as much as I can – but will not) is Chair of the Auckland Finance Committee – did she attempt to stop the 3.5% rate increase approved by Auckland Council yesterday? The hell NO, she proposed the motion. For those that don’t know of the lady, she is very much a National party person who isLabour lite in Council.

The problem for the lady, is after years of uncontrolled spending, and reduced income from Council activities, the council has a $750mill black hole. Reality says Auckland Council needs to reappraise what it does, how it does it and where its funding comes from. But that is not how it acts, instead it resorts to the easy option, a 3.5% rate rise. Has Auckland Coucil not heard:
1. People are losing their jobs;
2. People are taking pay cuts;
3. Businesses have closed?

So, the pool to pay a rates increase is shrinking!

Then there is the current Deputy chair of Rodney Local Board and former Deputy Leader of Act (now ranked 13 on the party’s list – the good lady claimed in Rodney local media that her demotion was due to “her success”). This lady is head of Rodney First a local ticket that dominates the Rodney Local Board. In 2017/8 the Rodney Local Board conceived and promoted the concept of a targeted local rate “to fix Rodney Local transport”. With some dubious publicity material 54% of locals responding to the survey with the Auckland Council 2018 budget proposals approved of the targeted rate. Armed with the approval, Rodney resident’s rates demands were increased by $150 per annum and the Local Board approached Auckland Transport. Their approach to AT was we have $4.5m per year, what roads can you deal. AT’s response was, “no can do, we don’t want your money”. So, did Rodney LB stop the local targeted rate? The Hell NO!

Instead, they reached a compromise with AT to fund 3 poorly conceived bus services costing $2mill per annum. All 3 services are poorly patronized and waste bus and driver resource. But there is another question, where is the $2.5m per annum that is being collected and not spent? Answer, sitting in Auckland Council Reserves. To add further misery to Rodney residents, the Council & AT covert this pot of money for their own ends in this period of reduced Council income.
To come back to the point of my post is to highlight that the Deputy Chair of Rodney Local Board, Beth Holebrooke, despite pretences to being representative of the Act Party, her actions shout Labour lite!
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July 17, 2020 9:47am
Tony Stuart

For anyone with time to spare at 10.30am this morning, Judith Collins will be making her first major policy announcement. You can watch it on the National Party FB page:

https://www.facebook.com/NZNATS/photos/a.527149817300618/3864773440204889/?type=3&theater
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July 17, 2020 9:50am
- Cassandra
  
  And it’s a great announcement, an infrastructure plan which is a game changer. National has selected a champion who will make a huge difference.
  
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  July 17, 2020 11:00am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Brilliant – they now need to ‘slogan up’ all the routes between the 4 cities where there are bottlenecks.
    
    This is an outstanding infrastructure plan and hits all the correct pressure points and doesn’t pander to any bicycle/electric trolley nonsense. It will work well in suburbia with the middle.
    
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    July 17, 2020 11:20am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I think the best thing of all was Judith having other MP’s on stage with her to take questions. Even first-term MP Denise Lee got to answer a question.
    
    She’s going to be like John Key, and give her Ministers and MP’s a degree of autonomy, not micromanaging as the last two Labour PM’s have done.
    
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    July 17, 2020 11:27am
- Ross Jones
  
  Yes! – Make the connection from Avondale to Southdown, start to make rail a network and not a single thread through the Newmarket bottleneck.
  
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  July 17, 2020 11:06am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Yes, and light rail from Puhinui to the airport, later looping to Onehunga, rather than a slow tram down Dominion Road. That was always the obvious answer.
    
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    July 17, 2020 11:28am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Light rail the airport is a complete waste of money. Will be subsidised forever, never make economic sense, and be barely patronised. Useless suggestion but typical.
      
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      July 17, 2020 3:07pm
- calendar girl
  
  I followed the link that TS supplied. After the first 10 slides (approximately), it leads to references to “Todd Muller – Leader of the National Party”.
  
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  July 17, 2020 12:49pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Try this one; you’ll get the full announcement and the Q&A that followed:
    
    https://www.facebook.com/NZNATS/videos/978141655978283/?epa=SEARCH_BOX
    
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    July 17, 2020 12:53pm
shogun

Had a call from Reid Research last night, one of the few times I’ve ever being polled.

In one question they showed the flaw with polling:

“In your view has the Prime Minister, Jacinda Ardern, performed Well or Poorly”.

I had to laugh on that one. It’s a very black and white question for something that is 50 shades of grey.

I did answer with the 80/20 rule.

80% of the time she has performed well, 20% of the time she has performed poorly.

But the 20% has impacted 80% of the country in the most negative ways.
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July 17, 2020 10:21am
Jack5

A survivor from the Christchurch mosques massacre is reported to have taken part in celebrations in Turkey marking the transforming of the famous Hagia Sophia back into a mosque.

The Hagia Sophia, a UNESCO heritage site, was built as the Christian Cathedral of Constaninople in Byzantine times – between AD 532 and 537. For a thousand years it was the world’s largest Christian cathedral.

It was converted to a mosque after the fall of Byzantium to the Muslim Ottomans in 1453. In the secular Turkey after World War 1, the mosque was closed from 1931 to 1935, then reopened as a museum in 1935. According to Wikipedia, the Hagia Sophia was Turkey’s biggest tourist attraction in 2015 and 2019.

The Hagia Sophia has been converted back into a mosque by the Muslim fundamendalist government led by Recep Tayyip Erdogan despite protests from Orthodox Christian leaders, Pope Francis, America’s Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo, the Greek Government, and Turkish secularists.

Thousands of Christian churches in Turkey have closed over the last 150 years, and the Christian minority has been reduced by millions until now only about 0.2 per cent of the population of 82 million is non-Muslim. Before World War 1, as many as 25 per cent of Turks were Christian or Jewish.

The Christchurch Star reports that a survivor of the Christchurch mosques massacre, Wasseim Alsati, posted on his Facebook page pictures of himself in Istanbul (Constantinople) waving a flag in celebrations by Muslims outside the Hagia Sophia to mark its return to being a mosque.

Mr Alsati and his four-year-old daughter were both wounded in the Christchurch mosques massacre, the Star says.
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July 17, 2020 10:35am
- Swifty
  
  I’m quite saddened by the mosque decision especially as it has been done for purely political purposes.
  
  I would have loved to see more Turkish Muslims oppose it – naive on my part I suppose.
  
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  July 17, 2020 11:50am
- kowtow
  
  It’s colonialism. But we won’t hear from the Woke mob on this , wrong type of colonialism .
  
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  July 17, 2020 2:46pm
- Ed Snack
  
  Time to convert a few mosques to Churches, but I guess that would be racist or something…
  
  When that happens in India (convert to a Hindu temple), you get riots.
  
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  July 17, 2020 3:10pm
I remember when

So the Auckland Council has decided to make an effort to increase the number of properties listed in the real estate market.
Will this be the start of the decline in the value of Auckland residential properties?
Is it a plan to make Auckland more affordable?
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July 17, 2020 10:36am
Maggie Pie

I hope this doesn’t sound mean, but does anyone else find Chloe just a wee tiny bit sort of …..strange?
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July 17, 2020 11:46am
- Flossie
  
  Indeed Maggie. Glad it’s not just me.
  
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  July 17, 2020 11:52am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    One of the girls at work last night was telling us she thort she saw her the other day running thru a park in Ponsonby wearing an ill-fitting red check bush shirt and a pair of dungarees
    
    I bet she wouldn’t go down too well in Remmers 😛
    
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    July 17, 2020 12:15pm
    - sooty
      
      Late for latte!
      
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      July 17, 2020 1:04pm
- RJ
  
  No, that’s an insult to all us strange people, shes more special
  
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  July 17, 2020 11:55am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  [No, I know what that means. Mod]
  
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  July 17, 2020 11:57am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    are you sure Mod? how did you interpret the AE then?
    
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    July 17, 2020 12:25pm
I remember when

How unfortunate for Gerry, Duncan would have time for his list today.
Like everyone, I don’t know what affect it will have on the Electorate but it certainly gives food for thought.
The four lane Tauranga to Whangarei motorway gives the Port Auckland decision additional possibilities for discussion.
Don’t think Labour will be quite as happy as David Parker suggested this morning now.
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July 17, 2020 11:53am
I remember when

Maui dolphin surveys:
1985 Dawson & Slooten (small boat) 134.
1985 Martien et al (small boat) 140.
1998 Russell (small boat) 80.
2001/2 Ferreira & Roberts (aerial) 75.
2002 Baker et al (small boat) 79.
2004 Slooten et al (aerial) 111
2010/11 Hamner (small boat) 55
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July 17, 2020 11:59am
- Pharmachick
  
  Its a worry. If the population gets too small they will reproduce themselves out of the equation because of limited genetic variability. They’re almost at (for below) the minimum viable population size at least if you ascribed to the 50/500 rule:
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_viable_population
  
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  July 17, 2020 12:34pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    They don’t breed often enough
    It’s pretty much over for them
    Shame
    
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    July 17, 2020 12:39pm
- Ed Snack
  
  Is this extrapolating from survey sightings or actual sightings ? Because there are a number of toothed whale species that have either never ever been seen in the wild alive or only seen once/twice, yet they continue to exist and reproduce, as evidenced from the occasional find of a beached carcass.
  
  Or are Maui’s so surface oriented that you are likely to see a significant proportion ?
  
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  July 17, 2020 3:14pm
Maggy Wassilieff

The Nats proved correct once again

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/421423/covid-19-managed-isolation-facilities-queenstown-and-invercargill-locations-ruled-out
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July 17, 2020 1:05pm
- RJ
  
  I wonder if woods will apologise to Hamish now
  
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  July 17, 2020 1:34pm
  - kowtow
    
    Will the Media Whore who ratted him out ever be ratted out ?
    
    In an odd sort of way though the spill that caused could bite the Media Party in the bum . They were trying to screw the election against the Nats but I reckon they’ll get a Judith bounce and wouldn’t it be delicious if she got them across the line . Here’s to the Media Party if that becomes the case .
    
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    July 17, 2020 2:43pm
    - hilaryt
      
      Read Cactus Kate’s last but one…
      
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      July 17, 2020 4:28pm
Don Beckett

See they’re still bagging Sweden as poor performers over the Wuhan Flu.
The latest from Tony Heller:
https://realclimatescience.com/2020/07/swedens-economy-spared/ https://realclimatescience.com/2020/07/new-video-two-paths-to-herd-immunity/
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July 17, 2020 1:06pm
RW Capitalist

I have a story for you.
It starts like a fairy tale, but it’s all true.
Once apon a time (yesterday).
I had to travel to Auckland to have my test equipment tested for it’s annual govt. certification.
When I arrived (7-30am) yes I traveled over night.
I asked to use the toilet, I was told “No, we are not allowed to let anyone onto our premises, due to our covid19 H&S policies”. This was ordered from senior management.
PSST Jacinda, how’s that “Kindness” thingy going for ya?
A few additional notes.
I had to walk 500m to the nearest Subway to use the toilet.
They charge $125 per hr for this certification.
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July 17, 2020 2:02pm
Maggie Pie

I wonder if someone’s feeling a bit…..inadequate?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdDXRmYWsAAzc-G?format=jpg&name=small
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July 17, 2020 3:15pm
- Inandout
  
  MP. mere phallusy.
  
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  July 17, 2020 3:37pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Get that mask on sheeple.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLPRBCNIkCY&fbclid=IwAR0dyTdlL5PZOVhL4vORyTKXSsN7vIPgFKlh3wbQgWgTxKsbZY-o7UJAgpE
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July 17, 2020 4:01pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ1YLyuTMkw
The CCP Virus Reality Check For Australia.

There are the Confucius Institutes. China owns 10% of Australia’s water.
Prices have been jacked up. There have been recent moves to stop
Predatory take overs of struggling companies. Ties between Beijing
and Canberra have frayed. Canberra has suspended its extradition treaty with China. And it
has offered to let HK citizens move there.
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July 17, 2020 4:15pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKUpBw9hZRE

Presitator Reappears.

It’s a tad wet in most of China at the moment. The MSM there
Only allow stories with a positive outcome. The most optimistic
Spin is applied. Suffering is ignored. This is all at the insistence of the presitator
Since 2017. GDP is up 3.2%. Most other economic indicators have fallen.
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July 17, 2020 4:16pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

New drug that fixes everything, Phucumol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxpyN5wuQC8
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July 17, 2020 4:45pm
Maggie Pie

My partner likes to keep his finger in a few pies…..

https://twitter.com/newscomauHQ/status/1283931926437359617
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July 17, 2020 4:50pm
- RJ
  
  What are they complaining for, it looks cooked
  
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  July 17, 2020 5:31pm
Prince

Stuff.
“Trusted Journalism has never been so important.”
On the day National announce $31B infrastructure plan, the top headlines on Stuff read…
“ITM Cat Rodney found alive.”
“PM Painting emotional”
“Small town overrun by wandering horses”
“Battle for credit on campervan trip”
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July 17, 2020 5:51pm
RJ

Was Kiri Allan just on one news talking about her brother going to jail to get votes?
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July 17, 2020 6:18pm
info@cruzpro.com

Because of the obvious pro Labour media bias, I try to get my news from multiple sources. Stuff is one of those sources.

Occasionally Stuff allows for reader feedback, but not very often. What can we collectively do to force Stuff to be more “user friendly” and allow reader feedback?

Is there any mechanism where we can coerce Stuff to allow us to voice our opinions?

Any good ideas?
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  Sure, don’t waste your time with stuff. They aren’t interested in feedback that does not fit their agenda
  
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