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All_on_Red

“Very sad to hear of Ghisline Maxwell’s suicide”
-Hillary Clinton

Interesting the indictment only got unsealed two weeks after Trump fired the DAG at SDNY…
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July 3, 2020 8:03am
- JibberJabber
  
  From the Twitter,
  
  Some tips for the government in #GhislaineMaxwell arrest: 1. No sleepy prison guards 2. No malfunctioning cameras in cell 3. No visitors with the last name Clinton.
  
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  July 3, 2020 8:08am
- SB2
  
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  Nice pic of Ghisline with Jeffrey and” friends”. The good old days.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12345144
  
  LOL
  
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  July 3, 2020 8:41am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    What a sad little man you are Stephie. Have you forgotten all the witnesses who have testified to Bill Clinton’s regular trip to Epstein’s island?
    
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    July 3, 2020 9:05am
    - Justitia
      
      Indeed Tony. I believe Bill made as many as 26 forays to Jeffrey’s Caribbean island hideaway, for business purposes only no doubt. But it’s different when the Left do it. And of course Trump was a Democrat back in the day, before he saw the Light.
      
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      July 3, 2020 9:34am
  - Brian Marshall
    
    Sorry accidental uptick. For the record, Donald Trump banned Epstein from his clubs years before any public complaints about him came up. Linking US President Donald Trump with Epstein is trying to deflect the really close connection between Epstein and all those Democrat politicians. It’s also less believable than that Epstein killed himself.
    
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    July 3, 2020 9:19am
    - virtualmark
      
      Trump broke with Epstein after Epstein did (something unclear) to Ivanka.
      
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      July 3, 2020 7:03pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Note: That’s the view of Noel Casler, who was Ivanka Trump’s “handler” on the set of the Apprentice and who knows the Trump family well. So the “(something unclear)” reference is because Noel Casler doesn’t disclose whatever it is that happened, but he’s clear about saying that something did and that that’s why Trump and Epstein’s friendship ended.
        
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        July 3, 2020 7:12pm
  - Inandout
    
    Nice try SB, Clinton loved that island, Trump got rid of Epstein because of the latter’s weird ways.
    
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    July 3, 2020 9:39am
  - RJ
    
    Oh my, who was the only one to help try out this scum away. It was someone called Donald Trump.
    
    Just because you know someone doesn’t mean you KNOW them. I bet your friends don’t know your history of perving at Muslim girls then coming here and posting about it, or other disgusting behaviour you have carried out here.
    
    An attorney who represented the victims of billionaire Jeffrey Epstein’s sexual assault said that in 2009, the only person that helped him was then citizen Donald Trump.
    
    Article
    
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    July 3, 2020 10:32am
- Two bob
  
  Nutha one for the clinton count.
  
  duno if they would be that stupid? if she does end up suicided it would be far to obvious.
  
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  July 3, 2020 8:47am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    and that will stop them why?
    
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    July 3, 2020 9:04am
    - Two bob
      
      yea guess youre right. everyone new epstiens suicide the day he got arrested and they still went ahead with it.
      
      how long do we give this one? Im guessing 5-6wks
      
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      July 3, 2020 9:31am
  - Justitia
    
    Only 56 “suicides” so far…..
    
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    July 3, 2020 9:35am
    - Two bob
      
      Arkanside if you wana get technical. isnt the clinton count up to 140 odd?
      
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      July 3, 2020 12:30pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Still better than letting her talk.
    I honestly don’t know about the Clintons being behind all those deaths but I am 100% convinced that someone is.
    
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    July 3, 2020 9:39am
- freethinker
  
  A prediction that may come true.
  
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  July 3, 2020 9:44am
- Jimmy White
  
  The failing newspaper piped in on the subject this morning with an article about Sia and her dancer Maddie.
  Only problem is it was dragged up from the bottom of the wastepaper bin as the following line shows
  “ Weinstein is currently serving a 23-year sentence for rape and sexual assault after being convicted in February.”
  
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  July 3, 2020 10:29am
- virtualmark
  
  Red,
  
  More to the point … Barr tried to change the leadership of SDNY because he knew the Maxwell arrest was coming.
  
  You have to remember that Barr’s family goes *way* back with Epstein – the Barrs are more tightly wound in with Epstein than the Trumps are. My own speculation is that Barr wanted to be AG so he could “manage” the Epstein situation.
  
  I’m sure there will be a genuinely interesting book written about Epstein’s history with the Barrs, Maxwells, Khashoggi, Israel etc.
  
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  July 3, 2020 7:06pm
Classic Liberal

LOL this morning Gluckman was so angry and frustrated in Red Radio interview: the daft interviewer was utterly confused by the law word ‘elimination’. Gluckman says reopening the borders is important, vaccine is years away and won’t be 100% and some covid cases in NZ will be inevitable. Testing, quarantine and contact tracing are the only way.

The funny part: he said the use of the word ‘elimination’ was a *communication* failure!

What was our PTPM meant to be so great at?
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July 3, 2020 8:04am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And when Helen Clark and Rob Fyfe are also arguing against our Island lockdown, our poor PTPM won’t know which way to nod her head.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018753356/influential-figures-call-for-border-reopening-strategy
  
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  July 3, 2020 8:13am
  - fernglas
    
    Unfortunately, middle New Zealand, whoever that may be, is so terrified of this virus that they would rather see us go to the wall than risk it coming in. Our leaders need to be telling us the truth; it’s not that bad, you won’t die unless you’re over 80 or morbidly obese, and even then, you are most likely not going to even get symptoms let alone end up in an ICU. But they are now too invested in this “team of 5 million” nonsense. This government would trade our children’s futures for another term in power, and the arrogance of that is simply breathtaking. Thank god the scales are falling from the eyes of some educated, intelligent and influential people. I hope they will also fall from the eyes of others, and that they will be allowed to by this government.
    
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    July 3, 2020 8:34am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      ☑️☑️Get the borders open☑️☑️
      
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      July 3, 2020 8:44am
    - Chris R
      
      I disagree. NZ’ers are not “terrified” of the virus. Jacinda is terrified of easing her very ugly controls on us all. This is not about the health of the nation, it is about Jacinda’s determination to retain power despite her blatant inadequacies. I detest the silly woman and keenly await the day she is “shovel ready” for the Opposition Benches.
      
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      July 3, 2020 8:54am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Socialists do not relinquish control without a fight
        
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        July 3, 2020 9:25am
      - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
        
        The moment she loses (if she loses, because in Sheeple she trusts), she will quit and get a job in UN. She won’t be sitting in opposition benches. Labour is still odds on favourite to win this election due to the number of duds we have in this country.
        
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        July 3, 2020 11:23am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Ooh ooh Fernglas I know how we can keep the country wealthy: tax, tax, tax the ‘rich pricks’ – I.e. everyone who owns a shack in Auckland and has worked hard and frugally saved a bit for retirement. Those dreadful rich pricks!!
      
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      July 3, 2020 9:00am
      - fernglas
        
        Don’t worry, if she has her own way, your shack in Auckland will be worth fuck all and your savings will be in tatters, so you needn’t beat yourself up for being rich, or a prick.
        
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        July 3, 2020 9:12am
      - Nickc2
        
        Yes, institutionalized theft is coming to a place near you. Your bank account and any other assets you may have.
        
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        July 3, 2020 9:15am
    - Martin Williams
      
      Boomers had already traded our children’s futures for their annual cruises.
      
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      July 3, 2020 10:05am
      - Two bob
        
        millenials and middle age women are currently trading everyones future in nz for a period of wokeness.
        
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        July 3, 2020 12:34pm
    - Brian McDonald
      
      Actually middle NZ is getting on with it, they’re the ones working right now and many also through the lockdown.
      
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      July 3, 2020 10:59am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Poor Jacinda
    She’s managed to avoid for years the responsibility which comes from making decisions and actually leading.
    Now she has to make the call on opening our Borders, knowing that if she doesn’t the economic damage is going to be epic and that if she does, then there’s a strong chance we will see more Covid cases.
    Well Sweetie, that’s what you are being paid all that money for.
    Sadly for her, she has run out of time and can’t spin this out to the Election.
    We need to open as quickly as possible.
    
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    July 3, 2020 8:41am
    - Simon
      
      Yep this government is just chaotic.
      
      The goal seems to be to get through every 24 hour news cycle.
      
      This Helen Clark story about NZ the loser hermit nation would have been okay by Ardern first.
      Labour are just trying to get ahead of National on this.
      
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      July 3, 2020 9:16am
  - arkhad
    
    Here is their excellent 3 pager https://informedfutures.org/wp-content/uploads/Re-engaging-NZ-with-the-world.pdf
    
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    July 3, 2020 10:55am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    Why the hell Corrin Dan couldn’t understand what Gluckman was saying is boggling. Others have said before months ago, it is no surprise. Waste of interview time.
    
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    July 3, 2020 10:56am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      Corin Dann is a card carrying resident commie evil. I am surprised why he is not in Labour list yet.
      
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      July 3, 2020 11:25am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    Not you too Maggy. Talking about the limited and safe opening of the borders isn’t “also arguing against our Island lockdown.”
    The shrills have 2 positions on everything “do it,” then if something goes wrong “you shouldn’t have done that.”
    Just has Gluckman had to correct Dann each time Dann quoted him?
    The real panic is here on KB? The arguments are we need to open the borders and the reply is yes but carefully as is happening. The argument that middle NZ is panicking is nonsense it’s a few KBs desperate about an election.
    
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    July 3, 2020 11:11am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      The arguments are we need to open the borders and the reply is yes but carefully as is happening.
      
      That’s what I favour…
      and it’s what could always have been happening with decent quarantine and testing procedures…
      
      Not a slack-arsed approach that mixes up folks at different stages of quarantine, or fails to register/check correct details of arrivals, or fails to test folks in isolation, or fails to instruct security guards in how to carry out their duties, etc.
      
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      July 3, 2020 11:19am
      - Brian McDonald
        
        Of course Maggie, and that is why new border control is in place. The criticisms of the leaks are warranted but common sense and observing the rules were also expected. Now we see it has to be enforced and monitored at a higher level than trust. Everyone got a sharp reminder and we cannot ignore Corona 19 still appears not to have peaked.
        Probably a majority favours gradual re-opening with the caveat ‘safely,’ when Dann put to Gluckman that we had a high standard of border control he said we didn’t and pointed to the recent problems. Dann is deeply confused on this and repeated the same question in different ways getting rebuffed each time, he also unsuccessfully tried to put words in Gluckman’s mouth.
        Things are moving on while some folks want to milk errors and things learned long after their use-by date.
        Too many people crying wolf means the community switch off because they live in a bigger world than KB. Important to note when the majority on KB was against the lockdown public sentiment was recorded as highly in favour of it. Then the “herders” got their comeuppance in Sweden, Victoria, and other places.
        I heard yesterday the Minister is visiting Motels and Hotels this week, to think there are no thoughts about the suitability of increasing inward arrivals, including possible students, is silly.
        
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        July 3, 2020 11:47am
- 3-coil
  
  CL – Jacinda’s forté is lying, followed by: obfuscation, arrogance, avoidance, sexism, unkindness, racism, denial, butchering the English language, NZ’s economic destruction, hypocrisy, cuddling up to Winston, blaming, flouncing, selective morality, appeasement, protecting sex pests, history revisionist, weak “leadership”, vanity, apologist….etc.
  
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  July 3, 2020 8:26am
  - cmm
    
    So many superpowers!
    
    She is wasted captaining Team 5 million.
    She should be captaining 7 billion!
    
    #CinD4UN!
    
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    July 3, 2020 8:47am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That’s quite an impressive resume
    
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    July 3, 2020 8:48am
  - Paulus
    
    3 -oil
    Apart from those you mention she is clever.
    
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    July 3, 2020 9:36am
  - Inandout
    
    Gee 3-coil, and that is just the past 3 years.
    
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    July 3, 2020 10:09am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    You forgot her three genuine strengths – frowning, talking to the nation as if we were kindy kids, and hugs.
    
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    July 3, 2020 10:22am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      Please add head tilting at unbelieviable angles.
      
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      July 3, 2020 11:25am
      - Two bob
        
        nodding while giving bad news or lying.
        
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        July 3, 2020 12:37pm
  - artemisia
    
    You missed out flumping (in QT).
    
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    July 3, 2020 10:44am
    - tf78
      
      I’d love someone to put a fart cushion on her seat so she can flump down on that.
      
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      July 3, 2020 4:18pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Thanks for that. It is good that more people are raising the issue of our exit plan. Because there is no plan. There may never be a vaccine. The virus will never be eliminated. What situation are we waiting for to reopen the borders? I have never heard the PM explain this.
  
  The other thing is the scale and cost of the 14 days quarantine for arrivals. They are now talking about sending folk to hotels in invercargill and Queenstown. Not sure that will lift the mood in Queenstown.
  
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  July 3, 2020 8:34am
  - fernglas
    
    Tough for Queenstown. They had the good times, they can roll with the bad. Shit happens
    
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    July 3, 2020 8:48am
    - Bobba Fret
      
      I heard on the radio that Dunedin were not happy about being considered for Covid hotels.
      
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      July 3, 2020 9:27am
      - sooty
        
        If it got out into the wider population of Dunedin, it would raise the IQ level.
        
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        July 3, 2020 12:55pm
  - kowtow
    
    There never was a plan , other than the only thing these one dimensional morons can do , ban things with an absolutist mentality.
    
    They banned us from moving round and banned entry to the country . That was it.
    
    Beyond that there was literally no plan .
    
    How they can be credited with doing anything clever is beyond me. But they have an activist media you see.So idiots buy the messaging and can’t deal with detail.
    
    And now having achieved the Great Victory in elinading the virus , they find themselves in one hell of a stuff up trying to actually manage things.
    
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    July 3, 2020 8:58am
- Te Rauparaha
  
  We are being held in a concentration camp where the evil commandant Jacinda wishes to perform medical experiments involving compulsory vaccinations upon a mostly unwilling citizenry.
  
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  July 3, 2020 8:38am
  - SB2
    
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    Te Rauparaha, a revealing account of your fantasy life!
    
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    July 3, 2020 8:48am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I talk to people about the way out. Many people really think a vaccine will eliminate the virus from the world. And only then will New Zealand open its borders and we will all be happy again. ?
    
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    July 3, 2020 9:02am
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      1. The virus does not spread as fast as others. So a vaccine can cause the infection rate to shrink rather than grow even if vaccination is far from universal.
      
      2. A lot of the problem is paranoia more than the disease itself, which the vaccine will help with even if the risk is still there.
      
      3. If vaccination can eliminate the virus from some areas we can open up to tourism from just those areas. Many of the alternative tourist destinations will be ruled out, so we could get decent numbers despite fewer places to draw tourists from.
      
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      July 3, 2020 9:37am
      - All_on_Red
        
        There will be no Vaccine
        Just more effective treatments
        
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        July 3, 2020 10:41am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Why do you think there will be a vaccine? At least in the next 1- 5 years? There has never been a vaccine for any coronavirus.
        
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        July 3, 2020 11:19am
    - lifesgood
      
      You talk to halfwits, then.
      
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      July 3, 2020 10:50am
  - Simon
    
    Wouldnt worry about it TR. This lot too incompetent to implement anything.
    
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    July 3, 2020 9:19am
- JamesP
  
  He also made a good call that we clearly don’t have a gold-standard contact tracing system.
  
  But just when I was thinking he might not be a total spanner he deliberately downgraded Taiwan from a “country” to an “economy”.
  
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  July 3, 2020 8:47am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I’m offended. Can I report him as racist? ?
    
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    July 3, 2020 9:04am
- Two bob
  
  there should have been a plan in place PRIOR to lockdown for reopening strategy.
  
  mind you the only things the CoL has managed to implement has been made up on the fly, if they plan an opening its likely to take 3yrs a few billion dollars and no one will know where the keys to the border are.
  
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  July 3, 2020 8:53am
  - DeepBlue
    
    And if not before, definitely 4 months later. In the absence of any announcement her plan must be to keep the borders closed.
    
    Treasury should be running the PEFU based on closed borders for 1, 2 and 3 years… Because that’s how long a vaccine will take to roll out, if one was miraculously approved for scale production in 2020.
    
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    July 3, 2020 9:55am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Listened to it. Gluckman made total sense. The interviewer was thick as bag of hammers. Great New Zealand saying ?
  
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  July 3, 2020 9:01am
  - Inandout
    
    More like thick as pig shit, BY.
    
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    July 3, 2020 10:11am
  - Blackface Twin Reverb
    
    Hmm.
    Pretty sure its an American saying: Dumber than a bag of hammers.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNWnSbANjeA
    
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    July 3, 2020 10:49am
- Tony Stuart
  
  It’s almost inevitable that at some point, there will be a slip up with quarantine/managed isolation, and the coronavirus will get out into the community. Then watch the shit hit the fan.
  
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  July 3, 2020 9:08am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    It’s almost like JA wants that to regain control. But she must do it in a way that someone else is responsible
    
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    July 3, 2020 9:28am
  - Paulus
    
    Will not be reported under a COL Government until they are re elected then it will then be National’s fault. – Tova will say so.-
    
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    July 3, 2020 9:39am
  - DeepBlue
    
    Slip up is inevitable the longer this goes on, but remember how calisiviurus got into NZ.
    
    I fear that in the absence of a robust plan, some idiot will be so stressed they take things into their own hands. I hope that risk is on the government’s radar as saying over and over again ‘Team of 5 million’ does not ensure everyone playing the same game.
    
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    July 3, 2020 10:03am
  - Martin Williams
    
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    Certainly inevitable with Chris Bishop sniffing around for opportunities to derail NZ’s response.
    
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    July 3, 2020 10:08am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Your evidence of this is what Martin?
      
      Oh, that’s right. Lefties don’t need evidence; they just smear away anyway.
      
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      July 3, 2020 11:55am
  - Random T Person
    
    I was saying exactly this to my Mrs yesterday. It’s just a matter of time.
    
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    July 3, 2020 10:59am
- freethinker
  
  Classic – Answer to last sentence – NOTHING.
  
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  July 3, 2020 9:45am
- Loddenthinks
  
  A headline and article I thought I’d never see in Stuff: Coronavirus: Was Sweden right?
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/122011921/coronavirus-was-sweden-right-study-suggests-significantly-higher-covid19-immunity
  
  Instead of ringing her mate in England, she should’ve dialed a it further north and spoke to somebody sensible in Sweden.
  
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  July 3, 2020 10:25am
Yvette

Newshub headline – The National Party is “prepared to work with the Greens” to repeal New Zealand First’s ‘waka-jumping’ legislation that enables political party leaders to dismiss MPs.

Winston’s horse-trading of policies is widely reputed to be the demise of future oil and, particularly, gas exploration, in exchange for Green support of his paranoiac wake-jumping legislation – a decision initially made outside of Cabinet, which considering the Coalition agreed condemnation of UNSC resolution 2334, should have been an anathema to NZ First.

People may dispute this. and I’d welcome a detailed official account of what was proper about the ban.
The industry consultation, the research and prior public discussion that allowed Labour to take over the Greenpeace petition on this, allowing Jacinda’s image on protest post-cards (to be sent to her own Coalition Government), the preparation of major photo blow-up Labour “inpromtu” placards for the Parliament Steps in reception of the petition (Google any photos of the Nazi formatted incident), and Ardern juggling attending that with delaying a state luncheon for a foreign dignitary. [1] photos

How convenient for Ardern and Greenpeace, who willingly let her take over.

Now Green Party co-leader James Shaw suggested his party might vote for Carter’s Bill.
“… obviously we’ve had a 20-year position against the party-hopping Bill and I would imagine that we would vote accordingly.”
No, not so “obvious 20-year position” – you voted for it.

Fucking marvellous, James Shaw, but what about the gas exploration that has gone down the dunny meantime?
Ardern supposedly needed some morale crutch of virtue singling in her first big international trip as new Prime Minister but using the gas ban in fact rubbed the nose of France in it – a country that imports 95% of its methanol because it has none, from natural gas, itself – Ardern utterly wasted her virtual signalling, sort of “lost in translation” – must have left the French trēs puzzlement for quite a while.

Gone in a wasted fucking moment for the French – gas exploration – gone from New Zealand forever.
I’d have thought reinstating proper exploration for a product New Zealand can cleanly supply the world, or use to manufacture hydrogen the normal way (from gas, not water and electricity) is more important than reversing Winston’s paranoiac law which only applies to list members, not electorate members anyway.

[1] photos https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=Ardern+accepting+Greenpeace+petition+banning+oil+exploration&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi_m8q2qK_qAhU54jgGHbJsA7YQ_AUoAnoECAsQBA&biw=1609&bih=935
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July 3, 2020 8:07am
- Justitia
  
  Yvette you are correct on every count. The ban was all about Jacinda’s five minutes of fame, Winston’s disgraceful anti-democratic assertion of total control over the members of his “party”, and placating the lunatic totalitarian Greens. Has Muller pledged to repeal it?
  
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  July 3, 2020 8:44am
Clyde

Incredible. Megan Woods wants to use hotels in Queenstown, Dunedin and Invercargill for housing NZ’ers in managed isolation and as it turns out the people seem to be coming from India, Korea and Pakistan where Covid is still raging. Someone points out that the isolation procedures have been a shambles and all of a sudden the question isn’t about health and isolation but is racism. Suzy on Moaning Report particularly accusative. I’d like an investigative reporter (scarcer than hen’s teeth these days) to find out the countries that these returning NZ’ers came from who have refused to be contacted after leaving isolation without a test. Probably that’s “racist” somehow….
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July 3, 2020 8:08am
- Unity
  
  Aren’t we all getting sick and tired of anything to do with race?!! I certainly am. Please, let us just forget about the racial side of things and just become people.
  
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  July 3, 2020 8:43am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Is it such a good idea to distribute the quarantine sites around the country? (Yes, I know it helps the empty hotels.)
  
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  July 3, 2020 8:44am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Maybe they are running out of Auckland hotels.
    
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    July 3, 2020 8:54am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      There’s school holidays coming up.
      
      Would you and your loved ones wont to hang out anywhere close to an quarantine/isolation facility?
      
      Look who has been introducing the virus into the Melbourne suburbs from the isolation hotels.
      
      https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/premier-s-team-takes-cover-over-hotel-quarantine-20200702-p558ip.html
      
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      July 3, 2020 9:13am
      - Inandout
        
        Maggy, I am agonised between a motel (even 5 star) full of homeless or a hotel full of covids; thinks…..I will do day trips.
        
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        July 3, 2020 10:14am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Not much good if someone gets sick in Queenstown. It’s not as if they have a proper hospital there.
    
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    July 3, 2020 9:08am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Still don’t know why the military/defence bases are not being used. There are plenty of beds there, right through NZ. Whangaparaoa, Whenuapai, Papakura, Waiouru, Ohakea?
      Who is paying for these hotels anyway?
      
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      July 3, 2020 9:37am
      - Paulus
        
        Waiouru and Ohakea are cold, wild, unpleasant places, unsuitable for lovely people from overseas – service not too hot either I expect.
        
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        July 3, 2020 9:42am
      - Two bob
        
        cant have potential dole bludgers and labour voters staying in scummy military facilities. got to be 4 or 5star jacinda is nice and kind.
        
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        July 3, 2020 10:34am
      - oldgolfer
        
        You. And me. And the bloke down the road.
        
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        July 3, 2020 11:02am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        We are paying for the hotels.
        
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        July 3, 2020 11:21am
      - Roy
        
        Plenty of beds available military/defencee bases.???
        
        Were did you pluck that idea from?
        Consider.
        If there are a few hundred spare beds9ie about a days worth of returnees. What would you do with current serving forces. Lock them in their barracks so not to mix with returnees.
        
        There are so many questions that it rapidly makes one realise this is bordering on a stupid idea as a solution.
        
        Yes, am ex military and am pissed that you want to throw current serving forces under the bus for a stupid idea.
        
        You are not related to David Clark are you???
        
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        July 3, 2020 1:14pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Roy. Those defence bases are full of beds, even some 25 at Whenuapai. I have only mentioned a few places. There are many more as you go south.
        My grandson did a LSV course last year, out of Whenuapai. They shacked up somewhere out west, dunno where, but there were about 300 involved.
        I suggest you ask some of your ex military mates about how many beds there are.
        
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        July 3, 2020 2:40pm
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    If you really have a herd immunity strategy in mind, the best thing you could do is seed the virus all over the country as quickly as possible.
    
    Pepperpotting “quarantine” facilities all over NZ would be the fastest way to achieve this objective.
    
    Wait, I hear you say. That isn’t the strategy, the strategy is to confine, control and eliminate (or eradicate).
    
    So why is the strategy for fast dissemination objectively the same as the policy they are rolling out?
    
    Convince me I am wrong!
    
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    July 3, 2020 11:40am
- Prince
  
  Ferguson was really tying herself up in knots trying to claim it was racist to single out Kiwis returning from those countries.
  
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  July 3, 2020 8:50am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Are they returning Kiwis or a another lot of migrant workers hoping for citizenship?
  Who is running this scam?
  Is money involved?
  
  What other nations have set up COVID19 isolation, quarantine facilities in their top international tourist areas?
  Are there Darwin awards for that?
  
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  July 3, 2020 8:53am
  - Paulus
    
    I understand many have dual nationality which is why they can come and go as they wish – better money and facilities here for large families.
    
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    July 3, 2020 9:44am
  - Brian Marshall
    
    I suspect a lot are permanent residents. So not citizens that have a right to return, but overseas citizens with a right to live and reside in NZ. If you were in China or India, would you rather be there and sick or in NZ where treatment is better and free?
    
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    July 3, 2020 10:46am
  - fernglas
    
    It may have something to do with the fact that there are no international tourists in Queenstown and as a result the hotels have been laying off staff and closing down. Ask the average hotel worker which they would prefer; a job or the negligible (to date no cases) chance of infection with a relatively mild illness.
    
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    July 3, 2020 11:19am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Ask a Travel Agent would they take the risk of promoting a location with a known risk to their customers? With the potential legal risks and costs so attached what business person would go near it?
      
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      July 3, 2020 2:08pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “What other nations have set up COVID19 isolation, quarantine facilities in their top international tourist areas?”
    
    Australia
    
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    July 3, 2020 11:21am
  - Jack5
    
    After years of the citizenship-for-enrolment rorts run by universities and private institutions (these often overseas owned), a horde of people now have NZ as a safe haven.
    
    The universities and the immigration industry have sold out on New Zealand.
    
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    July 3, 2020 12:57pm
- MCos
  
  As it turns out someone told the MP down there that 11,000 people from Korea, Pakistan & India could be quarantined in Dunedin, Invercargill & Queenstown.
  The MP is Hamish Walker whose patch includes neither Dunedin or Invercargill.
  Currently there are c6000 people in managed isolation so to suggest 11,000 are going to the frozen south is a clear exaggeration, maybe for political purposes. (Don’t know why; he has a huge majority in that electorate).
  I’m not sure why he should single out these Asian New Zealanders when there’s no telling who is going anywhere, but his whole message sounds like a dog whistle to me.
  I note on his flyer no indication from whence he received his info. Clearly an ill informed source.
  He finishes off by saying it’s a disgrace that the local community hadn’t been consulted. Well maybe this flyer shows why.
  https://twitter.com/david_cormack/status/1278556327724236800?s=21
  
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  July 3, 2020 9:15am
  - Two bob
    
    he was merely pointing out the origins of majority of covid positives at the border.
    
    why do lefties get upset at facts and statistics?
    
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    July 3, 2020 12:45pm
    - Batman
      
      Because a lot of them desperately want the right to be racist, like they are in their minds.
      
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      July 3, 2020 1:09pm
- freethinker
  
  The Hermitage Hotel at Mt Cook is empty and in Administration its also isolated so ideal and probably cheap if 3 pies negotiated but then getting good value by coalition of clowns is an oxymoron.
  
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  July 3, 2020 10:12am
  - MCos
    
    Reopened today.
    https://www.hermitage.co.nz/Booking/
    
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    July 3, 2020 12:44pm
Maggie Pie

Watched the first half of The Bolt Report last night.
They played a vid of ‘born to rule’ Prince Harry, wanting to lecture people about what he describes as “….the evils of racism.”

Honestly, the arrogance of the man!
Not only did he think it funny to dress up in Nazi Uniform to attend a friends party, but now even his wife is seen all round the place wearing blackface.
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July 3, 2020 8:08am
- RRM
  
  He’ll always be PRINCE Harry to me man. Him and his brother are just a good advert for generation me. The way they have done everything right, and lived up to the Queen’s personal standard of dignity and duty to the country, and avoided the kinds of embarassing public freak shows their Dad and their Uncle have served up, gives me a lump right here in my throat. ????????????
  
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  July 3, 2020 8:16am
  - lifesgood
    
    Harry is a disgrace to the royal family. He’s always been a loose canon but hooking up with this vacuous, entitled, hollywood type was the most stupid thing he could have done. He is now totally beholden to her, as long as she can be bothered with him, or until he sees the light and splits. I watched that video and it appeared to me he was only saying what she told him to. He didn’t seem at all invested in what he was saying. What a complete and utter wimp.
    
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    July 3, 2020 10:56am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      Oh she’s not vacuous, at all. Her plan was remarkably clear, hence her “yachting” exploits. In between being a rent girl for the idle rich, she was absolutely working her way into marrying some rich fool.
      
      She thought she had hit the jackpot with Harry, but didn’t reckon with the tenacity of the firm. She has scored a 12 month remainder on the meal ticket, and gets to be the Duchess of Beverly Hills.
      
      I give the ginga whiner another 6 months before she kicks him to the curb and tries to divorce him in a California Court. She is going to clean him out, but fortunately he has nothing to take.
      
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      July 3, 2020 5:58pm
  - Blackface Twin Reverb
    
    …Him and his brother are just a good advert for generation me. The way they have done everything right, and lived up to the Queen’s personal standard of dignity and duty to the country…
    Right up until when Harry met Megan? :p
    
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    July 3, 2020 11:07am
- mark15
  
  I think there should be a UN standard of ‘ethnicity’.
  
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  July 3, 2020 8:20am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    How?
    
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    July 3, 2020 8:54am
    - Pharmachick
      
      Ancestry-informative markers
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancestry-informative_marker
      
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      July 3, 2020 9:30am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        I like the way it can be used to show 5 Armenian Ashkenazi clusters in Europe. We should have hundreds of mixtures worldwide making us mostly mongrels. Who’s to classify us?
        
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        July 3, 2020 11:14am
      - Pharmachick
        
        Yeah, I agree. The idea of AIMs was a bunch of geneticists trying to demonstrate the migration patterns of H. sapiens sapiens out of Africa. It’s had limited generalized success due to our admixed nature. Also, there are some groups (e.g. Native Hawaiians) that refuse to allow AIMs to be developed for various reasons, so we’re missing a bunch of the picture. That they can be used to find even a modicum is also interesting (ahem, E. Warren).
        
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        July 3, 2020 11:33am
  - freethinker
    
    I could make a suggestion but probably not in case it was considered not PC and Woke enough.
    
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    July 3, 2020 10:14am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, Harry hitched to the dark side.
  
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  July 3, 2020 10:17am
- Two bob
  
  Who actually cares about a bunch of germans masquerading as pompus english royals?
  
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  July 3, 2020 12:52pm
James Stephenson

It’s looking like there might be more going in our (and Australia’s) favour, bat flu-wise, than we initially thought.

Get out in the sunshine and make yourself some Vitamin D folks.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/07/02/coronavirus-why-arent-we-talking-more-about-vitamin-d/
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July 3, 2020 8:14am
- SB2
  
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  Don’t waste money on Vitamin D supplements. There is no evidence linking Covid and Vitamin D deficiency.Lack of Vitamin D is more a function of those who are obese, suffer diabetes, poor dietary choices, lack of exercise etc,
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12343695
  
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  July 3, 2020 8:55am
  - cmm
    
    Dr Stephie, you seem to be at odds with many medical doctors that both prescribe VitD and take it themselves.
    
    There is huge evidence linking VitD to the performance of the immune system. This has not been disputed for at least 50 years.
    
    Lack of VitD is dependent on many factors including those you mentioned, but you missed a few very important ones: location (how much sun you get exposed to), race (melanin in your skin) and age (older people have reduced VitD output).
    
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    July 3, 2020 9:12am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      and religion..
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/293505/hijab-wearers-risk-vitamin-d-deficiency
      
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      July 3, 2020 9:22am
      - Jack5
        
        The refugees UN funnels to NZ are mostly Muslim (the Latin Americans from tropical Colombia that the wake funnel into freezing Southland are an exception).
        
        Persecuted Yazidi and Christian women refugees from the Middle East are few in New Zealand. Has anyone come across a Yazidi refugee here.
        
        These victims of militant Islam are mostly shut out of the UN Middle East refugee scheme despite their being key targets of the ISIL scum (some of whom are being re-integrated into New Zealand).
        
        New Zealand’s refugee programme is an Islam-spreading disgrace. You won’t find our Woke media probing it though.
        
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        July 3, 2020 10:35am
      - Jack5
        
        Edit: Whoops – the hijab point. Persecuted Yazidi and Christian women aren’t impelled to wear hijabs in NZ. In their “home” countries they are for fear of otherwise being identified by Islamic extremists as non-believing “kafirs”.
        
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        July 3, 2020 10:41am
      - cmm
        
        Maggy
        
        It is quite outrageous how do-gooders are taking brown people (many wrapped in hijabs or worse) and then putting them into environments that are extremely biologically unsuitable.
        
        Vit D shortages end up causing all sorts of problems. Heck, in some areas black people are even getting rickets!
        
        Just look at the CV19 deaths in Sweden, London and USA. Dark skinned people are getting the worst of it.
        
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        July 3, 2020 1:19pm
    - Paulus
      
      Vit D are only good for those with deficiency principally from those without natural light and sunshine of which there is plenty in New Zealand.
      
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      July 3, 2020 9:47am
      - cmm
        
        Vit D deficiencies in NZ are significant, especially in South Island and among darker skinned, obese and older people.
        
        https://www.health.govt.nz/system/files/documents/publications/vit-d-status-nzadults.pdf
        
        Vit D is stored in fat and the natural fat cycle acts (or acted) as a moderator.
        
        In the old days (before food was almost free and plentiful), you’d store fat during summer/autumn along with a lot of that nice summer time VitD. Through winter and spring you’d burn up those fat reserves releasing the Vit D back into your body when you can’t make it due to lack of sun. Sweet, isn’t nature amazeballs.
        
        But then comes almost free abundant food and that natural fat cycle has gone. Now people eat more in winter and tend to get fatter over winter. So Vit D levels are lower in winter and you’re putting down fat so storing away some of that limited VitD, so Vit D goes down further. The cycle is now running in reverse. Bugger. Not surprisingly there is a correlation between obesity and VitD deficiency.
        
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        July 3, 2020 12:56pm
    - rangitoto
      
      SB2. Keep up your D3, Zinc and hydroxychloroquine doses and you will be ok just like Donald Trump.
      
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      July 3, 2020 10:53am
    - cmm
      
      Dr Sam Bailey form Chch. Active lady, not obese, recommends VitD and takes it herself.
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X3XNm7oIFA
      
      VitD is a basic building block of our immune system.
      
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      July 3, 2020 1:14pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Wrong as ~~usual~~ ever.
    
    https://emerginnova.com/patterns-of-covid19-mortality-and-vitamin-d-an-indonesian-study/
    
    Key Findings:
    
    Majority of the COVID-19 cases with insufficient and deficient Vitamin D status died.
    The odds of death was higher in older and male cases with pre-existing condition and below normal Vitamin D levels.
    When controlling for age, sex, and comorbidity, Vitamin D status is strongly associated with COVID-19 mortality.
    Randomized controlled trials are warranted to investigate the role of vitamin D supplementation on COVID-19 outcomes and to establish the underlying mechanisms.
    
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    July 3, 2020 10:34am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Get your Vitamin D directly, it’s free and does help maintain health.
    
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    July 3, 2020 11:18am
    - Two bob
      
      My mate pretty much has that word for word on his tinder profile.
      vitamin D means something else to most under 40s.
      
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      July 3, 2020 12:55pm
- Jules99
  
  In NZ we get no UVB rays during winter so you won’t be able to make any vitamin D until Spring. Sun has to be 40 degrees from the horizon. So supplement or sunbed. Your doctor might prescribe it for you if you are particularly concerned.
  
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  July 3, 2020 9:50am
  - cmm
    
    Not so sure about that. Perhaps that 40 degrees thing is more related to Northern Hemisphere conditions.
    
    I’ve got a UV sensor that is reacting well to sunlight here in Chch and giving pretty solid reading. Not as high as summer, but still substantial.
    
    This sensor is mainly tuned to UVB and I’m pretty sure it is working properly. If I go outside I get a reading, but no reading if there is glass in the way.
    
    Since glass filters out UVB and not UVA I am fairly confident I’m measuring UVB.
    
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    July 3, 2020 1:10pm
- RJ
  
  Here is an interesting article for you James
  
  A simple vitamin supplement could help reduce the mortality rate from COVID-19 studies show.
  
  Vitamin D, which is produced naturally in the body from sunlight, is believed to reduce the severity of many respiratory illnesses, but studies have shown a deficiency is evident in many patients who died from COVID-19.
  
  Newshub
  
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  July 3, 2020 10:20am
igm

Good Lord! Newstalk ZB lead item: Auckland has had a cold morning, in fact it was only a little above negative readings. Try Ohakune, Te Pohue, Kimbolton, or somewhere that counts. Auckland is not the only place in NZ.
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July 3, 2020 8:15am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Quite so. I have friends who farm at Apiti, which was blanketed in snow yesterday.
  
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  July 3, 2020 9:12am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Guys, Auckland only exists to Aucklanders that live within its urban confines. You must remember that many of these people are not even born and bred Aucklanders, like Mike Hosking.
    
    But this type of phenomenon is not unique to just Auckland, my wife (she is not NZ born) has seen the same in expressed by Wellingtonians about their perceived cafe/food/theatre culture. Then if you live abroad you hear it in the UK/London, Australia/Sydney or Melbourne or the US/LA or NY.
    
    Generally, it is a phenomenon of ignorance based on a perceived urban sophistication versus the country hick. But in reality it is ignorance and arrogance showed by the urban large city dweller and the rest of the population.
    
    The only way you ever address such ignorance/arrogance is by travel and education.
    
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    July 3, 2020 10:14am
    - KH
      
      Once Aucklanders used to think New Zealand only went tothe Bombay Hills. Now clearly New Zealand is only north of Greenlane Road.
      
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      July 3, 2020 1:00pm
- Interested Party
  
  It’s been colder than normal, but lovely clear still days – as you say hardly bad weather compared to much of the country
  
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  July 3, 2020 9:34am
- JibberJabber
  
  First frost of the year here in the Northwest of Auck.
  
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  July 3, 2020 9:39am
- Bobba Fret
  
  I live in Auckland and so far I have not had a day where I have had to scrape ice off the windscreen. It has been a mild winter so far. Oh no! Now they will be saying its global warming!
  
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  July 3, 2020 9:41am
- Nickc2
  
  This can only mean we have eliminated Global Warming then? That’s great, now we can cease all payments to the UN that we make under the guise of climate change/emissions trading.
  
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  July 3, 2020 9:42am
- Benedict Yu
  
  It was brutal in Christchurch over the last week, and pretty vile in Wellington when I visited earlier in the week. Wind chill.
  
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  July 3, 2020 11:22am
- MH
  
  a lot of those other names are lacking macrons.
  
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  July 3, 2020 12:57pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  “Auckland is not the only place in NZ.”
  
  Le gasp!
  You mean that there is more to NZ than Auckland!!??
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  July 3, 2020 6:09pm
Justitia

Finally I have discovered Cardinal George Pell’s true crime. He is a “climate denier”. You will recall the Cardinal was released from prison in April this year after the High Court of Australia quashed his convictions for sexual offences. In its judgement the Court said,”The High Court found that the jury, acting rationally on the whole of the evidence, ought to have entertained a doubt as to the applicant’s guilt with respect to each of the offences for which he was convicted, and ordered that the convictions be quashed and that verdicts of acquittal be entered in their place”.

Cardinal Pell has been a prominent critic of man made climate zealotry. He has given lectures and written extensively on the matter, noting: “pagan emptiness and fears about nature have led to hysteria and extreme claims about global warming. In the past, pagans sacrificed animals and even humans in vain attempts to placate capricious and cruel gods. Today they demand a reduction in carbon dioxide emissions”.

Clearly the Green Reich could not allow such a prominent and respected community leader to remain in circulation challenging their orthodoxies. If you thought the Greens were simply misguided but well meaning tree-huggers, think again. They pose a serious threat to our freedoms and to civilization as they pursue their vision of a totalitarian dystopia. They are truly “enemies of the people”.
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- SB2
  
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  The ” Green Reich” ?? No wonder Joe and Jane Public don’t take those like you seriously!
  
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  July 3, 2020 8:59am
  - David George
    
    It’s not a joke SB, in fact there’s a very good book out explaining why that term is entirely appropriate.
    THE GREEN REICH — GLOBAL WARMING TO THE GREEN TYRANNY. Ban everything we can, eco-tax the rest: this could be the motto of the environmentalists in politics. If human CO2 is the problem, then Man must be restrained, controlled, suppressed in every one of his CO2-emitting activities: that is to say, in the totality of his actions. Researching environmentalism from the root of its anti-humanist ethic to the staggering heights of its actual demands — banning cars, aircraft, meat, nuclear energy, rural life, the market economy, modern agriculture, in short, post-Industrial-Revolution modernity — Drieu Godefridi shows that environmentalism defines a more radical ideology in its liberticidal, anti-economic and ultimately humanicidal claims than any totalitarian ideology yet seen.
    
    The new book by lifelong environmental activist Michael Shellenberger: Apocalypse Never: Why Environmental Alarmism Hurts Us All looks like a worthwhile addition to the growing concern at the motives and legitimacy of the AGW movement.
    
    “On behalf of environmentalists everywhere, I would like to formally apologize for the climate scare we created over the last 30 years.”
    https://quillette.com/2020/06/30/on-behalf-of-environmentalists-i-apologize-for-the-climate-scare/
    
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    July 3, 2020 9:15am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    You need to take a trip to the Library
    https://www.amazon.com/Green-Reich-Drieu-Godefridi/dp/2930650249
    
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    July 3, 2020 9:32am
  - Nickc2
    
    Take your hands out of your undies Stephie, or you will go blind.
    
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    July 3, 2020 9:48am
  - freethinker
    
    You obviously missed the NASA videos of the Suns image over a decade clearly showing the lessening output. You may also want to research the infinitesimal quantity of CO2 and Methane in the atmosphere and demonstrate how such small parts have such a large alleged effect and then relate it man made climate change to the Flintstones driving their stone wheeled cars pulled by massive pollution emitting dinosaurs.
    
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    July 3, 2020 10:28am
- Loddenthinks
  
  So I guess you could say that a religious man denounces the religion of climate change?
  
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  July 3, 2020 10:35am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Possibly is jealous of the competition
    
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    July 3, 2020 10:45am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    All independent thinking persons should.
    
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    July 3, 2020 11:20am
- Inandout
  
  Justy, Victoria is in virus lock down again; funny that karma. As an aside, the Guardian hated Pell and did everything they could to destroy his name.
  
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  July 3, 2020 11:05am
- Two bob
  
  Pell vs Climate change.
  they both ruined childrens lives and stole their future.
  how dare you!!
  
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  July 3, 2020 1:01pm
RRM

It’s friday, the day after a big Ministerial resignation/sacking…
What bad news will they try to bury in this afternoon’s news?
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July 3, 2020 8:19am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I think there will be a dump of bad news.
  
  Parliament is on holiday for a couple of weeks…
  All the Journos will be organising child care or zipping off to the mountains….. No time to investigate what is really going on.
  
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  July 3, 2020 9:03am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  I assume, and would prefer to be wrong in the assumption, that there has now been community transmission and the whoremedia will (have to) quietly publish that but only after 5 PM, and only on page 19.
  
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  July 3, 2020 9:10am
- Two bob
  
  duno, im waiting for cindy to come up with a diversion for the media to fawn over instead of hounding her.
  im expecting baby news or wedding bells news prior to sept 19th, my guess will be 5-6wks out to get a surge in popularity from stupid sheeple.
  
  today there will be a massive doco dump with juicy stuff hidden away… no doubt clarkes latest fuckup theyre trying to hide
  
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  July 3, 2020 9:45am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    The rumours are [Mod – no rumours please].
    
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    July 3, 2020 11:41am
- Paulus
  
  Place near Auckland Airport next to be buried for $30,000,000 to Fletchers.
  
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  July 3, 2020 9:48am
- Nickc2
  
  NZ is bankrupt and the Chinese have foreclosed on all loans!
  
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  July 3, 2020 9:49am
- RJ
  
  The country declared bankruptcy on Monday, we are now Chinese owned, bow to the new overlord.
  
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  July 3, 2020 10:23am
- freethinker
  
  Could be Covid community spread? If so its Good Bye Cindy and Clowns and good riddance.
  
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  July 3, 2020 10:29am
Maggie Pie

Revelations were made on NewsHub yesterday, concerning disgusting Txt messages of a sexual nature, sent to a young woman by TOP’s Auckland Central Candidate, Joshua Love.

So just for a bit of a larf, I thought I’d txt HIM, asking if he’d send me a couple of ‘dic pics?”
And incredibly, he did!!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eb5Fp6pUcAAP4MA?format=jpg&name=900×900
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July 3, 2020 8:26am
- RRM
  
  Cool story bruh, but the truth is even better!
  
  https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/07/auckland-the-opportunities-party-candidate-resigns-in-scathing-online-post.amp.html
  
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  July 3, 2020 8:30am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    LOL!! You’re not spinning fast enough RPM 😀
    You need to keep up with the play …..
    
    https://twitter.com/IslaStewart/status/1278578605144981504
    
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    July 3, 2020 8:48am
- RJ
  
  Awww, he looks a bit limp
  
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  July 3, 2020 10:24am
KH

Team New Zealand and taxpayers money.
Every day the story turns another corner.
It looks like warfare between the public relations teams and behind the scenes string pullers.
And gets more murky every day.
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July 3, 2020 8:27am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Grant Dalton is fast turning into NZs deLorean, except without the humility and personal charm.
  
  Whew, what a relief we have only pissed a couple of hundy million at his schemes.
  
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  July 3, 2020 11:46am
Garbageman

“Calling me a racist is Labour’s default tactic when they are unable to defend their blatant failures. It’s not about race,” Walker said.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300047988/national-mp-hamish-walker-defends-remarks-dubbed-racist-by-labour
So if you dare even mention another race you are now a racist just another disgraceful vile lie from a scumbag Govt that plays identity politics as a form of race baiting class warfare they make me sick to my core
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July 3, 2020 8:27am
- RRM
  
  Labour “Chinese-sounding names” calling anyone else racist – BAHAHAHAHAHA! They are just garbage.
  
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  July 3, 2020 9:00am
- kowtow
  
  Not just the gubmint , the Media Party are the ones who whip up the frenzy , very much like the lynch or witch burning party of yore . Decent folk need to ‘get woke’ about these race hate stokers , we should be boycotting them and their advertisers like the left are doing in order to bring them to their senses.
  
  The destruction and division they are engendering in our societies is truly frightening.
  
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  July 3, 2020 9:13am
- MCos
  
  “It’s disappointing the minister doesn’t know where the majority of our live cases in NZ are coming from,” Walker said.
  
  So now it’s ‘majority’
  
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  July 3, 2020 10:14am
  - Garbageman
    
    Why should it be any MCos who the fk consulted those of us in the deep south about turning our town into a bloody covid concentration camp and you can stop your bullshit about it being a racist comment as one of the more intelligent people from the left on this site you should not stoop to your scumbag parties race baiting lies
    
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    July 3, 2020 1:24pm
    - Batman
      
      Why should the North handle them all?
      
      If they’re from the South, they should isolate down South!
      
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      July 3, 2020 2:12pm
Simon

David Clark one of NZ’s greatest comedians is gone. The performing seal went off message, dropping the ball and is now finished.
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July 3, 2020 8:29am
- igm
  
  He still will contesst his socialist seat (even a red monkey could win it).
  Would be real justice if he lost it to the Nats.
  
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  July 3, 2020 8:52am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Why a monkey? Even if you stand a cardboard cutout of David Clarke, Dunedin will vote for that. That is how great it is.
    
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    July 3, 2020 11:31am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Pity, David Clark was intellectual and compassionate. He’s simply not in the Labour mould.
  There won’t be a single Labour MP who will be able to handle the demands of the health portfolio. It has always been one where the Minister has had had to deal with aggressive lobby groups–no one is ever satisfied that health care is adequate.
  
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  July 3, 2020 9:05am
  - Simon
    
    Clark is gone because he attacked folk hero Bloomfield who saved NZ from the Black Death. This was very embarrassing for the Mong princess.
    
    Clarky had to go. It had fuck all to do with his portfolio which all the problems were simply swept under the carpet.
    
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    July 3, 2020 9:27am
  - oldfella
    
    So you give Health to a minister who’s already up to his eyeballs with other responsibilities, and will be part time – at best – till the election. A portfolio that should be a full time job.
    Shows you how much Cindy really rates Health.
    Lucky we’re not in the middle of a pandemic or similar health crisis.
    
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    July 3, 2020 11:15am
peterwn

Stuff – “David Clark, the minister who took on an impossible portfolio and lost”

Tony Ryall also took on the impossible portfolio and made the best of it. His aim was maximum delivery of resources. Labour uses Health to try and deliver political outcomes and to hell with Health.

So why is Stuff shedding tears for David Clark – foping for a share of the $50M media handout?
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July 3, 2020 8:31am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Ryall also introduced a set of measures by which DHB’s and ultimately the government and himself, could be held accountable for.
  
  What was Clark’s response when he became Minister? He scrapped all the performance targets.
  
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  July 3, 2020 9:15am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Labour ministers do not like to be measured as then that thing called accountability happens.
    They don’t do that. I’m sure wait lists have got longer since Labour have been in, but if you don’t measure them its ok!
    
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    July 3, 2020 9:46am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    “What was Clark’s response when he became Minister? He scrapped all the performance targets.”
    
    Closely followed by:
    Meningitis…killing 2
    Measles…outbreak, later exported to Samoa…killing 80
    
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    July 3, 2020 10:29am
- Jimmy White
  
  Looks like the cheque arrived in the mail
  
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  July 3, 2020 10:41am
I remember when

Vatican City 12 cases of coronavirus.
All 12 cases now recovered.
No surprises there then.
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July 3, 2020 8:31am
- Ruahine
  
  It is amazing what a few Hail Marys can achieve.
  
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  July 3, 2020 8:50am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    Let’s not forget De Pope also has a wall, with 24/7 armed guards armed with Evil Assault Rifles (TM) – SIGs, HKs and Glocks – plus pointy halberds.
    
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    July 3, 2020 9:16am
  - All_on_Red
    
    It’s the water perhaps
    
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    July 3, 2020 10:46am
hullkiwi

Labour response when caught out with a dumb idea, accuse the messenger of dog whistling and being a racist.

This is opposed to denying the veracity of the story or whether it is the truth.

So Labour have been caught out by a leak that they wanted to farm out new arrivals to Dunedin and Southland. Compounding the problem, it is unlikely they have the PPE or the people on the ground to keep the community safe.

So we resort to the line Hamish Walker is a racist. Just proving that Woods has never grown up and is just a school yard/union bully.
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July 3, 2020 8:32am
- Prince
  
  I’d give Woods the benefit of the doubt.
  She probably didn’t know the people in quarantine will be returning Kiwis, not native Indians, Koreans etc.
  That would be an operational matter so beyond her scope.
  
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  July 3, 2020 8:58am
  - kowtow
    
    Are they “kiwis” . What are the circumstances of these thousands returning from virus hotspots .
    Have they achieved citizenship and then shipped out back to their birth homes , are they NZ domiciled and paying taxes here ? Etc
    
    It’s not racist to ask questions . Afterall the Media Party were the ones who were chasing down every case during lock down trying to get every last detail of every cluster and their circumstances……
    
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    July 3, 2020 9:19am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Sorry, not so forgiving. Woods had spoken to the mayor of Dunedin about the plan. She wouldn’t front the radio, so it was the mayor who was fronting for Woods and started the name calling on Walker. By 8.30am, Hipkins had also called Walker a racist, and there was comment that Woods had also used the phrase. But at no point when given the opportunity, had any of the Labour party ministers or the mayor in Dunedin denied the accuracy of the story.
    
    So the bottom line, had it not been for the.leak from what it appears is Southern DHB, this plan would have started possibly as early as next week.
    
    In this case I go back to what Garner said earlier this week, the borders need to stay shut at this time (even to Kiwis wanting to come back) because as Gluckman has been saying this morning, there is no proper strategy to open the borders and keep those of us here safe.
    
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    July 3, 2020 9:45am
  - Paulus
    
    They will be dual, nationalities almost certainly.
    
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    July 3, 2020 9:50am
- Tony Stuart
  
  The challenge authorities in Pakistan have is that many citizens have been brainwashed into thinking that the coronavirus is a hoax, and attempt by the evil West to control their country.
  
  Polio eradication teams have faced the same problem in Pakistan and Afghanistan, where the vaccine is viewed with immense suspicion because of misinformation spread by the Taliban. To encourage more children to be vaccinated, the Global Polio Initiative people got the leading Muslim clerics to publicly endorse the polio vaccine as containing no ingredients that would be contrary to the teachings of Islam.
  
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  July 3, 2020 9:22am
- Nickc2
  
  Ah, but what about the pies?
  
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  July 3, 2020 11:39am
  - Two bob
    
    fergpies in qtown is top notch, perhaps megan just wants an excuse to visit more often?
    
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    July 3, 2020 1:07pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Be careful, she could become your new neighbor.
      
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      July 3, 2020 1:20pm
I remember when

So Joshua Love just experimenting to find out what a really short and terminal political life is like!
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July 3, 2020 8:33am
- Bobba Fret
  
  He was in the wrong party. He should be in Labour and attending the youth camp.
  
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  July 3, 2020 9:50am
Benedict Yu

What has happened to TOP? I thought they might have done better without crazy Gareth Morgan but they have sunk without trace.
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July 3, 2020 8:37am
- Tony Stuart
  
  They might have done better without Gareth Morgan, but they needed Gareth Morgan’s deep pockets in order to survive!
  
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  July 3, 2020 9:23am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Plus his character to create media stories. Like him or hate him, at least he got the msm a bit interested.
    
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    July 3, 2020 10:27am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Let TOP sink. Any party with Tax and spend policy needs to go down.
  
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  July 3, 2020 11:35am
KevO'Brien

A brief note about spending money created out of nothing:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/pandemic-politicians-dream-come-true
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July 3, 2020 8:42am
- Classic Liberal
  
  We have the kind of govt that would love high inflation once they get a ‘wealth tax’ organised. Soon everyone will be a millionaire just by owning part of a house, and then: tax, tax, tax!!!
  
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  July 3, 2020 10:31am
  - Two bob
    
    and the cure for high inflation is…. skyhigh interest rates, coupled with tax tax tax it would become very painfull for many
    
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    July 3, 2020 2:02pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Puketifinau. Where would the money come from to pay such a tax–out of thin air, like the gubmint?
    
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    July 3, 2020 2:24pm
SmokerGuy

Good to see Gluckman, Fyfe and Clark start saying we need a plan on the border. The exact thing Muller was saying on Heather Du Plussis program on Tuesday for which he was unfairly criticized by her and the other commentators on the huddle. I don’t think Muller has done everything right but he is starting to hit targets regularly now.
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July 3, 2020 8:51am
- Tony Stuart
  
  His questioning of Ardern in Parliament on Wednesday especially was very good. It was almost forensic in the amount of detail he was asking, and Ardern progressively got huffy, frustrated and angry, and had to resort to inferring Muller wanted to open the border without restrictions.
  
  Muller gave another excellent speech in Wednesday’s General Debate, not that you’re likely to see it reported anywhere in the media:
  
  https://ondemand.parliament.nz/parliament-tv-on-demand/?itemId=213831
  
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  July 3, 2020 9:28am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    National need to get better at reporting in social media and on commercial channels. Did they get spoiled under Key when the msm showed some interest?
    
    Don’t just wait: red Radio is totally bought by taxinda now and will barely report anything from Nats these days.
    
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    July 3, 2020 10:35am
  - Random T Person
    
    Thanks for including the link Tony.
    
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    July 3, 2020 11:02am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Nobody yet picking on Trump this morning. Too cold and the trolls still in bed? Oh well, here you go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50IA9dsekFs
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July 3, 2020 8:56am
- SB2
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Not hard to pick on Trump. His gaffes are legion,
  
  https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-25/-disinfectant-bleach-tweets-top-covid-19-after-trump-gaffe,
  
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  July 3, 2020 9:04am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Pot, meet kettle 😀
    
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    July 3, 2020 9:29am
    - igm
      
      Is that the goat man back spilling left-wing vile?
      
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      July 3, 2020 9:37am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    School holidays start today. Did your primary have a teacher only day?
    
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    July 3, 2020 9:42am
    - lifesgood
      
      There should be any holidays. They’ve just had a massive one during lockdown. Lazy sods.
      
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      July 3, 2020 11:02am
  - Jack5
    
    The Stephiestani syndicate whose current pseudonym is “SB2” is really buzzing on Kiwiblog in the last few days.
    
    With their grammar and colonial raj idiom it’s like having Peter Sellars performing his “Indian” role here on Kiwiblog.
    
    https://youtu.be/2nTBNHwar5o
    
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    July 3, 2020 10:16am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Old news, sb.
    
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    July 3, 2020 10:36am
- BeeJay
  
  Here I am, Steve.
  The USA really is a great country, but Trump is a moron! No fancy ad, prepared by ad agencies will help him now. The ad just preaches to his own followers, but too many have already decided he’s got to go, even if it means they get Biden!
  
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  July 3, 2020 9:21am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    What a vivid imagination you have. Trump landslide – bigger than last time
    
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    July 3, 2020 11:58am
Maggie Pie

Unconfirmed reports of numerous sightings were made yesterday, of what Wellingtonians thought looked like a ‘Bush Kangaroo’ driving a bus, at speed, along Lambton Quay.
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July 3, 2020 8:57am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Speed along Lambton Quay–5km/hr.
  
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  July 3, 2020 9:09am
  - igm
    
    Makes shopping in Porirua and Lower Hutt best option. WCC lefties have chased motorists out of city, hopefully businesses will follow as well.
    
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    July 3, 2020 9:38am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I think I have finally worked this out, although I don’t do cryptic crosswords or any crosswords.
  So this means skippy is like oma rapeti, oma rapeti?
  
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  July 3, 2020 4:33pm
JibberJabber

Jeepers, that Adam Schiff’s a treasonous little shitbag isn`t he?
https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/02/schiff-learned-of-russian-bounty-intelligence-in-february-withheld-information-from-congress-and-took-no-action/#.Xv3nqoUw-94.twitter
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July 3, 2020 9:12am
- Nickc2
  
  Yes, and we had some loud-mouth commentator on TalkBack ZB (employee) on Wednesday morning blaming it all on Trump for not informing anyone. We have some lying treacherous bastards contaminating our radio spectrum as well.
  
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  July 3, 2020 11:49am
  - Nickc2
    
    WRT above, this proves the TalkBack ZB (employee) was telling lies. If not, he may have been padding out time in order to get paid.
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/07/02/report-schiff-learned-of-russian-bounty-allegations-in-february-and-took-no-action/
    
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    July 3, 2020 1:04pm
    - Batman
      
      Right so a couple of things here too unpack. The first is Breitbart, who are not exactly a reliable source, who are citing the Federalist, which is in turn not citing verified sources. So if we play the same game as some, who say the NYT has not verified the Intel, then this claim must also be bullshit.
      
      However, if we assume it is true and Schiff or his staff were told, then that indicates the Intel was true and verified. The admin and Intel agencies would not brief the gang of eight or members of Congress without having confirmed the Intel AND having told the President. So that’s more proof that the White House has been lying, and hasn’t done it’s job.
      
      Further, I seem to recall a lot of people being mad about Schiff ‘releasing’ classified intel and using it for political purposes, in their view anyway. Well here we have a case of Schiff apparently holding onto presumably classified intel and not using it for political purposes, and now that is apparently the bad thing and the conservatives are all mad at him.
      
      Well, that’s great for them but all it does is confirm their steaming hypocrisy and spineless toadying to Trump. In addition to being a rather shaky straw man argument.
      
      Speaking of Trump, there is still the open question of whether he wasn’t briefed because they knew he would react badly because he’s a coward for Putin’s gain, or he knew and did nothing, which makes him a traitor in addition to being a coward for Putin’s gain.
      
      Pick your poison, Trumpette’s.
      
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      July 3, 2020 1:23pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Are you sure you don’t work in Hollywood Batman, that’s where most fairy tails are concocted? I’m sure if Breitbart has defamed Schiff, he would sue them and he hasn’t. Nothing you have said sways me to disbelieve what is written in Breitbart.
        
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        July 3, 2020 1:33pm
      - Batman
        
        No I work in the real political world. The one where facts matter and Breitbart is a pile of paranoid nonsense.
        
        I know you won’t believe me, and that isn’t the point. You’re not the target audience (until a later date when I’m proven correct haha).
        
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        July 3, 2020 2:22pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ROFLMAO
        Youve been wrong so many times you have no credibility
        Now you’re sticking up for Adam Schiff!
        Hahahahahahahahaha
        You’re a joke
        
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        July 3, 2020 3:00pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I give you an uptick Batman. Purely because you create debate, without the hate . DPF does the same LOL
        
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        July 3, 2020 4:37pm
greenfinger

Ardern and Robertson has zero idea on how to get out of this economic schtook. All they do is keep writing cheques and say the country have been saving for these sort of rainy day events. How pathetically lack of creativity. They couldn’t get pass the first round of a job interview in the private sector if they tried to.
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July 3, 2020 9:32am
I remember when

So TOP has gone to POT. Remarkable what a little change can do.
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July 3, 2020 9:39am
RW Capitalist

To edit my thesaurus
Take the meaning of the following to be the same
Incompetent
Dishonest
Lazy
Davidclark
are now to have the same meaning as “distraction”
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July 3, 2020 9:51am
- RW Capitalist
  
  NOTE:
  Jacinda talks about a “distraction” from the election.
  NOTHING about RESULTS for New Zealanders.
  
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  July 3, 2020 10:31am
Bobba Fret

When is a judge going to get serious about this guy. How many people does he have to kill or injure or ruin their lives.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300048141/serial-drinkdriver-in-court-again-sentenced-for-assault
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July 3, 2020 10:02am
stigie

What are the kids going to do in the school holidays where they were given breakfast and lunch because the parents cant be bothered……?

Oh i forgot, that’s right, schools are now supplying food in the holidays because fags and beer don’t help the kids.
This just might be another election bribe for Labour……, supply dinners in school !~
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July 3, 2020 10:10am
JibberJabber

One would have thought Ghislaine would have had enough clues to
(a)have found a pleasant place without an extradition treaty.
(b)have multiple deadman switches on her little Black Book in case of Arkancide.
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July 3, 2020 10:11am
Maggie Pie

CAUTION: ADULT CONTENT

What a coincidence……Bill & Gizzie were getting it on 😛

https://nypost.com/2020/05/27/book-claims-bill-clinton-had-an-affair-with-ghislaine-maxwell/amp/
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July 3, 2020 10:12am
DeepBlue

If we are meant to believe in one ‘Team of 5 Million’, it follows that:
JA is Captain
H1 is Coach and
H2 is Manager.

We all know it’s the coach who delivers strategy, the manager who organises and cleans up the mess, and the captain who fronts things on the day and gives press conferences.
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July 3, 2020 10:17am
I remember when

Forestry ‘Slash’ Residues: X GRC Report July 2018:
Plantation forest covers approx 7% of NZ land area. Approx 15% of forest harvest is “slash’.
Harvest residues are particularly high in areas of ‘storm damage’ and those with high levels of stem breakage. In these areas it can be as high as 25%.
Residues as a general rule, are beneficial when well spread over harvest area. Debris flows that entrain cut-over residues are infrequent, but high risk events.
The issue of high volumes of harvest residue moving off-site is complex as they occur infrequently, and with a combination of steeper slopes, erodable soil, and a larger rainfall event (or smaller events but saturated soils].
Biomass use mentioned as a possible solution but often presents logistical difficulties.
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July 3, 2020 10:25am
Engelbert Humperdink

My perennial grouch about the modelling of coronaviruses is that all of the modellers were so catastrophically, astronomically wrong that we would have been better off if there was no modelling, they didn’t pretend to an expertise they didn’t possess, and we were left to muddle our own way through.

We could not possibly have done worse than those clowns. For New Zealand – yes, Hendy, Siouxsie, & the Prime Minister’s telephone BFs in London whom she herself claims persuaded her to lockdown – I’m looking at people like you. You need to face disciplinary action in whatever ‘discipline’ it is that you claim(ed) to have expertise in, and be struck off, and never again be rewarded with a cent of taxpayers’ money until after the heat death of the universe.
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July 3, 2020 10:32am
- doggone7
  
  Going forward, the best thing to do is get in touch with all leaders of all political parties and the heads of all ministries and let them know you are available and have the right answers and approaches if a situation arises.
  
  You have it that it would have been better to have not consulted the ‘experts’, we should have just muddled through and couldn’t possibly have done worse.
  
  Hang about, if we’re not to consult experts, why would we consult you?
  
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  July 3, 2020 12:00pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    Well dg, since you ask, because I have worked on the ground/on the spot through SARS, swine flu, avian flu, and two separate Ebola epidemics. I’ve looked after cases, flown them to better care when feasible, and advised them, their families and their employers where relevant. I have also been professionally involved since January in the clinical and transport responses to this year’s Xivirus.
    
    And with that background and on the ground experience in mind, in February I wrote politely and in detail to the PM, the MOH, and the Opposition with my recommendations and reasoning – primarily for much more careful pre-flight history and examination assessments, after-landing assessments and quarantine, and to quickly and widely test, test and keep testing so we get ahead of the curve not just keep up with it. To my entire unsurprise, no response – other than in one case (Ardern Central) the pro-forma acknowledgement.
    
    Now, on the internet everyone can be who they say they are. So I would not have put the above online except that you specifically asked why anyone would want to consult me – so I’ll take you at your word. You don’t need to believe it of course, but over many years a considerable number of people have not only consulted me but even paid me for it – and come back for more :-).
    
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    July 3, 2020 12:29pm
RRM

BLOCKED by Julie Ann Venter on Twitter for commenting the following on her tweet about the rich need to start paying their fair share.

“The Rich” already pay almost all of the tax in New Zealand. Obviously you’re personally happy to live off the proceeds of other people’s work, but WHY would you seek to make the country live that way?

What complete garbage the left are! Even the Mps want to live in an adoring, like-minded bubble.
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July 3, 2020 10:51am
- Swifty
  
  I saw a post from her yesterday wondering why, of their proposed tax increases, anyone wouldn’t want to “pay what’s fair.”
  
  I knew then that she is now officially beneath my contempt.
  
  I won’t go on with a big write up – but sufficient to say that whenever you hear a politician talking about “tax” and “fair” in the same sentence you just know 1. they’re lying to you 2. they’ve got no other argument so they resort to emotion and 3. they’re saying that the current amounts extracted from NZers is therefore unfair and 4. that next time they find it opportune they’ll announce that a new rate is “fair” ignoring the fact that but a short while ago it was a quite different rate that was “fair.”
  
  What also sickens me is that no journalist will go hard at her/them and get them to define once and for all what they define as “fair” so at least NZers can have transparency.
  
  Of course, she will refuse to answer it, but if she gave an honest answer I would be amazed if she said the top tax rate would be any less than 60%. Davidson will be up around 75% would be my pick – she displays that much economic lunacy.
  
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  July 3, 2020 12:31pm
- MCos
  
  If what you say is true she’s probably got better things to do than read ill informed, obnoxious tweets.
  
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  July 3, 2020 12:36pm
  - Batman
    
    It is quite funny that the darling of lefty Twitter doesn’t actually use it!
    
    Her staff tweet once a month, basically.
    
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    July 3, 2020 1:01pm
  - Garbageman
    
    Her tweet when she found out Jerry was writing for the Herald was “FFS” along with some other labour ministers and their childish 2 cents worth, if you want ill informed check out any of the Green Taliban on twitter they are the looniest of the left and thats saying something these days
    
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    July 3, 2020 2:13pm
Fletch

What the media is not reporting about Joe Biden. A vote for Biden is a vote for Obama’s plan, and Cory Booker’s plan to get rid of the suburbs. And not this is not conspiratorial rhetoric. It means the end of zoning for single-family houses.

I’ve been studying Joe Biden’s housing plans, and what I’ve seen is both surprising and frightening. I expected that a President Biden would enforce the Obama administration’s radical AFFH (Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing) regulation to the hilt. That is exactly what Biden promises to do. By itself, that would be more than enough to end America’s suburbs as we’ve known them, as I’ve explained repeatedly here at NRO.

What surprises me is that Biden has actually promised to go much further than AFFH. Biden has embraced Cory Booker’s strategy for ending single-family zoning in the suburbs and creating what you might call “little downtowns” in the suburbs. Combine the Obama-Biden administration’s radical AFFH regulation with Booker’s new strategy, and I don’t see how the suburbs can retain their ability to govern themselves.

Obama’s radical AFFH regulation puts every part of progressives’ “abolish the suburbs” strategy into effect (as I explain in detail here). Once Biden starts to enforce AFFH the way Obama’s administration originally meant it to work, it will be as if America’s suburbs had been swallowed up by the cities they surround. They will lose control of their own zoning and development, they will be pressured into a kind of de facto regional-revenue redistribution, and they will even be forced to start building high-density low-income housing. The latter, of course, will require the elimination of single-family zoning. With that, the basic character of the suburbs will disappear. At the very moment when the pandemic has made people rethink the advantages of dense urban living, the choice of an alternative will be taken away.

That’s all bad enough. But on top of AFFH, Biden now plans to use Cory Booker’s strategy for attacking suburban zoning. AFFH works by holding HUD’s Community Development Block Grants hostage to federal-planning demands. Suburbs won’t be able to get the millions of dollars they’re used to in HUD grants unless they eliminate single-family zoning and densify their business districts. AFFH also forces HUD-grant recipients to sign pledges to “affirmatively further fair housing.” Those pledges could get suburbs sued by civil-rights groups, or by the feds, if they don’t get rid of single-family zoning. The only defense suburbs have against this two-pronged attack is to refuse HUD grants. True, that will effectively redistribute huge amounts of suburban money to cities, but if they give up their HUD grants at least the suburbs will be free of federal control.

The Booker approach — now endorsed by Biden — may block even this way out. Booker wants to hold suburban zoning hostage not only to HUD grants, but to the federal transportation grants used by states to build and repair highways. It may be next to impossible for suburbs to opt out of those state-run highway repairs. Otherwise, suburban roads will deteriorate and suburban access to major arteries will be blocked. AFFH plus the Booker plan will leave America’s suburbs with no alternative but to eliminate their single-family zoning and turn over their planning to the feds. Slowly but surely, suburbs will become helpless satellites of the cities they surround, exactly as progressive urbanists intend.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/biden-and-dems-are-set-to-abolish-the-suburbs/
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July 3, 2020 10:58am
- Two bob
  
  Reeks of agenda 21/30
  
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  July 3, 2020 1:21pm
- Batman
  
  Oh no! White America might have to meet some brown people!
  
  The horror!
  
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  July 3, 2020 2:32pm
oldfella

Must be time for a ‘China is asshole’ warning to go with these latest coronavirus lies.
https://freebeacon.com/national-security/china-never-reported-existence-of-coronavirus-to-world-health-organization/
Never, never trust them.
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July 3, 2020 11:22am
Bobba Fret

I have made about 4 comments a few hours ago that are still in moderation. Is there a IT glitch of some sort?
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July 3, 2020 11:23am
Grant

An interesting perspective on the “Cases vs Deaths” question that should be asked more often here.
https://www.aier.org/article/why-we-should-not-be-concerned-about-increasing-covid-19-cases-in-texas/

What’s the plan Cindy??
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July 3, 2020 11:33am
Maggy Wassilieff

Brenton Tarrant’s sentence hearing: August 24

Expected to run for 3 days
https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6168969559001
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July 3, 2020 11:35am
- RJ
  
  Nice to see they have it worded correctly.
  
  Australian Terrorist.
  
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  July 3, 2020 11:44am
  - Garbageman
    
    Still cracks me up the losers in the media not saying his name like he’s the Candyman that will pop out if you say his name 3 times
    
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    July 3, 2020 2:16pm
Two bob

2Hrs and comments are still awaiting moderation…
other posts with timestamps after mine appear, shadowbanning comments???
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July 3, 2020 11:35am
- RJ
  
  People who have provided their information to David aren’t moderated.
  
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  July 3, 2020 11:54am
  - Two bob
    
    what info do we need to provide?
    
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    July 3, 2020 1:22pm
    - RJ
      
      Mod can you help this person help
      
      [Mod: sure, the info is in the commenting policy. Email DPF with confirmation of identity. However you also need to be a long standing commenter who doesn’t get bans etc]
      
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      July 3, 2020 3:48pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Just like stephieboy, and 2. And SB, and SB2?
        There are people, and then special people.
        One of these things is not like the other, one of these things is maybe not the same????
        Saw my dick off
        
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        July 3, 2020 4:43pm
krazykiwi

Almost noon. And every one of SB2’s pitiful mewlings has been downticked to oblivion.
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July 3, 2020 11:43am
Maggie Pie

Magictalk’s Sean Plunkett labels Todd Mueller “a snoflake” for not standing by his man Hamish Walker.

So what’s all that about?
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July 3, 2020 12:18pm
- RJ
  
  It’s sad that people are so quick to use the racism card when nothing racist has been said, and worse that the media are playing this game.
  
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  July 3, 2020 1:43pm
MCos

Sometime in the future the government of the day is going to have to consider reviewing the situation at the border; almost certainly starting with an arrangement with Australia.
A few weeks ago the goal seemed to be an imminent conjunction with Oz.
The current situation in Victoria is a setback. Other states want little to do with those people; why should we until they get under control.
The last thing most of want is for the virus to take off again.
My impression is that the Fyfe, Clark, Gluckman group is intentionally or unintentionally preparing the public for a move to the next level on behalf of the government.
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July 3, 2020 12:28pm
Littletramp

Has anyone asked Australia if they have a priority to open a travel bubble with NZ?
Why on earth would they, after our PM has been slagging off Scott Morrison on various issues since he was elected. Surely the ozzies would prefer that their citizens spent their vacation funds within their own country, for the same reasons that we won’t let our public holiday into the South Pacific while we are heavily subsidising certain players in our tourism industry.
Same applies with our complaints of the US stockpiling the medicines. Maybe if we had been civil to Trump rather than childishly mocked him, we could simply ask to share their resource in this time of need?
These people running the country, who the majority of us did not vote for, are consistently proving how wise we actually were not to vote for them. Let’s hope it works out for the majority next election.
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July 3, 2020 12:33pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Just like NZ stockpiled masks, Covid testing kits, Fluvacs?
  First in first served. Go hard, Go Early.
  Well that is your ARSE on a plate Jacinda Ardern
  
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  July 3, 2020 4:51pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Ghislaine Maxwell moved to intensive care after Coronavirus symptoms worsen.
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July 3, 2020 12:37pm
Maggie Pie

Is Todd Muller really just Jacinda Adern , but with a smaller penis?
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July 3, 2020 12:43pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, he has become so PC I simply can’t vote National now. You know, Jacinda took over one month before the 2017 election so there is still time for Judith.
  
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  July 3, 2020 2:05pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You are sooo right I&O. Judith our Saviour.
    Honestly, Todd comes across like a jellyfish in a suit.
    ACT for us now, even if the Nats decide not to gift Epsom. My partner reckons hey are now so afraid of what David Seymour represents, they’ll more than like pull the plug and hope Goldie can pull it off.
    
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    July 3, 2020 2:47pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  I’ve always voted National, two ticks blue, but this year my party vote is going to Act. I live in an electorate that is a National strong hold so I will vote for the National local MP (Simon O’Çonnor).
  
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  July 3, 2020 3:29pm
I remember when

So the latest figures for Singapore show us that the number of deaths (26) divided by the number of recovered 39,429 gives us a mortality rate of 1 per 1516 cases.
Their figures appear to be close to the gold standard for testing.
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July 3, 2020 12:44pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  majority of their cases were for youngish 3rd world guest workers.
  IFR’s are aproximately:
  1 in 100000 for under 20
  1 in 15000 for 20-30
  1 in 5000 for 30-40
  1 in 1500 for 40-50
  1 in 500 for 50-60
  1 in 100 for 60-70
  1 in 40 for 70-80
  1 in 10 for >80
  and 1 in 140 for whole population.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortality_due_to_COVID-19#Mortality_by_age
  Applying that to NZ population, if we infected everyone under 50 (excluding those with health issues), that is 65% of population (enough for herd immunity), we would only have about 550 deaths. And with discovery of dexamthasone effectiveness it would likely be closer to 400.
  
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  July 3, 2020 1:47pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    And not to make light of any individual death, as “no man is an island”, but – were there 500 deaths, that would be the same as the recent years’ annual road toll for which we do not crash our economy, terrify our population, imprison our old people, neglect those who need surgery, cancer investigation and treatment or other medical issues, ruin small and large businesses and lionise a socialist fishwife.
    
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    July 3, 2020 2:24pm
  - DeepBlue
    
    A fault in your plan is you can’t ‘infect’ everyone under 50 without infecting everyone over 50 and everyone with compromised health. And if that happened you’d have a heck of lot of deaths.
    
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    July 3, 2020 2:47pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Why can’t you isolate over 50’s from rest of population for a few weeks? Billet with others etc.
      
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      July 3, 2020 3:58pm
      - DeepBlue
        
        Because it will take a lot longer than a ‘few weeks’ to naturally ‘infect’ all people under 50. Look how long it has taken Sweden. And we don’t purposefully infect people with live viruses. Even if you could ethically and legally many under 50s would say eff-off.
        
        Plus all that virus in the community would seep into quarantine zones.
        
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        July 3, 2020 6:02pm
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      DeepBlue: I believe that assertion is incorrect.
      
      For literally ages we have practised quarantine in the not-Ardernian sense: people with infectious diseases such as hepatitis B in the old days yeah verily even in NZ, plus yellow fever and tuberculosis and cholera for millennia to name a few, were all quarantined away from the healthy.
      
      This time round with the Chivirus, it would be a reverse quarantine – barrier nursing and barrier care w/PPE to protect those over the seventh decade and/or those with significant comorbidities. So, not imprisonment of the majority as we have seen on lockdown, but isolation and protection of the minority. Because, they wouldn’t be locked in, we already know that outside in fresh air with breezes etc and sufficient distance equals an almost 0 risk of transmission.
      
      Instead of trashing the economy and spending billions and still having hundreds of deaths and thousands of casualties from the effects of your lockdown and fearfulness, you maintain the economy and spend millions on screening, tracing, isolation, protection and – for the people who wish it – seclusion.
      
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      July 3, 2020 4:13pm
      - DeepBlue
        
        Point of Order U.N. said everyone over 50 not 70. That’s a lot of extra people you’re planning to isolate.
        
        It is an untenable approach because of politics, ethics, legality and we’ve already been in isolation. Do you really think all the over 50s will take one for the team and go back to isolation now?
        
        And how/when do you plan to let them out, the virus won’t go away, so those people will still be vulnerable when they are eventually released.
        
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        July 3, 2020 6:07pm
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        I don’t care what the UN says. Just look at who the UN appoints to run things… also with enough herd immunity the over 70s and immunocompromised do not need to stay isolated.
        
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        July 3, 2020 7:44pm
      - DeepBlue
        
        @ Engleburt Humperdinck below, sorry for the confusion. By ‘UN’ I mean the person above who raised this proposal, ‘UrbanNeocolonialist’ not that other one.
        
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        July 3, 2020 8:17pm
Maggie Pie

Queenstown Lakes GP Dr Val Miller, tells Sean Punkett all 22 confirmed cases of Covid-19 are from India and Pakistan. 🙁
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July 3, 2020 12:53pm
- MCos
  
  That is except for nine from other countries.
  BTW
  There have been 24 detected at managed isolation since 17-June.
  https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-current-situation/covid-19-current-cases/covid-19-current-cases-details
  
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  July 3, 2020 5:12pm
Fletch

LOL, after the mayor of the District of Columbia painted “Black Lives Matter” on her street it set a precedent of sorts. Now Judicial Watch is suing her to be able to paint their own message, seeing at how the streets are maintained with public funds.

But in doing so, she also established a precedent of sorts. Public streets in the nation’s capital that are maintained using taxpayer funds were now apparently legitimate for the expression of political opinions.

Taking that signal to heart, Judicial Watch decided to get in on the action themselves. They sent in a request to paint another street in the same area with their own slogan. Strangely, despite multiple attempts to prompt a response from the Mayor, they were unable to obtain permission to do the same thing she had done. Seeing no other recourse, the group is now taking the Mayor to court to ensure their own right to free expression under the First Amendment. Let’s all break out the popcorn and see how this one plays out.

The group is pointing out that the Mayor has obviously determined that the painting of expressive messages on city streets is a method of expression protected under the First Amendment. Bowser has failed to provide a persuasive answer (or any answer, really) as to why the group can’t paint a corresponding message on a different street. She’s also demonstrating obvious government favoritism of one message over another.

https://hotair.com/archives/jazz-shaw/2020/07/02/judicial-watch-sues-dc-mayor-paint-message-city-streets-cant-stop-laughing/
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July 3, 2020 1:02pm
- Batman
  
  Anyone with an ounce of legal sense could tell the difference between a local authority and a private lobby group.
  
  Though that’s not the point, the point is performative dickishness and ‘owning the libs’ with a silly troll.
  
  Quite sad, really.
  
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  July 3, 2020 1:07pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    BM: It’s quite sad that you think freedom of speech should only be allowed to officials to paint their personal political opinions in public places with all the materials and personnel paid for by taxpayers – and the people who pay all those salaries should not be permitted the same freedom. But, you gotta do you.
    
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    July 3, 2020 1:16pm
    - Batman
      
      Public opinion says otherwise. Sure, putting any old personal view on a street would be inappropriate but these aren’t any old times and any old political topic.
      
      “Majority agree with Black Lives Matter and say major police reform is needed — CBS News poll – CBS News” https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/black-lives-matter-police-reform-opinion-poll-28-06-2020/#app
      
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      July 3, 2020 2:14pm
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        I do so trust CBS! / sarc.
        
        As it happens, if polled, I would 100% agree that Black Lives Matter, as I believe that All Lives Matter, and if anyone sez you can’t say Lives Matter without a Colour in front of it, then I’d say anybody who needs a Colour in front of Lives Matter as an irredeemable bigoted racist and can TAFFAARRD.
        
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        July 3, 2020 2:26pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    It’s different when the left do it huh?
    
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    July 3, 2020 1:49pm
MH

correction to white house statement RP
people wearing masks,zero should be: people wearing masks: zoro (1)
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July 3, 2020 1:13pm
Jack5

Australia is joining Britain in offering safe haven to Hong Kong people after China’s clampdown on the territory.

Will New Zealand follow suit? How will the Beijing faction in the National Party influence the Opposition’s stance?

https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/australia-could-soon-provide-sanctuary-for-hong-kong-citizens/12419450
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July 3, 2020 1:27pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Nope, NZ will not take them. Unlikely Labour voters. We want the dropkicks from Manus Island
  
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  July 3, 2020 2:44pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Yep! And whats the story with that Beurooz Boochani overstayer. Golly must be considered an accessory after the fact, surely?
    
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    July 3, 2020 2:57pm
- Ruahine
  
  Only Black Lives Matter. Chinese are not ‘Black’ apparently I have been told by a NZ First supporter that Chinese are ‘White”
  
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  July 3, 2020 5:24pm
Maggy Wassilieff

More than 200,000 receiving unemployment or wage-supplement dosh

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/07/covid-unemployment-relief-payments-up-51-percent-in-one-week.html

https://www.msd.govt.nz/documents/about-msd-and-our-work/publications-resources/statistics/benefit/2020/income-support-and-wage-subsidy-weekly-update/income-support-and-wage-subsidy-update-26-june-2020.pdf
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July 3, 2020 1:40pm
- fernglas
  
  Tip of the iceberg, Maggy. Those are the ones with Jobseeker benefits and the unemployment relief payment, the latter being for people who have lost their job due to Covid. There are still in excess of 1.5 million people technically employed, whose employers are receiving the wage subsidy. God alone knows how many of them will slide onto one or other of the unemployment benefits when the subsidy stops, but it will be a lot.
  
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  July 3, 2020 3:04pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Independence Day cancelled. Liz Wheeler, OAN.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I102bL-zwFE
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July 3, 2020 2:56pm
fightingtemeraire

There is an article on the news hub site where a returning expat NZer was blogging about her quarantine stay in Akl at the Govt expense.

She met Jacinda at Wellington Airport. This blogger is in the advertising business. Read tye article I have never read so much over the top bovine excreta.
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July 3, 2020 3:07pm
- RJ
  
  Woman blogging about quarantine ecstatic as she meets Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern upon arrival in Wellington
  
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  July 3, 2020 3:27pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  ” the woman from my laptop screensaver was walking towards me.”
  Fuck, I’m going to throw up.
  
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  July 3, 2020 3:46pm
  - RJ
    
    Corrected it for you
    
    “The woman that paid me to write a positive blog of their screw ups was walking towards me”
    
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    July 3, 2020 3:47pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Yes exactly
      
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      July 3, 2020 4:54pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    CORONAVIRUS
    COVID-19: Woman blogging about quarantine ecstatic as she meets Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern upon arrival in Wellington
    1 hour ago
    Mark Quinlivan
    The pair met in Wellington on Thursday.
    The pair met in Wellington on Thursday. Photo credit: Facebook/Kate Elizabeth Catalinac
    A woman who’s been in quarantine in Auckland for two weeks after returning from overseas has spoken of the “emotional” moment she met Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern after arriving back in Wellington.
    Kate Catalinac, who’s been keeping a Facebook diary of her experience in quarantine, rounded out her diary in the perfect way after she bumped into Ardern in Wellington Airport on Thursday.
    
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    “High on freedom, I flew from Auckland to Wellington. Upon touchdown I received an urgent text from my sister – alerting me that she had a visual on Jacinda proceeding on foot to the Wellington Koru lounge wearing a grey backpack,” Catalinac said on Facebook. “After defibrillating myself, I too proceeded on foot to the Wellington Koru lounge.”
    
    Catalinac told her Facebook friends of the moment she came across the Prime Minister.
    
    “Then, like a shimmering mirage, she appeared. In an expertly chosen jewel-tone coat and aforementioned grey backpack, the woman from my laptop screensaver was walking towards me.”
    
    Catalinac said she “blacked out” before she started having a conversation with Ardern, before the Prime Minister revealed she had been reading her blog.
    
    “Physically I was still standing. Emotionally I had exploded into 1000 tiny kittens now swirling around the ankles of everyone at the airport.”
    
    She said she then asked the Prime Minister for a photo.
    
    “Her reply, ‘Oh of course – you’ve got to round out the blog’,” Catalinac wrote.
    
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    She said she proceeded to thank Ardern before they parted ways.
    
    “Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern, you are truly the sweetest slice of the day.
    
    “She walked away with my heart in her backpack, showing absolutely no sign that she was also carrying the weight of our nation’s fears and the world’s admiration on her shoulders.”
    Make it stop please! Fuck it, “I’m hitting the whisky
    
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    July 3, 2020 3:48pm
    - Sacha
      
      Good God.
      
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      July 3, 2020 6:37pm
- Inandout
  
  Look Jacinda, I have big teeth as well.
  
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  July 3, 2020 3:59pm
- alex Masterley
  
  I tried to read the article. It was nauseous in the extreme.
  
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  July 3, 2020 4:01pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    Thank you for taking that for the team.
    
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    July 3, 2020 4:16pm
- Surely Knott
  
  Kate Catalinac a senior creative ad exec whose previous work includes a high profile anti trump tv ad. Check her facebook page and it’s a day by day diary of her stay in quarantine.
  
  Here are a few of the diary entries: Image of an open computer with screen saver of Jacinda Arderns’ vogue photoshoot image next to a brownie and Kate lying on the bed.. Kate says,”Sweet slice of the day: traditional brownie with icing sugar dusting, enjoyed with one of my regular-but-imaginary chats with a goddess. ” She is looking at the computer so we assume the imaginary chat is with goddess Jacinda.
  
  Entry 2: “The Ministry of Health workers who administered my Covid-19 test on day three may have been covered by their head-to-toe, powder blue PPE, but their kind hearts were very much exposed.”
  
  Or this one, “From the moment I boarded my AirNZ flight from LAX, it was clear to me that I was in the sanitized-but-moisturized hands of a country with a very solid plan.”
  
  Or, “If you’re complaining in any way about the New Zealand Government’s managed isolation plan, I assume you are incorrectly wearing your Covid-19 mask over your eyes. ”
  
  Every day is a plug for the government and Jacinda. And on the final day’s post ….magic she runs into Jacinda at the Koru lounge for a photo. It reads like a professionals influencer’s plug. Hard to believe this doesn’t need a promoters statement!
  
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  July 3, 2020 4:02pm
David Garrett

Just for the record…caning the Southland MP for his “racist” press release is total bullshit…of course 11,000 returning “kiwis” from Covid infested shit holes like the sub-continent give rise to a damn sight more justified concern than the same number of people from the UK or Australia.

I’ll go further…anyone half a brain will be more anxious about being followed down the street late at night by two Maori males rather than two Euro males…just as you’d be more anxious if it was two males of any race rather than two females…although women have been known to bash people too…just much less often.
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July 3, 2020 3:22pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  Well Steve, as you set the threshold at anybody with at least half a brain, you’re being exclusionary of most Labour/NZF voters and almost all Green voters…
  
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  July 3, 2020 4:32pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Sorry about that chief.
    
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    July 3, 2020 4:58pm
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      No worries Steve. I denounced you for your Wrongthink, then I denounced myself for Not Denouncing You Earlier. I understand that’s how this business is supposed to work in Cancel Culture.
      
      Oh wait, I just woke up as opposed to being woke 🙂
      
      On the plus side, my newly printed magnetic car signs about the clusterfluck that was the COL’s mismanagement of The Chinese Virus are attracting a lot of attention. Some people are spitting, many people want to know where they could get theirs made 🙂
      
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      July 3, 2020 6:06pm
RJ

Well said, there was nothing racist in what Hamish said. Muller grow some balls and stand up for your MPs

But Queenstown Lakes District Councillor Dr Valerie Miller, who is also a senior GP at the Wakatipu Medical Centre, said Walker was just doing his job by trying to keep the community safe.

“I don’t think that’s a racist thing. He wasn’t talking about people – he was talking about countries that have a high incidence of COVID… He was thinking of the welfare of the community,” Dr Miller told Magic Talk.

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July 3, 2020 3:24pm
- David Garrett
  
  Good to see the doctor coming to his defence…
  
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  July 3, 2020 4:11pm
  - RJ
    
    Yeah, disgusting that Todd chucked him under the bus and didn’t grow some and stand behind his MP
    
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    July 3, 2020 5:22pm
    - sooty
      
      But, but the media said so!
      
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      July 3, 2020 9:09pm
- kowtow
  
  Muller continues to disappoint.
  
  Capt Woke won’t be able to sleep easy in his bunk when he doesn’t back his crew.
  I note yesterday on the news Simon B steadfastly refused to rule out another run at the top job.
  
  They should never have rolled him.
  
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  July 3, 2020 5:12pm
  - septic skeptic
    
    Bring Back Bridges!
    
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    July 3, 2020 7:46pm
    - RJ
      
      Yes, let’s bring back someone who just couldn’t gel with the public and whose favourables were -40. That will surely win an election, not
      
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      July 3, 2020 8:35pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  “Well said, there was nothing racist in what Hamish said. Muller grow some balls and stand up for your MPs”
  
  As I was taught many years ago – “ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny”. I think we’re going to be waiting for quite some time for the Mullerian Renaissance.
  
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  July 3, 2020 6:08pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Evil bastards. Bill and Melinda Gates on the second wave.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmP6_gy-MIE&fbclid=IwAR237ApJiZO1XpxaJ1A2I2Di5aonwe–s_8F2Zwg88S21_glZHhPm4iTxn0
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July 3, 2020 3:40pm
- Two bob
  
  And cindy and winston are guna throw 10s of millions of taxpayer money at them….
  
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  July 3, 2020 4:11pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Tell me again that the Coronavirus numbers are not being fucked with. This is not a mistake, it is deliberate.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/tens-thousands-coronavirus-tests-have-double-counted-officials/?fbclid=IwAR0zoz6ZF0Q7SfH8U-prestxz70diwr3vakMwTzTzcdMryYmiNZvNL3qpDA
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July 3, 2020 4:04pm
Engelbert Humperdink

“The first time is happenstance, the second time is coincidence, the third time is enemy action”. I think we be now at about the 45th counting of the LugenElites…
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July 3, 2020 4:17pm
rangitoto

Macca 2020 wrote on twitter:

“We’re basically one giant Gloriavale now aren’t we.
Isolated from the rest of the world, only special people are allowed to come and go. We have to stay isolated, and do everything our leader tells us to do, and we were told this week if we leave, we’ll be punished.”

Forget changing NZ to Aaretearower. Just call it Big Gloriavale.
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July 3, 2020 4:42pm
rangitoto

What qualifications does this person have for this job.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12345249

More corrupt practice I would say.
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July 3, 2020 4:59pm
- Prince
  
  Jobs for the gels.
  
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  July 3, 2020 6:37pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  But she’s said to be woke, gay and a lefty. What else is needed?
  
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  July 3, 2020 7:40pm
  - sooty
    
    Can’t sing for shit!
    Can’t make a buck either!
    
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    July 3, 2020 9:07pm
RW Capitalist

“Median house prices for New Zealand excluding Auckland increased by 11.8 per cent to a new record of $550,000, up from $492,000 in February 2019. In Auckland, median house prices increased by 4.3 per cent to $888,000, the highest price in 35 months and up from $851,000 a year earlier.Mar 12, 2020”
Why would anyone in Auckland want the Greens to be anywhere near power.
It means that half the home owners in Auckland, once you add their other assets to this, will exceed the $1 mill. and be liable for the 1% wealth tax.
Whats more, this will apply to rest of the country before their 3 yr term will ave ended.
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July 3, 2020 5:02pm
kwkiwigirl

Ardern starting the vote buying plan letting temp visa permit holders back in to NZ, quarantine paid by long standing tax payers. I heard a report on Newstalk zb tonight about an argentinian woman who had a child in NZ, who is in Bali. Now allowed to return to NZ.
Has she been collecting the NZ wage subsidy over in Bali? Just wondering will she be allowed to vote at the next election? Just saying.

Just wish it was as easy to get all the benefits in Australia, UK, Europe and US (hope it comes right…) as a NZ temp worker. I guess they aren’t as generous as the good old NZ Labour and CoL.

Also the millions of dollars allocated to schools to chase up truants is a joke. Total overkill and won’t contribute to getting NZ back on it’s feet economically. Will buy a lot of teachers votes. But I guess most teachers vote Labour anyway.
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July 3, 2020 6:09pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Kaiti fatberg…..

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/122035133/gisborne-workers-spend-seven-hours-breaking-15metre-long-fatberg
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July 3, 2020 7:16pm
- RJ
  
  The half-a-tonne fatberg was made up of rags, wet wipes, condoms and solid fat
  
  Oooooo, I know this one. What would you find at an Epstein party?
  
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  July 3, 2020 7:37pm
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    The locals have been busy doing what?
    
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    July 3, 2020 9:04pm
RJ

A future Friday night press drop

Waikato Tainui meet with Winston Peters hoping to get Ihumātao resolved before election
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July 3, 2020 7:29pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Finally the public is being told where new arrivals are being quarantined.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/07/revealed-the-locations-and-number-of-travellers-in-quarantine-and-isolation.html
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July 3, 2020 7:39pm
- RJ
  
  No need to spread them around the country, keep them all in one location.
  
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  July 3, 2020 7:44pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    RJ: I suggest The Beehive.
    
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    July 3, 2020 8:31pm
RJ

Damn, if only we had a competent government that could work with the industry to fill this gap

More than a million Kiwis may need to change to different medications before the end of the year due to a major pharmaceutical company pulling out of the New Zealand market, leaving Pharmac looking for new suppliers for dozens of medications.

You may know the name Apotex, the founder of the Canadian pharmaceutical giant was murdered in 2017.

Newshub
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