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JibberJabber

An autonomous zone utopia,

https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1277319723017883648

Defund the Po-lice,………… call 911…
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June 29, 2020 8:03am
Yvette

New Zealand’s Covid-19 isolation facilities under ‘extreme stress’, review finds
The review was ordered by the prime minister, Jacinda Ardern, after reports of people mixing in isolation facilities and others leaving quarantine without having been tested for Covid-19.

The review said that sometimes the first people knew about mandatory quarantine on entering New Zealand was during their health check on arrival at the airport.
“There is currently no written information provided to returnees prior to entry or a process to record their acknowledgement that they will be required to enter into the MIQ system,’’ the review said.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/28/new-zealands-covid-19-isolation-facilities-under-extreme-stress-review-finds

“Go early, go hard” – Jacinda Ardern.
But hardly a true statement, when some of the most basic aspects of what covid-19 measures should be in place, aren’t in place.
Is, instead, the country open to criminal liability for negligence, and if Ardern will not sack those who are irresponsible, should she not accept the moral consequences herself.
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June 29, 2020 8:06am
- Benedict Yu
  
  “The review said that sometimes the first people knew about mandatory quarantine on entering New Zealand was during their health check on arrival at the airport.”
  
  If true that is extraordinary. It means that there were people arriving not mentally or practically prepared to spend 14 days isolated. Just practical things like ensuring you have enough of prescribed medicines for 14 days.
  
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  June 29, 2020 8:12am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    This presumes those that arrived here where living in a non-communication bubble and were not following what was happening in NZ. I can’t believe that somehow, what was happening here must have been of prime interest to them. I don’t think the sampling on that question was very broad, I suspect the urgently of the report took precedence and is not accurate.
    On the other hand who wouldn’t think of not having written information handed to those that arrived, so some gross stupidity for sure.
    If the country in fact dodges the bullet on this the replacement processes must be strictly applied and understood.
    Something else that doesn’t make sense is the question of why is New Zealand talking more people returning to the point it is putting pressure on. People do get the idea of queuing and waiting for their turn. So the tap should be controlled.
    
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    June 29, 2020 9:21am
    - Jack5
      
      Brian, you are right. The world was awash with news and fears of Wuhan flu. You travel during a pandemic, you accept you put your health, even your life, on the line.
      
      With Iceland, the Faroes Islands, the Falklands, and the Pacific island states, remote NZ must be one of the world’s easiest countries to isolate.To regulate the inbound flood of NZ citizens and permanent residents, the Government can control inbound flights.
      
      Compare us with Slovakia, with about 5.5 million people to NZ’s 5 million and the same number of Covid-19 cases per million as NZ. Slovakia is landlocked, with people crossing the borders daily each way to and from work places.
      
      I bet the Slovaks right now would love to be an island country.
      
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      June 29, 2020 11:25am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Incompetence with sycophants. Ardern’s avoidance of having Parliament ratify the lockdowns under Bloomfield’s orders may have horrendous negligence claims resulting. Those could fall on Ministers and Deptl. officials personally too.
  Disrespect for law by HM’s Ministers should be impeachable with consequences. Ardern is not Queen in her own right.
  ☑️☑️Stop the Damage☑️☑️
  
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  June 29, 2020 8:35am
- fernglas
  
  By way of illustration of the highlighted portion in Yvette’s comment, when I got onto my flight back a week after quarantine/managed isolation regime was brought into effect, both at check-in and on the flight I was asked to fill out a form giving details of the address at which I was self-isolating, and the phone number of the person who was going to pick me up from the airport. That, of course, related to what was supposed to happen a week earlier. This really typified the response thereafter. While a lot of people have praised Bloomfield’s leaderhip, I have been consistently surprised at how out of touch he has seemed. Unable to answer simple questions, apparently unaware of problems with the isolation facilities despite his department robustly denying the problems existed when they were reported a month before, and now apparently ordering testing on the 12th day of isolation without even checking whether the labs had the ability to process tests that fast. For the Minister of Health to try to hide behind a civil servant who, for whatever reason, was not on top of his responsibilities, is shameful. If Bloomfield was struggling, it should have been noticed and proper measures put in place to ensure he was assisted to do his job properly. Clark’s failure to do that is more reprehensible than his failure to accept his responsibility for the inevitable consequences.
  
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  June 29, 2020 8:42am
  - kowtow
    
    Bloomfield also said it was up to Maoris whether to hongi or not , while a honkey could go to gaol for shaking hands.
    
    The disconnect there is very Aotearoan and the Media Party let it pass. But they are ethno nationalist environmentalists so why be surprised.
    
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    June 29, 2020 9:07am
  - DeepBlue
    
    Bloomfield has had an extremely difficult public facing job for four months now, in fact he has been doing the job of the minister as well.
    
    I think he deserves the support of his minister and SSC. They should be working as a team and don’t appear to be. Cracks have been exposed, but it is not all Bloomfield’s fault.
    
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    June 29, 2020 9:48am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Agree,
      
      It was never Bloomfield’s role to be running the Quarantine and Isolation system.
      
      The Ministry of Health has a critical role to
      play in ensuring the robustness of the MIQ system through key inputs in the form of specialist
      public health advice and services. It does not automatically follow however that the Ministry
      of Health should be the agency responsible for running the MIQ operations.
      Point 14 – Review report
      
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      June 29, 2020 10:18am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Ministry of Health, you say? Who is the Minister of Health these days?
        
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        June 29, 2020 10:28am
    - kwkiwigirl
      
      Bloomfield is just a politician. Pretty thick skinned as well from what we have seen. I’m sure he likes being on the $500k+ package. Just saying.
      
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      June 29, 2020 10:58am
      - calendar girl
        
        A politician? What political position does he hold?
        
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        June 29, 2020 7:14pm
  - Lummox
    
    Is it true that Bloomfield earns more than the PM? I thought I saw that reported somewhere.
    
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    June 29, 2020 10:37am
    - MT_Tinman
      
      There can be no doubt he earns more than the PTPM.
      
      His pay rate I have no idea of.
      
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      June 29, 2020 10:54am
    - DeepBlue
      
      Many Mandarins earn more than PM. Implementation is way harder than policy.
      
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      June 29, 2020 1:30pm
    - Paulus
      
      Yes – officially $528,000 pa.
      Like many at his level of Public Service.
      Highest is actually over $1 m plus.
      
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      June 29, 2020 1:31pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Bloomfield got his main job as a medico–not an administrator. Some of the latter are supposed to lurk in the Dept of Health.
    Bloomfield should have resigned when the govt ditched the requirement for his order to be presented to Parliament within 7 days. Ardern and Court dug up a dodge from 1956 to avoid that.
    He has probably done the best he could with a “kind” PM who rules as she pleases.
    
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    June 29, 2020 1:30pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Review report here:
  https://uniteforrecovery.govt.nz/assets/resources/legislation-and-key-documents/MIQ-Review.pdf
  
  And if ever we needed evidence that the folks in the Beehive have no idea of what happens in practice…
  
  15. There were occasions when policy decisions were made with little understanding of the
  operational consequences. These occasions have increased the stress on staff on the ground.
  
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  June 29, 2020 8:51am
  - sooty
    
    This report has been through haow many hands to be sanitized and still comes out the other end, saying that they are shit!
    
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    June 29, 2020 9:17am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    Typical of people with no practical foresight.
    
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    June 29, 2020 9:24am
- hullkiwi
  
  Yvette, another statement from Jacinda, “now is not a time to be complacent” – this as Jacinda announced on 9th June as she announced NZ would move from Level 2 to 1.
  
  That all worked out well, then?
  
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  June 29, 2020 8:55am
- Master Mariner
  
  Hi Yvette I agree fully with your article.
  
  It is Negligence under any definition under law and more so if more harm is caused because of it.
  
  One thing that I dont fully understand is,
  Why did’nt NZ follow its Pandemic plan 2016 ? And if not which one did they follow. Did they make things up on “the hoof”. Theres Negligence right there if this is too be the case.
  
  This is what I wish to find out more on but have limited time / internet acces to be able to do so.
  
  However I should be in Quarantine NZ first week July after being at sea for nearly 5 months by then and expect to be repatriated home due to COVID crew change restrictions.
  Great comment Yvette and well written.
  
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  June 29, 2020 10:30am
  - Jack5
    
    At sea for five months, ⚓Cap’n. Is your ship nuclear powered? ?
    
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    June 29, 2020 11:31am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Hi Jack, First thing all governments did under IMO was to allow Certificates to extend and terminals to function. Otherwise you will not be at this keyboard typing I assure you.
      The biggest issue was maintaining supply lines operating and functioning along with terminals whether Fuel/lubes or container etc. Hence the Key worker phrase.
      Rest assured we can get food provisions, and operational stores through immigration etc.
      The only issue is allowing crew to fly in and out with every country taking various courses of action or inaction.
      Like I said, You would be pretty hungry by now if things came to a complete stand still.
      https://www.wilhelmsen.com/ships-agency/campaigns/coronavirus/coronavirus-map/
      https://www.itfseafarers.org/en/embed/covid-19-country-information-seafarers
      http://www.imo.org/en/MediaCentre/HotTopics/Pages/Coronavirus.aspx
      http://www.imo.org/en/MediaCentre/PressBriefings/Pages/Home.aspx
      Thank your lucky stars Jack5
      
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      June 29, 2020 2:47pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    It is Negligence under any definition under law
    What about the COL members offering themselves as HM’s Ministers of the Executive Council with the duty of governing NZ? Could anyone of them run a sandwich bar? They are past negligence into fraud. MP’s have to have proven executive ability. MMP has to go.
    
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    June 29, 2020 1:40pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      But we love the people on ACT’s list …. 🙂
      
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      June 29, 2020 6:45pm
- Sacha
  
  More incompetence.
  Every person who gets on the plane should be given an information slip detailing the quarantine. Flight announcements at airports should warn intending passengers – before the get on the plane.
  If a few people decided not to return, the facilities might not be ‘under stress’.
  I cannot believe how stupid EVERYONE who has had a finger in the quarantine pie has been.
  
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  June 29, 2020 10:37am
greybeard

Well, I think that Stuff’s new layout is RUBBISH.
Puerile.
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June 29, 2020 8:07am
- kowtow
  
  They are struggling to be ‘relevant’.
  
  Yesterday they ran one story about JM Coffin being different when she started at TVNZ and another one about the crime watch series . We’re racist you see.
  
  Stuff , one Media Party organ attcking another Media Party organ all the while trying to stir up racial division , controversy and hatred.
  
  Today they have an ethno nationalist story on “kiwis” on the rigs losing jobs to “foreigners” . This from the open borders , bash the honkey Media Party.
  
  The hypocrisy is astounding and they should be ashamed of themselves.
  
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  June 29, 2020 9:15am
  - Sacha
    
    @ kowtow: Why do you keep watching? It’s not good for your long term mental fitness to cope with an increasingly inept society.
    
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    June 29, 2020 10:39am
    - kowtow
      
      You’ve got to be part of society and you’ve got to know what’s happening .
      
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      June 29, 2020 11:41am
- sooty
  
  Are you saying that was a waste of 50 mill?
  
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  June 29, 2020 9:18am
- niggly
  
  I’m finding it hard to find actual news stories (and not what Stuff are promoting as “must read” according to them), just bizarre!
  
  I always thought their (former) site was better than the NZH – now I’m not sure that it is!
  
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  June 29, 2020 9:22am
- Loddenthinks
  
  They lost me with the very first statement on the site:
  
  “Kia ora, Aotearoa!”
  
  No idea who they think they’re talking to, but it definitely isn’t me.
  
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  June 29, 2020 10:30am
  - greybeard
    
    Nor me.
    
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    June 29, 2020 10:44am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    They are virtue signalling to the woke.
    It’s all the rage, you know.
    
    //
    
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    June 29, 2020 10:45am
- kwkiwigirl
  
  Yes looks very amateurish doesn’t it?
  They’ve removed the tab to go to ‘most commented’ to which I used regularly.
  Moving towards no commenting I guess. They really have no idea how to engage people do they?
  
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  June 29, 2020 10:59am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Engage, you say? More like: you’ll read what we tell you to read, and think what we tell you to think, and no correspondence will be entered into, and isn’t Jacinda luvverly?
    
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    June 29, 2020 11:52am
- Nickc2
  
  Lipstick on a pig by any chance?
  
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  June 29, 2020 11:40am
Inandout

I didn’t realise the US universities were so sadly left wing, amounting to 13 staff against 1 conservative. A tutor has written a book and appeared on Mark Levin’s show, telling a scary story of how any opposite opinion to the left is shouted down in a way we have experienced in NZ universities. Professors who are wary of this left trend are too scared to speak out and universities are becoming ‘one party campuses’, a dangerous and self destructing position and a reason why these street demos are mainly students.
https://www.marklevinshow.com/2020/06/22/professor-john-ellis-discusses-how-american-universities-became-one-party-campuses/
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June 29, 2020 8:10am
- kowtow
  
  Similar story from the UK a week or so ago . A professor saying there’s plenty of conservative staff , but they are too afraid of the lefty lobby to stick head over parapet .
  
  Universities and free speech ? No, temples of fascism.
  
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  June 29, 2020 9:18am
- Tall Man
  
  Shy Tory ……..
  
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  June 29, 2020 10:30am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    When dealing with hooligans avoid being seen.
    
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    June 29, 2020 1:43pm
- Nickc2
  
  Yes, I saw that show too. I’m picking you could apply the same criteria to any university in NZ. Unfortunately, I do not see any intention by our universities to clean up their act and equally, I can’t see any political will to do so either.
  As I’v said before on this blog, once communism/socialism is in situ, only an armed insurrection can remove it. It’s not like Comrade Cindy will take the issue to an election.
  
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  June 29, 2020 11:47am
mandk

The PM sounded especially snarky on Hosking’s show this morning.

Keep pressing Mike (and Todd). She will increasingly come across as whiny and waspish.
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June 29, 2020 8:10am
- hullkiwi
  
  She also had problems answering some of Garner’s questions. She was twisting her answers.
  
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  June 29, 2020 8:57am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    She used the same deflection technique on RNZ this morning.
    
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    June 29, 2020 9:13am
    - calendar girl
      
      Oh come on, people. We all know, and so does she, that PM Jacinda Ardern is presently well out of her intellectual and educational depth.
      
      Let’s just accept such reality, and hope that the situation is remedied in a few months’ time. I can live with a Labour-led Government if that is the voters’ overall choice. But New Zealand deserves much better than a Prime Minister of the limited capability and intelligence offered by the present Labour Leader, Ardern.
      
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      June 29, 2020 7:39pm
- Lance
  
  Not to mention she added “Mike” at the end of every sentence. A well worn patronizing technique
  
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  June 29, 2020 9:15am
  - madamezucchininz
    
    ….12 Mike’s in just under ten minutes….
    
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    June 29, 2020 10:20am
    - Tall Man
      
      You counted?
      
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      June 29, 2020 10:30am
    - Sacha
      
      But then she stopped as she had to concentrate on the actual answer rather than patronising him. I get the feeling that Hosking isn’t enjoying his Monday sessions with the PM any more, and to be honest, I find them a bit below par too.
      
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      June 29, 2020 10:43am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Impressive, but not quite up to the “Comrade” count of her speech to the International Socialists whatever-it-was a few years back.
      
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      June 29, 2020 11:53am
    - mark15
      
      Beats her ‘comrade’ count…
      
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      June 29, 2020 1:58pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      More than comrade?
      
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      June 29, 2020 3:07pm
  - Scooter
    
    It might be a compliment as she loves the sound of K in words, eg somethink.
    
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    June 29, 2020 7:48pm
- kowtow
  
  The press conference after the Clarkey on yer bike story was the one to watch. Surprisingly the Media Party undertook a barrage of questions , rightly. At one point she literally sighed in exasperation . Now that’s a clip the Media Party could use if they wanted to screw her , like they did to Brash crossing the plank or trying to fit into the car or whatever it was, Joyce and the sex toy , Brash and the mud , Key and the hair . Played over and over , constantly , to push the agenda ……
  
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  June 29, 2020 9:56am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Winston in the pushchair was particularly good!
    
    Some of her flouncing in the House might be useful too.
    
    “the most transparent government ever” over the top voice over… pictures of her flouncing!
    
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    June 29, 2020 10:19am
- kwkiwigirl
  
  Can’t listen to her anymore, even when interviewed by Hosking and Garner. Her manner just irritates the hell out of me…
  
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  June 29, 2020 11:01am
info@cruzpro.com

The Greens want to tax assets over $1M at 1% and assets over $2M at 2%, including the value of your home, most of your possessions AND the value of your business!

I can see Air New Zealand handing over 2% of the value of Air New Zealand to the government every year so people on the dole and students can be paid $325 a week.
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June 29, 2020 8:11am
- sooty
  
  Or they could just give them free off peak tickets.
  
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  June 29, 2020 9:20am
- Loddenthinks
  
  It only applies if the business is worth more than $1m so no worries for Air NZ on that score.
  
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  June 29, 2020 11:54am
  - Paulus
    
    I think you will find it is all (YOUR) assets not just business.
    
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    June 29, 2020 1:38pm
- Nickc2
  
  This was bought to Cindy’s attention on the Hosking show this morning and she seemed to agree with them in a rather off-hand sort of way.
  Stand-by NZ your assets are about to be stripped and re-distributed should this mob become the next government. No doubt, it will all be under the guise of paying back CV-19 induced debt but I think most people will see past that crap.
  
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  June 29, 2020 11:57am
- Rich Prick
  
  That’ll catch just about every property owner in Auckland. Good luck digging up $10k+ a year for the Greens to waste on their daft, woke ideas.
  
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  June 29, 2020 12:02pm
- backster
  
  I can’t see Shame’s nephews getting off the couch to plant pines on his mate’s slush funded property if they can get $325 for not getting off the couch.
  
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  June 29, 2020 2:59pm
- seismac
  
  This 1m –2m thing is only part of it
  Relevant to all those made unemployed by covid and no more subsidy will receive under the Greens tax
  $325 plus $170 1st child120 2nd child 100 special 180 housing and you partner can earn750 pw before the benefits are lost That $$1645/week mmmmmm where do I sign up from my $850/week job Hu
  
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  June 29, 2020 5:03pm
  - Two bob
    
    Wifey and I could literaly sit at home with the 2 kids and live off that, would cover mortgage etc aswell and since we’re reasonably self sufficient (huge garden, pigs, beefies and chooks) we could even save money from it.
    
    makes an absolute joke of the system. increasing “saftey nets” aka benefits/assistance stiffles motivation and innovation. it would be an attractive option for many
    
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    June 29, 2020 5:42pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  It is so obvious to me that the Greens are trying to buy votes with this tact. This has absolutely nothing to do with the environment.
  
  When did the Greens stop being “green” and start caring more about their own personal income as a MP?
  
  I urge everyone to contribute what they can afford to the Taxpayers Union to help stop this madness.
  
  I have done so (twice) and if you can, please do so also.
  
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  June 29, 2020 6:52pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Good to see that the Muslim community are requesting the full, uncensored version of Brenton Tarrant’s interview with the Royal Commission be shared with everyone.

“We have given a commitment to the public that we would leave no stone unturned and interviewing the individual is another way we have sought to fulfil that commitment.”

While the final report will be public, RNZ understands a decision is yet to be made on whether a full transcript of the interview will be included.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/420051/mosque-gunman-s-interview-needs-to-be-shared-with-the-wider-public
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June 29, 2020 8:13am
- G152
  
  I saw last night (Maori TV) where the dark web is to be blamed wholly for Tarrant (and allies) posting video…
  Evidently people exercising freedom can only do so if it agrees with their idea.
  It was the same old anti white anti right diatribe sadly
  
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  June 29, 2020 8:24am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Let the public see the Tarrant Manifesto.
  
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  June 29, 2020 8:25am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yes, it is hard not to believe that we are going to be fed a very filtered version of what motivated Tarrant.
    
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    June 29, 2020 8:34am
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      Especially as the political system he admired above all others was China’s, and his motivation was also eco-driven. No wonder the Socialist government and the Watermelon greens don’t want his manifesto accessible to New Zealanders.
      
      (I was overseas for work just after the atrocity, where his manifesto was legally accessible in the UK. It remains ‘interesting’ that the Entire population of country where he carried out his murderous attack is not allowed to read about his self-authored motivations. You do have to wonder what “they” want to hide).
      
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      June 29, 2020 8:38am
      - Inandout
        
        EH, if you download that document from a NZ computer you will be imprisoned. Must be some stuff there that doesn’t put the Greens in a good light.
        
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        June 29, 2020 9:18am
      - SB2
        
        This was Brenton Tarrance’s true inspiration and role model,
        
        “Anders Behring Breivik’s Complete Manifesto “2083 – A European Declaration of Independence”
        July 28, 2011
        
        https://publicintelligence.net/anders-behring-breiviks-complete-manifesto-2083-a-european-declaration-of-independence/
        
        Both clearly far to the right
        
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        June 29, 2020 10:01am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @SB2
        So you have read all of Tarrant’s manifesto?
        
        How did you manage to get hold of it?
        
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        June 29, 2020 10:21am
      - Master Mariner
        
        Yep Me too, Sailing into Karachi,Pakistan just after the event.
        
        Expecting the worst from authorities but turned out the other way. Very relieved actually.
        
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        June 29, 2020 11:01am
      - SB2
        
        MW, this video gives an excellent summation of what Tarrant’s Manifesto “The Great Replacement “is all about . Not only the usual allusions and mentionsof white genocide but more generally white supremicsim and white nationalism .It would be a platitude to say what his attitudes towards Muslims and Islam murdering 51 and wounding scores of others. Attitudes shared by many White Supremeists and Nationalists
        
        https://www.trtworld.com/video/social-videos/inside-brenton-tarrants-manifesto/5c8cef6a5788bd644f8bc837
        
        This is another useful article ; for you to consider ,
        
        “The New Zealand shooter’s manifesto shows how white nationalist rhetoric spreads”
        
        The same language featured in the alleged gunman’s manifesto is seen in white nationalist writings and outlets around the world.
        
        https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/3/15/18267163/new-zealand-shooting-christchurch-white-nationalism-racism-language
        
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        June 29, 2020 11:52am
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        @ Inandout: yes, I have never / would not try and view that document in the year+, since I came back home. It’s not worth what would happen to my career and family.
        
        I cannot even remember much of what the turd wrote, and I think TPTB rely on that, as anyone who did read it while / where it was still legal to do so, is not going to have the memory to be able to compare it with what we are going to be summarily told it contained.
        
        I also find it amazin’ / sarc, that we’uns need to be protected from reading it, but the PM, Police, Censor and all that lot are clearly of such stout stuff they can read and cope whereas the rest of us are too delicate.
        
        I wonder if someone could do an OIA on what Special Measures are being taken to ensure The Elite People deemed allowed to read the Tarrant crapulence, are not going feral themselves? If it’s such a threat…
        
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        June 29, 2020 12:36pm
      - Batman
        
        It’s not about regular people being corrupted, it’s about the terminally stupid, paranoid, and unstable.
        
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        June 29, 2020 12:51pm
      - Jack5
        
        Batman (12.51) post: You’re right! Tarrant must never be read by Micky Savage’s mob over at the Standard.
        
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        June 29, 2020 1:32pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Tarrant, in my view, presented as a nut case. Was it buried so we could have more political theatre?
        
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        June 29, 2020 1:48pm
    - Simon
      
      Tarrant – what will be censored in State inquiry / review
      
      Lack of proper enforcement of existing guns laws
      
      Tarrant’s drug taking / mental health. Would guess a cannabis / steroid addiction with mental health issues
      
      Supposed “white supremacist” whose biggest influence was supposed to a black conservative.
      
      What will come out will using Tarrant
      
      Leftist authoritarian ideology to promote the powers of the State – around controlling on line content & making gun laws hard for the very lawful. – while ignoring gangs and their gun collections.
      
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      June 29, 2020 8:49am
      - Tall Man
        
        “Twisting Tarrant”……..
        
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        June 29, 2020 10:33am
    - Sacha
      
      It’s a show trial. Waste of time and money, but will be a diversion for the masses. We all know who did what. It’s just a shame that he wasn’t dealt to on the day as far as I’m concerned.
      The media will have hysteric convulsions and God knows who they will drag from the woodwork and laud as an expert on some aspect or other. Maybe someone with a silly name –
      
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      June 29, 2020 10:50am
  - Two bob
    
    they wont, its been anylized by many overseas experts and it dosent fit the narrative of a typical white supremicist.
    
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    June 29, 2020 8:49am
    - SB2
      
      Two bob, by which overseas experts? What do think his manifesto “The Great Replacement” might mean?
      
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      June 29, 2020 11:53am
      - Two bob
        
        how about you research it yourself trollboy2?
        
        Rather the just straightout disagree or dismiss others comments go to uncle google and start your own quest for truth and answers.
        plenty of commentary from multiple sources for you to draw your conclusion from.
        
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        June 29, 2020 12:44pm
      - SB2
        
        Two bob , it is a reasonable expectation that you cite your claims others wise its reasoable to conlude that you made it up
        
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        June 29, 2020 1:46pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        The document is a rambling mess. Anyone who can interpret it and actually finish reading it would grade it as “F”. One paragraph might make sense on it own but collectively it’s intellectual rabbit droppings. I don’t see who it would delude to emulate the author.
        
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        June 29, 2020 1:57pm
  - Yvette
    
    The Anti-Jewish Manifesto of John T. Earnest, The San Diego Synagogue Shooter –
    Regarding Tarrant, Earnest states that Tarrant was a catalyst for him, showing him that events like this could be done, and should be done. He then quotes rhetoric questions that Tarrant asked in his manifesto, “WHY DOESN’T SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING? WHY DOESN’T SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING? WHY DON’T I DO SOMETHING? [emphasis in the original],” a phrase that Earnest claims to be “the most powerful words in his entire manifesto.” [1]
    
    The quote above (capitalised) is seemingly in itself not hate speech, and in the original Tarrant manifesto in context is apparently explanation rather than exhortation, but it did incite Earnest and was majorly influential as confessed by him.
    
    And how will Andrew Little define hate speech, when such a phrase above is explanation to one person and critical incitement to another, although a hater (by his actions we know him) did write it.
    
    I very much doubt the Censor saw any real danger in this statement.
    And I would also ask How does it basically differ from “Let’s do this”?
    
    [1] https://www.memri.org/reports/anti-jewish-manifesto-john-t-earnest-san-diego-synagogue-shooter pay-walled, but other references exist
    
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    June 29, 2020 9:27am
    - SB2
      
      Yvette, now come on. get real!John T. Earnest actions attempting to kill k Jews speaks volumes by itself without you trying to muddy his words .Much like Tarrant killing 51 Muslims.
      
      So how does The Tarrant Manifesto differ or not from” Let’s do this ” ??
      
      Sheesh!
      
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      June 29, 2020 12:01pm
  - Raphael
    
    They won’t want that, because Tarrant is an eco-facists, much like the Greens.
    
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    June 29, 2020 10:11am
    - SB2
      
      Raphael , rubbish!
      
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      June 29, 2020 11:55am
      - Ed Snack
        
        SB2, that’s your specialty isn’t it. Tarrant was a far left eco-fascist, you should read his manifesto. He attacked Muslim’s because he calculated (correctly) that it would generate maximum outrage and make the government react as exactly they did.
        
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        June 29, 2020 9:08pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    I read it when it first appeared. I believe Tarrant is simply trolling everyone and I very much doubt that his manifesto is what motivated him.
    
    I no longer have a copy but I believe strongly that people should be free to read whatever they want, and make their own mind up about it. You can legally buy, read and own Mein Kampf for example, and that’s the manifesto of someone who did incalculable damage to millions of people.
    
    I don’t like being told by anyone, let alone the gummint, that I’m incapable of reading something disagreeable or shocking, or that I would be at risk of radicalisation if I read it. I’m an adult and would like to be treated like one.
    
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    June 29, 2020 12:00pm
    - calendar girl
      
      Well said, Lodden.
      
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      June 29, 2020 7:52pm
  - Nickc2
    
    We paid for it, it’s ours. If it’s only made available to Muslims, that is another group of what one could call ‘special people’ in NZ. Who/what will be the next?
    
    Oh, that’s right, divide and conquer. That’s another socialist/communist tactic.
    
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    June 29, 2020 12:05pm
- peterwn
  
  This is a tricky one. Arguably Brenton must not be given a soapbox on which to express his views. The authorities have gone to great efforts to stop him expressing his views from behind bars and rightly so. If it had gone to trial a big problem would have been that he would have tried to use the witness stand as a soapbox to express his views. On this basis there is a strong case for suppression or editing it for the report especially if any item could be hurtful to the Muslin community. However if the Muslin community supports releasing it in full, that should be the deciding factor. Not supporting that wish would be highly disrespectful to the Muslin community considering the hurt they have suffered.
  
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  June 29, 2020 9:03am
  - Batman
    
    There’s also the public interest in him being glorified and copied by the mentally ill inhabitants of 8Kun, 4Chan, and (to a lesser extent) conservative treehouse et al.
    
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    June 29, 2020 9:42am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Tarrant has pleaded guilty to all charges…
    He’s not having a soapbox.
    
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    June 29, 2020 9:48am
  - Brian Marshall
    
    I’m a New Zealander. I’ve been affected by Brenton Tarrant as much as most other New Zealanders have been. I want to be able to legally read the manifesto if I want too, so my opinions should have just as much weight as anyone else. Either Muslims are New Zealanders too, or they’re not really one of us.
    
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    June 29, 2020 10:59am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Jacinda was on play school TV1 breakfast this morning spouting about testing everyone who comes through the border. She must have missed this:
https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2020/06/less_than_half_of_those_in_managed_isolation_were_tested.html
Someone is lying again
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June 29, 2020 8:23am
- MT_Tinman
  
  Amazing how the number of cases of C-19 has escalated since they started testing.
  
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  June 29, 2020 8:25am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yup, let’s get back to lying about testing so JA can tell the World that we have beaten the pandemic again. You gotta be good to win twice
    
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    June 29, 2020 8:59am
    - kwkiwigirl
      
      Ardern would see it as ‘she’ beat the pandemic, not ‘we’ in the eyes of the world media and from press releases/infomercials she sent out round the world to.
      
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      June 29, 2020 11:03am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Yes. “I beat the pandemic” not the team of 5 million.
        Such a narcissist.
        
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        June 29, 2020 11:40am
  - Ruawai
    
    24 days covid free then amazingly 9 days with covid, I smell a rat, someone wasn’t testing anyone or only people who probably haven’t got covid.
    
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    June 29, 2020 10:01am
    - Nickc2
      
      Of course, if you don’t test, you don’t find any cases.
      
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      June 29, 2020 12:11pm
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        And if you don’t eat your meat, you can’t have any pudding! 🙂
        
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        June 29, 2020 12:39pm
Simon

Did Labour get the Gweens to front with a tard tax proposal so Labour can introduce a more “moderate” version.

Gweens is this a Hail Mary for an irrelevant & useless borderline party at 5%.

Gweens GMI – – will just further entrench poverty capping income for the poor. To get above the $325 tax free have to work around 20 to 25 hours plus pw which will not happen. Permanent poverty /state dependency.

Gweens what a gift for National.
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June 29, 2020 8:23am
- Two bob
  
  what an incentive to get out and work, im sure many view the same. Stupid stupid greens, who the hell thinks making living off the state more attractive is a good idea.
  
  why do these muppets even bother to call themselves the green party anymore?
  
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  June 29, 2020 8:56am
- Komata
  
  Simon@0823
  
  Re: ‘Gweens what a gift for National’.
  
  They certainly are, BUT will the Nats have the nous to make use of it, or will it merely join the vast collection of ‘Missed opportunities’ handed to the party on numerous plates over the past three years?
  
  Sadly, I suspect the ‘plate collection’ will only increase (while National wonder what they are doing wrong).
  
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  June 29, 2020 9:01am
- kwkiwigirl
  
  Should see a big exodus of NZers to Oz in the next few years, more so if Labour gets in again.
  
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  June 29, 2020 11:04am
Maggie Pie

‘Worrying Wokeness’ in Parnell.
I’ve been going to the same Beauty Spa for nearly a decade. Could be time for a change?
They sent out a general Client TXT last night, advising that due to a number of negative reviews appearing on their website, they will no longer be stocking the popular range of ‘Botanical Skin Lightening Creams,’ nor accepting any further bookings for ‘Anal Bleaching’.

The skin lightening cream i can live without…..
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June 29, 2020 8:26am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Try and find a Korean-run one..
  You might even be able to get some skin-whitening injections
  https://seoulguidemedical.com/whitening-injection-in-korea/
  
  But nowadays I think it’s more fashionable to refer to skin brightening
  https://www.liquividalounge.com/aesthetics/skin-lightening-glutathione-injections
  
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  June 29, 2020 8:42am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Thanks for the links Maggs, butt……
    
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    June 29, 2020 8:51am
  - Biscuit
    
    Maggy, not that I’d know, heh heh, but down here in Wells the ‘in’ term for anal bleaching is…
    
    Changing your ring tone
    
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    June 29, 2020 10:06am
    - stigie
      
      Bwahahahahaha
      
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      June 29, 2020 10:57am
- Benedict Yu
  
  ewww 🙁
  
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  June 29, 2020 8:50am
Simon

Orange Man Bad TDS off the charts. All the Never Trumpers, Owned by the CCP, Neo-Cons, Left, MSM, Dems & Marxists losing their shit.

If Biden was really 12 points ahead of Trump then they would not be stoking up all the hatred, division, fake news, Russian collusion ,economic wrecking, & Wuhan virus promoting retardation.
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June 29, 2020 8:29am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trans Tasman bubble. JA says we will not do anything stupid? Says the decision will be up to Australia.
Where I come from that is called ‘dodging the bullet’
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June 29, 2020 8:34am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  Well, our track record on stupidity is already suspect. “We” have her as PM… Q.E.D.
  
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  June 29, 2020 8:45am
  - Flossie
    
    I don’t really think “we” are at fault there EH. Most of us did not vote for that PM, so let’s blame Winston who anointed her. He was NEVER going with National was he!
    
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    June 29, 2020 9:25am
Simon

As the Wuhan death rates fall & as world wide herd immunity increases NZ will be just this loser hermit nation.

The MSM Wuhan Virus panic attacks are just BS. Death rates are falling like a rock.

What the end game for the Wuhan virus in NZ? A vaccine. According to MoH in March a vaccine will be available in early next year.

Except if there isnt a market for the vaccine there will not be one developed.

Best thing to happen a community outbreak of the Wuhan Virus. Isolate everyone over 75 and let the virus take its course. Then join the rest of the world.
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June 29, 2020 8:37am
- Inandout
  
  Simon, pre white settlers the Maori people lived in a bubble. OK no wheels, no buildings, no heating, no meat, nothing really except warfare and trenches.
  
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  June 29, 2020 9:22am
  - kowtow
    
    “no meat”
    
    Er , plenty of long pig.
    
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    June 29, 2020 10:13am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Plenty?
      
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      June 29, 2020 4:47pm
Yvette

After the March 15 mosques massacres, Ardern very promptly changed gun laws, with the support of many, motivated it seems by the very horror of what had happened.
Now it is revealed there have been grave errors in the observance of the law that did exist when Tarrant made his applications to own the guns he used.

But many owners have now handed in their firearms, obeying laws made on assumptions based on Tarrant’s actions, but not taking into account the mishandling of the issue by Police when Tarrant legally applied for licenses.

Will there be any re-evaluation of this whole issue in light of this?
No.
The Police have all the firearms handed in as a result of the new laws, and the Government will obviously not now reappraise what they have done, in view of what the Police didn’t do.
The utter irony of this only highlights the total dishonesty of the entire firearms amnesty.
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Tarrant evidently predicted changes to firearm law consequent his actions and such upheaval with depriving gun-owners’ rights was part of his hopes.

The confirmed guilty perpetrator’s manifesto explains aspects of this, but New Zealanders are denied the right to read his pre-event written explanation of what he would actually do.

The Las Vegas shooting, for example, when Stephen Paddock, opened fire on the crowd attending the Route 91 Harvest music festival on the Las Vegas Strip in Nevada, firing more than 1,000 rounds of ammunition from 32nd floor suites in the Mandalay Bay Hotel, killing 58 people and wounding 413, with the ensuing panic bringing the injury total to 869. The FBI has now closed the case with any motive remaining officially undetermined.

Rather than Paddock leaving no manifesto, suicide note, or clue explaining his actions, New Zealand has always had the 74 page confession and explanation of intent, but is not allowed to read it.
There is nothing like the suppression of information to promote idiocy.

And on top of that the Censor’s statement as to Why “The Great Replacement” (Tarrant’s manifesto) is banned, he cites passages on Tarrant’s comments on killing children as being a most objectionable portion, but actually quotes more than one of those parts, so presents such material for the reader’s consideration anyway.

There is a strong case to be argued that a “cleaned up” copy of the manifesto would greatly assist the public understanding of the event, and consequent issues such as the changes to firearms law.
If someone could be relied on the distinguish passages that are supposed “right” verbiage, memes and distractions, and leave a sense of what may represent Tarrant’s general thinking, in a way that a reader could reasonably form an opinion of his actions, we could be better placed than we now are.

But instead of presenting to the nation, a fully officially annotated version of Tarrant’s manifesto, Ardern in her intuitive wisdom, would rather not even admit the man has a name.

And that seems roughly about the same position the Police had in checking his firearms eligibility.

This above was written before yesterday’s reports that an interview has been done now with Tarrant and may yet present the information reading his manifesto would perhaps allow – if reading his manifesto was allowed – or a full court case should have revealed.

Some people have read the Tarrant manifest – quite legitimately, before it was banned – and for some of those what has been read, cannot be unread.
So what those people remember could be an interesting check on what the Commission publishes and hopefully they will realise that.
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June 29, 2020 8:40am
- KevO'Brien
  
  My view of the Manifesto was that it showed a seriously peculiar mind to the point of madness–largely incomprehensible.
  
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  June 29, 2020 2:31pm
Gravelroad

Anyone seen Stuff this morning?
Seems to have undergone a manic transformation overnight.
What an awful mess.
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June 29, 2020 8:44am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Link?
  
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  June 29, 2020 8:53am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Look on the Stuff website…….
    
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    June 29, 2020 9:35am
- Lance
  
  Who cares?
  Deck chair shuffling on the Titanic
  
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  June 29, 2020 9:19am
- Jimmy White
  
  I got as far as ‘ Kia Ora, Aotearoa!’ and closed the page
  
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  June 29, 2020 9:34am
  - Batman
    
    Imagine being this much of a snowflake.
    
    Extra large pails of harden up are available at hardware stores.
    
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    June 29, 2020 9:55am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      How much? Is it marketed by Stuff?
      Good way to make some dash on the side
      
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      June 29, 2020 10:03am
    - Tall Man
      
      So not wanting your country’s name changed without consultation makes one a “snowflake”.
      
      Not wanting to waste valuable time reading woke rubbish makes one a “snowflake”.
      
      Good to know where you’re coming from.
      
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      June 29, 2020 10:39am
      - Batman
        
        By all means discontinue reading Stuff because it is rubbish. I fully support that.
        
        But refusing to use a particular resource because of a single word being used once is utterly intellectually lazy.
        
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        June 29, 2020 10:45am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Batman, to use a single word is ‘bait’ They know there are those who kick back – and so they should if they prefer New Zealand instead of some name that is not on the World Atlas
        
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        June 29, 2020 11:43am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Maybe it looks better on a mobile device?
  
  I think it was mostly so they could quietly slip the climate change garbage down below the line, without losing too much face.
  
  It certainly doesn’t curate the news!
  
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  June 29, 2020 9:35am
- kwkiwigirl
  
  I only really use Stuff to get the sports results now.
  
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  June 29, 2020 11:06am
Tony Stuart

I spent a large part of yesterday in Masterton, attending the National Party Lower North Island regional AGM. All MP’s from the LNI area were in attendance, along with the six new (and very impressive) candidates. It was the best attended LNI meeting I have been to for many years, and the mood was extremely positive.

The Whanganui electorate had put forward a remit calling on an incoming National government to undertake an independent review and cost-benefit analysis of the One Billion Trees policy. Our electorate Chair Andy and myself spoke in favour of the remit, which passed almost unanimously. Overnight, we got some positive coverage from National’s Napier candidate Katie Nimon (link below), with some concerning data from her electorate. After meeting Katie and hearing her speak yesterday, I believe Stuart Nash is in for a real contest in Napier.

https://www.facebook.com/nzkatienimon/photos/a.1316546035059214/3030437760336691/?type=3&theater

One of the really good things about being involved in a political party is the ability for rank and file members such as myself to make policy suggestions, pass them through local and regional meetings, and send them on to the party to consider. That’s grassroots democracy in action.
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June 29, 2020 8:47am
- Benedict Yu
  
  If National did not want a billion pine trees it should not have supported the Zero Carbon Act. You can’t have a review of Billion Trees without figuring out what climate goals you have. So maybe get National to sort that out first.
  
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  June 29, 2020 8:53am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    In supporting the Zero Carbon Act at Third Reading, Todd Muller said there were at least twelve significant changes an incoming National government would make to the legislation. An immediate change National could make to OBT is to close off the exemption in the Overseas Investment Act which allows foreign buyers to invest in land for forestry.
    
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    June 29, 2020 9:03am
    - chukar
      
      TS,
      National are as communist as the incumbents.
      Any property owner should be able to dispose of their property to the purchaser who pays the best money.
      This is the party that supports property rights?
      
      Hahahaha
      
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      June 29, 2020 9:20am
    - Gravelroad
      
      Tony Stuart: am I reading your comment above correctly that it is, or could be, National Party policy that no private land owner will be allowed to sell a block of land to a foreign owned forestry company?
      That is quite an extreme impost on private property rights. If this is policy, that’s me done with the National Party.
      Also, what is OBT?
      
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      June 29, 2020 9:29am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        OBT is One Billion Trees.
        
        When Labour came into power, they amended the Overseas Investment Act to stop land sales to foreigners. However, because of the OBT policy, an exemption was left in the OIA to allow land sales to foreigners, provided the land was planted in forestry.
        
        Frankly, I believe land owners should be able to sell to whoever they wish, but that’s not what has happened. Overseas investors have come in, and instead of buying marginal hill country farms as was intended, they have bought farms all over the place; good, productive beef and sheep farms and pastoral land have been sold, and been planted in exotic species. mainly pine.
        
        Personally, I believe that anyone should be able to buy New Zealand land. Others will argue the opposite. But there shouldn’t be a deliberate loophole in the Act to allow farm sales for one purpose only, and that’s what most of this is about. There is a place for planting trees, but it needs to be the right tree, in the right place, for the right purpose.
        
        Millions of dollars of taxpayer funds are going to disappear offshore as overseas investors collect their carbon credit payments. At the same time, Beef and Lamb NZ estimate the country will lose $1.5b per year in export returns, and that is income that will never be recovered. That’s why we are calling for an independent review and cost-benefit analysis of the whole OBT policy.
        
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        June 29, 2020 10:23am
      - David George
        
        I understand that the specific exemption would be removed; the normal criteria of the OIA (specific national and local benefit for example) would remain.
        
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        June 29, 2020 10:57am
    - rangitoto
      
      1st step – repeal every law and act of parliament since the commies came to power.
      
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      June 29, 2020 10:06am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      But the party supported it at third reading, and it became law.
      
      Coulda, woulda, shoulda.
      
      Nope, sorry Todd. Fail.
      
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      June 29, 2020 10:47am
- tf78
  
  Tony next time you’re talking to the Nats can you ask them if they are going to sign up again for the Paris Accord which expires on 20 November this year – please, please.
  
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  June 29, 2020 10:01am
- Goon
  
  Any remits to remove CCP spies if not from the party at least from candidacy? Or are the cucks still happy as long as the mongolian horsebreeders ‘pony’ up again this year??
  
  https://croakingcassandra.com/2020/06/29/pursuing-jian-yang-and-the-travesty-that-is-nz-politics/
  
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  June 29, 2020 11:32am
hullkiwi

As a Kiwi I fear for this country, my fear is the leadership that this country has in both the private and public sectors does not have a strategic clue as to what they are doing and what this country needs.

If we look at the public sector, there is absolutely no strategic vision as to what New Zealand needs from either the politicians or the bureaucracy e.g.
1. Tax and welfare = tax the rich more in order to redistribute – that is recipe to take NZ backwards;
2. Energy = we don’t like fossil fuels, so we stop exploration or mining in NZ, but we then must import from abroad. We want more “green” energy, but don’t have a strategy how to deliver it or meet the elimination of fossil fuels.
3. Transport = grandiose ideas about building more transport systems/infrastructure – but we have no actual idea about what the true transport need is and what is required to meet that need.
4. Tourism = there is an ambivalence to tourism – do we need it, do we want it? Over the past 30 years tourism has evolved into an international offering, employing and earning a significant percentage of the country’s GDP. But what do we see, and indifferent approach from Central government and corporate welfare being offered up to companies that should not even need such support.
5. Health – the least/enough said.
6. Education – the least/enough said.
7. The central government sector – it just continues to grow – more ministries and quangos are created every time the government changes – why? The 1980s saw a review of how the government sector was structured – since then the public sector has been reverting back to the way it use to operate, but we are still employ expensive CEOs/Director Generals to head these government departments/ministries.
8. Local government – we only need to look at Auckland Supercity, Auckland Transport and Watercare to see the arrogance of local politicians, overpaid (clueless) executives for examples of leadership without a strategic idea of what is needed and what they must deliver.

Then there is the private sector:
1. Fletchers – a managerial disaster zone since the 1990s, now owned from Singapore;
2. Other major construction companies – Hawkins, Mainzeal – poor
3. Transport – all bar Ritchies (plus subsidiaries) and Air New Zealand, nearly all of the rest are foreign owned (there are a few exceptions) – meaning public subsidies are paying dividends abroad.
4. The only major retail chains NZ owned are the chains owned by the Norman family, Warehouse, Mitre10 and Foodstuffs – the rest are Australian or going out of business.
5. NZ media (except for Stuff, TVNZ and RNZ) – foreign owned, sales channels
6.Food industry – other than the farms, and two fishing companies, Fontera, KiwiFruit industry it has all been sold and is foreign owned.
7. Exporting or raw product at international commodity rates only to import highly priced finished goods e.g. carpets, furniture, clothing etc.
8. Continuous calls for foreign investment, but foreign investment equates to buying NZ created assets and providing a means for profit streams leave the country with minimal corporation tax paid e.g. F&P, Freshup, TipTop etc. Or alternatively it is importing product manufactured in Asia by foreign corporates to be sold in flagship stores, but through transfer pricing schemes – profits leave NZ with only limited corporation tax being paid.

If NZ wants to prosper, NZ needs a rethink and leadership who understand strategy – how to deliver, why they are delivering it and what they are delivering is needed now!!
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June 29, 2020 8:52am
- kevn
  
  @HullKiwi… Exactly.
  What is that NZer’s don’t understand about the clown circus way of running NZ down and back ? ?
  
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  June 29, 2020 9:26am
- greybeard
  
  Great summary.
  
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  June 29, 2020 9:28am
  - MCos
    
    Except there is no comment on health & education apart from a palm off.
    
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    June 29, 2020 10:30am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Yes, it was a palm off. Alternatively, I could write that neither sector have been functioning at either a strategic/policy level or operational level to achieve anything more than mediocre outcomes.
      With health there are issues with MoH being remote from the DHBs, understanding the structure of the DHBs ( the recent report), who delivers what health service etc. And irrespective of what structure for health policy making and delivery, there will be agreement (as everybody has an opinion about what they think is the way to deliver a health service).
      
      Education – there are failures at all levels of the system. But the biggest failures lie with the govt, where all the”big ideas” or flagship policied (eg free first year fees),
      are being driven by dogma rather than evidence pointing to the achievement if better outcomes.
      
      The above helping to confirm my point, that NZ lacks strategic leadership.
      
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      June 29, 2020 2:22pm
- Philview
  
  I do not believe that Labour leaders have any idea when they wake up in the morning what significant spending pledge they are going to make for the day.
  I saw a documentary the other day on Lotto winners in the US and eye watering sums of money were blown in a short space of time. We now have the same level of thinking running the country.
  
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  June 29, 2020 10:06am
I remember when

Nicole McKee did a good job when presenting reasoned arguments against the hasty Labour Government response to the mosque shootings.
It wasn’t easy to to suggest a view in favour of responsible gun owners and legislation at that time.
Fastest legislation in the West(ern world). Remember.
We beat Australia who let commonsense slow down their response.
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June 29, 2020 8:55am
lifesgood

Today 375 expat NZers are arriving in New Zealand. It costs the NZ tax payer $4000 to keep each one in quarantine for 2 weeks. That is $1,500.000 just for today’s lot….and flights are coming in every day. Are we insane!!!
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June 29, 2020 9:02am
- Flossie
  
  Only 375? I must have been hearing things as I thought it was in excess of 600!
  
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  June 29, 2020 9:46am
  - Ruawai
    
    640 today
    
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    June 29, 2020 10:05am
    - lifesgood
      
      375 was the last I heard but I am sure you are right…640! man, oh man, that’s around $3mill a day the taxpayers is forking out. Enough, already! For God’s sake start charging them. They will only be here till this passes over and we mugs will be left to pay it off. You can’t tell me that 40,000 (as quoted by Peters) Nzers were overseas on holidays when this hit. They are just ex patriot bludgers using us as a bolt hole.
      
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      June 29, 2020 11:20am
- Brian McDonald
  
  I’d like to know how they reach a figure of $4,000 for each person, looks like plenty of price hiking going on there.
  Then some of the returnees give unreliable addresses and cell phone numbers.
  It might sound tough but in the current circumstances would it be unfair to prevent entry to anyone who won’t test and co-operate as reasonably required?
  I feel most people given the opportunity for a free trip home will be willing to co-operate with Covid Border requirements and be prepared to accept the conditions. There is no onus on a Government to offer free flights etc, so it should be a 2-way street.
  
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  June 29, 2020 9:59am
  - Ruawai
    
    How hard would it be at the time they give their mobile number to test ring it on the spot, if it doesn’t ring they have given a false number and get a next of kin number in case they haven’t got a NZ mobile and do a test ring on that as well before letting the person out.
    
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    June 29, 2020 10:07am
    - Brian McDonald
      
      Exactly.
      
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      June 29, 2020 10:33am
  - lifesgood
    
    They do have to pay their airfares so the trip is not free, just the accommodation. A friend was telling my last week that her young relative was coming home to have two weeks rest at a hotel, then a couple of weeks with her family, then back to the UK again. Bloody disgusting.
    
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    June 29, 2020 10:35am
    - Sacha
      
      “just the accomodation”
      huh.
      Young relative should delay travel till next year . . . .
      
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      June 29, 2020 11:07am
  - Tall Man
    
    Accommodation, food, transport, security, sanitising plus a shitload of public servants “administering” really badly.
    
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    June 29, 2020 10:43am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Brian – I understand that the $4000 figure includes an allocation for the health and defence staff who are managing the quarantine facilities.
    
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    June 29, 2020 10:54am
    - Colville
      
      $4000 wouldn’t cover my bar tab if I was locked in a hotel for 2 weeks! ?
      
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      June 29, 2020 11:11am
- rangitoto
  
  Most of these bludgers will head back offshore as soon as things settle down. Thanks suckers for the handouts.
  
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  June 29, 2020 10:08am
- MCos
  
  What’s your answer?
  Set them loose into the wild?
  As we know each day brings more and more infected people into the country, which short of stopping anyone entering the country (which would require a law change), we can’t do a thing about.
  BTW
  The money spent at least keeps some people in a job.
  
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  June 29, 2020 10:38am
  - Two bob
    
    yup let em loose. how long do you think we can keep this up?
    6months? 1year? 5years? infinite?
    go full on north korea and not allow any citizens out while we’re at it?
    
    Labour dont admit failure but instead double down, what do you think will happen if re elected and no vaccine is developed???
    CoL has no plan b and has backed NZ into a corner and the worlds about to f**ken pummel us.
    
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    June 29, 2020 1:02pm
I remember when

Have the Green Party become the Cargo Cult Party of the South Pacific?
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June 29, 2020 9:08am
JibberJabber

Wee Luke is all atwitter about not having to work, ever.
https://twitter.com/luke_wijohn/status/1277070720061919237
Just another dead-eyed communist and it hasn’t even left school yet.
Wonder what mummy and daddy think about his wealth tax?
Make him buy his own iphone next time.
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June 29, 2020 9:14am
- alex Masterley
  
  Aptly described as Venezuela Boy in one of the coments.
  
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  June 29, 2020 9:56am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  In the glory days of the UK Labour Govt under Darling ‘arold, the income tax went up to 90%. There was a tsunami of people leaving the UK.
  
  By the end of the Labour Govt they had devalued the pound by 14% and called in the IMF
  
  Isnt little Luke’s Daddy a partner at Deloittes???
  
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  June 29, 2020 10:01am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  I see that further down the stream was a TVNZ journalist – they have decided to Cancel Weta Studios.
  
  She is running an expose on sexual harrasment at Weta Studios.
  
  The Marxists just cannot bear that someone, somewhere might be successful. Peter and Fran are luvvies, they are almost certainly reliable green voters. It won’t save them.
  
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  June 29, 2020 10:26am
Happychappy

If the Greens were serious about helping stop child poverty in NZ why do they still support Jacinda Ardern and her as the spokesperson for Child Poverty. Here is a question, go back a look at what Bill English achieved in the short time he had trying to fix child poverty when he was Prime Minister and Jacinda stopped that in its tracks when Winston Peter’s installed her as Prime Minister because she Jacinda had a better plan, well history will tell us Jacinda fucked up and achieved nothing and the figures nearly doubled in the time the Coalition has been the Government.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/06/advocate-hails-green-plan-to-end-poverty-says-current-situation-a-disgrace.html
So the public should be aware Labour and the only want to tax the rich to piss them off because they are successful and to keep chucking money at a problem they have know chance of fixing with the attitude they hold.
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June 29, 2020 9:18am
- Two bob
  
  if they were serious about reducing child poverty then the logical thing to do would be tax child birth wouldnt it? watch birth rates slow up and only the responsible/ capable breed.
  
  im all for everyones freedom of choice but if they are relying on handouts to support a family and still in poverty well maybe its time to regulate some criteria to meet before breeding. stable relationship and a bit of financial buffer for starters.
  
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  June 29, 2020 1:15pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  Indeed. The Greens might also reflect that the National government achieved more for the environment than they have
  
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  June 29, 2020 1:45pm
RRM

The Standard appears to be down.

Watermelon party tax announcement so big that it’s broken the left side of the internet??
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June 29, 2020 9:21am
I remember when

The trouble with Government understanding is the gap between the Public Service and Private Enterprise thinking.
One is based on the legislation, while the other just wants to solve the particular problem. The Public Service consider Private Enterprise thinking simplistic and accordingly their views are not highly thought of, so often ignored.
It is the difference between the present problem and the longer term ongoing use of legislation.
Good legislation needs to provide the right answers for both the users and the policy makers.
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June 29, 2020 9:23am
- tf78
  
  Public sector have a guaranteed income – private sector don’t as they have to take a gamble to be successful.
  
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  June 29, 2020 10:10am
JibberJabber

OK, now they`ve gone too far, this is beyond the pale, call out the National Guard!
https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1277312688666718208
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June 29, 2020 9:24am
Maggie Pie

A ‘business aquaintance’ of my partner is now living in Thailand. Among his many other ventures, he’s also joined the Volunteer Tourist Police in Pattaya.
He tweets…..

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ebg6KkuUMAE1gbh?format=jpg&name=medium
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June 29, 2020 9:45am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Gosh, do you think your partner’s business acquaintance could point out to the owner of that joint that the plural of egg doesn’t require an apostrophe?
  
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  June 29, 2020 10:00am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    LOL!!
    But ya gotta admit the menu does sound rather fab 😛
    
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    June 29, 2020 10:30am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://babylonbee.com/news/mastercard-changes-name-to-equalitycard
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June 29, 2020 9:45am
- Lance
  
  Very funny
  Interesting as some of the tech my company creates communicates by Master / Slave arrangement.
  Indeed Motorola came up with MISO (Master In Slave Out) and MOSI (Master Out Slave In) acronyms
  Trouble at mill looming?
  
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  June 29, 2020 11:05am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Thank goodness I don’t have a Master’s degree.
    
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    June 29, 2020 11:38am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I am a ‘Jack of all trades’ That is bound to trigger some deranged idiot
      
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      June 29, 2020 11:46am
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      I have one, so according to the SJW’s I better denounce myself? Err, no. I’ll promote myself instead 🙂
      
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      June 29, 2020 12:44pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Sooo
  What’s the story with the White Pages telephone directory then…
  
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  June 29, 2020 1:17pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Or the yellow.
    
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    June 29, 2020 6:01pm
- RJ
  
  Well in Texas Realestate agents are no longer using the term master bedroom or master bathroom. It’s just gone insane.
  
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  June 29, 2020 1:34pm
thirteenstars

California votes to remove equality before the law clause from its constitution.

https://fee.org/articles/california-legislature-votes-to-strike-the-state-shall-not-discriminate-from-constitution-opening-the-door-to-legalized-discrimination
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June 29, 2020 10:02am
Pharmachick

I was last home for 10 days in September 2019 for my Nana’s funeral, was very sad. But in hindsight, glad I came back and saw my family because who knows when I’ll be back now…

But on top of that I’ve just realized something … despite being a citizen, as I have not spent the minimum (14 days) inside NZ in the last 2 years, I am ineligible to vote in the November election. But fu**ing criminals can vote.
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June 29, 2020 10:04am
- Pharmachick
  
  Correction – just went to the electoral commission, my 10 days counts (it is any visit in the last 3 years). Not sure if the law has changed or if I was just plain wrong.
  
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  June 29, 2020 10:23am
  - Steve Todd
    
    I’m afraid you were just plain wrong.
    
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    June 29, 2020 11:44am
    - Pharmachick
      
      It happens!
      
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      June 29, 2020 12:34pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        True. The good thing is, you can vote.
        
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        June 29, 2020 1:12pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        Yes, yes indeed.
        
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        June 29, 2020 1:37pm
  - rangitoto
    
    The rule should be that only citizens who have been resident for at least ten months of the year prior to the election date should be allowed to vote, unless they have been posted offshore in an NZ serving capacity such as armed forces or diplomatic/trade mission.
    
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    June 29, 2020 11:45am
    - Pharmachick
      
      I disagree, but would be interested in hearing why you think that.
      
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      June 29, 2020 1:44pm
      - rangitoto
        
        If you don’t reside here then you don’t suffer the consequences of government action.
        
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        June 29, 2020 3:57pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        Yes but my parents do suffer it, and my brother, SIL and their kids, and m cousins, and friends etc…
        
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        June 29, 2020 6:18pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      @rangitoto @ 11:45AM
      
      It’s winter 2023 – the upcoming general election has been set down for Saturday, 23 September – and many retirees are travelling through Europe for 10 or 12 weeks, on their “trip of a lifetime”.
      
      There will be many other “classes” of people who will be overseas for extended periods of time for any number of legitimate reasons, too. And you’re saying these people can’t vote in the election?
      
      What utter nonsense. I’m with Pharmachick; I “would be interested in hearing why you think that”, too.
      
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      June 29, 2020 2:28pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://babylonbee.com/news/trumps-says-5-golden-tickets-to-be-hidden-among-stimulus-checks
Last sentence is worth it
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June 29, 2020 10:08am
SB2

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
It’s interesting how many posters here condemn the alledged ineptness of the PM and Dr Bloomfield but are at the ready to excuse a moreso fumbling ,bumbling ,incompetent Donald Trump who has helped to make the US a Covid 19 .basket case. The only sane person in his adminstaion is of course Dr Anthony Fauci

https://www.clarionledger.com/story/opinion/2020/05/03/trumps-handling-coronavirus-shows-depth-ineptness-opinion-rachel-james-terry/3047270001/

Why is this ?
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June 29, 2020 10:09am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Except
  1. The state governors are responsible for their response, Trump can only help, IF they ask.
  2. Trump helped to the extent, that he built a tent hospital in central park, and sent 2…yes two large hospital ships to key places…which the Governor of NY did NOT use.
  and many other examples of governor’s incompetence and anti Trump petulance, that cost their individual states dearly…..Most prevalent in Democrat run states.
  
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  June 29, 2020 10:36am
  - Batman
    
    Citizens, pay no attention to the role of the leader. It is merely a meaningless office with no authority!
    
    And definitely pay no attention to said leader’s refusal to wear a mask as per official advice, undermining of public health messaging, and consistent claims that it is managed and we can go back to life as normal.
    
    Meanwhile in the real world, there’s a massive spike underway and it’s all in red states that opened up under the urging of their wise leader…
    
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    June 29, 2020 10:49am
    - kowtow
      
      Massive spike ?
      
      Those BLM rioters and demonstrators were strictly adhering to the social distancing rules…..
      
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      June 29, 2020 12:11pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      The best correlated event with the current upsurge in CV cases are the BLM riots and looting; it doesn’t synch nearly so well with the various openings on a state by state basis.
      
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      June 29, 2020 10:16pm
  - Critical Thinker
    
    All True ?
    
    8 of the top 1o US states with the highest deaths per million from the ChinaVirus are run by Democrat Governors:
    
    1. New Jersey – Governor Phil Murphy (Democratic Party) = 1,702
    2. New York – Governor Andrew Cuomo (Democratic Party) = 1,605
    3. Connecticut – Governor Ned Lamont (Democratic Party) = 1,211
    4. Massachusetts – Governor Charlie Baker (Republican Party) = 1,169
    5. Rhode Island- Gina Raimondo (Democratic Party) = 875
    6. District Of Columbia – Governor Jay Inslee (Democratic Party) = 779
    7. Louisiana – John Bel Edwards (Democratic Party) = 690
    8. Michigan – Gretchen Whitmer (Democratic Party) = 617
    9. Illinois – J. B. Pritzker (Democratic Party) = 559
    10. Maryland – Larry Hogan (Republican Party) = 524
    
    Nations that have been hit by the ChinaVirus worse than the USA:
    
    Belgium = 840
    UK = 642
    Spain = 606
    Italy = 575
    Sweden = 523
    France = 456
    USA = 388
    
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
    
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    June 29, 2020 11:04am
    - Critical Thinker
      
      Democrat Governors profusely thanking Trump for his support in helping them battle the ChinaVirus:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGbV0yPwWYE
      
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      June 29, 2020 11:18am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        All bar Cuomo actually gave Trump the credit.
        he just kept saying…”the federal govt.”
        Maybe he thinks Pelosi did it????
        
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        June 29, 2020 11:35am
      - Critical Thinker
        
        @RW Capitalist
        Here’s the criminally inept Democrat governor Cuomo repeatedly thanking Trump for his help:
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AJEMYKuS4A
        
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        June 29, 2020 11:42am
      - cmm
        
        That’s the Cuomo who refers to it as the European virus.
        
        Dunno what he’s trying to achieve.
        
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        June 29, 2020 12:47pm
    - SB2
      
      A completely different situation is provided here,
      
      Number and change of coronavirus (COVID-19) cases and deaths among the most impacted countries worldwide as of June 22, 2020
      Search:
      Records:
      Total number of infections Average number of new cases in last 7 days Total number of deaths Average number of new deaths in last 7 days
      
      United States 2,280,969 27,000 119,977 610
      Brazil 1,083,341 31,000 50,591 1,000
      Russia 591,465 7,900 8,196 170
      India 425,282 13,000 13,699 360
      United Kingdom 305,803 1,200 42,717 130
      Peru 251,338 3,600 7,861 200
      Spain 246,272 340 28,323 –
      Chile 242,355 5,300 4,479 170
      Italy 238,499 280 34,634 41
      Iran 204,952 2,500 9,623 110
      Showing entries 1 to 10 (10 entries in total)
      Additional Information
      © Statista 2020
      Show source
      
      https://www.statista.com/statistics/1105264/coronavirus-covid-19-cases-most-affected-countries-worldwide/
      
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      June 29, 2020 1:55pm
      - Critical Thinker
        
        These results that you just posted are a week old (22nd June). But show essentially the same thing that I posted ?
        
        The US right now has 128,437 people that died with the VERY liberally applied COVID-19 virus. A week ago it was 119,977.
        
        Which gives them 388 deaths per million. Compared to Belgium’s 840 deaths per million. And so on.
        
        Showing that even due to the mostly Democrat governors criminal ineptitude, the US under Trumps leadership has been doing significantly better than Belgium, UK, Spain, Italy, Sweden and France ?
        
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        June 29, 2020 2:24pm
      - Critical Thinker
        
        White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator Dr. Deborah Birx explains America’s methods for COVID-19 death classification. Anyone that dies WITH the virus is counted as someone that died FROM the virus. This has significantly inflated the COVID-19 death count in the US ??
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6r54ZVZPPAY
        
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        June 29, 2020 2:47pm
      - Batman
        
        We’ve been through this. The virus causes massive complications, including respiratory failure, which can often cause death.
        
        You’re basically arguing that drunk driving doesn’t kill, it’s actually ditches and trees that are the true culprits, so drink driving is perfectly fine and harmless.
        
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        June 29, 2020 3:53pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘including respiratory failure,’
        True, just like the Flu often triggers Pneumonia in old people and they die.
        Did they die of the Flu or Pneumonia?
        
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        June 29, 2020 4:47pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  alledged ineptness of the PM
  
  alleged???
  
  Didn’t you watch yesterday’s announcement by Minister Woods and Mr Fix-it?
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FToY5jJcKUQ
  
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  June 29, 2020 11:35am
- Ed Snack
  
  So Trump forced NYC and NY State to send patients sick with CV into rest homes unfitted to handle them – and when there were alternatives made available by Trump via the Navy and Army. I never knew that, got any proof though that it wasn’t just Democrats deliberately making it worse in order to attempt to pin the issue on Trump ? That is far more likely.
  
  You can see why they’d do it though, most of those old people won’t vote Democrat until after they die, after that they’ll vote that way reliably for years.
  
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  June 29, 2020 10:22pm
Fletch

Black Lives Matter – who is funding them? Follow the money. It’s a “charity” led by a woman, Susan Rosenberg, convicted for domestic terrorism. She used to be part of a group called May 19 that carried out bombings in Washington and New York in the 1980s. A nasty piece of work. She was jailed for 58 years but was pardoned by Bill Clinton on his way out after only 16 years.

Susan Rosenberg is the. “vice-char” of a charity called “Thousand Currents,” which is located in California.

The “Thousand Currents” charity manages the fundraising operations for the national arm of “Black Lives Matter.”

And Susan Rosenberg is a convicted terrorist and the only reason that she’s free today is because Bill Clinton pardoned her on his last day in office.

The charity site removed the page about Rosenberg from their site after word started to leak about her terrorist past.

Rosenberg was involved with a communist terrorist group that carried out bombings in New York and Washington, D.C., in the early 1980s.

From Bizpacreview

Rosenberg’s involvement with the May 19 Communist Organization, which carried out its bombing campaign to create a contrast to former President Ronald Reagan’s “Morning in America” campaign promise, earned her a spot on the FBI’s Most Wanted List, according to The Washington Examiner. She was arrested in New Jersey in 1984 while unloading 740 pounds of stolen explosives and a sub-machine gun from a truck.

Rosenberg was released from prison in 2001 after having her sentence commuted by Clinton, serving 16 years of her 58-year prison sentence.

U.S. Attorney Mary Jo White lobbied aggressively against Rosenberg’s commutation at the time, noting that she had allegedly been one of the getaway drivers in the 1981 Brink’s robbery, which resulted in the deaths of two police officers and one security guard. Rosenberg was charged with crimes in the robbery, but those charges were dropped because she was already in prison, The New York Times reported.

Rosenberg was also identified as a member of the Thousand Currents board of directors in the charity’s Form 990s submitted to the IRS for its 2016, 2017 and 2018 fiscal years, indicating that the former terrorist has been involved with the group for the entirety of its fiscal sponsorship arrangement with Black Lives Matter Global Foundation, which began in 2016.

https://www.waynedupree.com/2020/06/susan-rosenberg-terrorist-black-lives-matter/

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/06/27/convicted-terrorist-sits-on-board-of-charity-handling-black-lives-matter-fundraising-940103

Now you know. BLM is funded and run by Marxists, anarchists and terrorists. Evil never sleeps.
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June 29, 2020 10:48am
- kowtow
  
  The black fist symbol so many display also deserves some light shed on it.
  
  Represents a long history of violent , far left, race exclusive policies that are a direct threat to a peaceful constitutional democracy .
  
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  June 29, 2020 12:00pm
Captain Mainwaring

Breaking news.
Paula Bennett has decided not to stand in the election.
What about Simon?
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June 29, 2020 11:07am
- Sacha
  
  Sensible woman.
  
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  June 29, 2020 11:13am
  - lifesgood
    
    I am sorry about this. I really like Paula. She is highly intelligent, articulate and approachable. She made Jacinda look like an uneducated beginner. The left hate her for those reasons and constantly brought up her solo motherhood and past dependence on the DPB, ahem, pot, kettle, black. The left hate anyone who betters themselves, they are meant to stay dependent on the state (labour). Hypocrites! Good luck, Paula, enjoy your new life.
    
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    June 29, 2020 11:28am
    - Swifty
      
      The left reserve a special kind of hate for any women, gays or non-whites who see through their charade and try to work against them.
      
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      June 29, 2020 12:05pm
- rangitoto
  
  Simon will be speaker of the house after the election.
  
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  June 29, 2020 11:49am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    He would make a fine Attorney General. for Speaker I would nominate Nick Smith.
    
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    June 29, 2020 2:40pm
Captain Mainwaring

I’ve just thought of a way National could gain an immediate 20% lift in support.
Promise that they would make patronising use of the word ‘Aotearoa’ in news items or the name of anything illegal.
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June 29, 2020 11:08am
- kowtow
  
  Why do you think the Media Party vilified Brash so vehemently after his “notorious” Orewa speech .
  
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  June 29, 2020 11:45am
- Albert_Ross
  
  Nope. Freedom of speech applies to speech you don’t like or it’s not freedom of speech, something we profess to value
  
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  June 29, 2020 1:42pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Some say ardern is a liar and others say she’s kind. Never seen “kind” moderated ?
    
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    June 29, 2020 4:54pm
Saks

I just listened to Todd Muller on magic talk. He categorically ruled out any new taxes or tax increases.

He spoke really well. Gave calm thoughtful answers and appears that he has half a clue how to get the country going forward again.

Very refreshing to not hear a single ah or um and a complete lack of bullshit business talk (catch phrases) or spin.

I wasn’t convinced he had the goods but looks promising. If the media give him a fair go in the debate’s, he will destroy her.

Although it’s unlikely that common sense and logic will win over many labour/green voters…
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June 29, 2020 11:14am
- Pharmachick
  
  “Although it’s unlikely that common sense and logic will win over many labour/green voters…”
  
  Dunno about that. Kiwis are a pragmatic bunch [yes, I know, sweeping generalization alert]. I think that a party that can demonstrate concrete ability to pull NZ out of economic disaster without mortgaging our grandchildrens’ futures could probably sway the odd voter that went off National last time because [insert reason here: fatigue, 3rd term arrogance, fairy dust etc].
  
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  June 29, 2020 2:00pm
Captain Mainwaring

Cause of the Karachi plane crash revealed.
Apparently he tried to land with the undercarriage retracted, engines hit the runway but he was able to get it back in the air. Went around for a second attempt but the engines were so badly damaged they gave out before he reached the airport.
A third of Pakistani pilots have illegal licenses, obtained by bribing the officials.
The joys of the third world eh?
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June 29, 2020 11:52am
- kowtow
  
  Same country’s PM recently said that Osama Bin Laden was “martyred”.
  
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  June 29, 2020 12:06pm
- Nickc2
  
  Third world? Hey, what about drivers licenses in NZ. I was at a Testing Station a few days ago doing a WOF and there were immigrants there doing the ‘knowledge test’ for their licenses and they were all clustered around the computer speaking in their native tongue and the woman in charge told them to go and sit down whereby none of them did and they continued until all of them had done their knowledge test. How can that be a legally passed knowledge test FFS. NZ corruption free, my arse! It did cross my mind as to how many of them flicked some coin to the tester taking them for their practical test? If that was the case, you can betcha the coin wasn’t lodged as income on the tester’s IRD return. A rather lucrative business to say the least.
  
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  June 29, 2020 12:36pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  My partner reckons it’s a bit like the Indian students that come here. Over a third of them pay someone to sit their exams 🙁
  
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  June 29, 2020 12:37pm
  - Albert_Ross
    
    Evidence?
    
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    June 29, 2020 1:54pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      https://i.imgflip.com/46ng1u.jpg
      
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      June 29, 2020 2:16pm
      - Tall Man
        
        That’s a nice photo of your partner ?
        
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        June 29, 2020 4:51pm
- Lance
  
  I saw that air-crash commentators were releasing cellphone images of the damaged engines in flight a few hours after the crash.
  The question being “how the hell can you NOT pick up that the landing gear is up when the aircraft would have been screaming at them.
  Hard to imagine, unless they were grossly incompetent and overwhelmed with information they didn’t understand.
  
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  June 29, 2020 4:57pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Must have thought he was in a boat
  
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  June 29, 2020 8:51pm
surfing

Leave racist New Zealand, if you can’t afford private health insurance….

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12343599
“Auckland DHB will test ways of prioritising Māori and Pacific patients to “substantively cut waiting times” for some surgeries”

The article is patheticly one-sided, it only mentions the positives and the maori experts who think this is great.

How about non-maori who get pushed off waiting lists? No mention of those poor souls! But, black lives matter.
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June 29, 2020 12:05pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  How about Judical intervention?
  A Public Hospital cannot base triage on skin colour, tribal affiliations or what have you. Citizenship rights require equality for all citizens.
  
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  June 29, 2020 2:46pm
greenfinger

When asked about Green’s “ginormous-look-at-me” wealth and income tax policy, Ardern said “It is much easier to calculate, with some level of certainty, money going out the door. It is much more difficult to make assumptions around tax revenue…”. That says it all about Labour. They always spend first and figure out how to pay for it later. Make no mistake, Ardern is just a wolf in sheep’s clothing. These two parties are peas in the same pod. She Is gunning for massive tax and debt increases. Those that vote for Ardern and the Greens thinks they are unaffected because they are in low tax brackets. Perhaps they deserve to stay poor and go to Ardern and Greens with cap-in-hand for the rest of your life. The rich ones will be on the first flight out to Australia when the border opens up. Guess who is left to pay for all Ardern’s and the Greens‘ tax and spend policies? Tax the poor and pay the poorer!
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June 29, 2020 12:07pm
- Paulus
  
  Why are the IRD NOT collecting money owed to US on those outstanding debts of people returning from overseas ?
  
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  June 29, 2020 1:54pm
  - Two bob
    
    jacinda didnt want a bar of it when hoskings asked her.
    imo if theyve been overseas and not paying then they should be red flagged and not allowed to leave untill paid in full. I would hope a majority of SL debtors have been paying interest and minimum payments while abroad but there should be zero tolerance to defaulters no matter how much is left owing.
    
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    June 29, 2020 5:59pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Guess who is left to pay for all Ardern’s and the Greens‘ tax
  
  Widows
  
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  June 29, 2020 1:56pm
MCos

How Mr Woodhouse found out about ‘homeless man’ from a reliable source.
https://twitter.com/cctv_idiots/status/1277155684598132738?s=21
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June 29, 2020 12:26pm
- Tall Man
  
  And ardern learned border control from her mates in London.
  
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  June 29, 2020 4:48pm
surfing

Hosking has been asking what the long term covid plan might be.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12343783

I’ve been asking the same question since the start of the lockdown — so what if we eliminate the virus, what then?

No one has been able to answer me because everyone is so fixated on the short term goal.

Ultimately it appears every country is going to end up taking a similar path as Sweden, more or less. The game changer would be a vaccine — but, this is wishful thinking — it took 30 years to come up with a treatment for HIV… covid could be the same.
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June 29, 2020 12:39pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  Yep, and there is still no vaccine for HIV…
  
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  June 29, 2020 1:16pm
  - cmm
    
    There is a bit of a difference in that, generally, you need to go out of your way to get an HIV infection.
    
    But yes, the common cold (multiple strains) are forms of coronavirus. They have been extremely resistance to vaccines. Why should this coronavirus be any easier?
    
    Ultimately there is no point in saving people form CV19 if they were about to die of the co-morbidities anyway.
    
    Spending $140bn to “save” people from CV19 just to have them knocked over by something else as dumb as putting all your effort into just looking for red cars when you cross the road.
    
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    June 29, 2020 1:41pm
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      The hemophiliacs who contracted HIV from blood did not go out of their way to get an infection…
      
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      June 29, 2020 3:27pm
      - Tall Man
        
        If you don’t think multiple blood or plasma transfusions aren’t out of the ordinary you must have a very exciting life.
        
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        June 29, 2020 4:46pm
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        Tall Man, I’m a medic.
        
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        June 29, 2020 6:46pm
      - Tall Man
        
        I think the vast majority of people would not see regular blood transfusions as normal …. and they’re not, medic or not 🙂
        
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        June 29, 2020 7:18pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      Actually it is estimated that only around 30% of colds are caused by Beta Corona Viruses, related to CV-19, the rest by mostly rhinoviruses with 5-10% by adenoviruses.
      
      Rhinoviruses use a similar sort of segment swapping that the Influenza virus does, and so they hyper-mutate With already “tested” genes. BCV’s don’t (typically) segment swap; being RNA viruses they mutate quite quickly, but need to “search” the solution space to find non-deleterious mutations in key proteins, hence form new varieties at a much slower rate.
      
      HIV is a bit of a special case in that its primary target are cells in the immune system itself, and I think that this is one of the factors complicating the search for a vaccine. But it may be that the coat proteins exhibited by HIV simply don’t election a sufficiently robust immune response to enable a vaccine.
      
      As far as I know at least some of the candidate vaccines appear to election a suitable immune system response from the CV-19 S (spike) protein, which is promising but testing and checking will take time.
      
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      June 29, 2020 10:45pm
- alex Masterley
  
  The plan is a “make it up as you go along plan”.
  Albsolutley no prior proper preparation.
  
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  June 29, 2020 1:22pm
- cmm
  
  ” so what if we eliminate the virus, what then? ”
  
  #CinD4UN!
  
  Does anything else matter?
  
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  June 29, 2020 1:42pm
- Pharmachick
  
  Actually the first drug for HIV was approved by FDA in 1984 (Zidovudine/AZT).
  
  Subsequently there are multiple, multiple drugs and the HAART regimen has made the disease a chronic problem and not a killer (at least in the developed world).
  
  However, despite the trillions of $ spent, no vaccine in sight… (disclaimer: drugs are my profession so there’s probably inherent bias there, even so; I’d give my left arm for a vaccine).
  
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  June 29, 2020 2:10pm
- doggone7
  
  Hosking wanted NZ to do exactly what Sweden was doing. Hosking wanted NZ to do exactly what Australia was doing.
  
  Hosking wants the border opened. Yeah, let’s go the whole hog, move to Level <0 immediately.
  
  Then the instant someone comes in from overseas and infects others Hosking will have another chance to share his wisdom with us.
  
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  June 29, 2020 3:57pm
RJ

Oh my, what could of caused the rise in Covid cases in the USA, it will forever be one of those black moments in history that no one will ever work out

Mysterious COVID-19 Spike

Link
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June 29, 2020 12:53pm
- kwkiwigirl
  
  Yes not hearing any media commentator linking the BLM protests with covid spike. Too shit scared to go there. Also listening to doctors over there who are observing that the spike in cases in the US is in 20-30 year olds, all of a sudden…
  
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  June 29, 2020 1:33pm
Maggie Pie

I’ve just ordered my very first ‘Oodie’ from Oz.
Incredibly, they’re saying 5 weeks delivery due to the back-load of orders!
(beware of knock-offs…shoppers in the supermarket are likely to call you out 🙁 )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJvBPaOmxWg
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June 29, 2020 1:06pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Bet you won’t be able to keep your partner out of it.
  
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  June 29, 2020 2:00pm
Jack5

Stuff’s new look is quite tidy, but it’s lipstick on a pig. Still threaded with Woke, Leftist, anti-white crap such as Florence Kerr’s campaign to Maorify Hamilton.

There’s also disturbing evidence of the link with Radio NZ – the prospect of a Soviet scale State media giant bridging TV, radio, print, and internet.
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June 29, 2020 1:10pm
- RJ
  
  Just had a look, what surprises me is that businesses like this still have the paid content which is basically just links to junk sites that I hope people don’t visit and use an Adblock to avoid seeing on stuff.
  
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  June 29, 2020 1:43pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  More like mascara on a dung beetle.
  
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  June 29, 2020 6:47pm
lifesgood

I read somewhere that a country overseas has developed water with a skunk smell to spray from a water canon. Sorry, can’t remember which country. Yes, please! Seems ideal for spraying these useless layabouts trying to vandalise our statues and property.
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June 29, 2020 1:18pm
- cmm
  
  That was Israel.
  
  Similar stuff has been used elsewhere, eg a mix of ammonia and water.
  
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  June 29, 2020 1:35pm
- emmess
  
  Wouldn’t be able to smell the difference though
  
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  June 29, 2020 1:36pm
- Nickc2
  
  They are all immune to it, they sit next to each other in university lecture halls.
  
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  June 29, 2020 1:37pm
RJ

I don’t know I just think when you release someone maybe get their contact details and the address they will staying at. Can’t supply that then either don’t let them out or take them back to the airport and put them on a plane to wherever they came from

Also there is talk doing the rounds that the people in isolation in Rotorua are not people returning to the country but refugees. Hmmmmm

There are still 367 people who the Ministry of Health is having trouble getting in touch with. Director-general of health Dr Ashley Bloomfield made a fresh appeal for these people to get in touch with authorities.

Of the uncontacted travellers, Bloomfield said there was an obligation for them to make contact with Healthline. “We just need to remind everybody, everyone has a role to play. They need to do their part.”

Article
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June 29, 2020 1:48pm
- MCos
  
  I’m sure they did supply contact details.
  Doesn’t mean to say they were correct.
  Quite clearly these people should have been tested before they left managed isolation, but they weren’t so it’s on to Plan C. (Plan B has been purloined for other purposes).
  There’s no use crying over spilt milk.
  However there’s a mess to cleaned up.
  One of the problems is we’re in a society where for some people it’s everyone for themselves. There are people who believe their individual rights are more important than civic responsibility. They will do the bear minimum to comply with the law.
  I thought about that the other day with Novak Djokovic who organized tennis tournaments in Serbia & Croatia and a number of people contracted COVID-19. He apparently followed the letter of the law, but ignored common sense.
  You can blame the ‘authorities’ when things go wrong, but sometimes personal responsibility is required for civil society to function.
  
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  June 29, 2020 3:41pm
- kwkiwigirl
  
  Well that’s not good to hear re the refugees in Rotorua. I guess Cindy sees them as a good source of voters down the track.
  
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  June 29, 2020 11:48pm
Maggie Pie

It was a bit quiet in the office so my partner decided to come home early. And he’s fuming!!

He heard a few callers to Sean Plunkett talking about the proposed CGT being touted by the Greens.
Like he just said, “Name one thing, one f**ing thing, that useless prik James Shaw has ever done for people like us since he got his horrible head into Parliament? Other than wanting to pander to every broken-arse in the country, go on, name one thing!”

I’m just heading out to get another pkt of Panadol 🙁
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June 29, 2020 1:56pm
SB2

Time for Tony Stuart and other Nat toadies to own up and apologise,

“Paul Goldsmith admits to blunder in criticism of Green Party’s pledge”

National Party finance spokesperson Paul Goldsmith has admitted to getting his facts wrong in a media release critical of the Green Party’s pledge to transform the welfare system.

Yesterday, the Green Party unveiled its election promise to tackle poverty and ensure a payment of at least $325 a week for anyone not in full time work, financed by taxing the wealthy more.
The policy proposed taxing those who had a net wealth of more than $1m or $2m at 1 percent and 2 percent, respectively, on money that was over and above that amount.
Goldsmith subsequently put out a release stating that a wealth tax would be “particularly severe”. In it, he used the example of a business owner who had a house worth $1 million and a business worth $1m paying “$40,000 a year for the 2 percent wealth tax”.
However, the policy outlined that taxing would only occur on wealth that was over the $1m threshold, and would also take into consideration mortgages as well as shared ownership.
Goldsmith defended himself on Morning Report, saying the policy was vague on the thresholds.
“Right at the very bottom [of the documents], there was a table that made the point that what they’re talking about is a tax of over $1 million.
“I quite frankly admit I got it wrong … but when you look at the details in the press statement and all the policy documents it’s not clear as to where the threshold came through.
“I was moving in a fast-paced environment, trying to respond…..”

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/420066/paul-goldsmith-admits-to-blunder-in-criticism-of-green-party-s-pledge
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June 29, 2020 2:01pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Why the hell should I apologise for something someone else said Stephie? Goldsmith has admitted he made a mistake, which is a damn sight more than anyone on the Left ever does.
  
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  June 29, 2020 2:11pm
  - Swifty
    
    Hear, hear.
    
    Labour MPs NEVER apologise unless they’ve, unsucessfully, run all other plays first.
    
    Good on Goldsmith. That’s leadership.
    
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    June 29, 2020 2:17pm
    - SB2
      
      Or ineptitude if was say Robertson!
      
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      June 29, 2020 2:36pm
      - Swifty
        
        Well, to be fair, he generally is.
        
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        June 29, 2020 3:22pm
  - RJ
    
    Far more than the above poster has ever done as well
    
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    June 29, 2020 2:27pm
  - SB2
    
    Tony Stuart ,deflection!
    
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    June 29, 2020 2:36pm
    - stigie
      
      [Mod: let’s not sink to that level of discourse, shall we?]
      
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      June 29, 2020 3:37pm
SB2

Florida, Texas and Arizona (all Republican Governors )now the epicentre of US Covid virus outbreaks,

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/06/28/coronavirus-live-updates-us/

How does this happen?
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June 29, 2020 2:44pm
- Ed Snack
  
  Haha haha, believing something in the WaPo. Next you’ll be all in that it was the Russians, they planned it and Trump carried it out !
  
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  June 29, 2020 10:51pm
Biscuit

Why did the chicken cross the road?

Donald Trump: I’ve been told by many sources, good sources – they’re very good sources – that the chicken crossed the road. All the Fake News wants to do is write nasty things about the road, but it’s a really good road. It’s a beautiful road. Everyone knows how beautiful it is.

Joe Biden: Why did the chicken do the . . . thing in the . . . you know the rest.

Hillary Clinton: What difference at this point does it make why the chicken crossed the road.

George W. Bush: We don’t really care why the chicken crossed the road. We just want to know if the chicken is on our side of the road or not. The chicken is either with us or against us. There is no middle ground here.

Dick Cheney: Where’s my gun?

Bill Clinton: I did not cross the road with that chicken.

Dr Seuss: Did the chicken cross the road? Did he cross it with a toad? Yes, the chicken crossed the road, but why it crossed I’ve not been told.

Ernest Hemingway: To die in the rain. Alone.

Albert Einstein: Did the chicken really cross the road, or did the road move beneath the chicken?

Colonel Sanders: Did I miss one?

Jacinda Ardern: Look, the Director-General of Health assured me the border by the road was gold standard. He’s not my BFF anymore. It’s not my fault that Dr Bloomfield was factually inaccurate and that this chicken was overlooked. Or that I didn’t have a Minister of Health who made it his job to check such statements. I can accept no responsibility. Did you see the cake I made Neve today?
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June 29, 2020 3:18pm
Maggie Pie

Are there many others like me, that whenever you come across a fabulous looking recipe that you would really like to make, if the first two words are ‘gluten free’, you immediately move on?
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June 29, 2020 3:36pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Try finding some gluten balls in Gizzy!!!
  
  https://thewoksoflife.com/chinese-fried-gluten-balls-stuffed/
  
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  June 29, 2020 5:10pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Goodness Maggs, can u believe how complicated that recipe is?!
    Got to the part where it said something about, “….poke meat in hole until fully stuffed”.
    That’s when my eyes started to glaze over.
    
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    June 29, 2020 6:47pm
    - Tauhei Notts
      
      To be fair, though. Red meat is so expensive in countries other than N.Z. and foreign cooks know how to make a pound of mince work to the max. N.Z. cooks lack that imagination.
      
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      June 29, 2020 7:47pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Are ‘money bags’ a substitute?
    
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    June 29, 2020 8:44pm
- Fletch
  
  Gluten-free mostly means, ‘free of anything that tastes good’…
  
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  June 29, 2020 8:48pm
RJ

An important watch. Tell me again why we should defund the police?

Child sex trafficking expose’ documentary, Contraland, filmed by the Veterans of non-profit organization Veterans For Child Rescue. V4CR exposes the multi-billion dollar industry of child sex trafficking, alerting the populace on the epidemic and how you can empower and safeguard all children.

ContraLand
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June 29, 2020 6:36pm
kwkiwigirl

I see Ardern’s come out and warned people not to travel overseas or else they will be charged for 3 days of quarantine. She really doesn’t get it does she.
The problem is NZ passport holders who haven’t paid into the system for several years now all fleeing back to NZ and getting off not having to pay any quarantine costs. It’s not people choosing to go away now. Never was.
You can see she’s going to duck for cover on this and not charge all these free loading passport holders for quarantine costs.
I can see her government using up all the $300m they’ve set aside to do this quarantine and then increasing the amount spent. As a long term tax payer I’m not wanting to subsidise long departed NZers who are now wanting to shelter in NZ.
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June 29, 2020 7:01pm
Prince

Two years ago I cancelled my sub to the Dom/Post, being sick of the leftie drivel being peddled under numerous ‘Opinion’ banners.
The worst was a weekly column by Jane Bowron, which could reliably be summed up in four words, every week:
Labour Good, National Bad.
A week ago I got a call from a lovely lady offering me a large discount to return. When I said why I left and asked if the editorial stance had changed, and if Bowron was still on the payroll, I was assured there was a new editor. And after checking twice, the lovely lady assured me they had no opinion writer call Jane Bowron. I succumbed on that basis.
Received my copy of the Dompost this morning – turned to the editorial and opinion page, which contained, among other left-leaning articles, the following:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/121953152/the-shifting-sands-for-ardern-heading-into-the-election
Just a few ‘gems’ (warning, content may cause nausea).

For weeks and months, Jacinda & Ashley (Jashley), with their daily debriefs were admired and adored throughout the land.
The duo’s winning combo had woven themselves into our cultural fabric
With a superstar political leader at the helm, New Zealand has enjoyed the admiration of those living in countries that didn’t go hard or early and are now swamped in infection.
As the world order reshapes, those disillusioned with democracies have looked to New Zealand and the leadership style of Ardern.
Jacinda, the great communicator and emoter, has an established international brand recognition, which will be needed for the economic recovery.
Todd Muller, a Johnny-come-lately to kindness and compassion, is an untried copycat and a dull alternative.

Needless to say a swift call to the Dompost, a reprimand for lying to me, and a cancellation followed.
But seriously, how could any editor justify a columnist who is so obviously one-eyed, for over ten years. Note there are no opinion writers there offering an alternative view.
I live for the day the Dompost folds. If any Kiwiblog reader subscribes, I beg you to cancel and make your reasons known.
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June 29, 2020 7:16pm
- kwkiwigirl
  
  I’m with you Prince and did the same cancelling my sub, except for Saturday’s which I get solely to read the property section. That section of that article you quoted is hilarious!
  It’s a shame Dompost just don’t set up a paywall and put their money where their mouth is and see how they go. Now that would be interesting.
  
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  June 29, 2020 11:56pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Was this part of the original information source for NZ for the Govt?
2.48 gets interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYPyJ_z8b44&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR1mYTgLNyNLITb0d0a3mMIksdOSCOctG7134CNwjijobAWClxEmffd4dSc
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June 29, 2020 8:32pm
RJ

The dirty games have begun.

The America’s Cup defender Team New Zealand has axed a contractor, after secrets were allegedly leaked from its Auckland base over a period of months.

The team said it was not sure what secrets were out, but the unnamed contractor had access throughout its waterfront headquarters.

“We’re flabbergasted,” said Grant Dalton, the team’s managing director.

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June 29, 2020 8:32pm
expat

So Cindy says “You actually have a choice on whether you leave or not,” she said. wrt. going on Holiday or returning to NZ.

Well if you’ve been off shore and haven’t got back to NZ when the whole **** world was telling its citizens to get back to where they wanted to be during a pandemic surely there is a binary Q upon return:

Did you choose to remain or be outside of NZ post 31 March 2020? (and have some supporting evidence).

1. YES – $2000
2. NO – OK
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