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krazykiwi

Lenin, from 1917 to 1924:
– More than a million people murdered for political or religious reasons.
– Between 300,000 and 500,000 Cossacks killed.
– Hundreds of thousands of workers and peasants killed for striking.
– 240,000 killed in the suppression of the Tambov rebellion.
– More than 50,000 white prisoners of war executed.
– Between 3.9 million and 7.75 million deaths from famines among Russians, Kazakhs and Tatars.

The Cheka (his thugs) killed people by bullet, skinning the flesh from their bodies, burying them alive, burning them, having them ingest molten lead.

But not such a bad chap. Recently a new statue of him has been unveiled.

“The time for monuments to racists, anti-Semites, fascists, anti-communists and other relics of the past has clearly passed,” declared Marxist-Leninist Party of Germany (MLPD) chairwoman Gabi Fechtner in a triumphant statement.
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June 24, 2020 8:01am
- Jacinda Ardhern
  
  Oh goody! Where do I sign up?
  
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  June 24, 2020 8:08am
- Inandout
  
  krazy, communist activities such as this led to the rise of Hitler fascist-socialism.
  
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  June 24, 2020 8:40am
- Thought Criminal
  
  Communism/socialism kills. Never forget. Never let them forget as they try to “get it right this time” with your money.
  
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  June 24, 2020 8:55am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  And Lenin was Mr goody goody compared with “So what if I have wiped out a generation” Stalin.
  Interesting aspect is all along the Trans Siberian there are still statutes of Lenin in every town square, but yet to see one of Stalin anywhere in Russia.
  This statement sums it up from a tour guide.
  “Pointing to the KGB headquarters, she said.
  “In the basement of this building, you can clearly see the green grass and snow of Siberia.”
  If you wish for this, be prepared for the consequences.
  
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  June 24, 2020 9:06am
- Brian Marshall
  
  And a director on the board of the university of British Columbia was sacked for liking tweets by US President Donald Trump and some critical of the Black Lives Matters protests. The slow march through the halls of academia has Taken over. https://www.rebelnews.com/fired_for_liking_trump_tweets_michael_korenberg_the_chairman_of_university_of_british_columbia
  
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  June 24, 2020 9:20am
  - Pharmachick
    
    Korenberg shouldn’t have been messing around on twatter. People in such positions can ill afford the type of stuff ups that twatter lends itself to.
    
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    June 24, 2020 10:01am
    - Pharmachick
      
      I should note that (1) twatter is also the home of professional outrage and activism echo chambers, so probably best to stay away and (2) I think his speech should be protected unless it’s incitement to violence (like US 1st amendment).
      
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      June 24, 2020 10:06am
CJames

See someone got off serious drunk driving charges because lawyers wouldn’t answer the phone.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12342349
If cops had have been at fault, the courts would have hung them out to dry. As it was lawyers, it was just accepted. Talk about justice for all.
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June 24, 2020 8:03am
- peterwn
  
  The irony is that all the lawyer can do is advise the client to go through with the Police procedures. A printed card with the driver’s rights should me handed to the driver (the content of the card being in a schedule in the Land Transport Act) should really suffice. If the driver is too drunk to understand it, that would be the driver’s problem.
  A way out of the problem would be for the Police to say ‘you are not being detained, Sir, but if you do not cooperate, your driving licence is immediately suspended and you will be charged with declining to give a test. You are free to go at any time’.
  The Act may need a bit of a tweak to make it clear that this procedure can be used. It is all about road safety, it is not a game of tiddlywinks.
  This issue came about because the Canadian courts gave a similar judgment and the NZ courts followed suit.
  It is almost as farcical as the America cop comedy show years ago where the cops had to immediately gag offenders to stop them immediately confessing. A judge was letting them off because they did not have a chance to see a lawyer who would advise them to ‘take the Fifth’.
  
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  June 24, 2020 9:21am
- Brian Marshall
  
  That is seriously a stupid decision by the judge or judges. I wouldn’t wish the appeals court judges getting killed by a drunk driver, but if it happened, I’d probably not shed a tear for them after that judgement.
  
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  June 24, 2020 9:25am
- freethinker
  
  C James –
  Check this one out $175,000 of taxpayers $ paid out due to Crown prosecutor and Police stuff ups – will any one be held to account or even told off????????
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12342430
  
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  June 24, 2020 10:50am
- thirteenstars
  
  Kerr’s rights were breached. You have the right under the Bill of Rights to consult a lawyer.
  
  It was not the police officer’s fault but neither was it Kerr’s. It was the fault of the Justice Department PDLA system that didn’t employ rostered lawyers which would guarantee a lawyer was on hand to answer calls.
  
  It is correct that convictions like this are quashed since it makes the authorities at fault address the shortcomings in procedures. It is not for the person arrested or the police officer (in this case) to suffer consequences since they did what was required of them.
  
  To not quash Kerr’s conviction would be to allow a precedent where if a lawyer was not found for the arrested person the police could continue with their attempts to question and charge the person without that person having the opportunity to get legal advice. That is a violation of the NZ Bill of Rights, Sec. 23.
  
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  June 24, 2020 11:00am
Two bob

I wonder how much influence Helen Clark has on Jacinda? I see Helens calling for ubi to be introduced… to solve loneliness.

is there anything socialists dont think throwing large sums of other ppls money at wont fix?
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June 24, 2020 8:04am
- Blackbob
  
  Hellen should feature on the next series of “What we do in the shadows”
  
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  June 24, 2020 8:31am
  - DRHILL
    
    I saw in the Am Show a rep from the Helen Clark Foundation.
    Does everyone working for the foundation need to look like Helen?
    
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    June 24, 2020 9:02am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Yes, did you also note Ms Walker was signaling that she belongs to woke virtue signaling brigade. I refer to the chunk of Maori art hanging around her neck.
      
      In recent weeks, I’ve been on any number of webinars/video conference calls etc, and “to show” you are part of the club, it appears to be important that you must have a large piece of Maori jewelry around your neck.
      
      Is this not cultural appropriation by whitey?
      
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      June 24, 2020 9:42am
      - Tauhei Notts
        
        I bought a lovely greenstone piece from a Maori bloke at the north end of Hokitika some years ago. He told me he was originally from Ngaruawahia, so I asked if he had to pay Ngai Tahu a royalty for what he pulled out of the Arahura River. His response was priceless;
        “I suppose so but those cnuts can go and stuffed.”
        I will make an effort to wear it in the future. It might help me get my snout in the taxpayers’ trough. That Tainui man was not dyslexic, it is just that I find the correct spelling to be contemptible.
        
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        June 24, 2020 2:38pm
  - stigie
    
    “What we do in the shadows”
    
    The Professor would feature quite well in that series..?
    
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    June 24, 2020 10:13am
- KevO'Brien
  
  What does Helen know about economics to advocate for a UBI? We already have something close to a means tested version of that anyway. The present benefit system is well bedded in. No system is perfect but a de novo UBI would just be re-start on trying to get the equities allocated once again. It is much easier to remove our present system’s warts.
  
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  June 24, 2020 1:57pm
Tricati

Kate Hawkesby asks why is Minister of Housing now in charge of the covid 19 response.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12342392
Megan Woods is very adapt at the dark arts of ‘dirty politics, and given this saga is a total ballsup, they need to get deflection and obfuscation now and she is the best labour have. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/121923893/housing-minister-megan-woods-hits-back-at-national-party-over-alleged-homeless-man-isolation-breach
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June 24, 2020 8:09am
- Happychappy
  
  And this is one of the idiots that Jacinda Ardern another Coalition of misfits take their expert advice from.
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/06/siouxsie-wiles-defends-government-s-decision-not-to-test-for-covid-19-at-border.html
  
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  June 24, 2020 9:41am
  - Two bob
    
    someone needs to make a video montage of the pink one on all covid related crap shes spurted, it was all doom and gloom we arent doing enough we need to be stricter then overnight its not bad dont worry.
    
    shes just a yes man (well woman) and seeks attention and media as much as her idol pm
    
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    June 24, 2020 1:17pm
Maggie Pie

Does anyone else get the feeling New Zealand might actually be in really deep sh*t?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbJMKm3UwAAnw2m?format=jpg&name=900×900
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June 24, 2020 8:12am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  MP – I’ve had that feeling for months already, just uncertain about the final depth of the feculence to come.
  
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  June 24, 2020 8:19am
  - Paulus
    
    It didn’t happen with Virus – it was long before when it all turned to custard.
    
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    June 24, 2020 8:43am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Started when Ardern was chosen
      
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      June 24, 2020 9:02am
    - igm
      
      It occurred the moment Peter’s selected Ardern, appeasing his hatred of National, because they arsed him out and would not play his nasty childish games!
      
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      June 24, 2020 9:06am
- G152
  
  Happened the day after the coalition was formed.
  Good to see people are catching up
  
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  June 24, 2020 8:31am
- Simon
  
  What NZ the hermit nation run by authoritarian nut jobs and economic cretins?
  
  It’ll be fine.
  
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  June 24, 2020 8:49am
  - kwkiwigirl
    
    Agree that opening the borders will be difficult.
    
    But at the moment every man and his dog wants to be in Nz at the moment. Even people with tenuous links like temp work visas are trying to demand the same rights as fully fledged Nz passport holders.
    
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    June 24, 2020 9:58am
- aquataur
  
  Looks like she is just about to go down on something
  
  A pie?
  
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  June 24, 2020 8:52am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Always blow on the pie
    
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    June 24, 2020 9:03am
    - peterwn
      
      Safer Communities Together.
      
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      June 24, 2020 9:23am
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        All Pastries Matter
        
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        June 24, 2020 10:02am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Maggie, Sadly you are right, along with the rest of the world.
  It will be now a real test of fortitude and skill to see how NZ can exit this.
  PS. It won’t happen with hugs and great feelings, the economy just doesn’t do these.
  As in Victoria, you get what you vote for, the other half in the case of NZ have to live with the consequences.
  
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  June 24, 2020 9:12am
- RJ
  
  Those clowns you used to try put the ball in at the Easter show used to scare the shit out of me as a kid. That photo is bringing back nightmares.
  
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  June 24, 2020 9:31am
- Nickc2
  
  “Kermy where are you?”
  (fyi, Kermy as in Muppets)
  
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  June 24, 2020 9:58am
- yossarian
  
  Arrived at work today. Meetings all day, and 8 redundancies coming out of a staff total of 24. Yep a 3rd of our jobs gone due to the lockdown.
  
  This shit is getting real ladies and gentlemen
  
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  June 24, 2020 12:51pm
  - Two bob
    
    at least you still had work after lockdown, I got 3 days in then byebye dont need you touch base in a few months.
    
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    June 24, 2020 1:18pm
Swifty

China shows its real side to the University of Queensland:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12342391

The Chinese Communist Party is a dangerous gang with poisonous tentacles all around the world – lookout if you speak against them.
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June 24, 2020 8:17am
- Two bob
  
  plenty of those loyal ccp pricks in nz too. guess theyre here to show us the ropes and teach us how to be compliant communists?
  
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  June 24, 2020 8:49am
- Simon
  
  Yep and the CCP have been bribing the vatican with $2 billion pa while the CCP have been destroying Churchs and arresting religious leaders.
  
  How many in NZ have been bribed by the CCP?
  
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  June 24, 2020 8:54am
  - Two bob
    
    both major political parties and a few smaller ones, almost every council (prob 100% actually)
    Most universities and well fucking near anything else that involves money politics and resourses
    
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    June 24, 2020 9:16am
    - Tall Man
      
      That’s ridiculous.
      
      Why would they bother?
      
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      June 24, 2020 9:58am
    - oldfella
      
      Remember: ‘Don’t trust China. China is asshole!’
      
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      June 24, 2020 10:15am
- kwkiwigirl
  
  I don’t think Muller’s policy that we should let international students in under managed quarantine will resonate with voters. Most voters, even right leaning ones, do not have that high on their priority list.
  
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  June 24, 2020 10:02am
Tony Stuart

So Megan Woods hasn’t yet been able to find out how many people left quarantine without Covid-19 tests, but she’s had time to write to Michael Woodhouse demanding he reveal the source of the allegations about Homeless Guy.

Megan Woods is also Labour’s campaign director for the upcoming election. Isn’t that an interesting coincidence? She’s more motivated to besmirch the reputation of a political opponent than to answer a genuine question which could have major consequences for both our health and our economy.
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June 24, 2020 8:18am
- raven
  
  I think she knows, as does Adern and Bloomfield. The untested number is too high to spindoctor though and as no one wants to take the blame they’re just not answering the question. Sign of poor management and weak leadership.
  
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  June 24, 2020 8:36am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    If Woods does in fact know, then she misled Parliament yesterday when she claimed she did not have the information.
    
    https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/document/HansS_20200623_050940000/4-question-no-4-housing
    
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    June 24, 2020 9:13am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Worse than admitting the number: not damn well knowing that important number!
      
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      June 24, 2020 10:38am
    - burt
      
      And what is the punishment for misleading parliament….
      
      Way back in the day it use to be serious but the Clark/Cullen government set a precedent when Winston was proven to have misled the public and parliament by giving him no punishment over and above making him re-file his misleading returns.
      
      We use to call the privileges committee the highest court in the land – now it’s just a farce.
      
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      June 24, 2020 4:27pm
  - DeepBlue
    
    51/55 untested
    
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    June 24, 2020 9:27am
    - burt
      
      At least Trump was honest about not testing so they stopped finding cases – our dear leaders have stopped testing while telling us they were.
      
      What is better – an idiot who tells you the truth or an idiot that lies to you?
      
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      June 24, 2020 4:30pm
- MCos
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Michael Woodhouse didn’t ask a genuine question. He spread an unsubstantiated rumour that insinuated any old hobo pushing their belongings in a shopping cart could breach the quarantine security because ‘homeless’ is code for someone like that in NatSpeak.
  Why did he do it when there’s plenty of other ammunition to hit the government over the quarantine troubles?
  
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  June 24, 2020 8:40am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Did Trevor Mallard ever substantiate his allegation about National’s “American bagman” all those years ago?
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10337231
    
    Ironically, the man Mallard accused, Julian Robertson, later donated $115m worth or precious artworks to his adopted country.
    
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    June 24, 2020 9:08am
    - sooty
      
      How do you spend 500 thou on a slide Trev?
      Are you the bagman?
      
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      June 24, 2020 1:07pm
      - Batman
        
        And they didn’t even have to pay a council consent fees etc, since Parliament grounds is sovereign.
        
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        June 24, 2020 1:22pm
- oldpark
  
  Was she in charge of running Labours’ infamous Picnic last year, where everything was up for grabs. Maybe her wanting to be a super sleuth probably had all the answers . Perhaps National could revist that damning Picnic,and ask Megan Woods to Investigate or even reveal the culprit or the truth. Just saying .
  Maybe even Michael Woodhouse could write to her on a chat for chat request . Go figure that one .
  
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  June 24, 2020 8:49am
- Jules99
  
  It’s the classic ‘hold the other side to higher standards than you hold yourself’ manoeuvre out of the left wing playbook.
  
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  June 24, 2020 8:54am
- kowtow
  
  ‘Megan Woods is also Labour’s campaign director for the upcoming election’
  
  I hope they won’t be using any “fossil fuel” powered vehicles to get around.
  
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  June 24, 2020 9:10am
  - sooty
    
    Was it her in the crown limo, hooning it?
    
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    June 24, 2020 1:08pm
  - Paulus
    
    Tubby is also being talked about as Cindy’s successor – via Press gallery persons.
    Grant not at the real Labour Party however.
    
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    June 24, 2020 1:45pm
- Nickc2
  
  Ask her to name the kiddy fiddler in the Labour Party Youth Summer Camp and the molester of women in the PM’s office.
  
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  June 24, 2020 10:06am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Of course they already know the answer but the public will not like it so its not being released. Apparently of 55 people released only 4 were tested (two on the day they were leaving so no result when they left!).
  Therefore estimate of the 2,159 people left quarantine between June 9th & 16th, 2,159*51/55 = approx 2,002 people not tested
  
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  June 24, 2020 11:07am
gravedodger

@ Maggie Pie
Is she singing and it is all over or is that a gastric pain, such things can be triggered by Pastry.
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June 24, 2020 8:19am
MCos

A great article about Thai fruit including this standout quote

“Americans say they hate the smell of durian,” she said. “I don’t understand. It is sweet love.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/22/world/asia/bangkok-thailand-fruit-durian.html?referringSource=articleShare
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June 24, 2020 8:21am
- Random T Person
  
  Only Thai fruit I’m familiar with is your garden variety ladyboy.
  
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  June 24, 2020 8:47am
  - MCos
    
    How did it go?
    
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    June 24, 2020 9:40am
    - Random T Person
      
      I just felt a little prick, other than that, painless.
      
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      June 24, 2020 10:27am
  - hullkiwi
    
    That reminds me of a joke I saw on one of those campervan.
    
    As a man, I have to be careful how I walk through a turnstile, else I will Bang***k.
    
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    June 24, 2020 9:46am
- krazykiwi
  
  Call me american then. Durian STINKS. You are forbidden from carrying these fruit on the Singapore and Bangkok underground, and many hotels have special venting units in kitchens where durian is prepared. Oddly enough, it is quite tasty. I recommend durian pancakes…. just don’t be nearby when they’re being cooked!
  
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  June 24, 2020 9:28am
  - lifesgood
    
    Smells like vomit, feels like vomit in your mouth…slimy stuff, but, yeah, tastes ok.
    
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    June 24, 2020 9:48am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Eastern cuisine, especially Japanese, has a wider range of texture than Western food.
      One particular texture I have not encountered in New Zealand food is that of “slime.” Most Westerners will throw up their knives and forks in horror when faced with a slimey food (and then throw up).
      
      Here’s one of my favorites: natto (fermented soy beans). This is not for soy boys…
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktXTlG9_zdQ
      
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      June 24, 2020 1:36pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Have you tried tripe and onions in white sauce,
        
        or very ripe ~~bogey~~ camembert?
        
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        June 24, 2020 3:48pm
  - Fletch
    
    I went to Malaysia once and our guide told us told us the experience is like eating great ice cream while sitting in a sewage gutter.
    
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    June 24, 2020 10:49am
- Kiwi Dave
  
  Durian tastes like a sweet, creamy custard, but the smell is utterly vile.
  
  In Hong Kong I lived in an apartment block. Coming home from work, I could accurately smell from 5 metres away through a steel door sealed with insulation strips when my wife had bought and eaten durian that day.
  
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  June 24, 2020 9:51am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Ah… the durian. The King of Fruit.
    
    In Japan and the West we have wine snobs, cigar snobs, music snobs.
    In Malaysia they have durian snobs. (I kid you not.)
    
    A fine durian is like a bottle of Champagne or a fine Montecristo No. 2. And costs about the same.
    
    Here in Glen Innes, Tai Ping sells frozen durian for about $29 a kg. Having experienced the real deal in Thailand at the end of the last century, I can attest to the smellyness and deliciousness of the noble, mace-like durian.
    
    The durian has the most delectable creamy white flesh and a rich, unique creme-de-la-creme flavor. The smell, on the other hand, is like that of rotting onions. (Don’t worry about it.)
    
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    June 24, 2020 10:31am
  - alwyn
    
    If anyone in Wellington is interested in trying it you can buy it, frozen, from Davis Food Products in Petone. They sell it imported from Vietnam.
    Definitely an acquired taste mind. Just getting near the fresh stuff requires a lot of willpower. I remember having some many years ago in Brunei. Just the once though.
    
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    June 24, 2020 10:58am
UrbanNeocolonialist

Obesity is strongly correlated with laziness, it reflects a lack of personal discipline and application of effort. Not a good sign in a politician (Woods or Brownlee)
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June 24, 2020 8:22am
- Random T Person
  
  Next you’ll be telling us the phrenologists had it right all along!
  Brownlee does not strike me as a lazy man, though he does strike me as a large one. I just wish he’d stop striking me.
  
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  June 24, 2020 8:48am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Ba-dum Tish !
    
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    June 24, 2020 3:06pm
- krazykiwi
  
  I once thought the same thing, but then started doing some research as that theory didn’t fit the evidence. If the science interests you, check out Why We Eat Too Much. Jenkinson is a bariatric surgeon who took 18 months off the tools to write this book.
  
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  June 24, 2020 9:33am
- MCos
  
  I know myself when I spent all day working on some alterations to my daughter’s house a few years ago the kgs fell away.
  However.
  Take a look at Tom Walsh, shot putter & builder. He is obese despite endless exercise.
  My wife’s father had two wives. All the kids of one are somewhat fleshy and all the kids of the other are as skinny as it’s possible to be. So was the father and he lived well into his eighties.
  
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  June 24, 2020 10:02am
  - alwyn
    
    When you say he is “obese” I assume you mean that he has a BMI above 30. Almost all the All Blacks are obese by that measure. It doesn’t necessarily mean that they have a high body fate percentage though. I suspect than Walsh is simply very heavily muscled rather than that he is unhealthily fat.
    
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    June 24, 2020 11:05am
Durden

Minister Andrew Little’s premature ejaculation that NZ First’s proposal for commercial rent contract changes was laughable has had it consequence.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12342381

One would have thought he would have learnt from his public emasculation around the 3 strikes law. He had to go and put his C on the block again just before elections with NZ First polling < 3% with predictable consequences. Union bully boy Little does not strike again.
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June 24, 2020 8:26am
- Benedict Yu
  
  As much as I can’t stand New Zealand First, the prospect of an outright Labour Government in three months is terrifying. There will be no handbrake, as dysfunctional as that is.
  
  I just can’t see any choice but leave New Zealand. It could have been a great country but I don’t see the damage as being reversible. Many of my expat colleagues are now making plans to leave. These are people who have made business and employed New Zealanders.
  
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  June 24, 2020 8:35am
  - Random T Person
    
    Sadly, Benedict, this is my view too. I’ve already sold my house, waiting to go unconditional by the end of this week. Off to Straya, reluctantly, hoping the larger scale of the place provides more of a shield (though acutely aware their politics is…interesting).
    
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    June 24, 2020 8:49am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Avoid the Socialist Republic of Victoria like the plague!
      
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      June 24, 2020 8:56am
      - Random T Person
        
        Haha, yes sir. Queensland looks like the go. Lots of friends there already, some from South Africa (including my neighbours from Johannesburg and my best man from Durban), some from New Zealand…
        
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        June 24, 2020 8:59am
    - Flossie
      
      Been there, done that. Had enough of being a second class citizen there, and the anti-kiwi nastiness from various sources (racism?) including fellow workers and even TV presenters etc. The weather is great but don’t be fooled into thinking the wages are all that wonderful and everything is cheap.
      Oh yes… snakes and stuff too
      
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      June 24, 2020 9:36am
      - Nickc2
        
        Take out Aust. citizenship ASAP. You can hold dual citizenship.
        
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        June 24, 2020 10:13am
      - Flossie
        
        Nickc2
        Not easy at all for a New Zealander to get citizenship. I tried, and even being married to an Australian didn’t help. Yes he did come back here with me, and intends to become one of us once he’s been here long enough to qualify.
        
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        June 24, 2020 11:20am
      - Nickc2
        
        Flossie @ 1120AM
        Yes, I heard they had tightened the requirements. However, I was fortunate enough to get mine pre Helen Clark throwing a tanty and getting off-side with the Australians. In hindsight, it was well worth doing.
        
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        June 24, 2020 12:54pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      Got Strayan PR?
      
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      June 24, 2020 10:36am
      - Random T Person
        
        I’m a New Zealander Ian.
        
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        June 24, 2020 11:37am
      - MCos
        
        My understanding is the Kiwis are not welcome over there right now.
        
        Personally I’ve never let politics determine where I live. I can understand financial betterment; that’s why I went to Thailand, but I was always an outsider over there and that wasn’t the way I wanted to live out my days.
        
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        June 24, 2020 3:45pm
    - kwkiwigirl
      
      The key to it Randomt is to take NZ superannuation out of the equation ie amass enough of a retirement stash that you can generate/draw down the income off your savings which would be the same as collecting Nz super. We are not yet at retirement age, but I’ve decided we are not staying in NZ long term just because of Nz super. Apparently Queensland houses are significantly cheaper than Nz property prices.
      
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      June 24, 2020 10:49am
      - Random T Person
        
        About 200 to 250 grand less for a comparable house. But I won’t be buying in the foreseeable future.
        
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        June 24, 2020 11:38am
  - Two bob
    
    Everyone says theyd leave, just look at brexit and trumps election many rushed to look at other countries to live but few done so once they realized they were just bein sore losers throwing their toys.
    
    if those ppl are that scared then go early and start a revolution, revolting once the country is too far gone is a waste and thats the time you should consider leaving.
    
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    June 24, 2020 8:57am
  - kowtow
    
    No hand brake , and there’ll be a wheel brace taken to productive tax payers ……..
    
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    June 24, 2020 9:13am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    I’m not leaving but I expect my kids to leave in a few years so I won’t see as much of my (future) grandkids as I would like, which will be sad.
    
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    June 24, 2020 9:51am
  - kwkiwigirl
    
    Totally agree. The long term damage being done to NZ at present with the indiscriminate spending of taxpayer money by Ardern and Robertson means this country’s finances will be a cot case for many years. Queensland looks appealing. Looking into this option currently.
    
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    June 24, 2020 10:08am
- Swifty
  
  It is no business of government to attempt to insert themselves in private understandings between (private) individuals.
  
  “A bill aimed at forcing landlords to negotiate rent relief with tenants….”
  
  Labour – always ready to use coercion to get what they and their supporters want. It’s something we don’t talk about nearly enough.
  
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  June 24, 2020 8:38am
graham

Another day, another story in the Herald about how some of those poor, poor people from the news and breakfast TV shows might be in danger of … gasp! … LOSING THEIR JOBS.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12342271

FFS. How many more of these stories will we see about the dreadful possibility that someone “famous” might lose their job?

Don’t get me wrong, I do feel for them, I really do. I am incredibly fortunate that I have never been made redundant in over 30 years, so I can only imagine what a horrible experience it must be. But hundreds of people lose thier jobs every week – what’s so special about John Campbell or Jenny-May Clarkson, that they get the electronic equivalent of column inches devoted to their plight?
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June 24, 2020 8:27am
- Ruahine
  
  I do not feel sorry for ‘them’ at all.
  
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  June 24, 2020 9:05am
- Inandout
  
  graham, perhaps Campbell could find a job with Pants Down Brown, where ever that ex Mayor is hanging out?
  
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  June 24, 2020 9:10am
- Benedict Yu
  
  The only times I have ever seen “Breakfast TV” is inadvertently – like I sit down in an airport lounge and realise it is on a TV in front of me. Then I move.
  
  That Campbell character is such a communist loser. In countries like Taiwan and Singapore you just don’t get fools like that on TV. They do have morning news shows on TV but they give you serious news on business and markets.
  
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  June 24, 2020 9:43am
  - kowtow
    
    “Flagship” TV1 main news doesn’t even have a regular business section.
    
    How fucked is that , when money makes the world go round!
    
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    June 24, 2020 1:17pm
- Sacha
  
  I am incredibly superficial – I admit it.
  Last Sunday evening I turned on the TV to watch Country Calendar. The programme was about a farm which was badly damaged by the kaikoura earthquake. I thought it would be about the damage to the land, and how it was being remedied, but no, it was a lifestyle type story, and not particularly well done at that. Production values looked more akin to mobile phone coverage than a professionally shot film.
  But the worst thing was the weather report in the commercial breaks. The poor reporter was wearing the most unattractive garment – it had an uneven hemline, and was just the wrong length to expose the knees. And she didn’t know how to stand in her high heels.
  There! I said I was superficial. And in this case, unrepentantly so.
  
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  June 24, 2020 9:57am
- kwkiwigirl
  
  I’m wanting to know how many people are here on temporary work visas. An awful lot of them seem to want full citizenship rights and benefits.
  
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  June 24, 2020 10:11am
  - Phronesis
    
    Currently there are approximately 350,000 temporary visa holders onshore.
    
    https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/pragmatic-changes-immigration-act-respond-covid-19-passed
    
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    June 24, 2020 10:52am
    - kwkiwigirl
      
      Wow I didn’t realise it was that many. They are just pumping the place with people wanting to emigrate here. They need to put the brakes on that scheme unless those people have skills we need like carpentry, electrician etc. NOT shop assistant, hospitality, chefs etc.
      
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      June 24, 2020 2:36pm
      - Pheobe
        
        A lot of them are trying to get home but can’t , we know a couple that have had their flight canceled 3 times and no word of when they can now go home.
        
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        June 24, 2020 9:02pm
    - kwkiwigirl
      
      Thanks phronesis. Reading through that link it appears that the government have unilaterally given themselves powers to extend temporary visas and basically do whatever they want for the next twelve months.
      
      All at the cost of the NZ tax payer to subsidise all these people taking up restaurant and retail jobs in the main. Correct me if I’m wrong, anyone who knows where all these people are being employed.
      
      That’s potentially 350k more Labour voters if they just give the whole lot of them permanent residence.
      
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      June 24, 2020 2:44pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Graham: what’s so special about them vs thousands of other ppl redundant? Why, these famous tv ppl have had far higher incomes for many years and should have a pretty good investment portfolio to fall back on!!
  
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  June 24, 2020 10:53am
- Fletch
  
  Yes, I read somewhere that they are thinking of reducing the newsreaders down to one person reading the news at a time. My folks reminded me that it used to be like that. The advent of having two people read every second news story is a recent thing that seems to have been picked up from America.
  
  There’s no need for two people, really. People like Tom Bradley and Dougal Stevenson did it all on their own. They could even read the weather in a pinch.
  
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  June 24, 2020 10:59am
  - mark15
    
    Its so they can agree and reinforce the narrative with each other.
    
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    June 24, 2020 12:21pm
    - Flossie
      
      Recent? The current pair on TVNZ have been doing it since 2006
      
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      June 24, 2020 12:30pm
      - Fletch
        
        That’s recent, to me 🙂
        
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        June 24, 2020 12:56pm
  - Brian Marshall
    
    They also reported the news, not telling us what to think.
    
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    June 24, 2020 12:53pm
- freethinker
  
  Graham – I am shedding the same empty crocodile tears for Campbell, another leftie, he shed for ChCh quake victims – Boo Bloody Ho.
  
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  June 24, 2020 11:13am
- tom hunter
  
  What I love about your link is that the NZ Herald ask me for $2.50 per week to access that sib story.
  
  MUHAHAHHHAAHHAAHAHAHAH
  
  Die MSM, Die!!!!
  
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  June 24, 2020 5:59pm
- Two bob
  
  well I see Kris fafoi is to the rescue announce they are trying to get the next “media package” out prior to the election.
  
  national need to straight up call them out on what it really is, a fuckn multi million dollar bribe!!
  
  Disgusting to promise to have it done in time for the election, the CoL have no shame
  
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  June 24, 2020 8:04pm
- david
  
  Having been made redundant 4 times in my career, I would not wish it on anyone.
  However, after the first one, I was not caught out unprepared again and managed my way through the others a lot better.
  As far as TV presenters go, they work in an uncertain industry where advertisers and ratings are constantly changing and may influence continued employment.
  Salary packages and termination conditions are accordingly tailored to be quite generous to reflect that uncertainty.
  Campbell for one has bounced around the industry both at his own volition and of necessity before and must accept it as just “part of the job”, and as such won’t get any tears from me. I say that independently of my opinion of him as a broadcaster
  
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  June 25, 2020 11:53am
G152

Little and Peters have yet to apologise for the blatant use of the supposed recovery of the dead miners
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June 24, 2020 8:33am
secondcumming

With TV3 reportedly in so much crap financially, and still laying off hundreds of staff, how come they persist with that guy *Aziz* on the Breakfast show?

All he does is give viewers an incentive to switch back to RT 😎
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June 24, 2020 8:35am
- Inandout
  
  second, he is one of the ‘special’ people, unless I mis read his behaviour.
  
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  June 24, 2020 9:12am
  - oldfella
    
    You got it. ‘Special’. Has even done stories about his ‘special-ness’.
    To misquote: all lives are special, it’s just that some are more special than others.
    
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    June 24, 2020 10:32am
hullkiwi

Megan Woods a politician straight out of the Labour school of wiining a bulls**t slinging match is more important than being seen doing a job competently.

Embarrassed for the past week for not doing her job and the lack of border testing, she:
1. Rolls out madam pink hairdo, to tell the world the testing regime is ok. Only for a Professor of Public Health Epidemiology to come out on RNZ to confirm that what National have been calling for is the correct approach;
2. Calls out Woodhouse over the homeless person and the hotel. Of course there will be no records to confirm the story. 1. Who would admit a stuff and keep a record of it; and 2. If there were records, they will have been “eliminated”.

If the story of the homeless person is true, an affidavit will be the only way to confirm any truth.
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June 24, 2020 8:35am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Woodhouse told Mike Hosking this morning that Barry Soper had interviewed the source of the allegation, and said in his view it stacked up.
  
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  June 24, 2020 8:44am
  - kwkiwigirl
    
    Wouldn’t trust Soper. He’s Winston Peters mate isn’t he?
    
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    June 24, 2020 10:13am
  - Nickc2
    
    ….. and Soper is a rabid Cindy supporter,
    
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    June 24, 2020 10:23am
  - freethinker
    
    As HDPA appears to have turned on the coalition of clowns she’s probably told Barry no more nookie till you do the same.
    
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    June 24, 2020 11:17am
- SmokerGuy
  
  The fact that the government are putting this much time into the story this shows where their priorities are. Masters of deflection!
  
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  June 24, 2020 8:51am
- Overworked
  
  Dr Souxie seems to forget she is a virologist, not an epidemiologist.
  
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  June 24, 2020 8:59am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I don’t think she is a virologist.
    Her work has been with bacteria in the main.
    
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    June 24, 2020 9:17am
    - Jules99
      
      Yes, Sometime between when I first looked at her profile about six months ago, and the start of the Wuflu virus, she became an ‘infectious diseases expert’, Maybe she did an online course or something.
      
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      June 24, 2020 9:42am
      - Two bob
        
        maybe the same course jacinda took and duncan garner didnt?
        
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        June 24, 2020 1:27pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    She is a microbiologist. Not a virologist, an epidemiologist or a specialist in public health, but the left wheel her out none the less.
    
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    June 24, 2020 9:36am
    - seismac
      
      Dr “ruby hair” has scientific interest in luminescence and it shows –only interested in getting in the spot light without any factual knowledge — certainly not a Covid expert
      
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      June 24, 2020 4:07pm
  - Phronesis
    
    We should be glad that Jacinda has stopped wheeling out “nano-girl” for advice as she did early on. I guess she thought viruses are really small so that would be right up nano-girls alley.
    
    Oh and it’s just a coincidence that all Jacinda’s scientific advisors have no balls.
    
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    June 24, 2020 10:56am
    - Random T Person
      
      My god I can’t stand that ‘nanogirl’ self promotormouth. Have encountered her more than once in my professional life, so full of herself.
      
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      June 24, 2020 11:41am
Maggy Wassilieff

He said the system failures were extraordinary. “I have just been dumbfounded that all of this stuff wasn’t in place in February.”

51 of 55 people who left isolation early were not tested;
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12342324

I supported Lockdown 4 because I knew certain things weren’t in place in March, but to have the level of slackness still going on in the middle of June is just HOPELESS.
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June 24, 2020 8:38am
- Tony Stuart
  
  This is a major systemic failure. The Minister of Health and the Director General are both directly responsible, but the ultimate responsibility rests with the Prime Minister.
  
  If the Prime Minister believed in accountability, David Clark would be gone as a Minister. That he remains, with so many gaffes on his record, is an insult to those of us who pay his salary. Yesterday he was either missing or held back from Question Time, yet he was able to front a media conference two hours later. Grant Robertson answered questions on Clark’s behalf, and his answers were unsurprisingly light on detail and evasive.
  
  https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/document/HansS_20200623_051300000/10-question-no-10-health
  
  Time and time again, Clark has proved to not be up to the role Ardern has appointed him to. She should have sacked him in April when she had the opportunity; now he is an albatross around her neck.
  
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  June 24, 2020 8:54am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Clark should have gone when he was caught threatening one of the DHB board members over Middlemore .
    
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    June 24, 2020 10:23am
- kwkiwigirl
  
  Don’t believe those numbers of ‘only’ 55 people having been released on exemptions and not tested. That’s just pie in the sky stuff. And as prof Gorman of Auckland uni states, they might not be infectious NOW, but they might have been then.
  
  As well as that the yes minister types at MOH who formulated the border form for entry to NZ didn’t even ask people for their NIH number. This is a health crisis right? Must have been some career bureaucrats down in Wellington, sitting their pushing bits of paper round and answering emails who devised this mess.
  
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  June 24, 2020 10:56am
  - alwyn
    
    How many people would know what their NIH number is?
    I believe it is printed on any prescription I get from my Doctor but I haven’t the slightest idea what the number is, or even what form it takes.
    If I was asked for the number by someone at the immigration counter at the airport I wouldn’t be able to provide it.
    Be honest. Do you know your number?
    
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    June 24, 2020 2:05pm
    - kwkiwigirl
      
      The form could have had a tick box giving the MOH authority to get your NIH number it’s not rocket science.
      
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      June 24, 2020 4:40pm
Garbageman

Just a reminder to all that we now live in a racist country called aotearoa where your surgical requirements & possibly life might just depend on the colour of your skin, I remember when we fought against apartheid in South Africa can’t say i ever suspected it would be happening in aotearoa in 2020, thanks for that on top of every other clusterf$#k you have foisted on this once great country Ardern, I could rant about the rest of the privileges certain special people get but this one frosts me the most wheres the justification, where’s the pushback, where’s our media screaming racism WTF is going on in this country ?
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June 24, 2020 8:40am
- Flossie
  
  I get quite annoyed at being lectured on correctly pronouncing Maori place names and other common words most of us use from that language when I hear so many Maori using English so badly.
  
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  June 24, 2020 10:03am
  - Raphael
    
    I commented to a young Maori lady (who has a dutch surname) that I mangle Maori words because it’s a language I didn’t encounter until in my late 20’s (so 13 years ago).
    And I mangle enough of my second language (I managed to pass Afrikaans at high school…and we’ll leave it at that), and even some of my first language (English) to worry too much about it.
    
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    June 24, 2020 10:45am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Raphael, I wouldn’t worry about it. Modern Maori or TeReo as it is now called is a made up language, with made up pronunciation. A classic example is Wanganui Maori do not pronounce the “wh” sound. Yet 20 plus years ago, the move to put the “h” in Wanganui gained traction. So, for the benefit of the Maori language police the city is now spelt Whanganui.
      Another reality of Maoridom, is that Maori were not a single homogeneous group with a single language. TeReo and it’s current form have evolved over the past 200 years, like much of what is “Maori Culture”.
      
      So, the next time you encounter the Maori culture/language tell them to turn around and tell them to teach their bros to speak and be Maori in conformity.
      
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      June 24, 2020 5:30pm
      - Batman
        
        That doesn’t make it “made up” that just means they have regional dialects. Just like how southlanders roll their Rs.
        
        The H thing was down to Auckland media assuming it wasn’t silent. Like the dorks they are.
        
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        June 24, 2020 5:49pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  When that news first came out I decided henceforth I would identify as Pasifika. Sorted.
  
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  June 24, 2020 10:05am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    I think they want some kind of proof. Can’t just choose or can we?
    
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    June 24, 2020 11:02am
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      I will act triggered if they ask for proof.
      
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      June 24, 2020 12:46pm
    - david
      
      The quick way would be to emulate Hone Harawira, and change your name officially. I mean they wouldn’t question the ethnic heritage of Mahingirangi Ruruwharatoa would they?
      
      Boom, straight to the top of the list – easy peasy.
      
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      June 25, 2020 12:02pm
- Raphael
  
  The CHAZ is practising racial segregation and praising it as a good thing.
  
  California is pushing through a bill called the “Affirmative Action Bill” which people reading on the title like, but actually all it does is remove the California Civil Rights law that prevents discrimination based on race, sex, colour, ethnicity, or national origin.
  https://ballotpedia.org/California_Repeal_Proposition_209_Affirmative_Action_Amendment_(2020)
  
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  June 24, 2020 10:38am
- Phronesis
  
  This has been going on for a long time. The difference is we have reached a point where those in power believe this sort of thing can be announced publicly for political gain.
  
  Have a look at how GP’s are funded. Their funding is entirely race based.
  https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/primary-health-care/primary-health-care-subsidies-and-services/capitation-rates
  
  This is true for most Government funding in the health area.
  
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  June 24, 2020 11:01am
RRM

What?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12342324

51 out of 55 people let go early were untested – medical experts say we have to assume Covid is back
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June 24, 2020 8:41am
harvey wilson

51 out of 55 people leaved quarantine untested .

Let’s call our border control “ kiwitest”.

As always Ardern is letting Clarke and Bloomfield front the bad news, she learne a lot working or Blair.
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June 24, 2020 8:47am
- Two bob
  
  we’re onto kiwitest 2.0 now that woods is involved, reset the targets and promises and still deliver jack shit.
  
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  June 24, 2020 9:02am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  Regulated by The New Zealand Colander Authority.
  
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  June 24, 2020 10:06am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Kiwitest! That’s brilliant.
  
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  June 24, 2020 11:32am
- Raphael
  
  I just had a thought while reading this.
  
  The more extreme left often try label Tony Blair as a war criminal (perhaps because he wasn’t left enough and didn’t kill his own people). But if we grant that label we have people from both the Greens AND Labour working for war criminals…..
  
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  June 24, 2020 1:19pm
Thought Criminal

If Jacinda Ardern had a dollar for every time she didn’t know what was going on. She’d probably ask “Where do all these dollars keep coming from?”
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June 24, 2020 8:47am
- Two bob
  
  the million dollar question… would she keep it or would she redistribute her new found wealth?
  
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  June 24, 2020 9:03am
- Tricati
  
  Yep – Labour sex camp, Derek Handley, Carl Sroubek, Sexual assault related to her office; and the list goes on – Given the pattern I’m calling BS on her not knowing, but just not telling the truth.
  
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  June 24, 2020 9:05am
- Pharmachick
  
  Easy: OPM
  
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  June 24, 2020 11:24am
Surely Knott

Is this a political ad?- Last night I was looking at my facebook news feed and liked a non political RNZ article about a local tech company succeeding overseas. When I pushed “like” a “related pages” carousel popped up featuring the Jacinda Ardern page with her profile photo and the Labour Party page with their logo.

So I tried a number of other articles on my news feed. An RNZ article about Ihaumato, Stuff article about Jacinda and Scott Morrison , A newshub article about Winston Peters and quarantining, Newshub article about the police constable with the picture of Mark Mithcell. All articles when I pushed like then popped up a “related pages” carousel with Jacinda Ardern’s profile page. And on Newsroom page they have related pages permanently on the right of their page and it again shows Jacinda ardern.

Related pages aren’t officially an ads, although they act as an ad. Companies don’t pay to have them. Facebook is the one that serves them up.

So my question is, Are “Related Pages” an ad and should it come under the election rules? Facebook is the one that is serving them up through their algorithm. While the political parties don’t pay Facebook is providing free ads through it’s related pages, and suggestions to show certain political parties profiles linked to news articles. Or should the political parties and news companies have to turn off their related pages options during the election period. And while our major newspapers might claim to be unbiased, the facebook algorithm seems to think they are linked to labour.
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June 24, 2020 8:51am
- Sacha
  
  Their algorithm doesn’t take note of the posts that you ‘hide’ either.
  If it did, I’d be saved a lot of rubbish to scroll through (or hide).
  
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  June 24, 2020 10:03am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    When the Labour Party keeps annoying me on FB, I just drop a link to Pornhub. That makes them go away.
    They use different IP addresses to target you with the same ad
    
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    June 24, 2020 10:51am
Maggy Wassilieff

Nearly 9am and the down-ticker hasn’t appeared.

I’m getting worried… Has he (yes boys, he’s one of yours… no female would be bothered) slept in, or is he sick?
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June 24, 2020 8:53am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  I’m pretty sure it identifies as xe and its pronouns are effwit, dork and nonce.
  
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  June 24, 2020 9:11am
- Maggie Pie
  
  You CAN understand though Maggs, why it takes so long to get dressed every morning 😛
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk7782dm884
  
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  June 24, 2020 9:46am
- RJ
  
  A down tick is really just an uptick from a leftie.
  
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  June 24, 2020 10:18am
- Ed Snack
  
  That, Maggie, just ASKS for a celebratory down tick ! So have one on me.
  
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  June 24, 2020 3:10pm
Maggie Pie

DLM !!
Wheres that guy Alan Davies when you need him? 🙁

https://twitter.com/MailOnline/status/1275519273352474625
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June 24, 2020 8:55am
- Random T Person
  
  One does wonder why we’re OK with eating sheep and cows, but draw the line at horses (unless you’re French; not even the amphibians are safe there) and dog is way off the menu. They’re all mammals. Spose it’s sort of encapsulated in the discussion between Vincent Vega and Jules Winnfield (Pulp Fiction, 1994) though they were discussing pigs and dogs, IIRC. Thing is, though, farmers will tell you cows have personality, too, so-
  
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  June 24, 2020 9:04am
  - Phronesis
    
    The answer is very simple. We eat herbivores in preference to carnivores.
    
    Herbivores are less likely to have diseases that we can catch from their meat and are considerably more productive from a farming perspective.
    
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    June 24, 2020 11:12am
    - Random T Person
      
      Choice, you really do learn something every day. Thanks Phronesis.
      
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      June 24, 2020 1:09pm
    - Two bob
      
      actually we eat mostly omnivores except we feed them a herbivore diet because its cheap and readily available.
      
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      June 24, 2020 8:06pm
I remember when

In the New Statesman 22 June:
“How a Dangerous Belief in British Exceptionalism lead the UK to Ruin,” by Martin Fletcher.
“At a moment of national crisis we are ruled by an unprincipled prime minister obsessed with slogans over substance.”
Thank goodness that sort of thing could never happen in New Zealand!
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June 24, 2020 8:59am
Kiwi_in_Paris

A very relevant song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3CjvyP4ed4
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June 24, 2020 8:59am
- Tall Man
  
  Excellent … but scary.
  
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  June 24, 2020 9:46am
Aunty

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12342324

“Auckland University medical professor Des Gorman said it was hard to imagine so much liberty was allowed at the border. While many of the early-release people might not be found to be infectious now, that did not mean they were not infectious at the time, he told Newstalk ZB’s Mike Hosking.

Gorman agreed with Hosking that the total 2159 people who left managed isolation between June 9 and 16 would not be tracked down now. “While we don’t want to over-egg the souffle, we have to make the assumption these people have reseeded the infection in the community. We have to act accordingly to quickly re-achieve the elimination.”

If this turns out to be the case. then we will be the laughing stock of the world. Bloomfield will have to go, and the Government will have to resign. There will have to be a snap election.
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June 24, 2020 9:11am
- Sacha
  
  “If this turns out to be the case. then we will be the laughing stock of the world. Bloomfield will have to go, and the Government will have to resign. There will have to be a snap election.”
  
  You wish!
  
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  June 24, 2020 10:07am
- Pharmachick
  
  Why is he commenting? Not a bad bloke, but he’s an expert in diving-related physiology and (I think) used to run the hyperbaric chamber in AKL for divers that got the bends. Hardly public health.
  
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  June 24, 2020 11:27am
greenfinger

All Ardern is doing is playing political musical chair. Just sub-in a new face in the same $hit and hopes the public backs off from giving her grieve, even if only for a fleeting moment. Well, honeymoon period lasted for about 1 second. Megan Wood has zero credibility! Labour Party KiwiBuild housing deficit has grown bigger, not smaller under her. Next thing is she’ll use her new responsibility as an excuse that she has been busy tracking those released without being properly tested for COVID-19 as reason why kiwibuild target had to be deferred! The “I had too much on my plate” excuse ain’t gonna work!! You won’t get away so easy!
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June 24, 2020 9:23am
RJ

This is rather sad. This is more than just a dog, this is a police officer. The sentence should of be harsher.

A Northland man has been sentenced to more than five years jail for stabbing police dog Caesar twice in the head, trying to ram police cars, aggravated burglary and other related offences.

Adam Tipene, 32, was charged with eight offences from a high-speed police chase and burglary in Whangārei in December 2018.

Stuff Article
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June 24, 2020 9:25am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  He got a discount on the sentence for getting off the couch.
  
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  June 24, 2020 10:09am
- MT_Tinman
  
  This obviously gentle man was profiled by Northland police and wrongly convicted because of the racism in the system.
  
  I’m sure, with hindsight, an appeal will see him sent back to his people to be punished with free booze, as much drugs as he can consume and a new “wife” every night.
  
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  June 24, 2020 10:10am
  - oldfella
    
    One of Shane’s nephews?
    
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    June 24, 2020 10:40am
  - Jules99
    
    Maybe the dogs are trained to racially profile too. Wait to see if this gets headlined in Stuff ?
    
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    June 24, 2020 12:22pm
- Nickc2
  
  Was he one of the ‘special’ people?
  
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  June 24, 2020 1:11pm
- Two bob
  
  hmm I duno, regardless of what 1 does I think its only a natural response to defend yourself against a vicious dog.
  I know damn well if I ever had 1 of those dogs chomping at me id be doing all I could to stop it latching on.
  
  btw theyre an animal used as a tool so please dont humanize things that clearly arent.
  
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  June 24, 2020 1:36pm
  - RJ
    
    Best way to stop a police dog chomping on you is too do what the police officer is telling you to do.
    
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    June 24, 2020 2:02pm
  - GoVege
    
    An animal used as a tool?
    Sorry two bob, but dogs are living breathing beings a lot like us humans.
    Just nicer.
    And police dogs are trained to only go after bad guys.
    
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    June 24, 2020 3:26pm
    - Two bob
      
      Police dogs are a tool plain and simple the title dog handler and working dog is a give away, if they were anything else then every cop would have one for cuddles and support.
      
      most average joe public has dogs as pets which is different, once intense speacialized training comes into it they become a tool. the handler still needs to be the dogs best friend tho as no dog will work properly if youre not its best mate.
      
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      June 24, 2020 6:09pm
Maggie Pie

OMG
For those in the group still enjoying seeing this saga unfold on twitter, Peebs launches another tirade @Richie……… (comments R priceless 😀 )

https://twitter.com/PeeblesHooper/status/1275327093203591168
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June 24, 2020 9:30am
- Libertarians are right
  
  The best part of this is that his lawyer seems to be Emma Priest: i.e. the victim blaming lawyer of the Labour Youth Camp sex pest.
  
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  June 24, 2020 10:56am
- Jimmy White
  
  Lets hope than when he goes to prison he has a new Husband every night and every shower time
  
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  June 24, 2020 11:30am
Greg Ettridge

Go to google or utube and put in “000 new cases”.
put in any any 3 numbers.
Appears these search engines decide what you will see.
Utube is censored and TIK TOK is chinese.
Try this link talking about what caused Rosewood cluster. This was put up on Kiwiblog and disappeared soon afterwards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dTeUq5Bqeg
All aspects of our lives are now at risk of being controlled.
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June 24, 2020 9:40am
- RJ
  
  YouTube is annoying me, every day the past week they have been putting Jacinda videos in the recommended.
  
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  June 24, 2020 9:43am
  - Surely Knott
    
    Isnt’ the law now that overseas donations to NZ political parties can’t be more than $50. What is the dollar value of “recommending” and “related pages” ads by you tube and facebook favouring certain NZ Political parties. It would certainly equate to more than $50. They should have to declare it and make transparent how many times they recommended each party and on what channels and what the page views were.
    
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    June 24, 2020 10:18am
    - RJ
      
      I’m wondering if it is more labour are paying for her to be recommended.
      
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      June 24, 2020 11:55am
    - Nickc2
      
      Wasn’t Cindy going to tax You Tube and Facebook for operating in NZ? Perhaps this is their way of getting around the tax.
      
      Anyhow, there’s one way to fix them and that’s to boycott their cites.
      
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      June 24, 2020 1:08pm
  - Sacha
    
    Deflect! That’s the trick.
    PM has disappeared since I watched the first of many videos by ‘Drain Addict’. Riveting to watch if unblocking drains appeals.
    
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    June 24, 2020 10:18am
  - Swifty
    
    Me too.
    
    Click on “Don’t recommend channel.”
    
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    June 24, 2020 10:20am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And here is an Article by David Rankin published on the Herald Site June 16th… but now missing from The Herald
  
  https://rokzfast.com/rankin-turangawaewae-marae-must-come-down-27100/
  
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  June 24, 2020 10:14am
- Brian Marshall
  
  Video is now showing private. That’s a classic censorship tactic used by YouTube. It appears for the poster, but stops others from seeing it. ?
  
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  June 24, 2020 12:58pm
I remember when

Things you could do at Marist College instead of putting up BLM posters.
Join Young Vinnies (St Vincent de Paul) a catholic charity focusing on poverty, social exclusion, prison communities and homelessness.
Or perhaps Caritas NZ a catholic charity that promotes awareness and understanding of social justice issues.
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June 24, 2020 9:48am
lifesgood

I am really bemused. Labour had way fewer votes than National at the election and could only seize power through a coalition of Misfits so how come the polls say they are getting 60 to 70%. It simply doesn’t make sense. I cannot believe that a large percentage of National voters have changed their allegiance to Labour, especially after their disastrous performance in every area.
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June 24, 2020 9:51am
- Maggie Pie
  
  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EamUCB9UcAAKf1Y?format=jpg&name=small
  
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  June 24, 2020 10:08am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I can’t believe it either but it seems to be the case. Don’t make the mistake of thinking that everyone has your thought processes. I have met people (none of them from the Taiwanese and Chinese communities I must say) who actually think that Jacinda saved the lives of 100,000 people.
  
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  June 24, 2020 10:11am
  - lifesgood
    
    Yes, but I have also met people who have changed allegiance from Labour to National.
    
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    June 24, 2020 1:51pm
- Flossie
  
  I am quite stunned by the switch in allegiance by one of my friends, now a staunch Labour supporter. Well, when I say “Labour”, more correctly “Jacinda”. Initially she was with me on how the smiley fairy dust and having a baby was so much nonsense, but somewhere during lockdown she became convinced that our Lovely PM was Doing Such A Great Job!
  
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  June 24, 2020 10:25am
MT_Tinman

Fantastic stuff!!!

From Newshub:

Motorsport: FBI investigation finds NASCAR ‘noose’ not racial hate crime

3 minutes ago
Grant Chapman
Grant Chapman

An FBI investigation has found the ‘noose’ discovered in the garage of African-American NASCAR driver Bubba Wallace was not a racially motivated hate crime.

It was a piece of rope used to open the garage door.
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June 24, 2020 9:58am
- oldfella
  
  An act of solidarity with Jussie Smollett?
  Remember, Black Racist Lives Matter… or something.
  
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  June 24, 2020 10:45am
  - Batman
    
    Well, the team found and reported it. Wallace never personally saw it.
    
    So no, not a smollett incident.
    
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    June 24, 2020 11:11am
- rangitoto
  
  It now turns out that all the garages at this raceway have these ropes. Some have a loop tied for pulling the doors down.
  
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  June 24, 2020 10:54am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Not on CNN anymore. How ’bout that?
  
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  June 24, 2020 10:59am
  - rangitoto
    
    I noticed the fake news outlet TVNZ ran with the hoax story last night.
    
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    June 24, 2020 11:09am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Fake Noose. Thankyou, thankyou very much
  
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  June 24, 2020 11:27am
  - oldfella
    
    I wonder if our 6pm news bulletins tonight will cover this twist in the story? Lots of footage last night about the supposed ‘hate crime’, and the outrage, and the need for white racist Nascar types to repent their vile racism.
    The only significant footage missing was an actual picture of the offending object, at which point I smelled a hoax.
    And bingo!
    
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    June 24, 2020 11:42am
    - Batman
      
      Ummmm, of course they wouldn’t publicise the photo while the FBI were involved and it was being treated as a hate crime.
      
      Of course, the fact it turned out to be a garage door pull is an ending you couldn’t make up. And that it has been there since October 2019 rules out the ‘hoax’ claim too.
      
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      June 24, 2020 11:51am
      - oldfella
        
        Pretty sure we all got to see the Smollett hoax ‘noose’ early on.
        Basically, I can’t believe some Nascar official didn’t just take a look at the suspicious object and say, ‘Nah, bro, that’s just a door pull.’
        Shows the level of ridiculous, race-based hyper-hysteria around at the moment.
        
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        June 24, 2020 12:13pm
      - Batman
        
        It may have been around but it’s easy to see why it wouldn’t be splashed everywhere.
        
        Well the FBI investigation took one day, so I assume one of the local track officials confirmed it and hey presto, investigation done!
        
        That is different from a hoax though. More of a damp squib situation.
        
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        June 24, 2020 12:31pm
      - secondcumming
        
        You know what they say –
        
        Give someone enough rope…… 😎
        
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        June 24, 2020 12:32pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        The photo was all over Facebook, Batman. This was nothing more than the media trying to generate fake news (fake noose) They milked for all they could get. Play school TV1 new will be interesting, what’s the bet they will blame American media?
        
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        June 24, 2020 2:57pm
    - RJ
      
      Here is what the offending noose looks like at .53 seconds. You could fit your hand in it, but that is about it, no way anything more than a hand
      
      Video
      
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      June 24, 2020 3:23pm
- rouppe
  
  It is good news that no one behaved in the appalling manner that was widely reported.
  
  It is also a timely reminder that allowing one’s views to be defined by one’s bias and amplified so quickly is incredibly dangerous.
  
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  June 24, 2020 11:27am
I remember when

Instead of BLM should it be MBLM because at the end of the day that is what we are arguing about.
Male Black Lives Matter is about the death of blacks who seem to be exclusively male. On the other side, the police who are involved also appear to be exclusively male.
Would/will increasing numbers of female police officers have any effect on the number of deaths and the racial bias?
Or, would black female police officers correct the stated imbalance?
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June 24, 2020 10:06am
Benedict Yu

This joint ‘travel bubble’ with Australia is a great example of the “illusory truth effect”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_truth_effect

Someone said it was a good idea. It went viral. Then Winston demanded it happen now. Even Todd Muller demanded that the Government reveal the date when it would begin! The Queenstown folk started saying it would happen in July. Because of snow.

But as time passes it looks like it is not a happening thing, at least not for 2020. Which brings me back to my often asked question: “What is the exit strategy?” It is extremely unlikely that NZ will have community transmission again. But we are faced with closed off borders and an impoverished country. In Australia overseas tourism is about 3% of GDP:

https://www.tra.gov.au/economic-analysis/economic-value/national-tourism-satellite-account/national-tourism-satellite-account

In New Zealand overseas tourism is 6% of GDP. That may not sound like a big difference but it is enormous. Australia will recover in a much shorter time.

There must be someone in the Government thinking about an exit strategy. If they are waiting for a vaccine it may be a long wait. I did some reading on vaccines developed in the last 40 years. The fastest ever development of a vaccine since 1960 was for mumps. That took four years. 40 years after HIV there is still no vaccine. In fact I could find no records of ANY successful vaccine for a corona virus. (I am not claiming that as a fact – I devoted 30 minutes to a google search.)

But let’s take a best case scenario – that a vaccine is developed and rolled out to achieve herd immunity globally within 3 years. Are we seriously going to be locked up in New Zealand for three years?
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June 24, 2020 10:07am
- fernglas
  
  In a word, yes. Unless the Government winds back the objective of elimination, we are in here unyil that happens. I just noted Dr Fauci saying that a virus could be available in early 2020, if one could be made. If one can’t, then either the government is going to have to change its policy and admit it was wrong, or this country will simply wither.
  
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  June 24, 2020 10:32am
- krazykiwi
  
  It is extremely unlikely that NZ will have community transmission again
  
  You think so? I posit that it’s extremely likely that there will be community transmission. Whether we detect it or not is another matter because upwards of 80% of infections a asymptomatic, and most of the rest involve only minor symptoms which individuals usually ignore while their body deals with it.
  
  However the exit strategy is defined, it will need to centre on acceptance that SARS-COV-2 is with us, and it will kill vulnerable people in the same way as ILI’s already kill vulnerable people.
  
  The alternative is a bunker mentality with the prospect of a mandated, DNA-altering vaccine being the only way to avoid development of a North Korean-type economy.
  
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  June 24, 2020 11:07am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  In fact I could find no records of ANY successful vaccine for a corona virus.
  
  Correct:
  There are no vaccines for coronaviruses that affect humans
  
  No CoV vaccine is currently approved for use in humans.
  https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2211383520305918
  
  I found one paper showing lab success with using a live attenuated vaccine against a Cat Coronavirus
  https://www.scopus.com/record/display.uri?eid=2-s2.0-1842432528&origin=inward&txGid=bf442422bb561fe7fa74578d0efaf049…
  
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  June 24, 2020 11:12am
  - Aunty
    
    There aren’t any vaccines against coronavirus in humans because up to now, there hasn’t really been a need to develop any. Excluding SARS, MERS, and the current beast, the four coronaviruses that infect humans only cause the common cold.
    
    I’m quite hopeful that one will be developed against SARS-CoV-2 and start to be rolled out by around this time next year. We know that the immune system eliminates the virus from those who are infected (if they don’t die from it) including producing neutralising antibodies. Remember that vaccination mimics a natural infection so it elicits exactly the same response from the same immunological actors and pathways that a real infection with SARS-CoV-2 does. Vaccination tricks part of the immune system into thinking that it has, in fact, been infected and it behaves accordingly.
    
    The biology of HIV is very different to that of SARS-CoV-2. While the immune system does produce antibodies towards HIV, these are ineffective as the virus keeps mutating. Antibodies recognise defined shapes. When they find that shape they lock on and bind to it. HIV keeps mutating so the shapes on its surface proteins that the antibody would otherwise bind to keep changing. This allow that virus to stay one step ahead. The other issue with HIV is that it also infects a very important part of the immune system, CD4 cells, which are kind of like the conductors of the immunological orchestra and destroys them. Coronaviruses don’t do this.
    
    To the best of my knowledge, no one has ever eliminated an HIV infection on their own. In the absence of antiretroviral drugs, the virus is always present in an infected person’s system, even years after the infection. Testing an HIV positive person’s viral load is an important part of the medical management of HIV patients.
    
    This is not the case with SARS-CoV-2, which is rapidly eliminated by the immune system in those who have been infected. An effective vaccination(s) against SARS-CoV-2 should elicit the same outcome.
    
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    June 24, 2020 12:12pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      Aunty, totally agree about why there’s no BCV vaccine, primarily because there’s been no need. Both SARS and MERS basically died down on their own well before any vaccine could have been ready, and the most widespread BCv causes around 30% of colds and is never (?) fatal. We’d love to have a vaccine against colds, but one that acts against only 30% of them, would you pay for that ?
      
      And HIV isn’t a super mutator like the Influenza family, one of the major issues is the CD4 infection. HIV preferentially uses the CD4 cells to infect and that makes a vaccine very tricky to engineer to be effective.
      
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      June 24, 2020 3:19pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      “the four coronaviruses that infect humans only cause the common cold.”
      
      No – if a virus could be developed for the common cold, it would be a gold mine for the firm that pulled it off. Think about the economic cost each year from people coming down with colds. It is the most common reason for people to call in sick. Plus it is not nice. If a vaccine could have been developed it would have been developed.
      
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      June 24, 2020 4:27pm
Maggy Wassilieff

A massive cache of illegal firearms located at the latest gang bust

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/419702/gang-arrests-they-re-not-part-of-the-team-of-five-million

But are we really expected to believe that our “indigenous” gangs are different from the Mongols?
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June 24, 2020 10:26am
- RJ
  
  I want to know what they were going to use the bomb for
  
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  June 24, 2020 10:43am
  - Two bob
    
    blowing stuff up, dont think mongols are into ornaments and collectables
    
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    June 24, 2020 6:11pm
- oldfella
  
  Wally’s Haumaha’s gang friends are MUCH nicer than the Mongols.
  Basically just social workers on Harleys.
  
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  June 24, 2020 10:48am
- Lance
  
  When they administer the bash, sell meth to the hopeless, murder rivals and intimidate the law abiding…. it’s done in the Kiwi way.
  
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  June 24, 2020 10:56am
- Jack5
  
  Good work by the police. BUT … as Maggy hints, are they, at least in part, running protection for the Mongrel Mob?
  
  The guns would likely have been initially for gang war as the Australia-deported ethnic Kiwis sought to take control of the drugs trade.
  
  The Mongrel Mob and other “indigenous” gangs seem to have got the odd privilege during the lockdown.
  
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  June 24, 2020 11:06am
Fletch

All the media seem to be criticizing Trump for the numbers of his Tulsa turnout. It turns out that the his televised speech had record ratings.

A whopping 7.7 million total viewers tuned into Fox News from 8 p.m. to 10 p.m. EDT during Trump’s remarks, making it the most watched Saturday in the network’s history during that time period, according to early Nielsen data.

Trump’s rally also gave Fox News its largest Saturday night primetime audience ever from 8 p.m. to 11 p.m.

To go along with that impressive figure there is also the online streaming figures to factor in. Eliminating the over 2 million views on the FoxNews feed — just in case those were considered in their ratings — a cursory look over the various news network accounts on YouTube shows more widespread viewership. At least another 4 million views can be totaled there, and that is hardly a comprehensive tally.

https://www.redstate.com/bradslager/2020/06/22/859811/

So, actually a very good turn out, also considering that entries were blocked by BLM protesters and people staying home because of the virus threat etc

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2020/06/22/msnbc-misrepresents-trump-campaign-protests-n2571016
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June 24, 2020 11:10am
- Batman
  
  You know you live in a bubble of conservative blogs and media right?
  
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  June 24, 2020 11:44am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    And you – d’you live in your mum’s garage or a cave with Robin?
    
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    June 24, 2020 12:47pm
    - kowtow
      
      And wears his underpants outside his tights.
      
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      June 24, 2020 2:49pm
- virtualmark
  
  Simple reality … if Trump wants to win in November then he either (a) needs to broaden his voters beyond his base or (b) needs to somehow drive down the number of voters who will vote for Biden.
  
  His Tulsa rally didn’t do (a). There’s no reaching out to the middle. Just red meat, grievances and prejudices for his case. But his schtick is old and tired, and so not even the base came out for him … the place was only a third full.
  
  His Tulsa rally was the opposite of (b). He looked weak and beatable and vulnerable. Biden’s voters will feel energised after that display.
  
  So it really doesn’t matter how many people watched it on Fox News. The base watched it, will likely still vote for him, but probably have more doubts now than they had a week ago. And the non-base didn’t see anything to convince them to vote for Trump.
  
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  June 24, 2020 4:16pm
Jack5

Wow! The Woke panicked over this?

The indignation and shaming of whites over a “noose” being found in NASCAR driver Bubba Wallace’s garage proves to be nothing more than a garage door “pull rope”. That’s what the FBI has found.

The drama, the liberal white angst, the sympathy for Wallace, who seems to be the lone NASCAR full-time driver who is black …. all wasted.

Including NASCAR’s own statement after the so-called “noose” was found:

‘We are angry and outraged, and cannot state strongly enough how seriously we take this heinous act.”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8453051/FBI-says-noose-Bubba-Wallaces-garage-misunderstanding.html
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June 24, 2020 11:12am
- Jack5
  
  Whoops! Sorry MT Tinman – didn’t notice your earlier post in this thread on the NASCAR noose.
  
  I have a bad habit of reading threads from bottom up, but doubling up posts is easier to do these days. Perhaps that’s the result of moderation queues.
  
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  June 24, 2020 11:26am
- Batman
  
  Worthwhile as a demonstration that NASCAR as a sport doesn’t want the redneck racists around any longer. As well as the low-key racists calling it a hoax (you know who you are).
  
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  June 24, 2020 11:46am
  - Jack5
    
    Batman, who are the “low-key racists calling it a hoax” (you know who you are)?
    
    I don’t see any posts in this thread alleging the NASCAR noose was a hoax in the sense that there was intention to deceive.
    
    Your post is the closest. You describe the incident as a “demonstration”, which comes closest to an intention to deceive.
    
    The “noose” incident does show that the BLM campaign has edged towards hysteria.
    
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    June 24, 2020 12:09pm
    - Jack5
      
      We could also look at the term “red neck”, which is used by Batman, who is obviously off moderation duty today.
      
      He’s in the clear. This term is derogatory, but not racist, because “red necks” aren’t a race. So you can say whatever you like about them without being racist.
      
      If that’s the case, though, New Zealand is on thin ice. Are Maori a race, or is Polynesian the race of Maori? If Maori aren’t a race, can it be racist to discriminate against Maori (as opposed to discriminate against all Polynesians)?
      
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      June 24, 2020 12:50pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    It was a f***ing hoax Batman. Hyped by the media. Almost all the garages used by the teams had exactly the same door closing rope with a circular hoop set in the end to make it easier to pull on. Why did no one think to mention that Bubba wasn’t targeted because there’s one the same in every garage.
    
    This is Jussie Smollet all over again, race baiting rabble rousing by a complicit media.
    
    You know why they have to have these hoaxes is because there aren’t any genuine incidents that they can pick on to ramp up the hate. So they invent them, and you lot fall for it hook, line, and sinker every time.
    
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    June 24, 2020 3:24pm
- Fletch
  
  I knew it would turn out to be something like this…
  
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  June 24, 2020 12:08pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Something special to watch at lunchtime when you are not working. Who doesn’t like Tom Jones?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvlOBqCVc70
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June 24, 2020 11:13am
- MCos
  
  I enjoy some of Tom Jones songs, but that one is not a favourite.
  A bit dated.
  
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  June 24, 2020 12:07pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Be different if the same song was played with video clips of Michelle Obama yes?
    Your TDS is shocking
    
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    June 24, 2020 12:42pm
MCos

A Croatian friend of mine once told me that Serbs were stupid.
I never thought much of it until now.
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June 24, 2020 11:13am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  and lots of folks wouldn’t know the difference between a Serb and a Slovene.
  
  let alone know where Serbia and Slovenia are located.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbia%E2%80%93Slovenia_relations
  
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  June 24, 2020 12:02pm
  - Jack5
    
    The difference is pretty much religion – Roman Catholic Croats v. Orthodox Serbs. They both speak Serbo-Croat.
    
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    June 24, 2020 12:54pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    For that matter the difference between Slovakia and Slovenia.
    
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    June 24, 2020 12:56pm
  - kowtow
    
    You’re probably right , but given the interest NZers should have in WWI ,every school kid should be able to point to Sarajevo on a map , not to mention more recent terrible events in that neck of the woods .
    
    ( I know Sara is not in Serbia , but it was alleged Serbian activities in Sara. that were the pretext for the whole shebang)
    
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    June 24, 2020 1:28pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      Wasn’t alleged, the Serbian “Black Hand” – part of their secret intelligence service, though likely a rogue part of it, set up the assassination. They actually wanted a war that they thought they could win.
      
      The Austrians set terms so harsh on Serbia that they calculated that the Serbians could not under any circumstances agree to, because the Austrians wanted a war too, to suppress the various revolts in that part of their empire. Unfortunately for them, the Serbs capitulated and agreed – so the Austrians declared war anyway.
      
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      June 24, 2020 3:27pm
Fletch

Sarah Huckabee Sanders on John Bolton – an excerpt from her new book. She describes a man drunk on power (Bolton) who had to have his own motorcade, even before those who outranked him.

As he did on many of our foreign trips, Bolton had a separate agenda and often arrived and departed on a different plane because he didn’t want to travel on Air Force One with the President and his team. Bolton apparently felt too important to travel with the rest of us. It was a running joke in the White House.

“As we were ready to depart for the Winfield House we loaded onto a small black bus…On board were Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, Acting Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney, Senior Advisor Stephen Miller, Senior Advisor Dan Scavino, Walsh and me. Based on US protocol, Mnuchin, Mulvaney and Walsh all outranked Bolton…Mnuchin, one of the highest ranking officials in government, far outranked him. We waited at the hotel but there was no sign of Bolton or his motorcade. After a while we gave up and headed to the Winfield House to meet the president…

“While en route, UK police directed us to pull to the side of the road because someone was coming through…we looked over to see who it was and sure enough here came Bolton and his motorcade. We waited and watched as Bolton sped by and left us in the dust…The discussion on the bus quickly moved from casual chit chat to how arrogant and selfish Bolton could be, not just in this moment but on a regular basis. If anyone on the team should have merited a motorcade it was Mnuchin, but he was a team player…

“Bolton was a classic case of a senior White House official drunk on power, who had forgotten that nobody elected him to anything. Often Bolton acted like he was the president, pushing an agenda contrary to President Trump’s…When we finally arrived at the Winfield House, Mick Mulvaney, typically laid-back and not one to get caught up in titles or seniority, confronted Bolton and unleashed a full Irish explosion on him. He lit into him in a way I hadn’t seen him do to anyone before…

“Mick made clear he was the chief of staff and Bolton’s total disregard for his colleagues and common decency was unacceptable and would no longer be tolerated. “Let’s face it John,” Mick said. “You’re a f—— self-righteous, self-centered son of a b——!” That epithet really didn’t have much to do with the motorcade, but was the culmination of months of Bolton thinking he was more important and could play by a different set of rules than the rest of the team. Bolton backed down and stormed off…

“The rest of us looked on and nodded in approval, proud of Mick for standing up for us. Mick even got a few high fives from officials thrilled someone had put Bolton in his place.”

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2020/06/22/sarah-huckabee-sanders-shares-excerpt-from-her-new-book-its-about-bolton-n2571064
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June 24, 2020 11:14am
- Batman
  
  Cute story, if only it was anything other than a tanty from another former staffer.
  
  It doesn’t do anything about the very serious claims made in the book and via interviews. Which oddly enough, align with every other account of what Trump and his White House is like.
  
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  June 24, 2020 11:43am
  - Fletch
    
    Yeh, sure. But a guy who actually was there (Casey B. Mulligan, who served as chief economist of the White House Council of Economic Advisers from 2018 to 2019) reports that Bolton mischaracterised a lot of the stuff in his book.
    
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/06/23/bolton_is_wrong_i_was_there_143514.html
    
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    June 24, 2020 12:11pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Still no Kauri dieback management plan.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/121926900/wait-goes-on-for-governments-national-pest-management-plan-for-kauri-dieback

Perhaps the knowledge that kauri dieback may have got into our native forests from planting trials might be a bit difficult to handle…

https://www.kauridieback.co.nz/media/1487/2017-52-the-introduction-and-spread-of-kauri-dieback-disease-in-new-zealand_final.pdf

especially as folks are being encouraged to plant/ transplant native trees all over the country……

and who oversees whether the plants are disease free?
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June 24, 2020 11:27am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  Quarantine the trees in hotels and don’t let them leave until they test negative. Let’s do this (TM). It’s the only way to be sure.
  
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  June 24, 2020 12:48pm
  - Two bob
    
    their border restrictions at the start of the walking tracks have been breached thousands of times also!!!
    
    Pigs and rain runoff can spread the dieback spores. nothing we can do to stop it so yet another waste of money for zero gain.
    
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    June 24, 2020 8:12pm
MT_Tinman

Who doesn’t like Tom Jones?

Since “What’s New Pussycat” it’s all been down hill.
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June 24, 2020 11:29am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  🙂
  
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  June 24, 2020 12:44pm
Fletch

New undercover video from someone who worked inside Facebook recording moderators saying they will delete pro-Trump content just because it is Trump. He says that around 75% to 80% of flagged posts at Facebook are conservative of Republican.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7o4A16QCxE
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June 24, 2020 11:35am
Maggy Wassilieff

Shane Jones considers that trying to find out how $3.4M of public money may or may not have been spent a waste of his time.

Jones could not say where the $3.4m pledged by the previous government to the Pouakai Crossing component of the project in 2017 had been spent.

“No, I don’t have access… I presume I could hire some forensic accountants who would waste my time going to find that information out.”

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/419540/shane-jones-blames-iwi-sensitivities-and-doc-regulations-for-taranaki-crossing-delays
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June 24, 2020 11:37am
Maggy Wassilieff

Today’s Q.9 might be redundant now

CHRIS BISHOP to the Minister of Transport: Does he stand by his statement, “one of my first actions as Minister will be to have officials advise on how quickly we can start, and how soon we can get it [light rail to the airport] built. I would expect Queen Street to Mount Roskill within four years as a minimum. If we can do it faster, we will”, and when does he expect construction to begin on Auckland light rail?

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/order-paper-questions/list-of-oral-questions/oral-questions-24-june-2020/
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June 24, 2020 11:43am
- RJ
  
  July 10 20never
  
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  June 24, 2020 11:45am
- fernglas
  
  I’m pleased it’s been dropped. It is already obsolete. The CBD will be half-full and the Chinese will be selling us hands-free cars in another 2 years.
  
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  June 24, 2020 11:52am
- alex Masterley
  
  It’s dead.
  Twyforded in fact.
  Given that Twyford attended the CRL thing yesterday, I am concerned about the fate of that project. albert Street, Beresford street and Eden Terrace could be stuffed for ever.
  
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  June 24, 2020 12:23pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    alex, the news this lunchtime (both on Newshub and NewsRoom) that Light Rail is off the table for now is great news for all of NZ. However, depending the election outcome it could be back.
    
    Reading Newshub and NewsRoom, the scheme could come back.
    
    What is frightening is the ignorance of Twitford and Goofy in promoting the scheme. Also frightening is that the media go to Matt Lowrie for a comment (the Greater Auckland – transport blog). This is a person who has no transport experience to speak of but has incredible influence on politicians and the media, because they are all too lazy to understand the issues.
    
    Goofy is quoted lamenting the failure to proceed, claiming it is needed to “support intensification of housing, and head off bus congestion due to occur within 3 to 4 years – light rail needs to be in place before then” he is quoted as saying.
    
    What a misinformed “tool” of Lowrie and co.
    
    I have experience of light rail schemes around the world, and I can say without fear of contradiction, if light rail is the answer to a transport need, you’ve asked the wrong questions and you’re on the wrong page.
    
    Light Rail is an expensive people mover and rather than solving congestion, causes congestion. It is expensive and Auckland does not need Light Rail, anymore than it needs CRL.
    
    And just one more thing. There was never a complete business case for Light Rail. AT’s business case had more holes than a colander in it, and NZTA struggled to match AT’s effort, producing a document that withstand any scrutiny.
    
    So, for the moment we can celebrate, but should Labour/Green win in September, this ghastly scheme (corpse) will be given another life.
    
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    June 24, 2020 1:15pm
Maggie Pie

Is this the same guy that comments here on the odd occasion?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12342485

Asking for a friend 😛
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June 24, 2020 11:46am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  It’s Sodom Hussein…
  
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  June 24, 2020 12:50pm
- MT_Tinman
  
  Wow!
  
  Talk about a busman’s holiday.
  
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  June 24, 2020 1:08pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Alaska, it’s hot, stay hydrated.
https://www.tiktok.com/@cajunman2020/video/6841159958331952389?u_code=0&preview_pb=0&language=en&_d=dcf4e0mig5aefh&share_item_id=6841159958331952389&timestamp=1592959767&utm_campaign=client_share&app=musically&utm_medium=ios&tt_from=messenger&utm_source=messenger&source=h5_m
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June 24, 2020 12:53pm
Jack5

Hate speech laws delayed until after the election!

Sounds like we can thank Winston Peters for the delay. Well done Winnie!

From this RNZ report it seems NZ’s tiny Muslim community is one of the drivers to make “hate speech” a criminal offence.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/121922974/hate-speech-law-stalled-until-after-election–no-support-yet-from-nz-first
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June 24, 2020 1:05pm
- kowtow
  
  I doubt they’ll campaign on it either . And with the absolute majority they’ll have come Sept they’ll simply slip it in early knowing the heat and anger it will generate will be gone bu the time of the next election , and any incoming gubmint of the ‘right” will be too pussy to do anything about it.
  
  Bye bye yet another basic ancient right and freedom.
  
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  June 24, 2020 1:22pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  No. If not for Winston it wouldn’t even be on the agenda.
  
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  June 24, 2020 1:50pm
- Pharmachick
  
  “Hate speech” laws are an absolute evil.
  
  We should take the Voltaire/USA 1st amendment approach, and there should be an improbably high standard for “banning” speech.
  
  Sunlight and informed debate are the best disinfectants.
  
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  June 24, 2020 1:51pm
Maggie Pie

Thort i’d share this with the group

Duck walks into a bar…
“Got any bread?”
“No”
“Got any bread?”
“No”
“Got any bread?”
“No…..and if you ask again I’ll nail your f — ing beak to the bar”
“Got any nails?”
“No”
“Got any bread?”
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June 24, 2020 1:08pm
GoVege

Burger King has a special today on 0% beef, plant based burgers.
I tried one.
The patty looks like beef, tastes like beef, has the texture of beef….I feel like throwing up!! 🙂
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June 24, 2020 1:31pm
- hullkiwi
  
  Maybe it was a CoL promise, and as usual failed to deliver!
  
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  June 24, 2020 1:57pm
- Two bob
  
  im always stumped why vegetarian /vegans say meats bad and disgusting etc yet strive to have a product look smell taste like meat??
  
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  June 24, 2020 1:58pm
  - GoVege
    
    They’re actually designed to try and wean meat-eaters off meat, two bob.
    Most of them don’t really resemble meat so I thought I’d try one.
    On this occasion I was unpleasantly surprised by the similarity to the real thing….
    I’ll stick to salad burgers in future. 🙂
    
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    June 24, 2020 3:19pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Perhaps they muddled up their burgers… and fed you the real thing.
      
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      June 24, 2020 5:39pm
      - GoVege
        
        That horrible thought occurred to me too Maggy, but hubby tried one and said it definitely wasn’t meat.
        The good news is…he liked it!
        I’ll make a vegequarian out of him one of these days… 🙂
        
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        June 25, 2020 12:44am
    - Two bob
      
      virtue signalling getting lazier?? eat a burger save the world.
      Can they do a decent steak, chop or roast yet or is it just mushy burger mince?
      
      If the world converts burger patties to synthetic meat then what happens to all the grinding meat animals like cull cows and old breading stock? just shootem and let them rot? Solving 1 problem creates a pile of new ones.
      
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      June 24, 2020 6:28pm
      - GoVege
        
        What do you think happened to all the horses we used to have before the invention of the motorcar, bob?
        Most changes happen gradually.
        We don’t in one day/week/month knock off all the animals and let them rot.
        
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        June 25, 2020 12:50am
Two bob

Decided to ask a few questions a couple weeks ago at local Department of conservation about 1080 at an area I frequent alot, were quite helpfull and answered all my questions.

well fast forward 2wks and just returned from a bushwalk in the area that got toxin applied yesterday and big wtf moment as what the public is sold and what actually happens is f**king appalling. will be returning there this wknd with gps and camera, was the an eye opener and would encourage you all to go see for yourself what we do with millions of hectares of our forests every year 🙁
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June 24, 2020 1:55pm
Happychappy

Jacinda Ardern and Ashley Bloomfield must be deluded if they think they are fooling anyone with there daily updates. It started over a week ago with Jacinda trying to cover up what happened with women Tourist that had a special exemption to travel to Wellington for a funeral of a loved one and without having been tested for CORID-19 and now after a week of not the figures asked for of 58 others that left without testing the passing of the buck has Jacinda not front the daily conference and Ashley Bloomfield continue the lies, but today after those figures that were wanted were released late last night and the buck was again to another of the Health Directors Senior members to explain today. You can tell that no one wants to confess to the fuck up or tell the truth so will pass it on for someone else to be thrown under the bus.
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June 24, 2020 1:57pm
Maggy Wassilieff

New Zealand officially has the world’s dumbest borders.

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2006/S00224/bungling-idiots-couldnt-run-a-bath.htm
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June 24, 2020 2:01pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  The thing that amazes me Maggs, is that we have so many Smart Phones …and Dumb People.
  
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  June 24, 2020 2:21pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I think what amazes me is that our media need to run polls on how to fold towels.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/latest/121913018/home-debate-is-there-a-right-way-to-fold-towels
    
    But… does your house-keeper roll or fold?
    
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    June 24, 2020 2:34pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Tatiana is Russian and is an ‘Option B’ girl.
      She used to look after my partners previous home as well.
      Such a hard worker and does anything he asks.
      
      https://i.imgflip.com/176gxh.jpg
      
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      June 24, 2020 3:22pm
      - JimBobJoe
        
        She looks after your partners Wood….thought that was your job?
        
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        June 25, 2020 5:13am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      What’s a ‘housekeeper?’
      Is that the ‘speaker of the house?’
      The one that insists I watch play school TV1 breakfast, or watch nothing?
      
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      June 24, 2020 4:14pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        The Speaker of the House is a gatekeeper.
        
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        June 24, 2020 5:37pm
RJ

Here is the Rotorua case we were expecting

New Zealand has two new cases of Covid-19, taking our total number of active cases to 12.

One of the cases is in managed isolation – a woman in her 60s who flew into the country from India on June 18 on the Air India repatriation flight AI1316.

She was staying at the Pullman Hotel in Auckland but has now been transferred to the Jet Park quarantine facility.

Health chief Ashley Bloomfield has also confirmed there is a positive case in Rotorua following the city’s Ibis Hotel being put into lockdown.

NZ Herald
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June 24, 2020 2:07pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  and you seemed to be aware of this case 2 days ago….
  what gives?
  
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  June 24, 2020 2:29pm
  - Two bob
    
    most of us were aware of it due to reading between the lines.
    Either backlog at labs or they purposly delayed the announcement to slow media momentum.
    
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    June 24, 2020 2:33pm
  - RJ
    
    It was on magic talk, I believe Tony posted about it when he heard it.
    
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    June 24, 2020 2:37pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Was that woman in her sixties a New Zealand citizen?
  Throughout this Covid 19 circus we have been given only a small part of the interesting facts.
  
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  June 24, 2020 3:05pm
  - MCos
    
    You know the criteria for entry into NZ don’t you?
    
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    June 24, 2020 4:30pm
    - Komata
      
      MCos@1630
      
      Yes, having ‘friends’ in very high places, [Deleted – Mod.] , and the ability to place large amounts of money in ‘interesting’ places….
      
      Seems to work for those that meet the requirements…
      
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      June 24, 2020 7:41pm
RJ

Oh for goodness sake. It will always be an Eskimo Pie. What’s next you won’t be allowed to buy dark chocolate, black jellybeans. Thank god those Aucklanders don’t get Jaffa’s banned

Tip Top is planning to rename its Eskimo Pie ice cream bars and remove the Eskimo from the packaging.

Companies around the world are making changes to their products and branding as part of a reckoning with racially charged logos and marketing following the murder of United States man George Floyd by police.

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June 24, 2020 2:39pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Native Alaskan Athabascans tend to get a little touchy if you say ‘eskimo’ Mostly a publicity thing at the cultural tourist shows. Very similar to some other natives
  
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  June 24, 2020 3:36pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    The word is not a slur: there exists a scientific consensus that the word Eskimo comes from the Innu-aimun (Montagnais) word ayas̆kimew meaning “a person who laces a snowshoe” and is related to “husky” (a breed of dog), and it does not have a pejorative meaning in origin.
    
    The Inuit are free to call themselves Inuit, another aboriginal culture spread through Canada called them Eskimos, so what?
    
    Woke fools manufacturing offense.
    
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    June 24, 2020 9:03pm
- Fletch
  
  I expect that the manufacturers of what are commonly called “crackers” to all change the names on their labels as, being a white man, I find the term offensive….
  
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  June 24, 2020 3:42pm
  - Harriet
    
    Thanks Fletch that’s EXACTLY the ammo we need! 😎
    
    Arnott’s Australia website and facebook is the one to hit with that — Aussies will get into them as they hate woke shit also.
    
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    June 24, 2020 4:17pm
Benedict Yu

https://interactives.stuff.co.nz/2020/06/life-in-light-traffic/

This is supposed to be a news site. Well here is my prediction: Cars will not go away in New Zealand and in 2030 there will be MORE cars on the road than today.
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June 24, 2020 3:20pm
Jack5

The Royal NZ Navy’s new supply ship, Aotearoa, is hailed by Stuff as the biggest ship our Navy’s every had.

It’s not quite as long as the battle cruiser New Zealand which New Zealand supplied to the Royal Navy before and during World War 1 (173.2 metres compared with 179m). Still it has a bigger displacement, and lower speed, as you would expect from an oil tanker/cum freighter.

HMS New Zealand was, well colonial. Can’t help admiring her eight 12in guns though. For the time, a decent bit of muscle.
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June 24, 2020 3:24pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  And HMS New Zealand had Battle Honours which could have been transferred to HMNZS New Zealand.
  
  Dogger Bank
  
  Heligoland and the biggie JUTLAND
  
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  June 24, 2020 4:44pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Awesome breakdown of leftist hypocricy. This girl nails it
https://www.facebook.com/fogcitymidge/videos/3718036744878041/
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June 24, 2020 4:07pm
cmm

Unintended consequences: St John ended up with far less ambulance calls.

Certainly some of the reduced call outs will be due to less accidents – a good thing.

But ambulance calls are a reasonable proxy for health engagement – people calling over heart concerns etc. Less ambulances surely means that many people chose to ignore signs of ill health which is going to have long term impacts further down the road.
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June 24, 2020 4:33pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  St John have decided not to be a taxi to the hospital. Emergency yes, but dehydrated with gastro, nope.
  Pay yearly.
  Bit like any other insurance – necessary
  
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  June 24, 2020 5:06pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Addition: If my kid has a sniff the ambulance can take it to the hospital – why should I pay?
    Doctor? Fuck that, this is FREE.
    You all know right?????
    
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    June 24, 2020 5:10pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/weather-news/300041176/severe-storms-could-bring-twice-as-much-rain-as-summer-in-just-two-days

So, it looks as though Northland and Auckland are about to have their current water shortages solved. Great !

Can we therefore expect that in the next 6 months or so that all Northland farmers will build dams and reservoirs and ponds, so that next year we don’t hear any similar complaints about water supply ?
That this year’s conditions have created some sort of “self-help” response ?

Will the Auckland City Council ensure that domestic water storage facilities are easy to implement?
i.e attach a rainwater tank, instal a greywater system, maybe even introduce water meters so that people take a responsible approach to water usage ( I live in Kapiti, and the only good thing the Council has done in the last 10 years was to make water meters mandatory: since their installation we have never had water restrictions and or shortages ).
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June 24, 2020 4:37pm
- Two bob
  
  the dams will be poo brown for weeks and jaffas will whinge their water crisis has had a reprieve.
  
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  June 24, 2020 8:19pm
- RJ
  
  Watch Auckland get rain, but the damns get very little.
  
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  June 24, 2020 9:13pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/121919187/final-warning-for-man-after-spending-on-company-card-snowballed-to-46000

And the point of this article is ?????????????????
Some dickhead spends a lot on a company credit card.
This must be very common.
Who cares ?
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June 24, 2020 4:40pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Just been out to my garage. Tilt door, and it has a rope with a loop in it hanging down.
Shall I cut it off? or just wait for the media?
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June 24, 2020 5:02pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Crikey Dick..
the gangs have submachine guns!
police can now confirm that one of the firearms seized yesterday was a MP38 submachine gun.

Are these still in use?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/419747/more-firearms-seized-after-further-arrests-in-mongols-gang-bust
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June 24, 2020 5:53pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Absolutely they are!
  My partner’s got an electric Airsoft 6mm that he blows apart balloons with faces drawn on them that he hangs in the trees round the pool.
  Reckons he hasn’t had so much fun since grandma died.
  LOL!!
  
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  June 24, 2020 6:58pm
RJ

Lazy bugger who did nothing under lock down throws the only person who worked is ass off under the bus

Health Minister David Clark has brutally thrown Director-General of Health Dr Ashley Bloomfield under the bus while standing right next to him, after the Government’s quarantine testing botch-up.

The Director-General of Health can’t rule out cases of COVID-19 being back in the community after the Ministry of Health failed to test hundreds of people before releasing them from quarantine.

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June 24, 2020 6:40pm
RJ

Interesting article, we need to hear more about this from other lawyers

As a young woman, I came to New Zealand eleven years ago from the Middle East to undertake my Master of Laws degree.

Early on I was struck by how rights and freedoms are so frequently taken for granted by those born in this country. Because I come from a part of the world with so few protections, fair trial rights that protect people accused of crimes – of any type – are particularly important to me.

Now as a defence lawyer, I feel compelled to explain the very damaging effects to those rights that the Sexual Violence (Legislation) Bill would inflict if enacted.

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June 24, 2020 6:51pm
RJ

Most people who catch the new coronavirus don’t experience severe symptoms, and some have no symptoms at all. COVID-19 saves its worst for relatively few.

ICU nurse Sherie Antoinette has seen the serious cases first hand.

The lucky ones — if you can call them that — recover, but not in the sense that their lives are back to normal. For some, the damage is permanent. Their organs will never fully heal.

“When they say ’recovered,’ they don’t tell you that that means you may need a lung transplant,” Antoinette wrote in a Twitter post. “Or that you may come back after discharge with a massive heart attack or stroke, because COVID makes your blood thick as hell. Or that you may have to be on oxygen for the rest of your life.”

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