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andrew davies

Pure gold from a leftie reporter about the media and modern “liberalism”. It confirms much of what us Kiwibloggers have known all along.
Sample quote:
“In a business where the first job requirement was once the willingness to ask tough questions, we’ve become afraid to ask obvious ones.”
Enjoy.
https://taibbi.substack.com/p/the-news-media-is-destroying-itself?r=1ejgy
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June 17, 2020 8:00am
- Akarak
  
  It’s not just about asking hard questions it’s also about listening to the answers.
  
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  June 17, 2020 9:41am
- Classic Liberal
  
  He still feels he needs to spend several paragraphs insulting Trump, but here are a few better observations:
  
  “the American left has lost its mind.” “The leaders of this new movement are replacing traditional liberal beliefs about tolerance, free inquiry, and even racial harmony with ideas so toxic and unattractive that they eschew debate, moving straight to shaming, threats, and intimidation.”
  
  “the Philadelphia Inquirer editor was fired for running a headline – “Buildings matter, too” – that the poll said expressed a view held by 89% of the population, including 64% of African-Americans.” [i.e. an article about looting and riots not being peaceful protests].
  
  “Each passing day sees more scenes that recall something closer to cult religion than politics. ” [He describes the crazy kneeling and feet-washing]
  
  “There is symbolism here that goes beyond frustration with police or even with racism: these are orgiastic, quasi-religious, and most of all, deeply weird scenes, and the press is too paralyzed to wonder at it. In a business where the first job requirement was once the willingness to ask tough questions, we’ve become afraid to ask obvious ones.”
  
  “The instinct to shield audiences from views or facts deemed politically uncomfortable has been in evidence since Trump became a national phenomenon.”
  
  “we may freely misreport reality, so long as the political goal is righteous. “
  
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  June 17, 2020 12:34pm
MT_Tinman

Twenty percent!

Twenty percent of working New Zealanders were employed in international tourism related activities.

Only agriculture earned more money for New Zealand.

We now have demonstrated, graphically why the dictatorship has got everything about the Covid-19 reaction so very wrong.

New Zealand must now either start all over again, this time with a reasonable and correct method of working through the virus, or sit in total isolation from tourists until Covid-19 is eliminated from the world.

For the not so bright that means New Zealand must forgo that 20% of it’s income and employment for however long it takes to develop, distribute to 8,000,000,000 people and then confirm the effectiveness of a vaccine.

This folks, this long term penury for the NZ populace, is what a large portion of the NZ voters recently polled are intending to vote for.

We, led by Mr Seymour and his opposition, need to get out there and ensure the sheeple understand this.
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June 17, 2020 8:02am
- Kiwi_in_Paris
  
  A fair description of the situation:
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMilQ7LSyWo&t=1173s
  
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  June 17, 2020 8:14am
- gorse
  
  I agree that David Seymour is now the leader of the opposition. Muller and National don’t seem to exist anymore. Simon Bridges would have been all over this. I now support an effort to roll the National leadership now.
  
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  June 17, 2020 8:28am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Muller is “all over this”. It’s just that finding the story takes some effort.
    
    National’s leader appeared on The AM Show on Wednesday morning and when asked what his Government would be doing differently at the border, he said Dr Clark must go.
    
    “For a start, the Minister of Health wouldn’t have a job today. New Zealand wakes up this morning rightly angry and furious quite frankly,” he said.
    
    “We have put, collectively, so much effort into ensuring that we were COVID free and the idea that we have clumsy and slack border approaches overseen by a minister who just has seemed to drop the ball on anything he touches. I am very disappointed.”
    
    He mentioned National’s international students policy, which would allow students to come here if they had a health check prior to departure from their country of origin, a test when they arrived in New Zealand, and finally another test when leaving quarantine.
    
    “All of that is predicated on officials being able to do their job properly and being audited.”
    
    Host Duncan Garner asked Muller if that meant if an official stuffed up while he was Prime Minister, would the minister in charge be fired.
    
    “No, what I am saying is there’s a track record here with this minister, where he just simply doesn’t grip up things that require total focus. This isn’t just your average, run of the mill Government issue of the day. We have locked down a country, we are losing 40,000 jobs a month, the impact on families in this country is extraordinary and the actual pain hasn’t really been felt yet,” Muller said.
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/06/coronavirus-todd-muller-calls-for-david-clark-to-be-sacked-over-new-covid-19-cases-at-clumsy-slack-border.html
    
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    June 17, 2020 8:36am
    - Nukuleka
      
      Sorry Tony but rabbiting on about how your brother played a gay character on Shortland St and dropping in a few Maori phrases into your speech is not about being ‘all over’ anything. Simon and Paula had metal and commitment in their blood. Muller and Kaye? Major disappointment.
      
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      June 17, 2020 8:45am
    - Blackface Twin Reverb
      
      So he’s getting the Bridges treatment from the media?
      #NotSurprised
      
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      June 17, 2020 11:17am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Seymour is not the Leader of the Opposition. He is allowed a little time in the media as suits them.
    Meanwhile a new programme is being mapped out by Todd Muller and the Nats steam roller is being readied to emerge.
    
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    June 17, 2020 8:55am
    - Komata
      
      KevOB@0855
      
      Sorry, but based on the current situation, leadership and evidence, colour me very very sceptical that the Nats will offer anything that is different from the CoL.
      
      Please persuade me that it will be otherwise.
      
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      June 17, 2020 9:08am
    - MT_Tinman
      
      Tony, Kev. It is Mr Muller’s JOB to get his message to the people.
      
      Blaming the slime pretending to be “media” is not good enough. Mr Seymour seems capable of getting his message across.
      
      Maybe Mr Muller needs to resort to something other than electronic crap that most voters pay little attention to and go back to leaflets, posters, billboards etc.
      
      In the meantime Mr Seymour IS the current Opposition.
      
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      June 17, 2020 9:23am
    - Random T Person
      
      Kev, I’m sorry, but Muller’s bumbling ineptitude is just laughable. He needs to realise details matter, and get minders who are detail oriented. Who cares how a tino rangitiritanga flag wound up upside down? Nobody cares HOW. Just that it is. If he misses things like that, he’s missing, full stop.
      Coupled with Nikki Kaye? What a disaster. That’s a leftist government in waiting. And WTF was that ridiculous ‘someone once said let’s do this. I say, OK’ rubbish? So embarassing.
      And I have voted National in the past, and would have considered National under Bridges (though I would probably have gone party vote ACT, electorate Nat). Under this lot of leftist morons? No thanks. They are as inept now as Labour is.
      
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      June 17, 2020 9:28am
    - freethinker
      
      In Parliament David Seymour despite little speaking time performs as the De Facto Leader of the Opposition as National are ineffective. Without Policies that appeal to the core National Electorate – Small Business, Farmers, Landlords and now ex Gun Owners National will continue to bleed votes hopefully to ACT and a tactical Party Vote for ACT will bolster National with policies that will benefit all New Zealanders.
      
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      June 17, 2020 9:50am
      - Sacha
        
        And I would just say: David Seymour has served a long apprenticeship and is now coming into his own as an experienced and effective parliamentarian.
        I am very sorry that he won’t be working with the Bridges/Bennet combination if the government changes in September.
        But, well done, that man!
        
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        June 17, 2020 10:32am
    - kloyd0306
      
      Nice try and your enthusiasm is admirable but misplaced.
      The polls will narrow but the sheeple will win in September.
      Get used to it.
      
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      June 17, 2020 10:23am
      - Crisplion
        
        I’m sorry to say I think you’re right Kloyd. It would be some consolation if ACT poll above 5% though, and I think that’s possible. The last poll – horrendous as it was – showed them on 3.5% and Seymour continues to impress.
        
        Party vote ACT!
        
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        June 17, 2020 11:04am
    - Nickc2
      
      Muller won’t use a steam roller, that would pollute the atmosphere with water vapor.
      
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      June 17, 2020 1:11pm
  - Two bob
    
    start emailing and messaging Simon and his supporters. after watching Muller flounder AGAIN in the media today I wrote out an email to an mp for the 1st time in my life.
    
    get typing folk, dont just whinge about it online contact direct and make some noise!!!
    
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    June 17, 2020 3:46pm
- MCos
  
  Last year international tourism contributed 20.4% to New Zealand’s total exports of goods and services.
  229,566 people are/were directly and another 163,713 indirectly employed in tourism in New Zealand – 14.4% of the total number of people employed in New Zealand.
  The annual GST paid by tourists is $3.8 billion, including $1.8 billion collected from international visitors.
  https://tia.org.nz/about-the-industry/quick-facts-and-figures/
  
  Two points
  Internal tourism is big business and likely to increase because people who might otherwise take a holiday offshore are more likely to go somewhere in NZ. It won’t compensate, but it’s something. Those ultra expensive places are really feeling the pinch.
  Money isn’t going to leave the country to the same extent as before because there’s nowhere to go.
  The banks will still be sending their profits to Oz, though, as will Countdown.
  
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  June 17, 2020 8:54am
  - freethinker
    
    MCos – whilst you are correct about internal tourism the coming recession (Depression) partially caused by a poor initial response by Govt and incompetence of officials to monitor and police quarantine will result in less discretionary income. Internal tourism will likely decline unless prices (meet the market) fall to compensate and then Gst and taxes on profits will decline, so a perfect storm. Policies that concentrate on improving productivity and removing much unnecessary legislation and regulations that hinder a natural inventiveness and adaptability on Kiwis is a requirement unlikely to be implemented by either major party, regrettably but hopefully David Seymour and a raft of new ACT MPs will be the catalyst for regeneration of New Zealand.
    
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    June 17, 2020 9:59am
    - Sacha
      
      Where are the unemployed and the people who have had to take salary cuts going to find the money for internal tourism?
      Will they load up their credit cards, or will they become more debt averse?
      No pensioner bus tours. No flying up to Auckland for a special show. No special nights out at the best restaurant in town.
      It’s back to the ’50’s folks.
      
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      June 17, 2020 10:41am
      - alwyn
        
        “Where are the unemployed and the people who have had to take salary cuts going to find the money for internal tourism?”
        Forget about them. They will be replaced by those people who haven’t taken cuts.
        Expect to see the Prime Minister and all the other Beehive drones at all the best, and most expensive, places for their breaks. They will be all the nicer with the Hoi Polloi kept away.
        After all, pay cuts are just for the common people. They don’t apply to those marvelous people in Cabinet do they?
        
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        June 17, 2020 11:03am
- Two bob
  
  remember it was not so long ago the greens and labour were calling to reduce farming and invest heavily in tourism… imagine the fallout now had we done that in a hurry.
  
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  June 17, 2020 12:46pm
Jacinda Ardhern

When will this nightmare end????
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June 17, 2020 8:02am
- krazykiwi
  
  You get to vote on that in September.
  
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  June 17, 2020 8:06am
- JibberJabber
  
  It`s only just begun,
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD-E-LDc384
  
  Grip your pillow tight…Take my hand
  We’re off to never-never land
  
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  June 17, 2020 8:06am
- cmm
  
  The SARS-CoV-2 will never end. It will morph, but not end.
  
  But the nightmare is a different matter. That is manufactured fear. That will end when we all realize that CV19 is just another disease that we must coexist with.
  
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  June 17, 2020 8:07am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    As the rest of the world is realising.
    
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    June 17, 2020 8:15am
  - Simon
    
    BLM riots, vandalism & looting ended the Wuhan virus scare.
    
    Now the MSM trying to get the second wave underway. And just like clockwork the CCP suddenly find another 50 cases & have to close down Beijing.
    
    So much bullshit. Socialists will stop at nothing.
    
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    June 17, 2020 8:20am
- artemisia
  
  Ms Ardern takes everything ‘very seriously’, so we’re all good.
  
  For the minority with critical capability it takes very little to tear down respect and trust. Otherwise spin works well.
  
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  June 17, 2020 8:19am
Maggie Pie

My partner was wondering if Steven Joyce will appear in the next NBR Rich List?
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June 17, 2020 8:03am
- cmm
  
  Well his lawyers will.
  
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  June 17, 2020 8:05am
- peterwn
  
  I think I have read Bob Jones right – according to Bob NBR has published its last rich list.
  
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  June 17, 2020 8:07am
  - Bill Felt
    
    The rich list ended he day Ardern and her socialist mates started destroying the country!
    
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    June 17, 2020 9:09am
  - Paulus
    
    Good, I now do not have to wonder why my riches have not been recognised.
    
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    June 17, 2020 9:49am
- Paulus
  
  The damages awarded were only expenses as decide by the judge – Stephen asked no damages.
  
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  June 17, 2020 8:36am
  - Random T Person
    
    Yep, this was about Steve Joyce’s reputation, not his bank balance. More respect to him.
    
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    June 17, 2020 9:30am
Old White Loser

Political language… is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.”

– George Orwell
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June 17, 2020 8:03am
Luke Piewalker

Just checking … how’s that SFO investigation going Winston?
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June 17, 2020 8:04am
- igm
  
  How is taxpayers’ $158,000 Winston?
  
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  June 17, 2020 8:40am
JibberJabber

Poor Jacinda, it`s hard to soar like a Turkey when you’re surrounded by Dodos’.
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June 17, 2020 8:04am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Ah, but she’s revamped the party…
  she’s #1 Henny Penny in the chook house.
  
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  June 17, 2020 8:18am
- Left Right and Centre
  
  That’s a very Mauritius – I mean vicious comment.
  
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  June 17, 2020 8:19am
- Paulus
  
  Bloody frightening when you see the incompetence’s that will be back in September.
  Be very afraid.
  She has no leadership skills – basically piss and wind with a false smile – Key and I suspect Muller would have made some big sharp chops by now in Government (or opposition if required as Key did on more than one occasion).
  
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  June 17, 2020 8:40am
krazykiwi

WWJD [where J=Jacinda]. Her saviour fantasy is at risk from new infections, but re-enacting containment measures on 5 million already grumpy and now better informed NZers risks a backlash. She has only a couple of options in my view.
(a) brush it off as inevitable, we planned for this, we’ve still beaten the virus, ie sticking to the message despite the facts. She has ‘form’ for this, or;
(b) Putting the election on hold. Constitutionally difficult, but again, she has ‘form’ for trampling over our rights in pursuit of power
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June 17, 2020 8:05am
- Sacha
  
  (a.1). . . . . .or: we can’t be responsible for Other Countries who let us down because they aren’t as focused as I.
  
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  June 17, 2020 10:47am
- Crisplion
  
  I hope she goes for option b but I doubt she will. Things are as good as they’re going to get for her right now. I think she’ll want to get the election done and dusted before the full extent of the economic catastrophe becomes impossible to hide.
  
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  June 17, 2020 11:10am
TWEEDSE

“PM ‘frustrated’ she’s still on full pay despite promised cuts”.

I can quite understand her frustration and in effort to help our dear leader, I have email her my bank account to transfer $60,000 over to me. Should be in my account tomorrow morning so drinks all round.

Gosh, she is just so wonderful.
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June 17, 2020 8:05am
- JibberJabber
  
  Pretty rich really, considering the minute she left the podium she issued instructions that any motion to cut pay be vetoed in the House.
  
  Rhymes with, pants on fire…
  
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  June 17, 2020 8:23am
  - Simon Gotlieb
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Got any proof of that?
    
    Because as far as I understand, the legislation enacting pay cuts passed back in May. The problem doesn’t seem to be the politicians here.
    
    Save for criticism for actual real stuff.
    
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    June 17, 2020 8:36am
    - [moderated]
      
      https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/04/david-seymour-calls-on-government-to-explain-ministerial-pay-cut-plan-following-veto-to-proposed-bill.html
      
      Yep. Plenty.
      
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      June 17, 2020 8:50am
      - Akarak
        
        Everything she says is a lie!
        
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        June 17, 2020 9:50am
    - cmm
      
      We all know there’s a problem with enacting pay cuts and they all knew it too.
      
      That was why the promise was pretty hollow. It’s just like Pike River and all those promises – bullshit that they know cannot be delivered on but they still make theire “at least we tried” noises.
      
      As for being fuster-aided, why? She should know how long it takes for the wheels to turn. It is pretty silly for her to be fuster-aided by something like this.
      
      She could however do something like donate 20% of her income to a worthwhile cause.
      
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      June 17, 2020 9:15am
    - amospicton
      
      The point is that there was nothing stopping her donating the extra pay that so frustrated her to the IRD or to charity.
      
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      June 17, 2020 9:26am
  - Simon Gotlieb
    
    So far, the only politician with any credibility on the whole pay cut thing, because he’s the only one who’s actually taken one, is Simon Bridges.
    
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    June 17, 2020 8:37am
    - MCos
      
      With his family he might qualify for WFF now.
      
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      June 17, 2020 8:57am
    - amospicton
      
      David Seymour
      
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      June 17, 2020 9:27am
- yossarian
  
  I’ve on my 10th week at 80%, our company that employs around 250 staff were able to set this in about a week.
  
  I see that the person organising this pay reduction is an ex-Labour hack, whats the bet they were hoping this will all blow over and we’d all forget about it?
  
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  June 17, 2020 8:36am
- Random T Person
  
  How hard would it be for her to pay 20% of her salary straight back into IRD’s account? Answer: not hard. But as always, before doing, leftists want a law that coerces everyone into doing, rather than leading by example.
  
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  June 17, 2020 9:31am
  - Two bob
    
    Yeah but paying direct back to ird would mean they would have overpaid their paye… and god forbid a socialist ever pay more tax then they have too!!! They like others to pay more tax not their own.
    
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    June 17, 2020 12:52pm
    - Random T Person
      
      Had a perfect example of that locally – a nice lady I know saying she wouldn’t mind paying more tax so it goes to those less fortunate.
      But though she could quite easily do so, she did/does not. Instead, she wants a law compelling all of us to do the same before she reaches into her own pocket.
      The first part, of course, was trumpeted on Facebook (around the time of the CGT debate and the report of another local, Michael Cullen, on the topic).
      Pure and simple virtue signalling. And of course that person wouldn’t have been affected by CGT anyway – so, in effect, quite happy to reach into someone else’s pocket.
      
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      June 17, 2020 2:48pm
      - Two bob
        
        No one gets any where giving money away, same goes for govt.
        
        the biggest acts of kindness ive seen in recent months have come from those less fortunate and hard done by yet they still give and help where they can.
        
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        June 17, 2020 3:52pm
Happychappy

A great article on NZ Bonds from Interest NZ this morning and a lot of comments worth reading.
https://www.interest.co.nz/bonds/105527/treasury-issues-7-billion-bond-received-14-billion-worth-bids-annual-government-bond
Yesterday there was one Economist preaching that the total borrowed by this Government is very close to 200 billion dollars so god help the youth of this decade and probably more that have to pay for this Governments poor decision making.
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June 17, 2020 8:08am
- Tall Man
  
  Nothing wrong with borrowing as such but what these twits have done is the equivalent of grabbing a mortgage then giving up work and living off the money without buying the house.
  
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  June 17, 2020 8:57am
fernglas

Does the Ministry of Health have the capacity to track down everyone with whom these two women had contact, including all those who were in isolation with them and were released, those with whom those people had contact, MoH officials and their families and contacts, and those with whom they may well, despite assurances, have contacted during their journey?
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June 17, 2020 8:09am
- G152
  
  Just look at those who admitted them.
  As in most things I rather suspect a bit of not what but who.
  
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  June 17, 2020 8:20am
- Paulus
  
  There were two Covid19 teens also who did a bunk to Hamilton, or whatever its now called, a couple of days ago but that was hushed up.
  
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  June 17, 2020 8:42am
- freethinker
  
  Fernglas – 6 Staff working 8 Hour shifts alternate days would do the job, and still leave them time to attend the office and continue polishing their seats.
  
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  June 17, 2020 10:19am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Teflon Trump.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8422311/Republican-Party-official-say-expect-Donald-Trump-win-LANDSLIDE.html?ito=facebook_share_article-top&fbclid=IwAR0H0zM8doMR04rlOilC0VSDpmMkrJpS44WzFNH5i55Ti70YiNWqwUVPcSc
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June 17, 2020 8:12am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Donald Trump is so far behind in the polls it reminds me of the night he won the Presidency
  
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  June 17, 2020 8:22am
  - JibberJabber
    
    https://twitter.com/DanScavino/status/1272877867404267522
    
    LoL, 100% chance Hillary Clinton will win 2016 Looool.
    
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    June 17, 2020 10:05am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    That never gets old 🙂
    
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    June 17, 2020 2:14pm
- Inandout
  
  Steve, Trump had 800,000 requests to attend his next rally. Chaz, now Chop, is basically an enclosure in Seattle inhabited by children at play.
  
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  June 17, 2020 8:33am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I think that number was inflated, and corrected to 400000. Could be wrong.
    But hey, the stadium only holds 19200!
    Yuge
    
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    June 17, 2020 10:17am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Btw, see all of those boats on Trump’s Birthday and America Flag Day. 14 different locations, one had over 2000 boats. Flags everywhere. I like that stuff
    
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    June 17, 2020 10:19am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Sounds like it is now over 1 million
    
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    June 17, 2020 2:10pm
greenfinger

The Prime Minister of “shoulda, coulda, woulda”. Shoulda got to 100,000 kiwibuild homes, woulda lowered child poverty, coulda wiped out COVID-19. She is so quick with that political speak – “system failure“, “not acceptable”. What does it even mean. Two got through the net. It is a “royal balls up”, that is what this is. Don’t blame the case officers. They were simply applying the overarching principle – “be kind” – by “royal decree” of the Princess, right? Now, we swing to the other extreme because this has embarrassed her. So now, we won’t be kind anymore. No more exemptions all due to their own screw up. But did I mentioned that everyone still gets to keep their jobs. Yes, yes, yes, Clarkie, that goes for you too.
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June 17, 2020 8:14am
greenfinger

Ashley Bloomfield may think he is smarter than everyone in the room but boy, he lacks some very basic common sense. He accepts that the two COVID19 cases didn’t make a pit stop on the Auckland-Wellington road journey. Really? How many cars on this planet can make that trip on a single tank of fuel? What they don’t teach at medical school…
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June 17, 2020 8:16am
- Simon Gotlieb
  
  Um… about 25-30% of them apparently…
  
  it’s not like it’s something impossible, like Lundy’s trip to Palmerston and back from Welly, without breaking the speed limit (actually, I heard that an uncalibrated speed camera caught him in the Horowhenua but wasn’t allowed into evidence but that’s another story).
  
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  June 17, 2020 8:39am
- Inandout
  
  green; if we are looking at 650km at say 6.6l/100km, 55 litre tank, take 7-8 hours. Well my car could easily do it, but without a toilet stop? Pull the other one.
  
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  June 17, 2020 8:45am
- Benedict Yu
  
  It is 642 km. Many late model cars with a 50 litre tank could easily make that trip if you drove conservatively. If it was a hybrid it would be no problem. The latest corolla hybrid has a range of 1000 km.
  
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  June 17, 2020 8:46am
  - Paulus
    
    Any reasonable diesel would make it too.
    A VW Golf diesel I once had would put 1200kms on the full tank.
    
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    June 17, 2020 9:53am
  - Crisplion
    
    Yes. It’s the capacity of the human bladder rather than that of a modern car’s fuel tank that gives me pause on this story. But maybe they just squatted on the side of the desert road or something.
    
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    June 17, 2020 11:18am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  There are plenty of cars that can make that trip on one tank. 20 years ago I actually did the return trip on one tank (diesel).
  
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  June 17, 2020 8:46am
  - Tall Man
    
    I think the “tank” under the belly button is the one at issue 😉
    
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    June 17, 2020 8:59am
  - lifesgood
    
    Yeah but how many bladders?
    
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    June 17, 2020 9:22am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      yup, i have yet to meet a middle aged woman who could go for more than 2 hours in a car without a toilet break!
      
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      June 17, 2020 9:47am
      - Two bob
        
        yup most women ive traveled with stop every and town to piss and every other for a drink!!
        
        Plenty of fast food etc on the way, I wonder if our incompetent govt think to check the womens bank transactions?
        
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        June 17, 2020 12:58pm
- oldfella
  
  Were they warned to avoid contact with other people?
  Were they told to pee beside the road, not in a public toilet or at a gas station?
  Were they told not to stop and fill up their car with petrol, or buy coffee or food along the way?
  Yeah, right. Who told them what, and when?
  Love to see a lot more digging into what exactly happened here because I suspect that a lot of what we’ve heard so far is pure BS and butt covering!
  
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  June 17, 2020 8:50am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Maybe these selfish people did not make the journey alone?
    Might have been other family members/friends in a separate car along with them to stop for supplies and pass them on.
    Not sure how that would help with toilet breaks but thousands of freedom campers use bushes on the side of the road with impunity,
    
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    June 17, 2020 10:30am
  - Surely Knott
    
    I’d love to see some paperwork. Surely there is a signed release form and government checklist and protocols. They said that the test they got in wellington was part of the release plan. Where is that release plan? Did the women have to sign something promising not to stop on the way? Did they sign something saying they had no symptoms? The paperwork should be public. What are the penalties if they didn’t adhere to it? For walking in the Waitakere’s and potentially spreading Phytopthora it’s $20,000 Sounds like no one in quarantine is getting checked.
    
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    June 17, 2020 2:47pm
- cmm
  
  The car, maybe.
  
  A 40 year old woman???
  
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  June 17, 2020 9:18am
- cas
  
  I presume they were in contact with someone when they got the car or was it magically outside the hotel with its car keys in it ( wiped of course).
  
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  June 17, 2020 10:35am
  - alwyn
    
    If it was a rental, and that is probably the case since they had only recently arrived in the country, it would have been delivered with a full tank.
    Anyway the fuss about a car doing it on a single tank of gas is a furphy.
    I have a Honda Accord. It has a 60 litre tank and on a long trip I use about 7.5 litres/100 km.
    The range is therefore about 800 km. It is an easy run on a single tank.
    
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    June 17, 2020 11:13am
Swifty

I’d like to make a point about the modern perversion of the phrase ‘the public service’ as I could, of course, about the left’s wilful misuse and perversion for political purposes of the words ‘crisis’, ‘neglect’, ‘austerity’ etc.

Some quick questions:

Is the act of providing food for our tables considered a ‘public service’?

Are the people who build the houses we live in considered ‘public servants’?

Do the people who make and sell us the clothes on our back perform a ‘public service’?

The answer to all three questions is of course no. Not by modern usage anyway. Modern usage of the phrase ‘public service’ means anyone employed by the state.

So, who performs a ‘public service’ by that definition nowadays?

The people at the HRC who are paid handsomely to lecture us that men can believe themselves women and if we think otherwise we are bigots?

The university professors and lecturers who actively campaign and push for both the removal of the right of employers to set their own pay offers as well as policies which relentlessly seek to enlarge the state?

The comfortably-upholstered public broadcasters who constantly present views favourable to the left?

I could go on and on. The answer to all these questions is, of course, a ‘yes’.

Please keep this in mind when you next hear Labour MPs or their allies wanting to ‘strengthen public services’ – it is but a euphemism for shovelling even more money into an already bloated and rapacious state and which, in many cases, works against your interests.
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June 17, 2020 8:20am
- Tall Man
  
  “Public service” is what you to do to allow others to service you.
  
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  June 17, 2020 9:01am
- Swifty
  
  And look what’s just happened to this vital ‘servant of the public’:
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/prosper/your-stories/121807505/inland-revenue-penalises-small-business-for-late-lockdown-payment
  
  Haven’t seen too many HRC, Sociology staff or public media luvvies punished like this of late……
  
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  June 17, 2020 9:08am
- cmm
  
  Public service means exactly what it says.
  
  The public is serving the bureaucrats.
  
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  June 17, 2020 9:19am
KevO'Brien

Who is running the protest movement? They are too well organised for mere rabble rouses.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/whitney-do-deep-state-elements-operate-within-protest-movement
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June 17, 2020 8:20am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Democrats – funded by Soros
  
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  June 17, 2020 8:24am
  - Nickc2
    
    and ANTIFA.
    
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    June 17, 2020 1:38pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      antifa is funded by Soros
      
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      June 17, 2020 2:11pm
- Justitia
  
  Yes Kevin I agree. The global protests are too well organised and coordinated to be the spontaneous work of local groups. In New Zealand’s case many of those at the head of demonstrations appear to be recent immigrants or “refugees”. I suspect there is a good deal of money from certain foreign “religious charities” involved as well as potential donors like Soros’ Open Society Foundation and maybe even CCP money. After all China is now getting a free pass on coronavirus, the Uighurs, the suppression of Hong Kong, organ harvesting and aggressive military moves against Taiwan and India and in the South China Sea. It seems we are perfectly happy with all that but feel we must sit in judgement on every police killing in the US. Our security intelligence people should be keeping a very close eye on these protests. New Zealand is heading for major social upheaval as the Depression bites which will be readily exploited by forces hostile to our way of life.
  
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  June 17, 2020 8:42am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    I’m more inclined to think the big corporates are tucked in somewhere. That act like Barons but take no responsibility except to their managment/top owners. Neo feudalism?
    
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    June 17, 2020 1:27pm
- emmess
  
  Like the Umbrella Man in Minneapolis
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD4CMw5CUKg
  
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  June 17, 2020 9:02am
- freethinker
  
  Can you think of a rich persons name that reads the same forwards & backwards – hint his first name may be George.
  
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  June 17, 2020 10:32am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    My name is not George
    
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    June 17, 2020 3:10pm
- Fletch
  
  I see that Zero Hedge and also The Federalist have been demonitized by Google and marked as racist for daring to question the BLM protest narrative…
  
  https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/google-bans-two-websites-its-ad-platform-over-protest-articles-n1231176
  
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  June 17, 2020 10:35am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    I’m defunding Google. I don’t need their products.
    
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    June 17, 2020 1:29pm
krazykiwi

Oh dear, the international media are not only sniggering as Ardern’s rapidly-dulling halo, they’re also saying it wasn’t deserved in the first place.

New Zealand is no lockdown success story

There is no greater pin-up in the fight against Covid 19 than Jacinda Ardern, the Prime Minister of New Zealand. The fact that two Brits appear to have spoiled her country’s 24 -day record without a new case of the disease has merely served to underline her reputation as the leader who, through timely and proportionate action, succeeded in limiting Covid-19’s toll in New Zealand to just 1504 cases and 22 deaths.

No doubt it helps among her Left-wing British admirers that she once served as President of the International Union of Socialist Youth – she is everything that, as far as the liberal-left believe, our own cavalier, laissez-faire and inward-looking government is not.

But it is absurd to compare the UK response to Covid-19 with that of New Zealand. A densely-populated country at the heart of international commerce was always going to be more deeply affected than a country out on a limb in the southern ocean, 1000 miles from any other landmass.

If New Zealand was going to be devastated by an epidemic of anything it would be scrapie, not Covid 19 – even after a sharp reduction in recent years it still has 27 million sheep, nearly six for every man, woman and child. Its largest city, Auckland, has a population of just over 400,000, compared with London’s 9 million.

New Zealand is a country of rural settlements of low-density suburbs where social-distancing come naturally – as opposed to Britain where huge numbers live in tightly-packed housing and commute on crowded tube trains.

Moreover, when Covid-19 arrived in New Zealand it did so in the middle of summer, when viruses have the lowest chance of spreading.
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June 17, 2020 8:22am
- Swifty
  
  ‘Scrapie’ – heh heh.
  
  BTW – Auckland’s population is 1.6M or thereabouts.
  
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  June 17, 2020 8:27am
- Cassandra
  
  I think the author is confusing Auckland and Wellington. Is the profession of sub editing no longer in existence? Or do publishers expect their writers to actually know what they are writing about?
  
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  June 17, 2020 8:41am
  - calendar girl
    
    Regardless of the publishers, I expect their writers to know what they’re writing about. That ‘mistake’ on the part of “The Telegraph” is not readily excusable on the part of one of the UK’s up-market publishers.
    
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    June 17, 2020 9:59am
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  A lot of what you say rings true, except Auckland’s population in closer to 1,500,000.
  
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  June 17, 2020 8:47am
Maggy Wassilieff

To stay coronavirus free, countries face unsustainable social and economic losses

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/16/outbreaks-in-beijing-and-new-zealand-highlight-perils-of-relaxing-rules
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June 17, 2020 8:22am
Maggie Pie

Watched a travel doco on Prime last night with Joanna Lumley.
Tried to think who she reminded me of.
I’ve only just realised, she looks like a younger version of Kate Hawkesby.
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June 17, 2020 8:24am
- krazykiwi
  
  Here she is, as a younger version. I remember The New Avengers well.
  
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  June 17, 2020 8:29am
  - rockape
    
    Her Dad was an ex Gurkha and she did a lot for them insuring their soldiers got the pension like their counterparts.
    
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    June 17, 2020 5:36pm
- Inandout
  
  MP, Kate is a nice person but no way like Lumley in the looks department.
  
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  June 17, 2020 8:56am
- MCos
  
  Ms Lumley was 70 when she made that doco.
  
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  June 17, 2020 9:03am
- Scooter
  
  Are you and Joanne besties?
  
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  June 18, 2020 5:16am
oldpark

What a shame and an indictment of NZs Peters selected PM . Known as “Auntie Cindy Ardern “control freak . When the bad news was being released that a couple of people in Coronavirus Quarantine had been allowed out to travel to Wellington without being cleared and checked by her much vaunted Health Department.
With her halo starting to slip with her overall control of the game plan to keep all arrivals into NZ to be Quarantined until cleared.
Instead of fronting up and face her adoring Media alongside her companion over many weeks Ashley Bloomfield with the advent of the bad news she ducked for cover and threw that nice wee man Ashley Bloomfield under the bus to face the music and please explains of what the **** happened .
She also was now been referred to acting like Mairzy Doats and Dozy Doats and Little Lamzy Divey confirming out her track record of being suffering from
“Obsessive Compulsive Disorder” .In fact afraid to face the truth that her desire to be all things to all people in NZ had taken a hit .,
Even worse instead of facing the Nation of NZ as PM and Leader she scuttled off to “Facebook to virtually hide the truth of the cockup .
Was interesting to see the number of downticks her once adoring followers were giving her .
Think at last the Nation has finally come to the conclusion you can’t fool all of the people all of the time . Not even “Auntie Cindy Ardern control freak” .
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June 17, 2020 8:27am
- yossarian
  
  Aunty Jacinda = Uncle Joe
  
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  June 17, 2020 8:38am
  - freethinker
    
    Yossa – Or Cindy MUGABE or Cindy Maduro?
    
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    June 17, 2020 10:38am
- Inandout
  
  oldpark, heard the new Covid lady on radio warning us of two new cases and don’t forget to ‘record your movements’, It has started and I think Cindy has some more reasons to lock us up again.
  
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  June 17, 2020 8:59am
Aunty

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Some recent reporting of the unfortunate Swedish experiment published in the prestigious British Medical Journal in the last few days, with some useful independent commentary from a retired British medical worker. He does raise some rather concerning but valid points about the morality of the situation in Sweden. Thank God wiser heads prevailed in New Zealand and the baying of the highly-strung and panicked hysterics for a similar approach here was ignored.

The link to his Youtube video is first.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4SQ-NOV-iU

https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m2376
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June 17, 2020 8:28am
Happychappy

Have you ever seen a Health Minister in NZ History make so many mistake in epidemic or pandemic in vaccines or rules and still have a job. Jacinda and David Clark must have a plan on how the can pass the buck as the incompetence of either of them must send bad vibes every time they open their mouths to those qualified in medicine in NZ.
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June 17, 2020 8:28am
- Maxx
  
  David Clark this morning said he’d been let down. That’s because he is a let down. What motivation do people in the health ministry have to strive to go the extra mile when he can barley turn up. He doesn’t even warrant the talent to sit on a backbench, and here he is, leading one of our most important ministries.
  
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  June 17, 2020 8:55am
- Left Right and Centre
  
  I’ve never looked up David Clark . . .
  Studied theology and philosophy at Otago.
  Ordained minister 1997. Career in church, went back to do a PhD, public sector jobs, MP 2011-
  
  And he’s the minister of health?
  Clark, Ardern, Robertson. Career in public sector / politics and nothing else. 3 of a useful idiot BA degree kind.
  
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  June 17, 2020 9:03am
- Jimmy White
  
  With our Health Minister it’s not “Pass the Buck” but “Get the wether to front”
  
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  June 17, 2020 9:13am
- freethinker
  
  Happy – Listened to Mike Hosking’s eviscerate Clark this morning, time for David to pray to his God or any God(Sky Fairy) to deliver him from oblivion.
  
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  June 17, 2020 10:41am
- Nickc2
  
  I think David Clark is untouchable. He knows where all the Labour Party skeletons are buried and they’re not all under Cindy’s office carpet.
  
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  June 17, 2020 1:51pm
Paulus

Ashley is nowreally in the gun not The Clark in Holy Orders (correct legal term I believe) known as Health Minister – what a laugh !
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June 17, 2020 8:46am
Left Right and Centre

UK white people:
UK non-white: I want to pull down statues.
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June 17, 2020 8:46am
Maggie Pie

For those still interested in following this little Twitter ‘spat’, here’s an update from my yesterdays post…. 😛

https://twitter.com/PeeblesHooper/status/1272777843349413889
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June 17, 2020 8:47am
- Tall Man
  
  You need to get out more.
  
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  June 17, 2020 9:07am
Tricati

Meningitis saga and its impact on Northland children, measles epidemic and we send it to Samoa with devastating effect, lack of PPE (especially in elderly care facilities), insufficient covid test kits, removing of funding Keytruda cancer drugs and no explanation why; and that just of the top of my head – The current Minister of Health is an absolute disaster, and the fact he is still there, is a real reflection on a) lack of PM leadership and b) no other talent.
I suggest, if you look at other Ministers and their portfolios, you would find the same shambles, and yet they get a free pass for the adoring media.
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June 17, 2020 8:50am
- seismac
  
  many of those mistakes and failures were associated with wait for it Ms Julie Anne Genter yes the on-your- bike lady
  It all points to a bunch of no hopers voted out in Sept Yesssssssssssssss
  
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  June 17, 2020 3:43pm
Durden

Its clear that Jacinda is distancing herself rapidly.

St. Ashley Blooming Failed came across like an idiot. His spin about the two women who were so special that they got dispensation to “responsibly” go around without spreading the virus is full of lies.

The coverup is always worse than the crime.

Watch every part of his story unravel. From–one of them had symptoms but thought it was due to other reasons, they travelled to to Wellington without coming into contact with anybody, shat in the woods, went hungry all the way, did not even stop to fill petrol, AND met only a single person on arrival into Wellington.

Yeah nah!

Who were the women, who were they connected to, and why were they so special that St Ashley did not have to signoff on the very few exemptions they claim are being allowed. Or if exceptions were the norm until recently how many others, like the teenagers who gave the slip and were later re-captured and quarantined, were allowed to roam free and “seed” the virus?

Five million of the team want to know the answers.

Does any reporter have the cojones to ask/investigate the questions or have they had their mouths stuffed with a part of the $50 million handout?

Having been handed a virus-free country by the people, the government machinery had one job. Control the border tightly. They failed. No amount of ducking from Jacinda will alter the fact that the self-congratulatory PR gloating aside, her and her officials failed to deliver yet again.
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June 17, 2020 8:59am
- Jimmy White
  
  I would say that during our Heath Ministers RNZ interview this morning he said “I haven’t got that data/information” 20 times.
  
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  June 17, 2020 9:16am
- Two bob
  
  1 of the teens didnt return to isolation. cant remember the term used but it raised an eyebrow when I read it.
  
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  June 17, 2020 1:06pm
- calendar girl
  
  Well said, Durden. Exactly what Leader writers should be expressing in our major media.
  
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  June 17, 2020 1:07pm
Maggy Wassilieff

It’s just not our PM who is fustraded…
Dr Clark is also…

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300036393/coronavirus-health-minister-david-clark-frustrated-over-quarantine-mess

Gosh, it’s hard work being Team Captain when your players are dolts…….
still, a little bit of leadership wouldn’t go amiss, would it?
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June 17, 2020 9:01am
- Maggie Pie
  
  My partner bets that somewhere on SH1 between Auckland and Wellington, there’ll be a Covid infected wee.
  
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  June 17, 2020 9:06am
Maggy Wassilieff

Interesting technique being employed by Labor

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/warnings-that-ethnic-communities-are-being-exploited-through-branch-stacking
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June 17, 2020 9:05am
- Tall Man
  
  Labour here are much more sophisticated, they cut through the dross and just buy the votes. After all, who wants smelly workers at their wine and cheese evenings FFS!
  
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  June 17, 2020 9:09am
- Swifty
  
  It’ll be happening here too – because people have long understood the value to themselves and others of getting into politics, with all the favours that can be subsequently bestowed.
  
  It pains me to admit that the older I get the more I can see and understand how rotten and corrupt our politics have become – a system that I long championed as the cleanest in the world.
  
  And, while I do find fault with both sides – it is of course the left who are most to blame.
  
  They are the ones who actively pursue a larger state. They are the ones who seek more and more control over our daily lives. They are the ones who constantly press government for more favours for their supporters. They are the ones who call for more and more of New Zealanders money to be taken and given to them. They are the ones who constantly scream for more taxes to be used to further swell the state sector in order to grow their union memberships.
  
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  June 17, 2020 9:21am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    My view of politics:
    All politicians may not be corrupt but they’re certainly in it for personal benefit.
    Therefore a smart vote is for the people who want to limit political control over us as that limits the amount their corruption/self interest affects us.
    
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    June 17, 2020 10:14am
    - Swifty
      
      That’s my view too.
      
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      June 17, 2020 10:57am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      I think that with the exception of NZF and a few long-time Labour MPs almost all NZ politicians are in parliament with a genuine ambition to improve NZ. But the bigger the country the less true that will be. The numbers of top level sociopaths that get into politics rises with the size of the country.
      
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      June 17, 2020 1:18pm
KevO'Brien

“Following the Prime Minister’s announcement, New Zealand is now at Alert Level 1. Find out what this means for you and your business.”
Govt propaganda from: info.business.govt@ub.comms.business.govt.nz

A well oiled promo machine for Queen Ardern is spending that $50Bn of our kids future.
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June 17, 2020 9:07am
oldfella

So, NZ Woman’s Weekly may be saved after all by new owners.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12340529
Wow, wonder which smiley, frowny, noddy, local politician might welcome a few ‘kind’ colourful, sycophantic cover stories in the lead up to the election?
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June 17, 2020 9:09am
- MCos
  
  Jacinda Ardern,
  Todd Muller,
  Nikki Kaye,
  Paula Bennett is an outside prospect
  Mike Hosking.
  Hard to imagine Simon Bridges will be in top demand
  
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  June 17, 2020 11:55am
lastmanstanding

A real Leader fronts the bad news and the good news. A fake Leader only fronts the good news.
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June 17, 2020 9:13am
oldfella

Seems the international BLM protests/riots/statue topplings are starting to wane.
Race riot and looting tend to break out every few years in the US, and I’m sure the Dems hoped they’d continue right up to the elections as a way to hurt Trump. Wonder what they’l try next?
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June 17, 2020 9:14am
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh whew, Dr Siouxie Wiles explains it all…
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/did-two-new-covid-19-cases-slip-through-cracks-dr-siouxsie-wiles-reveals-more-details

How she got hold of personal information… that one woman is an asthmatic and that her asthma worsens when she arrives in NZ… is not for plebs like me to wonder.
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June 17, 2020 9:15am
- oldfella
  
  Why are we hearing it from her? And how did she find out? Did she receive the okay from Bloomfield to release this private – confidential – information?
  
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  June 17, 2020 9:30am
- Jules99
  
  Sounds like she’s been primed with what to say. A sharp veer out of her lane as a microbiologist. I advise her to stick to her knitting.
  
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  June 17, 2020 10:54am
  - Paulus
    
    She must be pissed off she was not listed by the Labour Party for this election – better luck for 2023.
    
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    June 17, 2020 1:48pm
- Pharmachick
  
  Ah, time to stick to the (? ? )… microbiology.
  
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  June 17, 2020 11:49am
- Two bob
  
  “The two women done everything right” WTF kind of spin is that.
  
  its ok ppl if you have covid drive the length of the north island and lie to officials about rest stops and interactions, the pink haired lady said its the right thing to do
  
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  June 17, 2020 1:17pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  It also seems that she has breached confidentiality and probably ethical standards and an occupational requirement as to secrecy. If she is a Public Servant there are other fences too she may have breached.
  
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  June 17, 2020 2:04pm
MCos

I see Sweden is about to register five thousand COVID-19 related deaths with 940 new infections yesterday.
Yesterday’s two new cases in NZ has made me realize they were right all along.
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June 17, 2020 9:17am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  It is no over till the fat lady sings
  You didn’t mention how many deaths per Million Belgium, UK, Italy,and Spain are sitting on compared with Sweden.
  Sweden sits 7th on the list of deaths per million.
  “Yesterday’s two new cases in NZ has made me realize they were right all along.”
  Maybe in a decades time whilst you are sitting contemplating, Sweden will have herd immunity for a decade and NZ is in lock down looking for a vaccine.
  The lockdown started out to have enough ventilators available, it is now about total elimination, which is just pure fantasy and bullshit.
  Protecting anyone under 50, you may as well close down the country for the flu season each year.
  You will save more lives.
  
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  June 17, 2020 11:46am
  - MCos
    
    Maybe in a decade’s time I’ll be dead from other causes.
    
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    June 17, 2020 11:58am
  - SGA
    
    Sweden sits 7th on the list of deaths per million.
    
    Technically – if you discount San Marino and Andorra (combined population less than Dunedin) it’s fifth.
    But that’s only part of the story. Sweden has been steadily leap frogging its way up that list over the last 4-6 weeks. Not so long ago it was lower than Ireland and the Netherlands, then chased down France, and now seems to have its sights set on Italy and Spain.
    As you say, it ain’t over until the woman of generous girth warbles.
    
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    June 17, 2020 1:35pm
brett68

I get it that Todd’s angle for the election this year is the economy and that’s where he believes the election will be won.

Does he not see the contradiction in attacking the government for lax Quarantine process and then in the same breath mention that we need a trans-Tasman travel bubble as soon as possible and that international students should be allowed to enter because greatest economic crisis in a generation

BORDERS ARE TOO LAX.
LETS OPEN THEM MORE.

This is the same thing that Bridges did, trying to play both sides of the fence, it makes you look untrustworthy and disingenuous.
Pick one position and stick with it especially in the same interview.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/419180/government-slammed-after-new-covid-19-cases-revealed
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June 17, 2020 9:24am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  No..
  Suzy Fergusson tried running with that one on RNZ Morning Report.
  
  Muller made clear that the Borders need to be well monitored… the fault is not that folks can enter the country… The fault is that this Government is allowing infected people to enter and move through the country without checking if they are virus-free.
  
  We can’t close NZ off for ever.
  
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  June 17, 2020 11:06am
  - Swifty
    
    The key distinction.
    
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    June 17, 2020 11:16am
- Classic Liberal
  
  National has been saying open the borders and limit lockdowns as much as we can do *safely*. You might have heard of testing and quarantine, Brett?
  
  But leftards don’t get that. My painfully leftard friends still believe Taxinda has saved thousands of lives, and any more economy-friendly lockdown would have been murder! Allowing all safe businesses instead of what Taxinda deemed ‘essential’ would have been sheer killing!
  
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  June 17, 2020 1:05pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  How many fences are you playing on?
  
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  June 17, 2020 1:59pm
curry4me

Consequences For The Left
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLqL_Dkqpts

Disbanding the police has not gone down well with Joe, and Jane six pack.
Who’d have guessed it? The Dems, and blue state mayors have moved from defunding, to budget reductions.
Meanwhile the CHAZ terrorists are still in place. Truckers don’t want to deliver to
Blue cities where there are no police to protect them. Nobody wants to be the guy who loses
His cargo. Everyone who can will leave.
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June 17, 2020 9:28am
- freethinker
  
  Lets see how Chav terrorists respond to the 10,000 Hairy Bikers headed their way.
  
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  June 17, 2020 10:59am
curry4me

India and Australia Lead #Boycott China Movement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJgWq0RIwnY

The CCP virus has damaged Chinas image. Australians are asking each other
To leave the ‘Made in China stuff on the shelf. The ‘Global Times’; a CCP mouth piece accuses
Australians of over reacting. Australian social media is full
Of #Boycott China posts. The ‘Global Times” had a melt down
When India did this earlier. The CCP is rattled by these sentiments. The
Presitator won’t be sending Scomo, or Modi
A Christmas card this year. Modi supports self sufficiency so supply
Chains can be re-directed. He has said nothing about boycotting Chinese goods.
The Confederation of All India Traders wants to avoid large purchases from China
By 2021. This commentator definitely has a few clues. It’s good to have a fresh perspective.
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June 17, 2020 9:29am
- oldfella
  
  ‘China is asshole.’ And will stay that way until the corrupt, totalitarian CCP is overthrown, or at least pushed aside by the people of China.
  Can’t see it happening, but…
  
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  June 17, 2020 9:42am
- freethinker
  
  The CCP is making China a Pariah state Globally, no need for tariffs or sanctions just avoid buying made in China goods, no demand means no supply required.
  
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  June 17, 2020 11:02am
Maggie Pie

Siouxsie Wiles displays racist attitude in relation to new Covid outbreak –
tells ZB News “…she can see Chinks in our armour”
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June 17, 2020 9:38am
- Komata
  
  Maggie Pie@0938
  
  Tardish ‘Oi’!!
  
  (And BTW, your age is showing; just saying 🙂 )
  
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  June 17, 2020 11:04am
  - stigie
    
    Damn, i thought she was young and getting down and dirty..?
    
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    June 17, 2020 1:17pm
I remember when

WLM:
White Inmates are much more likely to die in jail than blacks or hispanic prisoners.
In 2016 whites, at 240 per 100,00 white inmates, were more than double blacks, 118 per 100,000, and almost three times hispanic , 87 per 100,000.
Death in Custody Reporting Programme:
The report stated that suicides accounted for 31% of prisoner deaths from 2000 to 2016.
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June 17, 2020 9:48am
- Classic Liberal
  
  I’m not against allowing murderers to commit suicide, actually. I know it’s not the christian tradition, but in some cultures if you have committed a terrible crime, suicide is the only proper path.
  
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  June 17, 2020 1:09pm
- Two bob
  
  dont tell the left or BLM how many were shanked and killed by blacks.
  
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  June 17, 2020 1:20pm
I remember when

Souxsie Wiles explains it all.
Another flaming red herring!
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June 17, 2020 9:49am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://babylonbee.com/news/antifa-member-lectures-d-day-veteran-on-how-to-fight-fascism?utm_content=bufferace4a&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer&fbclid=IwAR2Ju2lZmwrNqz4CDPialKr4NASAZW-jLoeLdgE6pBiwLTylRmxrQUjEoaA
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June 17, 2020 9:50am
- emmess
  
  Unfortunately, that is not parody anymore.
  
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  June 17, 2020 11:02am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yes, “Down with Fascism” said the Fascist.
    I guess it was more to show the hypocrisy of antifa
    
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    June 17, 2020 11:57am
- Brian Marshall
  
  The thing about all the crazy shit going on in the world at the moment, is that satire sites like the onion or bablonbee come up with some article and we laugh. Then reality comes up with an example of the satire for real. ?
  
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  June 17, 2020 11:29am
Fletch

I see that Parliament has blown $572,000 on a playground, including over $200,000 on a slide….

Parliament’s new playground is a monument to extravagance and waste with revelations it cost $572,000 and went 43 per cent over budget, National’s State Services spokesperson Nick Smith says.

“Spending $242,000 on a slide is scandalous. The $180,000 on consultants is equally outrageous. The civil works involved minimal earth moving, yet came to an excessive $171,000.

“I built my own children’s playground in Nelson with a playhouse, slide, two swings and a climbing frame for $5000, or one hundredth of the cost. There are good quality playgrounds built all around New Zealand for $50,000 or a tenth of the cost.

“This half a million dollar extravagance on Parliament grounds is an insult to the thousands of playcentres, kindergartens, schools and other children’s organisations that scrimp and save for playgrounds across the country.

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2006/S00147/parliament-playground-blows-budget.htm

As Hosking pointed out on the radio, just imagine what $500,000 could have funded, like life saving?
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June 17, 2020 10:40am
- Fletch
  
  ps, I must have missed this on the TV news last night…
  
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  June 17, 2020 10:55am
  - calendar girl
    
    Only ‘woke’ reporters on duty last night?
    
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    June 17, 2020 1:40pm
- rangitoto
  
  What’s the problem? It’s other peoples money. Cindy can just slap on another fuel tax.
  
  PS. How do I get to be a consultant for one of the CoL’s projects.
  
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  June 17, 2020 11:06am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  You had a $5000 budget, the Govt budget is unrestricted
  
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  June 17, 2020 11:21am
- Ron Jeremy
  
  Our now biggest income earner agriculture only got 500k for drought relief in Hawkes bay . Disgraceful.
  
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  June 17, 2020 12:27pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Typical of this govt-Other people’s money has no concern to them. The Act supporters all provide it or Robbo gets it from his mate at the Reserve Bank.
  
  Get them out before NZ’s permanently broke.
  ☑️☑️NZ needs National NOW☑️☑️
  
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  June 17, 2020 1:55pm
brett68

Another thing Todd has to be very careful about in his “unrelenting” focus on the economy is that he’ll come across as only really caring about business and not giving a fuck about the health and safety of New Zealanders.

The vast majority are happy that the borders are closed and don’t want to see 10’s of thousands of foreign students flooding back into NZ anytime soon or throwing open the borders to tourists.

Sure, our economy has taken a huge hit, but people except that, I think Todd really has to take that into account when he speaks on the economy, opening up NZ anytime soon is voter poison, I hope Todd understands that.

What I’d like to see from Todd his plan on how we can get the economy up and going within an environment that has a tightly controlled border.
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June 17, 2020 10:56am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Foreign students are the lifeblood of some of our universities. With proper quarantine and testing, there is no reason not to have them back in NZ.
  
  I don’t think any sensible kiwis accept the economy tanking. Economies support lives.
  
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  June 17, 2020 1:13pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Who gives a flying fuck about our universities? They’re not turning out a product fit for purpose. Just look at the Labour front bench. F_wits the lot of em!
    
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    June 17, 2020 2:07pm
  - IC5000
    
    Correction, foreign students trying to get permanent residence through education are the life blood of dodgy business ‘institutes’.
    
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    June 17, 2020 2:11pm
    - brett68
      
      This.
      The whole foreign student education is nothing more than a backdoor work visa scam.
      
      Everyone couldn’t understand why with near-zero unemployment, why peoples wages weren’t increasing, this is the reason why.
      
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      June 17, 2020 2:43pm
      - Two bob
        
        can agree with you for once.
        
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        June 17, 2020 4:00pm
  - brett68
    
    Fuck the universities.
    Foreign students only come to NZ for the three-year work visa, no other reason.
    
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    June 17, 2020 2:40pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  How you propose to make good the loss from international visitors and students?
  
  Todd & his National colleagues understand that money earned provides for those generous payments to all and sundry offered for vote buying at present. It also is what pays for health, unemployment, benefits and pensions.
  
  Spending without earnings is possible until lenders run out of time and costs rocket on the way to destination Venezuela.
  Money earned provides real care. Unearned money spent provides despair.
  A govt only concerned about feelings is on it’s way to a disaster.
  
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  June 17, 2020 1:46pm
Maggie Pie

Does anyone know what ‘a butter & egg man’ is?

Asking for a friend.
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June 17, 2020 11:00am
- freethinker
  
  A coalition minister.
  
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  June 17, 2020 11:06am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  A sugar daddy
  a FWB
  
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  June 17, 2020 11:11am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    LOL! Thanks Maggs.
    Just called my partners sister to let her know.
    She went on a Tinder date last week, and that’s how one of her friends described him.
    Funnily enuff, when she asked my partner to run a Rego check on his Merc for her, turns out it was only a lease car anyway.
    Can’t see there being a second date any time soon.
    
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    June 17, 2020 12:26pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      It was so much easier in my day when we were told to go for a Hawkes Bay sheep farmer….
      So I went to Massey…
      
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      June 17, 2020 12:40pm
- cmm
  
  Hint: Beat until stiff.
  
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  June 17, 2020 11:50am
Swifty

See how far the rot has spread.

A private and voluntary organisation, going about their private and voluntary matters and look:

“I know there are several golf clubs where there is that sort of Western culture but is this really what we should expect in New Zealand?

“It’s a social injustice, and it definitely feels like a form of discrimination.

“Why are these clubs or institutions ALLOWED TO EXIST under these current policies?”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/golf/121848605/south-auckland-royal-golf-club-rules-of-12-references-elitist-and-ridiculous

There you have it. I am very confident this gentleman is not by any means alone in New Zealand in believing the government should control private organisations in NZ. They they should be free to dictate what private individuals do and how they organise themselves.

Note of course we’re not talking about illegal organisations, harmful activities or people with nefarious intent. No, we’re talking about a private golf club and its members.

“I don’t approve of what those people are doing (willingly and voluntarily and with no harm to others) so I call on the power of the state to make them stop and start doing things that I do approve of.”

What a stupid, ignorant and dangerous line of thought by that gentleman. He should be ashamed.
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June 17, 2020 11:07am
- cmm
  
  That’s where we are in the black is white, up is down, world we live in today.
  
  The top cop and gangsters have weekly strategy meetings, but people innocently wanting to have a round of golf are being treated like criminals.
  
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  June 17, 2020 11:49am
- alex Masterley
  
  The real issue is not that he can’t get 12 referees from within the club (and even though i know a few members at RAGGC i couldn’t pull that number together) is why he would want to join the place. It’s full of its own self importance and the rebuilt course is too long and too dificult for mere mortal hackers like me.
  
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  June 17, 2020 1:08pm
I remember when

Why don’t Labour understand the problems of the working class anymore.
Once upon a time everyone went to the same local school.
Once upon a time they lived in much the same part of town.
Once upon a time people largely went directly from school to employment.
Once upon a time they played in the same teams, drank at the same hotels, worked on the same working bees.
They understood the problem because it was often to their disadvantage too.
Nobody went to University to study politics!
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June 17, 2020 11:12am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  But once upon a time there were divisions within our community…
  
  check out who became the Plods in the Army during WW2 and who became Officers….
  Definitely helped if you had a Private school background.
  
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  June 17, 2020 1:17pm
- chukar
  
  Has the public service ( inc local gvt )suffered job losses, salary cuts etc Nope.
  Increased wages and many more jobs are the rule.
  If we had a right wing opposition there could have been the prospect of sharing NZs pain. after September.
  But again Nope
  
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  June 17, 2020 7:00pm
Maggie Pie

#BREAKING
Man accused of murdering Epsom Brothel owner in March of this year, can now be named…..
Jiann-Hwa Maa has pleaded not guilty to the charge thru his Mandarin speaking interpretor.

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1273013940218286080

Surplize surplize.
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June 17, 2020 11:23am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Truly fucked in the head:
https://twitchy.com/brads-313037/2020/06/16/now-your-cereal-is-racist-disgraced-british-ex-politician-is-accusing-kelloggs-of-racism-due-to-its-mascots/?fbclid=IwAR3fKMmXYntzyJAiwISO-BXx9xGjXD63NWV76WHZXcSx8N0tD45slPVGVFE
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June 17, 2020 11:27am
- Fletch
  
  This anti-racism BLM protest jag is like a virus – spreading everywhere. One could even say it is more virulent and causes more devastation than the corona virus itself for the harm it is doing in society.
  
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  June 17, 2020 11:31am
- Swifty
  
  Hahaha – some great replies to that one.
  
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  June 17, 2020 11:50am
Maggy Wassilieff

Looks like Trevor will be busy in the House today organizing cover for his incompetent mates.

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/order-paper-questions/list-of-oral-questions/oral-questions-17-june-2020/
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June 17, 2020 11:37am
- cmm
  
  Sounds like a good day to call in with a headache.
  
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  June 17, 2020 12:04pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Sad that more questions are not asked of the PM. It is way past the time she was put on the spot and thoroughly grilled about her constant lies
  
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  June 17, 2020 12:24pm
cmm

So Dexamethasone has been proposed as the new Covid wonder drug.

This is, apparently, far better than HCQ because it has none of the terrible HCQ side effects everyone was so worried about and it is a well proven drug.

Except, of course, bullshit.

Dexamethasone has a much longer and more dangerous list of side effects than HCQ.

Dexamethasone was only approved ten years ago as opposed to HCQ being around for 40+ years and being used by millions of patients every day.

Therefore HCQ is an incredibly well understood, and therefore safe, drug than Dexamethasone.

But, of course, Dexamethasone was not given a semi-endorsement by Orange Man Bad, so it will be judged by completely different standards.

https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/profs/Datasheet/d/dexmethsonetab.pdf
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June 17, 2020 11:46am
- MCos
  
  If a nervous layperson looked at the possible side effects for every medication prescribed by a doctor they’d probably never take anything.
  One of the long term medications I take for epilepsy has a list as long as your arm.
  When my condition first came to light the actual side effects of the medication initially prescribed on me made it’s use untenable so alternatives were tried until something that worked was found.
  There was a lot of alarm raised about HCQ due to side effects. I’m not a medical person, but I’m guessing that they were real, but rare. Same with dexamethasone.
  The real issue is whether either of them is effect in alleviating COVID-19 and in that respect political views have no place in the determination.
  
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  June 17, 2020 12:35pm
  - chaos
    
    I looked at the side effects for one of the pills I take once, it was listed as instant death. I stopped looking at the side effects after that.
    
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    June 17, 2020 1:37pm
  - Pharmachick
    
    Yeah anti-epileptics are nasty drugs with terrible side effects. Also, they’re massively variable among Px requiring the neurologist to most often take and try, wait-and-see; try again… approach. Congrats on getting settled into a drug and dosage that suits you and works clinically.
    
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    June 17, 2020 2:12pm
- Pharmachick
  
  Dexamthasone is a reliable drug, with specifically glucocorticoid effects, and does not affect the mineralocorticoid system (excellent news: very little kidney involvement so fewer hypertensive and urinary elimination issues). Taken chronically, Dex is problematic, but that’s true of all steroids that chronically cause fat redistribution to face and back of neck, metabolic dysregulation, and some liver issues.
  
  The common side effects of Dex are a laundry list of non-specific sequelae (e.g. “headache” is diagnostic of precisely nothing … I often use the following example when I teach “Maybe your drug is causing a headache, or maybe you’re just sick of listening to me for 2 hrs in Pharmacology lecture today”. It generally gets a laugh.). The uncommon side effects are a laundry list of associative events.
  
  The Oxford study (6000 Px on which these data for dexamethasone) is strong – well designed and analyzed and not over-stated results/conclusions.
  
  cmm – CQ (and to a lesser extent HCQ) is dangerous PRECISELY because its so old: it would never be approved today (well, maybe HCQ would). FDA revoked compassionate/urgent exemption of both for COVID just yesterday due to lack of safety, and efficacy profile. Public Health Agency of Canada declined entirely to grant a compassionate/urgent use application last week. CQ and HCQ have, as a colleague on a conference call said last week “been trotted out for ever infectious outbreak for the last 20 years, based on dubious in vitro data, and no proper, well designed clinical studies”.
  
  I appreciate the Datasheet – its fairly good.
  
  Here I’m linking to the monograph (for the tragics like me that want the full set of information that approving bodies (FDA, EMA, Pharmac, PHAC etc) require [PDF]) and also a link to a more easily digestible Wiki (which I have read, and is accurate).
  
  https://docs.boehringer-ingelheim.com/Prescribing%20Information/PIs/Roxane/Dexamethasone/Dexamethasone%20Tablets%20Solution%20and%20Intensol.pdf
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dexamethasone
  
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  June 17, 2020 2:10pm
  - Pharmachick
    
    PS Dex is old – it was first approved in 1961 … not “10 years ago”. Do try to be accurate (hint: google is your friend).
    
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    June 17, 2020 2:26pm
  - Mike
    
    We are very fortunate to have you supply some informed commentary to counter the usual Kiwiblog tide of bullshit about Covid-19.
    Now do internal use of bleach and UV light…
    
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    June 17, 2020 2:40pm
    - Pharmachick
      
      LOL … thanks for that. laughs-out-loud are few and far between these days!
      
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      June 17, 2020 3:39pm
- Jules99
  
  Either way, the drugs are only given over a few days at most, and under close medical supervision. I say we let front line staff decide when faced with an emergency situation where ‘evidence’ appears to be changing on the daily basis.
  
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  June 17, 2020 2:35pm
  - Pharmachick
    
    In some ways yes (i.e. in the initial stages of a global pandemic, front-line doctors throw the kitchen sink at Px and try to save them, which is heroic and as it should be.).
    
    Not anymore, now we have the ability to take a more measured view of medical records and drug use etc… no more kitchen sinks and a few more targeted lasers please.
    
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    June 17, 2020 4:04pm
cmm

We have a $140bn debt coming our way. What does that look like?

If we took $140bn of silver coins (you know, the 1 oz silver coins preppers love), you’d need abount 5.5 billion of them.

If those silver coins were placed along SH1 from end to end there would need to be 110 rows of them. It would cover a strip 4.4 metres wide.

Basically one whole lane, covered from Bluff to Northland, in silver coins.

Do you want me to tell you what it would look like in $10 notes?
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June 17, 2020 12:02pm
- Two bob
  
  Yes every denomination please.
  
  btw the way our economy and money printing is going those preppers will be the only ones left with anything of value.
  
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  June 17, 2020 1:31pm
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    Well, if we are going to use it to cover a state highway, perhaps very large denomination notes printed on very durable material would be best.
    
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    June 17, 2020 2:42pm
Tricati

One issue that is slipping under the radar is the is appears Tarrant legally bought his guns and ammunition, added by very slack Police vetting of his referees.
Once his licence was approved, the Order in Council signed by Ardern in December 2018, allowed Tarrant to legally buy multiple weapons and large quantities of ammunition to carry out his horrific attack.
We as tax payers have spent close to $500 Million to buy back guns from legal firearms owners, and yet we have had a year of one of the most fire arm related criminal incidents on record, and yet no real media attention.
The fact that rural folk can now legally purchase semi-automatic weapons for pest control would suggest the buy-back scheme is one of the most expensive ‘virtue signalling’ acts by this government.
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June 17, 2020 12:13pm
- cmm
  
  As much as I like to put the boot in to Labour, you are incorrect in one of your points.
  
  “Once his licence was approved, the Order in Council signed by Ardern in December 2018, allowed Tarrant to legally buy multiple weapons and large quantities of ammunition to carry out his horrific attack.”
  
  No, incorrect, the Order of Council did not suddenly allow people to buy multiple weapons and ammo. That was always the case.
  
  If you have an A-Cat gun license you can buy all the ACat guns and any ammo you want. Buy 20 ACat rifles and 20,000 rounds of ammo? Sure no problem if your ute has tough enough springs and enough money in your bank account.
  
  He only needed one firearm (he used 2) and less than 200 rounds of ammo. That’s nothing. I’ve bought 2000+ rounds in one hit. Many shooters would buy more.
  
  Don’t fixate on the guns and ammo. The important part is to vet the people.
  
  If he had only been allowed to buy 1 rifle and 50 rounds a day he’d have been able to stock up in less than a week.
  
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  June 17, 2020 12:59pm
- MT_Tinman
  
  Given that many of those rural people needing to buy new rifles will be those that handed in their guns the buy-back scheme was, in fact, just another tax.
  
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  June 17, 2020 1:16pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Strange – I thought the job of the media was to report the news. Silly me. Katie Bradford must have taught them.

https://va.news-republic.com/a/6838611273773482502?app_id=1239&c=fb&gid=6838611273773482502&impr_id=6838726191382759686&language=en&region=us&user_id=6812462772605961221&fbclid=IwAR2-WPs_bLZwkHx4rt_6scCVNUqkiZlJFHG0bQ87B94v8WTg5Za-2w2Z3D8
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June 17, 2020 12:18pm
Maggy Wassilieff

At last..
this farcical quarantine is about to be investigated by the Chief Ombudsman
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/419184/covid-19-isolation-and-quarantine-facilities-to-be-inspected
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June 17, 2020 12:55pm
Bobba Fret

What is the big announcement that Jacinda is doing at 1:30pm today?
Magic Talk are going live to it.
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June 17, 2020 1:19pm
- Prince
  
  Something about how she is udderly this and absoludely that, and something’s gone wrong and it’s all the opposition’s fault.
  
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  June 17, 2020 3:27pm
SB2

Meanwhile, Trump’s Covid US fiasco continues unabated,

Coronavirus outbreak

‘An American fiasco’: US hits grim milestone of 2m Covid-19 cases
Pandemic has devastated US, but experts warn lack of testing and early reopening mean ‘we’re only seeing the tip of the iceberg’

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/11/us-covid-19-cases-2-million.

Makes the latest NZ reappearance look like a tiny pinprick in the great scheme of things.
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June 17, 2020 1:21pm
- Swifty
  
  Oh dear.
  
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  June 17, 2020 2:02pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  are you even aware that states’ governors control most of what is going on in the United States? Too trop de TDS, c’est vous…
  
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  June 17, 2020 9:07pm
MrTips

Ides of June, Ashley
You must have seen it coming
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June 17, 2020 1:29pm
- chaos
  
  No because the wonderful team of million beat covid, our communist leader said so when putting the military in charge of quarantine.
  
  Hmm a comment from stuff on their live blog on the communist leaders speech makes me think we could see a new case soon
  
  * To the person who commented on our blog in regards to the student at South Seas, could you please email us at newsroom@stuff.co.nz. *
  
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  June 17, 2020 2:19pm
fernglas

It is utterly wrong that the Ministry of Health cannot be trusted to enforce the borders. If they can’t, why are we paying them? That said, I was in isolation and it was very poorly organised. Why no tests for those without symptoms until just the other day? Why no control over mingling between people at different stages of isolation?
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June 17, 2020 1:44pm
freemark

Unbelievable. Have just seen the PM express confidence in the great job Clark has done through the great Panic, and take a swipe at the opposition. Never have I seen so many words, so few answers.
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June 17, 2020 2:08pm
- chaos
  
  Maybe she means through the labour youth camp picnic
  
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  June 17, 2020 3:12pm
kwkiwigirl

How many temp workers made the call to stay on in New Zealand with the lockdown, instead of returning home? Is it 3000?

Well their decision is paying off now with the government throwing them $37m of taxpayer money in allowances. ie $12,333 per temp worker if the number’s 3000. Well done there. And this is to hold up people in tourism, an industry that is not going to recover for a very long time, several years I’d say.

I guess next thing Ardern will be granting them all permanent residency off the back of this. Good bang for your buck, 2 year temp work visa ->residency. Just surmising there…

That mayor of Queenstown is a very good campaigner for his town, most of the money will go into his town. He seems to yelp the loudest. I guess it’s survival of the fittest out there at the moment.
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June 17, 2020 2:17pm
Maggie Pie

Just got this txt thru from Ma…
‘gawd that new guy sounds as weak as nuns piss”

Can only assume she must be watching Question Time.
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June 17, 2020 2:19pm
- chaos
  
  Nuns piss? Maybe she’s watching a porn version of the sound of music?
  
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  June 17, 2020 2:20pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Nasty, nasty Prime Minister…

trying to blame the opposition for the Min of Health balls-up.

“There has been significant pressure coming in from a wide range of quarters, not least from some of my colleagues on the other side of the house, to widely expand our borders. We have always said that we needed to be cautious, I utterly stand by that.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/419210/two-new-cases-leaving-isolation-an-unacceptable-failure-of-the-system-ardern
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June 17, 2020 2:30pm
- chaos
  
  And she told a great joke in question time about what a great job the health minister was doing, she is a pathological liar
  
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  June 17, 2020 2:39pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Opening the borders to travelers has no risk if they institute competently administered 2 week quarantine. But as we all know asking for competence from the coalition is too much to hope for.
  
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  June 17, 2020 3:19pm
- JimBobJoe
  
  The standards Micky savage ran this line this morning in a post… no surprise the head of xxing took the same line…..
  
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  June 17, 2020 3:37pm
Maggy Wassilieff

NZ falling under the Jacboot

The Prime Minister said she is appointing assistant chief of defence Air Commodore Darryn Webb to oversee all quarantine and managed isolation facilities.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/419210/two-new-cases-leaving-isolation-an-unacceptable-failure-of-the-system-ardern
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June 17, 2020 2:53pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh dear, Oh dear…

Are we being told a load of porkies?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/121857737/coronavirus-national-mp-claims-in-parliament-women-with-covid-got-lost-and-stopped-on-drive-from-auckland-to-wellington
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June 17, 2020 3:20pm
- chaos
  
  Do we ever expect the truth from this lot, liars, incompetent and more than happy to take the credit for others work while they sat on their fat butts doing nothing
  
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  June 17, 2020 3:30pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  That is very interesting. I hope Woodhouse can prove it as even David Clark and Winston says they are concerned about this if true!
  
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  June 17, 2020 4:00pm
- chaos
  
  * But with questions surrounding the women’s account, Lance Burdett, an ex-police negotiator, has called on authorities to look at video evidence to make sure they’re telling the truth.
  
  He told the Herald he would be hesitant to say the pair didn’t stop anywhere and authorities need to determine whether they are trustworthy.
  
  “It would be a long shot anyway but you’d have to know the route they’d taken.
  
  “In the first instance what I’d do is re-interview the pair, but doing an interview that is called an investigative interview. You outline the information you want and in this case the gravity of the situation. But you do it in a conversational format.”
  
  Burdett says while the pair have done nothing wrong, their story contains a number of holes that need to be checked out and video evidence would be able to help identify if the truth is being told.*
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12340693
  
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  June 17, 2020 4:07pm
- DeepBlue
  
  “Clark said he was assured they were the kind of people who had demonstrated they had followed protocols in place.”…
  
  Who are these special women who have been trusted so much? I can’t see how such assurances can be made.
  
  And what self respecting 40 or 30 yo woman would accept peeing or pooping in the roadside grass as a protocol?
  
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  June 17, 2020 4:25pm
Maggie Pie

Tuned into QT a bit late today – they were already at Question 11.
The thing that really caught my attention, was the ridiculous ‘black hair dye’ Greens list MP Gareth Hughes puts on his beard. It looks sooo FAKE!
Surely, he of all people, must realise the amount of dangerous chemicals stuff like that contains?
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June 17, 2020 3:35pm
- chaos
  
  Not true, the beard is real, the person it is attached to is fake
  
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  June 17, 2020 3:48pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Trevor Mallard providing Cover for the Min of Police today:

Hon Gerry Brownlee: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I think that’s an unreasonable interpretation. This is a serious, serious matter. Fifty-one people got killed by a gunman who may have had a licence that he shouldn’t have had. He was able to procure guns because he had that licence. It’s a serious, serious matter. For the Minister to fail to answer and simply ask the Opposition a question, and then for the Opposition to, in response to his really unacceptable approach, be penalised, I think does not bear fairness to the wider New Zealand public who want an answer.

SPEAKER: Well, I think the member would have had an answer if he didn’t stand up and yell at me. It’s a matter of learning.

Hon Gerry Brownlee: Your sensibility is more important than the public knowing what actually happened—unbelievable.

SPEAKER: The shadow Leader of the House will stand, withdraw, and apologise.

Hon Gerry Brownlee: I withdraw and apologise. I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I take your point, but this is a particularly important matter. It’s one that had the whole country gripped with some fear, particularly where I live, for some time. It would seem that while you may have been offended by the reference to you, an apology for that might have been more appropriate than allowing the Minister to skirt off answering the question.

SPEAKER: I’ll make it clear: it wasn’t even the reference to me; it was the fact that the member stood up and started yelling. I mean, it’s just not acceptable behaviour in the House. The member knows that it is not, and, if he wants me to support him to get answers, as I was trying to do, then he needs to learn not to stand up and yell.

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20200617_20200617_04 Q7
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June 17, 2020 3:37pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Having the Speaker defend their fellow MPs makes a mockery of the role:
  
  The Speaker chairs meetings of the House. To ensure the orderly flow of business, the House observes parliamentary rules and traditions, both written and unwritten. The Speaker must interpret these rules impartially to maintain order and to defend the rights and privileges of MPs. The Speaker chooses who will be invited to speak in debates so that business is conducted in an orderly way. To do this fairly, the Speaker must balance the interests and demands of MPs from all political parties, before deciding who will be invited to speak next.
  
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  June 17, 2020 3:55pm
- Two bob
  
  why cant we have an independant speaker of the house? Why does it have to be a biased c**t?
  
  if govt and mps are doing their job with honesty and integrity they should have no worrie answering and shouldnt need protection.
  
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  June 17, 2020 4:56pm
  - Mike
    
    I think the Speaker should be nominated from the opposition ranks, but elected by the whole house.
    
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    June 17, 2020 5:38pm
mandk

The bias in the media is breathtaking.

Some stupid reporter was more keen on insinuating that Woodhouse is defaming the two women than on establishing what he knows: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12340760
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June 17, 2020 4:02pm
WaveyDavey

The next time we hear bleating about how maori get treated more harshly in the courts point them to this:

White imbecile coughs in supermarket quite rightly goes to jail – for 16 months mind you

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/121839999/christchurch-supermarket-cougher-sentenced-for-lockdown-prank

Maori woman spits at AT staff leading them to be quarantined gets… wait for it… ta-da…

40hrs community service

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/121861616/coronavirus-woman-sentenced-for-spitting-on-auckland-transport-staff

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/121104906/coronavirus-police-seek-two-people-involved-in-spitting-incident-on-auckland-train

…this f*cking country
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June 17, 2020 5:33pm
- chaos
  
  The 16 months wasn’t for coughing, it was for other charges so you cannot compare.
  
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  June 17, 2020 6:38pm
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Yep. My mistake, sorry about that and well spotted
    
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    June 17, 2020 8:48pm
    - chaos
      
      Not your mistake, the media has been pushing that and it isn’t until you look you see they are deceiving
      
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      June 17, 2020 9:18pm
chaos

Oh for goodness sake, piss off you stupid pretend woke person

“ A disgraced UK Labour MP has launched an attack on Kellogg’s Coco Pops, questioning why they are marketed with a brown monkey when the brand’s Rice Bubbles have white children on the box.”

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2020/06/disgraced-uk-mp-blasts-kellogg-s-as-racist-due-to-monkey-on-coco-pops-box.html
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June 17, 2020 6:13pm
- chaos
  
  Love the replies
  
  https://twitter.com/Fiona_Onasanya/status/1272557664921440259
  
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  June 17, 2020 6:27pm
lifesgood

Well. well. well all you naysayers. Todd Muller was absolutely brilliant in General Debate today, completely nailed it. Go and have a look.
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June 17, 2020 6:25pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20200617_20200617_08/tab/video?page=5&mode=form
  
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  June 17, 2020 8:02pm
Happychappy

More bad news for the Government but will they come clean.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=12340756
Auditor General slams Ashley Bloomfield over PPE gear and mixed messages
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June 17, 2020 6:30pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Ouch. Dr Bloomfield’s halo just slipped a bit.
  
  [The AG] identified a number of significant holes in {the MoH] PPE management during the Covid-19 pandemic, including:
  
  • That it didn’t know how much PPE it had
  • How much had expired
  • Mixed messaging led to confusion
  • Different DHBs having inconsistent information
  • There hadn’t been a national stocktake since 2016
  • It didn’t know how much PPE would be needed
  • Its demand model didn’t take into account many frontline healthcare workers
  • That there were gaps in planning
  
  So, how many lies were calmly and smoothly delivered at Cindy Kindy time?
  
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  June 17, 2020 7:05pm
chaos

David Clark has to go, moron. Just remember if this was a national govt those idiots in labour and their trolls would be demanding the health minister fired and the pm stand down

* Newshub can reveal another serious blunder by health officials who have failed to follow their own rules.

A group of around 10 people, who were in quarantine in Christchurch, were allowed out early to attend a funeral with more than 150 people on Tuesday.

That’s despite the Ministry of Health announcing nine days ago that such exemptions were no longer permitted – leaving a funeral director and his team thoroughly perplexed.*

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/06/coronavirus-another-ministry-of-health-botch-up-as-group-of-10-let-out-of-quarantine-early-to-attend-burial.html
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June 17, 2020 7:00pm
RRM

As a National/Act voter I’m resigned to a big election loss in September 2020. The Jacinda love is just too strong. Everything national throws at her bounces off.

But at least there will be a FABULOUS side-show, in the form of the Waiariki seat:

HANNAH TAMAKI vs TAMATI COFFEY

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rotorua-daily-post/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503438&objectid=12340627

The hidden voice of Māori arch-conservatism and homophobia, colliding head-on with the flamboyant, smart-arse public face of the Māori “rainbow community.”

I’m expecting it to be spectacular. Claws out, and handbags at twenty paces.

No idea who will be the winner, but no matter what happens dignity will be the loser.
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June 17, 2020 7:00pm
- chaos
  
  As a national voter I’m not seeing a loss and can easily see that national can win this election.
  
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  June 17, 2020 7:33pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Grief… it’s Keystone Cops and A Comedy of Errors all at the same time….

Six people abscond to go to funeral, two still missing
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12340820
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June 17, 2020 7:15pm
- chaos
  
  More and more is coming out Clark has to go, but he’s not the only one, his boss needs to answer serious questions now
  
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  June 17, 2020 7:24pm
chaos

More coming out

* A member of an Auckland gym is believed to be the person who “kissed and hugged” the two women who tested positive for Covid-19 on their way down to Wellington.

According to a Facebook post by Felicia Alkin, the owner and founder of the Lioness Gym for women, the unnamed member was in contact with the two women on Saturday and did not know they were positive until Tuesday afternoon, a post from the gym claims.*

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12340830
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June 17, 2020 7:47pm
- Prince
  
  And know it comes our the MOH knew this on Tuesday, but continued the ‘drove straight to Wgton’ lie.
  
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  June 17, 2020 10:11pm
info@cruzpro.com

Just a thought… If it turns out that the courts decide that the government had the right to quaranteen individuals but did not have a legal right to lock down the entire country can thousands of businesses file small claims lawsuits against the MOH to try to recover some of their lost income?
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June 17, 2020 7:51pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Woodhouse was on the money

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/121857737/coronavirus-ministry-of-health-confirms-women-with-covid-got-lost-and-stopped-on-drive-from-auckland-to-wellington
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June 17, 2020 8:27pm
- Prince
  
  Yes, and now all those Labour shills who were screaming ‘Liar’ and now screaming ‘He should’ve gone through the appropriate channels’.
  Those would be the channels who were lying to us, after knowing the true facts on Tuesday afternoon.
  When did the minister know ? The PM ? Bloomfield ?
  Hard to believe the ministry did not inform them on Tuesday, but they stuck to the lie.
  
  So here we are with a Govt that quite simply tells us lies to hide the level of its own incompetence.
  
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