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Maggie Pie

A bestie from LA tweets…
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZcEIpDWsAAc1Sb?format=jpg&name=900×900

(Thort I’d share it early before mikey gets his ass out of the sack 😀 )
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June 3, 2020 8:04am
- Jacinda Ardhern
  
  Kiwiblog does get the Labour Party spinners up early in the morning to downtick any comment which makes good practical sense.
  
  There seems to be a team of at least three. I bet they are salaried staff on taxpayer’s money 🙁
  
  Without Kiwiblog I guess these folk would sleep in until midday. Their heads would explode if they ever discover ‘You Stupid Boy’ blog 🙂
  
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  June 3, 2020 8:12am
- graham
  
  Strangely, “LGBT Pride”, “Gay Pride”, and other such versions of pride are considered perfectly valid, but the phrase “Straight Pride” is seen as being as provocative as a MAGA cap.
  
  I say “strangely” because one of the people who was first responsible for popularising the word “pride” in the context, gay activist L. Craig Schoonmaker, back in the early seventies, is reported as saying:
  
  “We were going to create a number of events the same weekend as the march to bring in people out of town, and wanted to unite the events under a label. [The] first thought was ‘Gay Power,'” Schoonmaker told The Allusionist podcast in 2015. “I didn’t like that, so [I] proposed ‘gay pride.’ There’s very little chance for people in the world to have power. People did not have power then; even now, we only have some. But anyone can have pride in themselves, and that would make them happier as people, and produce the movement likely to produce change.”
  
  https://bestlifeonline.com/why-is-it-called-pride/
  
  See that? One of the inventors of the phrase “gay pride” said that ANYONE can have pride in themselves. Not just gays. Not just lesbians. ANYONE.
  
  But, of course, as so often happens, the word and its usage have been hijacked. Now, it appears the word “pride” is only allowed to be used in certain contexts that have the approval of the self-appointed guardians of this word.
  
  Maybe Marama Davidson had the right idea after all. How about we try reclaiming the word “pride” to mean what it’s supposed to?
  
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  June 3, 2020 8:32am
  - Tall Man
    
    At least she picked an apt one for herself.
    
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    June 3, 2020 8:47am
  - peterwn
    
    Same with ‘gay’ which got hijacked in the 1970’s.
    
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    June 3, 2020 9:32am
    - lifesgood
      
      And rainbows.
      
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      June 3, 2020 9:42am
    - Tall Man
      
      Sort of.
      
      “Good As You” is what it initially stood for I believe.
      
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      June 3, 2020 10:16am
  - alphabeatrium
    
    I still think humility is a worthy quality; pride is the inverse of humility, and historically not an admirable quality. People seem to think “pride” means “self-esteem”, when really it means “hubris”.
    
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    June 3, 2020 9:56am
    - Sacha
      
      ‘self respect’, while more complex, seems a more appropriate goal –
      
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      June 3, 2020 10:17am
  - Fletch
    
    The problem with everyone having “pride”, is that people these days take pride in doing shameful things. They have lost the ability to recognize the difference between the scared and profane and think that just because they desire something that it must be right to take pride in doing so. The ability to humble yourself and to be cognizant of right and wrong (and admit when you are wrong) is just as important as having a misplaced pride.
    
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    June 3, 2020 10:31am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Pride is a strange word…
    It can have positive connotations….as in taking pride in your work…
    
    but it is loaded with “negativity” if you’ve read the Bible…
    
    And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
    
    For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
    
    Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
    Mark 7: 20-22
    
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    June 3, 2020 11:27am
  - Ruawai
    
    You can be proud of whatever colour or sex you are as long as you are not a white heterosexual male, in that case you are ‘privileged’.
    
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    June 3, 2020 12:30pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Or woman, you don’t have that all on your own.
      
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      June 3, 2020 8:52pm
- IC5000
  
  Why are you obsessed with homosexuals?
  
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  June 3, 2020 12:48pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Have you never engaged in a full-blown lesbian relationship IC 😛
    
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    June 3, 2020 6:09pm
    - IC5000
      
      I’m actually a lesbian trapped in a man’s body
      
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      June 3, 2020 8:59pm
GazzaW

The Dow Jones finished the day with another hefty increase and closing in on 26,000 points. Corporate America is taking very little notice of the current civil strife.
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June 3, 2020 8:06am
- old skool reactionary
  
  Why would it? It is the US Federal Reserve pouring trillions of “printed”US dollars into the financial sector that the 1%ers are paying attention to.
  
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  June 3, 2020 9:47am
mandk

[Following review by the Moderators, this post has been removed for indulging in unwarranted personal abuse of a grieving mother]
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June 3, 2020 8:12am
- fernglas
  
  That’s the sort of comment that could only be made by someone so full of self-righteousness that their judgment and motivation is more likely to be selfish than altruistic.
  
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  June 3, 2020 9:09am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  This is nauseating and hypocritical
  
  You have produced no evidence that Hayley Holt would ever consider termination of her pregnancy.
  
  Why have you made this nasty assertion?
  
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  June 3, 2020 9:22am
  - NoFax
    
    She stood for the Green Party at the last election and there policy then as now is allowing for the killing of the unborn up until birth – which what they got.
    
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    June 3, 2020 9:28am
    - fernglas
      
      “Recognise that late-term abortions after 20 weeks’ gestation occur only in
      exceptional circumstances and that medical professionals are invariably
      involved in supporting pregnant people to make their decisions, and ensure
      that sufficient mental health support is also available to the pregnant person
      and their family”
      Is that what you mean? Nofax is indeed a well chosen nom de plume.
      
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      June 3, 2020 10:10am
  - mandk
    
    She’s a Green.
    
    But more to the point, with the new law on abortion, we can be in a situation of mourning the death of baby at 30+ weeks of gestation and being indifferent to the deliberate killing of another baby at exactly the same stage.
    
    Why does a baby’s life matter only if the mother wants it?
    
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    June 3, 2020 9:53am
    - Bullion
      
      Abortions are only legal now up to 20 weeks, anything after 20 weeks is based on consultation of 2 doctors and must be for medical reasons.
      
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      June 3, 2020 10:13am
      - Blackface Twin Reverb
        
        So, still possible and legal?
        
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        June 3, 2020 11:39am
    - lifesgood
      
      Quite right. Let’s leave Hayley out of it. She is grieving and I feel for her. But, let’s also be honest. How come a baby is only a baby if it’s wanted and if it isn’t wanted it is just a bunch of cells and part of the mother’s body. I loathe hypocrisy with a passion.
      
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      June 3, 2020 10:19am
    - fernglas
      
      Why do you say women are “indifferent” to having a termination, whatever the duration of the pregnancy? I know women who have done so on medical advice because of serious medical issues and I don’t remember any of them being anything other than profoundly sad at what happened.
      
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      June 3, 2020 10:19am
      - mandk
        
        Yes, those babies were wanted.
        
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        June 3, 2020 11:03am
  - Batman
    
    Quite right Maggy. It is a disgraceful attack onna grieving mother who is trying to get over the death of an unborn child.
    
    It just shows the lack of civility and decency of those obsessed with abortion.
    
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    June 3, 2020 9:59am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      The death of a loved unborn child is very grievous.
      
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      June 3, 2020 10:03am
    - Sacha
      
      This is one of the results of living a public life. Her mistake was telling the public about her loss.
      No wonder people are starting to guard their private lives.
      
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      June 3, 2020 10:20am
- Scooter
  
  Very strange and uncomfortable story with Hayley Holt, states she now has a boyfriend [deleted by Mod] after her baby dies. Can media in NZ get any weirder?
  
  [Mod: don’t stoop to personal abuse.]
  
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  June 3, 2020 9:41am
- Fletch
  
  I watched it to a certain point and thought, OK, she is thanking the people who got her through her miscarriage, OK – and then she says, “Annddd, now I’ve got a boyfriend!” I was like, WTF? Well, who’d you have the baby with? Where’d he go?
  
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  June 3, 2020 10:37am
- david
  
  But you can’t be a mother if a foetus is not a child.
  
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  June 3, 2020 11:47am
  - mandk
    
    Evidently you can, but only if you want the baby.
    
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    June 3, 2020 1:06pm
Benedict Yu

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/06/todd-muller-totally-understands-if-black-lives-matter-protesters-were-confused-about-covid-19-level-2-rules.html

I am getting a really bad feeling about the new Leader of the Opposition. He reminds me of David Shearer.

Before the pandemic, Simon Bridges was all over this Government and it showed in the polls. I was cautiously optimistic that he could win the election. Now Labour has the prospect of winning an outright majority. They will keep the fire hose of money going until September. Then when they win they will set out to implement a full on socialist agenda to transform the country.
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June 3, 2020 8:14am
- Gravelroad
  
  Agree Benedict Yu.
  Bridges wasn’t perfect but havn’t seen anything from Mr Muller yet that would inspire me to vote for his party – or that he is in any way more electable or competent than Bridges.
  I will be voting for a different party this time unless I see some worthwhile progress from National.
  
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  June 3, 2020 8:35am
  - GazzaW
    
    Maybe you could vote for NZ First to keep the Nats honest ?.
    
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    June 3, 2020 8:41am
    - Gravelroad
      
      No Gazza. Never voted for NZ1st and never will.
      What about yourself?
      
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      June 3, 2020 9:02am
      - GazzaW
        
        Not likely GR and at 75 I’m way too young. I suppose I could join the Young NZ Firsts – do they have weekend sex camps too?
        
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        June 3, 2020 10:39am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      This is not funny.
      
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      June 3, 2020 10:28am
      - Kevin Herlihy
        
        Twenty years ago I went to a “retreat” up at Kaukapakapa near where DG lives. There were heaps of hot young things walking around with very little on. We stayed in Teepee’s, ate vegetarian, and did sweat lodges. In the evening’s we gathered in a large teepee called a lodge and sang ridiculous songs while banging away on drums. It was supposed to be so cool. Unfortunately the three main rules were: no booze, no smokes including the green stuff and no humpty. I lasted till the evening of the second day of three, then snuck out and hitched a ride to the local pub and got smashed drinking rum and cokes with the locals.
        
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        June 3, 2020 12:00pm
    - Sacha
      
      “Maybe you could vote for NZ First to keep the Nats honest ?.”
      
      Oh, you kid, you.
      (?Groucho Marx)
      
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      June 3, 2020 10:30am
  - Michael NZ
    
    The MAGA cap did it for me.
    
    If he had said it’s a keepsake people get real, do you think I support Clinton because of a button?
    I would have stood with him.
    
    Now it reinforces National is Labour lite.
    especially as they keep pushing the blondies leftyness.
    
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    June 3, 2020 8:42am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    As long as that party is ACT I don’t care.
    
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    June 3, 2020 8:43am
  - Unity
    
    I agree too. Obviously he’s new to the job but I would have expected some strong sensible comments by now and we aren’t getting them. I’m not giving National my vote unless something improves very quickly. We haven’t got long to the election.
    
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    June 3, 2020 9:38am
  - peterwn
    
    I am wondering it Todd (and his supporters) has misjudged his abilities to lead National into the forthcoming election. Perhaps Winston’s prediction of a few years ago will come to pass – that National would chew through two leaders before the next election.
    Gravel Road – if you are going to vote for a different party presumably it will be a vote for ACT.
    If normally National supporters are feeling disenchanted with National, they should still get out and vote for an anti-Labour/Green party such as ACT. Staying at home on election day effectively gives Labour half a vote.
    
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    June 3, 2020 9:46am
    - Crisplion
      
      Yes, all disenchanted National voters should certainly turn to ACT. The one bright spot in the Roy Morgan poll a couple of days ago was that it had ACT on 3.5%. Let’s get them over the 5% line. It might not help much this time around, but having a strong ACT contingent in the next parliament would provide a crucial counter-narrative to Ardern’s bullshit and articulate an alternative to the socialist hell she’s steering us towards.
      
      Seymour for Finance Minister! (If not in 2020 then in 2023).
      
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      June 3, 2020 10:11am
      - Blackface Twin Reverb
        
        I think I might have to sit this one out.
        National are proving themselves too inept to vote for, Can’t vote for ACT because their position on Euthanasia is incompatible with my world view, and having been burned by Colin Craig, not keen on loopy minor parties.
        Constructive suggestions welcomed.
        
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        June 3, 2020 11:47am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Blackface. Hold your nose and vote National. Do you really want another 3 years of the incompetents?
        
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        June 3, 2020 12:22pm
      - septic skeptic
        
        Blackface. Sitting out is a valid option. Don’t vote for the lesser of evils. If ACT is off your radar for euthanasia that is fair enough.
        
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        June 3, 2020 12:58pm
      - Batman
        
        That approach just ends up with a bigger advantage for the left.
        
        A great way to shoot yourself in the foot. You guys are like the hard left who won’t vote for a practical candidate and thus hand the win to the other side. It’s idiotic. Politics is about winning, not purity!
        
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        June 3, 2020 1:01pm
      - Crisplion
        
        Not sure if you’re referring to me and other ACT supporters Batman, but ACT are practical candidates. They will support a National government on confidence and supply at least, and stand to get several candidates into parliament at their present level of support.
        
        In fact, from a purely pragmatic perspective they allow National to capture more of the centre, as well as social conservatives, by holding the right economic flank and catering to social libertarians like me.
        
        If you’re just talking about the silliness of “sitting it out”, then I agree with you. Now isn’t the time for purity, it’s the time to send Ardern and her pack of economic vandals to oblivion or, if we can’t do that, at least preventing the left from enjoying a landslide victory.
        
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        June 3, 2020 2:09pm
      - Jack5
        
        Blackface, voluntary euthanasia is a conscience issue. Is it because being its one MP, Seymour is ACT rather than being “of ACT” that you will make Seymour’s stand central to your vote?
        
        Like many other responsible sports shooting enthusiasts I will likely give my party vote to ACT because of Seymour’s principled stand for a measured review of firearms control (rather than Jacindarella’s hijab-flaunting, headline-grabbing declaration of seize and scrap). Also, because of Seymour’s work on legalising voluntary euthanasia, and because of ACT’s other policies.
        
        Do you think those of us who aren’t Catholics or who aren’t otherwise opposed to euthanasia should base our party and electorate voting on the fact that National’s Mullen is a loyal Catholic and would vote against our views in a conscience vote? Would that be rational?
        
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        June 3, 2020 2:15pm
      - Batman
        
        Crisp: nah mate not you. Just Blackface and Skeptic.
        
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        June 3, 2020 2:45pm
      - Blackface Twin Reverb
        
        Jack 5, I think yes, as far as I’m concerned Seymour for all intents and purposes is ACT.
        
        Re Firearms, I don’t own one myself, but would find it very hard not to support ACT on this point alone, if not for euthanasia.
        
        Other voters may do as they please, and decide who they can and cannot vote for based on how a particular policy from any party (or how a party has voted on any given issue) sits with that voters ethical framework and “bottom lines”… for me, that excludes parties that in part or whole promote or endorse abortion and/or euthanasia. Others are free to view things differently, but I like to sleep at night.
        
        Bruce Wayne,
        Does the word think mean anything to you? I have not yet committed to any course of action and am indeed weighing up the options and consequences… hence asking for suggestions. You say politics is about winning… how is it winning when your choice is Stalin or Mao?
        
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        June 3, 2020 4:00pm
- All_on_Red
  
  He’s another Nat Appeaser
  Labour probably couldn’t believe their luck that the Nat Caucus folded and voted Muller in.
  
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  June 3, 2020 8:37am
- MCos
  
  “Before the pandemic, Simon Bridges was all over this Government and it showed in the polls.“
  That’s a bit like saying before the iceberg the Titanic was the best ocean liner afloat.
  
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  June 3, 2020 8:37am
- Jules99
  
  The media rolled him for a reason. Bridges was polling well before the virus, and he was finding his feet. Time to kneecap him and bring in a novice who will take a year to bed in. Or would have if he had not lost the election. Judith fans seem to thing that her low poll rankings don’t matter, while they screamed about Bridges’ poor showing. They plan for her to take over after the failed election.
  
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  June 3, 2020 8:46am
  - Blackface Twin Reverb
    
    I’m Sure Bill English would be very happy to no longer be the leader that got them their worst result.
    
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    June 3, 2020 11:49am
- Frank the tank
  
  Disagree with your last sentence. They won’t because deep down they know this will be as popular as cold sick to the middle. They will however keep bribing the middle and run the country into unsustainable debt that will result in stagflation and growing inequality. That is the irony of any Labour government – they create more inequality given any welfare increase is dwarfed by cost of living increases.
  
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  June 3, 2020 9:21am
- Random T Person
  
  You can see why Todd Muller was a virtual unknown prior to his ascendancy to the leadership. He is the very epitome of the grey, unremarkable middle manager. Sure, an achiever in his own way, but more in the line of an accountant or school principal.
  
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  June 3, 2020 9:34am
  - sooty
    
    Kelvin Davis was a school principal.
    
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    June 3, 2020 9:54am
    - Tall Man
      
      I think he thinks he still is …. If he thinks at all.
      
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      June 3, 2020 10:11am
    - stigie
      
      And he’s wonderful sooty..? //
      
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      June 3, 2020 10:38am
- Bobba Fret
  
  If Muller doesn’t improve drastically, I will certainly be voting party vote Act. Will probably still vote for the National candidate in my area as its a pretty safe National seat.
  
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  June 3, 2020 10:01am
  - Sacha
    
    They have found another farmer to stand in this electorate.
    Sorry National, can’t do it.
    
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    June 3, 2020 10:33am
    - Gravelroad
      
      What does that mean?
      Are you prejudiced against farmers, Sacha?
      
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      June 3, 2020 11:10am
  - freethinker
    
    Party vote ACT Electorate Vote National is a good tactical vote strategy.
    
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    June 3, 2020 1:48pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      Of course, once you have party-voted ACT, your electorate vote really doesn’t matter.
      
      If your electorate vote is National and you end up with a National electorate MP, it won’t do anything to increase the total number of National MPs or decrease the number of Labour ones ….. He/she will just displace someone off the bottom of the National list.
      
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      June 3, 2020 4:18pm
- kloyd0306
  
  It’s not about who you want in power.
  It’s about who you DON’T want in power.
  Have never or will never vote for socialists (Labour).
  Have never or will never vote for communists (Greens).
  Cannot vote for traitors (NZF).
  Only leaves the Nats and ACT.
  Muller has been de-neutered already.
  Seymour is blind to the threat of Islam.
  What to do……
  
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  June 3, 2020 11:06am
- Philview
  
  I didn’t listen to RNZ this morning but read a comment that he did well this morning. Unfortunately, he has stepped into an extremely hostile media environment. A day into the job last week he was blasted by RNZ as being a white supremacist and a racist. I suspect there are many concerned citizens out there who don’t like the way Jacinda is promoting Maori nationalism and don’t like the way she is handling the economy.
  
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  June 3, 2020 11:21am
- SmokerGuy
  
  I thought he went went well on the interviews today (compared to last week). He needs to show some more vigor though and more policy is required ASAP.
  
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  June 3, 2020 11:48am
emmess

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-02/apple-music-pauses-browse-feature-in-support-of-blackouttuesday

The compulsory playlist includes songs like ‘ Fuck tha Police’

I say, if the mob won’t to loot businesses, let them loose on Apple and other multinational corporates doing that sort of thing.
Go woke, get broken.
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June 3, 2020 8:15am
- emmess
  
  And Nike too
  https://spectator.us/riot-brought-nike-looting-minneapolis-new-york-dc/
  
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  June 3, 2020 8:39am
mark15

They’re not even pretending its equal rights any more.
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June 3, 2020 8:15am
Mike

Happy World Bicycle Day!
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June 3, 2020 8:16am
- Maggie Pie
  
  too late!!! 😀
  
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  June 3, 2020 8:28am
- Jimmy the Brush
  
  Maggie beat you to it Mike!
  
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  June 3, 2020 8:30am
  - Mike
    
    We can have more than one holiday at a time, you know.
    For example, today is Mabo Day in Australia, Martyr’s day in Uganda and Opium Suppression Movement Day in Taiwan.
    So, if you’re a Ugandan/Taiwanese migrant to Australia who is into cycling, this will be the day for you.
    
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    June 3, 2020 8:40am
    - Random T Person
      
      I’ve been to both Uganda and Australia. Uganda, oddly enough, being as it is in the very middle of Africa, was full of Australians running the local attractions. That included the ‘Raft the Nile’ excursion out of a town called Jinja. Anyway, I asked one of the Aussies WTF they were doing in Uganda, the answer? Drinking beer and rooting the locals, mate.
      
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      June 3, 2020 9:36am
- Left Right and Centre
  
  Cool – get on yer bike mate.
  
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  June 3, 2020 8:38am
- Michael NZ
  
  milky
  Maggie was magnificent and took today from you.
  
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  June 3, 2020 8:43am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    She’s claimed the entire month!
    
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    June 3, 2020 9:25am
- RightNow
  
  Didn’t we just have International Sex Workers day?
  
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  June 3, 2020 9:36am
  - Mike
    
    Every dog has its day, they say.
    
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    June 3, 2020 1:55pm
    - IC5000
      
      Mike, that was an unkind remark about Maggie. She could be have a stunna back in the 70s.
      
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  - MH
    
    its all recyclable, what goes around comes around
    
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    June 3, 2020 2:08pm
Observer of Life

Anyone listening to Magic Talk Radio yesterday notice that before every news reading the announcers (MJ Tomasi/Geoff Bryant) started with a Maori greeting? Never heard this before. Wondering if this is a requirement of receiving $50m?
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June 3, 2020 8:18am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Damn it. I only listen to radio in the car and no Maori language and Peter Willams was a draw card.
  
  RNZ these days is like trying to understand the bartender in Port Moresby take your beer order in pidgin. 🙁
  
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  June 3, 2020 9:43am
  - Sacha
    
    I looked at an article the other day, and realised I didn’t know what it was saying. The only English words were verbs and conjunctions and there was no punctuation (not that that mattered).
    I don’t mind if people want to talk/read Maori, but my first language is English and I think I’m one of a majority here in New Zealand.
    
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    June 3, 2020 10:43am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      I agree. I find the use of Maori language in English broadcasts nuts. It is jarring. It would be the same if someone on the radio spiked the broadcasts with outbreaks of Russian.
      
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      June 3, 2020 11:20am
      - MH
        
        comrade we have your number and for patron membership on Kiwibloc we can supply end of years election results.
        
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        June 3, 2020 2:12pm
      - Jack5
        
        We have two main spoken languages in NZ: English and Maori.
        
        There are 20 or more tribal Maori-language stations supported by the taxpayer, and there are Chinese and stations broadcasting in various Pacific Islands languages.
        
        In the other stations, a New Zealand Pidgin is being promoted in place of English, the world’s leading language in business, academia, science, diplomacy, tourism, and popular culture.
        
        They can’t force us to speak Maori so they are trying to trap us into a Maori-English pidgin.
        
        If they want to be truly bicultural they would broadcast in both English and Maori on separate frequencies and channels.
        
        They know too few will ever follow in Maori, so they are trying to root our English. What to do with their NZ Pidgin?
        
        To use another patois: Dem cya stuff it up dem arse.
        
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        June 3, 2020 2:35pm
      - Batman
        
        A couple of points…
        
        Those Maori stations are small regional ones.
        
        Separate channels and frequencies would be the radio equivalent of language apartheid. Not the mention it would be entirely unhelpful for anyone trying to learn a few words of a different language… Oh and it would be massively expensive for taxpayers. A price you’re willing to pay to feel comfortable with your English only station? Yikes, that’s not very right wing of you.
        
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        June 3, 2020 2:39pm
      - Jack5
        
        Batman, first point- compared with say, newspapers or magazines, radio stations are relatively cheap to set up in production equipment, and frequencies are cheap or free (to community stations etc). For Maori language, frequencies could be supplied from the part of the spectrum Maori claimed under the Treaty of Waitangi.
        
        Second point. It is English language stations that are being eroded by the lapse into NZ Pidgin. Let them just broadcast in straight English. No new expensive system, just have them in English rather than in NZ Pidgin.
        
        However, for full dual language broadcasting, sites, offices, transmission equipment could be shared between English and Maori services. Maori-language positions could provide jobs for a few of the hundreds, or even thousands of young folk graduating from wananga — the Maori tertiary institutions — with Maori cultural degrees.
        
        If it all was still was too expensive, the alternate path would be to scrap State broadcasting altogether, apart, perhaps for broadcasts to the Pacific Islands for diplomatic propaganda purposes, and perhaps present radio and TV Parliamentary channels. These could be contracted out.
        
        Without advertising-free competition from the State, commercial broadcasters would find, and find economically, what listeners wanted to hear: be it English language, Maori language, or even NZ Pidgin.
        
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        June 3, 2020 4:02pm
- Inandout
  
  OL, I have picked up on that too, and indeed $50 million helps keep them afloat.
  
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  June 3, 2020 11:38am
Durden

What is with the undignified China and WHO and UN and UN Helen Clark and the similar past labour people of her ilk? They seem to have faux “foundations” or snouts in some sort of a public trough and they never seems to go away. Never seen one go on to proper service in the private enterprise.

Geoffrey Palmer, Tony Blair, his wife, Clark’s husband (on DHB board), Irish Mary Robinson, Julia Gillard, the Clintons, Barack Obama etc etc. I have greater respect for people like Mike Moore who went on to work for international trade only because of his expertise and passion.
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June 3, 2020 8:19am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Helen Clark does not have the skills to work in the private sector.
  
  She could retire with her husband to a cottage somewhere. But that does not seem to be the plan. Honestly I was happier when she was at the UN. Now she is back the media give her oxygen on a weekly basis.
  
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  June 3, 2020 8:25am
  - GazzaW
    
    Be fair Benedict. She does run the Eden Park Residents Mutual Protection Society.
    
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    June 3, 2020 8:44am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Cottage has different meanings to Mr & Mrs Clark . . .
    
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    June 3, 2020 12:56pm
- Mike
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  And it’s so unfair when genuine charitable enterprises, like the Donald J Trump Foundation, get persecuted by liberals and forced to close.
  
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  June 3, 2020 8:30am
  - virtualmark
    
    Okay, so if I downtick this then that means I think it *is* fair that genuine charitable enterprises, like the Donald J Trump Foundation, are forced to close?
    
    Pretty sure that’s right.
    
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    June 3, 2020 4:50pm
Suze Wainwright

Wow, Todd flustered Susie this morning. She fell backwards into all the holes she’d carefully prepared for him…

She’s going to have to do better than keep mentioning his MAGA cap
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June 3, 2020 8:19am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  He should wear that cap everywhere. Fuck them
  
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  June 3, 2020 8:30am
  - Mummy
    
    He should’ve put it on the other day on TV and said make Adern go away.
    
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    June 3, 2020 8:49am
    - Sacha
      
      He would need to change the wee flag on the side to make it local.
      
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      June 3, 2020 10:45am
  - Batman
    
    As usual Steve, your suggestions are a great way to appeal to a smaller slice of the population than is necessary to win.
    
    You must be a secret Labour voter ?
    
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    June 3, 2020 10:08am
    - Tall Man
      
      He did look a bit “shaky” on the AM show this morning.
      
      I just wish these “journos” would “interview” ardern with a similar aggressive style, quick questions without allowing a full answer. I also wish that these interviewers would go “off script” with ardern as they seem to do Muller and did continually with Bridges.
      
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      June 3, 2020 10:26am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Questions and answers are pre written for Ardern, and only a select few get to ask them
        
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        June 3, 2020 10:50am
      - Inandout
        
        TM, they called Muldoon a dictator for demanding scripted questions. Compare him to Ardern and she has to take the prize for keeping her foot on the population.
        
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        June 3, 2020 11:42am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I secretly voted Labour some 50 years ago because they were doing away with compulsory military training. In hind site it would not have done me any harm, but I was far too busy drinking and chasing women.
      The one and only time. I also confess to once voting for that prick Winston
      
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      June 3, 2020 10:48am
      - IC5000
        
        Better watch out for your own sake regarding those drinking and womenizing at your age. Certain Performance related pharmaceuticals can cause hypertension with possible heart attacks.
        
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        June 3, 2020 12:55pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        IC5000, dreamer. I was 18 at the time
        
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        June 3, 2020 1:43pm
Wangas Feral

Did you see MSM in the States with a terrible pic of Philly burning in the wake of the “protests” and it was a still from the movie World War Z. Fake news.

On a different topic, in response to yesterday’s article on methane how do the boffin’s climate models take into account the Polish stuffed cabbage rolls I had for dinner last night? Cow farts? That is nothing.
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June 3, 2020 8:20am
Left Right and Centre

Facemasks: Is there anything more repulsive looking and pointless than ‘wearing’ a used breath-soaked facemask *under the chin*??
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June 3, 2020 8:21am
- Jacinda Ardhern
  
  I’m finding these damn masks discarded on Milford Beach.
  
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  June 3, 2020 8:28am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I refuse to wear one. It’s like using a hurricane mesh fence to keep out mosquitoes.
  
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  June 3, 2020 8:31am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Do you prefer neck gaiters?
  https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/91AZ2DCvHlL._AC_UL1500_.jpg
  
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  June 3, 2020 9:30am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I do have one, for when I am out in the cold boating/washing bait
    
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    June 3, 2020 10:51am
  - alex Masterley
    
    I have one as well.
    Use it on the yacht or when I am running sailing events.
    
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    June 3, 2020 10:57am
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    Maggy – what do you think of people with a facemask around their neck but not covering their mouth / nose?
    Is that the dumbest shit ever or what?
    So – you’ve got a facemask because you’re worried about getting infected, but it’s around your neck not over the nose and mouth. Morons.
    And it looks stupid and ugly for zero benefit.
    
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    June 3, 2020 11:14am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Catches dribble?
  
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  June 3, 2020 9:52pm
MT_Tinman

Not a single report of rioting in the streets over Business Owners Matter.

Disappointing!
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June 3, 2020 8:22am
Observer of Life

Watching TV3 6pm news last night. There was a bit about the protests where the journalist was talking to the guy Mendez (?) who I thought was a Green Party (list?) MP, but they had him as some sort of Advocate??? Is this the media failing to point out that a Green Party MP was at the protest where there was NO social distancing? Maybe I got the wrong end of the stick?
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June 3, 2020 8:23am
- Tony Stuart
  
  He’s a Green Party candidate, and is ranked in the top 10 on the Green Party list. That’s yet another good reason NOT to vote for the Greens!
  
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  June 3, 2020 8:33am
- 3-coil
  
  Observer: to a NZ Green Party member, showing how hip and cool you are by protesting to support Black Looters Matter is way more important than silly social distancing. Check out the Green MPs’ selfies.
  Coronavirus (or the “boomer remover” as his group called it) is sooooo last month!
  
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  June 3, 2020 9:02am
- Inandout
  
  We watch The Chase recording at 6pm and skip through the ads. Haven’t watched TV news for years.
  
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  June 3, 2020 11:46am
Benedict Yu

Think about it.

Todd Mueller, Nikki Kaye, Amy Adams

Or

John Key, Bill English, Steven Joyce

…. Sorry they are not in the same league.
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June 3, 2020 8:28am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Neither are Twitford, Ardern R., Whinestone and their host of incompetent so called MP’s.
  
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  June 3, 2020 8:54am
- Tall Man
  
  But are they preferable to ardern, robertson, little?
  
  It looks like that is your choice in September and all the railing against Muller will only lead to ardern staying put. As far as I am concerned the bulk of you are responding to a concerted media campaign to “retain ardern”. Fall for it if you are gullible, I am not.
  
  Voting for Act will not gain a government lead by ACT, never going to happen.
  
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  June 3, 2020 8:58am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “But are they preferable to ardern, robertson, little?”
    
    Yes of course they are, but that is a low bar.
    
    New Zealand desperately needs a replacement trio like Key, English, Joyce to have any hope of repairing the damage. Simon Bridges was not a Key, but he was making a good job of it.
    
    Labour is going to win this election and they will unfold a disaster that we will never recover from in my lifetime. And I blame the National caucus for that.
    
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    June 3, 2020 9:34am
    - Tall Man
      
      It may be a “low bar” but your solution is to bag the only team that is a better option.
      
      When you get “perfection” let me know.
      
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      June 3, 2020 10:01am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Seriously I am not looking for “perfection” – I am simply saying that National has degraded their chances of winning this election to not much above zero. That is catastrophic for the nation. If they start performing I will stop bagging them.
        
        Think about it. In the last Government I could list dozens of achievements of Joyce and English. With Adams and Kaye, who were both senior Ministers, nothing. Happy for you to fill in the blanks. Kaye presided over a failing education system. Adams, not sure what she did.
        
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        June 3, 2020 11:24am
      - Tall Man
        
        Early days Ben, give them a few weeks.
        
        If they don’t perform I’ll be disapppointed.
        
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        June 3, 2020 2:45pm
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    Voting for ACT will neither help nor hinder National’s chances of becoming the government. But if they do become the government, it will increase the likelihood of a National government doing things that most National supporters actually want. That’s the reason to do it.
    
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    June 3, 2020 9:42am
    - lifesgood
      
      Yeah, yeah, yeah, keep National honest. Now where have I heard that before.
      
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      June 3, 2020 9:50am
    - Tall Man
      
      So you’ll vote National in the electorate and ACT “party vote”?
      
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      June 3, 2020 10:02am
      - Nigel Kearney
        
        I never vote ACT with the electorate vote. Anyway only the party vote matters except in unusual circumstances.
        
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        June 3, 2020 11:07am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Electorate National, party ACT for me
        
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        June 3, 2020 1:01pm
    - sooty
      
      Along with showing national how disappointed the voters are with them!
      They also need all the assistance they can get!
      They have turned in to the wet soy boy party and Luxton is the same!
      
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      June 3, 2020 10:02am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Who says we weren’t satisfied with a Govt. that was the envy of the world, a Govt that managed a $20Bn earthquake and a GFC?
      
      Our forebears of the 19 c. were determined to build a nation without workhouses. What emerged has served us well. They did not envisage communism but a healthy free society. Tax may provide some income re-distribution but so did families. Now with everyone free to travel and resettle where they will our modest social security allows that freedom and aged parents etc are provided for. Some tax is social insurance.
      
      Act rightly watch over taxpayers interests. There is only one cake and the providers should get well rewarded too.
      
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      June 3, 2020 10:22am
- MH
  
  the fullah’s a Muller
  
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  June 3, 2020 2:19pm
pdm

Love the power subsidy

Government gives us an extra $60 a fortnight and our power bill reduces by $30 this month.

Money for old rope as they say.
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June 3, 2020 8:28am
- KevO'Brien
  
  It’s an antidote to the carbon taxes etc which pushed up our electricity prices.
  IF COVID doesn’t get the pensioners Ardern R. just might.
  
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  June 3, 2020 8:56am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  It’s not really a power subsidy. It’s a benefit increase.
  
  Of course it sounds better to call it a ‘winter power payment’ than to say ‘we’re only increasing the payment during winter because we think you’re too useless to budget properly’.
  
  Also, the cancellation of National’s tax cuts was effectively a pension cut as well. The winter payment just barely offsets that so is not really an increase at all.
  
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  June 3, 2020 9:46am
Tony Stuart

National MP Matt King gets a warning from the Police for not social distancing in a photo he posted on social media when he went out for a meal.

So, will the Police also be ringing Jacinda Ardern to warn her about having posed for selfies in Hawke’s Bay at the weekend?

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10219892073070431&set=a.3206561401140&type=3&theater
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June 3, 2020 8:28am
- Wangas Feral
  
  If I were MP Matt King I would tell the police to GFY. One rule for the PM and the left, and another for everyone else.
  
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  June 3, 2020 8:31am
- Jacinda Ardhern
  
  Maybe the protesters have valid complaints about the police!
  
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  June 3, 2020 8:31am
  - burt
    
    Well if they do then you did the right thing giving them more powers!
    
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    June 3, 2020 8:48am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  PTPM is exempt from the rules. Do as I say, not as I do
  
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  June 3, 2020 8:33am
- Tall Man
  
  She dresses like a kid who found her dead granny’s clothes drawer.
  
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  June 3, 2020 9:02am
- kowtow
  
  Check out Cactus kate’s blog today for a photo of AShley Bloomers doing same .
  
  But that’s ok it was only for a second .FFS.
  
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  June 3, 2020 9:54am
Swifty

I am no fan of corporate welfare. I detest it. As a rule, NZ families should not be required by politicians whim to prop up companies and especially those from offshore.

Having said that, I do take issue with this from Thomas Coughlan:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300026054/time-to-call-cut-on-the-governments-film-subsidy

Movie production companies have a choice of where they make their films. Rightly or wrongly, the last few decades have seen countries competing with each other to attract movie company business. They see the benefits of increased economic activity, increased taxation, job and skill creation and the films being advertisements to the wider world for the country concerned as all being desirable to chase; up to a point.

So rebates have come in (not strictly subsidies as Thomas keeps repeating) – whereby governments give back to production companies a proportion of their total spend within a country. I hear that our current rebate is about 15% (could be wrong) for spend above a certain minimum – i.e. for a $100 million spend, the government gives back $15 million.

The argument is that without the rebate the work would not come to these shores and other countries would enjoy the benefits of the movies being made there, not here.

Thomas says that this ‘subsidy’ would be better used to fund local productions or other arts programmes overlooking the main point that without the foreign companies making their films here there would be no money to ‘distribute’.

Indeed, if foreign films weren’t being made here then we’d be a billion or two down, annually, in economic activity with hundreds of jobs foregone, hundreds of millions down annually in GST, company and personal tax and nothing whatsoever to give to local productions other than that which is funded from general taxation.

It seems to me that Thomas’ article is a mess and he has overlooked these fundamental points.
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June 3, 2020 8:31am
- Mike
  
  The film industry is not so unique that it require special subsidies and exemption from normal labour laws. Plenty of industries could make a similar case that favourable treatment would attract business to New Zealand.
  I don’t agree that the government’s role is to decide which industries are so special that they need this kind of helping hand.
  
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  June 3, 2020 8:45am
  - Swifty
    
    Not unique in that their productions are ‘one-offs’? Of limited durations usually measured in months not years?
    
    And if we do eliminate rebates while other countries retain them with the James Camerons et al then going elsewhere and with our industry shrinks massively as a result, will that be looked back on as a good and wise decision?
    
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    June 3, 2020 8:57am
  - Tall Man
    
    Short sighted as usual mikey.
    
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    June 3, 2020 9:04am
  - krazykiwi
    
    I agree. Having government policy flap about in the lobbying breeze makes it a sure place for corrupt influence. The government’s job should be creating an environment that plays to our natural strengths, rather than trying to pick big noting winners.
    
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    June 3, 2020 9:24am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    The film industry is not unique in an economic sense. All of us are over-taxed and all sorts of locally driven productive activity is not happening because taxes and regulations make it not worthwhile.
    
    The way in which the film industry is different is that the gain or loss to the economy is much easier to see because the film gets made regardless, either here or somewhere else.
    
    Yes it is illogical to have subsidies for films only. But it is not an improvement to have films subjected to the same heavy disincentives as everyone else. Consistency, hobgoblins, Emerson etc.
    
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    June 3, 2020 9:57am
- burt
  
  It’s funny how when it comes to having the chance to be seen with Hollywood stars we all suddenly believe in trickle down economics.
  
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  June 3, 2020 8:47am
  - Tall Man
    
    Like it or not but a part of NZ tourism is due to those movies and will be instrumental in bringing tourists back.
    
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    June 3, 2020 9:05am
    - chukar
      
      TM,
      Totally Disagree.
      Boring films like Avatar are more likely to drive tourists away.
      These subsidies are an outrageous crock benefiting the entitled.
      Look at the numbers?
      
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      June 3, 2020 9:25am
      - Tall Man
        
        Well I guess we’ll have to disagree about Avatar. Some of theNZ “workers” here are taking home massive wages which are taxed and poured back into the community.
        
        I think your hatred of the “rich” is clouding your judgement. These corporates have to spend to get their small refund and trust me, they spend. Every dollar they spend in our community go round and around many more times than once.
        
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        June 3, 2020 9:55am
      - chukar
        
        To TM,
        There is a reasonably recent paper (either Treasury or MBIE ) that made it pretty clear the benefits of encouraging foreign film makers in NZ actually are negative.
        Secondly I don’t do hatred – of anyone.
        
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        June 3, 2020 1:38pm
    - burt
      
      So apart from mega rich movie stars and some of the richest people on the planet who can afford $100,000,000 to spend on high tech boats – who else deserves tax payers money so we can claim trickle down economics works?
      
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      June 3, 2020 9:48am
      - Tall Man
        
        We don’t “give” them a single cent. We rebate a small part of their spending so they have to give before they get back.
        
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        June 3, 2020 9:56am
      - burt
        
        So I’d like a new car, can I get a rebate if I promise to use it visiting local towns and buying coffee there?
        
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        June 3, 2020 10:27am
      - Tall Man
        
        Yes you can Burt.
        
        Register a company, buy the car through that company and use it for “business” purposes.
        
        Ditto for travel to international conferences, expensive dining and other activities, just like an mp.
        
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        June 3, 2020 2:48pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  The Left don’t understand the concept of cost benefit analysis. Some of these productions aren’t worth the money it costs us but most are. The benefits far outweigh the costs.
  
  It is also standard industry practice. Other countries also do it so we simply won’t get the productions and miss out on billions if we don’t do it.
  
  I don’t like corporate welfare. It leads to weakness in business and picking winners etc. The issue here is that the welfare already exists and either we do it and we get the benefits or we don’t and the entire industry dries up.
  
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  June 3, 2020 9:08am
  - Tall Man
    
    Exactly. They waffle about “rich pricks” and “corporate welfare” but it is no different than depreciation or tax rebates for some expenses.
    
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    June 3, 2020 9:57am
Captain Mainwaring

Nick Smith had Jenny Salesa like a possum in the headlights in QT yesterday. She was completely unable to explain why a big American Samoa based fishing ship was unable to come to Nelson for its routine maintenance when it and its crew hadn’t been anywhere near a Covid19 infection since whenever. Now it looks like that valuable work will go to Hawaii or somewhere else.
What’s different about this and the Avatar workers who came straight from the worst-infected place on earth (at our expense I might add)?
Oh, I think I know.
Avatar is happening in Miramar, part of the complacent Labour-held Rongotai seat, whereas Nelson is a fiercely- defended National seat. The CoL obviously doesn’t need the votes of those disloyal rich pricks.
Most corrupt Government ever. X100.
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June 3, 2020 8:32am
- Tony Stuart
  
  That’s a double-whammy for Nelson, already at risk of losing well-paid aircraft engineering jobs with Air New Zealand. Big ups to Nick Smith; say what you like about him, but he always goes into bat for his constituents.
  
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  June 3, 2020 8:47am
  - Frank the tank
    
    At risk – aren’t they already gone?
    
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    June 3, 2020 9:25am
- MCos
  
  When you say ‘at our expense’, what exactly do you mean?
  As far as I’m aware the 50+ film crew paid for their own flight out here plus accommodation during quarantine.
  They are monitored in quarantine by whatever branch of our public service is responsible for such things.
  
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  June 3, 2020 8:56am
  - Tall Man
    
    Not correct. The tax payer is funding the security staff and at least 4 employees living with the quarantined workers.
    
    While it is a cost it would be trifling if some were infected and ardern shut NZ down for another 2 months so we can all be mesmerised by her awesomeness.
    
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    June 3, 2020 9:51am
    - MCos
      
      Are the monitors living on site?
      What does the security staff do? (are they the same people?)
      Do they keep an eye on all the people coming and going to the hotel?
      
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      June 3, 2020 10:23am
    - Tall Man
      
      Yes. Four living in the hotel being rotated and security and monitoring staff just for them.
      
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      June 3, 2020 11:15am
      - fernglas
        
        The security staff are airport security so at least they’re working, and the others are from Immigration, so ditto. No extra cost.
        
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        June 3, 2020 2:12pm
      - Tall Man
        
        That’s really nice of the hotel to house and feed those staff for free.
        
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        June 3, 2020 8:16pm
  - kowtow
    
    Who pays for the “monitoring” . The same taxpayers who’re subsidising the obscenely rich movie makers.
    
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    June 3, 2020 9:57am
  - MH
    
    under covid cops.
    
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    June 3, 2020 2:25pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://babylonbee.com/news/episcopalians-confused-by-strange-book-trump-brought-to-church?fbclid=IwAR3OXG4hF6FBPlkt3V2BL2d5w2ahk7bHpU6Uy8gjDFMeD-nwqSRsbH3I_nc
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June 3, 2020 8:33am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Was a cookbook? Hahaha
  
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  June 3, 2020 8:34am
Maggie Pie

WOW!! Now nearly 5000 LV bags on Ebay.
I’ve put about 40 on my watchlist already.
Expect it to be over 10,000 for sale by next week 😛

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44x4KhvAiWc
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June 3, 2020 8:37am
- sooty
  
  Are they plastic rubbish bags?
  
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  June 3, 2020 10:09am
artemisia

The ME’s report says George had fentanyl in his system, and they also found signs of recent methamphetamine use. It also says his manner of death is homicide.

Opioid use does not at all excuse actions taken to restrain, but may be a contributing reason.

Opiod addiction in the US is a massive problem.

https://www.tmz.com/2020/06/01/george-floyd-cause-of-death-heart-attack-fentanyl/
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June 3, 2020 8:37am
- Jules99
  
  Much of it from China. A soft war?
  
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  June 3, 2020 8:51am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Opioid use may be the very trigger causing need for constraint. People wild on drugs commit mayhem against themselves and others.
  
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  June 3, 2020 9:00am
  - Tall Man
    
    And unfortunately a police officer is often the one on the receiving end.
    
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    June 3, 2020 9:07am
    - kowtow
      
      To paraphrase;
      
      We sleep safely in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would harm us
      
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      June 3, 2020 10:00am
  - artemisia
    
    Possibly that is the case Kev, I guess it will emerge in due course. Not that many will take note. There did seem to be something going on with police in the back seat of a car, just what not visible in the footage I saw.
    
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    June 3, 2020 9:14am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      I’m not very trusting of what’s been shown so far. The video may have been just cobbled together from a few stills. I have seen nothing on TV showing any footage purporting to be from the other viewpoint. The image of a partly open door and a narrative about action in the car is nonsense in Court.
      The Official ME has found fentanyl intoxication and meths and no evidence of asphyxiation.
      
      Police frequently have to be physically robust with people who are intoxicated or otherwise resisting arrest. I’m sure all Police weed out the occasional recruit whose personality is too vigorous. It’s an occupational hazard–look what such types did to children in state care. Most law enforcement officers have high integrity and reject any bad ones among them.
      
      The media appear complicit in stoking the fires of dissent and possibly without truth. They have fuelled the imagination and the rioting.
      
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      June 3, 2020 10:42am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Well covid is running out of puff and the readers are over it.
        
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        June 3, 2020 10:19pm
- G152
  
  How convenient to ‘find’ drugs on a victim of police brutality…
  I have this bridge for sale
  
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  June 3, 2020 9:38am
  - artemisia
    
    What if drugs were detected by the Medical Examiner, presumably relying on a toxicology report? Convenient?
    
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    June 3, 2020 10:43am
oldpark

Meanwhile back to the future. The return of “Miss Auntie Cindy Ardern”control freak extraordinaire. .
Yes knowing that power is the ultimate “Aphrodisiac” and every vote counts . Today this time masquerading as her self appointed role amongst many other things she will be NZs Peters selected PM as well as a Helicopter Parent telling almost 5 Million NZs how to suck eggs with the proposed ending of Level 2. Preparing for Level 1.
The preaching and teaching will be about how good she and her bunch of no hopers saved NZ from the Coronavirus by so called going hard . Yeah right.
What she wont tell the 5 Million NZs or those to care to listen that in the Lockdown period almost 2,000 NZ s died of other aged related deaths versus Deaths said to be Coronavirus related .
She also wont say how many many relatives of the dead were denied the right to say good bye to their loved ones with the the fanatical reason that that was not a good idea . “Even though all lives matter”.
Yet behind the scenes non NZs mostly big noters seem to have access into NZ since April 21 2020.
Even worse the trail of financial and unemployment disaster left in the wake in the panic decision by her and her Regime to Lockdown all forms of employment and Business in NZ .
Yes she will preach big time today . Making out “here is me and who is like me” . In fact too sweet to be wholesome .WTH .
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June 3, 2020 8:41am
- JackRabbit
  
  ***Breaking News***:
  
  Judge in South Africa rule Level 3 and Level 4 lockdown unconstitutional and irrational.
  
  The inference Judge Norman Davis draws after the declaration of a national state of disaster was that little or no regard was given to the extent of the impact of individual regulations on the Constitutional rights of people and whether the extent of the limitation of their rights was justifiable or not.
  
  This is according to his judgment on Tuesday, in which he declared lockdown Levels 4 and 3 unconstitutional and invalid.
  
  “The starting point was not ‘how can we as government limit Constitutional rights in the least possible fashion whilst still protecting the inhabitants of SA?’, but rather ‘we will seek to achieve our goal by whatever means, irrespective of the costs and we will determine, albeit incrementally, which Constitutional rights you as the people of South Africa may exercise’,” he said.
  
  Davis, in his judgement, slammed a number of the regulations, saying besides the specific ones cited, “there are many more instances of sheer irrationality included therein”.
  
  He said the regulations surrounding funerals were “not only distressing, but irrational”.
  
  https://www.news24.com/news24/southafrica/news/irrational-irrational-constitutional-crisis-as-judge-rules-lockdown-regulations-invalid-20200602
  
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  June 3, 2020 9:16am
  - MH
    
    the difference between black and white.
    
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    June 3, 2020 2:30pm
burt

These people don’t understand how to play the game. They need to do the following;

1. Demand special tax treatment when they are here.
2. Promise to throw wild parties where lines can be snorted of hookers breasts.
3. Say nice things about NZ and our PM.

Anecdotal evidence suggests if they do this we’ll let them in AND pay for their quarantine but it’s unclear if we’ll do this for people that are earning average incomes or if we only give this special treatment to people who earns millions for a few months work.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/121690635/coronavirus-new-zealand-citizens-trying-to-charter-a-flight-home-held-up-by-government-approval
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June 3, 2020 8:42am
- burt
  
  And more of the same;
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/121703621/mushroom-and-film-workers-allowed-in-while-expecting-dad-barred
  
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  June 3, 2020 11:18am
  - Nickc2
    
    That sez it all, Twyford is involved!
    
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    June 3, 2020 11:30am
JibberJabber

Solidarity Stones…?
https://twitter.com/AmiHorowitz/status/1267908030206816259
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June 3, 2020 8:43am
- Tall Man
  
  The stupid white woman kneeling down says it all.
  
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  June 3, 2020 9:14am
- emmess
  
  Something about appeasers and crocodiles comes to mind.
  
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  June 3, 2020 9:51am
I remember when

Great excitement the other day.
A bunch of pamphlets in the letterbox.
Another sign that things are returning to normal!
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June 3, 2020 8:44am
Paulus

Is it me or am I getting the feeling that Cindy is playing quite well in keeping effectively dumb against the protestations of Wynston.
Or is she actually running out of steam which may be so as it could appear that people are getting tired of seeing her in their face all and every day and she has been told to stay schtum for now.
Familiarity breeds contempt – still.
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June 3, 2020 8:46am
- burt
  
  I think you’ll find her behaviour and response to anything Winston does is all dictated in the secret (28 page?) coalition document that the most transparent government ever say we are not allowed to see.
  
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  June 3, 2020 9:50am
Ford Prefect

The polls appear to confirm that the failures from the past 2 years can be completely forgiven.

Voters obviously dont care that the trees havent been planted, the homes havent been kiwibuilt, the light rail hasnt even been planned, the jobs havent been created by the PGF and the economy HAS tanked.

The voters appear to only vote for personality. No need for policies or politics just name recognition and someone to look after you and say its all going to be alright.
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June 3, 2020 8:46am
- Jacinda Ardhern
  
  It’s called the ‘infantilisation of society’.
  
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  June 3, 2020 9:01am
  - Ford Prefect
    
    I’ve heard this from others. The majority of voters want a mother/father figure that will look after them. Less common are the voters who want some competent, trustworthy and can run the company like a business
    
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    June 3, 2020 10:32am
- Frank the tank
  
  Wait till mid-June when the wage subsidy runs its course and the corporate redundancies begin and start smacking the middle
  
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  June 3, 2020 9:27am
  - Paulus
    
    But it has been extended a further two months I understand !
    
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    June 3, 2020 2:06pm
- brett68
  
  Because none of that shit has any impact on their lives.
  It’s all meaningless to the vast majority of voters.
  
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  June 3, 2020 9:43am
- kowtow
  
  Ardern , a good example of :
  
  “A stupid person’s idea of a clever person”
  
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  June 3, 2020 10:03am
JibberJabber

Quite possibly Peak Academic and Journalistic Fuckwittery has been reached ?
https://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/dating/facemasks-during-sex-a4457801.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1591128192
or maybe not , they can always go lower…..
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June 3, 2020 8:50am
- JackRabbit
  
  Almost as bad as your mother telling you to get a haircut and trim your eyebrows before you rob the bank and kill hostages, so you look “nice” in the security camera footage.
  
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  June 3, 2020 9:30am
Maggie Pie

There are times i wish I’d listened to my mother 🙁
We were just having breakfast and watching Fox. They showed a vid of 5 LA cops, wearing full riot gear, and ‘taking a knee’.
My partner commented, “At least some are displaying solidarity with Derek Chauvin”

Honestly.
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June 3, 2020 8:56am
- Tall Man
  
  Practising for later.
  
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  June 3, 2020 9:15am
- kowtow
  
  https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2020/06/01/video-white-people-kneel-ask-forgiveness-from-the-black-community-in-third-ward/
  
  During the prayer, the white people in attendance knelt down and asked for forgiveness for years of racism.
  
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  June 3, 2020 10:07am
Swifty

What an entirely speculative and confusing mess from Dr Joel Rindelaub today:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/121695439/why-black-lives-matter-in-new-zealand-too

Because we have some Maori and Pacific Islanders falling behind in some stats then we must have systemic and institutional racism.

That is very poor coming from a supposed academic – in that he hasn’t established the causal link between the two. Nor has he addressed the fact that we our society is replete with examples of both Maori and PIs who are doing exceedingly well in this country of ours.

Piss poor in fact. It’s a fail grade from me Mr University Professor – you must resit this paper.

But love the porn star mo’ though Joel!

https://unidirectory.auckland.ac.nz/profile/jrin366
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June 3, 2020 9:04am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Spot on Swifty! Looks a bit like Johnny Wadd 😛
  
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  June 3, 2020 9:12am
  - skyblue
    
    Johnny Wadd, Privates Detective.
    
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    June 3, 2020 9:21am
  - Tall Man
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Holmes_(actor)
    
    Now was it you or your partner that remembered that Maggie?
    
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    June 3, 2020 9:23am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      He’s got quite the collection! Often have a few friends over for a drink and a laugh 😀
      
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      June 3, 2020 9:45am
- graham
  
  I’m thinking it might be best for my blood pressure to avoid the NZ Herald, Stuff, etc, for the next week or so … there’s only going to be more of this type of thing.
  
  Yesterday it was “Confronting my skinny white male privilege” in the Herald – today I see a “Coming to terms with what ‘white privilege’ really means” story.
  
  So over it already.
  
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  June 3, 2020 9:46am
  - Philview
    
    For some reason the Left wants to import the toxic politics of the US to NZ.
    
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    June 3, 2020 11:29am
  - Nickc2
    
    Don’t accept it, do something about it.
    
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    June 3, 2020 12:42pm
- burt
  
  OK, so I think I understand what we’re saying here. Generations of welfare and special privilege have resulted in poor outcomes for Maori and they way to address that is with more welfare and special privilege.
  
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  June 3, 2020 9:52am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Yep, Welfare ‘kindness’, making it an attractive long term lifestyle choice , enmisserates the marginally employable. Infantalising recipients, removing structure, meaning and discipline from their lives and thereby ensuring their kids are fucked up through lack of parental focus.
    
    Left is populated with people too stupid to understand that ‘help’ they want to give is the equivalent of handing out heroin to junkies.
    
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    June 3, 2020 10:45am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Were those who “failed” able to have done any better for themselves than they achieved?
    Do whites ever fail or are every one of them on at least $100K a year?
    
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    June 3, 2020 10:58am
  - Paulus
    
    Interesting that he % of Afro Americans as a share of the US population is 16%.
    This is the same % as what we call Maori in New Zealand.
    
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    June 3, 2020 2:09pm
- Brian Marshall
  
  I have been seeing more claims of White Privilege by white women on social media. It’s actually Bull Shit dressed up as academic argument with the only statistics showing correlation, but not causation. And comparing ethnic groups for outcomes ignores differences within ethnic groups as much differences between ethnic groups. It’s actually racist against both white people and non white people. I wish these freaking useless grifters would shut the hell up once and for all.
  
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  June 3, 2020 10:30am
  - Jack5
    
    It’s the “systemic racism” that’s most flaky.
    
    When you can’t be specific about racism, you just troll statistics until you mind some where non-white people rank lower than white people proportionately. This won’t be rugby league or All Blacks-level rugby union or basketball or jazz musicians.
    
    Then you shout “systemic racism”.
    
    In fact, it’s “systemic bullshit”.
    
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    June 3, 2020 2:40pm
MCos

Looks like Winston is well & truly into election campaign mode with his agitation for an immediate move to Level 1.
As things stand his populist party will either not be in the next parliament or not part of the next coalition.
If, on the remote chance he forced Labour’s hand and we were in Level 1 by now, he would claim credit.
If infections subsequently increased he’d probably be nowhere to be found. (Neither would Seymour)

The way things have been going lately Toddy would ask questions in the House and next minute it would be his fault!
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June 3, 2020 9:20am
MrTips

You know that recent news about a “sentinel paper” showing hydroxychloroquine was no good, in fact deleterious, for COVID19?

Well it turns out that paper has serious issues and is the focus of investigations about its authenticity and rigour: https://retractionwatch.com/2020/06/02/nejm-places-expression-of-concern-on-controversial-study-of-drugs-for-covid-19/#more-119601

to wit, point 5 from the letter signed by 180 scientists :

Data from Australia are not compatible with government reports (too many cases for just five hospitals, more in-hospital deaths than had occurred in the entire country during the study period). Surgisphere (the data company) have since stated this was an error of classification of one hospital from Asia. This indicates the need for further error checking
throughout the database.

IMHO, Mandeep Mehra and Sepan Desai are NeckDeep in the shit now!
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June 3, 2020 9:27am
- Michael NZ
  
  The wife brought home the Lancet paper for me and 1 day later I came across the article debunking it, which I passed on. no comment..
  
  https://spectator.org/lancetgate-pulling-a-fast-one-on-proponents-of-hydroxychloroquine-and-chloroquine/
  
  It seems loads of scientists want to know who editorised and passed it, more importantly who at Lancet went to WHO to stop all studies!
  
  Must say it is reinforcing the whole science bit for me.
  Which after decades of the AGW bullshit is a nice change.
  
  Only thing is, all these studies don’t include ZINC, which is essential apparently as it is the hydroxy that opens the door for the ZINC to get into the cell and unravel the virus….
  As per The Zelensky Cocktail.
  
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  June 3, 2020 9:54am
Swifty

Sorry, just what was the threat this man was fearful of before he first came to NZ?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300019697/former-chinese-soldier-gains-nz-refugee-status-despite-lying-on-visa-application

None. There was no threat. What he did was manufacture a threat by lying to get in here and then deliberately seeking out and teaming up with Falun Gong once he got to NZ.

We’ve been had yet again.

Too easy.
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June 3, 2020 9:36am
- Michael NZ
  
  Who is he?
  really?
  
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  June 3, 2020 9:55am
surfing

So far Muller is doing a shite job. I thought this guy was supposed to be clever? Listening to him in parliament was a cringe. He just handed Jacinda a free card to promote labour.

Hopefully he will improve.
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June 3, 2020 9:37am
- Michael NZ
  
  Labour-lite
  National will get pissed on at this rate.
  Even the Mrs has changed from 2 ticks blue to I’m giving my party vote to David Seymour!
  
  When Collins stabbed him in the back and Soiman said nothing, people took notice.
  My Girl is not a political animal, but she’s not daft.
  
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  June 3, 2020 9:58am
curry4me

You get almost identical e.mails from NZ Worst, and Colonel Balogun from Scams R Us, asking for your credit card number and pin. You have to choose one of them. Which one will you choose?
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June 3, 2020 9:40am
Durden

RNZ is running a 6-part series called “After the Virus” presented by Guyon Espiner. I caught the hour long episode on the “Environment” while driving in the car. I drove off the road a couple of times early in the piece.

But the series might be worth keeping an eye on.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/programmes/post-covid-podcast/story/2018748032/after-the-virus-the-environment

All three panelists were not only ardent global warmists–they actually make a living solely out of the movement. Christiana Figueres, head of the UN climate change response that led to the Paris Agreement 2015, current head of the United Nations Development Programme Achim Steiner, and NZ’s own Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment Simon Upton.

If you want to see how one sided the global “discussion” is going to be — this is a good example. No balance and no alternate view points allowed. It sounded like a bunch of out of touch impractical people indulging in a circle jerk. That includes Espiner.

Figueras basically stated that the 2-3 month worldwide lockdown period affecting 99% of the world’s population negatively and with huge long term consequences, temporarily reduced the emissions only by 8%. No proof quoted. No doubt some scientists using their colonic “models” came out with that turd. She states that this proves we don’t even have the 10 years they were talking about to climate armageddon before the virus hit, she now thinks we only have “basically anywhere between three to 18 months because by the end of those 18 months all the decisions, and in fact most of the allocations of the recovery packages (Est. $20 T), will have been made”. She goes on to suggest that halving of emissions by 50% by 2030 as recommended by (Paris accord) scientists needs an annualised change of 7.6%—so we have to deal with the equivalent impact of a pandemic every year until 2030? To confuse us, she complicates the matter by listing a whole bunch of other emergencies at the same time and thinks we need to address all of those together while presenting ZERO ideas about how.

Figueres sounded like shill for big business, trying to funnel as much money out of the expected $20 Trillion worldwide virus recovery budget funded by the public to big businesses poised for the next phase of screwing the public. They will corner most of the money purporting to provide the world with a New Green Economy and New Green Jobs. Her modus operandi reminds me of that of that great conman Henry Paulson, the US Treasury Secretary, and his railroading of the emergency $800 billion stimulus bill during 2008 global economic crisis which mostly went to the big banks and financial institutions that re-badged themselves as banks. Joe public got some hush money—crumbs in the form of a stimulus check of some thousand dollars each.

Paulson is still at the trough and is “now the chairman of the Paulson Institute, which he founded in 2011 to promote sustainable economic growth and a cleaner environment around the world”

This time its a much bigger play– $800 Billion has become $20 Trillion jackpot.

If only the common voting public get to hear the bull shit spewing out of Figueras’ mouth and the others, and see what Paulson et al did, now with clear 20/20 hindsight, they will quickly conclude that they are being scared and herded to a place very dangerous to their life and livelihoods by the impractical ravings of the climate crazed useful idiots and their usual puppet masters.

And that if they, the public, do not respond to kicking these biased so called decision makers out of positions of power they are in for a whole lot of pain by the experiments that they are going to be subjected to for the next 10-20 years. Until the next big scam. And if you think wee need someone like The great Obama ? Nah, he was simply castrated during the first few months of his presidency.

The “Never waste a good crisis” strategy is in full play.
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June 3, 2020 9:46am
- fernglas
  
  Isn’t it a bit premature to be doing programmes about what happens after the virus? It’s still around, last thing I heard, and could continue to make a big impact medically even in this country with the onset of winter and the complete inadequacy of our border controls. Economically we’ve barely seen the start of the effects, and yet these deluded little New Zealanders like Espiner are running around pretending it’s all over. Sad little country, sad little people.
  
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  June 3, 2020 10:23am
  - Jules99
    
    I think that is the point. Praise the response of the captain before the ship goes down.
    
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    June 3, 2020 12:30pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Ah… the Woman who admitted that the Climate Change treaties aren’t to save mankind from roasting to death, but are to destroy capitalism.
  
  “This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution,”
  https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/climate-change-scare-tool-to-destroy-capitalism/
  
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  June 3, 2020 10:38am
  - Durden
    
    Nasty piece of work. And the panel discussion above shows she is now excited that she has a crisis and opportunity.
    
    It will end as always wih the common people marching some of these crazier people off to the metaphorical guillotine.
    
    It will be a sad day if they don’t. It will suggest that humans have lost everything that makes them naturally human.
    
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    June 3, 2020 12:34pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  But was it manufactured?
  
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  June 3, 2020 11:06pm
I remember when

HOW, WHY, WHAT:
What if anything do these figures tell us.
Recovered Cases plus Deaths divided by Deaths (in other words the result for all resolved cases).
Worldometer 1 death per every 8.73 cases
Diamond Princess ” ” ” 51.08 cases
Belgium ” ” ” 2.68 cases
France ” ” ” 3.37 cases
Germany ” ” ” 20.31 Cases
Israel ” ” ” 52.97 cases
Australia ” ” 65.33 cases
New Zealand ” ” 68.32 cases
Pacific Islands 0 ” ” 104 cases
Saudi Arabia 1 ” ” 123.48 cases
Faeroe Islands 0 ” ” 187 cases
Hong Kong 1 ” ” 260.25 ”
Bahrain 1 ” ” 373.42 ”
Perhaps our Ministry of Health or Shaun Hendry could tell us what their extensive research has revealed.
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June 3, 2020 10:08am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  It’s a mostly useless metric as it just shows that majority of cases are not being identifies in many countries.
  
  Standouts are Qatar and Singapore with less than 0.1% of infected dying.
  
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  June 3, 2020 10:48am
brett68

National needs to ask questions around the free apprentice training scheme.
The sheeple seem to think you sign up and will be trained up to be a qualified tradesman for free and go earn the big money

From what I can see it is nothing more than pre-trade training courses with no guarantee of any job or apprenticeship at the end of it.

This is more about trying to hide unemployment numbers than anything else.
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June 3, 2020 10:09am
- Tall Man
  
  ardern and the coalition are into “soundbites” and “headlines” fully aware that neither the media or the voters on welfare will look hard into anything.
  
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  June 3, 2020 10:36am
  - brett68
    
    Then National has to point out why it’s not what everyone thinks it is, that’s their job as opposition.
    
    The narrative is National has no plan and Labour has everything planned out.
    
    It’s up to National to point out that what they’re proposing is nonsense.
    
    You don’t have to offer an alternative either, just say we don’t do polices that are misleading and fake.
    
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    June 3, 2020 11:29am
    - rockape
      
      Jacinda wanted to be held to account by the voters, lets do this!
      
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      June 3, 2020 1:01pm
    - Tall Man
      
      And National gets that narrative out there how?
      
      You still don’t get it do you?
      
      The media aren’t out to deny National airtime because they don’t like them, they are out to destroy National to protect and then re-elect ardern.
      
      Trump’s style will not work here because all those that control the airwaves are enthralled with the worst pm we have ever been inflicted with.
      
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      June 3, 2020 8:12pm
- Nickc2
  
  Exactly Brett!
  
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  June 3, 2020 11:11am
- rockape
  
  What I struggle to understand is what trades do we need to train for. With dozens of engineers builders etc made redundant or likely to be so are we planning to train Builders in welding. Mechanical engineers in building seems a bit dumb to me. When we are allowed to get back to normal. those who were made redundant will largely go back to the trade they were skilled in ,be it hospitality,retail or the skilled trades.
  
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  June 3, 2020 1:00pm
Swifty

Just look at these naive fools acting like babies on our streets:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12336737

Racism in New Zealand is on it’s deathbed. There has never been a time in our history when racist speech, behaviour, acts or attitudes have been given such short shrift by New Zealanders. Racism is universally condemned and New Zealanders, as a whole, bend over backwards to ensure they keep their noses clean in this regard.

But these fools, like they have some secret knowledge denied anyone else but actually because their so blindingly ignorant of their own history, claim that racism has never been worse. That we’re soaking in it. And that only through the implementation of their social system will the dragon ever be slain.

What a load of childish nonsense.

I content that the single greatest threat we face as a nation is the continuing expansion of the powers and size of the state.

At the rate we’re going in the next few decades we’ll be another Greece, Venezuela or failed African shithole.

Free enterprise taxed or regulated out of all competitiveness, the massive deadweight of the state perched on our shoulders draining us of all life, foreign capital having long escaped to lands more welcoming and the tiny proportion of productive New Zealanders trying but failing to provide a living for the large unproductive rump and massive, crippling and unsustainable state overhead.

Previous generations of New Zealanders, if they could, would stare open-mouthed at our stupidity for destroying the very things that made us successful in the first place – our independence, resourcefulness, enterprise, thriftiness and risk-taking.
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June 3, 2020 10:16am
- krazykiwi
  
  Racism is universally condemned and New Zealanders, as a whole, bend over backwards to ensure they keep their noses clean in this regard.
  
  I know what you’re saying, but the truth is New Zealand society is fully embracing of racism: We allow race-based allocation public resources. We prioritise medical cases base on race. We provide university and local body placements based on race. We provide race-based representation in our parliament. We accept unending payment of reparations to Maori elite today based on actual or fabricated hardship endured 4+ generations ago.
  
  Racism is systemically embedded in New Zealand culture because too few will call it out, ironically and ridiculously because they fear being labeled racist.
  
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  June 3, 2020 11:30am
I remember when

HOLY S**T IS THIS THE SAME DISEASE:
Singapore: Recovered Cases 23,175 Deaths 24.
This gives them the truly remarkable total of 1 death for every 967 Cases.
While the media have delighted in revealing their second wave, the lack of deaths has been totally ignored. Helen Clark used Singapore’s early relaxation resulting in this second wave in her justification of the WHO performance.
Surely, there is a case for immediate and extensive research.
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June 3, 2020 10:25am
- JackRabbit
  
  So o.1% mortality rate and that is not counting asymptomatic cases. So a mortality rate less than the flu.
  
  Which is what the unfiltered doctors who deal in specifics have been saying all along.
  
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  June 3, 2020 12:15pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    It’s a little skewed because Singapore’s infected are mostly young immigrant workers in dormitories, and confirms lots of other data which puts infection fatality rate for <40's at less than 1 in 2000.
    
    Best guide to risk of death by age is that it is equal to about 4months of your normal risk of death.
    
    And don't look now but Hydroxycloroquine results for early use are looking very positive: https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/4-hydroxychloroquine-hcq-doses-coronavirus-healthcare-workers-icmr-1684112-2020-06-01
    
    The Lancet published study that sparked a lot of banning of trials has been shown to be a total fraud based on fabricated data: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/29/health/coronavirus-hydroxychloroquine.html
    One wonders who paid for this, Anti-Trumps or Competing dug company?
    
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    June 3, 2020 1:13pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      Yes, and in addition there are new drugs out that reduce recovery time for many viruses by as much as 60%. Something that high doses of raw garlic or prescribed amounts of Kyolic Aged Garlic Extract has been doing for 3 or 4 decades.
      
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      June 3, 2020 3:07pm
Jack5

What is the use of having a Parliament and elections when unelected liberal elites like NZ’s Immigration and Protection Tribunal override all and set the standards.

The latest ruling from the tribunal allows to stay in the country a former Chinese soldier who came to NZ on a visitor’s visa and says he converted to Falun Gong.

“Five Eyes” might as well kick New Zealand out now. As well as a socialist Prime Minister, we have signalled to authoritarian states such as China that all they need to do to get Western cover for spies is to send them to NZ on visitor visas then get them into Falun Gong.

We aren’t the only Western democracy being undermined by the unelected Leftist elite. After the peace deal in Northern Ireland, Britain’s politics-playing Supreme Court has ruled it was illegal to intern IRA leader in the 1970s. This opens the door for former IRA detainees to sue Britain. It is despite the Northern Ireland peace deal, and parallels legal persecution of former British soldiers who served in Northern Ireland.

It follows the case of the ignominious British lawyer and law professor, Phil Shiner, being struck off the professional register for professional misconduct, including dishonesty. Shiner led the legal cases taken against British military veterans who served in Iraq.

The liberal elites seem to be trying to shut out of democracy all to their Right. They don’t see the vulnerability they ultimately create for themselves, if the liberal elite’s power trumps that of voters.

How to get your spies NZ citizenship: send them to NZ and let them take on a Falun Gong identity:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300019697/former-chinese-soldier-gains-nz-refugee-status-despite-lying-on-visa-application
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June 3, 2020 10:28am
- Jack5
  
  The later Stuff report of the Immigration and Protection Tribunal overriding the Immigration Department’s refusal of refugee status to a former Chinese soldier who has joined Falun Gong includes:
  
  “Without more evidence, the Tribunal could have concluded the man’s claim was the product of a predetermined effort to find any way to remain in New Zealand indefinitely, its judgement said.
  
  “But its concerns were outweighed by the evidence given by the experienced Falun Gong practitioner.”
  
  So, the tribunal rules that Falun Gong stipulates which adherent can settle in New Zealand. Until this, I always had sympathy for them. Now, I think they should bugger off to Tibet or some other place to practise their mumbo-jumbo and re-home recruits.
  
  Until then, it’s a way for Beijing to get Western identity for its spooks.
  
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  June 3, 2020 1:44pm
Bobba Fret

This guy never had any intention of leaving once his visitors visa ran out! He has played the system perfectly with the support of Gloriz.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300026388/national-party-deeply-suspicious-of-refugee-behrouz-boochanis-visa
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June 3, 2020 10:29am
- burt
  
  It was obvious from the moment he was greeted off the plane by an MP that he was special and the rules we apply to other peoples families wouldn’t be applied to him.
  
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  June 3, 2020 10:46am
  - Jack5
    
    If Canberra agrees to a bubble with Jacindarella, will this help Behrouz Boochani slink into Australia?
    
    Can the Aussies trust Jacindarella?
    
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    June 3, 2020 11:11am
MCos

Two people wore MAGA caps to the Auckland BLM March and wondered why people got upset.
Talk about not reading the street.

I know how they felt.

I once went into a crowded adidas shop in Christchurch with my son and called out to an assistant – Where’s all the Hurricanes stuff?
The place went quiet, true story.
Talk about not reading the room!

Fortunately I didn’t ask about a Blues jersey with King Carlos on the back.
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June 3, 2020 10:44am
- skyblue
  
  Thats nothing. I once wore a Manchester United FC shirt at the Kop end at Liverpool FC. That is stress. My scouse mate told me he did not know me. Luckily my jacket covered most of it up.
  
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  June 3, 2020 3:30pm
Philview

I have just read that 3 NZ police officers have been charged with manslaughter today. Hard to see what they did wrong per the media report and have to question if there is political pressure involved as very well timed with the protests around the country.
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June 3, 2020 11:55am
- Mike
  
  Well, the facts have not been made public yet, so I can’t imagine how you can make such a judgement.
  
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  June 3, 2020 3:48pm
Maggie Pie

How silly is this!!
Just shot down to Westfield Mall to get a new pair of the light blue skinny ripped jeans from H&M.
They told me i couldn’t try them on, because their fitting rooms have to remain locked until Level one!
Yet i could buy them, take them home to try, then bring them back for a refund or swap for another pair any time within the next 30 days.

Am I missing something??
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June 3, 2020 11:58am
- Jacinda Ardhern
  
  Obedience!
  
  That’s wot you’re missing 🙂
  
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  June 3, 2020 12:03pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    It really seems crazy tho, eh?
    Once i’ve finished lunch I’ll try them on and see how they look.
    At least I get to go commando 😀
    
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    June 3, 2020 12:38pm
- emmess
  
  Am I missing something??
  
  Yes, you forgot to start a riot.
  
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  June 3, 2020 12:15pm
- burt
  
  Yes you are missing something, you need to quietly repeat to yourself.
  
  I must work harder and Jacinda is always right.
  
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  June 3, 2020 4:29pm
- Tall Man
  
  Common sense. Why pay for ripped jeans, are you fucking nuts?
  
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  June 3, 2020 9:15pm
I remember when

UrbanNeocolonist @ 10.48am
Not too sure about the useless metric as it shows identified cases against deaths, two known metrics.
Countries have been selected as they are those we would largely consider reputable.
While it may not be a reliable indicator of total cases per countries, it may show those that have done a better job.
Again shows that there appears to be something that may lessen the toxicity in hotter countries.
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June 3, 2020 12:31pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

PTPM on play school TV1 today at 1.30.
Was to be 3pm according to Deputy PTPM.
I think they just enjoy fucking the public around
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June 3, 2020 12:32pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Did not happen. Someone fucked up and it wasn’t me
  
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  June 3, 2020 1:42pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://babylonbee.com/news/heres-our-guide-to-being-prepared-for-rioting
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June 3, 2020 12:38pm
I remember when

Of course it is Level 1, 1/0 or 0.
Knew it was coming when The AM Show poll showed 2/3rds in favour of doing away with Level 2.
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June 3, 2020 12:40pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

http://protestjobs.com/?fbclid=IwAR2RlEJQ_bokNfZtNO-sjU-32Vx6sIHcJ4C0LFdWrTKMHRyeW-eVOOKloTo
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June 3, 2020 12:52pm
Maggie Pie

My partner was just saying he’d like to see where a Maori cop puts his knee on some Pakeha guys neck and kills him.
We could do with a new Telly.
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June 3, 2020 1:04pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Another promise fulfilled. Mayor Bowser can suck eggs.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/06/01/d-c-mass-riots-end-as-trump-military-restore-order-in-nations-capital/?fbclid=IwAR1JsTKQxDj-elx-z7nYhRQFmWlLKYr-u1Dzy0sFH4xgXYtbtmFTzxXe1A4
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June 3, 2020 1:40pm
Tauhei Notts

Trump’s chances are diminishing each day.
On 24th February he was the $1.69 hot favourite for the presidency and Sleepy Joe was a $34 rough outsider. Now on 3rd June The Donald is out to $2.32 and The Sleepy One is a hot $2.00 favourite.
Trump makes politics interesting. I do not think Trump is the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I find him likeable, particularly as he sticks it fair and square up the chutneys of the main stream media. I also like how he puts lefty parasites into a paroxysm of despair. That is delightful to watch. So his demise as a politician is sad to see.
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June 3, 2020 1:49pm
Wired-one

Another example of our media being a disgrace on The AM show this morning. Garner expecting Muller to announce all his policies in the first week. Then the interview was followed by criticism etc because Muller refused to announce them all immediately today. I have no issue with our media grilling MPs, but ffs compared to the way Ardern and co get interviewed, (when they actually are in a position to deliver it), National and Seymour get hammered. What the hell is Labours plan for a potential second term? Where’s the questioning on that you incompetent, sycophantic, biased media twats! God kiwis need to wake up, this isnt journalism, it’s a bunch of fangirls trying to seem impartial to a nation of stupid people, who swallow it up!
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June 3, 2020 1:51pm
Jack5

Tongan seasonal workers raped a young woman in Central Otago. They get sentences of less than six years each, to they could be out in time for fruit picking in a couple of years.

But will they be deported, and will the Immigration and Protection Tribunal let any deportation stand? (Just who are being protected by the “Protection” indicated in its title? New Zealanders? Nope.)

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/121597832/seasonal-workers-jailed-for-lakeside-abduction-and-sex-attack
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June 3, 2020 1:58pm
- Mike
  
  What makes you think they would not be deported?
  
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  June 3, 2020 3:44pm
  - Jack5
    
    Hi to Mike of the Many Monikers!?
    
    What makes you think that the rapists won’t be deported?
    
    Are you basing your question on an analysis of the decisions of the NZ Immigration and Protection Tribunal?
    
    Higher in the thread, you should have noticed the post about the Chinese soldier who says he converted to Falun Gong and has been allowed by the Tribunal to stay. I suggested that the Tribunal had Gong Wrong on this.
    
    Or have you merely asked a rhetorical question with no intended reply, because what you’d really like the Moderators to let you post is :”How the fuck do you know?”
    
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    June 3, 2020 4:26pm
    - Mike
      
      Yes, how the fuck would you know?
      
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      June 3, 2020 6:04pm
      - Jack5
        
        Had to uptick you for that!
        
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        June 3, 2020 8:42pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

They have the right to peaceful protest, but it is in no way peaceful. Legal opinion about use of military.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db50kqa9j4g
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June 3, 2020 2:05pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

How to get to level 1 without saying when.
What a load of wholesale fucking horseshit.
I will supply the wool – you know what to do with it!
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12336901
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June 3, 2020 3:26pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  So play school TV1 morning nosebag says announcement at 1.30 – the it moved back to 3pm.
  Then today we are told that we will be TOLD on MONDAY for fuck’s sake.
  So so so dodgy
  
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  June 3, 2020 3:29pm
BananaLlama

Sorry these polls seem a bit fishy to me. Greens on 7%? I doubt that very much.
I can believe Labour are over 50% but that they haven’t sucked the life out of the Greens seems fishy to me.
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June 3, 2020 3:43pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Only Wednesday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXeRB-3nDR8
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June 3, 2020 4:03pm
Jack5

No room for racism in the NZ police, says Police Minister Nash.

What were the Maori tribal road blocks during early stages of Covid-19 that police ignored, and in some cases seem to have co-operated with?

They weren’t citizens’ road blocks, they were specifically Maori road blocks. If one race blocks roads, isn’t that racism?

Maori vigilante road blocks:

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/05/coronavirus-local-iwi-s-travel-permits-at-bay-of-plenty-community-roadblocks-mean-nothing-police-say.html

Nash on police and racism:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12336954
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June 3, 2020 5:49pm
Fletch

I heard on the radio news that the govt is going ahead with subsidizing “period products” for 25 Waikato schools, to the tune of $2.5 million.
Whatever next?
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June 3, 2020 6:02pm
RiP NZ

Dan Bongino on Twitter: ““C’mon OG” – Saddest thing I’ve seen in a long time ????” / Twitter
https://twitter.com/dbongino/status/1267986020575911937

Anyone still slinking around saying ‘it’s just a few bad apples’

Wake….the fk up.
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June 3, 2020 6:26pm
- Tall Man
  
  “Some” black lives matter, but not if they’re murdered by another black it seems.
  
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  June 3, 2020 9:10pm
greybeard

What a load of SHIT.

This whole situation is simply a political stunt now:
Ardern and her acolytes trying to control the country for as long as they can.
It is a exercise in socialist, communist control over a population.

This will not end well.
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June 3, 2020 6:36pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/121704086/we-should-welcome-the-avatar-crew-tell-them-to-bring-all-their-mates-too

And how many American $$ greased the palms of NZ government ministers in order to allow these “super-special” people into NZ ?
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June 3, 2020 6:45pm
- Tall Man
  
  I don’t care. Open the fucking borders, quarantine all who enter and let’s get this world moving again.
  
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  June 3, 2020 9:05pm
Akarak

So if the govt is going to spend $2.6 million on providing sanitary products for schoolgirls how much will they spend on providing shaving products for schoolboys?
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June 3, 2020 8:14pm
MrTips

The real news here is not the Level 1 recommendation. The real news is someone keeps leaking Cabinet documents. https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/06/leaked-government-paper-says-new-zealand-could-be-at-covid-19-alert-level-1-already.html

Winston needs to get his hand grip checked.
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June 3, 2020 8:25pm
Wired-one

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/121712829/coronavirus-leaked-paper-appears-to-show-new-zealand-could-ease-restrictions-now

This isn’t about health outcomes, its about the upcoming election and trying to push the opposition aside for another few weeks, so you remain the headline and get your daily personal speech to the nation. So much for not politicizing a pandemic eh Jacinda, disgraceful. No level now!
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