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Paulus Gnome

Pound to a pinch of Pukeko poo that there is no hijab tomorrow to show that her Virtuesignalingness understands that the headscarf signifies oppression of Muslim women
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March 14, 2020 8:07am
- igm
  
  I will be ignoring the whole pantomine and trimming a hedge or stacking hay . . . something productive!
  
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  March 14, 2020 8:37am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I’ll be washing my hair.
    
    Being folically challenged, that hair will be getting a lot of attention
    
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    March 14, 2020 8:53am
  - G152
    
    On the news I caught a glimpse of Cindy with the muslim women partitioned off from the males.
    Real sexual equality
    
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    March 14, 2020 9:20am
  - Wangas Feral
    
    I am butchering a pig for the freezer. Will be eating a bit of pork if/when we are quarantined.
    
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    March 14, 2020 9:34am
    - hookerphil
      
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      March 14, 2020 11:12am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      I’m buying some bacon to celebrate a peaceful weekend.
      
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      March 14, 2020 12:21pm
- mikenmildagain
  
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  Not what it signifies, but enjoy your fantasy anyway.
  
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  March 14, 2020 8:41am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Gee I didn’t realise how much I missed you. The insightful cutting pithyiness of your commentary will be gratefully reviled once agin by others here.
    
    Please be your normal ungracious self and get banned again asap.
    
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    March 14, 2020 8:56am
  - rouppe
    
    Well it kinda is. It is required by the men to satisfy the teaching on modesty when in fact the Koran tells all Muslims to be modest, not just women
    
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    March 14, 2020 9:03am
    - Wangas Feral
      
      Did you know that the reason Mohammed tells men to wear beards is that without beards men look like women and other men will get aroused by them. I remember that from my days of going to the mosque as a teenager when I flirted with this religion.
      
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      March 14, 2020 9:35am
    - mikenmildagain
      
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      It is a cultural, rather than a religious requirement. But go and talk about it with a repressed Catholic nun if you want.
      
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      March 14, 2020 10:50am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Last I saw, the difference is:
        Being a nun is, and always has been…voluntary.
        Women, try and NOT wear a head scarf in Iran.
        
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        March 14, 2020 11:39am
      - Overworked
        
        Why don’t you go and talk about it with an imprisoned Iranian woman, tossed in jail for uncovering her hair?
        
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        March 14, 2020 6:59pm
  - Tall Man
    
    So you’ve come back still bitter eh mikey.
    
    There have been numerous written requests to ardern to “cease and desist” as many do view it as a symbol of the oppression of muslim women but hey, you stick to your fantasy.
    
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    March 14, 2020 9:09am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Yep..
      Iranian women’s rights activist says NZ hijab display after Christchurch shooting is ‘heartbreaking’
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12218679
      
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      March 14, 2020 9:36am
      - sam green
        
        Walking a tightrope is never easy.
        
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        March 14, 2020 6:32pm
    - Michael NZ
      
      sure mmm
      just google “white Wednesdays” or “my stealthy freedom”
      
      Sadly your moronic leader possibly thinks erroneously, if she can wear the headpiece they’ll (Islamic Jihad) not attack NZ, in retaliation for an Aussie Murdering 51 of their own.
      
      She’s the communication specialist and political operator par excellence, so she’ll know all about the oppressed women in Islam, but then they don”t count as votes do they?
      
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      March 14, 2020 10:37am
  - Thought Criminal
    
    I love how the muslim community don’t want it but she’s doing it anyway.
    
    What does that signify?
    
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    March 14, 2020 9:11am
    - Tall Man
      
      “They are not us” but “she is them”…….
      
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      March 14, 2020 9:15am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      In my mind it signifies arrogance, ignorance and rudeness.
      
      The wishes of the victims are being ignored; the tragedy is being exploited once again for political purposes.
      
      The actions of the Australian shooter are being publicised again, and again, and again.
      
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      March 14, 2020 9:22am
      - sooty
        
        Isn’t it great that the aussie shooter is been publicised again, but we aren’t allowed to know why!
        
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        March 14, 2020 9:28am
      - cmm
        
        This is all posturing for the #CinD4UN crowd, 99% of whom do not know what the victims’ wishes are.
        
        Besides, the poor girl has been practicing in the mirror for a year…
        
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        March 14, 2020 9:31am
      - SB 2
        
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        MW, it your mind it signifies that you utterly detest the PM whether wearing a hijab or not.
        
        It would appear that most in the Muslim community and especially those directly affected by the maasaacre mighly appreciated her gesture including “they are us”
        
        BTW “are “they us” ?
        
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        March 14, 2020 11:20am
      - SB 2
        
        sooty, the murderer will be far , far from most peoples minds on the 15th.
        
        Except possibly the deranged.
        
        After all ANZAC commemorations do not give currency to Nazi or Japanaese atrocities.
        
        It is about the fallen similar to those who fell during the Mosque attacks.
        
        Agree!
        
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        March 14, 2020 11:25am
      - cmm
        
        SB: Drawing an equivance between the “fallen” on 15 March last year and ANZACs is disturbing on many levels:
        
        1) The ANZACs knew what they were facing and did it out of duty to give their lives if necessary.. Yes, adventure too, but primarily duty. Those victims in Christchurch did not go to the mosque with any hint of risk.
        
        2) The fallen suggests this was war? Was it. Do we really want this fanned into a Jihadi thing that is fanned and inflamed? The Al Noor Mosque already has problems in that department.
        
        3) As MW says, it is grossly insensitive to the traditions of the victims. We commemorate ANZAC because, in our culture, commemoration is something we do.
        
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        March 14, 2020 11:38am
      - Swifty
        
        Stiffboy,
        
        Are these us too?
        
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2020/03/general_debate_9_march_2020.html#comment-2656159
        
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        March 14, 2020 11:41am
      - cmm
        
        SB 2: “BTW: They are us.”
        
        Really?
        
        Why all the talk of the Muslim community then?
        
        What happened to the Christchurch community? If they are us, then there would be one community here which they are welcome to join any time they choose.
        
        I do not believe you live in Christchurch, so you have no skin in the game.
        
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        March 14, 2020 11:44am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        No, Stephieboy, I detest no human being.
        
        Once again you fail to understand another person’s point of view.
        
        The people directly affected by this Tragedy have no wish for another memorial service.
        
        Remember we already had one…last March
        https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-29/christchurch-shooting-victims-honoured-memorial-service/10951996
        
        This is what one of the Mothers of the dead said:
        “But for us, [is it] like we want this? We don’t. [Is it] really helping much? It’s not. In fact, it’s triggering a lot of things. And it’s putting a lot of pressure on us.”
        
        https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/08/brutalised-but-defiant-christchurch-massacre-survivors-one-year-on
        
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        March 14, 2020 1:20pm
      - SB 2
        
        cmm, my dictionary,
        
        fallen
        adjective
        1 he attended a mass for his fallen comrades: dead, killed, murdered, slain, slaughtered, perished, expired, deceased; lost, late, lamented, departed, gone; rare demised.
        
        ANTONYMS surviving
        
        Fallen in this case is fitting and it is not necessarily associat4d with ” The Fallen ” immortalised and appropriated by Laurence Binyon
        
        MW, not all in the Muslim community necessarily fell that way. Show differently
        
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        March 14, 2020 1:31pm
      - SB 2
        
        Swifty, MERMI? Totally out of context quotes that do not reflect ordinary Mulsim sentiments here in NZ and elsewhere!
        
        Look carefully again,
        
        https://www.facebook.com/NocontextMemriTVmemes/
        
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        March 14, 2020 1:37pm
      - Swifty
        
        Out of context?
        
        You, sir, are a liar.
        
        Have you even watched the vids? Some of them are even talking in English!
        
        “There are none so blind as those who will not see….”
        
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        March 14, 2020 2:00pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        There may be a fraction of the Muslim community that wanted another Remembrance Service, but those directly affected did not.
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12312378
        
        Muslims don’t want March 15 memorial service: ‘We want to move on’
        However, Otago Muslim Association president Mohammed Rizwan said many of the victims and their families were not consulted about the service, and were unhappy it was going ahead.
        
        Other Muslim associations have also distanced themselves from commemorative services.
        
        Part of the issue was that in Islamic culture, marking anniversaries was not typically done, Rizwan said.
        
        Read the entire article, stephieboy.
        
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        March 14, 2020 2:24pm
    - John Warren
      
      I noticed that Pasifika and other events have been cancelled due to coronavirus fears, but not this one. That’s because the others didn’t represent a politicking virtue-signalling international-profile-raising opportunity for the toothsome dimwit. But methinks the moment has passed. One year on we’re all back to not really caring much about Muslims
      
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      March 14, 2020 9:22am
      - MrLovebucket
        
        Got it in one. There was no way Jacinduh was going to cancel this photo-op.
        
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        March 14, 2020 1:47pm
    - kevn
      
      @TC.. It’s about me, me , me = JA.
      
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      March 14, 2020 9:27am
    - Hacked-Off
      
      What it signifies Thought Criminal, is that Ardern is in desperate election mode. The needs and wants of the affected Muslim community, and the safety of the Christchurch community as a whole with the ongoing Covid-19 virus are irrelevant if this commemoration gets her a bump in the polls. As I said when polling came out after the 15 March 2019 event in this forum that this would be the high-point in polling for Labour I have been proved right. To my mind in this health crisis Ardern is putting her bid for power over that of the welfare of the country that she purports to represent and govern. If she was truly compassionate then she would have firstly respected the wishes of the Muslim community, and secondly failing that, cancelled any ceremony in light of the ongoing health crisis. This just shows Ardern in her true colours of wanting the power irrespective of the adverse mental and physical effects that it may impose on individuals and groups. She has no shame.
      
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      March 14, 2020 10:52am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    Well, what does it signify then? Given that you have your finger on the pulse of Islamic doctrine and all.
    
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    March 14, 2020 9:13am
- Ruawai
  
  The hijab will actually be able to double as a mask to prevent Corona Virus.
  
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  March 14, 2020 9:08am
  - Michael NZ
    
    Oh I though thats the nikab or postbox as Boris says.
    
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    March 14, 2020 10:38am
- Scooter
  
  No one overseas will pay any attention, more important issues. She must be hating this virus interference.
  
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  March 14, 2020 9:13am
  - DeepBlue
    
    Today’s tally up of RSVPs will show only a handful of people accepted the invite to Sunday’s event. Expect it to become a closed (photoshoot) televised speech due to responsible COVID19 advice. Certainly no wide angle shots of the non existent crowd.
    
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    March 14, 2020 9:43am
  - giltee
    
    Yes but it’ll get her more non Muslim votes than Muslim. That’s all it’s about
    
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    March 14, 2020 10:26am
- Michael NZ
  
  ohh, is that a flying pig I see there ?
  
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  March 14, 2020 10:31am
- Ruahine
  
  What!!. I was so looking forward to such a lot of pretty pictures in the latest fetching outfit and all the world media being ushered on to the best side for the photop.
  
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  March 14, 2020 10:32am
  - John Warren
    
    Anything but the salmon jacket.
    
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    March 14, 2020 1:27pm
- simpleton1
  
  Dawah is an important part in the life of muslims and the now recognized “shaheeds” need to be known.
  
  Da‘wah is also described as the duty to “actively encourage fellow Muslims in the pursuance of greater piety in all aspects of their lives”, a definition which has become central to contemporary Islamic thought. …..
  …… His mission as the final prophet was to repeat to the whole world this call and invitation (dawa) to Islam.
  Muhammad wrote to various non-Muslim rulers, inviting them to convert.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawah blockquote>
  
  So Ardern’s adhan to be heard again across the land, is as essential as the “Christchurch Call”
  Who can deny Mohammad’s adhan, the calling?
  
  It is all in the politics of islam.
  
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  March 14, 2020 11:47am
  - SB 2
    
    And Christianity too,
    
    The three Invistions of Christ
    
    https://decisionmagazine.com/the-three-invitations-of-christ/
    
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    March 14, 2020 1:43pm
- Paulus
  
  Newshub just now says Christchurch Memorial now cancelled by Dalzel.
  More votes in cancellation of it for bold move by Cindy.
  
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  March 14, 2020 1:26pm
Justitia

So another cruise ship steams into Wellington harbour this morning, the “Ruby Princess” – sister of the coronavirus infected “Grand Princess” and “Diamond Princess”. Will its two to three thousand passengers be checked before they land and wander all over the city? Yeah right. Apparently the parent company is suspending all cruises from 17 March because of coronavirus. How blessed we are therefore to receive this visit (sarc). Meanwhile Ardern and her coronavirus committee are reportedly meeting this morning to consider further restrictions. Perhaps they could take a look out the window?
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March 14, 2020 8:08am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  The number of cruise companies cancelling cruises is now reaching avalanche proportions.
  
  Where they will lay them up I don’t know.
  
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  March 14, 2020 8:34am
  - mikenmildagain
    
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    In ports?
    
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    March 14, 2020 8:42am
    - rouppe
      
      And consume valuable – and expensive – berthing space with no income?
      
      You must be a socialist
      
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      March 14, 2020 9:06am
    - fightingtemeraire
      
      Mike
      
      There are several types of lay up.
      
      Cold Lay up. This is where the ship is dead and only connected to shore power and a small watch crew is on board.
      
      Ordinary lay up where there is a small crew and maintenances is done, ship supplied own power and there are ‘hotel facilities” for the staff on board.
      
      Both these are in port and the second could be at an anchorage.
      
      Ship could be sent out to sea with a small crew and slow steaming or drifting in good weather.
      
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      March 14, 2020 9:14am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Great – you answered your own question. Google is amazing, isn’t it?
        
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        March 14, 2020 10:52am
      - John Warren
        
        Great to have you back milky. You’re such a smart-arse piece of shit, we’ve missed your acerbic observations.
        
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        March 14, 2020 1:29pm
  - DeepBlue
    
    Take the largest ships (capacity 5000 guests, 3000 crew thereabouts each) and home all our homeless, ideally somewhere in view of Sandringham.
    
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    March 14, 2020 9:48am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Nope. PTPM will have a working group formed to check it out
  
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  March 14, 2020 8:36am
- Paulus
  
  “Maasdam” in Tauranga moored empty of passengers.
  Understand expected to be there for 5 days before ??
  
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  March 14, 2020 8:54am
- adamsmith1922
  
  My thoughts https://adamsmith.wordpress.com/2020/03/14/nz-response-to-coronavirus-has-been-inconsistent-a-question/
  
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  March 14, 2020 9:35am
- Michael NZ
  
  You have to feel for all those who’s businesses are being decimated by covid19.
  
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  March 14, 2020 10:39am
MrTips

Europe now the centre of COVID-19, according to the WHO. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51876784

The EU can moan all it likes, but Trump was right to call his ban and its likely we and others will follow, but only after hugz and photoz.
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March 14, 2020 8:10am
- Than
  
  Except for the fact that US citizens and permanent residents can still return home, bringing the virus with them.
  
  And the fact that the ban excludes the busiest international airport in Europe (Heathrow), in a country with hundreds of confirmed cases.
  
  And the fact that the number of confirmed coronavirus cases in the USA already makes it an utterly pointless waste of time.
  
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  March 14, 2020 8:42am
  - artemisia
    
    Not a waste of time if the ban slows down the demand for healthcare so it is not overwhelmed. And that will be helped by the US state of emergency so that funding and (I assume) military aid can be provided quickly as needed.
    
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    March 14, 2020 9:39am
  - SB 2
    
    I wonder if the US president by excluding the UK thus far had in mind his Golf course up in Caledonia?
    
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    March 14, 2020 11:28am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  I wonder why his ban excluded countries where he owns hotels.
  
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  March 14, 2020 8:43am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    You really are a piece of work aren’t you mikey?
    
    Utterly consumed by the creeping fear that somewhere, someone, might be living a normal, decent life, and must therefore be punished!
    
    Please accept another downtick from a grateful public, who cannot survive without your masterful commentary.
    
    Bwuhahahaa
    
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    March 14, 2020 9:43am
- Scott
  
  The Swine flu epidemic in the US in 2009. Obama waited until 1,200 were dead and 20,000 were ill before declaring a national emergency. When he finally did it, he was met with praise and adoration from the Left and their lapdog MSM. That epidemic ended up killing 18,000 with 300,000 hospitalized.
  There were little to no event cancellations due to Swine flu.
  
  Than and others have it completely wrong about Trump’s response. The media have not said a good word about him in 4 years. They’re not going to start now
  
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  March 14, 2020 9:26am
  - SB 2
    
    Scott, blatantly untrue!
    
    President Obama declared H1N1 a public health emergency before anyone in the United States died
    
    Fact Check,
    
    Obama acted before pandemic declared
    
    Obama’s acting director of health and human services declared H1N1 a public health emergency on April 26, 2009.
    
    That was when only 20 cases of H1N1 — and no deaths — around the country had been confirmed.
    
    https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/mar/04/facebook-posts/president-obama-declared-h1n1-public-health-emerge/
    
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    March 14, 2020 11:44am
MCos

Tweet of the day (so far)

‘With aging rulers and a weak health system, could the coronavirus lead to a regime change in Iran?’
Newt Gingrich
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March 14, 2020 8:10am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  Moron says what?
  
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  March 14, 2020 8:44am
  - Tall Man
    
    So this guy’s a moron in the esteemed opinion of the winner mikey…
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
    
    Any chance you could list your achievements mikey or are they not as impressive … Yet you think he’s the moron.
    
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    March 14, 2020 9:18am
  - Mags
    
    I rarely comment and enjoy coming to kiwiblog. But your pointless snide comments really distract from otherwise interesting and informed discussions. You obviously get some enjoyment from your little digs, and no doubt comments like this feed your ego. you must have a pretty sour existence.
    
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    March 14, 2020 9:55am
    - Tall Man
      
      His posts are an example of an unfulfilled life.
      
      It’s a shame that someone needs to relieve their own issues by insulting or trying to demean others.
      
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      March 14, 2020 1:49pm
    - curry4me
      
      Mags: I just scroll right past the two resident trolls.
      
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      March 14, 2020 2:05pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      He is just a troll – best ignored. Never comes back with any proof – just links to opinions
      
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      March 14, 2020 2:22pm
  - Nermal
    
    M&M back to full speed from a standing start
    
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    March 14, 2020 2:14pm
- Happychappy
  
  Someone will make a movie out of this like others say now when something goes wrong like in housing and finances, it’s all the fault of greedy baby boomers when most of the fault lays with the younger generation as people have become immune to anti biotics and it takes a lot longer to create a vaccine. But just likes wars , terrorism and other tragedies there will be someone prepared to make a fortune out others misfortune.
  
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  March 14, 2020 9:23am
- Michael NZ
  
  good point Mcos
  but who will succeed, a more virulent stream?
  
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  March 14, 2020 10:41am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Bloodless coups?
    
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    March 14, 2020 2:23pm
- SB 2
  
  Newt Gingrich?
  
  Why not Donald Trump also?.
  
  A stting duck at his age!
  
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  March 14, 2020 11:45am
  - All_on_Red
    
    And you too….
    
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    March 14, 2020 12:20pm
    - SB 2
      
      Al on Red, tsk, tsk,tsk..!
      
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      March 14, 2020 1:45pm
Tauhei Notts

On Betfair Joe Biden is now favourite to win the presidential election.
Incredible! Just nineteen days ago he was a $34 no hoper.
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March 14, 2020 8:11am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  Always seemed likely. Although all the democratic candidates polled favourably against the recumbent, Biden always had the best numbers in that regard.
  
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  March 14, 2020 8:46am
  - calendar girl
    
    “recumbent”?
    Perhaps you actually mean “incumbent”.
    
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    March 14, 2020 9:42am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      No, recumbent is perfectly accurate.
      
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      March 14, 2020 12:33pm
- Tall Man
  
  Still looks like a no hoper to me.
  
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  March 14, 2020 9:11am
  - Misha Beattie
    
    There will be endless attack ads of Biden groping young women.
    
    https://youtu.be/A3-IBEURyfk
    
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    March 14, 2020 9:30am
    - SB 2
      
      Catching re Trump?
      
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      March 14, 2020 11:46am
  - mark15
    
    No brainer,surely?
    
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    March 14, 2020 10:24am
Happychappy

What a bunch of hypocrites the Government is they cancel all big outings at other venues and leave the Muslim terrorist memorial alone to give Jacinda Ardern a platform and hope of retaining power at the next Election. If this was National making the same decision the media would be in attack mode and playing it for they could, but no it is there fairy Princess and there will be no criticism of her decisions as they need Labour to save them from extinction.
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March 14, 2020 8:22am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  It would be Karma if another case of the virus surfaced at Cindy’s Christchurch photo opportunity.
  
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  March 14, 2020 8:36am
  - kevn
    
    @Captn.. I gather there will be lots of people flying into ChCh from guess where…?
    
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    March 14, 2020 9:04am
    - alwyn
      
      ” I gather there will ……”
      Did you gather this from an overheated imagination or do you actually have some evidence for this claim?
      If you do have something to back it up, what is it?
      
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      March 14, 2020 9:50am
  - redeye
    
    There’s every chance she been in touch with Tracey Martin. She could be a spreader herself. Now that would be true karma.
    
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    March 14, 2020 9:24am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Hmmm, My post would get deleted if I wrote what I would like to… But you get the idea…
      
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      March 14, 2020 1:23pm
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    1. It will
    2. You will never hear about it!
    
    My fear is that this is going to be the leaping off point for the virus in NZ, close proximity, visitors from affected regions, and major cultural differences around personal hygiene and trust of officials.
    
    Perfect! What could possibly go wrong?
    
    Thanks Cindy, enjoy your photo-op.
    
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    March 14, 2020 9:48am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The Italian virus may be a different strain too as it expression in Italy is very vigorous.
    Everything seems to be being arranged to promote the Cindy at the Mosque coming up. Grief is an irrelevance to political ambition.
    
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    March 14, 2020 12:35pm
- igm
  
  What a bloody disgrace this virtue signalling unelected bint is.
  
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  March 14, 2020 8:39am
  - Swifty
    
    Just as an aside igm – do you know the origin of the term ‘bint’?
    
    It is the Arabic word for girl or daughter. One likely picked up by our troops during both world wars.
    
    Quite ironic really, or deliciously clever on your part. 🙂
    
    I’ve always quite liked the term.
    
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    March 14, 2020 9:10am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I always liked it too. Example:
      “I mean, if I went around saying I was an emperor just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me they’d put me away!”
      
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      March 14, 2020 10:54am
    - hilaryt
      
      ..and popularised again by John Cleese in Fawlty Towers, ‘you cloth-eared bint’…do you reckon?
      
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      March 14, 2020 10:57am
    - curry4me
      
      Swifty: I think I encountered the word in a Biggles book when I was 10. In the case of certain ‘celebrities’; I prefer bimbette. That’s someone who’s not bright enough to be a bimbo.
      
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      March 14, 2020 2:08pm
- oldpark
  
  Not to worry . This will be just a dress rehearsal of when she will hold a memorial in the anniversary on Easter Sunday of the massacre of 250 Christians and 500 injured in the church bombings by Islamic Terrorists of also innocent worshippers in Sri Lanka.
  Yes Jacinda to quote your comments . “They Are Us”. Looking forward to the Easter Sunday memorial by you, of the sad massacre of so many innocent Christians in Sri Lanka in 2019.
  
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  March 14, 2020 8:55am
  - SGA
    
    meh – This was an event that happened here and is connected to us. In the same way that we recently acknowledged the 30th anniversary of the Erebus disaster but not the scores of other aeroplane accidents that have occurred throughout the world.
    
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    March 14, 2020 9:33am
    - oldpark
      
      meh -Yes just like Gallipoli.”Lest we forget” .
      
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      March 14, 2020 11:36am
      - SGA
        
        Yeah, now you are getting it. The Christchurch massacre is more important to us than a similar massacre in Sri Lanka (or wherever) because it involves “us”. Just as the Tangiwai, Wahine, and Erebus disasters are more important to us than other (often worse) rail, shipping, or aircraft tragedies overseas.
        
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        March 14, 2020 11:58am
      - oldpark
        
        SGA
        Wonder what part of Gallipoli and the loss of many many NZs and others don’t you understand “Lest we Forget”. Sounds like all of it,as usual .
        
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        March 14, 2020 1:28pm
  - curry4me
    
    oldpark: Yes indeed. I understand a large wooden crucifix, and a fetching sack cloth outfit are the preferred costume choices for that event.
    
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    March 14, 2020 2:11pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Don’t encourage her. With Christchurch cancelled she is fuming, and desperate for attention
    
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    March 14, 2020 2:30pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Dalziel doesn’t want to face more criticism.
      
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      March 14, 2020 5:33pm
- MCos
  
  I was thinking that as I watched the mighty Hurricanes run all over the feeble Chiefs in front of a packed house in Hamilton.
  Today the Blues should steam roll some no hopers from somewhere at Eden Park.
  Meanwhile Womad is still going ahead.
  
  I think the reason Polyfest was cancelled was because if any participants became infected and returned to the Islands there would be huge problems due to their various healthcare systems not being able to cope.
  I’m guessing here, but if/when that happens NZ will get the blame and China will send in the cavalry.
  
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  March 14, 2020 8:57am
  - rangitoto
    
    It was cancelled because Cindy is feeling guilty about exporting measles to Samoa.
    
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    March 14, 2020 10:36am
  - Michael NZ
    
    didn’t they already do that?
    
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    March 14, 2020 10:43am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I’m guessing the same Kiwibloggers condemning Ardern for not cancelling tomorrow’s commemoration have no problem with the rugby crowds in Hamilton and Auckland this weekend.
    
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    March 14, 2020 10:56am
- Ruawai
  
  I actually think this might make people vote against her.
  
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  March 14, 2020 9:11am
- Misha Beattie
  
  I hope most people have enough common sense to not attend the memorial service.
  
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  March 14, 2020 9:31am
- adamsmith1922
  
  My comment https://adamsmith.wordpress.com/2020/03/14/nz-response-to-coronavirus-has-been-inconsistent-a-question/
  
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  March 14, 2020 9:36am
Greg Ettridge

Italy had 2,500 new cases in last 24 hours and 250 new deaths, it has now hit 300 people per million.
Norway has a really great health system.
Nearly 1,000 infected, just 1 death with 172 per mill infected
Australia 200 with 43 new cases yesterday, only 7.8.
NZ of course is 5 cases, none have recovered as yet.
I guess all a country can do is try and control the spread of this at a rate the health system can cope.
No respirator and you could be gone very quickly.
Italy is now choosing who lives and dies, awful situation, but run down health system.
This is going to show real leadership qualities, big fail will more than likely equate to higher death rate as in Italy.
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March 14, 2020 8:25am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The health system doesn’t seem run down in Lombardy.
  Here, the Doctor in charge of Lombardy’s ICU units gives an update. (2nd video)
  
  http://joannenova.com.au/2020/03/coronavirus-unfolds-the-world-wakes-up/
  
  Median age of those in intensive care with the virus – 64….. Includes 0ne 20 year old…. as the epidemic goes on, younger patients are appearing for ICU treatment.
  
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  March 14, 2020 8:35am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    Maggy If I had a choice of going into a hospital it certainly wouldn’t be Italy, France or Spain. On the other hand, Oslo I wouldn’t hesistate.
    Italy has not had stable government in my lifetime, how can you say it has a fantastic health system, which has just got worse and worse with the great influx of illegals.
    Not third world, but certainly not geared up to accomodate 2,500 new cases everyday, I wouldn’t think anyone besides China could handle this. No one else in the world can go out and build a 1,000 bed hospital in a week.
    I guess this just says to the world how important it is to bring this on at a slower speed, it will come to most, it is timing that will be everything, particularly if you are my age and fighting for a respirator 20 other patients are wanting.
    
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    March 14, 2020 11:19am
    - Scooter
      
      Italy has one of the best health care systems in the world. Visits to doctors are free, cancer (colon, breast, pap etc) screening tests for people over 50 are free.
      
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      March 14, 2020 5:44pm
- SGA
  
  This is going to show real leadership qualities, big fail will more than likely equate to higher death rate as in Italy.
  
  I doubt that even in a worst case scenario. Simple population density would be to our advantage.
  Italy has 60 million people in a country about 20% larger in NZ, and many more living in apartment-style housing. This should make it easier to control here. Don’t get me wrong, no reason for us to be too cavalier, but we do have some things going for us.
  
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  March 14, 2020 8:38am
  - MCos
    
    I’ve also heard that, similar to the flu, winter is a friend of the virus.
    Thailand, which either summer or ultra summer, has comparatively few cases.
    Don’t take my word for it :
    https://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2020/03/13/heat-may-curb-covid-19-spread-in-indonesia-but-dont-count-on-it-scientists-say.html
    
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    March 14, 2020 9:07am
    - SGA
      
      So, why is it spreading in Australia in the middle of summer 🙂
      From what I have read, people are being cautious predicting how seasons will affect this bug. We just don’t know yet. If there is an effect, it may not be very large.
      
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      March 14, 2020 9:20am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Ironically, because it is really hot in Australia, that drives people to air conditioned environments.
        Like Malls, shops, cars, restaurants and at home.
        Nice and cold- which helps the Virus.
        
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        March 14, 2020 1:44pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      You’re onto it about the sunlight and heat.
      Viruses don’t like sunlight
      ‘Overnight in Asia, we hosted a call with professor John Nicholls a clinical professor in pathology at the University of Hong Kong and expert on coronaviruses. He was a key member of the research team at the University of Hong Kong which isolated and characterized the novel SARS coronavirus in 2003. He’s been studying coronaviruses for 25 years (full bio here). The recording of the call can be found on our website HERE. Below are my notes transcribing the call’
      
      ‘When do you think this thing will peak?
      Three things the virus does not like 1) sunlight 2) temperature and 3) humidity. To make you guys really worried. A coronavirus can survive on a stainless steel surface for 36 hours. It hangs around for quite a bit.
      
      Sunlight will cut the virus ability to grow in half so the half-life will be 2.5 minutes and in the dark it’s about 13m to 20m. Sunlight is really good at killing viruses. That’s why I believe that Australia and the southern hemisphere will not see any great infections rates because they have lots of sunlight and they are in the middle of summer. And Wuhan and Beijing is still cold which is why there’s high infection rates.
      
      In regards to temperature, the virus can remain intact at 4 degrees or 10 degrees for a longer period of time. But at 30 degrees then you get inactivation. And High humidity the virus doesn’t like it either. That’s why I think Sars stopped around May and June in 2003 – that’s when there’s more sunlight and more humidity. The environment is a crucial factor. The environment will be unfavourable for growth around May. The evidence is to look at the common cold – it’s always during winter. So the natural environment will not be favourable in Asia in about May.’
      https://www.fwdeveryone.com/t/puzmZFQGRTiiquwLa6tT-g/conference-call-coronavirus-expert
      
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      March 14, 2020 9:55am
      - All_on_Red
        
        And then there’s this…
        ‘The COVID-19 outbreak is giving new meaning to those “sustainable” shopping bags that politicians and environmentalists have been so eager to impose on the public. These reusable tote bags can sustain the COVID-19 and flu viruses—and spread the viruses throughout the store.
        Researchers have been warning for years about the risks of these bags spreading deadly viral and bacterial diseases, but public officials have ignored their concerns, determined to eliminate single-use bags and other plastic products despite their obvious advantages in reducing the spread of pathogens.’
        https://www.city-journal.org/banning-single-use-plastic-bags-covid-19#.XmvR6r5B3eA.twitter
        
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        March 14, 2020 9:58am
      - Tall Man
        
        Interesting. Thanks
        
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        March 14, 2020 10:04am
      - SGA
        
        @All_on_Red
        Is that the interview conducted on FEB 6th? Where he said that Covid-19 was just a bad cold? Before Italy etc.? Even back then people were questioning his opinions (https://asiatimes.com/2020/02/how-lethal-is-the-wuhan-virus/ )
        
        People are hoping that this virus will behave like influenza and diminish markedly as seasons change, but they are more cautiously optimistic rather than assured.
        
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        March 14, 2020 10:06am
      - Michael Rodent
        
        So the climate alarmists are wrong – we need climate warming fast. Ban EVs, bring back plastic bags, ban reusable coffee cups, ban Greta …….
        
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        March 14, 2020 10:49am
      - All_on_Red
        
        SGA
        ‘Where he said that Covid-19 was just a bad cold?’
        
        He wasn’t referring to the actual Virus, but using bad cold as a metaphor, as in, the pandemic will pass like a bad cold passes.
        In context he was speaking about how SARS and others eventually just died out.
        Read what he says. He’s clearly an expert.
        
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        March 14, 2020 12:36pm
    - Michael NZ
      
      yep Mcos.
      Vienna medical conference, 30 march into April just relocated to July/August, rather than cancel 5000 docs registrations.
      summer weather is coming and the peak infections should be over!
      
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      March 14, 2020 10:46am
      - SGA
        
        Which, of course, they can further delay or cancel if things haven’t improved 🙂
        
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        March 14, 2020 11:39am
- MrTips
  
  Italy was too lax with initial case detection and isolation and is paying the price. There is good reason to think others in Europe may successfully flatten the case rate curve velocity by paying attention to Italy’s failings. It is definitely what PiTAG here in NZ are trying to do: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51858987?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.com/news/topics/crr7mlg0d2wt/italy&link_location=live-reporting-story
  
  Also, expect this in the future. https://annals.org/aim/fullarticle/2763036/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19-protecting-hospitals-from-invisible
  It’s going to get harder to get into hospital and expect to be tested. One hopes we follow this editorial opinion.
  
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  March 14, 2020 8:48am
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Perhaps there’s something to be said for British reserve.
    
    None of this close personal contact sh*t like hugging, kissing and hongis. A firm handshake and walk away – followed by hand sanitiser of course.
    
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    March 14, 2020 9:19am
  - kevn
    
    @All on Red… I have seen some very manky re-used shopping bags while at the supermarket. Rubbish bin candidate bags.
    
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    March 14, 2020 10:24am
- Scott
  
  Italy has lots of old people. It’s the old people that are mostly at risk. Let’s not overblow this, those of little faith.
  
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  March 14, 2020 9:29am
  - SGA
    
    What have you got against old people, Scott???
    
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    March 14, 2020 11:40am
  - Scott
    
    SGA – old people are very nice. The science shows that it’s mostly old people with underlying conditions that fall victim to this. Most people will have a flu like illness for a while then completely recover. We must keep this in proportion.
    The world will end. But not through this.
    
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    March 14, 2020 1:17pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    And the Obese…. Hope you are young and fit and healthy and not fat.
    
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    March 14, 2020 1:19pm
  - Brian McDonald
    
    I agree about the fact it is mostly old people at risk Scott. So I believe that the group should get the most support and protection from contact. Someone describes earlier epidemics as being a U with at one peak children and the other the elderly, in this case, it is reported as only one peak – the elderly.
    
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    March 14, 2020 1:26pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      That being so, I hope Tracey Martin hasn’t passed COVID-19 on to Winston Peters. I have no time whatsoever for him or his party, but I wouldn’t wish this on anyone.
      
      I guess that’s the difference between me and a former Labour Party leader’s close mate, and West Auckland lawyer…
      
      https://twitter.com/Dean_Nimbly/status/1238627546658291713/photo/1
      
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      March 14, 2020 2:48pm
Chuck Bird

MPs voted against Simon O’Conner’s SOPs about not leaving a healthy baby who survives an abortion to die.

This is what the voted for.

Abortion Survivors Tell Their Stories Part 1 – Claire Culwell and Melissa Ohden

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b8aaxp9bQk
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March 14, 2020 8:27am
- Scott
  
  Chuck – this is the most extreme abortion bill. It takes everything that the abortion side want. Basically there will be a dead baby with no possibility of survival.
  
  We need to get back to our Christian society where we valued life. The unborn baby is a child made in the image of God. It is not something to be disposed of because it’s inconvenient.
  
  Who thinks aborting right up until birth is ok? Apparently the majority of the NZ parliament does!
  
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  March 14, 2020 9:17am
  - Swifty
    
    “The unborn baby is a child made in the image of God.”
    
    I don’t quite understand that Scott. Could you elaborate on it please?
    
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    March 14, 2020 11:36am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Scott, did you see the video? What is say is sometimes the baby survives and MPs who vote for this bill are voting to legalize infanticide in some circumstances.
    
    I wonder how many of these MPs are Christians.
    
    I know there would be plenty of agnostics and atheists who would oppose this extreme bill if they could vote on it.
    
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    March 14, 2020 12:22pm
    - Scott
      
      Chuck – I don’t know how any Christian can vote for abortion but it seems that they do. Essentially they put their Christianity on the back burner and instead go ahead with the latest politically correct thing. It’s terrible and you wonder whether they are truly Christian at all?
      
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      March 14, 2020 1:14pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Scott, do you applaude agnostics and athiests who vote against this bill?
        
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        March 14, 2020 1:54pm
- Hapuku
  
  Yes, my wife has seen a baby left to die in the sluice room, still gives her nightmares…
  
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  March 14, 2020 2:08pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Was it from a botched abortion?
    
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    March 14, 2020 2:57pm
    - Hapuku
      
      I don’t think it was botched, just what happens occassionally
      
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      March 14, 2020 11:12pm
Lee C

Yes everyone getting their knickers in a knot about a killer virus while they sign off on late-term abortion…

Isn’t it funny how we ‘value’ life?
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March 14, 2020 8:29am
- MrTips
  
  Indeed. Pretty illogical.
  
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  March 14, 2020 8:54am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Lee, they sign off on infanticide.
  
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  March 14, 2020 9:00am
Maggy Wassilieff

USA in a State of Emergency
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120278249/coronavirus-donald-trump-declares-us-national-emergency-amid-virus-outbreak
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March 14, 2020 8:41am
Yvette

Southland businessman Colin Hitchen withdrew his [Provincial Growth Fund] application but says officials tried to get him to rush it through, filled out the form for him and told him to ask for more money because they’d pumped too much into Northland.
“They said they’d come to Southland because they’d overspent in Northland and they were down here to even the score.”
Shane Jones is the minister in charge of the fund and is one of the ministers who is signing off on the spending, he’s also set to stand for New Zealand First in Northland. [1]

Shane Jones denied it, calling to the allegations ridiculous.
Winston Peters, on Magic Talk talkback radio, told Peter Williams there is no truth in it.
So was TV1’s Jessica Much McKay just making stuff up and lying?

I would have thought it easy enough for the Opposition to confirm Colin Hitchen’s comments or ask a Question in Parliament regarding what is otherwise corrupt pork barrel politics.

[1] https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/southland-businesses-accuse-government-playing-favourites-provincial-growth-fund
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March 14, 2020 8:50am
- John Warren
  
  Well, who would you believe first: Colin Hitchen/Jessica Mutch, or Winston Peters and Shane Jones?
  
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  March 14, 2020 9:27am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Chris Bishop DID ask questions about this in the House last week. Shane Jones was not there, and Winston Peters answered the questions in Jones’ absence, somewhat unconvincingly (Q12).
  
  I suspect the Nats are keeping their powder dry for the moment.
  
  https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20200303_20200303_08
  
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  March 14, 2020 12:06pm
  - Yvette
    
    Tony, thank you
    
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    March 14, 2020 12:24pm
PaulDunmore

Astounding statistics on poverty and homelessness among US school kids, mentioned in passing in a New York Times article on coronavirus:
“In Los Angeles, about 80 percent of students qualify for free or reduced [i.e. subsidised] lunches, and just under 20,000 are homeless at some point during the school year.”
“New York City … has the country’s largest school district, with 1.1 million students — including about 114,000 who are homeless”.
The US has never been held up as an example of how to take care of the poorest in society, but even so, I was shocked at these estimates.
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March 14, 2020 9:07am
- mikenmildagain
  
  It’s okay though, the richest folks got their tax cuts…
  
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  March 14, 2020 10:58am
rightoverlabour

More proof our country is run by morons…

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120277695/coronavirus-auckland-mums-request-to-be-tested-for-virus-rejected
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March 14, 2020 9:07am
- WaveyDavey
  
  Not really sure what you mean there.
  
  There’s no medical justification for testing this person given that she hasn’t been in contact with anyone likely to have the virus or travelled overseas.
  
  The Herald has more detail including her quote that, to paraphrase, says that she believes it’s a government conspiracy.
  
  “I AM convinced that they are aimed at keeping the numbers down, so that only the extreme cases flood hospitals,” Briggs wrote.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12316628
  
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  March 14, 2020 9:22am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Id argue that rather test than not test even if she doesn’t meet the criteria. The criteria for being infected seems to be a moving feast. Since the virus can remain alive for at least 5 days on plastic surfaces it seems that it could spread even if she has not been in contact with a person or traveled. Think of a toilet door in a doctor’s waiting room visited by a contaminated person…..
    
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    March 14, 2020 1:13pm
- SGA
  
  I read that too, but I couldn’t decide what to make of it. There are plenty of times when KB takes people that rush to the media (because they are in this awful predicament) with a grain of salt. She may have a valid point, but she might just be a bit high strung (as it were). Hard to know.
  
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  March 14, 2020 9:47am
- DeepBlue
  
  She was sick with flu like symptoms, felt recovered and went back to school, then a relapse.
  
  She is in the wrong.
  
  With or without a test she should have self quarantined for at least 48 hours after being completely well before going back to school.
  
  Any school trustees out there? Surely there is a standard flu policy re stand down periods.
  
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  March 14, 2020 9:58am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Its a bit fluid in schools…. If people have diarrhea or temperatures, they are supposed to stay at home until better, but with the shortage of relievers a lot of staff do come to school sicker than they should. And with kids in low decile schools, they just get sent to school, no matter what the state of their health. The problem is many may have the virus and show no sympots. That’s why the Osterholm video is so worth watching. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3URhJx0NSw
    
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    March 14, 2020 1:17pm
    - DeepBlue
      
      Reading about NZ 6th patient today, he travelled from US and felt sick three days later. His US friends were close contacts.
      
      NZ is saying no one on the flight is a close contact, even if sat next to him, because he didn’t have symptoms. I’d really like some robust evidence re COVID19 not being transmitted if asymptomatic.
      
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      March 14, 2020 2:10pm
      - Sacha
        
        It is known that people can ‘shed’ the virus BEFORE they have any symptoms.
        
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        March 14, 2020 7:12pm
- Brian McDonald
  
  Hard to believe it. Working with children, contact with the elderly and visits from recent people returned from China. Can’t see how Healthline or any Doctor would have turned that down, or at least not tell her to self-isolate.
  
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  March 14, 2020 10:46am
WaveyDavey

Stand by for the cancellation of lots of large-scale public events.

I predict this will happen sometime after 3pm Sunday.
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March 14, 2020 9:15am
- Misha Beattie
  
  I hope common sense prevails and some of the Prime Minister’s colleagues and advisors have a quiet word with her today.
  
  The other thing is that rain is forecast for Christchurch tomorrow so folk will be under cover in closer quarters than an event in Hagley Park on a sunny day.
  
  I’m fairly sure that Christchurch Council has the power to close the venue without seeking the agreement of central government. Of course the Christchurch mayor won’t do that. Just like she won’t fix the f***ed up streets like Victoria Street because they are awaiting cycleway integration planning. Or some other bullshit reason.
  
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  March 14, 2020 9:45am
- DeepBlue
  
  Already saying the COVID Cabinet team are in phone meeting this morning (rather than waiting for their weekly meeting… Glad there’s some urgency now) and an announcement might be today or tomorrow.
  
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  March 14, 2020 10:01am
- MCos
  
  Over in Oz the ‘no crowds’ edicts came into force right after ScoMo was going to the League.
  Now that Dutton has come down with Covid-19 and been shipped off to Christmas Island ScoMo is flagging away the footy.
  
  In the meantime the Blackcaps have to participate in the most meaningless ODI series since the format was invented to bring a bit of pizazz into the game.
  It was so quiet the commentators said they could hear the squeak of Ferguson’s pads as he went out to bat.
  
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  March 14, 2020 10:06am
pb

To understand the consequences of infection exponential and consequence you need to be able to multiply, power functions. Politicians can’t even add, only subtract.
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March 14, 2020 9:34am
Tall Man

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/sfo-confirms-probes-into-auckland-and-christchurch-mayors-expenses/

I can recall both labour and “what’s in it for wynston” baying for blood and demanding that anyone under investigation by the SFO should immediately stand down.
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March 14, 2020 9:44am
- MCos
  
  As far as I can ascertain the only people the SFO have charged are those four Nat donors. One no longer a Nat.
  NZF was investigated in the past, but not charged. Peters stood down from the cabinet for the duration of the investigation.
  This time Peters has refused to step down and Ardern won’t sack him. I expect he’s told her that if she did he’d leave the coalition and there’d be an early election.
  That would be the end of NZF six months earlier than is likely anyway.
  Apart from that snap elections aren’t usually kind to the parties in power and Ardern is anything but adventurous.
  
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  March 14, 2020 11:35am
  - Tall Man
    
    Instead of “four Nat donors”, four donors to the Nat Party maybe?
    
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    March 14, 2020 1:05pm
    - MCos
      
      I have absolutely no doubt they were all members of the National Party at the the time.
      One of them was a Nat MP, the bagman. Another, Zheng Hengjia, had been schooled to become an Nat MP. He also donated some money to Labour.
      He is a business partner of Zhang Yikun, the Communist businessman who can’t speak English, yet was made an NZ citizen.
      
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      March 14, 2020 2:33pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        From the tone of Kiwiblog comments, one could forget that Ross was a National Party MP, and that this is all about illegal funding of the National Party.
        
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        March 14, 2020 3:55pm
- curry4me
  
  Tall Man: But as always; it’s different when the ever lovin-ever lyin left do it.
  
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  March 14, 2020 2:25pm
niggly

Crikey, Tracey Martin has finally become infamous and is trending high on Twitter (was #1, now #2) … but for all the wrong reasons!

https://twitter.com/search?q=“Tracey Martin”&src=trend_click
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March 14, 2020 9:51am
Tall Man

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/03/asa-throws-out-more-complaints-about-national-party-social-media-adverts.html

Obviously the National Party are winning the battle here and getting right up ardern’s nose.

Good.
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March 14, 2020 9:54am
- Ruahine
  
  Obviously the Advertising Standards Authority is a National Party stooge just like the SFO. Get rid of them both Jacinda. You know you can.
  
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  March 14, 2020 11:57am
Tasman Terror

Notice even Comrade Fran O’Sullivan is having a crack at Cinderella for her indecision over Corona virus?. Are her days numbered? “We need to have that conversation.”
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March 14, 2020 9:54am
Tall Man

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/411545/bill-passed-to-fund-disabled-election-candidates

“She told Morning Report it was a “basic, hugely fundamental piece of legislation” that would establish a fund available for candidates with disabilities “to engage in elections on an equal footing”.

Huge?

What a waste of space.
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March 14, 2020 10:00am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Is Golriz disabled now?
  
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  March 14, 2020 5:44pm
TWEEDSE

I put the blind panic over Covid19 down to the inability of the human mind to handle the over supply of information via the media and social media. It’s over triggering our survival flight or fight mode. Of course the situation is serious but we have many serious situations in the world. Our sense of proportion and ability to think straight has been swamped by the media.
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March 14, 2020 10:10am
Happychappy

Heath scientists call for Parties to stop playing politics over the Coronavirus and start working together. This is after Jacanda banned National MP’s from Coronavirus committeeson finding a solution to the problem.
https://mobile.twitter.com/NZBirder/status/1238165670652592128?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Jacinda is the one needing to take stock of her politicking and tell the truth for once.
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March 14, 2020 10:11am
niggly

Unsurprisingly no mention in the MSM …. but did anyone hear Sean Plunket on radio yesterday reveal the reason why NZ didn’t have an official presence at the recent Holocaust memorial events?

The ones in which Winston Peters accused Gerry Brownlee of “politicising” the issue (when Brownlee labelled NZ’s non-appearance a “disgraceful decision”)?

Surprise, surprise, it appears that the “politicising” was instigated by “What’s in it for Winston” himself!

Apparently the Governer General Dame Patsy Reddy was wanting to attend but WinstonFirst blocked it.

Why? Because apparently during the 1990’s Winebox inquiry Dame Pasty worked for Brierley Investments … whom were in Winston’s gun-sights.

If this is true (Plunket said he has heard it from multiple sources) then Sept 20 can’t some soon enough to see NZ’s #1 political charlatan dumped by the good people of NZ!
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March 14, 2020 10:14am
- fernglas
  
  Media Works isn’t MSM?
  
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  March 14, 2020 11:48am
  - niggly
    
    It’s not even a Mediaworks news story … talkback hosts are “breaking the news” but the majors are ignoring it.
    
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    March 14, 2020 12:03pm
- Ruahine
  
  Sounds about right.
  
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  March 14, 2020 11:52am
Aunty

The coronavirus situation in the UK is rapidly deteriorating with 800 cases now confirmed.

And the Prime Minister has forwarned Britons to brace themselves for the death of loved ones in the coming weeks.

Meanwhile, in New Zealand, Cindy wants everyone to gather together in Christchurch so they can see her wear a pretty scarf on her head.

And Labour’s mayor of Auckland, Phil Goff, cancels the large Pasifika Festival the day before it happens (rather than a week ago giving participants plenty of chance to avoid needlessly spending thousands of dollars) only because of the threat it poses to the Pacific Islands. The threat it posed to Aucklanders, apparently, well that wasn’t an issue.
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March 14, 2020 10:15am
Fletch

According to Daily Caller, it looks like Pelosi may have tried to fund abortion in the coronavirus economic stimulus plan. These people are obsessed with aborting babies…. ?

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi sought to include a potential way to guarantee federal funding for abortion into the coronavirus economic stimulus plan, according to multiple senior White House officials. […]

“A new mandatory funding stream that does not have Hyde protections would be unprecedented,” one White House official explained. “Under the guise of protecting people, Speaker Pelosi is working to make sure taxpayer dollars are spent covering abortion — which is not only backwards, but goes against historical norms.”

A second White House official referred to the provision as a “slush fund” and yet another questioned “what the Hyde Amendment and abortion have to do with protecting Americans from coronavirus?”

https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/12/donald-trump-nancy-pelosi-coronavirus-stimulus-hyde-amendment-abortion-funding-white-house-allegations/
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March 14, 2020 10:34am
- Batman
  
  The daily caller is not exactly a reputable source of information.
  
  Besides, the bill has been passed and agreed to be passed by the GOP now.
  
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  March 14, 2020 11:21am
- cha
  
  A Pelosi deluxe. Chock full of Dem priorities and concessions. She’s strong-armed the man-baby, again.
  
  Donald J. Trump
  @realDonaldTrump
  I fully support H.R. 6201: Families First CoronaVirus Response Act, which will be voted on in the House this evening. This Bill will follow my direction for free CoronaVirus tests, and paid sick leave for our impacted American workers. I have directed….
  1:42 PM · Mar 14, 2020
  
  https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1238626501555298308
  
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  March 14, 2020 4:34pm
  - Batman
    
    Reality must be obeyed eventually. There was no way that Trump and the GOP could block anything semi-reasonable
    
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    March 14, 2020 5:10pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Surely they could hold out for tax cuts.
      
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      March 14, 2020 5:36pm
      - cha
        
        Take two tax cuts, roll back some regulations, and call us in the morning!
        
        – BHO
        
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        March 14, 2020 6:48pm
Maggie Pie

As my partner said this morning, “So tell me again why i now only engage people on 3 month contract basis? You can’t even call an employee a c – – t anymore!”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12316094
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March 14, 2020 10:35am
- TWEEDSE
  
  Apparently he called the employee a “c..t and a fag..t”.
  
  Isn’t one or the other?
  
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  March 14, 2020 12:12pm
Ruahine

Ardern will announce on behalf of the government more travel restrictions on Monday 16th march.

Just looked out the window to see Emirates from Dubai fly in to Auckland.
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March 14, 2020 10:42am
rangitoto

Milky! You missed that it is international π day. What’s going on.?

My favourite mathematical identity:

e^iπ = -1
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March 14, 2020 10:48am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Surely you can’t expect me to provide every significant date for you to celebrate.
  
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  March 14, 2020 11:34am
  - cmm
    
    No, just the important ones.
    
    You missed Pi day, but you can earn some forgiveness if you remember tauday.
    
    https://tauday.com/
    
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    March 14, 2020 3:29pm
- cmm
  
  Are you an SDR junkie too?
  
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  March 14, 2020 11:51am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Euler’s equation is a beaut.
  
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  March 14, 2020 12:45pm
Mobile Michael

Saw the headline, knew the article would be workers allege, Union agrees, company denies. You always see these articles planted by unions when wage/condition negotiations are starting.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/119908028/kfc-workers-say-they-were-bullied-for-telling-managers-not-to-sell-expired-chicken
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March 14, 2020 10:57am
- mikenmildagain
  
  The article makes it clear that the company denies anything was wrong, although noting the contradictory claims, and its refusal to provide evidence that it investigated the complaints. Nothing wrong with the headline: “KFC workers say”.
  
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  March 14, 2020 11:37am
Prince

Who let this through the filter ?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/120232586/jacinda-arderns-public-spat-with-scott-morrison-was-embarrassing
The author is a senior lecturer at Massey.
‘Is’, or ‘was’ ?
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March 14, 2020 11:42am
- niggly
  
  Stuff homepage has the headline “embarrassing” in quotation marks ….. so when the PM’s press team give Stuff’s news bosses an ear-bashing and another Tokolau-like death-stare, Stuff can cover their backsides by saying it’s the opinion writer’s personal view!
  
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  March 14, 2020 12:12pm
  - Wired-one
    
    And the comments that were very critical of our PM have now been disabled. Couldnt see that coming…
    
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    March 14, 2020 2:19pm
    - niggly
      
      Woah Stuff seem to have “disappeared” the entire comments section (as it’s not loading for me now)!
      
      Apart from the usual Labour supporters, many others were simply supportive of the author’s views (“common sense”) or scathing of the PM!
      
      (Looks like Fraser House or the PM’s Office hit the “emergency censor at all costs” red-alert button to Stuff, whilst collectively irradiating death-stare rays their way until they complied)!
      
      Too bad Labour here’s some earlier commentator samples cached from earlier!
      
      “Yep, two weeks ago she was ranting at the Australian PM for sending Kiwi citizens back to NZ even though they lived most of their lives in Australia, but then the NZ government has done the exact same thing to a young bloke who has lived most of his life here and has now been sent back to South Africa.”
      
      “Totally agree, that was grandstanding for sure. Yes, Kiwis in Oz have it tougher than Aussies over here in terms of getting residency etc but to tell Oz how to deal with immigrant criminals yeah nah! “”
      
      “This article is spot on. Ardern using cameras to prerend she cares. The major point this well written article highlites is that if you are a Kiwi with Australian citizenship then you will not be deported, only residents will be. This is a popular peice of legistalion in Australia, and if implemented here would likely also be accepted.”
      
      “A good article I thought. The PM’s confrontation was more like a student debate than real-world politics. And if any are deported back to NZ, the current NZ legal system will be softer on them than the Australia version.”
      
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      March 14, 2020 4:38pm
- Wired-one
  
  I was shocked to read that. Finally someone in our MSM critical of Ardern.
  
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  March 14, 2020 1:10pm
Ian Hawthorn

For those who enjoy the subtle thrill of watching a row of nines turn into a row of zeroes, the government tree deficit counter will be kicking over to 250000000 later today.
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March 14, 2020 12:02pm
Prince

Mosque memorial called off.
Better late than never.
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March 14, 2020 1:04pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Maybe someone on Cindy’s team follows Kiwiblog.
  It couldn’t have been made more obvious that going ahead with this was a very bad idea.
  
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  March 14, 2020 1:52pm
  - Swifty
    
    Yes, I think we should take the credit. 🙂
    
    Heh heh.
    
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    March 14, 2020 2:53pm
Maggy Wassilieff

6th Confirmed Case
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120280065/coronavirus-waitemat-dhb-chief-provides-a-live-update

Chch off.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/411729/mosque-attack-memorial-service-called-off-due-to-covid-19-coronavirus-concerns
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March 14, 2020 1:10pm
- Wired-one
  
  I understand there was a concern that the memorial was not going to be well attended due to the current pandemic and fear of being in large groups. This is the correct decision anyway.
  
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  March 14, 2020 1:15pm
- simpleton1
  
  What a mess of bobble head indecisiveness to last minute this.
  “and from overseas”
  Many will have already arrived recently in this past week.
  Some may be in the midst of catching planes to come to NZ.
  Have they ‘jumped’ through safer countries, before flying onto NZ?
  Would they cancel their supposed return flights, with no refund?
  So are they going to “self isolate” here in NZ, ?
  Soon, will they even be able to use that return ticket?
  
  So Ardern’s adhan will all be done digitally, tv, radio, etc… across the land, but not with such an attendant audience.
  Never mind; the Dubai’s highest tower will safely put up some major light show of her.
  Plus some nice studio photo angles.
  
  [Mod, this is in reply to MW’s comment
  Edit out my repeat comment, below that I can not cancel.]
  
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  March 14, 2020 1:28pm
- Tall Man
  
  Too late. Overseas visitors will already be here but at least sanity has prevailed.
  
  Bet there’s a sulky face somewhere.
  
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  March 14, 2020 1:44pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Empty almond milk cartons thrown against the walls??
    
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    March 14, 2020 2:55pm
    - SB 2
      
      The growing demand and taste for alternatives to cows milk displeases you?
      
      https://www.livekindly.co/global-almond-milk-market/
      
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      March 14, 2020 3:09pm
lifesgood

Cindy’s Photo op, Massacre Attack memorial has been CANCELLED, folks. Oh dear, how sad, never mind.
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March 14, 2020 1:24pm
simpleton1

What a mess of bobble head indecisiveness to last minute this.
“and from overseas”
Many will have already arrived recently in this past week.
Some may be in the midst of catching planes to come to NZ.
Have they ‘jumped’ through safer countries, before flying onto NZ?
Would they cancel their supposed return flights, with no refund?
So are they going to “self isolate” here in NZ, ?
Soon, will they even be able to use that return ticket?

So Ardern’s adhan will all be done digitally, tv, radio, etc… across the land, but not with such an attendant audience.
Never mind; the Dubai’s highest tower will safely put up some major light show of her.
Plus some nice studio photo angles.
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March 14, 2020 1:26pm
rangitoto

CCC doing Cindy’s job I see.
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March 14, 2020 1:33pm
Captain Mainwaring

Just went to Pak’n Save. Didn’t have to ‘turn Ardern’ as someone had beaten me to it.
If this is going on all over the country NZ Women’s Weekly is not going to have a good month.
Maybe they’ll learn to choose more appealing cover subjects.
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March 14, 2020 1:36pm
- Fletch
  
  A smart editor would have put an ad for her book on the back cover, also… ?
  
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  March 14, 2020 1:56pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Ssssssh, they will stoop even lower
    
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    March 14, 2020 2:58pm
  - Sacha
    
    No need. Just put NZ Gardener or some other mag on top.
    
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    March 14, 2020 7:27pm
Maggy Wassilieff

6th Case – Man in 60s – recently returned from USA
https://www.health.govt.nz/news-media/media-releases/covid-19-6th-case-overseas-link
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March 14, 2020 1:42pm
- SB 2
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  MW, continuing your role as a grim reeper?
  
  [Mod: You’ve been warned numerous times about stalking Maggy. Please desist.]
  
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  March 14, 2020 1:50pm
  - Swifty
    
    Just ban him.
    
    He’s a dishonest player – and one who constantly and deliberately plays the (wo)man and not the ball.
    
    I urge KB to rid us of him once and for all. He’ll never change.
    
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    March 14, 2020 2:52pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Mod, how about doing something about it? SB2 is clearly flouting the rules after the last strike. You have the support of most on this blog
    
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    March 14, 2020 3:01pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Hear hear.
      
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      March 14, 2020 3:12pm
      - sooty
        
        Do your job. Flying Officer! Contact DPF for advice!
        
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        March 14, 2020 3:38pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    So, this is acceptable abuse is it, moderator?
    
    Clearly it’s open slather on me.
    
    I gave up-to-date information from the Min of Health.
    
    And that makes me a Grim “Reeper”.
    
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    March 14, 2020 3:18pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Flame wars don’t work, they just feed the troll. Contact DPF
      
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      March 14, 2020 3:21pm
    - cmm
      
      He can read you intentions better than you can. He’s a mind reader.
      
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      March 14, 2020 3:32pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Hi Stephieboy. Keep it up, please do not desist. I tell you what, why don’t you increase your behavior. A sustained and nasty attack on a few of us would go down really well now. I could give you some ideas, but would probably get deleted or sanctioned, and that is not what I want. Of course the Mods might not ban you for life… but then who knows. Anyway, your posts here prove that the Labour party Politicians are not the thickest people in New Zealand…. their followers are.
    
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    March 14, 2020 5:25pm
Jack5

Should the cage fighter Israel Adesanya have been eligible for, and then to win, the “Sportsman of the Year” title at the Halberg awards?

Martin van Beynen, the reporter who did a great job covering the Bain murders trial, asks this question at Stuff.

Van Beynen, after looking at the rising popularity of “mixed martial arts” as entertainment, writes:

“What I think we should be more worried about is the lack of debate about Adesanya, given the sport he represents, winning the title of Sportsman of the Year at the Halberg awards. The award helps to mainstream a sport that should be kept in the shadows and should have prompted at least a little controversy. But I saw not a single public comment about the possible unworthiness of the sport for honours like the Halbergs.”

Van Beynen is right. Boxing evolved from its bare-knuckle days, but this new contest is a step into bloodier entertainment. To boxing, it’s what rodeo riding is to thoroughbred racing, what back country rodeo is to the Melbourne Cup.

Van Beynen article:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/combat-sports/120198574/no-need-for-more-role-models-from-violent-sports
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March 14, 2020 1:59pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  It’s a pretty mainstream, and very popular, sport now.
  
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  March 14, 2020 3:50pm
Tall Man

Not wanting to be seen as a pedantic prick like some others but,,,,,,,,

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/03/christchurch-mosque-attack-memorial-cancelled.html

Look at the way ardern wears the hijab. In Iran, that would get her a flogging from the mobile scarf police as she strives to hold it back so her face and hair can be plainly seen.

She wants the kudos for “being them” but doesn’t want her face to miss out on any photo op.
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March 14, 2020 2:19pm
- sooty
  
  She got there Friday after cancelling the Pacifica event.
  Had plenty of time for photo shoots around CHCH.
  Do you think she recited her speech to an empty stadium with only MSM there to listen!
  
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  March 14, 2020 3:36pm
- Inandout
  
  TM, is that really an Arabic tape measure bordering that scarf?
  
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  March 14, 2020 5:55pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Well spotted sir.
    
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    March 14, 2020 11:04pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llN8JK8j3lk
Germany’s Largest State OVERWHELMINGLY Votes to Ban Migrants. Some on the left are getting in on the act too. Globalism isn’t flavour of the month any more.
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March 14, 2020 2:35pm
- sooty
  
  How are they going to stop them, there is no border!
  
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  March 14, 2020 3:32pm
  - curry4me
    
    sooty: By making them apply in country. The Fourth Reich is closing its’ border with Turkey.
    
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    March 14, 2020 10:41pm
- cmm
  
  Careful Germans… Incoming frownie face form Aotearoa..
  
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  March 14, 2020 5:07pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xf8rv_e36ko
Update on Slovenia and the Greek border. The government has gone from centre left to centre right.
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March 14, 2020 2:35pm
- cmm
  
  Two clicks to the left and they’ll be dead centre then…
  
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  March 14, 2020 3:30pm
curry4me

A bit of humour courtesy of AOC.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97lgNFIQl0Q
AOCs Italian food livestream.
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March 14, 2020 2:37pm
Maggy Wassilieff

In my tiny role as a Civil Defence Welfare Volunteer in Tairawhiti, we are expected to be up-to-date and prepared for the possibility of a Corvid-19 outbreak in our District.

Stephieboy may think I’m a grim reaper, .. but the facts are, that quite a few folks through the country are preparing for community transmission of the virus.
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March 14, 2020 3:39pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Are those preparations coordinated, or recommended, centrally or is that just a local initiative?
  
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  March 14, 2020 3:47pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The Pandemic response is being run with:
    
    The Min of Health – as Lead Agency
    Welfare Of NZers – NEMA in charge
    (Civil Defence groups come under NEMA)
    Infrastructure – MBIE (Lead Agency)
    Border – Customs lead Agency.
    
    I’ve no idea why our MSM hasn’t publicised the arrangements that are in place.
    
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    March 14, 2020 4:35pm
Doubledimp

If Cindy wants to hug me and I don’t want her to, but there are cameras there so I feel pressured to go along, can I change my mind on my consent being given at a later date and claim her attention was unwanted?
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March 14, 2020 4:10pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Queen of NZ is going to make an announcement at 4.30 on play school TV1 news.
She is THAT desperate. Saw my fucking cock off.
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March 14, 2020 4:27pm
Wired-one

Everyone entering the country has to self isolate for 14 days. Self isolate! Because that’s going to work Ardern you fool! We live in the age of little to no personable responsibility. Unbelievable, still no testing at our ports…
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March 14, 2020 4:48pm
cmm

New Breaking news…

Self isolate, but from midnight Sunday. That is tonight, 7 hours from now.

Why not make it from NOW?

Using mignight is confusing, some people will think mignight SUnday means 31 hours from now.

Geez is she creating confusion on purpose with all this drip feeding.

For a professional communicator, she really, really, is useless!
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March 14, 2020 5:04pm
- cha
  
  Why not make it from NOW?
  
  And en-route aircraft will do what?
  
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  March 14, 2020 5:27pm
rightoverlabour

Why only from Sunday Midnight. Why not “Immediately”.

“The prime minister says it is not realistic for New Zealand to only have a handful of Covid-19 cases.”

Politician speak for ” we know this has bolted and we don’t know what the fuck to do”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120279430/coronavirus-prime-minister-updates-nz-on-covid19-outbreak
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March 14, 2020 5:08pm
rightoverlabour

And now for something completely different…
The science is NOT settled …
https://electroverse.net/46-climate-change-denying-statements-made-by-former-ipcc-experts/
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