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artemisia

Student loan borrower Kelly Righton is sad, stressed and heartbroken at paying ‘huge’ interest on her student loan because of being overseas ‘living a better dream’ working on superyachts after 5 years of tertiary study for a diploma and a degree.

One might think that a person with 5 years of tertiary education behind them might have done a few sums before making a ‘better dream’ decision.

Sympathy = zip.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/119295242/student-loan-interest-saddening-and-heartbreaking
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February 8, 2020 8:04am
- peterwn
  
  A big problem here is Robbo, to help shore up Labour’s election chances, may promise to write off outstanding student loans but would not care less about students who did the right thing and paid off their loans (defaulters are probably more inclined to vote Labour/ Green than National).
  
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  February 8, 2020 10:26am
  - DeepBlue
    
    Peterwn…I’m not sure that would be a winner with NZ based voters. Most massive debt borrowers are based overseas so why should NZ tax payers right off their loans.
    
    The better policy would be a halt of interest payments on return to NZ with no more interest or penalties compounding. With the debt amortized over a very long term. Better to get some money than none, and have these NZers return home with their capital and experience.
    
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    February 8, 2020 12:13pm
    - Chuck Bird
      
      I pay 3.39% on one of my morgages. I beleive the government is borrowing at 1.5%.
      
      If the interest rate on student loans was lower I believe there would be fewer defaults.
      
      If the government made an offer to greatly reduce the interest owed but not the principle then then they would recover a lot of the debt.
      
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      February 8, 2020 2:20pm
      - DeepBlue
        
        Agree – It is way better to deal with this now rather than when interest rates balloon.
        
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        February 8, 2020 2:31pm
    - youngAU
      
      Interest already halts upon reestablishing tax residence and abode back in New Zealand. The lack of appeal coming back to NZ is minor.
      
      As others have suggested, dropping the interest rates is a feasible idea in order to improve repayment rates.
      
      It is very easy to set up a myIR account and keep track of the payment owning the due dates. They’re very clear when you log in, so the ambiguity is close to nil.
      
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      February 8, 2020 3:14pm
    - Raphael
      
      I agree @Deepblue. apart from a few plonkers most people commenting on the news articles were extremely unsympathetic to the loan defaulters.
      
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      February 8, 2020 9:47pm
- Lee C
  
  you mean the media are running another patsy sop-piece to smooth the rails for a populist ‘to the rescue’ announcement by Jacinda just before the election?
  
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  February 8, 2020 10:42am
  - Colville
    
    I would like to think that a move to write off defaulters debts would be massively unpopular with taxpayers.
    
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    February 8, 2020 11:01am
    - peterwn
      
      ‘like to think’ – agreed, but the student population may not see it that way.
      
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      February 8, 2020 1:15pm
      - Colville
        
        Having thought about this a bit now I would welcome a move by Cindy to write off delinquent student debt as the screaming from every taxpayer who works hard and pays their debts would be a death blow to the COL.
        
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        February 8, 2020 2:58pm
      - Close Hen Counters
        
        And one would have to ask why not? Educated university trained New Zealanders are not going to be paying tax soon in gained employment and feeling the same pain ? …. our country is seriously going down the farking gurgler if I am paying for fees defaulters now on super yachts whilst I paid off my student loan
        
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        February 8, 2020 4:57pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  We paid off our son’s student loan as he was overseas and the interest was higher than what we could get in the bank.
  
  Naturally we don’t expect to get anything back if Labour decides to erase/forgive those student loans still active.
  
  Even if Labour did so, it would be worth it to me if that helps get rid of them.
  
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  February 8, 2020 12:22pm
- Surely Knott
  
  https://givealittle.co.nz/profile/individual/kelly-righton. Her give a little profile said she also went to super yacht school in nz. Which the stuff article appears to have left out. So she has done half an arts degree, a uni degree, super yacht school and now found work in her chosen profession. Stuff article paints a very different picture to her own profile.
  
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  February 8, 2020 2:03pm
  - Close Hen Counters
    
    Right she wants to legitimise fucking or fucking off on super boat needs uni degree to do that at expected taxpayers expense -yeah nah darling, tabs on you, suck it up as they say
    
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    February 8, 2020 5:02pm
  - Close Hen Counters
    
    Give a little?????? Jesus Christ I thought that was for terminal cancer not poor life choices
    
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    February 8, 2020 5:03pm
CJames

esterday’s first post was labelled “The one honest Republican Senator” prraising Mitt Romney. He might have made a decision that DPF agreed with so praised, as is his perogative as blog owner, but I don’t think Mr Romney is someone to be held up as an example of probity. He is certainly not the knight on a white charger as the Never Trumpers have annointed him. He is as corrupt as many, if not most, of the other members of the US Legislature with a lot of unscrupulous behaviour and dodgy deals in his bulging skeleton closets.
Mr Romney made his fortune as part of Bain Capital, which specialised in leveraged buyouts and the forcing the high debts on companies to make them sack staff to pay back the loans that were never theirs to start with. https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/greed-and-debt-the-true-story-of-mitt-romney-and-bain-capital-183291/. He did a lot of this while Governor of Massachusetts (2003 to 2007). He only became a senator for another state in 2018 after a failure 24 years before, so not up for re-election until 2024. He had a more posher upbringing than Trump and note he also avoided military service in Vietnam.
In another fact he hasn’t disclosed, one of Mr Romney’s major advisors in his failed Presidential bid, Joseph Cofer Black, served on the board of Burisma with Hunter Biden and is still on the board. https://www.dailywire.com/news/flashback-top-romney-advisor-served-on-burismas-board-with-hunter-biden https://pjmedia.com/trending/flashback-top-romney-advisor-served-on-board-of-burisma-with-hunter-biden/ As Trump asking that this company be investigated was the action that Mr Romney voted against, it looks very much like a very undeclared vested interest.
Trump may be an arrogant narcissist, but he doesn’t come out the worse personality in comparison with “honest” Mitt Romney. History won’t see Trump as a great or even a good President, just one of the better choices of a lot of very bad options available.
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February 8, 2020 8:04am
- Billy Collins
  
  Mitt publicly accused Trump of calling neo-nazis “very fine people”, even though Trump said in the exact same speech, “I’m not talking about neo-nazis and white supremacists because they should be condemned totally.”
  
  He called for Trump to publicly apologise. If he made an genuine mistake here, then if he was honest, he would place that commitment on himself as well, but that public apology is nowhere.
  
  Also, he has been on every side of every major issue throughout his career, from abortion to the 2nd amendment.
  
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  February 8, 2020 9:56am
- curry4me
  
  Thanks for your excellent detective work exposing Pierre Delecto. Saved me doing it.
  
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  February 8, 2020 11:01am
- Harriet
  
  “……was labelled “The one honest Republican Senator” praising Mitt Romney. He might have made a decision that DPF agreed with so praised, as is his prerogative as blog owner, but I don’t think Mr Romney is someone to be held up as an example of probity…..”
  
  😎 Former Utah Governor John Huntsman once summed up Romney as “a perfectly lubricated weather vane on the important issues of the day.” 😎
  
  It appears that DPF has the feels. But that’s his prerogative as blog owner.
  
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  February 8, 2020 12:20pm
CJames

In an interesting article on the possibility of Sinn Fein getting back into power in the Irish elections
https://unherd.com/2020/02/why-is-sinn-fein-rising/ David Quinn saves his punch line till last.
“So while voters might take fright before tomorrow, it is now only a matter of time before Sinn Féin form part of the Government in Dublin. Currently, Irish people like to look down on Americans for having elected Donald Trump and Britons for Boris Johnson, but if we put in power a party that is still overseen by a paramilitary organisation like the IRA, can we really afford to be so judgemental?”
One might say the same about NZ voters and the current government lurching from disaster to disaster.
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February 8, 2020 8:05am
- Tall Man
  
  There is a big difference, when you vote for Sinn Fein you know what you are getting. With labour, all you got were broken promises and in fact I’m not so sure these “promises” were actually “broken” as such because they never intended to implement them.
  
  The whole 2017 campaign was little more than a series of lies and photo ops for ardern.
  
  This election will be remembered for a recycling of the same lies but this time the “photo ops” will include a child.
  
  Shame on the media and ardern.
  
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  February 8, 2020 9:46am
oob

“Team all emails should be on personal addresses or those that cannot be subject to an official information request” wrote Phil Goff, breaking the law.

Whoever is in possession of the archive, please release all of it. This material is of crucial public interest.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12306872
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February 8, 2020 8:07am
- rockape
  
  I am sure if we had a whip round we could raise that $20,000.
  
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  February 8, 2020 10:03am
Happychappy

I wonder how long it will take before Goff and Labour blame the National Party for Emails recieved over a 12year period have been offered with a$20,000 price tag which apparently appear to contain deeply personal alongside Council and Parliamentary work.
The seller claims to have more than 15,000 emails from the Xtra account in Goffs name with a data base spanning from 2007-2019.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12306872
Surely you would thought after the whale oil debacle and the repercussions over that that that they wouldn’t let the same thing happen again.
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February 8, 2020 8:13am
- tranquil
  
  “Surely you would thought after the whale oil debacle and the repercussions over that that that they wouldn’t let the same thing happen again.”
  
  Agreed!
  
  No matter what the motivations of the hacker, this raises the obvious question – why would anyone trust Labour to run the country when they can’t even run their own email?
  
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  February 8, 2020 8:47am
- Inandout
  
  Hager could buy the emails and then destroy the ones that put Phil in a bad light.
  
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  February 8, 2020 8:47am
  - Ruahine
    
    Hagar may have them already. He seems to have the knack of getting other peoples property.
    
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    February 8, 2020 9:19am
  - Nickc2
    
    Touche. Can’t put brains in statues.
    
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    February 8, 2020 1:48pm
- JimBobJoe
  
  these emails are obviously ‘in the public interest’ and surely should be all published in an easily searchable format….who knows what misdeeds we may find, maybe secret comm’s with undisclosed donors and the press???
  
  Making mischief : )
  
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  February 8, 2020 8:48am
- cmm
  
  I wonder how long it is before RNZ funnel taxpayer money to “investigative journalist” Hager for the public interest.
  
  They tried with the Panama Papers (and found nothing).
  
  If it wasn’t for the fact it was coming straight out of your pocket, it would have been comical.
  
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  February 8, 2020 9:42am
- Tall Man
  
  For god’s sake man, everyone already knows it was Trump aided and abetted by Sir John Key ….. and climate change.
  
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  February 8, 2020 9:51am
- mikenmildagain
  
  I wonder, if these emails get published, will the same crew upset about others’ emails being ‘stolen’ get upset, or will they cheer?
  
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  February 8, 2020 10:06am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Just levelling the playing field maybe…
    
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    February 8, 2020 10:35am
  - Lee C
    
    I can only speak for myself when I say I abhor this kind of cowardly crime, regardless of the political persuasion of the person or the motivations behind it.
    
    It lacks transparency and rigour and allows perpetrators to cherry-pick information to further their own agendas.
    
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    February 8, 2020 10:47am
  - double d
    
    You are spot on Mikey. Stealing emails – regardless of what they contain – is something that we should abhor regardless of which side of the political fence you sit on.
    It was a disgraceful episode when WOils email we’re hacked – I have little time for that person – but I think the hack was the start of the end for him.
    Just as much as we want political dirt to discredit a political opponent – this is not the way.
    
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    February 8, 2020 12:24pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Those concerned should implement protective measures. There are plenty of them. They are either naive or ill-advised. In Goofs case, I would also add too arrogant to accept advice.
      
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      February 8, 2020 1:56pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    I agree, e mail hacking is criminal and not on, but, if it reveals criminal behaviour, then does that trump the crime of hacking? Do you also object to ISIS e mails being hacked? What about the IRAs? You don’t like Trump, so are is fair game?. Not a black and while issue here. Goff is potentially being criminal in requesting that e mails be done is a way to prevent OIA requests?
    
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    February 8, 2020 12:55pm
  - alloytoo
    
    If Goff has deliberately used his private email account to circumvent official information requests that then not only is that information legitimate public information, but Goff needs to be held account for for his actions.
    
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    February 8, 2020 2:33pm
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      A labour life time tougher being held accountable for his actions ?
      
      Yer ‘avin’ a larf mate!
      
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      February 8, 2020 3:47pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  I imagine there will be any number of dirty politic, fascist, right wing, neoliberal-inspired scandals to be promoted by the left this year
  
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  February 8, 2020 10:37am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Speaking of which, what scandal will Winston push about 3-4 weeks from election date that only he can save the country from?
    It’d be interesting – he’s already used up a number for the National Party, but clearly there will be something out there that reeks of neoliberalism and of which the National Party hierarchy are donkey deep in…
    
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    February 8, 2020 10:40am
    - Lee C
      
      Perhaps he’ll publish the CoL agreement document.
      
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      February 8, 2020 12:39pm
      - Suze Wainwright
        
        The funny thing is that I wouldn’t put it past Winston blaming the National Party hierarchy for the CoL agreement…
        
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        February 8, 2020 1:16pm
      - sooty
        
        Nah, he wrote that document!
        He would lose votes!
        
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        February 8, 2020 1:24pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Perhaps he will smear National with the Goof e-mail hacking fiasco? I hope you are not reading this Winston. I would hate to give you any ideas.
      
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      February 8, 2020 2:01pm
- Ruawai
  
  Goff will buy them to shut any leaks down
  
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  February 8, 2020 10:45am
  - Nickc2
    
    Yea, with ratepayer’s money!!!
    
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    February 8, 2020 2:01pm
  - info@cruzpro.com
    
    A blackmailer would likely take the money and then still offer the emails for sale.
    
    I believe that it’s very likely that these emails will become public eventually. If these emails contain embarrasing information then Goff
    Is pretty much screwed I think
    
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    February 8, 2020 6:34pm
- surfing
  
  Goff is a silly old fool.
  
  Everyone should know not to use an email that is tied to your ISP.
  
  And Xtra has bumped from one disaster to the next, over the years.
  
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  February 8, 2020 11:49am
Scott

One more comment about Mitt Romney voting to convict the president and remove him from office.
Tucker Carlson and Mark Steyn on Fox said that Mitt Romney was the reason we got Donald Trump elected Pres.

Romney was called all the names when he ran for Pres in 2012. He was called a racist, a bully, a cruel corporate raider, just like Trump has been called.

But Romney never pushed back, never called out the media, never stood up to the taunts of the pc crowd. As a consequence he lost an election he could have won. But instead they got 4 more years of Obama.

So the Republican electorate turned against him and went to Trump. Because Trump does push back, Trump does fight. They Republican voters wanted that.

Romney is everything the voters rejected in 2016. Trump fights for them. Romney didn’t. Trump has the virtue of courage. He stands up and fights the pc crowd and fights for the forgotten workers of the USA. Romney wouldn’t know who those forgotten workers were.
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February 8, 2020 8:24am
- cmm
  
  That’s an interesting perspective.
  
  Essentially the conservatives being sick and tired of taking abuse and being told to stand up straight and take it like a bunch of pussies.
  
  No wonder the MAGA campaign caught on.
  
  If Romney had had to face the basket of deplorables comment, he would have probably apologised.
  
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  February 8, 2020 9:48am
peterwn

Auckland Airport has clammed up on latest runway failure – surely airlines, passengers and shareholders deserve a proper explanation. One instance could be excused as a misfortune but twice is carelessness. Auckland airport is quick to issue ‘puff piece’ statements to NZX when a new airline starts flying into Auckland etc. So they ought to be making an explanation to NZX, and NZX should be asking for a ‘please explain’. A senior management head rolled in Telecom (as it then was) when the Palmerston North phone exchange fell over some years ago so it seems a head should roll here.
Perhaps the airport company has clammed up to avoid the possibility of lawsuits on the grounds of negligence.
I do not believe the Board or CEO were directly responsible by denying funding so the onus is in the senior manager responsible for aerodrome maintenance. The manager either misjudged or did not pay proper attention so should either receive a rocket or be given the boot. If the culture was rotten or the manager had undue difficulty obtaining funds for proper maintenance, that is a problem for the CEO and the Board (especially the audit and risk committee).
All in all an inconvenient management/ governance failure that should not have happened. I may ask awkward questions at the next Company AGM.
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February 8, 2020 8:24am
- Sydney Alvarado
  
  Thanks for sharing. I had missed as I black out all media on Waitangi Day ?
  
  It seems serious. You gotta love this from their communications spokesperson. Like it is totally normal. You have to wonder about folk that decide they will go to university to do a degree in “communications” so they can then be paid to mislead the public.
  
  “”On occasion, Auckland Airport will temporarily close the runway outside the planned closure windows to allow closer inspection of a particular area, to remove FOD (Foreign Object Debris) and/or to undertake maintenance if required,” he said”
  
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  February 8, 2020 9:07am
  - John Warren
    
    Me too, Sydney. So I missed this story as well.
    
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    February 8, 2020 10:48am
  - Lizziep
    
    Glad to hear someone else has a total media blackout on Wednesday Sydney. It is good for the soul/spirit or just plain old anger management to do that and I have done it for many years and will continue to do so.
    
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    February 8, 2020 10:56am
NK

Phil Goff’s Xtra email account has been hacked and there are 10 years of emails available.

This is about to get interesting.
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February 8, 2020 8:25am
- freethinker
  
  Report on YSB that Phil Twyfords e mails have been hacked is this a name mix up or have both been hacked, hope its both – Popcorn & Beer.
  
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  February 8, 2020 8:33am
- MrTips
  
  Can’t wait for Haggard to write a book based on it……oh wait
  
  Once it hits the media, you know this sort of detail has already been around the world twice.
  Maybe Cindy could give Phil a hug?
  
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  February 8, 2020 8:40am
  - sooty
    
    Phool Goof is going to be draging his sorry arse up on the podium to explain!
    
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    February 8, 2020 10:02am
- Hollyfield
  
  Some years ago it was widely reported that there had been “yet another’ security breach with Xtra emails. Many people stopped using Xtra because of these breaches. The big question is are Phil Goff’s hacked emails before or after that time – did he continue using Xtra knowing it wasn’t secure?
  
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  February 8, 2020 10:47am
  - peterwn
    
    The issue is whether Xtra leaked, whether he had a useless password or whether too many staffers knew the password meaning a chance of leak. I would not be in too much of a hurry to blame Spark as Spark would be very security conscious and because Xtra is valuable to Spark, so Spark has an incentive to protect Xtra’s reputation.
    
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    February 8, 2020 1:24pm
    - Hollyfield
      
      I wasn’t blaming Spark, just questioning Phil Goff’s email practices. If – I said IF -he does happen to have a useless password and any staffers knowing the password (as you suggest) that would only add to my questioning of his email practices. For example, unlike Phil Goff my email doesn’t have anything that would be of interest to political opponents, and even I have a strong password and I don’t share my password with anybody.
      
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      February 8, 2020 2:30pm
rightoverlabour

Hmm, if this guy is right Climate alarmists have a major problem. In theory he could be as CO2 has always followed tempertaure in the last 3 million years, but generally over the last 540 mil years there is no correlation with CO2 at all. A large number of scientists argue that atmospheric temperature is mostly governed by pressure, and that variations on small scales are due to solar changes, orbital forcing, cloudiness changes and volcanic eruptions. CO2 is very much a small player in all of this.

https://electroverse.net/according-to-direct-atmospheric-measurements-co2-levels-were-above-400-ppm-in-the-1940s/
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February 8, 2020 8:27am
- tedbear
  
  Malcolm Roberts Queensland Senator doing a “How dare you” at fraudster scientist Michael Mann.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=7&v=trywf_p-lgs&feature=emb_logo
  
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  February 8, 2020 9:06am
  - Stephieboy2
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    tedbear, Michael Mann fraudster scientist??
    
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    February 8, 2020 9:21am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Yes. Fraud. Research it. Omitting data that does not fit the predetermined hypothesis is fraud, as is stitching different data sets to look like one continuous curve. Not releasing the data to the courts to cover this up… all scientific fraud.
      
      “Per the Climategate emails, ‘Mike’s Nature trick’ was to splice thermometer records onto paleoproxies to hide the decline’ in temperature in Briffa’s proxies which, had they been revealed, would have discredited the entire exercise.”
      
      https://realclimatescience.com/2019/01/scotts-nature-trick/
      
      and he is not the only one
      
      https://judithcurry.com/2011/04/09/lawyering-up/
      
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      February 8, 2020 9:46am
    - Michael NZ
      
      Drive by Stephie
      
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      February 8, 2020 10:13am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Also, calculating a specific statistic in his processing and using it when it supports his argument but omitting it when it shows that the reconstruction lacked statistical validity for the majority of the period.
      
      That is outright academic fraud.
      
      Might also point out that using data upside down and against the interpretation of collector should also be disqualifying. Lake varves (sediment records) where thicker was deduced to indicate colder weather (higher snowfall hence more meltwater) was used so that thicker was interpreted as warmer – because that matched with his theory.
      
      Mann is a disgrace to the profession.
      
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      February 8, 2020 5:32pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Brilliant speech. Worth watching. Go on Stephie, How Dare You!
    
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    February 8, 2020 9:54am
  - hmmm82
    
    Mark Steyn recently won a court case against Mann, currently being appealled. Mann sued Steyn for Defamation (fraudster), and lost. Same again for Tim Ball.
    Twice (at least) courts have agreed Mann’s hockey stick is fraudulent.
    
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    February 8, 2020 12:16pm
rightoverlabour

and on snow…. (our grandchildren may not even know what snow is….)

https://electroverse.net/greenlands-smb-gained-7-gigatons-yesterday/
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February 8, 2020 8:29am
rightoverlabour

LOL… now some one just needs to hack Jacindas….
Email hacking – Phill Goff
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12306872

Among the emails provided were two dealing with campaign financing. One began with the line: “Team all emails should be on personal addresses or those that cannot be subject to an official information request”.
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February 8, 2020 8:32am
- Nickc2
  
  Goof wouldn’t encourage criminal activity would he? Of course he bloody would, it’s the Labour Party way after all.
  
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  February 8, 2020 2:15pm
cmm

The sad tale showing the difference between software specialists and hobbyists:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/119263192/sabotage-or-theft-inside-the-24m-cryptopia-heist

Not a bad read if you can put up with the sort of writing that would have earned a thrashing when I was at school.

These guys set themselves up for failure. Absolutely rubbish security, hobbyists and gamers with egos the size of buses designing systems instead of a competent software team.
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February 8, 2020 8:34am
Paulus

Interesting to see in today’s Dreadful Marvelly’s article that Maori only know what is best for Maori.
I agree as yesterday in Rotorua Howard Morrison’s daughter was given 12 months home detention for stealing $1,300,000.
All the rellies and famous friends appeared to cheer at the sentence.
Eh!
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February 8, 2020 8:36am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Unlike stundent loan defaulters she will not have to pay anything back let alone with interest.
  
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  February 8, 2020 9:16am
  - Nickc2
    
    Does this Judge have a record of being lenient toward discharging justice to Maori or is this new judge someone we don’t know much about? I don’t know anything about him/her.
    
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    February 8, 2020 2:19pm
peterwn

R v Pay sentencing for murder (which had to be adjourned when the accused made a dig fuss in the dock). The worrying thing was he was not given a ‘first strike’ warning when earlier convicted. This is vital – suppose the offender seriously assaults a prison officer or prisoner while awaiting sentencing.
There could be merit in amending the ‘strike’ law so the ‘strike’ is given when the accused is charged with a ‘strike’ crime. The ‘strike’ would be removed if the accused is acquitted. This would give better protection for prison staff and other prisoners or to the public if on bail.
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February 8, 2020 8:44am
cmm

Antarctica hits 18 degrees!!!

Or maybe not: just one spot; Esperanza Base – just 1000km from mainland South America – recorded 18 degrees.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/119365166/antarctica-just-hit-18-degrees-celsius-its-warmest-temperature-ever-recorded
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February 8, 2020 9:01am
- Jade Warrior
  
  The global warming alarmists keep forgetting that the climate of the Antarctic peninsula is very different to the rest of the continent.
  
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  February 8, 2020 9:07am
  - Stephieboy2
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Jake Warrior, now why would that be ?
    
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    February 8, 2020 9:28am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Here, stephieboy
      
      https://discoveringantarctica.org.uk/oceans-atmosphere-landscape/atmosphere-weather-and-climate/regional-climate-variation-and-weather/
      
      Have a read and try and figure out why all by yourself.
      
      (The clues are near the end)
      
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      February 8, 2020 9:57am
      - Stephieboy2
        
        Here,MW from the same ,
        
        Form the British Antarctic Survey
        
        Climate & climate change
        
        “The Antarctic is a pivotal part of the Earth’s climate system and a sensitive barometer of environmental change. Although remote and inhospitable, Antarctica is Earth’s most powerful natural laboratory. Understanding how the Antarctic is responding to current climate change – and what the continent was like in the past – is essential if scientists are to be able to more accurately predict future climate change and provide accurate information to politicians and policy makers.…
        
        Antarctic ice cores reveal the clearest link between levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere and the Earth’s temperature. They show that the temperature of the climate and the levels of greenhouse gases are intimately linked. In 2004, ice core scientists at BAS working together with colleagues from other European nations successfully extracted a three-kilometre ice core from the Antarctic. This core contains a record of the Earth’s climate stretching back 800,000 years – giving us by far the oldest continuous climate record yet obtained from ice cores….”
        
        https://www.bas.ac.uk/science/our-research/topics/climate-climate-change/
        
        LOL
        
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        February 8, 2020 11:26am
      - hmmm82
        
        CO2 and temperature do NOT have a direct relationship.
        https://edberry.com/blog/climate/climate-physics/temperature-and-co2-history/
        
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        February 8, 2020 12:25pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        We all know that Temperature and CO2 are intimately linked, stephieboy.
        
        The Antarctic cores show that temperature leads the CO2 by a few thousand years.
        
        The values of a temperature proxy, the hydrogen isotopic composition (δD), in the Antarctic EDC ice core1,2 have varied in parallel with CO2 concentrations over the past 800 thousand years (kyr; r2 = 0.82)3. However, δD apparently leads CO2 variations. For example, during the last termination (TI), the start of Antarctic warming has been estimated to be synchronous with CO2 increase4 or to lead CO2 increases by 800 ± 600 years5 on the East Antarctic Plateau. The lead is ca. 2000 years at a West Antarctic site6. Over the past 420 kyr, the Vostok ice core shows that the Antarctic δD temperatures lead the CO2 variations by 1.3 ± 1.0 kyr7. During the lukewarm interglacials (430–650 kyr BP), Antarctic δD leads CO2 by 1900 years, and the correlation between CO2 and δD is weaker (r2 = 0.57), as determined from the EDC core8.
        
        https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5840396/
        
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        February 8, 2020 12:42pm
      - rightoverlabour
        
        @ Stephieboy I’m impressewd with your ability to cut and paste. Now could you in your own words explain the difference between correlation and causation, and while we are at it the difference between an independent and dependent variable. No cut and paste please, your own words, based on your unparralled education. And then apply that to the apparent link between CO2 and temperature.
        
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        February 8, 2020 3:21pm
    - cmm
      
      Ummm, maybe because they are complete idiots who think Antarctica is a homogeneous ice desert.
      
      The Antarctic Peninsula is a 2200km skinny bit of land that sticks out into the sea. – just 1000 km from S.America. Clearly very different from the bulk of Antarctica. It has flowering plants.
      
      Esperanza Base is actually closer to South America than it is to the main body of Antarctica.
      
      Antarctica is variable.
      
      The vast bulk of Antarctica is covered in thick ice sheets – up to 3km thick in places. That is going nowhere even if you use an SUV to drive to work on Monday..
      
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      February 8, 2020 10:04am
    - rangitoto
      
      Look on a map.
      
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      February 8, 2020 10:12am
    - Michael NZ
      
      drive by Stephie
      
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      February 8, 2020 10:15am
      - Stephieboy2
        
        Michael NZ , take off your blinkers and look up down and before you!
        
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        February 8, 2020 11:27am
  - tedbear
    
    Ah but if it’s also 18c in Waipukurau and North Carolina on the same day at the same time, then it proves there’s a ‘climate pattern’ according to the alarmists.
    
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    February 8, 2020 9:46am
    - Komata
      
      tedbear@0946
      
      Realising, of course that because NC is approximately 18 hours behind NZ, the ‘same day at the same time’ scenario is just a tad difficult to achieve…
      
      But then, when did actual facts get in the way of a climate alarmist’s well-held views..?
      
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      February 8, 2020 10:48am
    - John Warren
      
      So Waipukurau is relevant after all!
      
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      February 8, 2020 10:51am
      - Colville
        
        if Waipukarau is the answer you are asking a silly question!
        
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        February 8, 2020 11:47am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Don’t be rude, if it wasn’t for Waipukurau there would be nothing between Waipawa and Norsewood !
        
        The coffee place in the old railway station does make good coffee though.
        
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        February 8, 2020 5:38pm
  - wreck1080
    
    Denying facts makes you feel better?
    
    The source of this report provides more detail…it is the long term trend (taking cyclical variations into account) that matters.
    
    https://public.wmo.int/en/media/news/new-record-antarctic-continent-reported
    
    The Antarctic Peninsula (the northwest tip near to South America) is among the fastest warming regions of the planet, almost 3°C over the last 50 years. The amount of ice lost annually from the Antarctic ice sheet increased at least six-fold between 1979 and 2017. Most of the ice loss takes place by melting of the ice shelves from below, due to incursions of relatively warm ocean water, especially in west Antarctica and to a lesser extent along the peninsula and in east Antarctica.
    
    Pine Island Glacier
    
    Some 87% of glaciers along the west coast of the Antarctic Peninsula have retreated in the last 50 years with most of these showing an accelerated retreat in the last 12 years.
    
    Pine Island glacier.Cracks in the Pine Island Glacier in Antarctica have been growing rapidly over the last days, according to satellite images from Europe’s Sentinel1. The Pine Island Glacier is one of the primary ice arteries in the West Antarctic Ice Sheet. The two large rifts were first spotted in early 2019 and have each rapidly grown to approximately 20 km in length.
    
    Pine Island glacier, like its neighbouring Thwaites Glacier, has been dramatically losing ice over the last 25 years. Owing to their extremely remote location, satellites play a critical role in measuring and monitoring Antarctic glaciology – revealing the timing and pace of glacial retreat in Antarctica.
    
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    February 8, 2020 10:55am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      A lot of ice movemnet in Anacrtica may be due to volcanic activity
      
      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/12/scientists-discover-91-volcanos-antarctica
      
      https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/volcano-antarctic-ice-melting-pine-island-glacier-sea-level-climate-change-global-warming-a8423131.html
      
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      February 8, 2020 1:45pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Antarctica temperature reconstructions have been contentious due to the lack of measuring stations.
  
  https://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/05/29/steig-et-al-falsified/
  
  https://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/12/01/skeptic-paper-accepted-on-antarctica-rebuts-steig-et-al/
  
  https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/05/10/climate-data-shows-no-recent-warming-in-antarctica-instead-a-slight-cooling/
  
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  February 8, 2020 10:55am
  - Stephieboy2
    
    Wrong,
    
    Antarctic Automatic Weather Stations Project,
    
    The Antarctic Automatic Weather Station (AWS) Project is an Antarctic research program at the Space Science and Engineering Center at the University of Wisconsin–Madison that is funded by the Office of Polar Programs at the National Science Foundation (NSF). The AWS project was started in 1980 by UW-Madison atmospheric sciences Professor Charles R. Stearns.[1]
    
    Currently, the UW-Madison AWS project operates and maintains 57 automated weather stations in Antarctica, more than half of all stations currently known to be operating on the continent.
    
    Automated weather stations have multiple different sensors that measure temperature, wind speed and direction, relative humidity, and pressure..”
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_Automatic_Weather_Stations_Project
    
    And,
    
    http://amrc.ssec.wisc.edu
    
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    February 8, 2020 11:36am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Fuck, a whole 57 stations for a continent that large. I feel so humbled by your retort!
      
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      February 8, 2020 12:59pm
      - rightoverlabour
        
        By the way Anarctica is 14mil Km2 vs Continental USA, at 9.8mil km2 The USA has about 1221. Obviusly not an issue. 57 vs 1221….
        
        so 14 Mil km2 gets covered by 57 stations, thats about 1 per 250,00km2. and most of these are on the coast….
        
        So we have a very good idea of the actual weather in Antarctica… LOL
        
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        February 8, 2020 1:31pm
    - wreck1080
      
      The psychology of climate change deniers is interesting – how some people can dismiss overwhelming evidence, if the evidence defies their inner faith system.
      
      Fortunately, as with vaccine denialists, AGW deniers can be dismissed as harmless yet noisy.
      
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      February 8, 2020 1:17pm
      - rightoverlabour
        
        Actually, we look at good science, and rely on some experts in their fields such as Richard Lindzen, Patrick Moore, John Christy, Judith Curry, Roy Christy, Freemon Dyson, Happer …. the list is extensive and many of these contributed to the 1st IPCC report. Unlike Alarmist who rely on the Fraud Mann, the failed Politician Gore, and the Climate Messiah Greta who can see CO2…..
        
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        February 8, 2020 1:40pm
      - alloytoo
        
        The psychology of climate alarmists is interesting – how some people can dismiss overwhelming evidence, if the evidence defies their cult.
        
        Unfortunately, as with vaccine denialists, AGW alarmists can’t be dismissed as harmless yet noisy their actions can call real hardship and death to the poorest and most vulnerable of our society.
        
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        February 8, 2020 2:53pm
Yvette

He’s [Peters] also said that if Bridges doesn’t pick up the phone, someone else in National’s caucus will. That’s been taken as a suggestion National’s leader could be rolled if the party needs NZ First to form a government.

Should such a situation happen – that voters are given such a specific pledge that National will not form a Government with New Zealand First, but then does, even if it involves changing Leader to do it – what recourse do voters have?
Could there be such a case as a judicial review or a mechanism that declares the Election invalid and requires another Election be held?

How big a lie do you need to quash an Election result?
In other words, is Winston talking crap or not?
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February 8, 2020 9:03am
- cmm
  
  Of course he’s talking crap.
  
  What National need is for every one of their senior people to say “No deal with NZF”.
  
  Winston is dreaming. What he’s blustering about assumes:
  1) He will survive the next election.
  2) He will have the right amount of seats to do the kingmaker deal.
  
  But he’s clearly rattled which means he thinks Labour is heading for the rocks.
  
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  February 8, 2020 9:24am
  - igm
    
    I hope you re correct . . . this CoL is the worst thing to ever happen to NZ.
    We have a unelected PM intent on turning us into a caliphate, Green tossers who think the planet is flat and a toxic gnome who hates anyone with commercial experience and assets.
    
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    February 8, 2020 9:33am
    - mikenmildagain
      
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      the worst thing to ever happen to NZ.
      
      Really?
      Worse than the Christchurch mosque killings?
      Worse than the Christchurch earthquake?
      Worse than WWII or WWI?
      
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      February 8, 2020 10:11am
      - sam green
        
        Worse than a paper cut? Can’t be- there’s nothing worse than a paper cut.
        
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        February 8, 2020 11:07am
    - wreck1080
      
      Every labour government gets called the worst thing that happened to NZ.
      
      Although, i think the shift from a working class party to socialist has not been bad. The working class no longer have a party that looks after their needs.
      
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      February 8, 2020 10:58am
      - hmmm82
        
        Have we ever had any govt that shuts down all investment in an entire industry as a Captains Call, enables corrupt behavior to the tune of billions, throws our liberty out the window for a soundbite. That is not all Labour, but it wouldn’t have happened without Labour deciding a life-long communist with a communications degree who never had a real job was the best person to lead us.
        
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        February 8, 2020 12:34pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  Yvette, firstly, for that to happen, NZF has to make 5%. Secondly, if immediately after election Bridges was rolled and someone picked up the phone that would not mean a NZF/National government but the end of National in givernment for a very long time.
  
  There should be a poll coming out soon. There should also be the results of Peters’ court case against National and MSD soon.
  
  I will be putting money on National winnng before the odds drop some more.
  
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  February 8, 2020 9:27am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    “There should be a poll coming out soon” – Bro, TV3 is broken and have no money for any polling. TV1 won’t release any poll any soon until they are clear that Cindy and CoL are high up. Meanwhile Horizon poll will keep publishing skewed polls that shows Simon Bridges has only 1% support. Cannot win.
    
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    February 8, 2020 10:29am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      I was polled by TV3/Reid Research early last week. The results must be ready by now. Maybe they’re waiting for lots of important news so they can bury it down the order so nobody will notice.
      
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      February 8, 2020 11:34am
  - Paulus
    
    Only if Wynston makes his Captain’s Call to suggest that Labour voters and the Greens support Jones in the Northland seat.
    Its all in the agreement I am sure.
    Then Wynston will be back !
    
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    February 8, 2020 2:09pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Winston has lost his marbles. (Booze and age?) His announcement that he turned against capitalism and by implication gone full commo shows he cannot possibly be trusted.
  The COL have still the remainder of the year to navigate with Winnies moods and horseplay.
  
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  February 8, 2020 10:13am
  - John Warren
    
    Interesting that such a full commo anti-capitalist seems so intent on accumulating capital, by means both fair and foul.
    
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    February 8, 2020 10:54am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      The Communist elite and oligarchs always are.
      
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      February 8, 2020 11:16am
    - curry4me
      
      It’s just a case of communism for thee, but not for me.
      
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      February 8, 2020 11:21am
      - Harriet
        
        Same with National; socialism for thee but not for me.
        As Roger Douglas said – the individual needs an option out.
        
        Raise the tax free income level to SAY $100k – but ALSO keep the current one – and then reduce some services from the $100k bracket – no unemployment benefit and no WFF payments, no baby bonus, no childcare, NO AGED PENSION etc
        
        Then let the individual choose what bracket they want – for life!
        
        In other words – if you pay less INCOME tax you get less benefits, if you pay more INCOME tax then you get more benefits.
        
        People are more than capable of MOSTLY looking after themselves. 😎
        
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        February 8, 2020 1:33pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Some are more equal than others. How many oligarchs did the former Soviet Union amass?
      
      Capitalism allows more basic freedom for people not to rip them off by those in charge. Human greed and ambition will always rise to the top.
      
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      February 8, 2020 1:39pm
    - alloytoo
      
      Socialism is always about being the pig.
      
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      February 8, 2020 3:01pm
- Lee C
  
  Winston peddling the leadership challenge fallacy ad nauseum perhaps he’s confusing Simon with himself?
  
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  February 8, 2020 12:42pm
- Sacha
  
  I imagine that if anyone does ‘pick up the phone’, they’ll be out on their rear by lunchtime.
  Apart from Ross (who was given the benefit of the doubt for a few days) it’s been a tight ship in the National Caucus.
  
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  February 8, 2020 1:05pm
Hugh Pavletich

Royal Caribbean forbids passport holders from mainland China, Hong Kong, and Macau from boarding its cruise ships … Business Insider

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/royal-caribbean-ships-ban-passport-holders-china-hong-kong-macau-2020-2?r=US&IR=T

• Royal Caribbean said on Friday that passport holders from mainland China, Hong Kong, and Macau would be barred from all its cruise ships, regardless of how long ago they visited those places.

• People who travelled “from, to, or through mainland China, Hong Kong, or Macau less than 15 days prior to their sailing” will also not be allowed to board, the company said.

• Guests found to have a fever or have low blood oxygen levels in Royal Caribbean’s newly mandated health screenings will also not be permitted to travel, the company said.
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February 8, 2020 9:04am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Coronavirus likely to drag on, with serious consequences for New Zealand … Bob Heather … Stuff NZ
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/119301941/coronavirus-likely-to-drag-on-with-serious-consequences-for-new-zealand
  
  OPINION China’s coronavirus is not remotely under control and the world economy is in mounting peril … Ambrose Evans – Pritchard … UK Telegraph
  
  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/02/05/chinas-coronavirus-not-remotely-control-world-economy-mounting2/
  
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  February 8, 2020 9:32am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    China Reneges on Commodity Deals, Worsens Global Trade Chaos … Yahoo Finance
    
    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/chinese-gas-buyer-cnooc-declares-064044988.html
    
    Coronavirus has spurred ‘unprecedented’ wave of US flight cancellations, analyst says … Yahoo Finance
    
    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-based-airlines-hit-by-coronavirus-175640345.html
    
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    February 8, 2020 10:04am
    - Nermal
      
      Talking to yourself again?
      
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      February 8, 2020 1:25pm
  - brett68
    
    The telegraph article is concerning.
    
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    February 8, 2020 11:00am
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Millions Of Chinese Mourn “Martyr” Doctor Punished For Coronavirus Warnings … Zerohedge
      
      https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/more-400-million-people-lockdown-guangzhou-joins-quarantine
      
      Doctor Warns Up To 30% Of Medical Staff Working In Wuhan Hospital Now Infected With nCoV … Zerohedge
      
      https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/doctor-warns-30-medical-staff-working-wuhan-hospital-now-infected-ncov
      
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      February 8, 2020 1:58pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Professor Says Coronavirus is Infecting 50,000 a Day, and He May be Right … CCN
        
        https://www.ccn.com/professor-says-coronavirus-infecting-50000-day-he-may-be-right/
        
        • Infectious disease scientist Neil Ferguson estimates coronavirus could be infecting 50,000 people a day.
        
        • He may be correct, as the data coming out of China look suspicious.
        
        • A steady rate of 3,000 diagnoses per day points to the upper limit of detection kits that are available to the health workers. … VIEW & READ MORE via hyperlink above …
        
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        February 8, 2020 5:05pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        China struggles to contain virus- BBC News / Youtube
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8Vyy5iAoXM
        
        In China, there’s been a huge outpouring of grief and anger at the treatment of a doctor, who tried to warn the world of the dangers of the coronavirus. Hundreds of millions of people have viewed social media posts about Dr Li Wen-Liang who’s died after contracting the illness, while treating infected patients. He was censored by the authorities in the city of Wuhan, after raising the alarm back in December about the potential dangers of the new virus. The government has now sent officials to investigate how he was treated. As the coronavirus continues to spread, controls and restrictions are increasing right across China, where more than six hundred people have died, and another thirty one thousand have been infected.
        
        A British man on his honeymoon is among more than sixty people, who’ve tested positive for the virus on board a cruise ship in Japan. Alan Steele from Wolverhampton has been taken to a nearby hospital for treatment. Of the 3700 people on board the ‘Diamond Princess,’ it is thought there are around eighty Britons, with the ship quarantined in Yokohama, Japan. All the passengers have been confined to their cabins, for the next fortnight.
        
        Tonight’s BBC News at Ten is presented by Clive Myrie and he hears from the BBC’s China correspondent Jon Sudworth in Beijing, the BBC’s Medical Correspondent, Fergus Walsh and the BBC’s Health Editor Hugh Pym.
        
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        February 8, 2020 5:53pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        ‘Crisis mode’: Coronavirus disrupts the heart of electronics manufacturing in China … CNBC
        
        incorporating important video …
        ‘Chinese social media lights up (‘politically explosive’) at death of coronavirus whistleblower, Dr Li Wenliang’
        
        https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/08/coronavirus-effect-on-manufacturing-could-ripple-through-holidays.html
        
        KEY POINTS
        
        • Factories in China, the center of the electronics industry’s supply chain, have been closed for an extended Lunar New Year holiday and are expected to re-open on (February) January 10
        
        • The date is being closely watched because Chinese manufacturing is critical to the electronics industry
        
        • Given travel restrictions and potential supply chain problems, products scheduled for the holiday season months away are at risk of being delayed as well, experts said … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        February 9, 2020 4:56am
igm

So the left in media (especially Peter Williams), are loving to see poor bastards who have worked their fingers to the bone buying properties in nice areas having their values slashed because the state is buying $m plus properties next door.
Is this what Peters meant when he stated there are ways and means to bring house prices down?.
Seems this CoL is surely going to be consigned to the tip with their anti anyone with anything attitude.
We bought a rural property years back (in Clarke’s days) when the neighbour decided to subdivide, leaving 2 acres next door available. Without hesitation we purchased this land because of not trusting what may inhabit it in the future . . . glad we did because we now have guaranteed privacy and no chance of state leeches as neighbours and the value has increased exponentially.
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February 8, 2020 9:10am
- Prince
  
  Can you tell us where it is ? I have a couple of mates looking for some land to occupy and reclaim as taonga.
  
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  February 8, 2020 9:57am
  - kevn
    
    @Prince… Head for Waiheke. That would ideal. Wouldn’t it?
    
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    February 8, 2020 10:33am
    - Prince
      
      Yep. Preferably a vineyard with a beach included. I have a few pencilled in – doing a ‘recy’ next month. Where can I purchase a Tino Rangatiratanga flag ?
      
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      February 8, 2020 11:00am
      - Mummy
        
        $2 shop sells flags.
        
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        February 8, 2020 12:39pm
cmm

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12306648

Apparently, we’re bad. We’re evil. We caused a whole lot of Samoans to die. Bad us.

No doubt there will be some sort of koha that ends up in the pockets of the Samoan officials.

Perhaps the Samoans should look a bit closer to home. Why did they stop their vaccination programmes?
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February 8, 2020 9:20am
- Chuck Bird
  
  cmm, not we but the current government. National’s health spokesman, Dr Shane Reti was trying to get the government to act responsibly but they would not listen.
  
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  February 8, 2020 9:31am
  - alwyn
    
    But it is all the previous Government’s fault. After all the Genter wench says so and she would never tell a lie, would she?
    In the Herald story she blames it all on National
    “Officials were planning targeted immunisation work for 2020, the report noted, but no funding had been committed. Money is finally set to be found; Associate Health Minister Julie Anne Genter has confirmed an imminent announcement. She blamed National for leaving the health system badly underfunded.”
    I wonder how she manages to fit her fantasies with the statement made by the National Representative?
    “However, National’s health spokesman Michael Woodhouse said the previous Government boosted immunisation rates for children from 67 per cent in 2007 to about 93 per cent in October 2017, and “since then the immunisation rates of 19 of our 20 DHBs have gone backwards”.
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12306685
    
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    February 8, 2020 9:59am
    - Prince
      
      COL’s excuse of last resort is that National ‘did not commit’ funds in their budget past 2018.
      Of course the definition of the budget is that it commits funds for the next 12 months only, anything further out is forecast.
      But I believe most COL MP’s don’t understand this – they are fiscally and mathematically challenged. And journalists are even more naive.
      
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      February 8, 2020 10:58am
- Jules99
  
  They stopped the programme when two children died. I would do the same. The best way to reduce deaths is to improve sanitation and general health service so that when people get diseases they don’t die from them. Not one person died of measles in NZ because we have proper systems in place to ensure good health in the population, particularly children. We should be assisting with expertise and investment to improve general sanitation and health services in the islands. Throwing cash around like confetti is useless.
  
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  February 8, 2020 10:07am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Two pregnancies in their 2nd trimester came to a fatal end
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_New_Zealand_measles_outbreak
    
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    February 8, 2020 10:28am
  - cmm
    
    ” The best way to reduce deaths is to improve sanitation and general health service”
    
    ie. a cultural issue.
    
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    February 8, 2020 10:34am
  - Paulus
    
    The two children died as a result of medical misadventure whereby they were accidentally given an overdose of vaccine by a nurse/nurses I understand.
    
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    February 8, 2020 2:14pm
- Aunty
  
  How about the Samoans themselves taking these matters seriously, and their health seriously, and not traveling when they or their children are ill?
  
  How about making sure their vaccinations are up to date and complete, and don’t even get me started on their maintaining a healthy weight against a backdrop of a raging epidemic of type II diabetes! Enough with the fried chicken and sugary drinks already!
  
  It really is time for an attitude reset amongst some of the islanders I think.
  
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  February 8, 2020 12:22pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Racist!
    
    How dare you say that fat Samoans should be responsible for their own actions when we have a colonising powers wallet to turn over!
    
    ‘How dare you!’ – an autistic climate alarmist.
    
    ‘How very dare you!’- a funny non autistic Catherine Tate, not nominated for any Nobel Prize at time of writing . . .
    
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    February 8, 2020 4:07pm
Fletch

Elon Musk is going to ruin the night sky, especially for photographers, by launching 40,000 satellites for a 5G network.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2020/02/spacex-starlink-astronomy/606169/
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February 8, 2020 9:41am
- niggly
  
  I’ve seen them and not impressed, apart from the “ruining” of the night sky aspect for astronomers, do we really want thousands of “big brother” type satellites watching over us that (certain “totalitarian”) regimes could potentially use to better track people’s movements and interactions anywhere in the world (should these regimes get the same ideas and launch their own)? Thanks Musk (not), and too late the horse has bolted …
  
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  February 8, 2020 10:05am
  - Fletch
    
    Skynet… ?
    
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    February 8, 2020 10:25am
  - cmm
    
    I’m not sure they have the capability to “watch over us”. 5G satellites will be using all their power for 5G comms. Not much to waste on snooping.
    
    If they’re snooping then they use other satellites.
    
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    February 8, 2020 4:26pm
- cmm
  
  Interesting article.
  
  40k satellites is a lot!
  
  Some bollocks though about GPS “spewing radio interference across the spectrum”. GPS is reasonably narrow band (20MHz). Hardly across the spectrum.
  
  Nobody wants to spew RF because it wastes your signal power. Far better to keep all your transmission inband where it can be used. This is especially true of GPS-like signals which are incredibly weak and are way below the noise floor (ie. much less than the “hiss” you hear on the radio).
  
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  February 8, 2020 10:26am
Fletch

So, presenter Philip Schofield, after 27 years of marriage to his and with grown kids, has announced live on TV that he is gay.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/entertainment/2020/02/former-new-zealand-broadcaster-and-itv-host-and-phillip-schofield-announces-he-is-gay.html

I feel for the whole family, but I hope he doesn’t use this as a license to shack up with some guy. Just because you have a certain desire doesn’t mean it is right or should be acted on. These days it is taken as a given that the mere presence of a desire means that it is right for you and you should follow it.
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February 8, 2020 9:47am
- Scott
  
  Good comments Fletch.
  It is interesting to me, and I heard this from Douglas Murray who is himself gay, that there is a favouritism now in our culture towards homosexuality.
  
  So Schofield who has been married for 27 years to a woman, now decides that his true identity is gay? So was he living a lie for 27 years?
  Or perhaps his true identity is heterosexual and he is now falling for a lie that he is homosexual?
  
  Some men do struggle with homosexual desires. Doesn’t mean that it is true and right to give in to them. Perhaps it is true and right to stick with his marriage to his wife that he freely chose.
  
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  February 8, 2020 10:18am
- John Warren
  
  Forgive my ignorance, but how might he have decided he’s gay? Has he been shagging blokes on the side? Has he found himself turned on by gay porn? Has he fallen in love with a bloke? Has he simply got bored with the same woman after 27 years while finding himself having mild homo-erotic fantasies? How gay actually is he? How did he figure it out?
  
  Please excuse the flippant and/or sceptical tone of my questions. I’m genuinely interested in how this kind of thing unfolds, especially for a man of advancing years with a long (presumably) monogamous marriage behind him.
  
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  February 8, 2020 11:04am
  - curry4me
    
    Such a move would be a great idea for any ‘celebrity’ who might fit the ‘pale, male, and stale’ mould. It’d give their career a boost. And any criticism would be ‘homophobic’.
    
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    February 8, 2020 11:28am
  - hmmm82
    
    You and previous commentators sound as if you believe he has never acted on this and only just discovered this. Human nature tells me different.
    
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    February 8, 2020 12:42pm
    - cmm
      
      Wot, you mean especially while the boning knives are being sharpened in the broadcast companies?
      
      Nobody would really stoop so low to get an advantage would they?
      
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      February 8, 2020 4:29pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’m genuinely interested in how this kind of thing unfolds,
    
    Of my friends and acquaintances that have found themselves in a similar position, they just met a partner and clicked.
    
    My gay female friends had as teenagers & young adults been in heterosexual relationships (one had married, and some years later separated)… one day, both in their 40s met…and they’ve been together ever since (20+ years).
    
    Two other females that I first knew separately, ended up living together, one had previously had boyfriends, the other had always been gay.
    
    A few years into their relationship
    one went off with a male colleague and sometime later the other ended up happily married to a chap she met at a conference.
    
    Perhaps Mr Right/Ms Right just crosses your path & turns it upside down.
    
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    February 8, 2020 1:05pm
    - John Warren
      
      Thank you Maggie – that is the kind of response I was seeking. You
      
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      February 8, 2020 2:29pm
    - cmm
      
      But wimminz are a bit different due to hormonal changes which can, at least, impact on sexual desire and why not also on your preferred type of shagger.
      
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      February 8, 2020 4:31pm
  - mark15
    
    I feel sorry for Gordon the Gopher.
    
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    February 8, 2020 4:46pm
- Ultima
  
  Using gayness (shouldn’t he be identified as bi-sexual?) to dump his family as a really bad excuse. What’s even worse is all his celeb friends are very supportive of it.
  
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  February 8, 2020 11:25am
- Aunty
  
  “Just because you have a certain desire doesn’t mean it is right or should be acted on.”
  
  That’s right, Fletch, he should never have gotten married to a woman in the first place should he? If only he had stayed true to his feelings and nature that God gave him………………..
  
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  February 8, 2020 12:31pm
- Lee C
  
  Frankly I’m shocked.
  
  Shocked that it took him 27 years to work out what I did within about .5 of a second of first seeing him on tv.
  
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  February 8, 2020 12:45pm
rightoverlabour

Some Goodnews around the Corona virus? Let’s hope so….

http://joannenova.com.au/2020/02/coronavirus-hope-first-sign-of-a-slow-down/
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February 8, 2020 9:57am
- Inandout
  
  rightover, heed this first line:
  ‘Assuming that these official statistics from China bear a faint connection to reality (in trend, if not number)’. One does live in hope though.
  
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  February 8, 2020 10:14am
- cmm
  
  Since the Chinese government has undoubtedly been jacking with the stats, any analysis thereof is probably a waste of time.
  
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  February 8, 2020 10:15am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    The only positive at the moment is that it has not exploded in other countries….
    
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    February 8, 2020 10:56am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://tatersgonnatate.com/nancy-pelosi-fined-40k-for-destruction-of-government-property/?fbclid=IwAR1JeSWX1ZAfMKWqUcxTYlCxbpjQTsaW0Lpnr57VFTcj9UV8krKm89QcTfA
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February 8, 2020 10:02am
- cmm
  
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  February 8, 2020 10:07am
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    February 8, 2020 10:59am
  - Stephieboy2
    
    “..has undoubtedly been jacking with the stats,..”
    
    Proof from reputable sources like CDC
    
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    February 8, 2020 11:13am
    - freethinker
      
      Reports from Taiwan with relatives in Wuhan that crematoria are burning 100 bodies a day does suggest that official figures are likely wrong and on the low side.
      
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      February 8, 2020 1:10pm
      - tavita
        
        11 million population, average life 70 years = 160,000 die on average each year or 430 per day.
        
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        February 9, 2020 3:27am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  As if she cares:
  “Nancy would pay millions to make sure that pile of garbage never makes it to the National Archives. The man performed a Medal of Freedom ceremony for a racist, bigoted piece of trash who denigrates people for ratings. The whole thing was full of hyperbole and lies.”
  
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  February 8, 2020 10:14am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Hey mike, it is satire. Ssshhhhh
    
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    February 8, 2020 10:41am
    - Lee C
      
      Yes the masterstroke of this satire was that mike didn’t bat an eyelid at the notion that Nancy the Democrat-and -champion-of-the-oppressed=Pelosi wouldn’t be able to lay her hands on millions of dollars at the drop of a hat.
      
      Must be hard down at the soup kitchen after a hard day nutting out some actual policy to take to the electorate.
      
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      February 8, 2020 12:48pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Funny, Milky, that you choose a quote containing the word ‘denigrates’. Look it up.
    
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    February 8, 2020 11:27am
  - Garbageman
    
    Poor old Mike on KB like a Delhi belly baby without nappies
    
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    February 8, 2020 11:47am
    - sam green
      
      Yes – everyone else here is so erudite and eloquent.
      
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      February 8, 2020 12:26pm
      - Lee C
        
        For you baby – I could be…
        
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        February 8, 2020 12:49pm
      - Garbageman
        
        Hi Sam remind us again about the lovely words you had to say about KB DPF & their contributors on no-ones favorite site The Standard quite the nasty wee chap arnt you yet you expect us to follow some mythical guidelines that only left wing mongs can see or identify with as it suits their particular cause
        
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        February 8, 2020 1:44pm
      - sam green
        
        I expect nothing of you Garbageman.
        
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        February 8, 2020 2:45pm
      - sam green
        
        However – you must feel so used …
        
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        February 8, 2020 3:01pm
- cmm
  
  40k? That’s about 5 ballpoint pens!
  
  The sooner they roll that old soak the sooner they can really start to move USA ahead.
  
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  February 8, 2020 10:16am
MrTips

Apropos Cindy and co trying to merge RNZ and TVNZ, check out what her mate SoyBoy in CUnADa wants to do: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/trudeau-called-most-dangerous-man-in-canadian-political-history-for-plan-to-regulate-online-news
It’s not a hard stretch to believe Cindy wants the same regulation down the line to make Pravda here. She’s already virtue signalled it re FB and Googs.

Trudeau is a complete, corrupt tool.
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February 8, 2020 10:10am
- RightNow
  
  This is the time to invest in VPN companies…
  
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  February 8, 2020 11:11am
- freethinker
  
  [Deleted-mod: Freethinker, here’s no allowance for violence here, sorry, even in jest.]
  
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  February 8, 2020 1:14pm
Inandout

It was suggested by a radio host yesterday that Yoof Radio will become an outlet for climate emergency propaganda, interspersed with yoof music. Sadly for the CoL, very few modern kids listen to state radio; unless of course it is piped into school speaker systems.
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February 8, 2020 10:11am
- Stephieboy2
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Inandout , is that a fact/factoid?
  
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  February 8, 2020 11:12am
- Sacha
  
  “unless of course it is piped into school speaker systems”
  
  Don’t joke.
  
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  February 8, 2020 1:07pm
KevO'Brien

The climate change march to population control:
https://newrightnetwork.com/2020/02/climate-change-un-control.html/
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February 8, 2020 10:16am
- Stephieboy2
  
  KevO’Brien , another variation on the John Birch Society drivel the UN infiltrated by Commies for world contol and domination!,
  
  https://thinkprogress.org/how-one-conspiracy-theory-group-pushes-anti-u-n-legislation-around-the-country-dab4b5194dd8/
  
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  February 8, 2020 11:09am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Where you have power you have corruption waiting on the sidelines. Do you think that the UN would not be a prize takeover by those who have more loot than most nation states?
    
    John Birch? Is he the ones the trees are named after?
    
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    February 8, 2020 1:44pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Stuffy, I grew up in Europe and the message was already strong in the 70s and 80s: the world is vastly overpopulated and we’re in the cold war). Everything looked bad, and many people made their decision accordingly: no kids.
  
  You’re downplaying what MSM and state propaganda can do to people.
  
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  February 8, 2020 11:31am
  - Sacha
    
    Yes, and the wrong ones are childless. But the message never gets through to the ones who aren’t listening/interested.
    
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    February 8, 2020 1:08pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Everybody gets a prize.
https://babylonbee.com/news/mitch-mcconnell-sends-pelosi-shirt-reading-i-impeached-the-president-and-all-i-got-was-this-lousy-t-shirt?fbclid=IwAR1e1f7HX20yT6JfSKhdjrN5Yy-qxLJXvUa4v6KjhVBIsmljL_Hpm5c8tBo
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February 8, 2020 10:22am
- curry4me
  
  Good of him to rub her nose in it.
  
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  February 8, 2020 11:34am
- Colville
  
  Pelosi will also get an increased Trump majority for her efforts.
  
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  February 8, 2020 1:05pm
JibberJabber

Greta Thunderturd, helping make your winters warmer…
https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=C8how_1581102458
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February 8, 2020 10:30am
- Garbageman
  
  They are called rednecks deplorables & worse but why do they always seem to be having the most fun must be what happens when you stop crying in your basement about Trump & go & enjoy life + their ladies are usually smokin hot
  
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  February 8, 2020 11:42am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Most people will drive around a hole (me) Then some dive in and spend 2 hours getting out. Why should I get all dirty? Then again I just have a plastic guarded Prado with a Chinese bullbar. Oh and a towbar on the front – you guess why
    
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    February 8, 2020 4:55pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP5bA4b5MBw

Merkel PANICS as Nationalist AfD RISES as KINGMAKER in Thuringia!!! I guess tanks and jack boots are out of the question as a solution. She’s likely just delaying the inevitable.
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February 8, 2020 10:57am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Every article claims AfD is ‘far right’, and compares them to the Nazis. It’s libelous. AfD want a sensible immigration policy instead of open borders. They dare notice that Islamism does not gel beautifully with all human rights values, women’s rights, gay rights. Is has not escaped them that many extremely violent attacks in Europe over the last years have been made by Islamic terrorists.
  
  That, in Europe, is now ‘far right’. Let me repeat that: criticizing an ideology that is *against* women’s rights and gay rights is now ‘far right’!
  
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  February 8, 2020 3:44pm
curry4me

NPC media less than pleased about President Trumps acquittal. Conservatives etc are no longer afraid of the NPC media.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=052_KlrizwU
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February 8, 2020 10:57am
curry4me

President Trump takes a swipe at Pierre Delecto; aka Mitt Romney.
https://www.redstate.com/diary/clint-fargeau/2020/02/06/it-begins-president-trump-tweets-mitt-romney-attack-ad/
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February 8, 2020 10:58am
Stephieboy2

Thinking of the outrage directed at Mill Romney vs Donald Trump,

“The men the American people admire most extravagantly are the most daring liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth.”

H.L. Mencken
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February 8, 2020 11:04am
- rangitoto
  
  Who is Mill Romney?
  
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  February 8, 2020 11:22am
  - stigie
    
    The same as….. Who is John Keys ?
    
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    February 8, 2020 11:32am
  - Stephieboy2
    
    Mitt Romney!
    
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    February 8, 2020 11:37am
  - Inandout
    
    rangi, Run of the mill apparently.
    
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    February 8, 2020 12:20pm
- Miritu
  
  …the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth.”
  Which is why the Establishment hate Trump so much
  
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  February 8, 2020 11:36am
Garbageman

https://twitter.com/MarkoOhNo/status/1225881005602394112/photo/1
What me troll KB……never
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February 8, 2020 11:36am
Prince

Nice article about Gordon McLaughlin. I doubt Gordon would have been a regular reader of Kiwiblog, but I recall his ‘Weekend’ tellie program in the 1990’s as an oasis in the desert of infotainment programs.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/119274332/prolific-writer-dissector-of-our-psyche-and-foibles
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February 8, 2020 12:20pm
- Inandout
  
  Prince, I think he syndicated to minor NZ give away papers. His articles were so left wing and defending of Labour it was a waste of time reading them.
  
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  February 8, 2020 3:12pm
  - Prince
    
    Wasn’t that Gordon Campbell ?
    In any case McLaughlin was a leftie, but not ‘Labour no matter what’.
    
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    February 8, 2020 3:22pm
    - Inandout
      
      Prince, you are so right, it is Campbell.
      
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      February 8, 2020 6:02pm
pb

Lt Vindman (the “you will call me by my preferred pronoun”) has just been frog marched out of the whitehouse. Getting closer to unveiling Eric Ciaram3lla, Obama, Clapper, Biden and their sniper assault which precipitated the Ukrainian collapse and looting.
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February 8, 2020 12:27pm
hmmm82

Get your plant and equipment from China. No worries.
https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=uq2NI_1580487669
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February 8, 2020 1:01pm
Batman

The president is so innocent he fired everyone who told the truth.

The president is so innocent no one was allowed to testify at his trial.

The president was so innocent he had to threaten all his jurors.

Yep, he’s definitely innocent. Though I’m sure the Magettes will all say they’re actually lying traitors who conspired in a grand scheme of Dems and Trump donors / employees ??
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February 8, 2020 1:14pm
- Garbageman
  
  Battys baiting again whos going to take the lure probably most of KB cheeky sod
  
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  February 8, 2020 1:49pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Won’t be me
    
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    February 8, 2020 2:37pm
    - Tall Man
      
      I’ll have a crack Nigel 😉
      
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      February 8, 2020 5:43pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    Happy to leave Batty in his safe space with his lies and delusions.
    
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    February 8, 2020 6:52pm
- Tall Man
  
  Sorry batman, you’ve confused me with someone who gives a fuck.
  
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  February 8, 2020 5:43pm
freethinker

[Deleted-mod: Freethinker, here’s no allowance for violence here, sorry, even in jest. This is the second time you have posted the same comment. Please don’t]
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February 8, 2020 1:23pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Violence is a broad concept. I don’t beat my kids and don’t accept physical violence outside self defence. As a Christian I see too much violence in the world and not enough tolerance.
  
  Violence is both rapid and forceful in application. Torture is the slow form. What about “violence” to principles and livelihoods through misapplied politics? Cancelling Taranaki development is the political form which may be very harmful to many.
  Violence may be inferred in jest but that is in the mind of the reader and may be indirectly illustrative of a bad situation not of an actual physical kind.
  
  We need to be careful that we don’t go down the pussy track where nothing is acceptable because someone might be “offended”, bruised within their inner selves so that their toe nails cease growing.
  Loss of freedom of thought or its expression is the gateway to tyranny. There is always someone out their with a bigger mouthpiece waiting their opportunity at your expense.
  
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  February 8, 2020 2:04pm
  - Harriet
    
    Agreed.
    
    There is nothing wrong with violence – as long as it is legal. The police and army are violent. Sometimes the public are legally violent also – helping someone from being beaten further for example. Violence solves problems; Nuking Japan is seen as being responsible, while leveling Dresden is seen as being a little over the top.
    
    Police can shoot someone at the first opportunity if they have a knife waved at them and are in a confined space. Wave a knife around 10 feet away in an open space and they won’t shoot you. There are good reasons to be violent and good reasons not to be.
    
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    February 8, 2020 2:47pm
    - Tall Man
      
      That’s very deep Harriet.
      
      Not sure I’d trust the plod bit though….
      
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      February 8, 2020 5:40pm
    - DigNap15
      
      Levelling Dresden was payback, they should have done a city a week till Germany surrendered.
      
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      February 8, 2020 7:53pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Coronavirus infection and deaths still increasing
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

35,000 cases
724 deaths
7 Feb figures.
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February 8, 2020 2:16pm
- DeepBlue
  
  There is no hope of this virus being controlled forever, especially as well people can be carriers. The best that can be achieved is to delay sufficiently so it can be included in the winter flu vaccines so resistance can be achieved in the broader population. I doubt this will happen for the southern hemisphere vaccines for 2020 which would be under manufacture already.
  
  It’s been reported older people are more vulnerable and children less so. That would make it the ideal Baby Boomer population control, which is very, very scary.
  
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  February 8, 2020 2:56pm
  - SPC
    
    Yup they are planning for a field trial of a vaccine (but not before mid year) and a larger trial (both in China) by the end of the year – so there might be one available for medical staff early next year, then those vulnerable, then as part of 2021 winter flu shot down under.
    
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    February 8, 2020 4:09pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  BBC news is currently showing images of Quarantine Squads in Wuhan dragging people out of their apartments into vehicles.
  
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  February 8, 2020 3:18pm
  - Stephieboy2
    
    Do you mean this?
    
    “Coronavirus: how quarantine has fought disease through the ages”
    
    “Quarantine has long been used to prevent the spread of diseases.
    The term itself comes from the first known example of the isolation method.
    As the Black Death raged through Europe in the 14th century, Venice enforced a rule where ships had to anchor for 40 days before crew and passengers were allowed to come ashore. The waiting period was named “quarantino”, which derives from the Italian for 40….”
    
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51308542
    
    Or. Fake news ?
    
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    February 8, 2020 4:55pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      No, I did not mean something published in January.
      
      I very clearly stated that it was a clip currently showing on BBC news.
      
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      February 8, 2020 5:40pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Authorities in Wuhan city have started going door to door checking temperatures, and rounding up suspected coronavirus patients for forcible quarantine in stadiums and exhibition centres that are serving as warehouses for the sick,
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/07/wuhan-facing-wartime-conditions-as-china-tries-to-contain-coronavirus
    
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    February 8, 2020 5:02pm
    - Stephieboy2
      
      Hardly Quarantine Squads nor did the story originate from ” BBC. Images” More an attempt by the authorities recognizing the seriousness and urgency of the situation with ” wartime” imagery
      
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      February 8, 2020 5:18pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Forcible quarantine…
        Squads of officials going house to house.
        
        Watch the news.
        
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        February 8, 2020 5:44pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I am currently watching BBC World News… the interviewer of Steve McDonnell in Beijing is referring to “Quarantine Squads”.
        
        I really can’t see why you need to query everything I write here, stephieboy.
        
        I’m not in the habit of lying.
        
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        February 8, 2020 7:23pm
    - SPC
      
      The symptoms are the same as the flu, so they are going to quarantine those with the flu with those with coronavirus – that is so insane. They will be infecting people with a mild illness with one that might kill them.
      
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      February 8, 2020 6:13pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Yep,
        nearly as bad as finding yourself on a cruise-liner under quarantine…. all confined in a nice little incubator.
        
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        February 8, 2020 7:47pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stress Management Technique.

This is unbelievable and will make you smile. In case you are having a
rough day, here’s a stress management technique that has been
recommended in all the latest psychological journals. The funny thing is that it
really does work and will make you smile:

1. Picture yourself lying on your belly on a warm rock that hangs out
over a crystal clear stream.

2. Picture yourself with both your hands in the cool running water.

3. Birds are sweetly singing in the cool mountain air.

4. No one knows your secret place.

5. You are in total seclusion from that hectic place called the World.

6. The soothing sound of a gentle waterfall fills the air with a
cascade of serenity.

7. The water is so clear you can make out the face of the Greens
Voter you are holding underwater.

See, it worked.

You’re smiling

You feel better already.

Have a great day!!
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February 8, 2020 2:39pm
- kevn
  
  @Steve… Works better for me with a green MP. Bit hard handling with all the slime but…
  
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  February 8, 2020 5:51pm
- Fletch
  
  Picture yourself in a boat on a river
  With tangerine trees and marmalade skies
  Somebody calls you, you answer quite slowly
  A girl with kaleidoscope eyes.
  
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  February 8, 2020 9:48pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Kris Faa’foi has gone List for the forth-coming election
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/409092/labour-mp-for-mana-kris-faafoi-says-he-will-run-as-a-list-candidate-at-this-year-s-election
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February 8, 2020 3:23pm
- greybeard
  
  Being an Electorate MP has a severe impact on the time needed to EAT.
  
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  February 8, 2020 5:08pm
  - kevn
    
    @grey… I noticed as well, certainly a Billy Bunter look.
    
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    February 8, 2020 5:50pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Hope he has a high list spot otherwise he will be out of a job
  
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  February 8, 2020 5:09pm
- Tall Man
  
  Showing contempt for his electorate.
  
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  February 8, 2020 5:36pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’m not so sure… I think he’s being pushed aside – safe seat for someone better connected.
    
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    February 8, 2020 6:12pm
    - sooty
      
      What’s he done that was good or worked?
      
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      February 8, 2020 7:01pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Chris may have discovered that MP’s are the highest paid social workers in the land.
  
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  February 8, 2020 6:53pm
- Ian Boag
  
  Him and Paula Bennett both ..
  
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  February 8, 2020 7:41pm
rightoverlabour

Hey, calling all Climate Alarmists

Read this, https://culturalanalysis.net/2019/01/14/the-zeller-nikolov-climate-controversy/

the rest of the sensible folks get the popcorn ready! CO2 may have zilch, nothing, fuck all, to do with temperature ( or maybe just a tiny wee bit)…
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February 8, 2020 3:42pm
- Stephieboy2
  
  What the science says..
  
  An enhanced greenhouse effect from CO2 has been confirmed by multiple lines of empirical evidence.
  
  Climate Myth…
  
  Increasing CO2 has little to no effect
  
  “While major green house gas H2O substantially warms the Earth, minor green house gases such as CO2 have little effect…. The 6-fold increase in hydrocarbon use since 1940 has had no noticeable effect on atmospheric temperature … ” (Environmental Effects of Increased Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide)
  
  Predicting the Future
  
  “ Good scientific theories are said to have ‘predictive power’. In other words, armed only with a theory, we should be able to make predictions about a subject. If the theory’s any good, the predictions will come true.
  
  Here’s an example: when the Table of Elements was proposed, many elements were yet to be discovered. Using the theory behind the Periodic Table, the Russian chemist Dmitri Mendeleev was able to predict the properties of germanium, gallium and scandium, despite the fact they hadn’t been discovered.
  
  The effect of adding man-made CO2 is predicted in the theory of greenhouse gases. This theory was first proposed by Swedish scientist Svante Arrhenius in 1896, based on earlier work by Fourier and Tyndall. Many scientist have refined the theory in the last century. Nearly all have reached the same conclusion: if we increase the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, the Earth will warm up.
  
  What they don’t agree on is by how much. This issue is called ‘climate sensitivity’, the amount the temperatures will increase if CO2 is doubled from pre-industrial levels. Climate models have predicted the least temperature rise would be on average 1.65°C (2.97°F) , but upper estimates vary a lot, averaging 5.2°C (9.36°F). Current best estimates are for a rise of around 3°C (5.4°F), with a likely maximum of 4.5°C (8…..”
  
  https://skepticalscience.com/empirical-evidence-for-co2-enhanced-greenhouse-effect.htm
  
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  February 8, 2020 5:10pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    And I suppose this man didn’t do science?
    
    Feynmann – Look him up.
    
    https://principia-scientific.org/physicist-richard-feynman-discredits-greenhouse-gas-theory/
    
    I would rather follow Feynmann than the Alarmists at that site. Where that site is useful is if you read the comments below their “debunking of the myths”.
    
    However, feel free to live in your alarmist cloud cuckoo land… Greta might come and give you a hug.
    
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    February 8, 2020 5:52pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I’ve read that ‘Feynman says’ point a couple of times here now. It’s not the argument you are looking for.
      
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      February 8, 2020 6:45pm
    - Stephieboy2
      
      rightover labour, and you live in your denialist conspiracy theory land ,
      
      Q & A at the ABC ,
      
      “Physicist Brian Cox dropped the mic on One Nation climate denier”
      
      What happened when British physicist Brian Cox went head-to-head with One Nation climate change denier Malcolm Roberts? A televised showdown on the ABC’s Q&A program that set Twitter alight.
      
      The newly elected senator from Pauline Hanson’s One Nation party, who graduated from the University of Queensland with honours as an engineer and has worked in the coal mining industry, has consistently questioned the existence of human-induced climate change, and has called for a Royal Commission into climate science.
      
      We’ve had a pause in this so-called warming for 21 years, it depends how you measure it, 21 years, and I’m absolutely stunned that someone who is inspired by Richard Feynman, a fantastic scientist who believes in empirical evidence, is quoting concensus,” said Roberts.
      
      “Can I just say, I brought the graph,” replies Cox, debunking the myth and prompting a round of applause from the Q&A audience.
      
      Cox presented another graph showing CO2 emissions, but faced with evidence that contradicted his claims, Roberts moved the goalpost and announced the data had been manipulated.
      
      “The data has been corrupted…manipulated,” Roberts said.
      “By who?” Cox asked.
      
      “NASA,” replied Roberts, claiming the figures of the US space agency had been changed and had originally shown the world was warmer in the 1930s.
      
      At which point Cox asked Roberts whether he believed NASA had actually landed men on the moon.
      
      While Cox eventually realised, “I could sit here and read out figures until I’m blue in the face” to Roberts, Twitters users were quick to respond to Roberts’ climate change denials and conspiracy theories….”
      
      https://www.sbs.com.au/topics/science/earth/article/2016/08/16/physicist-brian-cox-dropped-mic-one-nation-climate-denier
      
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      February 8, 2020 7:18pm
      - hmmm82
        
        Name calling always works when your argument is broke.
        ‘…denialist…’
        (sarc.)
        
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        February 9, 2020 9:23pm
  - kevn
    
    @septic… The downtick king. Why not start your own blog? Spare us.
    
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    February 8, 2020 5:52pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Please explain how the CO2 gas concentration lags the temperature.
    Did you know that elements are now being formed out of light and quantum physics is under a cloud.
    
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    February 8, 2020 6:51pm
    - Stephieboy2
      
      KevO’Brien, exapnd on that which to me is merely pseudo scienctific gobbledygook!
      
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      February 8, 2020 7:21pm
- cmm
  
  I am 100% convinced that CO2 can have a massive impact on an atmosphere – for example Mars and Venus where it is way over 90%.
  
  But 400ppm is less than half a part per thousand. Less than half a teaspoon in a standard 9 litre bucket.
  
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  February 8, 2020 6:04pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Mars has about 95% CO2 and has a temp of about -80Deg C. Venus is mostly about atmospheric pressure. I actually agree that CO2 does have an effect in that changes the height at which IR is lost to space, but it does not have the affect the Alarmists claim. It also affects the way H2O absorbs and re- radiates heat. Else it would have been much hotter when it was 8000 ppm 540 mil years ago, and the temp was almost the same then as present. Patrick Moore has some good stuff on this on Youtube
    
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    February 8, 2020 6:26pm
  - Stephieboy2
    
    cmm, try this:
    
    Climate myths: Human CO2 emissions are too tiny to matter,
    
    Ice cores show that carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere have remained between 180 and 300 parts per million for the past half-a-million years. In recent centuries, however, CO2 levels have risen sharply, to at least 380 ppm (see Greenhouse gases hit new high)
    
    So what’s going on? It is true that human emissions of CO2 are small compared with natural sources. But the fact that CO2 levels have remained steady until very recently shows that natural emissions are usually balanced by natural absorptions. Now slightly more CO2 must be entering the atmosphere than is being soaked up by carbon “sinks”.
    
    The consumption of terrestrial vegetation by animals and by microbes (rotting, in other words) emits about 220 gigatonnes of CO2 every year, while respiration by vegetation emits another 220 Gt. These huge amounts are balanced by the 440 Gt of carbon dioxide absorbed from the atmosphere each year as land plants photosynthesise.
    
    Similarly, parts of the oceans release about 330 Gt of CO2 per year, depending on temperature and rates of photosynthesis by phytoplankton, but other parts usually soak up just as much – and are now soaking up slightly more…..”
    
    Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11638-climate-myths-human-co2-emissions-are-too-tiny-to-matter/#ixzz6DLEGY9Mb…”
    
    Read more:
    
    https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11638-climate-myths-human-co2-emissions-are-too-tiny-to-matter/#ixzz6DLDiRVn9
    
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    February 8, 2020 7:29pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      So you don’t seem to understand or acknowledge that the last half a million years (although that sounds like a big number) is actually a blip in geological time when for most of the last 540 million years CO2 levels have been way higher up to 8000ppm. That is significantly higher than the mere 400 ppm at the moment which is also only about 200 ppm higher than the exinction level for green plants. And temperatures during these much higher concentrations were basically the same as the present as the main control on temperature is pressure. So doubling or tripling CO2 at the moment will only make green plants happier, and the temperature will hardly change.
      
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      February 8, 2020 9:28pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    That is another reason why alarmists have this all wrong 70% of the so called Greenhouse affect is through H2O. CO2 if one accepts the current GHG theory is about 30%. CO2 is in any way saturated at the 15micron band and the only way it will increase temp is in the “wings” and that is on a diminishing logarithmic scale. Even many alarmists accept this. Lets assume CO2 will increase Temp. It will be about 0.06deg per decade, and the increased forcing will probably be nullified by other factors such as cloudiness or increased absorption by plants. No one really knows. But if temperatures 540 mil years ago with concentrations of 8000ppm were ok, we can put a whole lot of CO2 into the atmosphere with no real effect
    
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    February 8, 2020 9:43pm
Swifty

If of interest, for everyone but especially new’ish NZers:

1975 Leaders debate with Slane, Dryden and Beatson interviewing Muldoon and Rowling:

https://www.nzonscreen.com/title/1975-leaders-debate-1975/credits

1976 PM interview with Dryden interviewing Muldoon:

https://www.nzonscreen.com/title/friday-conference-robert-muldoon-1976/overview

An interesting comparison to the style and depth of interviewing performed nowadays.
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February 8, 2020 4:08pm
- Tall Man
  
  These days all the questions are pre-approved and anything that is too tough is deleted, especially for ardern.
  
  The media are more concerned with kiddy pics than a serious look at political performance.
  
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  February 8, 2020 5:34pm
Stephieboy2

Vindman Fired For Telling The Truth
If you aren’t willing to commit perjury to defend Trump — you’re fired.

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=acvnS_1581125949

“The Truth has been replaced by silence and that silence is a lie “

Yevgeny Yevtushenko
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February 8, 2020 4:49pm
- Ed Snack
  
  Yet Vindaman perjured himself before Congress, illegally leaked the call to his mate Ciamarella, and disobeyed orders from his chain of command.A very well deserved sacking, should also be court marshalled for those offences.
  
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  February 8, 2020 6:58pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    None of those things are true.
    And what crimes do you think his twin brother committed?
    
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    February 8, 2020 9:15pm
- DigNap15
  
  He is lucky he was not shot for being a traitor!
  
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  February 8, 2020 7:50pm
Swifty

Another gem from the vaults.

David Frost interviewing ‘Gentleman Jack’ Marshall and ‘Big Norm’ Kirk, 1973:

https://www.nzonscreen.com/title/frost-over-new-zealand-the-leaders-1973/comments
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February 8, 2020 4:50pm
Sydney Alvarado

I was reading this morning about historic weather events in Europe. There was a wind and rain event in the Netherlands in the 1700s that killed 36,000 people. So much for Greta saying we are all going to die. We have never been safer from the climate than today.

And right on cue it starts pouring rain in Australia. ?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-07/bom-forecast-heavy-rain–and-flooding-for-sydney-and-nsw-coast/11935642
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February 8, 2020 4:51pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Sydney
  
  The UK had THE GREAT STORM about that time and the British Fleet was pushed up the Channel and well into the N Sea before the storm abated.
  
  In 1952 0r may have been 53 there was a huge storm and most of the Low Countries and East Anglia were flooded.
  
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  February 8, 2020 7:25pm
greybeard

Any cricket match ( T20, one-day or test ) involving India must be viewed with a great deal of suspicion.
The first 50-over game was won by NZ, who achieved a record chasing score far beyond their recent performances.
This 2nd game tonight is much more representative of the 2 teams.
I reckon the whole thing is just a betting setup for rich Indians. With a payoff for whoever they play.
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February 8, 2020 5:50pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  I don’t think so. Match fixing is very unlikely. Spot fixing is more plausible, but still not very likely.
  
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  February 8, 2020 6:49pm
- Sydney Alvarado
  
  Yeah I call bullshit on your hypothesis.
  
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  February 8, 2020 8:06pm
DigNap15

Yes I remember years ago when we beat Pakistan there was mass hysteria here in NZ.
But then years ago it was found that the Paki’s had thrown the game!
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February 8, 2020 7:48pm
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND … Can you believe this ? …

Coronavirus: Kiwi passenger gobsmacked over lack of checks entering NZ … Nikki Preston … New Zealand Herald

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12307128

A family who cut short their holiday in China after fearing for their safety because of coronavirus are gobsmacked by the low level of response at Auckland Airport on their arrival.

Aucklander Leah Robertson landed in New Zealand last Tuesday with her husband, a Chinese national, and their 4-year-old daughter. …

… “In China everything is very obvious. They are pointing it [thermo imaging cameras] and someone is sitting there and you will get grabbed if you don’t meet the requirements.

“But coming into New Zealand there was nothing. For me it was just like we got off a plane and walked through and no one really seemed that concerned.

She said ground staff seemed to be more concerned about the food they were bringing into the country.

“I thought: ‘New Zealand – what are you doing?’ It’s probably here and just hasn’t been reported. That’s my feeling.” … read more via hyperlink above …
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