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CORONAVIRUS ENTRY BANS … NOW INCLUDE USA AND AUSTRALIA …

Coronavirus: US and Australia close borders to Chinese arrivals … BBC

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51338899

United States, Australia and Japan expand travel restrictions. … New York Times

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/01/world/asia/coronavirus-china.html
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February 2, 2020 8:03am
- Jack5
  
  Hugh, you missed these red-hot coronavirus items on Stuff today:
  
  1. The Chinese Ambassador to New Zealand praises the response of China to the coronavirus outbreak.
  
  2. Because of the disease, a Christchurch man may change his mind about going to China for a year to teach English.
  
  Obviously a very quiet day in the Stuff newsroom.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/119206613/no-suspected-coronavirus-in-new-zealand-ministry-of-health-announce
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel-troubles/119210050/coronavirus-kiwi-mulls-cancelling-move-to-china-amid-outbreak-flight-cancellations
  
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  February 2, 2020 8:36am
  - surfing
    
    Thankfully we have you to report the news.
    
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    February 2, 2020 10:02am
- kevn
  
  @hoo… This is just doing a ‘septic boy’ repeating session.
  Stick to housing frighteners.
  
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  February 2, 2020 9:01am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Let me clarify this statement, US and Australia close borders to all non citizens that have visited China.
  The ban as I read it is on all world citizens, not just Chinese.
  Singapore acted very quickly, as I remember they did 2003, they had eight die from contact in a food market.
  The big difference I see between 2003 and now, the Chinese tourist numbers travelling abroad were around 20 million, now over 150 million.
  Aircraft have changed dramatically and long haul direct flights are now the normal.
  It appears to me a very reasoned response.
  I did two weeks of isolation in 2003 after arriving home from 2 weeks in China as did our Tour Doctor. Glady did this as my wife was a nurse.
  It is impossible to stop the spread of this by putting people together on an aircraft for hours on end. Mind you, the flight I came out of Singapore on in 2003, had just 4 passengers in economy class, the odds of catching it were very slim.
  It doesn’t appear as bad as Sars in 2003, but it is early days.
  Wuhan is a major tourist hub for 3 gorges cruise, many foreigners could and may have been exposed. Chongqing the other key port has over 30 million people.
  WHO have called this wrong, isolation is paramount. Bit like the measles outbreak, ended up killing many through slow response.
  5,600 were infected in Samoa and 81 died. This had severe travel bans and schools closing, but was called way to late. Swift response is essential.
  
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  February 2, 2020 9:04am
  - NoCash
    
    Exactly, we should have closed the border like others.
    
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    February 2, 2020 1:46pm
- Fletch
  
  Not sure why we don’t do the same. We are far too easy going as a nation… Oh, she’ll be right… ?
  
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  February 2, 2020 12:40pm
chaos

So if we take into consideration that the pm only goes twice a week, this means the opposition will only be able to question her 24 times in the house before the election. Less if she is away on any of those days.

* Parliament returns from this month. After coming back on February 11, the House will sit for just 36 more days before rising and being dissolved for the General Election.

That’s not a lot of time, in the scheme of things, to make a pitch to voters who will head to the polls on September 19.*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/119199029/as-jacinda-ardern-heads-to-waitangi-labour-ponders-reelection-in-2020
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February 2, 2020 8:04am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Pffft, even if she is available to answer questions 24 X 7, the useless opposition cannot land a single blow on the Goddess of NZ. She has the backing of Mallard and Winston First to defend her. Move on bro.
  
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  February 2, 2020 9:18am
- freethinker
  
  Answer is easy – every question from National & Act is to the PM until the election.
  
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  February 2, 2020 9:20am
  - rockape
    
    That will realy piss Winston off. he needs his publicity as much as he needs his whisky.
    
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    February 2, 2020 9:56am
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      That’s what patsies are for, isn’t it?
      
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      February 2, 2020 10:21am
      - sooty
        
        I always thought they were to cover up womans nipples!
        
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        February 2, 2020 12:52pm
artemisia

Article in Stuff today about older people unable to find work and struggling financially. The article says Stuff spoke to dozens of people and their stories were similar – an unexpected redundancy. The headline suggests employers are ageist –

How employers are freezing the over 50s out of the job market

But there is little or nothing in the article about the Why or actually even the How. Applicants who ask why they have been rejected receive anodyne responses – well why would an employer say why they have discriminated and open up a discussion they are not interested in having. And their decision is not necessarily for one of the illegal reasons such as age, employment status.

We hear all the time that employers are desperate for workers, and let’s face it most working age people that are able to work are in fact working, older or not. Blaming an employer for ageism on the basis of a few folk interviewed is drawing a long bow.

And a thought about the supposed common theme of unexpected redundancy. Can happen, obviously, especially when businesses close, downsize or relocate, but anyone who has worked in large corporates is well aware that restructuring is usually the only way to move on some staff.

Sure, tough and depressing to live on a benefit, but it is noticeable that there was no mention of those interviewing receiving an Accommodation Supplement (AS) or Temporary Additional Support (TAS), although other income is detailed. Taxpayer subsidies both. That is either a journalist not asking, not reporting, or the information not offered, or the person interviewed is living in social housing so not eligible for AS.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/119159518/i-cant-survive-over-45s-struggling-to-make-ends-meet-ahead-of-retirement
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February 2, 2020 8:04am
- MT_Tinman
  
  I also found the headline (and sub-heading) strange.
  
  I’m an old fart.
  
  Since I decided to close my business 15 months ago I have applied for three (part time/casual) jobs, was offered all three and accepted the one that I preferred.
  
  One can only assume the people struggling are bone idle lazy or stupid.
  
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  February 2, 2020 8:16am
  - igm
    
    We still prefer older people . . . they don’t have innumerable grandparents passing away, the kids are never sick, they are always punctual, are never financially embarrassed the night after being paid, and are invariably industrious and affable.
    
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    February 2, 2020 8:39am
    - Harriet
      
      They also don’t have a tendency to leave at the first opportunity – to earn just $1 or $2 more per hour. — Albeit I can’t blame anyone for doing that, be prepared to work hard at any job, and then change your job every 6 months for $1 or more an hour would be one of the better investments a young person makes – and besides loyalty no longer pays in most businesses these days , you are expected to do it all for free – largely via txts and phone calls.
      
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      February 2, 2020 9:09am
      - rouppe
        
        There is definitely no loyalty. I’ve been made redundant twice. Once after 15 years service, the other after 13.
        
        Both times were clearly targeted at the longer serving staff
        
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        February 2, 2020 9:30am
      - info@cruzpro.com
        
        Would you want to hire someone whose CV showed that they had a different job every 6 months? Unless they could come up with a really good reason, I wouldn’t. It takes time for someone to learn a job, time during which they cost money but are usually not very productive.
        
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        February 2, 2020 12:55pm
    - surfing
      
      Doing what?
      
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      February 2, 2020 10:03am
  - Harriet
    
    Some just don’t have the connections to jump or go around application queues, they have factory or other jobs, and now have almost no relevance at job interviews.
    
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    February 2, 2020 8:54am
  - IC5000
    
    > One can only assume the people struggling are bone idle lazy or stupid
    
    One would assume that if one was a complete cretin who thinks that everyone has exactly the same experiences and life or was a liar.
    
    This statement only needs to be disproven by one counter example for you to be proven a cretin or liar.
    
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    February 2, 2020 8:56am
  - MCos
    
    The line I was in was always directly effected by the world economy.
    Subsequently over in Thailand the lawn mower would be put through the ex pats and a few times your correspondent was disposed of.
    The last time I was 64. I rang around, but it was obvious I wasn’t going to find the sort of work I wanted.
    I’d rather be bone idle lazy than count screws into little plastic bags at Bunnings. That’s not my gig.
    
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    February 2, 2020 9:04am
    - rouppe
      
      64 is doable. Try 57.
      
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      February 2, 2020 9:32am
      - fernglas
        
        Tried it. Liked it. Still liking it.
        
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        February 2, 2020 10:33am
- freethinker
  
  And that situation will become the thin edge of a very fat wedge in the not too distant future.
  
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  February 2, 2020 9:23am
- rouppe
  
  After being made redundant, there is usually a bit of money in the bank.
  
  While not assessed as income, it is assessed as an asset, and excludes you from those supplements until you have used it up.
  
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  February 2, 2020 9:28am
  - MT_Tinman
    
    Having been made redundant twice in a year (both times in November) in my fourties I found that getting a bloody job was more beneficial than “supplements”.
    
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    February 2, 2020 11:55am
- brett68
  
  Computer illiteracy
  Inability to learn or adapt
  Set in their ways
  Inflexible
  Perceived sexist and racist attitudes.
  Lack of respect for a younger boss.
  
  This is certainly not everyone over 50, but this is the perception of a lot of businesses and are the reasons why older people struggle to get work
  
  The OK Boomer meme won’t help either.
  
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  February 2, 2020 9:49am
  - surfing
    
    Ageism in IT — especially relevant.
    
    Once you’re over 40 in IT, you should hang on to your job. It could be very difficult to get another.
    
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    February 2, 2020 10:06am
    - NoCash
      
      Not necessarily, I changed my IT job at 41 from working for a vendor to an in house role, and much better pay.
      
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      February 2, 2020 1:52pm
- KH
  
  There are plenty of people who struggle to get a job and they want one. Sure they might not be the cream, but they will always exist and it’s better to have them working than on benefits and poor.
  So cut the immigration flow so the New Zealanders are sought after and employers have to hustle to keep position filled.
  Harder for employers true, but better for us all.
  
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  February 2, 2020 10:27am
  - Harriet
    
    You are spot on there. And for every person on the dole several more are employed by government, over a generation that is, just look at the services now provided via government DUE to unemployment!!
    And it could also be said that employers paying huge taxes, only to have it paid back to their staff via WFF payments, is an indication that wages are too low – as WFF is only paid to couples who can’t provide an income between them to house their own family – and that is most families – most of the work force!!!
    
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    February 2, 2020 11:07am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Become a teacher. They’ll take virtually anything that breathes unaided at the moment and unless you get caught shagging a goat on the property it’s almost impossible to get rid of you….
  
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  February 2, 2020 2:05pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    yes, but after 1 year, it becomes repetitive work…
    
    even the long holidays and lively kids lose their attraction when you spend your day assessing the NCEA way.
    
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    February 2, 2020 3:14pm
Tony Stuart

Julie Anne Genter wasn’t at the infrastructure announcement on Wednesday, and now we know why; she hates the emphasis on roads:

https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/02-02-2020/greens-take-aim-at-road-loaded-infrastructure-plan-carving-out-a-new-lane/
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February 2, 2020 8:14am
- MT_Tinman
  
  Or hiding.
  
  I travelled a new motorway yesterday.
  
  The previous road it replaces had grass verges so if people had problems with their vehicle they could pull over onto the grass and stop in safety.
  
  The grass is still there but now there is a concrete and wire fence to kill anyone trying to get off the road.
  
  Genter should be charged with murder along side all others in the ministry decision making group every time someone unnecessarily dies because of this type of stupidity.
  
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  February 2, 2020 8:24am
  - Rodney Randall
    
    the fuckwits in chch have done the treatment all the way down QEII drive and fucked it all up having to redo all of the poles and chain!
    How they managed to fuck the offset up, in its entirity avoiding any staged sign off from CCC engineers,is a mystery.
    
    A complete fuck up.
    
    Incredibly dangerous now with limited pull off area. Fuck all space to get out of the way should your vehicle break down.
    
    Already there have been several accidents.
    
    the pole chain setup is a distraction.
    
    Genter should be arrested for criminal negligence.
    
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    February 2, 2020 11:00am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Someone needs to get a front end loader and go for a drive…..
      
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      February 2, 2020 2:06pm
  - DeepBlue
    
    No pull off area and nowhere for the inevitable cyclist.
    
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    February 2, 2020 4:37pm
- chaos
  
  She should be removed as the associate minister
  
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  February 2, 2020 8:35am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    She will be your Transport Minister in the 2020 Labour-Greens gummit.
    
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    February 2, 2020 9:19am
    - rockape
      
      Never sure wither to uptic you for your humor or downtic you so I am not showing support for what you say in jest!
      
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      February 2, 2020 10:00am
      - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
        
        I am genderless!! You can’t uptick or downtick me. May be sidetick me??
        
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        February 2, 2020 10:33am
    - Max
      
      Jacinda will win, not for any other reason than Simon.
      
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      February 2, 2020 10:29am
  - kevn
    
    @chaos… or just removed. Maybe 2020 will do it.
    
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    February 2, 2020 9:31am
- Dead Earnest
  
  Labour will have to form a coalition with the Greens to have any hope of governing after the next election and the Greens are clearly signaling that they will be asking for the cancelation of Labour’s motorways as the price of their support.
  Bridges needs to ask the PTPM whether her infrastructure program will be non-negotiable in post election horse trading.
  
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  February 2, 2020 9:05am
  - brett68
    
    Do you have a link?
    
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    February 2, 2020 10:08am
- Sydney Alvarado
  
  Physics and facts are not a strong point in the Greens.
  
  As I see it her plan is to force motorists to take public transport and ride bikes by making roads horrible. That will never happen. And by building modern roads, cars will produce LESS emissions.
  
  When I lived in Wellington I drove Wellington to Raumati maybe 3,000 times. When Transmission Gully opens fuel burn and emissions will be materially reduced on those journeys.
  
  I’ll end on a cycling observation. Despite a couple of billion on cycleways, the proportion of commuting journeys by cycling DECLINED by 20 percent between 2013 and 2018. Cycling commuting was higher way back in 2001. I posted the data on GD a few days back.
  
  It is disturbing that we have people making decisions about our lives without any use of evidence or science.
  
  TBH if JAG is unhappy about a Government investment plan, that is a very reassuring sign that the plan is on the right track.
  
  There is a challenge for National here. A risk is that voters who were deeply unhappy about roads being neglected will say “It is all OK now”. National need to hammer the theme that the government spent all of the petrol excise that people pay with their hard earned money and spent it on rubbish. That rubbish is still happening. But they then went and BORROWED billions to build much needed roads.
  
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  February 2, 2020 9:08am
chaos

* Medical science journal The Lancet at the weekend published an update into the first known clinical reports of the virus. Chinese researchers tracked reports to 41 original cases. The earliest infections pose a serious mystery.

“No epidemiological link was found between the first patient and later cases,” they state. In fact, 13 of the first 41 had no link to the market whatsoever.

So vital questions remain:

Where did the virus come from?

How did it get into the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market?

“Now it seems clear that the seafood market is not the only origin of the virus,” study co-author Bin Cao told the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS).

“But to be honest, we still do not know where the virus came from now.”*

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12305211
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February 2, 2020 8:19am
- chaos
  
  * attaaaggtt tataccttcc caggtaacaa accaaccaac tttcgatctc ttgtagatct …
  
  That string of apparent gibberish is anything but: It’s a snippet of a DNA sequence from the viral pathogen, dubbed 2019 novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV), that is overwhelming China and frightening the entire world. Scientists are publicly sharing an ever-growing number of full sequences of the virus from patients—53 at last count in the Global Initiative on Sharing All Influenza Data database. These viral genomes are being intensely studied to try to understand the origin of 2019-nCoV and how it fits on the family tree of related viruses found in bats and other species. They have also given glimpses into what this newly discovered virus physically looks like, how it’s changing, and how it might be stopped.*
  
  https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/01/mining-coronavirus-genomes-clues-outbreak-s-origins
  
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  February 2, 2020 8:33am
  - Ed Snack
    
    What of that paper linked to in yesterday’s GD, where the authors identified four separate inclusions to the spike protein sequence that appeared to have come from HIV ? Is this now confirmed, everything else I read seems to treat it as such. Anyone with serious chops in the genetic field have any comments on the paper ?
    
    Because if true, this very, very strongly points to an engineered virus and an accidental or possibly deliberate release that went wrong.
    
    Other reports I have seen suggest that Chinese numbers only include those who report to and get confirmation from a hospital – and the local hospitals are overwhelmed so the numbers are way too low as most people can’t and don’t go there. Primary problem appears to be a severe lung inflammatory response that gives symptoms akin to a severe asthma attack – trouble breathing and oxygen deprivation. Asthma medication won’t help though as the actual cause is very different.
    
    Further reports that appear solid suggest that the Chinese are using anti-HIV medications as part of the treatment, and this lends veracity to the findings about the inclusion of HIV proteins as those would be targets for medication.
    
    The situation is still developing, but some of the developments are troubling.
    
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    February 2, 2020 9:16am
    - Diversity Supremacist
      
      This explains why the virus has a long incubation it hides from the immune system, just like HIV, there is no possible way if true this could occur naturally.
      
      Another point to note is those people who have so-called “recovered” haven’t recovered at all they are seriously debilitated.
      
      Governments around the world are taking this seriously they know more than any of us have been told, the key here is to watch how big businesses and governments act, this is how you know what is really happening, you will know nothing through fake news media.
      
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      February 2, 2020 9:41am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      That paper was just a pre-print…
      
      Some of the twitter from other geneticists suggest that it is rushed and the little sequences the Indians identify as coming from HIV are not indicator sequences at all.
      
      For what it is worth:
      https://twitter.com/SKonermann/status/1223344537772290048
      
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      February 2, 2020 10:21am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Thank you Maggy, I was hoping you would be around on this. I saw it was a pre-print but my expertise isn’t in viral proteins !
        
        That thread seems to strongly suggest that the methodology and subsequent identification is fatally flawed. Also a note that anti-HIV medication is useful against retroviruses generally and so is not necessarily a marker for the presence of HIV proteins.
        
        Chaos’s other note above though about traced origins and a lack of a link with the “wet market” though is still troubling.
        
        But like I said, early days, and a lot to be discovered. However I would still not trust Chinese numbers on infected/ deaths etc, but it certainly does not seem to be MERS – which had a close to 50% death rate. SARS was closer to 10%.
        
        And I still think that the NZ government is being foolish and worse by not essentially banning all travel to/from China without quarantine in place.
        
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        February 2, 2020 10:36am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Ed Snack
        
        I was hoping you would be around on this. I saw it was a pre-print but my expertise isn’t in viral proteins !
        
        I have no specialty knowledge in this field… just an awareness of disease transmission.
        
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        February 2, 2020 11:05am
      - ISeeRed
        
        @Ed Snack Makes you wonder just how much influence if not control the CCP already has over the NZ government. For example:
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12305209
        
        “Currently, passengers arriving in New Zealand from China are proactively asked if they have flu-like symptoms. If so, a health check will be undertaken.”
        
        Coronavirus was known weeks ago to be contagious BEFORE symptoms appear but passengers are still just being “proactively asked” . What. The. Actual. Phuck.
        
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        February 2, 2020 2:28pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        My expertise is drug metabolism and pharmacokinetics … within DM pharmacogenetics and genomics are a strength, and my PhD thesis was trans-placental metabolism and transfer of AZT so I know a fair bit about HIV…
        
        Silvana (the twitter user posted by Maggy) correctly points out that at least two of the insertions identified in the pre-print are known bat coronaviruses. Another of the insertions is so small (contains so few amino acids) that statistically its just as likely that it is a chance match. The pre-print is flawed.
        
        Also HIV1 doesn’t hide from the immune system genetically – it changes its cell-surface proteins (“epitopes” that the immune cells recognize and destroy) so often and so much that the immune cells simply cannot keep up and they get overwhelmed. HIV2 – the lesser known/studied may have some forms of immune evasion but again they’re not genetic, its recombinant.
        
        2019-nCoV-Wuhan is a mystery because [1] transmission can occur when asymptomatic [2] incubation period is long [3] still not entirely sure where it came from.
        
        FWIW I sincerely doubt that this is an engineered virus, engineered biologics are designed to be highly fatal… if somebody made this (and sorry to frighten anybody but we can do that in reasonably competent labs) it would have long incubation, high transmission and high fatality rates. This has long incubation, medium transmissibility and relatively low fatality. 2019-nCoV-Wuhan has all the hallmarks of random recombination of genetic material then a zoonotic jump (i.e. a jump from animals to humans, which is not really supposed to happen – its incredibly rare).
        
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        February 2, 2020 3:33pm
Jack5

Acute, egregious, mad multiculturism …

Britain’s Sheffield University has produced a video saying Shakespeare, William Blake, and Virginia Woolf are among white authors “not necessarily” the best, but on the curriculum because of racial bias.

The Telegraph reports the video was produced by Sheffield University to educate its students about different forms of racism.

“Many of the writers, thinkers and academics who are traditionally studied are white too,” the video says.

American novelist Toni Morrison, Nigerian poet Ben Okri and British-Indian novelist Salman Rushdie are given as examples of non-white writers who are not typically studied.

Last year, the Sheffield University student union was criticised for after it announcing that it planned to hold focus groups on racism, with white undergraduates banned from attending.

Meanwhile, the BBC reports Sheffield University will pay 20 of its students £9.34 an hour as “race equality champions”, trained to tackle “microaggressions,” which it describes as “subtle but offensive comments”.

The BBC says the university gives as example of the “microaggressions”:

– “Stop making everything a race issue.”
– “Why are you searching for things to be offended about?”
– “Where are you really from?”
– “I don’t want to hear about your holiday to South Africa. It’s nowhere near where I’m from.”
– “Being compared to black celebrities that I look nothing like.”

James Delingpole writes elsewhere that one of the students behind the campaign is a Malaysian, Santhana Gopalakrishnan.

In a pamphlet she has given these examples of “microagressions”: “How are you Malaysian? “ or “You look Indian,” or “Your English is so good!” or “Do they have WiFi where you come from?” and even “Is it true Malaysians live on trees?”

Links, though, sadly, most of the Telegraph report is behind a paywall:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/01/31/shakespeare-blake-woolf-curriculum-due-racial-bias-university/

AND

https://www.bbc.com/news/education-51098539
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February 2, 2020 8:24am
- Jack5
  
  Sheffield, once famed for its steel (most of its mills were mostly wiped out by “globalisation”), has a population of about 580,000, of whom about 20 per cent are of ethnic minorities – mainly Pakistani, but it also has Caribbean, Indian, Bangladeshi, Somali, Yemeni, and Chinese communities.
  
  Stephiestanis are notably absent.
  
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  February 2, 2020 8:51am
- Jules99
  
  Gosh, sounds like it would be better not to talk to them at all.
  
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  February 2, 2020 9:52am
Happychappy

The devide between Maori and Pakeha could grow after Waitangi with Jacindas I’ll advised intervention into Ihumatoa, but that won’t bother her or Ministers at Waitangi as it’s all about Jacinda and baby Neve.
Labour have taken Maori for granted every time they come to power and Ihumatoa threatens to cause more havoc at Waitangi this year. If Labour decide that they will pay Fletchers for the land at Ihumatoa and give into the occupation will show the Maori activists in NZ that occupying land that is not yours brings reward and will cause civil unrest everytime they need to use it anywhere in NZ.
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February 2, 2020 8:29am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Careful Happy, you’re not supposed to be mentioning Neve.
  
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  February 2, 2020 8:47am
  - Tall Man
    
    I didn’t get an answer to my question yesterday but as far as I am concerned if she is pushed front and centre by either her media desperate mother or the media then she is fair game.
    
    Much the same with jethro.
    
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    February 2, 2020 10:54am
    - cmm
      
      TM: Jethro has full adult say in this. A baby does not.
      
      I think it fine to serve it up to them for exploiting Neve, without attacking Neve herself.
      
      In my opinion Happychappy is not attacking Neve but the way she is being used as PR fodder by Labour and MSM.
      
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      February 2, 2020 11:51am
      - Tall Man
        
        Yep, that was what I meant. I should have said ardern is fair game. I just believe the mods should have responded yesterday but I’m sure I’ll get a comment or two deleted as I test the waters.
        
        I just find it hard to type ardern without the liar bit as that’s what I see whenever she appears. I think “auto correct” on my laptop has learned the phrase as well 🙂
        
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        February 2, 2020 12:32pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Not fair to blame the shield.
      
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      February 2, 2020 1:40pm
- Sydney Alvarado
  
  I’ll be doing the usual and staying well clear of the media and having a barbeque.
  
  One of the best things about travelling to Australia is to escape the non stop focus on Maori grievances. It will never ever end. If a bunch of people in Australia occupied private land and stopped a housing development they would be arrested quick smart. Here we contemplate paying the demonstrators!
  
  As time passes you will see Australian Ministers treating their New Zealand counterparts with a mix of bemusement and contempt. The rhetoric of a “special relationship” is hollow. I fully expect to see Australia wind back the trans tasman travel agreement over the next 20 years. It won’t be dramatic. Just incremental steps. Same with the deportation of criminal and undesirable New Zealanders. Every time a minister goes to Canberra to wail about it, the response will be to ramp it up a notch.
  
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  February 2, 2020 9:17am
  - Ruahine
    
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    It was Helen Clark back in 2001 who put the boot into Kiwis and the then Trans Tasman Agreement. This lot starting with Little and then Ardern are doing their best to totally destroy what remains. Little with his stupidity and Ardern with her bigmouth.
    I agree residency is under threat. Sending our criminals back has relieved the pressure somewhat though.
    
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    February 2, 2020 10:43am
  - curry4me
    
    That’s what I liked about living and working in Korea earlier this century. The only Maori stuff I saw was an ad for kiwifruit in a supermarket.
    
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    February 2, 2020 12:22pm
  - ISeeRed
    
    The situation with Oz and NZ is similar to US and Mexico. NZ/Mexico will never improve if the locals are allowed to keep flooding over to their richer neighbour for substantially higher wages and standard of living. Australia needs to say: “Sorry, Kiwis, the free ride is over. Time you went back home, learned something about economics and voted smarter to improve your own country instead.”
    
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    February 2, 2020 5:04pm
Yvette

Struggling Northland sawmillers call for Government help, fearing ‘complete closure’
… as they struggle to source raw logs being snapped up by international buyers.

“We’ve been concerned about our log supply for a couple of years now and there’s certainly not enough to go around,” Rosvall Sawmill’s Mark Hansen told 1 NEWS.
Maurice Davis, from the Amalgamated Workers Union, says it’s a major issue.
“The problem is there are no mature trees in Northland of any scale that we can mill, so we’re having to bring them in from central North Island,” he says.
“And the cost of that has blown out.” [1]

Are they going to have climate change maths at school too –
To fell a tree in the Central North Island and truck it to Whangārei sawmill, how much of another tree’s sequestered carbon equates to the fossil fuel that the logging truck uses to journey there laden and return empty?

And if you are planting trees in Northland, financed by Shane so people will vote for him in that electorate, how many sawmills will fall over waiting nearly three decades for those trees to mature.

Meanwhile are not most of the extra trees planted in the 1900s, in the Central North Island?
554,000 hectares [2] which, if roughly 1,000 trees per hectare, could be around 554 million trees – about half a billion EXTRA trees – from the 1900s, maturing and ready for harvesting.

This is acknowledged in a Shane Jones Cabinet Paper, being referred to as “… the large number of trees that were planted in the 1990s and are coming up for harvest over coming years” [3]

What isn’t acknowledged by Shane – well, not splurged in the media – is that, in the decade he hopes to plant One Billion Trees, forestry needs to harvest those approximate half a billion extra trees from the 1990s

[1] https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/struggling-northland-sawmillers-call-government-help-fearing-complete-closure
[2] http://www.mpi.govt.nz/dmsdocument/28464-nefd-2017-online-tables-xlsx – Table 9
[3] https://www.teururakau.govt.nz/dmsdocument/30942-the-one-billion-trees-programme-cabinet-paper A graph, Figure 2: New land planted in production forest in New Zealand, is on page 7 of the linked Cabinet Paper and shows this “bulge” in maturing trees.
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February 2, 2020 8:31am
- Swifty
  
  Move the mill.
  
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  February 2, 2020 9:09am
  - Tall Man
    
    Which is effectively what they’ve done ….. all the way to China 🙂
    
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    February 2, 2020 10:52am
    - Swifty
      
      Heh
      
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      February 2, 2020 11:03am
    - Swifty
      
      Heh.
      
      My old man established two forestry partnerships in the Wairarapa in the early 80s – around 1500 acres and all radiata. We sold the last parcels about 10 years ago. I visited the blocks maybe 30-40 times – taking a few reds and porkers out.
      
      These local value-adders need to compete with whatever price being offered by the overseas buyers. If they can’t well then they’ve got two options then haven’t they.
      
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      February 2, 2020 11:08am
  - Pharmachick
    
    No need, central NI has Kinleith and Kawerau and…
    
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    February 2, 2020 3:45pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It’s all a bit late in the day isn’t it…
  
  Obviously more economic for Forest owners to ship logs overseas than to supply local sawmills.
  
  Hard to believe that a century ago Folks knew more about running a sustainable forest industry than they do today.
  
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  February 2, 2020 9:21am
  - Jack5
    
    Some people think the New Zealand dollar is overvalued. If it were to fall sharply against Asian currencies, local timber could be beyond people’s reach.
    
    Someone in the timber business could explain why tropical hardwoods are relatively cheap in New Zealand, while home-grown radiata pine, pretty much a second-rate timber, is being priced off the local market.
    
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    February 2, 2020 10:22am
    - Tall Man
      
      Easier to make toilet paper than a house and 1.4 billion people need a lot of toilet paper 🙂
      
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      February 2, 2020 10:51am
    - Swifty
      
      Demand drives price.
      
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      February 2, 2020 11:10am
- rouppe
  
  There was massive panting going on in the 1990’s.
  
  It came to an almost instantaneous stop when the (Labour) government of the day introduced the ETS.
  
  I have 3 hectares of forestry (part of a partnership) some of which is due for harvest in the next 5 years or so. I won’t be reinvesting in forestry.
  
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  February 2, 2020 9:47am
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Again Virology Cambridge Uni based consultant Chris Smith gives those who want to be informed the latest update on the novel coronavirus on RNZ Kim Hills Saturday morning. He steers us calmly through a lot of the fear mongering and hysteria that has featured during last week or so.,

morninghttps://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/saturday/audio/2018732304/virologist-chris-smith-wuhan-coronavirus-latest

He makes the vitally important point that the death rate compared to SARS or MERs is relatively low typically striking down the very old or young or those with compromised immune systems Others claimed the virus was a “Thermonuclear pandemic” in the waiting, Gross fear mongering and the Harvard based claim was withdrawn. Another medic claiming 100,000 are infected Totally untrue! Finally, the issue of Chinaphobia and current fear based perceptions of the “sleeping giant “ and its people.

Treating coronavirus like a Yellow Peril.This deadly virus is being turned into a metaphor for global threats and Chinese mystery.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/01/30/treating-coronavirus-like-a-yellow-peril/
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February 2, 2020 8:36am
- Nostradamus
  
  … those who want to be informed … He makes the vitally important point … Totally untrue! … This deadly virus is being turned into a metaphor for global threats and Chinese mystery.
  
  Since you’ve become Stephieboy the Reporter, anything to report from St Lukes? It’s been a while since you last gave us a detailed café report!
  
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  February 2, 2020 8:52am
  - Swifty
    
    Heh.
    
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    February 2, 2020 9:39am
- Jack5
  
  Stephie, get your political colours right.
  
  Shouldn’t your “Yellow Peril” now be a “Red Peril”, given that China is the surviving Communist giant.
  
  Or perhaps, because mixing yellow and red gives you orange, it could be the Orange Peril – or would you keep that for Trumpy?
  
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  February 2, 2020 9:00am
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    Jack5,”..given that China is the surviving Communist giant.”
    
    Well the only one now!
    
    Happy?
    
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    February 2, 2020 9:52am
- Nutta
  
  Really, downvotes for this? Downvote the comment when made, not the comnentator, surely? This is a pretty rational post for the author concerned…
  
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  February 2, 2020 9:07am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    stephieboy has been trying to make a case for the last week that folks on this blog are being alarmist about the Coronavirus global health emergency.
    
    He has cast smears upon the views of a world-leading virologist.
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2020/01/general_debate_27_january_2020.html#comment-2630811
    
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2020/01/general_debate_27_january_2020.html#comment-2630847
    
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    February 2, 2020 9:44am
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      I put my faith and trust in the reason and good sense of Virologist Chris Smith who has not succumbed to ” thermo nuclear ” and ” yellow peril ” hysteria.
      
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      February 2, 2020 9:56am
      - rangitoto
        
        Why?
        
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        February 2, 2020 10:50am
    - Nutta
      
      There were 10 downvotes, yet no counter comment explaining what was objectionable. At least there are such comments now…
      
      And don’t get me wrong, SB predominantly makes comments that are woeful and make my eyes hurt… Just not this one so much.
      
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      February 2, 2020 10:30am
  - Sydney Alvarado
    
    No. The guy has no credibility.
    
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    February 2, 2020 9:58am
  - Tall Man
    
    If you want to uptick a nutter who’s merely cutting and pasting other’s comments then you go for it.
    
    If you think steffy’s great you’ll absolutely love hugh.
    
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    February 2, 2020 10:49am
  - Swifty
    
    We will downvote whoever and whatever we care to, thank you Mr Nutta.
    
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    February 2, 2020 11:29am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Treating coronavirus like a Yellow Peril.
  
  And you, stephieboy, are the one who has introduced this racist meme into Kiwiblog’s debate.
  
  Why don’t you take your filthy slurs and nasty labels and cast them in the dunny where they belong?
  
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  February 2, 2020 9:24am
  - Swifty
    
    He is invariable the worst offender of any behaviour he accuses other KB posters of.
    
    It’s his elephant in the room but, of course, he is blind to it.
    
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    February 2, 2020 9:36am
- Diversity Supremacist
  
  Its racist to not want to die of a virus imported by one of the most xenophobic races on the planet, whose government has concentrations camps, Eugenics programs, and a history of genocide.
  
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  February 2, 2020 9:34am
  - ISeeRed
    
    That’s what’s hilarious. So often the most enlightened, liberal, egalitarian, tolerant, non-judgmental types are the same people who want to welcome in members of some of the most intolerant, xenophobic, sexist and homophobic ethnicities, religions and nationalities on Earth – and think this will somehow improve social cohesion and promote racial harmony in New Zealand. Cognitive dissonance at its best/worst!
    
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    February 2, 2020 5:12pm
- JackRabbit
  
  Given the nature of the virus and that the outbreak now appears to have originated from multiple unrelated locations and persons, increases the fear level. From reading the reports, the virus appears engineered specifically to target humans, increasing the level of suspicion that this virus may have been created in a lab.
  
  Humans have been doing all sorts of stuff with animals as food since the beginning of time, so why now, and why in multiple places in China?
  
  https://china-underground.com/2014/08/16/7-animals-eaten-alive-in-china-graphic-content/
  
  If this virus specifically targets humans, and is quite different to other viruses, i.e. no intermediate mutations, why have there been no intermediate mutated outbreaks?
  
  In the course of professional inductive investigation, one would have to include biological and genetic warfare as a possible cause.
  
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  February 2, 2020 9:37am
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    “In the course of professional inductive investigation..”
    
    Backed up by the evidence and the facts, naturally.
    
    Or?
    
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    February 2, 2020 9:58am
    - JackRabbit
      
      Do you even know what inductive investigation is?
      Did you even read what I said?
      
      Reading is not the scanning of words on a page, sorry there were no pictures.
      
      Reading actually requires thinking and evaluating, something I have never seen any evidence of from you.
      
      Try again.
      
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      February 2, 2020 10:03am
      - JackRabbit
        
        @mod
        
        Bump.
        
        10.03 really?
        
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        February 2, 2020 10:50am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Your postings to date give no confidence in your inductive ability. You seem to rely on reporting other biased fact checkers assessments.
      
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      February 2, 2020 1:25pm
  - Pharmachick
    
    As stated above, I highly doubt this is an engineered virus. If it was the fatality rate would be higher, as would transmissibility. And yes I know what I’m talking about.
    
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    February 2, 2020 3:49pm
    - Diversity Supremacist
      
      No. It’s as perfect as you can get.
      
      >high rate of infection
      >can be contracted from feces
      >no symptoms for up to 2 weeks
      >carrier with no symptoms
      >recovery followed by second infection of pneumonia
      
      The fatality rate for outside China stands at 50% in the Philippines, 2 infections 1 death.
      
      You don’t know what you’re talking about.
      
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      February 2, 2020 4:55pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        And this is the problem with the internet/blogs… even when you have access to a world-class scientist, who is trying to advise you about these things, you resort to un-referenced lies, and ad hominem attacks.
        
        You fatality rate statistics are complete bollocks. Here is what Johns Hopkins is tracking in real time:
        
        https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6?utm_source=vancouver is awesome&utm_campaign=vancouver is awesome&utm_medium=referral
        
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        February 2, 2020 5:55pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      Unless you can see inside the heads of the elite power mongers, there is no certainty in that.
      
      Understanding how drugs and viruses work, or how weapons work, or how Directed Energy, Burning Lasers, Weather warfare, or Environmental Terrorism works, gives no real insight into the mental processes of those who would use said things for destructive or financial purposes.
      
      Judging motive based on fatality rates is not a science.
      
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      February 2, 2020 5:46pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        Nope, if they (whoever “they” are) wanted to release a terrible virus for any motives, they (we scientists) would engineer a much better virus than n-CoV-Wuhan. Honestly, all you conspiracy theorists and alarmists are hellishly amusing to those of us that could actually make/do this shit… I mean seriously, do you also believe that Elvis is still alive and well and that we never landed on the moon????
        
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        February 2, 2020 6:10pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @Pharmachick
        
        “..to those of us that could actually make/do this shit”
        
        Case proven. All it requires is someone with a bad attitude, need for money and the right motivation.
        
        “(we scientists) would engineer a much better virus ”
        
        Over half of what you buy on Ali-Express could be engineered better, so there are no points for saying they didn’t do it because it was inferior.
        
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        February 2, 2020 6:52pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @Pharmachick
        “they (we scientists) would engineer a much better virus than n-CoV-Wuhan.”
        
        In war, the object is to inflict as much damage. It is more “productive” to do that with resources that main, would, injure and spread panic, rather than a straight out kill.
        
        Also, for all the good scientists in the world, there are also the corrupt ones who are not known in the good scientist circles.
        
        You may understand viruses, but war, including stealth war, is a whole different thing.
        
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        February 2, 2020 7:56pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        Go fuck yourself.
        
        I’m bloody sick and tired of “woo woo” arseholes like you being blowhards on social media.
        
        Your entire statement/argument started with some bullshit about “understanding…” which is also a joke because you clearly do not understand any of the underpinning science and maths here.
        
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        February 2, 2020 8:05pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  When you mocked Professor Guan Yi’s brain last week stephieboy, was that from ignorance or from your racism?
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2020/01/general_debate_27_january_2020.html#comment-2630811
  
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  February 2, 2020 9:56am
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    MW, as I’ve suggested I will put my bets on Dr Chris Smith rather than the learned Professor!
    
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    February 2, 2020 10:01am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      You have absolutely no idea how the scientific world acts cooperatively on these matters.
      
      Don’t you understand what happens under a Global Health emergency?
      
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      February 2, 2020 10:08am
      - Stephieboy2
        
        “Don’t you understand what happens under a Global Health emergency?”
        
        [deleted by DPF]
        
        Professor Guan was ranked as a highly cited researcher (2014 – 2018) and has been ranked 11th in the world in the field of microbiology (Thomson). He has obtained substantial grant funding from the NIH of the USA, the Welcome Trust fund and the WHO as well as from local government sources and private foundations.Dec 11, 2019
        orcid.org › …
        Yi Guan (0000-0001-6057-9243) – ORCID | Connecting …
        
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        February 2, 2020 10:31am
      - Nostradamus
        
        Maggy:
        
        I ask this out of interest.
        
        There’s lots of research being carried out and I note, for example, that Australian scientists developed a lab-grown version of the virus.
        
        I’m wondering how the intellectual property rights are allocated. For example, in a few years’ time when the coronavirus is hopefully a distant memory, who will be entitled to commercialise the intellectual property rights? Universities? Private companies? We must have been through this before with other medical developments.
        
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        February 2, 2020 10:37am
      - JackRabbit
        
        @Mod
        
        Bump.
        
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        February 2, 2020 10:46am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Not the kind of hysteria your Professor and that you appear to promote
        
        Moderators,
        
        If you or stephieboy can produce any evidence that I have promoted hysteria on this blog, I suggest you expose it.
        
        Otherwise I request that you remove stephieboy’s slur against me asap.
        
        Thanks,
        
        Maggy Wassilieff
        
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        February 2, 2020 10:52am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Nostradamus
        
        I’m wondering how the intellectual property rights are allocated
        
        The patent rights on viruses seem to be taken out by the research labs.
        
        The subject blew up when a Netherlands Lab which had been sent an unknown virus by the Saudis patented MERS in 2013.
        
        https://www.downtoearth.org.in/blog/a-deadly-virus-of-patenting-44975
        
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        February 2, 2020 11:27am
      - Nostradamus
        
        Thanks Maggy – that’s an interesting link.
        
        There seems to be a “cottage industry” of scientists who seek to derive commercial advantage in this situation. Very interesting. And, as the article notes, it required a diligent researcher to trawl through patent applications before people realised what had happened.
        
        Yes, it’s tangential to the immediate issue of containing and eradicating the virus, but it’s still an interesting issue
        
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        February 2, 2020 11:53am
      - Pharmachick
        
        @Nostradamus not so sure that’s fair. Do you know what it costs to e.g. develop a vaccine, by diverting a number of senior scientists, tech and staff to do nothing bu that for the next 6-12 months, test it preclinically, then clinically and then apply for expedited FDA approval and get it out there? Well I do, and its close to a billion dollars. The scientists filing the patents don’t have a hope of developing the vaccine, they want Big Pharma to come buy it off them and then get the trials and approvals done. The ting is its the nimble academics that can study an individual virus at the intimate genetic level and solve these problemsmd – the scale up is commercial.
        
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        February 2, 2020 3:54pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Pharmachick:
        
        Thanks for your contribution – I was hoping you’d read this thread and be willing to share your expertise.
        
        To clarify, I don’t have an issue with commercialisation per se, but this paragraph from Maggy’s link seemed to imply an excessive claim:
        
        Thanks to the digging done by Edward Hammond, director of Prickly Research, a US consultancy on policies related to biodiversity, agriculture, infectious diseases and intellectual property (IP), we know have some idea of the sweeping patent claims made by Erasmus. According to Hammond, the application claims “the virus as a whole, and its genetic material, particularly the unique variations that differentiate MERS from related viruses and appear to enable it to infect humans”. In addition, the claims cover any diagnostics and vaccines derived from it.
        
        Is that a typical approach to patent registration in your experience? Interested in your thoughts.
        
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        February 2, 2020 5:02pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        @nostradamus
        
        The scientists as Erasmus are beyond outstanding. I know more than one of them professionally and personally. They’re probably one of the top 3 in the world that can solve this.
        
        That being said – the standard practice is to file the WIDEST patent protection you possibly can, and let the PTO (patent office) decide on the actual boundaries.
        
        There’s a real reason for this: even the smallest loophole(s) can be exploited by a competitor, because one you publish the results all your time and effort can be replicated in a couple months by a well funded and resourced competitor, who basically repeats what you spent blood sweat and tears doing, then adds a bromine molecule to your drug and requests approval for it as a “me too” compound … i.e. if the class is already approved by FDA those that are second (or third or 24th) to the party not only get a faster development process but also an expedited approval process.
        
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        February 2, 2020 5:38pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Thanks Pharmachick.
        
        There seems to be a difference between:
        (1) a private company that creates a patentable medical product from scratch (and I’ve dabbled in biotech investments, though not massively, so I have a basic understanding of the commercialisation process), and
        (2) the collaborative/cooperative research effort that Maggy referred to above in the case of an incident (to use a neutral term) like the coronavirus issue.
        
        I understand why the patent registration application would use the broadest possible description. My question, though, is whether it needs to be as broad as I highlighted above (and whether the patent office should approve such a broad description), and if it didn’t, whether scenario 2 above (the cooperative/collaborative research effort) would effectively come to a grinding halt.
        
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        February 2, 2020 8:13pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      Great Minds Discuss Ideas;
      Average Minds Discuss Events;
      Small Minds Discuss People.
      
      A corollary to that is that small minds point to people as figures of authority. The problem with that is if there are 10 people with 10 points of view, which one do you trust?
      
      Eventually you have to embrace ideas, or in this case principles. Eventually you have to weigh something up on the merits or the degree of alignment to principles you KNOW are true, not random eclectic ideas you like the sound of, or are comfortable with.
      
      You have a pattern of using “authorities”, and copy and paste as your argument source(s).
      
      Try using principles, thinking, reasoning, and logic to formulate your thesis. If you can’t, then stay out of the kitchen.
      
      “I will put my bets on Dr Chris Smith rather than the learned Professor!”
      
      You have learn to back yourself, as others on here do. First learn to trust yourself, and your thinking, rather than rely on the words of authority. If you can’t do that, stay out of the kitchen.
      
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      February 2, 2020 10:15am
  - chaos
    
    Maggy, do you know in 2011 in the USA alone there were were 17,660 microbiologists. You must be fucken good to be ranked 11 world wide don’t you think, unless you are a moron who thinks there are only 11 microbiologists so considers it worth mentioning in every post he was only ranked 11th
    
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    February 2, 2020 10:57am
    - JackRabbit
      
      It kind of puts things in perspective doesn’t it.
      
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      February 2, 2020 12:39pm
cmm

And now the cops are worried that criminals might get mocked:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/119024577/police-concede-facebook-mugshots-magnet-for-mocking

Confused! Do the cops work for the gangs now?
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February 2, 2020 8:40am
- Swifty
  
  Public condemnation and shaming is an essential element of justice and punishment – has been for millennia.
  
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  February 2, 2020 9:11am
  - rockape
    
    Bring back stocks for low level offending .
    
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    February 2, 2020 10:06am
    - niggly
      
      And plenty of fruit, preferably old rotting fruit that the supermarkets can’t give away to food charities! 😉
      
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      February 2, 2020 10:49am
- mark15
  
  Why do the police have a marketing manager?
  
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  February 2, 2020 9:19am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    “Why do the police have a marketing manager?” Like all such positions: to sell us something we wouldn’t otherwise buy on any rational basis, of course.
    
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    February 2, 2020 9:54am
    - Ed Snack
      
      A true “marketing manager” would be one who tries to work out what the customer really wants so they can offer you that as a product. I think you are thinking of an”sales manager” whose job it is to sell you what they have.
      
      Sadly the two roles are often completely confused, and many so called marketing managers are a variation of a sales manager and simply try to find new ways to convince you that what they have is what you want, really ! Though as a subset there is the art of finding the market segment that does want what you have to sell already.
      
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      February 2, 2020 10:44am
  - hmmokrightitis
    
    Good point. Under the CoL theres more than enough customers and a rising crime rate, they dont need to go looking for additional business!!
    
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    February 2, 2020 10:13am
- JackRabbit
  
  They have forgotten that the posting of mugshots also helps the public avoid contact with dangerous types.
  
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  February 2, 2020 9:26am
- kevn
  
  @cmm…. I read somewhere that 95% of police have tats now, rivaling gangster efforts.
  
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  February 2, 2020 9:37am
- rouppe
  
  The Police aren’t doing the mocking. That’s not their intent. Their intent is for information that leads to their arrest. In the good old days it would be posters on the wall. What’s the difference?
  
  The added benefit is that it brings associated ferals out of the woodwork. For example that Tipene Pererika Mills who commented that “94 narcs have shared this post”. Narcs? That’s a big signal that Tipene ought to have his activities looked at as well.
  
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  February 2, 2020 9:50am
gump

Four kids under the age of twelve were killed by he driver of a 4WD in Sydney yesterday.

Strangely enough I can’t remember the last time a car driver was killed by a cyclist…
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February 2, 2020 9:01am
- Sydney Alvarado
  
  Three kids were siblings. I don’t see how you recover from that as a parent. All because of a drunk driver.
  
  In Christchurch yesterday I saw a driver sail straight through a stop sign at speed. I couldn’t get his number plate unfortunately.
  
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  February 2, 2020 10:08am
- peterwn
  
  ?????? The kids were sober – the 4WD driver failed a breath test following the tragedy.
  
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  February 2, 2020 10:21am
  - sooty
    
    Fourth one was a cousin!
    
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    February 2, 2020 1:08pm
Yvette

The opposition claims the figures they’ve obtained show numbers blowing out of proportion – 152 working groups costing around $170 million dollars.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/control-national-accuses-labour-number-reviews-and-working-groups

Although last year was supposedly the “Year of Delivery”, how many committees, inquiries and working groups are yet to report back (deliver proposals on things to deliver), and since most of them seemed to relate to Election policy Labour had not formulated in their nine years of neglect as Opposition, what is still to come and will it be in time for this Election?
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February 2, 2020 9:04am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Honestly Yvette,
  
  . What is the use of having produced a report for the CoL if the Government changes?
  
  Probably best not to expose yourself until you can determine the wind-direction for the run-up to the election.
  
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  February 2, 2020 9:35am
  - artemisia
    
    Cynical but probably true, Maggy. Alternatively, quiet but urgent conversations behind closed doors to see how content and recommendations can be fudged to appeal to either new government. Even more cynical.
    
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    February 2, 2020 9:45am
DRHILL

Just saw a Labour Party ad on YouTube called “The Big Upgrade”
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February 2, 2020 9:22am
- chaos
  
  Oh, are they getting a new puppet prime minister? I wonder who Winston will select to upgrade away from the current defective version
  
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  February 2, 2020 9:34am
- Swifty
  
  Is that like The Great Leap Forward?
  
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  February 2, 2020 9:38am
- niggly
  
  Did it feature the PM sprinkling yet more bullshit dust around?
  
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  February 2, 2020 10:52am
Sir Cullen's Sidekick

Are you guys ready to vote Labour because they are going to deliver infrastructure? Stupid MSM thinks so!!!
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February 2, 2020 9:25am
- Nutta
  
  They have announced infrastructure. They haven’t delivered. They need the Greens to continue their socialists regime. Roading infrastructure will be negotiated away to appease Greens And form coalition. No new roads for you!
  
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  February 2, 2020 10:07am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Anything Labour has announced is a big fat nothing.
    
    Labour has been blaming National for everything since they were in opposition. Since they got into power, they have been crying wolf on all things they promised before the election.
    
    This infrastructure is no different, especially since it is planned to start after the election, and much of it after the 2023 election.
    
    Vague hollow promises to reinstate what they canned from the already in progress infrastructure projects. You cannot be excited about that.
    
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    February 2, 2020 10:45am
- Sydney Alvarado
  
  But they spent all the petrol excise on rubbish and then will need to borrow for the roads.
  
  TBH I would like to see a massive road building programme in New Zealand that extends for 20 years. That is why Australia now has roads that are vastly different to those of 40 years ago. Their road programmes have broad support.
  
  In New Zealand we lurch around based on the weird obsessions of individual ministers. The country will be f***ed if we keep that up yet it is most likely.
  
  I see the climate strike school kids have come out wailing about roads with JAG cheering them on.
  
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  February 2, 2020 10:54am
Diversity Supremacist

Lets talk about about Event 201.

The Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security in partnership with the World Economic Forum and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation hosted Event 201.

In October 2019 Event 201 was a pandemic simulation based on you guessed it…the Corona virus.

You can read about here..

http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/

And you can laugh at their statement saying it was just a “coincidence” here…

http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/newsroom/center-news/2020-01-24-Statement-of-Clarification-Event201.html
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February 2, 2020 9:27am
- NK
  
  The latest reports say that the epidemiology of the virus confirms it was introduced to the Wuhan seamarket by humans.
  
  It didn’t eminate from there.
  
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  February 2, 2020 9:39am
  - Ed Snack
    
    I think above Maggy has a link to a twitter thread that rather debunks the engineering narrative. Not to say that it is wrong but that the pre-print paper isn’t solid enough to draw conclusions about the genetic make up of the virus.
    
    I would be treating al, such claims with considerable skepticism until some better information comes to hand. Not dismiss it because there still are troubling issues, but not go full on conspiracy promoting.
    
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    February 2, 2020 10:51am
  - Pharmachick
    
    This virus is almost certainly not engineered. If it was, it would be better.
    
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    February 2, 2020 4:04pm
- JackRabbit
  
  Due to massive surveillance, “Those in the know” usually get wind of emerging threats long before the public.
  
  Probably the same reason why FEMA task forces were activated and onsite in New York a day before the 911 attacks.
  
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  February 2, 2020 9:51am
  - Stephieboy2
    
    “Probably the same reason why FEMA task forces were activated and onsite in New York a day before the 911 attacks.”
    
    I beg your pardon?
    
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    February 2, 2020 10:13am
    - JackRabbit
      
      “I beg your pardon?”
      
      Did you belch or fart?
      
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      February 2, 2020 10:37am
    - Diversity Supremacist
      
      Fighter pilots were doing training for a terrorist attack using planes on buildings the same morning as 9/11, this is just common knowledge of facts stephie.
      
      Just look away steph it’s all ‘coincidence’
      
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      February 2, 2020 10:47am
  - Diversity Supremacist
    
    Christchurch police were training for a terrorist attack on a mosque 2 hours before it happened, they had just finished the training 15 minutes before Tarrant opened fire.
    
    Read this and roll your eyes…
    
    “Thanks to a police training course the same day as the Christchurch terrorist attack, specialist staff from overseas, as well as New Zealand’s Defence Force, were on hand to help.”
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111404324/global-expert-sharpshooters-were-training-in-the-city-just-as-the-christchurch-mosque-shooting-unfolded
    
    Hilarious. They just mock us in plain sight.
    
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    February 2, 2020 10:24am
    - JackRabbit
      
      And eyewitnesses spotted another person in the car with Tarrant, not far from the Mosque, prior to the shooting.
      
      Lone gunman eh!
      
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      February 2, 2020 11:58am
- Stephieboy2
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Batsoup on the menu in Wuhan?
  
  False!
  
  “Misinformation was a threat to democracy before, but now it’s a public health concern, and social-media platforms are woefully unprepared.”
  
  Scouring through social-media platforms for information about the novel coronavirus—a disease that originated in Wuhan, China, in December and has since spread to 20 other countries and territories—it doesn’t take long to see that disinformation (the deliberate kind), misinformation (the inadvertent kind) and xenophobia are rife. Crisis really brings out the worst of social media.
  One of the more popular false claims is that the virus was spread via bat soup, a so-called local delicacy. A video of a woman eating bat soup ‘in Wuhan’ went viral and was even picked up by several news outlets around the world.
  
  But it turns out the video wasn’t filmed in Wuhan at all—where bat soup isn’t even a delicacy, it turns out. In fact, it wasn’t even filmed in China. And bat soup has been categorically ruled out as the cause of the outbreak.
  
  Regardless, claims like this have fuelled a dangerous and harmful anti-China rhetoric on social media. Where most countries in the throngs of a crisis that has so far killed more than 200 people attract sympathy and well-wishes online, Chinese people have been subjected to racism and xenophobia.
  
  https://www.prweek.com/article/1672576/misinformation-hate-infect-social-media-users-alongside-coronavirus
  
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  February 2, 2020 10:11am
  - Diversity Supremacist
    
    It was just a meme. Oh look nothing about Chinas xenophobia on putting 1 million muslims into concentration camps.
    
    Imagine my shock that you don’t care about the systematic Eugenic rape of the muslim minority by the Chinese government.
    
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    February 2, 2020 10:50am
- Stephieboy2
  
  Diversity Supremacist,
  
  “In October 2019 Event 201 was a pandemic simulation based on you guessed it…the Corona virus.”
  
  A coincidence!. Other coronaviruses include SARS. MERS etc
  
  https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/types.html
  
  Exercises and simulations of this kind are not unknown. In fact quite common internationally!
  
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  February 2, 2020 10:17am
  - Diversity Supremacist
    
    You truly believe everything people in power tell you huh? Communist governments, billionaires, big pharma, media really have Stephies best interests at heart, they really do care about Stephies well being, they would never lie to Stephie.
    
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    February 2, 2020 10:45am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Hmmm, but it certainly is correct that two of the more threatening outbreaks that have erupted but been contained over the past couple of years have been “Corona” viruses – SARS and MERS. And MERS in particular had a very high death rate. So if one was to simulate as part of a training exercise a viral outbreak, then using a Corona virus as the culprit is perfectly reasonable.
      
      One can get too immersed in conspiracies.
      
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      February 2, 2020 10:55am
      - Diversity Supremacist
        
        It was called a conspiracy for years talking about Epstein being a child rapist.
        
        There were people in the 80’s who tried to warn people about a CIA child pedo trafficking ring, its now fact known as “the finders” children get raped and die when people use the word ‘conspiracy’.
        
        People can get to immersed in the ministry of truth.
        
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        February 2, 2020 11:15am
- mikenmildagain
  
  It’s a conspiracy, I tells ya…
  
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  February 2, 2020 10:27am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Do you reckon the NZ Herald should stop publishing such conspiracy tales?
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12304087
    
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    February 2, 2020 11:30am
    - NoCash
      
      A Stuff article had a dig at it already.
      http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/119172934/bat-soup-and-biological-weapons–how-strange-stories-about-the-coronavirus-spread?cid=app-android
      
      The author is probably on the CCP payroll if you ask chaos… ;-p
      
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      February 2, 2020 4:26pm
- MCos
  
  From that link
  “In recent years, the world has seen a growing number of epidemic events, amounting to approximately 200 events annually. These events are increasing, and they are disruptive to health, economies, and society. Managing these events already strains global capacity, even absent a pandemic threat. Experts agree that it is only a matter of time before one of these epidemics becomes global—a pandemic with potentially catastrophic consequences.”
  
  So what are you saying, DS?
  These people orchestrated the epidemic?
  
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  February 2, 2020 10:48am
  - Diversity Supremacist
    
    A Harvard Professor was arrested along with 2 Chinese nationals for smuggling bio samples into China, in early December.
    
    This Harvard professor just happened to be one of the founders of the bio-lab in Wuhan.
    
    I’m not saying anything i’m just gathering facts based on timelines of events.
    
    Because the media don’t ever investigate anything anymore they just scream “racism” from the late in their parnell coffee shop on their laptop.
    
    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/harvard-university-professor-and-two-chinese-nationals-charged-three-separate-china-related
    
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    February 2, 2020 10:57am
    - JackRabbit
      
      “This Harvard professor just happened to be one of the founders of the bio-lab in Wuhan.”
      
      Who was paid US$50K a month and received over $1.5M from the Chinese.
      
      Not only that but one of the Chinese Nationals was in the US illegally, and a member of the CCCP
      
      “Ye had accessed U.S. military websites, researched U.S. military projects and compiled information for the PLA on two U.S. scientists with expertise in robotics and computer science. Furthermore, a review of a WeChat conversation revealed that Ye and the other PLA official from NUDT were collaborating on a research paper about a risk assessment model designed to decipher data for military applications. During the interview, Ye admitted that she held the rank of Lieutenant in the PLA and admitted she was a member of the CCP”
      
      This fuels the fire for Russia who are maintaining that the CoronaVirus was designed in the USA. A claim that many in China had stated over the SARS virus.
      
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      February 3, 2020 7:44am
-D

Steven Joyce’s overview on national roading and road planning is excellent.

Stuff opinion:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/119206450/letss-get-building-highways–steven-joyce

Where are the people in this government (or elsewhere for that matter) who can think and explain things so clearly?
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February 2, 2020 9:41am
Ruahine

Things in the EU otherwise known as the Socialist Paradise are looking a little ragged.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1236667/Germany-news-Berlin-riots-latest-video-police-clash-Antifa-rally-arrest
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February 2, 2020 9:45am
Swifty

For those who are interested – a nice little 2-parter from Fieldsports Britain who visited here in 2018.

It looks at our deer industry, the history of it, how we manage our herds and lessons for Scotland based on our approach here in NZ.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf3ZFk5KUaY
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February 2, 2020 9:48am
Clyde

Anyone else see a TV ad last night which included a happy “family” group at a barbeque where two guys indulge in a bit of tongue kissing?
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February 2, 2020 9:48am
- JackRabbit
  
  It is rare to watch any movie or series these days, where there is no LGBTQIXU action.
  
  Mainstream Media – brainwashing and indoctrinating young minds, since forever.
  
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  February 2, 2020 10:30am
- lifesgood
  
  Yeah, gross.
  
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  February 2, 2020 11:58am
Ruahine

The latest news from Mars.
https://www.rt.com/news/479860-mars-polar-ice-collapse-photo/
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February 2, 2020 9:57am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Bugger, must be Climate Change….
  
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  February 2, 2020 10:23am
  - Ultima
    
    And humans are to blame.
    
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    February 2, 2020 11:00am
    - NoCash
      
      Absolutely, Matt Damon in particular with all the potato making and farting.
      
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      February 2, 2020 4:07pm
- JackRabbit
  
  Shyte. Mars has Climate Change out of fear of Man arriving!
  
  Greta should be all over this. Mind you she can probably see the CO2 on Mars by remote.
  
  “We now see natural climate movement on Mars, so Climate Change does occur without man’s involvement. I apologise to the world for getting it wrong, attacking world leaders, and brainwashing and terrorising the children of the World with my Doomsday predictions. I got it wrong.
  -Humbly apologetic, Greta.”
  
  Yeah right, like that will ever happen. Crack open another TUI.
  
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  February 2, 2020 10:37am
  - Fletch
    
    I think we should send Greta to investigate, along with other climate scientists – on a very slow spaceship…
    
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    February 2, 2020 12:49pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      Why waste a spaceship? Send her off to plant trees for Jacinda.
      
      Or failing that, working in a Fish and Chip shop, where can learn some sole, and not be so much of a snapper.
      
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      February 2, 2020 1:19pm
rightoverlabour

Trump – Enjoy

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-democrats-defeated
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February 2, 2020 10:23am
- Fletch
  
  Tucker interviewed Devon Nunes though, who told Tucker the bad news. That the Democrats won’t give up…
  
  “I actually have some bad news for you tonight, Tucker on Friday night. The problem is this isn’t going to end. I just can’t imagine that Adam Schiff, after three and a half years of this nonsense — and Jerry Nadler — are not going to continue this, right? They are going to go back and subpoena John Bolton. We’re going to have the same exact thing that you have been seeing for the last three and a half years. I just think you should prepare.”
  
  “We thought once Mueller collapsed completely, we thought, ‘okay, we’re going to get on to business. And then out of nowhere this Ukraine hoax appeared. And, look, this really is a hoax. This was Adam Schiff and his staff concocting this all together with people that all know each other. All these people know each other that concocted this stupid Ukraine hoax that we have been dealing with for the last week in the Senate. So anyway, bad news for you tonight. I bet even after the acquittal we’re gonna be working on this.”
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcNjyClPUvk
  
  Schiff and his cadre are totally corrupt and will not stop.
  
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  February 2, 2020 12:55pm
Stephieboy2

More on anti chinese sentiment sweeping the world in wake of the Coronovirus ,

“As The Coronavirus Spreads, So Does Racism — Both Against And Within Asian Communities”

“Mid this week, I got off the bus at my usual bus stop at the end of the day. As I headed to my apartment, a group of men shouted while looking in my direction, “see that Japanese chick over there? Stay away from her if you don’t want to get the coronavirus!”

This sentiment was wrong on so many levels. One, I am Korean-American. Two, the coronavirus originated in Wuhan, China — I am a Brooklyn resident who hasn’t traveled overseas in recent months. I am no more likely than anyone in that group to be carrying the virus. And lastly, the xenophobic words of the group of men reaffirmed Western culture’s treacherous habit of grouping all people of Asian descent into the same ethnicity…”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarahkim/2020/01/30/coronavirus-racism-asian-communities/#73439fb62865

Recall the Chinese living in NZ live with us and are us !

I would add Chinese Students from China!
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February 2, 2020 10:28am
- Diversity Supremacist
  
  JUST EAT THE BAT SOUP YOU BIGOT!
  
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  February 2, 2020 11:03am
  - Stephieboy2
    
    Bat Soup, A Secret Vaccine, Thousands Dead? The Coronavirus Myths We Need To Shut Down
    
    “The little-understood nature of the virus has allowed disinformation – and racism – to flourish. Here’s what we know.”
    
    1. The coronavirus outbreak was manufactured by the pharmaceutical industry to flog a vaccine.
    2. 112,000 people have died, and more than 2m have been infected.
    
    3. The virus spread as a result of people eating bat soup
    
    ( Gutter Sun and Daily Mail etc stuff)
    
    4. China is digging mass graves
    
    ( China phobic stuff of the worst kind)
    
    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/coronavirus-myths-bat-soup-hospitals-vaccine_uk_5e2eab48c5b6d6767fd7faae?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAAdileGkJd5wF2WUyLN2WczMHrEb5oQyboz8ljo814CS10S0JSnJT9VVNhgg_VIatAoB1tF1OqVBYaDCOb1uELnHbrTfiUccWKV3i3vOiGEqaI-ppc8Xic9L2bmFd6pQLzoeRlNn3Rk6jwvIFyfrcix5UStuhImJVmj936Ohwyw8
    
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    February 2, 2020 11:32am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Go and complain to the NZ Herald then…
      
      So the chances of it having made the transition into humans through means such as bat soup appear to be very much the most likely scenario.
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12304087
      
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      February 2, 2020 11:57am
      - Stephieboy2
        
        MW , Batsoup is not on the menu in Wuhan. Try someting like Camel human transmission as in the MERS virus!
        
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        February 2, 2020 12:11pm
      - chaos
        
        Never been to Wuhan have you, doubt you’ve ever been to China.
        
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        February 2, 2020 1:18pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      Nothing is a myth if it is true, or not yet disproved or ruled out.
      
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      February 2, 2020 12:11pm
    - Diversity Supremacist
      
      >here’s what we know
      
      >the huffington post
      
      lol
      
      You got anymore rabid left wing publications to get your ‘facts’ from?
      
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      February 2, 2020 12:32pm
Stephieboy2

For KBs underwhelming UFOologists ,

“Strange lights seen over New Zealand part of a growing issue for astronomers”

An American company’s satellites triggered a flurry of excitement on local social media last night.

People reported seeing strange lights in the sky but an Auckland astronomer says the explanation is relatively mundane.

Grant Christie, of the Stardome Observatory, says sunlight was being reflected from hundreds of satellites being launched to deliver broadband internet.

He says the number and brightness of satellites launched by companies such as SpaceX and OneWeb is becoming a problem for some astronomers.

SpaceX has so far launched 240 satellites as part of what it says will be 12,000 orbiting earth.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/408656/strange-lights-seen-over-new-zealand-part-of-a-growing-issue-for-astronomers
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February 2, 2020 10:39am
- chaos
  
  No idiot boy any ufologist and amateur astronomer knows all about starlink and where satellites and such are at any given time, I realise you are too stupid to know the basics.
  
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  February 2, 2020 11:03am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Never seen a satellite do a 90° turn at what must have been about 10 – 20,000 miles per second. (5-10% of light speed) Seen other objects do it though. Must have been squid boats in the sky.
    
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    February 2, 2020 11:23am
    - Stephieboy2
      
      JackRabbit, you can argue that one by ringing Grant Christie at the Stardome.
      
      I think he is more than capable putting your batshit 90 degrees stuff in its place!
      
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      February 2, 2020 11:34am
      - JackRabbit
        
        So was he present on the days I saw it? Which days, dates and times are you referring to that he was present?
        
        You can’t argue an event didn’t happen if you were not there to witness it. That’s just dumb!
        
        Police: “We have 3 eye witnesses that saw you shoot the victim in the head, outside the local pub, leading to his death. What do you have to say?”
        
        Dumb Criminal: “Ah well I’ll produce 3 mates who weren’t outside the local pub, and therefore didn’t see me shooting the victim. There solved it for you. It wasn’t me.”
        
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        February 2, 2020 12:17pm
      - Stephieboy2
        
        JackRabbit,
        
        “So was he present on the days I saw it?
        
        Elaborate with photos please?
        
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        February 2, 2020 12:30pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @Stephieboy2
        
        You have already stated that Grant Christie can disprove it, that he can see things when he is not there. It is up to you to present evidence. You are the one piously claiming my statement was false.
        
        I was there. You weren’t and neither was Grant Christie. You don’t believe anything like that is possible, so you have to try and discredit and disprove anyone who says it is.
        
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        February 2, 2020 1:28pm
  - Stephieboy2
    
    chaos , now since when has one landed in your backyard of local park?
    
    LOL
    
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    February 2, 2020 11:37am
    - chaos
      
      Well since you are obviously from Uranus when did you land
      
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      February 2, 2020 12:16pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        A special case of disappearing up and reappearing from Uranus, head intact.
        
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        February 2, 2020 12:19pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      “now since when has one landed in your backyard of local park”
      
      Your statement presumes that if they did exist that:
      
      a) They would announce themselves and send the world into a panic.
      b) They would land in a local park.
      
      I would be very concerned if they did land in a local park. Considering the implications and proximity and the intimidation it would represent, it would be tantamount to gate crashing.
      
      Imagine an old long lost school friend dropping by unannounced, parking his stretch Hummer on your carefully manicured front lawn. Would that be intimating?
      
      Landing any closer than the moon would be an act of an aggressive bully. Thinking things through does not appear to be a strong point with you.
      
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      February 2, 2020 1:41pm
      - chaos
        
        Imagine you find life on another planet, you get there and discover they have endless wars. Rape, murder and abuse their own children. I know let’s land in their park. And worse imagine on that planet that there have been countless episodes as detailed by military personal where they have shot down your craft. They might come in peace but humans sure as hell don’t know what peace is
        
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        February 2, 2020 2:29pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @chaos
        
        Perhaps that’s how the early Settlers saw NZ.
        
        Reminds me of the original “The Day the Earth Stood Still” from 1951. The 2008 version was nothing like the original.
        
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        February 2, 2020 5:24pm
Manolo

The nutters never rest…
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/greens-take-aim-at-road-loaded-infrastructure-plan-carving-out-a-new-lane/ar-BBZyo17
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February 2, 2020 10:55am
- kevn
  
  @Manolo… The parking consultant is dead set on electric cars as well, the ones the use… roads.
  Oh and produce buckets of pollution along with child work/slavery in creating the batteries for said cars.
  
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  February 2, 2020 11:11am
- chaos
  
  the greens should stand up for their beliefs and pull the government down.
  
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  February 2, 2020 12:00pm
  - Tall Man
    
    And lose the limos, the free travel and the associated perks… oh and have get a job….. not on your nellie.
    
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    February 2, 2020 12:52pm
    - chaos
      
      Yeah but that free travel is in planes and vehicles that are killing the planet, surely they wouldn’t use them…..
      
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      February 2, 2020 1:17pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Real Socialism.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/9qn59536he6d3sd/real%20socialism.jpg?dl=0
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February 2, 2020 10:58am
- Stephieboy2
  
  Where will Jacinda put all those skulls?
  
  LOL
  
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  February 2, 2020 11:35am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    With yours, I mean your one is also empty isn’t it?
    Steve, don’t feed the troll!
    
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    February 2, 2020 4:06pm
- JackRabbit
  
  Thats the argument socialist apologists use as to why socialism in Russia and China, and National Socialism (Fascism) in Germany ended up in atrocities and genocide – it wasn’t real socialism.
  
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  February 2, 2020 12:04pm
  - Stephieboy2
    
    National ” Socialism” is not the same meaning that Russian and Chinese commos would understand it!
    
    “Nazism, socialism and the falsification of history”
    
    The “socialism” in the name National Socialism was a strategically chosen misnomer designed to attract working class votes where possible, …
    
    https://www.abc.net.au/religion/nazism-socialism-and-the-falsification-of-history/10214302
    
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    February 2, 2020 12:32pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      “The “socialism” in the name National Socialism was a strategically chosen misnomer designed to attract working class votes where possible, …”
      
      Promises of handouts, eliminating poverty, 100,000 houses, 1,000,000,000 trees, no tax increases, etc etc all in an attempt to attract working class votes… And then to pass draconian laws.
      
      Nothing changes eh!
      
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      February 2, 2020 1:07pm
    - Diversity Supremacist
      
      You are correct. Fascism is the complete opposite of Socialism. It is the antidote to socialism. It was a political strategy by the NSDAP. The party itself removed the term ‘socialist’ a couple of times in the early 20’s it went from German socialist workers party to just German workers party, the debate on using the term continued right to the end.
      
      Social welfare is socialism yet somehow this is fine with anti-socialists.
      
      Nationalism isn’t a tool or ideology, it’s a biological drive of those with common blood to bond together in the struggle for survival. It’s the same drive a mother has to protect her children. The same drive a man has to protect his family from invaders.
      
      I hate to tell you but you have absolutely nothing in common with with anyone who eats bat soup 5000 miles away. You may as well be a martian.
      
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      February 2, 2020 1:39pm
  - Stephieboy2
    
    “…Joseph Goebbels, who would eventually become Reich Minister of Propaganda once the Nazi Party seized control of Germany, wrote in his diary about Hitler’s rejection of socialism at that 1926 meeting, “I feel as if someone had knocked me on the head … my heart aches so much. … A horrible night! Surely one of the greatest disappointments of my life…”
    
    https://www.vox.com/2019/3/27/18283879/nazism-socialism-hitler-gop-brooks-gohmert
    
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    February 2, 2020 12:39pm
    - Diversity Supremacist
      
      Yes most socialists within the party were murdered on the night of the long knives, Mao used this same trick to be-freind Chinese Nationalists then murdered them in the hundred flowers campaign.
      
      Undoubtedly the 2 ideology’s are linked to murder but nothing that ‘democracy’ hasn’t done either. Democracy has killed just as many as both regimes, and it’s still killing today.
      
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      February 2, 2020 2:01pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        This trick happens with all socialism that advances. Socialism is a stepping stone to communism and/or fascism.
        
        While communism and fascism have minor differences, in terms of government control and dictatorship, they are no different. It is the imposition of un-elected leaders’ ideas on the people, with a monopoly on force to ensure the people comply.
        
        The MSM however have indoctrinated the populace to believe that Fascism is right and Communism is left.
        
        In reality Fascism and Communism occupy the same political space. Socialists, who welcome in the hard line commies, are usually the first to be executed, as in the Night of the Long Knives, and in the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in 1979.
        
        When a socialist government is overrun with communism, socialists realise what the communists are delivering is not their socialist utopia. The socialists then become the second most dangerous force to be eradicated alongside those who oppose communism.
        
        The other version of this is that to make Socialism work, it requires force to get compliance, so the socialist Government through gradualism, becomes a dictatorship. Call it communist, call it Fascist, it really doesn’t matter what you call it, it is compliance to the leaders wishes at the end of a gun.
        
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        February 2, 2020 5:41pm
David Garrett

Mike Moore has died. As his wife says: “probably New Zealand’s last blue collar Prime Minister”. (he was PM for 59 days prior to the 1990 election).

I only met him once, but my friend Roger Douglas had a lot of time for him. He certainly served New Zealand very well.
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February 2, 2020 11:02am
- chaos
  
  Dear downticker, do you have no soul, no compassion at all to realise your actions show your lack of respect towards Mike Moore.
  
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  February 2, 2020 11:09am
  - alex Masterley
    
    Iti is a pity I can only give one tick. The down ticker has serious problems and should get help.
    
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    February 2, 2020 11:48am
    - Tall Man
      
      No problem, we’ll kick a few in to help 🙂
      
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      February 2, 2020 12:51pm
- Swifty
  
  I quite liked him.
  
  I think it was Muldoon who labelled him ‘The Minister of Overseas Talk’.
  
  Heh.
  
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  February 2, 2020 11:12am
- MrTips
  
  Plughead will be sad – Mike was his mentor. By all accounts, Mike did what he thought best for the country, despite partisan leanings. RIP.
  
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  February 2, 2020 11:14am
- alex Masterley
  
  I was sadened to read of Mike Moores passing.
  I didn’t have much time for his politics but in comparison to the current lot, who I doubt he could identify with, he was a man of principal and mana.
  Via con dios Mike.
  
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  February 2, 2020 11:17am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    He seems to have endorsed Jacinda.
    
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    February 2, 2020 4:12pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  A good bloke. An excellent Ambassador to the US and head of the WTP I think.
  
  It is amazing he lived this long as he had a very bad dose of cancer many years ago.
  
  Bloody sight better pollie than the present group of losers in the Labour Party
  
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  February 2, 2020 11:18am
  - David Garrett
    
    fighting: According to the Horrid, he had survived three bouts of cancer during his life…and then the stroke in 2015. Very lucky to have made 71.
    
    As I said above, I only ever met him once, at a lunch with Roger, but he seemed to be a pretty good bloke to me. I remember when Clark deposed him (she was his deputy)…the coldness in her eyes when they both appeared on TV and he vainly sought to get her endorsement.
    
    He had got a hospital pass from The Goose just prior to the 1990 election, and damn near won it as I recall…none of that meant a thing to Madam Cold Heart…she wanted the job, and he could just get fucked.
    
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    February 2, 2020 11:29am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Ah, the language of misogyny.
      
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      February 2, 2020 12:32pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Are we allowed to mention lamb burgers these days?
  
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/lifestyle/7479061/Anzco-lamb-burgers-on-menu
  
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  February 2, 2020 11:39am
- pdm
  
  I recall some one saying of Mike Moore that he had a new idea every minute.
  
  It may have been Lange that said it but I am not certain on that.
  
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  February 2, 2020 11:47am
- curry4me
  
  RIP, Mike. He was the only Labour MP I’d have considered voting for post 1996 when ACT was formed. Pity he didn’t join.
  
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  February 2, 2020 12:38pm
MrTips

Not content with coronavirus, China now has had to cull 17,800 chooks after a farm got infected with H5N1 bird flu, resulting in over half the farm herd dying. https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3048566/china-reports-outbreak-deadly-bird-flu-among-chickens-hunan

All this right next to Hubei.

Lockdown. We need to ban China travellers like the USA, Aussie and others.
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February 2, 2020 11:12am
- GoVege
  
  Good to see a Chinese doctor saying that the Chinese have to examine their attitudes to the food they eat.
  Markets with live snakes, bats and other exotic animals are no doubt the source of some of these terrible diseases.
  
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  February 2, 2020 1:11pm
mikenmildagain

Is ‘Diversity Supremacist’ new here? His themes seems familiar…
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February 2, 2020 11:16am
- JackRabbit
  
  “His themes seems familiar…”
  
  Truth always seem familiar to those that only bump into it on rare occasions like an old friend we haven’t seen since high school.
  
  Oh shock horror…
  
  Maybe more then one person understands the truth.
  
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  February 2, 2020 11:29am
  - Stephieboy2
    
    If you say so “Flying Saucer “watcher and other related arcane and silly conspiracy theories!
    
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    February 2, 2020 12:08pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      “CIA Document 1035-960 played a definitive role in making the ‘conspiracy theory’ term a weapon to be wielded against almost any individual or group calling the government’s increasingly clandestine programs and activities into question.”
      
      Stephie, are you brainwashed?
      
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      February 2, 2020 12:59pm
      - Diversity Supremacist
        
        Stephieboy is a right wing conspiracy to make the left look dumber than the are.
        
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        February 2, 2020 2:28pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Getting very meta – a conspiracy theory about conspiracy theories!
        
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        February 2, 2020 3:29pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @Diversity Supremacist
        
        No, Stephie is either on someones payroll, or is simply confused but having found the internet and google, is able to copy and paste information he finds that agrees with his bias. I say information because there is a vast difference between information and intelligence.
        
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        February 2, 2020 6:16pm
- chaos
  
  Na, they’ve been banned a few times under different names
  
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  February 2, 2020 12:13pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Certainly sounds like one of the Keas. Let’s ask him about the Jews…
    
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    February 2, 2020 12:26pm
- Diversity Supremacist
  
  Is there a theme here that one needs to follow?
  
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  February 2, 2020 12:49pm
Paulus

I met Mike More few times – he was a great guy and I am a Nats supported.
Not accepted by the Labour Intelligentsia though too normal.
Aside, is Sweetcheeks being promoted to replace Ardern when she gets hammered in September.
Some in today’s media appear to have this on their tracks, as he is a great Finance Minister – one of the best they say ?
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February 2, 2020 11:19am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Mike Moore won Eden in 1972. I cannot recall the name of the dickwit National put up. Sometimes the National Party’s selection system throws up a loser.
  Why am I thinking of Botany?
  
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  February 2, 2020 11:44am
  - Swifty
    
    Mary Kidd.
    
    Profiled here:
    
    https://broadsheet.auckland.ac.nz/docs/1972/Broadsheet-1972-004a.pdf
    
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    February 2, 2020 11:56am
Stephieboy2

DG, in your inimitable , quite! A remarkable character on the political landscape ( Printer by trade) who had to battle Hogkins disease at one stage.

He fought tenaciously for NZ Trade internationally

A great bloke RIP
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February 2, 2020 11:23am
- marcw
  
  SB, since you seem to know everything, perhaps we could dispense with the interweb? Unfortunately in your haste to prove how wrong you usually are, Mike Moore did not recover from Hogkins (sic) disease, but was successfully treated after developing testicular cancer at a relatively youngish age, and remained in remission.
  
  An affliction you need have no fear of SB.
  
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  February 2, 2020 11:38am
  - Stephieboy2
    
    marcw, this comment states differently,
    
    “..Moore has spent almost his entire life in the party – and it has been an extraordinary life. He left school at 14. He became an MP at 23. At 30 he got cancer and was given months to live and at 40 he was given eight weeks to save a government”
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/91532683/the-9th-floor-mike-moore-and-the-trouble-he-sees-in-labour…
    
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    February 2, 2020 12:47pm
    - chaos
      
      You cannot read can you. He had testicular cancer
      
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      February 2, 2020 2:26pm
- cmm
  
  Stephie: “A great bloke”
  
  So did Auntie do the right thing when she shanked him?
  
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  February 2, 2020 1:36pm
Clyde

Only met him a few times. Wife Yvonne was fronting a Chch TV programme – one of the kids programmes I think at the time. Gave me the impression of a very energetic mind and a really nice guy. Honest as the day is long.
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February 2, 2020 11:38am
- Swifty
  
  Miss Yvonne and her magic mirror, Romper Room.
  
  Giggity!
  
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  February 2, 2020 12:24pm
cmm

RNZ saying that Moore’s greatest fear a few years back was that he would not see another Labour government.

Well according to Winston he didn’t. WP insists it is not a Labour government and not even a “Labour led” government.
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February 2, 2020 11:42am
Rich Prick

For a good summary of Nancy’s monumental cock up:

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/02/01/nolte-impeachment-proves-nancy-pelosi-is-an-idiot/
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February 2, 2020 11:46am
- MrTips
  
  Pelosi is a barely functioning alcoholic. Trump winning hopefully will the end of her and the rag tag nutters the Dems are putting up.
  
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  February 2, 2020 11:57am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Struggles to string two coherent sentences together.
    I sometimes drink heavily, but I don’t get that snackered
    
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    February 2, 2020 12:19pm
- fernglas
  
  As always, with politics, the truth is the victim. If Pelosi had subpoenaed witnesses and allowed the judicial process to run its course, the Democrats would not have been stuck like a shag on a rock when they got to the Senate. On the other hand, the Republicans had certainly made their minds up in advance that the merits were largely irrelevant. It’s really the antithesis of how a democracy should be run.
  
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  February 2, 2020 11:57am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Exactly. For anything less than high crimes the ballot box should be the means. Unless of course you just don’t trust the voters. I hope the Dems get thoroughly spanked for their contempt for the American voter.
    
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    February 2, 2020 12:19pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Would you attempt the Dems presentation in a NZ Court?
    
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    February 2, 2020 3:20pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Pelosi – $15000 of gold plated Mont Blanc pens.
  Trump – $15 worth of sharpies.
  That is the difference between a socialist and a conservative. She got her arse trolled by a master
  
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  February 2, 2020 12:16pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLROgqAjDhQ
China Coronavirus: Blame and Coverups. Looks like Wuhan isn’t the Politburos favourite city.
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February 2, 2020 12:02pm
chaos

[There is the facility to email the blog, either via the email address at the bottom of the page, or further addresses in the complaints information section – mod]
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February 2, 2020 12:03pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlKLfAH4Wws

Mainstream Media’s Lies About Brexit EXPOSED. Denial is a river in Egypt. Remoaners are now rejoiners.
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February 2, 2020 12:03pm
Old White Loser

This in Stuff on Friday detailing name suppression for a 52-year-old because his father was a former NZ Sports Coach and naming him would cause his father hardship.

At what stage in life do people take responsibility for there own actions?

Name suppression should go except in names of victims.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/119184791/former-sports-figures-son-keeps-name-secret-after-drug-offending
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February 2, 2020 12:08pm
- cmm
  
  My great, great, grandfather was a Prime Minister.
  
  Dya reckon I’m safe?
  
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  February 2, 2020 12:28pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Why, what have you done?
    
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    February 2, 2020 12:30pm
    - cmm
      
      Sorry I can’t tell you… name suppression and all that.
      
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      February 2, 2020 1:01pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Depends on which side of the political front he was 😉
    
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    February 2, 2020 12:37pm
  - cmm
    
    Ummm, forgot to mention he was conservative… That wouldn’t change anything would it?
    
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    February 2, 2020 12:37pm
JackRabbit

Who builds a bio-hazard research facility in the middle of a city?
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February 2, 2020 12:08pm
- fernglas
  
  Um, the ESR?
  
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  February 2, 2020 12:34pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    Yep, scientists playing God!
    
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    February 2, 2020 1:09pm
- Stephieboy2
  
  JackRabbit, where did you source that from as a matter of interest?
  
  BTW evidently Bat soup is not on the menu in Wuhan!
  
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  February 2, 2020 12:49pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    Are banned from Google as well?
    
    https://www.livescience.com/china-lab-meets-biosafety-levels-new-coronavirus.html
    
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    February 2, 2020 1:15pm
    - Stephieboy2
      
      Much like CDC ,
      
      1600 Clifton Rd, Atlanta, GA 30333,
      
      United States
      
      BTW,
      
      The Wuhan Virus Is Not a Lab-Made Bioweapon
      
      Conspiracy theories are spreading faster than the coronavirus itself.
      
      https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/01/29/coronavirus-china-lab-mortality-virology-wuhan-virus-not-bioweapon/
      
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      February 2, 2020 2:16pm
      - Diversity Supremacist
        
        You’ve been spreading the conspiracy theory that racists are everywhere because they don’t want to eat bat soup.
        
        What’s the difference?
        
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        February 2, 2020 2:34pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        The Wuhan Virus Is Not a Lab-Made Bioweapon
        Comforting. How you you know?
        
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        February 2, 2020 3:17pm
      - NoCash
        
        KevO’Brien, according to the knowledgeable commentators at Zero Hedge, the current Wuhan virus is not a bioweapon, but it’s for inoculating the Chinese people, the deaths are just unavoidable collateral damage. Wait until the real weaponised virus is to be released, we in the West have no chance.
        
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        February 2, 2020 4:46pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @Stephieboy2
        
        So you can see inside the heads of all involved and you can rule out foul play with 101% certainty.
        
        Despite the fact that foul play has been going on since since Adam and Lilith got divorced and the devil showed his snake to Eve.
        
        Despite that the fact that man has been eating all sorts of animals both raw and cooked for millions of years without so much of a mention in ancient writing or oral history.
        
        No, I think we are entering the time in evolution where some people cannot resist doing shit that will inadvertently wipe out humanity. Genetics, DNA modification, cloning, grafting human parts onto animals and vice versa. We appear to be repeating the stupid ass things that mythology indicates caused Atlantis to sink beneath the waves.
        
        Call it a flood, a Tsunami, call it Karma, or call it some fat fingered kid pressing reset for the 187th on Matrix Earth/Universe, call it nature fighting back, call it what you like, but we are not headed in the right direction. Which makes it all the more likely that some officious nerd released the virus at the beck and call of some mastermind fiend.
        
        And what “better” way to test weapons effectiveness then on live humans. Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Chicago boatyard atomic explosion, Chinese and German bio warfare, HAARP, weather warfare, and the list goes on.
        
        Nature’s biological adaptions are usually to heal, to find balance, not to kill. I could be wrong.
        
        Man tries to play God with all other technology, why is bio science any different?
        
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        February 2, 2020 6:34pm
      - Stephieboy2
        
        KevO’Brien, according to the knowledgeable commentators at Zero Hedge…”
        
        “Knowledgeable” Such as?
        
        Otherwise bollux!
        
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        February 2, 2020 7:02pm
      - Stephieboy2
        
        JackRabiit, HAARP etc??
        
        Go and see your Doctor before your delirium gets the better of you.
        
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        February 2, 2020 7:04pm
cmm

Extremely insensitive: ANZ ads show people posing with bats!

https://www.anz.co.nz/personal/
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February 2, 2020 12:29pm
- chaos
  
  They might understand better than the black caps how to use the
  
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  February 2, 2020 12:46pm
Diversity Supremacist

Related to my “watch what big business and governments do”…

Apple shuts 42 outlets in China..

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12305239

B-but it’s just the flu stop being racist.
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February 2, 2020 12:43pm
GoVege

I have been checking up on the main parties’ policies and neither Labour or National appear to have any policies on animal welfare.
The Greens have plenty, but it seems none of them have been or will be implemented any time soon…or any time ever.
And Labour’s obviously happy to send thousands of animals overseas to countries with virtually no protection for animals.
I think I might vote for that nice young fella who was concerned about women getting burned on sunbeds.
Sounds like he has a heart…..
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February 2, 2020 1:20pm
cmm

South African group want to set up cannabis colleges to help growers make money.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0zZJB1yT6I

This is being pushed in the area that used to be called Transkei and is now called Eastern Cape – an area I knew particularly well.

While I’m not a pothead myself some mates bought some dope there in the 1980s. They gave the grower R20 (about NZ$ 20 at the time) expecting to get a wee baggie as they would have in a city – enough for their holiday. Instead the grower handed over 2 supermarket plastic bags full.

The dealer most likely though he was doing a good job skinning these dumb white guys.

Of course inflation has marched on, so let’s say a supermarket bag is now worth $100 to a grower. The real markup is at the dealer level where that gets converted into $5-10k of tinnies and baggies.

So if they expect the subsistence farmers to be able to feed their families on the back of dope, they are in for a rude shock. If anything the current prices will just go down.
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February 2, 2020 1:24pm
- JackRabbit
  
  It the Eastern Cape Government – It probably wants the tax, and when they chase out the white land owners the govt can take over the operation.
  
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  February 2, 2020 6:44pm
- JackRabbit
  
  And the Chinese are moving to invest in the Eastern Cape including cannabis.
  
  https://cannabisreportworld.com/china-keen-on-investing-in-eastern-cape/
  
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  February 2, 2020 7:03pm
Swifty

As a long time erstwhile resident of Mt Albert it is distressing to see how bad things have got there since Labour took office:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12305290

The residents are so short of tucker that they’re resorting to pukeko soup!

This is in Cindy’s electorate too! Won’t she do something!

🙂
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February 2, 2020 1:45pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Does someone have the recipe for pukeko soup? There are plenty in our neighbourhood.
  
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  February 2, 2020 3:14pm
  - Swifty
    
    Fill a large pot with water, put in pukeko and old leather boot. Simmer for five hours, take out the pukeko and eat the boot.
    
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    February 2, 2020 3:37pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Just do a boilup. Takes about 3 weeks
    
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    February 2, 2020 3:40pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’d just substitute 1 pukeko for 1 fruit bat in this recipe.
    
    https://travelfoodatlas.com/fruit-bat-soup-palau
    
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    February 2, 2020 3:44pm
  - Jules99
    
    Yep, I have a book with Pukeko casserole, braised Pukeko, or Pukeko in aspic.
    
    It says for best results the birds should be hung for about 3 days. The flesh is strongly flavoured. Still it is free range I guess.
    
    Can also get you a recipe for roast black swan or Opossum stew.
    
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    February 2, 2020 4:19pm
  - cmm
    
    One pukeko
    One onion
    One horseshoe
    
    Boil until horseshoe is soft.
    Discard pukeko, eat horseshoe
    
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    February 2, 2020 4:28pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Bugger didn’t see your post….
      
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      February 2, 2020 8:42pm
  - JulieBabe
    
    Orh, I love Pukekekos they are so cute and I love their colours.
    I want to get some good photos of them.
    
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    February 2, 2020 5:28pm
    - Komata
      
      Juliebabe@1728
      
      You’re obviously not a farmer or an orchardist!
      
      Pooks are intelligent and clever and will actively (and selectively) devour things as diverse as potatoes and lemons with great enthusiasm and evident relish.
      
      They might look all loverly and pretty, but ask a farmer who has had a large amount of his crop destroyed by such creatures what he thinks of them and the answer will not be all ‘Peace, love and Mungbeans’.
      
      Canada Geese and Paradise Ducks only foul paddocks, Pukekoes go in after everything they can get their claws onto.
      
      Some don’t make it home as a result…
      
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      February 2, 2020 6:49pm
    - Tall Man
      
      In the pot or not?
      
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      February 2, 2020 7:31pm
      - rightoverlabour
        
        How to cook one.
        
        Boil in a large pot with a large stone. After 8 hours, throw out the Pukeko….
        
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        February 2, 2020 8:42pm
chaos

* Bilingual titles added. 8 bodies in 5 minutes! More are lying inside to be moved out. Somebody secretly shot this video from No. 3 Hopital in #Wuhan during #coronarovirus #武汉肺炎 *

https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1223639844829769734
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February 2, 2020 1:56pm
- chaos
  
  * Good news! Fang Bin, who shot that “five minutes 8 bodies” video was released. He said he felt police’s attitude toward him suddenly change at some stage. He guessed it was because his video had been widely circulated. He computer and cell phone was confiscated…#coronavirus*
  
  https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1223732268113584135
  
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  February 2, 2020 2:01pm
Tony Stuart

Simon Bridges has just ruled out National working with New Zealand First after the election. We can say now with certainty that a vote for NZF is a vote for Labour.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/119215711/simon-bridges-rules-out-working-with-nz-first-after-election
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February 2, 2020 2:09pm
- Swifty
  
  Peters won’t like that one bit.
  
  Good job.
  
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  February 2, 2020 2:12pm
  - chaos
    
    Neither will labour, nZ first got in with idiots from the right giving him their votes thinking he will go with national. Those votes will go back to the right and nz first will need to take labour votes to remain
    
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    February 2, 2020 2:18pm
    - Swifty
      
      Yep.
      
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      February 2, 2020 2:59pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Just watch the PTPM go full retard panic mode as she realises that she needs NZF more than ever before.
  Deals, shady deals, crook deals, shonky deals.
  H1, H2, come in please
  
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  February 2, 2020 3:46pm
  - greybeard
    
    I reckon she will announce her retirement from politics this year, before the election, so she can have more kids and change her career direction to somewhere like the UN ( with help from H1 & H2 ).
    She will not want to be the Labour PM who lost an election to Simon Bridges.
    
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    February 2, 2020 4:42pm
    - sooty
      
      I don’t think H1&2 will help they got the bums rush from there and she was all bitter and twisted!
      
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      February 2, 2020 6:16pm
  - info@cruzpro.com
    
    I politely disagree. Winston is now reliant on Labour as much as Labour has to rely on Winston. They need each other equally. Winston will not have the same bargaining power as he did in the last election. If Labour wins again (hope not), I do not believe that Winston will have the same bargaining power and ability to run the show.
    
    Furthermore, Winston did not deliver on most of his promises so hopefully the NZF party won’t get to the 5% threshold. The best he can hope for is that Labour grants him a seat.
    
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    February 2, 2020 7:17pm
Monique Watson

Good to see Bridges ruling out working with the dwarf and the rest of his untrustworthy party.
Be the end of WP this year.
Bwahahahaha.
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February 2, 2020 2:09pm
- GoVege
  
  No need to get personal, Monique.
  I doubt if either Greens or NZF will get in this year after their lacklustre performances with Labour…
  
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  February 2, 2020 4:49pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Vege for such a hateful person as him there is every reason to be personal.
    
    “what’s in it for wynston” has conducted the most personal and abusive political career and does not deserve any respect.
    
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    February 2, 2020 7:12pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Dwarf is the least obnoxious that I could think of. Feral, lying, slimey, dishonest, gormless, narcisstic, venal, petulant, …. go here for more…
    
    https://www.clarkandmiller.com/negative-personality-adjectives/
    
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    February 2, 2020 8:39pm
kevn

So, Bridges has ruled out working with NZ First. News on a Sunday afternoon.
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February 2, 2020 2:09pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I reckon that deserves a beer or 4
  
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  February 2, 2020 2:58pm
JulieBabe

They are polling now over on NZIssues.com
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February 2, 2020 3:12pm
Diversity Supremacist

Bodies of #nCoV2019 victims should be cremated close by and immediately. Burials or transfer of the bodies not allowed. Funerals not allowed to avoid spread of the virus: National Health Commission

https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/1223774570043232256

Its just the flu bro, because everybody who dies of the flu needs to be cremated immediately right?
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February 2, 2020 3:36pm
- Diversity Supremacist
  
  Ironically this was a “conspiracy theory” 2 days ago now its official from the China National Health Commission.
  
  They are cremating the bodies.
  
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  February 2, 2020 3:53pm
  - Stephieboy2
    
    Mass cremations?
    
    And according to whom? The Sun, Daily Mirror, Daily Mail etc ?
    
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    February 2, 2020 6:59pm
    - Diversity Supremacist
      
      The official China National Health organization steph.
      
      http://www.nhc.gov.cn/yzygj/s7659/202002/163c26a24057489dbf64dba359c59a5f.shtml
      
      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-says-wuhan-coronavirus-victims-who-die-should-be-quickly-cremated-without-funerals-as-death-toll-rises/ar-BBZyC4A
      
      Its seems it was only you spreading fake news that there are no cremations.
      
      How does this make you feel?
      
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      February 2, 2020 8:16pm
      - Stephieboy2
        
        304 deaths is hardly thousands touted by many gullibel conspiracy theorists
        
        “The official China National Health organization steph”
        
        Translation, please ?
        
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        February 2, 2020 10:58pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/119213944/mass-arrests-after-30-people-brawl-outside-popular-christchurch-hospitality-precinct

Christchurch: foggy, flattened and feral.
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February 2, 2020 4:39pm
- Tall Man
  
  Feisty? Or was the “fisty”…….
  
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  February 2, 2020 5:41pm
MrTips

Excellent. Travellers either from or transiting China, unless NZ citizens or permanent resident, banned as of today. This will last for 14 days minimum, reviewed every second day.

Am glad Dr Clark listened to MoH and glad Ashley had the kahunas to call it.

Appropriate, albeit late, but a good call.
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February 2, 2020 4:55pm
Maggy Wassilieff

NZ to close doors on foreign travellers from China

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/408675/nz-to-close-doors-on-foreign-travellers-from-china
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February 2, 2020 5:04pm
- NoCash
  
  Good move.
  
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  February 2, 2020 5:24pm
Maggy Wassilieff

First coronavirus death outside China

https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/southeast-asia/article/3048576/china-coronavirus-duterte-orders-travel-ban-visitors
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February 2, 2020 5:46pm
- chaos
  
  Outside of China is where we will learn the true infection and death rate
  
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  February 2, 2020 5:56pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    agreed…and probably not for a few months.
    
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    February 2, 2020 6:07pm
- Stephieboy2
  
  MW, novel coronavirus watch? Whilst your at it you might wish to resume your Melbourne crime watch.
  
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  February 2, 2020 6:51pm
  - chaos
    
    Mod how many more personal attacks against Maggy are you going to allow this person to make before you do something about it
    
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    February 2, 2020 7:21pm
  - MrTips
    
    What the hell is wrong with you? Maggy can defend herself but your contributions are just bizarre and banal.
    
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    February 2, 2020 7:25pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Go away.
    
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    February 2, 2020 8:32pm
Scooter

Just read an article on stuff, “Woman seriously injured in family harm incident in rural South Canterbury”. What exactly is family harm, a new woke term along the lines of men in our care?
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February 2, 2020 7:45pm
- chaos
  
  I’m guessing it was a term brought in under the previous government as a quick google finds the herald calling it family harm back in 2016.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11674698
  
  * Family violence is a huge priority. Every five minutes, our staff on the front line are going to an incident that involves family harm. On average, that’s 279 calls for help every day.*
  
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