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February 29, 2020 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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Andrei

Jacinda Ardern gets a good old fashioned Australian spanking.
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February 29, 2020 8:00am
- Andrew Worth
  
  I don’t understand why we’re still issuing passports to people that have spent more of their lives in Australian prisons than in New Zealand.
  
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  February 29, 2020 8:58am
  - Misha Beattie
    
    Umm because they are New Zealand citizens?
    
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    February 29, 2020 9:07am
  - peterwn
    
    If the person is a NZ citizen he/she is entitled to a NZ passport (there are some exceptions). If the NZ citizen is overseas he/she is entitled to a NZ passport or at least a NZ issued emergency travel document. If a foreign country wants to deport a NZ citizen with expired/lost/destroyed passport then diplomatic convention would require that an emergency travel document be issued at the request of the deporting nation. Failure to do this would invite retaliatory action such as tighter visa rules, etc.
    
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    February 29, 2020 9:27am
- Misha Beattie
  
  That is gold.
  
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  February 29, 2020 9:14am
- CJames
  
  Though the papers here seem to be making a big play on Jacinda and her boldness, in “The Australian”, there is no direct mention, only a cartoon making fun of her. I suspect the latter sums up the impact she has made.
  
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  February 29, 2020 10:06am
- Prince
  
  That’s an excellent summary linked above. Impossible to imagine anyone saying that here, and not causing an absolute shitstorm, being de-platformed, and forced to apologise by the Left gestapo.
  
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  February 29, 2020 10:26am
- Nickc2
  
  I watched her speech and was ashamed of her. What a pathetic little (expletive) complete with twisty faces.
  I was pleased to see Peta Credlin (Sky News Aust) give her a good serve.
  Australia has a population of 25m plus and a military to be proud of and us with a population almost 5m, many of which are not NZ citizens and a run down military and our unelected PM chooses to lecture Australian’s with an elected PM about how they should treat our citizens, what a joke.
  Come home princess, sack Peters from your cabinet, call an early election and take your chances. Do the honourable thing!
  
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  February 29, 2020 2:06pm
JibberJabber

Thomas Sowell

Politicians cannot be trusted with a monopoly of power over other people’s lives. Thousands of years of history have demonstrated this again and again.
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February 29, 2020 8:01am
tedbear

Cindy had a Greta moment yesterday with Morrison and demanding “Do not deport your people and your problems”
Morrison to the silly little girl “Get your shit together lady. This Government doesn’t deport Australians but we do deport problem NZ citizens who commit crimes against Australians. Oh and a piece of advice, get a new script writer.”
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February 29, 2020 8:03am
- Earl Dumarest
  
  According to Government figures obtained by Stuff, at least a third of the Australian residents deported to New Zealand have not stepped foot here for more than 10 years.
  
  What they don’t say is
  (a) two thirds have been in Australia for less than 10 years, and
  (b) how many of those 501’s were fleeing the law in NZ in the first place
  
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  February 29, 2020 9:05am
- John Warren
  
  It was a very poor speech she gave. She argued like a fourth form debater.
  
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  February 29, 2020 9:08am
  - Nickc2
    
    Ah, but since then (4th Form) she has learnt to wrap fish and chips. As you can see, she is well qualified to be the PM of NZ. NOT.
    However, she is well qualified for a permanent job at the UN. What job(s) are likely to take her fancy at the UN. Oh, that’s right she wants the top job, Secretary General. In that job, she can employ Winston Peters, Lorraine Dalziel plus her husband and Phil Goff as financial advisers. WHAT A TEAM.
    
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    February 29, 2020 2:35pm
DRHILL

So the media yesterday reported in gaspy breath that we have our first chronovirus.
I suspect we will have team coverage tonight with stories about people rioting on the streets and mass hysteria. /sarcasm
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February 29, 2020 8:05am
- MCos
  
  Don’t have to wait until tonight
  https://nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12312732
  
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  February 29, 2020 8:51am
Tomtoddy

How on earth can Stuff get a headline .. “Jacinda gets a win in ScoMo’s territory” out of her meeting in Sydney?? Other than some weak virtue signalling she got a thorough spanking.
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February 29, 2020 8:07am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  She got her arse handed to her on a plate, and knows it
  
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  February 29, 2020 9:13am
  - oldfella
    
    Doesn’t even need to leave home to get a good spanking these days … from an old lefty…
    “Jacinda’s white vestments may look impressive on the cover of the international edition of Time magazine, but every day Labour’s relationship with Winston Peters and NZ First continues, her ability to go on wearing them back home in New Zealand – without exciting derision – diminishes.
    It is time for the Prime Minister to wake up.”
    OUCH!
    http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com/2020/02/wake-up-call.html
    
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    February 29, 2020 9:55am
- artemisia
  
  Both playing to their respective choirs.
  
  Reminds me of Samuel Johnson’s comment when observing two people arguing from their homes across a narrow street. They will never agree, they are arguing from different premises.
  
  (Yes I know they were women, but feeling woke today. Ok not really.)
  
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  February 29, 2020 9:30am
- wilderbeast
  
  I’ll give her this, she learned a lesson from last time when she learned you can’t always speak out both sides of your mouth and expect to get away with it. But one simply cannot escape her obvious insincerity. There’s no way on god’s green earth she’s a long term prospect, she obviously lacks the necessary radar, intelligence and substance. Worse than that she’s a national embarrassment.
  
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  February 29, 2020 9:55am
- Fletch
  
  The mouse that roared….
  
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  February 29, 2020 10:39am
Pete George

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
2012: “If the Dow drops 1,000 points in two days the president should be impeached immediately.”

2015: “If the Dow Joans ever falls more than 1000 “points” in a Single Day the sitting president should be “loaded” into a very big cannon and Shot into the sun at TREMENDOUS SPEED! No excuses!

This week: ““I think the financial markets are very upset when they look at the Democrat candidates standing on that stage making fools out of themselves.”

And (of Pelosi): “She’s trying to create a panic and there’s no reason to panic because we have done so good.”

But the virus is under control: “It’s going to disappear, one day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear. You know it could get worse before it gets better, it will maybe go away, we’ll see what happens, nobody really knows.”

Except perhaps here in New Zealand – reports of panic buying in Auckland:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12312732
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February 29, 2020 8:07am
- Lee C
  
  Who will save us?
  
  Oh, I know…
  
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  February 29, 2020 8:11am
  - Tall Man
    
    Oh go hug yourself 😉
    
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    February 29, 2020 10:21am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Joans, right up there with Keys old boy . . .
  
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  February 29, 2020 8:50am
- Simon
  
  The other aspect to keep in mind about Coronavirus reporting is the utter TDS of legacy media.
  
  Many are hoping this virus knocks out the US economy which will pave way for Trumps defeat in November. Very sick people. Dems, legacy media, left and Never Trumpers
  
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  February 29, 2020 9:19am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Not going to happen. Support for Trump is too strong. Ignore the media. ‘no matter what we do, no matter what we say’
    
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    February 29, 2020 11:40am
  - Pete George
    
    “Many are hoping this virus knocks out the US economy’
    
    How many?
    
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    February 29, 2020 12:48pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Most lefties, especially the ones with TDS. Amazing how many hate Trump, but they can’t explain why – or give examples of what he has done to deserve that hate.
      Come in Mike – resident expert on ‘opinions’
      
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      February 29, 2020 2:50pm
    - Simon
      
      ” Instead, in essence, Trump walked into Iran’s trap.”
      
      https://yournz.org/2020/01/04/us-versus-iran-2/
      
      Lol. Either learn from your many many mistakes about Trump or give it up.
      
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      February 29, 2020 3:01pm
    - Michael NZ
      
      PG
      Too Many!
      
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      February 29, 2020 9:56pm
Lee C

I have an aching conscience. A few days ago, I satirically praised the recent announcement by a well-known Green MP. Golriz Ghahraman.

Based on previous examples of her making assertions which then appeared to be open to question, and annoyed by her use of her own announcement to appear to promote herself as a flag-bearer for all ‘disabled’ people, I felt, cynically, perhaps that she was making political capital from her condition. I also felt tht the timing of her announcement was suspicious, given it is an election year.

I am too cynical and hard-bitten by politics, perhaps. Perhaps I should learn to be more compassionate.

I would like to apologise to Ms Gharahman for expressing my doubts in such a passive-aggressive manner. I will not do it again.

I have known people with MS, I do sympathise.

My discussion point is: do we sometimes allow our political feelings to justify being nasty? I know I did on this occasion.
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February 29, 2020 8:10am
- Swifty
  
  Good stuff Lee C.
  
  We can leave the nasty stuff to the Left – they wallow in it.
  
  🙂
  
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  February 29, 2020 8:16am
- Pete George
  
  Good on you for reflecting on your initial reaction, and for apologising.
  
  “do we sometimes allow our political feelings to justify being nasty”
  
  Yes, that’s very common in politics, and it’s easy to get dragged down into nasty reactions – in part probably because it is seen as normal. It is even promoted as an essential part of politics (which I disagree with).
  
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  February 29, 2020 8:21am
  - Misha Beattie
    
    Agree entirely. I recall the vile personal attacks that ztev made here on Paula Bennet and Nikki Kaye. If he returns I have vowed to stop reading this blog until he is kicked out permanently.
    
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    February 29, 2020 8:29am
    - Swifty
      
      He was a nasty little fecker was old ztev and he was frequently wrong about all sorts of things.
      
      However I will say he was streets ahead of other lefty trolls who came on here – Mutton, Stiffboy, ‘R’, Gabby, The People’s Flag (FFS), Yes We Did etc etc – the left is in very poor shape if they are their champions put forward to best us.
      
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      February 29, 2020 9:26am
    - RalphT
      
      Misha, and given his track records that will be soon. He is due back from his 12 month holiday on 21 March and it should only be a matter of days before his next – permanent – suspension.
      
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      February 29, 2020 9:52am
      - Misha Beattie
        
        Yes I am aware.
        
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        February 29, 2020 10:13am
      - Tall Man
        
        ztev2 ?
        
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        February 29, 2020 10:26am
- Colville
  
  It seems that your initial reaction was factually correct tho.
  
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  February 29, 2020 8:25am
- Inandout
  
  Go flagellate yourself, you will feel better.
  
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  February 29, 2020 8:36am
- AgainstTheFlow
  
  I differ.
  
  I’m tired of right-wing people being doxxed, harassed, having careers ended, and shouted down or de-platformed.
  Those are all left-wing actions to suppress those whose opinions differ from theirs, and the right (or conservatives if you prefer) let it go un-answered for far too long.
  
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  February 29, 2020 8:45am
  - Ian Boag
    
    let it go un-answered
    
    Not on KB of course … plenty of shouting down …. 🙂
    
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    February 29, 2020 10:01am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      What would you suggest, then Ian?
      
      Should I have replied with nasty put-downs when I was smeared and abused for a couple of years non-stop by the trolls on this blog.
      
      My polite rejoinders didn’t seem to stop a troll stalking me across blogs, or stop his fellow trolls repeating his abuse that I was deranged, or posting nasty smears late at night on this blog.
      
      All suggestions thoughtfully considered.
      
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      February 29, 2020 10:19am
- Gravelroad
  
  Lee C – here’s my take on your discussion point:
  I grew up in an era when citizens, generally speaking, respected their political leaders – those they had voted for at the ballot box.
  They might have disagreed on policies, but there was still some trust that the electeds would do the correct thing (for the times) to provide intelligent governance and inclusive leadership.
  Those days are gone.
  I trust no politician.
  Far too many of them are ideological activists out to push a separatist type agenda,
  If a politician, elected or appointed, becomes sick or is personally affected by a tragedy, I’m not going to disrespect them for that.
  I just hope that the policies and personal agendas they have so assiduously pursued, often at the expense of other citizens, give them the help they need.
  
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  February 29, 2020 9:13am
- John Warren
  
  Good on you, Lee. I know – Golriz pushes all my buttons, every single one of them, so I had to make an effort to look right past all that at a human being with a terrible disease, and offer her my deepest sympathy.
  
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  February 29, 2020 9:13am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  The thing is, it is likely that the hardcore Leftists don’t really share your sentiment. They see all political opponents as the enemy. As such, Golriz would likely not be too concerned if all Kiwibloggers ended up in ditch with a bullet in the back of the head. Perhaps if she didn’t fundamentally loath my political view point, I may show some sympathy.
  
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  February 29, 2020 9:28am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  do we sometimes allow our political feelings to justify being nasty?
  
  It seems many people fall into this trap.
  
  The Pope suggests that folks give up on social media insults for Lent.
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/119864814/give-up-social-media-insults-for-lent-pope-tells-trolls
  
  Now, thats only 40 days…. but I suppose for some of KB’s trolls 40 days is a start.
  
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  February 29, 2020 9:39am
- Tall Man
  
  Not necessarily nasty but I did ask why now. Hasn’t she known for 18 months?
  
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  February 29, 2020 10:24am
  - theoldbloke
    
    In politics, Its all about timing:-
    Why now? I leave that for you to ponder in this election year when parties are starting to put their candidate lists together.
    When will the Greens list be finalised?
    
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    February 29, 2020 2:23pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Either way, most will be gone burger.
      
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      February 29, 2020 8:14pm
- mark15
  
  Dont worry,its the internet.
  
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  February 29, 2020 11:25am
- Rob2
  
  The diagnosis was a 50/50 possibility.
  As always she lies.
  
  Bad luck if it gets full-blown but sorry I won’t be taken in by her self promotion.
  
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  February 29, 2020 8:07pm
alloytoo

It’s easy to spot a communist nowadays, they’re the one’s wearing designer T-Shirts proclaiming their allegiance.
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February 29, 2020 8:11am
AgainstTheFlow

Comfortably smug this morning reading about panic buying in Auckland, while occasionally glancing at the food and equipment stockpile I built up.
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February 29, 2020 8:12am
Misha Beattie

https://www.euronews.com/2020/02/27/plans-for-heathrow-third-runway-ruled-illegal-over-climate-change

I’m not sure about the case for the third runway at Heathrow. However the reason it was ruled unlawful is concerning. It was ruled unlawful because the airport expansion would make it more difficult for the UK to meet its Paris Accord commitments to reduce emissions.

We should not have courts deciding who are the climate change winners and losers. Markets do that.

On a much smaller scale this is exactly what is happening in New Zealand. We have an emissions trading scheme. It was designed to price emissions and then let emitters decide the most efficient way to achieve reductions. Instead we have ended up with a price on carbon AND a myriad of regulations and meddling also intended to reduce emissions in the most haphazard and bizarre ways.

Meanwhile back in the real world China is planning on building 200 major new airports in the next 15 years. No that is not a typo. 200.

https://simpleflying.com/china-to-build-250-new-airports/
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February 29, 2020 8:18am
- tf78
  
  I would argue that Heathrow’s expansion is a matter of public safety. I hope the Nats don’t renew our agreement which is up for renewal in November 2020. That would be ballsy.
  
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  February 29, 2020 9:18am
Lee C

Sometimes ‘calling it as you see it’ can become habit-forming, Pete.
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February 29, 2020 8:23am
- Pete George
  
  So can calling it as you feel it, or as you perceive it through blinkers.
  
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  February 29, 2020 8:26am
JibberJabber

LoL, pure gold,
https://twitter.com/NZNationalParty/status/1233459349764206597

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February 29, 2020 8:26am
- Tall Man
  
  I loved the lefty replies. The closer to the extinction of this coalition they get the nastier they become.
  
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  February 29, 2020 10:34am
G152

I always tend to treat people as they treat me.
And how Ms Gharahman has treated others would give me a level as to how I’d treat her
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February 29, 2020 8:29am
- rouppe
  
  I haven’t commented on GG’s MS diagnosis to date. I didn’t feel any sympathy for her, and when reading the other comments here I wondered whether I was being unkind.
  
  Your comment about looking at how one treats others before deciding how to treat them is the first that has resonated with me.
  
  I also look at the numerous examples of nasty people getting their beans in prison. No one here really has sympathy for them despite getting shanked in prison not being something we’d want to wish on someone.
  
  What of all the other MS sufferers that we don’t know? If we went around feeling bad for all of them we’d be a mental wreck in no time. So, why is she so special?
  
  The fact is, that she isn’t special. Also, her self anointing herself as the “voice” for the “community” strikes me as self aggrandisement, and a cynical move in election year. I have more respect for Jacinda Adern not announcing she was pregnant until after the election.
  
  I still don’t trust Golriz one bit…
  
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  February 29, 2020 11:12am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I don’t trust Ghahraman either, and I oppose her style of politics completely. I do feel sympathy for her however, and have expressed that.
    
    Perhaps those were the values I was raised with, but not liking or agreeing with a person’s politics is not to me an excuse to not spare them a thought when something untoward happens. Compare that with the unrestrained glee from some on the Left when the death of Baroness Thatcher was announced.
    
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    February 29, 2020 1:28pm
    - rouppe
      
      Fair enough.
      
      Something I’ve noticed in the last 10 years or so is this: usually there is a wide separation between one point and another. For example the separation between “spare a thought” and “outright glee”.
      
      What I’ve noticed is that if you’re not at the “spare a thought end”, your labelled automatically at the “outright glee” end.
      
      I didn’t spare much of a thought for GG. I however did not feel glee. I guess I just don’t care. So somewhere in the middle of the range.
      
      I don’t see that as wrong…
      
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      March 1, 2020 9:45pm
Harriet

And she’s telling Morrison what to do with regards career criminals?

It’s not like Aussie bikies run Aussie or NZ towns, that was home grown in NZ.

That’s your real problem and Bridges and Adhern both know it. 😎
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February 29, 2020 8:30am
Jack5

Luke Malpass, in Stuff, on Jacinderella’s “Hollywood” protests to Scott Morrison:

… Ardern has clearly taken the view that there is a political need to blame someone for the resurgence of gangs, which according to police figures have grown by a third since 2016.

If, “they’re sending back Aussie crims”, is the best Labour has, the election’s in the bag for National.

Simon Bridges, as a former Crown prosecutor, is the right leader for a gangs election campaign.
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February 29, 2020 8:31am
- MrTips
  
  You missed the best bit in that article:
  
  “And a read of the Australian Murdoch press – The Australian newspaper in particular – also reveals that, while Ardern may be feted in some parts of the world, for a big chunk of Australia she is seen as a woke virtue-signaller leading a coalition government of losers that illegitimately snaked their way into power.”
  
  LOL
  
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  February 29, 2020 8:54am
  - Colville
    
    Great quote.
    Saving that for a rainy day ?
    
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    February 29, 2020 10:46am
  - tf78
    
    I wish Murdoch would do us a public service and have a media outlet here.
    
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    February 29, 2020 11:21am
  - sam green
    
    “The Murdoch Press”. Now that’s unbiased – am I right?
    
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    February 29, 2020 3:07pm
- peterwn
  
  However if Jacinda and her health minister play their cards right with the Corona Virus, they could have the election in the bag – without Winston!
  
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  February 29, 2020 9:43am
Andrew Worth

In the Auckland corona virus case the person or a family member called Healthline seeking advice. As reported in the news last night the advice was to go seek medical advice.
Shouldn’t the advice have been to firstly self-isolate and then get the specialist corona virus isolation and diagnosis teams to come to you.
Naturally I assume the government has organized such teams, or is that naive?
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February 29, 2020 8:33am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Im sure a working party is being set up as we speak.
  
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  February 29, 2020 8:38am
  - Gravelroad
    
    I hope someone in the Nat Party is drawing up a list of all these working groups and reporting what they did, what it cost and what were the outcomes, if any.
    How many people on them and how many involved in their administration.
    A comprehensive cost benefit analysis.
    That the new CoL had to rely on establishing all these groups to help them form some basis of policy is a clear indication of how absolutely unprepared and unfit to govern they were/are.
    The Nat Party needs to highlight this during the election campaign.
    Ordinary people really don’t like seeing money wasted on tribes of officials and hangers on being paid big money to do what the actual political parties are paid to do.
    
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    February 29, 2020 11:31am
- Simon
  
  First NZ based Coronavirus case like winning lotto but in reverse. Hope the patient goes down to shops to get a ticket.
  
  What would be the odds first Coronavirus case and winning lotto. ?
  
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  February 29, 2020 8:41am
  - Colville
    
    About the same chance as Jacinda having an original thought.
    
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    February 29, 2020 10:47am
- SGA
  
  It’s hard to know, Andrew. We don’t hear about the “False Alarms”, just this “Hit”. We simply may not have enough “specialist teams” to go out to all the people who contact Healthline?
  
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  February 29, 2020 8:42am
  - calendar girl
    
    So what preparations / arrangements has Ardern’s Government put in place to deal with this kind of situation?
    
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    February 29, 2020 10:39am
    - SGA
      
      I don’t know exactly. It sounds as though the single case so far reported met with the appropriate response. From the health specialists speaking on the radio, it sounds as though the health system has been quietly gearing up for when this gets worse (which it will).
      
      From what I can tell, NZ is approaching this in a very similar way to countries like Aus, USA, and Canada (say). I sincerely doubt that a National government would be doing anything drastically different.
      
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      February 29, 2020 12:39pm
      - Sacha
        
        And a lot of the info will go into compiling stats for the tracing of, and management of mass outbreaks
        for future reference.
        
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        February 29, 2020 9:35pm
- MCos
  
  Well over a hundred people have been tested thus far and cleared.
  I doubt the health system has the resources to send a specialist team out to everybody who rings in with the flu.
  Chances are this is going to get a whole lot worse and even confining people in hospital is likely to really stretch the system, let alone test them in situ.
  
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  February 29, 2020 9:28am
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  There is an article saying that only the people located in the same row and two rows in front/back of the Auckland COVID-19 infected lady would be contacted to inform them about the situation.
  
  It seems that it would be very easy for the airlines to contact everyone on that flight. The airlines would have all the contact details.
  
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  February 29, 2020 9:46am
  - SGA
    
    Not sure exactly what’s gone on there. It seems special effort is going into making contact with those sitting nearby, I’m not sure that no effort has been made to warn the others that they were on a flight with a Covid-19 carrier.
    I would hope so – if this person used the toilet and touched things in the bathroom…
    
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    February 29, 2020 10:09am
    - Rob2
      
      The latest info is that it can be transmitted via faeces.
      So in a plane full of people, long distance the loos get a bit of a thrashing.
      
      If someone didn’t bother to wash their hands, (common occurence), then everyone who pushed a button (first thing one does when stepping and pulling up the breeks, then you got it. Add the tap handles and the door handles. Dirty places.
      
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      February 29, 2020 8:14pm
  - rouppe
    
    I agree. The airline should also be contacting every passenger that disembarked in Bali
    
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    February 29, 2020 11:19am
  - Paulus
    
    Understand already contacted the other passengers -this was late last week flight I believe.
    
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    February 29, 2020 1:38pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Once in a while Kim Hill does do a good interview, and this morning was such a case: when she just asks good questions and then shuts up and lets the expert answer. Very different from her hot-headed political ‘interviews’ where she constantly interrupts.
  
  “Science writer David Quammen is the author of Spillover: Animal Infections and the Next Human Pandemic.”
  
  He explains how the person got into NZ, but was already wearing a mask, that the family acted correctly and the agencies took 3 different samples until they actually found the virus (nasopharynx and throat didn’t show it, but it did show in the sputum they had to get with a procedure because the person too unwell to provide it by coughing).
  
  Quammen seems pretty sure that family and health staff did all the right things to contain the virus.
  
  He also gives lots of info. re ‘spillover’ diseases and why bats seem to be esp. prone to infecting us.
  
  To hear the whole interview, and it really is interesting: https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/saturday/audio/2018736335/david-quammen-how-animal-diseases-spread-to-humans
  
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  February 29, 2020 9:57am
  - SGA
    
    I agree. Good speaker, good interview, very interesting.
    
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    February 29, 2020 12:43pm
oldpark

Noticed the NZs Media always compliant in turning a blind eye to the short comings of the Peters selected wee girl Ardern who for the last couple of years has masqueraded as NZs PM.
NZs media are virtually salivating with the fake news that Ardern virtually punched the elected Australian PM Morrison on the deporting of NZs back to NZ for criminal actitivies. Even though all the criminals had to do in the years they were in Australia was to get an Australian Passport.
Helen Clark, Arderns’puppet set the agenda against NZs when she sold out to the Australians in 2001. Yes the deal was for future NZs arriving in Australia was a special VISA with many many strings .One of them no benefits of any type.
At the time NZ officials were told . Australia was a Sovereign Nation and like NZ had the right to say who was allowed into their Country.
Ardern it was rumoured turned the colour of “bad shit” when Morrison told her in exchange for keeping NZ criminals in Australia ,the special arrangement for NZs Law Abiding Citizens to access Australia would be no more. That would mean get in the queue with the other countries who apply for residence.
Phew!Thankfully that is just a rumour . Could be factual if our Media and Ardern continue their virtual signalling in big noting and bullying against the Australians like they were the enemy ,and had no right to decide who lives in Sovereign Nation Australia.
Sadly Ardern is desperate for votes in this country she might get a few extra votes. The downsize could be what an awful price NZs could end up paying if their access to Australia was ended all because a clueless wee girl called Ardern was said to be acting like the mouse that roared with her said to be verbal assaults on Australian PM Morrison.
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February 29, 2020 8:33am
- Misha Beattie
  
  I commented yesterday that lecturing Sco Mo will only end badly for New Zealand. I had assumed that she would raise the issue quietly. Again. I had not anticipated full Rambo.
  
  These people are not Australia’s problem. They carry these New Zealand passports. Further, most people that end up as gang members or other nasty criminals had terrible childhoods because of their terrible parents. In this case New Zealand parents.
  
  It is only a matter of time before the shit hits the fan on this. Sco Mo was polite but I bet he is seething. And you know what they say about revenge is a dish best served cold.
  
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  February 29, 2020 9:04am
  - Prince
    
    I think Ardern has been watching too many repeats of ‘Love Actually’, and sees herself as Hugh Grant. It’s one of the fantasies she engages in, dress up and all.
    
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    February 29, 2020 10:33am
  - Paulus
    
    No Convicted Crime in Australia, no return to New Zealand !
    
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    February 29, 2020 1:40pm
- Paulus
  
  Ardern is relying on Coronvirus to win her the election.
  A new headscarf like the one she had in Fiji will do along with conferences and hugs.
  Everything else can be subsumed to it.
  Audrey Young says so too .
  
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  February 29, 2020 9:06am
- Ruahine
  
  Labour is desperate for the criminal vote. This is whether the criminals are in prison or out of prison.
  
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  February 29, 2020 9:15am
- peterwn
  
  “Even though all the criminals had to do in the years they were in Australia was to get an Australian Passport.”
  This assumes they were Australian residents.
  NZ citizens are not Australian residents while in Australia. NZ citizens can apply for Australian residency but are unlikely to get it because they do not need residency to work in Australia. Hence they cannot apply for Australian citizenship and hence cannot apply for an Australian passport.
  There could be some Australian residents who meet criteria for citizenship but not sought citizenship that have been deported. The NZ situation would be similar but the threshold for deportation would be very high if the resident had met criteria (10 years residency) for citizenship.
  
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  February 29, 2020 9:40am
  - oldpark
    
    Yes!Yes! Yes! of course they would be Australian Resident Most of them there for many many many years maybe since babyhood . Helen Clark “effed” up completely in 2001. Prior to that all Kiwis within reason had Australian Residency. That was the year she sold out NZs rights and also to knee cap Pacific Islanders Rights with freedom of movement .
    What a web she weaved as she set out to deceive.
    Let us not forget we are now paying the price for such a mad dog punitive type of agreement Clark entered into .Arderns’bitch is with her toothy mate Clark. Go figure that one .
    
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    February 29, 2020 10:14am
    - Misha Beattie
      
      It was not quite so simple. Up until 2001 New Zealand had paid Australia billions of dollars to partly compensate Australia for paying benefits to New Zealanders in Australia. But the bill got too expensive and hence the current situation.
      
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      February 29, 2020 2:18pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxZZyv5NSG8

Huawei: The Espionage Arm of China’s Military.
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February 29, 2020 8:36am
- Michael NZ
  
  Curry4me
  They are not the only company either…
  
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  February 29, 2020 10:03pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRjHVKX7u7M

Turkey opens border
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February 29, 2020 8:36am
- emmess
  
  Fortunately, I think it will be different this time as Greece no longer has a Marxist government.
  
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  February 29, 2020 9:07am
  - curry4me
    
    Maybe. There have been riots on Lesbos. However, their conservative government is not that strong aparrently.
    
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    February 29, 2020 3:09pm
curry4me

It’s nearly the end of February, and Harvey Weinstein didn’t kil himself….. yet.
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February 29, 2020 8:37am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  https://www.dropbox.com/preview/Clinton%20hearse.jpg?role=personal
  
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  February 29, 2020 9:23am
the deity formerly known as nigel6888

I see the universities have their hands out already.

I’m so old i can remember when Universities were for New Zealand students, and that they promised international students would just be topping up existing capacity.

Now go to any introductory course and try and find the native kiwis in the sea of international students who probably shouldnt have passed the language test.

I saw an intro course a few years ago, every tutorial saw the poor tutor and the native english speakers desperately trying to guide the international students through basic comprehension.

Maybe its time the Unis got their wings clipped and returned their “industry” to serving the needs of citizens?
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February 29, 2020 8:42am
- SGA
  
  Now go to any introductory course and try and find the native kiwis in the sea of international students who probably shouldnt have passed the language test.
  
  Well… international students make up about 16% of enrolments (much the same as in Aus and the UK).
  https://www.universitiesnz.ac.nz/sites/default/files/uni-nz/images/publications/UNZ%20New%20Zealand%27s%20Universities%20Key%20Facts%20%26%20Stats%20Sept%2018.pdf
  
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  February 29, 2020 9:16am
- John Warren
  
  Trouble is, the international students are a big dollar earner for the whole country. Supposedly.
  
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  February 29, 2020 9:16am
  - SGA
    
    Probably – they need to live somewhere, eat, holiday etc.
    
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    February 29, 2020 9:52am
  - DeepBlue
    
    If no new overseas enrollments are allowed then the freed up lecturers could work commercially in their fields, or practically in the field as caseworkers (in the case of woke courses).
    
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    February 29, 2020 5:14pm
  - KH
    
    Maybe not an honest money earner. Money is bought in by selling government provided resources meant for NZers.
    
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    February 29, 2020 6:18pm
Jack5

Southland Fish and Game councillor Ken Cochrane is standing his ground against fellow councillors who want to oust him because, at a non-council meeting of whitebaiters, he made remarks about DOC “chick scientists.”

Other councillors demanded Cochrane resign by 4pm yesterday, but, the Southland Times, reports, Cochrane has refused.

Conservation Minister Eugenie Sage described the comments as sexist, while the Department of Conservation DOC Director General Lou Sanson said they were appalling.

The Otago Daily Times reports Cochrane confirmed his intention to remain but declined to comment on his decision and said, “we’ve been beaten around the park so we really don’t have any comment at this stage.”

What Cochrane said at the whitebaiters’ meeting, discussing a DOC document on whitebaiting:

“I sat there one day and I thought, what I am listening to is a whole bunch of chick scientists, and if you really looked at the view that they were pitching, [it] was everybody in New Zealand should not shave their armpits, they should wear dreadlocks, and when they go whitebaiting they should do it in jandals only.

“And after they catch one patty for tea they should sit down, hold hands and sing Kumbaya. That was the feeling I got.”
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February 29, 2020 8:44am
- Ruahine
  
  Public honesty is so rare these days.
  
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  February 29, 2020 10:02am
- Tall Man
  
  “Eugenie Sage described the comments as sexist”
  
  How about she comments on the racist, sexist and ageist comments of the non male rabble within her own party. That’s right, it’s ok to hate white successful males.
  
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  February 29, 2020 10:39am
- wilderbeast
  
  The thing that’s been missed in all this is that he’s not entirely off the mark
  
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  February 29, 2020 10:47am
Wired-one

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/119895694/getting-a-win-from-an-australian-loselose

So achieving nothing is a win for Ardern now… Our media are so sycophantic towards her, they have lost perspective.
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February 29, 2020 8:57am
- niggly
  
  The is the real Media Party in action (campaigning for Jacinda and Labour and not being neutral) …. not silly Winston’s definition of the MSM legitimately investigating potential corrupt practices allegedly by his own officials!
  
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  February 29, 2020 11:45am
Paulus

Am I as a Fletcher’s Shareholder right to understand that Grand Theft has taken place with Ihumatao.
By raising the Heritage rating to the highest level says that it cannot be built on whatsoever (??except a Marae probably ??).
Where is Fletcher’s money by way of compensation for this theft of their property ?
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February 29, 2020 9:03am
- niggly
  
  No doubt as we speak Robbo is getting ready to put his hands deep down the taxpayer’s pockets and try and come up with more $$$ … trouble is taxpayer’s pockets are becoming increasingly bare and $$$ are becoming increasingly rare!
  
  Robbo: Hmm what to do … hey no problem just borrow more! Oops but warning, warning, global economic slow down on the cards due to current C-19 events … hmm what to do …. hey no problem “let’s just do this” anyway, thanks taxpayer!
  
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  February 29, 2020 11:53am
- Albert_Ross
  
  How far do we want to take this apparent principle that people should be compensated if the value of their property is reduced by Government action?
  
  Because I seem to remember that we were strongly opposed to Maori arguments that they ought to be compensated for the destruction of the value of their fishing rights around the Kermadecs that would have resulted from John Key’s proposal for a marine sanctuary there. They were supported in this by ACT, to David Seymour’s credit. How was that different?
  
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  February 29, 2020 1:14pm
- hilaryt
  
  I read that the stonefields have had their heritage listing enhanced, but not the land at issue…which can still be built on…is my understanding. So it’s not over. Stand to be corrected.
  
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  February 29, 2020 3:52pm
lastmanstanding

I suspect Covid-19 may prove the end of the COL and possibly The Donald if it continues until both elections without a cure being found and ever increasing cases.

Covid-19 body bags on TV every night will not play out well for the citizens.

They will blame the Government/President.

The economy worldwide is already slowing with the supply chains especially to and from China becoming chocked. If it continues for the next 6 months we will be facing recession and again the Government/President will be blamed.

But heh. Look on the bright side. Cindy and her rabble gone and probably for several terms at least.

The bad news Bernie in the White House. Shudder!!!
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February 29, 2020 9:40am
- SGA
  
  Covid-19 body bags on TV every night will not play out well for the citizens.
  
  I suspect that you might be disappointed. It is probably inevitable that we will have Covid-19 deaths, but I doubt it will be as spectacular as that.
  
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  February 29, 2020 9:44am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  An even worse scenario is that Jacinda and the CoL remain in power.
  
  Look at our MSM, they are playing up Jacinda as being in control of the Covid-19 story….. She’s in Aussie, but she goes on TV to announce our first positive Covid-19 case….
  
  and that’s how it will run… she’ll be shown as the great leader with her finger on the pulse….
  
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  February 29, 2020 10:02am
  - MrTips
    
    Indeed Maggy. It had all the hallmarks of Ashley Bloomfield being told to stay quiet, it was the PM who was going to announce this and gain so called “glory”. Remember, she doesn’t want to know about the plebs unless it’s “another 15 March like scenario”.
    
    She really is a vainglorious, attention seeker imo.
    
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    February 29, 2020 10:20am
    - Tall Man
      
      Media whore sums it up for me although recently it has been moderated into extinction.
      
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      February 29, 2020 12:44pm
  - wilderbeast
    
    Agreed the MSM seems firmly intent on keeping her in power. Look at the “opinion” piece in Stuff today. Masquerading as balanced but full of backhanded barbs at anyone and anything that isn’t in the Cindy fan club. Like saying the “Packer media” isn’t enamoured with her. How long can they ignore the fact she’s a vacuous lightweight?
    
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    February 29, 2020 10:50am
- Tall Man
  
  This rabble are already gone, it’s a matter of when, September or earlier if “what’s in it for wynston” keeps up his antics.
  
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  February 29, 2020 10:41am
- Fletch
  
  The Dems are already using the virus to take shots at Trump, saying he isn’t doing enough, blah, blah.
  
  Trump actually has done a heck of a lot, and very early on. See his press conference the other day. Chuck Schumer was complaining that Trump won’t give him the $8.5 billion he thinks is needed to combat the virus. Who knows where he came up with that figure, but, has the House (whose job it is to initiate all bills related to revenue) put in any bills for funding related to the virus? Have Nancy Pelosi and other Dems made speeches in regard to the virus? No. They were too busy focusing on impeachment, and so were the media. In fact, impeachment was tying up business in the Senate, which had to stop everything else (including anything related to combating the virus) to focus on the Dems impeachment process.
  
  The Dems, as has been said before, will never let an emergency or a disaster go to waste. Everything is used as political capital by them. They are even lying and saying that funding to the CDC has been cut (it has not).
  
  https://apnews.com/d36d6c4de29f4d04beda3db00cb46104
  
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  February 29, 2020 10:50am
- Jules99
  
  Given the Dem line-up would you imagine they could do better? Trump’s protectionist policies will be even more appealing to the electorate than before.
  
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  February 29, 2020 12:44pm
- curry4me
  
  It’d be nice if it didn’t exist. But it’s not the end of the world. https://www.breitbart.com/health/2020/02/28/pollak-5-reasons-to-stop-freaking-out-about-coronavirus/
  
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  February 29, 2020 3:15pm
- Rob2
  
  America will ramp up very quickly to replace factories. They have plenty of unused factories and unemployed and capital.
  Mostly it is their technology as well.
  Could be a good thing for the world.
  
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  February 29, 2020 8:21pm
Manolo

How ungrateful!
PM Ardern is an embarrassment to our country.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/feb/28/jacinda-ardern-lashes-scott-morrison-for-testing-friendship-over-deportations-to-new-zealand
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February 29, 2020 9:49am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  How difficult would it have been for Jacinda Ardern to tell every NZ citizen resident in Australia to obey Australian laws and not associate with criminals?
  
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  February 29, 2020 10:04am
  - Swifty
    
    An excellent question.
    
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    February 29, 2020 10:07am
  - stigie
    
    I suppose it’s Scott Morrison’s fault now we have a gang problem in NZ..?
    Who did she blame the Kiwibuild fiasco on then..?
    Typical of the left, always someone else’s fault !~
    
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    February 29, 2020 10:21am
    - Swifty
      
      Exactly stigie.
      
      Do you notice Labour always limit themselves to dealing with the symptoms of issues – never the root cause.
      
      It constitutes very poor governance and management.
      
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      February 29, 2020 11:38am
oldfella

I stumbled across this last night on YouTube.
The case of Australian Prof Peter Ridd – which I hadn’t heard about – who got sanctioned, then sacked, by his university for not following the party line. In particular, by suggesting that the Great Barrier Reef was not dying from Climate Change.
Heresy! Off with his job!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLudKn6oFlQ
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February 29, 2020 10:20am
- alloytoo
  
  He also won his unfair dismissal case against the university which they are now appealing at enormous cost.
  
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  February 29, 2020 12:17pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Peter Ridd won his court case against James Cook Uni for unfair dismissal and was awarded $1.2M, but the Uni has appealed the ruling… case to be heard in May 2020.
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/sep/06/peter-ridd-awarded-12m-in-unfair-dismissal-case-against-james-cook-university
  
  He has been subsequently shown to be correct that very dodgy science was coming out of the Coral Reef Centre run by JCU.
  https://www.thegwpf.com/peter-ridd-scientific-misconduct-at-james-cook-university-confirms-my-worst-fears/
  
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  February 29, 2020 1:34pm
Yvette

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said during the joint press conference that she had heard countless cases of individuals “who, on any common sense test, identify as Australians”.

She added, “Just a few weeks ago I met a women who moved to Australia not much older than 1 year old. She told me that she had no connection to our country, but she had three children in Australia.
“She was in a crisis centre, having returned to a country she did not feel was her own. [1]

Does “having returned”, rather than “having been returned”, suggest this particular woman has just made a personal mis-judgement in where to live, or indeed is a deportee that fits the context of what is actually being discussed, and so, if sent back to New Zealand, what crime did she commit in Australia?

Of course, were Ardern straight forward in all her dealings and apparent judgements, one would not need to ask – which is why I am asking.

[1] https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/02/jacinda-ardern-s-message-to-australian-pm-do-not-deport-your-people-and-your-problems.html
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February 29, 2020 10:33am
- alloytoo
  
  I bet that press conference won ScoMo more votes than her.
  
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  February 29, 2020 12:20pm
- Misha Beattie
  
  ““who, on any common sense test, identify as Australians””
  
  This is a crazy way to think about nationality. If that woman left New Zealand as an infant and she has three kids she went to Australia before 2001 and could have applied and probably have been granted Australian citizenship.
  
  Citizenship must mean something. Indeed there are international conventions that define it, to which New Zealand is a party. And none of the definitions in those conventions are based on “feels”.
  
  This does my head in.
  
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  February 29, 2020 2:33pm
  - Rob2
    
    Try reading perterwn comments above.
    
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    February 29, 2020 8:23pm
igm

These idiotic peformances by the unelected unwanted PM will lead to more stringent rules of entry for all Kiwis entering Australia.
As we are all fully aware, NZ is a soft touch for citizenship that leaves the door open for easy entry to Australia . . . this being exploited by PIs, and those of ME origin. If they get the arse card from Aus they should be sent to their countries of origin, not NZ.
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February 29, 2020 11:07am
- Misha Beattie
  
  I don’t know when tighter rules will happen but they are inevitable. There is no way that the current arrangements will last another decade. One scenario for tightening is time limiting the stay of New Zealanders to say two years and reducing even further their entitlements. For example requiring them to have health insurance.
  
  One thing I am positive about is that antagonising the Australian government will make such a scenario happen sooner.
  
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  February 29, 2020 2:40pm
- Misha Beattie
  
  Even if they were deported to their country of origin, they could just then jump on a plane to New Zealand. If they are New Zealand citizens they cannot be refused entry to New Zealand under any circumstances.
  
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  February 29, 2020 4:01pm
Hugh Pavletich

CORONAVIRUS … THE ECONOMIC REALITY …

Central bankers have no power against the economic tornado of coronavirus … Ambrose Evans – Pritchard … UK Telegraph (behind paywall)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/02/28/central-bankers-have-no-power-against-economic-tornado-covid/

entral banks have met their match. They cannot counter the economic havoc caused to global supply chains from the coronavirus.

Nor can tax cuts or a blast of government spending plug the gap when crumbling confidence and emergency anti-virus measures are blocking the transmission channels.

We are in an unprecedented global situation more akin to the outbreak of war than any episode in collective economic memory.

“Everyone believes it’s going to be a V-shaped recession, but people don’t know what they are talking about. They prefer to believe in miracles,” said Nouriel Roubini, the Dr Doom of the 2008 saga. “This crisis is a supply shock that you can’t fight with monetary or fiscal policy.”

Olivier Blanchard, the International… … read more via hyperlink above (behind paywall) …
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February 29, 2020 11:12am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Coronavirus: How the deadly epidemic sparked a global emergency | Four Corners … ABC (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycrqXJYf1SU&feature=youtu.be
  
  It’s likened to a scene from an apocalypse. Wuhan — a city more populous than London or New York — placed in ‘lockdown’ following the outbreak of the new and deadly coronavirus.
  
  In China, more than two thousand people have died, with tens of thousands more infected, and authorities are resorting to extreme measures to try to halt the contagion. In interviews filmed on smartphones, Chinese activists and Australians trapped in the lockdown explain what they are going through.
  
  Four Corners charts how the outbreak occurred and investigates whether a cover-up by Chinese authorities allowed the virus to spread.
  
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  February 29, 2020 12:13pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  The money mob have been inflating asset prices through their excessive credit creation for too long. Now people are scared about “what next” and are cashing out. When markets go illiquid prices tumble and keep tumbling. It should affect our house prices here too shortly.
  
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  February 29, 2020 1:42pm
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    ASSESSING HOUSING BUBBLE VALUE …
    
    You may find these earlier articles of mine of assistance, in your own assessments of the current residential bubble values of China, Australia and New Zealand.
    
    Note a comprehensive structural definition of an affordable housing market at http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org as well …
    
    New Zealand’s Bubble Economy Is Vulnerable | Hugh Pavletich … Scoop News
    
    https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1404/S00166/new-zealands-bubble-economy-is-vulnerable-hugh-pavletich.htm
    
    Housing Bubbles: Jumbo Mortgages = Jumbo Problems … Scoop News
    
    https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO1003/S00019/housing-bubbles-jumbo-mortgages-jumbo-problems.htm
    
    In a nutshell, my sense is that the bubble value in China is at least $US45 trillion of a staggering $US65 trillion market … Australia at least $A3.5 trillion of a $&+ trillion market … New Zealand some $NZ700 billion in a nonsense $NZ1.2 trillion market.
    
    How are the Banks with their skinny capital base and the New Zealand government supposed to cope with the inevitable bubble bust ?
    
    There is no such thing as a sustainable bubble.
    
    Note that when Irelands bubble burst in ’07, the overall Median Multiples of its metros went from 4.7 to 2.8, putting all its Banks to the wall and requiring 70 billion euro of bailouts. A few years later the Central Bank of Ireland generally capped mortgages at 3.5 times annual household incomes (google search ‘Mortgage Measures Central Bank of Ireland’). It was excessive mortgage stretch that put the Banks to the wall … not high loan to value borrowing.
    
    As this years Demographia Survey illustrates, New Zealand metros overall are 7.0 times annual household incomes.
    
    We have been sitting ducks waiting for a Black Swan out of China for a very long time.
    
    Now its time to wear the consequences.
    
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    February 29, 2020 4:43pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Coronavirus: China’s factory activity plunges to all-time low, worse than global financial crisis, February data show … South China Morning Post
      
      https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3052985/coronavirus-chinas-factories-activity-plunges-all-time-low
      
      China factory activity shrank at its fastest rate on record in February … CNBC
      
      https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/29/china-pmi-factory-activity-shrank-at-fastest-rate-on-record-in-february.html
      
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      February 29, 2020 8:56pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Coronavirus: New Zealand patient not subject to health checks upon landing at Auckland Airport

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/119913458/coronavirus-new-zealand-patient-not-subject-to-health-checks-upon-landing-at-auckland-airport

Oh dear, didn’t our PM assure us that all our protocols were in place?

This person was sick when they boarded the plane in Iran, sick when they boarded in Bali and sick when they arrived in NZ.
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February 29, 2020 11:14am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Can we call this present bunch pretending to run the country a useless bunch of.. ( Insert suitable words here).
  
  I am prepared to bet that very soon we won’t have to bother closing our borders, as countries run by competent governments won’t allow travel to or from New Zealand.
  
  Good read and food for thought here:
  
  http://joannenova.com.au/2020/02/coronavirus-now-they-get-it/
  
  Now, I am not wanting to sound alarmist, as this may fizzle out and be a non event, but my concern is I don’t trust any government’s statements on this, and I have absolutely no confidence in our minister of Health, or his “Dear Leader”. I would suggest that people do their own research, take sensible precautions, and believe nothing in the MSM.
  
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  February 29, 2020 11:30am
  - Misha Beattie
    
    The thing is that in the entire public health system there are about 130 ICU beds. I understand that about 20 percent of people who catch this thing require intensive care. So an outbreak of 650 cases which does not seem impossible,would overrun the health system.
    
    I don’t understand why journalists can’t ask such basic questions.
    
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    February 29, 2020 4:05pm
    - MrTips
      
      Its closer to 150 beds in ICU nationwide and they don’t need them all at once. Also 20% severe or critical is the data, and not all need ICU. They can also use non-ICU wards for the severe cases.
      
      The issue is when normal flu strikes over the top of 2019-nCOV. We don’t have enough to cope with both if they run away on us, the DHBs have been loud and clear on that.
      
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      February 29, 2020 8:08pm
    - Sacha
      
      Only if they required Intensive Care. Most will be a bit flu-ey, and get over it with some cough mixture and ABs and O2 and physiotherapy.
      
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      February 29, 2020 9:48pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Love this statement on stuff:
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/119912920/coronavirus-kiwis-urged-not-to-stockpile-at-supermarkets
  
  “All the right protocols were followed.”
  
  “The ministry had no evidence the person had transmitted the virus to anybody else.”
  
  end quote
  
  No evidence – like we have not bothered to check so we have no evidence.
  
  Lets put it this way. Lets assume 300 plus passengers, all breathing the same recirculated air in a plane for maybe 10 hours. The sick person walked up and down the aisle to go to the toilet….
  Come to your own conclusions….
  
  https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/01/how-coronavirus-spreads-on-a-plane/
  
  https://www.businessinsider.com.au/coronavirus-japan-cruise-passengers-isolated-plane-2020-2?r=US&IR=T
  
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  February 29, 2020 11:45am
  - SGA
    
    Lets assume 300 plus passengers, all breathing the same recirculated air in a plane for maybe 10 hours
    
    Apparently the recirculated air on a plane isn’t too much of a risk according to past research looking at the spread of influenza in planes (which spreads using similar mechanisms).
    
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    February 29, 2020 1:00pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Watch this…. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdnbfvlyreY
  
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  February 29, 2020 11:50am
- Yvette
  
  Reading the Stuff article – “Coronavirus: New Zealand patient not subject to health checks upon landing at Auckland Airport” – I do not see that it actually tells you at what point the patient was first attended to in Auckland Airport.
  
  The patient had reportedly felt unwell on the flight so was wearing a mask.
  Bloomfield told RNZ the family’s person knew exactly what to do and rang Healthline.
  
  Were they still in Airport Arrivals when the “family’s person” rang Healthline?
  
  Either health officials need to act earlier or reporting of such events need to explain more clearly what happened, for anyone to have any great confidence in either.
  
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  February 29, 2020 12:03pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I understand the man went home first, and authorities weren’t notified until the next day. So what follow-up is being done on the 300-odd people on that flight, and all those they have come into contact with since they landed in Auckland?
    
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    February 29, 2020 1:15pm
    - SGA
      
      I understand the man went home first, and authorities weren’t notified until the next day.
      
      Stuff said same day (the family acted very quickly and responsibly from the sounds of it)
      “Once they arrived, they had travelled by private vehicle to their own home, with family members only.
      Later that same day, when family members became concerned with the person’s condition, Healthline was phoned, Bloomfield said.
      After being advised to go to hospital, the person was taken there by family members.”
      
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      February 29, 2020 1:37pm
Monique Watson

Fuck, she failed in the international diplomacy big time! She comes off as having attacked ScoMo. The words going used in the media are ‘berates’, ‘’lashes’, ‘takes to task’. Blasts. Ouch.
What did she hope to achieve? She lost, ScoMo won so no votes at home.
She could have offered for NZ to educate its citizens in Australia in return for some sort of softening on the policy,
She might have got nada but she wouldn’t have made in worse for those in detention centers who will in turn find out its no fun when your Prime Minister insists you are Australia’s problem. These detainees will get a lot of special attention, I imagine.
If you can’t run your own government, you look weak and ineffectual telling Australia how to run theirs. You achieved nothing PTPM.
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February 29, 2020 11:16am
- stigie
  
  “What did she hope to achieve? She lost, ScoMo won so no votes at home”.
  
  Yes but she won the heart of Barely Sober who has joined her in this taxpayer funded trip !~
  
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  February 29, 2020 11:55am
artemisia

September 19 is not that far away. If there is still a real virus infection risk (probable) some voters will stay away from polling places. Impact on voting numbers, who knows, but on current trends older voters are more likely to stay home. Black swan?
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February 29, 2020 11:35am
rockape

Get a postal vote if anyone is worried.
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February 29, 2020 11:40am
stinkypete

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/who-china-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf

Worth a read
China has done an amazing job and no airborne transmission
Mortality rate about 10x that of flu but mainly older people
Outside Wuhan transmission in clusters reflecting close contact
Spread is from surface contamination or close droplet spray
It is clearly controllable with public health measures
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February 29, 2020 11:56am
- rightoverlabour
  
  I’d say that’s not quite the conclusion I would come to in terms of airborne transmission.
  
  Quote
  
  “Airborne spread has not been reported for COVID-19 and it is not
  believed to be a major driver of transmission based on available evidence; however, it can
  be envisaged if certain aerosol-generating procedures are conducted in health care facilities. ”
  
  How come it spread so rapidly on that cruiseliner?
  
  They were all restricted to quarters.
  
  https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu
  
  “While both the flu and COVID-19 may be transmitted in similar ways (see the Similarities section above), there is also a possible difference: COVID-19 might be spread through the airborne route, meaning that tiny droplets remaining in the air could cause disease in others even after the ill person is no longer near.”
  
  I am yet to be convinced its not airborne.
  
  Further, I don’t trust the WHO nor the Chinese officials.
  
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  February 29, 2020 12:11pm
- Fletch
  
  Trump made a point the other day in his news conference that he said shocked him when he was told, that the regular flu kills from between 25,000 to 69,000 people per year in the U.S alone. Over the last 10 years they have lost 360,000 people to the flu. By contrast, only 2,700 people globally have been confirmed killed by coronavirus, although China and other countries are likely not reporting accurate numbers.
  
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  February 29, 2020 1:48pm
- Jules99
  
  Yeah, but what public health measures. Welding people into their apartments until they die. Well that might keep the numbers down, but I don’t trust anything coming out of China.
  
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  February 29, 2020 3:24pm
Manolo

It hurts, it bloody hurts.https://www.npr.org/2020/02/28/810295350/financial-markets-shudder-around-the-world-as-coronavirus-tightens-its-grip

Stocks took another steep dive Friday, deepening a multi-day rout fueled by fears about the coronavirus’ impact on the global economy.

The Dow Jones Industrial Average fell 357 points on Friday, capping a week in which the blue chip index fell 3,583 points or 12.4%. The Dow is down 16.3% from its recent peak on Feb. 12.

The S&P 500 stock index lost 11.5% for the week and is now down 14.6% from the all-time high it reached only last week.

The Nasdaq inched into positive territory in the closing minutes of trading Friday, but is still down 10.5% for the week and 14.6% below its record high last Wednesday.

The drop in stocks this week has come with stunning speed, as investors grapple with evidence that the deadly coronavirus epidemic is spreading beyond China to other countries, including Italy, South Korea and Iran.
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February 29, 2020 12:05pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Has the long overdue adjustment finally arrived? We should know in a month or so.
  
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  February 29, 2020 1:36pm
  - MrTips
    
    Great time to buy around May. Just saying.
    
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    February 29, 2020 4:24pm
Happychappy

Where is the media when Grant Robertson, Jacinda Ardern and Winston Peter’s should be standing up and excepting there share of the blame over the Budget leaks of there own making report surfaces blaming all except them, these poor for excuses of politicians told more lies in one day than the media could tell in a month and left the former Treasury Boss and Civil Servants to take full responsibility of what happened. What a sad indictment this Government are when asked to be responsible they show what a gutless bunch they really are.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12312436
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February 29, 2020 12:14pm
oldfella

Will the commemorations for the Christchurch shootings still take place in the light of the Coronavirus scare? How many people from Muslim countries, severely impacted by the virus, will fly in to take part? Is it worth the risk, or should we listen to those local Muslim voices that never wanted these ceremonies to take place, anyway. Not the way Muslims do things, apparently. Just wondering…
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February 29, 2020 12:20pm
- Paulus
  
  You bet your sweet a… She has determined that she will go to Christchurch on the Ides of March, despite many Muslims who were involved do not want this Ardern Celebration.
  It is contrary to the Koran’s teachings.
  But sweet PTPM wants the publicity with a brand new headscarf like she had in Fiji.
  She is getting desperate and it shows.
  
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  February 29, 2020 1:50pm
MrTips

Shane Jones puts in yet another solid audition for the job of Race Relations Conciliator. https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/02/shane-jones-says-indian-students-have-ruined-nz-academic-institutions.html

Onya Shane. All clASS as usual.
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February 29, 2020 1:14pm
- curry4me
  
  MrTips: If youlook at some politicians through a table fork, and close your left eye, it appears they’re behind bars.
  
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  February 29, 2020 3:44pm
  - MrTips
    
    Maybe Shane has aspirations then? After all, he’s bagging the Indians……..while his boss is over IN INDIA trying to make much rhoti with them!! You can’t dream this comedy up!
    
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    February 29, 2020 4:20pm
- Piniwi
  
  Funny MrTips how with numerous sound bites from Newshub they have served to show Jones as the babbling fool he really is. Lol
  
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  February 29, 2020 4:09pm
rightoverlabour

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQwIVJ6sQoY

Cant verify the veracity but worth watching
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February 29, 2020 1:18pm
artemisia

So New Zealand has a plan for virus detection at the border, trust us we know what we are doing. So passengers in rows close to the infected person will be contacted. Next minute, no, all passengers will be contacted. So much for the plan then.
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February 29, 2020 1:35pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Uhh, is there a virus or something sweeping the world? But I must shit on Scomo for sending perps back to New Zealand….
  
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  February 29, 2020 4:03pm
Lee C

Ardern is vote-harvesting fro Aussie kiwis is my view.

Recall how much stock they put into ‘overseas votes’ last election see also ‘cancelling student loans’ …
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February 29, 2020 1:37pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yeah,
  Why exactly did she need to go to Australia this week?
  
  Was there any special conference/opening on?
  
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  February 29, 2020 1:43pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    She went to make a fool of herself, Challenge SoMo and take the heat off her Boss Winstone First
    
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    February 29, 2020 3:45pm
    - igm
      
      Once a clown, always a clown, and a bad one!
      
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      February 29, 2020 3:57pm
- MrTips
  
  She’s been doing it all year. Spent summer there and no doubt will be there much more til Sept.
  
  It won’t work though.
  
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  February 29, 2020 4:21pm
igm

Hey Ardern and Woods, crude oil is at $44 per barrel, yet we are still paying the same price at the pump as when it was $70.
You shot your foul mouths off stating these costs were to be rectified . . . more socialist bullshit, or is it your inadequate diction, and we all interpreted your claims incorrectly?
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February 29, 2020 3:01pm
- Piniwi
  
  Sorry igm @ 3.01 pm but the way the NZ$ is sliding it may get a lot worse before it gets better. Likewise every US$ of additional borrowing even at the lowest of interest rates now costs NZ$1.60 or more if the slide continues. Thus it may come to pass that even @US$40 it may cost the same as when it was @US$70 when the stronger NZ$ was in the mid 70 cent range. Ouch. More of those unintended consequences..
  
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  February 29, 2020 4:02pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  These State Corrections require further attention to our ~~regulation~~ strangulation of the economy. After the elections we will see that all oil and gas imports and sales are fair to any consumers. Importers or producers will be required to trade their rights to sell to Citizens Care Councils in exchange for a seat on their local Commissariats. A notional fee will be allocated to them as decided by the full Commissariat.
  More about this after the selection.
  
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  February 29, 2020 4:06pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Oh boy.
https://babylonbee.com/news/election-fraud-suspected-after-vladimir-putin-wins-north-carolina-congressional-race?fbclid=IwAR39BziPOw1cpamUEMRxC4mGNtYWl-RjS4xNZZKEI3k_O0A2TAIsSeXKK8M
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February 29, 2020 3:46pm
fernglas

I see Gilmours Wholesale Food ran out of stock after a rush from its customers. The customers are food retailing businesses. Are they stockpiling to keep their families in food if the worst happens, or to make a fat profit if food supplies run short?
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February 29, 2020 3:54pm
rightoverlabour

I went to the store and bought, wait for it, four bottles of milk. This is after listening to our Dear Leader, “Supreme giver of Sage Advice” on the radio telling us to go and do that. I feel so empowered, relieved, and full of right thoughts now. I know now, I will survive this crisis. Dear Leader said it was OK to go to the shops….

How about Dear Leader telling Auckland Airport, Customs, Bio Security and who ever else tasked to keep the virus out, to do its fucking job.
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February 29, 2020 4:01pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Hoarder!!!!
  
  She quite clearly said “a bottle of milk”… not four bottles of milk.
  
  “If you need a bottle of milk, go to the supermarket. If you don’t, don’t.”
  
  https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/jacinda-ardern-encourages-kiwis-go-their-daily-lives-in-wake-first-coronavirus-case
  
  (anyway…. I haven’t seen a bottle of milk for donkey years)
  
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  February 29, 2020 6:36pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Tsk, tsk, Pesky details… I figured it was such sound advice I’d quadruple the effort.
    
    Off to the shops tomorrow. Hopefully there will be something left on the shelves…
    
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    February 29, 2020 8:08pm
Happychappy

Jacinda Ardern called Simon Bridges naive over saying he will deport Aussie Criminals back to Australia if National become the next Government. Well Jacinda Ardern is a political dummy with her obnoxious ability to piss NZer’s off and her recent out burst on the Coronavirus is a great example for someone out of her depth.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/02/coronavirus-jacinda-ardern-slams-irresponsible-headlines-for-causing-unnecessary-anxiety.html
What else would you expect from a arrogant Prime Minister that’s political nous is to blame everyone else except herself for NZ’s problems.
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February 29, 2020 4:41pm
DeepBlue

Simon’s timing impeccable again. Jacinda is reading a different mood, but her kindness words can’t work alone.

Seems like the gangs might be sorting out the 501s their own way.

Herald “Three men were shot in their beds as they slept in an early-morning shooting in Mt Roskill.

The incident follows two murder investigations launched after deaths at separate South Auckland homes yesterday”
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February 29, 2020 4:50pm
Chuck Bird

I see all NZF MPs voted for the first reading of Cindy’s abortion bill. That would indicate that they will block vote to support it if it goes to a binding referendum.

If such an amendment if voted down I wonder if Peters has enough control still to get all his MPs to vote against it.

This should be very interesting.
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February 29, 2020 4:54pm
DeepBlue

On the Jacinda scale of frustration, we are one step away from foot stamping.

The media headlines are causing anxiety for people.
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February 29, 2020 5:52pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Anyone missing Winston?
Anyone been wondering what he’s been up to in India?
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/india-has-fierce-belief-in-freedom-new-zealand-deputy-pm-on-delhi-violence-2187404
Don’t s’pose he’s looking for some new donors?
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February 29, 2020 5:56pm
- Tall Man
  
  From the article, david parker’s comment
  
  “”The tragedy we suffered in the terrorist attack is a stain upon our country.”
  
  Please explain why. It was an Australian who was able to gain an illegal weapon due to law changes signed off by ardern and “what’s in it for wynston” in December 2017. The majority of voters did not vote for her so why a “strain on New Zealand”?
  
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  February 29, 2020 7:12pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  That would unset Shane who does not like Indians.
  
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  February 29, 2020 9:43pm
sooty

Comrade Cindy, where are you?
Are you shopping in the posh shops of Sydney?
Eating smashed arvo in the luuvies cafes in posh suburbs in Sydney?
We know you are only a Part Time Prime Minister, but aren’t you taking it a bit beyond a joke? Are you having a naughty holiday weekend?
When are you planning to come back?
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February 29, 2020 6:18pm
theoldbloke

Turn your $38mill in to $50 mill overnight.

Buy every combination ie 1 in 38mill chance of winning.
Given nobody else won. You would be $12 mill richer tonight.
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February 29, 2020 6:19pm
rightoverlabour

If you are bored tonight, watch this movie:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outbreak_(film)

I am sure is downloadable somewhere….
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February 29, 2020 8:03pm
rightoverlabour

More from Joannenova – Iran

http://joannenova.com.au/2020/02/iran-coronavirus-crisis-the-new-epicentre-of-the-world-australia-still-importing-deadly-disease/
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February 29, 2020 8:20pm
Tall Man

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/02/shane-jones-says-indian-students-have-ruined-nz-academic-institutions.html

shane tugger jones plays the race card for “what’s in it for wynston”.

What a despicable bunch they are, appeal to the basest instinct to grab the votes then “dump” the policy in the grab for power.

Just a quick refresher for those that bought the bullshit last time … Immigration cut to 10,000 and all maori seats to be abolished ….. Bottom line!
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February 29, 2020 8:33pm
Chuck Bird

I would like to see Comrade Ardern try a similar stunt with President Trump as she did on ScMo. He would not be so diplomatic as ScMo. I wonder what nickname he would choose for her.
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February 29, 2020 10:30pm
Michael NZ

Science is never settled, it always advances if in spits and spurts at times.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/03/parker_solar_probe_provides_more_reasons_why_global_warming_is_not_a_settled_science.html
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