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Two fish and a scoop thanks Cindy

ODE TO W, FROM J… xoxox
What’ll you do when you get lonely
And nobody’s waiting by your side?
You’ve been kingmaker much too long
You know it’s just your foolish pride

Winston, you’ve got me on my knees
Winston, I’m begging, darling please
Winston, darling won’t you ease my worried mind

I tried to give you consolation
When your donors had let you down
Like a fool, I fell in love with you
You turned my whole world upside down

Winston, you’ve got me on my knees
Winston, I’m begging, darling please
Winston, darling won’t you ease my worried mind

Make the best of the situation
Before I finally go insane
Please don’t say we’ll never find a way
And tell me all my love’s in vain

Winston, you’ve got me on my knees
Winston, I’m begging, darling please
Winston, darling won’t you ease my worried mind

Winston, you’ve got me on my knees
Winston, I’m begging, darling please
Winston, darling won’t you ease my worried mind
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February 28, 2020 8:01am
- Two fish and a scoop thanks Cindy
  
  Bugger… missed changing darling to master.
  
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  February 28, 2020 8:14am
- Doubledimp
  
  I prefer “Unisex Chip Shop” by Bill Bailey
  
  https://youtu.be/jo_9UgaxeJE
  
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  February 28, 2020 5:32pm
MT_Tinman

NZ Police fined $7000 plus other penalties.

What a load of pure and utter bullshit!

NZ Police don’t have any money, they use taxpayer money.

Fining them simply transfers taxpayer money from one place to another, at a cost – also to the NZ taxpayer.

Fining ANY Government department does this totally pointless, except to the civil servant paid to transfer the money, exercise.

Take any errant civil servant out and hang them, flog them, march them through the street naked. Fire them!

I don’t care which but the waste of my money fining them must stop!

I realise that the steps I recommend will also cost money but if they’re done in public and televised the entertainment and general lift in morale provided by the spectacle will be well worth the expense.

Simply transferring money for feel-good reasons is not.

Also posted here: https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=3593227314157276209#allposts
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February 28, 2020 8:01am
- G152
  
  Reduce their pay.
  Load up their mortgage
  Take their savings.
  That way they pay for their indiscretions and not the taxpayer
  
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  February 28, 2020 8:26am
- Tall Man
  
  Exactly. Sack the buggers that created the problem or at least name them.
  
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  February 28, 2020 8:52am
  - freethinker
    
    Name & shame works – I recall how Judge Boshier got shitty with protesters outside his house with placards.
    
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    February 28, 2020 9:31am
  - mark15
    
    Ladies and gentlemen,Stuart Nash!
    
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    February 28, 2020 10:49am
- curry4me
  
  MT_Tinman: A half way decent government would pass a law making civil servants liable for mistakes, and incompetence.
  
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  February 28, 2020 12:24pm
  - JeffW
    
    I agree with the sentiment, until of course Labour, the Melons and Winston are the judges of what is a mistake.
    
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    February 28, 2020 6:01pm
Than

I found a Stuff article this morning kind of amusing – Does anyone else out there have an annoyingly woke friend?

I guess woke must be in the eye of the beholder, because based on her past articles I would have described the author of this piece (Verity Johnson) as very woke herself. That shows even in this piece, where she was pleased to boast about her virtuousness for switching from cows milk to almond milk. But apparently she has a friend that is even more fanatical in her worship of progressive-activism. Even almond milk is a terrible sin to this individual – the truly woke should be drinking oat milk.

But after both of these woke-individuals switch to oat milk and are patting themselves on the back, how long until new research points out some terrible unintended consequence of oat farming or the processing needed to turn oats into milk? So they’ll have to swear off oat milk and switch to the next trendy woke milk-substitute… until more research proves how terrible that is.

It’s a path which can only lead to an ascetic existence, living on bread and water and wearing sackcloth.
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February 28, 2020 8:04am
- Gravelroad
  
  But, but, a lot of bread is made out of wheat, Than.
  Land, water and farmers are used to grow wheat……
  So no bread for the woke.
  
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  February 28, 2020 8:12am
  - Raphael
    
    The truly woke are breatharians.
    
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    February 28, 2020 8:22am
    - Than
      
      Nope, can’t have that – when you exhale it puts more CO2 into the atmosphere.
      
      The truly woke live life without breathing. Although not for very long mind-you.
      
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      February 28, 2020 8:26am
  - G152
    
    And sack cloth here is woven from flax so there’s a treaty problem right there
    
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    February 28, 2020 8:28am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Was it gluten-free oat milk?
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oat_sensitivity#Avenin-sensitive_enteropathy
  
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  February 28, 2020 8:18am
- Raphael
  
  We need to expose the evils of the Almond Milking Industry
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJCTIPWPNtw
  
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  February 28, 2020 8:19am
  - curry4me
    
    Raphael: Thanks for the vid. That guy is an excellent actor. Grandma, and grandpa were dairy farmers.
    
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    February 28, 2020 12:31pm
- Ruawai
  
  I live in Franklin and the environmental impact of crop farming is way more intensive than animal farming. Also these non milk milks are all packed in tetra paks which are very hard to recycle.
  Have a look at his link showing how ridiculous virtue signalling is with food.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIG9ozEDPVg
  
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  February 28, 2020 8:38am
  - Tall Man
    
    I lived next door to a broccoli farm and now live next to a dairy runoff unit.
    
    Never again would I live next door to a crop farm. Pesticides, herbicides, fungicides, hormone sprays and non stop noise. At least cattle have a wee lie down after lunch 😉
    
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    February 28, 2020 8:55am
    - sooty
      
      At the same time as you!
      
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      February 28, 2020 9:25am
      - Tall Man
        
        Shshh
        
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        February 28, 2020 12:24pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Wonderful!! That is exactly how the woke should be treated: criticized *constantly* by the uber-woke – or Titania McGrath fake uber-woke which all of us can be online ;).
  
  Every single thing a human does can be seen as somehow ‘harmful’ to the environment, other ethnic groups, other genders etc.
  
  Slam it right back into their woke faces!!
  
  Haha, our PM making almond milk for her fisherman when it turns out it kills billions of bees!
  
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  February 28, 2020 8:48am
  - LTA1955
    
    When the wokies turn up at their local pharmacist and their favourite fluoxetine is out of stock, screen & keyboard sales will go through the roof literally and figuratively, from Mum & Dads basement.
    
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    February 28, 2020 9:08am
- Komata
  
  Than @0804
  
  But, but (and if the woke-one takes it to it’s logical conclusion), the water CAN’T be from the taps (metal ‘contamination’), nor from a creek/river/ reservoir (farm pollution), so it can only come from the sky, but that is polluted (aircraft, birds etc) and even if it IS from that source, there is the problem of acquisition and storage; roofs have ‘pollutants’ (and bird muck etc.) from paint and ‘rust and…while plastics for storage pipes / tanks are aesthetically / environmentally unacceptable…
  
  Therefore the person you describe would seem to be ‘reduced’ to sitting outside on some dirt (having first cleared it of any plants / critters which might be hurt by the placing of said individual’s posterior on the ground surface) and waiting on a (hopefully pure, unpolluted and without encountering an aircraft beforehand) passing rain shower, when and if such an object ‘deigns’ to pass.
  
  The wait could be a long one (and probably shouldn’t be attempted in Canterbury or on the East Coast).
  
  It could give the term’ Having the courage of one’s convictions’ a whole new interpretation…
  
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  February 28, 2020 9:04am
- tf78
  
  I thought oat milk was actually porridge. Almonds use far too much water to be sustainable. Soy milk is the only way to go for these wokliness lovies.
  
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  February 28, 2020 9:53am
  - NoCash
    
    Soy contains estrogen, so not too good for the woke males.
    
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    February 28, 2020 10:42am
    - Jack5
      
      For years, health enthusiasts have been telling prostate cancer sufferers that soy may help, and if it does, it would likely also help other hormone-related cancers, such as breast cancer.
      
      However, this 10-year-old paper gives an idea of the two sides to the soy debate:
      
      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3074428/
      
      And this, from the South China Morning Post more recently, is a more “pop” summary:
      
      https://www.scmp.com/lifestyle/health-wellness/article/3023562/soy-good-or-bad-health-tofu-impossible-burgers-common
      
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      February 28, 2020 12:07pm
  - alloytoo
    
    Unless of course you’re allergic.
    
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    February 28, 2020 10:48am
  - Ian Hawthorn
    
    It is too thin to be porridge. It is gruel.
    
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    February 28, 2020 2:59pm
- rouppe
  
  Even the term “milk” for these products is irritating.
  
  Essentially the almonds, or oats, are soaked in water.
  
  Isn’t that tea, not milk?
  
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  February 28, 2020 3:08pm
  - Than
    
    It’s technically inaccurate, certainly.
    
    But these products are marketed and used as a substitute for cows milk, and a lot of people seem to think they taste similar enough. Arguing that they shouldn’t be called “milk”, well that fight is already lost.
    
    Along the same line, as somebody who passed basic chemistry a pet-peeve of mine is the term “organic food”. Exactly what types of food do these people think is non-organic? But that ship has well and truly sailed, the term is completely entrenched. Trying to fight its use would be pointless. Better just to accept it, and use it to mock and point out the total scientific illiteracy of its supporters.
    
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    February 28, 2020 4:32pm
Greg Ettridge

This cracked me up this morning.
Hosking on Kiwibuild
If December and January housebuild figures keep up, it will be 1180 years to sort the problem and promise.
“My Mum and a couple of her friends could build houses quicker than this mob”
Will they all be sitting around in 2200 discussing Jacinda’s brave move at filling housing shortage gap.
Bob Hawke made a classic statement on June 23, 1987.
It was a momentary mistake that stuck with Bob Hawke and became, when all was said and done, one of his most memorable lines.
“By 1990, no Australian child will be living in poverty,”
I ask Jacinda, by 2023, will no child live in poverdy in NZ.
It is impossible to completely remove poverdy, Jacinda doesn’t understand that money alone cannot buy a solution.
Say feel goods, bugger the reality.
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February 28, 2020 8:04am
- RW Capitalist
  
  “I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.”
  
  ― Winston S. Churchill
  
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  February 28, 2020 9:00am
- tf78
  
  They could do what they always do and change the goal posts of what determines poverdee.
  
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  February 28, 2020 9:56am
  - Michael NZ
    
    Why not, they’ve rescinded all the targets they could be held accountable for!
    
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    February 28, 2020 10:24am
- rightoverlabour
  
  I started doing some research on how quickly “Townships”were built in the 1950s in Apartheid South Africa. One Township near Benoni (Daveytown) had over 11,000 built in a year which evidently was a world record. Looks like we just need to borrow some ideas from the 1950 Apartheid.. It backs up my recalling a statement that 100,000 were built in one year in the country at that time.
  
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  February 28, 2020 10:32am
Misha Beattie

I am astounded that this is going to be raised yet again in a meeting with the Australian PM. The only conceivable outcome is negative for New Zealand.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/119863732/jacinda-arderns-pitch-to-scomo-stop-sending-us-your-crims
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February 28, 2020 8:05am
- peterwn
  
  No worries. ScoMo will politely tell her where to get off. Possibly the Oz High Commission has been keeping tabs on Kiwiblog and will have included that in their briefing papers for ScoMo.
  
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  February 28, 2020 8:13am
  - Misha Beattie
    
    Just to amplify my point about negative consequences. These can take two forms.
    
    Firstly, it impedes the development of a constructive personal relationship. Nobody likes to be nagged. Helen Clark and John Howard had a good relationship. Because they were both strong leaders.
    
    Secondly, it risks Australia doubling down by making the policy more restrictive so that more New Zealand citizens are captured in the net.
    
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    February 28, 2020 8:42am
    - Jack5
      
      And in the background is New Zealanders’ visa free entry to Australia.
      
      As NZ takes in ever more migrants from China and India, this has become a back door to Australia for these folk.
      
      If Australia closes visa-free entry to New Zealand residents, that will be a big loss to our young people.
      
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      February 28, 2020 9:11am
      - sooty
        
        The good ones will always be welcome in Australia!
        The not so good ones, will not even be allowed in for a holiday!
        
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        February 28, 2020 9:30am
      - MCos
        
        If New Zealanders go and live in Australia they’re not ‘our young people’ anymore, are they?
        Unless they are family.
        
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        February 28, 2020 9:31am
      - Ian Boag
        
        The “back door” thing applies to NZ permanent residents and citizens. Has always been there. It’s the reason so many Cook Islanders live in Oz – they are NZ citizens ….
        
        You need to look a bit harder at the “visa-free” entry. In fact there is a visa – called “Special Conditions Visa”. You pay tax and get access to Medicare and no other social services. No unemployment, no sickness benefit, kids don’t get student loans etc etc. You should also try not to give birth to a handicapped child because you will be on your own.
        
        Basically Kiwis on an SCV are what the Europeans used to call “guest workers”.
        
        The path to residency/citizenship is long and expensive. Some of the people being deported went to Australia with their parents as small children 25 years ago. Some have Australian wives and families.
        
        Go figure ….
        
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        February 28, 2020 9:46am
      - Nickc2
        
        It will be a very sad day for NZ if/when Australia decide no more free access for NZers. I find NZers who never venture outside NZ are firmly of the view that NZ is utopia.
        Believe me, it’s not and it hasn’t INHO been ever since David Lange came to power. His anti-US dictates kind of started the decline in our trustworthiness on the world stage.
        Moving ahead, when Helen Clark came to power, she could see that in order to turn NZ into a Socialist/Communist nation. the start point was by way of University teachings. She set about doing this by making it both financially and academically easy for anyone to go to these hotbeds of political indoctrination knowing full well that facilitators of the required doctrine were already in situ. She had been doing so herself for some years.
        Our offspring should be encouraged to undergo the overseas experience and then return and put their experience to good use by turning NZ into the utopia it could be.
        
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        February 28, 2020 10:00am
      - Misha Beattie
        
        Just to clarify – New Zealanders who moved to Australia before 26 February 2001 had a path to citizenship identical to that of all foreign nationals in Australia. i.e. almost exactly 19 years ago.
        
        Most of the people being deported from Australia now would have had a relatively easy path to Australian citizenship but chose not to take it. So, if a 50-year-old is being deported from Australia, I have no sympathy.
        
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        February 28, 2020 10:08am
      - Jack5
        
        Ian Boag says the path to Australian citizenship is “long and expensive”.
        
        How much does it cost? I find at the site linked to below a cost of $A250 for a “general eligibility application”. Perhaps someone on Kiwiblog has a more realistic total cost.
        
        I found interesting some of the requirements Australia requires of intended immigrants. These include:
        
        – All applicants must pass a standalone English examination that includes proficiencies in reading, writing, listening, and speaking the language.
        
        – Applicants must have lived in Australia as a permanent resident for at least four continuous years.
        
        – [This presumably of coming changes:] The citizenship examination will be amended and strengthened with new and more meaningful items to effectively assess the applicant’s knowledge, understanding, and commitment to shared Australian national values and responsibilities.
        
        – Applicants must be able to show the steps they have taken in order to successfully integrate into and contribute to the Australian community; evidence will be required, such as certificate of employment, proof of community organisation(s) membership(s), and school enrolment for eligible children.
        
        – An applicant can fail the citizenship examination a maximum of three times only.
        
        – Cheating during the citizenship examination will automatically result in a failing mark for the applicant.
        
        Cost, or part of the cost:
        
        https://www.mybusiness.com.au/human-resources/4102-how-much-does-it-cost-to-become-an-australian-citizen
        
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        February 28, 2020 11:21am
      - Ian Boag
        
        @Jack5
        
        The hard bit is becoming a permanent resident. Takes quite a while and costs about $5k per person (give or take) if it goes smoothly. More if it doesn’t. “Special Conditions Visa” is not permanent residency no matter how long you have lived there.
        
        You can apply for citizenship after you have been a PR and kept your nose clean for 4 years. Realistically you can’t apply for PR straight off the plane because you need a (well-paid) employment history. There are medicals and immigration fees and stuff.
        
        There are a lot of (particularly young) Kiwis in Oz who wouldn’t have a hope of getting PR (aside from the cost), even if they keep their noses clean and pay tax and stuff. From the government that they pay tax to they get medicare and nothing else.
        
        If they have a child in Oz and they live in Oz continuously until the child is 10, the child automatically becomes Australian on his/her 10th birthday. Parents’ status does not change ….
        
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        February 28, 2020 11:56am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    News this morning was that she’ll be telling ScoMo about these pooooor crims who have joined gangs here, some even sleeping rough!!
    
    I immediately thought his sensible response would be “We’re all the happier to be rid of them! You deal with it, Cindy!”
    
    As a hard-core Socialist she just doesn’t get that many people and many countries don’t think criminals are poor, lovable darlings.
    
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    February 28, 2020 9:21am
- Paulus
  
  Looks as though she is trying to look big – her last throw before the election (and probably her last anything with Australia).
  Do you really think that Morrison will take any notice of the little girl ?
  
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  February 28, 2020 8:24am
  - Misha Beattie
    
    Well being more dispassionate he would take no notice of any New Zealand PM. I spend time there. It is highly popular. I have some relatives over there who are no fans of Sco Mo. They are long time Labor voters. And they strongly support the policy.
    
    It is totally inconceivable that the policy will be changed. Except to widen its net!
    
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    February 28, 2020 8:46am
  - Nickc2
    
    I believe ‘stupid little girl’ is the term used in Parliament. It’s the term that Mallard carries around in his head.
    
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    February 28, 2020 10:14am
  - JB.49
    
    Stupid little girl.
    Fixed it.
    
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    February 28, 2020 10:28am
- RW Capitalist
  
  She has zero understanding of how to negotiate….anything.
  She thinks mentioning it, or demanding it will work.
  They will just say nice things about her (pat her on the head) and send her on her way.
  PSST….Jacinda….try some strategy and hard work.
  1. KNOW what you want.
  2. KNOW what you are prepared to GIVE to get it.
  3. PREPARE before hand, have a list of topics and a time frame for the meeting and for the implementation.
  4. Understand where your opponent is coming from and what they want to achieve.
  5. Be prepared to walk away if no progress is made.
  These are very simple steps, but you MUST be prepared to make them.
  
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  February 28, 2020 9:08am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    But she’s a socialist who thinks that she can pluck people’s heartstrings and will get what she wants. Feelz, not deals.
    
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    February 28, 2020 9:25am
  - sooty
    
    Get off the grass!
    All of those involve work!
    She would rather swan around and try to look pretty!
    
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    February 28, 2020 9:33am
    - Nickc2
      
      That’s a big ask Sooty.
      
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      February 28, 2020 10:17am
      - sooty
        
        I did say try!
        
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        February 28, 2020 10:59am
- tf78
  
  He might tell NZ to stop sending our annoying PTPM over to Aus to interrupt a man’s busy schedule.
  
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  February 28, 2020 9:57am
- Michael NZ
  
  Scomo must double down, allow NO appeals for convictions over 1 yr. None.
  
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  February 28, 2020 10:25am
- freemark
  
  Interesting.
  Crims who are generally on a benefit are Labour’s “target market” for some cheap votes.
  Polling must have shown that these thugs aren’t going to vote Left, so Cindy doesn’t want them here perhaps.
  I hope ScoMo tells her to Foxtrot Oscar, very publicly.
  
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  February 28, 2020 10:56am
  - Tomtoddy
    
    ScoMo listened to you freemark. She got a real belting. Media avoiding saying it.
    
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    February 28, 2020 6:18pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Looks like it is all go, folks

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-27/federal-government-coronavirus-pandemic-emergency-plan/12005734

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/02/trump-ready-coronavirus-live-updates-200226235731205.html
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February 28, 2020 8:06am
- Simon
  
  Naw its over. Coronavirus peaked in China and will probably peak outside of China later next month.
  
  Open border countries like Italy & S Korea fucked up but NZ, Aust & US came through ok.
  
  All that is left is TDS, click bait & government department empire building.
  
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  February 28, 2020 8:14am
  - Misha Beattie
    
    I hope you are correct but I think your optimism call is too soon. China has much tighter control over its population than Italy. And Iran? A gigantic population with densely packed cities in mid winter with freezing temperatures, packed public transport and congested populations inside from the weather. Looks ugly.
    
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    February 28, 2020 8:57am
    - freethinker
      
      [Mod: nope, not having that. Take a week off to consider the human impact of what you just said.]
      
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      February 28, 2020 9:41am
    - Simon
      
      “I hope you are correct but I think your optimism call is too soon.'”
      
      One month ago Wuhan hospitals were really struggling. But now the hospitals there are well resourced. That is resourced by outside Chinese cities. This wouldnt be possible unless the virus was contained. That is not wide spread in other Chinese cities. Basically the Chinese have pulled medical staff / resources from all around China into Wuhan.
      
      If the virus was as bad as being portrayed in MSM then Wuhan would not have staff from all around China in one area. Wuhan city would have collapsed. If Wuhan had collapsed then not even the CCP could not hide this.
      
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      February 28, 2020 10:31am
  - Ed Snack
    
    That’s only if you believe the Chinese figures – and I for one, aren’t that enamoured of the reliability of their numbers.
    
    Chinese death rate by their figures is 3.6%, and that’s worse than that of the 1918 Flu epidemic that killed 50M + world wide. COVID-19 (if that’s still the official designation, I’ve seen others) seems to spread very readily as well, by multiple mechanisms.
    
    Way too early to conclude anything, just IMHO.
    
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    February 28, 2020 9:01am
    - Batman
      
      The death rate reported overall is 2.3% which is close to the 2.5 of the 1918 flu.
      
      The difference is that now we have things like antibiotics to prevent secondary infections, steroids to stop inflammation, and respirators plus IVs etc.
      
      Even with all our medical technology, the death rate is still close to the 1918 flu. That is the really concerning part.
      
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      February 28, 2020 9:05am
      - DeepBlue
        
        And many third world countries don’t have those modern medical aids.
        
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        February 28, 2020 9:18am
      - Batman
        
        Yep, very suboptimal
        
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        February 28, 2020 9:20am
      - Michael NZ
        
        reported batman, reported…….
        
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        February 28, 2020 10:38am
      - Batman
        
        There are now more new cases outside China than inside.
        
        So unless you’re suggesting a grand conspiracy of the WHO and every government with confirmed cases, I’d say it’s accurate enough at this stage.
        
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        February 28, 2020 10:40am
      - Ruawai
        
        Plus international travel is a touch higher than in 1918 so the spread is much faster and more global.
        
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        February 28, 2020 11:24am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Latest numbers I saw were around 2,700 dead and 77,000 official cases. Just IMHO the rate is a bit lower because both numbers are significantly under-reported. Cases are probably North of 300K, possibly more.
        
        One place to watch will be Iran, they have been far less reactive and even senior members of their Government have been diagnosed with it. Trouble is the statistics from there will be equally unreliable.
        
        Note that although Saudi has closed pilgrim access to Mecca, travel to the Shia holy site at Qom is not blocked. That would be an “ideal” breeding ground and a way to mass distribute the virus.
        
        It is still hard to be sure, but the very worrying apparent facts are that it spreads really easily (higher R0 than flu), has a significant death rate, worse is that it only has a toll that low with the extensive use of high intervention strategies (Ed ICU treatment which is in very limited supply), there are asymptotic cases to aid the spread, and now stories that re-infected people have been detected suggesting that the immune system doesn’t always clear the virus – it can remain inactive and reappear in some circumstances. A fairly nasty mix.
        
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        February 28, 2020 7:05pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    sarc?
    Iran has >50k infected (based on numbers of infected who were coming out of Iran), going up 10x every fortnight, in a month and a half they will have millions dead.
    
    China is not remotely close to peaking – they are lying to try and keep population compliant, businesses open, and to prevent world from isolating them. Lots evidence including leaked data suggesting 10-100x official infected number there.
    
    Official infections outside china are increasing at consistent 10x per fortnight. In 6 weeks that is 10’s of millions, in 3 months the whole world and up to several hundred million dead (mortality increases a lot when hospitals overwhelmed).
    
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    February 28, 2020 9:13am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Deputy minister of health in Iran says 1400 dead so far (effectively confirming 150-300k infected at typical death:infected ratios seen in other countries). He’s infected himself. With around 10x growth every 10 days It’s going to kill millions in Iran in next 6 weeks.
      
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      February 28, 2020 10:00am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Seems the pope is sick after meeting with infected people.
      https://twitter.com/WayneDupreeShow/status/1233041019345743872
      
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      February 28, 2020 10:27am
      - Batman
        
        Got an actual news report of that or just one guy on Twitter who stitches a bunch of photos together?
        
        Looks like the time when people claimed Clinton had Parkinsons… Which funnily enough turned out to be disinformation.
        
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        February 28, 2020 10:32am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        https://news.sky.com/story/pope-francis-cancels-rome-mass-due-to-illness-vatican-says-11944729
        
        https://nypost.com/2020/02/27/pope-francis-sick-a-day-after-supporting-coronavirus-sufferers/
        
        https://time.com/5791543/pope-francis-cancels-slight-illness/
        
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        February 28, 2020 10:38am
  - NoCash
    
    If I remember correctly Italy was the first EU country to suspend flights from China, even before we did, so not an open border country.
    
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    February 28, 2020 9:40am
  - kloyd0306
    
    Fun Fact:
    Average number of deaths the last ten years from influenza in the US alone is 36,000 per annum.
    
    This is looking more and more like a media-driven panic and media have gotten so much wrong over the last five years.
    
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    February 28, 2020 9:43am
    - Batman
      
      Well just to be safe, the best thing you can do is wash your hands more regularly and especially after touching surfaces that others do.
      
      That’s a 30% – 60% benefit right there.
      
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      February 28, 2020 9:49am
      - Michael NZ
        
        cheers Batman, got it.
        
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        February 28, 2020 10:40am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Average person is very bad as assessing risk, and does not ‘get’ exponential growth. Death rate from Wuflu is ~1% if you can get good treatment. But once hospitals are overwhelmed, when you have about 1% of your population infected, it goes up to 3-5% as in Wuhan and Iran. Korea is maybe a month from that now. Rest of world a couple of months.
      
      You, and everyone, should be taking it really fucking seriously and pushing for aggressive response form govt. Once it is established it is just a matter of time..
      
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      February 28, 2020 10:10am
      - Batman
        
        The death rate is 2.3% with 20% of cases being serious enough to kill.
        
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        February 28, 2020 10:15am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Average person is very bad as assessing risk, and does not ‘get’ exponential growth
        
        Exactly!
        
        That’s why some of the world’s leading epidemiologists knew something serious was up early in January.
        
        It’s going to be a whole new ball-game over the next few months… I doubt that it will be business as usual.
        
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        February 28, 2020 10:43am
    - curry4me
      
      kloydo306: Yes, it’s just this years model with leather seats, and bluetooth.
      
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      February 28, 2020 12:45pm
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  We need to completely close the borders now.
  
  Not because of covid, but while the PTPM is out of the country, it’s really an opportunity that cannot be passed up!
  
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  February 28, 2020 8:23am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    What Australia is doing is even popular in NZ, according to polls.
    
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    February 28, 2020 8:45am
  - G152
    
    I have but one uptick to give…
    
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    February 28, 2020 9:54am
- Nostradamus
  
  Maggy:
  
  Looks like it is all go
  
  That can’t be right! Stephieboy (banned and not missed by anyone) assured us that it was all a storm in a teacup.
  
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  February 28, 2020 8:28am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Perhaps he’ll apologise and tell us he got it wrong..
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/02/coronavirus-lance-o-sullivan-admits-he-got-it-wrong-in-playing-down-fears-says-thousands-could-die-here.html
    
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    February 28, 2020 11:06am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Professor Michael Baker was on the money a month ago
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018736160/covid-19-virus-behaving-exactly-like-a-pandemic-epidemiologist
  
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  February 28, 2020 8:31am
  - Batman
    
    Maggy you are concerningly correct I think.
    
    Todays episode of the NYT news cast is on Covid and it is a pretty brutal report on what this thing actually is and the very real risks of it.
    
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/podcasts/the-daily/coronavirus.html
    
    I know the NYT isn’t trusted here but it’s very non-political and just covers the known facts about the science etc.
    
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    February 28, 2020 8:59am
    - coge
      
      The NYT closed down their climate reporting department a few years ago, so I’ll give them points for that.
      
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      February 28, 2020 11:13am
      - Batman
        
        Well the Senior Health reporter is a pretty hard case guy so it’s worth a listen. Certain better than the absolute shite on our local news websites.
        
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        February 28, 2020 11:18am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Now we have a case in NZ, travelled from Iran on a flight with hundreds of others, and has been at home for 3 days.
        
        I bloody hope that this government is aggressively tracing every passenger on the flight and their contacts for testing. Plus blocking entry to anyone who has been in Iran over the past 4 weeks. An quarantining the family and anyone in direct contact.
        
        Somehow though, I doubt that they are reacting like it is serious.
        
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        February 28, 2020 7:11pm
cas

All this rubbish from the govt that petrol will go down if there is competition etc. There are 2 Gull stations 50 km apart near where I live. The one in the bigger centre has prices for 91 17 cents dearer than the one in the small town. And I’m talking about provincial NZ not major cities. So explain that Megan.
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February 28, 2020 8:07am
- Gravelroad
  
  The price of petrol would also go down if the Government/s cut back on the huge amount of tax they add on to it.
  
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  February 28, 2020 8:15am
  - Misha Beattie
    
    How do you propose to fund roads?
    
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    February 28, 2020 8:50am
    - Andrei
      
      Charge cyclists road user and congestion charges
      
      Its so obvious a blind man could see it
      
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      February 28, 2020 9:20am
    - sooty
      
      Easy!
      Labour and the greens don’t build roads!
      
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      February 28, 2020 9:36am
    - Right of way is Way of Right
      
      Road user charges on EV’s using the roads at no cost to themselves might be a good start.
      
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      February 28, 2020 9:40am
      - Misha Beattie
        
        Funny yesterday in Wellington I saw a late model top of the line Tesla being charged at a ‘free’ charging point provided by the Wellington Council!
        
        Question: Why is the community providing FREE power to folk who can afford to buy a 150K car? Unbelievable.
        
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        February 28, 2020 10:30am
      - info@cruzpro.com
        
        Are you sure that the Council is funding that EV charger?
        
        We have some free charging points here in Whangarei, but I believe they are funded by Northpower not the Council.
        
        I believe that the free fast chargers in Silverdale are funded by Vector Energy as are the ones at some Pak n Save stores in Auckland.
        
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        February 29, 2020 8:01am
- igm
  
  Oil is down to $46 a barrel, yet we are still paying the same retail at pumps as when it was $70.
  Woods really “Done Good” . . . I think not, she is just another clown, trying to show her inferior muscle!
  
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  February 28, 2020 8:17am
  - sooty
    
    She don’t need muscle, she’ll just sit on it!
    
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    February 28, 2020 9:37am
  - MCos
    
    The government no longer controls the price of petrol as it did in the good old days.
    Your gripe is with the oil companies.
    
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    February 28, 2020 9:40am
    - igm
      
      No it was Ardern and Woods who stated they would sort the oil companies out. They even propose bullshit legislation to combat prices at the pump, of which they are responsible.
      Actually Anderton was the offender who removed regulations that governed fuel prices . . . he stated they would be lower due to competition . . . another Labour joke.
      
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      February 28, 2020 9:52am
- oldpark
  
  @cas
  Also not forgetting the circa $1.20 Dollars per litre the Government gouges off the motorists. lest we forget .Beats the hell out of any profit the petrol importers get . Yes the gouging has been hidden by the comments of SLG from small town Morrinsville . Her comments that NZs motorists were being “fleeced”. She omitted to clarify the “fleecing” by her Government .Just saying .
  
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  February 28, 2020 8:34am
  - Misha Beattie
    
    All the petrol tax is spent on transport. All of it. I’ve got no problem with petrol tax. It is spending it on trams and cycleways I object to. That’s why I was totally OK with Steven Joyce putting up petrol tax by 18 cents to fund better roads.
    
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    February 28, 2020 8:53am
    - MCos
      
      The only trams in NZ are those tourist ones in ch’ch.
      
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      February 28, 2020 9:42am
      - Misha Beattie
        
        I understand that but you do concede that the Government wants to build “light rail” AKA Trams?
        
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        February 28, 2020 10:32am
    - Two fish and a scoop thanks Cindy
      
      Most of the cycleway projects I’ve seen are needlessly convoluted in the name of ‘elf ‘n’ safety, and more often than not shift the dangers rather than eliminate them. Blame the traffic engineers and planners, not the cyclists. Painted lanes are fine when everyone sticks to their own…
      
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      February 28, 2020 12:44pm
      - Ian Hawthorn
        
        Many cycleway projects seem more like “inconvenience traffic” projects. Plastering slippery green and blue paint all over the road; cutting the speed limit; getting rid of parking places; adding speed bumps in silly places like on the EXITS from intersections; all these things seem designed to provide minimal assistance to cyclists while providing maximal inconvenience to traffic.
        
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        February 28, 2020 3:17pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Good commercial practice: larger captive customer base-higher prices.
  Having Cabinet Ministers without basic know how and experience is a recipe for economic disaster.
  
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  February 28, 2020 8:35am
  - curry4me
    
    KecO’Brien: In other words, they couldn’t run a whelk stall in Welkington on Sea, at the height of the whelk season, if they were giving the whelks away.
    
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    February 28, 2020 12:51pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  What is it that you think wrong or mysterious in your example? What do you think the difference in price, if any, ought by rights to be in such a case?
  
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  February 28, 2020 8:36am
- Scott
  
  cas – totally agree. I watched the article on three news last night and it seemed to me that the government spokeswoman was saying that they will have greater transparency in petrol prices and so prices will go down by as much as $0.30 per litre? So the government is going to regulate to get prices down and encourage more competition??
  
  Who thinks this is going to work? And isn’t the main thing driving our higher petrol prices the extra taxes put on by this very same government?
  
  One wonders if these people should really be in charge of a cake stall rather than managing the economy of a country?
  
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  February 28, 2020 8:38am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Don’t think they could even manage a cake stall – if indeed they still exist.
    Cake stalls, which were once very popular as an easy fundraiser, have been regulated out of existence. All cakes have to be made in a commercial kitchen, inspected and certificated.
    Health and safety dontcha know.
    Anyway – cakes are bad, milk is bad, fat is bad.
    Just as well wine and beer good – although don’t look too closely at the amount of water, land, sugar and chemicals used in the production of them.
    
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    February 28, 2020 8:55am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      And just as cake is bad, this govt. basically thinks petrol is bad. They are in a dilemma: a population that wants cars and roads, but a Paris agreement that wants zero CO2. And long rural distances that make electric cars unfeasible.
      
      Back to the horse and cart?
      
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      February 28, 2020 9:34am
      - Michael NZ
        
        Rescind Paris Agreement Simon?
        
        Nah, didn’t think so….
        
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        February 28, 2020 10:45am
      - Lance
        
        When cars first appeared (as grossly inefficient and smoke burning as they were back then) they were hailed as a wonder for the environment, because the cities and towns were being buried under horse shit and the stench and flies were unbearable.
        
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        February 28, 2020 11:52am
  - lemuzz
    
    “Who thinks this is going to work? And isn’t the main thing driving our higher petrol prices the extra taxes put on by this very same government?”
    Megan Woods does
    “One wonders if these people should really be in charge of a cake stall rather than managing the economy of a country?”
    Megan Woods should.
    
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    February 28, 2020 11:59am
    - Paulus
      
      Isn’t Woods the special Minister who has settled all the Christchurch Earthquake Claims with taxpayer’s money ?
      What are so many not settled ? – 2000+ I have heard estimated.
      
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      February 28, 2020 1:51pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  https://www.aa.co.nz/cars/owning-a-car/fuel-prices-and-types/how-petrol-prices-are-calculated/
  So if goods were to have only GST added.
  The price of 91 oct would be around $1:40.
  
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  February 28, 2020 8:57am
  - MCos
    
    I read an article recently about new cars in America.
    Petrol there is cheap and getting cheaper. As a consequence the car manufacturers bring our bigger cars.
    In England, where the stuff is dear, the cars are much smaller.
    Here, where cars are never decommissioned & not many people ever buy a new one, higher prices means fewer cars on the roads.
    
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    February 28, 2020 9:52am
    - MCos
      
      I was walking along a street the other day with quite a few parked cars and it was almost like a car museum.
      
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      February 28, 2020 9:56am
    - mark15
      
      But Britain has roads in urban areas that were built in roman times.Lincoln has the oldest roman arch that you are allowed to drive through and I dont think a Ford f150 would !
      
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      February 28, 2020 10:59am
    - curry4me
      
      MCos: That’s good news. Now all they have to do is revive tail fins,and chrome.
      
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      February 28, 2020 12:53pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      Actually it is also related to distances one travels. Small cars are considerably less comfortable and useful when travelling serious distances. US cars are big at least in part for that reason, though vanity is another reason.
      
      That’s the reason there’s so many damn Ford Rangers every where driven by commuters who think it makes them look “macho”.
      
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      February 28, 2020 7:15pm
- Ed Snack
  
  Perfectly normal free market response for a practically undifferentiated product with a low price elasticity and a relatively strong brand ID. The sellers charge as much as they think they can get away with – doesn’t require any coordination, just a bit of “live and let live” with regard to prices.
  
  The situation though can change rapidly if one station decides to drop prices to gain volume, then the others will almost certainly follow until a new equilibrium is reached at a lower level of profit for all. Usage though won’t change significantly; so price competition is lose-lose for the sellers.
  
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  February 28, 2020 9:07am
- oldfella
  
  Maybe we could produce cheaper petrol/diesel if we found some big oil reserves of our own.
  Oh, sorry, I forgot. Did we really stop drilling? Really? How stupid was that?
  What’s the chance of National overturning that ‘wokey’ policy? They’d upset a few people, who wouldn’t vote for them anyway, but might make a lot of new friends.
  
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  February 28, 2020 10:52am
Paulus Gnome

How we, New Zealanders, are treated by the the media except ‘f**k Mike Hoskin’ according to the Topp tossers.

https://m.facebook.com/NewConservativeNZ/photos/a.177639248979087/2823629744380011/?type=3&source=48&refid=7&_ft_=qid.6798204095776505202%3Amf_story_key.-3078376333205795683%3Atop_level_post_id.3301677899866606%3Acontent_owner_id_new.100000732856412%3Aoriginal_content_id.2823629807713338%3Aoriginal_content_owner_id.155117061231306%3Apage_id.155117061231306%3Asrc.22%3Aphoto_id.2823629744380011%3Astory_location.5%3Aattached_story_attachment_style.photo%3Aview_time.1582830235%3Afilter.h_nor%3Atds_flgs.3%3Apage_insights.%7B%22155117061231306%22%3A%7B%22page_id%22%3A155117061231306%2C%22actor_id%22%3A100000732856412%2C%22attached_story%22%3A%7B%22page_id%22%3A155117061231306%2C%22actor_id%22%3A155117061231306%2C%22dm%22%3A%7B%22isShare%22%3A0%2C%22originalPostOwnerID%22%3A0%7D%2C%22psn%22%3A%22EntStatusCreationStory%22%2C%22post_context%22%3A%7B%22object_fbtype%22%3A266%2C%22publish_time%22%3A1582481452%2C%22story_name%22%3A%22EntStatusCreationStory%22%2C%22story_fbid%22%3A%5B2823629807713338%5D%7D%2C%22role%22%3A1%2C%22sl%22%3A5%7D%2C%22dm%22%3A%7B%22isShare%22%3A0%2C%22originalPostOwnerID%22%3A0%7D%2C%22psn%22%3A%22EntStatusCreationStory%22%2C%22role%22%3A1%2C%22sl%22%3A5%2C%22targets%22%3A%5B%7B%22actor_id%22%3A100000732856412%2C%22page_id%22%3A155117061231306%2C%22post_id%22%3A2823629807713338%2C%22role%22%3A1%2C%22share_id%22%3A0%7D%5D%7D%7D&__tn__=EHH-R
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February 28, 2020 8:07am
- peterwn
  
  The one who uttered that should be trespassed from Parliament grounds for two years. But Trevor would not want to upset them.
  
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  February 28, 2020 8:16am
  - Paulus
    
    Not much longer for Trevor before he goes to the Knackers Yard.
    
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    February 28, 2020 1:53pm
- Misha Beattie
  
  Just a suggestion for next time.
  
  https://tinyurl.com/
  
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  February 28, 2020 8:19am
  - Tall Man
    
    That deserved double ticks 🙂
    
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    February 28, 2020 9:01am
  - Two fish and a scoop thanks Cindy
    
    I like Hyperlinks 🙂
    
    – links to page showing HTML code
    
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    February 28, 2020 9:23am
- Scott
  
  Paulus Gnome – a very good illustration of how New Zealanders are constantly bombarded by a very left-wing radical media.
  Given the awful performance of the labour coalition I would have thought they would be tanking in the polls? But they are propped up by the media who think that Jacinda is a marvellous woman with a wonderful partner and a beautiful child, and that is all that really matters.
  
  It seems that competent governance is no longer a thing as far as our media masters are concerned.
  
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  February 28, 2020 8:41am
  - sam green
    
    Grow up.
    
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    February 28, 2020 10:30pm
Yvette

The Prime Minister, donning a hijab as she did following the March 15 shootings, visited Lautoka Mosque in the western Fijian centre of Lautoka on Thursday, saying it was a privilege to be in the house of prayer.
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To the attention of New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern
Madam Prime Minister,

… no tragedy can justify ignoring universal values of equality and freedom. As citizens of Canada of Muslim faith and /or culture, we find it crucial to inform you of the disastrous fallout of the pseudo-religious parody that you exhibited along with women in your Country, no doubt because of ignorance, and as a sign of solidarity, wearing an Islamist and not a Muslim veil. This veil symbolises the de-facto inferioritization of women. In its most degrading form, it serves as a banner for Islamist Groups such as ISIS, Boko Haram and Chebab who kidnap, rape, murder and unscrupulously imprison women in the countries where they rule. Doing so, New Zealanders seem to be unconscious about an extreme Religious Right which instrumentalises women in advancing a totalitarian political agenda.

… Madam Prime Minister, we appeal to your sense of responsibility to stop trivializing the veiling of women and girls. As our compatriot Tarek Fatah says, compassion with the fallen Muslims in Christchurch is an absolute duty, whether they are men or women, wearing a veil or not. Consenting to become a living bilboard for this symbol of political Islam is an unconsciousness towards the Islamic agenda.

The Quebec Association of North Africans for Secularism (AQNAL)
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You can never make the same mistake twice because the second time, it`s not a mistake, it’s a choice.
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February 28, 2020 8:22am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Plenty more opportunities coming up. The Muslim community did not want 15 Mar memorial services as it was contrary to their customs. Cindy needs it for PR.
  Women are certainly put down badly in Islam. Respect for other cultures or religious groups doesn’t require promotion of them.
  What about Kiwi Culture?
  
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  February 28, 2020 9:13am
  - Yvette
    
    What about Kiwi Culture?
    
    Going by last year’s memorial service, there was certain amount of Kiwi Culture – a notable amount Maori culture, some of which alludes in turn to Christian culture, and all of it after – in that particular case – the Islamic Call for Prayer, which states Allah is the only God.
    So a certain amount of cultural confusion, which probably means all parties are going through the motions, without thinking about what anyone is actually saying, or ignoring what is being said, as in some cases is deemed right for the overall emergence of their political religion.
    How else can you handle an exclusive culture in an inclusive way?
    
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    February 28, 2020 10:06am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Mixing cultures can be a recipe for a social mess.
      
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      February 28, 2020 11:04am
artemisia

Period poverty is back in the news, with Scotland deciding to spend $NZ50 million to makes sanitary products free. In New Zealand KidsCan, drawing on Youth 19 survey found over 21% of students in decile one schools had missed school due to a lack of menstrual products, with 14% missing more than a day a month.

Last year KidsCan supplied more than 30,000 boxes of pads, tampons and liners. This year that is projected to rise four-fold to 120,000 boxes after a push to educate students on the support available.

Because if it is free they will come?

Countdown, Warehouse and New World all sell sanitary pads at 10 cents each. So couple of dollars a month for most young people. Why are parents prioritising 2 bucks a month over their daughters attending school. Something does not add up here.

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/ED2002/S00029/more-action-needed-to-combat-young-peoples-experiences-of-period-poverty.htm
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February 28, 2020 8:23am
- Tall Man
  
  Approx 56% of maori regularly play hooky. I think the stats are bullshit, any excuse to avoid school.
  
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  February 28, 2020 9:04am
  - MCos
    
    There was a Kiwiblog item on this subject a couple of weeks ago.
    My son teaches at a Decile 3 school with pretty much no pakeha kids. Their daily attendance is in the lower nineties percent. About half of the absentees are unexplained.
    He told me if a school gets much lower than about 80% the Ed Dept involves themselves.
    Note that reading the report attached to the Kiwiblog article around 40-50% of kids have a perfect attendance record each semester, from memory. So if you miss half a day sick that counts as imperfect.
    
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    February 28, 2020 10:20am
- cmm
  
  I call bullshit.
  
  They’re just wagging school and find this is a convenient excuse.
  
  None of them will have any trouble finding $2 a month for fizzies and crisps.
  
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  February 28, 2020 9:14am
  - Gravelroad
    
    And constant use of mobile phones cmm.
    I mentioned this to a group of women ie: how come young women can’t afford period products but they (or their parents/caregivers) can afford to fund the constant use of phones?
    I was quickly shot down. “Phones are more necessary as that is the only way young people can achieve and maintain communication and a social life.”
    So when you are off school because you can’t afford a packet of tampons, you can spend your time and money on data. Long live candy crush.
    
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    February 28, 2020 9:25am
  - sooty
    
    You won’t buy much fuzzies and chips on $2 mth!
    
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    February 28, 2020 9:44am
- Nutta
  
  100% of the NZ population needs food and water. Is making this “free” the next step? Is “period poverty” just the door opener?
  
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  February 28, 2020 10:42pm
JimBobJoe

hmmm – election announced – ‘I’m living in a tent’ story front and centre on Stuff’s home page.

Colour me shocked…
[8:25 am]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/119574246/marlborough-woman-left-saddened-after-struggle-to-get-permanent-housing
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February 28, 2020 8:24am
- Frank Thomas
  
  Yep, another Stuff article that attempts to pimp the poor. Its been a while.
  The number of times these stories ommit details or tell half truths is just ridiculous. I thought this government had ‘solved’ the housing crisis? Stuff obviously didn’t get the memo from the Beehive 9th floor……
  
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  February 28, 2020 9:40am
Liberty

This week’s cry of the week.
If Miss entitled spent more time working and less time Inking
She might find life was not such a struggle.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/119574246/marlborough-woman-left-saddened-after-struggle-to-get-permanent-housing
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February 28, 2020 8:31am
- Tony Stuart
  
  It’s all National’s fault, of course. Nine years of neglect, and all that… (Sarcasm ends)
  
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  February 28, 2020 8:45am
- artemisia
  
  She elected to move to Marlborough, well known for housing shortage, couldn’t get on with flatmate, she and partner on benefit, allocated a state house but couldn’t make ends meet, so they moved out. Too far from where she and partner worked? Ah, nope.
  
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  February 28, 2020 8:52am
Nostradamus

Paulus Gnome:

You’ll get a better result if you type this (but replacing the square brackets with less than and greater than mathematical signs):

[a href=”www.yourlink.com”]your text[/a]

So, putting this into practice, here’s a shorter version of your link.

Edit: bugger – can’t get it to work!
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February 28, 2020 8:32am
Tony Stuart

You’re not likely to see this reported on conventional media today, but check out this video of Simon Bridges coming good at a public meeting in Tauranga last night. The Mongrel Mob sent along their PR woman, which in hindsight, wasn’t a very good move.

https://twitter.com/simonjbridges/status/1232913492232900608

National’s strong law and order stance, in particular its plans to clamp down on gangs, is clearly resonating with the voting public, so let’s make sure people see Bridges in full flight!
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February 28, 2020 8:35am
- Raphael
  
  Given that gang violence in Tauranga has seen, in the last month, 3 people murdered, and one rabid feral put down by the cops, Bridges’ was preaching to the choir last night. The PR person never stood a chance, especially as she was trying to make out that gangs members are such good people.
  (I missed the meeting due to a scheduling conflict, but with I gone to support National)
  
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  February 28, 2020 8:47am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

A sensible article on coronavirus.
I wonder if the PTPM has bothered to think about this? or does she want coronavirus in NZ so she can tilt the head, put on a concerned face and gain political mileage from it?
https://www.bookwormroom.com/2020/02/26/lets-talk-about-coronavirus/?fbclid=IwAR2XokVh5tFFaH_aMAedEZlqnsi4FQh2Qod6vpEfewxHo9FJ8BepvlCQq94
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February 28, 2020 8:44am
- Ruawai
  
  And put on a face mask and hazmat suit to go with her hijab.
  
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  February 28, 2020 9:09am
RW Capitalist

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/shows/2020/02/poll-do-you-believe-the-government-will-be-able-to-lower-the-price-of-petrol.html
HAVE YOUR SAY
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February 28, 2020 8:46am
- Raphael
  
  Yes. Government can drop the price of petrol easily.
  Simply by reducing the tax they put on it.
  
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  February 28, 2020 10:05am
- Hacked-Off
  
  I voted ‘No’ because this Government will not reduce it’s own fuel taxes and apparently 81% of those who voted agree with me, but it will never happen.
  
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  February 28, 2020 10:45am
cmm

Does PriNZess really want to win the election?

This is something I raised in 2017 when Angry Andy was running Labour.

I mean, why win the election? Leader of the opposition takes home a nice pay cheque – same as a Minister. PM takes home a bit more, but is it really enough to justify all the extra work and drama of dealing with Winston etc? I don’t think so.

PriNZess has done her time as PM, so she has ticked that box for her real career plan, #CinD4UN.

She has also bribed all her Pacific mates so she will get red carpet holidays and fishing trips for the rest of her life and they will support her in her UN bid.

So why not just kick back as Leader of the Opposition for a few years until she can get the UN gig sorted?
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February 28, 2020 8:48am
- KevO'Brien
  
  With that calibre of potential UN staffers the UN is done for.
  
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  February 28, 2020 9:19am
- Classic Liberal
  
  I think she wants to win, because the IUSY manifesto is her bible. She wants to achieve equal outcomes whatever people’s input (redistribute wealth and more govt. ownership of resources), more cultural correctness (ban freedom of speech, Maori claims on private property ).
  
  If you want to know what this woman wants for NZ, read the IUSY manifesto and shudder.
  
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  February 28, 2020 10:03am
cmm

Inshallah, except when coronavirus shows its head.

Saudi Arabia shuts down Mecca

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel-troubles/119877074/saudi-arabia-suspends-mecca-pilgrimages-to-block-coronavirus
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February 28, 2020 8:52am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  All part of Allah’s divine plan, pointless to fight it – Iran by contrast are proper believers refusing to quarantine hotbed holy-city of Qom (though high proportion of Iranians are in abject poverty and cannot weather a quarantine), a million dead in Iran in next 2 months is a small price to pay for maintaining faith.
  
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  February 28, 2020 8:57am
Happychappy

So this Government is going on about a plan they have in place if the Coronavirus hits NZ, according to Grant Robertson they have three plans. Well let’s hope it is not like the Meningococcal that Plagued Northland without having enough vaccines to cope then we had the flue vaccines to cover the winter illnesses and again the Health Minister let the country down with not enough vaccines ordered. But the biggest and worst was still to come with the Measle Epidemic with again not enough Vaccines or a plan in place that resulted in many deaths in Samoa from agains very poor Health Minister not doing his job and a Labour Prime Minister with blood on her hands.
So let’s be honest who could really believe what our Prime Minister ,Finance Minister, and Health Minister say as they have been found out and shown to be out of there depth in health problems that they have been associated with in the last two and a half years.
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February 28, 2020 9:14am
- Tony Stuart
  
  To be fair Happychappy, whilst I have no time for the current government, we can’t really blame them for not stockpiling a vaccine which hasn’t yet been developed!
  
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  February 28, 2020 9:23am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Is Twfords adviser to this triumvirate of incompetents? Would you trust your health to a COL Minister?
  
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  February 28, 2020 9:25am
Maggy Wassilieff

So it’s not cultural practice to have memorial services, just an excuse for our politicians to grandstand at a tragedy

Other Muslim associations have also distanced themselves from commemorative services.

Part of the issue was that in Islamic culture, marking anniversaries was not typically done, Rizwan said.

Muslims don’t want March 15 memorial service: ‘We want to move on’
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12312378
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February 28, 2020 9:17am
- Andrei
  
  The “aniversary” is only an “aniversary” if you use the Papist Gregorian Calendar – the Islamic calendar is lunar not solar and years are 354 or 355 days not the Gregorian 365.25
  
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  February 28, 2020 9:27am
- Gravelroad
  
  Quick, get that onto the front page of Time magazine.
  March 15th will be milked mercilessly by Jacinda and the CoL as a big part of their re-election campaign of triteness.
  They are really looking forward to it……
  
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  February 28, 2020 9:30am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    “March 15th will be milked mercilessly by Jacinda and the CoL” to shut us up further in ‘hate speech’ laws.
    
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    February 28, 2020 10:12am
- Tony Stuart
  
  From the ODT’s version of the same story:
  
  However, Otago Muslim Association president Mohammed Rizwan said many of the victims and their families were not consulted about the service, and were unhappy it was going ahead.
  
  Other Muslim associations have also distanced themselves from commemorative services.
  
  Part of the issue was that in Islamic culture, marking anniversaries was not typically done, Mr Rizwan said.
  
  “We remember every day what has happened, and pray for those who have lost their lives every day.
  
  “We do not need a fixed day to actually remember them.”
  
  He said those affected were “just informed” that a service would be happening, rather than being consulted about whether they wanted one.
  “If you talk to the victims and families of the victims, most of them will tell you, they don’t want it.
  
  “They just want to move on; they don’t want to remember it again.”
  
  He said the Dunedin City Council had consulted the association about holding a memorial event but, after getting feedback, decided against it.
  
  “They respected our wishes.”
  
  He accepted the service was happening, but his organisation would not be promoting it or attending.
  
  A Canterbury Muslim Association spokeswoman said the association was not involved with organising the service.
  
  “We want to move forward and go on with our lives.”
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/memorial-service-unwanted
  
  How many taxpayer and ratepayer dollars will be spent promoting an event, in election year, which the people most profoundly affected neither want nor plan to support?
  
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  February 28, 2020 9:30am
  - Tall Man
    
    But ardern needs another photo op in tea towel ……. Don’t be so mean 😉
    
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    February 28, 2020 9:32am
    - Paulus
      
      She has a new tea towel in Fiji where she had a trial celebration of the Christchurch shooting.
      Just a practice for the Ides of March !
      
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      February 28, 2020 2:00pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Captain’s call. Let’s do this, we will do this – year of delivery
    
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    February 28, 2020 9:45am
  - Yvette
    
    This gives an interesting context to Ardern’s statement “They are us.”
    
    “We are okay with it, in the sense that this is what the rest of New Zealand wants” –
    so They will not mind us being us.
    
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    February 28, 2020 10:12am
- Biscuit
  
  Contrast that to Christianity, Maggy.
  
  We get annual reminders/celebataions/commemorations of the day Mr Christ got born, died, had his first tooth…
  
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  February 28, 2020 9:34am
  - Swifty
    
    The Mussies celebrate/commemorate all sorts of things annually:
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_holidays#Dates_of_holidays_and_other_days_of_note
    
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    February 28, 2020 9:52am
    - Tall Man
      
      Who wants to “celebrate” March 15?
      
      Not even Caesar would either.
      
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      February 28, 2020 9:54am
      - Swifty
        
        No, March 15 would be a commemoration.
        
        Like we commemorate April 25.
        
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        February 28, 2020 10:10am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Beware the Ides of March–Ardern approaches.
        
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        February 28, 2020 11:19am
- Swifty
  
  “Part of the issue was that in Islamic culture, marking anniversaries was not typically done….”
  
  But, aren’t they in New Zealand now?
  
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  February 28, 2020 9:49am
  - cmm
    
    From my limited understanding, the way it works is that you praise Mohammed and follow Islamic holidays etc. as prescribed in the Quoran. Anything else is a form of idolatry.
    
    If you commemorate 15 March then you are essentially creating a new special holiday. Mere people cannot do that. Only Mohammed, the perfect one, can. If Mohammed wanted 15 March commemorated then he’d have said so in the Quoran.
    
    And no, I am not being flippant. This is how it works.
    
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    February 28, 2020 11:10am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      It is not how it works at all in Christian country. We are not Muslim in NZ nor have we given Govt the mandate to change. This is an abuse of our rights.
      To a Christian the proposals are both personally offensive and an offence to the God we worship.
      
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      February 28, 2020 11:17am
      - Michael NZ
        
        I might disagree kev.
        
        Yes CCH was an outlier (Muslims massacring kiwis was what was expected rather).
        It was an Australian visitor who murdered them not a Kiwi.
        We Kiwis showed our horror and anger against the murders in many ways led by Jacinda Adhern.
        
        How is commemorating a massacre of Muslims offensive to Yahweh or Yeshua?
        
        They are all going to hell with the rest of us anyway aren’t they?
        
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        February 28, 2020 11:29am
      - Batman
        
        You mean the God you worship?
        
        It was a crime perpetrated against people of a particular faith, I think it’s fair enough that they get some say in how it is commemorated.
        
        I’m sure a middle ground will be reached.
        
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        February 28, 2020 11:32am
      - cmm
        
        Certainly a historically Christian country is entitled to celebrate whatever it likes.
        
        However, we’d then be celebrating this event for Christians and Muslims would not feel included by this.
        
        Most people would see this as a celebration to make Muslims feel that they fit in, but it achieves exactly the opposite.
        
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        February 28, 2020 12:10pm
    - Swifty
      
      cmm, you may well be right – but certainly the Shia seem to be able to make exceptions:
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quds_Day
      
      When it suits them.
      
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      February 28, 2020 11:44am
      - cmm
        
        The difference is that this is just clipped on to an existing Islamic holiday: Ramadan.
        
        This is not a newly minted holiday. Only the prophet, in his perfection, could do that.
        
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        February 28, 2020 12:12pm
      - Swifty
        
        Fair point cmm.
        
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        February 28, 2020 12:51pm
  - Michael NZ
    
    Not true Swifty.
    
    They honour old victories against the Kafir with more of the same!
    also they attack on old dates of their losses to redeem the losses.
    
    This has been part of Islamic Jihad since the beginning.
    Read The Sword and Scimitar by Raymond Ibrahim ISBN 9 780306 825552
    and
    The History of Jihad from Muhammad to Isis by Robert Spencer ISBN 978-1-68261-659-8
    
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    February 28, 2020 11:23am
    - Swifty
      
      Thanks.
      
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      February 28, 2020 11:45am
Jack5

The Greens may be about to get a chance to demonstrate how they stand on freedom of speech …

The Green Conservation Minister, Eugenie Sage, may intervene in the Southland Fish and Game row in which the organisation’s council has given a councillor until 4pm today to resign, reports the Otago Daily Tmes.

Councillor Ken Cochrane was given the ultimatum by other councillors over remarks he made to a whitebaiters’ meeting, not held by the organisation, in which he made remarks about female conservation scientists. It may be that Southland Fish and Game does not have the power to sack Cochrane.

The newspaper reports that Section 26ZA of the Conservation Act says any member of a Fish and Game Council may “at any time be removed from office by the Minister for bankruptcy, inability to perform the functions of the office, neglect of duty, or misconduct, or a conviction for an offence involving sports fish or game or protected wildlife”.

The Minister could also remove a member of the council for failure to carry out functions under the Conservation or the Wildlife Acts.

The Dunedin newspaper says a source close to the national Fish and Game council told it that if Cr Cochrane refused to quit, Ms Sage could intervene.

The controversy began when Cochrane, at a Southland Recreational Whitebaiters Association meeting, spoke about the Department of Conservation whitebait management discussion document, proposing changes to whitebaiting.
Cochrane said:

“I sat there one day and I thought, what I am listening to is a whole bunch of chick scientists, and if you really looked at the view that they were pitching, [it] was everybody in New Zealand should not shave their armpits, they should wear dreadlocks, and when they go whitebaiting they should do it in jandals only.

“And after they catch one patty for tea they should sit down, hold hands and sing Kumbaya. That was the feeling I got.”

Cochrane, who is in his second term as a councillor of Southland Fish and Game, says his comments during a half-hour speech to whitebaiters were not made in his role as a councillor, but as a person who had experience as part of the “whitebait working party”.

Cochrane has apologised for his comments.

Cochrane will be a different man now that he knows you can be thrown out of office for things you say outside your organisation and that may offend – even if you don’t intend to offend. He will also know that the Woken mob have no sense of humour. None at all.
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February 28, 2020 9:41am
- KevO'Brien
  
  the Woken mob. They truly act as a mob, reason is irrelevant as they have their own personal compasses and weapons.
  
  Without freedom of expression, no matter how much some others may detest it, there can be no truth. Force only turns prisoners to face the wall before execution. Forced views denies society.
  
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  February 28, 2020 11:12am
- Loddenthinks
  
  If Eugenie Sage does get involved then I’m sure it will only be to calm things down, point out that the words were not intended to cause harm, and that we should all just keep a sense of perspective about these things, for goodness’ sake.
  
  That would be the sage thing to do.
  
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  February 28, 2020 2:24pm
Fletch

An activist Maori lawyer lady on Breakfast this morning made TV presenter Hayley Holt cry, saying that the white govt is racist towards Maori, and so are the police, and that Maori women would rather stay in abusive relationships (“and face the fist”) because they are afraid of their treatment by the Police.

I’ve never heard such poppycock. According to an online story, the lawyer, Julia Whaipooti is a “Wellingtonian social justice warrior who wants to reshape the ‘pale, male, stale’ world of law”.

Uhuh. She’s just an SJW activist who sees racism everywhere and made an emotional pregnant host cry on TV.

Shameful.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/breakfast-presenter-hayley-holt-breaks-down-in-tears-after-powerful-report-police-mistreatment-m-ori
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February 28, 2020 10:10am
- Nickc2
  
  You need to ask why TVNZ put such a person in front of the cameras.
  Yep, it suits their purpose, creating controversy our of trivia.
  It’s a worry, there are many more of those SJWs, our universities turn them out by the truck load.
  
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  February 28, 2020 11:35am
- Classic Liberal
  
  “an SJW activist who sees racism everywhere” and is actually creating plenty of racism herself.
  
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  February 28, 2020 1:06pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  First they pointed to Maori offenders getting harsher penalties for the same crime which was proven a lie by comparing histories/pleas etc.
  Now they are comparing first offences as if the penalty for drinking in public should be the same as serious assault.
  These people are dishonest and should be ignored.
  
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  February 28, 2020 1:14pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  She is the racist one, and the tattoo on her face lets you know. Look at me look at me, I am important.
  Hayley Holt needs to harden up. She was offended, but nothing happens when you are offended. Just ignore it
  
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  February 28, 2020 2:27pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Here’s a question for the SJW/Lawyer/activist/victim of colonialism: If the system is racist, please advise what Oranga Tamariki should have done with the poor kid that got beaten to a pulp by one or more people closest to him and who should have been keeping him safe?
  
  Seems to me that if they notice the signs and remove the kid – which, by the way, they had already done at least once – they get called systemic racists and statistics are trotted out demonstrating how many maori kids get removed from the family.
  
  If they leave the kid with the family, he ends up in Starship, brain-damaged and on life support, and the “family” clams up and closes ranks, just like with the Kahui twins. oranga Tamariki is slammed for neglecting a poor kid in a very dangerous situation.
  
  Here’s a suggestion Julia – how about you maoris stop beating your kids to death? That would be great, and would solve your problem too – fewer maoris getting locked up by the racist system – simples.
  
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  February 28, 2020 2:31pm
Manolo

The MSM is having a field day with the coronavirus thing, which has been a blessing for journos and doom mongers of all kind. Shame on those buggers.
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February 28, 2020 10:52am
kevn

@Fletch… Why do they give crackpots interviewing time?
Ratings?
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February 28, 2020 10:53am
Chuck

So Winston is found out once again for telling porkies…

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12312436

Winston had the facts apparently National had illegally hacked the budget!
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February 28, 2020 11:17am
- Tall Man
  
  Released while neither he or ardern are in the country. Gosh, what a coincidence.
  
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  February 28, 2020 12:27pm
Manolo

For the inversionists out there:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/27/heres-how-long-stock-market-corrections-last-and-how-bad-they-can-get.html

The U.S. stock market fell into a correction Thursday as investors punished equities in favor of safer assets as anxiety over the spread and potential impact of the virulent coronavirus.

A correction is defined as a 10% decline in one of the major U.S. stock indexes, typically the S&P 500 or Dow Jones Industrial Average, from a recent 52-week high close.
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February 28, 2020 11:22am
kevn

@Chuck… whinney is becoming tragic now. But there is an entertainment element.
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February 28, 2020 11:37am
Fletch

Israel scientists may have stumbled on to a vaccine for the Corona virus “by luck”. They were already working on a vaccine for bronchitis, and the Coronoa virus is very similar. Note that 22% of all the Nobel prizes have been won by Israeli’s, which make up only 0.2% of the world’s population.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2020/02/coronavirus-scientists-stumble-on-potential-vaccine-by-pure-luck.html
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February 28, 2020 11:40am
- Manolo
  
  Long live the Jewish State! 🙂
  
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  February 28, 2020 11:59am
- cmm
  
  “Note that 22% of all the Nobel prizes have been won by Israeli’s”
  
  How did you work that out?
  
  Israel has 12 Nobel Prize winners out of approx 890 recipients world wide. ie. approx 1.4% of the Nobel prizes.
  
  Still, they bat way above their weight.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_laureates_by_country#Israel
  
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  February 28, 2020 12:22pm
  - Fletch
    
    The voluminous Wikipedia entry, List of Jewish Nobel laureates, states that “as of 2017, Nobel Prizes have been awarded to 902 individuals, of whom 203 or 22.5% were Jews, although the total Jewish population comprises less than 0.2% of the world’s population. This means the percentage of Jewish Nobel laureates is at least 112.5 times or 11,250% above average.”
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_Nobel_laureates
    
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    February 28, 2020 12:27pm
    - cmm
      
      Jews and Israelis are not the same thing.
      
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      February 28, 2020 1:57pm
      - Ruahine
        
        Most Israelis are Jews.
        
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        February 28, 2020 4:33pm
      - SGA
        
        More Jews live outside of Israel than in it – cmm is correct.
        
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        February 28, 2020 7:59pm
- Lance
  
  The worlds Muslims and lefties I am sure will “spit on the Zionists poison”. All the vaxine bottles should have predominate Israeli flags printed on the label.
  
  I await the pin-head dancing to justify using such a vaxine it by the anti-semites.
  
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  February 28, 2020 2:05pm
Hugh Pavletich

Dow Jones has sharpest points-drop in history amid coronavirus fears … UK Telegraph

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/02/27/ftse-set-plunge-coronavirus-spreads-live-updates/
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February 28, 2020 11:42am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Do you get actual pleasure from writing bad news, Hugh? You always sound so full of schadenfreude.
  
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  February 28, 2020 1:08pm
curry4me

Harvey Weinstein didn’t kill himself……. yet.
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February 28, 2020 12:19pm
- dave_c_
  
  He won’t – He’ll use his millions to do exactly what Epstein did – Ghost him away.
  
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  February 28, 2020 12:43pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  Well, Epstein didn’t infect himself with WuFlu either…
  
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  February 28, 2020 12:55pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6Ik8NVjLBc

President Trump Wants India to Counter China. In other words, he’s doing his job. PS: Hilary still isn’t president.
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February 28, 2020 12:21pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PArLu_fibs
BoJo is willing to walk away from the Brexit talks. BoJo 1 Fourth Reich 0.
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February 28, 2020 12:21pm
Swifty

Who’s a clever dickie now then?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/119869936/masala-indian-restaurant-boss-jailed-for-sophisticated-tax-evasion-scheme
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February 28, 2020 1:08pm
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND – CHRISTCHURCH CITY COUNCIL: WHEN WILL THE COUNCIL BE REPLACED WITH COMMISSIONERS ? …

Expenses complaint about Christchurch mayor Lianne Dalziel referred to Serious Fraud Office … Dominic Harris … Stuff New Zealand

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/119888495/expenses-complaint-about-christchurch-mayor-lianne-dalziel-referred-to-serious-fraud-office

Two Christchurch heritage buildings share $1.2m in ratepayer funds … Tina Law … Stuff New Zealand

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/119846552/two-christchurch-heritage-buildings-share-12m-in-ratepayer-funds
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February 28, 2020 1:11pm
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Christchurch ratepayers being egregiously pumped by suburban spendathon … Mike Yardley OPINION … Stuff NZ
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/opinion/119575063/chch-ratepayers-being-egregiously-pumped-by-suburban-spendathon
  
  … From November 2019 …
  
  Secrets and lies: Will the public ever know what Christchurch City Council was hiding? … Dominic Hare … The Press / Stuff
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/117600531/secrets-and-lies-will-the-public-ever-know-what-christchurch-city-council-was-hiding
  
  A major investigation has revealed a culture of secrecy among top leaders at Christchurch’s council to keep negative information out of the news. But the public may never know what was hidden from them. DOMINIC HARRIS reports.
  
  It is a badge of dishonour the Christchurch City Council will be embarrassed and ashamed to have to wear.
  
  A 10-month investigation into how the authority handles public information has uncovered a culture of secrecy, deception and cover-ups.
  
  Perhaps most alarmingly, there is evidence to suggest some of the council’s most senior staff deliberately altered reports and hid negative information from councillors, the mayor and the public to protect its image. … read more via hyperlink above …
  
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  February 28, 2020 1:13pm
Swifty

THAT’S RACIIIIIIIIIIIIST!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12312484
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February 28, 2020 1:23pm
- Jules99
  
  “The video begins as the conductor talks about kicking the woman off the train at the next stop last night.”
  
  That’s very sloppy writing for a journalist. What do they teach them these days.
  
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  February 28, 2020 2:23pm
- curry4me
  
  Swifty: Sounds like a variation on “Don’t you know who I am”?
  
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  February 28, 2020 8:00pm
Chuck Bird

For everyone who cares about free speech and are concerned about Little’s hate speech laws this is a must view.

Mark Steyn – Speech to the IPA’s Gala Dinner in Melbourne 2016

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hCtuGNRN1U
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February 28, 2020 1:26pm
barnacle bill

Here is one enlightened developer.
Knowing Kaikoura this development has been very slow moving.
But Robertson purchased it from the original developer a couple of years ago.

He speaks a lot of sense about how current councils stuff things up at huge costs, which flows through to the cost of housing.
I hope it works well for him.

http://www.ncnews.co.nz/digital-edition/?edition=HUR_2020_02_27
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February 28, 2020 1:47pm
- barnacle bill
  
  Following on from the above link, page two will come up, if interested.
  Click on the second page, on the header, far left.
  
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  February 28, 2020 2:03pm
cmm

Looking at various coronavirus maps makes you wonder.

Highest acknowledged coronavirus count is in China with almost 80,000 cases (approx 53/million).
South Korea is second with 1700 (approx 33 per million).

Between the two is North Korea which is not reporting any cases.

Since Norks are, generally, malnourished and have poor medical systems I’m picking that they are actually much worse than both China and S Korea. Let’s say 100/ million people, or approx 2500 cases.

Of course there is actually a good chance those 2500 people just get executed for unpatriotic behaviour.
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February 28, 2020 2:07pm
Maggy Wassilieff

More work for the Serious Fraud Office:

Christchurch Mayor Lianne Dalziel’s election expenses referred to the Serious Fraud Office

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/410591/christchurch-mayor-lianne-dalziel-s-election-expenses-referred-to-the-serious-fraud-office
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February 28, 2020 2:57pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  I hear it was Minto made the complaint but he could not help lying about National being investigated by the SFO. They were investigated but no one for National was charged.
  
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  February 28, 2020 3:42pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Well, didn’t take long did it?
https://teamtrumpusa.com/democrats-are-blaming-the-coronavirus-on-president-trump-calling-it-the-trump-virus/?fbclid=IwAR3CTFEGCblOJgxqv9IMdDLTcfITVoIrHr38Aw_nq1K4QO7jQtO8uN8EgSI
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February 28, 2020 3:29pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

You can’t make this shit up. They are scared of getting a job. They don’t want a job, just a safe place. Fuck me.
https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/university-cbp-unwelcome-at-career-fair-students-feel-unsafe/?fbclid=IwAR0VwNul1OjTdzsrNXCOK5FWh-81V0wiQ8gR3A4fqdBFSbaRHLgkVi9-5d4
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February 28, 2020 3:42pm
cmm

So we now have a suspected case from Iran in NZ.

It is times like this I am so glad we have a Doctor in charge of MoH.
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February 28, 2020 3:54pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Seems like its confirmed. I wouldn’t want to go near a certain MtRoskillistan…. Bets on it will spread like wild fire in that community, just as in Iran. Then it will be South Auckland. Let’s see what this government is really capable of now. I’d go shopping tomorrow for essentials….
  
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  February 28, 2020 6:05pm
- MrTips
  
  We’ll have 20 by the middle of March I reckon. I do think our med bods have a handle on it and will have prepared well. They are still stinging from the measles debacle and DO NOT like the fact that Cindy wants to be front and centre.
  
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  February 28, 2020 8:53pm
WaveyDavey

1st suspected batflu in Aucks
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February 28, 2020 4:05pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Gee, when did we have news that coranovirus was in Iran?
  
  19th February..
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_outbreak_in_Iran
  
  When did we know that it was spreading there…
  21 February.
  
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  February 28, 2020 6:07pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    1400 dead in Iran according to their now sick deputy director of health, so 100k plus infected. It’s been clear for more than a week that there has been a huge hidden outbreak there. (As I have mentioned lots)
    
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    February 28, 2020 10:39pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  And everyone on the plane with the family is in trouble too. Good chance this will lead to 1000s or 10’s of thousands dead eventually. Those are the stakes our govt is so blase about with maintaining open borders.
  
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  February 28, 2020 10:43pm
rightoverlabour

I don’t know how reputable these reports are, but I suspect that the reaction from the Chinese government and the steps they are taking in bolting down the population would suggest there may be truth in these.

https://www.ccn.com/china-underreported-coronavirus-infections-leaked-data-suggests/

https://www.france24.com/en/20200213-china-coronavirus-hubei-wuhan-death-toll-epidemic

http://joannenova.com.au/2020/02/coronavirus-and-so-it-spreads-lock-downs-in-italy-south-korea-riot-in-ukraine/
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February 28, 2020 6:14pm
greybeard

Ardern complains on TV about Australian deportation policy, and Morrison basically tells her to get stuffed.
I like that guy.
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February 28, 2020 6:19pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  But Barely Sober reckons she embarrassed him. LOL More like “Piss Off, wench…”
  
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  February 28, 2020 6:29pm
- Swifty
  
  Just think of the strong message that sends to non-citizen crims – you commit crime and you’re out.
  
  We need more of that here.
  
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  February 28, 2020 7:31pm
  - sooty
    
    Is there a breakdown of race?
    
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    February 28, 2020 9:55pm
  - Tall Man
    
    But where can we send them?
    
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    February 28, 2020 10:00pm
Prince

Ardern trying to look tough in Australia. More like a petulant schoolgirl.
If she wants to stamp her foot, why not take on the corrupt Peters, who continues to divert our taxes to his mates and secret donors.
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February 28, 2020 6:23pm
- niggly
  
  Ardern won’t get tough with Coalition Minister’s breaking rules and laws, yet acts all tough with the Prime Minister of our closest ally who aren’t breaking any rules or laws …. what strange leadership she is showing!
  
  (Pssst … what’s the bet she said to ScoMo beforehand “hey ScoMo I’m going to look all tough and angry but it’s only for domestic audiences so it’s ok just ignore my rant ok?” … and surely enough that’s what happened – ScoMo laughed it off on camera)!
  
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  February 28, 2020 7:38pm
  - Nickc2
    
    I watched her speech and was ashamed of her. What a pathetic little (expletive) complete with twisty faces.
    I was pleased to see Peta Credlin (Sky News Aust) give her a good serve.
    Australia has a population of 25m plus and a military to be proud of and us with a population almost 5m, many of which are not NZ citizens and a run down military and our unelected PM chooses to lecture Australian’s with an elected PM about how they should treat our citizens, what a joke.
    Come home princess, sack Peters from your cabinet, call an early election and take your chances. Do the honourable thing!
    
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    February 29, 2020 9:21am
- MrTips
  
  She’s playing to the eligible Aussie based NZ voters. ScoMo could care less, as could most Aussies.
  
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  February 28, 2020 8:49pm
- Tall Man
  
  A mussel farm 8ks off Opotiki … Awesome . At least he’s only building the wharf. Oops, I mean us.
  
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  February 28, 2020 9:58pm
rightoverlabour

A good video to watch in terms of speech and the lack of freedom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hCtuGNRN1U
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February 28, 2020 6:37pm
greybeard

Whenever I see or hear Mark Robinson, the boss of NZ Rugby, I get the same shudders and feelings of distrust and repulsion as when I see or hear David Clark, our so-called “Minister of Health”.
Is that that just me ?
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February 28, 2020 6:48pm
- MrTips
  
  He’s a sports administrator LOL. They aren’t reknown for their smarts.
  
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  February 28, 2020 8:47pm
- sooty
  
  Both nutless woke boys!
  
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  February 28, 2020 9:54pm
rightoverlabour

Lets see how Jacinda compares.

Lefty twats in USA… Typical

https://www.foxnews.com/media/mike-pence-coronavirus-risk-remains-low-trump
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February 28, 2020 8:33pm
Tall Man

“She was highly critical of the way New Zealanders living in Australia were being treated.”

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/politics/pm-jacinda-ardern-to-scott-morrison-do-not-deport-your-people-and-your-problems/

I think she means “criminal kiwis” and please don’t send us anymore, we have enough in the labour party and coalition already …….
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February 28, 2020 9:34pm
Hugh Pavletich

THE CORONAVIRUS TRIGGER … MARKETS IN MELTDOWN …

Live Markets in freefall: FTSE hits lowest level since 2016 on virus fears – latest updates … UK Telegraph

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/02/28/markets-live-latest-news-pound-euro-ftse-100-live-updates/

Global Stock Sell-Off Intensifies Over Coronavirus Crisis … New York Times (behind paywall)

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/28/business/stock-market-today-coronavirus.html

Panic in the stock market over the spreading coronavirus continued into a … Its factory shutdowns and quarantines have disrupted the global …
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