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Maggy Wassilieff

It might be time to review how we greet each other…

Coronavirus: World should prepare for pandemic, says WHO
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51611422

handshakes, hongi and hugs out…

Bows and Namaste-type greetings seem much preferable.
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February 25, 2020 8:05am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  WHO has lost all credibility by not declaring a pandemic. Political not medical decision. Iran has more deaths/cases than all other countries outside of China combined, and it is spreading fast. http://itwitter.co/BNODesk/status/1231868318635741184
  
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  February 25, 2020 8:32am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  PTPM will not allow banning of hugs
  
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  February 25, 2020 8:44am
- cmm
  
  They really picked a bad time to ban single use plastic bags
  
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  February 25, 2020 9:58am
  - stigie
    
    Anytime was a bad time to ban the “multiple” use plastic bags !~
    
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    February 25, 2020 10:32am
- DeepBlue
  
  I suggest public gatherings on 15 March should be cancelled.
  
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  February 25, 2020 10:06am
  - Paulus
    
    Remember Shakespeare’s Julius Caesar – The Ides of March, Ardern !
    
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    February 25, 2020 1:48pm
- Inandout
  
  MW, a comic once said to me ‘that chap you just shook hand with, well he was in the toilet for a major and didn’t bother washing his hands as he left’. Always a danger.
  
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  February 25, 2020 12:09pm
peterwn

So Jacinda is going to Oz. Hope that ScoMo has some fleas on hand for when she sees him.
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February 25, 2020 8:07am
- Misha Beattie
  
  I wonder if the deportation of NZ criminals will be raised again? It will redefine the limits of ‘flogging a dead horse’ :-).
  
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  February 25, 2020 9:04am
  - peterwn
    
    Yes most probably, hence my comment. Jacinda says the deportation business is ‘corrosive’. If she raises it with ScoMo, I hope she puts a flea in her ear.
    Simon Bridges says National will do the same – deport Oz offenders back to Oz and Jacinda calls Simon ‘naive’ for saying that. Perhaps she thinks ScoMo is going to get all ‘hurty’ over this – he has broader shoulders than that.
    
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    February 25, 2020 10:02am
    - marcw
      
      Ever since Ardern gave her “Business Governance” talk to Australian business leaders last year, I’m sure Morrison will struggle to contain his composure at any further lectures by her. I’m sure he will be ‘diplomatic’, but will at least give him a few laugh lines with his colleagues over a few beers later.
      
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      February 25, 2020 10:31am
    - Misha Beattie
      
      Not sure what Simon has said.
      
      Is he just going to deport Australian offenders, or all offenders? Is he going to align criteria with Australia’s ?
      
      There are obviously Australian citizens who are sentenced to more than 12 months imprisonment in New Zealand. But I would be surprised if there are more than 50 annually. Anyway if the New Zealand Government did that, Sco Mo would say “good on ya. fill your boots”.
      
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      February 25, 2020 11:31am
  - Nutta
    
    She has to get Winston’s permission to flog any horse, be it dead, alive, or good looking…
    
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    February 25, 2020 10:37pm
G152

We’ll just outlast this one and prepare for the next.
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February 25, 2020 8:11am
Old White Loser

Weinstein in New Zealand would have name suppression and be discharged without conviction because he was drunk at the time!
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February 25, 2020 8:13am
- Chuck Bird
  
  OWL, Especially if he was a leftie.
  
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  February 25, 2020 9:05am
  - sooty
    
    With labour party membership,
    Worked in the PMs office,
    … [snipped – mod.]
    Friends with a judge!
    
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    February 25, 2020 9:45am
    - sooty
      
      [Deleted – and stop making up crap not written by Mods. Next time will be a referral to DPF for a permanent ban]
      
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      February 25, 2020 12:42pm
      - sooty
        
        Snarky!
        
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        February 25, 2020 2:55pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Why does it matter? – done for comic effect, thought point was to eliminate non-approved un-good speech, and there is no un-good speech on display so that’s OK isn’t it? Or is general subversive discourse now verboten too?
        
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        February 25, 2020 3:54pm
- cmm
  
  And if he was Maori he could probably put in a Treaty claim because the women didn’t give him what he wanted.
  
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  February 25, 2020 9:23am
  - igm
    
    If he ran a Labour Party education camp he would get discharged with lifetime suppression of name facts, and anything that may identify he or his family.
    
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    February 25, 2020 9:34am
    - Tall Man
      
      As long as he was pissed!
      
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      February 25, 2020 9:52am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Or that he entertained the judge, or might have his glittering rugby career curtailed.
  
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  February 25, 2020 10:51am
- Inandout
  
  Knew some MPs who shared white powder….sorted.
  
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  February 25, 2020 12:10pm
Scott

Those of us living in the Wairarapa have severe water restrictions brought on by drought conditions. People can’t water their lawns and those with nice gardens cannot water their often expensive plants.

To do something about the water shortages plans have been drawn up for a dam of the Waingawa river in the Upper Plain road area. However nothing can get done because of the environmentalists who scuttle the project at every juncture.

How can we have a prosperous NZ with these people in charge? We need to store water in the province because the summers are almost always dry and hot. But we can’t do any water storage projects because of the greenies. We can’t even water our plants.

We need commonsense to come back into public life – urgently.
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February 25, 2020 8:14am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  If non Greens vote then they can overrule greens. But yes, in general fringing nutters are a huge problem for generally apathetic/low participation local politics
  
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  February 25, 2020 8:33am
- Tall Man
  
  So living rural you have to plan differently.
  
  We have a 36 meter bore plus 30,000 roof water storage.
  
  At our previous property, a half acre semi rural location, the first thing we did was install a bore to guarantee our own supply.
  
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  February 25, 2020 8:38am
  - Wangas Feral
    
    You need to get a myriad of consents in most places to put a bore in. It adds so much cost you need to sell a firstborn before you start drilling.
    
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    February 25, 2020 9:10am
    - Tall Man
      
      Around here you need a consent to install a water tank over a certain size, not sure about the bore though.
      
      Isn’t better to ask for forgiveness than permission?
      
      At the first place I did it, we didn’t use a contractor just did it ourselves.
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJNyAMwrUBE
      
      https://youtu.be/2TDmxbbvQQo
      
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      February 25, 2020 9:49am
- tedbear
  
  If you’re being told you’re not allowed to use water for certain things then you’d surely be entitled to a reduction in your rates.
  If it was me, I’d do what I wanted.
  I bet the council buildings aren’t restricted.
  
  I well remember being in an area where everyone had big water tanks. When the water mains were put in, we all got bills to hook up to the mains. I said no thanks, I’ll stick to my tank. The reply was ‘you’ll pay whether you connect or not’.
  Stuff ’em.
  
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  February 25, 2020 9:09am
- MCos
  
  Here’s an idea while you wait for someone else to sort the problem out.
  Buy a large tank and collect the rainwater during the winter.
  
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  February 25, 2020 9:23am
  - tedbear
    
    If the ‘someone else’s can’t get their shit together now with rain in times (annually) aplenty, imagine how they’ll cope as we enter the next ice age when rainfall will be considerably less.
    Yeah, nah, just let the rivers run out to the sea.
    
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    February 25, 2020 9:54am
- Sacha
  
  Collect your rainwater!
  
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  February 25, 2020 10:57am
- IndividualResponsibility
  
  Scott – from 1984 – The phrase “heresy of heresies” was used by Orwell in 1984. It is used by the protagonist, Winston Smith, who works in the Ministry of Truth which is, in reality, the ministry of suppressing the truth and feeding propaganda to the masses. … “The heresy of heresies was common sense
  
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  February 25, 2020 3:58pm
hullkiwi

To add to Maggy’s warning above that hugs and Hong is are out, this morning the media are being warned about how they handle the anniversary of 15th March. Now I wonder where that instruction came from?

Message for Jacinda via Shakespeare, “beware the idea of March….”
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February 25, 2020 8:17am
- sooty
  
  No hugs!
  That’s certainly going to piss the Comrade off!
  Just think of all the photo ops missed!
  Might as well not wear the tea towel then.
  Well she will just have to take the family to make up for it all!
  
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  February 25, 2020 8:45am
  - NoCash
    
    Hugs are OK in full biohazard suits.
    
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    February 25, 2020 11:11am
    - sooty
      
      But not tea towels,
      
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      February 25, 2020 2:56pm
- Sacha
  
  ‘beware the ides of March’ – Julius Caesar was stabbed to death on March 15th by a group of Senators egged on by Cassius and Brutus – the ‘ides’ in the Roman calendar – after ignoring warnings from a ‘soothsayer’. According to Shakespeare his dying words were ” et tu, Brutus?” as Brutus held him. An accusation of betrayal.
  
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  February 25, 2020 11:15am
  - hullkiwi
    
    So is Brutus, Kelvin, Winston or Grant?
    
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    February 25, 2020 5:03pm
Tony Stuart

Crikey; where’s summer gone?
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February 25, 2020 8:18am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Too early for the bad news?
  https://notrickszone.com/2020/02/24/new-study-a-massive-cooling-of-2c-in-8-years-2008-2016-has-jolted-large-regions-of-the-north-atlantic/
  
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  February 25, 2020 8:23am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    As expected, the aspects of the oceans as heating/cooling reservoirs is incredibly complex. I doubt the computer models take these into proper consideration, which is why their output is so dubious.
    More research is needed.
    
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    February 25, 2020 8:31am
    - ronsegal
      
      But that’s ok it’s ‘climate change’ not ‘global warming’.
      
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      February 25, 2020 9:19am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Oh dear–never mind.
    We’ll either be fried in green exhaust fumes or sanity will prevail and the climate will do its thing without our instruction.
    
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    February 25, 2020 8:40am
  - Justitia
    
    Yes Maggy. We are entering a new Solar Minimum and associated cooling period that may extend up to 2070. The North American grain belt has already been feeling the effects. Cooling produces droughts (because of less evaporation off the sea) which in the past have caused famines, susceptibility to pandemics, and rapid population decrease. Enjoy!
    
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    February 25, 2020 10:48am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      I am waiting too for the revelations about the real climate change. Sensible advice from actual scientists has been put down to enlarge political power.
      The proof will be in the actual climate over the next 10 years. If it cools as fast as current weather how will they then explain that to the unfortunates in Taranaki and the Greens with watermelon all over their faces. Who is going to pick up the tab for the harm caused the children through purposed alarmism?
      
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      February 25, 2020 1:53pm
  - freethinker
    
    Maggie – Sun is in a Maunder Minimum possibly a Super Maunder Minimum – could be a connection? Keep your insightful facts coming Maggie – please.
    
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    February 25, 2020 12:37pm
- Prince
  
  Seems to have finally landed in Wellington, at least for a few days.
  
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  February 25, 2020 8:37am
- pdm
  
  Its okay Inv – Hawkes Bay Orchardists want cool/cold mornings to put colour into the apples.
  
  Royal Gala straight off the tree are very tasty at present.
  
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  February 25, 2020 8:53am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    And after several weeks of climate-induced celibacy, there is now a need to huddle together for warmth.
    
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    February 25, 2020 9:56am
  - Inandout
    
    pdm, a properly grown Cox’s Orange picked straight off the tree is mouth watering. I am told the tree is 60 years old and the fruit is generally huge.
    
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    February 25, 2020 12:17pm
    - pdm
      
      Inandout – cox’s orange were favourites of mrspdm and I in the 70’s but are hard/impossible to find these days.
      
      The trouble with Royal Gala and other modern varieties is they are crisp and great straight off the tree but after a couple of days turn floury.
      
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      February 25, 2020 3:26pm
oldpark

Just a perception. Cant help but think the far left Socialist in USA a flap jaw called Bernie Sanders has been studying the policies of the present Peters selected regime Labour/Green /NZ First. Yes he is promising everything free.In fact just like NZ. Gain without pain.
Sadly it will turn out to be a false dawn if elected . Only difference will be he would be “Elected” as against the type of people in NZ who were “Selected” yes the present Regime . With their Socialist planning .
Talk about beggars on horseback, hell bent on mad dog socialist idealogy as they plunge NZ into highly questionable debt levels.
Even worse mad dog Bernie must have also heard that the “Commie Chic Comrade” Ardern has in the past been very impressed with say countries like Venezuela and their Social policies maybe even Cuba.How is that working out .
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February 25, 2020 8:18am
- LTA1955
  
  “Free” turns into Venezuela:
  Venezuela Timeline:
  1992 Became 3rd richest country in Southern Hemisphere.
  2001 Voted for Socialist president who preached “income equality.”
  2004 Private healthcare was completely socialized.
  2007 All higher education became “free.”
  2009 Socialists banned private ownership of guns.
  2012 Bernie Sanders praised their “American Dream.”
  2014 Opposition leaders were imprisoned.
  2016 Venezuelans began eating pets and zoo animals due to widespread food shortages, and healthcare started being rationed.
  2017 Constitution and elections were suspended.
  2019 The Venezuelan government begins massacring unarmed citizens
  
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  February 25, 2020 8:34am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    LTA1955, I’d like to believe all that but how much can I believe when the first thing on the list is wrong?
    Venezuela is actually in the Northern Hemisphere.
    
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    February 25, 2020 8:54am
    - Blackbob
      
      Pretty sure it was meant to be South America.
      
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      February 25, 2020 9:00am
    - Tall Man
      
      Come on Captain, be like ardern and never let a fact spoil a good story.
      
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      February 25, 2020 9:09am
    - Kiwi Dave
      
      Captain, the correct term, as sanctified by NZ commentators with regard to our glorious leader, is ‘Southern Hemisphere adjacent’.
      
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      February 25, 2020 12:08pm
    - LTA1955
      
      Yes it was SA…..in 2018 Venezuela is now the 4th richest country in SA in resource only, with no reliable human status other than the deprivation and squalor on display for the last 5 years.
      
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      February 25, 2020 12:47pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    “healthcare started being rationed.”
    
    NZ is in this situation. As we know, people are waiting much too long for specialist treatment and operations.
    
    And because people trusted the public system (and jolly well paid for it with taxes), for most of us that *is* our health insurance. And many of us are now too old or sick for private insurance to be an affordable option.
    
    And again: our taxes are supposed to pay for proper healthcare, not the 2nd world system with severe rationing we now have.
    
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    February 25, 2020 11:07am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Gain without pain in economics means the the pain is deferred or hidden in borrowing and the future is deferred.
  Socialist societies gain nothing but rich overlords, peasants, debt and loss of hope.
  
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  February 25, 2020 8:44am
- pb
  
  Despite overwhelming evidence that socialism fails in every country it has been tried, it still keeps knocking on the door like a bad dream vampire
  
  “Let me in?”
  
  Bed-wetting nostalgia lets it revive. There is some truth in the “burn-it-all-down” Bernie & Jacinda’s ideologues. He has tapped into the problems of modern corporate globalist capitalism, yet his solutions will be worse than the problem.
  
  Kids like socialism, they want to Bern-it-all. What fun! To be fair, they have been given a dead hand. Endless ratcheting debt is making the unborn pay for our sins. The civil contract is void. Basic home ownership is beyond most, and a family. Nihilism is rampant. We are in an upside down world. The wealth resides in the accounts of the unacountable globalists corporates, whom have externalised most of their costs, and don’t even have a physical address to send the warrant to. We get cheap shit, but the cost is prohibitive: environmental, financial, spiritual. We are gifting our kids a real problem, which is why they keep reaching for the reset button, of socialism and communism. The tactic driving the desire to “fix the world” is understandable. Canada is disappearing. Most South Africans I meet barely hold it together talking about home. The Scands are deleting themselves. Europe is being invaded. To save our little country we need first to establish our border. Return to the local. Give power back to the commons. Deliberately reduce the size of the state. Evict the globalists. Fight for home. Rediscover the transcendentals: beauty, virtue, the good. Which we lost when the global culture took the cultural reigns in the 60’s.
  
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  February 25, 2020 12:58pm
Happychappy

Simon Bridges fires up over ‘conspiracy theories nonsense’ in debate over National Party donations.
It seems the media haven’t got enough to do, so have decided it is time to go after Simon Bridges again on behalf of Jamie Lee Ross.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/02/simon-bridges-fires-up-over-conspiracy-theory-nonsense-in-debate-over-national-party-donations.html
No other Party Leader has been put under the same scrutiny as Simon Bridges even though it appears Winston Peters and the NZ First Foundation have committed a more serious offense and the Party Leader being charged with a similar offense once before.
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February 25, 2020 8:21am
- Tall Man
  
  It’s the same play book being used against Trump.
  
  Unified media attacks based on unverified comments from “in government” politicians plus, non stop positive stories on their “preferred leadership”.
  
  Never have I seen such a sustained “anti” campaign against a political opponent being run in New Zealand.
  
  For those that don’t rate Simon Bridges, how long do you think ardern would have lasted had such a campaign been waged against her. Would she have been capable of increasing her popularity if her stupidity and ignorance were being exposed?
  
  Simon Bridges has maintained the National party support and increased his popularity by almost 100% despite “dishonest” reporting, one sided analysis and sustained negativity being directed at him and his party.
  
  As far as I am concerned he has done a great job and will be rewarded for that effort in 2020.
  
  And before the fuckwits start rabbiting about his accent, my grand daughter from the same region as Simon has the same accent and I am sure many others up there do the same so before you start “regionalising” people in New Zealand, compare your own accent to others and learn to accept the message not the accent.
  
  People in glass houses shouldn’t be too picky, poverdee, jepradising, labour pardy to just point out a few. That’s not accent, that’s ignorance.
  
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  February 25, 2020 8:53am
  - Happychappy
    
    Tall Man here is a piece on Jacinda and her Poverty plan that was never drawn from the ballot in Parliament in March 2017 before Andrew Little resigned as Labour Leader. I think you will find it is the exact one that Labour are using today and look at the results no exact figures released with only the Salvation Army suggesting the the problem has doubled since Jacinda became Prime Minister.
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/03/the_achievements_of_jacinda_ardern.html
    
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    February 25, 2020 9:43am
    - Tall Man
      
      That was before my time on Kiwiblog.
      
      Summed her up nicely I would say, form over substance, fluff rather than stuff.
      
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      February 25, 2020 10:03am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Simon Bridges will keep on increasing in support. He has ~~10x~~ 100x the ability to goveren than anyone on the COL benches.
    ☑️☑️Rout2020☑️☑️
    
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    February 25, 2020 10:29am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    I agree. IMO Simon has done a great job maintaining the level of support for the National Party even after the loss of a huge amount of talent (Bill English and Steven Joyce etc.).
    The BFD web site really dislike him (or bill English for that matter) and constantly rabbit on about how Nats cannot possibly win the election with Simon as leader. They seem to believe Judith Collins s/be the leader and its just a matter of time before she is. I disagree with them. I believe Simon has a good chance in this election (especially if NZF end on 4.9% or less). If he does lose the election then I agree that then and only then, there would be a change of leader at National.
    
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    February 25, 2020 11:00am
    - Gazza the Giant
      
      Its amazing the stuff that comes through them Bridges nas far as I can see , is better than a 50/50 chance if NZF are out , even if NZF win a seat , they would have got 4 seats , so they are only 2 seats behind the whole COL , the way Bridges is conducting himself he will easily pull that 2 seats back , and from what I have heard about him on NZR with Kerrie discussing the future under a Nat lead government , he was crystal clear , every single answer he gave was top draw , compare that to the hapless Cindy Um Ur ay ar , then he has more chance than the BFD give him credit for , the same people said English would deliver a result of low 30s or high 20s in the last election , well how did that work , he should probably be PM now
      
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      February 25, 2020 7:36pm
  - curry4me
    
    Tall Man: My ‘Kiwi accent’ is almost as thick as his. My boarding school accent; not so much. Since he ruled out WP, my estimation of him has risen expotentially.
    
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    February 25, 2020 12:46pm
- Paulus
  
  But ask what has JLR got on Tova ? – she must support him over Bridges.
  It has been suggested before in the Parliamentary precincts that couldn’t she be perhaps be one of his Press Gallery two special supporters ?
  
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  February 25, 2020 9:02am
  - Tall Man
    
    [Deleted – unless you provide evidence, this is defamatory. Mods]
    
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    February 25, 2020 9:08am
    - Tall Man
      
      Not very different than the comment I was replying to.
      
      “special reporters”….
      
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      February 25, 2020 9:28am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Tova hates Simon Bridges but I do not know why. She gloats when she gets to report anything negative about him
    
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    February 25, 2020 9:38am
    - Inandout
      
      BF, Tova is our equivalent of Rachel Maddow who has a hatred of Trump verging on insane. Well there is one difference in that Tova appears interested in males.
      
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      February 25, 2020 2:55pm
  - Gazza the Giant
    
    Not so sure , She seemed a lot more happy talking with Bridges of late , it appeared to start at the last annual conference
    
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    February 25, 2020 7:37pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Don’t believe her. She is a leftie and in a position to create controversy out of trivia. That’s what she gets paid to do.
      
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      February 25, 2020 8:36pm
- Nickc2
  
  The jungle drums from up north are telling me that Tracey Martin is planning to defect to Labour at the next election in return for a Labour list MP reward.
  If so, I wonder how many other Winston Firsters are considering a similar deal.
  
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  February 25, 2020 10:00am
  - Tarquin North
    
    That would be like trading in a ford prefect that doesn’t go for a humber eighty that might start.
    
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    February 25, 2020 10:28am
    - Nickc2
      
      Yea Tarquin, if you sleep with Labour Dogs, you are bound to get their fleas.
      
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      February 25, 2020 10:40am
  - Tall Man
    
    I love a good rumour.
    
    I always thought that some on the minions in “what’s in it for wynston” ‘s party would be the first to break ranks. He must be a real prick to work with.
    
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    February 25, 2020 10:44am
    - Nickc2
      
      Tall Man, the drummers were doing four beats to the bar and sounding pretty enthusiastic about it. That indicates that the confidence level (4 out of 5) in the waka jumping is genuine.
      
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      February 25, 2020 11:33am
  - Gazza the Giant
    
    By god I would pay for that to happen , I suspect there is something up with the little shit from Wairarapa as well , he was sent on a world tour for nothing earlier in the year , he appeared to be conveniently out of the way
    
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    February 25, 2020 7:39pm
    - Nickc2
      
      You are onto it Gazza. Even Shane Jones has been quiet since Winebox Mark II hit the headlines.
      
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      February 25, 2020 8:43pm
Prince

Ardern’s lies are becoming more outrageous by the day.
In the 2015 Budget National increased Benefits by $25/week – the first increase in over 30 years.
Yesterday Ardern announced an almost $10/week Benefit increase as a result of tying benefits to the average wage increase.
“It’s more than any Government has done in decades to address child poverty,” Ardern said on Monday.
Of course the claim goes unchecked, and don’t hold your breath for one of those ‘Fact Check’ articles, but really she should not be allowed to lie so blatantly.

And what about tying tax brackets to inflation, so workers can also receive some of the Government’s largesse.
Coalition of liars and bludgers.
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February 25, 2020 8:34am
- alloytoo
  
  One wonders when the average tax payer is going to start feeling fleeced? I know I am.
  
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  February 25, 2020 8:49am
- Tall Man
  
  ardern speaks, lies emanate……. nuff said.
  
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  February 25, 2020 8:56am
- Happychappy
  
  Yes Prince and she is a nasty childish individual also when comes to Simon Bridges dispite her feel good and positive campaigning that was promised, all we have had from the media’s Princess is lies insinuations and name calling to go with her indisputable weak ability to hold others to the same standards she expects of Simon Bridges the Leader of the opposition.
  
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  February 25, 2020 8:58am
- Poppa
  
  It is a great pity that no media take her to task on such lies.
  
  She knows she can spout whatever rubbish she likes & it won’t get challenged
  
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  February 25, 2020 9:04am
  - Tall Man
    
    As does “what’s in it for wynston”.
    
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    February 25, 2020 9:26am
Maggy Wassilieff

A long read on the causes of the recent Australian bush fires

https://judithcurry.com/2020/02/24/australian-fires-climate-truth-bomb/#more-25777
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February 25, 2020 8:40am
- ronsegal
  
  Thanks Maggy, well researched and argued article. Temperature measurement bias is a huge problem, due to sensors located at sites themselves affected by changes in human activity, e.g. airports.
  
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  February 25, 2020 9:40am
- Tricati
  
  Great article Maggy – The problem is it is based on facts and more than 2 sentences long, so the ‘climate alarmists’ wont be able to comprehend it.
  
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  February 25, 2020 10:34am
KevO'Brien

NGO’s keeping Africa poor, but for whom?
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/02/23/keeping-africa-on-the-brink-of-starvation/
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February 25, 2020 8:47am
- alloytoo
  
  A rich Africa renders NGO’s obsolete.
  
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  February 25, 2020 8:50am
- cmm
  
  Pretty much everyone else.
  
  First off, the warlords. They get to “tax” the NGOs traveling through their areas to provide food aid. The normally feed all sides in a conflict, sometimes also providing trucks etc.
  
  Secondly, of course, there are all the supply chains supplying those NGOs with trucks, logicistics management, food etc.
  
  All those UNICEF $2-a-day donations need spending…
  
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  February 25, 2020 9:29am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Reposted from yesterday:
Hello? Have all of the state sector humourless gone home? Good.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/cwxdgmspo3d8bus/winner.mp4?dl=0
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February 25, 2020 8:49am
- Tall Man
  
  Thanks Steve. Nice to see a politician able to laugh at himself and I’m quite sure he would have wound up all those that hate him who saw it.
  
  I have sent it on to a few with TDS 🙂
  
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  February 25, 2020 9:06am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    He enjoyed it. Proves he does have a sense of humour. I would buy that book if I could – leave it on my coffee table
    
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    February 25, 2020 10:41am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Great, can I add a page:
  
  “And then there are average workers and bosses
  Who muddle through life with some wins and some losses.
  Let’s not overtax and make losers of them,
  By giving their wins to the craziest Dem!”
  
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  February 25, 2020 11:25am
Happychappy

David Farrar : Is NZ First Foundation the new Politics Scandal.
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/politics-central/david-farrar-is-nz-first-foundation-the-new-dirty-politics-scandal/
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February 25, 2020 9:57am
- sooty
  
  Where is the investigation into the fishing industry!
  Why would they be any different to the horse racing industry?
  NZF Foundation is not going to scam only part of their donaters!
  
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  February 25, 2020 12:54pm
Tall Man

The ignorance of the journalist on full diplay.

“He’s probably never watched a single ball bowled, but you would still expect Donald Trump to pronounce the names of two of the greatest cricketers of all time correctly.”

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2020/02/cricket-us-president-donald-trump-botches-pronunciation-of-kohli-tendulkar.html

I’m sure brad is a fervent ardernist who overlooks poverdee and jepeorady without comment.
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February 25, 2020 9:58am
Jack5

The school “strike” about perceived climate change is about more than the weather.

In an article in Stuff today, a white girl and another with an Indian name, turn climate change into a Leftist diatribe, and even bring in race as the white girl goes on about her colour. The article blames what it calls the unholy marriage of capitalism and colonial imperialism for the “climate crisis”.

The pair write:

“The climate crisis is a result of maintaining the colonial status quo; sustaining policies and leaders who love money but not you.”

The article states that “islands are already sinking and cyclones are hitting them harder.”

As posters have a number of times pointed out on Kiwiblog, the island-nation of Tuvalu’s land mass is expanding. Aerial photographs and satellite imagery taken of Tuvalu’s nine atolls and 101 reef islands between 1971 and 2014 show Tuvalu’s area increased 2.9 per cent.

It’s a rough edition of Stuff today. There’s also a piece reproduced from RNZ’s Red Radio trying to justify taxpayers’ Treaty settlement to Chatham Islanders for the Maori massacre and slavery from the invasion five years before the Treaty was signed.

Let’ hope National and ACT can block the creation of a State media conglomerate encompassing, TV, radio, the internet and also dominating the tattered remainder of the newspaper industry.
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February 25, 2020 10:01am
- Than
  
  The article about the Moriori was particularly bad. The headline talks about ‘the Moriori myth’, then it goes on to describe in detail how they were real and their history.
  
  Sure, the once-common claim that the Moriori arrively separately and before other Maori is false. But that falsehood is mostly debunked these days, and regardless is a relatively minor detail in an otherwise quite genuine piece of history. The fact that the Moriori were attacked and largely wiped out by Maori from the mainland is completely true.
  
  One other thing – the settlement included “an agreed historical account”. Does anybody else find the notion of one version of history being enshrined in law mildly concerning? What happens if future research calls aspects of this agreed history into question?
  
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  February 25, 2020 11:16am
  - Ed Snack
    
    I think the settlement is about how the Crown did not protect the remaining Moriori on the Chathams after 1840 and before 1865. They were under an obligation to do so but ignored the situation for 25 years. The actual invasion and mass slaughter occurred in 1835 so is not covered by the Treaty.
    
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    February 25, 2020 1:41pm
    - KH
      
      Maori slaughtering Moriori is perfectly fine – because they are Maori.
      Rule 2. Government has to pay compensation because according to maori they always must.
      
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      February 25, 2020 7:33pm
Surely Knott

Article re Auckland Council Voting.
Maori Seats: “Officials also recommend not pursuing a council desire for dedicated Māori ward seats for the 2022 election, due to the lack of legislation allowing the total number of seats to rise.” Don’t we currently have two members of the IMSB (Maori Statutory Board) given voting rights on Council?
“The council ran a range of promotional programmes in the run-up to voting, including marketing campaigns, taking vote collection boxes to public markets and transport hubs, and running more than 50 “one stop shops” where people could enrol and vote.” This was a rort. The pop up boxes weren’t made clear before the elections. And then they “popped up” in places that would bias the turnout. This needs to be made clear before the election that you can apply for a ballot box for your organisation. And they should publish where all the ballot boxes were located. https://i.stuff.co.nz/auckland/97330993/auckland-councillors-head-to-black-ferns-celebration-before-voting-on-mori-seat
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February 25, 2020 10:11am
oldpark

Just heard Shane Jones on Magic Talk . My perception although not spelt out . Yes “New Zealand First ” masquerading as the voice for all NZs are about to also sell out “Private Property Rights” for NZs on “IHUMATO” **** the consquences. What a bloody betrayal by the Peters gang of free loaders aided and abetted by the Power Crazy Arderns Lie-bour/ Green Cabal .Wonder how that type of big call will affect the massive 3% on the latest polls of NZ First or Greens slender % amount maybe close to decimation in latest polls.
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February 25, 2020 10:55am
Maggy Wassilieff

How long before the taxpayer has to prop up the decaying media?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/410294/nzme-posts-165m-loss
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February 25, 2020 11:01am
- Nickc2
  
  Why bother? If their journo’s concentrated on publishing the whole truth instead of opinion masquerading as genuine news and filling their print media, radio and TV programs with puff pieces and political BS, they could trade their way out of financial difficulty.
  That ain’t going to happen though because we have no genuine journalists left in NZ and the other forms of media rely of on the sale of commercials from a country which is too small to support such a standalone industry.
  
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  February 25, 2020 11:46am
- Jack5
  
  The locally owned Otago Daily Times is doing better than Stuff and NZME newspapers. It diversified into free community newspapers.
  
  For a long time, perhaps because of the local owners’ influence, it swung less to the Left than other NZ newspapers. If it stays locally owned, eventually a new generation of ODT owners will ease the veteran newspaper back where it belongs – in the Centre-Right.
  
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  February 25, 2020 12:26pm
- curry4me
  
  Maggy Wassilieff: Hopefully this situation will last until the election. After that, a National-ACT coalition can scotch any merger, and let the market sort it out. Meanwhile, their ‘journalists’ should take online coding courses.
  
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  February 25, 2020 1:09pm
Manolo

Oh dear!
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/what-would-happen-if-trump-refused-to-leave-office/ar-BB10l1aW

If Donald Trump is defeated in November 2020, his presidency will end on January 20, 2021. If he is reelected, then, barring other circumstances such as removal from office, his administration will terminate on the same day in 2025. In either of these scenarios, Trump would cease to be president immediately upon the expiration of his term. But what if he won’t leave the White House?
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February 25, 2020 11:05am
- Kabull
  
  This often-expressed hypothesis is just nonsense. Who is it that has not accepted the 2016 result? And what has she and her party done to keep that myth alive? Trump will accept the clear decision of the electorate. If he is voted out in Nov it will be a big loss the the USA and to the world.
  
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  February 25, 2020 12:57pm
- Inandout
  
  ‘Editor’s note: The opinions in this article are the author’s, as published by our content partner, and do not necessarily represent the views of MSN or Microsoft’.
  
  Trump will be happy to leave the office and leave the US in an excellent position.
  
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  February 25, 2020 3:00pm
Hugh Pavletich

CORONAVIRUS … DISRUPTION ACCELERATES …

Coronavirus disruption hits store shelves as Australian retailers face ‘serious pinch’ from COVID-19 outbreak … Nicholas Perpitch … ABC (Australian Broadcasting Corporation

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-25/coronavirus-impact-hits-retail-as-businesses-face-serious-pinch/11996316

The coronavirus outbreak is starting to make normally unremarkable, everyday retail purchases more difficult, as factories remain shut in China. … read more via hyperlink above …
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Here’s Why The Cruise Ship Quarantine Turned Into Such A Disaster … Dan Vergano …Buzzdeed

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/danvergano/cruise-ships-quarantine-botched
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February 25, 2020 11:35am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  China remains shut … David Llewellyn-Smith … MacroBusiness Australia
  
  https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2020/02/china-remains-shut/
  
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  February 25, 2020 11:54am
Maggy Wassilieff

Doesn’t appear to be a big choice for PM when Malaysia’s PM resigns

https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/politics/article/3052158/mahathir-mohamad-has-resigned-malaysias-next-leader-mahathir
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February 25, 2020 11:35am
- Jack5
  
  Malaysia is a challenging country to run with the largely Malay Bumiputera people making 62 per cent of the population, Chinese about 21 per cent, Indians about 6 per cent, and non-citizens, presumably temporarily resident workers from Indonesia and the Philippines over 10 per cent.
  
  Languages include Malay, English, six Chinese spoken tongues, a number of Indian tongues – Tamil, Malayam and Punjabi as well as Hindi, Thai, and more than 100 languages of indigenous people.
  
  Multiculturists would probably like New Zealand to be similarly diverse.
  
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  February 25, 2020 12:40pm
- MCos
  
  its much easier to understand SE Asian politics if you know nothing about the area.
  
  This tweet by a local explains everything.
  
  ‘Mahathir resigns as PM and party chief. We all suspect we’re witnessing a political masterstroke, but have no idea against whom and what’s the game plan. Only in Malaysia, only Dr M.’
  
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  February 25, 2020 12:45pm
Ruawai

Article in todays Franklin County News re DHB denying there is sewage in the walls.
https://www.neighbourly.co.nz/e-edition/franklin-county-news/39102?utm_medium=email&utm_source=transactional&utm_campaign=e-edition_franklin-county-news_2020-02-25_39102

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February 25, 2020 11:37am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSN2xNQ0kzE&pbjreload=10

Trump & Covid-19: China’s Perfect Social/Economic Storm
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February 25, 2020 11:46am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZN3s3j1NLU

Priti Patel causes mass outbreak of the vapours among the Sir Humphreys and their acolytes. You go minister!
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February 25, 2020 11:47am
Lee C

‘What do you have to do to be stood down from Jacinda Ardern’s Government?”
This deserves a discussion IMO, https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12309337&&ref=recommended
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February 25, 2020 12:11pm
- peterwn
  
  Do something sufficiently serious to be remanded in custody. The decision making is thus taken out of her hands.
  
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  February 25, 2020 3:00pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Maybe shitting on the speaker’s throne might almost make it.
  
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  February 25, 2020 8:09pm
  - Nutta
    
    The Duck does that on a weekly basis, yet is still with us…
    
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    February 25, 2020 10:47pm
Happychappy

New child poverty data for New Zealand shows ‘no significant change’ in material hardship.
So this is the same bill that Jacinda hoped would drawn from the ballot in Parliament before she became Leader of the Labour Party in 2017. This is the same child reduction bill now called child poverty act 2018 that Jacinda said was a travesty not to be drawn as it would fix child poverty in NZ.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/02/new-child-poverty-data-for-new-zealand-shows-no-significant-change-in-material-hardship.html
SO after three year of talking about child poverty we have another failure from the media’s Princess that again is released to the public whilst the Prime Minister is out of the Country.
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February 25, 2020 12:11pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Visitor from the future.
https://babylonbee.com/news/time-traveler-visits-from-americas-glorious-socialist-future-asks-for-food?fbclid=IwAR2qSi-EYl_te2T-yg87AA9EhF1-Z3MDhW90a-Za-ADo7o3B7JhM6a25074
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February 25, 2020 12:12pm
Captain Mainwaring

Just did my duty at Pak ‘n Save.
Time Magazine is there with the fairy princess all over the cover. It’s now facing the other way.
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February 25, 2020 12:14pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I never see any books/mags with her dial on the front. I guess they are popular, or someone has been doing a good job
  
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  February 25, 2020 2:22pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  I was in Pak n Save Rotorua today and didn’t see any Time Mags
  
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  February 25, 2020 7:20pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Maybe they were already facing the wrong (right?) way.
    
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    February 25, 2020 8:10pm
Surely Knott

Hunger striker released from prison on remand for cannabis cultivation. “All my crimes have been decent crimes… nothing devious about them. For us and where we’re from, we judge crime like this: if you’ve done a burglary, stole a car, shot somebody, stabbed somebody… any of these things, they’re all decent”
But if you google his name, historic crimes, “Shaw, who has an al- Qaeda tattoo on the back of his neck, was sentenced to prison for being party to the torching of Otaki’s historic Rangiatea church in October 1995. ” Asked for his plea he said ” ” “Shaw had claimed he helped burn Rangiatea because it was a symbol of division between the Anglican Church and Maori.” he said: ‘Do I look like a slave to white middle-class New Zealand?'”
Hmmmm Newshub leaving these facts out and describing Shaw as a cannabis grower doesn’t seem to be an accurate reflection of the story.
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February 25, 2020 1:01pm
Michael NZ

Would this work here?

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/02/trump_proposes_a_new_approach_to_the_broken_budget_process.html
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February 25, 2020 2:01pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The current bunch we have would not even be able to understand the first sentence
  
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  February 25, 2020 3:15pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    PTPM. ‘A 2021 budget? Are we having a budget Grant? What is a budget anyway? Is that when we tell lies about what we spend? Oh goodie!!’
    
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    February 25, 2020 3:20pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Venezuelan’s warnings. Coming to a place near you soon. Some of it is here now.
https://bongino.com/flashback-watch-venezuelans-powerful-warning-to-u-s-about-socialism-bernie-sanders/
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February 25, 2020 3:04pm
rightoverlabour

Nice one you two,

Quite happy to smile and wave while we stab you in the back. Obviously too Asian for us. Disgusting ( but drug smugglers get a free pass?)

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=12311405
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February 25, 2020 3:35pm
MrTips

So am in the schemozLe known as Koru AKL. JAG struts over but doesn’t offer a bottle opener. I want my money back.

What a G! Not.
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February 25, 2020 4:06pm
Happychappy

So now it Talley and secret Fisheries donations to the NZ First Foundations.
One of our biggest Fishing Companies, Talleys, and its Managing Director donated nearly $27,000 to the NZ First Foundation which has been bankrolling the NZ First Party.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12311558
I thought Winston and the NZ First Party were against Capitalism, but it seems not when comes from receiving large donations that some people refer to policy for donations or donations for policy.
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February 25, 2020 4:33pm
- sooty
  
  You don’t think that the NZF foundation only was brown bagging the horse industry, do you!
  Brown bags from everyone!
  Has Whinestone left for India yet?
  Can Comrade Cindy recall him?
  He’s stinking the place up!
  Not very nice look for our foreign minister, fronting up overseas representing NZ!
  Looks like we are a third world country!
  This the Col is the most corrupt government in NZs history!
  Whatcha gonna do about it Comrade?
  Continue with you overseas holiday are you?
  Who is the media on the junket with the Comrade?
  Who are the media on the pissup trip with Whinestone?
  
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  February 25, 2020 5:44pm
John Warren

Did anybody else see Ardern’s weak, pathetic response on One News last night when questioned about Winston torpedoing the Greens’ electric vehicle subsidy?
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February 25, 2020 4:43pm
MCos

Some good news for Thailand regarding Covid-19.
The Minister of Tourism, who knows about such things, says the coming hot weather in April/May will kill the virus off.

On the other hand I was talking to my doctor today who cheerfully told me males in my age range were the most susceptible to dying from Covid-19.
He thought a vaccine would be included in next year’s flu jab.
So for most people it’s 98% recovery rate, wee kids 99% and me, Keith Richard and Trump 96%.
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February 25, 2020 5:59pm
- Batman
  
  Thoughts and prayers!
  
  Someone should tell Trump about that and it would probably get an immediate response and a proper plan for it!
  
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  February 25, 2020 6:15pm
- Gazza the Giant
  
  What else can she possibly say
  
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  February 25, 2020 7:49pm
Nostradamus

So, earlier this month, we had Waitangi Day. Lots of ~~hooey~~ hui, flagwaving and protesting. And lots of “we are together” rhetoric from Jacinda. But, when all’s been said and done, has anything changed? Or can we look forward to more of the same next year (perhaps with a different Prime Minister in attendance)?
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February 25, 2020 6:05pm
- sooty
  
  If it’s a different PM, I hope he’s not there along with no ministers, defence personal, no one!
  No koha, pay for it yourself!
  
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  February 25, 2020 7:45pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Sooty:
    
    For many years we’ve seen the game of “high-stakes Trick-or-Treaty poker” play out on our TV screens. Our elected Prime Ministers made annual pilgrimmages to Waitangi to be abused and disrespected – even spat on.
    
    But then, two Prime Ministers refused to play the game, and then the rules of engagement changed.
    
    Who were those visionary Prime Ministers?
    
    2016: John Key
    
    Key scrapped Waitangi Day commemorations for the first time in February [2016] after threats of riots and a “gagging order” at the lower marae, Te Tii. … In February Key attended the NRL Auckland Nines instead of Waitangi Day after refusing to “gate-crash” an event where he wasn’t welcome or allowed to speak. At the time he said Te Tii was the gateway to the Waitangi treaty grounds and he wouldn’t attend at all if he wasn’t welcome at the lower marae.
    
    2017 Bill English
    
    [Bill] English said that before he returned to the Waitangi Treaty Grounds, the hosts of the occasion at Te Tii Marae needed to demonstrate they could run an event “worthy of the achievements of this country with respect to the Treaty of Waitangi”. He was not “throwing away history” but making sure the day was “observed in a way which New Zealanders are proud of”. English declined an invitation to attend an event on the Waitangi Treaty Grounds this year because the organising committee told him he would not be allowed to speak.
    
    And who can forget Helen Clark’s “blub blub” moment when she was humiliated during what was suppossed to be a Waitangi Day celebration?
    
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    February 25, 2020 8:22pm
MCos

I see Mr Trump struggling with some Indian names. My wife can sympathize.
We had a Tamil friend in Thailand called Swami except that Thais struggle with the ‘w’ pronunciation and compromised by calling him Salami.
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February 25, 2020 6:26pm
info@cruzpro.com

The lawyer fighting Air New Zealand banning her from flying Air New Zealand…

I am not an Air New Zealand fan. Have my
personal problems with them and won’t use them if possible, BUT this women has me cheering for Air New Zealand. She has obviously irritated Air New Zealand employees to the point that Air New Zealand is happy to get rid of her.

Wish that more companies had the guts to stand up for their employees and tell abusive customers to get lost.
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February 25, 2020 9:03pm
rightoverlabour

So glad this was highlighted by the New Zealand Press. Now it’s probably nothing, but then so was White Island….

Of course it could be that the silica rich magmas are being affected by increased interaction by muons because of the GSM, but thats the realm of sceptical science and we can’t promote that. Much better to keep quiet and then make money out of the ensuing disaster porn…

https://watchers.news/2020/02/24/short-lived-earthquake-swarm-beneath-ruapehu-volcano-new-zealand/
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