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artemisia

Mr Joyce today on making housing more affordable, including a pertinent note on the good result from Christchurch releasing land after the earthquake. Not a mention of a Kiwibuild – and IIRC it was Mr Hide who referred to that as ‘peak nuttiness’. Yep.

…. greatly increase land supply, ensure a ready supply of build finance, put less pressure on the Reserve Bank to lower interest rates to keep the economy going, enlist community and NGO help in supplying social housing, and stop treating the vast bulk of residential landlords like they are pariahs.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/119731577/before-we-start-talking-about-another-housing-crisis-lets-talk-about-what-works
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February 23, 2020 8:08am
- Sydney Alvarado
  
  I thought that Phil Twyford vowed to get rid of the Auckland urban boundary? Why hasn’t he done it?
  
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  February 23, 2020 8:14am
  - Hacked-Off
    
    The getting rid of the land boundary of Auckland went the same way of KiwiBuild and Transport – it won’t happen if Twyford has promised it.
    
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    February 23, 2020 8:56am
  - Simon
    
    Phil Twyford the only public sector property developer in world history to declare bankruptcy.
    
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    February 23, 2020 9:03am
    - sooty
      
      Sad, but true!
      
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      February 23, 2020 9:16am
  - peterwn
    
    Because he cannot change the RMA or introduce legislation to do this. The Greens (and most probably Winston) would not let him. The COL requires the support of BOTH minor parties to do anything. He could try and persuade Auckland Council to change this, but they are unlikely to agree.
    
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    February 23, 2020 9:04am
Caleb

I know it’s not really this blog’s style, but it must be getting close to time for a daily Covid-19 update. It seems clear that it really is starting to spread outside of China. Given that some people are symptomless incubators for well over 14 days, thing are likely much worse. Should we care?
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February 23, 2020 8:16am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The facts are still very unclear. Counting using dubious information is only increasing alarm.
  
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  February 23, 2020 8:26am
  - Simon
    
    “The facts are still very unclear”
    
    Lol – when are the WHO tards up for re-relection ?cause dont remember voting for them in the first place.
    
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    February 23, 2020 9:06am
    - sooty
      
      Hughie will be along shortly, he seems to have a new role as doctor dead!
      
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      February 23, 2020 9:18am
  - freethinker
    
    CCP has installed 40 incineration units in Wuhan, even if 20 are for burning hospital waste the other 20 have the capacity to burn 1000 bodies a day. You may think the CCP is over reacting at this level and good on them if so, better to be over than unprepared, whatever the Covid 9 is a disaster and the West must help China before it becomes a global disaster. Watch out for Africa which has extensive Chinese involvement and a very fragile health system.
    
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    February 23, 2020 11:10am
    - Nickc2
      
      It is already in Africa. Watch Aljazeera News and don’t believe the BS our MSM are pimping.
      
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      February 23, 2020 11:46am
    - GoVege
      
      Don’t you feel sorry for the poor medical workers on the front line….
      
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      February 23, 2020 12:13pm
- SGA
  
  Yes, we should care, but I think the question is by how much, and what we can practically do? If Covid-19 is going to spread globally, then it is probably only a matter of time before we get cases here (unless we adopt draconian measures). The longer we can hold it back the more we can learn about it and what treatments seem most effective.
  
  I’d guess that what we should be most concerned about (and trying to prevent) is a tsunami of cases that overwhelmed our medical system (e.g., multiple outbreaks in major centres and tourist locations).
  
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  February 23, 2020 8:35am
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘The longer we can hold it back’
    Seems very sensible
    What measures do you think are necessary to achieve this?
    
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    February 23, 2020 8:57am
    - DeepBlue
      
      Individual responsibility first: wash hands, don’t touch face, stay fit.
      
      We hope it stays out of NZ this winter so a vaccine can be developed for next year…. But I can’t see that happening, flu is a winter thing. It’ll be in South Asia, then Aussie then NZ by July/August.
      
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      February 23, 2020 10:09am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Sure wash hands
        But what about at the Border?
        
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        February 23, 2020 11:28am
      - SGA
        
        At the border? imho? Probably much as we are doing now, adjusted to include other countries if they start to develop similar-sized out breaks as China. The next big step up would be strict regulations on travellers from most/all countries. This would have extensive ramifications economically , of course. What I expect NZ to do is keep in step with Australia, and to a certain extent the US.
        
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        February 23, 2020 11:38am
      - All_on_Red
        
        28 Countries outside of China are now reporting over 1500 cases.
        Looks like it’s ‘broken out’ already.
        Shouldn’t we be more thorough checking passengers and even banning flights from some countries if we are to succeed at ‘the longer we hold it back’?
        
        If we stick to what we’re doing now, like other Countries, then it’s inevitable it will get here.
        Don’t you want to stop that?
        
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        February 23, 2020 12:52pm
      - SGA
        
        @All_on_Red
        Countries in similar situations to NZ (I’m thinking of Australia, US, and Canada) have, to date, been relatively successful containing the spread of the virus using a similar strategy.
        
        Unless you close the borders completely for an indefinite period of time (which probably isn’t workable), I think it highly probable it will reach NZ, possibly sooner rather later. As I said above, the thing to avoid most is a situation that allows a tsunami of cases that overwhelms our medical system.
        
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        February 23, 2020 6:03pm
    - DeepBlue
      
      Our government is already reviewing the border restrictions every 48hrs (was previously ten days), so they’re looking for the earliest opportunity to remove travel/trade restrictions.
      
      This is hurting the economy so much they will buckle and open the borders as soon as someone else China ?, WHO?, Australia? declares the virus a pandemic and the window to control is closed, so they can blame others.
      
      Don’t worry though the new Greymouth and (Dunedin… /s) hospitals will take the overflow of pneumonia cases.
      
      No elective surgery though, the health boards are still treating White Island patients.
      
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      February 23, 2020 11:48am
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      Step 1: Ignore the Chinese Ambassador kvetching about NZ taking similar measures as all the Chinese provinces are taking with respect to their own domestic inbound travelers…
      
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      February 23, 2020 4:13pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Yes, hold it back as long as we can and hope that by the time it does hit NZ (which it will), there is a vaccination.
    
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    February 23, 2020 10:29am
    - Pharmachick
      
      I seriously don’t think there will be a vaccine in time.
      
      EDIT TO ADD: Gilead Pharma has an experimental drug that was proven to be effective against coronavirus int he lab (its a failed hepatitis candidate)… I understand they’re making it available free for testing in China.
      
      I’m also waiting to hear if anybody’s tried amantadine or rimantadine – long shot as I’m not sure of the efficacy of the M2 pore for coronavirus, but it might work. Of course they are insertion inhibitors, so they’re better prophylactically, or in the first 48 hrs of influenza, and given eh long incubation time of Covid-19 I suspect not particularly useful even if the mechanism is correct.
      
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      February 23, 2020 3:24pm
  - freethinker
    
    The economic consequences will be significant, hopefully not enough to trigger a major global recession at least until after Sept 19 when we have a National Govt with ability.
    
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    February 23, 2020 11:13am
    - curry4me
      
      Yeah, that was worrying me about the November election in the US. A recession would end the Trump presidency. Incumbents don’t survive recessions end of story.
      
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      February 23, 2020 7:23pm
- MCos
  
  An interesting interview by Jim Mora on RNZ with an expert on the subject this morning.
  Makes a change from all the unexperts.
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/sunday/audio/2018735378/disease-modeller-says-covid-19-risk-to-nz-is-very-low
  
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  February 23, 2020 8:48am
  - Jules99
    
    “Like a weather forecaster, she uses mathematical equations to identify patterns in the hope of being able to predict trends that could be a threat to global security.”
    
    Yeah, because the weather forecaster is so accurate these days….
    
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    February 23, 2020 9:02am
    - MCos
      
      The interview is almost ten minutes long and contains a lot more information than that one sentence.
      BTW
      The weather forecast said rain yesterday and it rained.
      
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      February 23, 2020 9:24am
      - JibberJabber
        
        Heh, the broken clock in my kitchen sed it was 10 o clock this morning and it tells me that it`ll be 10 o clock again tonight.
        
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        February 23, 2020 10:18am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        MCos, I don’t know if you live in Auckland, but more than 50% of the time over the last year when Metservice said ‘showers’ the rain slid past. I suspect that they were worried about not ‘calling wolf’ and people complaining about getting wet when not forewarned. So they got into the habit of just saying ‘showers’ when there was no certainty.
        
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        February 23, 2020 10:32am
      - andydownhere
        
        It said rain here, and it didnt rain
        
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        February 24, 2020 7:58am
  - Simon
    
    Everything is fine. RNZ softening up mongs who just trust the gubermint.
    
    They let people off Diamond Princess, put them on planes and busses and sent them home. Because some tard expert said after 14 days everything is fine.
    
    Its too early they just dont know. Precautionary principle.
    
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    February 23, 2020 9:13am
    - MCos
      
      You remind me of a dog we used to own that was scared of loud noises, but not cars.
      Poor little bugger was run over.
      
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      February 23, 2020 9:31am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Your fault. A dog like that should have been on a leash.
        
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        February 23, 2020 10:34am
    - Sacha
      
      Home to another 14 days quarantine.
      One of the problems with this virus is that can be spread before the person feels sick, unlike most, which are only passed on once the person is already unwell – hence the need for preventive isolation.
      
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      February 23, 2020 4:53pm
- Jules99
  
  Dark web says it’s big. Choose to listen or not. Our media will tells us when it’s too late. Don’t want to frighten the little people do we?
  
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  February 23, 2020 9:03am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Much is Media hype.
  Link here for update
  https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
  One ship has more reported cases than all countries except China.
  Very low mortality rate compared with sars, over 60’s at risk, rest walking across the road would be a bigger risk other than China.
  Highly contagious but very treatable with good health system.
  Only country of concern would be South Korea which has jumped in figures, but still minute compared to China.
  As with SARS it will not be in the news in a few months time I would think.
  This is having a much more economic effect at many computer components now in short supply amongst other things.
  
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  February 23, 2020 10:28am
  - Caleb
    
    Wow, I would say you’re an optimist.
    There are already multiple deaths in Italy, South Korea and Iran and it appears like cases are increasing.
    I would be interested to know what it would take for people to be concerned and health services to really prepare. Then tell me if, at that stage, it would not be too late, supermarket shelves bare and hospitals overwhelmed..
    Hey, here’s hoping it’s just a media beat up.
    
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    February 23, 2020 11:47am
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      Plus – the Singaporeans really have their sheeit together and they are having a lot of trouble trying to slow down spread…
      
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      February 23, 2020 4:15pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’d trust South Korea’s information..
    
    There has been an 8-fold increase in infection in 4 days there.
    
    Coronavirus: South Korea confirms huge rise in cases
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51596665
    
    I think the WHO wont be too far away from declaring Covid-19 at Pandemic level.
    
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    February 23, 2020 3:02pm
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      WHO were late to the PHEIC declaration because domestic Ethiopian political pressure on Tedros from ChiComs spending $200million on his vanity project at home…
      
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      February 23, 2020 4:16pm
  - Pharmachick
    
    I am particularly worried now that the fecal/oral route has been confirmed in addition to airborne droplets… that’s part of why norovirus is such a problem on cruise ships – because the toilet is usually right next to the sink where your tooth brush is, and if one person gets diarrhea… also shared toilets with high use and touching door handles even after washing hands.
    
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    February 23, 2020 3:30pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    Mortality lower than SARS but 10 x normal influenza, and it spreads far more readily than SARS. Closest analogue is the 1918 Flu.
    
    SARS was bad because it had a relatively high mortality (but a lot lower than MERS), however it did not spread very well so there was no real epidemic though quite a few cases.
    
    COVID-19 seems to spread very fast and through asymptotic spreaders (who May later go on to develop the disease). It may be mild in many cases, but also seems to have serious complications with a lot of cases especially if there is an existing under,yang condition, but not only because of that, it also seems to produce excessive immune responses.
    
    If the numbers of cases are small, a good health system can cope, but if it becomes epidemic the death rate will rise rapidly as there is limited availability of the necessary treatment equipment.
    
    This could be a huge killer worldwide, and quite possibly it is too late to prevent it escaping into the wild.
    
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    February 23, 2020 7:17pm
- Michael NZ
  
  We should care Caleb, but the information available to us is patchy or downright wrong.
  
  The CDC and others are having to backtrack info into China and elsewhere, to get a handle and that, because it isn’t 100% can’t be disseminated to the public.
  
  I have had some horrible vids from inside China sent to me, that would indicate the CCP is wholesale lying to us all.
  I cannot verify them but trust my friends as I know them and their families.
  
  But we should care, because if it goes wrong, travel worldwide will be affected as well as supply lines.
  
  My family have 4 trips globally this year, both work and holiday, this month, April, June/July and Oct.
  2X through Singapore which is one of my favourite cities in the world.
  
  If things go to custard we won’t be travelling because we can’t or it gets cancelled because of risk.
  
  I hope that isn’t the case for the worlds sake, the thought of this virus burning across the globe and breaking the fabric of society, as it could, makes me very sad.
  
  I blame the CCP for lying and not being on the forefront of the action with the world.
  
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  February 23, 2020 4:11pm
gravedodger

Information Please?
When a Number eight chooses to gather the ball at a scrum when does he release his bind to avoid “Hands in the scrum”.
Chiefs Eight last night remained “bound and assisting their scrum” after picking the ball up in his left hand in the lead up to a great try by Cruden.
Just asking.
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February 23, 2020 8:23am
- yossarian
  
  Rugby laws have me nearly giving up watching. My bug bear, is that the team defending a maul must only engage from the back, whilst the attacking team can enter from the side, taking out defenders.
  
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  February 23, 2020 8:39am
- Clyde
  
  Football is a simple game played by clever people, while rugby is a clever game played by simple people. Put another way, the rules of rugby are so complex, so confusing, so able to be interpreted, they make the game ridiculous. On the other hand, the rules of football – and hockey for that matter – are simple. I suspect that the complexity of the rules are just one of the factors that are leading to huge reductions in people watching rugby either live or on media.
  
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  February 23, 2020 9:25am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    I really miss watching football in Europe. There’s something about the elegance and skill of the best players that I find much more appealing than rugby.
    
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    February 23, 2020 10:41am
    - Liberty
      
      The games in Europe have full attendance and the games are full of passion.
      The fact that at some time in history the countries playing would have tried to
      kill each other. The world has moved on for the better.
      
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      February 23, 2020 11:26am
      - MH
        
        wasn’t there some war in Sth America over soccer relatively in living and dying
        memory?
        
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        February 23, 2020 12:41pm
    - MH
      
      It’s the hugging and deliberate fouling and hollywood dives and sham pain attacks and intimidation of referees that must appeal to your liberal nature then?
      
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      February 23, 2020 12:40pm
  - MrLovebucket
    
    Soccer is of course, a girls game. 🙂
    
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    February 23, 2020 12:42pm
  - Michael NZ
    
    Union looks just like League to me.
    
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    February 23, 2020 4:12pm
- Brian McDonald
  
  Tricky question to answer. Apart from flankers all players in a scrum are bound with 2 arms. Cruden’s try aside what is the answer?
  
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  February 23, 2020 10:29am
oldpark

The Private Property rights for NZs is sacred . Think again . After next week when Peters and Ardern have fled NZ for some so called overseas business the Private Property rights of NZs will be eroded for ever. Yes the Peters/Ardern selected gang of no hopers will have buckled to their mates the radicals of “IHUMATO” and sold out the rights of NZs Private Property owners .
Just think the damage to the rights of NZs dosn’t seem to mean much since Peters selected “Commie Chic Ardern”and the Greens.
To think that the cabal of Labour/Greens/NZ First
will be wanting NZs to vote for them after such a betrayal of their Private Property rights.
Imagine if they get away with such an arrogant get stuffed decision against our once so called carved in stone Private Property rights what next .
Wonder how that arrogant decisionwill play out in the coming General Election on September 19 2020 .
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February 23, 2020 8:28am
- MCos
  
  The private property rights of NZers are most certainly not sacred.
  You need a permit to build just about anything. You can’t make a racket in the middle of the night if you live next to other people. The police can enter your property with a court order, and sometimes without. The government can take your land for public works.
  The government used to confiscate Māori land, which is the root cause of the problem just down the road from your correspondent.
  
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  February 23, 2020 9:15am
  - Rich Prick
    
    All of those examples have reasonably tight and reviewable controls. Whereas a mob of the right colour can trespass and get your property if Cindy decides to intervene.
    
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    February 23, 2020 12:37pm
- sooty
  
  Which minister will release it?
  Special K, Mega-fightery or Clare Curran?
  I bet they are all fighting over that job?
  
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  February 23, 2020 9:22am
- Nickc2
  
  You deserve more upticks Oldpark!
  
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  February 23, 2020 10:19am
Monique Watson

Labour has totally bent over with Ihumatao. The worst aspect is Kiwi taxpayers having to front up with dosh for a useless scrubby piece of land that will never be developed and never have added value. What is it going to be? Storage for wakas? Who is going to own it? Fletchers should have sued the Government to delay this until after the election.
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February 23, 2020 8:38am
- All_on_Red
  
  How many houses are now not to be built?
  Winning with Labour eh
  
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  February 23, 2020 8:59am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    More houses are NOT being built at Ihumatao than the total number of Kiwibuild houses that HAVE been built to date.
    
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    February 23, 2020 9:32am
    - freethinker
      
      Kiwi crap houses bought by Govt have cost $26 Million and counting.
      
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      February 23, 2020 11:18am
- Ruahine
  
  Fletchers get a lot of government contracts.
  I think a lot of this is read between the lines. Just think if this was another company and said to hell with this we are going to court. There is a reason Ardern could tell Fletchers to stop work. It is blackmail and brownmail all rolled into one.
  
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  February 23, 2020 9:59am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    She couldn’t tell them she could only ask.
    
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    February 23, 2020 10:41am
    - gravedodger
      
      Some times asking has a whole lot more impact than what you are hinting.
      Fletchers were under serious pressure to say “how high” Jass
      
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      February 23, 2020 11:07am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      With the implied threat of contracts at stake?
      The PM is showing her socialist bully to the full.
      Her Oath of Office is meaningless so are now the laws she has a duty to uphold.
      
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      February 23, 2020 12:45pm
- Jules99
  
  Still if we ever need a tented quarantine area, that bit of land would be perfect. Near the airport for a start.
  
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  February 23, 2020 1:22pm
wreck1080

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/119627680/why-do-maori-suffer-inequality-in-the-health-system-some-experts-say-its-white-privilege

The ‘Some Experts’ are wrong, at least according to some health professionals I talk with — Maori don’t turn up to appointments, they don’t administer medications or alter their lifestyle as required. They don’t treat their health problems with the seriousness they deserve.

This is about personal responsibility, not racism.
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February 23, 2020 8:49am
- MCos
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  That’s a very sweeping statement.
  
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  February 23, 2020 9:16am
  - Tall Man
    
    Mate, the original article is a very sweeping statement so why not the reply?
    
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    February 23, 2020 11:39am
  - Kiwi Dave
    
    It is a sweeping statement, though qualified by the opening sentence which makes clear the limited evidential basis of wreck’s final statement.
    
    The linked item provides nowhere near enough evidence to justify its repeated explanation of racism while letting slip a rare hint that racism is not the only explanation.
    
    Without seeing the original data and what was controlled for in the studies, eg, social class, factors mentioned by wreck, etc, it’s just not possible for the reader to confidently conclude racism.
    
    Unfortunately, a great deal of social science research is limited by cost and researcher bias, and newspaper summaries are limited by brevity and reporter ignorance. A year or two ago there were dramatic news reports alleging racism in health treatment, but it was clear from the reports that probably a good deal of racial difference in outcomes could be explained by the different geographic distributions of ethnic groups and health boards.
    
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    February 23, 2020 12:13pm
  - Michael NZ
    
    It is true MCos.
    
    The next push is equal outcomes….
    
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    February 23, 2020 4:16pm
- Clyde
  
  Yet another dubious bit of research from a “maori” unit within a University. The inference is that some clinicians wake up each day and reinforce their inherent racist attitudes by refusing to treat maori in the same way as anyone else. If I was a clinician I’d be thinking seriously about legal action. The sooner that less oxygen is given to these “senior” lecturers in their inherently race-based cosy sinecures in highly paid Uni positions, the better.
  
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  February 23, 2020 9:31am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    This type of ‘research’ is totally confusing health workers. These ‘researchers’ want it both ways: ‘same treatment’ but also ‘culturally appropriate’. Well, that can’t be the same, can it?
    
    First they claim “If Māori were treated the same as non-Māori in health, the tribunal found, there should be no difference in health outcomes or interventions.”
    
    Ok, so exactly same treatment for everyone is GOOD?
    
    [Btw, there are genetic differences (not just race of course, families too) that do increase people’s risks. E.g. lots of cancer in my (baaaad white) family. So my risk is considered higher that average.]
    
    But then: “The health system is designed around Pākēhā culture, she says. It’s a heavily biomedical system still based on a western british model imposed after colonisation.”
    
    Wait, so the same treatment for everyone is BAD?
    
    “”For Pākēhā people a lot of their interactions with the health system they can just be themselves,” says Cormack. “The system is designed to deliver to them in English, to the sorts of values that come along with western ways of thinking about health.””
    
    WTF? Too much science? Too much English language? Not enough astrology? WTF does this crazy woman actually want?
    
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    February 23, 2020 11:11am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Funny how New Zealanders of Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Indian, Filipino, etc,. can cope with the “health system is designed around Pākēhā culture” just fine.
      
      Could it be that the health systems of the world are based a good deal on the Western model?
      
      This woman has an extremely limited world view.
      
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      February 23, 2020 11:46am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Not just coping: Asians are excelling. Last time I visited the hospital there were so many young Asian doctors. Good on them. They put in the work and their parents probably had a sensible (small) number of kids to ensure best education and parental attention.
        
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        February 23, 2020 11:55am
      - GoVege
        
        Yes, Classic Liberal, Asians are doing very well overall.
        They still have their problems with chauvinism though.
        I used to know a lovely, absolutely stunning woman from SE Asia.
        She confided in me that each time she gave birth to a girl (twice), her businessman husband was so angry, he took off for months on end.
        (She mentioned how kind and supportive her Kiwi neighbours were to her, thankfully. )
        Eventually hubby got over his sulks and returned home, but what a cruel thing to put a young new mother through, with no family in the country.
        Refugees from Asia are not known to treat their wives well, especially when they marry local women.
        I know kids from such marriages who have really suffered.
        
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        February 23, 2020 1:10pm
      - Michael NZ
        
        “The whole system is designed to work for Pākēhā and against Māori.”
        
        Now that’s racist talk and utter bollocks.
        My wife and her team (multicultural) who work their butts off for all their patients are/would be incensed by this utter crap.
        
        We are at war.
        A cultural war with leftists and Maori Activists.
        Maori Apartheid is happening here in NZ against the other races/groups.
        Aided and abetted by woke young people.
        
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        February 23, 2020 4:27pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Classic Liberal, if this Sheila wants different medical treatment for Maori, she should set up a Give-A-Little page and fund the difference with the proceeds.
      There ya go Tania Huria, problem solved.
      On second thoughts, maybe you could grab a %age of taxpayer’s funds paid out via these bogus TOW claims.
      
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      February 23, 2020 12:04pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Ironically, the more that Maori are treated as special people and the more that they are held to different levels of competance and ethical behavior, the worse their overall situation becomes.
        
        Is “special treatment designed to ‘right the perceived wrongs of the past'” effectively a form of abuse, regardless of how well-intentioned it apears on the surface?
        
        Look at the outcomes to determine the truth.
        
        Of course, some will claim, “It wasn’t done properly. Let’s do more of it” and expect a different outcome. Einstein had a quote about people like that.
        
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        February 23, 2020 12:38pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Maori I’m sure are offered similar care to any other NZedders–that follows from citizenship. Some may reject it like any treatment regime. Some scrappers and activists may seek to take Maori back to ancient cultural remedies, if they actually new them. Are they any more useful?
      
      NZ is well served by having access to the best of world knowledge and we are are not far behind in practice. To push the second rate is a disservice to both academia and Maori.
      
      I make a line of herbal remedies with ingredients in use over 3,000 years. Some are similar to our manuka but the Aussie one is far more potent. Culture doesn’t win: effective does. Colonialism? Anyone advocating that should be disqualified to teach.
      
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      February 23, 2020 12:57pm
      - Jack5
        
        Kevin, as someone in the field, do you notice any difference between manuka from New Zealand and that from Australia, where it is also indigenous?
        
        The remedy you are talking of being “far more potent” – is that Tea Tree oil?
        
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        February 23, 2020 1:27pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        @Jack5 – more likely Manuka honey which has demonstrated aseptic and antibiotic effects.
        
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        February 23, 2020 4:00pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        I haven’t needed to compare the NZ and Aus. manukas their cousin, also known as “tea tree”, Melaleuca alternifolia is far more potent.
        
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        February 23, 2020 5:06pm
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  Pointing out observable patterns of behaviour is not allowed, because changing individual’s behaviour obviates the need for the desired (and unnecessary) changes to the system.
  
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  February 23, 2020 10:43am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  I once heard a similar comment about the land wars of the 19th Century in New Zealand. It went something like this:
  
  “For the British, the situation was serious, but never hopeless. For the Maori, the situation was hopeless, but never serious.”
  
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  February 23, 2020 10:46am
- GoVege
  
  Nah, wreck, you gotta get past culture first.
  Chauvinist cultures demand women have at least six kids so the men can prove what studs they are, and the women are stuck at home caring for the kids.
  This leaves the husbands free to pursue other women without their wives tagging along.
  Maori women are sick of other women stealing their husbands so they leave the kids at home, and make the eldest take on the job of parents.
  Kids are obviously not capable of dishing out medicine and making meals as well as an adult, hence their health suffers.
  Then both parents get home drunk and fight it out in the privacy of their own home, i.e. in front of the poor kids.
  This is not true of all Maori families, but it is true of enough of them to make an impact on their health.
  
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  February 23, 2020 12:52pm
WaveyDavey

“…non-Māori are more likely to be put on the kidney wait list before they need dialysis than Māori…

“Māori get the disease, then they go on dialysis, then the waitlist,” says Huria.”

I mean there’s no way that the advice to Maori might be: “give up the booze and fags, lose some weight and then we’ll put you on the list” could there?
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February 23, 2020 9:19am
- Ian Boag
  
  On the face of it sounds reasonable. But it’s a bit of a slippery slope tagging medical action to social judgement. Hippocratic oath and all that.
  
  Lung cancer treatment for (former) smokers? Hip/knee replacements for old people when there are young rugby players who need orthopedic surgeon input? The diabetes thing for old fatties who drink too much Coke and eat too much Maccas?
  
  Some of it no doubt happens now as part of the rationing process. Formal guidelines would be a bit of a nightmare ….
  
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  February 23, 2020 9:39am
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Nothing at all to do with “social judgement” everything to do with being the best physical condition for a transplant to work.
    
    Exactly the advice my (white) old man got when his kidneys packed in.
    
    https://www.geisinger.org/health-and-wellness/wellness-articles/2018/03/05/21/17/how-to-prepare-for-a-kidney-donation
    
    “Preparing for surgery
    The best way to prepare for a kidney transplant is to make healthy habit changes.
    
    Start exercising regularly if you aren’t already. Start eating a healthy diet—this will help both before and after your procedure.
    
    “If you’re going in for a kidney transplant, it’s important to quit smoking,” said Dr. Bermudez. “Smoking can increase your risk of complications. It can also cause your wounds to heal more slowly. Try to quit smoking at least four weeks before surgery.”…”
    
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    February 23, 2020 9:43am
    - Ian Boag
      
      Fair comment. The actual Stuff article is not quite as simplistic. Sure there’s a couple of academics on soapboxes, but there is some concerning stuff in there too.
      
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      February 23, 2020 10:08am
      - WaveyDavey
        
        The error is in the omission.
        
        What is the general level of health of Maori compared to white and asian kiwis?
        
        I see the article says PI also do “poorly” according to these figures
        
        Are smoking, obesity and excess-alcohol consumption levels higher in Maori/PI communities?
        
        What’s the general level of health awareness/education for the different groups?
        
        How early do different groups seek treatment?
        
        How regularly do the differing groups consult doctors?
        
        How well do the differing groups adhere to medical/health advice?
        
        All these, and more, come into play but all these are ignored in favour of an “it’s all a racist plot” approach that Stuff, and in particular this author favours.
        
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        February 23, 2020 10:23am
      - marcw
        
        Re the Opinion piece from Stuff:
        
        “It’s important to name where the privilege rests. I don’t think of white as necessarily about the colour of the individual. It’s about what our society values which is the systems, institutions and language that has come as part of colonisation from Europe. So it’s whiteness as a conceptual category.”
        
        Oh dear, this quote from Dr Donna Cormack who is “an Otago University researcher and senior lecturer at Auckland University. She’s spent years studying racism in health here and overseas.”
        
        Now I love to read about stuff where i learn information about things I don’t understand, or how others have different views on sometimes controversial topics – it adds to my outlook on life and sometimes changes how i think. Which is good right? Well I’m sorry, but adding a charge of racism into our 21st Century model of medicine is a step too far. My BS meter crashed as I got through this piece (actually, at about the quarter way mark, but I persisted). It goes into the bin with David’s post yesterday “A New Record For Wokeness”.
        
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        February 23, 2020 10:52am
      - WaveyDavey
        
        Also one extraordinary elephant in the room:
        
        What’s the difference in the familial-donation rate between the different ethnicities? It’s mentioned but not really addressed in the Stuff article
        
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        February 23, 2020 10:29am
    - Nickc2
      
      A lot of this stuff is bought on by Maori driving Electric Vehicles ya know. This is a direct quote from the renowned University of Hikurangi.
      
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      February 23, 2020 10:32am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      It is a known fact that ethnic groups have different health patterns.
      
      Just a few examples:
      
      Asians have higher rates of lactose intolerance.
      Caucasians have higher rates of skin cancer.
      Polynesians have higher rates of obesity (for the good evolutionary reason that there were post-storm famines they needed to survive).
      
      Again Leftards are confusing equal opportunities with equal outcomes.
      
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      February 23, 2020 11:21am
      - Jack5
        
        Cancer rates vary between races. Diet will play a part, as it does in gout, and may explain why Maori tend to suffer more gout than whites. This maybe cause they, on average, eat more shellfish and other sea food.
        
        But here’s the humdinger of all suggestions of different environmental factors that may influence cancer, in this case prostate cancer.
        
        This article suggests that squat toilets, rather than the sit-down variety popular in the West, may be the reason why Asian men suffer less prostate cancer than Westerners, though the difference shrinks among their Westernised descendants in America.
        
        https://www.lifeadvancer.com/prostate-cancer/
        
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        February 23, 2020 12:30pm
      - Michael NZ
        
        they are not confusing it, equal outcomes is a mantra now….
        
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        February 23, 2020 4:29pm
Fletch

What do people think about the bullied dwarf-kid story? My gut tells me that there’s something fishy about the whole thing….. ?
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February 23, 2020 9:23am
- JibberJabber
  
  Certainly something going on if you have a working Bullshit Detector, earned them $200k + on Givealittle.
  
  https://twitter.com/GeoffsNZViews/status/1231306272193961985
  
  https://twitter.com/OzraeliAvi/status/1231016882041344000
  
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  February 23, 2020 10:00am
- stigie
  
  Nothing fishy about it !~
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12310864
  
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  February 23, 2020 11:07am
Hair Removal Specialist

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/well-good/119731712/what-must-happen-to-stop-men-from-killing-their-wives-and-children
“Her idea, outlined in a column for the Sydney Morning Herald, was that during a separation, every man should have to undergo a mental health assessment and be scrutinised for signs of violence.”
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February 23, 2020 9:42am
- TWEEDSE
  
  So glad this “family violence specialist” hasn’t fallen into the trap of making generalisations. You know, like all men are bad and all women are good.
  
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  February 23, 2020 10:24am
- alloytoo
  
  What about before entering a relationship?
  
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  February 23, 2020 10:30am
  - Hair Removal Specialist
    
    They could just ban men from any contact with woman and farm them for their seed when any female wants to reproduce.
    
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    February 23, 2020 2:08pm
In Vino Veritas

Sunday Times. “Is meat for the chop”?
According to Colmar Brunton, 15% of NZ’rs are now vegan. So this implies that NZ is heading toward meat free according to the paper. Surely the headline should have been “40 years of veganist activism and 85% of NZ’rs still eat meat”.
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February 23, 2020 9:48am
- Gravelroad
  
  Should we prepare for another “ Captain’s Call” regarding the phase out of all animal farming?
  Nothing would surprise me.
  If that happens, NZ will soon be forced to import fake factory contrived meat and plant based produce – but at least the land will be recovered in weed.
  Still, there will be plenty of greenery to feed the explosion of non-managed animals and birds……..
  
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  February 23, 2020 10:06am
  - sooty
    
    So NZ is to look like the Raglan golf course!
    
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    February 23, 2020 10:51am
    - Nickc2
      
      Yes Sooty, but don’t worry as there will be heaps of legal Marijuana so after getting stoned, Raglan Golf Course will look like paradise.
      
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      February 23, 2020 12:14pm
    - Gravelroad
      
      No Sooty – don’t think so.
      If there are no managed, grazing animals on rural land, then that land quickly reverts to scrub and weed/s, or forests of course. Forests use a lot of water, as do grape vines.
      Where we live, if no animal farming, the land would be covered in non-indigenous plants in no time.
      Also, at present the non-farmed animals such as feral deer, pigs, goats, possums, rabbits etc would quickly get beyond control – as would birds such as ducks and geese.
      All these poo in the water and there is no way to stop them from doing this……if there is no management……by farmers.
      
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      February 23, 2020 1:15pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Gravelroad, when and where did you see a critter shit in the water where it drinks? I think you have been tainted by the Green Paint Brush crap espoused by our CoL Government. My observation says they don’t crap in their drinking water. They may walk around in it etc but that’s it.
        
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        February 23, 2020 1:54pm
      - Gravelroad
        
        Nickc2- there is 4km of river running through our place, as well as numerous streams, creeks and springs.
        I am not talking about drinking water troughs for stock in small flat paddocks.
        And I am not sure that ducks and Canadian geese, for example, are too bothered about not pooing in their water supply. This is a contributor to rural river and pond water pollution.
        
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        February 23, 2020 2:28pm
      - IndividualResponsibility
        
        Gravelroad – I recall learning from Ag students at my secondary school (which provided an Agricultural course) in the mid-1960s, that it was accepted that pastures left un-stocked/unattended, risked being overwhelmed by gorse and/or broom within 20 years.
        Indeed, in the south, where gorse/broom appeared to proliferate, it was seen as a sign of a farmer going broke.
        245T was a boon in the 60s. Less so now though!
        
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        February 23, 2020 3:37pm
      - Tall Man
        
        We have a couple of imports that keep our grass and verges in check … John Deer by name 🙂
        
        Only takes about 3 hours to get the land sorted.
        
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        February 23, 2020 7:39pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Sorry nick, we have a few lakes a few hundred meters away and I can assure you that the paradise ducks, mallards and Canada geese all crap in those lakes and keep the perch well fed.
        
        Wherever cattle have access to streams or lakes I have never seen them back out to take a crap.
        
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        February 23, 2020 7:43pm
  - Close Hen Counters
    
    If she stops animal farming then her Waitangi bbq is going to look a bit dismal …. Quorn on the grill?
    
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    February 23, 2020 11:06am
  - freethinker
    
    Gravelroad – here is a link to what is in your plant based “meat”
    https://ysb.co.nz/have-your-say-305/
    Enjoy.
    
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    February 23, 2020 11:31am
  - alloytoo
    
    but, but their methane emissions?
    
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    February 23, 2020 11:50am
- JibberJabber
  
  It`s the perennial Vegan wet dream, reality notwithstanding.
  
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  February 23, 2020 10:15am
- DeepBlue
  
  I could accept 15% saying they have a wholly vegetarian diet. I eat less meat, with meat generally only for dinner and I can go 2 or 3 days meatless because I want to cook and eat a particular vego dish, but I am not a vegetarian.
  
  The thing with being a vegan is that it is really hard to stick with for a whole lifetime. My son gave it a really good go for a decade, but is now a vegetarian.
  
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  February 23, 2020 10:23am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Veganism can cause serious health problems (e.g. B12) and needs to be practised with a lot of skill and dedication.
    
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    February 23, 2020 11:25am
    - mark15
      
      Marmite is the answer.
      
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      February 23, 2020 12:10pm
      - Tall Man
        
        If marmite is the answer, it must be a really silly question ?
        
        Vegemite for me ?
        
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        February 23, 2020 12:29pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Yes, it turns you into a huge twat.
      
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      February 23, 2020 2:39pm
- mandk
  
  15 percent of NZers vegan?
  
  I don’t believe it.
  
  It’s one of those ridiculous stats, like 10 percent of the population is homosexual and 8 percent are transsexual (whatever that means).
  
  Was the survey done solely in Aro Valley?
  
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  February 23, 2020 2:14pm
Wangas Feral

Feral Daughter was vegan and her health collapsed. She almost died of heart failure at 21 years of age – how she did not I can only put down to luck or good genes. She is better now and eats food that humans were designed by nature to eat. And her running times have improved beyond all belief. It made my old feral heart happy to see her eating a steak last night.
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February 23, 2020 10:30am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Wow Feral, you must have been so worried! What exactly caused her heart failure?
  
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  February 23, 2020 11:26am
  - Wangas Feral
    
    She had zero measurable potassium in her body – despite eating things vegans think are good sources of K.
    
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    February 23, 2020 12:18pm
    - Classic Liberal
      
      That’s quite typical of vegans: they persuade themselves that just because some vegetable has a certain element in it, that element will be available to the body. Quite often it isn’t available in that form.
      
      I’m glad she survived and is eating more sensibly now.
      
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      February 23, 2020 12:38pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Aren’t there some foods that require “companion” foods to enable them to release their nutrients?
        
        I also remember reading that some foods in combination with others block nutrients eg: Tea with meals stops some foods releasing iron or something like that.
        
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        February 23, 2020 3:11pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwFTZawOc9k
Coronavirus: How WHO Corruption Helped It Spread. It wouldn’t surprise me if some UN denizens have accounts in assorted discreet tax havens.
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February 23, 2020 10:55am
- mandk
  
  The entire UN operation is a tax haven.
  
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  February 23, 2020 2:09pm
  - curry4me
    
    Ans pretty corrupt too.
    
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    February 23, 2020 7:41pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1P-VCu1bg4
Furious French Protesters CONFRONT Macron as He Faces HUMILIATING DEFEAT in Local Elections!!! Teacher’s pet gets another F.
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February 23, 2020 10:56am
Close Hen Counters

What a truly awful weekend for deaths on New Zealand roads -one in Pipiroa, two in Cambridge, two near Morrinsville-Tahuna and another 2-3 this morning up near Whangarei. We travelled behind a lovely chap towing a trailer on kopu-hikuai yesterday and poor fellow had the back of his ute slip on summer ice jack knifing the trailer only just missing another oncoming car before smashing into the bank -just awful stuff to see
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February 23, 2020 11:12am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  No trailer brakes? Should be law for any trailer over 750 GVM
  
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  February 23, 2020 4:52pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Once they start going sideways things are difficult to get back.
    
    Heading home with a large load of timber my trailer started to sway and started to “drive” the car onto the wrong side of the road. A Fulton Hogan traffic control truck following me slowed down, dropped his barrier and put on the flashers … the cars coming towards us could see us moving into and out of the land and not one slowed down. We avoided impact by pure luck and managed to accelerate enough to stop the sway and pulled over.
    
    The Fulton Hogan driver jumped and said “fuck, that was awesome”. I didn’t think so 🙂
    
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    February 23, 2020 8:00pm
Happychappy

Is this another of our Prime Prime Minister’s scare mongering exercises to gather votes.
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern tells Ministers NZ is at ‘ greater risk’ of terror attacks after March 15. She also told Cabinet that in order to bolster NZ ‘s counter terrorism efforts, more money is needed in this years budget. Ardern’s comments came in a Cabinet paper delivered in September last year, which was unclassified for the first time this week.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12310701
You watch the Government, Jacinda Ardern and there Coalition partners play this for all of what it’s worth to gather votes for Septembers General Election.
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February 23, 2020 11:28am
- sooty
  
  Can you just imagine the amount of armed police in CC for protecting Comrade Cindy!
  There will be shitloads of plods on armed foot patrol, mobil gun trucks roaming the streets, gun ship in the air!
  All because the Comrade wants the photo ops to show of her new tea towel!
  Would the shooting have happened if she personally had not changed the gun ownership laws and the police had issued Branton Tarrants gun license according to the law and not stuffed up, by giving the right to have a gun?
  
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  February 23, 2020 12:18pm
  - Tall Man
    
    The changes removed the need to go to the police station with your mssa. I believe that had tarrant needed to front there may have been a different outcome.
    
    But then the quality of the reference check was appalling.
    
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    February 23, 2020 10:03pm
- yossarian
  
  Does she need reminding (because the media won’t) that New Zealand’s worst terrorist attack happened on her watch?
  
  Would you re-hire the baby sitter because she only poisoned one of your children?
  
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  February 23, 2020 12:21pm
maxritchie

Dr Cormack’s complaint of prejudice in the medical profession is a serious accusation of illegality. The offenders have committed a crime. But, and it’s a big but, a check of her entry on the UofA website shows her last publication in 2016 is about devising a research protocol to detect bias among med students. I suspect that Dr Cormack started many years ago with a belief that there was bias in the health system and has developed a career trying to prove it. I look forward to seeing her evidence, as no doubt the Medical Council and the Royal College of Physicians are.
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February 23, 2020 11:57am
Tall Man

So yesterday a comment was made about the Tax Payer’s Union attacking rural NZ because they reported on an empty school forcing the minister to finally close it.

I also commented that closing a school devoid of pupils was not an attack and also referred to the poster as someone who was helping National every time they posted because they turned people away from the left with their stupidity.

That comment was deleted.

No anti ardern comment, no swear words no “hate speech” just a direct criticism of a ridiculous comment, with a little sarcasm thrown in for good measure.

Deleted, why?

Obviously there are “rules” that I have no idea about. Perhaps like the coalition agreement, they are “secret”!
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February 23, 2020 11:58am
- Tall Man
  
  Anybody?
  
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  February 23, 2020 3:04pm
  - peterwn
    
    Start your own blog.
    
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    February 23, 2020 7:06pm
    - Tall Man
      
      That’s ridiculous and hopefully you know that.
      
      A reasonable post was deleted without explanation.
      
      What’s wrong with asking why?
      
      It’s a shame the moderation is required and that people choose to post stuff that is deliberately offensive, defamatory or abusive but it seems that that happens. I just wanted to know why my post was deleted as I do not believe it crossed any line.
      
      A post was deleted because I used the phrase “sad wee man”…. Do you think that is so offensive that it needed deletion?
      
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      February 23, 2020 7:55pm
Manolo

Will DPF endorse Sanders over Trump? You bet! 🙂
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/22/politics/bernie-sanders-2020/index.html
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February 23, 2020 12:17pm
niggly

Can anyone from Canterbury explain what’s the story with having a “9 year anniversary” (9 ???) to commemorate the 2011 earthquake?

And why did Mayor Dalziel’s issue an apology (for an event caused by “mother nature”)?

Was this “9 year anniversary” planned months in advance … or did it come out of the blue out of nowhere in the last couple of weeks (like how I heard about it in the media)?

Please reassure me that surely this is not a deflection from Dalziel due to a Police investigation into her campaign funding and her husband’s involvement?!!

(Or was it a Fraser House initiate to protect a vital member of Labour’s Sisterhood)?!!
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February 23, 2020 1:08pm
- Fletch
  
  That’s what I’ve been wondering about all day. WTF has she got to apologize for? That there was an earthquake in her town? The whole thing makes no sense.
  
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  February 23, 2020 6:13pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Read this and you might change your mind:
    
    For the failure of the building, my view is that the owners are responsible. For the 12 deaths, I believe that the City Council is responsible because they could have implemented safety measures but they chose not to. They could have enforced their decision but they didn’t; they requested repairs but didn’t follow up on it. Morally, I’d say that the owners are to blame and, legally, I’d say that the council is to blame.
    
    https://architecturenow.co.nz/articles/luck-played-no-part-in-this/
    
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    February 23, 2020 7:07pm
lifesgood

Outsiders on Sky News gave both Winston and Jacinda the bums rush this morning….quite entertaining.
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February 23, 2020 1:21pm
Jack5

Who vets the vetters?

A big backlog is building up in police vetting for jobs.

Vetting is wise in State and local-body jobs entailing working with children, but what about this statement in the Stuff report:

As well, last year’s mosque terror attacks in Christchurch also resulted in more people requiring police vetting.

Vetting for what? Are they targeting people who comment about Islam, but not, of course those who criticise Christianity?

In the interests of freedom of thought and freedom of speech it would be interesting to know what the police standards are in this. Would posting on something like Kiwiblog block you from a schoolie’s job?

This is especially so given the chief of police’s stance on freedom of speech, and given Justice Minister Little’s enthusiasm to curb what he calls “hate speech”. Little is an authoritarian, and freedom of speech is in danger.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/410152/vetting-application-influx-swamps-police-puts-pressure-on-nzdf
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February 23, 2020 1:21pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Would posting on something like Kiwiblog block you from a schoolie’s job?
  
  Anyone who now searches for my name can see that at various times some folks on Kiwiblog have questioned my sanity, labelled me a racist, and described me as alt-right in my beliefs.
  
  I’ve been vetted by the Police twice since I’ve been in Gisborne (for volunteer newspaper reading for Blind Foundation) and for volunteer literacy work I do in one of the schools here.
  
  I assume those vetting don’t bother with such trivia as on-line smear/abuse campaigns.
  
  I would, of course, provide them with all details about the on-line abuse if the matter ever arose.
  
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  February 23, 2020 3:46pm
  - Jack5
    
    Steady, Maggy. Don’t want to spark dawn raids on Auckland’s Stephiestani ghetto. ?
    
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    February 23, 2020 4:27pm
Paulus

I thought there was also to be an announcement from Minister Tubby that she had finalised all the Insurance Claims from the two Earthquakes in Christchurch as she promised a couple of years ago.
Why the delay ?
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February 23, 2020 1:35pm
Jack5

As a long-time Christchurch citizen and ratepayer, I say Mayor Dalziel’s apology for the earthquake is attention-seeking bullshit.

The city did not cause the quake, and it’s nonsense to say all quake-prone buildings could have been detected, and fixed for pulled down before the quake.

Dalziel is just following the Woke apology path blazed by the New Zealand Government with tens of apologies for actions or lack of actions by long-forgotten previous governments. Cringing, self-degrading apologies forced on victims of Stalinism and Maoism are other examples. Sorry, sorry, sorry crap seems to be a Leftist thing.

My apology on behalf of Christchurch is for the city having such a dim-witted Socialist, ratepayer-plundering mayor.
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February 23, 2020 1:48pm
- Nickc2
  
  Jack, whilst I don’t have anything to do with Christchurch, surely the ratepayers would have known before voting for her that she went there complete with baggage attached. In other words, she was shafted sideways out of difficulty.
  Get yourself a new mayor. I think there is still enough legal baggage attached to her so you won’t have to wait until the next Local election.
  
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  February 23, 2020 2:29pm
  - peterwn
    
    There are lots of people who blindly vote Labour because their grandparents did because they thought Labour did a wonderful job of lifting NZ out of the Depression.
    
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    February 23, 2020 6:55pm
rightoverlabour

I have paying taxes, but these guys sure kow how to play the system..

https://electroverse.net/dodging-tax-and-playing-god/
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February 23, 2020 6:07pm
Tall Man

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/entertainment/mediaworks-criticised-over-report-hannah-tamaki-to-join-dancing-with-the-stars/

I can’t think of anything worse than living in a country where people are permitted to have differing opinions and have the opportunity to make a fool of themselves on National television.

It’s almost as if some people actually think they have the right to think differently than other people and then express that view.

The sooner angry andy’s ” thought controlling” and “speech modification” legislation is enacted the better.

Until that happens I will no longer risk being “offended” by watching any television show produced within New Zealand, no matter how trashy and pathetic is it.

Anyone know where young Maggie has gone … thinking of “high quality” programming ………
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