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Ruahine

Brexit Day Today.
Just a reminder as to why the British people voted as they did to leave the EU.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRuWoLKhGGQ
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February 1, 2020 8:04am
- Thought Criminal
  
  Hear hear. Great summary.
  
  Good riddance to the EU and the remain campaign in general.
  
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  February 1, 2020 9:41am
Hugh Pavletich

CORONAVIRUS – SINGAPORE …

Wuhan coronavirus: Singapore to widen travel restrictions to all new visitors who recently travelled to mainland China … Jalelah Abu Baker … Channel News Asia

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/wuhan-virus-travel-restrictions-all-visitors-china-12374324

Singapore closes borders to all Chinese travellers to stem spread of coronavirus … Koh Xinghui … South China Morning Post

https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/health-environment/article/3048441/singapore-closes-borders-all-chinese-travellers-stem
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February 1, 2020 8:06am
- Random T Person
  
  Oh shit Hugh has another hobby horse.
  
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  February 1, 2020 9:15am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  ‘There’s no doubt’: Top US infectious disease doctor says Wuhan coronavirus can spread even when people have no symptoms … CNN health
  
  https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/31/health/coronavirus-asymptomatic-spread-study/index.html
  
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  February 1, 2020 9:16am
  - softail 1450
    
    Hugh, most viruses are spread by people with no symptoms aren’t they ?
    
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    February 1, 2020 12:10pm
- SGA
  
  errr… Hugh, we know that there is a thing called coronavirus. It’s all over the news (US will be closing its borders to all foreign travelers who have recently been to China). It’s hard to miss it. What’s your point?
  
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  February 1, 2020 10:32am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Hugh’s point is that he loves to see his name up on a screen.
    
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    February 1, 2020 10:39am
  - JibberJabber
    
    The point is, no one visits Hughs` lonely blog.
    
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    February 1, 2020 11:08am
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Virus Shock Crashes Baltic Dry, Sparks China Hard-Landing Fears … Zerohedge
      
      https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/virus-shock-crashes-baltic-dry-global-recession-fears-surge
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      Coronavirus and the world economy … GNS Economics Finland
      
      h/t https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/
      
      https://gnseconomics.com/en_US/2020/01/30/coronavirus-and-the-world-economy/
      
      The outbreak of the coronavirus epidemic in China has shaken the global asset markets—and with good reason. The coronavirus has the potential of being the ‘trigger’ which will push the world into a global depression.
      
      Here, we briefly explain why. … read more via hyperlink above …
      
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      February 1, 2020 5:54pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        God, the silly old bastard’s still at it.
        
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        February 1, 2020 7:30pm
      - JibberJabber
        
        LoL, still not visiting…..
        
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        February 2, 2020 7:05am
- Aunty
  
  To put the threat of the cornovirus into perspective, let’s say we lost complete control of it and it was spreading at will throughout the country here in New Zealand and there was nothing we could do about it. It had just overwhelmed our health system. At the current reported mortality rate of around 2.5-3% that would mean that some where between 125,000 to 150,000 New Zealanders would die from it over the next 6 months or so. Those who would develop a more serious illness requiring medical input would number around 1 million, and those becoming very ill and developing pneumonia requiring hospital treatment could number up to 750,000. Obviously our health system could not cope with that.
  
  None of that is going to happen of course because we will be putting people into isolation and quarantine, doing contact traces etc., all good stuff that is proven to work and that limits the spread of pandemics long before they get out of control. This approach might be undermined somewhat however as this virus can be spread by asymptomatic individuals. This might help explain why more people have had this infection than the numbers that acquired the more deadly SARS virus 20 years ago – although no one knows how many people in China got SARS back then.
  
  Nevertheless if the situation did become more serious here, people would panic, they would stop going to work, shopping, kids going to school, going out, eating at restaurants, etc so the economic disruption to us all would be severe as it is in Hubei and increasingly in other parts of China where they are trying to shut the barn door after a couple of horses have already bolted.
  
  So while there is no need to panic, we do need to take appropriate measures now to prevent a worse case scenario from happening, which is clearly what the Singaporeans, Russians, Koreans and others are doing.
  
  If you were told to go home and self-quarantine for two weeks, who is going to pay for that? Do you take annual leave, sick leave or leave without pay? What happens if that happens to you more than once?
  
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  February 1, 2020 10:39am
JibberJabber

Julia Hartley-Brewer,
https://twitter.com/addicted2newz/status/1223272099726471174
Why can`t NZ have media commenters like this?
https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1223195763708170240
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February 1, 2020 8:06am
tedbear

Aussies might prefer to stay in Wuhan and take their chances.
https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/government-charge-australians-wuhan-1-053401986.html
Sydney flight centre has $389 cheapest one way with flight time 36 hours.
Oz govt charging each passenger $1000 to destination unknown but likely to eventually be Christmas Island Detention Centre for as yet unspecified time.
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February 1, 2020 8:08am
- cmm
  
  What a bloody whingefest!
  
  The point is not to give these Aussies a wonderful 5 star holiday, but rather to get them out in a way that does not compromise too many other people.
  
  This is not an easy thing to achieve and people will have to put up with sub-palatial surroundings. From what I have seen of various Wuhan videos, the apartments there are nothing to shout about and the Christmas Islands facilities will be a step up.
  
  Tropical Islands in summer – let the nippers run wild. Just write it off as a camping trip.
  
  The Poms are flying their mob into an RAF base and quarantining them there: nobody in, nobody out. It might be on mainland Blighty, but the conditions won’t be much better.
  
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  February 1, 2020 8:38am
  - tf78
    
    They should call it Christmas Holiday Island – everyone would be happy.
    
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    February 1, 2020 8:54am
  - Sacha
    
    Kim Hill had an excellent interview with a British virologist this morning.
    In simple layman’s terms he explained the hows and whys of the spread of the virus, and what is being done to control it, given that it is ‘new’. The quarantine is part of the effort to learn. It is known that the incubation period is 11 days, so a quarantine period of 14 days is ‘safe’.
    He explained why some people get slightly ill, and others get REALLY sick – it’s your immune system at work.
    He explained why masks are useless – and why you can get infected from the virus getting in your eye.
    Well worth a listen if you can find it on National Radio.
    
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    February 1, 2020 10:20am
    - cmm
      
      The main thing about the 14 day quarantine is that it keeps these people isolated and gives them more time to craft the proper reaction.
      
      If, in 10 days, they find that actually they need to extend the quarantine period to 2 months, or need to change some treatment, then they have the people in hand.
      
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      February 1, 2020 11:13am
Yvette

Time to change the national anthem? PM weighs in

“It suddenly occurred to me,” she [Hobsonville woman Fiona Downes] wrote, “that a marvellous memorial gesture at the time of commemorating the event next March would be to announce that the second verse would be used henceforth, following the Māori first verse, as our national anthem, instead of the old first verse”.
– https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12304387

Second verse, currently –

Men of every creed and race,
Gather here before Thy face,
Asking Thee to bless this place,
God defend our free land.
From dissension, envy, hate,
And corruption guard our state,
Make our country good and great,
God defend New Zealand.
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February 1, 2020 8:16am
- John Warren
  
  When did the maori become the official first verse?
  
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  February 1, 2020 8:28am
- cmm
  
  “Men of every creed and race,
  Gather here before Thy face,
  Asking Thee to bless this place,
  God defend our free land.”
  
  Well the first line is certainly Islamic friendly since it excludes women, but can we have a bit more Allah and a bit less Thy and God?
  
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  February 1, 2020 8:41am
  - Stephieboy2
    
    cmm,
    
    “From dissension, envy, hate,”
    
    Notte ” hate” like apartheid” ( hate)
    
    Yes?
    
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    February 1, 2020 10:06am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Another twat that thinks apartheid means “apart hate” It actually means
      
      “Apartheid is an Afrikaans[25] word meaning “separateness”, or “the state of being apart”, literally “apart-hood” (from Afrikaans “-heid”).[26][27] Its first recorded use was in 1929.[15]”
      
      Nothing to do with “Hate”. A bit like certain areas in New Zealand that certain people can’t go to because they are not part of certain groups.
      
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      February 1, 2020 10:50am
    - cmm
      
      Ummmm, not sure why you brain jumps from a discussion of Islamism in the NZ anthem to apartheid. You really have an “interesting” brain.
      
      If I had to place a bet I’d say you are bi-polar (aka manic depressive). Going off on erratic tangents is one of the major symptoms.
      
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      February 1, 2020 11:16am
    - alloytoo
      
      Dunning Kruger is strong in this one.
      
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      February 1, 2020 11:29am
      - cmm
        
        Dunning and Kruger would have said bugger it and headed off a beer.
        
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        February 1, 2020 12:56pm
    - softail 1450
      
      Septicboy,a slight whiff of the farmyard as he walks by.
      
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      February 1, 2020 12:13pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  The Herald poll is currently 73% in favour of the status quo. I hope Jacinda Ardern pushes ahead with this, and alienates another large chunk of middle New Zealand.
  
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  February 1, 2020 8:46am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    They’ll work on it – time to enlist the help of the Green Party of Aotearoa/New Zealand to pursue another noble cause.
    
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    February 1, 2020 8:58am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Perhaps the PM’s good mate Tom Scott is already composing some new lyrics:
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=12289507
      
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      February 1, 2020 9:37am
      - Suze Wainwright
        
        Actually what would be mildly amusing is enabling a committee of lefty writers and poets, charged with the task of creating lyrics for the new national song of aotearoa.
        
        Then watching them catfight each other over which word and cause was the most ‘progressive’ to include in the new song would be worth an admission fee…
        
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        February 1, 2020 9:52am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Just sing the word ‘woke’ over and over to our national durge.
        
        Something like this (The anthem tune going in your head)
        
        Woke of woke woke woke woke, woke woke woke wokkkke,
        Woke woke woke triple star, woke woke woke woke, . . .
        
        You get the drift, who could be offended except those who are professional offence takers meaning everyone left of Sean Plunket.
        
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        February 1, 2020 5:17pm
  - Jack5
    
    The woman who wrote to Jacinderella says in support of the anthem change she seeks:
    
    “It’s all about what people come to New Zealand for and value living here for: to escape corruption, envy and hate.”
    
    They came for: No corruption? No envy? No hate?
    
    Bullshit, most come for a Western standard of living and a Western way of life, and then some will spend the rest of their life here slagging off the West and Westerners.
    
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    February 1, 2020 9:29am
  - Hollyfield
    
    I believe if the flag had been modernised, the National Anthem would have been the logical next step. Labour are already hypocrites campaigning against the flag change when it was one of their policies, so if they try to change the Anthem now they will be even worse. So yeah, they probably will go ahead with it.
    
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    February 1, 2020 9:38am
  - adamsmith1922
    
    Agree, but Ardern is another woke left wing pseud, who thinks gestures beat substance
    
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    February 1, 2020 9:39am
- Sofia
  
  As Cmm indicates, the irony in this is that the Muslim Call to Prayer says, ”Come to prayer. Come to salvation. Allah is most great. There is no God but Allah”
  So the hope that the second verse would emphasise inclusiveness is eliminated by the most central principle of Islam itself, it does not say “Allah defend New Zealand”.
  
  In fact, how can a follower of Islam sing the New Zealand National Anthem without offending their own belief, as someone like Brian Tamaki would find it difficult if the wording were changed to actually be “Allah defend New Zealand”.
  
  I see it already proposed “Men” should change to “Those” (or “We”) but you can’t really remove “God” (twice) because the whole verse, as a request to ‘God, would become meaningless.
  
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  February 1, 2020 8:55am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    There is no conflict: Christians and Muslims worship the same (imaginary) god.
    
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    February 1, 2020 10:16am
    - Yvette
      
      mikenmildagain
      Comparing Allah of the Quran and Yahweh of the Bible, it should be apparent that they could not be referring to the same God. Either the Muslim Allah is the true God or the Christian Yahweh is the true God, or neither is true – this last case seeming to be your position
      
      One thing should be sure – the God of Muhammad cannot be the Father of Jesus.
      Ask Brian.
      
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      February 1, 2020 10:34am
      - Right of way is Way of Right
        
        Sorry Yvette, but as any religious scholar will confirm, Christianity, Judaism and Islam are defined as Abrahamic religions, in that they are all removed from the God of Abraham, or Ibrahim. The three religions literally worship the same deity. That they choose to do so in different ways is what causes issues.
        
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        February 1, 2020 2:35pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        “… it should be apparent that they could not be referring to the same God”
        
        Same goes for the first and 2nd testament, they were not the same God either.
        
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        February 1, 2020 4:37pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      But are Muslims pakeha?
      
      If you look at the 2nd verse of the Maori version of our National anthem, you will see it gives emphasis to red skins, white skins, Maori and Pakeha….
      
      . Ōna mano tāngata
      Kiri whero, kiri mā,
      Iwi Māori, Pākehā,
      Rūpeke katoa,
      
      Some groups of people (Asian, Blacks, P.Is) might feel left out.
      
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      February 1, 2020 10:39am
      - SGA
        
        But are Muslims pakeha?
        
        Islam is a religion, not a “race”.
        
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        February 1, 2020 10:43am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Islam is a religion, not a “race”.
        
        I am well aware of that…
        
        I’m pointing out that Maori version of our National Anthem could be deemed offensive
        as it specifically refers to people by skin colour, and then only…white skin (kiri ma), red skin (kiri whero)
        and gives emphasis to two groups of people … Maori and Pakeha.
        
        I reckon Brown citizens (non Maori) and black citizens of NZ could feel excluded.
        
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        February 1, 2020 12:49pm
      - SGA
        
        Ok. tbh, I was surprised you seemed to be getting “race” and religion mixed up that way.
        
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        February 1, 2020 1:00pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      @mikeenmildagain
      
      I’m not arguing for any religion, however since you believe their gods are imaginary, and you consistently try and discredit the ideas of others, please give me your thoughts on how the universe was created.
      
      Are we just the virtual creation in a Matrix game being played by some pudgy kid with fat fingers?
      
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      February 1, 2020 4:34pm
- curry4me
  
  Thankfully there isn’t time for a new woke version. The COL couldn’t change a light bulb in the time available.
  
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  February 1, 2020 9:13am
  - tf78
    
    They changed the gas and gun rules pretty hastily.
    
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    February 1, 2020 9:35am
    - curry4me
      
      Let’s hope they revert to form, and change noting.
      
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      February 1, 2020 4:09pm
  - Sacha
    
    This is just another diversion tactic, to distract the hoi polloi from serious matters. Watch the talk-backs dive in.
    Don’t give it the time of day.
    
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    February 1, 2020 10:25am
    - JackRabbit
      
      Yep. they keep the cocktail party guests talking about what song they should sing, all the while making off with the all the kitchen silverware.
      
      When Joyce said back in 2017 that there would be an $11.7 Billion hole he was so wrong. Between the spend up, slush funds, borrowing, and SOE borrowing off the books, I would be surprised if it was less than $40+ Billion. And when the next crash comes, and interest rates snap back up, and future things this figure will rise to $60 – 70 Billion or more over the next decade.
      
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      February 1, 2020 4:47pm
- BananaLlama
  
  One would hope Labour make this an election issue instead of the practical things that people voted for like actually building houses and slowing immigration.
  
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  February 1, 2020 9:32am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Its good Labour hasn’t built any houses, they shouldn’t be in business in the first place. Its a massive conflict of interest.
    
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    February 1, 2020 4:41pm
Simon

Happy Brexit Day. The UK economy will take off and the people will be content. In a few years no one will understand all the fuss.
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February 1, 2020 8:19am
- cmm
  
  ” In a few years no one will understand all the fuss.”
  
  In a few years nobody will admit that they voted “remain”.
  
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  February 1, 2020 8:31am
  - otago-man
    
    bit like MMP here, no-one admits to voting for it (that has half a brain or more)
    
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    February 1, 2020 8:43am
  - curry4me
    
    remoan.
    
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    February 1, 2020 9:14am
  - Random T Person
    
    Heh. Just like the referendum in South Africa!
    
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    February 1, 2020 9:16am
  - Thought Criminal
    
    We know who they are.
    
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    February 1, 2020 9:44am
JibberJabber

?https://twitter.com/Mongotrucker/status/1222884190980472834
The Dictatorial Tyrants don`t like it up `em!
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February 1, 2020 8:22am
Scott

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/01/christchurch-shootings-how-the-muslim-community-is-trying-to-heal.amp.html

This report was also on prime news Friday. Basically it highlights everything from a Muslim point of view and claims without evidence that there is an increase in islamophobia. It also says hijabs are a barrier to employment.

The gist of it is that we NZers have to change to suit the incoming Muslims.

Here’s my response. Why should we change? Shouldn’t people who come here be expected to assimilate to our ways, not us to there’s?
In Muslims countries is there any example where they change their ways to suit migrants from the west?

Why does our western liberal elites feel that we should change everything to suit Muslims? Isn’t there a sound reason to feel wary of Muslims given the thousands of Muslim terrorist attacks all around the world? Isn’t the hijab a source of oppression that women in Iran are trying to throw off? Why should modern feminists support it?

Finally can’t we feel proud of our country and defend our ways and not throw everything over because of the actions of one evil Australian?
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February 1, 2020 8:31am
- Stephieboy2
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Scott, always there to find a way to smear and attack a minority who have gone through a major traumatic event!.
  
  You most feel a bit holier than thou?
  
  “Finally can’t we feel proud of our country and defend our ways..”
  
  Who says you can’t and what does ” defend our ways” mean exactly ?
  
  Hot gospel?
  
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  February 1, 2020 8:44am
  - Swifty
    
    You are a stinking, steaming hypocrite of the first order.
    
    Day after day and for years on KB you have ridiculed, scorned, labelled, mocked, and heaped derision on people you disagree with or people who’s views or beliefs you find repugnant.
    
    Now along comes Scott who merely asks some questions about our society and the way we addressing a number of topical issues, and what is your response? You say he is “smearing and attacking a minority”!
    
    For merely asking some questions!
    
    This is why you are almost universally loathed on here.
    
    As a supposed Christian you may wish to reflect on this: “Hypocrite! First get rid of the log in your own eye; then you will see well enough to deal with the speck in your friend’s eye.”
    
    Scumbag.
    
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    February 1, 2020 9:34am
    - JackRabbit
      
      Stephieboy2 would have defended Hitler in his early days. Stephieboy2 has yet to work out the difference between values that are presented by key figures and groups in the media, who tell the public what they want to hear, and values that those key figures and groups actually hold, based on their thinking, attitude and actions that can be observed.
      
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      February 1, 2020 9:56am
      - Stephieboy2
        
        Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
        JackRabbit, whatever .
        
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        February 1, 2020 10:18am
      - Swifty
        
        I’m sure he thinks he’s being virtuous, playing up to his own image as a white knight, coming on here and ‘defending’ other people or groups – while simultaneously attacking, smearing, labelling, stereotyping and deriding others.
        
        The very behaviour he calls out in others.
        
        He suffers from a major character malfunction and which he just does not see in himself.
        
        He’ll be along shortly to say ‘whatever’.
        
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        February 1, 2020 10:25am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        @ stephieboy – Whatever! means you have no logical or sensible rebuttal…. Now, go away…
        
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        February 1, 2020 11:02am
      - Swifty
        
        Told you!
        
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        February 1, 2020 5:58pm
- cmm
  
  What’s all this crap about “communities”?
  
  Christchurch isn’t like New York where there are Polish neighborurhoods, black neighbourhoods etc. We all live intermingled.
  
  Sure, there is an Afghani Cultural Centre a block away from here and there are churches etc, but we really do not live in “communities” and thankfully so.
  
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  February 1, 2020 8:52am
  - MrTips
    
    I don’t know about you, but there is no way I’m taking my lilly white ass down Oliviers Rd Or Taranui Place at any time of day. And CHC does have Eastside vs Westside mentality ( except for Sumner who are largely Subaru/Jeep driving, Rodd & Gunn wearing wannabee wankers).
    
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    February 1, 2020 9:40am
    - JackRabbit
      
      “… my lilly white ass…”
      
      Maybe it needs more sun tanning. There’s a nice beach at Sumner. 😉
      
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      February 1, 2020 9:59am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Isn’t there an East / West divide in Christchurch?
    
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    February 1, 2020 9:44am
    - JackRabbit
      
      There is a divide in every community in the world, and its called human nature, associating and mingling with those you love and feel most comfortable spending time with.
      
      It affects who we marry, what beer we drink, what football club we chose, where we go for holidays, what school we send our children to, the type of car we drive, what church you attend.
      
      It is called free choice.
      
      “but she doesn’t drink Speights bud.”
      
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      February 1, 2020 10:27am
  - lifesgood
    
    Oh, I’m not so sure…go and have a look at Mt Roskill, cmm. You would not believe you were in NZ.
    
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    February 1, 2020 9:51am
    - JackRabbit
      
      Watch Parliament time, especially the Labour party, and you would not believe you are on planet earth.
      
      Watch the lies roll off Jacinda’s tongue and you might believe she emerged from the “V” Mothership.
      
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      February 1, 2020 12:42pm
    - cmm
      
      I haven’t been out of SI since 2008 and then only to go through the airport. Yup, looked a bit different then and I supposed it has moved on a tad since then.
      
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      February 1, 2020 1:01pm
- Komata
  
  Scott@0831
  
  Observation indicates that when the Muslim population of a country exceeds 2%, they start throwing their weight around. I believe we are close to reaching that percentage, and this is but one of the consequences. There is going to be a lot lot more coming if other countries experiences are to be believed, and as more Maori gang members in the jails are (deluberately) prosletised, expect violence to become more commonplace.
  
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  February 1, 2020 8:58am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    According to the 2018 Stats Muslims make up 1.3% of our Population…
    
    Similar in size to our Buddhist Population (1.1%), but half the size of our Hindu Population.
    
    The fastest growing religion in NZ is Sikhism (0.9%).
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_New_Zealand
    
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    February 1, 2020 9:28am
    - tf78
      
      The Sikhs I’ve met seem to be good people. Having a dog helps you know who’s who.
      
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      February 1, 2020 9:36am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        If I was forced to become religious (as in some Muslim countries), I would join the Sikhs.
        
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        February 1, 2020 9:47am
      - JackRabbit
        
        @Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Or the Sufis
        
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        February 1, 2020 10:02am
      - Jack5
        
        If you’re a Sikh convert are you allowed to carry the cool dagger without being shot or tasered by the police?
        
        Of course you would have to wear the Sikh turban so the police would know you are okay.
        
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        February 1, 2020 10:38am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        If you have been initiated/(baptised) into Sikhism you must carry (wear) a kirpan.
        
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        February 1, 2020 2:23pm
- Ruawai
  
  I have noticed Muslim leaders complaining about the way our justice system works, it is an existing system that they can’t expect to change. If they are us then they should conform with our system.
  
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  February 1, 2020 9:00am
  - Ruahine
    
    Some of the Muslim community think that beheading the offender or even an accused in the answer. Perhaps if that is a bit harsh a good whipping sorts things out.
    
    [Warning brutal graphic content – mod]
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBiVGm5tIRI
    
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    February 1, 2020 9:28am
    - Swifty
      
      How dare you.
      
      How dare you judge other cultures.
      
      You must learn to celebrate other cultures and which in all cases are superior to our own.
      
      Check your privilege.
      
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      February 1, 2020 9:49am
    - Ruahine
      
      I can remember Ardern saying ‘they’ are us. Well Ms Ardern you may think ‘they’ are us.
      I certainly do not.
      
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      February 1, 2020 9:53am
      - Stephieboy2
        
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        Ruhaine, but they are “us” Fact!
        
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        February 1, 2020 10:15am
      - Hollyfield
        
        If she wanted to promote inclusiveness she should have used a phrase such as “we are one” or “we are united”.
        Choosing to say”they are us” reinforces that they are separate to us.
        
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        February 1, 2020 10:44am
      - JackRabbit
        
        She doesn’t mean what she says, it is all for effect. But in a sense, there is a tinge of truth to it. Part of Jacinda’s immature personality is stuck, probably in some unconscious mental collective state, which is common to socialist idealists. Battered about by an overwhelming sea of eclectic emotional ideas.
        
        Growing up involves becoming an individual which requires having conscious principles and conscious reasoned thinking. Jacinda has not grown up.
        
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        February 1, 2020 12:03pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        “they are us”.
        
        She says this she can’t bring herself to say what she actually means. “They will be assimilated, and become one of us.”
        
        “We are one. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.”
        
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        February 1, 2020 1:00pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      “…beheading the offender…”
      
      Same as the Tahitian Maori, except decided by the Chief, and in some cases as in battle, eaten raw.
      
      I wonder what other cultures that actually know about the history of NZ, think of NZ trying to embrace and enforce a culture whose roots are in cannibalism, while denying it’s dark past?
      
      Is sharia law that different to that practiced by Tahitian Moari?
      
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      February 1, 2020 10:09am
      - Stephieboy2
        
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        Maori Culture is not rooted in Canibalism! No more than British culture is rooted in Druid Celtic human sacrifice practices!
        
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        February 1, 2020 10:21am
      - JackRabbit
        
        @Stephieboy2
        
        To the Tahitian Maori, eating their opponent was part of victory, and eating the flesh of a warrior was rooted in the idea that eating what was strong made you stronger. Eating terrified flesh full of Adrenalin had an affect on the eater, tended to make them more “courageous”.
        
        Why is why to civilised cultures, beef tastes better if the cow was not scared shitless before killing it. Less Adrenalin. They are looking for a good experience, not preparing for another massacre.
        
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        February 1, 2020 10:35am
      - JackRabbit
        
        @StephieBoy2
        
        The world is not the way you perceive it to be.
        
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        February 1, 2020 10:46am
      - GoVege
        
        Some very ignorant insensitive people still practise this principle today.
        They torture dogs with blowtorches before cooking and eating them because their deluded brains think it makes the meat tastier.
        Probably going on as we blog….
        
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        February 1, 2020 2:00pm
    - mark15
      
      Thanks for the warning,mod!
      
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      February 1, 2020 11:35am
  - Jack5
    
    Do the reporters ever pin them down on whether they want sharia law as a parallel legal code in New Zealand?
    
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    February 1, 2020 9:31am
    - Stephieboy2
      
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      Jack5 , why don’t you go out and do your own informal survey and report back to us?
      
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      February 1, 2020 10:16am
      - JackRabbit
        
        Stephieboy2
        
        Jack5 is asking why reporters don’t ask for clarity.
        Its a valid point. Any informal survey would have to be why said reporters don’t ask the hard questions, as that is more relevant – why reporters are not actually doing there jobs.
        
        But alas, I fear the real answer is probably that they are scared of rocking the boat and losing their jobs, because asking the right questions will result in them being attacked as being racist.
        
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        February 1, 2020 11:29am
      - Jack5
        
        You don’t have to worry, Stephie, there’ll be no compulsory sharia, and the malls will never be off-limits.
        
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        February 1, 2020 11:31am
      - Swifty
        
        Exactly JackRabbit.
        
        There are some questions that are not being asked nor answered in NZ because of fear.
        
        If you are an employee, in a public role, work for the government or local authorities or rely on customers for your living you keep your trap shut.
        
        Saying the wrong thing, asking the wrong question or raising the wrong issue can mean you’re out of a job and/or life is wrecked.
        
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        February 1, 2020 11:58am
    - Swifty
      
      A good question Jack5.
      
      To help inform that issue – let’s look at what is happening elsewhere in the world shall we?
      
      What for example if happening in the UK? A good place to start I would have thought as we in NZ consistently and invariably follow what happens there.
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Nos1V9Rf1U
      
      In the UK all of the significant Islamic councils, masjids, clerics and federations ALL want Islamic law to be cemented in as a feature of UK law. Some go further in calling for the sharia to replace UK law.
      
      Anyone who thinks we in NZ will buck this trend; that we will be somehow immune from this call emerging in our society will unfortunately have the evidence of history against them.
      
      I’d go further too. I think the chances that Imams in NZ mosques currently tell their congregations that NZ law is superior to Islamic law and should be unsullied or untarnished by the sharia is NONE. NIL. ZERO.
      
      Only the utterly deluded would believe anything other than Imams in NZ will be pushing the superiority of sharia at every opportunity to anyone who will listen.
      
      It’s their fucking bread and butter after all.
      
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      February 1, 2020 11:16am
  - igm
    
    Muslims evidently now expect to be included in our National Anthem . . . they have had too much already and enough is enough!
    
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    February 1, 2020 9:34am
    - Sofia
      
      igm, I suspect you may have lost something in translation, unless of course you can give a link or reference – otherwise it appears to be no more than non-Muslim musing and Ardern’s comments.
      
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      February 1, 2020 10:10am
  - Michael NZ
    
    But, they aren’t us and that’s going to be the problem 2nd and 3rd generation….
    
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    February 1, 2020 9:43am
    - Stephieboy2
      
      MichaelNZ , rubbish!
      
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      February 1, 2020 10:22am
  - Stephieboy2
    
    “I have noticed Muslim leaders complaining about the way our justice system works,.”
    
    ???
    
    Which ones precisely?
    
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    February 1, 2020 10:14am
    - rangitoto
      
      SB. When you are at your mosque, you are supposed to be listening to what your Imam is saying. Not dreaming about St Lukes.
      
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      February 1, 2020 10:43am
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      One recent example:
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12301687
      
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      February 1, 2020 11:58am
      - Ruawai
        
        And when Tarrant was arrested they were complaining that the case would not be heard until 2020.
        
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        February 1, 2020 1:23pm
  - tf78
    
    Or just go away back to where they came from.
    
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    February 1, 2020 7:29pm
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  While his actions were extreme, you cannot write off Tarrant as ‘evil’ just to make yourself feel better about the situation. He knew exactly what he was doing and the reasons for doing it. As unpleasant as these events were, he has shown us what our future will resemble – escalating inter-group conflict, due to not maintaining a mostly homogeneous (and so cohesive) society. Unless of course we as a nation wake up very, very quickly.
  
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  February 1, 2020 9:31am
- MCos
  
  “Why should we change? Shouldn’t people who come here be expected to assimilate to our ways, not us to there’s?
  In Muslims countries is there any example where they change their ways to suit migrants from the west?”
  So what you’re saying is that if we go to some other country we should assimilate to their ways.
  Well, good luck with that.
  I worked in Jakarta for a couple of months. The country with the most Muslims in the world. It was just like our office in Wellington except I was the only foreigner. None of the women wore hijabs. I asked one of them why not, expecting to be told that nobody obliged her to. No. She didn’t consider herself devout enough.
  Sometimes the more you know, the less you know.
  
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  February 1, 2020 9:41am
  - Jack5
    
    But, MCos, you didn’t expect the Indonesians to change to accommodate you, and there’s a big difference from going to a country to work temporarily and going there to live permanently.
    
    Assimilation is an alternative policy to multiculturism, and was long aspired to by the United States, with emphasis on flags and pledges of allegiance and the “American way”.
    
    China practises assimilation in a much more brutal way, as in Tibet and now Sinkiang, to the extent even of forced intermarriage. China also did enforced this in Outer Mongolia, where ethnic Mongolians are now a minority.
    
    Some of us would prefer an American-style assimilation policy for New Zealand rather than multiculturism, which weakens society’s bonds. Robert D. Putnam spelled this out in his well known book, “Bowling Alone”.
    
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    February 1, 2020 11:24am
    - JackRabbit
      
      Assimilation of anything different is Ok if it is voluntary and not forced, is more logical, rational, civilised, right, workable and good.
      
      Sharia law is none of these.
      
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      February 1, 2020 11:54am
    - tf78
      
      Wasn’t it a matter of “DO” or “DIE” for the Indonesian’s.
      
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      February 1, 2020 7:32pm
  - cmm
    
    Assimilation falls over when:
    A) The successful culture (ie. the one that makes the nice place the shitholistanis go to), sacrifices its successful nature to convert itslef more into a shitholistan.
    B) The incoming people are of no benefit to the existing people.
    C)Welfare tilts the playingfield so that the successful people are forced to subsidise the shitholistanis.
    
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    February 1, 2020 1:07pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      D) The successful people go somewhere else and the Shitholistanis end up Shitholistanis creek without a paddle and revert to a collective tribal subsistence level where every Shitholistian abuses every other Shitholistian. Dog eat Dog, or Shitholistian eats Shitholistian.
      
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      February 1, 2020 1:30pm
  - Tall Man
    
    I have a mate married to an Indonesian muslim here in NZ. She’s been here for years and while she is a practicing muslim she did not wear a hijab nor did she support ardern for doing that.
    
    She says that the change in Indonesia is being pushed onto them by the Saudis who build the mosques and install the mullah they want who is generally much more conservative than the locals.
    
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    February 1, 2020 2:15pm
Tony Stuart

Was last night’s T20 at Sky Stadium the first ever T20 international to be played over two months? Sadly, the Black Caps are so down on confidence that they keep finding new ways to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

And what a trooper Ross Taylor is. He’ll play his 100th T20 international at Bay Oval tomorrow, then his 100th test at the Basin Reserve from 21st February making him the first player in the history of cricket to play 100 matches in all three formats of the game. Not only is he one of New Zealand’s finest cricketers, but he is one of the nicest blokes you could want to meet. I’ll certainly be there on the first day of the test to cheer him on.
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February 1, 2020 8:35am
- Gravelroad
  
  The cricket fans round here are starting to get a bit suspicious about the frequency of these convenient “super overs”. The words “sub continent” and “betting syndicates” spring to mind.
  Not saying Black Caps would be involved in anything illegal of this nature – don’t think they would be capable of pulling it off anyway………..although ..
  
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  February 1, 2020 9:15am
Paulus

Air NZ want $500 per passenger to fly from Wuhan to presumably Auckland.
Does this include flying an empty plane with two crews as well.
Where is our Wellness ?
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February 1, 2020 8:38am
- Stephieboy2
  
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  Paulus, rather pitiful and nonsensical! Try again
  
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  February 1, 2020 8:47am
- Komata
  
  Paulus@0838
  
  Probably negotiating with the wimmens mags for pics to show off her ‘Best side’.
  
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  February 1, 2020 9:01am
  - JackRabbit
    
    And delayed while they find a suitable face mask to take her picture in.
    
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    February 1, 2020 10:12am
    - cmm
      
      Pity you really need goggles too…
      
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      February 1, 2020 1:08pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        Maybe a brown paper bag.
        
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        February 1, 2020 4:51pm
geoff3012

Anybody else hear Sean Plunket yesterday afternoon blurt the name of one of the “donation” accused?

Thought names suppressed and haven’t seen mention of it anywhere else…..bloody funny if true
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February 1, 2020 8:46am
- tui47
  
  Yes, most likely all a set up to incriminate Bridges. The big difficulty here is that the names are suppressed and it may be after the election before details emerge. If Bridges is innocent then the details need to be out in the public domain as it will benefit National if the whole set up is revealed. I think this is ‘dirty politics’ that has been used against Bridges.
  
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  February 1, 2020 9:22am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Both Bridges and National Party secretary Greg Hamilton have made public statements that there are no charges against Bridges or the party, and that National has effectively been cleared of wrongdoing.
    
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    February 1, 2020 9:30am
    - Prince
      
      [mod – deleted. Do NOT breach name suppression here. Consider this a first and final warning]
      
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      February 1, 2020 9:57am
      - Prince
        
        OK I wasn’t aware of the name suppression.
        [ Mod : nuff said then ]
        
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        February 1, 2020 12:11pm
- birdhaven
  
  It’s True.
  
  [But not to be repeated here – mods]
  
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  February 1, 2020 9:24am
- MrTips
  
  It’s weird. Everyone knows now who one of the charged are because of 24hrs stating it. Even one tweeter has left a name up. And because of that many people can connect dots.
  
  Name suppression in NZ really is archaic in application.
  
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  February 1, 2020 9:48am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    So , we can’t name the person. So that means we can’t talk about a whole bunch of things as people will connect the dots. Its bloody stupid, and its not like its protecting some kids from scrutiny. Maybe other blogs will be different….
    
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    February 1, 2020 11:11am
- Sacha
  
  Apparently name suppression was given after a hastily convened court hearing – after SP named one of the 4.
  I doubt if it was a surprise to anyone who gave the matter a moment’s thought.
  
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  February 1, 2020 10:35am
- rangitoto
  
  The suppression happened after the horse had bolted.
  
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  February 1, 2020 10:47am
Stephieboy2

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For those who might like to think the Aussie Bush fire crises is over think again ! The Aussie Bush fires continue unabated This time ACT facing a raging Bush fire crises with Canberra engulfed in smoke ,

Australia fires: State of emergency declared for Canberra region

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-51320333
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February 1, 2020 8:46am
Chuck Bird

I heard Sean Plunket on Radio Magic [Deleted – Mod]. Simon Bridges was being interviewed at the time. If there was a suppression order in place or there were concerns over defamation this would not have been said on air.

What concerns me is that this has not been repeated on TV or on Stuff or the Herald as it put Bridges and National in a good light.

[Mod – there are now court-ordered suppression orders in place until 25 February. Anyone who attempts to breach or circumvent them and expose DPF to risk can expect a holiday]
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February 1, 2020 8:47am
- cmm
  
  Remember the $38M PriNZess promised to RNZ? That has not been paid yet.
  
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  February 1, 2020 8:54am
  - Tall Man
    
    But … was it a “promise” made by ardern as a labour leader, a PTPM or just bullshit. Everything is just soooo confusing these days.
    
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    February 1, 2020 1:50pm
- cmm
  
  Oh what a laugh! How very, very, very, stupid our judicial system is.
  
  When this request was made the judge should have told the applicant to FO.
  
  How can it be in anyone’s best interests to suppress this info, particularly when it has been all over radio etc.
  
  Do the judges think they have time machines?
  
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  February 1, 2020 9:04am
- MCos
  
  If it comes to light that it is in the interests of some shadowy bunch of people that a political party, any political party, prospers in elections from their largesse I doubt the leader sees there’s much to be gained by discussing the situation on the radio.
  All he can do is deny any knowledge and refuse to enter into speculation and hope other parties get caught out too.
  
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  February 1, 2020 9:07am
- tf78
  
  Barry Soper said the same thing night before last when he was talking to Heather. Hasn’t been mentioned again since.
  
  [As has been stated, the courts issued a suppression order late yesterday afternoon, so ANY name mentioning now is illegal. – mods]
  
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  February 1, 2020 9:17am
- tui47
  
  Hopefully the suppression orders get lifted on 25 February as the names need to be out there given we have a general election in September.
  
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  February 1, 2020 9:24am
- Biscuit
  
  [Mod – there are now court-ordered suppression orders in place until 25 February. Anyone who attempts to breach or circumvent them and expose DPF to risk can expect a holiday]
  
  Ooh, a holiday!
  
  I hear Wuhan is lovely at this time of year!
  
  [Mod – DPF’s holidays are more like being sent to Coventry]
  
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  February 1, 2020 9:25am
  - fernglas
    
    If suppression orders have been made by the court I can find no record of them. I have doubts about whether any interim order, which it must be, can be made until the defendant has appeared in court. Orders can be made either by a Judge or Registrar, but the Criminal Procedure Act is clear that it is on first appearance.
    
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    February 1, 2020 10:24am
    - brett68
      
      So you reckon it’s bollocks?
      
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      February 1, 2020 11:00am
      - fernglas
        
        No idea.
        
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        February 1, 2020 11:42am
  - Biscuit
    
    Mod, I have BEEN to Coventry.
    
    Its best tourist attraction is the ‘YOU ARE NOW LEAVING COVENTRY’ road sign that you pass as you escape to Civilisation!
    
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    February 1, 2020 10:25am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      As have I. The Cathedral was interesting, and the pub my mate to us to for dinner was excellent, but there weren’t too many other redeeming creatures. I can see how the expression the mod used above arose!
      
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      February 1, 2020 10:42am
  - RalphT
    
    I would like my uptick to be shared by biscuit for his comment and the moderator for his/ her reply
    
    [Mod – we love upticks, even when shared ?]
    
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    February 1, 2020 10:27am
    - Biscuit
      
      Wow, we ARE being an agreeable lot today.
      
      If only Ralph and the anonymous Mod had been here twenty minutes ago I would have treated them both to a ‘Look but don’t dare touch’ partaking of a superb Eggs Benny brunch my partner (who WANTS something, I suspect!) made for me.
      
      Generous to a fault, me…
      
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      February 1, 2020 11:44am
- Jules99
  
  I’m very concerned to see this in election year – people are trying to spin it every which way. The claim is being made on Twitter that it’s corruption within National. Can’t wait to see actual evidence not guess work.
  
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  February 1, 2020 9:36am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    people are trying to spin it every which way.
    
    and that’s the beauty of spin….
    
    Most folks haven’t got the inclination to delve into evidence/facts…
    as long as we’ve all been primed with Monday’s message that Jacinda and Co will run a CLEAN campaign.
    
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    February 1, 2020 9:52am
    - JackRabbit
      
      When dealing with liars, you take what they say and invert it.
      
      “WE will run a CLEAN campaign.” translates into
      
      “We will do everything we can, ethical and unethical, to pile as much dirt on the opposition, and keep our side LOOKING squeaky clean. To do that we have installed giant size cupboards, and rubbish skips under the carpets.”
      
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      February 1, 2020 10:18am
    - niggly
      
      Sorry Maggy, count my fat-fingers downtick as an additional uptick!
      
      (Wonder if KB could use Disqus? As one can “correct” any downticks made in mistake as an uptick and vice-versa)!
      
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      February 1, 2020 11:36am
MCos

The Blues had the game in the bag at half time so I switched over to the cricket.
The Blackcaps had the game in the bag with a couple of overs to go so I switched off the TV.
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February 1, 2020 8:48am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Ye of little faith!
  
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  February 1, 2020 9:28am
- Tall Man
  
  Bugga……
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKY_OysWu3k
  
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  February 1, 2020 11:14am
- Biscuit
  
  MCos, if the Hurricanes are ahead late in their game with the Stormers tomorrow a.m., you are NOT to change channels!
  
  Ditto re Liverpool’s game with Southampton, although I suspect not even YOU could conjure up a Home loss THERE!
  
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  February 1, 2020 11:49am
- RW Capitalist
  
  So…it’s all your fault.
  I’m sending the guy’s with the pitchforks round, NOW.
  
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  February 1, 2020 12:50pm
Rodney Randall

Sponsor a kid in Nz only $45/month.
Jist heard the advertisment on ZB.

LETS DO THIS!
YEAR OF DELIVERY
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February 1, 2020 8:48am
- tf78
  
  My parents used to sponsor kids back in the 50’s – overseas kids. To have calls to sponsor KIWI kids is disgusting and an indictment on dear leader.
  
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  February 1, 2020 9:41am
- otago-man
  
  The reason I got into politics is to get rid of child poverdy, said the PTPM
  
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  February 1, 2020 10:23am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Given the amount of money she is spending on Slush funds, Pike river, heavility over inflated roading projects, Climate Change scams, overseas trips and her own salary, the best way to get rid of child poverty is for her to resign.
    
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    February 1, 2020 10:54am
  - tf78
    
    The reason I’m a voter is to get rid of the PTPM – lets stop the people suffring on the 19 September.
    
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    February 1, 2020 12:15pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      Well it is NZ Suffrage Day which gives Jacinda plenty of scope to be in the media promoting herself without incurring election advertising costs.
      
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      February 1, 2020 5:00pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    If she actually addressed the cause of poverty, she would lose her voter base.
    
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    February 1, 2020 12:46pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    She has started on her distraction from child poverty
    ADULT POVERTY
    
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    February 1, 2020 12:48pm
  - cmm
    
    PTPM, but full time LIAR!
    
    She’d lie if the dog really did eat her homework.
    
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    February 1, 2020 1:12pm
- cmm
  
  I already sponsor some kids for a few grand a month. Do I get a discount?
  
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  February 1, 2020 1:11pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ClbwyuaD-4
Remoaner meltdown. Enjoy some remoaner tears with your schadenfreude.
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February 1, 2020 9:02am
curry4me

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/01/30/bbc-axe-450-jobs-britain-turns-away-media-broadcaster/
Well, just another 4000 or so jobs to go. I wonder if it’s too late for them to enrol in a coding course?
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February 1, 2020 9:03am
cmm

PriNZess rules out pre-election wedding because planning a wedding and an election are too much.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12304788

In 2017 she was ruling out PM because she wanted to make babies, so we need not take her statement too seriously.
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February 1, 2020 9:13am
- curry4me
  
  Probably means plans are well advanced then. Can’t believe a word the COL say.
  
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  February 1, 2020 9:20am
- Sydney Alvarado
  
  wedding planner …
  [ Family stuff … you know the rules ]
  
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  February 1, 2020 9:47am
  - Tall Man
    
    Any comment mod?
    
    Deleting my comment without a response is a bit harsh. It was a reasonable question I thought.
    
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    February 1, 2020 11:05am
    - Tall Man
      
      Please delete…. looks like Sydney did a double post and I assumed my response was deleted which it wasn’t . Thanks
      
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      February 1, 2020 11:11am
- JackRabbit
  
  Her wedding and baby status is of no importance to the public, and neither was her cat. She only limelights these things to stay in the spotlight keep the spin going.
  
  I don’t have a clue about the children of many politicians, because they take great pains to keep their children out of the media. John Keys children ended up in the media, but it was not of John Key’s doing. On the other had, Jacinda has sought out the media.
  
  I wouldn’t have a clue what pets politicians have, because they don’t make it to the media except:
  
  Jacinda’s (ex) cat.
  Winston’s Dog.
  Hitlers Dog.
  
  All media fluff.
  
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  February 1, 2020 11:19am
- cmm
  
  I suppose the boy is waiting until she has secured her $half M/y dowry and they can have an 8 week honeymoon on the taxpayer.
  
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  February 1, 2020 11:25am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Walking and chewing gum at the same time, is too much for her.
  There would be a negative political backlash, that’s why she didn’t do it.
  
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  February 1, 2020 12:47pm
Komata

So Cindy now wants to change our National Anthem’s first verse. Does anyone know what the new verse might be, or is it still being considered by a ‘Commitee’?
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February 1, 2020 9:13am
- sam green
  
  No. Someone wrote to PM Ardern and asked her. She agreed in principle. A spokesperson for the PM said that there were no plans to change the anthem. There are more pressing things to focus on. There.
  
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  February 1, 2020 9:30am
  - Rodney Randall
    
    same spokesperson/secretarty that said “the PM wont be appearing on ZB’s Chch morning radio show unless there is something like another March 15?”
    
    Christchurch, the 2nd biggest city and the gutless PM refusesto front on Chris Lynch’s radio programme to discuss issues facing the city.
    
    disgraceful cowardice from the vapid virtue signalling fraud.
    
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    February 1, 2020 9:45am
    - sam green
      
      In your humble opinion.
      
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      February 1, 2020 10:15am
      - Rodney Randall
        
        And the humble opinion of a multitude of others in Christchurch and throughout the country.
        
        Jacinda Ardern will not front in Chch.
        Every other Prime Minister of all political stripes has including local MPs.
        
        Chris Lynch gets on well with all of them.
        
        Jacinda was challenged over policy on ZB Chch by Lynch, exposed, and now refuses to go on the show, “unless there is something similar to another March 15th” according to her press secretary.
        
        Simon Bridges brought this up in the house and the PM pretended to have no knowledge.
        
        The entire house fell into silence including her own cabinet members.
        
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        February 1, 2020 11:17am
      - Stephieboy2
        
        “..a multitude of others in Christchurch and throughout the country.”
        
        ????
        
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        February 1, 2020 12:21pm
      - cmm
        
        Stephie: If she is prepared to snub Christchurch – the second largest city in NZ, then who else will she snub?
        
        The “provincial divide” is getting bigger. Chirstchurch is somewhere between the “real provinces” and “real urban” (Auckland/Wellington). If she hasn’t time for Chch then she definitely doesn’t have time for more provincial areas (unless of course there’s a photo-op/wine festival going).
        
        Did she even show face at Field Days last year?
        
        People living outside of Auckland and Wellington will be wondering why they should support Labour.
        
        Even getting 100% Labour vote in Auckland is not enough.
        
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        February 1, 2020 1:24pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      “…the PM wont be appearing on ZB’s Chch morning radio show unless there is something like another March 15”
      
      The PM wont be appearing on ZB’s Chch morning radio show until there is another photo opportunity and media event where I can gain traction.
      
      This confirms she doesn’t have empathy or real interest in people. It is all about media fluff.
      
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      February 1, 2020 11:22am
  - lifesgood
    
    SAm green..and you actually believe her?!!! Amazing!
    
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    February 1, 2020 10:09am
  - Komata
    
    Sam@930
    
    Thank you, but with the seed now sown (and based on past performances), I believe that it is more a matter of when rather than if…
    
    Time will tell.
    
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    February 1, 2020 11:10am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Fuck em . The anthem is shit already. This just ensures I will never sing it again.
  
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  February 1, 2020 11:21am
- Nutta
  
  I believe it’s:
  
  “United Nations
  We’re at your feet,
  Tell us what to do and think,
  All our history we’ll delete,
  We’re now called Aotearoa”
  
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  February 2, 2020 12:00am
Maggie Pie

Our property is completely surrounded by huge trees, both native and exotics.
This time of year, the bird-life is amazing. We attract everything from sparrows, fantails, thrush, blackbirds, chaffinch, tui, kereru, even flights of parakeets. The other day, we heard that Dutch naturist on ZB saying in this hot weather its really nice to put out some whole grain bread, soaked in water, because their usual source of water (gutterings) are so dry. Anyway, we got a loaf of Vogels Mixed Grain from NW the other day, put a few slices under the tap, and threw it out on the lawn. It was amazing to see, there was literally hundreds of birds descend from the trees. Really was beautiful to watch. This morning, my partner gets his fave tee shirt out to put on, which I’d only just washed and brought in off the line, and there’s this yuge bird-poop down the back. He storms into the kitchen, grabs the Vogels out of the fridge, and says, “F~~k that Dutch prick and his advice, the birds can die of dehydration!” 🙁
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February 1, 2020 9:34am
- tf78
  
  Maggie I now have a second/third generation black bird who gathers with his family everyday outside our kitchen window. I go through -1/2 kgs apples weekly plus vogels. Also a family of wax eyes – they’re so cute.
  
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  February 1, 2020 9:45am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Do you have a Motorhead tee-shirt?
    
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    February 1, 2020 10:02am
  - Ed Snack
    
    We tend to get a lot of noise from the birds as our cat watches them from a semi-concealed position. Has had a lot of sparrows lately, probably from in one of our hedges. He’s a bit intimidated by the blackbirds and even more so by the Tuis that are pretty common.
    
    Very rare to see a Kereru though we have, there’s a reasonable number in reserves nearby but they don’t seem to travel that far. We do get a lot of finches though, chaffinch, goldfinch, greenfinch, and others I’m not so sure about, and of course the ubiquitous wax eyes and fan tails.
    
    The cat does his best but hasn’t had much impact on the number of birds !
    
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    February 1, 2020 11:18am
    - GoVege
      
      Stop your cat catching birds by putting bells on him, and keeping him slightly chubby.
      Works in our place.
      
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      February 1, 2020 2:14pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Just the chubby bit works for our cat. But in her defense she’s 15.
        
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        February 1, 2020 8:16pm
- MCos
  
  So it’s a choice between the birds and the human.
  
  On CI channel it turns out the birds win.
  Temporarily.
  The wife can’t stand the husband’s bitching and moaning anymore, encourages him to take out a huge life insurance, kills him with poison and puts his body through the mincer and feeds it to the birds.
  
  Then it all turns to custard.
  The insurance company turns down her claim because there’s a one month stand down period.
  The birds all die from poison.
  Her distant cousin in law is suspicious, especially when she takes out a life insurance on her new husband.
  Useless Plods finally cotton on and the game is up.
  
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  February 1, 2020 10:04am
- Biscuit
  
  Maggie, for the past 3 or so years, we have been laying crushed nuts and torn-up breads on our patio table for a family of kereru that like to come down from the bush for a feast.
  
  They’re not exactly tame but, as we remind the youngsters in our family, if you’re quiet and don’t make any sudden movements, they’ll sometimes let you stroke their feathers.
  
  Tell the partner that the pooping could have been FAR worse:
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzjLlqIuVhI
  
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  February 1, 2020 10:14am
- All_on_Red
  
  Meet Chunk
  Very cute
  https://mobile.twitter.com/dodo/status/1223093546887958528
  
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  February 1, 2020 10:17am
  - tf78
    
    I bet Chunk will have a lot of Baby Chunk’s arriving in the garden next spring. Could get expensive. So cute though.
    
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    February 1, 2020 10:38am
- Swifty
  
  https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=uCl5Y_1580410809
  
  Safe for work.
  
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  February 1, 2020 10:50am
  - kevn
    
    @Swifty… That is what the CoLiars is doing, sh*tting on NZer’s.
    
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    February 1, 2020 11:30am
- cmm
  
  If people fed me Vogels I’d shit on their laundry too!
  
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  February 1, 2020 1:26pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    YUP – but sure as shit weren’t going to waste any of our Hot X Buns 😀
    
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    February 1, 2020 2:47pm
GoVege

I see that forty good people are protesting the live export of hundreds of our cows to China, in Taranaki.
How ironic that a poor depressed Kiwi farmer is dragged to court, publicly humiliated and even jailed for neglecting his cows.
Yet we blithely send off hundreds or even thousands of cows on a long, stressful voyage to God knows what fate.
Out of sight out of mind, no doubt.
How cruel….and hypocritical.
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February 1, 2020 9:36am
Michael NZ

Thank you Mods for unlocking my handle.
I can now uptick and downtick and post again…
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February 1, 2020 9:46am
- Biscuit
  
  Michael, revel in your newly-acquired abilities and feel free to Uptick and/or Downtick (is it POSSIBLE to do both?) this post so to hone your skills!
  
  NB:
  
  This offer applies ONLY to Michael NZ and not to ANY OTHER Kiwiblogger.
  
  As if THAT will stop the saddo types, eh?, heh heh…
  
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  February 1, 2020 10:23am
Fletch

The Dems are using a “nothing to see here” approach when it comes to Joe and Hunter Bidens dealings in the Ukraine, but Pam Bondi takes a deep dive into the Bidens dealings during the hearings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kqmojRRqB0
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February 1, 2020 9:48am
Sydney Alvarado

wedding planner Clarke ….
[ Family stuff ….. ]
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February 1, 2020 9:48am
- Tall Man
  
  A comment for the mods who are citing “Family stuff” and deleting it.
  
  ardern and family are supposedly our “first family” and trot their family shit out whenever required for self promotion, including their child as per Ratana last week.
  
  Making them off limits when they are being so “visible” seems rather silly to me so could clarification be sought please as I find the “self promotion” very offensive when crossed into the political arena….
  
  Thanks
  
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  February 1, 2020 10:52am
Suze Wainwright

Listened in utter horror to RNZ’s Country Life this morning as some farmer proudly talked about his Black Doris plums.
I’ve petitioned Marama & Golriz that the name of the plums be immediately changed to Womin of Color plums and the Black Doris creator be retrospectively labelled as a misogynistic white supremacist
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February 1, 2020 10:03am
- MrTips
  
  How about melanin positive, non-binary, acceptable pronoun, vegan approved plum?
  
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  February 1, 2020 10:18am
- Jack5
  
  What about Black Boy peaches, a traditional dessert peach in this country?
  
  This is from an Australian nursery site:
  
  Blackboy peach is currently one of our most sought after peaches, well loved by New Zealanders, this peach, also called Peche de Vigne (vine peach), or Black peach, has a deeply dark mysterious looking flesh, with terrific peach flavour, a real novelty. Ripens: Late February
  
  To satisfy the woke, they could be renamed Dark They peaches, or should that be Dark Them peaches? Would they let folk away with just “darkies”?
  
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  February 1, 2020 10:30am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    I’d settle for non-gender specific, all inclusive peaches…
    
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    February 1, 2020 10:48am
  - cmm
    
    I’d settle for “Bloody disgusting until cooked with heaps of sugar” peaches.
    
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    February 1, 2020 11:27am
- Stephieboy2
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Suze Wainwright, who cares?
  
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  February 1, 2020 10:43am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Must have piqued your interest enough to comment…
    
    Seriously, how about you leave political blogs for a day or two and spend time cultivating a sense of humour. Your preferred gender attraction would definitely appreciate it – trust me
    
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    February 1, 2020 11:13am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    who cares?
    
    Quite a lot of people, stephieboy.
    
    I know you are rather keen on throwing derogatory labels at folks on this blog, but some folks would rather not employ nasty epithets.
    
    Hence the attempts over the last few decades to clean up plant names.
    https://www.the-scientist.com/opinion-old/racist-relics-an-ugly-blight-on-our-botanical-nomenclature-60358
    
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    February 1, 2020 2:08pm
MrTips

FYI, the Chinese govt is offering NZD$6M in contestable research funding to partner with local Chinese researchers to help combat identification, containment, treatment, medical management and eradication of 2019-nCOV. As I understand it that $ amount is for NZ alone, for up to 20 projects.

Got the notification yesterday. What really interests me about this is: why? Why have 213 (likely more) people died, but only in China? Why is the death rate overseas = 0? (With over 100 cases now).

Are China admitting their medical infrastructure is sub-par?
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February 1, 2020 10:08am
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  China didn’t have an idea of what was happening untill people started dying. By then the disease had already spread. The rest of the world got warned about what might be coming and was/is able to try to quarantine potential carriers.
  
  I hope that efforts to minimize the spread of noravirus [? coronavirus – mod] overseas is successful but it’s early days yet.
  
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  February 1, 2020 1:07pm
- NoCash
  
  The victims of the reported deaths were mostly the elderly and/or people with per-existing respiratory illness, in fact the mortality rate of a clinical study of 99 early cases is 11%. 51% of the 99 patients had chronic diseases. The average age of the them is 55.5 yrs. Source: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30211-7/fulltext#seccestitle10
  
  The zero deaths outside of China is likely due to the infected are healthier as they have been fit enough to fly and travel. Also, early medical care due to widespread awareness would have helped.
  
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  February 1, 2020 6:22pm
Stephieboy2

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
More on the consequences of the continuing bush fires raging across the ditch,

“Australia: show the world what climate action looks like”

The fires are a wake-up call. The country’s leaders must now act on overwhelming evidence and public opinion.

Last November, as bush fires began to roar across large swathes of Australia, people started to ask: could such an extreme event be connected to climate change?

Prime Minister Scott Morrison dodged the question. Gladys Berejiklian, the premier of the state of New South Wales, where the fires have had the biggest impact, said that during the unfolding disaster was not the time to talk about climate change. Two months on, this season’s devastating conflagrations have killed at least 28 people and an estimated one billion native animals; burnt about 10 million hectares of vegetation; and destroyed more than 2,000 homes.

The top priority is to protect lives and ecosystems. But the nation’s leaders must surely realize that they not only need to talk about climate change, but also need to act decisively to reduce the emissions that are driving it….”

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00152-y
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February 1, 2020 10:29am
- tf78
  
  Climate change is hogwash!
  
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  February 1, 2020 10:41am
- Sydney Alvarado
  
  OK ill ask you for the fifth and final time two questions.
  
  What actions could the Australian Government take to materially reduce emissions?
  
  What is one example of actions that a government has taken any where globally that have materially reduced emissions. Let’s say by 20 percent from baselines?
  
  I expect to get silence or idiocy but please surprise me. They are genuine questions that you should have immediate answers to if you are intent on posting this stuff.
  
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  February 1, 2020 10:58am
  - Swifty
    
    Mate, he’s incapable of anything other than C&Ps and one-line trolling.
    
    He’s never written an original piece of any note, depth or consequence in the years and years he’s spent here.
    
    Nada. Zip. Nothing.
    
    It’s beyond him.
    
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    February 1, 2020 11:39am
  - cmm
    
    “What is one example of actions that a government has taken any where globally that have materially reduced emissions.”
    
    Stop flying to international climate conferences. Might not make 20%, but it’s worth a try.
    
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    February 1, 2020 1:30pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Didn’t Boris ban his people from heading to Davos for drinkies?
      
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      February 1, 2020 1:45pm
      - curry4me
        
        He ended up sending one or two ministers. Not the usual size contingent.
        
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        February 1, 2020 4:36pm
  - Albert_Ross
    
    There’s plenty that a determined Government could do to reduce emissions, both within its own borders and outside them. Fund research into GE solutions. Lift restrictions on the construction of nuclear power stations. Introduce an emissions trading scheme with the supply of credits low enough to make the price bite. and so encourage consumers towards low-carbon alternatives. Help poorer countries with the cost of cleaning up their worst polluting factories, power stations; etc.
    
    Yes, no country has seriously attempted these, let alone done so successfully. So what? How does this invalidate stephie’s case that there is a problem that needs addressing? Is your logic truly that the lack of effective action to address a problem proves that there isn’t a problem? How does that follow?
    
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    February 1, 2020 1:43pm
    - Tall Man
      
      I for one am sick to death of climate change bullshit. Who says that a bit of extra warmth is bad? Find me a tree that doesn’t want a little more CO2.
      
      What is of greater concern is pollution both atmospheric and physical in the sea and on land. I travel a fair bit and without doubt, New Zealand is the cleanest country that I have seen regarding rubbish but it is getting worse.
      
      Most of the coal burning tech is now relatively clean although not so much in NZ but I would happily see a few more degrees of heat but a lot less rubbish being dumped in landfills and the sea.
      
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      February 1, 2020 2:38pm
kevn

@septic… Yes, dreadful is a massive understatement. Worst bush fires (measured in hectares) since 1974-75. A generation ago.
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February 1, 2020 10:51am
- Sydney Alvarado
  
  The 1974 75 fires were quite different. They were literally in the middle of nowhere in the vast western plains of NSW and Victoria. They were grass and scrub fires. These are quite different to eucalyptus fires which release incredible energy.
  
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  February 1, 2020 11:04am
- Stephieboy2
  
  kevn, the 2019/20 bushfires were the biggest and most severe ever in recorded history!
  
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  February 1, 2020 12:18pm
  - Sydney Alvarado
    
    Yes they are bad. I was just over there. What is your point?
    
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    February 1, 2020 1:03pm
    - Albert_Ross
      
      What’s yours?
      
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      February 1, 2020 2:38pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    “kevn, the 2019/20 bushfires were the biggest and most severe ever in recorded history!”
    
    Horse shit. That’s an out and out lie, easily disproved with 2 minutes on google. Either that or you need to fix your browser settings to include dates prior to 2019, for everything – Australian Bushfires, Climate Change – everything and anything where you apply superlatives with laxative like consistency, to everything you want to sensationalise.
    
    Biggest on record, worst on record, longest on record, highest sea rise on record, highest temperatures on record, worst climate change on record…
    
    Next you’ll be telling us you have the biggest “Johnson” on record.
    
    “Despite all the news currently circulating about the terrible damage caused by the current bushfires in Australia, it is not the worst the continent has seen. By way of example, the 1974 to 1975 bushfires nationwide (but mostly in Central Australia) were the worst in recorded history (by extent).”
    
    -January 24th 2020.
    https://interestingengineering.com/7-of-the-most-destructive-wildfires-in-australian-history
    
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    February 1, 2020 5:20pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    And on a similar scale, Stepieboy2 is the biggest and most severe idiot on Kiwiblog in recorded history.
    
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    February 1, 2020 7:41pm
Yvette

Albatross cops may soon be taking to the skies over the subantarctic Isles to scan remote parts of the Pacific Ocean for illegal fishing boats.
In a trial using technology shared by New Zealand and France, 169 albatrosses were fitted with radar detection tags in November 2018 and released to the south of the Indian Ocean.
In a separate experiment New Zealand Fisheries fitted 20 radar detection tags on to antipodean albatrosses in January 2019, allowing the department to track their movements between New Zealand’s sub-antarctic islands and the west coast of South America.

“Albatross are taonga [precious] species and this research will help understand more about their movements and how we can protect them.”
The New Zealand birds are part of a larger global effort to fight the illegal fishing trade.

Airborne albatross can spot a vessel from 30km away and will consistently come in for a closer look once they do. “They’re like drones, only intelligent,” said Weimerskirch.
When a bird zeros in on a boat its logger detects the radar signal and sends the coordinates back to the scientists.

So far scientists passing information to the Department of Defence have had few favourable results.
Although at Ron Mark’s instructions, personal have had little success fitting 50mm cannon to albatrosses. “Don’t worry – the rest of Government is having problems with delivery too”, Ron Mark remarked.

What? – Oh, a phone call from Jacinda. Jacinda who?
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February 1, 2020 10:58am
- GoVege
  
  Great idea, Yvette!
  On the subject of France and birds.
  France has just banned the brutal practice of killing millions of day old male chicks by tipping them conscious onto rotating blades.
  Totally unnecessary cruelty as all this carnage can be avoided by shining a light on eggs to determine what gender the chick is.
  Greens!
  Do your xxxx job and get this technology brought in.
  You did it for plastic bags!
  And men: show us your famed mateship and stand up for all these millions of males decimated so cruelly each year.
  
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  February 1, 2020 1:47pm
  - Tall Man
    
    https://www.mypetchicken.com/backyard-chickens/chicken-help/Can-you-tell-the-sex-of-chicks-when-theyre-still-H51.aspx
    
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    February 1, 2020 2:31pm
  - Yvette
    
    Sorry, GoVege, about all the chickens. Sad that French chicks often seem to get into trouble, especially the male ones.
    But regarding the albatross, “the great idea” is already happening – so “good!”, unless it leads to pirate fishing boat crews shooting albatross – so be it around their necks! – I wonder if they trigger alarms and register last co-ordinates too if they stop transmitting.
    It was just the portion about Ron Mark that was a little untrue.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/31/intelligent-drones-albatross-fitted-with-radar-detectors-to-spot-illegal-fishing
    
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    February 1, 2020 2:53pm
  - rockape
    
    You cannot sex chicks using light only tell if the egg is fertile. OK in the lab totally inpractical otherwise.
    
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    February 1, 2020 3:20pm
- rockape
  
  Fishing boats will just carry shotguns.
  
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  February 1, 2020 3:23pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Just for the leftie nutjobs: OAN The Final Point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niROF50vBlY
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February 1, 2020 10:59am
- Stephieboy2
  
  Right-Wing Network One America News Sues Rachel Maddow For Calling it ‘Paid Russian Propaganda’
  
  SEE YOU IN COURT
  
  https://www.thedailybeast.com/conservative-network-one-america-news-sues-rachel-maddow-for-calling-it-paid-russian-propaganda
  
  Touchie, touchie…
  
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  February 1, 2020 12:19pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Don’t feed the troll
    
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    February 1, 2020 2:57pm
Ruahine

“She didn’t consider herself devout enough”. That is a good answer if you do not want a whipping.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWYkiNytRP8
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February 1, 2020 11:10am
emmess

As predicted by the remoaners, get ready for complete economic and societal collapse in Britain today.
Whoops sorry, they were right but just got the location wrong, they meant China.
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February 1, 2020 11:11am
MCos

This bit of logic by Marco Rubio is a little baffling.
It’s part of his reasoning for acquiring Trump.
“Just because actions meet a standard of impeachment does not mean it is in the best interest of the country to remove a President from office.“
Reminds me of the old days of test cricket before neutral umpires. They wouldn’t give the local hero out because they knew it would provoke a riot.
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February 1, 2020 11:12am
JibberJabber

This is the most British reaction to Brexit so far!

https://twitter.com/OzraeliAvi/status/1223362709787308032
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February 1, 2020 11:23am
Maggie Pie

And the MORAL to the story is……?

https://twitter.com/TheSun/status/1223363451935916032

😛
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February 1, 2020 11:26am
- chaos
  
  lose Weight before wearing tight underpants because no one wants to see a half naked fattie?
  
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  February 1, 2020 12:07pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump signs the new USMCA deal.
Then he trolls Pelosi and starts handing out sharpies! LOL.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-appears-to-mock-pelosi-by-handing-out-pens-during-bill-signing?fbclid=IwAR0t_xno6ehnfs0giSn5FhQ9GIIJaNl0geHzkIrsDnwRRguVHQFZ06lytQM
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February 1, 2020 11:27am
- Jules99
  
  Love it – he has a great sense of humour!
  
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  February 1, 2020 1:29pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yeah, and the sharpies cost $15 whereas Nancy’s pens cost $15000. See the difference between a conservative and a socialist?
    
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    February 1, 2020 3:01pm
    - RichardX
      
      https://www.thoughtco.com/why-presidents-use-so-many-pens-3368115
      
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      February 1, 2020 5:10pm
- cmm
  
  Swamp: Drain it!
  
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  February 1, 2020 5:43pm
David Farrar

Please note that the defendants in the donation case has now been granted name suppression. This means it is a breach of the court order to name them, or speculate on who they are. So please don’t do so. This includes links to speculation elsewhere.
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February 1, 2020 11:34am
- chaos
  
  Perhaps this should be as a new article, a lot of people may miss it stuck in amongst the general discussion.
  
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  February 1, 2020 12:35pm
- JulieBabe
  
  yes [Deleted – unacceptable]
  We really are becoming a police state!
  
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  February 1, 2020 12:44pm
rangitoto

Hmmmm

https://biorxiv-cache.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/2020.01.30.927871.full.pdf
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February 1, 2020 11:41am
- secondcumming
  
  *Yep – exactly as I referenced in my GD post yesterday*
  
  There has been a clear change in the preference of the host from previous coronaviruses to this virus which warrants a thorough investigation and understanding of its ability to infect human beings. This is indeed frightening.
  
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  February 1, 2020 12:05pm
- Stephieboy2
  
  Bat soup is not behind the Coronavirus. Chinese espionge is!,
  
  https://www.infowars.com/coronavirus-chinese-espionage-behind-wuhan-bioweapon/
  
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  February 1, 2020 1:25pm
  - cmm
    
    You and you Jones mate make an interesting point there.
    
    The Chinese have been eating bats and such for centuries.
    
    Why now?
    
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    February 1, 2020 1:39pm
  - secondcumming
    
    LOL! So *finally getting through to you* is it Stephieboy? 😎
    
    Perhaps if you were to also check out what occurred in the *Chinese city of Harbin during WW2*, you would understand the similarities with what is happening today.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731
    
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    February 1, 2020 1:44pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Infowars.com?
    Have you changed sides?
    
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    February 1, 2020 2:18pm
    - chaos
      
      No he’s just trolling, weirdly it is against the rules but his trolling is allowed. Just trying to disrupt the flow of the conversation which he has achieved
      
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      February 1, 2020 2:21pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    The AIDS virus was cross bred in a laboratory, so no reason why this particular Coronavirus wasn’t. They’ve made hybrid humans and hybrid animals – there seems to be no limit what scientists without ethical limits will do.
    
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    February 1, 2020 5:31pm
softail 1450

TRUMP 2020 THE TDS WILL BE STRONG TODAY.
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February 1, 2020 12:07pm
Botany Bill

Any other Kiwiblog readers think Botany needs a new MP? The incumbent is an embarrassment to the local community. Residents are wondering why his local office is shut. He’s not fulfilling his duties as an electorate MP. And whispers are doing the rounds that he may be playing away from home again. Guys like that don’t change. Good luck to Christopher Luxon for 2020.
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February 1, 2020 12:08pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Is this allowed to be discussed?
  
  [There has been no change to the current Botany MP. -mod]
  
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  February 1, 2020 12:51pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Hopefully there will be, sooner than later.
    
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    February 1, 2020 4:58pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Everytime I drive through Botany and I see the hoardings with that Philandering Traiterous Phuck, I get disproportionally angry and start having really bad thoughts. I voted for that piece of excrement many elections ago. I even spoke to that verminous sleaze bag and wished him the best of luck when he was campaigning near Countdown… Its a good thing I moved 4 years ago…. ( Now I need my medication….)
  
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  February 1, 2020 1:04pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    No names no pack drill…
    
    https://thedailyblog.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/DtcIgufVYAAQlme.jpg-large.jpeg
    
    😛
    
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    February 1, 2020 1:30pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Must be a great feeling to be so well admired by your peers ……………….. 🙂
      
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      February 1, 2020 1:42pm
  - alloytoo
    
    Every time I see the hoardings I wonder who paid for them. (And resist temptation to deface them)
    
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    February 1, 2020 3:15pm
Prince

Bridges really has the Left wing spooked.
A Stuff article labelled ‘Satire’ (for Stuff that means some rubbish we can’t justify but will publish anyway and call it ‘Satire’), imagining what a candle based on Simon Bridges would smell like.
First it drifts off into candles that smell like vaginas, hooters, ‘fanny cracks’ etc. Then it descends intojust abusing Bridges directly.
And they call this ‘journalism’.
I guess you can do and say anything if you label it ‘Satire’.
Anyway, Stuff has closed comments, after just one comment, predictably abusing Bridges.
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February 1, 2020 12:30pm
- Ian Boag
  
  OMG. Next thing KB will be banning the occasional comment abusing the PM, Deputy PM and sundry others …
  
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  February 1, 2020 1:47pm
- All_on_Red
  
  A Jacinda candle would smell like Disapointment and Broken Promises
  
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  February 1, 2020 8:01pm
  - snowy
    
    and lawnmower clippings
    
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    February 1, 2020 10:31pm
  - Nutta
    
    No,it would never have been delivered, so no smell whatsoever…
    
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    February 2, 2020 12:12am
MrTips

Ha! As expected, evidence vote failed in the senate, Trump set to be acquitted by the next Senate vote. https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/408625/trump-impeachment-failed-witnesses-vote-paves-way-for-acquittal

Suck on that you Dumbocrats. Why did you even bother in the first place. Morons.
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February 1, 2020 12:31pm
- Stephieboy2
  
  Mr Tips , this is cheap politics where justice and the Truth have not been served.
  
  Otherwise, what is the easiest and most expedient? In other words Pontius Pilate stuff!
  
  Party honesty is party expediency.
  
  Grover Cleveland
  
  Read more at https://www.brainyquote.com/topics/expediency-quotes
  
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  February 1, 2020 1:16pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    What did the Dems serve up in their attempt at a soft coup?
    Where were the principles of justice, as emerged from the Magna Carta, demonstrated?
    Hidden witnesses, hidden hearings, hidden accusers–executioners out the back.
    
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    February 1, 2020 2:15pm
chaos

This is interesting

* Even if a screening test comes back negative from CDC’s laboratory results, it does not conclusively mean an individual is at no risk of developing the disease over the likely 14-day incubation period.*
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February 1, 2020 12:34pm
- cmm
  
  Anyone that thinks they can say anything conclusive at this stage would be a fool.
  
  That is why at least 14 days quarantine is required. That gives 14 days to learn more and improve the picture.
  
  If, at the end of the 14 days there are still too many questions, then they need to extend the quarantine by a further however many days.
  
  That might not be nice for the people in quarantine – many of them who are already whinging – but they should rather focus on their good fortune and being thankful that flight staff put themselves at risk (and subjected themselves to quarantine) to fetch them.
  
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  February 1, 2020 1:47pm
All_on_Red

“Flynn is going to Jail”
-Batman

Wrong
‘The government lied, “framed,” hid favorable evidence, and showed “contempt for the law at every turn” in their treatment of Michael Flynn.
Those charges were contained in a new filing in the government’s case against Flynn. And his attorney, Sidney Powell, was just getting started.
In the 27-page-filing, an add-on to her previous motions, Powell demanded charges be dropped against Flynn based on previously withheld exculpatory documents by the government and the IG report on FISA abuse.’
‘The net result was that federal prosecutors publicly considered, for the first time, that Flynn would get no jail time and instead be put on probation for his previous guilty plea in what we now know was the beginning of the FBI’s “Crossfire Hurricane” operation against the Trump White House.’

Prosecutors are backpeddling now. There’s a chance they actually might get charged themselves.

Also given the FISA Warrants against Carter Page have now been proven to be illegally issued, this may affect charges and Court cases held against others.
It’s now been confirmed of course, that the Obama Administration was illegally spying on Trump and others.
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February 1, 2020 1:42pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Oops, sorry, link here
  https://pjmedia.com/trending/feds-back-off-jailing-michael-flynn-after-stunning-new-evidence-that-govt-lied-and-framed-him/
  
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  February 1, 2020 1:42pm
  - Stephieboy2
    
    All on Redm wrong yet again,
    
    The #MAGA Lawyer Behind Michael Flynn’s Scorched-Earth Legal Strategy
    Flynn went from cooperating with prosecutors to blaming them—and potentially facing prison. Sidney Powell is a big reason why.
    
    “The three-day conference in November 2018 was called “Operation Classified” and promised attendees they would “come away with a comprehensive understanding of the Deep State.” Featured speakers, gathered at a Hilton hotel in a Dallas suburb, included militia leaders, anti-vaxxers, a UFO activist, as well as a former federal prosecutor named Sidney Powell, who delivered a somber, noteless recitation in a folksy Southern accent…”
    
    https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/01/17/maga-lawyer-behind-michael-flynn-legal-strategy-098712
    
    LOL
    
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    February 1, 2020 2:21pm
    - cmm
      
      I didn’t quite believe you in the beginning, but I can’t argue with a logically stated LOL.
      
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      February 1, 2020 5:38pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        He truly is Kiwiblogs Dumbest Commentator
        What sort of half wit misses ‘‘The net result was that federal prosecutors publicly considered, for the first time, that Flynn would get no jail time and instead be put on probation’
        
        ‘Publically considered’!
        Lol right back at you Stephie you dummy
        
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        February 1, 2020 7:47pm
lifesgood

I got talking to two Canadians in a cafe yesterday. They had arrived that day and confidently told me that we had an amazing PM. I asked them why they thought that and they said all the Canadian media praises her to the high heavens. I asked them what they thought of Trudeau and they said they thought he was terrible. So I explained that he and Jacinda are cut from the same cloth and that Jacinda is only liked by a minority of NZers. They thanked me and said “Oh goodness, you just can’t believe everything you read” My good work for the day.
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February 1, 2020 2:48pm
cmm

I see Hugzilla is making a dog’s breakfast of the Coronavirus handling.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/119195633/how-does-new-zealands-reaction-to-coronavirus-compare-around-the-world

She is completely useless. Her biggest worry is not for New Zealanders but whether other places in the Pacific might not have good heath systems.

Where do I start?

1) First, sweetie, you are the NZ PM believe it or not. Your first, second and third priorities are looking after NZ.
2) You do not worry about other shitholistans not being able to cope for themselves until (1) is completely taken care of.
(3) The Pacific is not our responsibility. If they have insufficient medical systems to function, then shut down travel too/from there.
(4) NZ comes first.

But, hey, #CinD4UN! More UN luvvie points to be scored playing St Jizz in the Pacific.
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February 1, 2020 2:51pm
- Stephieboy2
  
  BS, eg from your link,
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/119057045/nurses-at-airports-to-test-passengers-arriving-from-china-who-feel-unwell?rm=a
  
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  February 1, 2020 3:14pm
  - cmm
    
    So nurses testing passengers that “feel unwell”?
    
    C’mon. You know there might be no symptoms for 2 weeks.
    
    Do you know what “no symptoms means”?
    
    I think I will have to stop calling you Dokta. You clearly have no medical knowledge.
    
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    February 1, 2020 7:19pm
Maggy Wassilieff

More people dying and more being infected daily by Coronavirus.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/3048518/coronavirus-case-load-and-death-toll-china-rise-epicentre-hubei-province
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February 1, 2020 2:52pm
- Stephieboy2
  
  The death rate from the virus is only 2%
  
  https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/
  
  “The only fear we need to fear is fear itself”
  
  FDR
  
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  February 1, 2020 3:12pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Did you read everything in that link, stephieboy?
    
    However, the WHO specified that this is a very early and provisional estimate that may change.
    
    Fatality rate can change as a virus can mutate, according to epidemiologists.
    
    Within the Hubei province, the mortality rate is about 1% when excluding the city of Wuhan (where it is 5.5%)
    
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    February 1, 2020 7:48pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Are those idiots in Wuhan still eating bats?
      
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      February 1, 2020 9:27pm
- secondcumming
  
  *Chinese Government* arrests medical Doctors….. ‘who spread rumors about the Coronavirus’ on WeChat when it was first discovered.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE7Iz7HLpYg
  
  Honestly, what the fuck is it with these people? 😎
  
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  February 1, 2020 3:28pm
- chaos
  
  I tend to think businesses here need to step up and stop Chinese stripping shops of certain goods.
  
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  February 1, 2020 3:44pm
- cmm
  
  Just shutting down flights from China is not enough.
  
  Need to also shut down all flights from 3rd world places that are incapable of performing adequate medical screening: India, Middle East, Pacific Islands, Africa etc.
  
  There are query cases in South Africa and Botswana where the government is run by people that think AIDS can be cured by having a shower.
  
  Hugzilla has told us the Pacific are rubbish and not up to it.
  
  I expect though that Dokta Stephie might have better advice. Well at least think he has better advice anyway…
  
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  February 1, 2020 4:18pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    School proper starts this week…. so folks who had been holidaying all over the planet for the last month are already back in the country.
    
    Thank goodness it is summer in NZ…..the virus mightn’t be too happy here for the next few months….
    
    Still, it doesn’t look like things are slowing down.
    
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    February 1, 2020 4:28pm
    - cmm
      
      Some schools are holding back kids who have recently been to China for 2 weeks.
      
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      February 1, 2020 5:36pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        And now AirNZ is suspending Flights to Shanghai – Auckland in….
        8 days time (Feb 9th)
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/119208813/qantas-to-suspend-services-to-mainland-china-from-february-9
        
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        February 1, 2020 5:51pm
      - cmm
        
        In 8 days time.
        
        Horse bolted???
        
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        February 1, 2020 7:15pm
- MrTips
  
  I said it before and I’ll say it again. Why is NO-ONE dying outside China? There should 2-3 deaths by now if we matched Chinese stats.
  
  If it carries on like this for another week, maybe two, then this question will become more and more relevant. Just you see.
  
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  February 1, 2020 6:31pm
  - chaos
    
    My question that I haven’t found an answer to yet is has there been any non asians catch it
    
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    February 1, 2020 6:44pm
    - NoCash
      
      One reported in Germany, a 33 yr old German male was infected after attending a meeting with a female colleague from China on a business trip there.
      
      https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2001468
      
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      February 1, 2020 9:54pm
  - NoCash
    
    Are you suggesting the Chinese govt is over-reporting the number of deaths? That would be a complete surprise don’t you think.
    
    Anyway, my reply to your earlier post asking the same.
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2020/02/general_debate_1_february_2020.html/comment-page-1#comment-2635014
    
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    February 1, 2020 7:32pm
    - chaos
      
      Another bullshit post from the ccp
      
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      February 1, 2020 10:01pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    China notified WHO on Dec 31st that they had a mysterious illness based around a wet Market in Wuhan….. it has taken another month before the extent of the infection and death rate has become a bit clearer
    
    As healthy folks are dying (including doctors treating ill people) and the number of folks dying/day is increasing in Wuhan, then I think we might need another month to judge how lethal the virus is inside and outside China.
    
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    February 1, 2020 7:36pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

@cmm,
I misjudged your reply the other day (mind in the gutter)
Apologies from me
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February 1, 2020 3:10pm
- cmm
  
  Cheers!
  
  Big of you, but no worries mate.
  
  email etc is a very imperfect communications medium.
  
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  February 1, 2020 4:08pm
- Swifty
  
  Big of both of you.
  
  Good on you fellas.
  
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  February 1, 2020 8:27pm
Maggy Wassilieff

South Korea brought their 2nd plane-load of Nationals out of Wuhan this morning

http://world.kbs.co.kr/service/news_view.htm?lang=e&Seq_Code=151020
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February 1, 2020 3:21pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Hey Phil Goff, I just found you a money maker, but you will need to employ Astrologists.
https://thefreethoughtproject.com/state-forces-citizens-to-obtain-a-stargazing-permit-to-view-the-night-sky-yes-really/?fbclid=IwAR3DmaVvv63se4YHnEf8B747dl7fh4kZF7-0e3Mo-Ltb_0BBGArltXrS7hw
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February 1, 2020 3:34pm
- cmm
  
  Naah, can’t do that. The stars are in the sky so they belong to Maori (along with the 5G bandwidth).
  
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  February 1, 2020 4:21pm
greybeard

Will the last T20 game be decided by a “super over” ?
Will the Indians win it if it does ?
Will our “best batsmen” fail to fire again at the death ?
Will many Indians ( and a few NZrs ) become millionaires after this next game?
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February 1, 2020 4:12pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Will Ross Taylor keep doing those strange things with his tongue?
  
  Oh my God – I hope so 😛
  
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  February 1, 2020 7:11pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Australia denying entry to travellers/visitors from China

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/australia-to-deny-entry-to-travellers-from-mainland-china-unless-they-re-australian-citizens-pm
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  Good move. Same as the US, Singapore, and others.
  
  Why haven’t we done the same?
  
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    We are, it we are still bringing back a plane load of kiwis from the infection zone……
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/119217316/coronavirus-new-zealand-blocks-travellers-coming-from-china
    
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