General Debate 13 February 2020

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artemisia

The thin edge of the not-so private land wedge looks like it is doing what thin edges do.

Some 5000 hectares of private West Coast land proposed to be effectively commandeered by the government. Not only no compensation says Minister Sage, but owners still have to pay for ecological assessments and pay rates on it.

Not to worry, Minister Sage might help to pay for some fencing, umm so owners can’t use their own land.

The regional council chairman said he would support anyone in developing affected land while they could still legally do so.”If you think the Government’s got its thieving eyes on it – get in and develop before they can get it off you,” Birchfield said.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-democracy-reporting/119472332/compensation-ruled-out-for-west-coast-land-reclassified-significant-natural-areas
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February 13, 2020 8:04am
- Albert_Ross
  
  If the situation is as reported, and one never knows with Stuff, the landowners must have a case under the Human Rights Act. This is expropriation.
  
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  February 13, 2020 8:45am
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    The landowners might even have a case to take to the Waitangi Tribunal!
    
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    February 13, 2020 9:18am
    - Tall Man
      
      Pffftt… why waste time with that … just round up a bunch of losers, illegally occupy the site and golly and the other non male green mps will be around in a flash.
      
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      February 13, 2020 11:01am
- Jade Warrior
  
  My poor (in more ways than one) home province is on the bones of its ass economically and all that the urban dwelling members of the government in Wellington want to do is simply lock the whole of the West Coast up and prevent anyone from doing anything with it.
  
  With the possible exception of my home town of Hokitika (which at least has a good tourism sector and can still make at least some money from minerals and dairying) the towns of the Coast are in a dire state. The people of the Coast need help to develop economically- not more environmental regulations.
  
  Perhaps my dear grandmother was right – Wellington wants to turn the entire West Coast into one gigantic National Park with nobody living in it. Well I have certainly left.
  
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  February 13, 2020 8:57am
  - Tall Man
    
    Perhaps you should suggest they stop voting for a labour loser.
    
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    February 13, 2020 9:34am
    - Jade Warrior
      
      Tall Man – most of us on the actual West Coast have actually done so. The problem is that our electorate also encompasses the populous Tasman district and there is a lot of support for Labour up there.
      
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      February 13, 2020 10:30am
      - Tall Man
        
        “and there is a lot of support for Labour up there”
        
        Which really means there are a lot of fools up there 🙂
        
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        February 13, 2020 10:56am
      - Chris R
        
        I suspect the Nelson region is riddled with eco-loons too.
        
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        February 13, 2020 12:12pm
    - curry4me
      
      The Labour vote comes from the Tasman part of West Coast Tasman.
      
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      February 13, 2020 12:28pm
  - Gravelroad
    
    Minister Sage, an election candidate in the Port Hills electorate (think it was) who received around 7% of the vote support.
    That’s MMP for you – it gives the opportunity for untested ideologues and activists to personally experiment on our country with impunity.
    The Green Party has a lot to answer for but will never front up with accountability for their self serving policies.
    
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    February 13, 2020 9:36am
    - pdm
      
      7% that is massive in the context of the total Green Party Vote of 6.2% in the 2017 Election. (sarc)
      
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      February 13, 2020 10:19am
    - Tricati
      
      Thats because they are not electorate MP’s and can hide behind the ‘List’ mask of hypocrisy.
      
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      February 13, 2020 3:57pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        Showing your age – longing for the good old days (1981) when National (Muldoon) could be elected with fewer votes than Labour. When Pahiatua would elect a dog with a blue collar (Labour vote wasted) and Sydenham (National vote wasted) do the same for a red one.
        
        Time for a third referendum …. ?
        
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        February 13, 2020 4:10pm
- John Warren
  
  The startling arrogance of Obersturmbannführer Sage left me breathless. If you want evidence of communism in action, it was right there.
  
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  February 13, 2020 9:29am
- Lance
  
  They are already well practiced at this.
  They right royally shafted owners of land within coo-ee of the Waitakere ranges.
  Monstrous lies and character assassination was used back then, doubt much has changed.
  I still hold a deep seated dislike of fucking Bob Harvey to this day for how he near ruined my parents. He even tried to have a public meeting of affected land owners banned.
  I have yet to see a lefty leader/ politician who doesn’t lie through their teeth.
  Interesting, Nick Smith might get a hard time from some quarters, but he turned up at that meeting to support those being fucked over.
  
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  February 13, 2020 10:57am
Maggy Wassilieff

So the Ihumatao is still unresolved

Q.3.
https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20200212_20200212_16

How long can it drag on?
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February 13, 2020 8:10am
- Raphael
  
  It’s a bit of a poisonous chalice for Labour.
  
  If our Glorious Leader stumps up the settlement cash it will upset a LOT of people, especially as it cracks open the door to treaty claims on private property.
  If she doesn’t it will upset the more far out there Maori activists (who the Maori party is targeting, and want to re-open all treaty negotiations to include private property)
  
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  February 13, 2020 8:15am
  - Tarquin North
    
    Couldn’t happen to a more deserving bunch. Has she ever given a straight answer to a question? It would be comical if not for the damage they are doing to our country.
    
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    February 13, 2020 8:18am
    - JackRabbit
      
      She is trying to appease the indigenous population for a variety of purposes, mostly not good. Ironically under original indigenous Maori justice, she would never have got to a position of power, and any attempt to interfere in someone else’s land ownership may have got her killed.
      
      Maori land has been sold, given back or re-compensated and resold etc at least three times.
      
      If you believe that Maori have any genuine right to compensation after so many revolving settlements, then I have a flock of homing pigeons I’d like to sell you. 🙂
      
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      February 13, 2020 9:58am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Civil unrest makes it easier to push through more draconian legislation, like completely banning guns or give more power to certain government roles.
    
    This is all part of the fascist / communist playbook – create a problem and then offer a “solution”. She wouldn’t put her offspring in harms way but she does not give a continental about the people of NZ.
    
    It is private land, and the protestors were trespassing, and the police should have dealt with it. Undermining the police makes it more difficult for them to maintain law and order, and sends a message that the government and police will give way to intimidation and bullying. This then leads to problems in the future when enforcing the law:
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/02/waikato-mongrel-mob-clash-with-national-over-proposed-gang-crackdown.html
    
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    February 13, 2020 8:54am
- DeepBlue
  
  From transcript, Jacinda: ‘There is mana whenua. There is the private company, in Fletcher’s. And, of course, the role we’re trying to play: to broker a solution.”
  
  Since when does a broker put in money/assets to resolve a dispute between two parties. Jacinda seems to be trying to distance the government.
  
  How long will Fletchers put up with this? Surely a write down of asset will have to happen at financial year end… Do they then walk away from land. Who do they sue (Government?). Government might pay out Fletchers and say it is not a treaty settlement.
  
  SOUL will have won this by default, no houses but still owned by Fletchers who will be too scared to do anything with it…QEII covenant maybe?
  
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  February 13, 2020 9:34am
  - artemisia
    
    Fletchers – more relieved than scared. But I bet very cautious about what land they buy up in future. Though they did follow all the right procedures with Ihumatao, and looks like more generous to locals than they needed to be.
    
    Hopefully Kainga Ora will buy some of the land and build a ghetto, sorry public housing.
    
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    February 13, 2020 10:31am
    - freethinker
      
      [Deleted – casual and gratuitous racism is not acceptable. Mods]
      
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      February 13, 2020 10:54am
      - Tall Man
        
        Unless you’re a green mp!
        
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        February 13, 2020 3:01pm
    - Tall Man
      
      “Give an inch and they demand a mile”
      
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      February 13, 2020 10:58am
      - artemisia
        
        Then there’s give an inch and they think they’re a ruler.
        
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        February 13, 2020 11:14am
    - DeepBlue
      
      And then let the contract to Fletchers to build the houses.
      
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      February 13, 2020 11:13am
    - RoboRob
      
      Yes, this could have a significant negative impact on tribes wanting to sell, or perhaps co develop on, land in the future.
      
      If you are a developer can you take the risk of paying large money for land and than having the ability to develop blocked at the whim of any Iwi member?
      
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      February 13, 2020 1:03pm
G152

Cindy spent time dodging the question and the truck driver has gone home and taken his flag.
Expect us to placate the taniwai with lots of dosh
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February 13, 2020 8:13am
Tall Man

Good to see the pathetic media promoting gang culture ………

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/02/waikato-mongrel-mob-clash-with-national-over-proposed-gang-crackdown.html
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February 13, 2020 8:14am
- John Warren
  
  Why in God’s name do governments attempt to appease these arseholes? They surely can’t be a significant voting block.
  
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  February 13, 2020 9:31am
  - Tall Man
    
    Supply and demand? They have the supply and there may be a bit of “demand” …. for lawnmowing 😉
    
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    February 13, 2020 10:59am
  - Lance
    
    And if they do vote, I wonder who they vote for.. hmmmm?
    
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    February 13, 2020 11:02am
- ronsegal
  
  There are some very smart, bad people around. A smart move for a gang to engage in image whitewashing activities. ‘Look how our culture is changing for the better, we’re getting there.’ Then so many of those useful ethnic empathetic, socialist idiots, including the media, will fall for it. Well done the gangs.
  
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  February 13, 2020 11:20am
  - Minsk400
    
    Get your hands on a copy of “True Red”, the biography of a former Mongrel Mob leader. It’s eye opening.
    
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    February 13, 2020 3:45pm
Happychappy

Audrey Young : First debate of year marred by Mallards insults to Bridges.
The lively and good humoured cut and thrust of Parliaments first Leaders debate this year came to a thudding stop after Trevor Mallard Speaker of the House lost his temper with National Leader Simon Bridges. This is becoming a habit with this Speaker if he is not running protection for the PM , Deputy PM or dome MP’s he is accusing people of crimes he can’t back up or making decorative Statements of members in the Opposition. Many MP’s that have had the roll of Speaker even Labour ones would be rolling in their graves with the contempt this Speaker has for Parliamentary rules.
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February 13, 2020 8:16am
- igm
  
  He should currently be suspended for his forthcoming defamation case, not befitting for a Speaker, especially he being partisan and downright ignorant.
  
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  February 13, 2020 8:23am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Either Mallard makes no attempt to hide his bias, or he has no idea and self-awareness as to how biased and indeed petty he appears.
  
  Perhaps all the visits he has been making to his lawyer as they prepare a defence for the defamation action against him is taking its toll. He could do the House a service by standing down for a period of time to sort himself out, and let Anne Tolley become Acting Speaker; she couldn’t do any worse than Mallard.
  
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  February 13, 2020 8:25am
  - JackRabbit
    
    “Either Mallard makes no attempt to hide his bias, or he has no idea and self-awareness as to how biased and indeed petty he appears.”
    
    If it looks like a duck…..
    
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    February 13, 2020 8:45am
    - Paulus
      
      Do you mean he looks like a Duck surely you mean a Dick !
      Par for the course.
      
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      February 13, 2020 12:40pm
  - sooty
    
    What is a dome MP?
    
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    February 13, 2020 8:47am
    - Happychappy
      
      You need to look at your own spelling before making fun of others sooty the word is mean’t to be some.
      
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      February 13, 2020 10:07am
  - Sydney Alvarado
    
    Anne Tolley would make a good Speaker.
    
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    February 13, 2020 8:51am
  - Sacha
    
    “Either Mallard makes no attempt to hide his bias, or he has no idea and self-awareness as to how biased and indeed petty he appears.”
    I think he is typical of society today. In this age of the Internet, ideas and self-awareness have given way to bias and pettiness, and bad manners no longer raise an eyebrow.
    Reason and tolerance are hiding from the onslaught.
    
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    February 13, 2020 9:16am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Good response but, in this case, it is explained by Mallard being a bullying thug.
      
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      February 13, 2020 12:07pm
Tall Man

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/02/rio-tinto-s-behaviour-disgraceful-david-parker-says.html

“Let’s shut down all industry before we get voted out”……..
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February 13, 2020 8:16am
- SJ Actual
  
  From what I understand – Rio Tino paid a company to take the waste at which point its ownership transferred. That company then went bankrupt. While the waste came from Rio Tinto originally, they are no longer the owner. I can understand why they are not keen to retake ownership.
  Similar to Tamarind in Taranaki.
  
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  February 13, 2020 8:30am
  - KH
    
    The company that took the Rio Tinto waste was always going to disappear with the cash and the job not completed.
    Just like the crooks who take car tyres for ‘safe disposal’ but really just dump them somewhere.
    Rio Tinto has a responsibility to make sure the company they paid was not doing this.
    At the same time anybody who observed this from the outside could see this was going to happen.
    In my view Rio Tinto is still on the hook.
    
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    February 13, 2020 10:28am
  - info@cruzpro.com
    
    Rio Tinto hired a company to dispose of the waste legally. They didn’t do the job they were paid for. Rio Tinto got screwed but is still legally responsible for the waste.
    
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    February 13, 2020 1:14pm
- tedbear
  
  Hey David, before you have a go at the likes of Rio Tinto, it would be a good idea to clean up your own backyard first, sooo how come your lot’s promise of making all rivers swimmable hasn’t come to pass?
  
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  February 13, 2020 8:38am
  - Simon Gotlieb
    
    Silly question really. You can’t clean up polluted rivers overnight.
    
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    February 13, 2020 1:39pm
    - tedbear
      
      Why not?
      This govt told us they could :
      -build 10,000 kiwibuild houses a year
      – house all the homeless before winter 2018
      – get the road toll down to zero
      – get lots more teachers
      – get lots more doctors
      – get lots more nurses
      – get lots more police
      – solve poverty
      – make houses affordable
      – have zero carbon pollution
      Surely cleaning the muck out of rivers is much easier than all that.
      
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      February 13, 2020 3:30pm
    - toby1845
      
      Just like you can’t mow lawns overnight, Simon.
      
      Taking of which, when are you mowing yours?
      
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      February 13, 2020 9:16pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  Bit puzzled by this comment and the upticks. Did you read the article? How did you get from that to the conclusion that, in this instance, the industry is in the right and the Government in the wrong?
  
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  February 13, 2020 8:51am
  - Tall Man
    
    Because albert it is the failure of another company, not Rio Tinto.
    
    If you sell your car to me and 2 years later I get a ticket for no wof ….. Is that your problem?
    
    Before going public or politicising the issue perhaps parker should engage his big boy brain and work towards a solution rather than threaten.
    
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    February 13, 2020 9:24am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Parker and big boys brain in the same sentence, what a larf mate!
      
      ‘It might be 2 cents’ threatened Parker.
      
      The man is a knob.
      
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      February 13, 2020 12:10pm
- Sydney Alvarado
  
  “Rio Tinto thought it had dealt with the problem when it paid Bahrain’s Taha Industries to take the dross off its hands in 2014.”
  
  That may mean that Rio Tinto has no liability. Depends whether it sold the waste to Taha or contracted them to dispose of the waste. Anyway it is a regional council issue. Why is the government interfering? And why are we paying $1 million towards the clean up?
  
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  February 13, 2020 8:57am
- toby1845
  
  Is this the same David Parker who was stood down by Helen Clark while he was investigated for tax evasion?
  
  And Chris Knox’s best mate? That David Parker?
  
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  February 13, 2020 9:20pm
  - Vory v zakone
    
    #NotGivenLightly
    
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    February 14, 2020 12:12am
Tall Man

Also good to see the media supporting ardern in their attempt to get her back into power so they can latch onto a bit of corporate welfare.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/02/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-praised-for-legendary-instagram-response.html
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February 13, 2020 8:19am
- Charmaine Hawke
  
  I am hopeful our PM may discover in September that Instagram, like Twitter and Facebook are not real life.
  
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  February 13, 2020 9:17am
  - Stephieboy2
    
    Try telling that to the US President!
    
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    February 13, 2020 10:44am
    - rouppe
      
      Twitter is President Trump’s laser pointer.
      
      The Democrats are the cats
      
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      February 13, 2020 11:09am
- DeepBlue
  
  Legendary? All she did was reply to a comment on her tweet.
  
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  February 13, 2020 9:40am
  - Tall Man
    
    Yep she replied … with lies.
    
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    February 13, 2020 10:14am
    - tavita
      
      Were they lies? According to the statistics, unemployment has gone down. Yes at the same time the number on the benefit has gone up so the statistic is not telling the true position. Nevertheless unemployment is apparently down. I agree with most people on this blog that the col are the pits and must go, so I am surprised how well the economy is holding up.
      
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      February 13, 2020 7:28pm
- alex Masterley
  
  I couldn’t see what the point of the piece was other to demonstrate the depths to which the Horrid has sunk.
  No wonder it haemorages readers with that dross.
  Anyway the instagram thingy would have been done by an oik in the PM’s office not the PM herself.
  
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  February 13, 2020 9:45am
Ruahine

Deja vu
https://natlib.govt.nz/records/23059670?search%5Bi%5D%5Bsubject%5D=Skis+and+skiing&search%5Bil%5D%5Bcreator%5D=Not+specified&search%5Bpath%5D=photos
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February 13, 2020 8:20am
Yvette

Here I sit, this morning’s slow
So thoughts just come and go
But consider one, Ihumātao
As petitions relentlessly grow
Not for the land, but FM radio
Concert Programme, great support
Clark and Cullen, who’d have thought
Kiri te Kanawa’s poke at All Black sport
But Government’s found more FM space
So Concert Programme still has a place
Speedy solution, amazing pace
Way to go – just a pity, it ain’t so
When it comes to Ihumātao

Blurp! plop! – Oh, there I go.

Sorry about the last line, if you didn’t need it
Should it offend, just pretend, like Tarrant’s rant
You didn’t read it
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February 13, 2020 8:23am
stinkypete

from facebook live

and now ill select a random question from a.. lets see the name here ah.. yes a completely random member of the public named Mr Peter Winestone
“dear mr peters why is your hair so awesome”
well Peter i’m glad you asked me that…….

lolz
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February 13, 2020 8:26am
Bill felt

Some common sense to the SFO Peters allegations

From Peter Dunne:
“However, where there have been previous cases of allegations being made against Ministers being investigated by either the Police or other law enforcement agencies, the practice under successive governments has normally been for the Minister to stand aside until the matter has been resolved. Under the Helen Clark Labour-led government, for example, this happened to Ministers Samuels, Field, Dalziel, Dyson, Parker, and even Peters at various stages.

Based on that precedent, it would not be unreasonable to expect it to now apply to the Deputy Prime Minister pending the outcome of the Serious Fraud Office investigation. However, the current Prime Minister is no Helen Clark, so will not act. Indeed, she has gone so far as to express, albeit after some media prodding, confidence in the Deputy Prime Minister, and to reject all calls for her intervention. Of course, it would be extremely politically difficult for her to do so, given the threat potentially posed to the maintenance of her coalition. But it is inevitable that any stench of taint that lingers from the New Zealand First Foundation investigations will eventually envelope her as well, her current distancing and inaction notwithstanding.

The overall impression left by each of these cases is that while Labour talks big about transparency and accountability it quickly retreats into its shell whenever challenged to match the rhetoric with action.”
source: Dunne Speaks
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February 13, 2020 8:30am
- DRHILL
  
  Remember that time John Key suspended an MP while being investigated for charging 2 bottles of wine to the public. It shows how low the bar was for National (and how high it is for Labor).
  
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  February 13, 2020 9:18am
  - Tall Man
    
    Sorry to disagree with you but there is no bar with labour.
    
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    February 13, 2020 10:21am
    - Local Miller
      
      On the contrary, I think they have brought the bar right into the party, starting with Liebour Youth
      
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      February 13, 2020 12:03pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    ‘Do you know who I am’ went down a treat as i recall.
    
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    February 13, 2020 12:17pm
Andrei

When wokes take charge ads go very very wrong
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February 13, 2020 8:32am
- Charmaine Hawke
  
  That is so depressing watching a culture die in real time
  
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  February 13, 2020 9:21am
  - Ruawai
    
    So if it is so good to have coloured people in Scandinavia why was it so bad to have white people in Africa.
    
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    February 13, 2020 10:52am
  - Stephieboy2
    
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    Rubbish!
    
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    February 13, 2020 11:08am
    - Komata
      
      SB@1108
      
      No, ‘fraid not, the ‘Whites’ either take theirs with them or arrange for its (usually safe) disposal; the ‘indigenous’ tend to live in the middle of it and can’t be bothered taking the necessary ‘disposing’ actions…
      
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      February 13, 2020 2:14pm
- Swifty
  
  Thanks Andrei.
  
  Unbelievable.
  
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  February 13, 2020 9:26am
- pb
  
  That is pure propoganda being jammed down their throats. In countries where the new religion is socialism, they cannot complain about the obvious problems. Complaining against the new social order is considered hate speech, or blasphemy. Socialism is the only thing the Scands have, isn’t it? It must be working. Just ask Greta. Soldier guard dogs of the new religion instantly attack in pre-programmed routines and vilify and hate and ostracise. Christianity was ditched as an archaic pagan thing. Sweden ditched their state religion in 2000. Now they watch as their countries culture dies. Even though Christians make up 60% of the population, they are as prisoners in their own land. This problem is entrenched in many European countries and sneaking drip by drip into New Zealand, pushed by insane zealots in positions of cultural authority. It is a deliberate planned attack. Speak up and fight for what you love.
  
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  February 13, 2020 10:12am
  - Stephieboy2
    
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    “Now they watch as their countries culture dies. Even though Christians make up 60% of the population…”
    
    Highly debatable!
    
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    February 13, 2020 11:09am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Mein Gott! You are right stephieboy… it’s not 60%
      
      c. 70% of Scandis are Christian
      
      Sweden -67%
      Norway – 77%
      Finland – 71%
      Denmark – 73%
      
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      February 13, 2020 11:30am
      - Stephieboy2
        
        MW, I would say with confidence largely nominal membership so your stats are rather meaningless.
        
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        February 13, 2020 12:09pm
      - Swifty
        
        A number of studies put atheism in Sweden at close to 80%.
        
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        February 13, 2020 12:27pm
      - freethinker
        
        [Mod. The second time today you have used inappropriate casual racist terms. Do it again and I will be recommending a ban to DPF.]
        
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        February 13, 2020 12:45pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @SB
        
        I would say with confidence what you say is largely meaningless.
        
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        February 13, 2020 1:09pm
  - Ruahine
    
    In Sweden it is Socialism today and Mohamadism tomorrow. It is about birth rates.
    
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    February 13, 2020 11:36am
- Inandout
  
  Andrei, you can blame long winters and little vitamin D. The Scandies as immigrants are generally wonderful people, but in their homeland…
  
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  February 13, 2020 10:14am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  They should have shown a bunch of folks talking & blocking doorways/aisles/entrances…..
  
  that’s uniquely Scandi isn’t it?
  
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  February 13, 2020 10:14am
- Stephieboy2
  
  What is precisely so very wrong with modern day Scandanavia ?
  
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  February 13, 2020 11:07am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Their citizens block doorways.
    
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    February 13, 2020 11:31am
    - Garbageman
      
      Some of their newer citizens are quite fond of grenades as well
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Sweden
      
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      February 13, 2020 12:23pm
      - Stephieboy2
        
        Why did you forget Anders Brevik!
        
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        February 13, 2020 4:28pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      Unlike Stiphie who trys to block meaningful debate.
      
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      February 13, 2020 1:11pm
  - Komata
    
    SB@1107
    
    Re: ‘What is precisely so very wrong with modern day Scandanavia’?
    
    Short answer: The North African and Levantine imports that have arrived in the area within the last three-five years…
    
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    February 13, 2020 2:21pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Stuffy is an ignorant twit. Just read up on how women, homosexuals and apostates in scandinavian countries are being treated by islamists. Just a few gems on wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Sweden#Salafi
    
    “Investigating journalists at TV4 reported that self-appointed morality police in migrant areas such as Rinkeby, Tensta, Husby and Hjulsta harass women for wearing skirts, owning dogs or going out alone without the company of a male.[107][108] The phenomenon has also been reported in the Brandkärr district of Nyköping according to a report by the municipality.[109]”
    
    “Investigative journalism uncovers discrimination against women
    In 2012, the SVT program Uppdrag granskning visited 10 mosques once with a hidden camera and once with a visible camera. When the representatives were aware of being filmed, they stated that they supported values such as gender equality; however, when two undercover journalists posed as Muslim women with difficulties in their marriage, the answers from the majority of the visited imams were different. The imams told the women that they were expected to sleep with their husbands even if they did not want to and that they were to accept being beaten, and strongly discouraged them from going to the police. Since about half of the visited mosques receive state or local funding, they are expected to promote basic values of Swedish society, such as equal rights between genders and to counteract discrimination and violence.[115]”
    
    “In May 2015, radical preacher Said Rageahs was invited to the mosque in Gävle where he promoted the views that whomever insults Mohammed should be killed along with apostates and advocated segregation between Muslims and non-Muslims.[120] The local imams at Gävle mosque ran the webpage muslim.se which espoused similar views (with the death penalty for homosexuality added) and according to islamologist Jan Hjärpe at Lund University their views are typical of the Wahhabi.[121]”
    
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    February 13, 2020 6:25pm
    - Stephieboy2
      
      Lets begin here rather than your vague allegations,
      
      Crime in Sweden, Part III: Does Sweden Have ‘No-Go Zones’ Where the Police Can’t Enter?
      Swedish police have identified “problem areas,” but say there is no such thing as a “no-go zone.”
      
      BETHANIA PALMA
      
      There are “no-go zones” in Sweden where the police can’t enter.
      
      False X
      
      “This is Part III of a three-part series about crime in Sweden. Read Part I “Is Sweden the ‘Rape Capital’ of Europe” and Part II, “Are Refugee Men Overrepresented in Swedish Crime?”
      
      One of the most persistent myths about crime in Sweden is that some areas are so dangerous due to outlaw asylum seekers that police can’t enter them. For example, U.K.-based tabloid Express wrote on 12 February 2017:
      
      The shocking attack [of bottles being thrown at police] on the on-duty officers is just one of many incidents, as officials have placed more than 50 areas on a ‘no-go zone’ list where they admit they do not have control.
      
      Lawless thugs are wreaking havoc unchecked, and officers are often at personal risk when entering the crisis-hit areas….”
      
      https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/sweden-crime-no-go-zone-police/
      
      Why Sweden is NOT the ‘rape capital of the world’
      
      Is Sweden really a ‘rape capital’ as repeatedly suggested by sections of the international media? The Local consulted experts to get to the bottom of the matter
      
      In short, the answer is no. …”
      
      https://www.thelocal.se/20170221/why-sweden-is-not-the-rape-capital-of-the-world
      
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      February 13, 2020 7:18pm
wreck1080

https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2020/02/it-appears-us-has-a-smoking-gun-confirming-huawei-built-spy-backdoors/

It Appears U.S. Has A ‘Smoking Gun’ Confirming Huawei-Built Spy Backdoors

Proof is being presented to allies , behind closed doors.

I’ll consider this convincing if the UK goes on to cancel Huawei upgrades.

DPF has received free trips from Huawei, will be interesting to see his response if this goes further.
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February 13, 2020 8:33am
- JackRabbit
  
  Nothing would be surprising about that news, since all Chinese domestic or Chinese branded technology is state controlled.
  
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  February 13, 2020 1:13pm
- Simon Gotlieb
  
  Can you put your hand on your heart and claim that there is zero possibility Apple or Motorola haven’t done the same for the US government?
  
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  February 13, 2020 1:43pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Very unlikely. But even so, US is not in the same league of evil as Chinese. Genocidal concentration camps, state sponsored industrial espionage, organ harvesting of politically awkward people, about to kill a few 10’s of millions around the world because of their lies about Wuflu infection rates and spread. US are mostly a force for good in the world – responsible for 75 years of relative peace and prosperity.
    
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    February 13, 2020 6:21pm
  - curry4me
    
    Apple have refused to allow the CIA to look inside the cell phones of dead terrorists. They want to preserve their brand. Anyhow, the CIA got an Israeli firm to do the job for them.
    
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    February 13, 2020 9:02pm
Tall Man

What a surprise, the child mp swarbrick only wants to talk about herself and doesn’t read books …

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2020/02/12/1031945/atwood-swarbrick-and-an-expensive-waste-of-everyones-time
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February 13, 2020 8:38am
- John Warren
  
  Harsh! Good on Paula Morris for getting stuck in.
  
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  February 13, 2020 9:37am
- freethinker
  
  TM – There is no direct connection between her eyes and the cognitive section of her brain and her ears have a selective filter, her mouth however has a direct connection to her large intestine which may explain a lot of things.
  
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  February 13, 2020 12:09pm
Nickc2

The Peter’s problem. If financial donations are made to a Political Party, I assume doner’s names etc are given anonymity. On the other hand, if financial donations are made to a Political Foundation, does the same anonymity apply?
Just asking, I don’t know.
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February 13, 2020 8:42am
- peterwn
  
  Donations can be anonymous as long as the donor gives a party less than $15000.01 per year, and the NZ First party abides by this with respect to the party (as distinct from the Foundation). A donor can give $15000 to each of Labour, Green and NZF per year and not fall foul of the law.
  Winston seems to be arguing that all donations should be treated as anonymous. He has the problem that significant donors and NZF do not want these donations to be publically known. Wonder why? Think Kermedecs, beautiful horses etc.
  
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  February 13, 2020 9:10am
  - Nickc2
    
    Thanks Peterwn, you have kind of answered what I wanted to know. You raised a couple of interesting points. First, only one $15,000.00 donation PA and secondly Winston’s attempt to screw the political scrum with regard to donations to a Political Foundation being afforded the same anonymity as donations to a Political Party.
    
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    February 13, 2020 9:56am
    - rouppe
      
      The thing here is that at least one donor made a $15,000 donation, and also one or two entities that person owned also made $15,000 donations.
      
      I THINK it is unlawful for donations to be split among entities in order to remain under the disclose limit.
      
      Similarly I can’t give $5,000 to 4 people to each donate in their names.
      
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      February 13, 2020 11:27am
- KevO'Brien
  
  That depends on the law. Peters & Co seem adroit at making their concerns work: if the law as presently written needs to be avoided so be it. This is a common attitude among commercial lawyers and tax lawyers who see their duty to fulfil their clients desires seeking interpretations which are favourable or concocting scheme or arrangements which avoid the law. They don’t break it but show no respect for the present intent that others are expected to follow.
  The Winebox schemes which Winston rightly unearthed were a good example. Has once what Winston considered improper now become proper? Hypocrisy?
  
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  February 13, 2020 9:49am
  - sooty
    
    Whinestone bought the whine box as bad and now has reinvented the same whinebox by a different name! Leopard spots!
    
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    February 13, 2020 12:09pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    “…arrangements which avoid the law. They don’t break it but…”
    
    Actually they do break it. Read the Crimes Act. It actually covers this.
    
    Many lawyers understand commercial law and base decisions on it, and thus skirt around what they believe is solely commercial law. Most however are not acquainted with the Crimes Act or its wide reaching girth.
    
    None of what Peters has done with the Foundation is covered by commercial law or trust law. It is all breaches of the Crimes Act. It is an intention to deceive, and in this case the deception embodies the actions and the underlying intention because Peters should have known given his background, the donation agreements he has to abide by with the Electoral Commission for his entire political career, and the fact that he was roasted over it in 2008.
    
    Despite Winston having solicited donations that would have gone to the foundation, he claims that he “knew nothing about it”. If we accept that at face value then Winston will need co-operate with the Police and SFO, into an investigation of fraud and embezzlement by the Foundation.
    
    If Winston “truly” believes he knew nothing about it, then the Foundation controllers need to be behind bars for fraud and embezzlement, and all donations to the Foundation returned.
    
    Since Fraud and Embezzlement has occurred, Winston either needs to own up to it, or roll over on his Foundation mates.
    
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    February 13, 2020 1:49pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Ouch! Could this mean that his party entered parliament illegally? I assume intent has to be proven?
      If his lot did enter parliament illegally, does that mean that any law(s) invoked with his parties votes could be declared void by the Supreme Court of other authority?
      Keep going people, I think you are enlightening a lot of us.
      
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      February 13, 2020 2:30pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        As a practical thing they would never walk back all the decisions and law made by two years of govt.
        
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        February 13, 2020 6:23pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      You don’t see prosecutions for crimes when you can’t prove intent to commit a crime. A tax matter may be borderline and the assessment argued in Court but generous interpretation has been commended on the basis that the rights of the State to impact citizens is limited and those cases test what the actual boundaries are. That keeps the Govt contained too.
      
      We are sensing concerning conduct. Others are charged with the duty of examining its legality.
      From a Deputy Prime Minister this is most peculiar. His duty is to support the legal status quo not to be seen promoting taking hits at it. That would apply to all MP’s.
      Reprehensible is an inadequate description.
      
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      February 13, 2020 6:47pm
hullkiwi

Previously, I have written about my concerns about the ACT party Deputy leader and the damage she is doing to the party’s cause in her own home area of Rodney.

Yesterday, she did it again.

Please David Garrett and Matthew Hooton or anyone with influence on the ACT list, the current ACT deputy leader must be replaced she is losing the party’s natural voter base.

Yesterday, was a case of someone on a Puhoi Facebook page seeking Houlbrooke’s support to help the community discuss with NX2 (the contractors building the northern motorway) the forthcoming closure of access to the village at 9pm at night to place the gorders on the viaduct. The problem is the access point is the only safe driving access point to Puhoi at night.

Houlbrooke wasn’t interested in helping and got derogatory towards one poster who pointed out her job as a local Board councillor. She then got in a huff and left the group.

Discussion ended with locals saying “and she wants to be a MP” and ” Guess who we will not be voting for.?”

ACT cannot afford this. This is typical of how Houlbrooke behaves and on a national scale she will be a disaster each time someone appears critical.

The party needs a new deputy and she should not be on the list.
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February 13, 2020 8:55am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  you can get to Puhoi round the back way – just takes an extra 15 minutes. Suck it up its a temporary inconvenience.
  
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  February 13, 2020 6:27pm
Sir Cullen's Sidekick

Cindy’s new strategy – “We need more time to make progress and finish the good work we have started”. Wait for her fans planted inside MSM to start writing puff pieces supporting this strategy and the sheeple to fall for it. Oh Jacinda, she is so lovely and doing so much for us. This country deserves this.
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February 13, 2020 9:14am
- alloytoo
  
  What good work?
  
  Bill English should have been granted more time to finish the excellent work he started.
  
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  February 13, 2020 11:52am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    After nine long years of rebuilding shattered parts of New Zealand, sailing into the headwinds of a global financial crisis to emerge without one person losing a penny of their ‘benefits’ and, building a platform to move forward to improve the lot of ALL New Zealanders
    
    And what did we get?
    
    A vacous bobble head in a hijab . . .
    
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    February 13, 2020 1:24pm
- Komata
  
  Sir Cullen@0914
  
  Re: ‘ Oh Jacinda, she is so lovely and doing so much for us’.
  
  Or, as a lady of my acquaintance said to me recently, ‘Cindy is so RELATABLE!!
  
  As the lady concerned has been a long-time Nats’ voter I really couldn’t believe my ears, and while she was still going to vote for Simon, apparently she could ’empathise’ with Jacinda!!
  
  The things we learn…
  
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  February 13, 2020 2:32pm
cmm

Yet again we have a story about a child beaten into Starship and any prosecution seems to just be optional.

Part of the brain damage is irreversible. The boy’s life is destroyed. This is pretty much as bad as murder.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/119476622/its-breaking-my-heart-karakia-for-severely-beaten-boy

“Up to four or five family members were with him that day – including his parents and other children at different points.”

Well then they were all bloody guilty to some extent or another. Lock them all up!
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February 13, 2020 9:15am
- Inandout
  
  cmm, read ‘cone of silence’, Police can’t do a thing.
  
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  February 13, 2020 9:23am
  - John Warren
    
    Then do what my Mum used to do. When the cone of silence descended over her kids, she’d put us all in the naughty corner until the innocent parties thrashed the culprit into confessing.
    
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    February 13, 2020 10:29am
  - Lizziep
    
    Actually Police can do something they could place the whole family under arrest until the guilty person fesses up. Yes they should all be locked up, it is time this dreadful violence against children stops. If the police don’t take measures this is going to descend into yet another Kahui twins debacle. A karakia is of absolutely no use what so ever. They have them every time a child is either killed or abused so badly they are incapacitated for life. Its done nothing so far the marches and karakias etc. Where were the hell were the neighbours? Abuse is not silent and someone must have heard what was going on.
    
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    February 13, 2020 11:04am
  - rouppe
    
    One would think that if there is an obvious assault, and known people they’re at the time, and none of them talk, then they are all “party” to the assault, as they neither inform authorities of the perpetrator nor helped protect the victim.
    
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    February 13, 2020 11:40am
- Clyde
  
  Just how many maori kids need to be murdered or maimed before it is deemed to be unacceptable? Just how many maori parents who don’t give a shit about their kids can get away with refusing to cooperate with Police? Just how many people like Kelvin Davis and that Dame Turiana woman continue to offer the now totally lame excuse for unacceptable personal behaviour on colonisation? Just how many gangs can act with impunity while battling over the drug trade? Just when will a politician stand up and break this absolute travesty of social engineering and gravy train wanting us to accept the unacceptable? I’ve had enough. Have you?
  
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  February 13, 2020 9:27am
  - tf78
    
    There is NO excuse for child abuse – penalties for animal abuse seem tougher than that for children. People on a benefit should not be able to have more children and have compulsory contraception – no ifs, no buts.
    
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    February 13, 2020 10:06am
    - sooty
      
      Can someone tell us what the tribal elders are doing about this problem?
      
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      February 13, 2020 12:14pm
      - Clyde
        
        Not a bloody thing. Far better to practice walking slowly with a carved stick being surrounded by younger people poking out their tongues and waving sticks. Does anyone really believe that these murderers and beaters of kids have any respect for their “elders”? The only thing that would bring them to heel is to face some of what they dealt out to their kids.
        
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        February 13, 2020 12:54pm
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Pania Newton showed how much respect for the elders decisions?
        
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        February 13, 2020 1:27pm
- Tricati
  
  Parents should be charged for failing to provide Appropriate care & protection for the poor young lad – They are all culpable and this ‘right to silence’ crap needs to stop
  
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  February 13, 2020 9:37am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Sounds like a re-run of the Kahui case.
  
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  February 13, 2020 9:37am
  - cmm
    
    or any one of the dozen of cases since then.
    
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    February 13, 2020 9:42am
- BullyHayes
  
  possibly the best result that could be hoped for now is that the child doesnt survive, and someone in the family is brave enough to step forward with some information that leads to a murder prosecution.
  
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  February 13, 2020 9:46am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It seems likely from his injuries that he was beaten over a number of days – not a one-off.
  
  He said the boy suffered a sustained beating – possibly over days.
  
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  February 13, 2020 11:00am
- Local Miller
  
  Wasn’t legislation put in place to handle this situation after the Kahui twins cone of silence? Something along the line of all those present possibly being charged with being accessories to a crime.
  
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  February 13, 2020 12:23pm
- cmm
  
  I refuse to wear a white ribbon. If it was a more honest brown ribbon, I’d wear that.
  
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  February 13, 2020 1:23pm
Sir Cullen's Sidekick

“Salvation Army unimpressed by government’s year of delivery” – Well if the branch of Labour party is not impressed with Cindy’s performance, why Sheeple are still voting for it??
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February 13, 2020 9:16am
- hullkiwi
  
  Because she is at least trying.
  
  If you follow the Labour Party line.
  
  She is at least caring and trying to do something, which is more than the nasty National Party government ever did. Then the MSM repeat, so fake truth becomes general misinformation to the sheeple…..and vote for her they will (until they realise they have been screwed over too!)
  
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  February 13, 2020 11:53am
cas

Yesterday I was driving along the Tauranga expressway which has a cycle lane beside it and blow me down there were two cyclists on it. So all the times I have driven it I would have seen about five cyclists total. I was never any good at maths but it’s probably at least $1 million per cyclist. It would be good if people could do surveys of the numbers of cyclists on things like that pink one in Auckland and then work out how much the ratepayer or taxpayer pays for the little use that is made of them.
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February 13, 2020 9:17am
- Fletch
  
  TBH, an expressway is no place for cyclists anyway and those lanes take up extra space that could be used by cars.
  
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  February 13, 2020 10:15am
- NoCash
  
  Build and they will come… elementary, my dear cas.
  
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  February 13, 2020 10:21am
hookerphil

My daughter is a teacher at an International School in Nanjing – 536 km from Wuhang. Originally the school opening was pushed at twice to February 10th, now possibly March 2nd. The laws are getting tougher, home quarantine for anyone returning, many Embassies are suggesting people stay out of China.
They now need a permit to freely leave and enter their housing compound, in one area that is restricted to only one person per family and only once per day.
Overall it looks like they need to buckle in for a decent home detention sentence.
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February 13, 2020 9:20am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Oh, but didn’t you hear? the PRC is totally on top of it and infection rates are falling, and hospitals and crematoriums aren’t overflowing, and it is totally contained and all tickity boo.
  
  China has lost control, it is everywhere and growing unstoppably. 1-2% death rate providing there is good hospital treatment available, but with numbers sick there isn’t.
  
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  February 13, 2020 10:45am
lastmanstanding

If we had politicians with long term vision they would build a 4 or 6 lane highway from Kaitaia to Bluff including a bridge or tunnel across Cook Strait.
Interest rates have never been lower. the western world is awash with cash looking for a safe good home.

A PPP would be easily funded.

Some examples of past vision failure.

1. The US company that built the Sydney Harbour Bridge in the late 1920’s offered to build a replica over the Auckland harbour employing local labour ( it was the Depression with most men out of work).

It wouldnt have cost the Government anything. The builders offered to agree a toll for 30 years and maintain the bridge and then turn it over to the Government at the end of that time. The Government said NO. Wasnt needed.

2. When the US entered WW2 at the end of 1941 the US Government asked to build a 4 lane concrete highway from Auckland to Wellington to transport troops and supplies.

The Government said NO.

We are damned with people who get themselves elected with a 3 year vision to get re-elected.

A plague of all their houses.
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February 13, 2020 9:22am
- Scott
  
  last man standing – totally agree. On my holiday in the South Island this summer I was struck by how bad the road is from Picton down to Christchurch. This is State Highway one – our main artery.
  
  I think all the money that is spent on welfare and foreign aid and treaty settlements should be bundled up and spend on a good road that goes the length of the country. Good transport links would help our country’s economy and prosperity no end!
  
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  February 13, 2020 9:39am
  - Ian Boag
    
    A few numbers …
    
    4-lane roads cost about $30m/km give or take a bit (Kapiti Expressway and Transmission Gulley). Not sure what the cost of a 6-laner would be other than “more”. Anyway – Picton-Bluff is about 1000km and Wellington to Kaitaia is about the same That’s $60bn for a 4-laner. God know what a cross-strait structure would cost …
    
    To put $60bn into perspective – the total annual budget is about $80bn. Welfare is $30bn (half of that is the pension). Health is about $15bn and education is about the same.
    
    So this 4-lane road N-S might be a bit aspirational ….
    
    AFAIK, treaty settlements are in the tens of millions. Small change compared to these numbers.
    
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    February 13, 2020 10:59am
    - mark15
      
      You only have to build it once
      
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      February 13, 2020 11:25am
      - Stephieboy2
        
        build it once ?Um not forgetting on going mainatence like resealing and upgrades!
        
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        February 13, 2020 12:15pm
    - freethinker
      
      A Cook straight bridge should be considered, Denmark & Sweden are connected by one and China built one 120 Miles long and even Boris is planning one to link Scotland to Ireland. TheUS has bridges connecting the Florida Keys so it can be done and the cost should include savings for transport use, but for Gods sake don’t let Twyford anywhere near it.
      
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      February 13, 2020 12:29pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        I have no argument with “should be considered” – does anyone have an example that could be used to get a (wildly approximate ) estimate of what it might cost?
        
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        February 13, 2020 12:37pm
      - freethinker
        
        Ian – I would ask the Danes/Chinese/Yanks and update the cost by inflation and a generous contingency allowance as a start. Could even consider a rail line so Auckland to Invercargill direct becomes viable for bulk with drop offs/pick ups on the way – could save considerable $ on road freight fuel/trucks/manpower/roads. It would be ambitious even an “Aspiration” but worthy of a look. Piggies think big has not been a failure long term!
        
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        February 13, 2020 12:54pm
      - Lance
        
        Even more than Shane’s’ porn bill
        
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        February 13, 2020 12:58pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        A tunnel is somewhere between $500M – $1B per kilometre and best fit length is over 60 km. Bridge is cheaper (possibly !) but geologically and structurally challenging – and the weather/climate is seriously challenging.
        
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        February 13, 2020 1:10pm
  - Stephieboy2
    
    I think the Kaikoura earthquake would of soaked up a considerable amount in road and rail infrastructure expenditure .
    
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    February 13, 2020 12:13pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  The Sydney HB was built by Dorman Long and the steel was sent from the UK on vessels of the Port Line.
  
  It was so well loaded that they had to send stevedores out from the UK to advise the Sydney wharfies!!!
  
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  February 13, 2020 9:46am
- SGA
  
  including a bridge or tunnel across Cook Strait.
  
  Both would be at risk in a decent earthquake, wouldn’t they? And I imagine that bridge that long, that high (to allow shipping though), and able to withstand the weather that rips through there, would come with a pretty price tag.
  Any engineers care to comment?
  
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  February 13, 2020 10:41am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Any idea of a bridge or tunnel across Cook Straight is fanciful in the extreme because of:
    1. The depth of the water.
    2. The weather.
    It will never happen.
    
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    February 13, 2020 10:52am
    - Stephieboy2
      
      They did it with this tunnel,
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seikan_Tunnel
      
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      February 13, 2020 11:05am
      - peterwn
        
        And the Hong Kong-Zhuhai bridge/tunnel across the Pearl River Delta.
        
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        February 13, 2020 12:00pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        Stiphe, Japan has 26 times the population of NZ and 23 times the GDP. Our tunnel would need to be five times the length and would require twice the diameter if you want cars to use it, and would require a substantial roading infrastructure at either end. If you diverted as much as 2% of the NZ GDP to build it, it would take 80 years of saving to be able to build it, by which time costs would have risen 500%. There are better ways.
        
        https://www.rome2rio.com/s/Wellington/Blenheim
        
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        February 13, 2020 2:11pm
      - Stephieboy2
        
        JackRabbit , we can only but try with Swiss, Thai and Jap and Chinese know-how,
        
        Gotthard Base Tunnel
        Under construction since 2002 and opened on 1 June 2016, the Gotthard Base Tunnel (a second rail tunnel, 57 km [35 mi] long), is the world’s longest. It was built for the use of trains travelling from northern Switzerland to the Ticino area and beyond.
        en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Gotthard_Road_Tunnel
        Gotthard Road Tunnel – Wikipedia
        
        Plus, plus ,
        
        https://www.livescience.com/34448-worlds-longest-bridge.html
        
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        February 13, 2020 10:10pm
    - Tall Man
      
      The fault line.
      
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      February 13, 2020 11:13am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        The active fault lines
        
        https://www.gns.cri.nz/Home/IOF/It-s-Our-Fault/Cook-Strait-fault-map
        
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        February 13, 2020 12:09pm
    - freethinker
      
      Captn – The shortest distance between Scotland & Ireland is 12 Miles and the Irish sea is pretty rough as it also a natural funnel like Cook straight so if Boris does build a bridge then definitely worth a look although the Quake Fault may be a killer.
      
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      February 13, 2020 1:00pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Yes the fault is a factor, but so is the relative population of UK vs NZ and the number of taxpayers to fund it.
        
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        February 13, 2020 1:53pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      Could be done, as the Japanese tunnel shows going down over 200 m is feasible. It would be long though, the shortest length is impractical as Arapawa Island is an unsuitable point to emerge. Best route probably goes from Wellington direct to near Blenheim – that’s over 60 Km. Otherwise an enormous set of access works would be needed. Tectonic instability would be a serious concern, the Japanese tunnel actually has two safety outlets at around 1/3 and 2/3 along the tunnel – would not be possible under Cook Strait.
      
      Possible, but I suspect a pipe-dream given the cost, complex geology with the fault lines, and the length (adds a lot to cost). Bridge would be cheaper but has some of the same access issues and stability issues.
      
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      February 13, 2020 1:09pm
- Ian Boag
  
  @lastman
  
  The US company that built the Sydney Harbour Bridge in the late 1920’s offered to build a replica over the Auckland harbour …
  
  When the US entered WW2 at the end of 1941 the US Government asked to build a 4 lane concrete highway from Auckland to Wellington …
  
  My google attempts to find references to these were unsuccessful. Can you help?
  
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  February 13, 2020 11:08am
  - MCos
    
    That’s because it never happened.
    Nor were most men unemployed. Maybe 20%
    Nor did the Americans offer to build a road tunnel to the Wairarapa.
    https://www.google.co.nz/amp/s/www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/02/did-the-us-military-offer-to-build-a-motorway-between-auckland-and-wellington-in-1942.amp.html
    
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    February 13, 2020 11:25am
- Komata
  
  Lastman@0922
  
  There were numerous other examples during WWII, with one of the most notable being the Motohora-Taneatua railway, which the Amewricans were quite prepared to construct.
  
  ‘London’ decreed that as it wasn’t being built by ‘British’ organisations (and because they loathed the Americans and feared expanding US influence in the Pacific) decreed that it wasn’t to go ahead.
  
  MJ Savage et al (and all Labour BTW) rolled over, so no railway.
  
  The Yanks looked on in disbelief, shrugged and walked away; definitely an opportunity lost on the rocks of ‘ideology’ and imperial aggrandisement.
  
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  February 13, 2020 2:45pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    Again. My google attempts to find references to this offer and refusal were unsuccessful. Can you help?
    
    I did end up ratting round in late 30’s and early 40’s Hansard which was quite entertaining.
    
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    February 13, 2020 3:43pm
Yvette

“I’ve been a recipient of Sealord’s and the Dalmation leadership in terms of fisheries, and I resent any suggestion that decisions or statements I make about fisheries are driven because of donations. – Shane Jones [1]

It could still be interesting to see a full analysis of the Kermadecs Ocean Reserve timeline and the donations Shanes alludes to.

[1] https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/409384/winston-peters-on-foundation-donations-you-ll-have-your-answers
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And given the technical precision that renders no connection between speculation that $18,000 was roughly what Peters repaid in super over-payments and the actual figure of $17,936.43, what should be made of the headline: Winston Peters on Foundation donations: ‘I did not receive any money’ ?

Should that question not be “Did Winston or his party receive any benefit or service from the Foundation, if not money?”
And if not, what has the Foundation done with money
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February 13, 2020 9:23am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Expect the money to be invested. Is this the capital source for some the commercial schemes floating around in the North and for which Govt funding was also sought.
  Capital funds can be very attractive to some people as it can give them access to play money and Directorships. It is not always the body of the funds which are important but the power arising out of the opportunity for investment. Imagine what it could do politically in the Far North–possible alignments with Nga Puhi, who haven’t yet had their first expected monster Waitangi payout.
  
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  February 13, 2020 10:04am
Happychappy

Peters seems to contradict himself on Facebook last evening answering questions on the on the controversial donations to the NZ First Foundation.
In one paragraph he says he has nothing to do with the Foundation saying a conversation came up about the National Party Foundation with a group of NZ First Members and when they asked to also set one up he told ok, but make sure it is Legal. Then in another paragraph it recieved donations from legal identities and residents and was very confident there were no donor’s linked to the Chinnese Communist Party. It is not clear how he knows this exactly with this level of confidence as he also said ” have I got any information that I can proffer to the Police or the Serious Fraud Office NO”.
https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/13-02-2020/so-many-questions-as-winston-peters-goes-live-on-facebook/
It Sounds like Peters is all piss and wind again treating people with disdain with asking them to invest in this load of absolute bullshit.
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February 13, 2020 9:31am
- rockape
  
  Harder to duck questions when its the SFO asking them.
  
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  February 13, 2020 11:46am
- freethinker
  
  Happy – A great Fisking – thanks.
  
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  February 13, 2020 12:34pm
trout

The facebook Q&A by Winston yesterday was classic Peters obfuscation and denial. The low point, however, when asked about the president and treasurer leaving NZ First because of financial irregularities in the party, he resorted to giving ‘bullying issues ‘ as the reason for their exit. Remember that these two NZFirst party officials wanted to make a submission to a Parliamentary select committee looking at party donation issues; the presentation was blocked by Labour and NZFirst. Lets hope this year we see the last of the great charlatan.
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February 13, 2020 9:32am
- freethinker
  
  Could the complaints not be explored in a Oral or written question in the house – David Seymour how about trying this line to transparency!
  
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  February 13, 2020 12:36pm
  - trout
    
    Pertinent questions were asked of the Minister of Justice in Parliament today. Peters tried to intervene unsuccessfully. His usual claim of ‘sub judicae’ cannot be used because there are no charges pending. The Labour leadership are holding their noses on this one because the way Jacinda is clinging to Winston (he is her lifebelt) totally undermines any claim the party may have to respect for ethical politics.
    
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    February 13, 2020 3:31pm
Ruahine

I have noticed that most of those calling themselves journalists in the MSM actually do not have sufficient ability to frame questions that demonstrate intellectual and verbal expertise to prevent the answers from their questions to be easily avoided and evaded.
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February 13, 2020 9:58am
- freethinker
  
  And many cannot either spell or use correct grammar.
  
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  February 13, 2020 12:37pm
- Garbageman
  
  Or the nads to follow up questions after the great charlatan gets all grumpy & flustered which is exactly when you should be asking the hard question
  
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  February 13, 2020 12:47pm
pb

Statistics on the virus seem to be getting worse. R0 of 4. Death rate of 3%. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.10.20021675v1

Companies who exported manufacturing and high paying industry jobs to slave wages in China over the last 30 years, might be feeling anxious right about now.

Countries who rely too heavily on Chinese buying our stuff, also might be feeling nervous right about now. How are those University budgets looking?

Countries with huge foreign debts should be extremely worried right about now.
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February 13, 2020 10:21am
- alex Masterley
  
  The just in time supply chain which is reliant on goods comming to us ex china is melting down.
  Some manufacturers are having to slow down as parts inventories empty out.
  
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  February 13, 2020 11:33am
  - curry4me
    
    Every cloud has a silver lining. If the supply chain, or bits of it move to Thailand, India, or Veitnam it won’t be a bad thing. The less clout China has the better.
    
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    February 13, 2020 1:27pm
    - artemisia
      
      Wellington Drive Technologies, global provider of IoT technology, announced today that due to coronavirus impacts on component supply from China the company is switching some of its production to its existing Vietnam supplier.
      
      IoT – internet of things. The Economist recently predicted a trillion IoT items in existence in the next few years.
      
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      February 13, 2020 4:24pm
      - curry4me
        
        Ah, so it’s started already. Good news.
        
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        February 13, 2020 9:14pm
- freethinker
  
  PB I have read figures that suggest the CCP is vastly under reporting numbers – eg Taiwanese family with relatives in Wuhan report Crematoria burning 100 bodies a day, should this prove so after the event the Huawei situation should be reconsidered.
  
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  February 13, 2020 12:40pm
Fletch

The perils of time travel ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZoQUFJCGLI
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February 13, 2020 10:35am
Bell-47

It seems Sky TV CEO Martin Stewart is baffled as to why Sky’s share price is at $0.60 exactly 10% of the price only 5 years ago. I’ll give him a few hints..
1. Satellite based broadcast barely covers the NZ footprint which is why dishes are at 44 deg to the horizon.
2. Rain-fade is no longer an excuse for lack of service.
3. Out of touch with pricing and bundles
4. Removed the opportunity for non Sky customers to PPV through the app allowing daily, weekly or monthly access.
5. Shut down pre pay service IGLOO leaving customers like myself with 3 useless set top boxes.
6. Sky Go is probably the worst of all streaming sites with very low quality video and a slim selection of content.
7. Failed reverse takeover of Vodafone.
8. Distinct lack of investment in technology including moving from satellite to streaming for customers with good broadband.
9. Relying on acquiring competitors to come up with streaming services then buy them and shut them out unless you have a sky subscription. (This will happen with Lightbox). Neon does not require a subscription but soon will, mark my words.
10. Sky is only worth the money if you happen to be a sports nut even then it’s pricey. Technology exists to circumvent their monopoly and is cheap and easy.
11. Sky has missed the boat completely on digital services the moment Netflix entered the market Sky did not act and is now facing even more pressure with Amazon Prime, Motortrend, youtube and Disney. Their business model relies heavily on subscribers to sports channels and Spark stealing away WC rugby rights is just the start.
12. NZRU signs up as a shareholder at 5%. What genius thought that would be a good idea? Especially given the WC results. Locking yourself in with a single broadcaster is not smart business diversity planning. Other than customers at home, who is going to buy the rights to the local content and are they willing to pay a premium for that?

Sky’s board, CEO and CTO all need a dose of smelling salts.
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February 13, 2020 10:41am
- Garbageman
  
  I ditched them a couple of years ago i can stomach many things but endless ads promoting other shows repeated all day finally done me in, i do miss the motoring channel but i can get most of that content free with my VPN pretty much the same reason i drop kicked Netflix recently as well even though their content is far superior its still like finding a needle in a haystack looking for something decent to watch
  
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  February 13, 2020 12:55pm
  - Bell-47
    
    Having been a Netflix subscriber for some years including before it was available in NZ, I can say the content has improved markedly in the last few years and, having watched quite a lot, the recommendations I get (automated) based on what I like are generally quite good. Most recently, The Pharmacist.. a great doco. If you are a die hard gear head like me, I have a Motortrend subscription used in conjunction with a VPN. V8 supercars live plus a lot of other live racing events. But above all, the car shows on Motortrend are well worth the few bucks a month for the privilege. Highly recommend!
    
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    February 13, 2020 1:31pm
    - Garbageman
      
      Have you tried to access the US & UK Netflix content with your VPN i was amazed at the amount of extra and up to date material they had at least 25% i dont think it works with most though i use CyberGhost but i think Nord does it as well, cheers for the tip will check out Motortrend
      
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      February 13, 2020 2:37pm
      - Bell-47
        
        I can use both UK and US Netflix using the my VPN’s suggested server. I use ExpressVPN (paid sub). I tried Nord but only to see if there was any difference. I regularly watch ITV4 on demand and others in the UK also using the same VPN. I have to be honest that while I have access to US Netflix, I rarely use it as I have more than enough content to get through with local stuff. Amazon Prime is also good. Quite a few good shows along with The Grand Tour.. Amazons version of Top gear with the original hosts, May, Hammond and Clarkson. Is excellent viewing. Latest release of theirs is called Seamen..not what you think though.
        
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        February 13, 2020 4:46pm
- Lance
  
  All those points are valid, but by far and away the most significant is that it is way too expensive.
  It’s an order of magnitude more expensive than it’s competitors.
  
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  February 13, 2020 1:02pm
  - Bell-47
    
    As I mentioned with point 3. I have not been a Sky subscriber for many years other than IGLOO product so am unsure of pricing other than I understand it is way off compared to competitors but as I mentioned, this is the pricing model they have lived on for decades and that has to change. As far back as 2016 Netflix had outstripped Sky for numbers of subscribers and I suspect that number has grown even more in 4 years and shared amongst other streaming providers. The point is, as you say, price and Sky missing the boat altogether now has the temerity to seem perplexed at a low share price.. The CTO should be held to account along with whoever is responsible for responding to the change in market.
    
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    February 13, 2020 1:25pm
trout

So Jacinda (being minister of arts, Heritage etc.) taps Heritage NZ on the shoulder and asks for a favour (willingly given by the luvies at Heritage who depend on government patronage); being ‘could you help us out and give Ihumatao a Heritage 1 status’ (already canvassed and rejected previously) so that we can lie to the public and pretend that the Heritage designation is preventing Fletchers developing the site but that we will magnanimously use taxpayer funds to buy them out (and placate our Maori caucus).
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February 13, 2020 10:51am
DeepBlue

New homeless policy released by Jacinda today. One point

Wow, loop hole now closing…. People in emergency accommodation now required to pay 25% of income (that’ll be benefit), previously free. And we wondered why the numbers kept going up.
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February 13, 2020 11:18am
Maggy Wassilieff

Another busy day in Parliament
https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/order-paper-questions/list-of-oral-questions/oral-questions-13-february-2020/

Q 7. Could be interesting….
Hon LOUISE UPSTON to the Minister for Social Development: Does she stand by her statement, “if that member ever asks me a question again in this House about a thing called the dole—which does not exist—I will refuse to answer the question”?

so could Q 4.
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February 13, 2020 11:44am
Monique Watson

Oh lookity look. Ardern is going to wave her magic wand and create 1000 extra transitional housing places. Guess they’ll materialize in the same way the Kiwibuild houses did. Not.
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February 13, 2020 11:47am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Ooooh… I haven’t read that fairy tale….
  pray tell if it’s a wicked witch or a fairy godmother waving/wielding the wand.
  
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  February 13, 2020 12:19pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Donning a hijab. Wands are so phallic male centric, Potterish, so yesterday dude . . .
    
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    February 13, 2020 1:39pm
rouppe

Jacinda Adern has said that The Government has announced 1000 new transitional houses will be made available to deal with the country’s homeless crisis.

They can’t build houses for Kiwibuild. Where are the houses coming from? Private landlords already want nothing to do with this sort of tenant.

How can they possibly fulfil this promise?
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February 13, 2020 12:08pm
- brett68
  
  It’s straight out fake news.
  It’s actually 1000 new transitional housing places, not a 1000 new houses.
  
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  February 13, 2020 12:29pm
  - rockape
    
    I understand some of it will be purchasing motels and refurbishing them So not houses at all.
    
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    February 13, 2020 3:07pm
    - Colville
      
      The will fall foul of every Councils district plan if they try that and be tied up in environment court for years.
      
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      February 13, 2020 3:30pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        Dunno about that. I know of a medium sized city that has (at least) two (privately owned) sets of flats converted from being motels. 20-odd units each.
        
        These are not emergency housing – by and large rented to regular tenants. MSD regularly ask if there are any units available, but the tenant turnover is pretty low. Anyone causing trouble is turfed out. Owner lives in a house on site.
        
        $700/week motel accommodation funded by MSD is actually a loan. I guess it gets repaid at $2/week forever …..
        
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        February 13, 2020 4:03pm
- MrTips
  
  They have been buying houses from Mike Greer and other builders/developers. This is common knowledge across NZ real estate companies. HNZ has been completely open and robust in purchasing, which is why in CHC at least, agents are creaming it.
  
  It’s a govt initiated housing boom using your money rouppe.
  
  So when Cindy says “we’ve built”……she’s lying. They haven’t, they’ve BOUGHT.
  
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  February 13, 2020 12:33pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    And funded through off book overseas loans.
    
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    February 13, 2020 12:59pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Yep, another financial Black Hole that National will have to fill. They are on their way to trashing the joint before they get kicked out of Parliament.
      
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      February 13, 2020 1:37pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    Given that we no longer have a Ministry of Works and that HNZ is not a construction company … I think it’s not unreasonable to conflate “we built” with “we paid for” …
    
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    February 13, 2020 3:22pm
    - Colville
      
      But its not govt money its HNZ money…its off the govt books so it doesnt dig Joyces hole deeper…so if its not govt money its not govt houses!
      
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      February 13, 2020 3:33pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        And you of course have a solution to this problem – the problem that looks like “not enough houses” and “especially at the bottom end”.
        
        If someone made you God tomorrow where would you start?
        
        Drive through any town in NZ – from Shannon to Palmerston North to Wellington. Everywhere (even in small towns like Waipawa) there are (former) State houses built 50-70 odd years ago by both National and Labour governments. Probably because at the time there weren’t enough houses especially at the bottom end. I have read someplace that governments of the day basically printed the money, but that sort of stuff is above my pay grade.
        
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        February 13, 2020 3:54pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXQXfItYSGg
New Tory Party of 2020s is united around Culture & Identity not Class or Economic Ideology
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February 13, 2020 12:24pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvPX0h6Tobg
Coronavirus: US and China FACE OFF. More from Chris Chappell at China Uncensored. He’s the presitator’s favorite commentator. -:)
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February 13, 2020 12:25pm
Engelbert Humperdink

Some wafflewat called Henare O’Keefe is emoting about the little boy beaten nigh unto death in Flaxmere.

“…vigilante justice was not the way to help, he said.

“Let the police get on with their job. If you really want to help, look in the mirror,” he said. ”

**

Am I the only one sick of this BS? Happens every time. Apparently we’re all to blame.

NO.

Sod OFF, Swampy Henare!

I don’t need to look in a mirror, I’m looking at YOUR culture and the culture of silence by the whanau.

I have never raised a hand to hurt anyone. I didn’t do this. My family didn’t do this. Your brand of diversity did this and are now closing ranks.

Frankly as a good start I’d like to see all the adults in the home at the time arrested and held without bail and interrogated by say a Bosch-equivalent, not a wimped-out Tania Kura-equivalent.

/rant off.
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February 13, 2020 12:43pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Henare O Keefe has fostered many many children with his wife and set them on the straight and narrow. He has also done an enormous amount of work in Napier and HB.
  I have heard him speak at a Special Education Needs Conf. An inspiring man
  
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  February 13, 2020 1:08pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    We’ve all done things good and bad.
    
    Does not excuse him saying / excusing along with many of his co-culturalists that the rest of us are all to blame for endemic baby-bashing in his cultural backyard.
    
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    February 13, 2020 1:31pm
Garbageman

Good old Bob calling in the big guns Dame Margaret Clark & Alan Duff to prove he isn’t the racist that Renae Maihi claims him to be, on a side note her photo no longer looks like the filtered & touched up versions that Stuff have been using for a while.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/119473756/once-were-warriors-author-alan-duff-says-his-close-mate-bob-jones-is-no-racist
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February 13, 2020 1:05pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  The problem is that regardless of the fact that Sir Bob clearly isn’t racist, she’s saying it was an honestly held belief.
  
  Defamation cases are weird and I believe, a bit backwards. Because the alleged “defamer” is the defendant, the “defamed” has to go first, effectively defending themselves from accusations (in this case of racism) that haven’t even been proven yet.
  
  How can Sir Bob’s lawyers prove that she doesn’t have an honest belief when she hasn’t said why she believes what she believes?
  
  Given the extent to which she’s gone after him, she should have to prove a degree of due diligence, otherwise it’s not an honest belief. The problem is, because of the backwards way the trial is being run, Sir Bob has to provide her with all the reasons he’s not racist so she can give lip service to them in her “evidence” she took it into account.
  
  I still think there is no way she can prove she has an honestly held belief he’s a racist as any reasonable person, given the effort she put into destroying him, would have looked into his history and seen how much he’s done for people of all races. She’ll still win though, such is our “justice” system.
  
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  February 13, 2020 2:09pm
- niggly
  
  Agree with Alan Duff saying “his “close mate” Sir Robert Jones was brilliant but sometimes his columns were not as funny as Jones thought they were.”
  
  Which Renae Maihi could learn from … one doesn’t need to get upset and organise a petition (or boycott) because they may disagree with what someone wrote!
  
  The other thing that the Ranae Maihi like-minded types don’t seem to understand about the likes of Sir Bob Jones is, their humor is of their generation – so why try and change it (to conform with Ranae Maihi’s mindset), after all, the older generation don’t try and change her (generation) to conform to theirs!
  
  Did Ranae Maihi know that Sir Bob Jones has had a long association with Maori?
  
  Did she also know that Sir Bob Jones “shocked” NZ’s (conservative) society in the 60’s/70’s/80’s and publicly supported a transgender woman to become a Wellington personality and Mayoral candidate? So shouldn’t he actually be ‘revered’ by the likes of Ranae Maihi and her supporters?
  
  And even then, in his support of Carmen Rupe becoming Mayor, his language (in the linked article) was still “un-PC” … because that’s how people of Sir Bob Jones’ generation spoke, but that didn’t mean he was “racist” or “transphobic”!
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/69481625/carmens-scandalous-run-for-wellington-mayor—150-years-of-news
  
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  February 13, 2020 3:19pm
  - niggly
    
    Just read the original comments from the Stuff article (only 3) but this one sums up Jones well:
    
    Bob Jones must surely be considered a politically mischievous fellow with a great sense of humor. Some years back an interview with him on this mayoral campaign was published giving rather more detail than has been related in the above article. One example I consider of interest is that when the polls showed Carmen likely to win Robert Muldoon tried to have Jones pull Carmen from the mayoral race. Muldoon’s concern was that Queen Elizabeth sometimes visits Wellington. Jones of course would have none of this and indeed considered Carmen might make a welcome change from the usual boring type of mayor the unfortunate queen so often had to meet. If the original Jones interview can be located and reprinted I am sure it would be much appreciated.
    
    Clearly Sir Bob Jones was no “establishment lackey”, something else his modern day detractors seem to not realise!
    
    And look, in that Stuff reader comment Sir Bob Jones could have potentially upset Royalty (by insisting that “Mayor Carmen” could meet the Queen … the irony the detractors/Doomers of today can’t see is even if that were to happen, the Queen (of the same generation as Sir BJ) wouldn’t have taken offence and become upset, despite the “insult” … unlike themselves!
    
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    February 13, 2020 3:29pm
Jack5

Good interview by Kathryn Ryan this morning on the Concert Programme Coup that failed. She was interviewing Radio NZ chairman Jim Mather.

He spoke of “Aoteraroa New Zealand” and “the Treaty” and “a taonga” among other things as, on behalf of the board, he explained Radio NZ backpedalling on the move that would have gutted the Concert Programme to allow a new new pop. “youth” channel (up to 30s actually) with Maori and Pasifika youth the key target.

It seems to me that the coup was the climax of the Wily Willie Jackson led Maori takeover of Radio New Zealand, stitching it to the already subsidised 20 or 21 tribal radio stations.

How did National, which was then in power, let Leftist politician-activist Jackson work over Radio NZ?

Ryan grills the Radio NZ chairman:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/2018733967/rnz-board-chair-jim-mather-on-concert-back-down
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- niggly
  
  Jack, also worth listening to are the Checkpoint interviews on Tuesday with RNZ CEO Paul Thompson https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018733682/rnz-boss-discusses-new-fm-channel-for-concert-youth-radio and Wednesday’s interview with a petition organiser who called Thompson out https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018733841/rnz-concert-fans-deliver-petition-as-cut-back-plans-shelved
  
  It seems RNZ management & CEO Paul Thompson is “exceeding his mandate” and are making a mockery of the government’s intentions to investigate a potential RNZ/TVNZ merger (which makes everything CEO Thompson and Board Chairman Jim Mather propose/action a moot point).
  
  There is also a good Chris Trotter article about RNZ management on the Daily Blog (it’s about the only thing worth reading there, as everything else seems to be Bradbury rants)!
  
  It seems to me the RNZ management have jumped the gun (ie position new youth content) in some pathetic attempt to look “strong” to their commercial big bully brother, TVNZ, who will look down over meek and mild public broadcaster RNZ regardless (and if I were RNZ – who cares)!
  
  If so, that’s where Radio NZ is going wrong. Thompson has zero public broadcasting heritage (his came from the newspapers, Fairfax, FFS!), he has reached the end of his usefulness (in upgrading RNZ news) and is trying to branch out to new (somewhat commercial, non PBS) initiatives.
  
  Time for Thompson to be sacked (for undermining govt policy) and be replaced by a person with non-commercial public broadcasting experience (which aligns with where the govt may take RNZ/TVNZ).
  
  I also question Mather remaining on the RNZ Board (he sanctioned all this BS), but clearly his job unfortunately will be safe because his Maori TV background so will continue the course to change RNZ to become more “maorified” as you call it!
  
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  February 13, 2020 3:51pm
- hilaryt
  
  Was there anyone so unconvincing as Mather in that interview?
  
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  February 13, 2020 4:45pm
shogun

Is this a case of the news creating the news?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/119472161/waikato-holiday-park-calls-for-park-manager-with-quiet-wife

Or more, media publishing an ad they knew would create outrage so that they can then write a story about it and collect more advertising revenue.

I do appreciate the position that the park owner has – where was the guidance to say it wasn’t appropriate….
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February 13, 2020 3:08pm
- Batman
  
  It’s not up to the newspaper to be moral guardians. It’s up to the owner to have someone do a sense check and tell them if they’re being a dickhead (which yes, they were).
  
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  February 13, 2020 3:35pm
  - shogun
    
    Batman, while I agree with your statement, if it’s not up to the newspaper to be moral guardians on the content of the ad, why do they then publish a story on said content of the ad?
    
    That seems highly hypocritical to me. On the one hand they have taken his money, only to then whack him with a stick.
    
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    February 13, 2020 4:00pm
    - Batman
      
      I think the story has come from the bigger outlets, rather than from the original paper it was in?
      
      Happy to be corrected since I only briefly looked at the story…
      
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      February 13, 2020 4:28pm
      - shogun
        
        The journalist who wrote the article is Luke Kirkeby who, according to his LinkedIn profile, is a senior reporter for the South Waikato News.
        
        Which is the publication the original ad appeared in.
        
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        February 13, 2020 5:25pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Irregardless, the park owner has gotten a whole lot of publicity not only for the job he’s offering but for the park. I don’t agree with what the ad said but can sympathize with a 71 year old who might not be PC in today’s world.
  
  I thought the ad funny, as did my wife.
  
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  February 13, 2020 8:14pm
- JamesP
  
  Or the canny park owner setting up some cheap advertising.
  
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  February 13, 2020 8:25pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Des Britten has died
https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/food-wine/food-news/119479480/former-wellingtonian-of-the-year-sir-des-britten-has-died

I only ever dined at the Coachman once when a lazy flatmate dragged a couple of us down to the restaurant for dinner on his cooking night..

Although we were dressed in student rags… & my two male flatmates had long unkempt hair, we were seated well. I can’t remember what we had for mains, but Des Britten came out to serve us with a complimentary plate of smoked eel for an entree…..best I’ve ever eaten.
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February 13, 2020 3:17pm
- tf78
  
  Smoked eel used to be great but wasn’t the roe better.
  
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  February 13, 2020 7:15pm
Ed Snack

Looks like a touch of honesty has entered the Corona virus story – Hubei province has released its figures for the number of cases – 14,840, so the total has jumped significantly – to 48,206 officially. One major difference, instead of relying on “tested” cases which have been strictly limited by test availability and facility capacity, Hubei has included clinically diagnosed (ie by symptoms). Now if the other provinces start using the same method, total cases will be in the hundreds of thousands likely enough.

Now when do we find out what the actual death rate has been. Having a huge jump in the total infected would suggest, if the current death figures are anywhere near accurate, a much less deadly epidemic by fatality percentage than thought. But it is not clear that the death toll has been accurately reported. There was also a big jump in reported deaths (242), but I suspect more to come.

Short summary, many, many more cases yet to be reported, death rate uncertain.
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February 13, 2020 4:25pm
- Stephieboy2
  
  Estimating the mortality rate from the virus is complex but it is important to rely on analysis by reputable journals like this,
  
  Swiss Medical weekly,
  
  2019-Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV): estimating the case fatality rate – a word of caution,
  
  “..How is the virus transmitted, how long is the incubation period, what is the role of asymptomatic infected, what is the definite reproductive number R0, how long is viral shedding persisting after fading of symptoms, who is at risk for a severe course, and ultimately, how high is the case fatality rate?
  
  Accurate answers are critical for predicting the outbreak dynamics, to tailor appropriate and effective prevention measures, and to prepare for a potential pandemic. Precise estimates of the case fatality rate and the fraction of infections that require hospitalization are critical to balance the socioeconomic burden of infection control interventions against their potential benefit for mankind. Hence, one of the most important figures to determine is the rate of asymptomatic and mild cases allowing to put severe courses and death rates into accurate context.
  At present, it is tempting to estimate the case fatality rate by dividing the number of known deaths by the number of confirmed cases. The resulting number, however, does not represent the true case fatality rate and might be off by orders of magnitude…..”
  
  https://smw.ch/article/doi/smw.2020.20203
  
  The only thing we can say with confidence is that to date NZ has not reported any cases.
  
  May it remain like that !
  
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  February 13, 2020 5:21pm
- doggone7
  
  Clinically diagnosed (ie by symptoms)?
  
  Let’s add millions and millions more to the list of those having coronavirus. Every person with a cough or a shortness of breath should be declared to have it.
  
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  February 13, 2020 5:23pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    If you’re being facile, sure. It may indeed be hard to tell a case of Corona from the ordinary influenza bug, but I guess doctors have means to at least estimating the true infection rate. If you rely on testing kits and you have 1,000 available per day and 5,000 people who need testing, your estimate is going to be pretty understated, no ? Though you could do sample testing and estimate over the population.
    
    To date I believe it is correct that the numbers we have are just confirmed by testing cases. We know with a fair degree of certainty that the supply of tests was limited and similarly the ability to evaluate the results was also limited. Hence a near certainty that the real number was considerably larger than the released number.
    
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    February 13, 2020 6:10pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Daily death rate of Coronavirus (Covid-19) still climbing
242 deaths yesterday
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/feb/13/coronavirus-latest-updates-deaths-in-china-pass-1300-with-jump-in-cases-live-news
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February 13, 2020 4:29pm
Chuck Bird

I hear the TVNZ poll will be on tonight.
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February 13, 2020 5:12pm
Prince

Listening to Radio NZ Checkpoint, a breaking story regarding Winston Peters, on Magic, talking with Peter Williams. He has admitted he was involved in a covert operation to take a photo of Guyon Espiner speaking to a formed President of NZ First.
“We took the photo”.
The photo then appeared on Whaleoil’s BFD website, which has been running defence for Peters.

This guy if Deputy Prime Minister. He arranges a covert operation against a reporter. Forget Trump, this is Nixon on speed.
What does Ardern say about it ? Nothing. Did she know about this operation ?
When will Labour insist she takes some action ? Their polling must be in free fall.
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February 13, 2020 5:18pm
- rangitoto
  
  Cinders will immediately sack Winnie and call a snap election right?
  
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  February 13, 2020 6:09pm
Engelbert Humperdink

Today’s Rant, Part Deux.

“A man with what a judge says is a 44-year history of gang and crime involvement has been given a last chance on home detention after admitting his part in a group assault on a fellow inmate at Hawke’s Bay Prison.

Ernie O’Neal Paul was sentenced to eight months home detention when he appeared before Judge Geoff Rea in Napier District Court on Thursday.

Paul had pleaded guilty to assault with intent to injure, after admitting blocking access to a prison cell to prevent others from coming to the aid of a rival gang member being assaulted by four other prisoners.”

NO.

Eff U Judgey McJudgeidiot.

I have had ‘work detention’ every day for 5 or 6 or 7 days out of 49-50 weeks every year for the past 45 years to earn a living. I’d love getting home detention and still be supplied with the necessities of life. This parasitic pustular excrescence has damaged many lives and taken many hundreds of thousands of dollars from our earnings over close to 5 decades and you give him home detention? Eff you and the horse you rode into the courtroom. Send him to the Central Plateau on a workfarm where he eats only what he grows and sleeps only in shelter he builds from native timber, sustainably milled (nod to wokeness). Exile him to White Island. Put him in solitary 23/7/365. Punish the damn recidivist, don’t effing REWARD him for being a CRIMINAL.

What the actual eff is WRONG with you, Your Dishonour Rea?

/rant off.
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February 13, 2020 5:33pm
Fletch

States enacting laws to give their electoral votes to the “popular vote winner”, and bypass the Electoral College.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/02/12/virginia-passes-bill-to-give-electoral-votes-to-popular-vote-winner/

Of course, this will disadvantage smaller states. More rigging of the process to try and make sure Trump does win again.
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February 13, 2020 5:35pm
- Fletch
  
  I meant doesn’t win.
  
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  February 13, 2020 8:16pm
Chuck Bird

“Their polling must be in free fall.”

We will seen about an hour.
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February 13, 2020 5:37pm
Maggy Wassilieff

The abused child story gets worse…

A 4-year-old boy critically injured in a suspected case of child abuse had previously been admitted to hospital with broken bones and removed from his immediate family.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/119503830/critically-injured-flaxmere-boy-a-victim-of-previous-suspected-abuse
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February 13, 2020 5:45pm
- sooty
  
  Whatcha gonna do, Comrade?
  Jail the bloody family, is what you should do!
  
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  February 13, 2020 5:51pm
- Stephieboy2
  
  I’m at loss to find a solution that appears endemic in the Maori community . All I can think of at this stage is for Maori leaders like Dame Turia, Sir Pita Sharples and even Kiri Te Kawana to take stand on the matter. Enough is enough. No time for excuses. Time for accountability and personal ownership.
  
  However, resorting racial slurs etc is not going to advance the issue.
  
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  February 13, 2020 6:54pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    What racial slurs, buckwheat? we’re talking culture. Not color.
    
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    February 13, 2020 7:24pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    appears endemic in the Maori community
    
    well, well, well….
    
    That’s an incredibly racist/ethnically derogatory statement, stephieboy.
    
    Do you really believe child abuse is endemic in the Maori Community?
    
    You do realise other ethnic groups indulge in child-bashing also, don’t you?
    
    Ever had a look at the statistics for physical abuse of children in other communities/ other countries?
    
    I’ll tell you what is endemic in the families that physically abuse their children:
    
    1.Booze
    2.Drugs
    3. Mental illness
    4. Religion
    and any combination of these 4 factors.
    
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    February 13, 2020 7:53pm
Engelbert Humperdink

More cultural coverup

Des Ratima, chair of the Takitimu District Māori Council, who is involved with the “Not one more baby” movement that followed Oranga Tamariki’s controversial uplift of a baby at Hawke’s Bay Hospital last year, said he stood by that call.

Ratima and Ngati Kahungunu chairman Ngahiwi Tomoana objected to Oranga Tamariki’s actions over the attempted uplift of the 7-day old baby boy and together said “Not one more child will be uplifted and iwi will intervene at all costs”.

“At all costs.” Gonna get your illegally-armed-up gangbros out on the street hey Ngahiwi? Sheesh.
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February 13, 2020 6:18pm
slightlyrighty

Rather good poll result, but there is one thing that the One News team missed.

Given that the Greens were on 5%, and they usually get fewer votes than the polls indicate, there is a good chance that they might be gone come September.

If that is the case, with these numbers, National would have 63 seats, Labour 55 and ACT would have 2.
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February 13, 2020 6:42pm
- Colville
  
  Why spoil the narrative with honesty?
  
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  February 13, 2020 6:53pm
- Stephieboy2
  
  “Given that the Greens were on 5%, and they usually get fewer votes than the polls indicate”
  
  I thought it was the opposite ?
  
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  February 13, 2020 7:00pm
  - Colville
    
    Wrong as usual.
    
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    February 13, 2020 7:21pm
  - rockape
    
    Last election feb polling for greens was 11% they got 6.3% on election night Could you be more wrong? Dont you bother to fact check before opening your gob?
    
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    February 13, 2020 7:50pm
  - slightlyrighty
    
    In 2017, the greens were polling at 8% and got 6.3% at the election.
    
    In 2014, polled at 12, got 10.7
    
    2011. 14.5 v 11.6
    
    2008. 10 v 6.72.
    
    Care to check your statement there Stephieboy?
    
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    February 13, 2020 7:58pm
  - Billy Collins
    
    In the last election, Greens polled 7-8% and only got 6.3%. In 2014, they polled at 12% and only got 10%.
    
    I am guessing the reason is that the poll shows who they would vote for if you brought the vote to them. Not everyone who would like to vote actually gets out and votes.
    
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    February 13, 2020 8:00pm
- Prince
  
  If Green supporters take fright, will they fly to labour to ensure their votes count ? Where would NZ First votes go ? Still some months to go. And I think you have to respect Ardern’s campaign ability.
  
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  February 13, 2020 7:08pm
  - Colville
    
    55% of NZF voters wanted a deal with Nats. Nats must pick up the bulk of those.
    On the way to 48%? ?
    
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    February 13, 2020 7:23pm
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Electorate deals in Auckland Central (and Nelson?) for the Green Party of Aotearoa/New Zealand.
    NZ First gets nod for Northland and Shane campaigns by being a red neck who can’t stand Greens.
    Hypocrisy and contradiction will not stand in the way of halting a successful, progressive govt.
    
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    February 13, 2020 7:49pm
  - rockape
    
    Greens were below 5% ,it was rounded up.
    
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    February 13, 2020 7:51pm
  - Prince
    
    Nats should try to get Marama and Golriz to speak as often as possible. Also Sage, Swarbrick, Genter and Logie.
    Try to keep Shaw on the sideline.
    
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    February 13, 2020 8:14pm
Komata

Can anyone tell me what the ‘ Statute of Limitations’ is in respect of business accounts?

I’ve just received an account for work done in April- May 2017, and while the amount involved isn’t large, the fact that it is being presented three years after the event raises questions concerning its legality, the tradies excuse being that he had ‘Lost my address’.

Due to the time-lapse involved, I doubt that it is supportable, but would appreciate a legal opinion should anyone be inclined to give one.

Thank you.
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February 13, 2020 9:39pm
ChardonnayGuy

It is my sad duty to report that controversial right-wing US talkback radio host Rush Limbaugh (69) has been diagnosed with Stage IV/metastatic lung cancer. Although I am adamantly opposed to much of his political and social agenda, nevertheless I feel deeply sorry for his family at what must be a painful time for them and I hope that he has a peaceful end when the time comes. My condolences to them all: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiiSl8GWiMA&list=PL5sYMaiLLCqXy2zkpxhK8bqqQ3rwcKrr1&index=5&t=0s
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