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AgainstTheFlow

About RNZ cutting Concert FM:
There is one part of the radio marketplace that is clearly a ‘market failure’ with very small demand:

Progressive Talkback!

RNZ should take its extra channel and start a left-wing talkback channel where the correct thinking people can phone in to complain that not enough Te Reo is being used or transgender research funding is inadequate (SARC).

John Campbell, Martin Bomber Bradbury, and Nigel Latta could host!
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February 12, 2020 8:01am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  They already have that channel, its called RNZ!
  
  Chock full of concerned lefties worrying and tut tuttung about the disrespectful deplorables out there.
  
  If they removed that element of the programming on everything except Concert – which actually plays music) you’d be left with broadcasting the radio equivalent of the Testcard! probably get a bigger audience too.
  
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  February 12, 2020 8:17am
  - Nukuleka
    
    You also need to remove some of the leftie Concert presenters (as well as the well past his used by date William Dart) from the station. Far from being the informed and knowledgeable folk that their supporters portray, many of them are just leftie barrow pushers like the mannered Charlotte Wilson, forever whining on about her hard done by women composers and performers.
    
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    February 12, 2020 9:00am
- artemisia
  
  Reminss one of the definition of chamber music – music for a very small audience.
  
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  February 12, 2020 8:20am
  - peterwn
    
    Well, last Sunday, the fairly large Waikanae Hall was full of people (sold out) listening to Michael Houston and other musicians – playing Chamber Music!
    
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    February 12, 2020 8:40am
    - tui47
      
      My retired parents make frequent visits to concerts of the same sort. They also have a weekly concert they attend held at the local church. They are not religious and never listened to classical music in their younger years. Dad has mild dementia and nothing makes his happier than his concerts.
      
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      February 12, 2020 12:22pm
- Fletch
  
  Talkback radio has long been a domain of the Right (at least in America) and Left wing talkback shows historically don’t do very well. They fail after a very short time.
  
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  February 12, 2020 8:26am
  - mikenmildagain
    
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    It’s simply a reflection of the likely audience and callers: grumpy old white men.
    
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    February 12, 2020 8:39am
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      The potential listeners and callers include anyone with a phone. It’s a reflection of allowing the general public to express an opinion.
      
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      February 12, 2020 9:06am
      - SGA
        
        The potential listeners and callers include anyone with a phone.
        
        Potentially – yes, in practice – probably not (and, to be fair, m&m talks about the “likely audience”). Under 30s (say) are more likely to be listening (e.g., podcasts) and interacting on the internet than listening to talk back radio.
        
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        February 12, 2020 9:29am
      - sooty
        
        All the women are on Aunt Daisy s program in the morning!
        
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        February 12, 2020 10:46am
      - Ed Snack
        
        So if all the under 30’s are not listening to Radio at all, why would the introduction of a new station targeting them be anything but a stupid idea ?
        
        It is just a corrupt bit of “jobs for the lads” exercise.
        
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        February 12, 2020 12:06pm
      - SGA
        
        Here’s what I said
        “listening to talk back radio”
        and here’s what you said
        “not listening to Radio at all”
        
        Can you spot the difference? Younger people turn to the internet for “talk back” style content, in particular- podcasts, reddit, etc.
        
        That said, I too do wonder about the audience for this proposed new channel.
        
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        February 12, 2020 12:45pm
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      I’d prefer being a G.O.M. than a young wind-blower rattling around like a bubble of flatus in an echo chamber. Hypothetically speaking.
      
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      February 12, 2020 9:07am
      - SGA
        
        Ok boomer (/tongue in cheek)
        
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        February 12, 2020 9:31am
    - Two fish and a scoop thanks Cindy
      
      Two words:
      Pam.
      Corkery.
      
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      February 12, 2020 10:44am
  - surfing
    
    I used to enjoy the John Tamahere and Willy Jackson talkback show.
    
    I can be entertained by people even if I don’t agree with their views. I welcome diversity of opinion.
    
    That is the problem with recent politics — there is such anger between groups with different views. My way or the highway, only leads to war.
    
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    February 12, 2020 8:47am
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
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      Yeah. I liked JT in that setting. He would often rip his mate Willie to shreds without the latter even realising it. Then Mau joined Willie and that was that.
      
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      February 12, 2020 9:30am
      - RoboRob
        
        Indeed. The thing that was good about JT and Willie was that they had different views. JT was quite centrist or even right on some issues. They debated, it was interesting and entertaining.
        
        Mau and Jackson, was simply boring agreement on all issues. This blog to would be very dull if everyone agreed all the time.
        
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        February 12, 2020 11:30am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    They fail because Leftism already saturates the mediascape. Plus, have you ever heard a lefty string a coherent series of words together in real time?
    
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    February 12, 2020 9:29am
  - AgainstTheFlow
    
    yes, yes they do fail ……deservedly so!
    
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    February 12, 2020 2:36pm
- alloytoo
  
  I thought the whole purpose of a public broadcaster was to deliver non-commercially viable fare.
  
  To this end the Concert FM appears to be within it’s Mandate.
  
  We can argue that concert FM isn’t worth the money, but that argument applies to RNZ as a whole.
  
  A youth “orientated” service sounds like something already serviced by multiple commercial operations and very much outside their mandate.
  
  Speaking for myself I don’t mind contributing to non-commercial programming for small sectors of the population as long as the operation is run as lean as is possible.
  
  I object strenuously to a youth propaganda show.
  
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  February 12, 2020 8:35am
  - Nickc2
    
    I agree with you Tallytoo. I fear it will be used to peddle sexual diversity, climate change dogma, feminism and socialism/communism. Labour’s interests in other words.
    Oh, and I guess stuff from Maori interests will be filtered in over time.
    
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    February 12, 2020 1:40pm
- Biscuit
  
  Mr Mod, I have thus far got 12 days into February without my 2020 being spoiled by catching sight of any mention of the three (censoreds) AgainstTheFlow mentions.
  
  Any chance of a cull of that post so my eyes can remain pure?
  
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  February 12, 2020 8:44am
- Ruahine
  
  Cactus Kate doing good work again.
  
  https://asianinvasion2019.blogspot.com/2020/02/nz-media-suddenly-dont-want-to-profit.html
  
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  February 12, 2020 11:08am
- Nickc2
  
  AgainstTheFlow, John Campbell and correct thinking people should never be mentioned in the same sentence! I guess one could say the same for the others but I have a distinct dislike for Campbell.
  
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  February 12, 2020 1:33pm
hullkiwi

Espiner and RNZ have got it in for “What’s in it Winston First”.

This morning highlighting the links of Winston, NZF, the Racing Industry and who received and reported what donations. Then for the final turn of the knife Espiner highlighted what changes were made to government policy.

Who says money doesn’t buy influence when you have a left wing, caring government?
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February 12, 2020 8:05am
- Prince
  
  Exactly. There is fertile ground for any investigative reporter looking into donors to NZ First Foundation (at least those we know about), and consequent legislative and Govt grant favours.
  The shocking fact is – these things are ongoing today. No changes, no stop to the Regional lolly scramble, the Prime Minister seems more interested in some vague review of Electoral funding. In other words, the old ‘sent it to a committee’ trick.
  Seriously, she is the weakest PM in our history. Has no regard for taxpayers’ money.
  
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  February 12, 2020 8:27am
  - alloytoo
    
    The interesting thing is they many of the donors have public stated that they donated to the party, but the foundation cashed the cheques.
    
    There is potentially a very fraudulent activity right there.
    
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    February 12, 2020 8:40am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    I think we have the weakest prime minister in the history of our country, along with the most biased media in the history of our country. Abetting and encouraging corruption, voicing vacuous stupidities and conducting regular meaningless virtue-signalling is no way to go through life.
    
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    February 12, 2020 9:10am
    - John Warren
      
      I sat for a minute or two after reading your comment and tried to think of a weaker prime minister in our country’s history. Wallace Rowling was considered by many to be weak and ineffective, but I was too young when he was around to have a properly formed opinion of him and mostly remember Muldoon’s characterizations of him. So, at least within my memory, Ardern is the leading candidate, by many lengths.
      
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      February 12, 2020 10:19am
- yossarian
  
  Who’s the Minister of the Fisheries?
  
  That will be the next rock I’d look under…
  
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  February 12, 2020 8:28am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Here’s a couple of links that are worthy of following:
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96106426/fishing-company-talleys-bankrolling-shane-jones-nz-first-campaign
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/02/shane-jones-in-hot-water-over-support-for-talley-s-accused-of-illegal-fishing.html
    
    Stuart Nash is the Minister of Fisheries, but last year Greenpeace described Shane Jones as the “de facto Minister of Fisheries”, and it’s not hard to see why Greenpeace would think that.
    
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    February 12, 2020 8:41am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Why do you think the Kermadec Marine Reserve was cancelled
    
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    February 12, 2020 8:51am
    - Nickc2
      
      Exactly!!! Where was our MSM on that one?
      
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      February 12, 2020 1:49pm
  - freethinker
    
    Save you looking its nash , Ill say no more to save the mods deleting comments.
    
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    February 12, 2020 8:52am
- Vallager
  
  The most interesting comment Winston made yesterday…”I didn’t know anything about it”
  Not “nothing happened”, but denying knowledge – which is tantamount to an admission that something untoward has gone on.
  
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  February 12, 2020 8:40am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Of course he knows about it. It was carefully explained to him in 2008. Prosecution for fraud usually requires establishing intent. Sometimes however, the intent is in the act itself, because the law also states that ignorance of the law is no excuse.
    
    The Crimes Act also covers that, in that if given the circumstances you should have been aware of the consequences or importance, stating you did not know is not a defense.
    
    Knowing that party donations have to be declared, and knowing that anything that pays for party expenses that was supplied by an outside party constitutes a donation, then by derivative association, donations supplied to an entity that pays expenses is a donation.
    
    Not withstanding that, accepting donations by one entity, and allowing the giver to believe,or arranging things so that the giver believes the donation was for another entity is text book fraud and adequately covered under the Crimes Act. And you do not have to prove intent if it is reasonable to expect that someone does or should know it is a deceptive act, and therefore fraud.
    
    Just because there is no law specifically stating that something cannot be done, is illegal or constitutes fraud, it does not stop it being illegal or fraud if the perp should reasonably be expected to know that.
    
    Just as with Jacinda broke her promise to not increase tax in the first 3 years, and her calling it a levy. A levy is a tax, and often referred to as tax, so she cannot say she did not break the pre-election pledge because she should know that a levy is a tax, and especially often referred to as a tax.
    
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    February 12, 2020 1:41pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Is Winston opposing the RNZ changes? Is that why the leaking?
  
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  February 12, 2020 8:52am
  - RoboRob
    
    I am surprised, and impressed, that RNZ is willing to comment negatively on Winston. He clearly flagged he would support the RNZ merger ealier this year / late last year. My thought at the time was the he annouced this as a waring to RNZ / TVNZ to go easy on Winston first or face his wraith.
    
    Either RNZ is more ballsy than I would have expected or they were just to stupid to pick up on Winstons not so subtle warning. Take your pick 🙂
    
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    February 12, 2020 11:36am
- projectman
  
  I wonder if ‘Espiner and RNZ’ have a secondary motive to bolster support for the rest of this unholy alliance – or should that be a primary motive? [I am most definitely not a Winston supporter BTW.]
  
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  February 12, 2020 11:40am
Maggy Wassilieff

Tamati Coffey was concerned that a leading NZ Filmmaker is described as a Kiwi when he’s a winner, but another is described as a Maori when she has a case in Court.
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/labour-mp-hits-out-at-media-for-calling-taika-waititi-a-kiwi-filmmaker/ar-BBZRTV6

Well, he’ll be pleased that there is no mention of whanau or hapu or iwi in this latest sad episode.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/409323/police-say-family-of-severely-beaten-child-in-flaxmere-must-front-up
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February 12, 2020 8:09am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Here’s how Wikipedia describes Waititi’s whakapapa:
  
  His father was a Māori farmer and artist of Te Whānau-ā-Apanui, whilst his mother, Robin, is a schoolteacher of European descent. Waititi’s maternal grandfather is of Russian Jewish heritage and his maternal grandmother is of Irish heritage.
  
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  February 12, 2020 8:14am
  - Swifty
    
    Edward ‘Tiger’ Waititi:
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/69633584/edward-waititi-the-tragic-demise-of-a-troubled-artist:
    
    Note the pall bearers:
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtIGdKSGqjY
    
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    February 12, 2020 8:23am
    - Right of way is Way of Right
      
      There is certainly a strong family resemblance between father and son, and given his heritage, this makes Taika’s success all the more remarkable. It proves that anyone can rise above their circumstances to become truly great, and only reinforces just how much of a positive influence his mother must have been on his life.
      
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      February 12, 2020 9:38am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        It’s noteworthy that Waititi got the idea for Jojo Rabbit from a book given to him by his mother.
        
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        February 12, 2020 9:42am
      - tf78
        
        A good mother makes for a great life for all.
        
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        February 12, 2020 11:59am
- hullkiwi
  
  Maggy may be Tamati and Newsroom/RNZ can remind us of which Oranga Tamariki office they attacked in the media last year. Now we have this episode in Flaxmere, where was the much touted whanau?
  
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  February 12, 2020 8:15am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    According to Morning Report the boy had been with his wider whanau until just recently when he had returned to his immediate family.
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=2018733751
    
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    February 12, 2020 8:35am
- Swifty
  
  I see again that Glenn McConnell, Stuff’s racist little cub reporter, is at it again today.
  
  He claims that both Taika and Keisha Castle-Hughes were the ‘first ever indigenous people’ to be nominated in their respective Oscar categories:
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/119416111/taika-waititi-is-22nd-kiwi-to-win-an-oscar
  
  I suppose therefore all the Brits, as but purely one example, don’t count as ‘indigenous’ in Glenn McConnell’s sick little world of identity politics.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_Award_for_Best_Adapted_Screenplay
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_Award_for_Best_Actress
  
  Are the Scots, English, Irish and Welsh not indigenous to their part of the world?
  
  Or does Glenn McConnell think they are ‘other’ and don’t count?
  
  Really Fairfax, isn’t it time someone has a quiet word with this kid?
  
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  February 12, 2020 8:51am
  - JackRabbit
    
    “He claims that both Taika and Keisha Castle-Hughes were the ‘first ever indigenous people’ to be nominated in their respective Oscar categories:”
    
    What does it matter, unless they think that being indigenous is more important than being a New Zealander.
    
    Indigenous: originating or occurring naturally in a particular place.
    
    Since according to history everyone is an immigrant, Taika and Keisha Castle-Hughes are no more or less indigenous than any other New Zealander. It is all a matter of length of time and since there were already people here before the Tahitian Maori, the claim of indigenous is a mute point.
    
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    February 12, 2020 1:23pm
- Komata
  
  Maggi@0809
  
  Umm, sorry, but ‘taint so..
  
  ‘Detective Inspector Mike Foster said the boy was being looked after by extended whānau at the time of the incident. He is now in the care of his immediate family’.
  
  Should we be surprised, with the ultimately sad thing being that when he is physically ‘better’ he will be returned to his ‘caring family group’, possibly for a case of ‘rinse and repeat’.
  
  Is ‘Murder’ the ultimate destination on his horizon perhaps? At least that would be a (perhaps merciful) escape?
  
  It seems to be the ‘very caring’ ‘Maori’ way, and don’t let the racist Whitey say otherwise…
  
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  February 12, 2020 9:24am
  - projectman
    
    Passing children on to extended family is sometimes a way of absolving oneself of parental responsibility.
    
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    February 12, 2020 11:44am
- Bobba Fret
  
  What a shame they didn’t take this child away from their family, then perhaps he wouldn’t be in Starship hospital.
  
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  February 12, 2020 9:32am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Bobba, with the carry on of the past 12 months that was unlikely to happen, particularly in Hawkes Bay.
    
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    February 12, 2020 9:53am
- John Warren
  
  I posted this in yesterday’s GD, without much in the way of comment. I think Tamati speaks for himself. But considering he’s both homosexual and maori, it’s probably no surprise that he feels a little oppressed and marginalised. He’s got a big chip on each shoulder.
  
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  February 12, 2020 10:23am
- Nickc2
  
  Tamati Coffey, another lefty polly looking for relevance so he’s pushing legalised Apartheid.
  
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  February 12, 2020 1:55pm
- GoVege
  
  Poor little dude.
  How could this level of violence go on for possibly days without other people in the house being aware of it?
  Apparently this case is similar to the fatal bashing of James Whakaruru, son of a 15 year old, by his brute of a “stepfather”.
  Was this another poor kid born to another vulnerable kid?
  Part of “Maori fertility” as a certain airhead describes the high rate of births in this age group.
  Was he a candidate for the terrible “uplifting” of Maori babies so many hui have been organized to defeat?
  Could he have been saved?
  
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  February 12, 2020 2:32pm
- RiP NZ
  
  Downticked accidentally.
  In the article there is a plea for Oranga Tamariki to ‘step up’.
  So, after lamenting the apparently horrific and racist uplifting of children, now being culpable in this.
  That poor young boy, literally weep at the thought of the violence he encountered, that no one should experience let alone a child.
  
  Who needs to step up?
  The racism here is that a cone of silence with protect the perpetrator just like the Kahui twins
  
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  February 12, 2020 5:01pm
Tony Stuart

Golriz Ghahraman on Twitter yesterday (from within the Debating Chamber):

Golriz Ghahraman
@golrizghahraman
Ron Mark just told an anecdote in the House about Mike Moore helping him put up new hoardings when he first ran as a candidate because his first ones had a photo that looked ‘too black’ and the National Party (Gerry B apparently) accused him of being Pakistani as an attack ?
2:54 PM · Feb 11, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

https://twitter.com/golrizghahraman/status/1227048353449406464

Compare Ghahraman’s interpretation of Ron Mark’s speech with the Hansard:

I remember that and I remember him talking to me. He helped me put up a hoarding. Clayton Cosgrove was one of “the Beagle Boys”. He used to come down to check on my campaign, to see how we were going. Clayton was sent down to keep an eye on the unions, and whether they were going turn up and veto my candidacy at my selection. Jessie Simpson,

I remember you and the rest of those boys. Mike sent Clayton down just to see how Ron did. Clayton came back and reported, and Mike said to him, “How’d he go?”, and he said, “Don’t worry about him. It’s all done. He’s the candidate.”

But then Mike sent Clayton back down to see me on another, more sensitive mission. When I had my hoardings produced for Selwyn we only had so much money and so we took a photograph in black and white and put it up. Gerry Brownlee might remember this. It was quite dark. Then the National Party team started talking about me not being a New Zealander, not being a Māori; being a Pakistani, and that word got out around the electorate: “Don’t vote for him, he’s a Pakistani”. Mike Moore called Clayton Cosgrove into his office and he said, “Mate, you need to go down and talk to our mate.” Clayton said, “What for?” He said, “Got to change his hoardings.” “Why?” “Because he’s too black.” Clayton said, “Stop. You want me to go down and tell this ex-army officer he’s got to pull all his hoardings down because he’s too black?”, and Mike said, “Yeah.”

So Clayton turns up and very tentatively and gingerly says, “Ah, mate, I need to talk to you about your hoardings.” I said, “Yeah. What?” He said, “Ah, well, Mike’s asked me—don’t take offence; please don’t be offended, and understand it’s about image, it’s about perception. But Mike’s says we need to change your photo. It’s a little bit dark.” I said, “Oh, it’s too black?” He said, “Yeah.”, and I said, “What are we going to do?” He said we’ll change it. I said, “OK”. So he rushed back, and Mike said, “Well, how did you go?”, and he said, “Done.” He said, “Oh, what are we going to do?” “We’ve got to change it. Only problem—he hasn’t got any money.” So that was sorted.

Then Mike came down and helped me put up some of my new hoardings with a colour photo, because we could afford to do it and I didn’t look so black, and people could no longer say I was a Pakistani and not a New Zealander any more.

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/document/HansS_20200211_052800000/mark-ron

On the face of it, Ron Mark was relating an amusing anecdote about the late Mike Moore during a debate where MP’s paid tribute to the former PM. However Ghahraman has put two and two together, and come up with 22, making an accusation that Gerry Brownlee “apparently” called Ron Mark a Pakistani.

Not only is this hugely disrespectful to the memory of Mike Moore, but she has made a serious reflection against Brownlee. Had she done so in the House, she would have been required to withdraw and apologise. Although she has been challenged by many people over the last 18 hours, she has neither withdrawn her allegation or apologised, nor made any attempt to correct her allegation.

Ms Ghahraman is quick to run to the media when someone makes an allegation against her; she plays the role of victim to perfection. On this occasion however she is NOT the victim but the perpetrator of an allegation of racism.
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February 12, 2020 8:12am
- Tricati
  
  Is she not the epitome of hypocrisy
  
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  February 12, 2020 8:20am
  - sooty
    
    She would not know if it bit her in the arse!
    
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    February 12, 2020 9:03am
  - Michael NZ
    
    Stephen Franks called her out on TV for changing her CV to suit her needs.
    
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    February 12, 2020 11:19am
- Tall Man
  
  And to think how many of my comments were deleted because I used her nickname …………
  
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  February 12, 2020 8:20am
- Prince
  
  As someone said yesterday, we should all encourage Golriz to give us her views regularly and loudly. Especially re immigration, the economy, taxes, the education curriculum etc. Let’s hear what ideas these exciting young Green MP’s have for the future of our country.
  
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  February 12, 2020 8:33am
  - John Warren
    
    The woman is nearly forty. How long does she get to hang onto the adjective “young”?
    
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    February 12, 2020 10:29am
    - sooty
      
      If the Comrade can, so can she!
      
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      February 12, 2020 10:51am
    - Raphael
      
      They keep calling our Glorious Leader young (she is a day older than me … and right now I’m not feeling particularly young) and often refer to her as a “young mother” (when medically speaking it was a geriatric pregnancy and doesn’t fit any common definition of “young mother”)
      
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      February 12, 2020 2:54pm
- mikenmildagain
  
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  That’s quite an attack of vapours you’re having there.
  
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  February 12, 2020 8:35am
  - Tall Man
    
    Proving once again that the “shoe” still fits.
    
    In my opinion mikey you are well off your game.
    
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    February 12, 2020 8:54am
    - sooty
      
      It’s the worry of the up coming election, that’s getting to him. He’s wondering if he has what it takes to perform in the public arena and to be a successful troll! Cause at the moment, he’s tits!
      
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      February 12, 2020 9:07am
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        That’s not being nice to tits. They have manifold uses…
        
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        February 12, 2020 9:21am
- toby1845
  
  That’s easy to refute. Mike Moore was rolled as Labour Leader in 1994, and Gerry Brownlee didn’t enter Parliament until 1996.
  
  Golriz has been caught lying……again.
  
  #NotTheFirstRefugeeMP #GGCompulsiveLiar #IranDeservesYou_WeDon’t
  
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  February 12, 2020 10:07am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I believe that, at the time, Gerry Brownlee was a National Party electorate chairman. He referred to it in his speech yesterday:
    
    Mike Moore was the MP for Christchurch North for 18 years, and I want to put on record that he was so highly respected by the Christchurch community in the role that he took. I was, for six of those years, the National Party’s electorate chairman in Christchurch North. We were constantly aware that we were opposing a man who was deeply revered and respected by the citizens of that particular electorate. I didn’t come to know him particularly well, but, when I came into Parliament in 1996, he was more than generous in giving advice about how one should conduct oneself in the parliamentary environment. And he was, of course, as we have heard said so often today, a great parliamentarian.
    
    https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20200211_20200211_12
    
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    February 12, 2020 12:31pm
- Rich Prick
  
  I’ve given up caring about accusations of racism from the fruit loops on the left. Hell, even the cat is racist these days.
  
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  February 12, 2020 10:13am
  - John Warren
    
    My cat is black. By definition he can’t be racist.
    
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    February 12, 2020 10:27am
- John Warren
  
  Golriz distorting the truth should come as no surprise by now.
  
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  February 12, 2020 10:27am
  - tf78
    
    She should be ousted from NZ for non appreciation of a once was Paradise.
    
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    February 12, 2020 6:47pm
hullkiwi

Interesting comment on RNZ this morning from Peters (who last year was denying the existence of the New Zealand First Foundation).

According to Ferguson, Peters has put up on his Facebook Page that he will reveal all about the New Zealand First Foundation, so has requested that people to get there questions in.

Funny as Ferguson pointed out, he was invited by RNZ to go on Morning Report to answer questions about the NZ First Foundation, but declined the invitation.

So, will it be a case of Peters answering only those questions that he and Brian have vetted First.
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February 12, 2020 8:12am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Peters is also probably the MP who has used the term “sub judice” more often than any other, as an excuse not to answer questions. For him to now be going down this route is both remarkable, and in my ever-humble opinion, extremely ill-advised.
  
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  February 12, 2020 8:17am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Yep.
    
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    February 12, 2020 8:21am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Whinestone has more smarts than a kiore.
    He’s now throwing the Foundation publicly into the arena for consideration of its legal validity in the Courts–where he wants it. That will shut us all up till after the elections.
    
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    February 12, 2020 8:59am
  - gorse
    
    He used the term “under sub judice” once. I laughed and laughed.
    
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    February 12, 2020 10:03am
    - John Warren
      
      I’m trying to rework that into something like “under the juice” but can’t quite get it right.
      
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      February 12, 2020 10:31am
- oldgolfer
  
  The noose is tightening.
  
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  February 12, 2020 10:28am
Simon

Who hacked Phil Goff emails and is committing extortion?

Is the CCP sending a message, upset over the China NZ travel ban?

CCP are a criminal hacking organisation. ( Huawei has directly benefited from CCP criminality. )

Australia’s cyber intelligence agency – the Australian Signals Directorate (ASD) – concluded in March that China’s Ministry of State Security was responsible for the attack, the five people with direct knowledge of the findings of the investigation told Reuters.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-australia-china-cyber-exclusive/exclusive-australia-concluded-china-was-behind-hack-on-parliament-political-parties-sources-idUSKBN1W00VF

February 10, 2020

Chinese Hackers Charged in Equifax Breach
Four Chinese military-backed hackers were indicted in connection with the 2017 cyberattack against Equifax, which led to the largest known theft of personally identifiable information ever carried out by state-sponsored actors.

https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/cyber/chinese-pla-members-54th-research-institute

Would be easy for CCP to be sending NZ’s clown show government a little message.
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February 12, 2020 8:14am
- cmm
  
  Would CCP really be wasting all those skills on a teenie, tiny country with a teeny tiny economy?
  
  Perhaps they’d assign it as spy-school homework, but it is hard to believe they’d set up a huge mission for a country that is about the same population as one of their suburbs.
  
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  February 12, 2020 8:27am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Yes. The Chinese financing of our political parties can be expected to pay dividends in term of hurting US security interests.
    
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    February 12, 2020 8:37am
  - SGA
    
    Perhaps they’d assign it as spy-school homework, but it is hard to believe they’d set up a huge mission
    
    Putting aside the issue of whether or not some Chinese agency were responsible – would it really be such a “huge mission” for a group whose job was hacking those sort of places. Or, would it be the sort of thing a small set of skilled, experienced professionals could pull off in a couple of days. For all we know, the Russians, Americans, Chinese, whoever have extensive intelligence units trying to hack computers all over the place – there’s a protocol of things to try and if you don’t have any luck move on to the next site. (tbh, that seems such an obvious way to gather intelligence – political, commercial, whatever – it seems unlikely it isn’t happening)
    
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    February 12, 2020 10:58am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    We are part of 5 eyes though, does anywhere else leak like we do or not take cybersecurity seriously?
    
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    February 12, 2020 11:04am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Infiltration of NZ has the potential to compromise Five Eyes information shared by the other member countries.
      A problem for a small country like NZ is that a comparatively small number of people have access to a wide range of sensitive allied information. There was always a worry in the cold war that the Soviets might try to exploit that vulnerability. Perhaps even more worringly, there is no (public) evidence that this ever happened.
      
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      February 12, 2020 12:57pm
      - tf78
        
        NZ, thanks to the COL has nearly been ousted from being a member of Five Eyes. Thank you Cindy.
        
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        February 12, 2020 6:49pm
  - Nickc2
    
    The Chinese are still seeking a more substantive footprint in the South Pacific. Slowly, slowly, Pacific Island nations are becoming indebted to China. In preventing this, NZ would only be viewed as a pimple on an elephant’s ares. Of little or no significance in other words.
    Australia is making noises but remember, they have a valued allie (the US) on their side, we currently don’t. We can’t even get a deal for our aluminium and steel with the US. Thanks Cindy for nothing.
    
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    February 12, 2020 2:10pm
oldpark

Decisions and choices . Peters might be a Poison Chalice for NZ . His competition NZs Green/Labour Partys’ they are a jumbo jet full of Poison Chalices for NZ .
I would trust Peters a lot more than the Commie Greens/Labour Partys’ who would sell their grannies for ideology even if it forever destroys NZs way of life and well being.
Just imagine a Labour /Green NZ Government
without a common sense influence keeping that rabble in check .
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February 12, 2020 8:16am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Just imagine not needing the corrupt old fucker because he didn’t sell himself to the COL?
  
  Its a confidence racket, “See, I let the communists take power, now you need me to help keep them reasonable”. Look over here folks! Winston Peters, the sensible voice of reason!! Roll up! Roll Up!
  
  Hmm, on reflection, No! Fuck off Winston, you are a shit stain on NZ democracy!
  
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  February 12, 2020 8:30am
- Poppa
  
  I agree with that OP, but, to be rid of that charlatan once & for all would be worth the pain
  
  Peters is only in it for himself as the donations saga proves. I know the racing industry needs to be overhauled but he is doing it in order to feather his nest
  
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  February 12, 2020 8:34am
- Prince
  
  Exactly. This year NZ has a choice between
  a) Labour/Greens with Ministers Marama, Golriz et al emboldened
  b) Labour/Green/NZ First with corruption being added to that mix
  c) A new National Government.
  Not that hard a choice.
  
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  February 12, 2020 8:38am
  - Raphael
    
    unfortunately there is a large swathe of the population who think our Glorious Leader has a solar emitting backside because she gives cuddles
    
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    February 12, 2020 11:10am
    - tf78
      
      Not my leader, never has been and never will be.
      
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      February 12, 2020 6:50pm
- notreadyet
  
  The common sense from him that put them in there in the first place, so dam right that he should be some form of handbrake on them, and he font deserve any applause for that
  
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  February 12, 2020 8:41am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Risk we will have to take, a clear choice.
  
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  February 12, 2020 11:54am
- Nickc2
  
  Australia recently had a Labor/Green government under the direction of Rudd, Gillard, Rudd. That stood their country in good stead didn’t it?
  It’s taken Australia some time to climb out of debt since that dynamic trio departed the scene for UN/UN sponsored jobs.
  
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  February 12, 2020 2:17pm
Yadayada

The Year of Delivery brought this:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/119413088/youth-suicide-struggling-families-highlighted-in-salvation-armys-state-of-the-nation-report

Good to see the PM on top of her portfolios
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February 12, 2020 8:17am
- Fletch
  
  And all this while we’re about to hold a referendum as to whether to make suicide legal….
  
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  February 12, 2020 8:30am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    What punishment do you recommend for people who commit the crime of suicide?
    
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    February 12, 2020 8:41am
    - Minsk400
      
      To quote C.S. Lewis, “they should be first beaten to death and then burned alive and after that be kept on bread and water for six weeks. There.”
      
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      February 12, 2020 9:07am
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      “Punishing the crime of suicide”. That formulation is Idiocy On Tall Stilts. The dead are dead and may they RIP howsoever they die. But criminally assisting voluntary death should, in my opinion, remain a crime. The slippery slope is real. We’ve all seen it overseas. And sad to say but real – if someone wants to kill themselves, there are very many ways to do so without employing an outside party – whose agendas are not always the best interests of the dying patient. We don’t need more government in this sensitive area of life and death, we need less.
      
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      February 12, 2020 9:25am
  - Tall Man
    
    Two separate issues in my mind.
    
    Ending a life early to reduce unnecessary suffering is not the same as ending a life because a future cannot be seen.
    
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    February 12, 2020 8:52am
  - Stephieboy2
    
    Fletch, I think people of good sense and judgement understand clearly the distinction between self inflicted harm( ie Sucide ) and voluntary assisted dying ( voluntary euthanasia )
    
    BTW the later has nothing to do with getting rid of the mentally ill or defective etc .
    
    Sucide as a crime was removed from the Crimes Act a very, very long time ago without hardly a murmur.
    
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    February 12, 2020 10:01am
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      “…voluntary assisted dying ( voluntary euthanasia)…
      BTW the later has nothing to do with getting rid of the mentally ill or defective etc ”
      
      That’s the intent. That’s not the result we have seen in for example the Netherlands and Oregon…
      
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      February 12, 2020 11:08am
      - Stephieboy2
        
        “Thats the intent” Not here nor in Netherlands or Oregan!
        
        There is no Nazi T4 Action on either country.
        
        Fact!
        
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        February 12, 2020 2:23pm
- Nickc2
  
  Yep and a housing surplus in Auckland of all places. These Labour ministers really know their stuff don’t they? NOT.
  
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  February 12, 2020 2:19pm
  - tf78
    
    I’m not quite sure, but I think they were including “consented” housing – all smoke and mirrors once again.
    
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    February 12, 2020 6:52pm
    - Nickc2
      
      News is news as reported in NZ. We deplorables are not permitted access to contradictory evidence.
      
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      February 12, 2020 8:56pm
alex Masterley

More on the NZ first foundation/NZ first in the horrid today, and not behind the paywall.
Looks like Guyon Espiner has the bit between his teeth.
There will be people in the racing industry who will be pissed off to see their names in the wrong sort of black type.
I suspect that when NZ firsts begging bowl is circulated it will come back empty.
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February 12, 2020 8:17am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Based on the information disclosed by Espiner this morning, the PM would be justified in removing the Racing portfolio from Peters.
  
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  February 12, 2020 12:33pm
artemisia

Herald reporting today on racing industry donations to the NZ First Foundation. Including from the Lindsays (ex Sistema). They were not aware they were donating to the NZF Foundation, and the reason the amounts were just under the threshold is “internal payment processes from our end”.

The various racing industry donors are I am sure all upstanding citizens (absolutely no sarc intended).

But there are themes and threads emerging, circumstantial perhaps, but you know what they say about a trout in the milk.
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February 12, 2020 8:18am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Ah yes, internal administrative systems! of course, why not. Nothing to see here, move along!
  
  The only internal system that I can think of, is that there is a financial delegation in place, whereby a middle manager can approve expenditure up to $XX without needing approval up the line.
  
  If this was my company, and this was the case – non-business related payments below a financial delegation, that particular manager would have been walked out the door. How many other under the delegation payments had he/she made?
  
  So, this is either a fib, or internal fraud. Interesting. The Auditors will be very interested..
  
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  February 12, 2020 8:34am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    As will the Serious Fraud Office…
    
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    February 12, 2020 9:07am
  - Paulus
    
    If this was my Company I believe my Auditors would not sign he Accounts as there is an irregularity which needs to be cleared up ——
    for how many years has this irregularity been going on !
    
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    February 12, 2020 1:43pm
peterwn

The Bob Jones defamation trial is turning into one big farce. Bob could not find his hearing aid yesterday delaying things by an hour. He should have full costs awarded against him for that hour. He said that the petition re stripping his knighthood was ‘attention seeking’, but hey, Bob remember the billboard you had put up ‘Mat Rata Reads Comics’ – that was attention seeking wasn’t it. So Bob can give and cannot take. Anyway what has the petition got to do with the price of fish with regard to the trial?
Bob claims his piece was satirical, but a satirical writer takes the risk that it could be taken seriously. Renae believed it was serious and responded as such. Given that belief her response in my opinion was not defamatory.
Also it now seems the real issue is a philosophical one – which should be for philosophers, not judges to sort out.
The trial is set down for two weeks. Two weeks! I cannot believe it – two days should have sufficed if that.
Indeed, justice, like the Ritz Hotel, is open to all.
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February 12, 2020 8:22am
- Prince
  
  Bob needs to understand that only Satire that attacks the Right Wing is allowed here.
  
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  February 12, 2020 8:43am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Typical of a bully. Likes to dish it out, but his own ego is too fragile to handle any comeback.
  
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  February 12, 2020 8:43am
  - toby1845
    
    Sorry, why are you bringing Jacinda Ardern and Gholriz Coriander into the discussion?
    
    Start a new thread.
    
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    February 12, 2020 10:10am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The Ritz charges high prices and is not available to most people.
  
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  February 12, 2020 9:02am
  - peterwn
    
    Precisely! Same with justice.
    
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    February 12, 2020 9:45am
    - sooty
      
      Sir BOb can afford a suite!
      
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      February 12, 2020 10:55am
      - peterwn
        
        Bob can also afford to have a sense of humour and not try and drive Renae and others in a similar situation into the Bankruptcy Court.
        If Bob had any honour he would pay for her defence – after all he only wishes to make a point.
        
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        February 12, 2020 2:07pm
Yvette

Just over a month away in the first anniversary of the Christchurch mosques atrocity shootings, and any commemorative event, in whatever form that may take.
One image of course recognisant of what happened is the Prime Minister adorned in hijab, which did engender some controversy as some thought it appropriate and, for various just as genuine reasons, others did not.

Apparently Jacinda Ardern did not over-think the matter –
“Very little of what I have done has been deliberate. It’s intuitive. I think it’s just the nature of an event like this. There is very little time to sit and think in those terms. You just do what feels right …
The elements of that surprised me,” says Ardern today. “When I had the all-clear to go down on Saturday, I asked a friend if they had something for me to borrow. If I’d been [at home] in Auckland it would have been different, but I didn’t have scarves with me. So I asked if she had something I could borrow, because for me it was just a mark of respect. It was naturally what you would do. So, no, I didn’t really think about that, either.” [1]

But was there slight mental dissonance in saying “They are us” but then adorning the controversial garment to adopt Islamic dress – an act to actually identify with “those who are us”?

Later, it was suggested to her that it was an important symbol of solidarity with Muslim women in New Zealand, who felt unsafe. “I hadn’t thought about it in those terms. It felt incredibly sad but completely obvious as well, that there would be those who would be worried. You know, the Muslim community was so obviously targeted, and they wear their faith so openly.”

Last year “there is very little time to sit and think in those terms” but now there has already been nearly 11 months and there has been time for some input from experts in the significance of wearing the hijab, or in up-coming commemorative event, not wearing it.

To consider if an intuitive gesture is appropriate a second time, after world reaction, or just being present as who you simply are?

[1] Toby Manhire https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/06/jacinda-ardern-intuitive-courage-new-zealand
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February 12, 2020 8:26am
- Tall Man
  
  Intuitive courage or intuitive stupidity.
  
  You decide.
  
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  February 12, 2020 8:48am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    Intuitive self-promotion.
    
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    February 12, 2020 9:27am
- Stephieboy2
  
  Yvette , good job with out of context and selective quoting.
  
  What would you have done in similar circumstances is the relevant issue ( apart from maybe refusing to don a hijab)
  
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  February 12, 2020 4:01pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    You’re a fine one to accuse someone of “out of context and selective quoting” Stephieboy. You yourself have made an art form of it.
    
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    February 12, 2020 4:29pm
  - tf78
    
    Just be PM and a normal New Zealander for a start. She created division with her actions.
    
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    February 12, 2020 6:54pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Shaming women for their bodies and hair is simply wrong. That’s what burhkas and hijabs do: tell women they should be ashamed of their bodies and hair.
  
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  February 12, 2020 7:23pm
Fletch

The Blue Collar Logic guy has put a video up about Pete Buttigieg. Did he do any good as mayor of a small town of only 102,000 people? Well, Pete’s town is listed in the ‘Safest Cities in Indiana’ by SafeWise as the second worst – 38 in a list of 39. While Mayor Pete was in office, violent crime went up 70%, according to the Wall Street Journal, while violent crime in America as a whole declined by 2%. Worse than Chicago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKpElNIz7Ik

Sorry, but if you’re looking for salvation from Pete as a candidate, well… The whole Democrat line up is just awful. As Leslie Nielson joked in Naked Gun 2½, “I want a world where the Democrats will put somebody up there worth voting for” ?

https://youtu.be/zeN7D1x-phc?t=337
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February 12, 2020 8:44am
KH

More stupidity from the USA in the middle east.
Al Qaeda killed 3000 people in the twin towers. Extermination of Al Qaeda is entirely reasonable. But what happens now tenty years later.
HTS is the renamed successor to Al Qaeda. In the last few weeks the Syrian Government has killed many, and finally reopened the Damascus Aleppo motorway. Turkey doesn’t like this so supplies these fundamentalist headchoppers with serious equipment.
Pompeo sends an envoy to Turkey to offer Turkey assistance. Stupid ?
https://southfront.org/in-photo-turkish-delivered-armoured-vehicles-in-hands-of-hayat-tahrir-al-sham/
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February 12, 2020 8:47am
Paulus

Accidentally saw O’Brien on TV (in Motel) this morning.
You would have thought that if she had any semblance of intelligence she would temper her views to the real world.
He connection with Lee Ross has got to her – why ?
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February 12, 2020 8:47am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Should have been watching porn instead?
  
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  February 12, 2020 12:22pm
  - Paulus
    
    Couldn’t watch Porn – wife does not let me !
    
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    February 12, 2020 1:45pm
    - sooty
      
      I bet Shanes wife, won’t let him know either!
      
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      February 12, 2020 3:06pm
plc

“WE WERE WRONG”

What you won’t hear from all the people who berated Oranga Tamiriki as racist for taking children from unsafe environments.

I’m waiting to hear ex-Judge Beecroft, all the “Aunties” who have their snouts in Whanua Ora etc.

So remind me again. Is it racist to remove the children from their feral families or is it racist to leave them there to be killed?
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February 12, 2020 9:07am
- Komata
  
  plc@0907
  
  Re: ‘Is it racist to remove the children from their feral families or is it racist to leave them there to be killed?’
  
  The answer is ‘Yes’, but only if WHITE (or indeed any non-Maori) people do it, ‘cos it’s ‘culturally insensitive’ and no-one else can understand Maori better than Maori themselves…
  
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  February 12, 2020 9:35am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I heard them both on Morning Report this morning…
  Becroft reckons the adults in the family need to speak up:
  Children’s Commissioner Andrew Becroft would not comment on this specific case but said families have a responsibility to speak up.
  
  “We can’t hide this issue, it’s a matter of national concern if not shame generally, and we’re better than that as a country, we can do better.
  
  “But it starts with adults acting like adults and ensuring that children are put first and are protected.”
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/409323/police-say-family-of-severely-beaten-child-in-flaxmere-must-front-up
  
  Somehow don’t think he’s got to the nub of the issue.
  
  and Dame Tariana Turia is adamant that Whanau Ora can sort everything for Maori.
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018733751/dames-meet-prime-minister-over-whanau-ora-funding
  
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  February 12, 2020 9:43am
  - Komata
    
    Maggie@0943
    
    Re: ‘[Beecroft] said families have a responsibility to speak up.’
    
    He’s obviously NEVER lived inside a Maori family or within their culture and has absolutely no idea about the realities!
    
    Because ‘Once Were Warriors’ isn’t a work of fiction, there is no way that what he suggests will happen…
    
    Makes him feel important and gets MSM attention, I guess..
    
    And as for the Dame?
    
    ‘Sticking Plaster’ only covers the wound, it doesn’t heal it…(but it looks good in the media and gets lots of money which then ‘mysteriously’ disappears… ).
    
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    February 12, 2020 12:20pm
    - Stephieboy2
      
      “He’s obviously NEVER lived inside a Maori family or within their culture and has absolutely no idea about the realities! ”
      
      Unlike you?
      
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      February 12, 2020 2:19pm
Botany Bill

Does anyone know why the repeatedly disgraced MP for Botany hasn’t resigned from Parliament yet? How much public shame and humiliation can one person visit on their poor family before they call it quits and recede from the limelight? Given his character, or lack thereof, there’s no doubt more bad publicity to come of a personally embarrassing nature and for him to blame his latest troubles on his political opponents is just more evidence that he cannot take responsibility for his actions. The 2020 general election cannot come fast enough for the voters of Botany.
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February 12, 2020 9:11am
- Ruahine
  
  I think the answer as to why the present MP for Botany has not had the decency to resign has a lot to do with the amount of Parliamentary Salary he draws and will continue to draw for 3 more months after his defeat in the coming election.
  
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  February 12, 2020 9:43am
sooty

Mirror, mirror on the wall,who is the best troll of all?
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February 12, 2020 9:15am
- Garbageman
  
  Trolling skills
  On my biannual visit to The Standard i came across this comment on a thread from one Mr SPC delighting his audience on how he stuffed an entire thread on KB
  “SPC2.2.1.4.1
  10 February 2020 at 9:49 pm
  I made a bit of a mess on that blogpost. I felt it a public service to prevent them from getting their hopes back up after the latest poll … . ”
  Such a hero eh
  Yet if the situation was reversed you would be abused and rapidly booted from their site, yet knowing this KB still gives these muppets a voice but thats democracy for you one day the left wing cancel culture clowns will understand this just dont hold your breath waiting
  
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  February 12, 2020 11:54am
  - Stephieboy2
    
    Speaking of Trollin skills here is a genuine collectiable,
    
    Collectable President Donald Trump Troll Doll – Hair to the Chief
    
    by Design Masters
    
    https://www.amazon.com/Collectible-President-Donald-Trump-Troll/dp/B06XNXQQ6D
    
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    February 12, 2020 2:18pm
KevO'Brien

Yeah!
Finished writing my book and illustrations: “My First 80 Years.”
Very wide ranging. I created State institutions, turned a major opposition seat into a marginal one, had 8 children over 48 years, several miracles both personal and family. Still going strong; in recent years fixed arthritis pain in knees and hips as well as psoriasis and for others eczema and ulcers through my RunItOn products. The book also publishes my research on investment grade shares and proves the proposition that companies of the same size with the same earnings potential have the same value–price is moved separately by liquidity.
The book is in colour throughout and will be 330+ pages. Publication is likely to be in March. The cover art awaits my attention.
Blessings, Kev.
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February 12, 2020 9:24am
- Tall Man
  
  Thanks Kev but I’ll wait for the “Next 80” if that’s ok with you 😉
  
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  February 12, 2020 11:16am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    I’m a bit time dated.
    
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    February 12, 2020 4:48pm
Mike22240

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=4085706698122093&id=155656867793782

Wonder if he has a big no gif for social media or if he is hoping to avoid/block hard questions about integrity all together this way.
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February 12, 2020 9:34am
- Gravyman2
  
  The stupid in the comments hurt my head….
  
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  February 12, 2020 1:16pm
Right of way is Way of Right

I’m starting to wonder if the SFO is the right place to investigate Winston’s donations.

It’s starting to look as if a Stewards Inquiry might be more apt!
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February 12, 2020 9:34am
lastmanstanding

The bird that runs the SFO will have had her instructions. That is wait a couple of months and then say yeah nah not conclusive that anything was done wrong.

Winston will claim hes exonerated as usual.

However unless he can pull a rabbit out of the hat I think he is done this time.

Labour/Greens Government so the Greens can push their more extreme policies and Labour can wreck the economy in time for the Nats to pick up the pieces and rebuild as they have done so many times before.
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February 12, 2020 9:38am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Winston is only “done’ if we let him get away with his donor hiding scheme. Legal doesn’t make it proper. Others are required to disclose and fair elections mean the same rules for all. Not being transparent raises worries about what might be happening–what privileges are being offered to classes of donors?
  Winston is putting himself in a position where his integrity could be questioned. Plenty of political ammunition there.He would be best retired.
  
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  February 12, 2020 1:12pm
  - Nickc2
    
    We don’t hear much about the money Winston’s party owes to the NZ taxpayer from his previous time in office where he supposedly donated what they owed to a children’s hospital.
    IMHO, the money is still owed to the NZ Taxpayer.
    If all of us could stipulate where our taxes/fines etc went, there would be no money left to pay Politicians.
    Yea, lets do it!
    
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    February 12, 2020 2:31pm
- GJM
  
  You Re assuming there will be an election in 2023 if the Greens and Jacinda win the next one. I certainly wouldn’t bet on it, especially if they had some one competent and charismatic running the show. They already have state controlled media and the thought police. Canceled elections must be on the list.
  
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  February 12, 2020 9:46pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Maxwell Smart alive & well, it seems

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/feb/11/crypto-ag-cia-bnd-germany-intelligence-report

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/02/11/crypto_ag_backdoored_german_swiss_news_allegs/
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February 12, 2020 10:19am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psNaTJGI0cc

Bernie After Iowa. Another day at NPC University.
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February 12, 2020 11:06am
curry4me

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/barr-announces-new-sanctuary-policies

The AG is finally willing to go after actual officials in ‘sanctuary cities’.
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February 12, 2020 11:07am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj0Dy-9A3P0
President Trumps wall in Mexico represents an end run around the open borders crowd from both parties.
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February 12, 2020 11:09am
mikenmildagain

Hey, it’s Red Hand Day – the International Day against the Use of Child Soldiers.
So don’t go out there using any child soldiers today.
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February 12, 2020 11:11am
- rangitoto
  
  They are much better at lithium mining than as soldiers. I’ll just keep them mining thanks.
  
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  February 12, 2020 12:06pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Perhaps we could talk again on 12 June:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Day_Against_Child_Labour
    
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    February 12, 2020 12:48pm
- emmess
  
  So no School Strike for Climate today, then?
  Ok, tomorrow will have to do.
  
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  February 12, 2020 4:07pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Will Jacinda Ardern stand Winston down as Minister of Racing?

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2020/02/12/1031403/winston-peters-should-stand-down-as-racing-minister
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February 12, 2020 11:33am
- Swifty
  
  Thanks Maggy – good on Hickey.
  
  It is cash for policy – plain and simple.
  
  If this was under Key the left and the media would be in an uproar, social media would be aflame, Labour MPs would be screaming and yelling blue murder in the House, the unions would be whipping up demonstrations on Queen St and Lambton Quay and there would be multiple hikoi marching on Parliament.
  
  But, as we have seen oh so many times, when it comes to their own the left is full of steaming hypocrites.
  
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  February 12, 2020 12:08pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    There is no evidence of cash for policy but Winston’s donor cloak doesn’t make that obvious.
    
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    February 12, 2020 1:14pm
    - Swifty
      
      That’s right KevOB – NZ First’s policy planks on fishing, horse breeding and racing etc are just completely co-incidental.
      
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      February 12, 2020 2:02pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Busy day in Parliament today?
https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/order-paper-questions/list-of-oral-questions/oral-questions-12-february-2020/
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February 12, 2020 12:21pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  The main order of business today, after Question Time, will be the Debate on the Prime Minister’s Statement. Ms Ardern will make a 20 minute speech after which party leaders will reply for 20 minutes each, and other MP’s will have to opportunity to give 10 minute speeches. The total time for the debate is 13 hours.
  
  This will be a wide-ranging debate as the PM outlines the Government’s agenda for the year, and the Opposition has considerable licence to critique the Government’s performance, and offer up alternatives. It will set the tone for the year.
  
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  February 12, 2020 12:39pm
  - sooty
    
    The Ducky is going to be busy protecting the Comrade Cindyin the house today!
    
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    February 12, 2020 2:59pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      He’s already ripped Bridges up on a trivial matter.
      
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      February 12, 2020 4:04pm
Manolo

Ancient Joe doesn’t inspire confidence, does he?
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/02/11/joe-biden-leaves-new-hampshire/
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February 12, 2020 12:23pm
Komata

MaggieW@1221

Thank you for the list. It’s curious that Q.3 is a repeat of Q.2, although it DOES give Simon two goes at Cindy…
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February 12, 2020 12:30pm
Happychappy

All the stories about the horseracing fraternity donations seemed to have been removed from all media sites, so does anybody know any news on this or has Peter’s threatened the media with law suits.
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February 12, 2020 12:59pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Plenty of detail in this report:
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018733740/racing-industry-donated-thousands-to-nz-first-foundation
  
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  February 12, 2020 1:21pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  The RNZ story from Guyon Espiner and Kate Newton is still on the RNZ website Happychappy as of 1.25pm:
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/in-depth/409320/nz-first-foundation-received-tens-of-thousands-of-dollars-from-donors-in-horse-racing-industry
  
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  February 12, 2020 1:27pm
Belinda

Why is this woman reading lunchtime news on tv one calling New Zealand Aotearoa ?
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February 12, 2020 1:12pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Possibly because Aotearoa is the Maori name for New Zealand, and Maori is one of our official languages. Watch out, she might also say ‘kia ora’.
  
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  February 12, 2020 1:23pm
  - Swifty
    
    “Possibly because Aotearoa is the Maori name for New Zealand…”
    
    I thought it was the name used by SOME Maori for the North Island, only.
    
    But seeing as you’re always right about everything I guess I was wrong.
    
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    February 12, 2020 2:01pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      So it appears. The North Island is also known as Te Ika a Maui, but since the late 19th century Aotearoa has come to mean the country as a whole.
      
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      February 12, 2020 2:22pm
    - rangitoto
      
      It’s interesting that Cook wrote Tovy Poenammoo as the name some Maori used for the South Island. Now rendered as Te Wai Pounamu. No doubt reflects changes in both English and Maori pronunciation over the years.
      
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      February 12, 2020 3:28pm
- John Warren
  
  Because they’re slowly brainwashing us into accepting it by normalising it.
  
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  February 12, 2020 1:37pm
  - Belinda
    
    And that is exactly what I think is happening.
    
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    February 12, 2020 3:45pm
- Garbageman
  
  Don’t sweat it Belinda you only hear it if you listen to or watch the media and they have a quota & a look at me liberal mindset, no-one in your everyday life will be using those words to describe NZ or any of the other commonly used phrases used by the media & that includes most Maori, p.s life is so much less headache inducing if you just switch the fools off
  
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  February 12, 2020 2:23pm
Hugh Pavletich

CHINA …

Scared, defiant, now missing – China’s coronavirus storytellers pay the price … AP / Stuff New Zealand

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/119443348/scared-defiant-now-missing–coronavirus-storytellers-pay-the-price

After nearly a week of roaming China’s epidemic-struck city, filming the dead and the sickened in overwhelmed hospitals, the strain of being hounded by both the new virus and the country’s dissent-quelling police started to tell. … read more via hyperlink above …
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.
… as they sing from Les Miserables ‘Do you hear the people sing …’ in Wuhan …

https://www.google.com/search?ei=YjdDXq2-AtOZ4-EPta6_0Aw&q=wuhan les miserables&oq=wuhan les miserables&gs_l=psy-ab.12…1020385.1034516..1043443…0.3..3.209.4593.1j18j6……0….1..gws-wiz…..0..0i71j0i131i67j0i67j0i131j0j0i3j0i22i30j33i160.C08Rh8-3ptk&ved=0ahUKEwit986e0srnAhXTzDgGHTXXD8oQ4dUDCAs
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February 12, 2020 1:26pm
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Just google search ‘Wuhan Les Miserables’.
  
  Note above a ‘+’ is omitted between wuhan+les miserables above.
  
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  February 12, 2020 1:39pm
emmess

Biden at 7% on early NH results

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/new_hampshire_democratic_primary_results.html
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February 12, 2020 1:49pm
- DigNap15
  
  Not only is he a geriatric and failed before,
  but him and his son are knee deep in corruption.
  
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  February 12, 2020 3:19pm
- Ed Snack
  
  With 55% counted, it’s Bernie with 26.4 and Pete on 23.7 leading. Surprise is Klobuchar on 19.9, then Warren on 9.5 and Biden on 8.5. Next Steyer on 3.5, Gabbard on 3.2, and Yang 2.9.
  
  Yang has suspended his campaign, so he’s out. Bernie is not showing anything like the support he had in 2016, so perhaps that shows that back then he was very much a ABHC candidate (anyone but …). Buttigieg hasn’t managed to pass Bernie, but Klobuchar is way up on expectations.
  
  Warren must have real doubts now, and Biden, he’s always been toast, but now surely his backers are going to have to seriously question his viability.
  
  It’s Nevada next and Joe’s not campaigning there, if he stays in he simply has to win SC by a big margin and his lead there has crumbled. A sensible campaigner would quit, but Joe, maybe not.
  
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  February 12, 2020 4:11pm
- Ed Snack
  
  And at 61% Bernie’s down to 26 and Pete up to 23.9, Amy to 20.1.
  
  These are the big three now, but my guess is that this is a body blow to Bernie. It’s his sort of state and if he can’t get a clear lead now he won’t be able to overcome the party resistance in a way he could if he was the clear front runner by a comfortable margin. He seems to have an intensely loyal core, but limited support outside that and doesn’t attract independents.
  
  So my guess is it’s Pete v Amy. Maybe Bloomberg can get traction with his money where Steyer has failed. Warren May limp on but needs a strong showing somewhere. Biden is goneburger, 5th here just seals that. Yang has pulled out, Gabbard may continue but she’s not a serious contender.
  
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  February 12, 2020 4:16pm
Inandout

Is Flaxmere the killing fields of Hastings?
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February 12, 2020 1:57pm
- John Warren
  
  We lived in Hawkes Bay for a year in 2007-8. Loved it there, but we went for a drive through Flaxmere once. Just once.
  
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  February 12, 2020 2:34pm
- Stephieboy2
  
  No! Heres why
  
  https://www.dw.com/en/khmer-rouge-genocide-in-cambodia-did-justice-take-too-long/a-46325353,
  
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  February 12, 2020 2:36pm
Surely Knott

Sam Macdonald, Labour, is hassling the Young Nats on twitter for being too white and poor dancers. Am I missing something? Sam Macdonald seems to be very white himself. And the next question is can he dance. If he is willing to throw shade on other peoples dancing he should put a video online of his own skills. Finally what was most notable about the Young Nats twitter conference image was that they all appeared sober, fully clothed and had their hands to themselves.
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February 12, 2020 2:01pm
Zebulon

Under Labour’s/Green’s watch: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/12/one-thousand-at-risk-seagulls-moved-to-make-way-for-americas-cup-ferry-terminal

Let’s remember that despite the left’s bleatings it is actually National that is the real environmental protection party. The Kermadec Sanctuary is proof. The facts speak for themselves but more people need to hear them.
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February 12, 2020 2:49pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Redbills’ relocation organised by my old Ph.D. lab colleague.
  
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  February 12, 2020 3:47pm
John Warren

So some mongrel in Flaxmere beats the living shit out of a 4 year old boy, leaving him critically injured and permanently brain-damaged, and the family have all clammed up. Where have we heard this before?
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February 12, 2020 4:04pm
- sooty
  
  Regularly, usually by indigenous people!
  
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  February 12, 2020 4:54pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  “We need to have higher intervention.”
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/409368/it-s-breaking-my-heart-karakia-for-severely-beaten-boy
  
  Goodness only knows who she means…
  
  The Authorities seem powerless;
  the whanau are either complicit or hopeless
  
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  February 12, 2020 5:03pm
  - Gravelroad
    
    Have said this before, but, I could summon up a bit of respect for Ms Ardern if she used her star power and kindness to make a stand and speak up against this barbaric treatment of children.
    As far as I know, she hasn’t – and won’t. Can’t upset a voter base.
    As for the Minister for Children, Ms Tracey Martin – ditto as above.
    People who beat up animals (especially farm animals) are called to account quicker than these so called “carers”.
    
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    February 12, 2020 7:28pm
Komata

Sooty@1645

But don’t forget, only MAORI can look after Maori…

(Though their leaders will quite happily accept any conscience-salving ‘koha’ that whitey can be be conned into to give them, then keep it for themselves, for ‘The good of the tribe’).
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February 12, 2020 5:10pm
- Sacha
  
  If only Maori can look after Maori , then perhaps we non-Maori should mind our own business and leave them to it.
  Except . . . . . . .
  
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  February 12, 2020 11:04pm
  - John Warren
    
    And take our money with us.
    
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    February 13, 2020 9:41am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

My partner is amazing! She just surprised me with a $250K life insurance policy and a trip to China
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February 12, 2020 5:39pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Oscars. Careful lefties, you may get triggered.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxDyP_KsyCs
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February 12, 2020 6:06pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

“No great brain, but a big smile” This was in 1980. Looks like Trump had a gutsful of corruption 36 years on.
Lefties, careful, don’t get triggered.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAgJAxkALyc
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February 12, 2020 6:14pm
Scooter

Oh dear that’s an unfortunate photo of JA on the Herald site and I thought Audrey was a fan.
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February 12, 2020 8:42pm
MrTips

No Taika. You’re just not funny most of the time. https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/entertainment/2020/02/the-ellen-show-audience-didn-t-get-taika-waititi-s-kiwi-humour-in-debut-appearance.html

It’s going to your head….boi.
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