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cmm

Kiwi tourist to Oz be deported back here after nearly killing someone with a king hit in a wee mix up.

Poor sausage will never be allowed to go visit mates and family in Oz.

Defence solicitor said it was completely out of character.

Hmmm. How many people on KB could execute a king hit and put someone in a coma? That’s not in my skill set.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/119411222/nz-tourist-to-be-deported-from-australia-after-attack
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February 11, 2020 9:11am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Any male can do that. There’s an element of luck to it, but thumping someone in the head unawares or from the side has a non-zero chance of killing.
  
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  February 11, 2020 9:23am
  - MickeyD
    
    You mean any coward can do it?
    A king hit is the same as a gang of thugs attacking an individual. Pack mentality!!
    
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    February 12, 2020 7:21am
- Local Miller
  
  No skill required, it wasn’t the hit that did it. Actually he was PLACED in a coma because of injuries sustained when the victim fell over and hit his head on the concrete driveway. Any fool can do this, and this one did. Isn’t it always “out of character”?
  So he’s in jail for 12 months, then comes home to NZ to carry on with his crap. Another catch and release!
  
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  February 11, 2020 9:34am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Alcohol doesn’t change people’s nature. It just reduces inhibitions. People do things when drunk that they wanted to do when sober. So the ‘out of character’ assertion is nonsense. Unfortunately the Australians only sentenced him to 12 monts because they know he won’t be their problem after they let him out.
  
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  February 11, 2020 9:47am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    I’m sure he was a lovely boy, who loved his mother too. Funny how they all are!
    
    Normally the family will also float an angelic photo of the culprit, taken when he was 10, and not the tattooed thug he is today (cf Trayvon Martin).
    
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    February 11, 2020 10:28am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      . . . turning his life around, good boy really . . .
      
      All the usual crap that nobody but his mother believes and I am sure she is not really really convinced either . . .
      
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      February 11, 2020 10:43am
  - peterwn
    
    However why should the long suffering Australian taxpayer have to pay his board and keep for many years? 12 months in prison covers the denunciation aspect and being booted out of Oz permanently makes up for the short sentence.
    
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    February 11, 2020 10:38am
  - GoVege
    
    Exactly (again 🙂 ), Nigel.
    A neighbour of mine told me the only time her Maori partner raised his hand to her was when he was drunk.
    As soon as he saw her cowering, he immediately dropped his hand and never did it again.
    He was also hardworking, a wonderful father, waited on her hand and foot, but she ditched him anyway, crazy b***h….
    
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    February 11, 2020 12:00pm
- Rich Prick
  
  It’s a genetic trait, you either have it or you don’t.
  
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  February 11, 2020 9:48am
  - sooty
    
    Poor NZ! Another deportee.
    
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    February 11, 2020 9:58am
  - MickeyD
    
    Strange thing is many kiwis have it!
    I witnessed a fight in Queen street several years back and saw no less that 4 separate king hits in a single brawl. When the cops arrived everyone pleaded innocence.
    
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    February 12, 2020 7:24am
- Wangas Feral
  
  Having been on the wrong end of one back in 1989 in London I can tell you that they are not pleasant. I was knocked out and fortunately only had one broken tooth. I never saw or was in any way aware of the attack until I was being lifted off the floor and put onto a seat.
  
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  February 11, 2020 9:49am
  - alex Masterley
    
    Agreed. I was taken out in a king hit in 1979 at a band gig at the Corrie Hall, Maori Hill, Dunedin. Woke up in hospital. had no idea what had happened until my mates (who took me to hospital) told me. No major damage happily.
    
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    February 11, 2020 11:05am
    - Tall Man
      
      Well you “think” there’s no major damage 😉
      
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      February 11, 2020 11:44am
- G152
  
  And the fat Kraut is still here.
  Why is that ??????
  
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  February 11, 2020 10:11am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    He votes Labour.
    
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    February 11, 2020 10:24am
    - MCos
      
      I’d have thought if it’s Kim Dotcom he’d vote for his own party.
      
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      February 11, 2020 12:27pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Kim Dotcom may be a significant taxpayer. He is highly entrepreneurial.
    
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    February 11, 2020 10:25am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      His skills are highly sought after in the US
      
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      February 11, 2020 11:09am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      I wonder if he donates to NZ First?
      
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      February 11, 2020 9:25pm
- Tall Man
  
  “The fact the assault was fuelled by alcohol was no excuse, Judge Katherine McGinness said.”
  
  A certain labour connected judge here could learn a lot from Judge McGinness.
  
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  February 11, 2020 11:42am
- Michael NZ
  
  Nor mine.
  
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  February 11, 2020 2:12pm
- MickeyD
  
  Funny thing is I did not even have to open the stuff article to make a few deductions.
  
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  February 12, 2020 7:19am
Yvette

In 2008, Peters stood aside from his ministerial portfolios – perhaps jumping before he was pushed by Helen Clark – while the SFO carried out its investigations …
Of course, the circumstances are somewhat different: Peters was serving as a minister outside of Cabinet due to New Zealand First’s confidence and supply arrangement with Labour, while he is now far more intimately involved thanks to his party’s formal coalition deal and his role as Deputy Prime Minister. [1]

Also different this time is the context of the $3 billion “pork barrel” of the Provincial Fund and questions already raised in respect to that.

Controversial Cabinet Minister Shane Jones told a forestry awards ceremony they needed to vote for him or miss out on the billions he’s handing out for provincial growth, it has been alleged … “This is reciprocity. If you want it, back it. You can expect to hear me say that every week from now on. Does it violate constitutional principles? I don’t think so.” [2]

and that a NZ First-linked company applied for $15m govt loan raises further questions.

[1] https://www.newsroom.co.nz/@pro/2020/02/11/1028747/second-sfo-inquiry-into-donations-a-worry-for-nz-democracy
[2] https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12271534
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February 11, 2020 9:17am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Cindy won’t do a damn about this. What ya going to do? Vote her out? Fat chance. Mathew Hooten has spoken – Cindy will be returned to power. So get on with your life.
  
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  February 11, 2020 10:08am
  - RightFirstTime
    
    Mathew who?
    
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    February 11, 2020 5:52pm
  - double d
    
    Yet again you miss the mark SCS with your lame attempts at satire.
    C+ for effort
    E for achievement
    
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    February 11, 2020 7:18pm
  - MickeyD
    
    SCS, you remind me of CNN in 2016.
    
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    February 13, 2020 5:27pm
- Ruahine
  
  I am expecting an announcement soon that Winston Peters and NZ First are going lodge a complaint to the police against the Serious Fraud Office.
  
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  February 11, 2020 10:28am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Lawyers taking advantage of the boundaries. NZF are the most skilled party at looking after their own interests.
  
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  February 11, 2020 10:28am
lastmanstanding

Some random questions.

1. Will Labour offer tax cuts in the Budget to be implemented in April 2021 if it wins the election.

2. Will it introduce a new rate of 45% as in Oz on high incomes.

3. Will it index rates to inflation ( Nats policy)

4. Will the cuts be neutral to be offset by the extra tax on high incomes.

5. Will this take the wind out of the Nats sails.
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February 11, 2020 9:19am
- cmm
  
  6. Will it also say no deal with NZF?
  
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  February 11, 2020 9:26am
  - Stephieboy2
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Nope. Not if it is a close race as the latest newshub suggests it could be.
    
    NZF usually polls much better on election day.In that case the COL again with Simon left high and dry.
    
    [Deleted – mod]
    
    [Mod – why does almost every comment you make end with a generalised insult? Keep up the stream of invective, and Strike 7 (three month ban) is pretty much guaranteed]
    
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    February 11, 2020 9:51am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      ‘Rabid right’.
      Anyone to the right of commo Stephie.
      
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      February 11, 2020 10:11am
    - pentwig
      
      Hi Steffy
      Is that comment all your own work?
      
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      February 11, 2020 10:16am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      OMG mods. Every day you tell him to pull his head in and nothing ever changes rather than issue warning number #2421 on his chronic bitchy trolling and incessant sniping nastiness how about actually follow through. I mean have none of you ever had experience with children or pets? Empty threats achieve less than nothing – just highlights toothlessness. Hell he is such a blot on this blog that I am near abandoning it.
      
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      February 11, 2020 10:44am
      - lifesgood
        
        Do what I do…see his name, don’t read his rubbish, just downtick and move on. Way less stressful that way.
        
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        February 11, 2020 11:11am
      - tf78
        
        Stop taking the bait and just ignore him/her – easy.
        
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        February 11, 2020 11:45am
      - cmm
        
        “he is such a blot on this blog that I am near abandoning it”
        
        THat’s the whole point – pissing in the well.
        
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        February 11, 2020 12:08pm
      - curry4me
        
        Yeah, it’s way past time to get rid of the trolls. They add nothing to this site.
        
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        February 11, 2020 1:21pm
      - Michael NZ
        
        don’t comlain to Mods.
        It is DPF who is complicit.
        
        That’s why I spoke up about the stalking of Maggie.
        
        Just like what has happened in Manchester with the girls.
        steffie et al should not be here because of the stalking.
        but DPF allows him access to the environment as Kiwiblog is owned by DPF.
        
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        February 11, 2020 9:37pm
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Winston has just stated to Peter Williams that polls can be 1000% out. On current polling, this means the NZFraud pardy is at 36% support.
      
      I never fancied Jonnie Walker on my corn flakes but, it appears that it is a thing . . .
      
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      February 11, 2020 10:51am
      - Two fish and a scoop thanks Cindy
        
        Only if its blue label.
        
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        February 11, 2020 1:29pm
      - sooty
        
        Red or black?
        Diffiently not Blue!
        
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        February 11, 2020 2:36pm
      - arkhad
        
        “Out” could be up or down. Maybe .36% ?
        
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        February 11, 2020 3:47pm
    - rockape
      
      It doesnt Steffie thats a lie. NZ first lost votes last time between feb 2017 and election in September.
      Feb s 2 polls for NZ First they got8 and ,11% and got 7.2% at the election. Same for the greens feb they got 13 and 11% then 6.3 at election time. Your spreading false news and the proof is here;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2017_New_Zealand_general_election
      
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      February 11, 2020 10:56am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      A three month ban won’t make any difference. He’ll just come back tomorrow as Stephieboy3.
      
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      February 11, 2020 10:57am
      - Michael NZ
        
        yes sadly DPF and his mods have it arse about face.
        1x ban ok.
        you learn.
        2x ban
        don’T come back.
        
        molest, harrass, stalk anyone especially females, do not pass go, do not collect $200 and fck off.
        
        Kiwiblog is not the place for you.
        We value all people especially women and females.
        
        [Mod: current ban policies are under review by DPF. 10 suspensions for a total ban is quite a lot.]
        
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        February 11, 2020 2:18pm
    - John Warren
      
      When did Stephieboy acquire his 2, and how did it come about?
      
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      February 11, 2020 11:18am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        A year ago he made enquiries about the size and type of underwear I wear
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/02/general_debate_18_february_2019.html/comment-page-1#comment-2431639
        
        He was suspended for a time…and had to renew his pseudonym when he reappeared.
        
        You can find a list of his suspensions and warnings on Kiwiblog’s Comment Policy Page
        
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        February 11, 2020 11:27am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Actually if you check through that thread, you will see stephieboy had specifically asked nasska when he had last changed his underwear… previously he had asked me how I washed/cleaned my underwear.
        
        The reason I respond to stephieboy’s comments is that I try to halt him before he descends into filthier and creepier comments.
        
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        February 11, 2020 11:33am
      - Tall Man
        
        She was banned for so long she forgot her login 🙂
        
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        February 11, 2020 11:36am
      - Ian Boag
        
        @MW – out of curiosity I went back to that thread. There were a whole lot of pretty stupid one-liners in it. Stephieboy’s were pretty much par for the course on the day.
        
        “I’m coming back with as many identities as it takes” was an idea put up recently by whoever The King has become.
        
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        February 11, 2020 1:56pm
  - Ruahine
    
    A Headline you will never read in a New Zealand Newspaper.
    
    Prime Minister Ardern slammed for refusing to say whether she trusts the Deputy Prime Minister.
    
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    February 11, 2020 10:32am
    - hullkiwi
      
      It was noted on RNZ this morning that she said that it is more important than her being able to use “a particular word”.
      
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      February 11, 2020 11:03am
      - sooty
        
        I can suggest a few she might like!
        
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        February 11, 2020 2:33pm
- Local Miller
  
  Only #2, 45% rate for “high” earners, probably defined as $120,000, or maybe even less. With all the promises they are already making to spend our money, they have to claw it all back, plus pay interest on all the borrowing they did to fill the $11B hole Steven Joyce pointed out and everyone tried to cover up. That worked well, now they are falling into it, and so is the rest of NZ. The sooner we are shot (not a call to violence) of this lot, the better.
  
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  February 11, 2020 9:39am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    45%? If I was working my arse off to achieve $120 I’d simply think it was time to reduce my hours. Maybe to Taxinda’s number of work hours…
    
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    February 11, 2020 2:58pm
  - Michael NZ
    
    I remember DPF’s post on the 168,000 taxpayers who pay 90% of private tax allowing for WFF.
    
    Is it still the same, there was treasury xls I think?
    
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    February 11, 2020 9:40pm
- Sydney Alvarado
  
  What is a high income?
  
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  February 11, 2020 9:45am
  - Raphael
    
    anything more than a tuppence and a ha-penny
    
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    February 11, 2020 10:17am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Makes ‘penny for the guy’ at 40% of income, an expensive proposition . . .
      
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      February 11, 2020 10:53am
  - rangitoto
    
    Anyone with two or more cows and more than two ha of land.
    
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    February 11, 2020 10:24am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Anyone who does not vote layabout, sorry my bad, labour . . .
      
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      February 11, 2020 10:55am
  - rockape
    
    Seems its 66% of the top rate for nurses! $120K
    
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    February 11, 2020 2:18pm
- john1234
  
  Labour are already in over their head with spending, now that their CGT dream is up in smoke.
  
  So there’s not much hope for any tax cuts from Labour. Upping tax on high earners won’t make much – not enough tax payers there. They’d need to hit up middle NZ to get significant revenue.
  
  And that, will blow wind into National’s sails.
  
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  February 11, 2020 9:45am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    They will just let the hidden deficits continue.
    
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    February 11, 2020 10:31am
    - rouppe
      
      By the “hidden deficits” do you mean transferring debt from Crown books to CCO organisations and DHB’s so that it looks like government debt is less than it actually is?
      
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      February 11, 2020 12:16pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Yes. That’s my experience in Public Finance speaking.
        I sometimes call Robbo “Poohbah” after the Mikado character. Hopelessly out of depth but does it all.
        
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        February 11, 2020 12:37pm
- alloytoo
  
  1. No
  2. Yes
  3. No
  4. No, they’ve spent all the money.
  5. It will limited what the Nat’s can do because of 4.
  6. Not bloody likely.
  
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  February 11, 2020 9:47am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  1. Nope. It will make the first 10,000 tax free and to pay for it in the name of social justice, slap a 39% tax on people earning more than 100K. Since all the labour voters are under 100K salary, Sheeple will be very happy
  2. Yes it will
  3. No it won’t because Robo doesn’t know what inflation is
  4. See my answer 1 above
  5. There is no wind in Nats sails. All the wind is coming from their backside
  6. No, she won’t
  Move on and plan where your extra tax money is going to come from
  
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  February 11, 2020 10:11am
- tedbear
  
  Remember, Green Tax policy?
  Introduce a tax-free threshold at the bottom of the income tax scale first and then reduce and simplify rates in the middle bands of the tax scale.
  
  Flying pigs will see that happening.
  
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  February 11, 2020 1:04pm
Happychappy

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern frustrated by RNZ Concert proposal timing.
Can anyone tell me how the Prime Minister did not know about this especially as she is the Arts and Recreation Minister also, so to bend the truth to suit her narrative is a bit ripe when the main reason she has changed her mind is because of former colleagues including Helen Clark and Michael Cullen petition against it.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/409210/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-frustrated-by-rnz-concert-proposal-timing
If the truth is known Helen Clark has said to Jacinda jump with the PM’s reply being how high.
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February 11, 2020 9:26am
- Clyde
  
  I suspect RNZ didn’t tell too many people, let alone Government, about their plans. The reaction of Government is less important in the short term than the apparent total incompetence of RNZ management.
  
  Incompetence is not too strong a word in this instance. Just who in their right mind would think that NZ Yoof will suddenly drop their streaming music to listen to something that someone else will choose what to listen to is beyond me. Yoof listens to their choices.
  
  But maybe this is not really a surprise. I looked to see who is the Chair of RNZ and this is what pops up on their website. No wonder RNZ is heading the way they are:
  
  Chair of the Radio New Zealand Board of Governors
  
  Dr Jim Mather is of Ngāti Awa, Ngāi Tūhoe and English descent. He grew up in the communities of Te Teko, Ōtara and Māngere
  
  He was appointed Chair of the Radio New Zealand Board of Governors in May 2018.
  
  Previously Jim was the Chief Executive of Te Wānanga o Aotearoa for five years.This followed nine years as Chief Executive of Māori Television, and prior to that he was Chief Executive of the Pacific Business Trust for almost three years.
  
  He holds a Masters of Business Administration from the Henley Business School in England and a Bachelor of Business Studies, as well as diplomas in business and management. He also completed a PhD in Māori economic development through AUT University in 2014.
  
  With business management experience spanning 25 years, and a qualified accountant by profession, Jim has held a variety of private sector roles including General Manager of a marine engineering business and Financial Controller for a local subsidiary of a Swiss multinational.
  
  Aligned with his commercial background, Jim is also a former officer in the New Zealand Army, and was awarded the Sword of Honour in recognition of his distinguished achievements in Officer training.
  
  He currently holds governance roles with the following organisations:
  
  Director of Auckland Transport
  Director of Ngāti Awa Group Holdings Limited
  Member of the MBIE Risk and Audit Committee
  Managing Director of Mather Solutions Limited
  Jim is passionate about Māori development, the media sector and the importance of education.
  
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  February 11, 2020 10:15am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  You are assuming that the Minister of Culture and Heritage actually has the time to read any of the briefings she receives.
  
  RNZ would definitely have briefed – they have an explicit no surprises policy, as do all Crown Entities and businesses.
  
  I am sure she was terribly busy buying second hand clothes for her sprog, or prepping for her next Womans Day exclusive, must be about time to roll out the Wedding Planning ™ stories…
  
  Bwuhahaha
  
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  February 11, 2020 10:32am
  - tf78
    
    Jacinda being minister of culture is an oxymoron.
    
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    February 11, 2020 11:49am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      But she can sing the Internationale! Plenty of culture for the socialist state she wants us to live in.
      
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      February 11, 2020 3:05pm
  - DeepBlue
    
    Yesterday Jacinda said the government had asked for more time to develop a package but RNZ made the announcement anyway.
    
    I’m think that since the government have now said they will release a third fm channel the board of RNZ pulled a swifty bluff on the government and got what they wanted anyway:
    1. A third FM channel
    2. Strong public support for Concert from a range of society.
    
    If they were this smart, good on them…
    
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    February 11, 2020 4:22pm
JB.49

I am sure the BBC will put both sides of the argument – not!
https://climatechangedispatch.com/bbc-greta-tv-series/
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February 11, 2020 9:27am
artemisia

West Coast-Tasman MP Damien O’Connor says the “no new mines” policy for conservation land has been parked before the general election in September.

Minerals West Coast manager Patrick Phelps ….. “Whether common sense has prevailed, or simply coalition bungling, it’s hard to be sure….”

Nothing to do with votes, the West Coast looking down the barrel at falling tourist numbers or the great white hope of a Labour/Green government in September when it’s chocks away.

https://www.odt.co.nz/business/coalition-concedes-green-economy-relies-mining-resources
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February 11, 2020 9:30am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  West Coast deserves everything it gets for voting Labour and DO’Con.
  
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  February 11, 2020 10:12am
  - rockape
    
    The party vote was Nationals!
    
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    February 11, 2020 2:21pm
Komata

cmm

Thank you. With a surname like that, and the ‘apology’ letter, I wonder if the attacker is Tongan, or possibly Samoan.

Both groups have ‘form’ in such matters…
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February 11, 2020 9:33am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It is a common enough surname in Samoa.
  
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  February 11, 2020 10:53am
Ruahine

How embarrasing.
https://ysb.co.nz/more-lefty-gun-control/
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February 11, 2020 9:34am
alloytoo

So…..AT in their infinite competency have experienced disrupted train services for the past few days, causing many people to drive.

AT causing congestion in Auckland for 10 years.
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February 11, 2020 9:41am
MrTips

Stan Semenoff’s trucking company owes more than 500K in unpaid RUCs. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12307376

Certain Northlanders and buddies are not off to a good start this week!
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February 11, 2020 9:48am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  A small dip into Shane’s slush fund will fix that.
  
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  February 11, 2020 10:26am
- peterwn
  
  Seems Stan expected the wet bus ticket treatment.
  If he was allowed to get away with paying less than proper Road User Charges, that would be grossly unfair to all the truckies who abide by the law.
  
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  February 11, 2020 10:30am
  - sooty
    
    I am sure that with Carter Holt closing that there will be a few willing truckers!
    
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    February 11, 2020 12:01pm
- John Warren
  
  I’m a Northlander born and bred, and as far back as I can remember the name Semenoff has been synonymous with “dodgy”. This unfortunately detracts from the employment he has provided for so many Northlanders over so many years.
  
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  February 11, 2020 11:23am
Chuck Bird

The title explains what this is about. A very informed conservative.

HOW DARE YOU: 10 reasons not to believe climate change criers | Liz Wheeler LIVE at the Reagan Ranch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-qBOyrD0-0
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February 11, 2020 9:49am
- Wangas Feral
  
  You do realize that Greta is trademarking her face and catch phrases so that she gets a cut every time some says “How date you”. I mean apparently making an estimated $49million is not enough for her socialist parents.
  
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  February 11, 2020 9:51am
  - tf78
    
    I’m sure I said it many years before Greta – where does she stand on that.
    
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    February 11, 2020 11:51am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Look Out
  
  That paragon of independent journalism the BBC is to make a doco on GRETA!!!
  
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  February 11, 2020 9:53am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    With narration I expect by Sir David Attenborough.
    
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    February 11, 2020 10:35am
  - hullkiwi
    
    It’ll be a very short programme then?!
    
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    February 11, 2020 12:06pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I follow Liz Wheeler on FB. I also have her book ‘Tipping Point’
  Here is one blonde that is not dumb by any means
  
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  February 11, 2020 5:38pm
  - Stephieboy2
    
    She did one good deed and that was taking alt right leader Roy Spencer to task for his blatant racism!
    
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    February 11, 2020 6:12pm
Sacha

Help! Domestic Crisis Looming!
I have just opened my last reusable plastic grocery bag which is stuffed with other reusable bags . . . . .
Where can I buy suitable replacements for my rubbish bin?
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February 11, 2020 9:54am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Throw it on the street bro.
  
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  February 11, 2020 10:13am
  - rangitoto
    
    Preferably outside Cindy’s house.
    
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    February 11, 2020 10:26am
    - Tall Man
      
      That’s just bloody lazy … Throw it inside FFS 😉
      
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      February 11, 2020 11:29am
      - sooty
        
        Take a few to the supermarket with you when you go to!
        
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        February 11, 2020 2:29pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Bin liners can be purchased at any supermarket. How did you not know that?
  
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  February 11, 2020 10:16am
- Sideoiler
  
  …..Where can I buy suitable replacements for my rubbish bin?
  
  I have used this site before, I might get the next thousand printed.
  https://www.made-in-china.com/manufacturers/plastic-bag.html
  
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  February 11, 2020 10:34am
  - david
    
    Might even come with coronavirus as a complimentary extra.
    
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    February 11, 2020 10:49am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Any beach in the country.
  
  Wade into the water to find it is full of turtles and dolphins covered in plastic bags who will be pleased to give one to you.
  
  Greta told me this is true and I believe her . . .
  
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  February 11, 2020 11:06am
- lifesgood
  
  Mitre 10. They sell rolls of them. They are pretty cheap too but do the job.
  
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  February 11, 2020 11:13am
  - alwyn
    
    We got about 10 years worth at the Warehouse just before the ban came into effect. They cost about 2 cents each. That’s about the only thing I have ever bought there.
    
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    February 11, 2020 12:12pm
Stephieboy2

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
The Trump re-election campaign , “ censorship through noise “ and Truth turned on its head

“The Billion-Dollar Disinformation Campaign to Reelect the President. ”

How new technologies and techniques pioneered by dictators will shape America’s 2020 election.”

The president’s reelection campaign was then in the midst of a multimillion-dollar ad blitz aimed at shaping Americans’ understanding of the recently launched impeachment proceedings. Thousands of micro-targeted ads had flooded the internet, portraying Trump as a heroic reformer cracking down on foreign corruption while Democrats plotted a coup. That this narrative bore little resemblance to reality seemed only to accelerate its spread. Right-wing websites amplified every claim. Pro-Trump forums teemed with conspiracy theories. An alternate information ecosystem was taking shape around the biggest news story in the country, and I wanted to see it from the inside.

The story that unfurled in my Facebook feed over the next several weeks was, at times, disorienting. There were days when I would watch, live on TV, an impeachment hearing filled with damning testimony about the president’s conduct, only to look at my phone later and find a slickly edited video—served up by the Trump campaign—that used out-of-context clips to recast the same testimony as an exoneration. Wait, I caught myself wondering more than once, is that what happened today?

As I swiped at my phone, a stream of pro-Trump propaganda filled the screen: “That’s right, the whistleblower’s own lawyer said, ‘The coup has started …’ ” Swipe. “Democrats are doing Putin’s bidding …” Swipe. “The only message these radical socialists and extremists will understand is a crushing …” Swipe. “Only one man can stop this chaos …” Swipe, swipe, swipe.,,”

https://www.defenseone.com/politics/2020/02/billion-dollar-d isinformation-campaign-reelect-president/162935/?oref=Defens
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February 11, 2020 9:54am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Their doing very well in re-shaping the Dems primaries. Now who’s counting Bernies votes?
  
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  February 11, 2020 10:37am
cmm

What is wrong with parents?

How the hell can you let your 17 yo daughter run around with some scribble-faced gang member?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12307515
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February 11, 2020 10:09am
- Tall Man
  
  How do you stop them.
  
  If she wants to do it then the battle is already lost.
  
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  February 11, 2020 11:27am
  - cmm
    
    Social workers, psychiatrists, priests,…
    
    This shit will go on as long as these gang-type scum are considered acceptable people.
    
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    February 11, 2020 12:11pm
    - Tall Man
      
      I admire your sentiments but I can assure you the task is not what you seem to think it is.
      
      By the time a parent finds out that their kid is attracted to the gang lifestyle, it is normally too late and the damage has been done.
      
      If you incorrectly “anticipate” that your child may be so inclined, efforts to prevent may actually drive them away from safety.
      
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      February 11, 2020 12:20pm
      - sooty
        
        Spring steel chasity belt and the best padlock you can buy!
        
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        February 11, 2020 2:27pm
edenman

Tall Man & others commenting on Sunday about sardines. I have recently made a bulk purchase of these critters from the Grabone site. 36 cans for $99
delivered to your door. I am delighted with this purchase.
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February 11, 2020 10:12am
- Tall Man
  
  I had a look and even though I do like them the expiry date is August and I’m not sure I could commit to eating 6 cans a month 🙂
  
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  February 11, 2020 12:21pm
  - curry4me
    
    Do you have a cat? Or a neighbour with one?Problem solved.
    
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    February 11, 2020 1:31pm
    - sooty
      
      Put them in the foodbank bin.
      
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      February 11, 2020 5:21pm
  - toby1845
    
    Do you know of any left-leaning café owners or bookshop owners? Leave a sardine or two on their premises when you leave. They would add to the ambience when shoved into the upholstery of chairs or wedged behind the Womens Weeklys and Womens Days.
    
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    February 11, 2020 5:10pm
    - Tall Man
      
      “Turn ardern” with attitude 😉
      
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      February 11, 2020 6:46pm
    - Michael NZ
      
      Toby1845
      attacking someones business like that is the same as a physical assault to my mind.
      Shame on you!
      
      Where are you mods?
      
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      February 12, 2020 7:43am
mikenmildagain

Wishing you all a wonderful International Day of Women and Girls in Science.
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February 11, 2020 10:17am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Have a read how the Skeptical Science crew managed to scupper the University career of Professor Judith Curry
  
  https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/02/09/the-skeptical-science-kidz-go-a-bridge-too-far-with-blacklisting/
  
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  February 11, 2020 11:38am
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    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    You mean she left academia after being repeatedly shown up for repeating shoddy denialist talknig points?
    
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    February 11, 2020 11:53am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Defaming your betters is displaying your own ignorance.
      
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      February 11, 2020 12:40pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        She is a crank. But what crank would acknowledge their own crankery rather than nurse a grudge against their former peers?
        
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        February 11, 2020 2:53pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Ffs
        Curry is not a crank
        She’s highly qualified and has produced hundreds of Papers.
        You’re just showing yourself to be an ignorant liar.
        Just like any other day!
        Lol
        
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        February 12, 2020 8:17am
  - Michael NZ
    
    yep Maggy
    I’ve been following that process for a while.
    They all turned on her savagely, which she wrote about.
    We need the Judith Curry’s in this world, not her detractors.
    
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    February 11, 2020 2:23pm
Happychappy

Simon Bridges says he feels vindicated by his decision to rule out working with Winston Peters following the NZ First leaders attitude towards him when they crossed paths at Waitangi.
“There was no small talk at all” Bridges toldMagic Talk on Monday “I suppose that’s the way it goes I think the reality is it told me I made the right call”.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/02/simon-bridges-on-why-he-has-no-regrets-ruling-out-winston-peters.html
Simon seems to be gaining a lot of Confidence out Winston Peters arrogance and ignorance.
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February 11, 2020 11:32am
- curry4me
  
  In light of the SFO situation, it’s pure genius.
  
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  February 11, 2020 1:36pm
Batman

Don’t worry everyone, Corona Virus will disappear come April when the heat comes in

Trump on coronavirus: “A lot of people think that goes away in April with the heat. As the heat comes in. Typically that will go away in April. We’re in great shape, though. https://t.co/p4qEGUWB49

Great timing given his budget request cuts disease prevention funding.

Everything is fine!
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February 11, 2020 12:30pm
- Jules99
  
  30 deg C is all it takes to kill viruses. Perhaps we should all pray for global warming.
  
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  February 11, 2020 12:54pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Well, if that came from the Very Stable Genius, it must be true.
  
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  February 11, 2020 2:51pm
Happychappy

Did Winston Peters have words with the Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern after the Press Conference yesterday as people don’t usually change there mind over night when asked if you trust him or don’t. So then the next morning you wholeheartedly Express your trust in him or has Winston got some alleged dirty washing on our our Prime Minister for every one to know.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=12307585
Before you ask why I Question this Winston has no screwball at releasing Information on others under Parliamentry Privilege including private health problems on the ex President of NZ First who resigned over donations that he wouldn’t sign off on.
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February 11, 2020 12:38pm
- Paulus
  
  Winston could release the Coalition talks agreement.
  That will shut her up !
  
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  February 11, 2020 1:01pm
wreck1080

Should be the council facing criminal charges, not the poor bastard who suffered 5 years of noisy and obnoxious neighbours. We ourselves suffered a few months with some neighbours who partied extremely hard — and council were negligent for not upholding the law. I even investigated suing the council — but you can’t (or it is very difficult) to sue a council for not enforcing the noise control law.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12307579

A Kāpiti pharmacist who doused his neighbour in petrol and threatened to burn down his house because he was partying too loudly has been hauled before a disciplinary tribunal.
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February 11, 2020 12:46pm
Fletch

More evidence that NZ is doing f-all to screen passengers coming in to the country.

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/coronavirus-kiwi-passenger-gobsmacked-over-lack-of-checks-entering-nz/

I heard on NewsTalkZb this morning on the news that authorities are asking Kiwis to “self-isolate” for up to two weeks at home if they suspect they have anything and to use their vacation days if their work won’t give them any time off. Really? ?
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February 11, 2020 12:57pm
- Aunty
  
  Does anybody really believe that we don’t have or have had at least one case of 2019-nCoV in this country, because frankly, I don’t. Not given the numbers of travelers we have had from China over the last 6 weeks.
  
  I had Kiwi friends who returned from China on 15 January, (after 5 weeks there) and the wife had the ‘flu’! Many of her symptoms were consistent with this virus. She went to the doctor when she got home, he diagnosed her with the flu, and that was that. No test, no follow up, no isolation. Now, she probably did just have the flu, but who knows?
  
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  February 11, 2020 1:51pm
hmmm82

If we ever get a govt that has NZ First as its mantra, the Waikato (Tara. to S. Auck) and Southland has enough coal to power NZ for the next 100 – 500 years. https://www.mbie.govt.nz/building-and-energy/energy-and-natural-resources/energy-statistics-and-modelling/energy-statistics/coal-statistics/
The West Coast coal and all of our potential O&G would be available to export. We could be an energy exporter, be richer than the USA, Saudi, or Norway*, if we had the political desire to do so. But we stick our heads in the sand and pretend if the rest of the world was as virtuous as us, all will be wonderful; aren’t we nice.

https://utopiayouarestandinginit.files.wordpress.com/2020/02/wp-15806290059111371465310924249997.jpg?w=535

* I would have added Venezuela but they have had just 20 years of full-on Socialism, and now look at them. Even the KSA or Norwegian part-time socialism hasn’t ruined them yet. It takes a long time to go through someone elses money when you start with a shed-full. It’s has taken over 100 years for NZ socialism-lite to move from very rich (GDP PC) to twice as poor in relation to other western democratic nations.
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February 11, 2020 1:13pm
curry4me

I hope this is the first of several trade deals.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/02/08/britain-japan-negotiating-ambitious-high-standard-brexit-trade-deal/
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February 11, 2020 1:16pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lS6NTesUNB4
Meanwhile, in Rire, Sinn Fein might have a sniff at power. Teacher’s Pet expects the UK to obey Fourth Reich laws. He risks BoJo saying No Deal. Lucia Puttrich from Merkel’s party saying Brexit will be a success.
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February 11, 2020 1:17pm
Prince

I find this decision from the Advertising Standards Authority bizaare.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/119414501/national-lose-appeal-over-facebook-ad-ruled-misleading
There seems to be no doubt the emissions tax will add cost to importers, and the amount is not disputed.
But the claim by National that importers will pass this new cost on to customers is disputed by the ASA.
Who do they think will wear the costs ? The importers ? Only in a socialists’ wet dream.
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February 11, 2020 1:44pm
- Tall Man
  
  Seriously, what do you expect.
  
  They are as dumb as dog dirt and have no real concept of marketing anything except lies and funny head positions.
  
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  February 11, 2020 6:18pm
igm

Why are still paying over the top at petrol stations?
Didn’t the useless unelected PTPM tell us that it would be under control months ago. Seems worse than ever because crude is under $50 a barrel and we are still well over the top of $2.10 per litre for 91, and 95 and 98 are still well above 13 cents and 30 per litre respectively.
Maybe it has something to do with extra GST for fairy face to squander on Ardern’s leeches.
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February 11, 2020 2:33pm
- Stephieboy2
  
  igm , a solution is at hand. Invest in one of these hybrids or EVs and get rid of your antiquated petrol car,
  
  https://www.consumer.org.nz/topics/electric-vehicles
  
  and,
  
  https://buyersguide.ecotricity.nz/?utm_term=best hybrid cars&utm_source=adwords&utm_campaign=EV Buyer’s Guide&utm_medium=ppc&hsa_acc=6514260900&hsa_cam=1407968394&hsa_ver=3&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_ad=328458619581&hsa_grp=71568429008&hsa_kw=best hybrid cars&hsa_tgt=kwd-1363647824&hsa_mt=p&hsa_src=g&gclid=Cj0KCQiAm4TyBRDgARIsAOU75spusElfWrJOdJ9-H9FCWUq811MOzT_ICaxT36ZAbJzd1SiW8_fucqgaAgA-EALw_wcB
  
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  February 11, 2020 6:18pm
  - igm
    
    EVs are for f/wits, greenies, and losers. I would sooner walk than own one of the poofy things.
    
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    February 12, 2020 12:20pm
MCos

While looking at Spiked article referred to by David Farrar I chanced upon this piece about the Irish general election.
It seems the left wing Sinn Fein unexpectedly led the three main parties due to support from from younger voters in the face of high house prices etc. and a rejection of establishment complacency.
I wonder if there’s any pointers towards how things might transpire in this country?
https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/02/10/a-vote-for-change-in-ireland/
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February 11, 2020 2:34pm
- hmmm82
  
  We, unfortunately along with every other adult in the West, have failed to teach our children that the reason stuff is free, is because their parents want them to have it, and have earned it.
  Our kids (yes, deliberate, no smarter than childish goats) believe if they don’t see where it comes from, it has no cost. Shame on us.
  
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  February 11, 2020 5:36pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Another daily high in Coronavirus deaths
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3049931/coronavirus-hubei-province-reports-2097-new-cases-and-103-new
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February 11, 2020 3:22pm
- hmmm82
  
  Every day is going to bring a new high.
  For perspective, google “usa influenza deaths 2019” Last year 88,000 people died of ‘flu’ in the USA. I don’t think 800 so far this year in China is going to break any records, except for CCP deception.
  
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  February 11, 2020 5:51pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    No, its only when there is in an exponential phase of infection/ viral spread.
    
    At some point the infection rate and death rate will peak and then numbers should begin to fall.
    
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    February 11, 2020 7:17pm
PaulP

Just when he was looking strong why then backtrack, even if a little bit.

Politics is about strong clear messages. This is just plain dumb!

“Bridges said that he would not rule out working with NZ First under any Government that he led, opening the door for Peters and his party to join future Bridges-led Governments.

“No, I don’t think that’s my right or privilege if you like, but I’ve made clear that is the case for this election – we’re ruling them out,” he said.

Pressed on the question, Bridges would only commit to ruling NZ First out of any talks after the 2020 election, “no ifs, no buts”. ”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/119418119/nz-first-saga-simon-bridges-leaves-door-open-for-future-cooperation-with-winston-peters
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February 11, 2020 4:12pm
- Tall Man
  
  I don’t see it as an issue as I very much doubt “what’s in it for wynston” will actually be around after 2020.
  
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  February 11, 2020 4:26pm
  - PaulP
    
    Agreed, so why wouldn’t you say something along the lines of “I have said that I can’t work with him as I can’t trust him, so while Winston is leader, a National party I lead would not enter into a coalition with NZ First.”
    
    Don’t be whishy washy about it!
    
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    February 11, 2020 4:45pm
    - greybeard
      
      “so while Winston is leader, and Shane Jones is still in the party, a National party I lead would not enter into a coalition with NZ First.”
      
      THAT is what should be said.
      
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      February 11, 2020 5:24pm
      - Tall Man
        
        I don’t disagree with you both but that is just too big a statement.
        
        It is a simple and quick statement for the voters and doesn’t indicate prevarication.
        
        I think everyone knows that should “what’s in it for wynston” ‘s actually exist post 2020 and “what’s in it for wynston” has departed they would be considered as a coalition partner.
        
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        February 11, 2020 6:07pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        National would have no difficulty dealing with a Shane Jones-led party. They’ve done deals with him before.
        How about a scenario where a majority of NZ First MPs want to do a deal with National, and ditch Peters to do so?
        
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        February 11, 2020 7:13pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/119434593/minister-pledges-support-to-droughtstricken-northland-farmers
Fair enough, but there should be a requirement to build dams and provide other water storage during the wet months to help them get through these droughts, if they haven’t already.
Northland is not dry all year round, neither are Auckland and the Waikato.
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February 11, 2020 5:30pm
Fletch

More woke messing around with food. The entire Fresh ‘n Fruity yogurt line seems to be “now with 40% less sugar”. Our family thinks it’s pretty inedible now. Awful. I suppose it makes those in charge feel righteous. Won’t do much for their sales.
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February 11, 2020 6:42pm
- sooty
  
  Get woke, go broke!
  
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  February 11, 2020 7:53pm
Hugh Pavletich

WHAT IS THE MORTALITY RATE OF CARONAVIRUS OUTSIDE HUBEI ? …

Coronavirus mortality rate outside Hubei about 0.2% (close to influenza) – Singapore Prime Minister Lee Hseing Loong … VIDEO 1.30 minutes from start …

PM Lee Hsien Loong on the 2019-nCoV situation in Singapore on 8 February 2020

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNw1pyksKHo

Some experts see coronavirus outbreak as a wake-up call … VIDEO… CNA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpQthH6N5SA

China hid the severity of its coronavirus outbreak and muzzled whistleblowers — because it can … Julia Belluz … Vox

https://www.vox.com/2020/2/10/21124881/coronavirus-outbreak-china-li-wenliang-world-health-organization
watch?v=oNw1pyksKHo
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February 11, 2020 8:35pm
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Coronavirus Updates: Virus Is Said to Spread Through Apartment Building’s Pipes (behind paywall)
  The New York Times
  
  No wonder the Chinese prefer to stay out in the rural areas in the meantime … and the likes of Foxcom only have about 10% turning up in their factories.
  
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  February 11, 2020 9:28pm
John Warren

Really Tamati? For fuck’s sake.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/02/labour-mp-t-mati-coffey-hits-out-at-nz-media-for-calling-taika-waititi-a-kiwi-filmmaker.html
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