General Debate 7 January 2020

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Maggie Pie

Just a heads up that Countdown have HOT X BUNS available from today!
Voted #1 (by me) last year, get some while you can.
[ I’ll be away for a few days from tomorrow at Gary and Jillian’s timeshare so will report further on thease on my return.]
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January 7, 2020 8:00am
- sooty
  
  You little name dropper!
  
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  January 7, 2020 9:01am
- chaos
  
  We’ve got a bakery that has award winning hot cross buns. They said it is strange that people complain they are on sale at supermarkets yearly, that they sell them all year just put the cross on the at Easter
  
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  January 7, 2020 9:10am
  - GinandTee
    
    Pleased to hear it! I have no objection to selling the buns so early – just don’t call them a Hot Cross Bun – they are a NOT Cross Bun!!
    
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    January 7, 2020 6:46pm
- Biscuit
  
  Hush, Maggy, you’ll get retailers thinking ‘Isn’t it time we put some Christmas 2020 stuff out on the shelves?’
  
  I shall, however, go invest on a few packs of those buns – and freeze most of them. A great midwinter treat is to haul some out, microwave ’em into defrostedness and then quickly oven bake ’em.
  
  Served, natch, with shaven icy-cold butter.
  
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  January 7, 2020 9:38am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I love a bit of Hot Cross Bun with my butter…
    
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    January 7, 2020 10:04am
- cmm
  
  “Voted #1 (by me) last year,”
  
  Can’t argue with consensus.
  
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  January 7, 2020 9:42am
- Fletch
  
  It only remains to be asked whether Krispy Kreme will do a hot-cross donut ?
  
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  January 7, 2020 10:32am
  - Colville
    
    It would be tricky to ice a cross on the hole…..?
    
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    January 7, 2020 11:30am
- Bung Fizzer
  
  Just a heads up, Countdown and “HOT X BUNS” aren’t new.
  
  What’s the bet (Countdown) that you’ll mention your “partner” again and again and again.
  
  Just a heads up, do you actually think for yourself or do you rely on your “partner” to say so??
  
  Think for yourself and if you can’t then stop pretending to.
  
  ACT for a vote but you’re just insufferable. Jokes are Jokes but your jokes aren’t intelligent……if you don’t believe me then ask your partner.
  
  Do you actually have an opinion?
  
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  January 7, 2020 9:24pm
- Bung Fizzer
  
  No offense but you should probably stop referring to what your “partner”.
  
  Either you have an opinion or not. Don’t get me wrong, I’m centre right but listening to wannabees like you isn’t helping…..to be honest, it’s annoying
  
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  January 7, 2020 9:38pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    My partner reckons it sounds like what YOU need is a larger BUTT PLUG.
    
    [and TBH, i’m of the same opinion ….. AAA-HOLE 😀 ]
    
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    January 7, 2020 11:41pm
- Bung Fizzer
  
  Hey Maggie Pie (Not Maggy)
  Since your friends are from Remmers, what on earth do you know? Are you saying that South Islanders should pay for your privileged life style? (White accomplishments/black privileged)
  
  Seriously, stop saying your partner…….it’s boring and either or, or neither in your case…….
  
  Think for yourself or does your mama think for you?
  
  ps….even us South Landers know. If you don’t believe me then ask your “partner” princess
  
  Absolutely PATHETIC
  
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  January 7, 2020 9:54pm
- Bung Fizzer
  
  Don’t get me wrong…..I’m just asking for your opinion with out your “partners” approval.
  
  Just saying
  
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  January 7, 2020 10:04pm
- Bung Fizzer
  
  Just a “heads up” LOL
  
  As someone from Westland……what exactly are you saying M’s Pie?
  
  Are you saying we shouldn’t have guns or centre fire bolts? It get’s worse that that Mam……we shouldn’t eat rainbow trout or red deer
  
  Give us a break………fire break
  
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  January 7, 2020 10:13pm
Than

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Trumpistas after Orange Donny suddenly pulled US forces out of Northern Syria, throwing their Kurdish allies under a bus;

“Yay, what a brilliant move. Why should the US stay bogged down in never-ending Middle-East conflicts.”

Trumpistas after Donny assassinates an Iranian general and gets the US deeper into a ME conflict;

“Yay, what a brilliant move. The US needs to stay involved in the Middle-East to defend ourselves against potential threats.”

Far from making Americans safer, killing General Soleimani has endangered American lives. Anybody who doubts this should ask themselves this simple question – do you think there will be more or less Iranians (and Muslims globally) chanting “death to America” (and really meaning it) after this strike?

Trump has created a martyr and given the Iranian people a very valid reason to hate the USA. He has increased the risk to US service-members in the region. He has increased the risk of a terror-attack on US soil. And for extra-credit negative consequences, he has pushed Iran back into full-scale uranium enrichment. It was an utterly stupid, reckless decision made with no thought about the consequences (except perhaps the consequence of pushing impeachment down a headline or two). Typical Orange Donny foreign-policy.
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January 7, 2020 8:03am
- JibberJabber
  
  Obama dropped over 26,171 bombs on 7 different countries during 2016 & the left didn’t bat an eye.
  
  But Trump drops 1 airstrike on the world’s most savage terrorist & they lose their minds.
  
  Get it together, fools.
  
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  January 7, 2020 9:11am
  - Batman
    
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    How many top tier officials of a sovereign state did Obama conduct airstrikes against?
    
    Yes he was a terrorist but it’s a very grey area when it’s the second in command of a whole country and not just a terror group.
    
    It’s not black and white like some might prefer.
    
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    January 7, 2020 9:14am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Susan Rice admitted they tried to get him years but couldn’t.
      Go and do some work
      You’re embarrassing yourself
      
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      January 7, 2020 9:23am
    - rouppe
      
      Obama expanded the drone warfare programme, hitting targets in Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan.
      
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      January 7, 2020 10:07am
      - Batman
        
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        As I’ve said elsewhere, hitting terror groups is different from hitting the second in command of Iran, a sovereign nation.
        
        No doubt that the guy deserved it but the rest of the world is now dealing with the ramifications of Trump’s impulsive response being actioned thanks to a lack of a proper national security process under the current bunch of incompetents.
        
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        January 7, 2020 10:11am
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        Lack of proper national security process? You’ve made that up Batman.
        
        And on one hand, you say Soleimani deserved it, and on the other it was no good because there are ramifications. Of course there are ramifications Batman, every decision that every person makes everywhere has ramifications of one form or another.
        How many people should Soleimani have been allowed to be involved in killing before you would say the number was too high? Trump has made that decision for America. And taken action. The other laughable thing is the number of people that are whining about instability and ramifications. The ramifications and instability are ENTIRELY caused by Iran. Not by America. Iran could stop funding terrorist groups around the world. That would be a start.
        
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        January 7, 2020 10:46am
      - Batman
        
        Apologies for the repost from last night but here you go, pasted below. But first I’ll cover your other points.
        
        The main thing is that NO planning was done to deal with the inevitable fallout. It would appear that large parts of the government that should be made aware, weren’t.
        
        Your quibbling over body count to risk ratios is a moot point when the political side is run by morons who didn’t think to or want to think about what the next steps should be, or what Iran may do in response.
        
        REPOST:
        Have a read of this lot… Is it really so good to clear out people who know what they’re doing? (And I don’t mean Winston because obviously he’s a dick).
        
        https://twitter.com/rezamarashi/status/1214031169173348352?s=19
        
        From US govt officials:
        
        “We’re still trying to dig out from underneath the last war of choice, and now they’re trying to start a new one. I finally cracked open the bottle of scotch you gave me that I’ve been keeping stashed away in my desk drawer.”
        
        “When did most of us find out about killing Soleimani? After it already happened. Since then, we’ve been trying to cobble together contingency planning on the fly, but these charlatans ignore most of it, and then Trump does more stupid shit that puts us back at square one.”
        
        “The scariest part is that they’re just making shit up to justify their preferred course of action. When we point out inaccuracies or question logic, we’re at best yelled at or at worst cut out of the process. Most of the political appointees are paranoid, unqualified, or both.”
        
        “One of Trump’s top Iran advisors got suckered into a honey trap, had their laptop/iPhone stolen and hacked before they woke up, and the White House refused to take precautionary measures regarding their security clearance. Ladies and gents, I give you the Trump administration.”
        
        “They know the Iraqis are gonna kick them out now, so they’re gonna try to kill as many as possible on their way out. Iranians, Iraqis, whoever. Some of them are advising Trump to tell the Iraqi government to fuck off and dare them to make us leave. I shit you not. Insanity.”
        
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        January 7, 2020 10:53am
      - Drone
        
        #In Vino Veritas the issue is as much the fact that this is an asymmetric conflict, if Iran or any of the suffering Middle Eastern Countries had the armament and money that America has and could thus wage an equal war they would I’m sure feel obligated to strike at American politicians as America feels it’s OK to strike at them. America has once again sunk to the level of the playground bully much to the shame of the free world.
        
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        January 7, 2020 2:56pm
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        Batman, no planning? According to who? And there are “large parts” of the government that should be made aware? For instance who? Democrats on the Intelligence Committee (Schiff)? Speaker Pelosi? With Schiff you may as well put a full page ad in the WaPo and NYT that the raid is coming.
        Trump had ample authority to eliminate a military target, terrorist or not, without further Congressional authorisation. Even ex Obama Secretary of Homeland Security, Jeh Johnson, has said as much.
        
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        January 7, 2020 3:13pm
      - Batman
        
        You don’t pay enough attention vino.
        
        There have been hundreds of unfilled positions, pretty much all department heads are acting, hundreds of resignations.
        
        Trump abhors professionalism and process, and this is what you get as a result. Chaos.
        
        Spare me your talking points about Schiff. The gang of eight not being notified is simply a symptom of the WH believing they have unitary executive power.
        
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        January 7, 2020 3:16pm
    - Fletch
      
      You mean like when Obama started a war, attacking Libya without consent of congress and deposed Gaddafi? When Hillary Clinton joked about his killing?
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtH7iv4ip1U
      
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      January 7, 2020 10:35am
      - Batman
        
        You mean when the AUMF was still in effect?
        
        Whereas it is not now.
        
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        January 7, 2020 10:43am
      - Than
        
        Your memory is a little off – it was the British and French who started the war to depose Gaddafi. The US only joined in after the shooting had started.
        
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        January 7, 2020 10:52am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    Why do you need to raise what Obama did? It isn’t a competition to see who is the worst or the best. Look at the current situation on its merits or lack of merit.
    
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    January 7, 2020 9:39am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Whataboutism is the best defence.
      
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      January 7, 2020 9:44am
      - JibberJabber
        
        LooL, you don`t like it when you get a taste of your own medicine?
        
        Whataboutery is the snivelling Lefts go to on every issue known to politics.
        So I`ll ask you again , why do you not blink an eye when a democrat President drops thousands of tons of bombs, but cry a Tsunami of tears when your pet terrorist gets taken out in a surgical strike?
        As an aside, last year Soleimanis` Revolutionary Guards killed 1500 protesters alone, not to mention the Homosexuals that were publicly executed and women imprisoned and raped for simply taking off the symbol of their oppression.
        Maybe get your priorities in order before you sook about some dead terrorist?
        
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        January 7, 2020 10:10am
      - Batman
        
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        If you are so black and white about it then why would anyone bother attempting to answer? You clearly don’t want a factual answer, just what confirms your opinions.
        
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        January 7, 2020 10:31am
    - Wangas Feral
      
      He is highlighting the hypocrisy of those who are criticizing Trump, not comparing what two different presidents did.
      
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      January 7, 2020 9:50am
      - Batman
        
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        He’s attempting to do the first thing by doing the second thing. Got it.
        
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        January 7, 2020 9:56am
      - Gravelroad
        
        It’s like the people who feel the need to name-call Trump as “orange Donny”.
        Bet they didn’t disparage Obama by calling him coffee Barry- cause that would be racist, eh.
        
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        January 7, 2020 10:33am
      - Batman
        
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        Uhhhhh, natural skin tone versus bronzer applied willingly…
        
        Unless you can prove that Trump was born with a rare condition or has Oompa Loompa heritage!
        
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        January 7, 2020 10:35am
      - Fletch
        
        Orange is the new black….
        
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        January 7, 2020 10:38am
    - Brian McDonald
      
      Soleimani pushed the limits. I think Trump, however, by threatening to destroy the cultural icons of Iran has made a bad error.
      
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      January 7, 2020 9:51am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Depends on what is meant by “cultural icons”. It is possible that he is hinting that “cultural” includes the Iranian nuclear reprocessing site; and also referencing that although striking at such structures can be a warcrime, any protections are removed if the cultural site is being used to store munitions (for example) or to conduct military operations from.
        
        I don’t think that Trump is suggesting that the US would bomb Persepolis for example, or a series of mosques.
        
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        January 7, 2020 10:58am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Who the fuck knows what Trump was suggesting be destroyed in Iran? I doubt he could find Iran on a map, let alone a site of cultural heritage, about which he knows nothing and cares less.
        
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        January 7, 2020 11:52am
- rockape
  
  I dont personally care if Iran hates me. Back in the 60s i was spat on by Arabs in their country. So they have never liked us. I do care however that they stop attacking us and hugging isnt going to fix that. maybe terminating their leadership will!
  
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  January 7, 2020 9:41am
  - coolas
    
    S0. I was cursed and spat on by Chinese in Hong Kong in 1983 after Maggie Thatcher had failed to re-negotiate the 99 lease, and the stock market crashed.
    
    I didn’t take the abuse personally recognising it wasn’t me they hated but who I represented.
    
    Same with Iran and Iraq whose attitude toward Westerners is understandable given the interference in their countries by the US, GB, and some European countries.
    
    They supported the 1953 coup in Iran that overthrew the democratically elected government to seise oil fields which had been nationalised two years earlier. The US puppet Shah Pahlavi was a monarchist dictator whose rule ended in the revolution passing power to the Mullahs.
    
    Today we are witnessing the consequences of Western interference in Iran.
    
    The US invasion of Iraq was based on a lie – weapons of mass-destruction – and destroyed the best developed ME country – infrastructure, education, health service – and gave rise to ISIS.
    
    So, it’s not surprising many in Iran and Iraq hate what the West has done to their countries.
    
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    January 7, 2020 11:09am
    - Inandout
      
      coolas, Saddam was known for his extreme cruelty, only surpassed by one of his sons who would shoot and kill any guests he didn’t like. We just cannot fathom what it is like to be living under those absolute dictatorships. Iran before the religious nuts took control was a relatively free and prosperous nation.
      
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      January 7, 2020 12:29pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Iran under the Shah’s dictatorship was in many ways less ‘free’ that Iran is now. Pahlavi got good press in the west as a ‘reformer’ and US ally, but was no good guy.
        
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        January 7, 2020 1:39pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Where’s your citation for that mikey?
        
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        January 7, 2020 2:22pm
      - The King
        
        Because teaching children anal sex in our schools makes us more “Morally superior” than those backwards dictatorships amirite?
        
        How many more Chinese get a free pass for molesting children in our country because of “cultural mistakes”?
        
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        January 7, 2020 3:37pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Tell us more about your anal sex classes, The King.
        
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        January 7, 2020 4:03pm
- Simon
  
  “Trumpistas after Orange Donny suddenly pulled US forces out of Northern Syria, throwing their Kurdish allies under a bus;”
  
  You Russian truthers make me laugh.
  
  After the US troops left there was an agreement that formalized Syrian Kurds autonomy with Syrian soldiers guarding the border with Turkey.
  
  Stunning achievement by Trump and GCC. The planned withdrawal of US troops part of deal.
  
  No more war, no more refugees and no more suffering. – Sad for Russian truthers.
  
  The rest of your blah blah is just your projection of your feelings. Your feelings are hurt because Orange Man bad.
  
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  January 7, 2020 9:47am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    So there was no fighting between Turkish and Kurdish forces?
    
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    January 7, 2020 9:53am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Some sort of deal between the various groupings in north-east Syria and the surrounding areas is needed, and maintaining US troops in the area in an attempt to force such an agreement was not working.
      
      It does appear that an accommodation of sorts has been reached between the various parties that appears reasonably equitable and stable – albeit over a relatively short period. And you should recall that according to the various “Mainstream News Media” reporters, the Kurds have been betrayed by every POTUS since Bush 41; they’re still there.
      
      But since it was the Trump administration that took this path you must of course find it to be stupid, counter-productive, and foolish; regardless of the outcome. Because “orange donnie” is soooo stupid you know, couldn’t come up with innovative and workable solutions because orange man bad.
      
      Getting the US out of its ground forces engagement in the ME is almost certainly something to be desired. I’m prepared to see how Trump’s policy works out in practice before deciding on whether it is good or bad. Though compared to Obama’s multiple clusterfuck it would have to be terrible to be worse.
      
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      January 7, 2020 11:07am
Yvette

This may have been better under the previous post: “Don’t let the nasties win says Quin”, but it perhaps also raises issues suiting General Debate?

Just a small consideration of “March 15” in terms of Ardern’s image, in Election year and the view that, for example, she may have so utterly failed in terms of raising children up out of poverty, that the image that adorns an Australian silo in Brunswick in Melbourne, does more for her. Certainly it does world-wide, some suggest, which also reflects back in New Zealand unless you analyse exactly what she has achieved.

Will there be tightened security around “March 15”?
Will fully armed police be evident for some period of time, and consequently, will Ardern require more security? Will there be commemorative occasions or restrictions?

If knowing just the name of Grace Millane’s killer could prejudice any court appearances and jurors, what of mass condemnations of the alleged Mosques terrorist, who is yet to stand trial?

(And charged with 51 murders, 40 attempted murders, and engaging in a terrorist act, how many of those acts need he be convicted of to be permanently imprisoned. Does each death need be proven – or justice be done and dignity accorded each victim – so determining how long such a sensitive or perturbing court case need last, or will the man’s own purported evidence – the video he himself arranged of his actions – with police evidence and coroner’s correlations will serve to convict him of sufficient killings as the video apparently shows, and his manifesto, will serve as fully voluntary evidence of at least two years preparations and the premeditation to qualify all the killings and attempted killings as murder and attempted murder?)

In Election year and with other developing world circumstances, how should possible commemorations, or a court case, even its duration, be handled and who, without any conflict of interests, should make any decisions in connection with this matter.

Just wondering.
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January 7, 2020 8:14am
- Yadayada
  
  Great post, Yvette
  
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  January 7, 2020 9:15am
- Stephieboy2
  
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  Keep up the idle musings and ramblings!
  
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  January 7, 2020 9:25am
- Brian McDonald
  
  No each charge does not need to be proven. We don’t need a show trial. He should be convicted and deported when practical.
  
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  January 7, 2020 9:42am
  - Sideoiler
    
    No each charge does not need to be proven………
    
    I think you’ll find it does, its kind of the point of having a trial.
    
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    January 7, 2020 9:51am
    - Brian McDonald
      
      Not right actually. You will recall many trials where a few charges have been representative of others. I don’t think the maximum sentence is not altered in this case. On the other hand, perhaps any such decisions should have input from the families.
      
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      January 7, 2020 4:22pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    The burden of proof is on the Crown to prove every aspect of every charge beyond a reasonable doubt Brian. That’s fundamental to our justice system.
    
    Tarrant may be an utter scumbag, but we are a civilised society, and even scumbags have a right to a fair trial.
    
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    January 7, 2020 10:07am
    - NK
      
      Why didn’t we give Soleimani those same rights?
      
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      January 7, 2020 12:21pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Someone caught in the act of murder should be able to be stopped by whatever means available.
        
        This guy may not have pulled the trigger very often but every day he enables, motivated and supplied them. That’s worth a rocket in my mind.
        
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        January 7, 2020 2:17pm
      - calendar girl
        
        “We” (New Zealand) weren’t involved, were we?
        
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        January 7, 2020 4:19pm
- Rocky Jnr
  
  “If knowing just the name of Grace Millane’s killer could prejudice any court appearances and jurors, what of mass condemnations of the alleged Mosques terrorist, who is yet to stand trial?”
  
  There will be a number of good reasons. Most likely he is facing other serious charges, and in these situations name suppression is proper and normal.
  
  Have some faith in the system and stop moaning about it!
  
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  January 7, 2020 9:51am
  - Sacha
    
    @ Rocky Jnr: ‘Faith’ has to be earned. For some people the interpretation and administration of our legal system leaves a lot to be desired.
    Tony Stuart is right, but there are a fair number of NZers who feel that a summary execution would be justified, and who would feel no compunction whatsoever.
    What you may see as ‘moaning’ others may see as points for reasoned discussion –
    
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    January 7, 2020 10:39am
    - Rocky Jnr
      
      “Summary execution would be justified” This is New Zealand, not bloody Iran.
      
      And moaning about name suppression is just that. Read my comments as to why.
      
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      January 7, 2020 11:36am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Issues I have all addressed. They should have simply sectioned Tarrant and removed him under the mental health law. He would never see the world again. Now we are to have a show trial where each charge has to be proved unless Tarrant agrees and pleads guilty. If the prosecutors otherwise withdraw them they will be blasted as not Muslim friendly.
  
  There will be immense disturbance re-visited on the whole of NZ by this avoidable trial.
  
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  January 7, 2020 10:16am
  - Batman
    
    No thanks, I would much rather have a trial and transparent Justice for his murders, even if it means a few charges don’t get through and end up as manslaughter or GBH.
    
    We shouldn’t take the cowards option, that’s what people like him want.
    
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    January 7, 2020 10:30am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Life permanently in an asylum? Lake Alice was closed down as it was regarded as too hellish.
      
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      January 7, 2020 12:51pm
      - cha
        
        Regional forensic mental health units do exist.
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        January 7, 2020 1:53pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    He was of sound, but incredibly misanthropic. Mental health issues should be a very high bar to excuse prosecution.
    
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    January 7, 2020 10:44am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Read his writings. Sorry, they’ve been suppressed in NZ.
      
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      January 7, 2020 12:52pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Did (out of NZ). Not insane, just fucking strange – rationalizing his desire to pointlessly murder people.
        
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        January 7, 2020 3:30pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    PTPM wants lots more mileage out of him – that is why he is still here, and the delays.
    In behind is the PM selector who is calculating the mileage
    
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    January 7, 2020 4:50pm
- rouppe
  
  A commemoration will be an opportunity for the victims families to make noise about not receiving (enough) compensation.
  
  It will be an opportunity for additional family members who came here on visitor visas without travel insurance and are now running up significant “unexpected” health costs of their own to claim asylum/residency and access even more costs.
  
  Adern of course would put on her tilty head concerney face, nod and fall over backwards to be inclusive and diverse. Whether that’s overall a good or bad strategy we’ll find out in November.
  
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  January 7, 2020 10:22am
  - Sideoiler
    
    ….. Adern of course would put on her tilty head concerney faceput do rag on head, nod and fall over backwards to be inclusive and diverse.
    FIFY.
    
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    January 7, 2020 2:34pm
artemisia

What exactly is a political ecologist academic and why should we take notice of anodyne statements like this from Trisia Farrelly.

“Something that’s reusable, repurposed and recyclable sits much higher up the waste hierarchy than something that has a single use and can’t be recycled,” the Massey University environmental anthropologist and political ecologist said.”

Meanwhile –

Bin liner sales rise as shoppers run out of free shopping bags

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/118607191/countdown-selling-shopping-baskets-after-plastic-bag-ban-makes-them-hot-property

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/food-wine/food-news/109952987/bin-liner-sales-boom-at-supermarkets-as-shoppers-run-out-of-free-shopping-bags?rm=a
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January 7, 2020 8:20am
- RalphT
  
  I might have wanted to pay attention to her if you hadn’t used the word Massey…
  
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  January 7, 2020 8:57am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Quite so. Opinions of Massey University academics should be taken with lashing of salt.
    
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    January 7, 2020 11:09am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Political ecologists are interested in the ways in which natural resources are interpreted, represented, valued, governed and accessed..
  http://perc.ac.nz/wordpress/
  
  In other words: modern-day rag & bone-men
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gGM-2t8UCE
  
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  January 7, 2020 9:11am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Academics of that ilk belong with Oscar in Sesame Street.
  
  Changing bags makes money for marketeers.
  
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  January 7, 2020 10:23am
- Albert_Ross
  
  I hope this is an oversimplification of what she actually said, which would not be at all surprising given the lamentable state of science reporting here and pretty much everywhere else.
  If she’s done any study of the subject then she will know that being” reusable, repurposed and recyclable” does not in itself make a thing better for the environment than a single-use item. It’s better for the environment only if it actually is reused, repurposed and recycled, and even then it depends on the manner of reuse, repurposing and recycling. For example, you’d have to re-use a cotton shopping bag several hundred times to have less environmental impact than using plastic bags the same number of times, and that multiplies if you wash the cotton bag or if you re-use the plastic bag. If the plastic bag is then disposed of properly then the environmental impact of its manufacture, transport, use and eventual disposal is minimal.
  
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  January 7, 2020 11:02am
Chuck Bird

Most impressed with Bradford who is from the left.

Political Roundup: Evaluating NZ’s politicians

“TVNZ’s Katie Bradford puts Bridges’ performance on a similar level to the PM”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=12298365
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January 7, 2020 8:24am
- Steve Todd
  
  It’s pay-walled, Chuck.
  
  Can you give us a brief extract/summary?
  
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  January 7, 2020 8:44am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Most people were impressed with Bridges including Bradford while from the left was fair minded enough to rate him highly.
    
    The following extract should give you an idea why.
    
    “Herald political editor Audrey Young says Bridges is her runner-up for the top politician of the year, saying “Bridges has had an excellent year. At a time when his MPs could have been getting bitter about being in opposition, he has held them together, got policy under development under way, maintained high support for his party, kept Judith Collins at bay and improved his own communications skills”
    
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    January 7, 2020 9:04am
    - Steve Todd
      
      Thanks, Chuck. Much appreciated.
      
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      January 7, 2020 9:16am
    - curry4me
      
      I’m beginning to warm to Simon Bridges. I’d like to see Crusher as his deputy though.
      
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      January 7, 2020 9:32am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        His present Deputy is no light weight–she has had Ardern almost in tears in the House. Paula Bennett is under rated. She has a very sharp mind and it’s a pleasure to watch her dissecting a PTPM at QT.
        
        I’m not putting Judith Collins down. National has a large team of capable people. Us fireside watchers need to respect the Caucus choice of leaders.
        ☑️☑️Rout2020☑️☑️
        
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        January 7, 2020 10:27am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        One ‘hit’ person is being left out here. Melissa Lee is a fighter
        
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        January 7, 2020 5:00pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Wait, Kiwibloggers recommending *three* strong, capable women as deputy? Maori chap as PM?
        
        But, but, we’re all a bunch of misogynist/racist/anti-gay blablabla…
        
        Leftards are losing the argument when we promote capable people on *merit*, whatever their ‘race’ or gender.
        
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        January 7, 2020 5:52pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    I suspect that many of the left (rightly or wrongly) see Bridges as dead-weight like Little was. Reducing Nationals electoral chances, and so are eager to boost his profile and ensure he holds on to leadership to assist their team.
    
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    January 7, 2020 9:29am
    - Than
      
      If so I think they’ve made a significant mis-judgement.
      
      Simon Bridges may not have John Key or Jacinda Ardern’s level of personal charm, but on the other hand he doesn’t actively put voters off the way Andrew Little did. The polls back this up – National has held roughly steady under Bridges’ leadership, while Labour went backwards under Little.
      
      Myself I’d rate having Bridges as leader is neutral to National’s chances of being elected. He’s not a particular electoral asset, but not a hindrance either.
      
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      January 7, 2020 10:02am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        I’d agree with that. I don’t think National has anyone who is better at the moment – other contenders carry their own negatives. But a more likable leader that could do well on radio would pull in a few more percent.
        
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        January 7, 2020 10:49am
      - Paulus
        
        It is the Party which I vote for, not a showpony.
        
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        January 7, 2020 11:12am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Your safe right wing vote is irrelevant to the winning elections. It’s pandering to the low-information center swing voter that determines the outcomes. While I personally like Simon (I’m particularly relieved that he uses the word ‘fuck’ in private conversation) he is not necessarily the best guy for that.
        
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        January 7, 2020 4:37pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        I don’t get why people see him as not likeable. He comes across as a decent, common-sense bloke who knows his stuff.
        
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        January 7, 2020 5:56pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Listen to Simon speak. He can comfortably command a room and answer off the cuff.
        
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        January 7, 2020 8:03pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Of course, that’s the reason for the sustained attacks on him eh?
      
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      January 7, 2020 10:04am
  - Raphael
    
    ….there is a Firefox plugin that helps with that….works on Mobile as well….
    
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    January 7, 2020 10:46am
Simon

The left were so gleeful that the US embassy Baghdad was being attacked – wishing it was sacked. Trump competently dealt with that.

Then Trump killed the terrorist responsible for the arranging the attacks on embassy. The left, MSM & Dems crack open. Its glorious.
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- mikenmildagain
  
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  The left were so gleeful
  
  Citation required.
  
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  January 7, 2020 9:11am
  - double d
    
    Required?
    Blog monitor MM?
    
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    January 7, 2020 9:29am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Self-appointed…
      
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      January 7, 2020 11:10am
    - Tall Man
      
      Just a twat with a high opinion of his own wit. He’s more akin to kelvin davis than he realises.
      
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      January 7, 2020 2:08pm
  - The King
    
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    Its a boomer cope saying. “if you don’t agree with me you’re the left!”
    
    “you don’t like endless wars and bombing brown people ..you’re the left!”
    
    “ill have you know i met this one chinese guy in 1970 you don’t believe in mass immigration …you’re the left!”
    
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    January 7, 2020 9:42am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Quite incorrect King. Boomers don’t deal in identity politics. Your statement about bombing brown people is drivel.
      Most boomers are not as rabid as you with regard to politics. Politics has always been civil until this age of unreason, an unreason which is largely promulgated by the likes of you.
      
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      January 7, 2020 11:09am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        When were politics civil?
        
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        January 7, 2020 11:58am
      - sam green
        
        Actually right wing boomers deal in identity politics all the time.
        
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        January 7, 2020 12:20pm
      - The King
        
        Yes we’ve established you have no identity, a rootless cosmopolitan,who has no ability to recognize the difference between belief and demonstrable reality.
        
        A people who are not convinced of their uniqueness and value will perish.
        
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        January 7, 2020 3:51pm
      - Batman
        
        Just go and establish your ethnostate already and let us know how it goes.
        
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        January 7, 2020 4:42pm
  - skyblue
    
    Why is a citation needed? This is not a peer reviewed paper.
    
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    January 7, 2020 10:14am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      It’s the latest tactic being employed by our trolls MMA and stephieboy.
      It’s designed to cast doubt on your comments (and on you);
      it’s a tactic to make you waste time doing hoots of research (which probably they can’t do themselves).
      
      How to handle this matter:
      1. ignore them or
      
      2. Provide the references and see them disappear from the debate for the rest of the day
      
      or 3. (in a few cases I’ve noted) Watch them regurgitate your references some days later as they endeavour to show they are on top of the subject.
      
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      January 7, 2020 11:05am
      - Stephieboy2
        
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        1. ignore them Probably the best advice
        
        2. Provide the references and see them disappear from the debate for the rest of the day
        
        Highly debatable
        
        or 3. (in a few cases I’ve noted) Watch them regurgitate …
        
        ????
        
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        January 7, 2020 11:52am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        You are a skilled researcher, Maggy. Perhaps you could find the references that show the ‘left were so gleeful that the US embassy Baghdad was being attacked – wishing it was sacked’.
        But maybe only a troll would ask for evidence of such an obvious fact.
        
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        January 7, 2020 12:01pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @mikenmildagain
        
        Perhaps you could find the references that show the ‘left were so gleeful that the US embassy Baghdad was being attacked –
        
        Why try and involve me in a topic I’ve never commented on KB about or showed any interest in?
        
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        January 7, 2020 5:00pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Ha ha. Now who’s trolling?
        
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        January 7, 2020 5:32pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        is that trolling, MMA?
        
        Good of you to clarify… it’s not a habit of mine.
        
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        January 7, 2020 5:56pm
  - Fletch
    
    Like the Veteran’s Group tweet (since deleted, but screen captured) hoping for another Benghazi because the optics look bad for Trump.
    
    https://twitter.com/TheNumba1Guy/status/1212090973750222852/photo/1
    
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    January 7, 2020 10:48am
    - Batman
      
      If you want to play the ‘one idiot on Twitter’ game, we could be here until the end of time mate
      
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      January 7, 2020 11:07am
- curry4me
  
  Harveywood, and the Iranian parliament are holding overlapping Death to
  America rallys aren’t they. Trust the ever lovin, ever lying left to instinctively give aid and comfort to the enemy.
  
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  January 7, 2020 9:34am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I stand corrected. I had not counted the Iranian parliament as part of ‘the left’. What a genius you are.
    
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    January 7, 2020 10:30am
KevO'Brien

A historical review of heat in Aus and other places. Warning: lengthy and contains error bars–
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/01/05/bush-bull/

No bull, from an English mathematician and comic writer.
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January 7, 2020 8:31am
- Doc Holliday
  
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  Monckton?
  
  You are a gullible fool.
  
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  January 7, 2020 8:55am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Read him for yourself. He’s a qualified mathematician well capable of analysing data.
    
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    January 7, 2020 10:38am
- Stephieboy2
  
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  KevO’Brien,
  
  Anthony Watts ? Snooze button alert territory!
  
  Meanwhile back in Sept 2019
  
  “Bushfires are predicted to be worse than normal across much of Australia this summer but research shows many people, especially those in high-risk areas, remain unprepared….
  
  The ingredients for a bad fire season
  
  Above-normal bushfire potential refers to the ability of a large fire to take hold. It takes into account recent and predicted weather for a particular area, the dryness of the land and forests, and recent fire history.
  
  The year to date has been unusually warm and dry for large parts of Australia. In fact it has been the fifth-driest start to the year on record, and the driest since 1970. Some areas, such as New South Wales into southeastern Queensland, are into their third year of dry conditions.
  
  The warming trend means that above average temperatures now tend to occur in most years, and 2019 has followed this pattern. These high temperatures further dry the landscape and vegetation…’
  
  https://www.bnhcrc.com.au/news/blogpost/richard-thornton/2019/grim-fire-season-looms-many-australians-remain-unprepared
  
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  January 7, 2020 9:30am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    If you put away your bias you would find serious information to consider on WUWT.
    Burying the head in the sand misses the opportunity to see and avoid the approaching firestorm.
    Only repeating group think reduces humans to pre-robot fodder. Government that way is a folly. I prefer the light and variety of applied wisdom.
    
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    January 7, 2020 10:43am
Paulus

I am still not going to either pay money for the Herald nor subscribe to read their rubbish !
Have a great day.
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January 7, 2020 8:31am
- sooty
  
  Chucky does!
  
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  January 7, 2020 9:05am
- GJM
  
  Use the pocket adding for firefox and you can read it for frr, but no pics. “Save to pocket”, then open and read.
  
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  January 7, 2020 10:09am
  - alloytoo
    
    That sounds like altogether too much effort for the Herald.
    
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    January 7, 2020 12:41pm
- Earl Dumarest
  
  If you subscribe to the NZ Herald you have to have handy your blue suit with the stylised chest “S” plus its red-cape and a handbag full of kryptonite antidote
  
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  January 7, 2020 10:38am
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  I stopped reading the Herald the day they started charging. Not just because they started charging but because it had turned into a tabloid magazine in my opinion.
  
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  January 7, 2020 7:42pm
JibberJabber

Over 280 now cautioned/charged with bushfire-related offences:

NSW – 183
QLD – 98 (as of 17 days ago)
Others in: ACT, SA, Vic and Tasmania

It’s time for the Deniers to stop denying.

https://twitter.com/ToomeyWright/status/1214045042710462464
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January 7, 2020 8:32am
- Stephieboy2
  
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  According to this report only 24 have been chaarged ,
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/118623458/australian-bushfires-cops-and-arson-unit-round-up-24-alleged-firestarters-in-nsw
  
  Their efforts compounded by the unusally dry and higher than average temperatures.!
  
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  January 7, 2020 9:37am
  - skyblue
    
    Nothing to do with not clearing the fuel, ah fool. 3 requirements for fire from College Science:
    1. O2 – 20% of the atmosphere.
    2. Ignition Source – Bic Lighter
    3. Fuel – the more the bigger the fire.
    Stuff – not a great source for unbiased information on this subject.
    
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    January 7, 2020 10:41am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    What are you trying to promote?
    
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    January 7, 2020 10:44am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    A few days back you were mocking anyone who mentioned arsonists.
    
    You do realise how long it takes to collect evidence when a National Disaster has been declared, don’t you?
    
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    January 7, 2020 11:07am
    - Stephieboy2
      
      “A few days back you were mocking anyone who mentioned arsonists.”
      ???
      Always qualified by the factor of the unusally dry conditions and the highest average national temperatures!
      
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      January 7, 2020 11:55am
      - krazykiwi
        
        It was hotter and dryer in the late 1800s. That’s why the BOM only quotes from 1910 onward. Liars
        
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        January 7, 2020 1:40pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Here’s the evidence.
        
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        January 7, 2020 2:20pm
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    I would have thought one was to many.
    Who deliberately lights a fire in the middle of summer or defends their actions.
    Who allows forest litter to reach a dangerous level.
    Both are criminal, only one seems to be investigated.
    Both are serious crimes.
    Had a mate say to me, “if you border a national park, you have a 100% rolled guarantee of being burnt out, just a matter of time and accumulation.”
    Never a truer word said.
    
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    January 7, 2020 11:49am
    - Stephieboy2
      
      Australian Bush fires often attract the abhorent and patholgical even in the driest and hottests of seasons as we witness now!
      
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      January 7, 2020 11:58am
Steve Todd

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Is it pretty much all over for the Republican Party and its loony, evangelical base? According to this article, 2020 could be its last-hurrah.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/daylightatheism/2020/01/gop-albatross/
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January 7, 2020 8:40am
Sacha

Damn. The click bait got me –
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January 7, 2020 8:41am
Monique Watson

I’m over the State line filling up with gas on the Nevada side of Tahoe. Gas is $0.98c per liter converted from $3.74c per gallon.
How much is it in NZ? Call me interested. How’s that fuel tax working out to build better infrastructure?
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January 7, 2020 8:50am
- sooty
  
  The fuel tax is been wasted by that Twit Twyford and the mad American girl friend.
  
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  January 7, 2020 9:10am
- JibberJabber
  
  West Auckland @ 9am, between $2.35 per litre and $2.17 per litre.
  
  $9.40 per Gal- $8.68
  
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  January 7, 2020 9:18am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Wellington central $2.38.9
    Petone $2.12.9, just 15 minutes up the road.
    Been like this for at least 3 weeks.
    Why the difference, somebody having too big a margin?
    
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    January 7, 2020 9:54am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      New competitor in Petone, I think.
      
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      January 7, 2020 9:57am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Bullshit, Gull’s not open yet.
        
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        January 7, 2020 10:16am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Allied is. Don’t know (don’t really care) if that’s made any difference.
        
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        January 7, 2020 12:09pm
    - Colville
      
      Rent on the realestate would play a large part in the cost difference.
      
      Here (Hawkes Bay) there is a 10 or so cent differential between say Waitomo and BP.
      
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      January 7, 2020 10:02am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Sometimes the headline difference is reduced because there’s a near automatic minimum $0.06 per litre discount at BP. And about 3 x per week it is $0.10 a litre.
        
        On a recent trip to Auckland and back I was pleased to be able to refuel at Tirau, drive to Auckland, potter around for several days and then get back to Tirau on a tank thus avoid the Auckland add on tax. Of course using 98 Octane puts the price up somewhat…
        
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        January 7, 2020 11:15am
    - rouppe
      
      The price in Central Wellington is crazy considering you have the Waitomo in Thorndon and the self serve Caltex further north where it’s less than $2.10.
      
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      January 7, 2020 10:32am
  - Paulus
    
    My Tauranga 98 = $2.49.9 and that is the cheapest.
    
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    January 7, 2020 11:15am
- Rich Prick
  
  Gas station? I thought there were only casinos and brothels on that side of Stateline Ave.
  
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  January 7, 2020 9:24am
  - Biscuit
    
    True story, Rich Prick:
    
    Many, many years ago my folks and I were in (amongst other places) Las Vegas.
    
    Both of the the olds fancied them some gambling.
    
    So I, under age by US Gambling regulations, was shunted off to do non-gamblong things – trailbike riding (though, technically, I was too young to drive in the US too!), a descent from the Granad Canyon rim to the distant river, a two-day raft down the Colorado, a tour of the Hoover Dam, mucho swimming etc etc.
    
    And, at night time, an occasional stroll up and down the strip…
    
    My Mum met up with me during one break friom her slot-machining and asked how I was getting on.
    
    ‘Sweet, Mum. The folk here are so FRIENDLY. And, look, quite a few cute young ladies hvae given me their picture cards for me to call anytime. Oh, any chance of a top-up on my allowance?’
    
    Mum was NOT impressed!
    
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    January 7, 2020 9:53am
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  So why is it that the price of petrol isn’t much lower in Whangarei near the refinery? $215.9 per litre. It’s seen lower price further South.
  
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  January 7, 2020 11:44am
  - Tall Man
    
    Went through Levin a couple of days ago, $2.11.9 to $2.21.9
    
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    January 7, 2020 1:53pm
Engelbert Humperdink

“To tick or not to tick, that is the question. Whether ’tis nobler to abstain, disdain, or entertain; to buffer the whinges and narrow-mindedness of outrageous posters, or to bash keys against a sea of tribbles and by opposing, send them ever more BSC. ”

“To log off—to sleep, no more; and by sleep to say we end oversight of somebody being wrong on the internet!!! The belly-laughs and the thousand natural snorts that steffy is heir to: ’tis a consummation devoutly to be wish’d.”
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January 7, 2020 8:50am
- mikenmildagain
  
  For in that dross of blogs what dreams may come
  When we have switched off this mortal screen
  Must give us pause.
  
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  January 7, 2020 9:16am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    Fair comment mikey!
    
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    January 7, 2020 9:48am
- Biscuit
  
  If you’re gonna do Billy Shakes, lemme run past you this ‘much more credible’ revision of the balcony scene from R&J that my (shocked) English teacher decided NOT to run with when we were rehearsing it:
  
  Juliet:
  Romeo, Romeo, wherefore art thou, Romeo?
  
  Romeo:
  Down here in the bushes, Jools, waiting for that beej you promised me…
  
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  January 7, 2020 9:58am
Batman

“former White House officials and people close to Mr. Bolton have indicated that his testimony would likely be damning to Mr. Trump and put additional pressure on moderate Republicans to consider convicting him.”

Bolton Is Willing to Testify in Trump’s Impeachment Trial https://nyti.ms/37EjBwN
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January 7, 2020 8:51am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  Sour grapes gotta sour grape.
  
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  January 7, 2020 8:54am
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    Sour grapes? So what? He was the National Security Advisor so his testimony on the matter seems fairly important.
    
    I’m sure if he lies on the stand he will be easily found out by the brilliant Trump Administration and their policy of not withholding relevant information ?
    
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    January 7, 2020 9:02am
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      If you don’t stand up and / or resign when the stuff you now say is bad was actually happening, but only slither out into the public eye after you have to leave… then your credibility is lower than snakesh*t. Bonus under-reptile-feces points if you have “struck a deal to write a book for Simon & Schuster; the book will come out sometime in 2020 before the presidential election.”
      
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      January 7, 2020 9:14am
      - Batman
        
        Well then, I expect the entire Trump Administration to resign post haste!
        
        And then all Republicans who claimed the deficit was all-important and have spent the last few years gleefully piling onto it.
        
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        January 7, 2020 9:33am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Could be a ‘perjury trap’…
      
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      January 7, 2020 9:18am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Some witnesses gotta testify.
    
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    January 7, 2020 9:17am
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      Epstain (not a typo) didn’t kill himself.
      
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      January 7, 2020 9:43am
      - cmm
        
        Well he kinda did kill himself. Getting tangled up with the Clintons is suicide.
        
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        January 7, 2020 10:38am
      - Stephieboy2
        
        Engelbert Humperdink, He did according to the Chief New York Medical examiner who actually conducted the autopsy!
        
        Not off the cuff second-hand media-based autopsies!
        
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        January 7, 2020 10:42am
      - sooty
        
        How come Monica, is still walking?
        
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        January 7, 2020 11:12am
      - JibberJabber
        
        I`d suggest Monica is still walking cos` she owned her own behaviour and Billy had left a smoking gun on the evidence, if it`d happened in this hashtag era and decided to play victim, it might have been a different story tho`.
        
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        January 7, 2020 12:23pm
- Batman
  
  And oooh, a handy little stat
  
  Polling since impeachment:
  
  71% say Trump should allow witnesses in trial (WP/ABC)
  
  57% say Trump committed impeachable offense (Ipsos)
  
  52-43% approve of impeachment (POLITICO)
  
  https://t.co/kayvx6v3aF
  
  64% of Republican voters think witnesses should be allowed….
  
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  January 7, 2020 10:12am
  - Than
    
    The polling around impeachment is a mixed bag for Trump and Republicans.
    
    On the one hand there isn’t the sort of overwhelming landslide in favor of impeachment that would force removal from office. And in particular Republican opposition to impeachment and/or removal has remained rock-solid, so its highly unlikely Republic senators will break with Trump and vote to remove.
    
    But on the glass half-empty side, the polls also show around half of Americans support impeachment or agree that Trump committed an impeachable offense. Non-partisans aren’t buying the Republican claims this a politically-motivated witch-hunt over nothing. That’s very different from the Bill Clinton situation, and puts us in uncharted waters over how the impeachment trial might affect the election.
    
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    January 7, 2020 10:43am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Some law is expected to be applied re Trump. So far the Dems have broken every jurisprudential rule in the book. The Senate could even refuse to accept the impeachment as not being lawfully obtained. Secrecy can nullify proceedings. A Chief Justice presiding would quickly bring them to order.
      
      Has Pelosi adopted the Saudi trial model–select then execute.
      
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      January 7, 2020 10:53am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Funny though how the Democrats don’t want to accept the same rules that were used for the Clinton trial. They (and it’s many of exactly the same people) argued vociferously for those rules back in 1998.
      
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      January 7, 2020 11:22am
- Earl Dumarest
  
  Trump has been a bit too cavalier in firing his trusted people – eventually they become time-bombs – Bolton just had a long fuse
  
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  January 7, 2020 10:51am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Batman, the Dems have done there bit and it’s now up to the Senate. And they will review the impeachment articles and try the case as it\they stand. If they use the same framework as for Clinton, there may not be any further witnesses. And of course, the Democrats were entirely fine with the Clinton framework.
  
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  January 7, 2020 11:15am
  - Batman
    
    Well apparently they’re wanting to move for dismissal, so that’s not the Clinton framework is it?
    
    All tidied neatly under Mitch’s rug (sorry for the mental image).
    
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    January 7, 2020 11:24am
- Ed Snack
  
  Other reports say that his testimony is most likely to be supportive of Trump.
  
  Would have been easy to subpoena him to testify in Congress, using the constitutionally approved way of having the courts rule on the claims of executive privilege (you know, like one W J Clinton did).
  
  Wonder when we’ll get to see the testimony from Adam Schiff and Eric Ciamarella on how they conspired to produce the fake “whistleblower” report.
  
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  January 7, 2020 11:20am
  - Batman
    
    Care to link to those reports? I provided a link to the source of my quote.
    
    He refused to testify initially, as directed by the White House. A subpoena would have merely meant a dragged out court battle, like the others.
    
    Fake report? Cool story bro.
    
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    January 7, 2020 11:23am
    - Tall Man
      
      Bro?
      
      Oh dear.
      
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      January 7, 2020 1:45pm
- Nermal
  
  He said he heard somebody else had heard somebody might have said something that would guarantee Trump’s impeachment
  
  That’s the best they’ve got
  
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  January 7, 2020 2:32pm
Monique Watson

Enjoyed a long weekend skiing. I totally get how a hijab can be sexy after wearing a ski balaclava all weekend. Speaking of sexy, my youngest son said at dinner last night:
“Coke gets you laid”.
“Pepsi gives you diabetes”.
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January 7, 2020 8:54am
All_on_Red

‘former White House officials and people close to’
‘would likely be’
Ahahahaha aha
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January 7, 2020 9:04am
- Stephieboy2
  
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  All on Red, the new year already getting to you?
  
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  January 7, 2020 9:39am
MCos

Who know’s how the locals are reacting to America in Iraq and Iran right now?
Here is a tweet by Secret Pompeo from a few days ago purporting to show Iraqis dancing in the street after the assassination of Soleimani.
https://twitter.com/secpompeo/status/1212955403077767168?s=21
In the meantime the government is kicking the foreign military out of the country.
Next door in Iran Soleimani has had a huge funeral.
President Trump pounds out belligerent tweets.
He’s done that before, of course, with North Korea, Venezuela . . . .
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January 7, 2020 9:07am
- All_on_Red
  
  ‘kicking the foreign military out of the country.’
  No it’s not.
  It’s a Temporary Government and as such has no power to pass Laws.
  
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  January 7, 2020 9:11am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Sure. And the coalition hasn’t had to suspend operations either.
    Bring NZ soldiers home.
    
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    January 7, 2020 9:20am
    - MCos
      
      I’m unsure why our people are still there, anyway.
      I’m rather cynical about why we went in the first place, but I do remember PM Key getting worked up about the whole business in parliament.
      Or was that Afghanistan?
      
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      January 7, 2020 10:02am
      - Batman
        
        Because ISIS were and are the absolute worst of the worst.
        
        Throwing people off buildings and drowning others in cages on video.
        
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        January 7, 2020 10:06am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        You’re being prejudiced. They were just following their culture and religion, and we should respect that!
        
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        January 7, 2020 6:29pm
    - Kevin Herlihy
      
      Yes I agree, bring NZ soldiers home. Judging by the size of the crowd at Soleimani’s funeral the place looks set to explode.
      
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      January 7, 2020 11:18am
      - kevn
        
        @KevH… Always interesting that there are never any women at these gatherings.
        Funny breed of cattle to be sure.
        
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        January 7, 2020 12:13pm
      - Inandout
        
        Kevin, those ‘spontaneous’ rallies are as common as hot dinners over there. They even try it in Muslim parts of London, like ‘death to the UK/Infidels/Gays’ being such banners.
        
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        January 7, 2020 1:20pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    And to add. The Kurdish and Sunni members boycotted the vote.
    Only Shia voted- go figure.
    
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    January 7, 2020 9:25am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Only a matter of time before the full Iraqi parliament votes to expel all Iranian forces, congratulate Turkey for attacking the Kurds, and convert to christianity?
      
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      January 7, 2020 9:36am
  - fernglas
    
    So are the Americans intending to stay regardless of whether they are asked to leave? Isn’t this the same temporary government that invited them in in the first place? If so, they can hardly argue that they can’t rescind the invite.
    
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    January 7, 2020 9:27am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      It’s all so fucked up that only the Trumpistas think it makes any kind of sense. Now we just need the Saudis to attack Qatar while building a Trump Tower in Riyadh and increasing their funding of ISIS.
      
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      January 7, 2020 9:37am
Yvette

A stuff article claims – Māori ‘deserve more praise’ and 2020 is the perfect year for it.

OPINION: In 2020, it’s time for all of us to be proud of our Māori heritage and celebrate it.
Why? Because we don’t honour Māori people, their traditions and language enough. Māori cultural practices are interwoven in the many strands of our society, affecting everyone whether we realise it or not. Kiwis generally aren’t very good at celebrating ourselves or making much of a fuss of our success. We’re a humble nation. A trait shared by Māori and non-Māori alike.

But 2020 is special; it’s 180 years since the Treaty of Waitangi was signed and it’s an election year. It’s the perfect time to celebrate Māori and see them for the resilient, resourceful and proud people they are.

I invite you to consider this against the issue of special schooling – partnership schools – which were catering for those Maori and Pacifica students who were failing in the public education system, making partnership schools a taonga to those who benefited from them.
Now the demise of these schools are appealed as a claim to the Waitangi Tribunal.
This though, has happened in the face of Labour having all Maori Special Seats and their being greater Maori and Pacifica representation in Parliament in general, and in particular in its leadership, than ever before.

Has anyone ever even seen a dollar figure for what these schools were in fact costing the country, to compare against some of the well publicised social outcomes that also cost the nation?

Carmen Parahi, who has written the stuff article, says –
Māori deserve more praise than they generally receive. They are an important part of this nation and integral to its identity.
But can Carmen compete with Kelvin Davis –

“After nine years of this National Government, propped up by the Māori party, there’s not a lot to brag about. Māori are more likely to be overweight, depressed, homeless, incarcerated and uneducated according to these disturbing statistics produced under National’s watch.
– Kelvin Davis “No mana for Māori” https://www.labour.org.nz/no_mana_for_m_ori

We have seen what the Maori Caucus (and Special Seats) did for partnership schools.
Now, in the few days left to clean up a mess before Ardern returns to be “held to account”, at her insistence, at Waitangi, we await to see what Winston’s Labour-led Government will do with Ihumatoa.
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January 7, 2020 9:07am
- Sacha
  
  Speaking of Ihumatoa: I heard a wee snippet on the news last week that Fletchers are apparently being a wee bit uncoperative about the Westport Hospital building contract . . . . . . . .
  
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  January 7, 2020 10:54am
- DigNap15
  
  I’m sick of the MSM banging on about Maori, their language, climate change, gender imbalance, and about ten other things.
  Just report the news.
  
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  January 7, 2020 11:42am
  - GoVege
    
    Ten other things?
    Does that include the appalling suicide rates for young Maori?
    Surely that is newsworthy.
    
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    January 7, 2020 12:59pm
    - Tall Man
      
      The suicide rate for NZ is currently a problem that ardern chose to politicise in 2017 then slam the door shut on any suggestions to lower it.
      
      Since her campaign the rate has risen in all sectors except for European males although how a “maori” is defined is a bit of a mystery to me. What proportion of maori blood do you have to have to be regarded as a maori in the suicide stats.
      
      The thing to remember is that almost twice as many people of all race in NZ die from suicide as they do in road accidents.
      
      Look at how much money is spent on road safety compared to the absolute pittance suicide prevention is given. Mike King is happy now though as he is now part of the government gravy train whereas under the previous Government he was on the outside looking in and so was critical of the lack of targets whereas now he is ok with now targets.
      
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      January 7, 2020 2:57pm
      - GoVege
        
        TM: I agree that only a pittance is allocated to suicide prevention, but please don’t accuse Mike King of being part of the government gravy train.
        He is one of the most honest people out there, prepared to speak out when organizations fail to do their job.
        
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        January 7, 2020 3:23pm
      - GoVege
        
        On the subject of suicide/depression…it was good to see Brian May of Queen admitting that he gets really depressed at Christmas.
        We’ve had quite a few celebrities top themselves in recent years.
        Nice they’re starting to reveal their true feelings…
        
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        January 7, 2020 3:31pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Well Vege, please explain why he spent an inordinate amount of time criticising the previous Government over their suicide prevention efforts yet has leapt on board with the coalitions efforts which have zero targets and have actually seen a rise in suicides.
        
        ardern politicised suicide in 2017 and his “support” now is merely a reflection of his political affiliations in my opinion. I wonder just how much of the “dedicated” $40 million will actually make it’s way out of the “administration zone”.
        
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        January 7, 2020 7:05pm
  - sooty
    
    We don’t want to know, what you think either!
    There is a reason that jurnos are next mps, car salesmen.
    
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    January 7, 2020 1:00pm
- Inandout
  
  Maori deserve to be allowed to stand on their own feet instead of treated like brain dead people.
  
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  January 7, 2020 1:23pm
  - GoVege
    
    It’s not a matter of treating them like “brain dead people “.
    It’s about making allowances for people’s life circumstances that may be preventing them from succeeding.
    For instance, if a young person has parents with mental health problems/ alcoholism / drug addiction, they probably need extra help from society because their parents are not up to the task.
    Youngsters from cultures that believe children (and their mothers) should be subjected to violent “discipline” are going to need extra assistance, unless we are willing to let them fall by the wayside.
    
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    January 7, 2020 3:17pm
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Hm. I really think any people in those circumstances shouldn’t have children.
      
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      January 7, 2020 6:35pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  One part-Maori woman I know says she won’t visit her Pah until the sexist aspects of the culture are remedied. Not all Maori value everything about the culture.
  
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  January 7, 2020 6:34pm
  - GoVege
    
    Glad to hear it, CL. 🙂
    
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    January 8, 2020 12:22pm
Humble Capitalist

Just out of interest have been reading a newspaper from 100 years ago. Fatal tram crash in Pirie St. Wgtn, Droughts in Auckland, Returning British soldiers are far from happy that women have tmoved into their jobs, returning Canadian servicemen not happy about huge Japanese investment into Salmon cannery, Hailstorms in Queensland, inebriates being fined 1 pound, loitering homeless drunks being fined 5 quid, River Seine flooded, Japanese troops move to Siberia to push back the Bolsheviks, Auckland give Canterbury a day of `leather hunting’ as they rack up 643 in the Plunket Shield (Sydney Smith 256). Also an advert for Gilbey’s gin – this world famous stimulant, the medicinal values of which are beyond question.
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January 7, 2020 9:13am
- mikenmildagain
  
  On this day in 1931:
  Australian Guy Menzies comlpeted the first solo flight across the Tasman, crash-landing in a swamp at Harihari on the West Coast.
  The 21-year-old Menzies took off from Sydney in Southern Cross Junior, a single-engined Avro Avian biplane. Rough weather over the Tasman drove him well south of his intended destination, Blenheim. He completed the flight in 11 hours 45 minutes.
  
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  January 7, 2020 9:42am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0D3qtAmT3g
Rotherham grooming gang victim speaks out about online threats and disgraceful council actions.
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January 7, 2020 9:26am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwCPibtb14c
Trump threatens world stability. So what?
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January 7, 2020 9:26am
- rouppe
  
  Maybe I should invest in some of those companies making drone missiles. Could be a bit of a run on them
  
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  January 7, 2020 10:39am
RW Capitalist

Start 2020
Thinking on how much we did, with how little we had…
Back in the days of tanners and bobs
Back in the days of tanners and bobs
When Mothers had patience and Fathers had jobs.
When football team families wore hand me down shoes,
And T.V gave only two channels to choose.
Back in the days of three penny bits,
when schools employed nurses to search for your nits.
When snowballs were harmless; ice slides were permitted
and all of your jumpers were warm and hand knitted.
Back in the days of hot ginger beers,
when children remained so for more than six years.
When children respected what older folks said,
and pot was a thing you kept under your bed.
Back in the days of Listen with Mother,
when neighbours were friendly and talked to each other.
When cars were so rare you could play in the street.
When Doctors made house calls and Police walked the beat.
Back in the days of Milligan’s Goons,
when butter was butter and songs all had tunes.
It was dumplings for dinner and trifle for tea,
and your annual break was a day by the sea.
Back in the days of Dixon’s Dock Green,
Crackerjack pens and Lyons ice cream.
When children could freely wear National Health glasses,
and teachers all stood at the FRONT of their classes.
Back in the days of rocking and reeling,
when mobiles were things that you hung from the ceiling. When woodwork and pottery got taught in schools,
and everyone dreamed of a win on the pools.
Back in the days when I was a lad,
I can’t help but smile for the fun that I had.
Hopscotch and roller skates; snowballs to lob.
Back in the days of tanners and bobs.
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January 7, 2020 9:31am
- MCos
  
  ‘ pot was a thing you kept under your bed.’
  
  What sort of a house did you live in?
  
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  January 7, 2020 2:42pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Well, when I say ‘house’ it was only a hole in the ground covered by a sheet of tarpaulin, but it was a house to us.
    
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    January 7, 2020 3:02pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    My grandfather, in the late 60’s early 70’s, enclosed the back porch of his house, so that the toilet was now inside the house.
    He lived in Alicetown, Lower Hutt.
    That house is now worth over $800k and has not been altered since he died.
    
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    January 7, 2020 6:00pm
Maggy Wassilieff

С Рождеством!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvO_jk21VTw
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January 7, 2020 9:40am
- Tall Man
  
  Is the deep voice compulsory for an Orthodox priest? No transgender need apply??
  
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  January 7, 2020 9:49am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It’s attractive, isn’t it?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WpD2Cspn6g
    
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    January 7, 2020 10:00am
    - Stephieboy2
      
      I agree! Very partial towards Slavonic liturgy choral music whether base or sorprano etc
      
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      January 7, 2020 11:04am
  - Inandout
    
    TM, I thought deep was quite common until I heard Paul Robeson singing Trees.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOHekLZD5i4
    
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    January 7, 2020 1:31pm
JibberJabber

They have the audacity to call for an “economic revolution” after making fortunes off us working-class stiffs. They look down on anyone who doesn’t vote like them because they can’t possibly imagine a world in which they might be wrong. Fame has tricked them into believing they are the moral arbiter of all that is good and right and just in the world.&

https://quillette.com/2020/01/06/ricky-gervais-man-of-the-people
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January 7, 2020 9:42am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

1955.
https://dustyoldthing.com/1955-guide-housewife-rules/?utm_source=bcglp-gen&utm_medium=social-fb&fbclid=IwAR1lmuHya0RtP6a4fw6pHT8MifzVX3SWOkSPA8fj8IoXmXmQhiCaESLl8PA
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January 7, 2020 10:12am
- Stephieboy2
  
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  With occasional black eyes and bruised cheeks and jaws thrown in for good measure?
  
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  January 7, 2020 10:33am
  - skyblue
    
    Stiffie – I will report you to the SPCA.
    
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    January 7, 2020 10:51am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Only one bite?
  
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  January 7, 2020 12:06pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  I don’t think men would want that deal anymore either – sole provider, and all the men in the pictures slim, good-looking and perfectly dressed – quite some effort required! Who could be bothered these days …
  
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  January 7, 2020 6:48pm
Fletch

Jacinda has been named “Pacific Person of the Year’.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/jacinda-ardern-named-pacific-person-year

Who know what for. I certainly don’t
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January 7, 2020 10:58am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Well she has spent a lot of time holidaying in the pacific so maybe it’s deserved.
  
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  January 7, 2020 11:06am
- Tony Stuart
  
  For the millions of your tax dollars and mine that she and Winston Peters have dished out all around the Pacific, I should say.
  
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  January 7, 2020 11:15am
- sooty
  
  Would it be for our money she’s been chucking around?
  
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  January 7, 2020 11:18am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The NZ money she has given away. Ardern would have outcompete China.
  
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  January 7, 2020 12:57pm
- skyblue
  
  No time for stale pale males (except the coke snorter). But we pay the majority of the tax she throws about like confetti to the Pacific Islands.
  
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  January 7, 2020 2:10pm
- MrLovebucket
  
  I bet Winnie is pissed he didn’t get it, Afterall, he paid for it.
  
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  January 7, 2020 8:20pm
- Scooter
  
  Or rather “Pathetic Person of the Year”
  
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  January 7, 2020 11:26pm
DigNap15

I just hope she goes there more this election year.
May be beneficiaries will start to wonder why they can’t have nice holidays in the sun every few months.
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January 7, 2020 11:44am
Maggy Wassilieff

stephieboy wants evidence of how many arsonists have been charged this fire season in Australia..

Both the SMH and The Australian are reporting that 183 people have been legally charged so far.
(the Australian article is paywalled….)

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw-fires-legal-action-taken-against-183-people-this-bushfire-season-20200106-p53p97.html

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nearly-200-people-arrested-across-australia-deliberately-starting-bushfires
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January 7, 2020 12:43pm
- chaos
  
  No he really doesn’t want evidence, it’s just his ploy at being stupid to push his agenda rather than face the truth
  
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  January 7, 2020 12:54pm
  - sooty
    
    Tell him to do his bloody research!
    
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    January 7, 2020 6:06pm
    - chaos
      
      Exactly, takes 30 seconds to bring up google and find those articles. He’s just trolling and doesn’t give a damn about anything outside of his agenda.
      
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      January 7, 2020 6:50pm
- MCos
  
  From the article
  ‘ NSW Police have taken legal action against 183 people so far this bushfire season, including charging 24 people with deliberately lighting bushfires.’
  
  This article from ten years ago estimates that about half of all bushfires are deliberately lit, so it’s not a new phenomenon.
  https://aic.gov.au/publications/bfab/bfab059
  
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  January 7, 2020 2:35pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    This article from ten years ago estimates that about half of all bushfires are deliberately lit, so it’s not a new phenomenon.
    
    Indeed it is not. And anyone who knew the first thing about Australian Forest fire history would know this… but we have had quite a time trying to convince one of the trolls here of that fact.
    
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/12/general_debate_31_december_2019.html#comment-2615923
    
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2020/01/general_debate_1_january_2020.html#comment-2616289
    
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2020/01/general_debate_6_january_2020.html/comment-page-1#comment-2619223
    
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    January 7, 2020 3:07pm
    - sam green
      
      You seem obsessed with him Maggy – why not press ignore?
      
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      January 7, 2020 3:36pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I’m not obsessed with HIM!
        
        But the only defence I have on this blog against the trolls who persist with querying my posts is to back up the information/observations I post here.
        
        Sam, do you think I should have just shut up and accepted the fact that stephieboy and others were free to abuse the shit out of me on this blog?
        
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        January 7, 2020 4:35pm
      - sam green
        
        Yes but getting apoplectic about a twat like stephieboy2 is bad for your mental health. You’re only feeding him.
        
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        January 7, 2020 5:15pm
- Stephieboy2
  
  MW, 183 arsonists taking advantege of the unusually dry and hot weather conditions ,
  
  “Grim fire season looms but many Australians remain unprepared”
  
  “Bushfires are predicted to be worse than normal across much of Australia this summer but research shows many people, especially those in high-risk areas, remain unprepared….
  
  The ingredients for a bad fire season
  
  Above-normal bushfire potential refers to the ability of a large fire to take hold. It takes into account recent and predicted weather for a particular area, the dryness of the land and forests, and recent fire history.
  
  The year to date has been unusually warm and dry for large parts of Australia. In fact it has been the fifth-driest start to the year on record, and the driest since 1970. Some areas, such as New South Wales into southeastern Queensland, are into their third year of dry conditions.
  
  The warming trend means that above average temperatures now tend to occur in most years, and 2019 has followed this pattern. These high temperatures further dry the landscape and vegetation…’
  
  https://www.bnhcrc.com.au/news/blogpost/richard-thornton/2019/grim-fire-season-looms-many-australians-remain-unprepared
  
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  January 7, 2020 3:10pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Stuffy, everyone knows there is a drought. There are *also* arsonists. There are *also* uncontrolled fuel loads that should have been reduced for decades.
    
    The only points of debate are really these: 1. to what extent is this drought caused by humans, 2. to what extent can it be changed by CO2 reduction and 3. how feasible is it for a population of 7 billion humans to significantly reduce CO2 anyway.
    
    Even if you totally convinced everyone here that AGW is real, you still can’t answer questions 2 and 3. Because nobody really knows.
    
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    January 7, 2020 6:55pm
chaos

Well done to the parents of these kids

* Outrage on social media after vandals smeared the grounds of a Temuka school with coloured powder paint drew the culprits out within hours.

Arowhenua Māori School principal Bronwyn Te Koeti-James said two primary-aged children from out of town were responsible for breaking into a shed overnight Thursday and slinging the $300 worth of pink, yellow, and blue powder paint found inside about the grounds.

“It was pretty easy to find them because the evidence sticks like crazy,” Te Koeti-James said.

Te Koeti-James discovered the carnage on Friday morning and took to social media to appeal for help. That afternoon, the culprits’ parents brought them over and they got stuck in to helping caretaker Rick James with the clean-up.*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/118611161/arowhenua-mori-school-vandals-come-forward-to-help-clean-up
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January 7, 2020 12:52pm
- sooty
  
  Some wanker of a mayor did that on a road in Wellington and called it a pedestrian crossing!
  
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  January 7, 2020 6:03pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Some Parts of South Australia have just experienced their COLDEST january temperatures ever (since records began)

(Not reported by the MSM though)
https://electroverse.net/25-locations-across-australia-just-set-their-coldest-january-days-ever/
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January 7, 2020 1:26pm
- Inandout
  
  Much of the NI has also experienced colder days and high winds.
  
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  January 7, 2020 1:35pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Yup. We had friends in Brisbane for Christmas. It was 24deg and raining on Christmas day. Locals wore sweaters that week.
  
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  January 7, 2020 1:43pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  But what has the winter weather been like in Slovakia?
  
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  January 7, 2020 1:48pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Great for skiing
    https://www.bbc.com/weather/3060972
    
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    January 7, 2020 2:07pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Currently -5 C
    
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    January 7, 2020 2:08pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Now do Guatemala.
    
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    January 7, 2020 2:42pm
  - cmm
    
    MMA: You seem to misunderstand how to use Google. You do not need to log on to kiwiblog.
    
    http://www.just-fucking-google.it?s=What%20is%20the%20temperature%20in%20Slovakia&e=mover
    
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    January 7, 2020 2:44pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I was wondering why Maggy was providing random weather reports, and whether she would take requests.
      
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      January 7, 2020 3:20pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        and I’m wondering why the full-on deflection games these past few days.
        
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        January 7, 2020 3:50pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Defelection games would have to start with something (real or imagined) to deflect from, wouldn’t they?
        
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        January 7, 2020 4:01pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Agreed MMA..
        
        and I would suggest that the fact that I am posting material on a topic I know something about…
        Australian Forest fire ecology and history … is causing me to be the target of trolls.
        
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        January 7, 2020 5:05pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        So what did random temperature readings from SA have to do with the bushfires in NSW and VIC?
        
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        January 7, 2020 5:41pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        You are confused MMA…
        
        I posted a separate thread.. about record cold temperatures in South Australia this week….
        
        It may or nor be relevant to the cool weather some parts of NZ are currently experiencing…..
        
        but you went off on a deflection curve to Slovakia…
        
        I think it’s called trolling just for the sake of it.
        
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        January 7, 2020 6:05pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        You ‘posted a thread’? You made a comment on a different thread, I think you mean. It might have been helpful to note that when commenting on SA temperatures, although even then the relevance of those temperatures seems doubtful. But, then again, I don’t know anything of ‘Australian Forest fire ecology and history’, so perhaps you would be kind enough to elucidate the argument further.
        
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        January 7, 2020 7:38pm
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Stuffy and Milky are just sexist shits who can’t tolerate a competent woman who knows the facts.
      
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      January 7, 2020 6:57pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        And she needs a white knight to come to her rescue?
        
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        January 7, 2020 7:38pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        well I’d rather a white knight than a troll who posts slimey comments about me at 11pm on this blog.
        
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2020/01/general_debate_2_january_2020.html#comment-2617039
        
        Give it a rest, MMA.
        You are embarrassing yourself.
        
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        January 7, 2020 7:58pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Embarrassing myself? I’m not the one claiming that ‘an elite group of folk want to take control of the Global economic system’.
        
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        January 7, 2020 8:04pm
      - curry4me
        
        I always scroll right past their stuff.
        
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        January 7, 2020 8:59pm
- MCos
  
  Christchurch.can have it’s hottest & coldest temperatures in the same afternoon.
  
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  January 7, 2020 2:22pm
- cmm
  
  December 2019 has certainly been quite a lot cooler than average in Canterbury.
  
  In 2010 NIWA told us that the 2000-20009 decade had been warmer than the 1990-1999 decade by a whole 0.01 degrees – that’s 35 degree days. A week like the last week of 2019 would have changed the result for the 2000-2009 decade from warmer to cooler.
  
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  January 7, 2020 2:28pm
  - barnacle bill
    
    An interesting read cmm.
    
    Looks like the graphs are all uphill to me.
    
    But make of it, what you wish.
    
    https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/01/03/world-gone-wrong-an-environmental-diary-of-2019/
    
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    January 7, 2020 3:15pm
    - cmm
      
      On a graph with an x-axis in degrees, you will not see the 0.01 degree difference NIWA was talking about. That would be a fraction of a pixel.
      
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      January 7, 2020 4:32pm
      - barnacle bill
        
        As I said cmm, make of it what you wish.
        
        However, the whole argument by deniers and believers has become a pointless exercise.
        
        Neither side will ever change their minds until it can be proven one way or the other, and by the time that happens the current world population will be long gone, by old age or disease.
        
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        January 7, 2020 5:16pm
  - chaos
    
    Yeah, snow on the hills and all fires have been going nightly in our town for a few weeks now.
    
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    January 7, 2020 3:51pm
- Stephieboy2
  
  MW, cant see them here ,
  
  http://www.bom.gov.au/sa/observations/saall.shtm
  
  But more likely a similar situation in Auckland on Sunday where the Bush fire haze caused temperatures to drop a couple of degrees
  
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  January 7, 2020 3:15pm
  - Stephieboy2
    
    MW , nothing unusual here,
    
    The overnight minimum temperature range was from 3.3 degrees at Naracoorte to 21.2 degrees at Moomba.
    
    The daytime highest temperatures recorded to 4pm ranged from 18.4 degrees at Parawa to 32.3 degrees at Marree.
    
    http://www.bom.gov.au/sa/observations/review.shtml
    
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    January 7, 2020 3:23pm
curry4me

Eugene’s family dinner.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz9SeJc42p0
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January 7, 2020 3:00pm
cmm

So the Iranians didn’t get the memo that USA does not need Middle Eastern oil any more.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12298538
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January 7, 2020 4:24pm
- MCos
  
  Whether or not the US needs ME oil isn’t the issue.
  Disruption to supply anywhere causes a spike in oil prices everywhere, and there’s nothing like rising petrol prices to concentrate the minds of the voters wonderfully.
  
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  January 7, 2020 6:33pm
Fletch

According to “linguists in the US”, the Word of the Decade is “they” when used as a pronoun to refer to those of indeterminate gender… *sigh* ?

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/lifestyle/2020/01/gender-neutral-pronoun-they-announced-as-word-of-the-decade.html
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January 7, 2020 4:51pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Cunning linguists?
  
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  January 7, 2020 5:42pm
- MrLovebucket
  
  The word should be “pervert”
  
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  January 7, 2020 8:23pm
Fletch

Don Jr triggers liberals while posing with a gun, the magazine decorated with a picture of Hillary behind bars… lol ?

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2020/01/donald-trump-s-son-poses-with-gun-emblazoned-with-picture-of-hilary-clinton-behind-bars.html

Troll level – Expert.
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January 7, 2020 4:52pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Nice to see someone appreciates Fredo.
  
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  January 7, 2020 5:43pm
  - sooty
    
    That picture will trigger many woke snowflakes!
    
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    January 7, 2020 5:56pm
- curry4me
  
  Excellent article. Thanks for posting it.
  
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  January 7, 2020 9:03pm
cmm

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel-troubles/118624913/a-9000-nightmare-overseas-visitors-caught-out-by-nzs-new-tourist-visa

Pople did not check how visas work and made a silly assumption and we’re supposed to feel sorry for them???

“UK residents Kasia Luzynska (left) and Jean van Wyngaardt say their once-in-a-lifetime trip to NZ has become a ‘nightmare’ because of visa issues. ”

“Any reasonable person would conclude that a UK permanent resident fits this criteria, but as it turns out – the information is misleading.”

No, silly people residence does not override your passport. It never has, and never will.

Even NZ residents who are not NZ passport holders need to make sure their visas are in order before traveling to NZ.

A reasonable person would understand that.

PS same applies for ANY country you travel to – not just NZ.
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January 7, 2020 5:00pm
- chaos
  
  when he rang immigration New Zealand they weren’t even sure of the new rules.
  
  “ “When contacting the New Zealand immigration call centre, it took around 30 minutes of back and forth conversation and being put on hold for the support team to clarify because even they were not sure. The way this is worded is not how it should be interpreted.””
  
  When they worked out he needed to apply he turn around is usually less than 30 days, it’s been 32 days since he applied
  
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  January 7, 2020 5:24pm
- MCos
  
  My wife travels on a Thai passport and has a permanent resident visa that must be renewed whenever she renews her passport.
  Seems simple enough and it has been over the years until last year.
  We arrived back in NZ not knowing what her status was because what we were told when applying for the visa was incorrect.
  
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  January 7, 2020 6:51pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Why would that surprise you from a Ministry run by Please-Gallopaway?
    
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    January 7, 2020 9:17pm
Happychappy

Is this what we have to get unaccustomed to before the 2020 General Election and will the media lower themselves even lower than they have with this load of bias Political crap.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/2020-election-and-12-months-since-march-15-terrorist-attacks-coming-year-bring-new-zealand
This is what we should expect from our corrupt media and Journalism leading up to our 2020 General Election.
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January 7, 2020 5:04pm
Maggie Pie

CAUTION:
If anyone gets a message from me about tinned meat while I’m away, don’t open it.

It’s spam.
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January 7, 2020 5:05pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

I don’t know if this is fake, but Ghislaine Maxwell has been ‘away’ for a while.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/money/ghislaine-maxwell-guards-jeffrey-epstein?fbclid=IwAR3-N3txta_W6sPO4WZjAwnErBjRDsnEsQEt2w449_bwHxaxMynp8aamioA
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January 7, 2020 5:25pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  I see the Clinton’s are very concerned about her as well.
  Yesterday at a family gathering, Hillary was overheard saying, “….that the last time she saw Ghislaine, the poor woman appeared quite suicidal”
  
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  January 7, 2020 6:46pm
  - chaos
    
    I heard bill was singing “swing low, sweet Ghislaine, Hillary’s coming to carry you home”
    
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    January 7, 2020 7:20pm
JibberJabber

Done deal! No returns.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7858661/Australians-beg-Jacinda-Ardern-lead-country-shes-pictured-dining-New-South-Wales.html?login#readerCommentsCommand-message-field

Phew! that`s a relief.?
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January 7, 2020 5:59pm
- nasska
  
  The Aussies are normally hard bargainers. What do they want as a sweetener?
  
  There must be a fish hook in the offer somewhere. 🙂
  
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  January 7, 2020 8:03pm
- Scooter
  
  Chef Steven Snow… haha read between the lines
  
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  January 8, 2020 12:21am
Hugh Pavletich

AUSTRALIA … BUSHFIRES …

‘Never seen anything like it’: The Australia bush fires are generating vast areas of violent weather … Andrew Freeman and Matthew Cappucci … The Washington Post

https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2020/01/06/never-seen-anything-like-it-australia-bush-fires-are-generating-vast-areas-violent-weather/

… extract …

… Neil Lareau, a meteorologist at the University of Nevada at Reno who researches fire-induced clouds, said he has never seen an outbreak of pyrocumulonimbus clouds as extensive and long-lasting as they have been during the ongoing Australia fire crisis. “The scope of the fires, I’ve just never seen anything like it,” he said in an interview, noting that these blazes have covered far more ground than anything seen in California, for example. “It’s a much scarier fire environment in a lot of ways.” … read more via hyperlink above …

… access image …

https://www.washingtonpost.com/resizer/4hmgHJAEtBretBAzEl1wdBBlEks=/1484×0/arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/VSTUD3HJVJDNTHUDQXJZ4TBNIA.jpg
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There’s only one way to make bushfires less powerful: take out the stuff that burns … Prof Rod Keenan, University of Melbourne … The Conversation

https://theconversation.com/theres-only-one-way-to-make-bushfires-less-powerful-take-out-the-stuff-that-burns-129323
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January 7, 2020 6:19pm
- Stephieboy2
  
  H P , some good stuff!
  
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  January 7, 2020 8:11pm
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    ‘A massive blow’: Dark side to celebrity bushfire donations … OPINION James Murphy, economist … News com au
    
    https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/a-massive-blow-dark-side-to-celebrity-bushfire-donations/news-story/8748dc87e0ca331e2f9476d795d478ea
    
    COMMENT
    
    Australia has been dealt a massive blow with these fires. Even after the first green shoots come up through ashy forest floors, and even after burned out homes start to get rebuilt, the tourism industry will be suffering.
    
    This is a problem because tourism is a huge industry. It generates $110 billion in economic activity every single year, according to estimates by the Tourism and Transport Forum. What’s more, it has been a shining beacon of growth in our economy. With construction suffering and retail struggling, tourism has been surging ahead. That adds much-needed momentum to an otherwise-wobbly economy.
    
    But now, as Australian summer turns to horror, and foreign embassies warn their citizens of danger, tourists are getting worried.
    
    SHOULD I CANCEL MY TRIP? … read more via hyperlink above …
    
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    January 8, 2020 2:32am
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Smoke in Australia’s capital is so bad that the agency responsible for emergency management shut down … CNN
      
      https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/06/australia/australia-fires-capital-intl-hnk/index.html
      
      Poor air quality caused by bushfire smoke posing serious risk for healthy people too, health experts warn … ABCNews
      
      https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-01-07/prolonged-bushfire-smoke-creates-new-health-risks/11844934
      
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      January 8, 2020 3:34am
Classic Liberal

Amusing article:

“progressive cancel-culture enthusiasts now spend a lot of time attacking each other — since their social and professional affiliations within activist, academic and artistic milieus render them uniquely vulnerable to mob pressure.”

If only they would just stick it to each other. Unfortunately, once they get into power, they stick it to us all.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/jonathan-kay-the-main-victims-of-progressive-cancel-culture-are-progressives-themselves
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