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Hugh Pavletich

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AUSTRALIA … SUPPLY STRANGLED HOUSING INFLATION OUT OF CONTROL …

More confirmation house prices rocketed in December quarter … Leith van Onselen … MacroBusiness Australia
… behind paywall …

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2020/01/more-confirmation-house-prices-rocketed-in-december-quarter/

CoreLogic’s dwelling price results for the December quarter reported turbo-charged growth, driven by Sydney and Melbourne where values rose by more than 6% over the quarter: …

… Over the weekend, Domain released its price results for the December quarter. This also recorded explosive growth, with house prices across the combined capitals surging by 4.2% over the quarter, driven by 5.7% growth across Sydney and 5.0% across Melbourne: … read more via hyperlink above …
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… Why has Australia failed to date to follow New Zealand’s lead, in forming a broad political consensus to deal with land supply and proper debt financing of infrastructure ?

Refer Page 20 New Zealand Section … recently released …

2020 16th ANNUAL DEMOGRAPHIA INTERNATIONAL HOUSING AFFORDABILITY SURVEY

http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf
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January 28, 2020 8:03am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Oh God, Hugh’s pooped the bed.
  
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  January 28, 2020 8:13am
  - MrTips
    
    Half time, change sides….not
    
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    January 28, 2020 8:15am
  - Tall Man
    
    “Pooped” here as well!
    
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    January 28, 2020 8:36am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    New dwelling completions in Auckland are on a high but may be close to peaking … Greg Ninness … Interest Co NZ
    
    https://www.interest.co.nz/property/103360/new-dwelling-completions-auckland-are-high-may-be-close-peaking
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    New Zealand’s biggest social scandal – Dr Oliver Hartwich, Executive Director, New Zealand Initiative
    
    https://nzinitiative.outreach.co.nz/?Ns=&Na=view-msg-public&SMESG-oid=21663&Scontact=2149250d
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    Housing affordability is by far and away THE BIGGEST political issue in New Zealand …
    
    Ipsos NZ Issues Monitor November 2019
    
    https://www.ipsos.com/en-nz/ipsos-nz-issues-monitor-november-2019
    
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    January 28, 2020 8:40am
- Colville
  
  wasnt just a few months back Hugh was telling us Oz house prices were in freefall and that was coming here?
  
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  January 28, 2020 8:30am
  - alex Masterley
    
    I was visiting Melbourne last week. There is the same moaning about 1st home affordablity there as there is here. didn’t see evidence of prices in free fall.
    
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    January 28, 2020 9:05am
- marcw
  
  “New Zealand’s lead, in forming a broad political consensus to deal with land supply and proper debt financing of infrastructure ?”
  
  What planet is this guy on?
  
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  January 28, 2020 8:59am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Please watch closely Urban Development Minister Hon Phil Twyford’s 1st Reading Speech for the Infrastructure Funding & Financing Bill just prior to Christmas … and too, an Interest Co NZ’s Jenee Tinshraeny interview with National’s Hon Judith Collins …
    
    https://vimeo.com/379923683
    
    https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/bills-and-laws/bills-proposed-laws/document/BILL_93461/tab/video?page=2
    
    How Judith Collins has more in common with her arch nemesis, Phil Twyford, than one might be led to believe … Jenee Tibshraeny … Interest Co NZ
    
    https://www.interest.co.nz/personal-finance/103112/how-judith-collins-has-more-common-her-archnemesis-phil-twyford-one-might-be
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    Following 15+ years of solid public discussion / debate (refer http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org ) we are now well and truly in the Implementation phase. Politicians know the costs to themselves for failing with housing issues.
    
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    January 28, 2020 9:25am
    - freethinker
      
      Thanks Hugh especially the Judith Collins interview.
      
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      January 28, 2020 10:43am
      - sooty
        
        Link whoring again hughie!
        Still getting no one visiting your blog!
        
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        January 28, 2020 11:37am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Sooty … On the public support front, may I suggest you study closely the quarterly IPSOS Issues Monitors … link above …
        
        Housing rates as the major issue with between 41 – 50% of Kiwis … about 20% in Australia and 15% in the United Kingdom.
        
        On a ‘weighted basis’ Australia is about as unaffordable as us at roughly 4 times GDP … turbocharged by Sydney and Melbourne..
        
        Talk about leaving ourselves vulnerable … something I touched on about 6 years ago …
        
        New Zealand’s Bubble Economy Is Vulnerable | Hugh Pavletich … Scoop News
        
        https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1404/S00166/new-zealands-bubble-economy-is-vulnerable-hugh-pavletich.htm
        
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        January 28, 2020 12:03pm
Old White Loser

Looking at this book Profiles in Corruption by Peter Schweizer https://g.co/kgs/kDw11C and how the system works in the USA, I wonder how similar Politicians are in New Zealand.

This book is backed up by over 12oo documents and all sources are noted in the index.
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January 28, 2020 8:08am
- Tall Man
  
  It doesn’t take a particularly astute mind to see quite clearly the corruption emanating within the current government.
  
  Let me list just a couple for you…..
  
  1) An old “mate” of ardern is offered a “created” job outside his skill set without due process being applied. When “caught” the job disappears as does her “mate” but with a cool $100k in his pocket.
  
  2) A convicted drug dealer with connections to ardern, 2 references supplied directly to her from ritchie and a recently released criminal, is granted permanent residency, again without due process.
  
  3) The labour agenda to push for government control was “discreetly” advanced with unrecorded meetings behind but cabinet and the board of RNZ.
  
  4) The fishing industry, a known benefactor of the “what’s in it for wynston foundation, gains the scrapping of the Kermadec reserve plus the mothballing of “on vessel” cameras and with the rat swallowing support of the green party.
  
  To all the retarded labour trolls infesting this site like maggots on a dead rat, please “spin” those “apples” baby!
  
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  January 28, 2020 8:45am
  - Random T Person
    
    Don’t forget the NZ First/NZ Forestry attempted heist. And in fact that whole PGF lolly scramble. What do we not know about?
    
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    January 28, 2020 11:21am
    - Tall Man
      
      We know little and probably never will.
      
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      January 28, 2020 1:56pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Well people, it’s the end of the working day and so far not a single troll has popped in to “spin” my comments.
    
    Based on my day with the mods I suppose I was lucky to get this comment posted but I did expect at least one little numbnut to pop up.
    
    Anyway trolls, feel free to have at me because I have plenty more 🙂
    
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    January 28, 2020 5:33pm
- mikenmildagain
  
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  Is it about the Trmup family crime syndicate?
  
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  January 28, 2020 9:02am
  - alloytoo
    
    different “first” family.
    
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    January 28, 2020 10:38am
- Fletch
  
  The book shows, “An investment fund connected to Hunter Biden received three million dollars in taxpayer cash from a federal program run by one of his father’s top advisers”
  
  https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/01/23/book-bombshell-start-up-linked-to-hunter-biden-bagged-3-million-from-government-program-run-by-biden-adviser/
  
  Yet, again, Trump was wrong to question the Bidens and have their dealings looked into?
  
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  January 28, 2020 9:23am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    So, did Trump ask the FBI to investigate, or did he just ask a foreign government to announce an investigation?
    
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    January 28, 2020 10:25am
    - Nermal
      
      Since it was in Ukraine asking the FBI wouldn’t have been much use
      
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      January 28, 2020 2:38pm
  - joshannon
    
    No, a point that the Denocrat’s fail to miss as they are all caught up in their own electoral hypocrisy.
    
    You don’t have to dig very deep into Hunter Biden to find irregularities, and because that damages Joe Biden, the Democrat’s are doing everything they can to kill the Republican’s chances of re-election.
    
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    January 29, 2020 5:05pm
Swifty

Featured on Liveleak recently:

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=9lNWj_1579935278

A wonderful example of NZ womanhood. FFS.

NSFW.
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January 28, 2020 8:09am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Privacy please.
  
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  January 28, 2020 8:58am
  - Swifty
    
    Sorry KevOB – I’ve missed your point.
    
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    January 28, 2020 11:25am
- Rodney Randall
  
  haha.
  
  Labour voters
  
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  January 28, 2020 9:08am
- The worm that turned
  
  Is she on Tinder?
  
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  January 28, 2020 9:16am
  - Tall Man
    
    Not at that particular moment but……………….
    
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    January 28, 2020 10:28am
- oob
  
  Look at the state of that subhuman.
  
  It doesn’t matter how much money we throw at the problem, they simply cannot be civilised.
  
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  January 28, 2020 10:59am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Classy….
  
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  January 28, 2020 5:44pm
hullkiwi

Thanks to the composition of the CoL, Ihumatau is a problem that is not going to go away for Jacinda and the CoL. Oh dear how sad.

NZF for their own political purposes do not want easy resolution, with Jones calling Newton a “young flower” and a group of Maoris wading in on behalf of Bewton “irritants”.

Then there is the little issue of where the $45m to pay for this fiasco is going to come from.

This all on top of the CoL being taken to the Eaitangi Tribunal over playing around with Whanau Ora funding.

So much for Jacinda telling the Maori world how much she has done for them at Waitangi next week. Seems the lass is good at hyperbole, but short on delivery.
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January 28, 2020 8:11am
- Scott
  
  Hullkiwi – unfortunately Labour appears hell bent on imposing racial preferences for Maori.
  Hobsons pledge notes that the public sector legislation aims for greater participation by Maori thereby raising the spectre of the public sector favouring those applicants for a job who have Maori ancestry over everybody else. The Ihaumato saga appears to be moving to a payout to Fletchers from the taxpayer while the Maori Tribe gets to keep the land while keeping the waitangi tribunal settlement. A case of being able to have your cake and eat it too.
  
  Unfortunately under this government we are moving to two standards of citizenship, Maori and the rest.
  Another reason why we need a change of government urgently.
  
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  January 28, 2020 8:37am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    It’s worse than that Scott. We now have a precedent whereby anyone who owns private property is at risk of their property being returned to Maori if a protest group takes a liking to it.
    
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    January 28, 2020 8:42am
    - mandk
      
      We are also now in a situation where it is clear that one Maori group can ignore the mana whenua of another.
      Te Rauparaha would have approved.
      
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      January 28, 2020 8:47am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Captain, exactly.
      
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      January 28, 2020 8:58am
  - kevn
    
    @Scott… How about we all go on the maori (electoral) roll?
    
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    January 28, 2020 9:09am
  - ISeeRed
    
    National supports this Maori pandering too. This is NZ’s version of “institutionalised racism”. Maori uber alles.
    
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    January 28, 2020 10:18am
    - coolas
      
      And what about National pandering to South Canterbury Finance investors to the tune of $1.6 billion in 2010?
      
      BTW total Treaty Claims as at end 2018 totalled $2.2 billion.
      
      Spot the hypocacy of those crying shame on favouritism for Māori?
      
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      January 28, 2020 2:02pm
- Yvette
  
  hullkiwi – Then there is the little issue of where the $45m to pay for this fiasco is going to come from.
  
  And the other little issue that the figure of $45 million appears to be 6.6 times the amount of the Treaty Settlement – $6.8 million – for the Ihumātao iwi, Te Kawerau ā Maki.
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  Two iwi have quietly been paid huge top-ups, totalling $370 million, to their supposed “full and final” Treaty of Waitangi settlements.
  Waikato-Tainui received $190m and the South Island’s Ngāi Tahu $180m – more than they originally settled for in 1995 and 1998, respectively.
  The payments were made because of “relativity” clauses the tribes negotiated during the “fiscal envelope” settlement process in the mid-1990s [1]
  For Tainui, the figure was 17 per cent, valued in 1994 dollars, and for Ngāi Tahu, 16 per cent. [2]
  
  This would suggest Ngāi Tahu Settlement is worth $1.3 billion, would it not
  ($180m is 16%, so original whole is $1.125b and add $180m just paid new total $1.305b)
  Now make it unbelievably silly”: multiple $1.3b by Ihumatao 6.6 times settlement = $8.6b
  Now Tainui …
  
  This is probably why the whole Ihumātao issue will be disguised through changing its National Heritage status and paying out in relation to that.
  
  [1] this is truely the ultimate “sunset clause” – as in “the sun never sets”
  Waikato-Tainui and Ngai Tahu claims are adjusted if other iwi claim settlements unsettle their already settled proportionality, right?
  [2] https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/100542696/ngi-tahu-and-tainui-receive-370-million-in-treaty-payment-topups-with-more-to-come
  
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  January 28, 2020 9:05am
  - Scott
    
    Yvette – quite right. Unfortunately we will be saddled for this in perpetuity with this current government. Sadly National was not much better. Both parties believe that the best thing to do is to quietly give in to all Maori demands by the transfer of millions of dollars of taxpayer funds to appease Maori interests.
    We need a grassroots uprising in this country. Let’s finish the settlements once and for all. Let’s settle all claims and then shut the books. Otherwise taxpayers will be paying out to Maori interests for generations to come.
    
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    January 28, 2020 9:24am
    - marcw
      
      There is a grass roots uprising Scott, called Hobson’s Choice. Funnily enough, it is treated by msm as (at best) racist, and it’s main public promoter is banned from speaking at a NZ university in case the snowflakes get spooked and start crying.
      
      That’s how far down the woke plughole NZ has gone.
      
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      January 28, 2020 10:12am
    - freethinker
      
      Am I wrong in thinking a previous National Govt promised all settlements complete by 2020? If this has changed when and by whom????
      
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      January 28, 2020 10:53am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Yvette, I agree with what you have written, but compounding the issue is the tax free handshake Cullen gave Maori iwis in 2005. In 2005, Cullen made the profits generated by Maori Settlement Trusts tax free. This has created massive distortions in the business sector, providing Maori with cheap capital to bid for public competitive tenders against local companies which have to pay corporation tax. Such a distortion exists in the public bus transport market, with one of the bus operators enjoying a tax free holiday courtesy of Cullen!
    
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    January 28, 2020 9:32am
secondcumming

*SIXTEEN TONNES*

‘If you see me comin’ better step aside
A lot of men didn’t, a lot of men died
One fist of iron, the other of steel
If the Flakka don’t getcha’, then the Coronavirus will’

[apologies to Tennessee Ernie Ford 😎 ]
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January 28, 2020 8:11am
Sir Cullen's Sidekick

Praise the Lord for Jacinda’s leadership. NZ has no problem to solve at the moment.
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January 28, 2020 8:11am
- Prince
  
  What happened to all the extra tax we paid for 3 years under Ardern’s Govt ?
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/119010525/kids-in-poverty-miss-start-of-school-year-we-had-4-brothers-sharing-one-uniform
  
  First year uni students get extra beer money while young kiddies starve on the streets and can’t afford to go to school.
  
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  January 28, 2020 8:45am
- Tall Man
  
  Have a look at Swifty’s post above.
  
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  January 28, 2020 8:51am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Does the Lord approve of prayer to a Muslim Deity in our Parliament?
  
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  January 28, 2020 9:00am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    It’s highly unlikely that one imaginary being is jealous of another imaginary being.
    
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    January 28, 2020 9:04am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Someone hasn’t remembered their Sunday School lessons:
      
      “Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;”
      Exodus 20:5, KJV
      
      “For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:”
      Exodus 34:14, KJV
      
      “For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.”
      Deuteronomy 4:24, KJV
      
      “Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,”
      Deuteronomy 5:9, KJV
      
      “(For the LORD thy God is a jealous God among you) lest the anger of the LORD thy God be kindled against thee, and destroy thee from off the face of the earth.”
      Deuteronomy 6:15, KJV
      
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      January 28, 2020 10:00am
      - Stephieboy2
        
        Far fewer these days attend Sunday School and if so read from the Bible in modern English rather than fancy AV English.
        
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        January 28, 2020 10:13am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Good point, but perhaps it doesn’t really apply here, as Christians and Muslims (and Jews) are all worshipping the same god.
        
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        January 28, 2020 10:27am
      - alloytoo
        
        KJV really does offer a wonder verse, some of the modern versions just lack the power and cadence of it.
        
        I suppose a way to evaluate great verse would be to imagine James Earl Jones or Samual L Jackson delivering it.
        
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        January 28, 2020 10:57am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        fancy AV English
        
        What tosh!
        
        The King James Version/Authorised Version of the Bible was the Bible of the common person – peasants and working folk.
        
        https://www.history.com/news/king-james-bible-most-popular
        
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        January 28, 2020 3:28pm
Yvette

Auckland CBD to Airport.

Just as Twyford confused the housing issue so it ground to a halt, I wonder now what he is doing to Auckland transport?
Living outside of Auckland, I thought the issue was all about fast travel between central Auckland and the Airport, but in a Newsroom article “Will we find out Auckland’s light rail builder in 2020?” [1] has this paragraph –

People would have to walk a greater distance to get to the station but the thinking goes a faster commute could do more to encourage “mode shift” from private cars onto public transport.

How far will any one walk with their long-haul air travel luggage in tow, some how, in the potential Auckland torrential rain, to get from their home to a bus stop / station or whatever apparent far-between stops this system of travel has, or is it all about something entirely different?

Other paragraphs which may indicate to you the stuppage Twyford is now creating, are –

The choice is between the New Zealand Transport Agency and a joint proposal by the NZ Superannuation Fund and Caisse de dépôt et placement du Québec (CDPQ) Infra, a wholly owned subsidiary of a Canadian pension fund.
Twyford has promoted the latter as a historic “public-public” partnership that would pay the pensions of New Zealanders.
But it would also pay for the pensions of Canadians and this part of the scheme is understood to have prompted some objections from New Zealand First around the amount of money that could potentially go overseas.

Some also argue that there would still be opportunities to intensify housing at key light rail stops and the intensification could be stronger, meaning the same number of houses would be created in Auckland overall no matter which mode of light rail was chosen.

Getting the airport trip time down to 30 minutes might even involve bypassing Dominion Rd entirely.

The risk the project carries would likely mean the Government will pay more to Canadian investors than it would have had it simply borrowed the money itself.

Will nothing but a Labour Election loss make anything Twyford does useful?
And what then is National left to sort out, if we are all signed up to benefit [sick] some Canadian superannuation scheme instead of fix CBD to Airport travel?

[1] https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2020/01/28/1000218/will-the-government-appoint-an-auckland-light-rail-builder-in-2020 if you check out this article, please return to kiwiblog
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January 28, 2020 8:14am
- Simon
  
  “facilitate housing intensification in central Auckland. ”
  
  Auckland is fast becoming a basket case. High housing costs, high general costs, poor government services together with over taxation.
  
  Clown show government will struggle to attract people to Auckland unless they already live in a shit hole country like India or China. Which is what they are relying upon.
  
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  January 28, 2020 8:46am
- DeepBlue
  
  There are now two different briefs which conflict. Property intensification along the route v quick trip to the airport from CBD. Fewer stops favour the latter, but for that pesky issue of how people get to any intermediate destinations.
  
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  January 28, 2020 9:11am
- RoboRob
  
  Strangely the proposed solutions are supposed to acheive the two following goals
  
  1. Fast efficient transport from the airport
  2. Better rail infrastructure in general, allowing trips to work etc, for those in the area with many stops.
  
  In the same interview, when questioned on why he woulding just use the existing heavy rail he said that the #2 would not be met. No one in the COL seems to realise if you meet #2 you invalidate #1.
  
  Why would you take the light rail from the Airport to the CBD if it is slower than the existing bus service?
  
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  January 28, 2020 9:15am
  - alloytoo
    
    I’m not entirely sure why one would take light rail anywhere apart from MOTAT1 to MOTAT2 via the Zoo.
    
    As RoboRob indicated, light rail doesn’t make the airport accessible, In fact I couldn’t think of any worse way of getting to the airport save walking.
    
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    January 28, 2020 11:57am
    - hullkiwi
      
      alloytwo, tram or light rail are always transport solutions in search of a problem. Auckland does not have transport problems/needs that light rail would resolve.
      
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      January 28, 2020 5:43pm
- cmm
  
  It only rains due to 9 years of neglect.
  
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  January 28, 2020 9:19am
Engelbert Humperdink

So, is there Coronavirus in Queenstown or not? I’m inclined to believe there is, simply because yesterday the mayor accused everyone of being racist – cynical me assumes he is getting out ahead of the news…

“Coronavirus: Queenstown mayor Jim Boult urges NZ not to ‘descend to racism and xenophobia'” – headline in a newspaper.
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January 28, 2020 8:15am
- Paulus
  
  Coronavirus Queenstown
  Apparently not !
  
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  January 28, 2020 1:37pm
Happychappy

Jacinda on why it has taken so long to respond to Whanau Ora complaints , I wasn’t happy with the draft I had in front of me and wanted to rework and resolve some other outstanding issues.
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/audio/jacinda-ardern-weighs-in-on-whanau-ora-ihumatao-decision/
Meanwhile the Prime Minister is refusing to put a date on possible deal over Ihumatoa with speculation a agreement could be reached this week. Rumour has it Winston Peters will not agree to a deal until he gets what he wants as it could worsen his position in the polls if he agrees with paying 48 million dollars to Fletchers for the land. It seems to be he wants to be gifted a safe seat from Labour at the next Election to save his Party from demise.
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January 28, 2020 8:17am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Double graft?
  ☑️☑️Rout2020☑️☑️
  
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  January 28, 2020 9:03am
- Sofia
  
  Happychappy
  The ban on oil and gas exploration was reputedly a horse-trading of policies, initially outside of Cabinet, to allow Winston’s waka-jumping legislation in, so supposedly a precedent exists for
  Winston to relent on Ihumatao for a safe seat.
  
  The trouble is that such a rumour, may not be rumour at all, but fact.
  With this Winston chosen Government’s actual record of transparency, who the hell would know?
  
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  January 28, 2020 9:35am
- freethinker
  
  An opportunity for National if the deal on the land goes ahead as described to threaten retrospective legislation to void the transaction – the watch as the feather fly.
  
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  January 28, 2020 11:07am
  - Prince
    
    That would be a constitutional outrage. You can’t just take land off someone who legally has possession…ohh hold on, scrap that.
    
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    January 28, 2020 11:34am
- KH
  
  “Whanau ora” Listen to Turia talk about the money. She doesn’t show much interest in “her people”.
  Shes all about the providers really.
  
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  January 28, 2020 3:26pm
Steve James

I hate bus drivers today. Another one pulled out in front of me after his indicator blinked half of once. Arsehole must be having a bad day.
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January 28, 2020 8:18am
- JackRabbit
  
  Did you not notice his brake lights going off first or the lurch of the bus as he engaged it into gear before pulling?
  
  Always expect the unexpected Grasshopper. Buses have a high propensity to pull out fast, so I recommend reading the conditions and situation.
  
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  January 28, 2020 1:43pm
Simon

Need China / NZ travel ban asap. Why is Labo playing with people’s health and lives?

Cindy can give the arse wipe Xi a hug later on for running such a shit hole country. In the meantime China / NZ travel until this sorts itself out.

If the virus gets established here then NZ health system would collapse. Don’t take the chance need that ban.

National could call for a ban but they dont? Do National want to health system to collapse because it will bring down the Cindy government?
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January 28, 2020 8:18am
- Tall Man
  
  National are not the government. I typed that slowly just so you could keep up.
  
  Simon Bridges getting “involved” at this point would be counter productive. There has been enough pressure applied already by National.
  
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  January 28, 2020 8:54am
  - freethinker
    
    Nothing to worry about our Health Minister is busy praying to any God that listens to prevent the Coronavirus reaching NZ. If that fails Clarke will blame any or all gods involved as he did his best so it must be some one else responsibility.
    
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    January 28, 2020 11:10am
- Simon
  
  “National are not the government. I typed that slowly just so you could keep up.”
  
  Did you read the bit “National could call for a ban”
  
  Its Labo that can implement it and should.
  
  “could call’ …………….. Remember to tick the right boxes in September. Better bring you reading magnifying glass. Better yet bring your own crayons as you might not be able to work the ones provided.
  
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  January 28, 2020 10:13am
  - Tall Man
    
    Simon, could, would, did, didn’t are all words that applied to National at the moment are pointless.
    
    Every time a National member opens their mouth the media look to exploit that comment to favour ardern.
    
    Currently, everything is politics and as the opposition they are not there to “call” for action but to keep the government of liars and thieves honest. You can see by my comment that I do not think they are succeeding at their job and that is because the media are not doing their’s.
    
    Calling for a “ban” on anything is pointless as it alienates a sector for no gain. However, if you looked you will see that National has been commenting on the current inactivity critically.
    
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    January 28, 2020 10:53am
artemisia

Justin Lester, ousted mayor of Wellington has a new job. Savings Ambassador for Simplicity (Kiwisaver and Investment funds).

He did have a good head for money while mayor, for spending OPM anyway.
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January 28, 2020 8:21am
- igm
  
  Yet another fiscally dyslexic Labour fool in control of taxpayers’ money . . . bet it leads to a financial disaster, like everything else he touches.
  
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  January 28, 2020 8:43am
- Prince
  
  Rainbow website coming up,
  
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  January 28, 2020 8:47am
- Tall Man
  
  If that doesn’t lead to reduction in business then people aren’t reading the “news”.
  
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  January 28, 2020 8:55am
- Ruahine
  
  Back at the trough all is well.
  
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  January 28, 2020 8:57am
- KevO'Brien
  
  ~~Savings Ambassador~~ Salesman.
  
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  January 28, 2020 9:05am
freemark

” Why has Australia failed to date to follow New Zealand’s lead, in forming a broad political consensus to deal with land supply and proper debt financing of infrastructure ?”
Yeah, because NZ Housing affordability is showing huge improvements.
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January 28, 2020 8:22am
G152

Why do the socalled left demand a freedom of speech and then deny it to all others ?
And accuse all others of doing what they do???
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January 28, 2020 8:22am
- JackRabbit
  
  Its called projection.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
  
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  January 28, 2020 1:48pm
Stephieboy2

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A response from a spurious claim yesterday that Climate change isn’t killing people ,

Climate Change Is Already Killing Us

How Our Warmer and Wetter Planet Is Getting Sicker and Deadlier by the Day

By Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus September 23, 2019

CLIMATE ILLS

“ The dangerous health effects of climate change begin with the emissions that cause it. Black carbon, methane, and nitrogen oxides are powerful drivers of global warming, and, along with other air pollutants such as carbon monoxide and ozone, they are responsible for over seven million deaths each year, about one in eight worldwide. The problem extends beyond cities with famously poor air quality, such as New Delhi, Beijing, and São Paulo. Ninety percent of the world’s urban dwellers breathe air containing unsafe pollution levels, according to the World Health Organization (WHO)….”

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/2019-09-23/climate-change-already-killing-us
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January 28, 2020 8:23am
- Andrei
  
  If climate change is killing us how come people are living longer than at any other time in human history stephieboy?
  
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  January 28, 2020 8:47am
  - fernglas
    
    Great logic Andrei. Even though tobacco is killing us, we are living longer, therefore tobacco is not killing us.
    
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    January 28, 2020 10:00am
    - Tall Man
      
      I think you have missed a vital piece of the puzzle there sunshine…… we are still dying!
      
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      January 28, 2020 10:54am
  - Simon Gotlieb
    
    The two aren’t even remotely related, fool.
    
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    January 28, 2020 10:09am
    - Tall Man
      
      I suggest you bring greta up to speed on that little factoid.
      
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      January 28, 2020 10:55am
  - Stephieboy2
    
    Andreis , irrelevant pollution from vehicles and industry and greenhouse kills people !
    
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    January 28, 2020 10:17am
    - freethinker
      
      So you say pollution from vehicles & industry is irrelevant but greenhouses kill people. I am being sarcastic of course perhaps you should brush up on punctuation the read what you say real slow and see if it actually says what you mean – just being helpful SB2.
      
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      January 28, 2020 11:17am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Hey genius, read this:
      
      https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/05/150520193831.htm
      
      and this:
      
      https://www.publichealthpost.org/research/counting-cold-related-deaths-new-york-city/
      
      there are lots more….
      
      Twat
      
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      January 28, 2020 5:54pm
- cmm
  
  Well the “climate change” religion and the policy decisions are certainly killing people.
  
  Increasing power prices and reducing access to energy has killed many people in colder places during winter and hotter places during summer.
  
  Climate change is trotted out as a scapegoat for all sorts of failures that are being caused by other things. Mass starvation in Africa is mainly caused by incompetence and corruption. When farm appropriation goes wrong they don’t blame the poor policies – nope they blame climate change.
  
  Between 2000 and 2010, NIWA tells us the temperature went up 0.01 degrees. Do you have any idea how little that is?
  
  Go to your kitchen. Flick on the electric jug for 10 seconds. That is enough to raise the temperature of the kitchen by more than 0.01 degree.
  
  Did you fall on the ground writhing in pain? Did you starve to death? Probably not.
  
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  January 28, 2020 8:59am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Black carbon, methane, and nitrogen oxides are powerful drivers of global warming,
  
  How does black carbon cause global warming, stephieboy?
  
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  January 28, 2020 9:00am
  - mark15
    
    Evil black carbon
    What next…?
    
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    January 28, 2020 9:07am
    - Tall Man
      
      And it’s racist.
      
      Everybody knows it’s “white” carbon that’s the problem.
      
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      January 28, 2020 9:33am
    - tf78
      
      Diamonds !!!!
      
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      January 28, 2020 11:52am
      - Tall Man
        
        Woo Hoo……. Now, where are they?
        
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        January 28, 2020 5:35pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Don’t tease Maggy SB’s resilience is very low.
    
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    January 28, 2020 9:08am
  - sooty
    
    I thought carbon was black.
    Went to a carbon black factory in Sydney, after a days work, had toh ave a shower, because you were black. Proper hand cleaner in the showers to take it of the body, while checking in the mirror for missed bits then soap and shampo to get rid of the handcleaner. Only showers I have seen with a full length mirror in the shower with you. But then I’m just a poor country lad!
    
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    January 28, 2020 9:12am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Maggy, isn’t it postulated that Carbon Black accumulates on the surface of icepack (such as in Greenland) and increases the absorption of incoming radiation and also reduces the reflection of visible light back into space. Carbon of this type is primarily sourced from coal burning and diesel engines.
    
    CH4 and NOX have broader IR absorption bands than CO2 but are far more transient in the atmosphere as I know you are aware. CH4 production though is primarily from water based agriculture (Rice growing in essence) and from cold and temperate forests – for example the Russian and Canadian boreal forests. Fiordland would be our largest contributor, probably swamping any farm emissions.
    
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    January 28, 2020 9:26am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      @Ed Snack
      
      re black carbon on ice pack… Yes, you are correct.
      
      My question to stephieboy was to garner some reflection on how Black C (soot) went from being the the cause of global cooling during the Nuclear Winter alarms in the 1980s to now being an agent of global warming.
      
      Nuclear winter is a severe and prolonged global climatic cooling effect hypothesized to occur after widespread firestorms following a nuclear war. The hypothesis is based on the fact that such fires can inject soot into the stratosphere, where it can block some direct sunlight from reaching the surface of the Earth. It is speculated that the resulting cooling would lead to widespread crop failure and famine
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_winter
      
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      January 28, 2020 10:33am
      - tf78
        
        Maggy – Doesn’t a volcanic eruption have the same effect.
        
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        January 28, 2020 11:54am
      - cmm
        
        Quite Black carbon is also called soot.
        
        It is visible to us mere mortals so Greta probably cannot see it.
        
        Unless injected way above the troposhere (by, say, volcanic activity), soot is quickly caught up in rain etc and falls to the ground to possibly have local warming consequences.
        
        Soot might have local warming, but it has nothing to do with global warming.
        
        The whole thesis of global warming is that Global Warming Sinners can drive their SUVs in USA causing invisible CO2 to travel all around the world causing heating in, say, Tonga. Soot does not work like that.
        
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        January 28, 2020 2:54pm
    - G152
      
      Until it snows again and several mils of snow cloak the dark stuff.
      Isn’t science a wonderful subject
      
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      January 28, 2020 10:52am
  - Stephieboy2
    
    MW,
    
    “Black carbon is the sooty black material emitted from gas and diesel engines, coal-fired power plants, and other sources that burn fossil fuel. It comprises a significant portion of particulate matter or PM, which is an air pollutant.Feb 20, 2019
    http://www.epa.gov › air-research › black-carbon-research
    Black Carbon Research | Air Research | US EPA
    
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    January 28, 2020 10:18am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I know what black carbon is, stephieboy.
      
      I did pass SC chemistry and wander through the Whanganui Gas works on a 5th form field trip.
      
      My question to you was for you to specifically explain how black carbon causes global warming…..
      
      and I’m especially interested in your answer for back in the 1980s all the top scientists said it was going to cause global cooling.
      
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      January 28, 2020 11:10am
      - chaos
        
        He can only answer what mr google tells him to put.
        
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        January 28, 2020 12:17pm
      - chaos
        
        Hmm still no reply Maggy, he’s posting on other comments, guess mr google told him he doesn’t know what he is talking about
        
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        January 28, 2020 3:52pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @chaos..
        
        So you reckon I should leave a discussion on Brown Carbon (Cbrown) until another day?
        
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        January 28, 2020 5:24pm
      - chaos
        
        I think you should ask him every day until he answers. Or until he can find an answer on google more to the point.
        
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        January 28, 2020 8:17pm
    - cmm
      
      Soot is only emitted in hydrocarbons if there is incomplete combustion. In diesel engines this is most likely to occur during start up or heavy acceleration where there is insufficient oxygen.
      
      Basically hydrocarbons are long chains of C, with H hanging off the sides. The H reacts (burn) off easily, leaving the chains of C to form soot.
      
      Particulate matter: nothing to do with GHG, “global warming” etc.
      
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      January 28, 2020 2:58pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    >”…along with other air pollutants such as carbon monoxide and ozone”
    
    Poor stephie does not realise what ozone actually is or what it does.
    
    Stephie
    How does ozone cause global warming?
    
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    January 28, 2020 3:06pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Carbon – the idiots don’t know the difference between CO2 and C, so they call everything ” Carbon” these days. Willy Soon had a slide of “Carbon Free Sugar”. I do wonder what the chemical formula was….
    
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    January 28, 2020 5:56pm
- marcw
  
  You are conflating air pollution with ‘climate change’. They are not the same. Climate change is a normal function of our earth. Air pollution needs a different solution. Even rural tribal people suffer from air pollution – cooking fires inside dwellings are a major source of lung injury in poorer communities.
  
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  January 28, 2020 9:13am
  - Sydney Alvarado
    
    Indeed. Cooking in India using kerosene, wood, dung, and charcoal cause immense health and environmental problems. People cut down trees to make charcoal. They use kerosene in unventilated spaces. That is why these people need access to electricity.
    
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    January 28, 2020 9:52am
    - Stephieboy2
      
      Climate change is taking its toll on India,
      
      https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/opinion/columns/climate-change-is-taking-its-toll-on-india/article30089680.ece
      
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      January 28, 2020 10:25am
      - alloytoo
        
        Opinion…….
        
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        January 28, 2020 12:17pm
  - Stephieboy2
    
    Climate warming that we expereince to day is climate change.!
    
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    January 28, 2020 10:20am
    - rangitoto
      
      We used to call it summer and winter.
      
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      January 28, 2020 11:02am
      - sooty
        
        Sorry I just reported you, fat fingers!
        It’s also night and day,
        Rain and sunshine!
        
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        January 28, 2020 11:57am
    - JackRabbit
      
      So a few hundred years ago in Europe it was so hot that you could cook a leg of lamb by leaving it out in the sun for an hour; so hot that large rivers dried up; so hot that rats and mice came out of the ground seeking water and created a human plague; so hot that tens of thousands of people died; so hot that in normally mild cities in Europe the needle climbed past 50°C.
      
      Now if the temperature eggs over 30°C it’s climate change?
      
      Have you been siphoning petrol again?!
      
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      January 28, 2020 3:03pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Even if true, this is meaningless unless you offer an alternative. Many countries depend on coal and oil for power, so if they just stopped burning fossil fuels and kept everything else the same, far more people would die.
  
  Sorry but it’s not valid to compare the real world to some little girl’s fantasy where renewable energy is abundant and cheap and baby unicorns frolic playfully in grassy meadows.
  
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  January 28, 2020 9:18am
  - cmm
    
    Not just an alternative, but also an alternative that is going to cause less damage than the “problem” it is solving.
    
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    January 28, 2020 9:28am
  - Sydney Alvarado
    
    Yes exactly. It is frustrating to watch Australians demand that Scomo “do something” about climate change. If by that they mean “reduce Australia’s emissions”, here is what is required:
    
    – massive investment in ending coal fired powered stations in Australia. Natural gas and nuclear are the only viable options. That would mean $100 billion in investment, all recovered by electricity prices. Do they really want that?
    
    – Ending cheap petrol in Australia. They need a petrol excise to increase petrol and diesel by at least $1.50 per litre. (The money raised could pay for gas and nuclear I guess, or put a dent in it.)
    
    Make no mistake that is what is needed. Anything else is just virtue signalling. And what would happen if Scomo did all that? He would lose office.
    
    On climate change what people say they want is not what they actually want. They want to “do something” about emissions until it affects their lifestyle.
    
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    January 28, 2020 9:59am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Yup. If any one tells you you have to do something about global warming or climate change , suggest the following. Dump the phone, sell the car, only wear cotton or wool, kill the electricity, buy nothing that has any part that is plastic….. Usually shuts them up.
      
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      January 28, 2020 5:58pm
- Than
  
  So, given the seriousness of the situation, can I assume you would support an urgent program of world-wide nuclear power plant construction Stephieboy2?
  
  Because wind, solar, and pixie-dust aren’t going to cut it.
  
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  January 28, 2020 9:33am
- alloytoo
  
  Confusing pollution with climate change.
  
  Obfuscation 101.
  
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  January 28, 2020 12:08pm
- JackRabbit
  
  There is your answer in your statement… …New Delhi, Beijing, and São Paulo. And what do China and India have in common? Rapidly expanding populations.
  
  Stop worrying about CO2 and start worrying about people that think having more than one or two children in over populated countries is their right.
  
  It is not the unchecked Co2 emissions that breed so called climate change we need to worry about, its the other kind that breeds too many babies.
  
  It is the number of people that are taxing the planet’s resources.
  
  Save the planet, use a condom.
  
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  January 28, 2020 1:57pm
Simon Gotlieb

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I know the majority will probably write this off due to who owns the website this is posted on, but it makes for interesting reading.

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-whats-warming-the-world/
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January 28, 2020 8:30am
- Tall Man
  
  People who struggle to absorb the facts about climate change should keep posting just like you have done. It helps the rest of us sort out the idiots and avoid them like the plague.
  
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  January 28, 2020 8:57am
- Ruahine
  
  1.4 degrees Fahrenheit since 1880. What the heck is the problem. CO2 is a life giving gas. Just keep the Earth clean.
  Get rid of coal fired power stations. Build Nuclear.
  
  https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/06/90-of-plastic-polluting-our-oceans-comes-from-just-10-rivers/
  
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  January 28, 2020 9:07am
  - cmm
    
    Coal, per se, is not a problem.
    The hassles with burning coal are fourfold – depending mainly on the type of coal being burned and how it is burned.
    1) Biggest single problem by far is sulphur (sulfur for USAians). Some, but not all, coals are high in sulphur. This results in acid rain etc. Suphur is relatively easy to scrub at low costs and this is no longer a serious problem.
    2) Fly ash: basically the crap in the coal that does not burn but instead comes out in the form of sust etc. Some coals (eg. those used in South African power stations) are approx 30% or so fly ash. If these are left to be they cover the area in ashes. Easy cheap solution: electrostatic precipitation.
    3) “Black carbon”: Unburned fuel due to poor combustion. Easy fix: burn it properly with adequate oxygen.
    4) CO2. Planf food.
    
    None of these are really a problem any more.
    
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    January 28, 2020 9:36am
    - freethinker
      
      PFA or Fly Ash was used in certain civil engineering works in the UK so probably not a major issue.
      
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      January 28, 2020 11:25am
      - cmm
        
        Yup, there is a huge international oh-woe-is-me about sand mining for concrete and other construction applications. And of course all the woe-is-me about making portland cement.
        
        While fly ash is not always a good substitute, it can sometimes be used to replace cement and sand. This can be a wonderful way to actually recycle it.
        
        I say “can” because not all fly ashes are the same.
        
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        January 28, 2020 12:30pm
      - Nermal
        
        Section of SH1 at Mercer is built on fly ash.
        
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        January 28, 2020 2:45pm
      - sooty
        
        But that will leach into the Waikato river!
        
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        January 28, 2020 3:21pm
      - cmm
        
        sooty: “leach into the Waikato river”
        
        Are you just peddling the urine?
        
        It depends on the fly ash.
        
        Fly ash from coal is mostly silica and other rock minerals. It is mainly inert and will no more leach into a river than sand or ground up sea shells would.
        
        Fly ash retrieved from burning biomass (you remember, the sustainable stuff) is a different matter. This often has soluble salts such as lye etc which which can cause merry hell with a river’s ecosystem.
        
        Thankfully it is the former that is used for construction – not the latter.
        
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        January 28, 2020 4:41pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    Greenies resist technology progress. They won’t stop until everyone are reduced to a peasant lifestyle.
    
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    January 28, 2020 1:58pm
- David George
  
  Sorry Simon, you can’t draw a cause from a correlation.
  We have good climate climate reconstructions going back millions of years showing no temperature rise due to rising CO2.
  
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  January 28, 2020 9:07am
  - Ed Snack
    
    David, then why in historical records does the CO2 concentrations lag the temperature changes ?
    
    And “good” climate reconstructions is very much an interpretation with the strongest predictor for climate being orbital dynamics, not atmospheric concentrations of trace gases.
    
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    January 28, 2020 9:28am
    - JackRabbit
      
      Agreed.
      
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      January 28, 2020 1:59pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      CO2 lags temperature because as the oceans heat up due to increased energy input, (probably a combination of Milankovitch, and Cloudiness variations) they release CO2 into the atmosphere. The atmosphere does not heat the ocean. Only the sun does that.
      
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      January 28, 2020 6:04pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    “We have good climate climate reconstructions going back millions of years”
    
    – what the actual?
    
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    January 28, 2020 9:29am
    - Simon Gotlieb
      
      Careful Englebert. Folks round here don’t like dissenters… 😉
      
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      January 28, 2020 10:11am
  - cmm
    
    “We have good climate climate reconstructions”
    
    Remember the “hockey stick” and the “hide the decline” controversy?
    
    The “decline” that had to be hidden was that the tree ring model did not match reality.
    
    The actual “hockey stick” was caused by a switch from tree ring data to thermometer data (+ fudging).
    
    It is only valid to combine data sets if there are incredibly strong grounds to believe they are compatible.
    
    A million year “record” that is spliced together from ice cores, fossil records, tree rings, ground-based thermometers and satellite data is many things, but it is certainly dodgy science.
    
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    January 28, 2020 10:15am
    - Stephieboy2
      
      “The actual “hockey stick” was caused by a switch from tree ring data to thermometer data (+ fudging).”
      
      Source?
      
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      January 28, 2020 2:59pm
      - rightoverlabour
        
        You can’t be serious….
        
        https://principia-scientific.org/michael-mann-hockey-stick-update-now-definitively-established-to-be-fraud/
        
        There is lots more on youtube. Google Michael mann Fraud… there are lots of hits…
        
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        January 28, 2020 6:09pm
  - Tall Man
    
    I think they missed the fact that your tongue was firmly placed in your cheek.
    
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    January 28, 2020 10:17am
  - freethinker
    
    Historical temperature variations before humans were numerous can largely be correlated to the suns varying output.
    
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    January 28, 2020 11:27am
    - Stephieboy2
      
      freethinker, source?
      
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      January 28, 2020 2:59pm
- Chris2
  
  Where do the 1880 figures come from? Who knew about and could globally record green house gases in the 1880’s ? These writers are making this stuff up.
  
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  January 28, 2020 9:47am
  - Sydney Alvarado
    
    The historical data is reliable. The CO2 measurents come from ice cores in Antarctica.
    
    https://isolab.ess.washington.edu/data/taylor/data/
    
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    January 28, 2020 10:08am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      ice cores are subject to slow diffusion of chemicals, gases and species over long periods – meaning you lose time resolution and can no longer spot periods of rapid change – leading to people claiming that rapid changes in recent times are ‘unprecedented’
      
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      January 28, 2020 1:43pm
Inandout

‘Oh, the grand old Duke of York
He had ten thousand women
He flew them to the Epstein island
And he flew them back again’.
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January 28, 2020 8:32am
- Simon Gotlieb
  
  The grand old Duke of York
  he had ten thousand men
  He also had some underage girls
  but he can’t remember them.
  
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  January 28, 2020 8:58am
  - Ed Snack
    
    +1 for Simon, scans better
    
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    January 28, 2020 9:29am
    - Simon Gotlieb
      
      Wish I could claim it as mine; alas someone far wittier than I created that first.
      
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      January 28, 2020 10:12am
  - Tall Man
    
    Come on mods, wtf was wrong with the post you have deleted?
    
    [Mod: Read the Comments Policy TM, especially the section “What is the easiest way to get banned? The post deleted was really just an unwarranted way to include the blog host in a comment.]
    
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    January 28, 2020 10:15am
    - Tall Man
      
      Again, thanks for the explanation and as expected I don’t see it your way and I doubt many would.
      
      Someone alluding to a potential nasty crime by a member of the royal family when there are no charges on the table and not likely to be would seem potentially a more concerning issue than me calling ardern untruthful. However, we all get to choose how we look at things I suppose.
      
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      January 28, 2020 11:45am
- mikenmildagain
  
  The duke must be very grateful to his nephew for taking the spotlight off him. Stands to reason though: one royal accused of sexual assaults is obviously less newsworthy than another royal wanting to leave the job.
  
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  January 28, 2020 9:00am
  - Tall Man
    
    Again mikey you choose the low road.
    
    I suppose martin will be along shortly to advise that there is no such thing as “sexual assault” as all women are “up for it” but I suppose it depends on the perpetrator’s political affiliations. Mind you, Charlie and Harry are so woke Andy must be a lefty eh?
    
    Can a bloke sexually assault a young woman if she is a willing participant? Might need Mr Garrett onto that one.
    
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    January 28, 2020 9:25am
    - fernglas
      
      “Can a bloke sexually assault a young woman if she is a willing participant? Might need Mr Garrett onto that one.”
      He can if she is below the age of consent. That seems to be one of the problems with the allegations against Andrew.
      
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      January 28, 2020 10:04am
      - Tall Man
        
        “Allegations”… doesn’t “consent” make it NOT an assault? Mr Garrett, this is your territory I think.
        
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        January 28, 2020 10:58am
      - Paulus
        
        Isn’t the allegation that she was underage in Texas – but not elsewhere in the USA.
        She is now very rich as many leading men in the USA and France have already paid up to shut her up I understand.
        The Lawyers are on a large cut remember of ????
        
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        January 28, 2020 1:45pm
    - cmm
      
      “Can a bloke sexually assault a young woman if she is a willing participant”
      
      It seems these days a woman can withdraw her consent after the matter if she did not get the satisfaction she was after.
      
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      January 28, 2020 12:34pm
Andrei

No it didn’t make for interesting reading Simon Gotlieb.

It is just the same old garbage repackaged in fancy HTML.

This is colloqually known as “putting lipstick on a pig”
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January 28, 2020 8:41am
- Simon Gotlieb
  
  Lipstick or not, the pig is still in a warming world.
  
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  January 28, 2020 10:13am
Maggie Pie

Until she blocked him, my partners mum considered Trevor to be a bit of a… ‘Twitter Pest’
He would often tweet out in either his capacity as ‘Speaker’, or more often than not, just as plain old ‘Trev’ 🙁

https://twitter.com/SpeakerTrevor/photo
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January 28, 2020 8:45am
- cmm
  
  SpeakerTrevor?? FFS!
  
  I always think it knob-headed to use the false modesty of combining a title (to remind you who he is) and a first name (for informality).
  
  Trying to get the best of both worlds.
  
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  January 28, 2020 9:38am
MCos

Why has this particular coronavirus suddenly popped up in China and scared the shit out of a lot of people?
We all know it was transmitted from some wild bat or a snake or whatever in a market in China, but people have been eating that stuff forever.
When you’re on the bones of your bum you’ll eat just about anything.
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January 28, 2020 8:55am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  Level 4 bioweapons research unit opened in Wuhan recently…
  
  “…In 2017, as the opening of the (Wuhan) lab approached, scientists told the publication ‘Nature’ of their worries that one of those killer viruses could ‘escape’ and go on to infect members of the public. Tim Trevan, a Maryland biosafety consultant, said he had fears China’s culture could make the institute unsafe because ‘structures where everyone feels free to speak up and openness of information are important’. The Wuhan laboratory was the first in China designed to meet biosafetey-level-4 (BSL-4) standards – the highest biohazard level (Picture: Wuhan Institute of Virology) The SARS virus – which between 2002 and 2004 infected 8,098 people and killed 774 – had infact ‘escaped’ multiple times from a lab in Beijing prior to Wuhan’s lab opening, according to the Nature article. China installed the first of a planned five to seven biolabs designed for maximum safety in Wuhan in 2017, for the purpose of studying the most high-risk pathogens, like SARS.
  
  Read more: metro.co.uk/2020/01/24/us-warned-virus-escape-lab-near-coronavirus-epicentre-12114591/?ito=cbshare
  
  …and for us paranoiacs; the lab location is a brief bicycle ride from the wet market the Chinese authorities were oh-so-quick to identify as The Origin.
  
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  January 28, 2020 9:31am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  apparently there is a bioweapons lab a few km from the market it originated in. Someone screwed up?
  
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  January 28, 2020 9:39am
  - sooty
    
    Didn’t wash their hands when they left work!
    
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    January 28, 2020 12:08pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    It wouldn’t be the first time or the last, that the unsuspecting public are used as test subjects. All it requires is a cynical outlook that treats people as numbers, not human beings.
    
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    January 28, 2020 2:04pm
- kevn
  
  @MCos… That was the case 50 years ago under Mao. Eat anything or starve.
  Now the odd ‘food’ is seen as trendy in China. Even tourists get keen to try a scorpion or other the stuff.
  
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  January 28, 2020 10:09am
- Tall Man
  
  [Mod: “I know you are thinking about insects” had no particular reference to the posters comment (and even less to Thailand etc). Deleted for being off topic, even General debate]
  
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  January 28, 2020 10:45am
  - Tall Man
    
    “When you are on the bones of your bum you will eat just about anything”.
    
    I think my comment was very relevant especially linking Thailand where insects are a delicacy and I thought MCos would have had a chuckle.
    
    Thanks for the explanation though and I will expect to see far less of steffy’s posts from now on. Often the only relevance to the topic is that she uses a form of English.
    
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    January 28, 2020 11:39am
  - Tall Man
    
    Are you now prepared to concede that in this instance you got it wrong, especially after MCos’s followup comment?
    
    [Mod: no, and I can’t be bothered following up on whatever McCos replied – talk to him/her on Facebook if you must. Other people would like us to get their comments posted, not argue with you]
    
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    January 28, 2020 5:39pm
Rich Prick

It’s that time of year again, back to school poverty stories. Nothing new to report, just the feckless who can’t plan ahead having a moan.
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January 28, 2020 9:01am
- lofty
  
  Plus adding about 35 minutes to my daily commute….
  
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  January 28, 2020 9:34am
- chaos
  
  No, some of these stories need attention. For example, the school suggesting a $1300 laptop for students.
  
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  January 28, 2020 9:51am
  - cmm
    
    That’s when they should have a wee discussion on the school’s FB page and someone who knows what a laptop is and what they cost (ie. probably not a union member) should point out that a $500 (new) laptop will do everything a kid requires. $100 if they get it second hand.
    
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    January 28, 2020 10:08am
    - chaos
      
      Yeah, it’s stupid. Obviously who ever is suggesting these has no clue or other motives
      
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      January 28, 2020 10:18am
mikenmildagain

Happy Data Privacy Day!
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January 28, 2020 9:06am
- rangitoto
  
  Just as well wireguard is in net-next, ready to be merged into the linux 5.6 mainline kernel. The git merge window for 5.6 opens today.
  
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  January 28, 2020 10:43am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Upticked, although not understood.
    
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    January 28, 2020 11:12am
    - rangitoto
      
      https://www.wireguard.com/
      
      Linus Torvald’s wrote in response to the original review request:
      
      “Can I just once again state my love for it and hope it gets merged soon? Maybe the code isn’t perfect, but I’ve skimmed it, and compared to the horrors that are OpenVPN and IPSec, it’s a work of art.”
      
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      January 28, 2020 11:22am
Bill felt

“they’re going to need to be doing a great deal more than just another snappy headline from the queen of glib phrases.” Hosking
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January 28, 2020 9:06am
tedbear

David Garrett, I posted the following late yesterday and not sure if you saw it –
Would it be fair to say under current caselaw, the decision by the current govt to hand a piece of private land to one of the partners of the TOW/founding Document contravenes
https://waitangitribunal.govt.nz/applications/memorialised-land-section-27b/ ?
Just interested.
I can find no evidence that Ihumatao was ever owned by a state-owned enterprise.
cheers
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January 28, 2020 9:13am
- fernglas
  
  That section is, as you note, irrelevant as the land has never been owned by an SOE. It was private land purchased by Fletchers. It seems as though Fletchers has now agreed to sell it to Auckland Council, who will fund the purchase through a grant of $45 million from the taxpayer. It will then become some type of reserve. As a non-resident of Auckland I like that about as much as funding the public transport of that particular shithole, but the distinction between Auckland and the rest of the country has become somewhat blurred since our PM and Deputy both live there
  
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  January 28, 2020 10:10am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  David Garrett does not appear on KB every day.
  
  It is school holidays.. and he has kids…and he might have other things to do.
  
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  January 28, 2020 11:47am
  - tedbear
    
    Thanks Maggy, I’ll save it and watch out for him.
    
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    January 28, 2020 12:46pm
Andrei

Dear moderators;

Why do my comments remain in moderation long after later comments are released.

I have been commenting on this blog almost since its begininning and in all that time never once attracted a sanction – so why do my comments sit in moderation so long?
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January 28, 2020 9:19am
- cmm
  
  Andrei
  
  email DPF and ask to be auto approved.
  
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  January 28, 2020 9:40am
  - krazykiwi
    
    I’ve tried that. Crickets
    
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    January 28, 2020 11:37am
- chaos
  
  Maybe try bribing them. I’m sure they can tell you what they want. For example Maggie you just have to give her a box of kk a day, even though she isn’t a moderator it stops her bogwashing you.
  
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  January 28, 2020 10:15am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    When i was at boarding school we used to call it a ‘swirlie’ 😛
    
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    January 28, 2020 11:23am
    - chaos
      
      What do you mean at boarding school, do you not still do it to new nurses and annoying patients?
      
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      January 28, 2020 12:15pm
- Simon Gotlieb
  
  or you could use your full real name and be instantly posted…
  
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  January 28, 2020 10:16am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I still had to email DPF with my full contact details and ask permission to be auto-approved.
    
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    January 28, 2020 10:38am
    - Simon Gotlieb
      
      Possibly it helped that David and I now each other…
      
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      January 28, 2020 3:31pm
- krazykiwi
  
  My understanding is that the moderation queue lists in most recent first. If the mod gets through some, but not yours before shuffling off to do some tax-paying work, then subsequent posts are added above yours, and ya gotta wait until one mod gets far enough through to approve yours.
  
  [Mod: Not quite correct – today there was a high frequency of comments while mods were busy doing other things, like getting breakfast, having a life etc. Sorry, there will always be the occasional traffic jam.]
  
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  January 28, 2020 11:40am
Fletch

If there’s no danger from the Chinese visiting our shores, then I want to see Jacinda and little Neve greeting new arrivals from Wutan in person, just to put us all at ease…
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January 28, 2020 9:26am
- NoCash
  
  Luckily we don’t need to wait for Cindy to action, the Chinese govt have already banned people in Wuhan from leaving the city, Kiwi expats living there included.
  
  Now, are we going to evacuate NZ citizens stuck there?
  
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  January 28, 2020 10:28am
  - Tall Man
    
    And should we?
    
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    January 28, 2020 10:59am
  - chaos
    
    And that means anything? People are still leaving the area, some have even posted online how they left and that they were infected.
    
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    January 28, 2020 11:22am
    - NoCash
      
      I doubt those online posts, after all with the reported massive surveillance in China, who would be so stupid to tell everyone online that they have escaped the lockdown with the virus.
      
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      January 28, 2020 11:44am
      - chaos
        
        I don’t, because the people are showing their document that they are infected and showing with video or photos how to get out.. people are covering their I’d very well to remain anon since the arrest of the people who originally spoke online about this virus while the govt were still trying to cover it up.
        
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        January 28, 2020 12:14pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    ” the Chinese govt have already banned people in Wuhan from leaving the city”
    
    ….aaaand 5 million people left Wuhan before the lockdown. Just sayin’.
    
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    January 28, 2020 11:32am
    - NoCash
      
      Yup, and there’s also a nationwide ban of all group tours both within China and going overseas.
      
      Sure, there still are many individual travellers from China going overseas but also foreigners who have visited China recently, Kiwis included, are we going to close our borders to them as well?
      
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      January 28, 2020 11:55am
      - chaos
        
        Lol, you believe what China tells you
        
        The airports are closed and no one is allowed to travel right, ah no
        
        https://www.wuhan-airport.com/departures.php
        
        Never ever believe a thing the Chinese govt says, they are the biggest liars on this planet
        
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        January 28, 2020 12:35pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        a ban on travel in China would only apply to the little people, rich and connected will be able to travel.
        
        Flights could be cargo.
        
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        January 28, 2020 1:48pm
      - NoCash
        
        @chaos – the airport website is interesting as there’s no movement shown on flightrader24.com at Wuhan airport.
        
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        January 28, 2020 2:27pm
  - hmmm82
    
    CCP condemns local (Wuhan) authorities for not acting quickly enough to contain virus.
    Put it on the other foot. NZ Govt. condemns ACC for allowing citizens to leave Auckland. ACC puts up roadblocks on southern motorway 24 hours to late to stop 200,000 people driving and flying south and potentially spreading the virus to Hamilton, Taupo, and on. Fortunately the national Govt. steps in and stops all road, rail, and air transport south on a latitude equal to Tongariro. Ardern saves NZ from deadly outbreak.
    Supermarkets empty. Petrol $40/l. Auckland mission pleading for food.
    
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    January 28, 2020 7:48pm
- cha
  
  Human shields, huh.
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  January 28, 2020 2:23pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQs57sMqyEo
NPC University.
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January 28, 2020 9:32am
- marcw
  
  Curry, you might get a better hit rate if instead of randomly pasteing utube links, that you actually took a few moments to inform us busy people why we should click on them. This particular one is actually quite good, but I only clicked on it out of mild curiosity to see what NPC was. Some of the comments are classic – “Santa’s not real. If you want free stuff then you have to ask the government.”
  
  PS. NPC = Not PC
  
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  January 28, 2020 10:29am
  - hullkiwi
    
    marcw, and there was me thing NPC was National Provincial Championship ?
    
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    January 28, 2020 12:26pm
  - Two fish and a scoop thanks Cindy
    
    Good to know.
    NPC usually refers to Non-Playable Character
    
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    January 28, 2020 1:11pm
  - curry4me
    
    OK, I’ll do that next time.
    
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    January 28, 2020 3:07pm
trout

I have just listened to a brilliant exposition by Judge Ken Starr of the significance of ‘impeachment’ in American political history. (At the impeachment ‘trial’). Worth a listen
He concludes that the Articles presented at this trial do not meet the constitutional requirements; no crime, not bipartisan, and not properly adjudicated in Congress.
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January 28, 2020 9:33am
- Rich Prick
  
  So just a monumental fuck up by the Dems then? Nothing new there, and I expect they will pay the price in November.
  
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  January 28, 2020 10:18am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Why? A majority in polls supports the president’s removal.
    
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    January 28, 2020 10:36am
    - Batman
      
      Because clearly the electorate appreciates the genius strategy of stonewalling Congress on an unprecedented scale, and then using that to say “they’re got nothing! Therefore it doesn’t meet this standard I have created!”
      
      Cynical in the extreme. One can almost admire it.
      
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      January 28, 2020 1:24pm
    - Paulus
      
      You mean that the % put forward by Washington Post and the NYT are what they say that people want.
      
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      January 28, 2020 1:50pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        No.
        https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-the-latest-polling-on-trumps-removal-does-and-doesnt-mean/
        
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        January 28, 2020 3:04pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Ken Starr – hypocrite exhibit No 1: lying about a blow job is impeachable; suborning a foreign government to target a political rival is not.
  
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  January 28, 2020 10:33am
  - trout
    
    Perjury happens to be a crime. A Presidential request for corruption to be investigated before funds are handed over is his prerogative.
    
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    January 28, 2020 12:23pm
    - Batman
      
      I think you mean “foreign interference in a domestic election based on a debunked conspiracy theory”
      
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      January 28, 2020 1:25pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  What else would you expect?
  The Dems like most lefties see all the fault in others but miss the logs in their own eyes.
  The House hearings were reminiscent of the Star Chamber–whatever we say he’s guilty of we will execute him for. Our word is sufficient. Protest only shows up hidden guilt.
  
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  January 28, 2020 11:40am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    The senate process will be much clearer – a vote to hear no witnesses followed by a vote for acquittal.
    
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    January 28, 2020 12:18pm
    - Two fish and a scoop thanks Cindy
      
      And based on the evidence and narrative the Managers have presented, that would be entirely correct, reasonable and above board.
      
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      January 28, 2020 1:13pm
  - Batman
    
    Kev – “they don’t have any of the material, we’ve got all the material”
    
    Yes, and that’s impeachment Article 2.
    
    At least the House had witnesses, unlike the coward McConnell haha
    
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    January 28, 2020 1:27pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      What witnesses? They held secret hearings and didn’t let Dem members attend. That behaviour went out with the Magna Carta. If any are “lawyers” they should be disbarred.
      
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      January 28, 2020 4:37pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        You seem confused. The House committees had members from both parties present throughout and heard form multiple witnesses.
        
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        January 28, 2020 4:47pm
curry4me

https://pjmedia.com/trending/impeachment-end-game-in-sight-as-gop-senators-plan-for-acquittal-after-witness-vote/
It looks like the GOP has a clue when it comes to the shampeachment saga
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January 28, 2020 9:33am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc4y6Z5hc24
Not all super heroes have a cape. For example, there’s this Chinese lawyer.
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January 28, 2020 9:35am
Maggie Pie

You know it’s hot outside when you go outside and it’s hot.

Just saying.
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January 28, 2020 9:50am
- chaos
  
  I just went outside, it’s cold and foggy. Oh good I thought I put froggy. I can confirm Kermit is not here
  
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  January 28, 2020 10:14am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  You know it’s pleasantly perfect outside when you go outside and you live in Wellington.
  
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  January 28, 2020 10:56am
Hugh Pavletich

China coronavirus: Hong Kong medical experts call for ‘draconian’ measures in city as research estimates there are already 44,000 cases in Wuhan … South China Morning Post

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3047813/china-coronavirus-hong-kong-medical-experts-call

• HKU’s faculty of medicine dean Gabriel Leung says research shows self-sustaining human-to-human transmission is already happening in all major mainland cities

• He called for measures to limit people’s movement, school closures, work-from-home arrangements and cancellation of mass gatherings
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January 28, 2020 9:51am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Coronavirus: 81 dead as Chinese government ramps up propaganda … SkyNews
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQ6icRs2fEE
  
  The Chinese premier has visited the centre of the coronavirus outbreak to “inspect and direct” efforts as authorities face accusations of not responding in time.
  
  Meanwhile the mayor of Wuhan has acknowledged criticism over his handling of the crisis, admitting that information was not released quickly enough.
  
  Sky’s Asia correspondent Tom Cheshire reports.
  
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  January 28, 2020 10:26am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Travel insurers may not pay out for passengers caught by coronavirus … Amanda Cropp … Stuff New Zealand
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/119087008/travel-insurers-may-not-pay-out-for-passengers-caught-by-coronavirus?cid=app-iPad
    
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    January 28, 2020 5:12pm
chaos

* At 02:00 on January 26, 30 provinces (autonomous regions and municipalities) reported 769 new confirmed cases, 137 severe cases, 24 new deaths (24 cases in Hubei Province), and newly cured discharged cases. 2 cases, 3806 suspected cases were newly added.

As of 24:00 on January 26, the National Health and Health Commission had received a total of 2,744 confirmed cases in 30 provinces (autonomous regions and municipalities), 461 cases of severe cases, 80 cases of deaths, and 51 cases of hospitalization. There are 5794 suspected cases.
At present, 32,799 close contacts have been traced, 583 people were released from medical observation on the same day, and 30,453 people are currently receiving medical observation.

A total of confirmed cases were reported from Hong Kong, Macao and Taiwan: 8 cases from Hong Kong Special Administrative Region, 5 cases from Macao Special Administrative Region, and 4 cases from Taiwan.

In addition, accumulative confirmed cases were reported from abroad: 7 in Thailand, 3 in Japan, 3 in South Korea, 3 in the United States, 2 in Vietnam, 4 in Singapore, 3 in Malaysia, 1 in Nepal, 3 in France, and 4 in Australia.*

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=http://www.chinacdc.cn/jkzt/crb/zl/szkb_11803/jszl_11809/202001/t20200127_211470.html&prev=search
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January 28, 2020 10:05am
Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes

What a strange country we live in. I wake up this morning and think I would almost vote for Shane Jones after his Pania Newton comment – if only he had the backbone to back up his words about this bribe and abuse of land rights…….still time for Daivd Seymour to be outraged !
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January 28, 2020 10:10am
- Tall Man
  
  Seems to be all that a politician delivers these days, words and outrage.
  
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  January 28, 2020 10:38am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Shane is a gardener at heart
  
  First he calls Pania a young putiputi.…(flower)
  
  Then he describes the complainers as namunamu – Geranium molle, dove’s foot geranium.
  
  Now who could possibly be offended by such choice descriptors?
  
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  January 28, 2020 11:02am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Namu=mosquito (Polynesia).
    Namunamu plural form, real irritants?
    
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    January 28, 2020 11:34am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Yep, that’s how I read it.
      
      Geranium molle is an introduced weed and it’s Maori name may have come about since it’s arrival
      (probably early 19thC…as first collected specimen from NZ is dated at 1852).
      
      There are a few native Geraniums , perhaps they were known as namunamu, but they are not weed problems.
      
      As an aside – namu 나무 is tree in Korean
      
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      January 28, 2020 12:03pm
Gravelroad

Random question:
Has anybody else been subjected to a 2deg “customer loyalty” pop up scam that appears on Stuff and other news websites?
I am not a customer of 2deg and never have been, but it goes like this:
You open a Stuff story and a 2dg “survey” pops up saying I am one of 100 customers selected to answer a few questions and maybe get a big prize.
It won’t go back or close.
It advises that the survey will go on for five minutes.
The only way to get out of it is to shut down Stuff and start again.
Has been going on for last 4 days.
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January 28, 2020 10:16am
- chaos
  
  Use an Adblock, unblock is good, works on Firefox, chrome and Microsoft edge.
  
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  January 28, 2020 10:46am
  - chaos
    
    Ublock, stupid autocorrect
    
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    January 28, 2020 11:55am
- Two fish and a scoop thanks Cindy
  
  Or, use Brave browser.
  
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  January 28, 2020 1:35pm
- RiP NZ
  
  Shutting down Stuff – both the answer to your survey predicament, and a better life.
  
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  January 28, 2020 2:08pm
secondcumming

1ZB’s Kerre McIvor asks……”If our *Public Transport* system operated as well as it does in London, why wouldn’t you use it?”

It’s because of the other people that DO… for fuck sake! 😎
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January 28, 2020 10:20am
- MCos
  
  You talking about me?
  
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  January 28, 2020 2:12pm
chaos

Anyone using avast?

* The popular antivirus program Avast has been selling users data to giant companies like Google, Home Depot, Microsoft and Pepsi, a joint investigation by Motherboard and PCMag found. Avast reportedly scraped data from its antivirus software and handed it off to its subsidiary Jumpshot, which repackaged the data and sold it, sometimes for millions of dollars. While Avast required users to opt-in to this data sharing, the investigation found that many were unaware that Jumpshot was selling their data.*

https://www.engadget.com/2020/01/27/avast-jumpshot-selling-user-data/
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January 28, 2020 10:21am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Scrapped it ages ago.
  Best freebie at present: Bit Defender std.
  
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  January 28, 2020 11:32am
  - chaos
    
    I dumped it years ago as well, have only been using windows defender since. Only product of there’s I occasionally use now is crap cleaner
    
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    January 28, 2020 11:47am
    - Tall Man
      
      Does it automatically delete these
      
      https://www.reuters.com/article/us-newzealand-politics-ardern-idUSKBN1WU0H0
      
      and replace it with this
      
      https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/delivery-1.png
      
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      January 28, 2020 1:55pm
- JackRabbit
  
  If something is free, the users are the product.
  
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  January 28, 2020 3:18pm
  - Tall Man
    
    That’s very deep 🙂
    
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    January 28, 2020 5:45pm
  - Inandout
    
    JR, that is why I have stuck with Norton. I can’t recall ever having a Norton scam email.
    
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    January 28, 2020 6:01pm
Stephieboy2

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Is not wonder when you think about it that this guy is facing impeachment charges ,

Trump: I Could Murder and Not Lose Votes

WTF

While bragging about his standing in the national polls, Donald Trump told supporters Saturday at a campaign rally that he could shoot someone and he would still be on top. “I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters,” Trump said. The Republican presidential candidate declined to elaborate when a CNN reporter later asked about his comment.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2016/01/23/trump-i-could-murder-and-not-lose-votes
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January 28, 2020 10:28am
- Rich Prick
  
  Joke: noun~
  something that is amusing or ridiculous, especially because of being ludicrously inadequate or a sham; a thing, or situation laughed at rather than be taken seriously.
  
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  January 28, 2020 11:04am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Just joking…
    
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    January 28, 2020 11:08am
- cmm
  
  hyperbole
  
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  January 28, 2020 11:12am
- Prince
  
  Similarly, I understand our Prime Minister threatened to desert her child at Ratana over her behaviour.
  I’m shocked no reporter picked this up and questioned her further. Pity CNN was no there. Shocking example to parents. We expect better.
  
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  January 28, 2020 11:38am
  - Tall Man
    
    You expect better … why?
    
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    January 28, 2020 1:47pm
tedbear

James Shaw should take the lead from fellow Green Luc Ferrandez who tweeted: “Wuhan. No automobile traffic. No air flights. The only city on the planet that will meet its GHG reduction targets.”
https://www.thepostmillennial.com/quebec-politician-praises-coronavirus-for-reducing-carbon-footprint-in-wuhan/
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January 28, 2020 10:55am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  We should send the green caucus to Wuhan to investigate their transformative approach to decarbonisation.
  
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  January 28, 2020 1:30pm
Aunty

Aunty’s Survival Bunker-keeping Tip Of The Day For The Proud housewife.

Tuesday:- In the age of the plague – and how to keep the surfaces of your bunker sterile and safe for your precious family.

Use a flame thrower.
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January 28, 2020 11:22am
- chaos
  
  Oh what a good idea, it also helps to keep people out of your bunker and if they are clean, cook them as extra meat.
  
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  January 28, 2020 11:27am
Tony Stuart

Here we go; the first possible case of coronavirus in New Zealand, and our health authorities heard about it “through the grapevine”:

New Zealand health authorities are following up reports of a person with coronavirus in Queenstown.

The novel coronavirus, known as 2019-nCoV, has infected 2800 people and killed at least 80 in China. The outbreak is believed to have emerged late last year from illegally traded wildlife at an animal market in Wuhan, Hubei.

A small number of cases linked to people who travelled from Wuhan have been confirmed in more than 10 countries, including Australia, Thailand, France, Japan and the United States where authorities said they had 110 people under investigation in 26 states.

Director-General of Health Ashley Bloomfield told Morning Report local health authorities are following up reports of a person with coronavirus in Queenstown.

The Ministry of Health had heard “through the grapevine” about the case but there was no confirmation.

Dr Bloomfield said a throat swab could be taken and sent to Melbourne for testing if deemed necessary by health professionals.

The Government, and in particular the Minister of Health and his Associate Ministers have been asleep at the wheel.

Given the virus can be transmitted during its incubation period, i.e. before symptoms become apparent, it is highly probable there have been multiple incursions into New Zealand. Is it wrong to expect the Government to be showing a little more urgency?
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January 28, 2020 11:31am
- chaos
  
  I thought they had said the Queenstown one was just a rumour and nothing to it? I did see they are waiting for results from tests for one person sent to Aussie to be done because New Zealand won’t be able to do the test for a few more days, pathetic.
  
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  January 28, 2020 11:37am
- rangitoto
  
  Don’t worry. The CoL will set up a working group to report back next year.
  
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  January 28, 2020 11:41am
  - sooty
    
    How many of the 250 working group have reported back yet and left the building or are they been recycled!
    A lefty stopping sucking on the tit, not likely!
    
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    January 28, 2020 12:21pm
    - chaos
      
      1, the working group that reported on when working groups should report back, apparently the answer is when they have all made enough money doing nothing
      
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      January 28, 2020 2:15pm
      - sooty
        
        Going tob e interesting to see all the backstabbing when their contract runs out!
        I reckon the lesbians will win most of the few jobs!
        
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        January 28, 2020 3:16pm
- tf78
  
  I see Australia are taking it very seriously – why aren’t we.
  
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  January 28, 2020 12:14pm
  - Stephieboy2
    
    But we are !
    
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    January 28, 2020 1:27pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Oh really stephie? Check this out; a classic example of a Minister who is so far from being on top of his portfolio it is actually frightening!
      
      https://twitter.com/NZNationalParty/status/1221928462010572805
      
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      January 28, 2020 2:51pm
      - Stephieboy2
        
        Tony Sturat , the National Party Dept of Propoganda and public enlightenment as well a cheap shots!
        
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        January 28, 2020 3:05pm
      - chaos
        
        Actually no stephiewhatever, that video is pointing out exactly what your beloved health minister is saying.
        
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        January 28, 2020 4:27pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Because ardern’s “inchewishin” has told her that a hug will fix it.
    
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    January 28, 2020 1:46pm
  - chaos
    
    Because Stephie is advising the health department, we’re all fucked
    
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    January 28, 2020 2:16pm
- Stephieboy2
  
  Tony Stuart, evidently not. The five-star hotel owners quash unfounded rumours,
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12303777!
  
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  January 28, 2020 1:24pm
Maggie Pie

I’m with the kid on this one LOL!! 😛

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1221922465661607936
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January 28, 2020 11:32am
- chaos
  
  Yeah I had a laugh at that too, wondered where the kid came up with it
  
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  January 28, 2020 11:54am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Could have had a school holiday job at my partners business 😀
    
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    January 28, 2020 12:11pm
    - chaos
      
      Hmmm, does your partner fly planes for rich weirdos?
      
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      January 28, 2020 1:26pm
chaos

Haha, not bad, not great, but great fun

* Despite starring in an air force rock video that has clocked up almost a million views online, Tim Costley hopes his legacy lies not in music but in politics.

Costley, a former aide to Prince William, is National’s candidate for Ōtaki.

The turn to politics comes after a 20-year career in the Air Force and follows an announcement last year that current National MP for Ōtaki, former Minister of Primary Industries Nathan Guy, would not be seeking reelection.*

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/01/tim-costley-goes-from-air-force-rocker-to-national-candidate-for-taki.html
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January 28, 2020 11:34am
- sooty
  
  At least he was not aide to Andy!
  
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  January 28, 2020 3:12pm
Michael NZ

This puts the Australian Fires in Perspective.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/01/what_caused_the_australian_fires_global_warming_obstruction_of_fire_prevention_burns_arson.html
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January 28, 2020 11:36am
- Tall Man
  
  Pffft, logic … who needs it? greta can “see” the problem so you better get on board buddy 😉
  
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  January 28, 2020 1:44pm
- MCos
  
  The writer of that piece compares the current (continuing) Australian fire season to a couple of previous editions; 1974, which was vastly bigger and 2009, which caused far more deaths.
  This NZH article is a bit more balanced.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12298682
  
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  January 28, 2020 2:21pm
  - Stephieboy2
    
    The 2019 -20 bushfires season is the definitely the worst in scale and ferciousness ,
    
    How the 2019 Australian bushfire season compares to other fire disasters
    The massive scale of the current bushfire crisis has shocked Australians but there’s another reason why these fires are different!
    
    https://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/how-the-2019-australian-bushfire-season-compares-to-other-fire-disasters/news-story/7924ce9c58b5d2f435d0ed73ffe34174
    
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    January 28, 2020 3:15pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  This even more so:
  http://joannenova.com.au/2020/01/off-the-charts-current-fires-are-20-times-more-intense-than-the-largest-fires-humans-can-control/
  
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  January 28, 2020 4:46pm
rangitoto

Too white, too male, too western.

https://reason.com/2020/01/27/yale-university-art-department-western-white-male-problematic/?amp&__twitter_impression=true

Just waiting for Bach, Mozart and Beethoven to be banned from Music studies.
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January 28, 2020 11:45am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Perhaps it’s time to bring back re-education camps for stroppy students. They’re student because they lack education or is Greta the new mogul?
  
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  January 28, 2020 4:44pm
chaos

Well, is anyone surprised? Cost of living is awful under this government.

* A Napier primary school principal says child poverty has reached some of the worst levels she has ever seen.

A KidsCan survey found back-to-school costs are putting so much financial stress on families, it means children are missing school.

Meeanee School principal Gill Scarlett says schools are going out of their way to try and make it as affordable as they can, by changing to uniforms with no logos or reducing stationery costs, but they need more support to help struggling families. *

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/01/principal-says-child-poverty-worst-she-s-seen-as-back-to-school-costs-keep-kids-at-home.html
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January 28, 2020 12:10pm
Maggie Pie

My partner retweets:

Old shiny-arse Colin on the 16th floor ‘calls the shots’

https://twitter.com/NZStuff/status/1221919572522987520
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January 28, 2020 12:25pm
mikenmildagain

This is an interesting insight into the extreme polarisation of US politics:
https://news.gallup.com/poll/283910/trump-third-year-sets-new-standard-party-polarization.aspx
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January 28, 2020 12:29pm
- Simon Gotlieb
  
  It’s starting to get that way here as well. I expect it to ramp up since the PM’s just announced the date for the election.
  
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  January 28, 2020 3:40pm
Manolo

Bernie loved by all and sundry.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/27/us/politics/iowa-democrats-bernie-sanders.html
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January 28, 2020 1:05pm
- Batman
  
  Iowa is pretty liberal when it comes to it’s Caucus goers.
  
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  January 28, 2020 1:13pm
  - Tall Man
    
    It’s also flat in places… really really flat but…
    
    https://www.npr.org/2011/08/08/139085894/you-think-you-know-iowa-five-ways-you-re-wrong
    
    Also refers to their voting habits.
    
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    January 28, 2020 2:04pm
Maggie Pie

Looks like the gay rights movement have come up with a really strong password 😛

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dim_sG_WAAAgRj7?format=jpg&name=small
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January 28, 2020 1:08pm
- chaos
  
  I’m pretty sure when I was in school it went a b c d e f g, this new alphabet is confusing.
  
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  January 28, 2020 1:24pm
  - Tall Man
    
    But, you get more “likes” this way.
    
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    January 28, 2020 2:00pm
    - chaos
      
      it’s just confusing when playing hangman, hmmm
      
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      January 28, 2020 2:10pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    And have you noticed how gays are always the first to downtick everything i post?
    
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    January 28, 2020 2:21pm
    - chaos
      
      Didn’t you know, Dow ticks are the new upticks
      
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      January 28, 2020 2:38pm
    - Tall Man
      
      I did notice that Maggie. How spooky, we must be on the same wavelength…… although as you know, I’m not a fan of Krispy Kremes….
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R96-tl8z60
      
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      January 28, 2020 5:44pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        LOL!! That Korean guy wearing the black cap sounds just kike my partner “…..so beautifully sweet with a sticky texture, I could eat it all day” 😛
        
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        January 28, 2020 7:04pm
Sydney Alvarado

“WHY are 56,000 Maori Claiming the Jobseeker Benefit When ONLY 27,000 are Unemployed?”

https://thebfd.co.nz/2020/01/why-are-56000-maori-claiming-the-jobseeker-benefit-when-only-27000-are-unemployed/

If correct this is astounding.
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January 28, 2020 1:49pm
- Tall Man
  
  Did you not see the memo last week pushing for “maori maths” in schools?
  
  Well, that’s how it works 🙂
  
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  January 28, 2020 2:01pm
- chaos
  
  jobseekers is not just for those unemployed, but also those who would of been on a sickness benefit, etc
  
  * To get Jobseeker Support, you generally need to either:
  not be in employment and looking for a job
  be in part-time employment seeking more work
  have a health condition or disability which affects your ability to work. This means that you have to reduce your hours or stop work for a while. We may still be able to help if you have a job to go back to.*
  
  https://www.workandincome.govt.nz/products/a-z-benefits/jobseeker-support.html
  
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  January 28, 2020 2:09pm
  - Sydney Alvarado
    
    Yes I understand that. However you would expect to see the same pattern across all ethnicities. And you dont. For pakeha there are LESS people on JS benefit than there are unemployed – which is what you would expect. Are all the people on a sickness benefit Maori? Seems unlikely.
    
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    January 29, 2020 11:14am
chaos

* Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern is set to announce September 19 as the general election date at her first post-cabinet press conference of the year at 3pm today.

Much of Parliament will be heading to Waitangi next week, and Parliament is due to resume the following week where the Government parties and National Opposition will face off.

The last election was September 23, 2017 and the last possible date for an election this year is November 21.*

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12303984
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January 28, 2020 2:27pm
- chaos
  
  August wedding or a new sprog?
  
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  January 28, 2020 2:28pm
  - stigie
    
    Either way i find it a fucking disgrace.
    How much virtue signaling can one person do in a 3 year term of photo shoots, hugz and feelz and loved by Australians who want her as their PM..?
    They can fucking have her and her horses that will be carting her down Queen St in August !~
    
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    January 28, 2020 3:21pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Stigie, breathe …. You are right but you have no idea of the capacity of the NZ media to absorb ardern’s crap, repackage it and spew it back out on us 🙁
      
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      January 28, 2020 6:19pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Ryan Bridge hit the nail on the head when he said no wedding before the election but “planned for the summer” so will dominate the media for months and so may over shadow the election. With this media, everything is possible.
    
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    January 28, 2020 6:14pm
Tony Stuart

The Minister of Health, Hon Rev Dr David Clark was in fine form when interviewed by Duncan Garner {sarcasm alert}

https://twitter.com/NZNationalParty/status/1221928462010572805
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January 28, 2020 2:52pm
- Tall Man
  
  I heard Ryan Bridge talking about clark and he was basically saying that clark didn’t have a clue.
  
  Rather damning when a liberal journalist is making a comment like that. Not that he (Ryan) is a mad lefty but he’s a little more liberal/balanced politically than I 😉
  
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  January 28, 2020 5:58pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Ugggh. Chinese man eating live baby mice with dipping sauce, you have been warned:
https://twitter.com/Byron_Wan/status/1220169398192889857
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January 28, 2020 2:53pm
- Tall Man
  
  Like oysters you think?
  
  On topic mod….. a few years ago our cat (my wife’s really..) was tormenting a mouse and it went on for ages.
  
  Eventually I took a modicum of pity and shot the mouse between pussy’s paws with the air rifle. The cat tapped it twice and then walked off in disgust.
  
  The moral I suppose is that even a cat doesn’t like eating dead mice!
  
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  January 28, 2020 6:04pm
KH

The role of the health department is to keep the public from being alarmef.
So all statements are positive.
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January 28, 2020 3:04pm
DigNap15

Regarding the 12 billion dollar COL spend up

Its a joke
I read somewhere that they will spend 400 million this year
1.1 billion next year
1.2 billion the next year
2 billion for each of the next 2 years
And the rest after 2025.

So really its a big joke, as its mostly after the election.
It may also show that there is no money, or that Grant Robertson won’t let them borrow anymore.

Also I predict that there will be no roads of National Significnace (sorry Chris Bishop)

There is no way that Genter and Twyford would give in and build those roads, while they are busy buying cans of paint.

In someways that’s good as it gives National soem ammunition.
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January 28, 2020 3:25pm
- chaos
  
  Oh no, including the 19 billion they have borrowed, the other 3 billion for housing no, they just borrowed another 250 million last week
  
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  January 28, 2020 4:25pm
- Tall Man
  
  So, obviously, my question is … is the $12 billion a lie considering the way it has been presented?
  
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  January 28, 2020 6:10pm
  - chaos
    
    It’s labour, do you really have to ask?
    
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    January 28, 2020 6:49pm
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    If its a lie, we’ll see on Thursday, they should put it on MAGA.
    
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    January 28, 2020 6:53pm
Maggie Pie

My partners come home early for a swim.
I was just laying back watching the Aussie Tennis – Barty v Kvitova.
He doesn’t take much interest in women’s tennis, but he did say “he hopes the one with the cute arse wins”. Sounds like he’s not an Ash Barty fan then 😀
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January 28, 2020 4:44pm
- chaos
  
  You should of said, “I always win”
  
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  January 28, 2020 5:54pm
- Tall Man
  
  Hang on, do you eat those Krispy Kremes or not?
  
  Asking for a friend 😉
  
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  January 28, 2020 6:09pm
  - chaos
    
    Google Krispy Kremes porn and you will see why she goes through so many
    
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    January 28, 2020 6:48pm
    - sooty
      
      What does she play Hoopla, that game were you toss rings over a pole?
      
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      January 28, 2020 9:53pm
chaos

China playing their usual games to hide their lies

* A 53-year-old fitness trainer died on Wednesday after checking into a hospital in Wuhan a little more than a week earlier, said his niece. His family had expected the death certificate to reflect the deadly coronavirus, because as his condition deteriorated, his doctors told his family he was suffering from an untreatable virus in his lungs.

Instead, it recorded “severe pneumonia” as the cause of death, she said. The relatives of two other people who died in separate hospitals in Wuhan this week also described similar…*

https://www.wsj.com/articles/relatives-wonder-whether-pneumonia-deaths-were-tied-to-coronavirus-11579915630
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January 28, 2020 4:45pm
- MrTips
  
  To be fair, she was told he had a virus. The virus didn’t kill him the pneumonia did. Doc’s have to write the actual cause and in the case of coronaviruses, that’s usually pneumonia.
  
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  January 28, 2020 6:27pm
Prince

No judicial bias in NZ.
Labour minister’s son gets name suppression for sexual assault.
National MP’s son has name spread all over Stuff for [Mod: alleged] animal cruelty.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/119076696/treatment-plan-for-lame-cows-may-have-made-condition-worse-court-hears
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January 28, 2020 4:46pm
- chaos
  
  Great to see he has plead guilty, owning up to his mistakes.
  
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  January 28, 2020 5:58pm
- Tall Man
  
  But we all know the left are as pure as the driven snow ………….. Ask martin!
  
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  January 28, 2020 6:07pm
greybeard

1. Send a plane to China to bring back the kiwis at risk.
Show a bit of leadership and support.

2. Prevent anyone starting their plane trips from anywhere in China from landing in NZ, until the danger of infection has been proven to be over.

China has not stopped their nationals, or anyone, from travelling to other countries, thereby moving THEIR health problems to other countries.

How stupid are we ?
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January 28, 2020 5:26pm
- chaos
  
  And if they have the virus do you still want to bring them back to NZ? Virus has spread it is already outside of China so you will now have to block flights from everywhere except Antarctica.
  
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  January 28, 2020 6:16pm
  - sooty
    
    You can’t just send a plane to China,
    Needs permision to enter airspace at border,
    ” ” to enter exclusion zone,
    Plane, crew, passengers need permission to leave,
    In other words, they are stuck for the duration!
    Sorry folks, but that’s the way it is!
    
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    January 28, 2020 9:51pm
    - greybeard
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/119111312/australians-told-to-reconsider-all-travel-to-china-as-coronavirus-spreads
      
      Looks as though not everyone is as pessimistic as you !
      
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      January 29, 2020 4:22pm
rightoverlabour

This is a very good paper on the Greenhouse gasses. Note that the doubling of CO2 in this paper has a marginal affect in terms of IR absorbtion in terms of the total.

http://www.warwickhughes.com/papers/barrett_ee05.pdf
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January 28, 2020 5:41pm
chaos

* Parliament’s Speaker Trevor Mallard is being taken to court for claiming a rapist worked on the parliamentary precinct last year.

NZME reports that he is being sued for defamation over those comments – that the man says they were defamatory and untrue.

Mallard made the comments in the wake of the major bullying and harassment inquiry at Parliament last year. *

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/01/speaker-trevor-mallard-sued-for-defamation-over-claims-a-rapist-worked-at-parliament.html
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January 28, 2020 6:59pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  well, that didn’t make the Headline news on TV this evening….
  
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  January 28, 2020 7:20pm
  - chaos
    
    Well if I was pm I’d announce the election date to keep it out of the news
    
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    January 28, 2020 7:51pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Oh yes,
      now why didn’t I think of that?
      
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      January 28, 2020 8:03pm
      - chaos
        
        Oh the prime minister also made a point to show the Aussie pm called In her press conference and she ignored the call. Really, you mean to tell me that Scott’s people and Jacinda’s people didn’t arrange a suitable time for him to call. Yeah right
        
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        January 28, 2020 8:10pm
rightoverlabour

Especially for trump haters. Note, this guy voted for Clinton….

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-defense-hunter-biden-john-bolton-senate
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January 28, 2020 7:28pm
chaos

* the 3rd video of a #wuhan nurse mentally meltdown due to pressure of fighting the deadly #WuhanCoronovirus non stop after city quarantine
she said if we rest，then we are treated as traitors. i worked nonstop everyday. Only death is waiting for me here.*

https://twitter.com/Himansh56735438/status/1221023691468750850
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January 28, 2020 8:49pm
- Tall Man
  
  Frightening even if only partly true.
  
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  January 28, 2020 9:03pm
  - chaos
    
    Seems tough for the staff
    
    * Chinese healthcare workers are wearing adult diapers because they do not have time to go to the bathroom, it has been reported.*
    
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/coronavirus-china-latest-adult-diapers-hospital-wuhan-symptoms-a9302186.html
    
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    January 28, 2020 9:09pm
chaos

Good vide, how to wash your hands

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nFhekmNUvo
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January 28, 2020 8:56pm
Tall Man

Well that didn’t last long. My comment was deleted before it had even passed the 4 minute “edit” time.

So, we now have a mod that not only enforces the rules but judges whether content fits the conversation. I have seen a number of comments that have been edited today by the insertion of the mod’s comment at a far greater level than ever before.

I myself have had comments deleted because the mod felt they did not fit the flow of the thread.

Is that the new standard?

This is the second time I have asked this question as it seems it was too offensive to not be deleted.

[Mod: Read the 8:51 comment – now take this as a warning, I am not interested in moderating your complaining comments any more. Carry on and take a holiday.]
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January 28, 2020 9:08pm
- chaos
  
  a member should be able to ask about moderation as it just doesn’t seem fairly done. If it was half the shit a certain member posts every day wouldn’t be allowed. And yeah following the comments tall man has written and the comments the mod has put in them, some one needs to hand in their moderator badge because they are rude and over the top
  
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  January 28, 2020 9:21pm
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    Do I uptick the poster or downtick the mod?
    
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    January 28, 2020 9:45pm
- Tall Man
  
  I wonder who moderates the moderators …… Is there such a being?
  [ Mod: a chap name of Farrar … ]
  
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  January 29, 2020 8:15am
  - Tall Man
    
    I knew I knew that, I was just checking if you did 🙂
    
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    January 29, 2020 8:35am
sooty

Have you noticed that stephie, milky and co have dissappeared. Recalled to Fraser hose for instructions, maybe! Bet they are here tomorrow in force!
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January 28, 2020 9:59pm
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  More than a couple of my comments disappeared as well. Someone swinging a new “gun” maybe ?
  
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