General Debate 27 January 2020

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CJames

So the big problem of used tyre disposal has again made the headlines. https://stuff.co.nz/environment/118655519/calls-for-accountability-governments-20-million-worth-of-tyre-disposal-grants Now they are wasting millions of dollars more investigating why it is a problem, courtesy of the Shane Jones slush fund.. The problem is one almost entirely of the Green Party politicians’ making – as it inevitably is for all the environmental issues. The party is dominated by over-educated idiots with lots of “ideals” and no sense.
Some years ago, the plan was to build a purpose built gas fired plant that could do high temperature incineration, using tyres and the like as a feedstock and electricity as an output. The plant would have also been able to dispose of hospital waste that we now ship to Australia (at massive cost). This burning is the practice adopted by most of the Western world. It was killed because the industrial arm of the Greens had a massive scare campaign against bogey dioxins, using the gullible housewives of Remuera as their shock troops, so the Clark government banned them. Science never got a look in where emotive language comes to the fore. If the Greens ever tell you to believe the science, you know they are lying. Ask how Golden Rice is getting on and the millions of people they killed campaigning against it. Greenpeace makes Pol Pot look benign.
Guess what, all those tyre recovery industries that the Greens said will materialise to use the resources didn’t eventuate, so we have massive tyre mountains. They are both health and fire hazards. They are soon about to start burning tyres to make cement, but they had to jump through a lot of hoops to get there. And they will make very little impression on the mountain. The solution, according to the Greens, is more levies, that yet again will be milked by criminals.
They have had their chance and proven yet again that they are incompetent to make any form of decision. The sooner they are relegated to the dustbins of failed political parties, the better it will be for NZ’s environment.
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January 27, 2020 8:00am
- G152
  
  Use them to construct artificial reefs.
  Tyres will last for years so bolt them together and build reef systems.
  
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  January 27, 2020 8:29am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/may/22/florida-retrieving-700000-tires-after-failed-bid-to-create-artifical-reef
    nice try, been tried, didn’t work.
    
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    January 27, 2020 8:59am
    - Tall Man
      
      But, like socialism, it hasn’t been done “properly” yet 🙂
      
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      January 27, 2020 9:20am
    - cmm
      
      A lot comes down to how you do it.
      
      If you just tip a bunch of tyres into the water (as they appear to have done in Florida) that will not make structure because the tyres move.
      
      However if the tyres are bolted together to form stable structure that changes everything.
      
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      January 27, 2020 10:18am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        My father was dutch.
        He remembers helping, in Holland, when the dyke burst.
        Told me of seeing part of the sea wall tossed inland by the storm, it was a lump of concrete, standing on it’s end, as big as a house.
        Tell me how we tie theses tires together?
        
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        January 27, 2020 11:33am
      - cmm
        
        RW: You have to pick your locations.
        
        The concrete that got thrown about only did so because it was in a highly vulnerable area open to the storms coming in from the sea.
        
        Artificial reefs can work fine so long as you put them in the right places and secure them properly.
        
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        January 27, 2020 12:22pm
    - G152
      
      On the basis of one attempt ????
      How many attempts did it take before man achieved heavier than air flight ????
      
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      January 27, 2020 10:29am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Burn them for electricity, reconstitute them and make oil…..
    
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    January 27, 2020 9:00am
    - Komata
      
      RW@0900
      
      Shhh, you mentioned that most evil of words ‘Oil’.
      
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      January 27, 2020 9:32am
  - Harriet
    
    Aldis in Aussie were selling door mats made from car tyres. Imported from memory. They looked ok but more for the back door or workplaces for me.
    
    Use them to build safe spaces. 😎
    
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    January 27, 2020 9:00am
    - sooty
      
      Get a greenie or woke person to stand in a tyre and then stack more on top till you can’t see them and walk away!
      
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      January 27, 2020 9:24am
- Megatron
  
  The latest process is ultra high temperature hydrolysis (UHTH) developed in Switzerland. It will take fedstock such as tyres, general municipal waste, medical and toxic waste and turn it into syngas for downstream electricity generation. There is no incineration or emissions. Brilliant technology but this Government will not look at it as they don’t want to upset the current “recycle” industries nor promote the use of electricity. Strange?
  
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  January 27, 2020 10:55am
Maggy Wassilieff

Jacinda Ardern is backing Shane Jones.
She thinks he has done nothing wrong.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=2018731377
(From 6:12)

Looks like Jacinda Ardern needs to go and study the Cabinet Manual.
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January 27, 2020 8:03am
- chaos
  
  No Maggy, you have to understand Jacinda never tells the truth, so if Jacinda says Shane has done nothing wrong, what she really means is Shane has done nothing right.
  
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  January 27, 2020 8:10am
  - G152
    
    Winston has told her that Shane’s done nothing wrong
    
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    January 27, 2020 8:30am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Ardern is the cabinet manual.
  
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  January 27, 2020 8:12am
  - artemisia
    
    More like Manuel. Que?
    
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    January 27, 2020 8:13am
  - chaos
    
    And jones keeps turning her around
    
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    January 27, 2020 8:24am
- peterwn
  
  Col thinks the Cabinet Manual is so irrevelant that they have not formed a working group to advise on re-writing it.
  
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  January 27, 2020 8:14am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Jacinda thinks the cabinet manual is a spanish piece of furniture.
  
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  January 27, 2020 9:02am
- Tall Man
  
  “She thinks” ………..
  
  Sorry Maggy, there’s your first mistake.
  
  She’s been “told” by the PM that he’s done nothing wrong.
  
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  January 27, 2020 9:22am
- oldpark
  
  When i heard the breaking news a “Jones” had died in a Helicopter Crash i immediately thought of “Shane” .Nuff said .
  
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  January 27, 2020 9:54am
- JackRabbit
  
  Winston lent her his cabinet manual.
  
  First page:
  
  Get a glass, add ice and pour whiskey over the ice……
  
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  January 27, 2020 10:51am
CJames

Jacinda can’t study that. If it isn’t on Facebook, it doesn’t exist.
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January 27, 2020 8:07am
- igm
  
  C James: Manual does not contain pics with infantile captions . . . she would not understand.
  
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  January 27, 2020 8:15am
- jacob
  
  You mean the Spinoff?
  
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  January 27, 2020 9:02am
  - sooty
    
    She hasn’t seen it on the tv either!
    
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    January 27, 2020 9:26am
Yvette

Ihumātao
Newshub sources say the Government will transfer $45 million as a grant to Auckland Council … who will then pass that on to Fletchers.

The figure of $45 million appears to be 6.6 times the amount of the Treaty Settlement – $6.8 million – for the Ihumātao iwi, Te Kawerau ā Maki.

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The Ihumatao iwi, Te Kawerau ā Maki Deed of Settlement Summary 22 Feb 2014
What is the total cost to the Crown?
The total cost to the Crown of the settlement redress outlined in the deed is $6.5 million plus interest, $300,000 as a contribution by the Crown to costs associated with establishing a marae at Te Onekiritea Point (Hobsonville), and the value of the cultural redress properties to be vested in Te Kawerau ā Maki.
Is there any private land involved? No.
Nine sites and other lands will be vested in Te Kawerau ā Maki.
https://www.govt.nz/treaty-settlement-documents/te-kawerau-a-maki/te-kawerau-a-maki-deed-of-settlement-summary-22-feb-2014/redress/
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January 27, 2020 8:08am
- KevO'Brien
  
  What will be the COL’s lawful authority for such a payment of $45 million?
  That requires a vote item. Is it to come out of the SJ Slush Fund? How has she squared that unauthorised expenditure with the Auditor General?
  
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  January 27, 2020 8:16am
  - Tall Man
    
    They had a vote at the weekend, ardern, the duck and neve all thought it was awesome!!!!!!!!!
    
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    January 27, 2020 9:23am
    - chaos
      
      All for it go down the bouncy slide, those against you will be noted
      
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      January 27, 2020 9:47am
- artemisia
  
  In future Fletchers and other developers will think long and hard before venturing into any deal to build houses if there could even remotely be an illegal occupation. Unless there is a good chance they will walk away with full pockets, smiling.
  
  Shareholders will be watching. So will taxpayers, especially this September.
  
  Such land is more than likely to be in locations of housing shortage.
  
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  January 27, 2020 8:29am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    As a shareholder I hope Fletchers got $45 million.
    
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    January 27, 2020 9:29am
- Jules99
  
  This case has been before numerous courts and they lost. Now the government is stepping to overrule those judgements. Does this mean the rule of law does not hold any meaning in NZ?
  
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  January 27, 2020 8:44am
- Minsk400
  
  Maybe the hapu can build some houses on the land using the money. No wait…
  
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  January 27, 2020 2:45pm
chaos

* I have some breaking news for you, sources have told me the Ihumatao land deal has been struck and could be announced this week.

My sources say the Government will transfer $45 million as a grant to Auckland Council… who will then pass that on to Fletchers.

They paid just $26 million for the private land a few years back, so they make a nice profit today $19 million for doing not much.

The Government can’t be seen to pay the money directly, hence the smoke and mirrors, but none of us are fooled.*

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/01/duncan-garner-ihumatao-deal-to-be-struck-this-week-sources.html
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January 27, 2020 8:08am
- chaos
  
  It appears listening to the tv Winston is against this, does not support it
  
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  January 27, 2020 8:27am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Maybe Winston will throw his toys out of the cot and bring down the CoL over this.
    Wishful thinking.
    
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    January 27, 2020 8:33am
    - backster
      
      Maybe Winston was talking with forked tongue…..but then again doesn;t he always.
      
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      January 27, 2020 8:50am
    - Liberty
      
      If Winston contrives a sooky with COl.
      Simon should then tell Winston to get fucked.
      Winston would then be up the creek without a paddle.
      How sad never mind.
      
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      January 27, 2020 10:08am
    - Billy Collins
      
      He is pretty desperate to get back in the good graces of his supporters, so who knows. I wouldn’t bet on it, though.
      
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      January 27, 2020 10:45am
  - RoboRob
    
    Rubbish. Winston supports it but wants votes. If Winstons support was critical he would have backed it.
    
    If Winston didn’t want it to happen it wouldn’t, witness discipling / removing Shane Jones.
    
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    January 27, 2020 9:02am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Hahahahaha! thanks winston, best laugh of the morning.
    
    I am sure you are powerless to respond!
    
    So, scumbag “activists” coming to private land near you, and this government will simply pay them off.
    
    See there is this thing about Danegeld!
    ——————–
    IT IS always a temptation to an armed and agile nation
    To call upon a neighbour and to say: –
    “We invaded you last night – we are quite prepared to fight,
    Unless you pay us cash to go away.”
    
    And that is called asking for Dane-geld,
    And the people who ask it explain
    That you’ve only to pay ’em the Dane-geld
    And then you’ll get rid of the Dane!
    
    It is always a temptation for a rich and lazy nation,
    To puff and look important and to say: –
    “Though we know we should defeat you,
    we have not the time to meet you.
    We will therefore pay you cash to go away.”
    
    And that is called paying the Dane-geld;
    But we’ve proved it again and again,
    That if once you have paid him the Dane-geld
    You never get rid of the Dane.
    
    It is wrong to put temptation in the path of any nation,
    For fear they should succumb and go astray;
    So when you are requested to pay up or be molested,
    You will find it better policy to say: —
    
    “We never pay any-one Dane-geld,
    No matter how trifling the cost;
    For the end of that game is oppression and shame,
    And the nation that plays it is lost
    
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    January 27, 2020 9:03am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      And who were the “Vikings of the Sunrise”?
      
      http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-BucViki.html
      
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      January 27, 2020 9:19am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Maggy, interesting brief read, especially the claim that the Tasmanian Aboriginals were in fact Melanesians and not related directly to the mainland Australian Aboriginals. But rather balked at the subsequent claim that these Tasmanian inhabitants were viciously exterminated by Europeans. I believe that the best interpretation of current information that we have suggests that the Tasmanian aboriginals were fairly badly impacted by disease (as all such populations that had been long isolated were) but that there never was any policy aimed at attacking or exterminating them. There numbers were always small, and after disease took its tool the number was miniscule. The only campaign of note was against a raiding party with some part-aboriginal members that was lead by a runaway black American sailor who had no aboriginal blood at all. And the intent wasn’t to kill but to capture and prevent further raiding.
        
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        January 27, 2020 10:14am
      - Stephieboy2
        
        MW, and upadate on that book with the very latest,
        
        Andrew Crowe: Pathway of the Birds
        
        Nature writer Andrew Crowe tells Lynn Freeman about the story of Polynesian voyaging and migration; of finding and re-finding small remote islands and atolls scattered throughout the Pacific, following bird migration routes in double-hulled canoes over vast distances, carrying materials to survive and settle on arrival.
        His book, Pathway of the Birds: The Voyaging Achievements of Māori and Their Polynesian Ancestors was inspired by commonalities of language across the Pacific to describe nature: birds, plants, fish, stars.
        It took 15 years of thorough research and the acquisition of new skills in an attempt to solve an on-going mystery.
        Pathway of the Birds has won a whole clutch of awards, including last year’s New Zealand Heritage Book Award.
        
        https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/2018730927/andrew-crowe-pathway-of-the-birds
        
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        January 27, 2020 12:51pm
      - Stephieboy2
        
        Ed Snack , it is believed that the Tasmanian aboriginals, in fact, were closely related to their mainland cousins crossing a land bridge that connected the Island and Continent!
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aboriginal_Tasmanians
        
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        January 27, 2020 12:54pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @stephieboy
        
        I am referencing The title of a work by Te Rangi Hiroa published originally in 1954, based on work started in 1927.
        
        I am reminding folks that the analogy between Maori and Vikings (The Dane) has been made previously.
        
        I am not stating that Te Rangi Hiroa’s book is the most up-to-date account of Polynesian voyaging.
        
        Do you get the distinction?
        
        or shall I spell out the difference between Literary allusion and Scientific research for you?
        
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        January 27, 2020 1:19pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I’m not sure about your analogy to Danegeld.
      Who would be the invaders in the NZ scenario?
      
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      January 27, 2020 9:20am
      - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
        
        Ah, yes Mike. The self-appointed scourge of KB.
        
        Here’s a hint for you. Go and occupy some privately owned land. Does that qualify as invasion?
        ….
        [Mod deleted – unnecessarily abusive]
        
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        January 27, 2020 9:51am
      - Tall Man
        
        Are you being obtuse or ignorant?
        
        There was no New Zealand or aotearoa and constant warring between tribes as one invaded the others territory to extract utu, slave or protein is well documented.
        
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        January 27, 2020 1:58pm
      - Stephieboy2
        
        Tall Man, much like the warring celtic tribes and Druid human sacrifices pre Roman Britain?
        
        Not forgetting Anglos Saxon slaves and villeins under the Normans ( virtually slaves )
        
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        January 27, 2020 2:11pm
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    Doesn’t mean Winston won’t support it. More likely there will be a backroom deal where money will be chucked at something that Winston wants in exchange for his vote on this. That’s how MMP works.
    
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    January 27, 2020 10:03am
    - Billy Collins
      
      Its election year, remember. Getting votes is what this year is about.
      
      Winston stands to lose all his supporters if he goes ahead, and could actually get supporters back if he opposes this in the right way.
      
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      January 27, 2020 10:48am
      - Nigel Kearney
        
        The election will be in September. NZ First supporters can’t remember what they had for last night’s dinner.
        
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        January 27, 2020 1:00pm
    - Frank Thomas
      
      Last week Pania Newton was saying a deal was only hours away from being announced. Winston would have stepped in and nixed it.
      My understanding is that he is now possibly using it as leverage for Labour to give NZF a free ride in the Northland seat in the election. If so, it will be interesting to see who blinks first.
      
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      January 27, 2020 1:01pm
- oldpark
  
  @chaos 8.08am
  So count your fingers after shaking hands with Peters who last week said no taxpayer money would be used to settle the Maori protest at “IHUMATAO” Yeah!Right!
  
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  January 27, 2020 8:30am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Winnie of the chosen words–no taxpayer money would be used to settle the Maori protest.
    Correct: the payment will come from the Auckland City Council.
    A half truth = a lie. Integrity at the top of govt?
    
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    January 27, 2020 9:03am
    - oldpark
      
      @KevO’Brien @9.03AM
      So where do you think the money for the Auckland City Council will come from. FFS the Taxpayer. What part of that don’t you understand.
      
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      January 27, 2020 9:36am
      - Ed Snack
        
        I think that Kev has the same understanding on this. It will be packaged as coming from the ACC and “sold” on that basis even though it is transparently obvious that they are just a pass-through agent for the deal.
        
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        January 27, 2020 10:15am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Winston only speaks the words you want to hear. He does not say the govt is paying for it indirectly. That is true. Winston takes care to omit the indirect. Only a person of integrity would go as far as giving the fuller picture.
        
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        January 27, 2020 11:04am
  - tf78
    
    Maybe Winston should talk to Robertson instead of Ardern as he did the deal with Goff.
    
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    January 27, 2020 12:30pm
- MCos
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Government shouldn’t have pinched it in 1867.
  What goes around comes around.
  Pania Newton isn’t Tainui.
  
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  January 27, 2020 8:44am
  - RoboRob
    
    The Iwi already got the settlement, they then sold the land for ‘monies’ and then some iwi members protested so now the land has been bought back and given again to the iwi. It’s not rocket science, this is an iwi issue that the government has solved with our money.
    
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    January 27, 2020 9:04am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      30 yrs of hard work, down the drain by one silly little girl, desperate for Maori to vote for her.
      National 1990- 1999 massive movement on settlements
      Labour 1999-2008 almost nothing until Maori party formed
      National 2008-2017 massive movement on treaty claims.
      Ask me again who was looking to fix and finish this?
      and
      Who wants it as a perpetual festering sore?
      
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      January 27, 2020 9:55am
      - freethinker
        
        How many settlements since the Coalition of Clowns infested the Beehive?
        
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        January 27, 2020 10:26am
      - RoboRob
        
        Maori support for National ~0%
        Maori support for Labour ~100%
        
        I guess it’s all the history but since 1990 National have done much much more for Maori and race relations.
        
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        January 27, 2020 10:39am
    - JackRabbit
      
      Its not scared land, “its buy and selling”, and because of ongoing treaty settlements they get to sell it over and over again. Just like the golden goose that flies home a while after it is sold… … to be resold again.
      
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      January 27, 2020 10:55am
- Yvette
  
  The disputed land at Ihumātao could be granted the highest level of heritage recognition by Heritage New Zealand.
  It’s proposing to change the heritage status of the neighbouring Ōtuataua Stonefields to a category one, and expanding the current boundaries to include the land at Ihumātao.
  
  As Minister in charge of Heritage New Zealand, how can Ardern announce any decision on Ihumātao until Heritage New Zealand has made their own announcement, which is likely that the Crown should still own the land the highest level of heritage recognition?
  Instead of purchasing it, shouldn’t Auckland Council be required to re-zone it as heritage land, with covenants of allow “papakainga housing for the local hapu”?
  
  [1] https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018720750/occupied-ihumatao-land-could-be-granted-highest-heritage-status
  
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  January 27, 2020 8:44am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    This COL should be sacked.
    ☑️☑️Rout2020☑️☑️
    
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    January 27, 2020 9:07am
    - Tall Man
      
      “This COL will be sacked”
      
      Fixed it Kev.
      
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      January 27, 2020 9:26am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Thanks.
        
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        January 27, 2020 11:09am
  - Ed Snack
    
    The land actually in dispute has was cleared and used for many years for cultivation after 1840. It is specifically different from the little modified Otuataua stonefields area – which is precisely why it was intended by its sale that it would be converted into housing including a portion intended for iwi usage.
    
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    January 27, 2020 10:18am
    - Tall Man
      
      The “Stonefields” were already protected completely and removed from the Fletcher’s title.
      
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      January 27, 2020 1:54pm
- Ruahine
  
  How much does Pania Newton get? Does she work for Fletchers?
  
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  January 27, 2020 10:56am
  - Paulus
    
    She doesn’t work – she is a student of anything at Poly.
    
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    January 27, 2020 1:57pm
    - Minsk400
      
      She’s graduated with a law degree, but looks like she hasn’t worked as one yet
      https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/07/who-is-ihum-tao-protest-leader-pania-newton-what-is-she-fighting-for-and-why-does-it-matter.html
      
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      January 27, 2020 2:55pm
artemisia

A lot of low margin businesses rely on tourists and those with work visas. Even a temporary reduction due to travel restrictions will cause them to consider laying off staff.

While the latest virus has a low R-nought there is little or probably no natural immunity and so far no vaccine.
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January 27, 2020 8:17am
- sooty
  
  Will alot of fruit and veg be left to rot, because of no pickers or is labour price to sky rocket!
  
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  January 27, 2020 9:31am
chaos

* China’s health minister Ma Xiaowei made a startling statement Sunday about the Wuhan coronavirus: He said people can spread it before they become symptomatic.

“This is a game changer,” said Dr. William Schaffner, a longtime adviser to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
It’s much harder to contain a virus — to track down a patient’s contacts and quarantine them immediately — if the patient was spreading the disease for days or weeks before they even realized they had it.

“It means the infection is much more contagious than we originally thought,” said Schaffner, an infectious disease specialist at Vanderbilt University Medical Center. “This is worse than we anticipated.”*

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/26/health/coronavirus-spread-symptoms-chinese-officials/index.html
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January 27, 2020 8:29am
- Billy Collins
  
  And all we are doing is putting one nurse at each airport to take the temperature of any passenger from China who feels unwell…
  
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  January 27, 2020 4:20pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    So tell us what should be happening. We could stop everyone, swab them and send the swab off for DNA sequencing. Can be done in a few hours (although I doubt that we are set up for that kind of volume) so we wouldn’t have more than few hundred people in quarantine. Have to keep them separate from each other of course …
    
    You reckon this is where we ought to be? You have some qualifications in this area? (I don’t). Sounds AWFULLY hard to me though.
    
    Measles is infectious while asymptomatic too
    
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    January 27, 2020 7:15pm
    - Billy Collins
      
      Well, they could have just refused the flight from coming here, with early notice so the airline can cancel the flight. The airline will have to refund the passengers, and I don’t see why we can’t refund the airline if needed. To stop the virus coming here, I’m sure people wouldn’t mind covering a few thousand dollar reimbursement.
      
      Now that people have come here, set up border screenings. Make the test mandatory before leaving the terminal.
      
      At least make seeing the nurse mandatory at least. At the moment, no one has to see the nurses. They are just there if the passengers wish to get checked. People will avoid getting checked if they don’t have to just to avoid having to face the reality if they happen to have it.
      
      Those are just a few suggestions.
      
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      January 27, 2020 11:04pm
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Impeachment trial update,

“Trump could shoot someone on the Senate floor and still be acquitted 53 47 Unless he shot a republican Then it would be 52. 47”

Thus saith the Lord of hosts!
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January 27, 2020 8:31am
- KevO'Brien
  
  You are both blasphemer and buffoon.
  
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  January 27, 2020 9:08am
- RoboRob
  
  This in, police find 40 dead virgins on the floor, a smoking gun in joe Bidens hand and a hand written signed note caliming Biden done it. Jesus appears on National TV and claims Trump is the messiah.
  
  Democrats in house vote unanamously to impeach Trump for the holocost and award Biden Noble peace prize.
  
  Politics in the US house is, unfortunately, currently 100% partisan.
  
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  January 27, 2020 9:09am
- JackRabbit
  
  Have the MIBs been in to patch your faulty firmware?. Your brain is stuck on auto-chunder.
  
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  January 27, 2020 10:57am
Captain Mainwaring

Yes I heard Health Minster Clark say it with his own mouth:
“Coronavirus is not as contagious as other viruses.”
Why does this idiot still have his job?
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January 27, 2020 8:35am
- IC5000
  
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  Maybe you could fly to Wuhan and prove them wrong.
  
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  January 27, 2020 8:42am
  - calendar girl
    
    Nasty comment.
    
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    January 27, 2020 8:59am
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      from a nasty person
      
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      January 27, 2020 9:32am
    - sooty
      
      Hey, why should Clark be held to account,
      No one else is!
      
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      January 27, 2020 9:34am
- chaos
  
  Let’s help the priest out.
  
  * Virologist who helped identify SARS on coronavirus outbreak: ‘This time I’m scared’*
  
  https://news.yahoo.com/virologist-helped-identify-sars-coronavirus-225800266.html
  
  New research on the Wuhan coronavirus has found the virus may be present in the lungs of individuals with no obvious symptoms, making strict quarantine and contact-tracing regimes crucial to preventing the number of cases from reaching the scale of the 2003 Sars outbreak.*
  
  https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3047636/doctors-warn-china-coronavirus-carriers-may-show-no-symptoms
  
  * A nurse wearing a protective suit and face mask treating the sick in Wuhan has claimed that 90,000 people have already been infected by the coronavirus in China – far more than the figure of just 1,975 issued by government officials.*
  
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7929657/Nurse-treating-coronavirus-sufferers-China-claims-90-000-people-infected.html
  
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  January 27, 2020 8:42am
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    “This time I’m scared’* ??
    
    Coming from a scientific brain? This is salacious tabloid news stuff!
    
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    January 27, 2020 9:09am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Like
      The science around climate change is settled?
      
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      January 27, 2020 9:18am
    - chaos
      
      And what are you, just a troll that knows nothing, push off now
      
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      January 27, 2020 9:19am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Professor Guan Yi is acknowledged as being one of the World’s leading virologists
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guan_Yi
      
      Here’s some more of his background
      https://sph.hku.hk/en/about-us/faculty-and-staff/academic-staff/guan,-yi
      
      I have never seen any evidence that you, stephieboy, have the slightest background in any scientific discipline, so I don’t think you are any position to comment on the brain of someone you clearly know nothing about.
      
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      January 27, 2020 9:30am
      - chaos
        
        I’m wondering by the billshit coming out his mouth if he is [Delted – Mod] dr David failed priest clark
        
        [Mod – I’ve never seen any evidence that Clark’s PhD is anything other than genuine. If you can prove otherwise, fire away]
        
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        January 27, 2020 9:33am
      - chaos
        
        I stand by calling him a pretend doctor, I do not consider some who has a doctorate to be a dr, the only ones that should be allowed to call themself a doctor are medical, so yes I will continue to call him a pretend doctor
        
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        January 27, 2020 9:44am
      - JibberJabber
        
        Theology PhD = PhD in MotherGoose stories.
        
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        January 27, 2020 10:21am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        the only ones that should be allowed to call themself a doctor are medical,
        
        Well, yes, it is confusing, isn’t it?
        
        I can call myself a Dr, but I couldn’t when I only had a Bachelor’s or an Honours degree.
        
        Medical doctors have always called themselves Doctor, even when they only hold Bachelor degrees…
        (MB ChB)….
        
        To avoid confusion, I usually don’t use my title unless it is directly relevant to some work I undertake (or if I’m booking Flights).. and as far as I can see that is a common practice of many PhD graduates.
        
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        January 27, 2020 10:22am
      - Stephieboy2
        
        MW, Professor Guan Yi ? Others like virologist Dr Chris Smith of Cambridge University are not!
        
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        January 27, 2020 10:53am
      - chaos
        
        Maggy as health minister I think he should drop the dr from his title.
        
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        January 27, 2020 11:07am
      - Batman
        
        Lefties love that sort of thing, so they will never drop it from their title. In fact they insist upon it being used…
        
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        January 27, 2020 11:11am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @stephieboy
        
        You mean this Dr Chris Smith… who just 11 hours ago was telling folks in the UK that .. it looks like China has “shut the stable door after the horse has bolted”
        (around the 8min mark)
        https://www.buzzsprout.com/688397/2575012
        
        and
        we could be “Cruising for a biological bruising”
        (around 13 min)
        and
        who ends the interview by stating;
        “watch this space… it’s changing by the minute”
        
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        January 27, 2020 11:36am
      - Aunty
        
        I’m like you, Maggy, I don’t make a big deal about having a PhD. I only use my Dr title on formal/professional occasions, legal documents, and funnily enough bookings as well. You can call me whatever you like, so long as it’s not ‘cheap’.
        
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        January 27, 2020 11:44am
      - Stephieboy2
        
        MW,
        
        Guan Yi is a Hong Kong virologist who, in 2014, was ranked as 11th in the world by Thomson Reuters among global researchers in the field of microbiology. He obtained his Phd in microbiology at the University of Hong Kong and is now a professor of microbiology at his alma mater. Wikipedia
        
        Ranks no 11 Interesting. Who ranks above him I wonder?
        
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        January 27, 2020 2:23pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Who Knows or cares stephieboy?
        
        It’s not a competition, it’s a pandemic in the making.
        
        Even if there are 10 microbiologists that some Canadian Media corporation wants to rank above Prof Guan Yi, it doesn’t mean that deserves the opprobrium you attached to his opinion.
        
        Seriously, is there any reason on Earth why you persist in trying to justify your obsessive trolling?
        
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        January 27, 2020 3:38pm
      - lifesgood
        
        Medical Doctors are not doctors at all. It is merely an honorary title. They simply have two bachelors degrees, like thousands of other people. If they go on and become a specialist in a medical field, then they are the equivalent of a doctor but start calling themselves Mr….very strange (I don’t know what female specialists call themselves but I doubt it’s Mrs)
        
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        January 27, 2020 4:45pm
- Hollyfield
  
  Because if he wasn’t Minister of Health, who else would be? Twyford?
  
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  January 27, 2020 8:47am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    What about Woodhouse?
    
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    January 27, 2020 9:20am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  We will see how contagious it is when it gets into a Retirement Village, or a poor Pacific Island hospital.
  
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  January 27, 2020 8:48am
  - Tricati
    
    Yep, just like the measles in Samoa.
    
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    January 27, 2020 9:58am
  - Ed Snack
    
    From the limited info I’ve seen, this seems a little like the 1918 Flu, kills often by over-stimulating the immune system thus is most dangerous for young fit adults. That may be an artifact of what we’ve seen though.
    
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    January 27, 2020 10:22am
- notreadyet
  
  What would he know
  
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  January 27, 2020 10:10am
- freethinker
  
  Yes but Clark is praying for the victims with a side request for god to save his arse.
  
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  January 27, 2020 10:30am
- JackRabbit
  
  He may actually be correct. Perhaps he knows more about media sensationalizing than we give him credit for, and is not as stupid as we believe.
  
  The China death toll from the virus has risen to nearly 50, but in the same time period somewhere between 12,000 and 13,000 people have died from the flu. There are 84,200 to 92,000 flu-related deaths in China every year, and the flu is contagious.
  
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  January 27, 2020 11:11am
Maggie Pie

We’ll be gone by lunchtime. My partner has decided to pull out early and head home. You will recall I mentioned last week, that our neighbors had rented their house to a group of Chinese Tourists. TBH, we hadn’t even seen hide nor hair of them till this morning when my partner went for his run along the beach. There they all were, pants rolled up, frocks tucked into bloomers, paddling along the waters-edge. He said the concerning thing was, they weren’t even waearing face masks! They all looked like nothing had happened. So better safe than sorry he reckoned…he said lets just pack and get the f~~k out of here.

Back soon.
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January 27, 2020 8:35am
- sooty
  
  Will you eat all of the Krispy Kreams to save packing!
  What are theese things and were can we buy them!
  
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  January 27, 2020 9:37am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Hiyaa sootsie! Only just this minute walked in the door.
    KK’s are the most fab donuts around. You can get them from the Factory Shop at Manukau where they make them. I often go out there because they recognise me and everyone knows I’m a bit of a ‘SM Influencer’. They will often give me mine at half price because of the rave reviews and stuff i write. They do have a store in the city as well, but its a real arse to get to. Also available at most BP Connects.
    
    [If you do head out to the ‘Manukau City Shop’, just mention my name to the staff. You’ll probably get a bit of a discount. Let me know whatya think 😛 ]
    
    [Mod: Lol Maggie – shameless advertising but cunning.]
    
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    January 27, 2020 1:18pm
    - chaos
      
      Just tell them you are there for Maggie’s supply and she told you to tell them to put it on her account
      
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      January 27, 2020 1:46pm
  - curry4me
    
    Really fantastic donuts. The glazed ones are best. You can also get them at BP Connect stores. The one in Bush Inn Christchurch has them.
    
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    January 27, 2020 7:36pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRh4ZVeOmiY
Goodbye EU! Viktor Orban Calls for a European Christian Democracy Movement! Looks like some more countries will follow Britain out of the Fourth Reich.
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January 27, 2020 8:36am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRh4ZVeOmiY
Goodbye EU! Viktor Orban Calls for a European Christian Democracy Movement!
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January 27, 2020 8:37am
Pharmachick

I posted this in yesterday’s GD in response to Mr Tips,

but for everyone interested in live, ongoing, and reputable updates on nCOV-wuhan try this (I don’t know how much of it is paywalled, but not all of it):

https://www.thelancet.com/coronavirus
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January 27, 2020 8:39am
Stephieboy2

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Petrol heads prepared to meet thy doom ,

One of the top inventions of 2019 according to Time,

“Dutch launch prototype solar car with 720km range”

The prototype of a solar-powered electric vehicle (EV) able to travel 720km on a single charge was officially unveiled in Katwijk, the Netherlands today (25 June).

Able to go from 0-100km/h in 10 seconds, the Lightyear One is fitted with a solar roof and a battery system which enables 450 miles (724km) of range on a single charge. Lightyear, which is based in Helmond, claims that the car will be the world’s first solar model with long-range capabilities.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/electric-cars/news/dutch-launch-prototype-solar-car-with-720km-range/
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January 27, 2020 8:39am
- KevO'Brien
  
  When pigs get fitted out with wings we’ll be able to fly them too and keep them in our backyards to take the kids to school on.
  
  Are you aware of vaporware?
  
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  January 27, 2020 9:12am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    When pigs get fitted out with wings……we’ll all have to watch where we walk.
    
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    January 27, 2020 9:20am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  I think I read the same story in Popular Mechanics in about 1955.
  
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  January 27, 2020 9:22am
  - igm
    
    The trolling dork would not know the difference between a CV joint and a ECU.
    
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    January 27, 2020 9:47am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Available from €149,000,
  $250000NZD….not exactly the peoples car
  
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  January 27, 2020 9:29am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Suggestion
    Buy a Toyota, drive it for 40 years and you have the same cost.
    
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    January 27, 2020 9:30am
  - Stephieboy2
    
    Demand will drive the price down! Reememebr it is a a prototype.
    
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    January 27, 2020 10:50am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      over the next 100yrs
      
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      January 27, 2020 11:26am
      - sooty
        
        I demand that the price drops. Says greenie as it stamps it’s foot and puts on frowny face!
        
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        January 27, 2020 1:01pm
- Sydney Alvarado
  
  God you can be a dick. From the link:
  
  “Available from €149,000, the first of the EVs are due to be delivered to customers in 2020. ”
  
  The average age of New Zealand’s cars is 14 years. That means the average value of New Zealand’s car fleet is about $6,000 per car. So how many people in New Zealand are going to fork out $NZ 300,000 for a small solar car?
  
  Think before you write.
  
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  January 27, 2020 9:36am
  - namron
    
    The poor people down in Invercargill had better start getting fit for all the walking they are going to have to do.
    With annual sunshine hours of only about 1500 – and quite limited in Winter months, I don’t expect sales of solar cars are going to be very high down there!
    
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    January 27, 2020 10:02am
- alwyn
  
  There are a few minor points you didn’t mention of course.
  The price starts at €149,000 That is for the basic model and it is roughly $250,000. I think I would rather have a Porsche.
  The solar panels seem to be largely a gimmick. You still have to charge it for 8 hours at a plug to get 400 km range.
  And isn’t it ugly? It reminds me of the 1948 Tucker. That wasn’t very successful either.
  
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  January 27, 2020 10:05am
  - JackRabbit
    
    So 16 hours for a full charge from a socket.
    
    A minimum of 72 hours for a solar charge at maximum sun. 12km range / charging hour in bright overhead sunlight, so it is 61 hours, plus charging losses, less system drain, maybe a week and a half in summer, and in winter, maybe a couple of months.
    
    Perfect for the Cook Islands, with limited road and lots of sunlight. Or cruising to pickup babes on Sunset strip. Hopeless anywhere else.
    
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    January 27, 2020 11:25am
- notreadyet
  
  What’s the point when there will shortages of electricity to recharge
  
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  January 27, 2020 10:13am
- JibberJabber
  
  Can this solar powered car tow a tandem axle trailer with a packet of Tanalised 150×50 plus a 250kg of gear in the tray like my work ute can?
  If not, like all electric vehicles, it is neither use nor ornament.
  Only a virtue badge for worthless urban liberals.
  
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  January 27, 2020 10:26am
  - alwyn
    
    You should probably get a Tesla.
    I presume your ute isn’t any more powerful than a Ford F-150?
    https://www.google.com/search?q=photo+of+tesla+in+tug+of+war+with+ute&rlz=1C1NHXL_enNZ818NZ818&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=e15ZiA-v6i7GVM%253A%252C37swcBmxcBeHbM%252C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kR4TaSY5tNLIDF-pTeOPszm0r5t3Q&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiFquinnqLnAhUpxTgGHbh5CGAQ9QEwAHoECAkQBQ#imgrc=5FyrEb5-g5BzoM:&vet=1
    
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    January 27, 2020 10:48am
    - JibberJabber
      
      Yeah,nah.
      I buy based on proven reliability, not one off publicity stunts.
      
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      January 27, 2020 1:23pm
    - Tall Man
      
      All day, everyday for 10 years?
      
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      January 27, 2020 1:46pm
- Liberty
  
  “0-100km/h in 10 seconds”
  
  It will be like driving a tractor
  Im happy with my 10 yr old v6 3l carbon pumper
  
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  January 27, 2020 10:34am
  - JackRabbit
    
    “0-100km/h in 10 seconds”
    
    So could be overtaken by any family sedan.
    
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    January 27, 2020 11:27am
Hugh Pavletich

CHINA CORONOVIRUS …

Inside Wuhan: Daily life in China’s coronavirus quarantine zone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luztqxUBvZo

Retailers, manufacturers shutting doors, letting employees work from home as Wuhan viral outbreak spreads … SCMP

https://www.scmp.com/business/companies/article/3047591/retailers-manufacturers-shutting-doors-letting-employees-work

China coronavirus ‘spreads before symptoms show’ – BBC News

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jAWPcyPFQc
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January 27, 2020 8:44am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  NEW ZEALAND – CORONAVIRUS IMPACTS TOURUSM …
  
  Cancellations grow as Chinese travel restrictions over virus start to hit NZ tourism … Amanda Cropp … Stuff New Zealand
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/119059473/financially-disastrous-chinese-new-year-as-chinese-tours-are-cancelled#comments
  
  The New Zealand tourism industry is preparing to take a major hit as the coronavirus leads to a flood of cancellations by Chinese visitors. … read more via hyperlink above …
  
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  January 27, 2020 12:40pm
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Today is the 75th Anniversary of the liberation of the Nazis’ Auschwitz concentration camp in which over a million prisoners were killed, the overwhelming majority of them being Jewish:

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/auschwitz-photos-nazi-camp-history-liberation-anniversary-2020-1?r=US&IR=T

I cannot accept the fact that our Prime Minister, Jacinda Ardern, has not taken up an invitation to attend such an important commemoration ceremony.
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January 27, 2020 8:50am
- Stephieboy2
  
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  She will be attending Holocaust commemorations today!
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/407938/winston-peters-defends-nz-s-absence-from-holocaust-forum-in-israel
  
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  January 27, 2020 9:00am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Why didn’t our Minister of Foreign Affairs offer to attend? Is he bedridden?
    
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    January 27, 2020 9:15am
    - Biscuit
      
      Kev, our Minister of Foreign Affiars was at Ellerslie on Saturday and Karaka yesterday to hobnob with the likes of the Velas and Hogan, folk who (after, no doubt, contributing big time – and anonymously – to the NZF Foundation) got access to taxpayer funds to keep on breeding pretty horses.
      
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      January 27, 2020 10:03am
  - chaos
    
    If you actually think going to that equals or even forgives them not going to the event in Israel then you are an idiot and an offensive troll
    
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    January 27, 2020 9:16am
- igm
  
  She is an avowed islam supporter, and islam were supportive of Nazis, so it would not suit her, nor her CoL disgraceful narrative.
  
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  January 27, 2020 9:09am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Perhaps she is going to the Evening Memorial at The Auckland Museum 5:30pm?…..
  
  or the 1pm one at Makara Cemetry.
  
  http://www.holocaustcentre.org.nz/commemorations.html
  
  Bit surprised that there is nothing on RNZ ‘s or Stuff’s web Page about the Memorial Services.
  
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  January 27, 2020 9:10am
  - Stephieboy2
    
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    MW, from my link,
    
    “Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern will be speaking on United Nations International Holocaust Remembrance Day at commemorations in Auckland on 27 January.”
    
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    January 27, 2020 9:15am
    - calendar girl
      
      And the world will be hanging on every word that she utters in Auckland, no doubt.
      
      She didn’t actually need to say anything. Just stand silently at the Auschwitz commemoration ceremony, with her head bowed a little in sadness at the atrocities that were perpetrated there.
      
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      January 27, 2020 10:26am
      - Tall Man
        
        ardern silent?
        
        Come on CG, she’d never accept that 🙂
        
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        January 27, 2020 1:44pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Speaks? She been know to read from her tablet in the House.
      
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      January 27, 2020 11:16am
    - tf78
      
      The UN – it must be compulsory to attend then.
      
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      January 27, 2020 2:56pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    They are not Muslim sponsored.
    
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    January 27, 2020 9:15am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Apart from the casual anti-semitism that is now symptomatic of the “caring left” ™ the real reasons are probably:
  
  a) sucking up to Muslim leaders
  b) no opportunity to be the star on the stage.
  
  I subscribe to b).
  
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  January 27, 2020 9:10am
- mikenmildagain
  
  accordinf to Peters, New Zealand wanted to send the speaker of the house (ranked third in our hierarchy) to these commemorations and Israel refused.
  
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  January 27, 2020 9:24am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    And I should trust Mr Peters word on anything…. because?
    Winston Peters of the famous ‘NO” placard re donations from Owen Glenn?
    Winston Peters censured by the Privileges committee for ‘false, misleading information’.. that Winston Peters????
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10533475
    
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/owen_glenn_did_donate_to_nz_first.html
    
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/02/the_answer_is_no.html
    
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    January 27, 2020 9:54am
  - Prince
    
    Why would Israel refuse ? Perhaps because the offer was made at the last minute, when the error was highlighted by the Opposition ? Or has Mallard’s reputation as a thug extended beyond our shores ?
    
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    January 27, 2020 10:05am
    - chaos
      
      i believe the offer was made after David ran the post last week that nz was sending no one.
      
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      January 27, 2020 12:34pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    Actually I’d refuse to have Mallard as well, insulting offer.
    
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    January 27, 2020 10:29am
    - igm
      
      Peters stated to Peter Williams that Israel could not provide Mallard with security . . . he was not denied entry.
      
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      January 27, 2020 11:16am
      - Tall Man
        
        “what’s in it for wynston” and veracity are not friends.
        
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        January 27, 2020 1:41pm
      - chaos
        
        And they could not provide it because mallard was offered up last minute after David’s article last week. Can’t expect a country to provide security and accomodation a few days before the event
        
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        January 27, 2020 1:44pm
Stephieboy2

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Why we should be at peace with the world going about our daily affairs instead of spreading hysteria and making cheap political shots or ethnic slurs ,

NZ Ministry of Health

Novel Coronavirus update”

The Ministry of Health is closely monitoring the international situation and guidance provided by the World Health Organization in relation to the novel coronavirus, which originated in Wuhan, China.

This morning the WHO’s Emergency Committee on the novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) considered that it is still too early to declare a public health emergency of international concern.

So far, no cases have been reported in New Zealand. Although the risk to New Zealand is currently assessed as low, the Ministry is taking this outbreak very seriously.

The Ministry is strengthening our readiness to respond should we have a suspected case.
The Mi
The Mnistry has set up an incident management team to monitor and respond to the situation and provide public advice and information.

An expert advisory group met this morning to peer review advice and provide technical expertise to the Ministry. Advice for health professionals will provide health practitioners with advice and guidance around first case scenarios.

The Ministry has an up to date Pandemic Plan and maintains preparedness for a pandemic. While this is not an influenza outbreak, the plan is a very useful guide. We are currently at the readiness stage of the plan….”

https://www.health.govt.nz/news-media/news-items/novel-coronavirus-update
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January 27, 2020 8:59am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Ah yes, trust the government comrades!
  
  They did so well with Measles didn’t they! I am sure our Samoan friends are so pleased that the NZ Ministry of Health is on the job!
  
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  January 27, 2020 9:11am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    and meningitis…
    turned down an offer of 30000 extra vaccinations
    Result…2 died
    
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    January 27, 2020 9:23am
    - chaos
      
      And the flu vaccine
      
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      January 27, 2020 9:34am
KevO'Brien

They are not Muslim sponsored.
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January 27, 2020 9:16am
- chaos
  
  It’s sad really considering how the Jewish community supported the muslims in Christchurch that we couldn’t be stuffed to send some over to show or respect and support
  
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  January 27, 2020 10:00am
Old White Loser

Hilary is claiming Facebook will reelect Trump!

What will the left do now?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/clinton-says-zuckerberg-authoritarian-on-misinformation-intends-to-reelect-trump
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January 27, 2020 9:33am
Komata

OWL@0933

When ‘friends’ fall out; funny that it was only three years ago that she and Mr Z were best buddies….

Perhaps he stopped paying her and / or the ‘Foundation’ and she’s a tad ‘upset’…
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January 27, 2020 9:44am
Belinda

NZer of the year.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/119057338/new-zealander-of-the-year-finalists-announced
If Jennifer Ward-Leiland beats Peter Beck i give up on this country.
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January 27, 2020 9:47am
- Ruahine
  
  Jennifer will win easily. Peter Beck will just carry on living in the real world.
  
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  January 27, 2020 11:00am
- tf78
  
  Jacinda could take the prize for best actress of the year because a PM she ain’t.
  
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  January 27, 2020 2:59pm
secondcumming

I heard the PR woman from *Countdown* speaking with Chris Lynch on 1zb this morning. She was saying they intend “leading the field” with ridding their stores of plastic bags in the *Fruit & Vege* section.

We drive out of our way these days to shop at NW…..they have *green biodegradable bags* in their stores now. Why can’t Countdown do that as well FFS?

And while I’m on the subject…..here’s another reason to avoid COUNTDOWN 😎

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12303501
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January 27, 2020 9:49am
- chaos
  
  I read an article yesterday about all the viruses discovered on fruit and vegies from shoppers touching them.
  
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  January 27, 2020 9:57am
  - secondcumming
    
    And have you noticed it’s mainly the *Chinese* shoppers who squeeze everything before deciding?
    
    Just saying 😎
    
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    January 27, 2020 10:15am
    - Stephieboy2
      
      secondcumming, OMG you are a colossal bore!
      
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      January 27, 2020 11:02am
      - secondcumming
        
        Today was going great until,
        – Stephieboy2
        
        😎
        
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        January 27, 2020 11:34am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Wait till you guys learn about Escalator handrails…
      
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      January 27, 2020 11:11am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        And shopping trolleys
        
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        January 27, 2020 11:49am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Escalator rails get cleaned – sometimes.
        When was the time you saw a shopping trolley water blasted? Is that why they are lying about in the streets, waiting for rain?
        Dirty filthy fucking people use them
        
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        January 27, 2020 3:56pm
    - Tall Man
      
      I do get a few weird looks when I tell people to stop squeezing avocados and I kindly show them the correct way to check and no, not mainly Chinese 😉
      
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      January 27, 2020 1:38pm
      - tf78
        
        But once you’ve pulled the plug on an avocado it’s too late.
        
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        January 27, 2020 3:01pm
      - MCos
        
        Bite them
        
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        January 27, 2020 3:45pm
- Biscuit
  
  secondc, ain’t it strange that that chap is decribed as ‘half-naked’.
  
  He had no shoes on nor any shirt.
  
  That’s half-CLOTHED to me…
  
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  January 27, 2020 10:08am
  - secondcumming
    
    Yeah mate – knows what you mean 😎
    
    What I did like, was the American guys description of how the cops in his country would have handled the situation.
    
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    January 27, 2020 10:21am
  - cmm
    
    “Journalists ” write clickbait.
    
    Which do you think will get the most clicks:
    A) “blaah blaah NAKED blaaah”
    B) “blaah blaah CLOTHED blaaah”
    
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    January 27, 2020 7:38pm
- Stephieboy2
  
  [Mod: Perhaps you need to reflect that seeing as your earlier comments are hidden as a result of popular opinion, then maybe it’s your attitude which is the one that needs being “put in the playpen”]
  
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  January 27, 2020 11:01am
  - chaos
    
    Congrats mod, this has to be the most upticks the syndicate known as Stephie has ever had,
    
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    January 27, 2020 1:42pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Thank you for the video link. It praised the New Zealand police for handling the situation professionally and not shooting the person showing a mental problem. I’m not a Countdown fan but the story had absolutely nothing to do with Countdown! Could have happened anywhere.
  
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  January 27, 2020 8:45pm
Michael NZ

Sorry Komata
I tried to uptick you but it won’t up or down tick.

Has this happened to anyone else?
or have I been exiled Mods/DPF?

I can post once but have to exit article and then can post again. but no upticking.

[Mod: Noone else is reporting problems Michael, so suspect it’s your device. I can’t vote on my cell for some reason, but it doesn’t worry me because I have alternatives.]
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January 27, 2020 9:50am
- chaos
  
  It happens, I get that too, sometimes refreshing the page fixes it
  
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  January 27, 2020 10:15am
- Biscuit
  
  Michael, you’re apparently No. 1444545523 on the ‘To Be Exiled’ list, heh heh.
  
  A long way down the order … but still ON the list!
  
  Be afraid, be very afraid…
  
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  January 27, 2020 10:15am
- artemisia
  
  Try deleting Kiwiblog cookies then reloading the site. Works for me.
  
  I also had a problem posting here once but discovered that unsubscribing couple of pages of old WordPress threads fixed it.
  
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  January 27, 2020 1:28pm
  - MrTips
    
    I deleted cookies and history but Stephieboy and TheKing still keep coming back here…..
    
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    January 27, 2020 8:07pm
- Tall Man
  
  Nah mate, it’s you they don’t like 😉
  
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  January 27, 2020 1:36pm
- Michael NZ
  
  Mod
  
  This has only been happenng for the last 2 days, up to then it was fine.
  
  I’m on the same applemac using safari, nothing has changed.
  
  I could uptick yesterday, now not but can report.
  
  When replying it now goes down to the bottom of the page before posting.
  
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  January 27, 2020 2:02pm
Gravelroad

RIP Kobe Bryant – great basketball player killed in helicopter crash.
How long before Trump is blamed – 3 2 1 – Trump did it.
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January 27, 2020 10:01am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Fog – Global Warming – Climate Change – Trump.
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  January 27, 2020 11:54am
chaos

Nice to see. Just got back from the doctors, big sign on the door advising anyone with signs of the flu, running nose etc to please put on a mask and inform reception.
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January 27, 2020 10:17am
krazykiwi

Prince Charles flew 16,000 miles in just 11 days using three private jets and one helicopter before proudly posing with Greta Thunberg in Davos.

He then went on to moan:

“We can’t go on like this, with every month another record in temperatures being broken,” he told CNN in an exclusive interview at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. “If we leave it too long, and we have done, just growing things is going to become difficult.”

What a monumental tit. Food production is soaring thanks to better agri-tech, increased Co2 and a very gradually, naturally warming planet.

#notmysovereign
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January 27, 2020 10:24am
- MrTips
  
  It made my blood boil to see him sucking up to the Palestinian terrorists. Disgusting.
  
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  January 27, 2020 10:59am
Fletch

Let’s face it: the reason these NZ universities don’t want to turn away these students from Wuhan is the money. They’ve probably already spent it in their budgets for this year. It’s a lucrative earner for them.
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January 27, 2020 10:24am
- chaos
  
  Not just universities but high schools as well.
  
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  January 27, 2020 10:52am
- Stephieboy2
  
  Fletch , while you at it stop spreaking fake news about the coronavirus ( inluding people dying in the streets of Wuhan and China)
  
  https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/janelytvynenko/coronavirus-disinformation-spread
  
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  January 27, 2020 11:09am
  - calendar girl
    
    So you’re saying that the story linked to below is “fake news”, reporting as it does 15 Chinese people dying in one day of coronavirus?
    
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/01/24/coronavirus-wuhan-china-lockdown-quarantine-us-cases/4562257002/
    
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    January 27, 2020 11:56am
    - chaos
      
      There are videos coming out daily of people on the streets in China dead. Everything is fake news to the troll who knows nothing but what google tells him.
      
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      January 27, 2020 12:22pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Responding to steffy CG is about as rewarding as taking a dump while standing on your head…….. I assume 🙂
      
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      January 27, 2020 1:35pm
      - curry4me
        
        I just scroll right past the resident trolls.
        
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        January 27, 2020 7:46pm
    - Stephieboy2
      
      calander girl , I was meaning this kind of thing,
      
      People droping dead in the streets of Wuhan
      
      https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/infected-people-seen-dead-streets-21345585
      
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      January 27, 2020 6:59pm
MrTips

Thought for the day

2019-nCOV: 56
Climate change: 0

Now piss off back to your over blown Swedehole™ Greta plus handlers, adults have work to do.
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January 27, 2020 11:01am
- chaos
  
  Wait for it, 2019-nCOV will be caused by climate change……
  
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  January 27, 2020 11:09am
  - Tall Man
    
    The extra heat has slowed the bats down so they are easier to catch….. Is that what you mean?
    
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    January 27, 2020 1:33pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

I’ll just leave this here. Send in the clowns. 99.9%.
https://bongino.com/climate-related-deaths-down-99-9-since-1932/
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January 27, 2020 11:07am
- Tall Man
  
  “Don’t bother, they’re here”.
  
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  January 27, 2020 1:30pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yeah! and don’t we know it LOL
    
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    January 27, 2020 2:38pm
freethinker

Yes but Clark is praying for the victims with a side request for god to save his arse.
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January 27, 2020 11:24am
Fletch

I posted this last night –

Sign the petition calling for airport screening in NZ.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/01/coronavirus-petition-calls-for-airport-screening-in-new-zealand.html

https://www.change.org/p/airports-new-zealand-start-screening-in-nz-for-the-coronavirus-outbreak

It looks like the govt is saying they are going to do some screening, but the petition is still going – over 15,000 now and aiming for 25,000
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January 27, 2020 11:51am
- MCos
  
  My understanding is that people pass the virus along before they display symptoms so airport is only partially effective at best.
  
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  January 27, 2020 2:19pm
Manolo

Will this political whore ever disappear?
https://nypost.com/2020/01/26/hillary-the-docu-series-lands-on-sundance-and-2020-primary-like-a-hand-grenade/
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January 27, 2020 11:58am
Swifty

The Greens and Labour fleece visa applicants who never even set foot in the country:

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/exclusive-government-accused-stealing-after-taking-tourist-tax-people-denied-nz-visas

How’s that for openness, transparency and our international reputation?

It’s straight out theft – conceived and implemented by the Greens and Labour.

What a disgrace.
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January 27, 2020 12:35pm
- Swifty
  
  I should have added, can you just imagine the indignation, the fury, the ‘outrage’ and the Labour or Green MPs being interviewed on the 6 o’clock news, foaming at the mouth, and in a frenzy – if a private company was paid for goods or services and subsequently not delivered and which said ‘Sorry, we can’t return the money because we don’t have a refunds process….’ and especially when Key or English were in charge.
  
  But they will happily steal other people’s money using this same, lame excuse.
  
  Total incompetence.
  
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  January 27, 2020 2:22pm
- Prince
  
  Tourist tax ? This must be fake news, we were promised ‘no new taxes’ by Labour and NZF last election.
  
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  January 27, 2020 2:43pm
Billy Collins

So the Democrat impeachment manager, Zoe Lofgren, just admitted that they are impeaching Trump, not because of what he has done, but to stop him winning the 2020 election.

Jake Tapper: “Congresswoman, you told senators this week ‘Don’t surrender to the president’s stonewalling,’ But what do you say to those who say, that’s what exactly what the House Democrats did by not going to court to try to force subpoenas and force witnesses?”

Zoe Lofgren: “We did go to court, as you know.”

Tapper: “But you didn’t pursue it in court, you ultimately withdrew the cases and went to the Senate.”

Lofgren: “We realized we had the evidence we were going to get and that it was sufficient to prove our case”

Tapper: “But didn’t you surrender to the president’s stonewalling, in that sense?”

Lofgren: “Well, in that — I guess, in that sense, we did, because, if we had waited for three or four years, the election would be over. The issue would be almost moot.”

So if they can’t stop Trump in the 2020 election, impeachment would be an “almost moot” issue.

There is more evidence of their motive to abuse their congressional powers to manipulate an election than there is of Trump’s motive, which they have no shred of evidence for.
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January 27, 2020 12:49pm
- Batman
  
  John Bolton says hi…
  
  Breaking News: President Trump said he wanted to keep aid to Ukraine frozen until its officials helped him with investigations into Democrats, John Bolton wrote in an unpublished manuscript of a new book https://t.co/J1tJ5oPZAY
  
  https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1221571042159878146?s=19
  
  To your point however, when the President seeks foreign help to tilt an election in his favour, is the remedy to wait for said election and assume all is well?
  
  And if an election is the only viable form of accountability, why is impeachment in the Constitution?
  
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  January 27, 2020 1:43pm
  - Billy Collins
    
    “when the President seeks foreign help to tilt an election in his favour”
    
    There you go assuming his motive. Get some evidence. The unpublished scribbling of some guy’s opinion doesn’t count. So far, the timeline shows that Trump was talking to Ukraine before Biden even entered the race.
    
    “is the remedy to wait for said election and assume all is well?”
    
    The remedy is to prove there is anything to remedy, not assume it. Presumption of innocence exists for a reason.
    
    “And if an election is the only viable form of accountability”
    
    I never said that at all. No one has said that.
    
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    January 27, 2020 2:09pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      You’re right about the time line
      Lev Parnas’ tape exonerates President Trump. It showed Donald Trump wanted to investigate Ukranian corruption and fire Ambassador Yovanovitch in April of 2018. (Suck that up Virtualmark)
      
      Joe Biden didn’t announce his candidacy until over a year later.
      
      Also it was only the money paused. Not the actual Military Hardware.
      Then there’s the fact that around half a dozen other Countries had their Aid paused due to Trumps concern about corruption or other Countries not doing their part in delivering aid.
      That last part was raised by Trump in his call to Zelensky- who agreed with him!
      All part of the Administrations America First doctrine.
      All the Dems really have is bureaucrats not likely Trumps Policy – Vindman!
      
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      January 27, 2020 5:15pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Would that be the same tape featuring Trump talking to pepole he later claimed to not know?
        Mendacity or senility?
        
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        January 27, 2020 5:34pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Hey Red,
        
        Not at all surprised about the April 2018 date. The Biden/Burisma piece is just the icing on Trump’s Ukraine cake. The whole Ukraine story has its roots in Dimitry Firtash wanting to (a) kill the US attempts to extradite him from Vienna and (b) get control of Naftogaz so he can go back to his old “business model” of clipping the ticket on all the Russian gas that transits Ukraine on its way to Europe. It’s Firtash who Parnas and Fruman are linked to … they’re his bagmen. The Trump administration has been pushing for the Ukraine to replace all the directors of Naftogaz … what’s the bet their preferred directors are all in Firtash’s pocket? And I suspect that plan would see a cut go to the Trumps some how. All of that well pre-dates the more recent (2019) push for dirt on Joe Biden.
        
        But you know all that right? I’m sure it’s common knowledge in St Petersburg.
        
        In the meantime, you keep polishing Trump’s turds. Just remember to wash your hands once you’re done.
        
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        January 28, 2020 7:03am
      - virtualmark
        
        And … the *very* next thing I read after writing that earlier post shows the paperwork for a $100,000 donation from Igor Furman to a major GOP fundraising committee on 27 April 2018. Just three days before that dinner with the video recording. I don’t think you can put an image file in these comment posts, but it’s filing SA11AI.5363 if you’re interested (hard to be though with your fingers over your eyes and in your ears at the same time).
        
        Where did Parnas and Furman get the money from? Not just that $100,000 but way more than $1 million they spread around the GOP. They don’t have that sort of money … they’re the foot soldiers not the consigliere.
        
        And why do Parnas and Furman spend so much time in Vienna?
        
        All the best people. Mobsters gonna mob.
        
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        January 28, 2020 7:13am
Tall Man

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/opinion/mike-yardley-benefit-numbers-betray-labours-posturing-on-well-being/

Let’s all have a big round of applause for ardern who has not only lied on a daily basis but has worked extremely hard to stuff New Zealand up.

How does the “wellbeing” improve for those of us that are supporting an ever increasing number of beneficiaries who are now receiving more than they ever have previously.

Let’s see the pathetic deflections and “whatabouts” from the resident pathetic trolls that continue to support this travesty of a government created by what are now quite clearly the most corrupt individuals ever to occupy the treasury benches. ardern and “what’s in it for wynston” have completely ignored the bulk of New Zealand’s voters in their obscene pursuit of personal benefit.
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January 27, 2020 1:27pm
- chaos
  
  You jest, a daily basis? Every time she opens her mouth.
  
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  January 27, 2020 1:40pm
  - Tall Man
    
    I know but the mods have made me “gun shy”.
    
    Honesty really doesn’t pay on this blog at times.
    
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    January 27, 2020 2:02pm
- Ian Boag
  
  an ever increasing number of beneficiaries
  
  Let’s not forget the costs of the big benefit – the pension – which goes up by about $800m per year and is also a charge on all us working taxpaying folk. I think that is more than all the other welfare increases put together ……
  
  We are paying them more than we ever did too.
  
  Sorry to raise such a pathetic “whatabout” and to be a troll because I don’t agree with you …. I’d expect some insightful observation now about my pedigree, intelligence or whatever. It’s what you do after your normal repetitive dribble about “I hate Ardern” and “I hate Winston” and “the govt is corrupt” and whatever.
  
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  January 27, 2020 3:21pm
  - Tall Man
    
    You’ve labelled yourself a troll. Probably the smartest thing you ever posted.
    
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    January 27, 2020 7:49pm
- SPC
  
  More beneficiaries more people in hardship, yet you suggest people on benefits are now getting more than they did. Fake news.
  
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  January 27, 2020 7:07pm
  - chaos
    
    How is it fake news, people on benefits are getting more under labour than they were under national. Especially if you are a family with kids. That is not fake news unless you are claiming that Ardern is spreading fake news. And those in employment are getting more than ever before with the families package.
    
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    January 27, 2020 7:23pm
    - SPC
      
      No one gets more on a benefit than in work, to go onto a benefit means they are getting less, thus hardship is up when benefit numbers rise.
      
      And what increase to main benefits? That has not happened since National were in power.
      
      Increases in child payments go to everyone in work or otherwise (but just allow landlords to up rents).
      
      There are more hardship grants being given – but they are paid back out of the future benefit payment which then goes down while it is being repaid. Which means more future hardship. Thus loans to the poor still have a growing market – just as well the Consumer Minister limited the degree to which these people then get exploited by lenders then A
      
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      January 27, 2020 9:38pm
  - Tall Man
    
    I’ll type slowly to give you a chance to follow. If you doubt that people on benefits are NOT receiving more money then you must be saying that ardern is a liar because she’s adamant that she has increased the well being of beneficiaries by increasing benefits.
    
    Now we all know that I’m prepared to back you on that accusation ?
    
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    January 27, 2020 7:47pm
    - SPC
      
      No one gets more on a benefit than in work, to go onto a benefit means they are getting less, thus hardship is up when benefit numbers rise.
      
      And what increase to main benefits? That has not happened since National were in power.
      
      Increases in child payments go to everyone in work or otherwise (but just allow landlords to up rents).
      
      There are more hardship grants being given – but they are paid back out of the future benefit payment which then goes down while it is being repaid. Which means more future hardship. Thus loans to the poor still have a growing market – just as well the Consumer Minister limited the degree to which these people then get exploited by lenders then A.
      
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      January 27, 2020 9:35pm
Batman

Axios – NEW: John Bolton alleges in his forthcoming book that Trump explicitly told him “he wanted to continue freezing $391 million in security assistance to Ukraine” until officials helped with investigations into Democrats,” the New York Times first reported. https://t.co/7FCQknNtLy

The revelations directly contradict Trump’s claim that he never tied the hold-up of Ukrainian aid to his demands for investigations into his political opponent Joe Biden. https://t.co/7FCQknNtLy

Oh deary me….
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January 27, 2020 2:06pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Oh deary you indeed
  ‘Sarah Tinsley, an adviser to Bolton, just said:”The ambassador’s manuscript was transmitted to the White House for pre-publication review by the NSC. The ambassador has not passed the draft manuscript to anyone else. Period.”
  
  Ahahahaha just.so.dumb with this constant grasping at straws and believing any fake news.
  
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  January 27, 2020 2:13pm
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    At least Batman takes the trouble to cite his sources . You don’t!
    
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    January 27, 2020 2:16pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      I quoted Sarah Tinsley an advisor to Bolton
      Your dumbness is epic
      
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      January 27, 2020 3:00pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Actually no named source is quoted by Haberman
      
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      January 27, 2020 3:07pm
  - Batman
    
    So it leaked from the White House or NSC then?
    
    That comment is very carefully worded to not deny that conversation happened. It merely says he only gave it to one organisation.
    
    If it didn’t, I’m sure you and Senate Republicans will be keen to get Bolton to testify that he didn’t! Go on, you want to ??
    
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    January 27, 2020 2:30pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Sigh
      Your source is the NYT and Maggie Haberman
      The same Haberman who smeared Nicholas Sandman and the Covington boys and is now being sued by him for smearing him with fake news.
      The Sandman who was suing CNN for $250 million. The Sandman who just won a rumoured $30 million the other day when CNN caved and settled out of Court.
      Her co- author has previously written articles stating that Trumps team were ‘regularly’ having meetings with Russian intelligence. Something definitely not true.
      Mate, you need better sources.
      
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      January 27, 2020 3:06pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Oh, and you guys keep going on about Bolton needing to appear as if he will provide anything, just anything to pin Trump.
        Bolton has said nothing to give that impression- either way.
        Trumps defence team has crushed the Dems case.
        Even Leftie Media is admitting it.
        Nice to see Trump permitted a defence.
        His lawyer was denied access to Schiffs ‘investigation’ for 71 of the 78 days it ran.
        Your lack of condemnation about being denied that says a lot about you being quite the little fascist when it comes to the process of Justice.
        Purely because you don’t like Trump.
        
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        January 27, 2020 3:13pm
- Billy Collins
  
  What’s with the random quotation mark after “…assistance to Ukraine…”?
  
  That is not in the article you linked to, or the New York Times report they quote.
  
  Are you trying to give the impression that it is a quote from Bolton or something?
  
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  January 27, 2020 2:23pm
  - Batman
    
    I directly copied the text of the Axios tweet without changing it.
    
    So if they’ve fucked up their grammar, I take no responsibility for that ?
    
    I would assume that the middle one defines the end of the direct quote from the draft, as opposed to the quote from the NYT story?
    
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    January 27, 2020 2:48pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      What pathetic wriggling.
      “assume”
      Ahahahahahaha
      
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      January 27, 2020 3:23pm
chaos

Something certainly smells about this and I hope the opposition start digging into correspondence the government has had over this

* Simon Bridges is questioning if anti-Semitism is behind the Government failing to send a senior representative to a high-profile Holocaust memorial in Israel.

The Yad Vashem Holocaust Remembrance Centre in Jerusalem held the World Holocaust Forum last week to mark 75 years since the liberation of the Nazi concentration camp Auschwitz – but no New Zealand officials attended.

Bridges, leader of the Opposition, said he would “like to be generous and say it’s incompetence” that led to the Government’s failure to send someone – but he said he couldn’t help but notice a rise in global anti-Semitism.*

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/01/simon-bridges-questions-if-anti-semitism-behind-new-zealand-s-absence-from-holocaust-memorial.html
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January 27, 2020 2:29pm
- Stephieboy2
  
  Is this an example of Anti semistism ?,
  
  “On 23 December 2016, New Zealand was a co-sponsor on Resolution 2334, which condemned the ongoing building of Israeli settlements in occupied Palestinian territories.”
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel–New_Zealand_relations
  
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  January 27, 2020 5:26pm
  - chaos
    
    If you learned to read troll, you would see bridges say that he does not support it and if you learned to read you would see what he says about it
    
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    January 27, 2020 6:21pm
Rodney Randall

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/119028862/hate-speech-up-since-christchurch-terror-attack-government-considers-law-changes

“What was interesting was the percentage of the population keen to see change, who would support legislation but also saw the need for something more than legislation.” – Netsafe CEO Martin Cocker.

“Canterbury’s Dean of Law, Ursula Cheer, told RNZ it was likely New Zealand would consider the United Kingdom’s approach, where the Crown Prosecution Service reports hate crime figures annually.”

Sounds like a vote winning policy.
Hate Speech Laws.

The National Government signed off on a UNHRC review seeking the addition of disharmonious speech laws protecting minority religions.

Labour want UK based hate speech laws.

VOTE ACT FOR FREE SPEECH
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January 27, 2020 2:32pm
- Minsk400
  
  When you expand your monitoring of “hate speech” of course you’re going to find more! Thanks Martin for pointing out the bleeding obvious. To quote another Martyn:
  
  “…the problem however is that NZers are sick of all the toxic partisanship politics BUT another way of interpreting this data could be that NZers are sick of the toxic politics they see in their social media feeds every day…it is usually our activist base who are on woke social media lynch mobs demanding cancellation of this and deplatforming of that.
  
  In short the NZ electorate are sick of being screamed at and forced to self censor themselves in an age of subjective rage and sick burn put downs by woke identity politics mobs who mistake disagreement for persecution and only manage to alienate the very voters we are trying to recruit.”
  
  Guess who said that? Martyn Bradbury. Here is something that perhaps the right and the non-woke Left can agree on? I know I agree with Bomber on this point at least.
  
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  January 27, 2020 3:02pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
    
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    January 27, 2020 7:40pm
Prince

Interesting that Stuff is leading with this court case, when the rape case against a [Mod – you are both wrong, and in danger of breaching a suppression order] was hushed up not so long ago.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/119011628/national-mps-husband-son-face-trial-for-alleged-animal-cruelty-against-cows
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January 27, 2020 2:46pm
- sooty
  
  What is labour complaining that nationals perverts aren’t covered up like labours ones!
  
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  January 27, 2020 3:33pm
- cha
  
  Despite being given every opportunity to do the right thing, the POS still couldn’t be arsed treating their suffering livestock. Fuck ’em.
  
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  January 27, 2020 4:15pm
  - Tall Man
    
    How about you wait for the verdict before you decide the media is printing gospel.
    
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    January 27, 2020 7:38pm
Maggie Pie

As we’ve only just got back home from Tindalls, I thought it would be prudent to bring myself up to speed with the number of ‘upticks’ I’ve received to my comments over the last few days here on KB.
Unbelievably, on my GD post @ 1:33 yesterday of a [ 😀 ] , some sad individual actually saw fit to ‘downtick’ it!!

What a ‘Shriveled Dick’. LOL!!!
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January 27, 2020 2:50pm
- Biscuit
  
  Maggie, your downticker is probably a ‘baldie’ appalled at your depiction of his hair-deprived bonce.
  Hence the downtick.
  
  The ‘shriveled dick’, of course, is a given!
  
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  January 27, 2020 3:04pm
- chaos
  
  Likely someone from KK annoyed you haven’t been in today so their stock is piling up
  
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  January 27, 2020 3:07pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I did send ‘sooty’ in to see them though 😀
    
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    January 27, 2020 3:31pm
  - sooty
    
    Now, now, you are not allowed to call goat shaggers, shrivel dicks!
    It maybe true, but you are just not allowed to say it!
    
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    January 27, 2020 3:36pm
chaos

Argh, speechless

* Shocking footage has emerged of an adult feeding vodka to a baby.

Police say the footage is “appalling” but it is not possible to confirm if a criminal offence has occurred.

The short video shows a Long White being poured into a baby’s mouth while the infant lies on a couch, propped up by a pillow.

The New Zealand made RTD contains triple-distilled vodka and sparkling water.*

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12303612
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January 27, 2020 3:11pm
- chaos
  
  Update, but does anyone believe him?
  
  * A man believed to be the dad at the centre of a viral video showing a baby apparently being fed vodka has hit back on Facebook – saying the whole thing was a joke.
  
  And a second photo has now emerged that appears to show the man giving the baby a beer at a pub.*
  
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  January 27, 2020 4:15pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    [Mod; Totally OTT MMA – please keep it rational]
    
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    January 27, 2020 5:36pm
igm

Oh My God, this is front page lead, yet Labour rapists and sexual perverts are given a little insignificant spot on P3 with lifelong suppression of names and details.
It started with a little creep convicted for dishonesty getting lifelong suppression of name and details under the Clark regime. He went on to live a public life of Riley at great expense to ratepayers with impunity.
No wonder they are now referenced as “Fairfax Filth”!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/119011628/national-mps-husband-son-face-trial-for-alleged-animal-cruelty-against-cows
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January 27, 2020 3:38pm
chaos

And we know from posts Chinese’s people are sharing online, people who were infected continued to leave the area after it was shut down.

* As a third case of the coronavirus was confirmed in the U.S. on Saturday, the mayor of Wuhan warned that the world should expect infections to keep climbing.

On Sunday, Zhou Xianwang, the Mayor of Wuhan, said that 5 million people had left the city before travel restrictions were imposed ahead of the Chinese New Year. He said he expected at least 1,000 of some 3,000 suspected cases to be diagnosed with the highly-contagious virus.*

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/mayor-of-wuhan-epicenter-of-coronavirus-outbreak-says-5-million-people-left-the-city-before-travel-restrictions-were-imposed-2020-01-26
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January 27, 2020 4:10pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The squeaky wheel got the oil.
https://trendingpolitics.com/trump-legal-team-announces-if-they-will-target-bidens-in-testimony/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email
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January 27, 2020 4:17pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Democrats should be worried about this man if he enters the scene. They should be, prosecutor with a 100% success rate.
https://www.topbuzz.com/a/6785892136186282502?app_id=1106&c=fb&gid=6785892136186282502&impr_id=6786212340250773766&language=en&region=us&user_id=6749143723495769094
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January 27, 2020 4:21pm
- Stephieboy2
  
  From your link,
  
  Former Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.) explained this week how former President Barack Obama may be a relevant witness in President Donald Trump’s impeachment trial.
  
  Note ” maybe” !
  
  The guy is bluffing!
  
  Sigh!
  
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  January 27, 2020 5:31pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Copied and pasted.
Media just can’t help themselves – just like certain Politicians who need a media hit and photo.

Kobe Bryant and his daughter passed away today, and although this is sad we also need to remember that thousands of fathers and daughters die every day. Thousands of families are torn apart each day. 20 veterans on average commit suicide monthly, 36 homeless people die every day, do you have any clue how many police officers, fire fighters and military soldiers die on a daily basis???? Where are their headlines on every News channel? Where are their posts on Facebook? Where are their heart felt comments all over social media? Remember something people, Kobe played basketball, he bounced a ball and threw it through a hoop, he didn’t cure cancer, he didn’t save lives, he played basketball. Meanwhile in reality children are starving daily, diagnosed with cancer or aids daily, where are their viral videos online? Where are their celebrity shout outs? This is truly a sad day when a father and daughter pass away unexpectedly, truly heartbreaking and horrible. And while the Bryant family and their friends mourn the death of Kobe and his daughter, there will be people who never met Kobe and his family, but they will make Kobe’s death about them. Everyone matters in this world, we are all human, we all matter. No matter if you are the president of the United States or a postal worker, we all matter. No one is more important than the other and we need to pay a little more attention to everyone rather than the people we see in the movies and on tv. EVERYBODY MATTERS!!!!!! Remember that.
PS, there were other people on the Helicopter that passed away today including the pilot.
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January 27, 2020 4:31pm
- Stephieboy2
  
  Now just imagine if this happened to Ritchie Mc Caw and his spouse.
  
  What then?
  
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  January 27, 2020 5:33pm
  - igm
    
    You are one vile individual . . . maybe there is such a thing as karma!
    
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    January 28, 2020 1:24am
chaos

What, only two airports and not mandatory.

* Currently, health officials are on-site at just two airports, Auckland and Christchurch, and screening is not mandatory.*

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12303704
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January 27, 2020 5:30pm
rightoverlabour

Interesting paper here:

https://watervaporandwarming.blogspot.com/2019/11/abstract-during-time-periodwhen-water.html

If the conclusions he draws are correct, and there are many that argue that CO2 has a minimal impact on climate, it would negate the whole premise of the alarmist camp.

He also has this paper http://lowaltitudeclouds.blogspot.com/

Fits in with a number of other theories around cloudiness, GSMs etc.
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January 27, 2020 6:04pm
Stephieboy2

The gist of the phone call that could ( should) get Trump impeached

Biden is ahead of Trump in opinion polls. Trump calls the Ukraine President and asks him to exert a favour and dig up dirt on his political opponent ( Biden )

“ I would like you to do me a favour ….there is a lot of talk about Biden’s son…

( pause at the time of the call Joe Biden was ahead of the polls vs Trump by a huge margin . This explains what was said next was so important which explains what happened next Hunter Biden >>Bursima >>Mykola Zlochvesky >> Victor Shokin)

and rest is history as the saying goes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyWNFvt9Fck

Sheesh !
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January 27, 2020 6:21pm
chaos

Samoa are on to it

* Fiji authorities are holding six Chinese travellers in quarantine as a precaution after they failed to gain entry to Samoa.

Samoa’s government has confirmed the six were refused entry for not meeting strict quarantine requirements implemented on Friday.

A government spokesperson told RNZ Pacific they arrived from Nadi last night, but were turned back because they didn’t have the appropriate medical clearance.

The restrictions, imposed after an emergency Cabinet meeting, compel anyone who’s been in China to “self-quarantine” in a country free from the coronavirus for 14 days.

All travellers entering Samoa from any country are also required to undergo a medical examination at least three days before leaving for Samoa.

They said Samoa was taking no chances after being ravaged by a measles epidemic which killed 83 people, mostly children, at the end of last year.*

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2020/01/pacific-nations-on-alert-for-coronavirus-6-quarantined-in-fiji.html
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January 27, 2020 6:34pm
- chaos
  
  Sad, the New Zealand government letting kiwis down again
  
  *A New Zealand citizen trapped at the epicentre of China’s coronavirus outbreak is pleading with the government to do more to get New Zealanders out.
  
  Joanna, who works as a software engineer in New York and only wanted her first name used, travelled to Wuhan on January 20 to visit her father for the Chinese New Year.
  
  She’s now stuck in the locked-down city and has not left the house for five days for fear of catching the deadly virus.
  
  She told Checkpoint she had tried to seek assistance from the New Zealand embassy in Beijing, but was told they were on holiday until Wednesday.
  
  After calling an emergency hotline, she was directed to register online at SafeTravel.govt.nz and to wait for further details, she said.
  
  “I feel a little disappointed since many other countries are taking action already, but it seems like the New Zealand government is falling behind.”*
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2020/01/quite-scary-kiwi-stranded-in-wuhan-says-there-s-a-shortage-of-food-and-medicine.html
  
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  January 27, 2020 7:12pm
SPC

When good news turns into bad news in a really short period of time.

“Future Crunch has 99 good news stories from 2019, you have probably never seen. Here’s a few:

Remember bird flu, the disease that was going to be the next global pandemic? There hasn’t been a single H5N1 human infection since February 2017”

If only the Chinese had done something about those live animal markets.
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- chaos
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2020/01/99_good_news_stories_you_may_have_missed.html
  
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