General Debate 26 January 2020

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JibberJabber

Did someone mention Robbie Burns?
Gie me ae spark o’ nature’s fire,
That’s a’ the learning I desire;
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January 26, 2020 8:03am
Yvette

Winston Peters mocks Simon Bridges as a “badly bred dog barking at everything”

I still await the judge’s decision on Peters’ “private details” case – the super overpayment. With Winston’s prompt behaviour in repayment being commended as exemplary and an official IRD letter thanking him for his swift co-operation, his proper performance was spectacular compared to Metiria Turei’s amoral mess.

But the subsequent witch hunt for a leaker, with Peters suing people he has since acknowledged were not responsible for any leak, and his utter wastage of taxpayer funds has in fact suggested any “damage” done, was self inflicted.

I wait to see if the judge treats the matter of “damages” the same way as the judge who made the decision in the case of Colin Graig, that his damages were accrued the same way: inflicted by himself. And it was all, in Winston’s case, over “private details”, which as far as I am aware, never went beyond information which Winston voluntarily himself gave to media or released in statements he himself made.

Turning a beneficial [sic] fact that was an Electoral advantage to an unpleasant distraction – was the damage of “a dog that can not leave a bone alone”.

Byron Kathleen Mitchell points out that what people most criticise in others is usually a trait they would most hate to have themselves, but so often do.

Is Winston directly baiting Simon to say National can not work with New Zealand First?
Or that he would have voters believe that, despite all the shit Winston throws at Simon, for whatever personal reason, they can co-operate to serve the country?

And then there is Winston’s attitude to Paula Bennett.

Year of Truth, or year of the Rat?
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January 26, 2020 8:13am
- peterwn
  
  Problem is, Winston told his NZF conference in 2018 that National would chew through two leaders before the next election and despite the efforts of MSM and Whaleoil/BFD, National has not changed one leader. So Winston has a bit of face saving. Possibly Winston regards Labour/Greens as such an easy touch he can get what he wants out of them after the forthcoming election without the need to try and play them off against National.
  
  As for the lawsuit, presumably he is meeting costs out of his own pocket unless there is some secret agreement with Labour. As far as I can see there is no basis for the Crown to meet his legal costs – he was not a Minister when the ‘wrong’ happened and anyway the matter would have nothing to do with Ministerial responsibility if he had been a Minister at that time. As things stand he will have some costs awarded against him with respect to the two Ministers and these would be paid to the Crown.
  
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  January 26, 2020 9:54am
- Paulus
  
  Perhaps National could work with NZF but not Peters ?
  Nah to either.
  
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  January 26, 2020 10:39am
- Max
  
  Winston has only gone with National in coalition only once in 22 years and that failed. National should call time on Winston; additionally this kind of rhetoric from Peters against the leaders of National just validates a vote for NZ1st is a vote for Labour and the Greens.
  
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  January 26, 2020 12:29pm
  - peterwn
    
    Looks like Winston is making the decision for the Nats. That would suit Simon fine, he has more important things to work through instead of having to worry about a little pesky buzz-buzz fly.
    
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    January 26, 2020 1:30pm
    - Yvette
      
      Peterwn. Of course you are right.
      
      It would be a far superior move for Simon to be able to say, “I do not have to rule Winston out, because Winston rules himself out . As all can see, it will not be possible for National to work with him. As it hasn’t worked for Labour, especially not for Little. ‘Comman sense’, which Winston so often lauds, makes that point quite demonstrable ”
      
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      January 26, 2020 4:00pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Perhaps Winston would like to publish the rest of his list of people that he considers ill-bred?
  
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  January 26, 2020 5:54pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxxW1nIqxcc
Late Christmas presents coming riiiiight up!
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January 26, 2020 8:18am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFIc6eZCeYY
Oh no! Poor Georgie is sad. Long may it continue.
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January 26, 2020 8:19am
Jack5

China is strongly stepping up measures to fight the spreading coronavirus epidemic. Meanwhile identified cases in the country have risen to nearly 1400.

President Xi Jinping and the Communist Party’s top echelon, the Politburo Standing Committee, have set up a group that will work directly under the committee.

The South China Morning Post reports:

“Analysts said that by creating the leading group under the Standing Committee the party’s leaders would be able to mobilise all available resources to contain the outbreak. It would also send a clear signal to provincial officials of the severity of the situation and force them to act swiftly to any instructions.”

The newspaper says lower ranking Communist Party members are often reluctant to act until ordered to do so, and there have been calls for punishments to be handed down to those who may have dawdled in the first days of the coronavirus outbreak.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3047655/chinas-communist-party-sets-leading-group-handle-coronavirus
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January 26, 2020 8:25am
- Jack5
  
  Britain’s Imperial College is sceptical about the numbers of coronavirus cases being reported by China.
  
  China’s official figures estimate 41 people have died so far and 1,300 have been infected. But, the Telegraph reports, experts at Imperial College reckon as many as 9,700 could have come down the disease.
  
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  January 26, 2020 8:01pm
Captain Mainwaring

Wakey wakey.
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January 26, 2020 8:25am
- GoVege
  
  Its Sunday, twit. 🙂
  
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  January 26, 2020 8:29am
NZpatriot

What do the readers think about this piece from Phil Quin on Trump?

https://i.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/119041107/why-kiwis-are-hooked-on-donald-trump-and-the-us-election
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January 26, 2020 8:26am
- Scott
  
  Well Phil Quinn has a big dose of TDS but at least interviews a NZ Trump supporter. The NZ Trump supporter points out the economy, which is booming. But still Phil Quinn doesn’t see it. He goes on about rising inequality. That shows us Phil Quinn is a leftist. As long as we’re equal nothing else matters!
  
  Actually Trump freed up the economy, cut taxes, cut regulations, freed up the energy sector resulting in real wage growth and the lowest unemployment in 50 years.
  
  But still Quinn doesn’t see it. Jacinda is nice but she has slashed the energy sector, raised taxes and increased regulations. The result is lower business confidence and rising unemployment.
  
  But that doesn’t matter to Quinn. Because Jacinda is nice.
  
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  January 26, 2020 9:19am
  - Tall Man
    
    ardern is not nice. She pushes a “nice” image but that is all it is, a facade.
    
    Look to her appearances. They are designed for maximum media appeal. She mistakenly said that she would only do a radio interview in Christchurch if there was another disaster…. then desperately tried to dial that back. One of the first things ardern and labour did was remove the prayer from parliament. I personally don’t care but then she decided to broadcast the muslim prayer that currently holds more of a sinister tinge to most non muslims than any christian prayer.
    
    The Grace Millane death was cynically used by ardern to further her public image. If that had been my daughter I would have been extremely angry but as a spectator I was disgusted.
    
    White Island was another opportunity for her to grandstand with “awesome hand wringing” empathy when in reality the tragedy has raised more issues about the reliability and competence of the government departments involved both before and after the tragedy.
    
    The overseas drivel generated by her regarding making our country “safe” by removing a class of firearm from law abiding legally armed citizens is just stomach churning crap while our illegal firearms owners have recently ramped up their criminal usage of those firearms.
    
    We have a non elected quasi leader running around looking for photo ops, primarily focused on overseas exposure, while virtually every promise she has ever made is consigned to the garbage bin.
    
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    January 26, 2020 10:20am
    - ronsegal
      
      Regarding ‘nice’.
      For a PM/President:- Intelligent, Charismatic, Realistic, Patriotic, Astute, (having) Integrity, Principled, Industrious, Diplomatic … and 293rd ‘nice’.
      
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      January 26, 2020 12:32pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Well I suppose 1 out of 293 isn’t too bad… Hang on, she’s not nice so…………
        
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        January 26, 2020 1:46pm
    - Jack5
      
      Is Quinn up with the play in this example he gives on Trump:
      
      …. Trumpian rants about poorly-flushing toilets or lightbulbs, the current energy-efficient versions of which, he claims, are dangerous and cost too much.
      
      Remember the “energy-efficient” bulbs Labour was going to force us to use in Helun Klark days? They were overtaken by the arrival of LED bulbs. I think the Klarkians wanted us to use compact-fluorescent technology, and such lighting can still be chosen and bought.
      
      Could that be what Trump was talking about? The light-efficient bulbs the Lefties planned to force New Zealanders must now be a very small part of the market compared with LED bulbs.
      
      The free market enabled us to choose better devices than Labour would have forced on us.
      
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      January 26, 2020 4:59pm
- Inandout
  
  I can understand his parents being locked onto CNN and NBC in a rest home, and would no doubt get their DomPost shoved under their noses whilst watching the two most puerile news outlets online. I sometimes delve into CNN or watch (appropriately mis-named) Rachel Madcow and quite honestly they are the ‘Lord Hawhaws’ of the Democrat Party; Trump cannot be allowed any praise, even faint.
  
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  January 26, 2020 9:19am
  - Tall Man
    
    Come on, everybody knows that those “retirement” villages are a hot bed of wife swapping and free love …… Who has the time for CNN ….. Maybe a fox from time to time though 😉
    
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    January 26, 2020 10:21am
Simon

Travel ban China / NZ needed. Long incubation period of cononavirus is a major problem. Why take the chance?

Look at that [Mod.] David Clark does anyone think he has a grip on reality? he is just praying the shit he is being fed by the CCP will work out.

This is a major health threat where is that useless [Mod.] Ardern?

No China / NZ travel ban because we are too scared to offend the CCP. But the truth is China is a shit hole run by vile turds – which lets the cononavirus get away on them and a travel ban is a response to this reality.

In the end the clown show out of Wellington don’t really give a fuck about anyone’s health.
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January 26, 2020 8:28am
- Stephieboy2
  
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  Simon you fool!
  
  “Government rolls out pandemic response plan following China’s coronavirus outbreak”
  
  “..But Health Minister David Clark says New Zealand health officials have been monitoring the spread of the virus since January 6 and the Ministry of Health had sent out two notifications since.
  
  “It’s fair to characterise our response at this time as alert but not alarmed,” Clark told reporters.
  
  “There have been no cases identified in NZ but nonetheless we have triggered our pandemic response in line with our pandemic plan.”
  
  The World Health Organisation has met to discuss the global risk posed by the virus, but delayed a decision about whether the declare an international emergency until tomorrow.
  
  “We’re watching that situation closely and working with international partners,” Clark said.
  
  Clark said the Ministry of Health had already established an incident management team, a Cabinet paper was already under way on the issue and information was being handed out to those arriving in the country.
  
  “It’s a concerning situation, a developing situation and we want to be ahead of it,” Clark said.”
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12302965
  
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  January 26, 2020 8:59am
  - Sydney Alvarado
    
    I really wonder about you sometimes. There is nothing substantial in those quotes from the Minister. He may as well have said a working group was being established.
    
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    January 26, 2020 9:20am
  - Simon
    
    Ambulance at the bottom of a cliff. 500 NZ coronavirus cases and the NZ health system collapses.
    
    Travel ban needed. Dont take any chances. Its science. Clown show in Wellington aint interested in science.
    
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    January 26, 2020 9:30am
    - Tall Man
      
      20 odd seriously burned victims of White Island collapsed it as well.
      
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      January 26, 2020 10:22am
- IC5000
  
  > But the truth is China is a shit hole run by vile turds
  
  Depends if you’re offered directorships of CCP linked companies like many ex-National MPs have been. Obviously you’d be a fool to bite the hand that feeds you.
  
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  January 26, 2020 9:05am
  - Tall Man
    
    “many”..
    
    List them then.
    
    Does your tiny brain comprehend that there may be links between fishing, forestry and China? Who is the champion of those two industries?
    
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    January 26, 2020 10:24am
- Fletch
  
  NZ’s response – “let authorities know if you have any symptoms”. WTF? This is a fatal virus with no cure, and they are treating it as a common cold!
  
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  January 26, 2020 9:40am
- rockape
  
  Now in Sydney and Melbourne so getting close to home!
  
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  January 26, 2020 1:51pm
  - Michael NZ
    
    Maybe we need a 1000 cases and 20-30 deaths to finally wake up to the truth of China?
    
    China cannot be trusted.
    because of the CCP and that they have NO rule of Law.
    
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    January 26, 2020 9:24pm
mikenmildagain

Happy International Customs Day!
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January 26, 2020 8:29am
- Harriet
  
  The joke about spreading disease isn’t on us Milky 😎
  
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  January 26, 2020 8:56am
  - IC5000
    
    Try looking in the mirror for a laugh in that case.
    
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    January 26, 2020 9:05am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Like you do?
      
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      January 26, 2020 10:05am
- cmm
  
  Which customs?
  
  A) The Diversity Dividend which has half of Pacific, Africa, Middle East and South America wanting to escape their shitholistans?
  B) Not being able to import various artifacts (eg. the ivory bracelet given to my grandfather by some Owambos in 1920).
  
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  January 26, 2020 9:09am
- Komata
  
  MM@0829
  
  As these are evidently different from ‘Local Customs’ where people (for example; at least in NZ) eat Pavolva on special occasions or ‘have a beer with the boys’ on a Friday night after work, please define what ‘International Customs’ might be and why there should be a day specifically for them?
  
  Thank you.
  
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  January 26, 2020 9:16am
  - Harriet
    
    “….please define what ‘International Customs’ might be and why there should be a day specifically for them?…”
    
    1. Hugs
    2. Appeasement
    3. Day dreaming
    
    One day a year should be put aside as a safe space. 😎
    
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    January 26, 2020 9:54am
    - Hollyfield
      
      Or a day to celebrate International Customs (border control)
      
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      January 26, 2020 11:44am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    All your questions answered here:
    http://www.wcoomd.org/en/about-us/international-customs-day/icd-2020.aspx
    I have nothing else to declare.
    
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    January 26, 2020 11:54am
KH

A million people yesterday matched in Bagdad for the US to leave. The US should just leave
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51234205
“Weapons of mass destruction” was their reason for invading. Big mistake but not fixed after 17 years.
They destabilised the region which allowed the rise of ISIS. Now the US bombs the PMU which was vital in getting rid of ISIS.
A major management screw up.
And the DC establishment get upset when Trump called them “stupid endless wars” He was right.
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January 26, 2020 8:29am
- IC5000
  
  > He was right.
  
  I though Trump was going to pull US troops out of the ME or is that promise going the same way as the wall.
  
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  January 26, 2020 9:07am
  - KH
    
    He sort of tried but then he is just a politician.
    I think if Trump looked like he could actually stop the stupid wars they would kill him.
    
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    January 26, 2020 9:43am
    - IC5000
      
      ‘They’ meaning Hilary Clinton’s squad of hand picked assassins
      
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      January 26, 2020 8:12pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Evidence?
        
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        January 26, 2020 8:53pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        ‘They’ is just shorthand for the figments of a paranoid imagination.
        
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        January 26, 2020 9:38pm
- tedbear
  
  ““Weapons of mass destruction” was their reason for invading”
  I know ‘funny’ doesn’t come into it, but when USA supplied the womd’s in the first place, well..
  
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  January 26, 2020 2:30pm
Paulus

I was asked last evening whether we will have a new Public Holiday for Christchurch Holocaust Day ?
Understand that full arrangements are in Committee.
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January 26, 2020 8:30am
- JackRabbit
  
  Committee: “A Cul de sac down which good ideas are lured and strangled to death.”
  
  Talking Groups: “A nepotistic committee created to delay making a decision, while strengthening a power base by the buying of jobs for votes, and spending of money in the community.”
  
  Often called working groups to make it look like something is being done. Talking groups may spend months deliberating, having extensive “business” lunches and air travel, for issues that the average businessman or farmer would make a decision on in a couple of hours.
  
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  January 26, 2020 9:09am
  - artemisia
    
    Talking groups – a mechanism for producing as many recommendations as possible, with as many as remotely feasible dollars attached, on the basis that some will actually mean members and their supporters will get some dosh handed out.
    
    Unfortunately for the Expert Welfare Talking Group
    the government only accepted changes worth $285.8 million over four years, roughly 1 per cent of what the group recommended, which worked out to be $5.2 billion a year.
    
    Diddums.
    
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    January 26, 2020 9:56am
- sooty
  
  Yep, I would go with that if we chuck maori day!
  
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  January 26, 2020 9:17am
- projectman
  
  It wasn’t a holocaust.
  
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  January 26, 2020 9:19am
- Inandout
  
  Paulus, expect an anniversary in which an upcoming election will be foremost in Jacinda’s mind. But I guess there is only so much milking that can be gained from such an event, before the milk turns sour.
  
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  January 26, 2020 9:24am
  - tf78
    
    The worst part (please forgive what I am about to say, but) if it hadn’t happened Jacinda would have absolutely nothing to show for herself. That is sad on so many fronts.
    
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    January 26, 2020 10:34am
cmm

There’s a saying: When you owe the bank $1M, you have a problem; when you owe the bank $100M, they have a problem.”

The power balance has shifted. In the first case you have little leverage against the bank, in the second case the bank really needs to work with you and make a deal.

It strikes me the same applies in the relationship between corrections, judiciary and police (or society in general) and the gangs.

Cops can’t just treat the gangs as the crims they are. They have to negotiate.

When there are arrests, it is not generally the kingpins that get pinged, but someone lower down the food chain that is annoying the gang kingpins and can be fed to the cops so that society can be placated.

Discuss.
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January 26, 2020 8:30am
- dave_c_
  
  Not a lot to discuss really !
  The NZ Police force is a farce, and are derelict in their duties.
  The NZ government is a farce, and is derelict in its’ duty to ensure the Police deliver what the populace expect.
  
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  January 26, 2020 8:40am
  - peterwn
    
    It is not a Police priority. Investigating shop staff who yell at kids is the new priority.
    
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    January 26, 2020 11:54am
    - cmm
      
      Have you no heart? A kid cried!
      
      Nothing, but nothing is a worse crime than making someone upset. Especially a mother.
      
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      January 26, 2020 7:19pm
- MCos
  
  Gangs are a worldwide problem and are referred to by different name depending on their purpose, political, religious, drug distribution, brotherhood, extortion, ethnic superiority etc. or self protection.
  So there’s mafia, drug cartels, Yakuza, triads, KKK, IRA, ISIS
  Few, if any, are eliminated by locking them all up, but it’s a lot easier to say you’re going to do that than tackle the problem from first principles.
  
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  January 26, 2020 9:15am
  - Jack5
    
    Presumably the “first principles” you refer to are attacking the alleged causes of criminality, MCos.
    
    There are conditions that create criminals,but there remain choices. Some people from deprived backgrounds, who have had terrible childhoods, who have been poor and picked on, become worthwhile, law-abiding citizens.
    
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    January 26, 2020 10:05am
  - Ruahine
    
    MCos. You may be right on gangs worldwide but at least the Queensland Government is prepared to have a go.
    
    https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/politics/queensland/new-zealand-gang-to-be-outlawed-in-queensland-20180726-p4zto5.html
    
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    January 26, 2020 11:32am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Or prospects who get brownie points.
  
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  January 26, 2020 6:10pm
Jack5

CMM, you sound like the Neville Chamberlain of law and order.

If the police, the Government, and the legal Establishment are going to run a firearms purge of the community, they have got to take firearms from the gangs.

If the police aren’t up to it, use the Army. If there aren’t enough prisons, set up detention camps.

Most important: let’s make it a top election issue, so the citizenry can decide if they want to legitimise the gangs mafia – or break them.
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January 26, 2020 8:34am
- cmm
  
  “If the police, the Government, and the legal Establishment are going to run a firearms purge of the community, they have got to take firearms from the gangs.”
  
  Oh, Jack, you are reading it so badly.
  
  What is important to Hugzilla and the cops is the perception of doing something, not actually achieving things.
  
  Tightening up gun control to “make our communities safer”.
  
  So they hit the easy targets (compliant, law abiding citizens) and lots of press releases and Hugzilla’s luvvies talk up all the wonderful things she has done about gun control. This helps #CinD4UN.
  
  They do not need to take guns away from gangs to achieve their goals.
  
  According to some estimates, 80% of prisoners are gang members. They also have a scrote army of teens that cannot be prosecuted but cause general mayhem (burglary, tagging, class disruption etc). The gangs can do what the hell they want if they wish.
  
  That forces the government to the bargaining table.
  
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  January 26, 2020 9:04am
  - JackRabbit
    
    They should have started with the gangs, anyone with a criminal record, any gun in a shared dwelling where someone has a criminal record.
    
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    January 26, 2020 9:14am
    - cmm
      
      I certainly agree. That is what they should have done. ANd that would have been hard.
      
      But the goal was never to actually make NZ safe and remove problem guns from society. The goal was to put on a show – particularly for the UN luvvies.
      
      NB: “problem guns” are not defined by their magazine size etc, but who has them. Guns are tools. A screwdriver used by a plumber is not a “problem screwdriver” but a screwdriver used by a burglar is.
      
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      January 26, 2020 9:26am
      - Debsta
        
        Well put CMM. I’m so over the bullshit, and so sad that so many just don’t see it 🙁
        
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        January 26, 2020 9:58am
  - Jack5
    
    CMM: what would the Government and the gangs be trading at the bargaining table?
    
    Immunity from prosecution? Right to carry guns? Right to trade in methamphetamine? A tobacco monopoly? Permission to run security services?
    
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    January 26, 2020 11:07am
    - cmm
      
      Jack, I don’t think it is a matter of what WOULD they bargain over so much as what they ARE bargaining over.
      
      I am not being a Chamberlaine and suggesting they should make a deal.
      
      I am more of a Churchill. I am saying they ARE already appeasing the gangs (and should not be).
      
      I’m bloody certain they are making deals with the gangs by turning a blind eye here and there, deciding who to throw under the bus when they need to make a splash.
      
      The gangs are out of control. The cops/corrections/whatever have to present a picture to us honest abiding that this is not the case.
      
      I’ll bet $100 to a servo pie there are plenty tinny houses, landmower repair shops and all sorts of other things the cops know about but do nothing about.
      
      Same with drugs, illegal goods and stand-over tactics in prisons etc.
      
      When something does grab the public eye the cops are forced to do something, they will have a wee chat with the Big Fish and, together they decide who will end up in the net (somebody that’s been a bit of a pain in the bum for Big Fish and needs “firing”). And the guy who takes the fall won’t squeal because if he does he knows he will slip on a bar of soap in the shower.
      
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      January 26, 2020 11:52am
igm

Is this the doctrine our unelected PM adheres to and holds in reverence?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/118845051/the-liberator-how-one-mans-15000-pest-fish-changed-new-zealands-waterways
They are, and never have been, any use to humanity.
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January 26, 2020 8:39am
- Stephieboy2
  
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  igm, move out of your fantasy world,
  
  From your link,
  
  Smith diligently chronicled his activities.
  
  “..According to his own records, Smith was personally responsible for liberating more than 15,000 fish between 1964 and 1987, in hundreds of distinct locations. The vast majority were in the upper North Island, between Rotorua and Kerikeri, but extend as far south as Christchurch..”
  
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  January 26, 2020 9:05am
  - JackRabbit
    
    How does “diligently chronicling his activities” make it OK?
    
    He didn’t liberate fish, he bred them.
    
    If 40 legal immigrants are captured and locked in a warehouse, and he lets them out, that’s Liberation.
    
    Illegally importing immigrants locking them up and breeding them in said warehouse and then releasing them into society, that’s a crime.
    
    Like all communists, he had no respect for law and order.
    
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    January 26, 2020 9:32am
    - igm
      
      Our PTPM shows these traits daily . . . just another commo.
      
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      January 26, 2020 4:12pm
  - Ruahine
    
    This guy was an eco-terrorist and has similarities with Greenpeace and their fellow travellers.
    Total disregard for the law and the rights of other law abiding citizens.
    
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    January 26, 2020 11:37am
- Albert_Ross
  
  You are making yourself look deranged. This man’s actions were idiotic, ignorant and profoundly damaging. But they were absolutely nothing to do with the PM and neither has she said or done anything to indicate that she’d have had any sympathy with him, his actions or his reasoning.
  
  Our PM is guilty of poor decision making and leadership failures in abundance, but she’s not responsible for every bad thing that ever happened anywhere.
  
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  January 26, 2020 9:19am
- cmm
  
  Perch are pretty good sporting fish – aggro as anything – and a reasonable substitute for large and smallmouth bass etc.
  
  The rest, especially the carp, are bad news.
  
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  January 26, 2020 9:22am
  - GoVege
    
    Fightin’ fish!!
    At least they get a fairer chance than the farmed variety…
    
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    January 26, 2020 10:54am
    - cmm
      
      I’m going to sneak into your cabbage patch and plant some Venus Flytraps!
      
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      January 26, 2020 11:55am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Another bloody communist!
  
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  January 26, 2020 9:37am
Happychappy

Tracey Watkins on Winston Peters is this the beginning of the end of the NZ First Leader so is it time to write Peters off yet. Time will tell but you can only take one side against the other for so long and it feels like Peters has played one too many hands.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/119042465/why-this-year-feels-like-the-beginning-of-the-end-for-winston-peters
You promise lies and then try to con the same people next time, Peter never intended to go into Coalition with National last election even though he led his supporters to believe he would.
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January 26, 2020 8:40am
- JackRabbit
  
  Whichever party Winston would want to go with, I believe he is never going to be able to honour all the bribes and IOU’s still out there.
  
  The Shane Jones votes for cash from the slush fund was a last ditched attempt at trying to satisfy the mobs. He is between a rock and a hard place.
  
  National will not have him, and Jacinda would be daft to consider it. She will not want him holding back for socialist plans for another 3 years.
  
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  January 26, 2020 10:18am
cmm

Greta: “No one listened to us and Trump was horrible”

WTF should anyone listen to tantrums from a 17 year old who looks like a 12 year old but acts like a three year old?

The saying “children should be seen and not heard” was written for you.
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January 26, 2020 8:41am
- Harriet
  
  We are often told that “NZ has it’s place”
  and due to it’s size “can only do so much” but not with climate change.
  With climate change NZ has to do everything, even pointless things; a moo cow tax is insignificant compared to the gains from nuclear energy. Cindy feels much safer with nuclear energy in the hands of Iranian mullahs than in the hands of her own energy Minister. 😎
  
  China and India have around 25% of the worlds population and Greta, Trudeau, Cindy and Co. wail against Trump. It’s pathetic.
  
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  January 26, 2020 8:52am
- Manolo
  
  The demented Swede has lost the plot. Her parents have a lot to answer for!
  
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  January 26, 2020 10:29am
  - cmm
    
    The poor girl is doing exactly what she is being told.
    
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    January 26, 2020 11:57am
- Hollyfield
  
  She (and her minders) are so convinced they are right they cannot comprehend anyone having a different idea. Their entitled thinking leads them into feeling they can make demands and the world will obey.
  They would do better to remember:
  1. “How to Win Friends and Influence People” Dale Carnegie
  2. You catch more flies with honey than vinegar
  
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  January 26, 2020 12:00pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    1. excellent book
    2. a summery of what’s in it.
    
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    January 26, 2020 12:56pm
- Sacha
  
  And its Mister Trump, or, President Trump. If you are respectful, and mannerly.
  
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  January 26, 2020 2:28pm
Yvette

This being the Ardern declared Year Of Political truth, does she have to now answer questions truthfully, even if they apply to a year or two earlier?

I refer you to Ardern’s acceptance of the End Oil And Gas Exploration petition on the steps of Parliament, which was a Greenpeace petition, but Greenpeace featured only in spoken name as far as one could tell.
Otherwise it was four enormous photo placards, reminiscent visually of a Nazi rally so much did Labours red, white and black dominate, including “placard chicks” dressed in the Party’s colours.
Who paid for the placards?
Who authorised the total Labour imagery and wording used?
And as it appeared to be a Labour presentation was that why it was so essential the Ardern front it, even to the extent of delaying a State luncheon for President Joko Widodo, which in fact had an “impromptu” value masking to some extent the time and planning that must have gone into Labour’s presentation of a Greenpeace petition.
And it appears Greenpeace postcards inviting people to sign the petition were also Labour imagery, with Ardern portrait photo on them and Labour colours.

Will Labour truthfully comment on any of this now?
Will Labour confess now that in 2017 they did not campaign on doing this?
It was not in the coalition agreement.
They did not consult on this.
Initial decisions were outside of Cabinet.
And it was stated to be part of a plan to transition away for fossil fuels, but there was no actual publicised PLAN – only aspirations.

And did New Zealand First allow this to happen in horse-trading of policies to get Winston’s paranoiac waka-jumping law past the post?

Year of Truth, or year of the Rat?
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January 26, 2020 8:52am
- JackRabbit
  
  Same with the plastic bag ban. She visited schools and scared the shit out of them, so they signed the petition. It’s called hijacking the narrative.
  
  The kg quantity of plastic in bags sold into the community has increased, the original bags were never single use, and NZ never had a problem with plastic bags.
  
  Banning plastic bag use in NZ, when China and India have the problem, is equivalent to banning Jews from drinking in beers halls because the average German drinks way too much beer.
  
  Virtue signalling.
  
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  January 26, 2020 9:38am
  - Sydney Alvarado
    
    And the stupidity. I can go to mitre 10 and buy hundreds of plastic bags of all sizes. But they are not allowed “handles” to make them more functional.
    
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    January 26, 2020 9:58am
    - tf78
      
      If you fold a plastic bag in half and a couple of inches from the top, cut a 3 inch slit, open it up and you have a bag with handles – works very well.
      
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      January 26, 2020 10:44am
  - Ruahine
    
    Just keep this in mind folks when you next meet a Labour or Green adherent. Just think of the One Billion dollars per year that we have signed up to give to the leech like IPCC.
    
    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/06/90-of-plastic-polluting-our-oceans-comes-from-just-10-rivers/
    
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    January 26, 2020 11:45am
    - Tall Man
      
      Easy fix then… just stick a couple of skips on the side of the river mouth and one of those plastic into diesel machines that Sean Plunkett is selling 😉
      
      Job done! (sarc for the stupid… you know who you are… maybe you don’t!)
      
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      January 26, 2020 1:51pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      If you show that photo on that link it freaks some school kids and adults out.
      
      But consider this:
      1) As it says, 90% comes from 10 rivers, and technology has been developed that could used to catch all the plastic and process it.
      2) Many months before Stuff removed the upticks / downticks from their comments, they also blocked any comments that suggested there were solutions for managing plastic, and a specific absence of any articles regarding same. Including:
      3) The plastic catcher as in 1)
      4) The used of recycled plastic bags in creating resins and plastic for roading.
      5) The same process as in 4) being used in some Nike shoes.
      6) The discovery in Japan that nature created its own evolutionary solution: an enzyme that eats plastic and breaks it down to a usable state. And that enzyme is being developed into a usable product in both the USA and Japan.
      
      It is far more “news” worthy to bleat on about evil plastic bags, than to publish the relatively “bland” story that the plastic problem is going away.
      
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      January 26, 2020 2:46pm
- Tall Man
  
  You want ardern to tell the truth?
  
  You don’t expect much do you 😉
  
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  January 26, 2020 10:31am
  - Yvette
    
    Tall Man, it is Jacinda who has volunteered –
    
    Jacinda Ardern calls for ‘factual and positive’ New Zealand election campaign
    The New Zealand prime minister, Jacinda Ardern, says she is committed to making the coming general election campaign “positive, factual and robust” and has pledged to fight the online spread of misinformation.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/23/jacinda-ardern-calls-for-factual-and-positive-new-zealand-election-campaign
    
    – you’d not doubt that, would you?
    
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    January 26, 2020 11:37am
    - Tall Man
      
      “would you?”…….
      
      “Nah, of course not” says the gullible lefty 😉
      
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      January 26, 2020 1:47pm
chaos

* The pneumonia-causing illness that infects the respiratory tract was responsible for at least 41 deaths in Central China, with 15 new fatalities as of Saturday, and more than 1,370 cases, with 400 new cases identified by Chinese health officials. On Saturday, the trade association of Chinese travel agencies also said that it would suspend overseas tour groups and flight/hotel vacation packages for Chinese citizens, effective Monday.

The outbreak spread rapidly over the last seven days. It has infected people in Hong Kong, Australia, Malaysia, Thailand, France, Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam, Singapore, South Korea, Macao and Nepal.*

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/china-announces-400-new-coronavirus-cases-bringing-worldwide-total-to-1370-suspends-all-overseas-tour-groups-2020-01-25
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January 26, 2020 8:54am
- chaos
  
  * An expert advisor to the World Health Organization (WHO) has described the coronavirus outbreak as potentially “thermonuclear pandemic level bad”.
  
  Dozens have been killed by the virus 2019-nCoV since it was first detected in early December, and as of Sunday morning (NZ time) there were 1441 confirmed cases.
  
  But research into the disease – which at present has no vaccine, and might not for months – has doctors worried. Some have estimated for every person that gets infected, they will infect up to four more……
  
  “HOLY MOTHER OF GOD,” Dr Eric Feigl-Ding wrote on his Twitter account on hearing the news.
  
  “It is thermonuclear pandemic level bad… I’m not exaggerating.”*
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2020/01/harvard-expert-calls-coronavirus-outbreak-thermonuclear-pandemic-level-bad.html
  
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  January 26, 2020 9:00am
- Stephieboy2
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Two appraches to the Coronavirus :One fact and evidence-based as for example Kim Hill’s interview with consultant virologist at Cambridge University’s Dr Chris Smith .,
  
  Coronavirus latest: virologist Chris Smith
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/saturday/audio/2018731235/coronavirus-latest-virologist-chris-smith
  
  The other hysteria and panic based with some lashings of Chinaphobia and China baiting nonsensical conspiracy theories with loaded /emotive “thermonuclear”language eg,
  
  QAnon Supporters And Anti-Vaxxers Are Spreading A Hoax That Bill Gates Created The Coronavirus
  It has no basis in reality, but that hasn’t slowed its spread across Facebook and Twitter.
  
  https://www.google.co.nz/amp/s/www.buzzfeednews.com/amphtml/ryanhatesthis/qanon-supporters-and-anti-vaxxers-are-spreading-a-hoax-that
  
  Which one do you choose? And why?
  
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  January 26, 2020 9:10am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    When medical staff treating sick patients start dying from the disease, then there’s a damn good reason to be concerned.
    
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    January 26, 2020 9:38am
  - chaos
    
    Please don’t post your crap on my posts, this has nothing to do with qanon and the people that follow it, I realise this is your usual method to try and distract the topic and lower it to your mentality, but fuck off with your stupidity. This has nothing to do with your antivaxxer and qanon bullshit
    
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    January 26, 2020 9:38am
    - JackRabbit
      
      Yes its a typical tactic by the left. Associate good something with something bad to make the good look bad.
      
      e.g. “Those against the idea of Man Made Climate Change are all flat-earth idiots.”
      
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      January 26, 2020 10:06am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Moderators and DPF
      
      This is not the first time stephieboy and other trolls have tried to associate some commenters on KB with antivaxxing.
      
      Clearly, the trolls want KB to be recognised as an anti-vax blog site.
      
      It’s not my blog, and DPF might find these types of smear tactics acceptable, I don’t.
      
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      January 26, 2020 10:15am
      - Stephieboy2
        
        MW, I suggest listen to Dr Chris Smith and learn something.
        
        For example he makes the point that if the Coronavirus were to appear on the doostep of our public hospitals then protocols and procedures would be immediately adopted created for the SARS virus to contain the infection.
        
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        January 26, 2020 10:29am
      - Tall Man
        
        Maggy, that was my plan when I was listing “ardern is a liar”.
        
        The google search engine didn’t take long for the phrase to be a simple search landing on Kiwiblog.
        
        This is the result now.
        
        https://duckduckgo.com/?q=ardern+is+a+liar&t=braveed&ia=videos
        
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        January 26, 2020 10:37am
      - tf78
        
        Maggy, when I see those idiot’s names I just scroll right past and ignore totally – very satisfactory way to deal with them.
        
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        January 26, 2020 10:48am
      - JackRabbit
        
        Even the antivaxxing movement itself is screwed up, and a form of labellism. There is a difference between vaccinations such as polio, measles, tetanus, and vaccinations you need to have to travel, and vaccinations that some people have allergies to, and that have caused death, and permanent conditions, and Anaphylactic Paralysis or shock.
        
        The drug companies do not always get things right, as we know from thalidomide disaster. The labeling of anyone an anti-vaxxer because of allergies or intolerance to vaccines is abominable.
        
        Some people cannot eat peanuts, kiwi-fruit or red peppers without going into anaphylactic shock. But we do not label these people nutjobs or crazy people.
        
        Tolerance of other people, their beliefs, and their values, seems to be in short supply among trolls.
        
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        January 26, 2020 11:01am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        @Stephieboy. Do us a favour, get the virus and see what pans out, I’ll pay for the one way airplane tickets.
        
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        January 26, 2020 5:51pm
  - The only red for me is that of Manchester United
    
    Sinophobia is the correct term. Not “Chinaphobia”.
    
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    January 26, 2020 10:45am
    - Kiwi Dave
      
      Perhaps Sb2 worries about those with an irrational fear of willow pattern crockery.
      
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      January 26, 2020 2:03pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Bill gates has a stake in the patent of the offending virus.
    
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    January 26, 2020 1:20pm
    - chaos
      
      Different Coronavirus strain
      
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      January 26, 2020 1:51pm
- chaos
  
  A good article, which considering the measles epidemic we should actually seriously consider
  
  * If this new coronavirus does become established in New Zealand we should work with Pacific nations to consider exit screening or even suspending air flights from New Zealand to give them more time to prepare for this epidemic.*
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/119021551/what-does-the-coronavirus-epidemic-mean-for-new-zealand
  
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  January 26, 2020 10:31am
  - Jack5
    
    Don’t Pacific nations have the ability themselves to suspend flights from New Zealand?
    
    Isn’t it condescending and “colonialist” to do this for them?
    
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    January 26, 2020 11:01am
    - chaos
      
      Whose doing it for them, says work with with them
      
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      January 26, 2020 11:13am
      - Jack5
        
        Can’t see why Tonga, Western Samoa, Fiji, and the Cook Islands couldn’t themselves just block incoming international flights.
        
        If NZ wants to block inbound international flights surely it doesn’t have to get the permission of the countries of origin.
        
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        January 26, 2020 5:36pm
Yvette

New Zealand First MP Tracey Martin is defending the controversial climate change teaching resource despite her colleagues speaking out against it for telling students to eat less meat.
Martin, Associate Education Minister, posted a video to her Facebook page explaining how eating less meat was a reality for her growing up because her family couldn’t always afford it.
“I’m really not sure what the drama is… I’m really not sure when for many New Zealanders part of having days where you don’t eat meat is a reality because they can’t afford the meat.”

Surely an argument similar to that is when Golriz was nine years old, her parents became refugees by their own choice, had family already here in Auckland – family re-unification – and Immigration’s greatest concern – by Golriz’ recount – was “did they have any fruit with them”?

And even less relevant is when considerable numbers of people develop an imagined past – like supposed colonialism – and allow that to direct their present and indeed future.

I really can’t see what one member of Parliament’s family’s inability to afford meat or not, while she was growing up, has to do with with any assessment of the general wisdom of young New Zealanders to eat meat in their diet now.

The year of Truth, versus year of Falsividy.
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January 26, 2020 9:08am
- Gravelroad
  
  The difference is that now children (and the rest of us) are being “told” by people in “authority” what not to eat.
  Back in the day some of us might not have eaten meat every day – but that was not by choice. Some families could not afford it, but would have chosen a meat based dinner every day if they could.
  Ms Martin needs to lay off the self justification for the CoL campaign to regulate our lives completely right down to what we are allowed to eat.
  Comparing today’s situation with that of the 1950’s/6o’s is lacking in intelligence and suggests a desire to re-write history.
  PS- the historical access to meat, even if it was just a rabbit, is one reason why people don’t like farmers and rural based people.
  And they had guns you know.
  
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  January 26, 2020 9:50am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Clearly Tracy Martin hasn’t read the 2 resources on Climate Change for Teachers.
    
    There’s more to worry about in those documents than just a call against regular meat eating.
    
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    January 26, 2020 10:19am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  “Falsividy”? Sounds slightly Clockwork Orange-esque, my little Droogy. Then again, the CoL do often make me feel all queasy in me gulliver.
  
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  January 26, 2020 10:44am
- Paulus
  
  Assume Gharahman’s Iranian hidden refugee friend Behrouz Bouhani will go Meat Free until he is arrested – haha what a laugh.
  
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  January 26, 2020 10:47am
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More fact, reasoned and evidenced-based info ,

Coronavirus: How worried should we be?

“A virus – previously unknown to science – is causing severe lung disease in China and has also been detected in other countries.

At least 41 people are known to have died from the virus, which appeared in the Chinese city of Wuhan in December.

There are already hundreds of confirmed cases, and experts expect the number will keep rising.

A new virus arriving on the scene, leaving patients with pneumonia, is always a worry and health officials around the world are on high alert.

But is this a brief here-today-gone-tomorrow outbreak, or the first sign of something far more dangerous?….”

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-51048366
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January 26, 2020 9:18am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You’ve posted something 2 days old… The situation has changed!
  Start looking at some information closer to the scene
  
  Hong Kong has declared an emergency
  Xi Jinping says the spread of the virus is accelerating
  https://www.businessinsider.com.au/xi-jinping-warned-that-china-spread-of-coronavirus-is-accelerating-2020-1?r=US&IR=T
  
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  January 26, 2020 9:52am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    This may be interesting
    
    https://electroverse.net/the-u-s-scientist-who-predicted-coronavirus-could-kill-65-million-people/
    
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    January 26, 2020 10:03am
    - Stephieboy2
      
      From your link,
      
      “Scientists at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security modeled a hypothetical pandemic on a computer as part of research last October — their simulation predicted the deaths of some 65 million people worldwide in just 18 months….”
      
      Lots of hypothetical coulds and maybes .
      
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      January 26, 2020 10:34am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        Exactly the language of the IPCC….
        
        I did say this may be interesting…. But then of course, you are not great at nuance….
        
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        January 26, 2020 11:20am
  - Stephieboy2
    
    MW, update from the BBC 11 hours ago with a comprehensive and detailed advisory !
    
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51249717
    
    No need to press a hysteria button alert yet!
    
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    January 26, 2020 2:58pm
    - chaos
      
      People are having a conversation, I realise you don’t like or understand that, but enough of your crap of attacking people for it. No one is pushing the hysteria button, no one is panicking, it is a conversation . Now stop having little personal attacks at people
      
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      January 26, 2020 4:43pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Oh chaos,
        haven’t you realised that I am a mere female?
        
        I really can’t go around posting crap on this blog without guidance from stephieboy and his mate(s).
        
        Hell’s bells … nec minit, I’ll be posting stuff from someone who failed to complete university or some other horror.
        
        Jeez, if we didn’t stephieboy have stalking my every post on this blog, just imagine how far off the rails I could go.
        
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        January 26, 2020 6:20pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        See…
        I’m already heading off the rails…
        I meant to write:
        
        Jeez, if we didn’t have stephieboy stalking my every post on this blog, just imagine how far off the rails I could go.
        
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        January 26, 2020 6:22pm
      - chaos
        
        He does seem to struggle with females huh.
        
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        January 26, 2020 6:46pm
- JackRabbit
  
  There have been flu epidemics going on for centuries.
  
  1). You have to put this latest virus in context with all cold causing viruses, and the flu. In 2018 – 2019, in the USA, every hour, 24 hours a day, 365 days of the year, 4 people died of the flu, and between 50-80 people were hospitalised.
  
  https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html
  
  2). The precautions you take with this flu, are the same you take to avoid any flu infections. The risk of fatality is linked to your immunity levels.
  
  https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/about/prevention.html
  https://www.webmd.com/lung/coronavirus#1
  
  3). With Air travel there is always a risk of infection. All modern aircraft have HEPA filters through which the air passes when being recirculated, however it does not stop infection from those sitting close to you, before the air goes through the filters.
  
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  January 26, 2020 9:57am
  - tf78
    
    I can’t understand why they don’t check people’s temperatures before they get on the plane instead of when the plane has landed and people could have been infected during the flight.
    
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    January 26, 2020 10:52am
    - chaos
      
      It’s the way of China. Remember they let everyone know they were shutting some cities down so people could get out of them. Apparently Chinese with the virus are posting online videos of them escaping the cities still. Now they have given notice that air travel in large groups will stop on Monday. That’s good, gives more people chance to get out.
      
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      January 26, 2020 11:12am
    - Stephieboy2
      
      The trouble there are many , many illnesses where people run a temperature . A heat sensor cant make distinctions or diagnosis !
      
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      January 26, 2020 11:41am
      - cmm
        
        So now we’re getting medical advice from Dr Stephie with SFA biological understanding.
        
        Dude. This is a first step in a screening process, not the last step.
        
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        January 26, 2020 12:03pm
rightoverlabour

Download this (benefits of CO2) and read it to your children before the indoctrination begins

https://www.thegwpf.org/content/uploads/2015/10/benefits1.pdf
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January 26, 2020 9:34am
Fletch

One of the best signs from the March for Life yesterday…

https://i.postimg.cc/qqffCJZ1/83600923-10157644707310042-7024994929067687936-n.jpg
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January 26, 2020 9:42am
Steve James

Ebola is natures way of thinning out the population for the survival of humanity in that region. Leave it alone or in fifty years when most of us are dead the African population in particular will have spilled out and taken over the world.
Except for China, Russia and India because I suspect they will have no scruples about culling the invaders at the border.
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January 26, 2020 9:49am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Would refusing to supply easily provided medical help to Africa in the hope that a disease will kill millions count as genocide?
  
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  January 26, 2020 12:52pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Although as usual you opted for the smartarse comment I’ll give you a serious answer.
    
    Talk to anyone about the difficulty in actually delivering aid in Africa.
    
    The bleating advertisements begging for money never show the reality for the aid workers dealing with what are probably the most corrupt governments and countries on the planet. From what I am aware off I would hate to estimate the fraction of aid that actually gets into the right place at the right time.
    
    Perhaps mentioning that twyford was involved with one may give you a clue of the level of ineptitude bearing in mind that he was at the top of the food chain not the pointy end.
    
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    January 26, 2020 1:40pm
    - cmm
      
      Correct.
      
      For aid organisations to get permission to work in various areas, they normally have to pay various bribes.
      Then, again, more bribes to dock officials etc handling the arrival of containers (or outright theft).
      
      For an aid convoy to get through various warlord checkpoints, they will typically have to pay “taxes”.
      
      The aid organisations show these on their books as “operating expenses”, “transport expenses” etc. If they disclosed them as what they really are, bribes and extortion, then less people would donate.
      
      So your $1 a day to feed a child ends up with 10-20c actually getting through.
      
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      January 26, 2020 7:30pm
- Stephieboy2
  
  Steve James , out of interest who will you be voting for come September that best meeets racist preferences?
  
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  January 26, 2020 2:52pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    any party you don’t vote for.
    
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    January 26, 2020 5:54pm
  - Steve James
    
    Your mother!
    
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    January 26, 2020 6:08pm
  - cmm
    
    stephie: As perhaps the most racist person on KB, perhaps you could tell us?
    
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    January 26, 2020 7:31pm
Maggie Pie

O.M.G.another fab day here in paradise. Went out for a row sat on the paddle-board early this morning, earphones in, tranny held firmly between my legs. Sooo relaxing.
We had a few of the neighbors over for a wine and a beach barbie last night.. That’s always a real hoot. We played a little game where you had to “Name something from your childhood that you don’t see any more”. My partner absolutely cracked everyone up when he said “white dog shit” LOL!!!!
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January 26, 2020 10:09am
- chaos
  
  *tranny held firmly between my legs*
  
  Are you in bangkok watching the ladyboys again?
  
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  January 26, 2020 10:39am
- Rich Prick
  
  The white dust clouds when you hit one with the mower are not missed at all.
  
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  January 26, 2020 11:05am
  - sooty
    
    Hitting fresh ones are not joyful, either!
    
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    January 26, 2020 12:26pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      😀
      
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      January 26, 2020 1:33pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  “Name something from your childhood that you don’t see any more”
  full employment
  taking responsibility for your OWN actions
  parents taking responsibility for the feeding and upbringing of their OWN children
  Have all the”school pools” closed?
  Too serious?
  
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  January 26, 2020 12:43pm
  - chaos
    
    Not yet, a couple around here that even shock horror give the parents a key if they want to use it over summer
    
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    January 26, 2020 1:12pm
- Scooter
  
  Jellie donuts at the tuck shop, long hot summers
  
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  January 27, 2020 12:48am
RW Capitalist

Billy Joel to greta thunberg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKfaKdFsFds
Could add
Afghanistan
9/11
ISIS
al qaeda
Iran
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January 26, 2020 10:12am
- Fletch
  
  Climate change, Brexit,
  I can’t take the bullshit.
  Democrat, Impeachment crap,
  coronavirus on the rise.
  
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  January 26, 2020 2:05pm
Hugh Pavletich

… CHINA … CORONAVIRUS …

China’s Omnivorous Markets Are in the Eye of a Lethal Outbreak Once Again … Steven Lee Myers … The New York Times

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/25/world/asia/china-markets-coronavirus-sars.html

The coronavirus that has spread from Wuhan has been linked to the sale of live wildlife at a market that experts describe as a perfect incubator for novel pathogens.

LANGFANG, China — The typical market in China has fruits and vegetables, butchered beef, pork and lamb, whole plucked chickens — with heads and beaks attached — and live crabs and fish, spewing water out of churning tanks. Some sell more unusual fare, including live snakes, turtles and cicadas, guinea pigs, bamboo rats, badgers, hedgehogs, otters, palm civets, even wolf cubs.

The markets are fixtures in scores of Chinese cities, and now, for at least the second time in two decades, they are the source of an epidemic that has spread fear, taxed the Communist Party bureaucracy and exposed the epidemiological risks that can spawn in places where humans and wildlife converge. … read more via hyperlink above …
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Coronavirus Live Updates: China Suspends Tours Abroad as Xi Warns of ‘Grave Situation’ … The New York Times

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/25/world/asia/china-coronavirus.html
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January 26, 2020 10:50am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Is Beijing suppressing the true scale of infections? Nurse treating coronavirus sufferers in China claims 90,000 people have already been infected … Daily Mail
  
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7929657/Nurse-treating-coronavirus-sufferers-China-claims-90-000-people-infected.html
  
  Scientist who simulated the global impact of a coronavirus outbreak says ‘the cat’s already out of the bag’ and calls China’s efforts to contain the disease ‘unlikely to be effective’ … Marketwatch
  
  https://www.marketwatch.com/story/scientist-who-simulated-the-global-impact-of-a-coronavirus-outbreak-says-the-cats-already-out-of-the-bag-and-chinas-efforts-to-contain-the-disease-unlikely-to-be-effective-2020-01-24?mod=MW_story_top_stories
  
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  January 26, 2020 6:19pm
Tall Man

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12303332

So they were embarrassed and humiliated because Thai Airways told them they were too fat to fit in the business class seats so demanded a full refund…. Then went to a national newspaper to have their identity broadcast to those in the country that weren’t on the flight and missed the memo about their obesity.

We often travel business class with Thai and every ticket I have received has the weight/size restriction listed in the conditions of travel and yes, those three would have sat on the armrests and looked like corks popping out of a bottle.
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January 26, 2020 10:58am
- chaos
  
  Beggars belief huh. And to claim they were discriminated, no, the design of the plane was such those seatbelts couldn’t fit you.
  
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  January 26, 2020 11:10am
  - sooty
    
    They had the tickets for the wrong section of the plane!
    They should have been seated in the cargohold, or buy a row each!
    
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    January 26, 2020 12:23pm
    - DigNap15
      
      Or in a Hercules, or one of those large Russian helicopters.
      
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      January 26, 2020 4:03pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  Don’t american airlines offer you the ability to buy 2 seats (adjacent) to sit in.
  Just thinking, it would be hilarious if they sold you 2 non adjacent seats.
  
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  January 26, 2020 12:47pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Just like Lange, a foot in Auckland and foot in Wellington. Shame about Taupo!
    
    It wouldn’t be easy in the 787!
    
    https://www.thaiairways.com/en_TH/experience_my_thai/our_aircraft/seating/seating-B787-900.page?tab1
    
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    January 26, 2020 1:32pm
- Scooter
  
  Ffs who would want to be behind them in an emergency.
  
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  January 27, 2020 12:56am
Tall Man

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12303332

Great. More evidence that the police are now merely the enforcement arm of the left. Pathetic.
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January 26, 2020 11:05am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  wrong link?
  
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  January 26, 2020 11:14am
  - Tall Man
    
    That’s it, I’m going back to bed ?
    
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    January 26, 2020 11:50am
- Tall Man
  
  Oops.
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/01/extinction-rebellion-encouraged-after-police-drop-activist-s-charges.html
  
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  January 26, 2020 11:49am
MrTips

Real data from the early stages of the coronavirus outbreak. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30183-5/fulltext

Two major things of import 1) clearly started from a dodgy seafood market 2) has a death rate of 15%.

Buckle up folks.
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January 26, 2020 11:23am
- RW Capitalist
  
  HIV/AIDS is a global pandemic. As of 2017, approximately 36.9 million people are infected with HIV globally. In 2018, approximately 43% are women. There were about 940,000 deaths from AIDS in 2017.
  death rate of approx. 3%
  Do ya think that dear old mother nature is trying to tell us something?
  
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  January 26, 2020 12:37pm
  - Fletch
    
    I always think about these lines from a Joni Mitchell song…
    
    If you’re smart or rich or lucky
    Maybe you’ll beat the laws of man
    But the inner laws of spirit
    And the outer laws of nature
    No man can
    
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    January 26, 2020 2:14pm
  - Stephieboy2
    
    RWCapitalist , just follow the sumple rules about protected sex and you will be fine.
    
    In other words, don’t foget your condoms if cruising !
    
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    January 26, 2020 3:05pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      and if you think condoms give 100% protection from AIDS, feel free to cruise mate….maybe just do your cruising in China…..
      
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      January 26, 2020 5:57pm
- Pharmachick
  
  Yup. I would add a 7 -10 day incubation period when people are wandering round infectious but unknowing. By contrast SARS was 3-5 days… but SARS was more lethal – almost 30%
  
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  January 26, 2020 3:10pm
  - MrTips
    
    SARS was actual fatal in ~10%. And what’s interesting is that the diagnostic platforms based on SARS and MERS are allowing more rapid Dx of 2019 nCOV. I guess it’s possible to take antiviral into Ph1 to expedited Ph3 under FDA fast track, we’ll see. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2759815
    
    The real issue is the data from China. That and the fact that Guangdong province clearly doesn’t give a fat rats about eating bats despite being the focal for SARS and now this.
    
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    January 26, 2020 8:32pm
    - Pharmachick
      
      I stand corrected on the fatality rate – it was much lower in the developed world than Asia.
      
      Any idea if amantadine etc have been tried – they must have by now.
      
      “The real issue is the data from China” … same as it ever was my friend.
      
      Also you might be interested in this, Lancet is doing a great job: https://www.thelancet.com/coronavirus
      
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      January 27, 2020 8:37am
KH

It has started. Coronavirus opportunities. I just saw a public health person say the government should have invested more in (drumroll) public health.
I think what should have happened was the public health service worked hard. Even by the low standards of the overall heath industry, they are regarded as useless.
Get to the airport people, get screening. Oh wait. You forgot to buy those screening gizmos. Well lets have a hui then.
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January 26, 2020 12:46pm
- chaos
  
  Our public health are useless? No they aren’t and they already work hard with little thanks from many and shit pay for what they do
  
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  January 26, 2020 3:34pm
  - MrTips
    
    Our public health workers are very good. Our public health researchers however…….
    
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    January 26, 2020 8:34pm
rightoverlabour

Great advice from NIWA.

“it’s strongly recommended to not drink or touch the pink water and stay away from it because some red tides can actually release toxic fumes.”

Who drinks seawater these days?

May be don’t swim in it or swallow it would be better advice. But this is NIWA who have drunk the Climate Change Coolaid…..
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January 26, 2020 12:54pm
Northshore

Tall Man – they have a name for your infatuation with Jacinda Ardern. It is called Jacindamania.
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January 26, 2020 1:54pm
- Tall Man
  
  Ha ha, yep she’s my hero alright.
  
  Got a name for your condition as well ….. Shame about those mods.
  
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  January 26, 2020 4:53pm
  - chaos
    
    Have you played Jacindamania? Try it, every time she tells a lie put $1 in a savings account, within a short time watch it grow, enough to retire Before the election
    
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    January 26, 2020 6:27pm
Swifty

Just for a laugh.

A reminder of who, until recently, UK Labour thought suitable for the role of UK Home Secretary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYZ262b7wBI

Snigger. 🙂
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January 26, 2020 2:11pm
- Tall Man
  
  To be fair Swifty, if you put ardern up for an interview without pre-loading the questions I doubt she would do much better.
  
  Having interviews with pre-determined questions robs us of the opportunity to judge.
  
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  January 26, 2020 9:45pm
All_on_Red

Quite well done Parody
https://mobile.twitter.com/republicangold/status/1221213091096080384
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January 26, 2020 2:12pm
chaos

Nothing worse than a group of idiots who get hurty feelings and try to destroy a business rather than grow up

*A Palmerston North cafe has suffered a storm of social media backlash after riling up parents with a notice telling them to change their children’s nappies elsewhere.

A group of young mothers and their friends posted a flurry of negative reviews and comments about Barley Cafe on Facebook and Trip Advisor on Friday after being angered by a notice on the bathroom door encouraging them not to change their children’s’ nappies at the cafe, and instead use the nearby shopping mall. *

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/small-business/119044054/palmerston-north-cafe-barley-reviewbombed-by-parents-offended-by-nappy-ban-sign
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January 26, 2020 3:11pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  It’s a vegan café run by a nutcase wo who gives a flying fuck what happens to it?
  
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  January 26, 2020 9:44pm
  - chaos
    
    Ah got ya, you have no respect for a businesses being harassed if you don’t agree with what they sell, sad.
    
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    January 26, 2020 10:01pm
chaos

Bit late for those already in the country

*

Public health staff will start meeting flights from China tomorrow to look for signs of coronavirus among arriving passengers.

Health Minister David Clark said the extra measures were being taken following the arrival of the disease in Australia, via flights directly from the city of Wuhan.*

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12303521
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January 26, 2020 3:12pm
- chaos
  
  * A nurse wearing a protective suit and face mask treating the sick in Wuhan has claimed that 90,000 people have already been infected by the coronavirus in China – far more than the figure of just 1,975 issued by government officials.
  
  Her warning from the heart of the outbreak emerged as the Chinese government faced accusations of censoring criticism of its handling of the disease in order to play down the crisis.
  
  The outbreak of the new virus originated in China, where it has infected more than 1,970 people and killed 56, and has spread worldwide.
  
  Speaking in video footage seen online, the unnamed woman says: ‘I’m in the area where the coronavirus started. I’m here to tell the truth. At this moment, Hubei province, including Wuhan area, even China, 90,000 people have been infected by coronavirus.’*
  
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7929657/Nurse-treating-coronavirus-sufferers-China-claims-90-000-people-infected.html
  
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  January 26, 2020 4:44pm
- chaos
  
  Interesting, I was listening to a video last night, a lady talking about how in her area five people dropped dead, they had no sign of anything wrong.
  
  * New research on the Wuhan coronavirus has found the virus may be present in the lungs of individuals with no obvious symptoms, making strict quarantine and contact-tracing regimes crucial to preventing the number of cases from reaching the scale of the 2003 Sars outbreak.
  
  Without close surveillance, these patients – described by researchers as “cryptic cases of walking pneumonia” – could prove to be yet another factor in the dangerous trajectory of the Wuhan virus, with the number of infections and countries affected rising rapidly.*
  
  https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3047636/doctors-warn-china-coronavirus-carriers-may-show-no-symptoms
  
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  January 26, 2020 5:23pm
- chaos
  
  * Virologist who helped identify SARS on coronavirus outbreak: ‘This time I’m scared’*
  
  https://news.yahoo.com/virologist-helped-identify-sars-coronavirus-225800266.html
  
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  January 26, 2020 5:24pm
- KH
  
  Typical waffle reassurance. “Meet planes and look for”
  Do they have equipment? If so which equipment? What if they identify an issue – whats the next step?
  I would be happier if they explained detail and organisation. But knowing public health folk they probably havn’t got it.
  
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  January 26, 2020 5:40pm
secondcumming

The only bloke I knew who was really into a *Chinese Takeaway* was
Mayor Len Brown…….well fuck that, I’ll be stickin’ with KFC 😎

https://twitter.com/CABRAXAS10/status/1221180322185760768
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January 26, 2020 3:43pm
DeepBlue

I’ve been trying to think what National did really well during their nine years in government. We keep hearing on social media the bad things eg sold social housing, increased immigration, increased GST, but if Jacinda wants facts, what are good facts for National that swing voters need reminding about? Ones that can’t just be countered with a negative spin.
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January 26, 2020 5:44pm
- Tall Man
  
  https://www.quora.com/Has-John-Keys-leadership-been-good-for-New-Zealand
  
  A few positives and a few left biased negatives.
  
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  January 26, 2020 9:54pm
rightoverlabour

Hmm just for Climate Alarmists and virus deniers like Stephieboy….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CijE6QvQClI
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January 26, 2020 6:45pm
rightoverlabour

I’ll buy one. Do you get any ammo?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/119010120/defence-force-struggling-to-find-a-buyer-for-30-unwanted-armoured-vehicles
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January 26, 2020 8:35pm
Michael NZ

Does anyone else have a limited no of upticks to give out.

I’ve done 5 and the system won’t let me do any more?
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January 26, 2020 9:30pm
Fletch

Sign the petition calling for airport screening in NZ.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/01/coronavirus-petition-calls-for-airport-screening-in-new-zealand.html

https://www.change.org/p/airports-new-zealand-start-screening-in-nz-for-the-coronavirus-outbreak
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January 26, 2020 9:47pm
Hugh Pavletich

CHINA … CORONAVIRUS

China coronavirus ‘spreads before symptoms show’ – BBC News

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jAWPcyPFQc

China’s Omnivorous Markets Are in the Eye of a Lethal Outbreak Once Again … Steven Lee Myers … The New York Times

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/25/world/asia/china-markets-coronavirus-sars.html
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January 27, 2020 4:24am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Retailers, manufacturers shutting doors, letting employees work from home as Wuhan viral outbreak spreads … SCMP
  
  https://www.scmp.com/business/companies/article/3047591/retailers-manufacturers-shutting-doors-letting-employees-work
  
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