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CJames

A very good strategic ploy by the US Republican Party with great rat cunning. Is Dominic Cummings moonlighting? They have selected a Trump supporting Iraqi refugee woman ,Dalia al Aqidi, to stand against Ilhan Oman for the 5th District House seat in Minnesota. That will force the Democrats to strongly support Oman or cut her loose. Either way is a win for the GoP. The Dems can then all be portrayed as hating America – great inspiration for flyover state voters, or without unity. The Republicans definitely want to take the house back and a win here would be a prize scalp. Even if they don’t win, there could be good swings in other seats because of it.
Dalia has a high production value promo out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJhtFh4NCXI&feature=youtu.be so I suspect there will be a lot of money spent on just this race. Maybe Ilman ought to try to get a celebrity endorsement from Jacinda or even Goliz as the cut-rate option. I am sure that will go down well.
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January 25, 2020 8:00am
Scott

Chris Hipkins the minister of education is radically revamping education. Religious education becomes downgraded, parents now have to opt in for their children to receive religious education. But the new religion of climate change and socialism will be taught and given a massive boost.

That’s what socialists do. They push utopian dreams of heaven on earth while attacking actual heaven. Socialists don’t like anything not under their control and so always attack religion and eventually the church.

Now why is climate change actually socialism you might ask? Climate change is about the central obsession of the left, equality. Because of climate change the richer first world countries must slow down their economies and become carbon neutral and stifle economic growth. Meanwhile 3rd world countries like India get a free pass and can happily carry on polluting. Also China gets a free pass.

The result is that China and India will go up while America and other western nations go down. Hence equality. The socialist dream is realised. And that’s what will be taught in our schools under labour. The new religion of socialism and global warming.
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January 25, 2020 8:01am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  What’s wrong with parents having the right to opt in for their children to get religious ‘education’?
  
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  January 25, 2020 8:23am
  - Steve Todd
    
    Excellent question, mikenmildagain. Don’t expect Scott to reply any time soon.
    
    As for “[…] while attacking actual heaven.” For goodness sake! Fortunately for the rest of us, Scott is almost a lone voice here.
    
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    January 25, 2020 9:00am
    - mandk
      
      ‘Scott is almost a lone voice here’
      
      Check out the response to his post.
      
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      January 25, 2020 9:02am
      - igm
        
        It would may be different if it was brainwashing with the koran. Hipkins and Ardern are mosque appeasers and caliphate supporters.
        
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        January 25, 2020 10:59am
    - lofty
      
      He may be a minority commenter but by no means a minority reader and supporter of Christianity.
      Nor is he alone in being able to read the socialist agenda.
      I signed in just to uptick him following yours and Mikes sarc replies.
      
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      January 25, 2020 3:44pm
  - Fletch
    
    Maybe parents should allow their kids to take a vote on whether they should eat vegetables or not…
    
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    January 25, 2020 9:45am
    - Tall Man
      
      Vege killer…….. You’ll be next 😉
      
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      January 25, 2020 10:03am
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      Now that could be contentious – some fad diet followers view veggies as evil…
      
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      January 25, 2020 10:44am
  - Billy Collins
    
    Nothing, except why is climate change not also opt in?
    
    I went to a school recently, as part of work, and the teacher was getting kids to create climate change posters. She was telling the what to write.
    
    “Say things like ‘No more fossil fuels!’, ‘No more climate change!'”
    
    The kids have no idea.
    
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    January 25, 2020 10:44am
    - sooty
      
      Teachers, the new brown shirts!
      
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      January 25, 2020 11:42am
      - igm
        
        Sooty: Teachers are supportive of Islam, and Islam was supportive of Nazis, so you are on the money.
        
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        January 25, 2020 1:12pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        Along with the gangs with illegal weapons that Jacinda allowed them to keep.
        
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        January 25, 2020 1:28pm
      - igm
        
        Jack Rabbit: But don’t you know, we are inclusive of anything supportive of Islam; the gangs defended mosques . . . they have carte blanche to weapons.
        
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        January 25, 2020 6:39pm
  - IC5000
    
    > What’s wrong with parents having the right to opt in for their children to get religious ‘education’?
    
    Spoken like a true heretic. Get thee behind me Satan
    
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    January 25, 2020 10:15pm
- Romney
  
  It’s a poor religion though, without salvation or transcendence. Can’t see it having much appeal in the long term.
  
  I agree about climate/world socialism. The only explanation that makes sense. It’s taken me a while to get my head around the scope and ambition of it. Effectively enslaving the Western peoples and putting us in harness. Staggeringly evil.
  
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  January 25, 2020 8:43am
  - Simon
    
    If man made climate change was remotely true then its effects would have seen by the 1970s and it would be clearly measurable
    
    The State would not have manipulate historical temperature records or adjust tidal gauges reading. Nor all the misrepresentation that goes on about temperature readings pre WW2 would be necessary.
    
    Man made climate change the death throes of socialism.
    
    Trump covered this in his recent Davos speech. The prediction of pending doom unless the population submits to the crackpot socialists who promote doom. This the left MO. Trump had a much more positive pro human message
    
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    January 25, 2020 9:26am
- tedbear
  
  China’s not getting a free pass.
  https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/01/24/eu-threatens-china-with-carbon-pricing-import-duties/
  
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  January 25, 2020 8:58am
  - tedbear
    
    “There is no point in only reducing greenhouse gas emissions at home, if we increase the import of CO2 from abroad,” Ms von der Leyen told delegates at Davos.
    
    I wonder if our government will adopt the same attitude.
    There’s no point in reducing greenhouse gas emissions in New Zealand if we increase and encourage the import of CO2 from overseas in the way of electric vehicles, coal, solar panels, petrol, diesel or anything made from fossil fuels.
    
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    January 25, 2020 9:27am
  - Tall Man
    
    “Threatens” is the operative world and ultimately who will win and who will lose this battle? Not China.
    
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    January 25, 2020 9:34am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Lab/Greens pollies are a Godless immoral unethical bunch of venal ferals so no surprises they want to curtail Christians from having their rights.
  
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  January 25, 2020 9:50am
- JackRabbit
  
  No major moves are ever political or religious, they are always financial.
  
  For example, religious bodies, or races of people never try and get “their land” because it is sacred. They want it “back” so they can profit off it.
  
  Which is why much of Maori land has been sold to immigrants, given back under the treaty of Waitangi, sold again, recompensed for 70 years ago, and recompensed again for in the last 20 years. It’s not sacred land, its buying and selling land.
  
  If you want to call the Communist Climate Change Propaganda (CCCP) a religion, then like Greenpeace it may appear religious, but steered by money and control of land.
  
  Big money created protests, action groups, and public demonstrations warning of an apoplectic future over the introduction of Tesla’s AC power system, which would replace the almost exclusively coal power DC system.
  
  Big money created protests, action groups, and public demonstrations warning of an apoplectic future over the introduction of Nuclear power, to replace coal powered power stations.
  
  Big money has created protests, action groups, and public demonstrations warning of an apoplectic future over fossil fuels, after having opposed nuclear power. However, keeping the world running and advancing technology to replace fossil fuels, with something other than nuclear power, relies upon the continued use of fossil fuels until that happens. Banning exploration of natural gas in NZ, is a luddite response. Especially when the fear mongers in NZ, don’t want nuclear.
  
  If the CCCP welcomed nuclear, fossil fuels could be gone in a very short time. But no. CCCP and Greta do not want the next step in energy advancement. They want to collapse progress.
  
  Socialism needs to be seen for what it is. It is a vehicle driven by the love of money. Other peoples money.
  
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  January 25, 2020 10:25am
  - mark15
    
    Very salient points
    
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    January 25, 2020 12:31pm
  - lofty
    
    Very well put.
    
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    January 25, 2020 3:48pm
- Kabull
  
  Climate change of its self is nonsense. Its real utility is in the opportunity it presents the socialists to go after their one-world government and monetary reform crusade. George Soros’s recent speech at Davos bemoaned the barriers he sees to his international ‘open society’ and the resurgence of nationalist movements. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/george-soros-explains-how-democracy-can-overcome-authoritarian-nationalism-2020-01-24
  
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  January 25, 2020 10:58am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    And why do all those privileged folks allow themselves to be harangued by Greta and Soros?
    
    Sadomasochistic Kabuki theatre
    
    https://rclutz.wordpress.com/2020/01/22/the-greta-davos-collusion/
    
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    January 25, 2020 11:20am
    - Stephieboy2
      
      “allowto be harangued by Greta and Soros?”
      
      Because they choose to be!
      
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      January 25, 2020 12:36pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        What, like the poor Labour party supporters that allowed themselves to be raped and sexually assaulted?
        
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        January 25, 2020 1:29pm
    - Tall Man
      
      “is a price worth paying for their desire to appear important and driven.”
      
      There’s your answer Maggy.
      
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      January 25, 2020 1:22pm
  - Jack5
    
    The Green-Reds have hijacked our schools …
    
    The Labour-Green-Judas coalition is torpedoingreligious teaching in State schools. Well religion except for Green fanaticism.
    
    Filling the gap of religion is the new compulsory teaching on climate change. This will be part of the school syllabus for Years 7-10 pupils, which means those aged between 11 and 14.
    
    Karl du Fresne takes a potshot at this on his blog, saying:
    
    “It’s a piece of work the Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels would have been proud to call his own – one that targets malleable young minds in much the same way as the Hitler Youth did in the 1930s.”
    
    https://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2020/01/the-education-systems-latest-project.html
    
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    January 25, 2020 3:19pm
CJames

Has anyone else noticed how silent the Government, particularly the Environment Minister, has been on the massive sewage spills into Auckland and lately Wellington Harbour. https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/118388083/roads-closed-sewage-continues-to-spill-into-wellington-harbour-for-second-day How about the trucking of a million litres of sewage a day around Wellington streets from a different failure? https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington/118981670/trucks-operate-around-the-clock-to-take-sludge-after-wellington-waste-pipe-fails Think of the carbon credits that is wasting and how many cycle lanes it is using.
If this had been a dairy farm into a river, they would have been on the news every night, demanding action and law changes. As it is only harbours in their backyard and where only the hoi polloi have to swim (their class of voters go to overseas beaches that are swept clean every night by the servants), there has been silence. Their deplorables don’t matter. Could it be the realisation that ratepayer’s money will have to be diverted from Climate Extinction woke festivals to fix failed infrastructure? Or do they want the dairy farmers of Canterbury’s taxes to pay for it and they are trying to come up with a campaign to sell it?
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January 25, 2020 8:01am
- Romney
  
  Socialism always requires an enemy, an ‘Emanual Goldstein.’ In this nasty little place, farmes are it. Our role is taking the blame.
  
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  January 25, 2020 8:31am
- Stephieboy2
  
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  Bring back the horse-drawn sewerage carts of yeteryear as a fix?
  
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  January 25, 2020 8:59am
  - CJames
    
    No Stephiegirl – how about Councils doing what they are supposed to do and maintain their sewage systems (with redundancy). When there is going to be growth, build it early. That is what they did a generation of so ago. Or is that to radical an idea?
    
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    January 25, 2020 9:48am
    - igm
      
      Until principal ratepayers only, vote in local body elections, lefty leeches will infiltrate councils as a easy earn and consign us to fiscal despondency.
      
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      January 25, 2020 11:02am
    - JackRabbit
      
      Same thing happened in South Africa. When the socialist nepotist blacks took control, they stopped investing money on new infrastructure, and stopped maintaining the existing infrastructure, instead spending the money on their own socialist ideas.
      
      And the infrastructure started failing.
      No mystery there.
      
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      January 25, 2020 1:32pm
  - JibberJabber
    
    LoL, such a short memory you have Steffy, Jeanette Fitzsimmons UberGreen fuckwit, proposed the reintroduction of the nightcart 20+ years ago to compliment the Green proposed introduction of composting toilets in the new highrise apartments that were springing up in Auckland.
    Complete and utter Numpties that have zero comprehension of how the reality of an urban population works.
    
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    January 25, 2020 10:45am
mikenmildagain

All set for this evening?

His knife see rustic Labour dicht,
An’ cut you up wi’ ready slicht,
Trenching your gushing entrails bricht,
Like ony ditch;
And then, O what a glorious sicht,
Warm-reekin, rich!
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January 25, 2020 8:04am
- mikenmildagain
  
  It’s a bit sad that so many Kiwibloggers seem so dismissive of a slice of Scots culture.
  
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  January 25, 2020 10:38am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Are you sure they’re just not down-ticking you.?
    
    you know, those folks who see your pseudo-name and just give you an automatic downtick.
    
    (confession: I upticked your Address excerpt)
    
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    January 25, 2020 11:25am
  - sam green
    
    You said the word Labour – of course they’ll downtick you.
    
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    January 25, 2020 12:28pm
- Ed Snack
  
  Burns night ? (I should know this, sad to say I’m not sure) . And yes , it is, 25 January. Well done Mikenmild.
  
  My favourite, the well known: The best laid plans o’ mice an’ men gang oft a-gley.
  
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  January 25, 2020 12:07pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I’ll have a whisky, but skip the haggis…
    
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    January 25, 2020 2:19pm
MrTips

You won’t read or see this on mainstream media here, because the ThoughtControlEditors™ would rather bake scones for a naked Colin Craig than admit it ever happened, but THIS is why Trump is hated so much, first ever President to address and attend the March for Life in person: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/full-text-trumps-2020-march-for-life-speech

He is against the progressive mindset’s holy grail of abortion and it drives them all, left and right, insane. He calls a simple spade a spade. All the stuff about him being corrupt is bollox: he is hated for this reason alone.
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January 25, 2020 8:15am
- mikenmildagain
  
  bake scones for a naked Colin Craig
  
  That’s quite a fantasy you weave.
  
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  January 25, 2020 9:02am
  - Tall Man
    
    Got you onboard though 😉
    
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    January 25, 2020 9:35am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      It was the scones that did it for me
      
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      January 25, 2020 9:56am
      - Tall Man
        
        Fetishist!
        
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        January 25, 2020 1:43pm
- Stephieboy2
  
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  Does it matter as there sis news about the march a plenty on world media ,
  
  It doesn’t matter if a woman regrets her abortion. That’s what the March for Life and Donald Trump don’t realize
  
  Becca from Tennessee spoke to me about feeling she’d been coerced into her abortion. She still supports reproductive rights for all women
  
  https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/trump-abortion-march-for-life-rally-washington-choice-a9300691.html
  
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  January 25, 2020 9:04am
- fernglas
  
  I don’t hate him so much as despise his hypocrisy and pity those who fall for it.
  
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  January 25, 2020 9:13am
  - Tall Man
    
    Not too keen on ardern then I imagine.
    
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    January 25, 2020 9:36am
    - fernglas
      
      She’s worse. At least Trump doesn’t pretend to be anything other than a hypocrite.
      
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      January 25, 2020 1:18pm
- Fletch
  
  ?
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzS0vjw7C_g
  
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  January 25, 2020 9:52am
Yvette

Pania Newton was at Waitangi in 2018 for Jacinda Ardern’s first speech there as Prime Minister when she asked Māori to hold her government to account.
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“Neglect”

No mana for Māori
A vote for the Mana Māori deal is a vote for National, says Labour’s Māori Development spokesperson Kelvin Davis.

“They’re welcome to each other. It’s only a matter of time before Māori work out there’s no mana in this deal.

“After nine years of this National Government, propped up by the Māori party, there’s not a lot to brag about. Māori are more likely to be overweight, depressed, homeless, incarcerated and uneducated according to these disturbing statistics produced under National’s watch.

“The Kiwi quarter acre dream is more of a nightmare as the housing crisis hits Māori hard. Māori are five times more likely to be homeless than Pākeha. Māori home ownership is 28 per cent compared with 56.8 per cent for Pākeha.

“The job market isn’t delivering for Māori either.

“The total number of Māori aged 15-24 not in employment, education or training has increased from 23,300 to 27,900. And it gets worse. Since National has been in office, the gap in median weekly earnings between Māori and Pākeha has grown 47 per cent.

“What’s even worse is the state of Māori health. Māori adults are 1.5 times more likely to have anxiety or depressive disorders. Māori adults are also 1.6 times more likely to have missed out on seeing their GP because they couldn’t afford it, in the last 12 months. Māori adults are 1.7 times more likely to be obese.

“These statistics paint a very poor picture of our people. This is what the Māori party has contributed to through its support plan with the National party.
“There’s no mana for Māori who support a waka that’s shackled to the National Party.

“Labour won six of the seven Māori seats at the last election. Māori deserve more support than what the Nats and their hopeless helpers have delivered,” says Kelvin Davis.
https://www.labour.org.nz/no_mana_for_m_ori
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Delivery

January 24, 2020 7:00am by David Farrar
37,000 more people on welfare
The latest benefit statistics shows that since the change of Government:
• 37,000 more people on welfare
• A 22% increase in those on a jobseeker benefit
• 6,000 more people who have been on a benefit for over a year
• A 30% increase in Maori and Pasifka jobseeker benefit levels
• 15,000 more children living in a benefit dependent household

“Hold us to account. Because one day I want to be able to tell my child that I earned the right to stand here. And only you can tell me when I have done that” – Jacinda Ardern
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January 25, 2020 8:18am
- Humble Capitalist
  
  And there it is again. No need to really hold us to account because we think were so much nicer than that last government
  
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  January 25, 2020 8:48am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Where’s the mana for Maori with Twitford’s in charge?
  Maori are highly tribal and the Maori Party are too sensible for most of the others. Large promises of handouts by the COL or positive responses to activists may help them keep their Maori power base. It won’t actually give them anything because they have plans to fritter it away.
  
  Watch out for water rights being on offer for vote buying. Grrrrns are playing into Labour’s hands by giving a case to take control of all water.
  
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  January 25, 2020 8:58am
  - Brian McDonald
    
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    Thanks for your analysis of Maori, member of the MP are you?
    
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    January 25, 2020 9:50am
- Ruahine
  
  What a load of claptrap. I do not think it will fool or did fool any ‘Maori’ people I know.
  
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  January 25, 2020 10:17am
Tony Stuart

An interesting hypothesis spotted on Twitter last night:

And so it starts.

One could speculate that our PM getting cosy with Facebook and Twitter is more about controlling contrary opinion than hosing any supposed threats.

This was in response to a post by a Wellington woman suggesting that instead of responding to Facebook/Twitter political adverts you don’t agree with, you report them. Could the Left be about to embark on a major censorship programme in election year?
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January 25, 2020 8:18am
- MrTips
  
  Of course they will. But Topham/Guerin will have a handle on that I suspect.
  
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  January 25, 2020 8:36am
- Simon Gotlieb
  
  People reporting Facebook and Twitter ads they simply disagree with will likely get short shrift.
  
  OTOH, all political parties will also have to ensure that they don’t obfuscate, lie by omission, and outright get it completely wrong, as a large amount of people reporting ads will see them getting fact checked.
  
  Do remember, this works just as tough for the left as the right.
  
  Personally, I’d love to see political parties actually put up policies this year for us all to debate on, rather than try and score points against each other in order to win. I’m over this partisan shit.
  
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  January 25, 2020 8:43am
  - Tall Man
    
    Knock yourself out.
    
    https://www.national.org.nz/
    
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    January 25, 2020 9:39am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Oh don’t worry – Cindy has said that this year’s election campaign should be ‘factual’
  
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  January 25, 2020 8:58am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yeah..
    That lasted for about 1 day…
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/01/labour-s-willie-jackson-accuses-national-mp-chris-bishop-of-wanting-to-be-rambo.html
    
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    January 25, 2020 9:16am
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      I thought Willie was busy getting real jobs for his people…
      
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      January 25, 2020 9:37am
      - Tall Man
        
        Well he certainly has ardern’s ear!
        
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        January 25, 2020 10:06am
    - Scooter
      
      Positivity = Denial = Lack of Accountability
      
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      January 25, 2020 6:54pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  I’m sure it has already started. Bullies don’t tolerate being answered back.
  
  How is it possible to govern with only a list of noses to punch and no actually understanding of economics or civil society? All opposition has to be suppressed. Unlike Lenin’s takeover they don’t have anyone capable of rising to even successfully become a dictator. These are all comic book caricatures. Unfortunately self belief is not adequate for control.
  
  Why don’t we just get Greta instead it would be far cheaper that the present lot. A few milkshakes a day from carbon free cows, some non-charred (carbon free) chips and she could strut the country giving order to the Public Service to carry out her plans. Efficiency in govt.
  
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  January 25, 2020 9:10am
- Ruahine
  
  How is it that Labour is allowing Mark Zuckerburg through his company Facebook to control our next general election? How is it that the NZ MSM think that this is a good idea. I was under the impression that they thought it was there job to ‘hold politicians to account’. It just shows how little the media in this country is under the control of Labour. I wonder how much of our taxes are going to be paid to Facebook hence Zuckerburg for this service. I also thought we were against foreign companies and countries interfering in our elections. So all that posturing by Little was to try and hide something more sinister.
  
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  January 25, 2020 10:12am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Mark Zuckerburg is not in control of Facebook. He is very much a puppet.
    
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    January 25, 2020 1:35pm
- Paulus
  
  I, like most of our friends, do not have Twitter or Facebook – too intrusive, so sorry Cindy cannot help.
  You are still the worse Government in living memory – and we represent the silent majority – the oldies.
  Can’t wait for September 19th.
  
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  January 25, 2020 10:48am
mikenmildagain

This is a funny/sad story or a sad/funny story, depending upon one’s perspective:
Detroit man tries to deposit checks from his racial discrimination lawsuit. Bank finds this so suspicious that they call the cops. Man deposits checks at another bank with no problem’ now sues first bank for racial discrimination,
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2020/01/23/tcf-bank-race-discrimination-case-sauntore-thomas/4546199002/
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January 25, 2020 8:20am
oldpark

Phew! Saved by the bell only just . There was the here is me, and who is like me, NZs Part Time Prime Minister Ardern . Fresh from not so long ago with her unilateral call to stop all gas and oil exploration in Taranaki . About to put the Private Property Rights of NZs in jeopardy . Yes she was just about to tell the protesters at Ihumatao they would be rewarded and compensated in kind. Even though that announcement and far reaching decision that would affect the Private Property Rights of all NZs.
In stepped our nemeses and her boss Winston Peters who for the time being has put a halt to it .
To think Ardern who only got the PMs job compliments of Peters seems to want to split the legal rights of Non Maori by sowing the seeds of dissension on their legal Private Property Rights with such an attempted decision is an abomination.
Perhaps NZs voters can now see that their goody two shoes PM known as “Commie Chic Comrade” Ardern has a total hidden agenda for the Nation of NZ. Yes most of us believed our Private Property Rights were sacred. Maybe not anymore.
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January 25, 2020 8:26am
- MCos
  
  I thought you were going to say fresh from her eight week holiday.
  
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  January 25, 2020 8:43am
- Brian McDonald
  
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  Ardern got the top job because she succeeded where Simon failed – finding consensus with NZF. Neither Simon or Jacinda walked away from NZF, they waited for NZF to deliberate on the terms on offer, and no doubt negotiate. You’re trying to rewrite history. He/she who dares wins.
  
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  January 25, 2020 10:01am
  - Tall Man
    
    What a load of absolute crap. Push your barrow by all means but talking shit won’t work here.
    
    Bill English was leader during the negotiations and if you think providing the smallest party in parliament the most power is the way to negotiate then you are as dumb as ardern.
    
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    January 25, 2020 10:08am
    - tf78
      
      Bill’s christian name is actually Simon.
      
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      January 25, 2020 12:59pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Good point but I doubt brian was thinking that way.
        
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        January 25, 2020 1:47pm
    - Brian McDonald
      
      You’re right it was Bill. But the result was the same little man behind a screen.
      
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      January 25, 2020 1:33pm
  - DeepBlue
    
    Wasn’t it Bill English as National Leader in 2017?
    
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    January 25, 2020 10:41am
  - pdm
    
    BM – it was Bill English who failed with Peters.
    
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    January 25, 2020 10:43am
    - Tall Man
      
      In my mind I see it as having succeeded in avoiding the toxic prick.
      
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      January 25, 2020 1:48pm
    - igm
      
      English no doubt told Peters his demands were ridiculous. Labour not being able to get power any other way, acceded to his demands, of which the public have a right to see.
      
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      January 25, 2020 6:47pm
  - niggly
    
    Umm did you just rewrite history yourself? Who was National’s leader during the post-2017 election coalition negotiations?
    
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    January 25, 2020 10:51am
  - tf78
    
    Are you talking about Simon (Bill) English or Simon Bridges?
    
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    January 25, 2020 10:52am
    - Brian McDonald
      
      Acknowledged my mistake.
      
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      January 25, 2020 1:34pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Oh lord, another moron troll raising his ugly head. Negotiations in good faith when you have already taken court proceedings against National party members. Don’t make me laugh. That bitter nasty, decrepit old man has done nothing but carry out utu against National for years. He hates Simon because Simon took his seat off him in Tauranga. He would NEVER have gone with National.Get a life, Brian.
    
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    January 25, 2020 1:21pm
Doubledimp

I keep hearing about what central government can do about housing costs, yet in my limited knowledge, it is local government that allocates land and provides infrastructure such as power, roads, sewage, etc. And also sets the urban limit or whatever it is. And approves building permits, inspects builds etc.

They say that journalism is to inform and educate the reader, can I please be informed and educated on who runs what for housing and how long things take and what the process is? I feel this would be incredibly valuable information in this election year.
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January 25, 2020 8:26am
- tedbear
  
  Ah but if Greens get back in, one of their bottom lines might be for house prices to be cut in half
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/82525588/green-party-calling-for-house-prices-to-be-cut-in-half-over-time
  
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  January 25, 2020 9:08am
  - Wangas Feral
    
    That would bankrupt this feral. I would barely own anything of my house other than the letterbox.
    
    It is an old article but I am sure that they would still be into that idea.
    
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    January 25, 2020 9:59am
    - Tall Man
      
      But is it a really nice letterbox?
      
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      January 25, 2020 10:09am
    - igm
      
      Don’t forget CGT . . . they are still smarting over the abandonment of that rort.
      
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      January 25, 2020 6:49pm
Tony Stuart

Still on Twitter; this from Richard Harman’s Politik:

POLITIK
@POLITIKwebsite
In POLITIK today Jacinda Ardern talks about her personal political philosophy; how being plunged into the Prime Ministership impacted on her; how she copes with the violent abuse and how she deals with the pressures bigger powers try to place on NZ

I keep a reasonably close eye on things political, but I seem to have missed the bit where Jacinda Ardern was manhandled at Waitangi like John Key, or had objects thrown at her like Steven Joyce, Don Brash, and even the Queen. I’ve certainly missed the bit where she was stabbed in her electorate office like Dail Jones back in the 1980’s.

Yes, the PM, like many politicians before her, probably receives her share of abusive mail and social media, but “violent abuse”? Mr Harman, your hyperbole is unbecoming.
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January 25, 2020 8:27am
- chaos
  
  Violent abuse? Oh you mean people turning her face around in bookshops. Gee lucky there are no songs about killing her and raping her daughter, like key had to put up with. She just wants to pretend to be a victim now and play a victim card.
  
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  January 25, 2020 8:50am
- Ruahine
  
  The media cheerleaders for Ardern have had their orders.
  
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  January 25, 2020 8:57am
- Brian McDonald
  
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  Do you feel it would be more appropriate if the PM had a history of being manhandled, Tony?
  
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  January 25, 2020 10:16am
  - alloytoo
    
    I’m sure we would feel it unfortunate, but at least authentic.
    
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    January 25, 2020 12:03pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    What a stupid question. How would Ardern handle a song about her baby being violently sexually assaulted – and have that song be celebrated by her opponents.
    
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    January 25, 2020 12:13pm
    - Brian McDonald
      
      She never sang such a song and isn’t now, so what is the point in asking me how she’d feel?
      
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      January 25, 2020 1:35pm
    - igm
      
      She agreed to the mongrel producing that disgusting record.
      
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      January 25, 2020 6:50pm
      - sam green
        
        No she didn’t.
        
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        January 25, 2020 8:30pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Not at all Brian, but given that a number of our political leaders have been on the receiving end of ACTUAL acts of violence, and in one case very fortunate to survive being stabbed, to describe abuse which may or may not have been directed at Jacinda Ardern as “violent” is hyperbolic in the extreme.
    
    The irony is that Harman isn’t one of the doe-eyed young press gallery members; he’s been around long enough to see actual violent acts.
    
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    January 25, 2020 1:08pm
MrTips

Harman’s gotta get the traffic somehow….
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January 25, 2020 8:37am
Yvette

MMP allows one minor party – even just its leader, and a few caucus members – to have free choice to decide which major party can form a Government.
And this is after the Election result is officially declared.
I believe it to be a form of dictatorship or a form of autocracy, but not democracy.
Try explaining it to someone in another country, and you will realise how fucking stupid it not only sounds, but actually is.

Negotiating policies is also a process that can destroy the integrity of what people voted for.
An “integrity” electoral law that preserves Parliament party numbers is a farce in that it of course only keeps list member numbers intact – it can not reserve electorate seat numbers (where a by-election allows seats to change) and it does absolutely nothing to preserve the integrity of the policies on which people voted.
It is entirely bizarre.

The main fault is parties which refuse to declare coalition partners, and so voters for such parties, like New Zealand First, are giving their vote to the party to just use as they see fit, AFTER they know the Election result. See? – absolutely fucking mad.

It is quite possible last Election that a greater number of New Zealand First voters believed Winston would go with National rather than Labour. However, no one will ever know. There is no evidence.

If this is the year of Truth in politics, Bridges should state he will not work with any other Party that does not declare coalition allegiance BEFORE the Election.

That should leave Winston and Ardern to decide where they stand on this issue in light of Ardern having declared it the year of Truth – and the rest of the world already knowing it is the year of the Rat.
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January 25, 2020 8:39am
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It finally became clear why Shane Jones has been ripping into his coalition partners the Greens from time to time. The Greens wrote him a letter suggesting that he ‘chill out,’ a more polite version of what Jones might say after a wine or 2 … f up.
So what’s clear?
A demonstration of the col working together. I think many of us have at times thought the col was likely to beach itself with the Greens and Labour going one way and NZF another, in fact, Tony was again suggesting that yesterday on another thread. But what is more likely is that it is showing a Government capable of having many views and reaching consensus. Not everyone gets a cream cake but at times everyone will. Importantly there may be a blend of ages, cultures, and ethnicities, even different points of view on firearm law.
Looking at it another way the col, whether it is appreciated or not, brings more views to the table and, therefore, a better chance of consensus and the prospect of fewer people being left out.
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January 25, 2020 8:42am
- Simon Gotlieb
  
  Yes, it’s certainly interesting when it gets out in the public. We’re all expecting it to blow up in their faces, and it doesn’t seem to. We can’t expect coalition partners to always agree on everything – they may as well unite under one party if that’s the case. Our perception of politics as being completely partisan causes this disconnect I believe, when in reality there are often many things we can all agree on, despite often having disparate opinions.
  Maybe not so bad after all?
  
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  January 25, 2020 8:46am
  - Tall Man
    
    For policies to be implemented a government of good faith needs a mandate.
    
    Apart from reducing immigration there was no common ground among the three parties in this coalition and even that “promise” only generated 43% support.
    
    The only party that could possibly claim a mandate would be National as 47% of the vote is as close as you can get.
    
    No labour policies gained a wide acceptance as apart from empty “promises” there were actually no policies offered by ardern.
    
    No voter actually took green policies seriously really and I doubt many “what’s in it for wynston” voters actually knew what the fuck he stood for apart from the removal of the maori seats and immigration cut to 10,000. That didn’t play out too well for them did it?
    
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    January 25, 2020 9:54am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Absolutely – I’m sure Shane will end up giving the greens a big wet kiss
  
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  January 25, 2020 9:03am
  - Tall Man
    
    Now that’s a real stomach turner isn’t it?
    
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    January 25, 2020 9:54am
    - sooty
      
      No, I think Shane will bend over and say to the greens, kiss my booty!
      
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      January 25, 2020 8:17pm
- cmm
  
  Bottom line is that the buggers work for us and are paid for us. They should leave their fat-headed egos at home and be striving to overcome their difference to serve us.
  
  Sure they are not one party, but they formed CoL and thus offered themselves to us as a viable package that work together – well.
  
  Imagine you hired a building firm made up of a plumber, electrician etc. Sure, it is fine if they have some low level disagreements, but it is not fine if they have a paint fight in your new lounge or sabotage eachothers’ work.
  
  But somehow politicians can behave like sugared up kids in a sandpit and that’s Ok.
  
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  January 25, 2020 9:09am
- chaos
  
  No, what it shows is that it is election year and no first need to distance themselves from greens and labour and try to get re-elected, the same will be done by labour and greens
  
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  January 25, 2020 9:11am
- Tony Stuart
  
  But what is more likely is that it is showing a Government capable of having many views and reaching consensus.
  
  What errant nonsense Brian. On Thursday, the PM was dishing out warm fuzzies, telling anyone who would listen that election year would factual and positive, and within 24 hours her Deputy PM has crapped all over her from a great height with petty, spiteful attacks on National’s leadership.
  
  Ardern has little if any control over Peters, and he will continue to do what he wants, encouraging his mate Shane Jones to do likewise, and to push boundaries beyond their limits. Peters has already poured water on her grand plan for a settlement at Ihumatao, and will continue to undermine Ardern as the year progresses because he won’t get re-elected unless he draws a line between Labour and NZF.
  
  Peters has history in this regard. Even Helen Clark had to stand him aside as a Minister eventually. Unfortunately for all of us, Jacinda Ardern is not a shadow on Helen Clark in terms of her leadership ability. Hang on tight; things are about to get bumpy!
  
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  January 25, 2020 9:13am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    Struggling there Tony, you have your ideal of what consensus should be – but we see another practical way in practice. It’s politics to single out the issue of Peters being a maverick and breaking the implied positiveness which you call as the deputy ‘crapping’ on the PM. That is a way the col may be working which I am drawing attention to.
    
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    January 25, 2020 11:32am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      The failure of the Year of Delivery suggests that the Coalition is NOT working, which is exactly what many of us feared would happen.
      
      Why have the Greens not pushed on with the Kermadec Ocean Sanctuary for example? I’m sure it has nothing to do with Winston Peters and his party’s support from the fishing industry.
      
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      January 25, 2020 1:14pm
      - Brian McDonald
        
        That they’ve held together when you predicted they wouldn’t and also have returned budget surpluses. You only pick the troughs and not the peaks Tony, fair is somewhere in the middle if one is not partisan.
        
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        January 25, 2020 1:41pm
Maggy Wassilieff

A long read on how Science can be stymied for years

https://www.statnews.com/2019/06/25/alzheimers-cabal-thwarted-progress-toward-cure/
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January 25, 2020 8:48am
- cmm
  
  Yup, just one example of multiple. A few others:
  1) Uranium cabal preventing research into thorium.
  2) “In-situists” thwarting research into plate techtonics
  
  Many people think scientists are rational beings that put the facts first and are not subject to ego and turf warfare. They are wrong.
  
  The larger the vitriol, the more they are activists rather than scientists.
  
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  January 25, 2020 8:59am
  - Stephieboy2
    
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    1) Uranium cabal preventing research into thorium.
    
    Soros and Coy??
    
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    January 25, 2020 9:06am
- Evadne
  
  Thanks Maggy. An interesting read – but sadly unsurprising. Dogma, ego and patch protection have been in fashion for centuries.
  
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  January 25, 2020 9:22am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Climate “science” has had similar treatment with a political overlay as well.
  A revision of physics is being poorly treated because belief systems are at stake. The GUT-CP is not being appreciated as it explains what Einstein could not. Pico chemistry may be emerging.
  
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  January 25, 2020 9:23am
- freethinker
  
  You could substitute Climate Change and the result would be the same.
  
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  January 25, 2020 10:02am
- Stephieboy2
  
  I don’t know about a so-called ” cabal stymying research but here it continues apace,
  
  Breakthrough: Researchers fix Alzheimer’s gene
  
  “Groundbreaking research shows, for the first time, how the most well-known genetic risk factor for Alzheimer’s disease causes signs in human brain cells. Also, the scientists managed to correct the gene and erase its harmful effects…”
  
  https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/321455.php#1
  
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  January 25, 2020 10:55am
- Brian McDonald
  
  This is similar to the advocacy of junk science in forensics, protecting the patch and reputations. Glad to see that not all the dissenting voices were not cowered into silence.
  
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  January 25, 2020 3:18pm
chaos

* China announced Friday that it is swiftly building a 1000-bed hospital dedicated to patients infected with a new virus that has killed 26 people, sickened hundreds and prompted unprecedented lockdowns of cities during the country’s most important holiday.

On the eve of the Lunar New Year, transportation was shut down in at least 13 cities home to more than 36 million people. The cities are Wuhan, where the illness has been concentrated, and 12 of its neighbours in central China’s Hubei province.*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/119040135/coronavirus-china-building-a-whole-new-hospital-to-treat-patients
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January 25, 2020 8:51am
- Paulus
  
  I believe it is actually a Field Hospital not a sold building.
  Like MASH yea !
  
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  January 25, 2020 1:35pm
Suze Wainwright

Good to see that the economic maestro Kris Faafoi is giving it to landlords, telling them they can’t use meeting healthy homes’s standards as a reason for putting rents up
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January 25, 2020 9:02am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Does Fa’afoi expect the landlords all to drop out and let the state takeover all the tenants?
  What price communism?
  
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  January 25, 2020 9:25am
- Rich Prick
  
  Heh, and Labour voters are now paying a median $600 a week rent in Wellington. Lefties are now calling for rent controls, do they want no rentals for their kin?
  
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  January 25, 2020 9:32am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fmi773j2kY
Italy Rising – Jan 26th poised to be a huge victory. Salvini isn’t done yet.
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January 25, 2020 9:02am
curry4me

Donald Trump is the first president to address the March for Life.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/01/24/donald-trump-at-march-for-life-every-child-is-a-sacred-gift-from-god/
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January 25, 2020 9:06am
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND … Are property and financial institutions and consultants advising clients of the respective risks of true market and artificial political / planning values ? …

What legal liabilities could these institutions and consultants who fail to advise clients properly face, as true market values are restored ? …

Here’s how to buy a house if you’re on a median income … Susan Edmunds … Stuff New Zeakand

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/118984598/heres-how-to-buy-a-house-if-youre-on-a-median-income

Data released this week probably made many New Zealand first-home buyers feel a bit sick.

Research group Demographia’s annual housing affordability survey showed it was getting tougher for Kiwi buyers – and Auckland was the sixth most unaffordable of the world’s main centres.

Demographia researcher Hugh Pavletich said it was putting pressure on the “middle class”.

Teacher Emma Bell agreed – she said she was struggling to buy, even after moving to Whakatane. … read more via hyperlink above …
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Why did the Central Bank of Ireland generally cap mortgages at 3.5 times household incomes following the 2007 event, when housing markets went overall from 4.7 times incomes to 2.8 times ?

New Zealand overall is currently 7.0 times overall … the highest within the Anglosphere ?

Access Central Bank of Ireland background research via …

Cantral Bank of Ireland – Mortgage Measures

https://www.centralbank.ie/financial-system/financial-stability/macro-prudential-policy/mortgage-measures
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A clear structural definition of an affordable housing market …

Structural Definition of an Affordable Housing Market – Performance Urban Planning

http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/affordability.html
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January 25, 2020 9:10am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Get the FED to stop printing money.
  
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  January 25, 2020 9:27am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Not going to happen. What do you think would ensue if the US tried to balance its budget and (gasp) start paying off its national debt?
    
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    January 25, 2020 9:30am
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      The Hayne Royal Commission in Australia appears to have bought them up for air.
      
      Its just the start I suspect.
      
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      January 25, 2020 9:53am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        NEW ZEALAND – AUCKLAND …
        
        New dwelling completions in Auckland are on a high but may be close to peaking … Greg Ninness … Interest Co NZ
        
        https://www.interest.co.nz/property/103360/new-dwelling-completions-auckland-are-high-may-be-close-peaking
        
        There was a dramatic surge in the number of new homes completed in Auckland towards the end of last year, with Auckland Council issuing 1745 Code Compliance Certificates for new dwellings in November.
        
        That was the highest number of new dwellings completed in any month by a substantial margin since interest.co.nz began compiling the figures in 2012.
        
        The number of new homes being completed in Auckland has been at strongly elevated levels since May last year when the numbers began to exceed 1000 per month.
        
        The number of new homes completed in November was up by 344% compared to the same month five years ago, when just 507 new dwellings were completed (see graph below). … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        January 25, 2020 11:16am
- artemisia
  
  Nothing stopping median income households from buying a home under median price. That would be half of the homes.
  
  Or even, heaven forfend, median income households increasing their income by let’s say stacking supermarket shelves a couple of nights a week.
  
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  January 25, 2020 9:46am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    If these lazy folks would just work a bit harder, everything would be cheaper!
    
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    January 25, 2020 10:41am
- Happychappy
  
  So what happen to you and your prodigy solving the housing crisis Hugh, or are you just like Mouthy Phil all piss and wind.
  
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  January 25, 2020 10:10am
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“ George Soros warns Trump of potential economic doom before election”

At Davos George Soros has directed salvos at the authoritarian leadership of President Xi Jinping and Donald Trump . The Chinese Dictator for making the survilllence society a grim reality with the misuse and abuse of AI technology.Trump showering himself in narcism bragging about an over stimulated economy ( “juicing business

and Stocks ” ) and a ballooning deficit ( close to $1 billion )that portends disaster.
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January 25, 2020 9:10am
- KevO'Brien
  
  And Soros is not authoritarian?
  He has far more money than sense. He should have been around in the time of the Ceasar’s when wealth=power.
  
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  January 25, 2020 9:30am
  - tf78
    
    You mean Mr Extinction Rebellion.
    
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    January 25, 2020 10:20am
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    And Soros is not authoritarian?
    
    No. A deep commitment to Liberal democractic values and the open society !
    
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    January 25, 2020 10:38am
    - pentwig
      
      Good Grief!
      What more can one possibly say.
      
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      January 25, 2020 12:33pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      A.K.A. Bully.
      
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      January 25, 2020 4:25pm
- Biscuit
  
  Xi you could call authoritarian, yep, especially in light of his Putin-like machinations to set himself up for a lifetime of rule.
  
  But Trump?
  
  He can be voted out this November and, failing that, he has to leave in four years time after that.
  
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  January 25, 2020 11:37am
chaos

* In late September 1952, only months after a rash of “flying saucer” sightings over Washington, D.C. made headlines around the world, dozens of military officers participating in NATO exercises in the North Atlantic were struck by their own UFO fever.

Exercise Mainbrace was the largest peacetime military exercise since World War II. The war-game-style maneuvers simulated NATO’s response to a mock attack on Europe, presumably by the Soviet Union. The Mainbrace operation involved 200 ships, 1,000 planes and 80,000 soldiers from multiple NATO countries—including large deployments from the United States and the United Kingdom.

In a year dominated by news reports of UFO sightings, Pentagon officials half-joked with Naval Intelligence that they should keep an eye out for aliens during the NATO exercises, said Edward Ruppelt, the U.S. Air Force captain in charge of the top-secret Project Blue Book UFO investigations.

As it turns out, they weren’t off base. “[N]o one really expected the UFOs to show up,” Ruppelt wrote in his 1956 book, The Report on Unidentified Flying Objects. “Nevertheless, once again the UFOs were their old unpredictable selves—they were there.”*

https://www.history.com/news/uk-ufos-mainbrace-nato
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January 25, 2020 9:15am
- Stephieboy2
  
  How to fake UFO Vidoes etc,
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzHRaSTsTwk
  
  Why don’t they land in parking lots or city parks?
  
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  January 25, 2020 10:42am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Are you suggesting that all UFO videos are faked?
    
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    January 25, 2020 11:20am
    - Stephieboy2
      
      JackRabbit, yes most. Others can be explained by natural phenomena etc.
      
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      January 25, 2020 12:44pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        So StephieBoy2.01,
        Explain for me your “theories” on the Kaikoura UFOs?
        
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        January 25, 2020 1:22pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        6 hours later and no reply. As I thought, you 3/4 of 5/8 of f*ck all. Either that or your googling madly to concoct some c*ck and bull story.
        
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        January 25, 2020 6:32pm
      - chaos
        
        Yes to googling it is all he can do and not very well either. Had to laugh yesterday he continued his attempt to claim what the min wage in the USA was, still got it wrong despite linking to the website for the federal min wage, which shows he will not even remand and comprehend what he links to.
        
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        January 25, 2020 6:51pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    Probably because unlike you, most of them have a brain and know that landing in a public area with cloaking deactivated is going to scare the crap out of people. Same thing if you land a bunch of helicopter gunships into the campsite of an African tribe who have never seen the outside world.
    It would be completely irresponsible.
    
    Some of them probably operate to the prime directive – don’t interfere in civilisations that have not yet reached warp speed and capable of visiting or inflicting damage on other worlds. Isn’t that the same policies we have in protecting wildlife sanctuaries and primitive races that have never seen the outside world.
    
    Besides, if the ships are galaxy class with 5000 on board, I doubt that they are going to fit into the car park at Countdown. Probably park on the outer ring of the solar system or a lot further, cloaked, and shuttle in, cloaked, to check on progress.
    
    That would be intelligent, would it not? Or would you prefer gate crashing in with hob nail boots?
    
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    January 25, 2020 11:42am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      cloaking deactivated
      
      You are the commenter previously known as Ugly Truth, aren’t you?
      
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      January 25, 2020 2:16pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        No idea who or what you are talking about.
        
        “Cloaking” activated or deactivated, is a pretty common term from Star Trek, watch by hundreds of millions, and from radar cloaking experiments the US military have been carrying out for decades.
        
        I also used the term “African tribe”, so I suppose you will also accuse me of being David Attenborough!
        
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        January 25, 2020 3:05pm
      - chaos
        
        It’s just mikes troll methods to distract from the topic, him and Stephie do it constantly to try and hijack topics.
        
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        January 25, 2020 6:49pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Jack – you know ‘cloaking’ and the ‘prime directive’ are from a TV show, right? You know, fictional?
        
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        January 25, 2020 7:23pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        Thanks chaos. I’m aware of his type. Just using him to sharpen my wit and resolve – get my brain cells operating at full capacity.
        
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        January 25, 2020 8:00pm
- JackRabbit
  
  Didn’t they turn up again at 911?
  
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  January 25, 2020 11:02am
  - chaos
    
    I think so, I never really followed that part of 9-11. I like the military side of it like the foo fighter stories.
    
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    January 25, 2020 12:08pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      Unlike the foo fighters that followed and maneuvered around aircraft but did not show up on radar, the Kaikoura UFOs, showed up on aircraft radar, and NAC ground based at Wellington and Christchurch as well as military radar.
      
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      January 25, 2020 12:54pm
      - chaos
        
        and that is why it remains one of the best sightings there has been.
        
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        January 25, 2020 1:34pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        Absolutely. That and the hundreds of sightings a year or two later “of space debris”, the size and shape of an empire battle Crusier, with visible lighting, and moving silently across the sky, visible through breaks in the cloud.
        
        Was probably a bumper year for psychiatrists and alcohol sales, as people badly affected by the enormity of the sightings had to seek help or solace.
        
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        January 25, 2020 2:04pm
- JackRabbit
  
  Another good book on UFOs is “Lets hope they’re friendly”. Recording in detail the Kaikoura UFOs.
  
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  January 25, 2020 11:25am
  - chaos
    
    The kaikoura ufo is interesting, was just watching a video yesterday that reminded me of it
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPY50FrWGhs
    
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    January 25, 2020 12:28pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      Ever seen any?. They are a sight to behold. As long as they pose no threat.
      
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      January 25, 2020 12:49pm
      - chaos
        
        Yeah, first time I saw one was on a school camp in the 80’s. all on the camp stood and watched it.
        
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        January 25, 2020 1:31pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Let’s see, we have an encounter with a civilisation that has the ability to cross the universe and we hope they don’t pose a threat……. I doubt there are any scenarios that end well for us.
        
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        January 25, 2020 1:37pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @Tall Man
        
        Sorry clicked report by mistake.
        
        Just as I believe there are voters in NZ that have goodness, not treachery in the fibre of their being, I believe that somewhere out there in the billion, billion solar systems, containing millions of races, that some of them have goodness, no treachery in their constitution.
        
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        January 25, 2020 1:55pm
    - Stephieboy2
      
      This says it all,
      
      THEY have been trying to get thru to us for decades now. Crop circles, aerial phenoms.
      
      I really wish they would just cut to the chase and land in Washington or Vegas.
      
      This is tedious.
      
      http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread339116/pg1
      
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      January 25, 2020 12:54pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        Do you or do you not accept the existence of UFOs?
        
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        January 25, 2020 1:23pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        Who is “they” in your mind?
        
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        January 25, 2020 1:25pm
      - Stephieboy2
        
        ” they” You I suppose!
        
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        January 25, 2020 2:19pm
you reap what you sow

IRAQ
2.5 million marched in support of the govt resolution to make all foreign forces leave Iraq.
1. Clearly, trumps drone kill of an Iranian and Iraqi general has backfired.
2. By NZ forces staying (even 6 months) against the decree of the democratically elected govt does this make NZ an invading force and Jacinda our first invading PM?
3. Clearly as the USA’s influence is waining, trumps actions could become even more random risking NZ lives, for what?
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January 25, 2020 9:20am
- niggly
  
  Does the “Iraqi” call to remove “foreign forces” also include the Iranians (their Revolutionary Guards and intelligence agents)?
  
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  January 25, 2020 10:59am
  - mark15
    
    Depends if they’re sunnis or not
    
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    January 25, 2020 12:43pm
adaman

Through the grapevine, a source has advised that Middlemore has a patient in lockdown with suspected coronavirus. Their source is someone who works at Middlemore.
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January 25, 2020 9:24am
Maggy Wassilieff

Climate Change racism

Vanessa Nakate: Climate activist hits out at ‘racist’ photo crop
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-51242972

Keep the focus on the Young white kids…
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January 25, 2020 9:35am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Hmmm – I wonder if it depends on whether the gatekeeper’s green credo is of an eco-fascist or eco-socialist bent…?
  
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  January 25, 2020 9:44am
- chaos
  
  Be happy your cropped out, once this scam is over you can get on with your life, unlike puppet Greta,
  
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  January 25, 2020 9:48am
  - Stephieboy2
    
    “..unlike puppet Greta,”
    
    The Soros effect?
    
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    January 25, 2020 10:43am
    - JackRabbit
      
      I didn’t see any mention of Soros in what chaos said. What are you on?
      
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      January 25, 2020 11:18am
      - Stephieboy2
        
        umm, ” puppet Greta” provides the clue!
        
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        January 25, 2020 12:54pm
      - Tony Stuart
        
        When anyone dares to criticise Greta, stephieboy is quick to accuse them of being a Soros conspiracy theorist. He’s soooo predictable.
        
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        January 25, 2020 1:16pm
      - chaos
        
        well done jack for seeing I did not mention soros. Some people have the special glasses that put words into post that aren’t there, and as for soros, apart from people dropping his name I don’t really know anything about him so I have never actually mentioned him in any posts.
        
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        January 25, 2020 1:20pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @Stephieboy2
        
        And so who are you sarcastically belittling by the puppet statement ?
        
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        January 25, 2020 1:41pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @Tony Stuart
        
        Yep, and the term conspiracy theory was invented by the CIA to discredit anyone who dared to challenge the establishment view.
        
        The term is so old and exposed now. Anyone using it today identifies themselves as being indoctrinated, and as having no original thoughts. An IQ about on par with Cookie Monster in Sesame Street in 1970.
        
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        January 25, 2020 1:49pm
      - Stephieboy2
        
        Jack5, ok tell us exactly who is Greta puppet of and beholden too?
        
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        January 25, 2020 2:21pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @StephieBoy2
        
        “Jack5, ok tell us exactly who is Greta puppet of and beholden too”
        
        I’m not Jack5, he is not in this thread, so it appears you directed the question to me.
        
        Her real masters are unseen, but her parents and the Bollywood actor are definitely useful idiots.
        
        Greta is a puppet of propaganda and false ideas. That is what matters most. The exposing of untruths, and presentation of truths. Truth that can be verified by its alignment with fundamental principles and principle hierarchies.
        
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        January 25, 2020 2:45pm
      - chaos
        
        I can’t be bothered with the labour troll any more, perhaps someone can explain to the puppet, or is muppet, that you can be a puppet to more than just his best friend soros.
        
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        January 25, 2020 3:14pm
      - Vory v zakone
        
        She’s the puppet of her father and that Marxist UN dude from India. Propaganda scriptwriters supreme
        
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        January 25, 2020 3:17pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      @chaos
      
      Thanks
      
      Likewise, I know very little about Soros, so cannot comment on him.
      
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      January 25, 2020 2:49pm
- Ruahine
  
  Dear Vanessa.
  The reason as to why you were cropped from the photo is that as you should know only white people are the cause of climate change.
  We all know that you are doing a great job and working hard but we know best about these things.
  Kind Regards
  David.
  
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  January 25, 2020 10:25am
KevO'Brien

A backgounder on the President’s daughter:
https://conservativehardliner.com/ivanka-trump-fundamentally-transforming-american-workforce

A report of a very capable woman.
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January 25, 2020 9:57am
- marcw
  
  So will we have two women contenders for POTUS 2024 – Ivanka and Nikki Haley? A choice between the business world or the political world.
  
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  January 25, 2020 10:31am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Which one would be republican, and which democrat?
    
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    January 25, 2020 10:43am
    - Tall Man
      
      Will there still be democrats in 2024 mikey or will they have torn themselves asunder in the postmortem following their destructive annihilation by Trump this year?
      
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      January 25, 2020 1:34pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I’m sort of hoping Candace Owens will be there. Imagine the first Black Woman POTUS. She has the stamina and knowledge
    
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    January 25, 2020 3:03pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    I don’t know. Ivanka seems to keep in the background.
    
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    January 25, 2020 4:27pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Personally I think Ivanka is a closet Democrat. Remember Donald Trump was once a Democrat
  
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  January 25, 2020 3:09pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I’m with the Greens on this wee matter about launching US Military Satellites from Mahia Peninsula:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/25/aiming-for-the-stars-how-new-zealands-space-industry-is-causing-turbulence
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January 25, 2020 10:13am
- chaos
  
  I had a quick read but can’t see that it says that this payload has been approved by Phil Twyford. Did I miss it Maggy or have they decided to not put it in?
  
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  January 25, 2020 10:27am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    @ Chaos
    
    The “Birds of a Feather” payload must have been approved, because that’s what the Greens are upset about.
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018730824/greens-concerned-as-rocketlab-launches-for-us-military-agency
    
    here’s Rocketlab’s PR material for the Launch:
    https://www.rocketlabusa.com/assets/Uploads/FINAL-F11-Birds-of-a-Feather-Presskit.pdf
    
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    January 25, 2020 2:55pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Well, the Greens oppose any sort of military cooperation with our allies, so no surprises there. On the plus side, there is no real prospect of them having any influence on our defence policy.
  On the negative side, the biggest security danger to NZ is the labour party and the national party, whose thirst for Chinese communist funds could eventually get us excluded from our alliances.
  
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  January 25, 2020 10:47am
  - Tall Man
    
    Mikey I think you are halfway there. There is little chance of”real” money appearing in party coffers but maybe there are a few foundations that do well and some long term benefits may acrue outside of NZ for some participants. While most of the left despise Sir John Key, the reality is that they are merely envious.
    
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    January 25, 2020 12:14pm
- Lance
  
  Maggy, you do know that US Military satellites include GPS satellites and Iridium satellites right?
  Also Rocketlab has set up a launch pad in Virginia aimed primarily at the US firms/ agency as they are a bit uncomfortable with shipping their hardware down here.
  
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  January 25, 2020 11:02am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yep, I’m aware of all of this…
    
    also that the USA has final say over any type of Space Launch NZ/NZers might want to do.
    
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    January 25, 2020 2:57pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  NZ should not be launching USA or other military satellites without full approval by Parliament.
  Do we not any Government in this country?
  
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  January 25, 2020 4:32pm
Tall Man

“and first daughter Neve could be seen shimmying up to the front row for her very first Rātana event”

“first daughter” FFS.

This confirms my long held views on ardern.

She is little more than a manipulative media whore who is now using her daughter for political gain.

I realise that David and the mods have objected to and often censored my comment around this despicable woman but surely to god this blatant usage of a child to gain media time should be rightly condemned.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/01/labour-s-historic-ties-with-r-tana-church-tested-over-handling-of-m-ori-issues.html

[Mod Comment: A marginal call, but in line with the overall tone of the poster, I have decided that using the term as defined by the second definition in the following link, that the comment is within reasonable opinion.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/media_whore ]
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January 25, 2020 10:17am
- tf78
  
  You took the words right out of my mouth. Using Neve as a human shield is what I find despicable. It seems that under this ‘regime’ they can do what they like. They are classless bunch of misfits.
  
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  January 25, 2020 11:24am
- Biscuit
  
  TM, I have no truck for Ardern but she’s in a ‘Lose-Lose’ situation here.
  
  Leave Neve at home, and she’s a lousy parent
  Take Neve with her to an event, she’s ‘exploiting’ Neve for her personal interests.
  
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  January 25, 2020 11:32am
  - Tall Man
    
    Not really bikkie, she’s using her as a focus for the media as a distraction away from her non delivery to maori. Imagine the outcry to the following…” What have you done for maori?”….. Closed charter schools and increase maori unemployment and incarceration. “Choice aye?”…..
    
    Considering the reluctance of the media to name and shame the various mps living out their peccadillos, it would be a simple matter to say no to neve photos.
    
    mallard did this in the house but have you noticed another new father/mother/not sure fronting baby photos in an attempt to mask their total ineptitude as an mp?
    
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    January 25, 2020 12:48pm
- Brian McDonald
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Mod: you are bordering on complicity. What evidence is there of the PM ‘blatantly’ using her child to gain publicity? An alternative is that she was attending an event in the company of her family, or that alternatively it’s her choice to from time to time include her family in days of historic significance. How about some impartiality, indeed using your own name as a newspaper editor does.
  
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  January 25, 2020 11:42am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The PM could issue a warning to the Media that her daughter is “out of bounds”.
    
    Or the Media could just use some Common Sense and not run headlines like this:
    
    Baby Neve steals show at Rātana as new photos of Jacinda Ardern’s daughter emerge
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12303336
    
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    January 25, 2020 12:01pm
    - lifesgood
      
      Never heard John Key’s kids being referred to as “first”. All they copped was endless abuse and denigration. It is disgraceful for Jacinda to be using her child for publicity. End of.
      
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      January 25, 2020 1:34pm
      - Stephieboy2
        
        lifesgood , and what about Neve?
        
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        January 25, 2020 2:57pm
      - sam green
        
        https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/watch-day-inside-helicopter-taking-john-and-max-key-golf-barack-obama
        
        John and Maxxie with their mate Barack.
        
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        January 25, 2020 8:39pm
      - Tall Man
        
        You’re a tosser, Max isn’t a baby and can make his own decisions.
        
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        January 25, 2020 8:59pm
      - Tall Man
        
        They still do.
        
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        January 25, 2020 9:33pm
  - sooty
    
    Why would you put your child in the front row in public if you weren’t tying to push an adgender. You would have the child out of sight with the nanny entertaing it in the playground!
    
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    January 25, 2020 12:01pm
    - Scooter
      
      Her own personal human shield
      
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      January 25, 2020 8:37pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Regardless of what you choose to think brian, this is a political event and clearly demonstrates how ardern thinks and pushing her kid should be beneath her but we all know how low she will sink to gain media attention.
    
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    January 25, 2020 12:10pm
    - chaos
      
      That child will come out constantly now in election year. Poor kid
      
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      January 25, 2020 12:44pm
- Tall Man
  
  Thank you mod. I realised I was sailing close on this one but the definition says all. Thanks for posting it.
  
  The “first” description of these two plus child is offensive and is something that a reasonable politician would have vetoed right from the start.
  
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  January 25, 2020 12:07pm
- mark15
  
  Thanks mods for protecting us from hate speech.
  
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  January 25, 2020 12:53pm
- madamezucchininz
  
  …..not only as a media attention tool…..but as a shield should anyone dare to hold her to “account”, which is much less likely due to the “cuties” presence..we don’t get a glimpse of the child for months and months and then she is wheeled out when trouble is brewing with the “Dames”,
  
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  January 25, 2020 1:28pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    Dragging her out only when it suits her, and the fact that she talks about Neve at other times as if she is someone else’s child, makes you realise that Neve is just a marketing tool to Jacinda. There is no compassion, no motherly bond, no depth of connection.
    
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    January 25, 2020 2:57pm
Michael NZ

i upticked Mikey on religious choice for parents but couldn’t do a reply post to support him.
clicked and it gave me no box to write in?

has anyone else had this problem.?

also couldn’t find this box unless i exited the thread and came back in?
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January 25, 2020 10:28am
- Biscuit
  
  Yep, Michael.
  
  I have found that swearing a lot helps!
  
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  January 25, 2020 11:33am
  - Tall Man
    
    Just not the one that the non male green mp threw out at her audience including children….. I tried and got a smack 😉
    
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    January 25, 2020 12:51pm
- Tall Man
  
  “Lost for words”?
  
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  January 25, 2020 12:50pm
Ruahine

I read that the abusive and bad tempered Serena Williams is out of the Australian Open.
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January 25, 2020 10:35am
chaos

Time randy comes clean.

* Jeffrey Epstein’s former “mentor” has revealed how the disgraced paedophile would boast to his friends about how he was going to sell Prince Andrew’s secrets to Israel’s intelligence agency Mossad.

Steven Hoffenberg also revealed Epstein called the Duke of York his “Super Bowl trophy” and that the pair’s friendship began years earlier than the royal claims.

Hoffenberg helped Epstein mastermind one of the biggest Ponzi schemes in history before the two were caught by the FBI.*

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12303369
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January 25, 2020 10:42am
- Stephieboy2
  
  Sell secrets to Israel etc ??
  
  Seems like a tall , tall, tall story
  
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  January 25, 2020 10:58am
  - JackRabbit
    
    I don’t the veracity of the story – yet
    
    But what aspect is tall?
    
    That money exists?
    That people trade things for money?
    That people with vested interests might trade information for money?
    The Israel might have a secret service?
    
    Your opinion is an opinion. Be specific for once. Put your own ideas on the table instead of being a barking dog. Just once.
    
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    January 25, 2020 11:09am
    - Stephieboy2
      
      JackRabbit, yes an opinion just like yours. I don’t believe Epstein conspiracy theories like he didn’t commit suicide.
      
      Do you ?
      
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      January 25, 2020 11:58am
    - chaos
      
      Weird that the blogs local troll knows more than a former businesses partner/friend of Epstein.
      
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      January 25, 2020 8:42pm
chaos

No, really, who would of guessed this would happen with a government that is soft on crime and criminals

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/01/crime-up-police-data-shows.html

* Police figures show there were 278,644 “total victimisations” in the 12 months to November 30, up 7.1 percent on the year before.

Of those, 77 were against property and 23 against people. Assaults were up 7.9 percent and thefts up 7.6 percent……

The Government has boosted police numbers by 900 since then.*

But wait where are the new 1800 police they said they promised and delivered, oh that’s right another government LIE
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January 25, 2020 10:45am
Lance

The Herald reports that the latest Locus plague is caused by AGW.
Considering these sort of events are recorded in the Bible, this conclusion seems beyond idiotic.
If they produced evidence stating, for example, that Locus plagues have historically had a 7 year cycle but are now on a 2 year cycle or something like that, it might be worth thinking about… but oh no, it’s just any Locus plague now.
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January 25, 2020 10:56am
- mark15
  
  AGW is the new tomato sauce.
  Goes with anything you want.
  
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  January 25, 2020 12:55pm
JibberJabber

TS sums up Arderns` Cabal of Losers Govt in one short Tweet,

Thomas Sowell
It is so easy to be wrong—and to persist in being wrong—when the costs of being wrong are paid by others.
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January 25, 2020 10:57am
Happychappy

Well another fail for the Coalition of misfits with crime figures up up 7% on last year to go with Unemployment figures, Sawmill closures and many other problems like Pike River Mine.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/01/crime-up-police-data-shows.html
It looks like wanting to lower the prison figures by Andrew Little and Kelvin Davis might have to again be revisited and reevaluated.
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January 25, 2020 11:04am
- Prince
  
  Far from it, Labour have broken that relationship between crime and prison.
  The prisons are full and they cancelled the new builds, so there is no option to ‘explore’ extensions to home detention, and sending criminals to a marae or treatment centre.
  The result is predictable as seen in these figures.
  
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  January 25, 2020 11:52am
Sir Cullen's Sidekick

Maori at Ratana are bending backwards to please the Princess and her baby. I don’t know why Bridges even bothered to go there. It looks like National got one vote in Ratana booth. Bridges may as well wash his hands off. He ain’t getting nothing. I am sure Labour will sweep all seven Maori seats this time also.
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January 25, 2020 11:08am
- Tall Man
  
  All I would say is watch this space.
  
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  January 25, 2020 12:01pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I am sure Labour will sweep all seven Maori seats this time also.
  
  They’ll get 6 for sure… but watch Te Tai Hauāuru.
  Labour only hold the seat by 1039 votes.
  
  Debbie Ngarewa-Packer might give Rurawhe a run for his money.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12275918
  
  Especially as the Green vote for Jack McDonald has disappeared.
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/08/green-party-candidate-jack-mcdonald-quits-over-james-shaw-s-centrist-drift.html
  
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  January 25, 2020 1:54pm
  - DeepBlue
    
    Green guy has endorsed Maori candidate, but Party vote Green. Green co leader M say that was his personal choice, but aren’t they meant to be totally against this kind of Epsom deal?
    
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    January 25, 2020 2:14pm
Stephieboy2

“Giant koala sand art captures Australian bushfires emotions”

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-australia-51217664/giant-koala-sand-art-captures-australian-bushfires-emotions
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January 25, 2020 11:08am
- Inandout
  
  Read this step2 and think.
  
  https://thebfd.co.nz/2020/01/morrison-is-not-rolling-over-to-the-krazy-klimate-kult/
  
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  January 25, 2020 11:58am
  - Stephieboy2
    
    Another dreary Aussie rabid right wing rag?
    
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    January 25, 2020 2:26pm
Manolo

Italy’s left-wing government could fall as a result of Sunday’s election…and the MSM cannot hide its disappointment.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/13/matteo-salvini-return-a-regional-vote-in-italy-risks-further-chaos-in-rome.html
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January 25, 2020 11:33am
- Stephieboy2
  
  Manolo, and what could be the attraction of a right wing government like Rogrigo’s Dueterte,’s ,
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/08/rodrigo-dutertes-drug-war-is-large-scale-murdering-enterprise-says-amnesty
  
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  January 25, 2020 2:29pm
Maggie Pie

O.M.G. – what an abfab weekend this is going to be!
The sea is like glass. Just wandered back up from the beach to prepare lunch.
My partner drove over to the Hot Bread Shop in Manly earlier on. He was saying it appears to have new Vietnamese owners. Looks to me like mock-cream in the donuts now as well. Other than a few locals, the beach here is almost deserted. Although my partner said Manly was heaving – hoons everywhere. Was quite sad to read that Louise Nicholas’ daughter could be facing life in prison for supplying Meth 🙁

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12302751
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January 25, 2020 11:41am
- chaos
  
  I had an addiction in primary school, like most of us. Oh the day newsletters were printed off and everyone put up their hand to be the person to print them and smell them. Ah, freshly printed test pages. Sigh, I miss that addiction.
  
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  January 25, 2020 12:39pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Cyclostyle machine. The smell was methylated spirits
    
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    January 25, 2020 2:54pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    My partner has his own addiction. Whenever he’s away for a week or so
    on a hunting trip, he’ll often txt me before he’s due to come home and tell me
    not to bath 😛
    
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    January 25, 2020 3:33pm
    - chaos
      
      A week on a hunting trip, surprised he doesn’t tell you to go down to the Remuera Chinese wet market and get their special perfume.
      
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      January 25, 2020 6:43pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Do you mean their: ‘Essence of Sweet & Sour Beef Flaps’ ?
        
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        January 25, 2020 7:09pm
Happychappy

It looks like Bernie Monk likes to think he knows it all and voice his opinion against the mother of one of the victims Richard Hollings, mother Marion Curtin says ‘ enough is enough’ ,Re- entryhas already spent to much. Curtin wants to see the Recovery Agency publish a statement of accounts showing exactly how the millions have been spent.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12303113
I wonder how Andrew Little is feeling about this as the taxpayer needs to have the facts and figures to know if this was a orchestrated witchhunt or not.
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January 25, 2020 12:01pm
- Komata
  
  Happy@1201
  
  Bernie likes both the money and the media attention, so of course he will challenge the lady’s comment. He’s not about to let the tap be turned off, especially as the incident has made him a wealthy man.
  
  Expect more of the same…
  
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  January 25, 2020 1:52pm
  - MrTips
    
    How is Monk making sweet moolah out of this? Interesting if he is.
    
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    January 25, 2020 3:48pm
  - Inandout
    
    Komata, the old hotel business on the West Coast must be quiet now.
    
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    January 25, 2020 6:09pm
Sydney Alvarado

Every year at this time I hear about Ratana. I hear about politicians visiting somewhere. I have no idea what it is or why it happens. Them for the next 12 months I hear nothing about Ratana.
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January 25, 2020 12:19pm
- sam green
  
  Try Rātana: The Prophet by Keith Newman. Learning and all that.
  
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  January 25, 2020 1:05pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Here you go:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C4%81tana
  
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  January 25, 2020 2:27pm
Fletch

Are people really dropping dead in the streets in Wuhan?? ?

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/infected-people-seen-dead-streets-21345585
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January 25, 2020 12:45pm
- secondcumming
  
  Similar scene outside a *Chinese Takeaway Bar* in Upper Queen Street recently as well. People can only blame themselves of course …..like a lot of others, it was displaying an *E Grade Cerificate* 😎
  
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  January 25, 2020 1:16pm
  - Stephieboy2
    
    secondcumming, more scraping the bottom of the barrel of your tabloid rag brain?
    
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    January 25, 2020 2:35pm
    - secondcumming
      
      The same people who get offended by my posts, are the same people who take *Mini-Golf* seriously 😎
      
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      January 25, 2020 5:54pm
- Stephieboy2
  
  Fletch, why do you think we should believe in a tabloid rag like the Daily Star?
  
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  January 25, 2020 2:34pm
  - Fletch
    
    Um, there’s video. I’m not saying I believe it. It looks kind of weird…. I just don’t know.
    
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    January 25, 2020 5:44pm
- chaos
  
  Fletch, a nurse has released a video from inside the hospital
  
  https://twitter.com/Tominmedill/status/1220863309823410177
  
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  January 25, 2020 4:32pm
mark15

‘We don’t want anyone in prison’
Remember that?
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January 25, 2020 1:02pm
Komata

Sydney@1219: As it’s a long story, I would suggest tgat you Google ‘Ratana- Wiki’ and read what the resulting article says.

Labour go to Ratana Pa every year to remind that cult’s followers about how good Labour have been to both them as Ratana believers and to Maori generally over the past year, and that as a result they just HAVE to vote for Labour again to get more lolly.

Conversly, ( and by very strong implication), should ‘Ratana’s’ foolishly vote for the Nats, the world will end and the freebies will also end (even when NO freebies have been given out).

It’s a vote-catching exercise pure and simple, and the tragedy is that, being essentially tribal, the group’s adherants will unthinkingly vote as their leaders direct them to. Whether or not financial ‘incentives’ are given to said leaders to ‘persuade’ them to issue such a directive, could, of course, be debated.

The ‘Ratana’ vote is substantial and it is in Labour’s interest to ensure that it continues to come their way. Several years ago however, said vote went instead go to the Maori Party and the Labour Party lost all but one of the ‘Maori’ seats as a result!

The Labour Party has never forgotten, hence the ‘Annual’ visit to Ratana to ‘cosy up’ to the Ratana leadership, and remind them that they (Ratana) ‘owe’ Labour ( although exactly what is ‘owed’ is at times not defined).

This exercise is, of course, an annual one and will continue until Ratana leadership decide otherwise, at which point expect the usual ‘ Moon and stars’ promises from Labour.

For many years, and recognising the political realities (that Ratana and Labour were ‘joined at the hip’), the Nats did not in fact attend these gatherings, deeming them of little use. However John Key (I think) changed that and made a point of attending, if only to be ‘seen’ by the media. The Nats know that due to their different ideologies, they really have little in common with Ratana and so go for the photo ops and to remind those who might be interested, that there is in fact another non-Labour alternative political party available to them.

Hope this helps and apologies for the length of the reply. Thanks for asking.
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January 25, 2020 1:42pm
- Prince
  
  It is important to note that, to the media, the Ratana cult event is a wonderful thing, not to be confused with, for example, a political party meeting with the Christian ‘Exclusive Brethren’, which would signal the end of the world.
  
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  January 25, 2020 4:29pm
DeepBlue

If you have Facebook it is fascinating insight to read the most popular comments on political news posts… It seems the ‘nine years of neglect’ concept is still resonating with Labour voters.

I’d like to see a counter message by National before Labour start saying, ‘After 3 years we still haven’t made as much progress as we hoped because the problem was so bad , after nine years of neglect’. Any suggestions?
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January 25, 2020 2:17pm
- Prince
  
  Three years of ‘Studies, Commissions and Reports’ drift
  
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  January 25, 2020 4:24pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Troughing the most important thing.
    
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    January 25, 2020 8:50pm
- Humble Capitalist
  
  If the 9 years of neglect was that bad why have Kiwis voted National as easily the most popular political party for four successive elections. Thats my counter to the 9 years of neglect bullshit.
  If the neglect was that bad National would have got arseholed out after 1 or 2 terms like most Labour led outfits. Certainly wouldnt have got 44.5% of the vote seeking a fourth term either. Which is way more than Helen Clark ever achieved by the way!
  
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  January 25, 2020 5:21pm
Maggy Wassilieff

First confirmed Coronavirus case in Melbourne.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/119043570/first-coronavirus-case-confirmed-in-australia

Didn’t take long…..
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January 25, 2020 3:11pm
- MrTips
  
  I am sure we have it here already and our health minister and PM will find out when they read it on the news………..
  
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  January 25, 2020 3:21pm
  - chaos
    
    But they will claim that is negative fake news election crap
    
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    January 25, 2020 4:29pm
  - Inandout
    
    MrTips, being in government doesn’t exclude you from catching this virus. It will spread like wildfire in ‘diverse’ Auckland. I can see Ministers driving to Wellington instead of flying commercial.
    
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    January 25, 2020 6:13pm
- Jack5
  
  Wuhan hospitals overwhelmed, reports the South China Morning Post:
  
  https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3047613/china-coronavirus-wuhan-residents-describe-doomsday-scenes
  
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  January 25, 2020 3:25pm
- chaos
  
  Yeah, more cases in Europe as well.
  
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  January 25, 2020 4:09pm
- chaos
  
  These are interesting
  
  https://www.businessinsider.com.au/scientist-simulated-coronavirus-pandemic-deaths-2020-1
  
  https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.23.20018549v1.full.pdf
  
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  January 25, 2020 5:10pm
- chaos
  
  Maggy your article is showing as updated
  
  * There are two probable cases of coronavirus in NSW and four other people possibly have the disease, health officials have announced.
  
  All six patients are undergoing hospital testing and the two probable cases have been fully isolated.*
  
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  January 25, 2020 7:03pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Correct, and the guy in the Melbourne case flew from Wuhan via Guangzhou.
  Last time I saw Minister Clark open his stupid trap on this topic he said we don’t have a problem because we don’t have a direct flight from Wuhan.
  We will have deaths in NZ before our useless Govt. admits they don’t know what they’re doing.
  
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  January 25, 2020 7:38pm
  - chaos
    
    It’s stilly really because we have people in the country from there that flew here with connecting flights, and a shit load of students due here shortly. He is not capable of being a health minister. But are we surprised, they dropped the ball with the measles, they dropped the ball and lied with the meningitis vaccine and flu vaccine.
    
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    January 25, 2020 7:54pm
  - sooty
    
    Surely Clark can’t be that stupid, that’s a Twyford right there!
    Comrade Cindy, you have got some plonkers in your cabinet! But then you should have figured that out by now all by your self!
    Are you going to fix it is the question!
    
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    January 25, 2020 7:59pm
    - DigNap15
      
      I hope she does not realsie it.
      And I hope she does not fix it
      We need them out!
      
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      January 25, 2020 11:21pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Some good news:
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/nick-sandmann-posts-photos-of-his-return-to-march-for-life?fbclid=IwAR2A9pFsRxtugZGAxoXn4s5x8jgaGvq8OE2_tcXojDN7C3G2SBlDC6JUlgg
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January 25, 2020 4:22pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I trust no-one is subjecting our moderators to PTSD.

Facebook and YouTube moderators sign PTSD disclosure
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-51245616
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January 25, 2020 4:41pm
- chaos
  
  I believe David makes them sign a troll traumatic stress disorder disclosure
  
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  January 25, 2020 4:57pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggy, does TDS come under this category?
  
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  January 25, 2020 6:16pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I think it’s the readers that need insurance against exposure to that particular affectation.
    
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    January 25, 2020 6:56pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Not me ? I’m vaccinated against poli syndrome….. I just don’t like her ?
      
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      January 25, 2020 9:28pm
tedbear

The Chinese city of Wuhan is set to build a hospital in six days in order to treat patients suspected of contracting the coronavirus.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51245156

David Clark should pop over and get advice on how to speed up the Dunedin Hospital re-build.
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January 25, 2020 5:56pm
- chaos
  
  This is modelled after that Xiaotangshan SARS hospital, which is no longer in use, so no the one place we don’t need advice on how to build a hospital is china
  
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  January 25, 2020 6:37pm
rererangihirihiri

Strange pictures coming out of China.
They say they are going to have completed a 1000+ bed hospital in Wuhan in less than 2 weeks.
The site is jam packed with excavators that look like they are just passing buckets of dirt amongst themselves. Not a dump truck in sight.
Maybe it is staged to assure the billions that the authorities have ‘got this’.
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January 25, 2020 6:14pm
- chaos
  
  No, they did this before with the SARS, and it is modelled after that hospital which took a week to build then
  
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  January 25, 2020 6:36pm
- DigNap15
  
  Yes, most of the workers look like Caucasian!
  But they did build a hospital in 2 weeks for the Sars epidemic, so I don’t doubt that they will do it.
  Probably just a useless MSM reporter.
  
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  January 25, 2020 11:20pm
rightoverlabour

Diddums. No one except the daft care what you have to say. Why don’t you go and look at your hated CO2 molecules….

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12303390

Seriously, stop lecturing adults. Once you have a Masters at a minimum in Physics, Statistics or Climatology, come back and join the party.
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January 25, 2020 6:59pm
- chaos
  
  I expect she will head back to the USA to interfere in the election latter in the year
  
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  January 25, 2020 7:05pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  She’s 17 and hasn’t even started senior Secondary schooling. (3 years in Sweden).
  Her educational prospects are being screwed around.
  
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  January 25, 2020 9:34pm
  - sooty
    
    Will Comrade Cindy and her ugly aunt will bring Greta here before the election!
    
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    January 25, 2020 9:58pm
chaos

Interesting video

* Coronavirus – Inside info and discussion*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk5XkhUKMDM
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January 25, 2020 8:19pm
MrTips

First data published from Wuhan.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30183-5/fulltext

Small population but notable for 1) seafood market is almost clearly the source and 2) 15% death rate.
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January 25, 2020 10:09pm
rightoverlabour

While I am at it, this climate change indoctrination from Hipkins and Shaw. I am assuming the teachers presenting this stuff will have university papers in at least 1st Year Geography where Climatology or Meteorology was taken. The problem with the whole understanding the climate issue is that it is insanely complicated and some of the best brains in the world can’t agree on what is actually going on. There seem to be three main groups emerging now, alarmists who maintain that CO2 is a major player in determing atmospheric temperature, luke warmists who maintain there will be minor increases with CO2 changes, and a whole bunch of physicists who maintain that temperature is purly a function of pressure, and is independent of the gasses that make up this pressure. But of course the science is settled. Greta said so.
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January 25, 2020 10:10pm
Hugh Pavletich

… CHINA … CORONAVIRUS …

Coronavirus Live Updates: China Suspends Tours Abroad as Xi Warns of ‘Grave Situation’ … The New York Times

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/25/world/asia/china-coronavirus.html

The authorities reported 15 new deaths in Wuhan, the center of the virus outbreak, including a medical professional in his 60s.

RIGHT NOW

The State Department has ordered all American workers at the U.S. Consulate in Wuhan to evacuate, as the city of Beijing limited travel.
Here’s what you need to know:

• China moves to restrict travel, including tours abroad.
• Fifteen more deaths are reported, including a medical specialist.
• Xi Jinping, China’s leader, says the nation will ‘beat the epidemic.’
• U.S. orders the evacuation of American consulate employees.
• Hong Kong declares a state of emergency and shuts schools.
• People without symptoms could be spreading the virus.
• China is building two hospitals to fight the outbreak. Projected completion time: 10 and 15 days.
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China coronavirus spread is accelerating, Xi Jinping warns … BBC

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51249208
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