General Debate 21 January 2020

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Tariana Turia has described Ardern as “out of her depth” . Last year at Waitangi the PTPM told Maori to “hold me to account” at this year’s fast approaching Waitangi Day.

Time for a difficult conversation Cindy? Head cocked to one side, pouting…Um ah, hugs anyone?
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January 21, 2020 8:00am
- cmm
  
  She des not mean “hold me account for my achievements”
  
  What she really means is we should hold her account for looking sincere, trying, being earnest, etc.
  
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  January 21, 2020 8:19am
  - stigie
    
    Vote NZ First to keep Labour dishonest !~
    
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    January 21, 2020 8:21am
    - Tall Man
      
      Lie down with dogs and get fleas in your undies…
      
      The question was, between labour the “aspirational liars” and “what’s in it for wynston”… who’s giving the fleas?
      
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      January 21, 2020 8:37am
      - RoboRob
        
        Winston is providing the fleas. Labour are clueless, talentless, ideologists but propably they believe they are doing the best for the country. Winston is all about empowering himself.
        
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        January 21, 2020 9:49am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    AAAHHH, I get it, it’s an Oscar Wilde moment.
    Because it is the “Importance of being Earnest”
    an excellent read.
    
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    January 21, 2020 9:09am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  How dare she!
  
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  January 21, 2020 8:40am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  She wants Maori votes and it’s election year. Hold on to your wallets and expect an announcement.
  
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  January 21, 2020 8:52am
  - Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
    
    About time for the annual Ratana cirus and sideshow to begin. Loads of hugs and promises on offer……..
    
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    January 21, 2020 9:03am
    - sooty
      
      Why is it that everytime I drive past the Ratana pa road on state hwy 3 is there roadside signs saying there is an event!
      Do they have a tangi every day?
      A visit by the Commie Princess every week?
      Or are they just too lazy to take down the signs?
      
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      January 21, 2020 9:17am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Quite clearly, you driving past is the event.
        
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        January 21, 2020 9:58am
  - GoVege
    
    The dames are apparently put out that they think they are “expected to be grateful for receiving anything at all” from the government coffers.
    Yonks ago when we received WWF for a few years, I recall the Winz workers constantly reminding us that they have to be careful to dish out the correct amount and no more, because it was public money.
    Maybe these Dames need reminding that the cash being handed over doesnt just drop out of the sky.
    It had to be earned by the sweat of somebody’s brow….
    
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    January 21, 2020 11:31am
    - pdm
      
      `I recall the Winz workers constantly reminding us that they have to be careful to dish out the correct amount and no more, because it was public money.’
      
      Does not apply now – Carmel Sepuloni is all for dishing out as much taxpayers dosh as possible without any accountability whatsoever..
      
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      January 21, 2020 12:59pm
- Ruawai
  
  Suspect the Maori party will try and take back the Maori seats this election from Labour.
  
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  January 21, 2020 10:11am
  - fernglas
    
    Good. They did more for their people in a couple of terms as a minority party than this Labour-led Government has even threatened to do.
    
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    January 21, 2020 10:43am
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      There is no ‘their people’. We’re all New Zealanders. Nobody should be trying to use the political system to benefit just those of their own race.
      
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      January 21, 2020 11:00am
      - fernglas
        
        I guess their people are the ones who elected them to the Maori seats they once held. Plenty of politicians of all stripe try to benefit the people who elected them. In this case they were fortuitously Maori.
        
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        January 21, 2020 12:59pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The Maori Party has been gutted.
    
    It’s now just a spent force centred around W(h)anganui.
    
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    January 21, 2020 10:48am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Apologies Maggy, I’ve accidentally down ticked you.
      Your’e likely right about the Maori Party partly because of the inter tribal feuds. However many Maori are apparently rootless and the Maori Party may offer some hope for them.
      
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      January 21, 2020 11:04am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        However many Maori are apparently rootless and the Maori Party may offer some hope for them.
        
        It may, but the General election is not too far distant ..and as far as I can see there’s little happening on the ground with the Maori Party.
        
        They’ve got one candidate up so far…
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12275918
        
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        January 21, 2020 1:07pm
      - Harriet
        
        Given that the Maori party ran with National in government I wouldn’t be surprised that Labour now prefer maori seats to the maori party.
        
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        January 21, 2020 5:03pm
  - curry4me
    
    The last thing NZ needs is a revived racist party brownmailing National in a coalition.
    
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    January 21, 2020 11:16am
artemisia

This Whanau Ora application to the Waitangi Tribunal because more money please and ‘our people’ have to manage it ‘our way’.

The plaintiff Dames seem to have forgotten that Whanau Ora has never been for Maori only, but for all New Zealanders. In theory anyway.
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January 21, 2020 8:03am
- Happychappy
  
  Yes but they still have a point and for the Prime Minister not address the problem shows how She and Labour continually take the Maori vote for granted. When it suits Jancinda she will address the problem and that will only when there is something in for her, media headlines , votes or bad press that is hurting her. That is not the way to treat anyone when you have had correspondence that you don’t appreciate you are Prime Minister and everyone should be treated equally not ignored.
  
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  January 21, 2020 8:15am
  - artemisia
    
    Do the Dames have a point though? Sounds like they are saying the dosh is being redirected from one group to another group. One they control, the other not so much.
    
    Now if they can show the outcomes are better or worse, that would be worth hearing. But a transfer of inputs means nothing without a decent review of outcomes.
    
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    January 21, 2020 8:42am
    - DeepBlue
      
      Agreed, but it is wonderful to see the horrid headline in The Herald.
      
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      January 21, 2020 9:13am
    - GoVege
      
      They need a “decent review” of the antiquated customs and mindset that are making them dependent on government handouts.
      Everywhere in the world where people cling on to ideas that are obviously past their use-by date, you find poverty or dependency on welfare.
      Once chauvinist nonsense like women/ girls should be bearing as many children as possible from as early an age as possible, are replaced with females being valued for their intelligence and ability to contribute to society as equals to males, the dependency will reduce markedly.
      
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      January 21, 2020 11:46am
- Nickc2
  
  You are quite right artemisia but conveniently that has been forgotten. Perhaps Cindy will gift it to Maori on Waitangi Day? It will cost nothing, but will bring a bucket load of Maori votes.
  
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  January 21, 2020 9:44am
  - Ruahine
    
    She won’t be going to Waitangi empty handed. This year the Labour Party are giving the tribes control of the water.
    
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    January 21, 2020 11:59am
    - Nickc2
      
      You gotta be jokin Ruahine. If she does that, she and her lot are gonebergers.
      
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      January 21, 2020 1:39pm
- KH
  
  I have worked in the area as Whanau Ora is supposed to. Clearly it is really “Provider Ora” in that it provides cushy jobs and incomes and they don’t actually do anything much for the families.
  One person who was maori said to me. “We don’t want to go to those providers. All those people want to do is drive around in cars”
  As for Kaupapa methods nothing wrong with it. But Turia is not aware that any good agency non maori works with the whole family already, and thinks through the whole situation with a view to the wider issues.
  The idea that maori have some exclusive understanding that nobody else has is just marketing rot.
  
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  January 21, 2020 1:43pm
G152

Seeing as how she wasted all that time while National entertained her and her cronies why is any-one bothered
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January 21, 2020 8:09am
adamsmith1922

Lefties on Twitter eg Neale Jones, fantasising about National Office Robbery.
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January 21, 2020 8:10am
- RW Capitalist
  
  New Zealand’s “watergate” moment?
  
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  January 21, 2020 8:14am
  - Stephieboy2
    
    No. The premises next door were robbed the same earlier.
    
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    January 21, 2020 10:17am
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      Oh, that’s okay then…
      
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      January 21, 2020 11:05am
    - projectman
      
      A trial run just to create some doubt when the National office is done over.
      
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      January 21, 2020 1:20pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  I’m reassured to hear that Labour Party figures and some members of the public are convincing us that there’s no way any burglary of the National Party offices could have been politically motivated…
  
  8:20am and all is well in the peeps’ republik of aotearoa…
  
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  January 21, 2020 8:20am
  - backster
    
    That Hager chap is due to release a new book full of confidential quotes from sources close to the National Party about nine years of neglect.
    
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    January 21, 2020 10:04am
  - coge
    
    Do yourselves a favour. Move along, everyone knows burglaries happen.
    
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    January 21, 2020 10:14am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Ohariu MP Greg O’Connor, a police officer in a former life, has been copping an absolute pasting on Twitter for trivialising the burglary with a Forrest Gump tweet. He is well on his way to becoming a one-term wonder.
  
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  January 21, 2020 8:52am
  - Harriet
    
    Yep — biggest waste of space in parliament given his background.
    20yrs ago when I left NZ he was the most sensible person interviewed on the news and Holmes show.
    
    Wind him up – and tell him he’s Moody!!!! 😎
    
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    January 21, 2020 9:05am
    - pdm
      
      `Wind him up – and tell him he’s Moody!!!! ‘
      
      Don’t you mean give him a dress and tell him he is Moody?
      
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      January 21, 2020 1:05pm
  - igm
    
    O’Connor was gifted the seat when Dunne did a runner leaving National on the fence. He is gone this election, Ohariu being a decent electorate with the majority hard-working or business people.
    Not a large number of ratepayer/taxpayer-funded housing leeches or beneficiaries supporting Labour/Greens.
    
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    January 21, 2020 10:13am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Correct. By the time Dunne decided he wasn’t going to stand again, it was too late for Brett Hudson to run a full campaign for electorate votes. This time around, he’s been in full campaign mode since the last election. Ohariu will be come a National Party stronghold later this year.
      
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      January 21, 2020 11:04am
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      There are more bureaucrats now than three years but unlikely to be enough to give O’Connor a majority. Though he’s probably less bad than the person from the back end of Labour’s list who would get in if he doesn’t.
      
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      January 21, 2020 11:04am
    - MCos
      
      Dunne did a runner because he knew he was going to lose.
      Whether O’Connor hangs on, I wouldn’t know, I’m not from that area.
      
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      January 21, 2020 11:23am
      - BobbyS
        
        I live and have lived in the electorate for around 20 years now
        Dunne was very visible and very active in the community
        Hudson is just as visible and active, but maybe not 100% same as Dunne, maybe 80-90%
        O’Connor is active too but i’d suspect around 50% of Dunne
        Ohariu is very much centre of the political spectrum so i suspect it will move back towards National this election but the margin will be 1-2000 not massive
        Thats my prediction
        
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        January 21, 2020 12:53pm
  - Michael NZ
    
    yes please. Tony.
    Lets have all of them a 1 hit wonder.
    No NZF and No Greens.
    
    Labour at 30% and ACT at 7 % with National the remainder..
    
    Can they do it?
    
    Not with Silent Soiman methinks.
    
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    January 21, 2020 12:07pm
- peterwn
  
  Funny how Greg O’Connor tried to make cheap political capital out of it. He would have been whistling a completely different tune if his electorate office had been broken into.
  Another nail in his coffin. He won Ohariu through a stroke of good luck last time. He will not be so lucky this time. He will need to pass his CV round private detective agencies to see if any of his former Police mates will hire him.
  
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  January 21, 2020 8:57am
  - sooty
    
    Few would!
    Polishing seats because he was tits!
    
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    January 21, 2020 9:19am
  - igm
    
    Maybe he will become a retread!
    
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    January 21, 2020 10:14am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      That would require a vast improvement in intellect and character.
      
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      January 21, 2020 10:51am
  - softail 1450
    
    peterwn ,he could be a dope smoking critic ,checking out all the new product on the market and writing hard hitting reports on what he found,this is a guy that inhaled heaps when he was an under over cop.
    I wonder how many people he jailed for doing the same exact thing?,nobody could possibly think he could have gotten into the obvious state he’s in without some serious cannabis use when he was younger.
    
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    January 21, 2020 6:00pm
- stephen2d
  
  Probably collecting potential material for Hager’s new book. It is election year after all, he is due one surely.
  
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  January 21, 2020 9:39am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Q: Is it an advancement, if true, to go from hiring private detectives to go through the rubbish bins of Bill English to actual burglary?
  
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  January 21, 2020 10:50am
- Sacha
  
  The best fun was Sean Plunkett’s session on Radio Magic. yesterday afternoon. Apart from most callers agreeing that Nicky Hagar needed material for his 2020 pre-election expose, the winner seemed to be the bloke who said that it was Jamie Lee Ross – because the National Party had forgotten to take his office keys . . . . . .
  
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  January 21, 2020 12:04pm
  - peterwn
    
    Unfortunately, National had no right to demand the keys to his Botany electorate office. For an electorate MP the office is a matter between the MP and Parliamentary Services. The situation would be different for an electorate office run by a ‘buddy’ list MP as the funding for such electorate is via the party and the party will allocate the limited number of offices it can afford to best overall advantage.
    
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    January 21, 2020 2:02pm
cmm

Most of us have seen the video proving CO2 causes global warming by using a heat lamp and drinks bottles. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwtt51gvaJQ

This uses high concentrations of CO2 and a heat lamp, which is far higher than normal, because they want to speed things up and be able to clearly demonstrate the effects before the kids retire.

This experiment has been shown to hundreds of thousands of kids to prove climate change is real.

I am working on a similar project to prove that Bluetooth kills off the rain forest and coral reefs.

Of course Bluetooth is very low level and we need speed things up, so I will use a more powerful 2.4GHz source. Luckily I have a microwave oven kicking around.

Also, the whole rain forest won’t fit in my microwave, and there are biosecurity hassles, so I am using a pot plant.

Same with the coral reef in the sea, so I am using a cup of water with a bit of cauliflower it it – looks the same.

Ok, so after only 20 minutes the rainforest is dead and the sea has boiled dry and the coral is just dried out mush.

Clearly we should stop using Bluetooth immediately.
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January 21, 2020 8:16am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You have forgotten a few vital factors.
  
  1. You haven’t taxed anyone
  
  2. You haven’t produced a lousy alternative…. rednose…blackeye…. that we can all tune into
  
  3. I’m sure there is a 3.
  
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  January 21, 2020 8:33am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Ah, I think you’ll need to use alternative terms to rednose and blackeye in the contemporary milieu.
    
    Please try harder and report back…
    
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    January 21, 2020 8:46am
  - cmm
    
    Thanks for your guidance Maggy. I will team up with those other scientists – political scientists – to develop that part of things.
    
    I’m just focusing on developing my trough and the new base radio technology. I thought of calling it New Internet Wireless Access but NIWA is already taken. This new radio technology can only achieve very short range – 20 mm or so and low speeds – but at least we can call it sustainable so we can get governments to force people to use it. The political scientists might be able to help with that.
    
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    January 21, 2020 8:51am
    - JackRabbit
      
      Tin cans and string work up to a few metres. Even better if you have two sets, so you can transmit at the same time as receiving.
      
      -Environmentally friendly.
      -No radiation.
      -Recycle old tin cans.
      -We answer the age old question of how long is a piece of string (as long as it needs to be).
      -And I’m sure we could get big companies like Watties and McCains funding advertising that tells us how damaging Wi-Fi is.
      -And for speaker phone mode, just use those large 1 litre pineapple cans, thus supporting those pacific Islands.
      -It would create jobs as you would need to have two people at the end of each section to relay the message, and people in rowboats every few metres to cross rivers, lakes and oceans.
      
      The greens would jump at the chance. 😉
      
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      January 21, 2020 12:49pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        We could call it the
        Low power Universal Distance Information Transmission Efficient System.
        
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        January 21, 2020 1:19pm
  - BobbyS
    
    rednose…blackeye!!!!!!!!!!!
    Brilliant Maggy – that made my day
    i look forward to seeing the new iPhone 38 with advanced Blackeye technology
    
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    January 21, 2020 12:55pm
- Andrei
  
  The ideal gas law
  
  pV=NRT
  where p, V and T are the pressure, volume and temperature; N is the amount of substance; and R is the ideal gas constant.
  
  The CO2 in the warmer bottle is generate by alka seltzer and therefore the warmer bottle is at a higher pressure, with the volume being constant and this implies a higher temperature
  
  This is elementary thermodynamics, real science using the language of science, Mathmatics, a language the global warming hysterics are completely incompetant in
  
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  January 21, 2020 8:36am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    True, BUT some assumptions are made.
    1. The plastic bottle does not deform under pressure
    2. The actual alka seltzer tablet (solid) has no volume impact on the experiment.
    3. Assuming 1.(above) the bottle does not deform, the gas pressure above the liquid does not become so high that it impedes the alka seltzer tablet from becoming purely gaseous.
    Not to mention any other minor effects, of impurities in this “closed” system.
    
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    January 21, 2020 9:00am
  - cmm
    
    There are numerous defects in the experiment shown there.
    
    For example, the water CO2 container is milky with bubbles while the air one shows the colour of the desk behind it. This means the light (and heat) are going through the air container easier than the CO2 container with more heat and light are being absorbed by the bubbles. Result: CO2 container gets warmer regardless of what the gas is.
    
    … and of course 4 alkaselsers are going to pretty much make for close to 100% CO2 – not the little 300-400ppm tweak we see in nature.
    
    … and of course the one bottle contains air and water while the other contains CO2 and a the other a monosodium citrate solution. Hardly an apples to apples comparison.
    
    Aka junk science.
    
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    January 21, 2020 9:02am
    - JackRabbit
      
      From my lab, using bottles and lamps as per the original test as outlined, the correct scientific test would be:
      
      Take two 1 litre plastic bottles
      Fill each with 500ml of filtered water. i.e. no fluoride or chlorine.
      
      Mark one bottle A (400ppm)
      Mark one bottle B (500ppm)
      
      Put the cap on bottle A.
      
      Take a plastic bag, making sure it is flat. Breathe in NORMALLY, and exhale into the bag, inflating it.
      
      Remove 1 ml of air from bottle B and replace with 1 ml of air from the bag. Cap bottle B. Tricky to do but not in a lab.
      
      Put each plastic bottle upside down inside a close-fit 90% cover metal sleeve which is inside a 10 litre bucket of dry ice. Cover dry ice. Or better still put them in a freezer. Shine heating lamps on the base of each bottle, and monitor temperatures of air and water inside each bottle.
      
      Using bottles and lamps, this experiment is as close as possible to planet earth.
      
      You will see 5/8 of 3/4 of sweet F A temperature difference.
      
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      January 21, 2020 12:33pm
      - cmm
        
        Repeat 5x and explain any variability between tests.
        
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        January 21, 2020 12:58pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      And the one with the alka seltzer has a higher gas pressure.
      
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      January 21, 2020 12:34pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        I’m referring to the original test.
        
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        January 21, 2020 1:01pm
- Tall Man
  
  I like the “cauliflower” idea but I do see a forthcoming intervention by the fucking vegans………..
  
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  January 21, 2020 8:40am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Yes…in order to stop the sarcasm around this “experiment” they will eat the cauliflower (evidence).
    
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    January 21, 2020 9:02am
    - sooty
      
      I certainly hope they don’t stick it where the sun don’t shine!
      
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      January 21, 2020 9:23am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        That would be excrement
        Not experiment.
        
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        January 21, 2020 9:47am
    - Michael NZ
      
      Delicious RW
      
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      January 21, 2020 12:09pm
- JackRabbit
  
  “Most of us have seen the video proving CO2 causes global warming by using a heat lamp and drinks bottles. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwtt51gvaJQ”
  
  Love your humour cmm. 😉
  
  As you know, the demo is not a real simulation of an atmosphere, because it is plastic and an increase in pressure will result in an increase in temperature as per Boyles law. Pressure does not increase in the atmosphere. This is junk science. It would be a fail in classical school science, but a pass in some modern liberal tree hugging course.
  
  “If you cannot startle them with science, baffle them with bullshit”.
  
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  January 21, 2020 8:44am
  - Lance
    
    This sort of crap is the realm of the flat earther movement. Pathetic and inaccurate “experiments” to “prove” an idiotic premise.
    When asked about what he thought of flat earthers, Neil De-Grass Tyson labelled it a failure of the education system.
    I label this nonsense in the same terms.
    
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    January 21, 2020 9:20am
    - cmm
      
      … and it has some heavyweight names behind it: NASA etc.
      
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      January 21, 2020 9:41am
      - JackRabbit
        
        NASA = Never A Straight Answer.
        
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        January 21, 2020 12:57pm
      - cmm
        
        NASA = National Aeronautic and Space ADMINISTRATION.
        
        It is and Adminisistration, run by administrators for the benefit of administrators.
        
        They should not even be in the climate business. They are poaching on the turf of National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) who is in change of atmospheric research etc.
        
        But nobody does double-dipping better than government agencies!
        
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        January 21, 2020 4:32pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        cmm, you don’t kow what you are talking about:
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Observing_System
        
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        January 21, 2020 4:43pm
  - coge
    
    It’s what used to be known as a Victorian parlour trick.
    
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    January 21, 2020 10:18am
  - DeepBlue
    
    I’m curious about pressure and climate change.
    
    Can you answer, if we have extra energy in the form of heat from the sun, then why wouldn’t that energy in the atmosphere just expand out into space a little against gravity to accommodate a constant pressure in a bigger volume? In that way the 408ppm CO2 is equally concentrated as it was at 350ppm and therefore have nil effect on warming at the global level.
    
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    January 21, 2020 5:00pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      Food for thought.
      
      Here is more conflicting data.
      https://phys.org/news/2012-11-atmospheric-co2-space-junk.html
      
      They tells us that due to CO2 in the upper atmosphere, the upper atmosphere cooling.
      
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      January 21, 2020 6:22pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      There is a school of thought that CO2 is lower than it should be, because earth has been uninhabited for so long. We assume that any increasing CO2 is bad, but is it? Is it not just a byproduct of people?.
      
      The sheer increase in humans breathing in O2 and breathing out CO2 has tripled in the last 60+ years, plus all the animals and agriculture need to feed us, and all the technology need to support us humans.
      
      If you triple the number of cocktail parties you have, it is going to result in more crumbs and wine stains on the carpet. They are a natural byproduct of cocktail parties.
      
      Is CO2 not a byproduct of the number of humans on the planet?
      
      https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/05/17/the-correlation-between-global-population-and-global-co2/
      
      Having said that, what is the cause? People.
      So you either have to accept that more people create more CO2, and that the CO2 levels are within what the planet can handle, or we become more responsible and limit our selves to 1 or maybe 2 children.
      
      That being said, is the rising CO2 level causing temperature increase? I am not convinced.
      
      If we are to accept the premise that CO2 is rising too quickly, then why do Climate Change advocates never talk about the population increase. How many of them have publicly committed to one child. None. How many are advocating phasing out working for families or reducing child subsidies to avoiding encouraging people to pump out more kids. None.
      
      If publicly, Climate Change activists don’t take a stand and lead the way by setting a example by having less children, then it tells me that they expect other people to make the sacrifices, but not them.
      
      It is precisely this dishonest stance of the Climate Change and Extinct Rebellion activists, that causes lack of respect.
      
      Personally, I’m OK with the CO2 rise. I believe that man will find cleaner forms of energy.
      
      So either the Climate Change and Extinct Rebellion activists also accept that and become part of the solution, or they start leading the way by having less children.
      
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      January 21, 2020 6:22pm
- wreck1080
  
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  Doesn’t matter how many heat temperature records are being set — you and your mates have your head in the sand while the world continues to heat up.
  
  Of course, you’ll be fine, it is the people living 100 years or 200 years into the future that will pay for your sins.
  
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  January 21, 2020 8:49am
  - cmm
    
    If there were any “solutions” that were easy to implement then I’d say go for it – apply the precautionary principle reduce CO2 and screw the plants if they starve.
    
    But the costs are huge (and I don’t just mean money, but cost in lives etc, interfering with real problems that actually need priority etc too). The “solution” looks worse than the problem. Thus, we should still apply the precautionary principle and do nothing.
    
    Every time a wind turbine gets put in it drives up the cost of electricity. Result: old people suffering in the cold, industry wrecked, food production down and people dying of starvation.
    All the energy/tax/whatever put into “climate action” is energy not put into important stuff like real environmental degradation, sorting out political messes etc.
    
    Climate change provides a handy chimera for the worst people in the world to hide behind. Southern Africa has about 40 million people facing starvation due to inept governance and corruption, but let’s just blame climate change…
    
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    January 21, 2020 9:13am
    - JackRabbit
      
      >>”Southern Africa has about 40 million people facing starvation due to inept governance and corruption, but let’s just blame climate change…”
      
      Gone from being a bread basket to a cot case.
      
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      January 21, 2020 1:14pm
  - alloytoo
    
    We’re waiting for the climate to return to what it was during the preindustrial Medieval period.
    
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    January 21, 2020 10:00am
  - Michael NZ
    
    Yeah right wreck.
    
    It is false science. (LIE).
    If it were true they wouldn’t need to control the narrative.
    Redistribute wealth.
    Deny Tenure to anyone disagreeing with them.
    Shut you down with the science is settled rubbish (it never is).
    
    nada nada nada.
    
    When the global colling starts are you going to repay the money?
    No didn’t think so.
    
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    January 21, 2020 12:11pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    @wreck1080
    
    Entertain me.
    >>>”Doesn’t matter how many heat temperature records are being set — you and your mates have your head in the sand while the world continues to heat up. ”
    
    Can you please confirm:
    You have maximum of 1 child.
    No TV
    No computer
    No car of any description except a fuel cell car
    No mobile phone
    No internet
    You do not fly or take trains
    Your house is made of coated straw bricks.
    You grow all your own food planted with non GMO and non hybrid seeds.
    
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    January 21, 2020 1:12pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  I am still warning people:
  This is a Labour/Green govt.
  Sarcasm WILL be taxed.
  
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  January 21, 2020 8:53am
  - cmm
    
    That’s why I am using up all the sarcasm I have now, before Hugzilla makes a sarcasm buy-back scheme.
    
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    January 21, 2020 9:14am
    - Two fish and a scoop thanks Cindy
      
      We can bankrupt the bastards!
      
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      January 21, 2020 12:13pm
- tf78
  
  Best people don’t live in plastic bottles then.
  
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  January 21, 2020 9:00am
- Stephieboy2
  
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  CO2 and other greenhouse gases caused by human actvity does cause global climate change. Consider this scientific panel from the NZ Royal society for starters,
  
  https://royalsociety.org.nz/assets/documents/Report-Transition-to-Low-Carbon-Economy-for-NZ.pdf
  
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  January 21, 2020 9:02am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Once were scientists, now a bunch of bloomin’mind distorters.
    
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    January 21, 2020 9:21am
  - cmm
    
    troughers
    
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    January 21, 2020 9:22am
    - Stephieboy2
      
      cmm, very profound.
      
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      January 21, 2020 1:07pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Professor Ralph Sims (Chair) School of Engineering and Advanced Technology, Massey
    University
    A food technologist, who has only supported PhD’s in Philosophy.
    Professor Barry Barton Te Piringa Faculty of Law, University of Waikato
    A lawyer
    Dr Paul Bennett Science Leader, Clean Technologies, Scion Research
    Paul is the Science Leader for Clean Technologies at Scion. Paul has over 25 years experience in a variety of roles developing new technologies and business opportunities in biofuels….hardly an independent observer.
    
    Dr Nigel Isaacs Senior Lecturer, School of Architecture, Victoria University of Wellington
    an architect..really?
    
    Dr Suzi Kerr Senior Fellow, Motu and Adjunct Professor, Victoria University of Wellington
    an economist??? ask her where the $11 billion came from?
    
    Associate Professor Jonathan Leaver Associate Professor of Civil Engineering, Unitec Institute of Technology
    again…really?
    Dr Andy Reisinger New Zealand Deputy Director (International), New Zealand Agricultural Greenhouse Gas Research Centre, Wellington
    finally someone of possible relevance
    
    Dr Janet Stephenson Director of the Centre for Sustainability, University of Otago
    Dr Janet Stephenson is a social scientist … more irrelevance.
    
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    January 21, 2020 9:28am
    - SGA
      
      Looked up the first one, just as a reliability check
      
      A food technologist, who has only supported PhD’s in Philosophy.
      
      translation – he’s an engineer and one of his interests is bioenergy (e.g., biofuels).
      
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      January 21, 2020 10:35am
    - rangitoto
      
      Sir Isaac would never have allowed people like that in the Royal Society when he was running the show!
      
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      January 21, 2020 10:36am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Newton spent much of his life studying alchemy and the occuly, so perhaps he’s not the best example of your point.
        
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        January 21, 2020 11:00am
      - rangitoto
        
        So what. It wasn’t known to be a dead end at that time. Chemistry and atomic theory came much later.
        
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        January 21, 2020 12:46pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @mikenmildagain
        
        >”…alchemy and the occuly”
        
        Occuly gosh?
        Cabbage and Occuly?
        When my Alsatian died, I got myself occuly?
        
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        January 21, 2020 3:03pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        Great scientists like Sir Isaac Newton and Nikola Tesla studied science, often paying for research out of their own pockets, or from royalties from their patents.
        
        Most scientists today study science as a 9 to 5 job, and in order to continue to get funding have to deliver the results their employers are after.
        
        Many teach science and know its BS but do it anyway. Case in point the fraudulent “climate change experiment” youtube clip as talked about above, and shown to children. If I was a teacher and forced to show that to my students, I would resign on the spot.
        
        Too many people sell their soul just to get paid. Science is no different.
        
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        January 21, 2020 3:12pm
      - SGA
        
        Great scientists like Sir Isaac Newton and Nikola Tesla studied science, often paying for research out of their own pockets, or from royalties from their patents.
        
        I’m fairly sure patents didn’t exist in Newton’s day?
        
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        January 21, 2020 7:22pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @SGA
        
        The “or” conjunction allows for that possibility. Newton funded his own research.
        
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        January 22, 2020 7:11am
    - Michael Rodent
      
      A motley lot with questionable relevant expertise.
      
      They are well and truly trumped by the likes of the highly qualified 90 Italian scientists who have discredited the climate change alarmists :
      
      https://notrickszone.com/2019/07/04/90-leading-italian-scientists-sign-petition-co2-impact-on-climate-unjustifiably-exaggerated-catastrophic-predictions-not-realistic/
      
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      January 21, 2020 11:54am
    - Stephieboy2
      
      RW Capitalist, lets put forward a list of your cliamte change denial committee,
      
      Christopher Monckton ( snake oil travelling salesman)
      
      James Delingpole
      
      Anthony Watts ( Uni drop out )
      
      Steve Goddard ( alias Tony Heller )
      
      etc, etc
      
      LOL
      
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      January 21, 2020 1:14pm
      - alloytoo
        
        when argumentum ad populum crashes and burn…..
        
        …..argumentum ad hominem
        
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        January 21, 2020 2:36pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        The use of the word “denier” or “denial” nullifies your argument. Its a loaded question or hypothesis that is based on a wrong label. It implies that said people fit into a category of people who are (a) in “denial” of (b) a truth “that is settled”. (in your mind).
        
        Stephieboy2 are you still talking heroin?
        If you answer “yes”, you are taking heroin, If you answer “no” you are still taking heroin, but you are in “denial”.
        
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        January 21, 2020 2:59pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Hahahaha….
        you do realise James Cameron was a uni dropout, don’t you?
        
        http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1988080_1988093_1988085,00.html
        oh woops, you didn’t
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2020/01/general_debate_21_january_2020.html/comment-page-1#comment-2627331
        
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        January 21, 2020 8:38pm
  - Bell-47
    
    How about they explain that to a billion Indians and a Billion Chinese people? Why the fuck is the rest of the world being punished for their out of control population. Snowballs chance in hell of getting any tax money out of a single one of them..the above people are some of the world most allergic to paying any form of tax let alone a tax on some kind of western “:scientific” ideology.
    
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    January 21, 2020 9:44am
  - Justitia
    
    Well nobody has yet explained the “pre-industrial” baseline temperature against which we are committed under the Paris Agreement to restraining global temperature increase to within 2 degrees C. Until you do that you and the Royal Society are talking through the hole in your arse.
    
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    January 21, 2020 10:58am
    - JackRabbit
      
      I can’t wait to see the 82GB spreadsheet they use to factor in all the baseline data to nul out variations caused by the solar system and galaxy inputs.
      
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      January 21, 2020 3:36pm
      - Stephieboy2
        
        Gobbledygook for what?
        
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        January 21, 2020 6:37pm
  - cmm
    
    Stephie: “CO2 and other greenhouse gases caused by human actvity does cause global climate change”
    
    I’m sure the CO2 from non-human activity (volcanoes and goats – just wild ones – and by compost heap and microbes living in the bush and wetland) is fine.
    
    It is only human made CO2 that is imprinted with white male aggression that causes problems.
    
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    January 21, 2020 12:10pm
    - rangitoto
      
      You forgot neo-colonialism.
      
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      January 21, 2020 12:50pm
    - Stephieboy2
      
      Volacanic eruptions greenhouse gas output is minimal compared to manmade same!
      
      Fact!
      
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      January 21, 2020 1:16pm
      - alloytoo
        
        recent studies seem to suggest your “Fact” is well…..Less “Facty”
        
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        January 21, 2020 2:37pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        Raw data please, in the form of spreadsheets and tables. But you won’t be able to. Because the proof you claim to have, does not exist.
        
        Perhaps you could start with the catastrophic event in the last 2000 years where the eruptions were so large they covered the entire earth for a significant period. It has been recorded orally in many countries in the pacific and cave paintings drawn of it, it had to be huge.
        
        Start with specifics please, and no linking to someone else’s interpretation. Raw data please.
        
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        January 21, 2020 3:18pm
      - cmm
        
        Typical output of volcanoes is low, but the bugger that gets you is the atypical output when they erupt.
        
        Our little White Island has a “normal” output in line with a few thousand cows (I forget the numbers right now, but I checked them a few weeks back). However when it erupted, the output was thousands of times the typical output. One wee eruption from one wee volcano and all the wins from hypothetically killing off our dairy herd would be undone.
        
        Now imagine what it is like for a really big volcano.
        
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        January 21, 2020 4:38pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    No data that says that deviation to the existing Climate Change that has been caused by Man.
    
    This is the same NZ Royal society that agreed Oceans were probably rising at 3mm per year but admitted that there had been no change to the 1.5mm recorded on tidal gauges. Their supplied references – the core data, also showed no change in sea level rise.
    
    Bunch of idiots.
    
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    January 21, 2020 2:49pm
    - cmm
      
      I think you will find we are the idiots because we continue to keep these people in money and pay them to spout their nonsense far and wide – including flying to conferences so they can tell us how terrible we are for occasionally having a an overseas trip to Oz.
      
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      January 21, 2020 4:40pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        Yes, we are suckers.
        
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        January 21, 2020 5:42pm
    - Stephieboy2
      
      JackRabbit, where do you source your data sets and spreadsheets from?
      
      Anthony Watts or Christopher Monckton?
      
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      January 21, 2020 6:40pm
  - ronsegal
    
    Well there’s the old saying ‘no one ever got fired for choosing IBM’.
    No one ever got fired for supporting catastrophic AGW. But deny it and ….
    
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    January 21, 2020 7:30pm
- Notsofast
  
  Here is an interesting interview with a man of huge intellectual horsepower. He seems to believe in climate change.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/smart_talk/audio/2018723991/director-and-ocean-explorer-james-cameron-on-challenging-the-deep
  
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  January 21, 2020 11:15am
  - Stephieboy2
    
    Notsofast, good one and Sir David Attenborough is another,
    
    Climate Change The Facts,
    
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00049b1!
    
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    January 21, 2020 1:21pm
    - rangitoto
      
      You are right. The climate change alarmists are always trying to change the facts.
      
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      January 21, 2020 3:06pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      “Climate Change The Facts”
      
      Climate change his opinion and Climate Change “some” cherry picked facts.
      
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      January 21, 2020 3:27pm
      - Stephieboy2
        
        “some” cherry picked facts” ??
        
        Examples from the BBC documentary?
        
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        January 21, 2020 6:41pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      Since you are an “expert” Stephieboy, can you produce the list of damage to the atmosphere by Nuclear weapons and Dew weapons over the last 60 years and how that compares with man-made emissions? If you are a “scientist”, no doubt you will have the baselines all tabulated in a spreadsheet together with associated graphs.
      
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      January 21, 2020 3:30pm
      - cmm
        
        The only study Stephie could help you with is the knicker choices of teens in the St Lukes food court.
        
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        January 21, 2020 4:41pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @cmm
        
        Does he have that on a spreadsheet?
        
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        January 21, 2020 5:43pm
    - alloytoo
      
      ah
      
      argumentum ad verecundiam
      
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      January 21, 2020 7:53pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    “Here is an interesting interview with a man of huge intellectual horsepower. ”
    “He seems to believe” in climate change.
    
    Both Thomas Edison and Albert Einstein were supposed to have been intelligent men. But is was remarked about both men, that if they were not married or had housekeepers they would have died of food poisoning at an early age.
    
    Success at one thing does not imply being right in an another area. Unless they have solid principles underpinning their life, being so focused usually means they suck at other things. Climate Change is not a popularity contest. If is not a battle of who has the smartest dad, the biggest dick, or is most well known. It is about ideas, principles and science.
    
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    January 21, 2020 3:25pm
    - Stephieboy2
      
      JackRabbit , thinking about ideas and principles and science I much prefer to defer to these Nobel Lauretes than the pseudo-science of climate change denial,
      
      https://qz.com/444787/a-group-of-nobel-laureates-have-signed-a-declaration-calling-for-urgent-action-on-climate-change/
      
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      January 21, 2020 6:45pm
RW Capitalist

James Shaw on the AM show, promoting increased income tax, because the Govt. needs more money.
Why James? You and the rest of the CoL has wasted the money you do get.
He also lamented the failure to get a capital gains tax.
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January 21, 2020 8:16am
- peterwn
  
  Good. That will also scare the Remuera housewives into not voting the Greens if their housekeeping money could take a hit.
  
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  January 21, 2020 9:00am
- chaos
  
  I think I we all know the cgt isn’t dead yet
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/118864950/is-the-capital-gains-tax-really-dead
  
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  January 21, 2020 9:19am
  - tf78
    
    Cheers, you made my day NOT. The cheek of the working classless eh! I hope Jacinda realizes she’s moving out in October 2020 or is she going to be a very difficult state house tenant to be evicted.
    
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    January 21, 2020 10:59am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    The CGT is pining for the fjords.
    
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    January 21, 2020 2:32pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Go James, National needs you. You ably demonstrate to the voters the COL’s inability to manage even a coal bucket.
  
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  January 21, 2020 9:25am
- DeepBlue
  
  Shaw can’t be making much headway with Grant Robertson to change the budget responsibility limits and go further and further into debt.
  
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  January 21, 2020 9:31am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Grants doing quite a bit on that himself.
    
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    January 21, 2020 9:51am
- kloyd0306
  
  Govt needs more money?
  Is it weird or can we blame the education system.
  The left’s answer to practically everything is increase taxes.
  Yet spending less achieves the same aim……
  
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  January 21, 2020 9:51am
  - cmm
    
    You do not understand.
    
    The point of calling out problems is not to fix them, but to identify opportunities to spend more money in ways out luvvies can get their mitts on it.
    
    We spend the money to pay off the luvvies for their support – not to achieve goals.
    
    We measure things by how much we spend – not results.
    
    Why would be ever want to achieve more with less money?
    
    Is the hundreds of millions being spend in the North to achieve better outcomes by setting people up to become self-sustaining? Nope, it is a way of giving Jones et al a slush fund to increase their influence.
    
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    January 21, 2020 12:15pm
- ronsegal
  
  A cgt on property (not businesses) would be one plank in a realistic strategy to lower the cost of housing. However there are way too many voters keen to make a quick buck on property investment that for the time being no party will touch it.
  
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  January 21, 2020 8:34pm
Monique Watson

Don’t know if this came up in a prior GD but Golriz explains why tax = love.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/01/green-mp-golriz-ghahraman-explains-why-tax-love.amp.html

National should highlight this in their electioneering. That another Labour/Greens combo could tax incessantly to deliver better health outcomes.
Yeah right. Outcomes aren’t a strength of Socialist gummints. Just promises.
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January 21, 2020 8:26am
- JackRabbit
  
  Love = Tax.
  
  So forcing tax increases when promising not to do so, aka fuel tax, is that forced love, i.e. sexual assault?
  
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  January 21, 2020 8:50am
  - tf78
    
    No it’s actually rape as it was not consensual.
    
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    January 21, 2020 9:01am
    - Harriet
      
      “…….Love = Tax……..”
      
      Yep!
      
      Guys love each other, girls love each other, then they attend a sexual health clinic, then they love their own some more, then they again attend a sexual health clinic. Repeat several times a year.
      
      What again is the budget for gay health Golriz? 😎
      
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      January 21, 2020 5:53pm
- peterwn
  
  So the idea is to love the goose that lays the Golden Eggs to death.
  
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  January 21, 2020 9:02am
- cmm
  
  I’m sure this fits in with Islamic teaching she grew up with
  
  Men who do not correct their wives and beat them enough do not love them properly.
  
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  January 21, 2020 9:19am
- chaos
  
  Yeah but here is the funny thing, that love she got from the staff at the hospital came from over worked and underpaid staff, so tax does not equal love.
  
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  January 21, 2020 9:20am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  This Orwellian/Goebbelsian phrase was covered in KB a couple of years back.
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/04/the_orwellian_tax_is_love_campaign.html
  
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  January 21, 2020 1:41pm
peterwn

So people in UK are trying to raise half of a million quid so Big Ben can bong on Brexit day on 31 January. This would require temporarily re-installing the chiming mechanism.
I have a simpler solution. Simply hit it with a hammer or if that is too difficult then ping it with an air rifle.
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January 21, 2020 8:27am
- fernglas
  
  To celebrate departure from the EU they could turn it into a Swiss-style cuckoo clock; every 15 minutes Boris could pop out and say “got it done, got it done”. That way there would be no need for any more of that vulgar chiming.
  
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  January 21, 2020 8:39am
- MCos
  
  Alternatively save a million dollars and forget about it.
  Only a few people are within earshot anyway.
  
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  January 21, 2020 8:40am
- Jules99
  
  There are numerous recordings of it – can’t they use a loud speaker. You know, like the Muslims do.
  
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  January 21, 2020 9:03am
Maggie Pie

My partner shot up to Tindalls yesterday to check everything was okay at the house for Aniversary Weekend. The mower-man was there doing the lawns and was saying our neighbors, (a lovely German couple who are hardly ever there), have let their property for the holiday period to a family of Chinese. That’s the first time they’ve ever done that.

Actually, its really lucky my partner went up. He found two cockroaches scurrying around in the kitchen cupboard which he squashed 🙁 (That’s the first time we’ve ever seen those as well). In fact we were wondering if anyone in the group might be able to recommend an effective bait we can lay to eradicate them?
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January 21, 2020 8:32am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Were they German cockroaches, American Cockroaches or Gizzy Cockroaches?
  
  https://www.rentokil.co.nz/cockroaches/species/
  
  Now, if they were Gizzy cockroaches, tell them their holiday is over, put them in an envelope and send them back here.
  
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  January 21, 2020 8:50am
- marcw
  
  There’s never just two cockroaches – tip of the iceberg.
  
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  January 21, 2020 8:59am
- chaos
  
  Are you sure they were cockroaches and not Labour campaigners door knocking?
  
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  January 21, 2020 9:21am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Try a spray of Aussie tea tree oil (malaleuca). Mix a little with lot of water and it will get into most places by way of the vapour. It’s highly toxic to small critters (removes bed bug infestation too). Harmless to humans like that.
  
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  January 21, 2020 9:32am
  - chaos
    
    If you have dogs don’t use tea tree oil.
    
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    January 21, 2020 9:48am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      TTO spray would dissipate rapidly.
      Sweet orange oil is good biocide too and could be used similarly. I used it against nits and it’s full of turpenes. You can make it at home from orange skins.
      
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      January 21, 2020 11:13am
      - Michael NZ
        
        10 Lt Jug
        20+ orange peels.
        Let it soak for a week or so.
        Strain it.
        Throw the peels under the house
        Spray the cupboards including all the corners.
        Throw peels into the attic too.
        
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        January 21, 2020 12:18pm
      - Harriet
        
        “…..You can make it at home from orange skins….”
        
        There is thing called ‘being on a budget’.
        
        And then there is a thing called ‘being a tight arse’.
        
        And to add to the list – we now have a thing called ‘accountancy’ ! 😎
        
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        January 21, 2020 6:08pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Addendum:
        To make up something quickly buy the sweet orange oil. It’s available on line an possibly locally.
        About 1% concentration 10ml oil/litre water should be OK. It could be mixed with a dash of household dishwash liquid for blending.
        Lemon and most other citrus oils could be substituted.
        
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        January 21, 2020 6:59pm
- alloytoo
  
  They all come from Joe’s Apartment.
  
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  January 21, 2020 10:04am
Swifty

Surprised and saddened today to learn of the death of Sir Roger Scruton earlier this month.

I’ve been reading and listening to a lot of him lately and was unaware he had been crook.

A wonderful Englishman and who saw the best in things and wanted to conserve them.

Farewell Sir Roger.
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January 21, 2020 8:40am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Someone who was not afraid to change his mind about things.
  
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  January 21, 2020 9:33am
peterwn

So a second motorist has been caught with a damaged engine when using 91 instead with 95 petrol, and neither had any luck with the Tribunal.
While the dealer technically won in each case, they lose out publicity wise, in the recent $7000 dollar case IMO refunding the cost of fixing the engine would have well paid for itself through favourable publicity.
There are three easy things the industry can do to help avoid such grief and suffering. One is to put a sticker inside the filler cover advising that 95 or diesel as the case may be is to be used. Then add it to the information card displayed on used cars for sale and get a written acknowledgement from the buyer that 95 is needed.
Rental car companies should put a sticker on all their vehicle fuel cap covers indicating whether 91, 95 or diesel should be used. I recently rented a large Holden and tried thumbing through the handbook to check the fuel type, but gave up and put in 95 to be on the safe side. I noted this in their customer satisfaction survey and I hope they have now put stickers on.
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January 21, 2020 8:41am
- Inandout
  
  peterwn, a fool and his money are soon parted. If you buy a vehicle without checking the fuel type well you get what you deserve. As for rentals that is what you have a voice for.
  
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  January 21, 2020 8:54am
  - peterwn
    
    But not everyone are petrolheads. Since pretty well all run of the mill cars run on 91 OK (and 95 would make insignificant performance gains), people can be excused for thinking 95 is a premium product for Porches and the like and so there would be a general lack of awareness here. It seems more and more run of the mill European cars need 95 and are being sold to people unaware that they must fill them up with 95.
    Interestingly when the Auckland Harbour Bridge first opened, there was a spate of cars running out of fuel (when the car was going up or down the tank outlet could be left high and dry and petrol gauges are not accurate). The Bridge patrol would stick in a gallon of low octane fuel to see the motorists on their way and charge the motorist the cost of the petrol plus five shillings. Hopefully those needing higher octane petrol took it easy until they could get to the nearest petrol station.
    
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    January 21, 2020 9:17am
    - Ed Snack
      
      I think 98 is the “premium” fuel. The priimary difference in the octane rating is the reduced tendency to pre-detonate at higher compression ratios. Most modern engines have knock sensors to make adjustments to the spark advance/retard when this occurs, but there is a limit on how much they can adjust.
      
      This problem primarily affects turbo-charged vehicles because the turbo works by pushing more fuel/air mixture into the engine to produce greater power – and in the process effectively raises the compression ratio. Thus low octane fuel raises the risk of pre-detonation. And if such a vehicle is working hard, say going up a hill with a load, then there is very little that any engine management system can do to protect against the pre-detonation.
      
      Some non-turbo cars with particularly high compression ratios can also suffer this problem but typically less damagingly so than turbo (or super) charged engines.
      
      With a modern engine, turbo or otherwise, higher octane fuel does typically improve performance and economy a bit because the engine management system can be more aggressive as knock won’t occur so easily. However the improvement is usually less than the additional cost of the higher rated fuel.
      
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      January 21, 2020 10:56am
    - Sydney Alvarado
      
      “people can be excused for thinking 95 is a premium product for Porches and the like and so there would be a general lack of awareness here. ”
      
      Sorry I have no sympathy. High octane fuel is not related to whether a car is “luxury”. It is needed in cars with a high compression ratio to avoid premature detonation. I drive a 17 year old Toyota celica with a high compression engine. (OK laugh away but I like it and it is well cared for 🙂 ) It needs 98 octane fuel.
      
      Given the investment you make in a car, surely you can be bothered reading the manual or doing a quick google search? I am not a petrol head at all, but I can read a manual.
      
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      January 21, 2020 11:42am
      - Batman
        
        Yes you are technically correct but people are dumb and mainly think 95/98 is for fancy people with fancy cars…
        
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        January 21, 2020 12:10pm
  - rouppe
    
    Ten years ago I bought a 3l Subaru from Brendan Foote motors.
    
    I specifically asked what fuel it took. I was told 91. I questioned it, given there was a “premium fuel only” sticker in the flap. They said, “modern motors automatically adjust”.
    
    I never took their advice and only use 95 or 98. But I think it’s pretty shit when a business that sells cars doesn’t know what the product they sell requires in the way of fuel
    
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    January 21, 2020 10:48am
    - Sydney Alvarado
      
      “modern motors automatically adjust”
      
      Yes they do up to a point but with degraded performance.
      
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      January 21, 2020 12:02pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  You only need to use high octane in hot weather. Cars are designed to run at ambient temperatures of up to 50°C, and the critical thing is the temperature at end of compression which is 3x higher than ambient. Eg a 10°C increase in ambient makes for a 30°C increase in temp at end of compression. 50°C never occurs in NZ, even 30°C is rare, and that is a massive 60°C lower end of compression temperature that engines would have no trouble handling except for the fact the engine management standard spark advance maps are set up with slightly more advance to make use of higher octane fuels.
  
  Cars have knock sensors that detect onset of knock and retard spark to stop it, so in practice it shouldn’t be a problem, particularly if you use a light-foot in hot weather (full throttle is most dangerous for knock).
  
  Best would be just to have your engine management computer switched to a spark map appropriate to use 91 – which should be easy to do, the spark advance look-up tables for different octane numbers (in different markets) are created during engine development. Only problem might be car companies trying to stop this being done (they tend to try an impede parallel imports), but likely aftermarket tuners can get the spark tables and reprogram the engine management system in a few minutes.
  
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  January 21, 2020 9:51am
- cmm
  
  A rental car company would be stupid having any vehicles in its fleet that are damaged by the wrong petrol.
  
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  January 21, 2020 12:20pm
  - Sydney Alvarado
    
    Some have a few diesel SUVs. But I have never encountered a rental car that needs premium petrol. All the modern mainstream cars from Toyota, Nissan, Ford etc run on 91. And thats what rental companies buy.
    
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    January 21, 2020 12:59pm
Paulus

Just checked – my VW has it clearly state inside the filler cap area in several languages – only use RON 95 and higher.
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January 21, 2020 8:50am
- Batman
  
  Yeah I have a VW also and it clearly has a sticker from VW which says you should use 95 or higher.
  
  This is despite my car being a Japan import like the case cited above.
  
  I tend to agree with the tribunal that it is primarily the owner’s responsibility, not the dealer. Though this can be tricky when it is an import model with no physical manual so you have to go hunting online for one….
  
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  January 21, 2020 11:25am
Stephieboy2

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
In the same manner as Tommy Robinson Katie Hopkins gets taken to the cleaners by Piers Morgan describing her as a brain or two short, Also condemning her for disgusting remarks about drowned refugee women and children. Cockroaches she calls them. No different to Nazis and their dehumanising language towards Jews. Rats ta favourite metaphor. Piers feels Hopkins pushing the boundaries of free speech to the max.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGykXkakx10

Piers Morgan a really good guy and I doubt we have an equivalent riding our airwaves
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January 21, 2020 8:54am
- Ruahine
  
  I have given you an uptick Stephie. Love your sense of humour.
  
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  January 21, 2020 9:28am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    That’s a very lonely uptick Ruahine.
    
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    January 21, 2020 9:38am
    - Stephieboy2
      
      Captain Mainwaring, whats the appeal with Katie Hopkins and shall we add Tommy Robinson?
      
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      January 21, 2020 10:20am
      - chaos
        
        You are the idiot that keeps going on about them so why don’t you answer that
        
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        January 21, 2020 11:08am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Stuffy can’t tolerate the fact that Tommy Robinson, working class chap, can sit in an interview and intelligently explain why islamists have a problem with gender equality and how the grooming gangs use islamist excuses for their exploitation of ‘non-believer’ women.
        
        And Tommy can explain why Police and the Stuffys of this world would rather call anyone who questions these aspects of islam a ‘racist’ than actually defend women and girls against the gangs.
        
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        January 21, 2020 4:17pm
Inandout

Mike Hosking was caught a beauty by believing his CNN feed this morning. MSG food additive is harmless CNN told him..not true said the expert..MSG troubles some people only and otherwise can be eaten.
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January 21, 2020 8:57am
- Ruahine
  
  President Donald Trump say that CNN are fake news. Seems that he is right again.
  
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  January 21, 2020 9:30am
  - Inandout
    
    Ruahine, I am amazed Mike hasn’t told his bosses to spread their news sources, seeing he spouts ‘free speech’ so often.
    
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    January 21, 2020 9:48am
  - Stephieboy2
    
    CNN a paragon of truth compared to Fox , One America ,Breitbart etc!,
    
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    January 21, 2020 10:22am
    - herb1
      
      One needs a minimum level of intelligence , inquisitiveness and EQ to distinguish truth. Clearly none of the above are characteristics you seem endowed with
      
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      January 21, 2020 12:05pm
- alloytoo
  
  MSG is pretty safe, it’s been around since Roman times, however some people (often Children) respond with hyper activity.
  
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  January 21, 2020 10:15am
- Bell-47
  
  I have my doubts regards MSG. Many countries in Asia still use it in quantity including Japan where life expectancy is high, same too for China. Glutamate occurs naturally in Kombu seaweed; it can also come from dried shrimp or bonito flakes, or from fermented soy. In Japan, it’s usually found in ramen noodles a very popular staple eaten by most if not all Japanese. However, Mrs Bell-47 is from a poor SEA country and likely was not privy to western attitudes towards MSG all those years ago but still has a slightly rude but interesting wives tale about MSG in that high consumption could lead to the “loss of pubic hair”.., loosely translated from her language. So there does seem to be some awareness that it could be harmful though some people spend quite a lot of money on grooming the grass so may be a painless alternative?
  
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  January 21, 2020 10:19am
  - cmm
    
    IIRC your body even manufactures MSG during some processes.
    
    Like just about everything there is no such thing as inherently Good and inherently Bad chemicals.
    
    Your body needs trace amounts of arsenic to function correctly, but too much is not a good idea.
    
    Your body needs oxygen, but too much will kill you.
    
    Same for salt, sugars, etc etc etc etc…
    
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    January 21, 2020 12:28pm
tf78

Good to see that Premier House is available as a wedding venue -does anyone know who we need to contact. (asking for a friend)
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January 21, 2020 9:05am
- Tall Man
  
  080042732673…. 0800 HARDCORE.
  
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  January 21, 2020 9:13am
  - sooty
    
    That ginga Hughes was there aswell!
    How did he get in the country without been arrested, oh I know the current occupant of the house!
    
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    January 21, 2020 9:31am
- peterwn
  
  Seems to follow on from Bellamys Copperfields being open to the public on days when the House is not sitting. Just go through security, get a visitor sticker at the desk and go up the stairs. Can try the same pies that Megan and Gerry allegedly eat.
  
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  January 21, 2020 9:23am
  - sooty
    
    But do they bother making them without their biggest (pun) customers there?
    
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    January 21, 2020 9:33am
- Inandout
  
  tf78,
  ‘Upgrade costs for Premier House, official Wellington residence of PM Jacinda Ardern, triple to $3 million’.
  ‘In 2011, Hipkins was critical of renovations at Premier House under the previous government, including a $215,000 painting bill, a $55,366 spend on re-carpeting and more than $3000 on new blinds’.
  
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  January 21, 2020 9:52am
  - Ruawai
    
    Hipkins says he paid for the wedding but I bet the venue was free. Not like the proletariat having to pay for venues.
    
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    January 21, 2020 10:06am
  - tf78
    
    Cheers, you made my day NOT. The cheek of the working classless eh! I hope Jacinda realizes she’s moving out in October 2020 or is she going to be a very difficult state house tenant to be evicted.
    
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    January 21, 2020 10:43am
    - alloytoo
      
      The later I fear, she doesn’t really have any transferable skills.
      
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      January 21, 2020 11:10am
    - Nickc2
      
      What’s the bet the place will be trashed before she moves out? We are the landlords remember!
      
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      January 21, 2020 2:15pm
  - cmm
    
    What do you write for “perks” when you do your tax return?
    
    Blew out and tripled? Naah could nevva have happened on Robbo’s watch.
    
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    January 21, 2020 11:42am
Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes

I see at stuff they are running a story about 16,000 lies Donald Trump has uttered since his election. Bet they dont run the ruler over Jacinda, Winston and Shane Jones. I bet the only traction in the US about politicians and the lies they tell will focus on Bernie vs Elzabeth for the Democrats poison chalice nomination race. https://i.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/118920585/us-president-donald-trump-made-16241-false-or-misleading-claims-in-his-first-three-years
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January 21, 2020 9:18am
- mikenmildagain
  
  It would be hard for any politician to match Trump for the number and scale of outright lies. Politicians, or course, are famous for lying, but Trump has taken it to new levels.
  
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  January 21, 2020 9:36am
  - kloyd0306
    
    Trump said that you were intelligent…………
    
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    January 21, 2020 9:58am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    How about an example Mike? You have been asked for examples many time – we are still waiting.
    Examples, not opinions
    
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    January 21, 2020 10:18am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Easy. From the article:
      
      Trump has falsely said 184 times that he passed the biggest tax cut in history. Even before his tax cut was crafted, he promised that it would be the biggest in US history – bigger than Ronald Reagan’s in 1981. Reagan’s tax cut amounted to 2.9 per cent of the gross domestic product, and none of the proposals under consideration came close to that level. Yet Trump persisted in this fiction even when the tax cut was eventually crafted to be the equivalent of 0.9 per cent of gross domestic product, making it the eighth-largest tax cut in 100 years. This continues to be an all-purpose applause line at the president’s rallies.
      
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      January 21, 2020 10:25am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        So he exaggerated…….when JA said they would build 10 000 houses per year and they barely built 250 in 3 years…is that an exaggeration or a blatant lie?
        How about the trees?
        The poverty?
        Homelessness?
        Lying in general?
        Rents not rising?
        New taxes?
        Borrowing?
        
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        January 21, 2020 10:59am
      - rangitoto
        
        Where did Trump mention GDP in relation to this tax cut?
        
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        January 21, 2020 11:15am
      - cmm
        
        Ok, I’ll push back.
        
        How do you define the size of the tax cut?
        
        One way is to look at it as GDP, then you’d be right.
        
        Another way would be in absolute dollar amounts, then you’d be wrong.
        
        All I believe he said was that the tax reduction was the biggest ever at approx 1% of $20trillion = $200bn. Reagan’s was approx 3% of $4tn = $120bn.
        
        Is $200bn bigger than $120bn?
        
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        January 21, 2020 11:50am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        How could you compare tax cuts without a common scale?
        Easy – % of GDP or relative values: $120 billion in the 1980s is well over $200 billion today.
        
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        January 21, 2020 12:58pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Cindy also promised there would be not tax increases in her first term of office. Yea, but she did not mention levies for obvious reasons. Fuel tax hikes are only levies remember!
        
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        January 21, 2020 2:20pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        So full of shit Mike. Stuff did not report this, they repeated opinions from Glenn Kessler, Salvador Rizzo, and Meg Kelly. Guesss wher those 3 Trump hating clowns come from – and who they provide bullshit opinions to. They are TDS Americans and their outlet is the Washington Post. The Washington Post for fucks sake?
        You have not provided any examples – you have provide opinions and opinions only. Those 3 American clowns did not provide ANY examples. You have been caught by them and Stuff Mike. Hook, line, sinker, and most of your arm. Your debating skills are wholesale rubbish, but your continuous trolling is good. That is all you are – a shit stirring troll with comprehension issues. Your credibility is in the gutter today.
        Edit. The reason for the late reply is I was working – you know, earning the dollars to pay Tax on. Someone has to keep this bloody Country running, and it sure as fuck is not you.
        
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        January 21, 2020 5:37pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        So Trump’s lies are not lies if reported in the Washington Post?
        
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        January 21, 2020 8:19pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        That’s rich coming from you Smarmy Mike
        You’re the Biggest Liar on Kiwiblog
        Ahahahaha
        
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        January 21, 2020 9:15pm
    - Stephieboy2
      
      All False statements involving Donald Trump,
      
      DONALD TRUMP
      
      “They never thought … that I was going to release that call and I really had no choice because Adam Schiff made up a call.”
      — PolitiFact National on Tuesday, November 19th, 2019
      
      False
      
      DONALD TRUMP
      
      “Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff, and the rest of the corrupt Democrats made a promise to their crazy left-wing base that they would impeach me even BEFORE I took office.”
      — PolitiFact National on Tuesday, November 19th, 2019
      
      False
      
      DONALD TRUMP
      
      “The Kurds are much safer right now.”
      — PolitiFact National on Wednesday, October 16th, 2019
      
      False
      
      Plant open since 2013
      
      DONALD TRUMP
      
      “Today I opened a major Apple Manufacturing plant in Texas that will bring high paying jobs back to America.”
      
      — PolitiFact Texas on Thursday, November 21st, 2019
      
      False
      
      And on it goes ….
      
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      January 21, 2020 10:31am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        DONALD TRUMP
        
        “They never thought … that I was going to release that call and I really had no choice because Adam Schiff made up a call.”
        — PolitiFact National on Tuesday, November 19th, 2019
        
        TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Schiff did make it up.
        
        DONALD TRUMP
        
        “Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff, and the rest of the corrupt Democrats made a promise to their crazy left-wing base that they would impeach me even BEFORE I took office.”
        — PolitiFact National on Tuesday, November 19th, 2019
        
        TRUE, they were all saying they would impeach, BEFORE inauguration.
        
        DONALD TRUMP
        
        “The Kurds are much safer right now.”
        — PolitiFact National on Wednesday, October 16th, 2019
        
        TRUE, after the initial movement of Turkish forces, the Kurds are NOW safer.
        
        DONALD TRUMP
        
        “Today I opened a major Apple Manufacturing plant in Texas that will bring high paying jobs back to America.”
        
        — PolitiFact Texas on Thursday, November 21st, 2019
        SO WHAT!!!!
        
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        January 21, 2020 11:08am
      - Stephieboy2
        
        RW Capitalist, all false statments ie lies.
        
        THATS WHAT!
        
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        January 21, 2020 12:53pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Suggest you change your reading habits stephieboy or better still, get someone to read true stuff to you.
        
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        January 21, 2020 2:22pm
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Concern noted…
    
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    January 21, 2020 10:20am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      That’s not how to do concern trolling…
      https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Concern_troll
      
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      January 21, 2020 11:46am
      - All_on_Red
        
        We bow to your superior expertise in being a lying Concern Troll…
        
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        January 21, 2020 9:17pm
  - Tall Man
    
    “Of course I know the principles of the treaty of waitangi, I studied it”…… Now where’s that willie in the ear when I need it?
    
    “Of course I knew we had the numbers”…….
    
    The only reason she can’t attain the supposed levels of Trump is that she’s only a ptpm.
    
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    January 21, 2020 11:13am
    - chaos
      
      In breaking news Jacinda Ardern has been caught telling the truth when asked a hard hitting question, would you like fries with that?
      
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      January 21, 2020 12:36pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Tui moment I would think 😉
        
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        January 21, 2020 2:11pm
- Inandout
  
  For Stuff to run this story must mean Trump is a climate change denier. The Impeachment Party member Adam Schiff lies as an art form.
  
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  January 21, 2020 9:55am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Schiff probably lies quite often. He’s unlikely to do so at Trump’s average of 22 falsehoods per day for 2019.
    
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    January 21, 2020 10:30am
    - Ed Snack
      
      But some of Schiff’s lies are particularly dangerous and treasonous.
      
      He stated publicly many times that he had seen more than circumstantial evidence that Trump had colluded with the Russians in 2016 – and that was a bald faced lie as Mueller showed.
      
      Schiff published a minority report on the Intelligence Committee’s investigation into the FISA Court abuse in 2016/7, and lied repeatedly in that official document. The concurrent Nunes memo was shown to be essentially 100% accurate by the Horowitz report and Horowitz’s verbal testimony before the Senate; and the Schiff memo shown to be dangerous political hackery.
      
      Politicians will be politicians and strive for political advantage, but to deliberate report as authoritative false facts in something as important as national security is not just dangerous but effectively treason.
      
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      January 21, 2020 11:07am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        You think Trump’s lies are harmless?
        
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        January 21, 2020 12:21pm
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      Concern noted…
      
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      January 21, 2020 11:14am
  - Nickc2
    
    Schiff tells lies eh! He must be a lawyer then.
    
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    January 21, 2020 2:25pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Lies should be weighed not counted. Trump could average 20 a day for several years and still not tip the scales against Obama’s ‘you can keep your plan’.
  
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  January 21, 2020 11:25am
  - Stephieboy2
    
    Nigel Kearney, you must be deluded!
    
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    January 21, 2020 12:54pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    And Obama owned that:
    
    “We weren’t as clear as we needed to be in terms of the changes that were taking place, and I want to do everything we can to make sure that people are finding themselves in a good position, a better position than they were before this law happened. And I am sorry that they are finding themselves in this situation based on assurances they got from me,” he said.
    
    Do you have any example of Trump apologising for one of his lies, ever?
    
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    January 21, 2020 1:04pm
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      Telling lies to help win an election and apologising afterwards is near worthless. Just like the 100,000 houses ‘recalibration’. Of course Trump told a whopper of a lie about building the wall. That was completely indefensible. But the effect is much less because the media are interested in fact checking what Trump says but not what Obama or Ardern say.
      
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      January 21, 2020 1:33pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I think the point is that Trump lies, compulsively and continually, every single day. He can’t help it.
        But his cult members love it, because it’s sticking it to the libs, or something.
        
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        January 21, 2020 2:26pm
      - Tall Man
        
        I think Trump has zero expectation of a win as did ardern
        
        Both resorted to lying their head off during the campaign confident in the assumption they would never be called to deliver.
        
        In fairness, Trump seems to have made an effort, ardern not at all.
        
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        January 21, 2020 2:48pm
      - alloytoo
        
        M&MI think the point is that Trump lies, compulsively and continually, every single day. He can’t help it.
        
        One often gets that feeling about Ardern, especially when she’s talking about drug traffickers and sexual predators.
        
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        January 21, 2020 8:00pm
- tf78
  
  I’m surprised they can count that high.
  
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  January 21, 2020 11:54am
Clyde

I am baffled by this cycle bridge over the Wanganui River. Seems to have been built a couple of years ago and is now sitting in an adjacent paddock as the right “consultation” process has not taken with local East Polynesians. Now if the river has been legally found it is to be treated as a real person (what legal lunatic found that), how does the local Council who want to install the bridge, consult with the river? Go down to the water’s edge and mumble? Seems that the answer is that there is another group who are now seen as the river’s representatives. I’d like to know if the river has assigned these trustees. In the meantime the bridge stays uninstalled, another East Polynesian group gets to have another suck on the communal teat and nothing gets done.
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January 21, 2020 9:22am
- sooty
  
  Kohi, plenty of kohi!
  
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  January 21, 2020 9:34am
  - Clyde
    
    And while I’m about it, the latest gang conflict in Napier seems to be heading down the same pathway where gang leaders are being “consulted” as to the reasons why there are firearms being used on the streets in broad daylight. No doubt the bleeding heart liberal lot and the leaders will bleat on about the effects of colonisation, when everyone knows that the root cause is more likely to be the control of the meth market. Black Power and Mongrel Mob titles tell it as it is, and from my perspective I don’t think that this softly softly hug a thug approach will ever work. Time for some really hard response to gangs.
    
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    January 21, 2020 10:07am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      I heard on the radio news on Sunday that Police were confident this was an isolated issue and that there was no ongoing risk. That now seems not to be the case.
      
      The Mongrel Mob and Black Power have hated one another with a visceral passion for decades. Softy softly policing will do nothing to sort this unholy mess out. Simon Bridges’ promise to take on the gangs and give the Police the resources they need to do the job will definitely resonate with the public.
      
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      January 21, 2020 11:12am
      - chaos
        
        Gangs should be treated as terrorists
        
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        January 21, 2020 11:41am
      - cmm
        
        MM and BP conflict is mainly there because they are competing over a limited resource caused by government interference: drug legislation, tobacco smuggling etc.
        
        Take away tobacco sin tax and the gangs would be out of the tobacco biz overnight.
        
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        January 21, 2020 11:54am
      - Michael NZ
        
        But it starts with removing the NZ Police softies first!
        
        Then he has a crew that will do the work…..
        
        But they must be resourced.
        
        Problem is National kept the NZ Police on a 0% Budget for years??
        
        Why should we trust whar Soiman says now?
        Did he defend David Seymour defending our rights from The Greens?
        
        err no…….
        
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        January 21, 2020 12:29pm
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      Apparently gang violence should really be treated as a public health matter…
      
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      January 21, 2020 11:41am
Fletch

Conservative street artist Sabo takes a shot at Meghan and Harry as John and Yoko…

https://unsavoryagents.com/?p=10516
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January 21, 2020 9:22am
- chaos
  
  Great just what I don’t want to see, a naked ginga. Eeeew, mod put a warning up before people lose their breakfast.
  
  [Mod: you click external links at your own risk! We just check they’re not against the blog rules]
  
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  January 21, 2020 9:50am
  - Fletch
    
    Sorry! It’s probably not Harry anyway. It’s a well known photo of John and Yoko with Harry and Meghan’s faces photoshopped on.
    
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    January 21, 2020 10:01am
    - chaos
      
      Still I mind need therapy to get it out of my memory……
      
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      January 21, 2020 10:10am
      - Fletch
        
        Just as well he didn’t use the cover of “Two Virgins”. Then you’d have had something to complain about….lol
        
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        January 21, 2020 2:08pm
chaos

Interesting that as a few governments start to put up travel advisories ours still hasn’t

* The head of a Chinese government expert team says that human-to-human transmission has been confirmed in an outbreak of a new coronavirus.

The news comes as the World Health Organisation plans an emergency committee of experts meeting this week to assess whether the outbreak constitutes an international emergency.

The virus has infected nearly 200 people and a fourth case been reported outside of China.*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/118920223/humantohuman-transmission-confirmed-in-china-coronavirus
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January 21, 2020 9:42am
- kevn
  
  @chaos… Chinese New Year on the 25th Jan. Massive travel within and out of China.
  
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  January 21, 2020 9:56am
  - chaos
    
    Yeah and so far it looks like there will be no restrictions for that.
    
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    January 21, 2020 10:21am
  - Sydney Alvarado
    
    Yes good point. It is the largest mass movement of people that takes place annually, mostly by train – perfect for transmission.
    
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    January 21, 2020 12:09pm
    - Michael NZ
      
      Is there a risk of Pandemic inside China?
      
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      January 21, 2020 12:30pm
      - chaos
        
        We will know soon, it seems to be transferring rather easily. Some international airports began a few days ago testing anyone coming off planes from the areas it is currently at.
        
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        January 21, 2020 4:13pm
- Michael NZ
  
  Based on their history…
  Why would anyone trust what the Chinese Government says anyway?
  
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  January 21, 2020 12:30pm
- Stephieboy2
  
  I think the best thing is to rely on bulletins put out by the Center of Disease Control Altlanta or the WHO before succumbing to paranoia ,
  
  https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nCoV/summary.html
  
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  January 21, 2020 1:03pm
- chaos
  
  * A professor of public health says it’s time New Zealand considered surveillance at our border, as cases of a deadly new virus triple in China.
  
  China has also confirmed for the first time that the new strain of Coronavirus, which is similar to the flu, can spread from person to person.*
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/01/new-zealand-should-consider-border-surveillance-as-deadly-chinese-virus-spreads-expert.html
  
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  January 21, 2020 8:08pm
KevO'Brien

Standby. How can the USA avoid correction of its bubbling stock market? That will cause significant flow on affects here, way beyond Ardern’s economic wand.
A good article with explanatory charts:
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/biggest-stock-market-melt-us-history-has-pushed-prices-moat-overvalued-ever
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January 21, 2020 9:53am
- Inandout
  
  KO, Trump is bad man who allows the stock market to flourish, the US economy must be brought down to LA CBD street people level. All those jobs he has created, oh they must be low paid, Orange Man bad.
  
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  January 21, 2020 10:01am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The Stock Market is independent of Trump. The FED runs the money creation programme which has produced this bubble. They have a problem with so much debt they have to keep interest rates low to accommodate that. Reversal will cause havoc: continuing may bring disaster.
    
    Money always has a home and if you double its quantity, prices will change accordingly, otherwise relative equities are not maintained. The FED’s excessive created money has found its way into global assets via the banks which has also pushed up our property values.
    
    We are not immune to the needed adjustments that will come. If it breaks in the next six months G. Robertson will wish he was not Finance Minster. The borrowing programme will become a fairy tale.
    
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    January 21, 2020 11:29am
    - cmm
      
      “Money always has a home”. Yes, but money wants a good, safe home and only wants to take risks for good rewards.
      
      Trump CAN influence that.
      
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      January 21, 2020 11:58am
- cmm
  
  “How can the USA avoid correction of its bubbling stock market? ”
  
  Ummm… maybe chicken salt?
  
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  January 21, 2020 11:56am
chaos

* The Canterbury District Health Board (CDHB) has been criticised for delaying payments to thousands of nurses for their extra work over Christmas and New Years.

A letter has been written by the New Zealand Nurses Organisation (NZNO) to the CDHB with concerns over the late processing of pay to at least 1500 nurses who worked additional hours over the holiday period.

The large number of nursing staff affected will have to wait until the end of February – that’s a six-week delay, according to the union.*

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2020/01/holiday-pay-delayed-for-more-than-1500-nurses-in-christchurch.html
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January 21, 2020 10:00am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Once upon a time clerical staff who had dropped out of school half way through the fifth form could write up a wages book. And it did not take them six weeks to sort out the overtime, which in those days was at time and a half, or possibly even double time.
  I think the administrators at the Canterbury District Health Board all need a solid kick up the RS.
  
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  January 21, 2020 12:23pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Budget issues I think you’ll find.
    
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    January 21, 2020 2:44pm
- david
  
  What is “New Years” pray tell?
  As far as I am aware there has been only one New Year in the last 365 days. The Americanisation of the English language continues unabated it seems.
  Reminds me of an argum3nt wi5h a teacher at Seoul Foreign School when she deducted marks for an essay that included the word “colour”. Apparently there is no such word … it has always been “color”.
  Lost the argument on that occasion I’m afraid.
  
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  January 22, 2020 10:20pm
MCos

It’s a funny old family that determines who should be our Head of State.
A few weeks ago all the talk was about what a lying creep Prince Andrew is, and for good reason.
Now all that’s been forgotten and it’s back to hammering away at Harry & Megan.
In the meantime Andrew, is hanging out in public with QEII, Queen of NZ.
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January 21, 2020 10:10am
- chaos
  
  It will never be over for Harry, I see a four hour doco series is being made with the victims telling their stories.
  
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  January 21, 2020 10:20am
  - chaos
    
    That should be never be over for Andrew, lol.
    
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    January 21, 2020 10:36am
    - Michael NZ
      
      true for both.
      Meghan will string Harry up by his balls if she ditches him..
      
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      January 21, 2020 12:32pm
      - chaos
        
        Megan’s problem is she may be the mother of Archie but she is not the legal guardian. So she will have to be very careful what problems she causes.
        
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        January 21, 2020 12:48pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Seems like he “checked” those in a while ago.
        
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        January 21, 2020 2:42pm
- MCos
  
  The tabloids are wondering how they are going to make a living.
  Easy – charge royalties on all the articles conjecturing about how they were going to make a living.
  
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  January 21, 2020 11:32am
dave_c_

Can someone please remind me of where that country called aotearoa is?
Doesnt look like it is a recognised country name, and I’m getting more an more pissed off by continued reference to it.
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January 21, 2020 10:20am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Do you not have a New Zealand passport?
  
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  January 21, 2020 10:32am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    The wording of your question proves Dave’s point.
    
    People whose aim is effective communication call our country ‘New Zealand’. People who just want to virtue signal use ‘Aotearoa’.
    
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    January 21, 2020 12:33pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Not really. Aotaeroa is simply the Maori name for New Zealand.
      
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      January 21, 2020 1:07pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Not really. The concept of a “country” escaped early maori and the name is just a lottery draw from a “fable”…. One of the same fables that spoke spoke about the “people” already here when the great migrations started.
        
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        January 21, 2020 2:40pm
      - chaos
        
        It was the Maori word for the north island
        
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        January 21, 2020 4:03pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Wasn’t that Te Ika a Maui?
        
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        January 21, 2020 5:07pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        According to Grey 1854, Taylor 1868, Best 1930…
        it was one of the names for the North Island.
        
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        January 21, 2020 5:48pm
      - kloyd0306
        
        ….and yet, for anyone to understand you, the word must be translated into English.
        
        “New Zealand” is known in practically every country in the world. Aotearoa needs to be translated.
        
        Game, set and match…..
        
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        January 22, 2020 2:50am
- Simon Gotlieb
  
  Jesus. It’s just the Maori name for New Zealand. You know, Maori, that other official language. Get over it.
  
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  January 21, 2020 2:00pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Actually it’s not. It’s just a made up name from a made up story and was never used historically by anyone.
    
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    January 21, 2020 2:41pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Should be just called The shaky isles. What that in Maori?
    
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    January 21, 2020 5:06pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Vested interests in the science behind eating less meat.

Backlash Over Meat Dietary Recommendations Raises Questions About Corporate Ties to Nutrition Scientists

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2759201?guestAccessKey=bbf63fac-b672-4b03-8a23-dfb52fb97ebc&utm_source=silverchair&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=article_alert-jama&utm_content=olf&utm_term=011520
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January 21, 2020 10:30am
- Stephieboy2
  
  No conspiracy there. Mainly market driven demand and supply.
  
  Move on!
  
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  January 21, 2020 12:59pm
- GoVege
  
  Its patently obvious those naughty moocows have been hard at work influencing the scientists to tell fibs…. 🙂
  
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  January 21, 2020 1:41pm
  - GoVege
    
    Scientists are calling the proposed “culling” of wild piggy persons on the Auckland Islands as a “crime against humanity”, (as well as piggydom) due to the value these closely related mammals have for their possible contribution to science and human health.
    They are also described by at least one human observer as “very, very intelligent”.
    To think some Neanderthals actually eat them!
    It’s practically cannibalism IMHO.
    
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    January 21, 2020 6:54pm
- tf78
  
  Couldn’t open the article – would it be Al Gore along with Bill Gates?
  
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  January 21, 2020 2:14pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    See if you can download it from the link supplied in this article
    https://www.dietdoctor.com/journal-firestorm-jama-documents-orchestrated-backlash
    
    otherwise just Google the title of the paper (in Italics above)
    
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    January 21, 2020 5:53pm
Maggy Wassilieff

54 year-old woman charged with tagging a house.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/118922059/favona-homicide-house-where-woman-was-found-dead-tagged-with-gang-slogan

How weird is that?
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January 21, 2020 10:57am
- Tall Man
  
  Taking her a while to earn her “patch”…. Oops, my bad, women don’t get equality within maori gangs do they but they do get extra “treatment” if needed.
  
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  January 21, 2020 11:09am
- GoVege
  
  Tragic more like it, Maggie….
  
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  January 21, 2020 12:03pm
- GoVege
  
  The victim appears to be a nice looking P I lady of 57.
  Perhaps another case of a brave P I lady trying to help/ protect someone else and getting killed in the process?
  Like the poor lady killed last year outside a Mangere factory.
  I hope Kiwibloggers will give generously to the family’s givealittle page.
  
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  January 21, 2020 12:29pm
  - Tall Man
    
    I see your sentiment but before you ask us to chip in why don’t you look at the death benefits that are paid out by ACC to the family and children for education and other expenses.
    
    https://www.acc.co.nz/im-injured/financial-support/financial-support-after-death/
    
    Plus, why don’t we wait until the facts of the matter are released.
    
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    January 21, 2020 2:19pm
    - GoVege
      
      I think this family deserve the benefit of the doubt under the circumstances, Tall Man.
      Believe me, those benefits will not be particularly generous, especially for Pacific Island people who have bigger families and place great emphasis on feeding the entire extended family and bringing them over from the islands for the funeral.
      
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      January 21, 2020 7:00pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Sorry Vege, they’re exceedingly generous with both lump sums and ongoing payments until children reach 18 or finish education.
        
        NZ has “welfare” as a default and “givealittle” pages are generally not required.
        
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        January 21, 2020 8:29pm
      - GoVege
        
        Totally agree that most benefits in NZ are quite generous, Tall Man.
        But I don’t think you get much in the way of a funeral grant.
        A funeral for a P I person will cost probably 20gs at least.
        The sums they spend on weddings are ridiculous IMO.
        But a sudden unexpected death is a different matter entirely.
        
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        January 21, 2020 10:28pm
curry4me

https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2020/01/20/federal-bill-introduced-to-preserve-protect-female-sports/
Some sanity on the “transgender” front.
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January 21, 2020 11:13am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LN6X37vMKIc

Taiwan: It Could Be a Very Risky Confrontation.
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January 21, 2020 11:14am
Debbie

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2020/01/world-s-richest-2100-control-more-money-than-poorest-4-6-billion-combined.html

Apparently the world’s richest 2100 people.control more money than the poorest 4.6 billion combined.

Also, (according to Facebook commentators) I am apparently an entitled white supremacist for pointing out that the so-called poverty in this country is non-existent to that in third world countries and that we should be grateful for free, drinkable tap water, clean air, flushing toilets and properly refrigerated food…..

Having just come back from Nepal where these things were non-existent, the average person works harder than we can ever imagine and the dole doesn’t even exist, I can’t help thinking that our so-called “poor” are so much wealthier in global terms than they can even comprehend.

NZ doesn’t know what real poverty is.
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January 21, 2020 11:26am
- cmm
  
  No clue.
  
  I lived in Africa for 30 years – much of that time spent in rural areas: no electricity, no phone, no internet, no bank accounts, no cappuccinos,. Heck, not even smashed avos.
  
  People in some of these places count themselves lucky if they have a bucket and two chickens.
  
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  January 21, 2020 12:36pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  The poorest people in third world countries are much better off than they used to be before we had all this ‘inequality’.
  
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  January 21, 2020 12:37pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Working hard to live. Could that be because there is no other option such as the dole?
  I understand that there is no dole in China either. You work, rely on your family and friends or go hungry.
  
  I’m all for helping people who need help but get irritated when generations of healthy people live on the dole because they don’t want to work when work is available.
  
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  January 21, 2020 1:09pm
  - chaos
    
    They have unemployment insurance in China but I don’t think there is universal cover as to who gets its
    
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    January 21, 2020 3:07pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  but those ‘poorest’ 4.6 billion earn 10’s of trillions per year in wages with a net present value of 100’s of trillions. orders of magnitude higher than those billionaires
  
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  January 21, 2020 5:53pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “The dole doesn’t even exist”?
  Well that is a War crime under the Geneva Convention – send in the authorities – the United Nations even
  
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  January 21, 2020 6:03pm
Minsk400

This caught my eye. Someone with a Communications degree worried she won’t get a job:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/118838656/student-loan-nightmare-28000-left-to-pay–but-my-degree-is-useless
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January 21, 2020 11:59am
- chaos
  
  I actually couldn’t see the point of the article. Ok you quit studying nursing and decided to do this instead now you see you have wasted your time and money. No point to the article but I guess to moan you have a debt because of decision you made
  
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  January 21, 2020 12:31pm
- Two fish and a scoop thanks Cindy
  
  Translation:
  I made poor life choices, now you should pay for them
  
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  January 21, 2020 12:36pm
- Bell-47
  
  Life is all about the choices you make. This woman chose to spend 3 years of her life on a useless degree.. I have zero sympathy for her, it’s almost as if she is blaming the university for not teaching her enough to justify the expense. Also, it’s not unusual to find someone who is a university graduate working in a field completely different to that of the qualification. Miss Bell-47 number 1 has a masters degree in Japanese but is now a senior HR person in an NZ software company. She’ll never use the degree and wasted years studying.
  
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  January 21, 2020 12:46pm
  - Paulus
    
    She also had an accidental pregnancy failure resulting in having three children !
    
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    January 21, 2020 1:56pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Same here in our family. Geology degree morphed into oil industry above ground now oil/gas/geothermal.
    
    Connected tenuously but still worth the effort he says.
    
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    January 21, 2020 2:37pm
- cmm
  
  It’s always someone else’s fault.
  
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  January 21, 2020 1:03pm
  - MCos
    
    I don’t think she’s faulting anyone except herself.
    
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    January 21, 2020 1:18pm
    - Bell-47
      
      ” I’m supposed to pay back something I never gained much from in the first place”…. That looks like the finger of blame to me.
      
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      January 21, 2020 1:44pm
- MCos
  
  The point of the article is that the writer has a degree and a substantial student loan, but the degree is out of date to be of any use to obtain a related job.
  I suppose the lesson to be learnt is to have your career planned out in advance and thus work towards the appropriate degree as a first step.
  I knew someone who wanted to be an orthodontist and spent years down at Otago, at great expense and wound up with a huge loan.
  Normally that would be no problem because of the high starting salaries, but he quickly found he couldn’t cope with the realities of the job. Faces smashed up by car accidents, that sort of thing.
  Nothing to be ashamed of; just the way things are.
  So here’s this now crippling loan to pay off . . . . .
  
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  January 21, 2020 1:13pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  Communications degree cannot be useless. Our current prime minister has a communications degree doesn’t she and she has a pretty good job. That is something for this lady to aspire to.
  
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  January 21, 2020 2:08pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  FGS!
  She’s got a useless B. Communications degree and is worried about paying off a measly $28,000.
  
  If she joined the Labour Party and stood for Parliament, she could be on $160,000 in no time…and since she lacks experience, she’d be soon promoted to being a Minister….on $250,000 +perks.
  
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  January 21, 2020 2:22pm
  - Minsk400
    
    There are PMs with Bachelors of Communication Studies…
    
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    January 21, 2020 2:37pm
  - lofty
    
    OMG I love your way with words Maggy, always have mind you. Forthright and somewhat (ahem) exciting..?
    
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    January 21, 2020 3:02pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I know of someone with a communications degree – and a job, although it is a part time job.
  I think the job lasts until November – maybe sooner
  
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  January 21, 2020 6:08pm
kris

Winston’s mate Barely Sober is in the MSM encouraging the PTPM to gift NZFirst an electorate seat at the coming election
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12301954

If she does do that, National MPs in safe electorates should run as independents (or form a ‘electorate only’ party) to contest the electorates, while campaigning for the National party vote. This would result in an overhang of 30+ seats, all Nat aligned…
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January 21, 2020 12:02pm
- Gravelroad
  
  So any lingering doubts about the bias of Soper have now flown out the window.
  Nice to have it published that he will do anything to promote and protect his mate Peters.
  
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  January 21, 2020 12:14pm
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Mmm, very clear that he doesn’t want the Green Party of Aotearoa/New Zealand around either
    
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    January 21, 2020 12:31pm
  - Lee C
    
    I think Soper has spent many a sleepless night urging Ardern to ‘think dirty’ already.
    
    Surprised he hasn’t been rumbled by the missis – I suggested he’s been swooning like a love-sick schoolboy for a year or so…
    
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    January 21, 2020 3:17pm
- kris
  
  Thinking about it, if all parties did this, it would effectively turn our MMP system into Supplementary Member.
  At that point, we may as well just switch to SM with a 71/50 split – parties would get one seat for every 2% of the party vote they receive (no need for a threshold).
  2017 results would instead have been something like:
  Nat: 64 (41 23)
  Lab: 48 (29 19)
  NZF: 4 (0 4)
  Grn: 3 (0 3)
  Act: 1 (1 0)
  TOP: 1 (0 1)
  
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  January 21, 2020 12:30pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Hard to read that system back into past results, unless you assume that the electorate races would all work out the same. Also, having no threshold would have surely tempted more to vote for ACT and TOP.
    
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    January 21, 2020 1:32pm
  - Tall Man
    
    I’m sold 🙂
    
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    January 21, 2020 2:34pm
- Tall Man
  
  Good plan, do it and watch what Northland will do to labour and “what’s in it for wynston”.
  
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  January 21, 2020 2:32pm
Maggie Pie

Just got back home from the Supermarkets.
Have to shop at both now cos only Countdown are doing Hot Crossies!
When i hopped in the car a bit earlier, i heard Peter Williams on Magic saying something about …”a sure-fire way to get out of your Les Mills Gym Membership”. Unfortunately, i came in at the tail end of it.

Can anyone bring me up to speed with how to do that? My partner has been trying to cancel his for months 🙁
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January 21, 2020 12:17pm
- chaos
  
  Do they still charge you if you are dead? Think that might be the only way out
  
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  January 21, 2020 12:40pm
- lofty
  
  Apparently it is a simple as doing a dump on the toilet floor…easy peasy.
  
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  January 21, 2020 3:04pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    LOL lofty! Just read about that on someones Instagram post.
    
    Can hardly wait for my partner to get back so i can show him… reckon he’d be right into a bit of that 😀
    
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    January 21, 2020 4:09pm
chaos

Nz first are now also supporting a petition against this. Do they really need to support it? These are members of the government, they could put an end to this now as members of the government

* Winston Peters is backing New Zealand First MPs who have spoken out against a new climate change teaching resource that advises students to eat less meat to save the planet.

Shane Jones, a NZ First MP and Cabinet minister, lashed out at the resource last week, telling Newshub he doesn’t want the “politically correct brigade colonising my dietary habits”.

Peters, the Deputy Prime Minister and leader of New Zealand First, supports Jones, and suggested the prospect of eating less meat could damage the country’s agriculture industry and lead to job losses.*

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/01/winston-peters-backs-shane-jones-pro-meat-stance-in-row-over-climate-teaching-resource.html

Petition at

https://www.change.org/p/chris-hipkins-minister-of-education-that-new-climate-change-teaching-resource-is-not-appropriate-for-nz-schools?recruiter=1034461350&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=share_petition&recruited_by_id=d093d850-37e5-11ea-b631-9b6b0ad593a0&utm_content=starter_fb_share_content_en-au%3Av11&fbclid=IwAR0hoBFK_eCqYzfKnPjE9cnUpKzkqhjrGRCJqgrm5mRGWecXtcGBE5tb8Tk
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January 21, 2020 12:57pm
Maggy Wassilieff

It’s official folks…
Police Minister Stuart Nash admits New Zealand has a gang problem

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12302125

Good of him to notice…
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January 21, 2020 12:59pm
- chaos
  
  No, really? We have a problem with gangs, shit, Who knew……… obviously not the police minister, to be fair to him he doesn’t even realize you have to register your vehicle before driving it on the roads…..
  
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  January 21, 2020 1:05pm
  - cmm
    
    Shouldn’t jump to conclusions.
    
    Working group?
    
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    January 21, 2020 2:49pm
- Bell-47
  
  Time for a photo op meet and greet with the gangs top brass? Little Andy will be there handing out hugs and scones.
  
  Gangs are essentially an organised crime group (some might say disorganised), and as such should be treated the same as any other organised criminal group. The police should be breathing down their necks at every opportunity. See them on their bikes..pull them over, give them the full treatment. I wouldn’t mind betting quite a few of them have non association orders in place and could be arrested and returned to prison. Disrupt them, take their assets away, raid headquarters, make them prove income, work with IRD the whole gambit.
  
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  January 21, 2020 1:17pm
  - kevn
    
    @Bell… The cops in Kawerau (with some outside ‘assistance’) managed a bit of housekeeping last year.
    
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    January 21, 2020 1:57pm
  - tf78
    
    Bell – that is National’s policy.
    
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    January 21, 2020 2:21pm
    - Tall Man
      
      And the coalition’s response was to “laugh” at the “Raptor” concept.
      
      Aggressive policing is something a labour led government would never do. “what’s in it for wynston” promises that response but as soon as his head is in the trough all promises are off.
      
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      January 21, 2020 6:15pm
- Stephieboy2
  
  MW, and National had nine years to deal with it. What happened ? except becoming a political football both right , center and left,
  
  https://www.national.org.nz/tags/author_bretthudson
  
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  January 21, 2020 1:31pm
- kevn
  
  @Maggy and chaos… Wasn’t it Simon Bridges who mentioned this problem (for NZer’s) last year?
  The gangs must chuckle over their lattes about the new gun laws.
  
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  January 21, 2020 1:53pm
- mandk
  
  No worries, Minister Nash has got 1,800 additional officers to deal wi….
  
  No, wait …
  
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  January 21, 2020 3:32pm
- alloytoo
  
  I feel so much safer now that those nasty law abiding citizens have handed in their unlawful firearms……..
  
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  January 21, 2020 8:12pm
chaos

* Refugees fleeing the effects of the climate crisis cannot be forced to return home by their adoptive countries, a United Nations panel has ruled, in a landmark decision that could open the door to a flood of legal claims by displaced people around the world.

The UN’s Human Rights Committee was making a judgment on the case of Ioane Teitiota, who applied for protection from New Zealand after claiming his life was at risk in his home country of Kiribati. The Pacific island is at risk of becoming the first country to disappear under rising sea levels.
The committee ruled against Teitiota on the basis that his life was not at imminent risk — but it also outlined that countries could violate people’s international rights if they force them back to countries where climate change poses an immediate threat.*

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/20/world/climate-refugees-unhrc-ruling-scli-intl/index.html
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January 21, 2020 1:09pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Ahem, we’re a sovereign nation. We can just ignore the globalists, I’m mean, it’s not like we take much notice of their “human rights” report card.
  
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  January 21, 2020 1:27pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Yeah that’s really going to fly with ardern’s ambitions in mind.
    
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    January 21, 2020 2:23pm
- KH
  
  Same amount of land remains in Kiribati as before.
  Tha actual problem they have is breeding, against all wisdom in a non existent economy, , to where it’s amost getting to standing room only.
  Ridiculous in their situation but their problem not ours.
  
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  January 21, 2020 7:03pm
Maggie Pie

And a “big shout-out” to all who took the time to reply to my earlier post @8:32 am, in relation to cockroaches at the beach. My partner is out right now getting some stuff from Rentokil and i’ll be buying the ingredients for the Natural Remedies to try as well. So thank you all 😀

We were actually just discussing the problem over lunch and came to the conclusion its happened because our silly neighbors insist on leaving their rubbish bags at the gate to be collected. What we do, is put all ours in the SUV and dump them elsewhere during the night. My partner often heads over to the Mt Roskill shops and uses the council bins there. I can honestly say we’ve never ever seen a Cockie in Remmers.
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January 21, 2020 1:11pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I can honestly say we’ve never ever seen a Cockie in Remmers.
  
  I can drop you off a couple of our Gizzy ones.
  
  They’re house-trained and look vey attractive on walls.
  They’re happiest out in woodpiles (do you have any of those in Remmers), but like to take an indoors sojurn when it gets warm and dry (does it get warm and dry up your way?).
  cheers
  
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  January 21, 2020 1:53pm
  - Tall Man
    
    It’s the lack of “warm and dry” that keeps them hidden when Maggie is about. It also tells us a lot about the lack of gardening in Maggie’s back yard 😉
    
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    January 21, 2020 2:22pm
  - Simon Gotlieb
    
    I have to say a thank you to you Maggy. I didn’t know about the different cockroach species and your pointer greatly assisted me. Glad to know we have Gizzy cockroaches as our dear cats like to bring them in and play with them and we’ve worried about whether they were icky ones. Yes, we have a big woodpile out back.
    
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    January 21, 2020 2:27pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      They’re perfectly civilised… even if they are Australian.
      Took us a few months to get used to them when we first arrived in Gisborne.
      Still we had coped with Wellington Wetas who used to wander inside our Island Bay house…and they could be feisty wee buggas.
      
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      January 21, 2020 3:23pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Hiyaaa Maggs! And thanks sooo much for going to the trouble of posting that spicies chart. It enabled my partner to identify them as the German models.
    He’s already gone back up to lay the bait tray thingies he got from Rentokil.
    
    Funny i said that our neighbors were from Germany, eh?
    In fact my partner was wondering if its because they’ve rented their house to the Chinese people, that the cockies have come over to our kitchen cause they don’t like ‘Fly-Lice’
    LOL!!
    cheers 😛
    
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    January 21, 2020 3:14pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Ahh, in Remmers they do not have woodpiles. Not even bags of wood pellets (bad for climate change and all that shit) They have this modern thing called a heat pump. 25C in winter and today after work a respectful 17C inside. Don’t tell anyone, coz Remmers will blame the Shore for the electricity costs – you know, those Climate Change Greenies that want to save the planet Greenies.
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    January 21, 2020 6:26pm
    - Stephieboy2
      
      Steve Otto(North Shore), whatever!
      
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      January 21, 2020 6:47pm
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… Remmers specialty is large rats. No, not the locals, the vermin type rats.
  
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  January 21, 2020 1:55pm
- tf78
  
  Definitely have them in Remmers they come out of the garden.
  
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  January 21, 2020 2:22pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You must be south-side?
    
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    January 21, 2020 3:54pm
    - tf78
      
      Ish!
      
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      January 21, 2020 4:27pm
  - GoVege
    
    I was in Remmers yesterday.
    Saw this absolutely beautiful house on quite a small section tucked down a ROW.
    I said to hubby, now that’s what you call an architecturally designed house.
    Not like these revolting Mcmansions going up all over Auckland these days…
    Would it really cost that much more to design these houses properly?
    
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    January 21, 2020 7:07pm
- Gravelroad
  
  They really, really like Krispie Cremes, Maggie Pie, so better alert your partner’s mother not to leave any crumbs. Or liquids. Cockroaches often come in looking for drink. They will drink anything………..
  
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  January 21, 2020 2:34pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Wonder how they’d perform on her ‘Villa Maria Old Masters Rich Creme’?
    Anything like she does and they could become a REAL f~~ing nuisense 🙁
    
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    January 21, 2020 4:00pm
Nookin

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/118771071/karel-sroubek-denied-parole-for-the-third-time-for-importing-drugs

Oh dear. Kelvin and his mates are keeping Ritchie and Iain’s reputable-citizen-mate in jail to protect the public. Somebody must have got it all wrong!
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January 21, 2020 2:02pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  And guess what? Paroled in July 202 right before the Sept Election.
  Btw, where is that Iranian guy that Golly G was using? Still in NZ, or did she get him his Oz ticket?
  
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  January 21, 2020 6:32pm
Inandout

Just a little useless information . Countdown have a rather nice salt cracker at $2 and baked in Canada, but since December has been out of stock. Well we just happened to stumble across a New World salt cracker that is made in USA. Bigger pack, a lighter biscuit, and not one broken we found. Don’t you just love market forces; one out of stock, another found at a ‘competitor’.
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January 21, 2020 2:07pm
- GoVege
  
  I used to buy my mum that huge box of Whittaker choccies from Countdown
  each Christmas, and now I never see them anymore.
  The last box I managed to buy I sent to my godmum, and some thief scoffed them (not that I could really blame them)…. 🙂
  
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  January 21, 2020 7:11pm
- DigNap15
  
  yes those Canadian crackers taste nice, but they break so easily.
  
  And my Countdown has been out of Cadbury’s Flakes for 6 weeks now!
  
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  January 21, 2020 9:05pm
Fletch

Do 97% of scientists believe in a climate change crisis caused by man and CO2? No. Here’s where the bullshit figure comes from –

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewJ6TI8ccAw
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January 21, 2020 2:22pm
- Stephieboy2
  
  Fletch , I think that Nexus Climate is related to this Nexus,
  
  https://nexusmagazine.com/?v=8e3eb2c69a18
  
  Please confirm?
  
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  January 21, 2020 8:57pm
kevn

Uhumtao ‘solution’ hours away she says… I thought holidays were still happening.
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January 21, 2020 2:53pm
- alloytoo
  
  Something to distract from the urgent Waitangi Tribunal claim.
  
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  January 21, 2020 8:18pm
The only red for me is that of Manchester United

For those who watched BBQ Question Time with Laurence Fox as a panellist would have seen him enter into an argument with a woman of colour with a Liverpudlian accent. She quickly accused Laurence of being of white privilege. Turns out the angry Scouser was a random audience member but a plant put there most likely by the BBC. Rachel Boyle a researcher on race and ethnicity has done reviews for the BBC in the past. BBC. Always pushing it’s own agenda. What was once a highly respected brand has fallen dramatically over the past few years.
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January 21, 2020 3:00pm
Minsk400

According to the Herald, vegans emit .32g more per day of nitrous oxide than meat eaters:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12302081

N2O is 298 times more potent a greenhouse gas than CO2, and methane 23 times more potent. A cow produces 120kg of methane per year, which is 2760kg of CO2 equivalent. One vegan’s additional N2O produces 3480kg of CO2 equivalent. There are more factors to take into account, but the takeaway for me from this story is that becoming vegan won’t stop climate change, so the countless millions of Kiwiblog followers considering becoming vegan to stop global warming can rest easy.
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January 21, 2020 3:06pm
- Minsk400
  
  Correctioni – that should be 32g, not 0.32g of N2O
  
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  January 21, 2020 3:18pm
  - Stephieboy2
    
    Minsk400, 32g,?
    
    Wow!
    
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    January 21, 2020 8:58pm
    - Minsk400
      
      That’s equivalent to 9.5kg of CO2 more per day than non-vegans. If every NZer became a vegan that would be around 45 million more tons of CO2 equivalent per day than the status quo – that’s 9 million return flights to the UK per year.
      
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      January 21, 2020 10:15pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Prob why the stupid bastards laugh all the time. Ask them a question – result hahahaha.
  Tiny little 0.32g of fart. Get a fucking steak into ya, and let go a ripper!
  
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  January 21, 2020 6:39pm
- alloytoo
  
  I’ve been preaching about the Vegans causing climate change for quite some time now, and we have proof!
  
  A tax on vegan products is called for.
  
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  January 21, 2020 8:22pm
  - Stephieboy2
    
    Vegan products like any other goods on the market is subject to gst!
    
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    January 21, 2020 8:59pm
Monique Watson

And a big shout out for Pania Newton for advancing the cause of the Grievance Industry. According to the Herald, a deal on Ilhumatoa is hours away. Talk about an own goal. Pushing to acquire a piece of land which will then become worthless with zero value to Anybody.
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January 21, 2020 3:08pm
- chaos
  
  they’ll hire fletchers to build housing on it
  
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  January 21, 2020 3:43pm
  - Tall Man
    
    They have certainly fucked what was seen as a really good deal for her people.
    
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    January 21, 2020 6:28pm
    - chaos
      
      Yes, and the vast majority aren’t even part of that iwi
      
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      January 21, 2020 9:43pm
  - artemisia
    
    If Fletchers have any sense they will smile and wave as they walk away.
    
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    January 22, 2020 7:27am
Tauhei Notts

Have a look at a snail move.
They do not call it snail mail for nothing.
I got an invoice from a firm, 36 kilometres away. It took five days to get to me.
It only took me a few minutes to work out that the speed of delivery was, GET THIS; 8.33 seconds per millimetre!!!
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January 21, 2020 3:09pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  should have taken another few minutes to check and realize it was 83mm per second 🙂
  
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  January 21, 2020 5:43pm
brett68

This is the sort of stuff that will win National the election if they bring it to peoples attention.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12302067

The same thing could happen to anyone who finds themselves living next door to a state house, Bridges needs to be out in front of the media stating that this shit will not happen on his watch.

You do this sort of behavior in a state house and you’re out.
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January 21, 2020 3:29pm
- Tall Man
  
  https://www.amazon.com/Vaughan-TC016-16-Ounce-Commercial-Hammer/dp/B00018AP1U?psc=1&SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=duckduckgo-braveed-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B00018AP1U
  
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  January 21, 2020 6:22pm
- Tall Man
  
  100% agree brett but…… where do they go?
  
  The current minister is soft on this sort of issue which undermines the department/corporation and the decent tenants…. However, where do they send them… a motel?
  
  Until mr ball peen is employed to “condition” these tenants then expect much more of the same, especially now there’s a buck to be made.
  
  At least it hasn’t gotten this far…. yet!
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12170428
  
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  January 21, 2020 6:26pm
- Harriet
  
  National won’t do it.
  
  These types of people are known as ‘complex dysfunctionals’ drugs, no education, unemployable, mental problems, violence, criminal connections, sordid behaviour, unable to parent where a child thrives………these people largely can’t plan a future beyond today.
  
  Truth be known – the government stands and hesitates at the front door not knowing what to do.[That was all written in a welfare report].
  
  I imagine that those who ‘are employable’ will be kicked out of public housing for poor behaviour, while those who can’t possibly hold down a job will get to stay.
  
  Yep, NZ is another western country that is fast becoming a shithole.
  
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  January 21, 2020 6:48pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh dear,

Our caring government isn’t going to welcome Climate refugees.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/407817/govt-focus-on-mitigating-climate-change-not-climate-refugees
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January 21, 2020 5:57pm
- Tall Man
  
  Please don’t be offended Maggy but I truly think that this government hasn’t got a fucking clue about what their policy on taking a daily dump is let alone something this serious.
  
  We currently have an overstayer being encouraged by part of this government and ignored by the rest.
  
  Policy is a day to day thing based on feelz… what “what’s in it for wynston” feelz and what ardern thinks she feelz. It is an appalling way to run a country especially while the non elected pm and his pr girl are still avoiding contact and decisions.
  
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  January 21, 2020 6:19pm
- chaos
  
  This scam won’t last much longer
  
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  January 21, 2020 6:27pm
Prince

Govt about to buy their way out of the Ihumatao dispute before Waitangi embarrassment.
Look for some payout (under the table of course) to the gangs in Hawkes Bay to ensure no more problems before the annual BBQ where our caring PM dishes a couple of burnt snarlers to the locals.

They come pretty cheap when you think about it.
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January 21, 2020 6:06pm
softail 1450

OMG,Just saw a plod on tv1 drawing his glock and pointing it,he was holding it with his right hand and had his left hand on the top of the receiver ,FFS if he was to pull the trigger in that stance he’d probably do serious damage to his left hand it really makes you wonder WTF is going on in the NZ police.
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January 21, 2020 6:08pm
- GoVege
  
  Get a speeding fine recently did you Softail? 🙂
  
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  January 21, 2020 7:12pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  What was funny, a neighbor was telling us he observed two little scrotes raiding his Nectarines the other day so he phoned the Remuera Police Station… (he has them on speed dial). Three cops were there within minutes, but alas, the little buggers had escaped. They called for Dogs, but apparently all the vans were tied up in Mt Roskill.
  Then, if you can believe it, the 3 young cops took HIS fingerprints! They said it was so he could be eliminated from any further inquires.
  As our neighbor said, “Wished he hadn’t bothered f~~king ringing?”
  
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  January 21, 2020 7:18pm
  - info@cruzpro.com
    
    Could be have refused to allow his fingerprints to be taken?
    
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    January 21, 2020 7:56pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Yes, I believe so.
      
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      January 21, 2020 8:41pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Couldn’t see why a resident living on The Avenue would have any reason to refuse tbh.
      
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      January 21, 2020 9:28pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/118921194/teacher-on-third-drink-driving-charge-blew-six-times-the-limit-at-8am

This bloody stupid, dangerous idiot should be banned from driving forever !
What the hell is the matter with our courts?
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January 21, 2020 6:16pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  And school has not even started!
  
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  January 21, 2020 7:49pm
- chaos
  
  1st time, ok, fine and kick their ass, second time cancel their license and let them start again from learners license. Third time life time ban
  
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  January 21, 2020 7:56pm
- Tall Man
  
  To be fair, if I had to front the entitled little shits today I’d need to be a little “buzzed” as well.
  
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  January 21, 2020 8:40pm
Prince

Wonder what the Government makes of this…
https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/118939791/source-of-gang-problem-in-hawkes-bay-well-beyond-the-police-says-area-commander

Perhaps the PM might want to take a break from schools and visit a few gang pads and houses to dispense the hugs.
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January 21, 2020 6:16pm
Tall Man

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/118926147/protest-flotilla-planned-against-omvs-offshore-drilling-in-otago

My son is on this rig.

What’s the bet it doesn’t end well for the protesters. It’s a long way offshore and the sea can change in a heartbeat.
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January 21, 2020 6:31pm
- chaos
  
  The areas down here want the jobs, they won’t be welcome
  
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  January 21, 2020 7:54pm
chaos

* Newshub understands high-profile figures including former politician John Tamihere are considering running for the Māori Party if the Government doesn’t sort out concerns over Whānau Ora.

The issue could spark the beginning of a major resurgence of the Māori Party, and Tamihere – who unsuccessfully ran for Auckland Mayor last year – would be fighting Whānau Ora Minister Peeni Henare for his Tāmaki Makaurau seat in Parliament.*

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/01/government-s-handling-of-whanau-ora-could-spark-maori-party-resurgence.html
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January 21, 2020 6:56pm
- curry4me
  
  I hope it comes to nothing. NZ needs a race based party like in needs another Christchurch earthquake.
  
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  January 21, 2020 8:15pm
  - Tall Man
    
    “Race based” party?
    
    Until maori “think” they are getting heard we will have a problem.
    
    labour have never (NEVER) treated maori with respect and it is not just about giving money, it is about presenting solutions and as we all know labour’s only solution is more money for those at the top of the tree.
    
    As Rachael said … “it may not happen overnight…. but it will happen”.
    
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    January 21, 2020 8:35pm
  - chaos
    
    I look forward to the Maori party getting back into parliament and taking the Maori seats off Labour. Whether you like the party or not they have the ability to take important seats off of Labour
    
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    January 21, 2020 8:38pm
chaos

Our govt failed with the measles epidemic, god help us with this

* A professor of public health says it’s time New Zealand considered surveillance at our border, as cases of a deadly new virus triple in China.

China has also confirmed for the first time that the new strain of Coronavirus, which is similar to the flu, can spread from person to person.

As a result, China is now scanning passenger temperatures at airports and checking for signs of fever on some flights.

The new measures come as authorities confirm the virus is transmissible between humans.

Otago University Professor of Public Health, Michael Baker, says the news changes everything.

“It would be very responsible to start looking at what elements of our pandemic plan should be rolled out for this event,” he told Newshub.*

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/01/new-zealand-should-consider-border-surveillance-as-deadly-chinese-virus-spreads-expert.html
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January 21, 2020 8:12pm
- Stephieboy2
  
  In the first place the Chinese government is been open and cooperating with the International Health agencies ( unlike SARS) providing the Genome sequence of the coranvirus and other vital information!
  
  The virus won’t be defeated by hysteria and paranoia
  
  https://www.forbes.com/sites/judystone/2020/01/11/wuhan-coronavirus-outbreak-shows-the-importance-of-sound-science-sleuthing-and-cooperation/#6f4e10a91add
  
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  January 21, 2020 8:39pm
  - chaos
    
    Only one putting hysteria or paranoia into this whole story is you, but alas as always you think you know better than the experts who have been commenting in the media about this, as always you are a know it all who knows nothing
    
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    January 21, 2020 9:41pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Professor Michael Baker, Otago reckons we should be screening all incoming folk for it.
      
      https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/queenstown/chinese-coronavirus-threat-looms
      
      It’s already in Queensland… (as well as Japan and S. Korea).
      
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      January 21, 2020 10:07pm
      - Harriet
        
        Agreed.
        
        I can understand Ebola coming out of Africa.
        
        But serious questions should be asked of the Chinese Ambassador as to why deadly diseases are only coming out of China – whereas none are coming out of India.
        There is clearly something seriously wrong in China.
        
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