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Maggy Wassilieff

A NZ First MP has a memory problem

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018730401/forestry-company-says-it-met-jones-before-pgf-application
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January 20, 2020 8:05am
- Tony Stuart
  
  On the face of it, Jones has a very clear conflict of interest here, and has lied about his knowledge of NZFFP’s application.
  
  What’s interesting is that Jones has been thrown under the bus by David Henry, son of Winston Peters’ lawyer Brian Henry. Is there trouble brewing for NZF, and is Jones going to be the sacrificial lamb?
  
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  January 20, 2020 8:16am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Do you really think such a self-important, pompous, righteous, wind bag would really allow himself to be used as a sacrificial lamb for anything?
    (not without bringing others with him)
    
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    January 20, 2020 9:07am
    - sooty
      
      Has Whinestone paid his bill?
      This maybe the reason for David Henry to pimp!
      
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      January 20, 2020 9:22am
      - kevn
        
        @sooty… Yep, pimp like Harry. Just corner a high profile entertainment exec.
        
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        January 20, 2020 9:57am
    - Nickc2
      
      I don’t think anything will happen, Winston will just send out for a larger carpet and a bigger broom. There’s no room left under Cindy’s current carpet.
      
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      January 20, 2020 12:09pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    I follow the Kissinger line on this type of thing – I want them all to lose.
    
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    January 20, 2020 10:08am
  - Tall Man
    
    Pffft… lies, he’s just in training to be a pm!
    
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    January 20, 2020 11:04am
- MCos
  
  David Henry’s interview with Guyon Espiner is vague in the extreme.
  
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  January 20, 2020 8:18am
  - Happychappy
    
    Very similar to what you continually post, but I guess most of your posts is about criticism of others.
    
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    January 20, 2020 8:33am
    - MCos
      
      My dear chap!
      
      What brought that on?
      
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      January 20, 2020 8:51am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Dyspepsia?
        
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        January 20, 2020 10:53am
- chuk
  
  I wonder if the April meeting is in Shane Jones’ ministerial diary. That would help shed some light on matters.
  
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  January 20, 2020 8:40am
  - Paulus
    
    If the meeting was diarised I bet it isn’t there now !
    
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    January 20, 2020 1:18pm
- DeepBlue
  
  Welcome to the new political year, Coalition. May all their skeletons be dusted off and the rugs be swept for a public airing.
  
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  January 20, 2020 9:29am
  - freethinker
    
    2020 Will be Cindy’s & Winstons Anus Horriblis
    
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    January 20, 2020 12:34pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      Its actually Annus Horribilis. Anus Horriblis probably describes the back end of someone horribly addicted to Krispy Kremes.
      
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      January 20, 2020 1:59pm
- curry4me
  
  This can’t be happening. We have an honest open government. Stuff told me so. Saves me posting this.
  
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  January 20, 2020 12:05pm
fernglas

I never got an answer to my question in yesterday’s GD about which media I can rely on to be objective and truthful. There must be outlets which people on here consider reliable, otherwise they wouldn’t have such strongly held opinions on the issues of the day, so what I want to know is where those outlets are. They don’t need to be newspapers or TV news channels; they could be a small blog or discussion forum. In this world of uncertain facts, I want to know what I can rely on. Can anyone help?
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January 20, 2020 8:05am
- James Stephenson
  
  Every outlet has bias, so my advice is to read a selection of outlets that you know the biases of. For example, to keep in touch with “back home” I tend to read the Telegraph and the Guardian, Sky News and the Beeb and I also keep an eye on Delingpole at Breitbart and Sargon on Youtube because, on the whole, those two tend to make me laugh as well as think.
  
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  January 20, 2020 8:18am
- slightlyrighty
  
  The best you can do these days is to get your news from as many outlets as possible, but to be aware of any bias in either direction, and make your own conclusion.
  
  These days, journalism is agenda driven.
  
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  January 20, 2020 8:29am
- brett68
  
  https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/top-5-world-news-websites-guaranteed-free-censorship/
  
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  January 20, 2020 8:46am
  - Komata
    
    brett68@0846
    
    An interesting list, but they lost me when they suggested that the Beeb, WSJ and Al Jazeera were ‘unbiased’.
    
    Thanks though for the link.
    
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    January 20, 2020 10:25am
    - fernglas
      
      So who is unbiased, in your view?
      
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      January 20, 2020 10:40am
    - freethinker
      
      The BBC known colloquially as The Biased Broadcasting Co or in matters Brexit The Brussels Broadcasting Co is biased & untrustworthy .
      
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      January 20, 2020 12:47pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  It is much easier to criticise the so-called ‘mainstream media’ without specifying where unbiased reportage may be found.
  
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  January 20, 2020 8:53am
  - David George
    
    True MM, here is a list of media outlets that have pledged to give biased reporting and opinion.
    Our very own NZ Herald, Stuff and TV One feature among 170 news outfits in this Hall of Shame.
    https://www.cjr.org/covering_climate_now/covering-climate-now-170-outlets.php
    
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    January 20, 2020 10:24am
- Simon
  
  It’s a good question. Read and watch widely.
  
  Avoid Russian truthers like NYT Wash post MSM in general all the usual garbage. You will get actual brain damage reading Vox saloon huff post or slate. Avoid Never Trumpers. They have been wrong about Trump for over 4 years. (Include our mighty host in this lot). That’s a good start.
  
  You should read widely from people who are knowledgeable and sane (non left) but not really into Trump or are alt right. Though they can have very useful insights.
  
  You could try the following insightful but not necessarily pro trump.
  
  Stephen Miller redsteeze
  Styxhexenhammer666
  Peter Hitchens
  Nasser Taleb – he took apart that useless 538
  Black pigeon
  Neo Neocon
  /www.economicpolicyjournal
  Kyle Bass
  James Rickards
  
  There are so just so many. Avoid MSM academic. The above list some are big picture some detail.
  
  If you are left wing ie can’t handle the real world stick with MSM.
  
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  January 20, 2020 8:58am
  - Stephieboy2
    
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    I’ll stick with MSM,
    
    Black Pigeon Speaks
    
    Felix Lace,[1] better known as Black Pigeon Speaks (BPS), is a Canadian Neo-Nazi and YouTube talker (and plagiarist) who supports pigeons[2] and even rescues them when they’re hurt,[3] but he also, sadly, supports alt-right talking points, numerous conspiracy theories, all-capping the same words a ton of times,[4] and various other bigoted positions (like believing women and immigrants destroy civilization) while presenting them as if they were fact. ….
    
    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Black_Pigeon_Speaks
    
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    January 20, 2020 10:28am
  - fernglas
    
    Why did you think I was asking about Trump? There are many more important issues in the world today than him.
    
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    January 20, 2020 10:41am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    None of those are actual news sources – ie organisations that collect and publish news.
    
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    January 20, 2020 11:11am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      most news ‘sources’ are only copy-pasting press releases and stuff they find on twitter or other new providers anyway. The commentary of intelligent independent analysts is worth more than the editorial preferences of ‘big name’ msm.
      
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      January 20, 2020 1:01pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Used to be called repeater stations
        
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        January 20, 2020 2:04pm
  - sam green
    
    Peter Hitchens? – Saw him in a debate with his brother – Christopher wiped the floor with him.
    
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    January 20, 2020 11:12am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Fox is good.
  
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  January 20, 2020 9:23am
  - tf78
    
    Sky 85 and 88 are our go-to’s. Peta Credlin is very good for Aussie and Hannity on Fox.
    
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    January 20, 2020 9:34am
    - Kabull
      
      For me, Laura Ingraham and Tucker Carlson are way ahead of Hannity – although he is enjoyable. ANd I agree that the Sky News AU team – particularly Credlin and Kenny – are good value.
      
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      January 20, 2020 10:03am
      - Nickc2
        
        Thats what we need here, a Credlin/Kenny/Smith type of person to cut through all the politically motivated BS and relate the news as it is. We are too grown up and can see through the likes of John Campbell and those of his ilk. The trouble is, which TV channel will permit such a person to grace their TV Spectrum?
        
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        January 20, 2020 12:29pm
  - sam green
    
    Cos’ Rupert is sooooo unbiased. Phone hack anyone?
    
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    January 20, 2020 9:47am
    - Tall Man
      
      And ardern is just so honest ?
      
      Now, who is next up for silly posts?
      
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      January 20, 2020 10:18am
      - Stephieboy2
        
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        Tall Man, compared to Murdoch’s Fox News Jacinda is the epitome of honesty.
        
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        January 20, 2020 10:29am
      - Tall Man
        
        Ask for a silly post….. and up pops steffy girl.
        
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        January 20, 2020 11:00am
- curry4me
  
  Dr Turley: You Tube.
  Styxhexenhammer: YouTube.
  Mayar Tousi: YouTube.
  Fox News.
  The Spectator
  Lucienne.com
  
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  January 20, 2020 12:08pm
- curry4me
  
  Dr Steve Turley on You Tube.
  The Spectator.
  Styxhexenhammer666 on YouTube
  Mayar Tousi on YouTube.
  
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  January 20, 2020 7:20pm
Ruahine

Kim Schmitz aka Kim Dot Com the German criminal is very quiet these days. Has he been told to keep quiet by his friends in government so that it will be easier for Andrew Little to give him the nod that he can stay in New Zealand
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January 20, 2020 8:06am
- Stephieboy2
  
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  No!
  
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  January 20, 2020 8:11am
  - Komata
    
    SB@0806
    
    You seem very definite in your reply.
    
    Can you tell us all why that might be?
    
    Do you have ‘friends’ in high places who keep you informed..?
    
    Thank you.
    
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    January 20, 2020 10:28am
    - Tall Man
      
      steffy…. friends?
      
      Now you’re just taking the piss.
      
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      January 20, 2020 10:58am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Not busy trying to open laptops…?
    
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    January 20, 2020 6:51pm
- G152
  
  In the meantime other more worthy of citizenship have been removed from the country.
  Maybe hes claiming health issues?
  Or dropping a few bob into some-ones bank?
  But past time for him to go
  
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  January 20, 2020 8:15am
  - Nickc2
    
    Does he contribute to the Winston 1st Foundation by any chance?
    
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    January 20, 2020 12:33pm
- igm
  
  Donations make a lot of friends.
  
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  January 20, 2020 8:17am
  - Happychappy
    
    Ask Winston he knows a lot about that.
    
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    January 20, 2020 8:36am
  - mikenmildagain
    
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    Ask John Banks about that…
    
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    January 20, 2020 8:53am
    - G152
      
      Obviously you’re interviewing your keyboard.
      John Banks was found innocent. His exwife bought in witnesses Crim dot Con forgot about.
      You might like to amend your post
      
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      January 20, 2020 8:59am
      - sooty
        
        When liddle Andy gives da crim his citizenship papers, do you think he will have to stand on a chair to have photos taken?
        
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        January 20, 2020 9:30am
      - tedbear
        
        hehe so funny. “…was found innocent”
        The Labour kid who admitted sexual misdeeds was
        found innocent too.
        You can get away with murder, rape, corruption and fraud if you have friends in the right places.
        
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        January 20, 2020 9:37am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        You don’t think Banks got a donation from Dotcom?
        
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        January 20, 2020 11:13am
      - Nickc2
        
        Thanks for putting that clown/ess it it’s place. It should be thankful John Banks is not vindictive (or not yet anyway).
        
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        January 20, 2020 12:36pm
Tony Stuart

Happy Wellington Anniversary Day to all those outside the Wellington province ?

(Sent from bed; just deciding when I should get up…)
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January 20, 2020 8:10am
- Rich Prick
  
  That’s racist! I don’t know why, but these days everything is. I thought I’d join the mob for the day, and try their thinking on for size.
  
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  January 20, 2020 8:14am
  - Vallager
    
    Calling your self after your male member is pretty misogynist too, you patriarchal swine. I am so offended I could take up cycling
    
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    January 20, 2020 8:21am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      I could NEVER imagine being so offended I had to resort to cycling!
      
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      January 20, 2020 8:29am
      - Tall Man
        
        And…. leg shaving!
        
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        January 20, 2020 10:56am
    - Rich Prick
      
      But not veganism? You exclusionary pig. I think I’m getting a handle on this retardation.
      
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      January 20, 2020 8:45am
  - Inandout
    
    RP, as Jordan Peterson wisely says about ‘hate speech laws’, do you draft them to allow one person in 100 to be offended, or 1000, 10,000 or a million?
    
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    January 20, 2020 8:30am
Yvette

Christchurch mosque shootings: Muslim leader questions accused’s access to report.
The man accused of the Christchurch mosque shootings will be one of the first to see draft sections of the report compiled by the royal commission investigating the attacks. [1]

I am a little puzzled by the relationship to the Royal Commission to the up-coming trial.
The entire Royal Commission is existent on Tarrant having committed the mosques massacres, while the trial is to establish if Tarrant is guilty of the same crimes.

“The natural justice process is designed to put a person on notice that an inquiry has formed adverse views on that person, or is likely to include adverse findings. It gives that person an opportunity to respond. It is not a veto on what the Royal Commission can say (or recommend) in its report. [1]

This morning’s RNZ item indicates the the final copy of the Commission’s report is to be handed to the Governor-General at the end of April.

The trial start date was set for 4 May 2020, but is pushed back to 2 June 2020, to avoid coinciding with the Islamic holy month of Ramadan.

Will the contents of the Royal Commission’s Report be able to be used in the trial?
Will Tarrant’s manifesto, banned by the Censor, be able to be used as evidence of premeditation, in the trial?

[1] https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/407676/christchurch-mosque-shootings-muslim-leader-questions-accused-s-access-to-report
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January 20, 2020 8:10am
- Justitia
  
  These are very good questions Yvette. The Royal Commission process has resulted in a ban across government agencies on responding to OIA requests relating to a range of civil liberties issues. Initially it seemed the Royal Commission had been established to look into the role of government agencies including possible intelligence failures relating to the shootings. An appropriate question for example might be “how did the Police come to issue a firearms licence to the accused”? But now the inquiry seems to go much wider than that. As for Ramadan resulting in postponement of the trial, there are various dispensations under Islam to permit witnesses to comply with their religious practices during Ramadan.
  
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  January 20, 2020 8:30am
  - sooty
    
    If Brantan Tarrant can not see them, just because he was the reason of the report. I would expect the muslim leader not to see it as well, just because he was the reason they were all there!
    
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    January 20, 2020 9:35am
    - Yvette
      
      I would still like it to be more clearly explained. Does the Royal Commission assume matters which the Tarrant court case is yet to impartially establish.
      That is: Does the Commission not establish Tarrant is the killer?
      
      I realise there may be factors of possible urgency in security issues, or time as regards memory and accuracy of evidence, but should the Commission have not followed the court case?
      Can Tarrant request suppression of any issue in the Commission Report that may prejudice his position before the court?
      
      And as suppression laws have a problem that if some reasons for suppression are explained, it can in itself negate the reason for suppression, will anything the Tarrant questions in the Commission Report, be able to be reported, especially as it may precede his court trial?
      
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      January 20, 2020 10:27am
      - Tall Man
        
        A lot of feelz, ardern turning up in a hijab for a hug, free food, free travel and fuckall else.
        
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        January 20, 2020 10:56am
      - fernglas
        
        The Commission will not deal with matters that will be in evidence at Tarrant’s trial, unless they put some form of suppression order in place until the trial is over.
        
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        January 20, 2020 10:59am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    But now the inquiry seems to go much wider than that.
    
    Indeed, it does.
    
    Look what the Royal Commission says it will do….
    
    Jacqui described the Royal Commission’s work as a journey of discovery. A journey to find the
    facts, a journey that will involve many conversations, with many people and organisations. She
    noted that the Commission is interpreting the Terms of the Reference in a broad way.
    Jacqui then outlined that the Commission’s purpose is to find:
    • what relevant State Sector agencies knew about the attacker;
    • what, if anything they did with that information;
    • whether there was anything else they should have done; and
    • what should be done to avoid something similar in the future.
    
    She also detailed that while we are investigating the attack that happened on 15 March, we are
    asking a broad range of questions, including:
    
    • what should government do to stop another terrorist attack in NZ?
    • what sort of white supremacist or extremist actions have you seen or experienced? Has
    this changed over time?
    • what worries you most about the safety and security of your community?
    • how could government make you feel safer?
    • what should government do to promote both acceptance and inclusion of Muslim
    communities, and you feeling part of New Zealand society?
    • what would a trusting relationship with government look like?
    
    https://christchurchattack.royalcommission.nz/assets/130a9bf716/Notes-from-Muslim-Community-Reference-Group-Hui-1-25-July-2019.pdf
    
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    January 20, 2020 10:22am
    - Tall Man
      
      FFS, the world is fucked.
      
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      January 20, 2020 10:55am
    - Justitia
      
      Yes Maggy, it appears the Commission’s report may be tailored to justify the introduction of draconian “hate speech” legislation effectively establishing Islamic blasphemy law in New Zealand.That would be a political, not a forensic outcome.
      
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      January 20, 2020 10:55am
      - Jack5
        
        And where will National stand on that? Will its performance be as gutless as it was in the stampede to tighten firearms legislation?
        
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        January 20, 2020 11:33am
    - Two fish and a scoop thanks Cindy
      
      • how could government make you feel safer?
      This is easy, Stop. completely and immediately. Then go away.
      
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      January 20, 2020 12:44pm
    - freethinker
      
      And Muslims should also be asked what they can do to make themselves more acceptable to local society and more able to assimilate. Here are a few starter ideas – Speak English, Dress like the locals, accept that the local customs are the accepted ones and do not try to have them change or banned to suit Muslim beliefs. Do these and society will be more accepting of Muslim cultural traditions – Maori should follow the same principles.
      
      [Mod: begin spelling correctly those comments will be trashed for intentional racism, thanks.]
      
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      January 20, 2020 1:30pm
      - sam green
        
        Kind of like how the first waves of English migrants did in NZ – oh wait…
        
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        January 20, 2020 2:14pm
      - Jack5
        
        Sam Green seems to be hinting at the need for a series of new “Treaties” – with Muslims, Chinese, and Indian immigrants.
        
        The settlements will never end.
        
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        January 20, 2020 4:25pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Islam is an ideology. Disagreeing with all or aspects of *any* ideology should not become illegal. We’ve only just got rid of blasphemy laws FFS!!
        
        I am deeply concerned about the Islamist treatment of women, homosexuals, non-believers and apostates. If criticizing this becomes outlawed we will be practically living under sharia blasphemy laws in New Zealand.
        
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        January 20, 2020 4:45pm
      - sam green
        
        Long bow Jack5.
        
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        January 20, 2020 6:11pm
otago-man

I see gangs using firearms in Napier, how can this be, Jacinda said she was making nz safer with her firearms confiscation law— turns out to be another Tui ad
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January 20, 2020 8:10am
- Tony Stuart
  
  How’s that gun buy-back going Mr Nash? How many Mongrel Mob and Black Power pads have received a visit from armed Police with search warrants.
  
  To quote Scribe, ‘Not many, if any’.
  
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  January 20, 2020 8:32am
  - igm
    
    Hope voters in Napier remember this when they enter polling booths this year . . . Nash is no better than the leeches that support him.
    
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    January 20, 2020 11:20am
    - Nickc2
      
      So very very true igm.
      
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      January 20, 2020 12:42pm
- Ruawai
  
  And the Mongrel Mob were meant to have been turned into non criminal angels by their PR person.
  
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  January 20, 2020 9:41am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Will be interesting to hear her press release or PR spin on this
    
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    January 20, 2020 10:33am
  - igm
    
    You overlooked Davis, Little, and Ardern.
    
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    January 20, 2020 11:20am
- Gazza the Giant
  
  Also gangs taking photos with their illegal auto guns , showing them on FB
  
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  January 20, 2020 5:41pm
Stephieboy2

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note how Piers Morgan took Extinction Rebellion leader Skeena Rathor to task in a recent interview. Recalls how Piers did similar to Tommy Robinson very appropriately calling him, ‘ a bigoted lunatic “,

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/video/2017/jun/20/piers-morgan-calls-tommy-robinson-bigoted-lunatic-good-morning-britain-video
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January 20, 2020 8:12am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Such a bigoted lunatic: a working class guy who started speaking up about the UK grooming gangs, and how their treatment of ‘non-believer’ girls was justified in their rotten minds.
  
  They are the bigoted lunatics, but the Police let it drag on for decades, for fear of being called ‘racist’.
  
  And this is where NZ will be heading with ‘hate speech’ laws.
  
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  January 20, 2020 4:57pm
Hollyfield

Pet peeve of the day: the media’s use of the word “forced”. Today’s Herald has an article about grandparents who have been “forced” to raise their grandchildren. (This comment is NOT about the grandparents or the article itself, but purely about the use of the word “forced”.) It seems the grandparents felt the children would be better raised by people other than their addicted parents. Maybe they felt that if they wanted the children to have the best possible start in life their only choice was to take them in, and good on them, this is a commendable decision. But they weren’t “forced” to do it.

A couple of weeks ago the Herald reported than an actor who played one of the Weasley brothers in Harry Potter was “forced” to work in pub as their was no acting work. No, he wasn’t forced, he chose to. And good on him for taking work that he so clearly believed was beneath him.

Hastings council has been “forced” to close a new playground due to damage. No, they chose to close it, I haven’t read the article, and presumably it was the right decision, but I’m sure they weren’t “forced” to.

Another article: Black Caps forced into five changes. Really? Forced? I have no intention of reading the article but I don’t think it’s likely they were “forced” to make changes.

NSW farmer forced to shoot cattle after fire. I’m sure that was absolutely the right decision to make, but was he forced? Don’t think so. Better headline would be “NSW farmer shoots cattle after fire”

The Herald is not alone in this, I read it in many different papers.

/Rant over/
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January 20, 2020 8:14am
- Inandout
  
  Holly, after taking note of your concerns one could say you are not ‘forced’ to read the Herald.
  
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  January 20, 2020 8:36am
- godruelf
  
  You can add Stuff to that list article in Stuff today where a family now “forced” to drive for an hour to get groceries after Countdown stop online delivery. Reading on it turns out Countdown is 15 minutes away but they now choose to shop at New World which is 2.5 times further away.
  
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  January 20, 2020 8:39am
  - sooty
    
    What were they banned from the closer supermarket?
    To drive for an hour raises questions?
    Shit reporters again!
    
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    January 20, 2020 9:40am
- mikenmildagain
  
  After reading your extended comment, I am forced to agree with you.
  
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  January 20, 2020 8:56am
- SGA
  
  Another article: Black Caps forced into five changes. Really? Forced? I have no intention of reading the article but I don’t think it’s likely they were “forced” to make changes.
  
  Speaking in general – If the changes were required because of player unavailability (e.g., injury, ill health) then I wouldn’t quibble with “forced”.
  
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  January 20, 2020 10:09am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    He gave no reference, but that might have been an article about the third test in Sydney, where NZ was indeed ‘forced’ to make changes due to illness.
    
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    January 20, 2020 11:15am
  - Ruahine
    
    The Black Caps were definitely forced into an ignominious defeat by Australia.
    
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    January 20, 2020 11:29am
Simon

2019 was year of delivery what does 2020 hold in store?

For Labo to hit the ground running for 2020 Ardern needs to get a neck tattoo.

Ardern neck tattoo. Nothing more woke, MSM would be buzzing, would really connect and would kill speculation that Ardern is a hollow superficial light weight.
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January 20, 2020 8:14am
- Sydney Alvarado
  
  I worked with a blond white woman who identified as Maori and had a moko chin tattoo. That option would really kick start the year ?
  
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  January 20, 2020 8:36am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    I actually think that’s great. People displaying such a badge clearly announce their likely biases to the world and gives anyone not interested in playing along a clear ‘avoid’ signal.
    
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    January 20, 2020 10:09am
    - Sydney Alvarado
      
      She was a state sector worker.
      
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      January 20, 2020 10:37am
      - lifesgood
        
        Of course she was.
        
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        January 20, 2020 2:33pm
- Yvette
  
  Simon – 2019 was year of delivery what does 2020 hold in store?
  
  “Delivery” could be in some areas a little disputed, like Kiwibuild, and abolishing just a little poverty – where with ten categories now to measure it, instead of seven previous, there is no poverty in means or terms to describe it.
  And still there is no indication of what mode of transport, or route to be taken, so management or cost involved in whatever might transport people from Auckland CBD to the airport, on their way leave their giant carbon flightpath across the world.
  
  But, surely this is the year of the “report back”
  All those working committees and think tanks inquiring into anything that should have been Labour Party policy after nine years of no planning, will be returned for consideration as to what to put up for people to vote for this Election.
  
  National lost count of those committees and working groups at about a total of 200, but where is all the crap they were going to report back?
  Surely they weren’t all thrown out of the cot like Capital Gains Tax was?
  
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  January 20, 2020 9:15am
  - tf78
    
    Labour’s year of delivery turned out to be a very sad miscarriage for New Zealander’s.
    
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    January 20, 2020 9:42am
- Hacked-Off
  
  Simon,
  This year will be the ‘Year of Panic’ as Labour realize that they delivered nothing substantial in 2019. Expect them to throw money at everyone and everything before the election in the hopes that some of it sticks and they can point to that as an achievement. The spending of course will be unplanned and untargeted so expect it mostly to be wasted and New Zealand will be all the poorer for it.
  
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  January 20, 2020 10:35am
  - Tall Man
    
    I have taken the lids of my money jars in anticipation of their largesse.
    
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    January 20, 2020 11:12am
  - Ruahine
    
    I am looking forward to all the goodies coming my way. I may be able to apply to WINZ for a grant to get a tattoo. For cultural reasons of course.
    
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    January 20, 2020 11:31am
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    Well, everyone except the men and women of the New Zealand Defence Force apparently.
    
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    January 20, 2020 2:58pm
- calendar girl
  
  Brilliant, Simon.
  
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  January 20, 2020 12:51pm
- Paulus
  
  Hasn’t Ardern already got a tattoo ?
  
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  January 20, 2020 1:25pm
adamsmith1922

A little bit of fun

https://adamsmith.wordpress.com/2019/12/29/the-brendan-oneill-show-andrew-doyle-against-wokeness-2/

Enjo
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January 20, 2020 8:17am
Inandout

I dipped my feet into Twitter for a few minutes and looked at the Climate section; all praise and wonder for Greta and photos of little kids holding appropriate signs. David Attenborough is mentioned with an almost reverence. A real religious page with a few priests leading the charge.
Then David Seymour’s has all the poison available heaped on him, one idiot having nothing more to say than ‘he is a fucking moron’.
I slowly eased myself from Twitter to regain my composure.
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January 20, 2020 8:18am
- tedbear
  
  Ah David A..with all his decades of free air/4wd travel causing massive co2 carbon dumping pollution thinks he’s in a position to lecture to the world the evils of mothers driving their kids to school, or me having an overseas holiday once a year.
  Hey David, who’s the real fekkin moron?
  
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  January 20, 2020 9:22am
  - Gazza the Giant
    
    I could not reply to your post above3 about the Labour youth camp kiddy fiddler , but I would just like to point out her was not found not guilty , he pleaded guilty , but Cullens Bro in law decided he did not deserve punishment or naming
    
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    January 20, 2020 5:44pm
secondcumming

*RETAIL WOES* 😎

When the owner of my missus’s favorite Takapuna frock shop told her she was closing the doors after 12 years, it didn’t really come as a surprise. Everyone knows independent retailers operating out of *bricks & mortar* stores are pretty much fucked.

With *council rates* alone now the equivalent of what their annual lease outgoings were a decade ago, coupled with skyrocketing rents, insurance, etc, how can any stand-alone retailer survive…..no matter how well recognised the *Brand*.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12301125
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January 20, 2020 8:21am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  By offering better products and/or service than their competitors?
  
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  January 20, 2020 8:57am
  - secondcumming
    
    Hmmm. With your obvious in-depth knowledge of business and expertise in these matters, maybe you should set yourself up as a *Consultant to the Retail Industry* ?
    
    Just saying 😎
    
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    January 20, 2020 9:36am
    - sooty
      
      I think your missus’s had better get in and buy half a doz frocks before they close!
      
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      January 20, 2020 9:43am
      - secondcumming
        
        No rush……*Karen Walker* will no doubt be expanding her Website presence 😎
        
        Makes sense these days, let alone the savings for any business in fixed overheads, imagine being able to get rid of all those staff standing around 7 days a week.
        
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        January 20, 2020 10:35am
      - Tall Man
        
        “Frocks”…..
        
        https://www.facebook.com/DameEdnaOfficial/posts/10157161341123040
        
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        January 20, 2020 10:52am
      - Sacha
        
        Haven’t heard that word for years – in the traditional sense.
        A friend refers to gentlemen of certain middle- eastern countries as ‘frock-pokers’.
        
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        January 20, 2020 8:16pm
  - tedbear
    
    Why would anyone drive to and from a bricks & mortar store to buy a product they can get delivered to their home from an online store for half the price?
    
    Better service means reducing their profit margin from 600% to maybe 200%.
    
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    January 20, 2020 10:50am
    - Two fish and a scoop thanks Cindy
      
      Reason 1: you need it now (or, before the international shipping window).
      Reason 2: you want to try it on/out.
      ….
      ?
      
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      January 20, 2020 12:53pm
- MCos
  
  From my limited observation the low end retail outlets seem to be doing well. DressMart in Onehunga, which is a really basic bunch of shops, many of which are well known brands, is always very busy.
  No empty shops in Mangere Bridge and the cafes along one side of the road are very busy.
  
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  January 20, 2020 9:54am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Like my partners mum sez Mcos, “Theyre all low rent anyway”
    
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    January 20, 2020 11:10am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      But enough about her boyfriends…
      
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      January 20, 2020 11:17am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        😛
        
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        January 20, 2020 11:59am
- curry4me
  
  If she is retailing frocks from a supplier; she could re-open as a Shopify store. Or as an Amazon one.
  
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  January 20, 2020 12:16pm
tedbear

Two questions if I may.
Are we contributors allowed to post a cartoon with our text?
If so, what html or tags are required?
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January 20, 2020 8:44am
Inandout

second, with reference to Bose I would not buy any sound system or indeed headphones, without first trying them. As for clothing well I have a standard body and hence standard size.
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January 20, 2020 8:44am
Maggie Pie

Fab to hear Mike Hoskings back on 1ZB while i was up early grilling the HXB’s 😛
[Although all my partner could say when he wandered into the kitchen still half asleep with his hand scratching about inside his undies, “Does this c~~t always need to sound so f~~king happy at this time of the morning?”]
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January 20, 2020 8:46am
- chaos
  
  * with his hand scratching about inside his undies, “Does this c~~t always need to sound so f~~king happy at this time of the morning?*
  
  Hmmm
  
  Is your partner the tranny that you put beside the pool to tell you the news?
  
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  January 20, 2020 9:39am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Oh hiyaa chaos! Did ya get some of them Hot Crossies from Countdown yet?
    Ill be posting someting soon for all youse who luv a ‘little bit of bun on their butter’ 😛
    
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    January 20, 2020 10:58am
    - chaos
      
      Not yet, waiting for you to post, let’s hope you educate us on how far to put the butter into the bun, and do you need permission from the bun first
      
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      January 20, 2020 11:21am
- Biscuit
  
  Maggie, your partner disappoints me, heh.
  
  Not so much the scratching business but, gasp, your telling us he wears undies.
  
  ‘Let the boys BREATHE’ is my motto!
  
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  January 20, 2020 11:21am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Well not just any old ‘undies’, silly!! Theyre TRADIES.
    
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    January 20, 2020 12:03pm
    - Tricati
      
      The perfect choice
      
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      January 20, 2020 2:04pm
    - Biscuit
      
      ‘Silly!’?
      Sniff!
      
      I’m a-gonna-go hunting DPF’s ‘She’s bullying me!’ reporting link!
      
      Oh, wait, I’ve got a pair of (massive) cojones and I can STAND being called ‘Silly!’ without crying like a wimp, right?
      
      Silly me!
      
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      January 20, 2020 3:15pm
mikenmildagain

Happy birthday to Buzz Aldrin, 90 today.
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January 20, 2020 8:47am
- Doubledimp
  
  Who punched a moon-landing denier when confronted. I am wondering how to phrase my next question about precedents without getting banned.
  
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  January 20, 2020 9:20am
  - sooty
    
    Well done that man. Better than a tui sign!
    Rod Vaughan knows all about upsetting people!
    
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    January 20, 2020 9:46am
    - Tall Man
      
      “Sniff”…………
      
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      January 20, 2020 10:50am
- rangitoto
  
  Buzz is an active poster on twitter as is the 96 year old General Chuck Yeager. Both worth a follow.
  
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  January 20, 2020 10:21am
Sydney Alvarado

Someone not getting their groceries delivered is a lead news story.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/118888626/shopper-says-shell–have-to-travel-30km-to-supermarket-after-countdown-stopped-delivering
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January 20, 2020 8:47am
- Evadne
  
  And just below that there’s the story about a woman who “invented” the Griffins 100s & 1000s biscuits: https://i.stuff.co.nz/life-style/food-wine/118233687/we-got-it-made-hundreds–thousands-biscuit-idea-baked-in-childhood
  
  Except she didn’t. We all had iced biscuits (with 100s 100s or other sprinkles) for children’s parties for years long before Griffins marketed them. Those who couldn’t be bothered making the biscuits first used store-bought round wine biscuits.
  
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  January 20, 2020 9:06am
  - chaos
    
    She can claim that fame, she submitted the idea that the company ran with that has become an icon biscuit. Might of been around before that, but no one else got the idea turned into a major manufactured biscuit
    
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    January 20, 2020 9:47am
    - Biscuit
      
      Chaos, this particular Biscuit is definitely ‘an icon’ and most certainly wasn’t ‘manufactured’!
      
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      January 20, 2020 7:58pm
- chaos
  
  I do kind of see her point. The system accepted her address as being in their zone, she then purchased 3 months of delivery. The story comes off as being a bit precious.
  
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  January 20, 2020 9:18am
  - Tall Man
    
    “She said Tangiteroria had never been a full-service area and it could be that Gerrie’s address was entered incorrectly initially.”
    
    Drive the road and you will soon see why it’s not economic. It’s a business, not a charity.
    
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    January 20, 2020 10:49am
    - chaos
      
      she entered her address the system accepted it and it must of been correct enough to receive those deliveries. But as I said she is being a it precious. The businesses refunded and stopped the service to her, that’s their right, people too often whine to the media than get on with life.
      
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      January 20, 2020 11:20am
      - Tall Man
        
        “and it could be that Gerrie’s address was entered incorrectly initially”
        
        More to the tale methinks.
        
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        January 20, 2020 2:31pm
- Jules99
  
  Sounds like she has some ‘lifestyle issues’ that make it hard to function like most of us. Wants the supermarket to run around after them. Can’t even take the kids to school.
  
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  January 20, 2020 9:22am
  - sooty
    
    But she lives 2.5 km from that other brand market!
    
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    January 20, 2020 9:50am
- Tall Man
  
  “”Our son hates going to the supermarket. He just hates it”
  
  Anyone else see the future here?
  
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  January 20, 2020 10:47am
- greybeard
  
  After 74 responses Stuff closed the comments.
  I found only 4 which were on the woman’s side in some way, the other 70 basically told her to get a life.
  
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  January 20, 2020 11:52am
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Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Yesterday a poster quoted Nikolai Tesla regarding his critical comments about Einstein.This was not the only notable scientist he criticised and did not stop his life ending in obscurity and ignominy. Whilst he was a genius, albeit a highly eccentric one,he unlike his contemporaries like Edison and Westinghouse lack any business sense and consequently died in poverty and obscurity. It was known he did suffer a type of obsseesive compulsive or manic depressive illness. Tesla did howerver persuade J P Morgan to invest in his fantastical Transmission tower that would transmit electricity wirelessly and revolutionise communications . It failed !

He also dabbled in the paranormal and along with the above would explain his appeal to conspiracy theorists and cranks . Tesla was in no position to criticise scientists like Einstein!
More here about this “amazing genius “ but ultimately sad person and his sad life,

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-rise-and-fall-of-nikola-tesla-and-his-tower-11074324/
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January 20, 2020 8:55am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  How do you explain that the Tesla is an International unit of measurement and the Einstein has gone the way of the dodo?
  
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  January 20, 2020 9:25am
  - Stephieboy2
    
    Einstein has gone the way of the dodo?
    
    ????
    
    Not here,
    
    Physicists Are Still Probing Einstein’s General Relativity for Flaws — Now On Cosmic Scales
    
    Einstein’s equations have held up remarkably well for over a century. But they leave tantalizing gaps in our knowledge.
    
    https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/physicists-are-still-probing-einsteins-general-relativity-for-flaws-now-on
    ,
    
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    January 20, 2020 10:01am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      You have no idea what I’ve posted about, have you?
      
      https://www.apogeeinstruments.com/conversion-ppfd-to-einsteins/
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_(unit)
      
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      January 20, 2020 10:31am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I have no idea what you point was, either.
        What ranks higher, an SI unit named in one’s honour, or a chemical element? Nobel Prize, or an airport named after one?
        Stupid questions, as I’m sure you’ll agree.
        
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        January 20, 2020 10:39am
      - Tall Man
        
        steffy girl has no idea about most things Maggy.
        
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        January 20, 2020 10:44am
      - Jack5
        
        Stephiestani Trolls Ltd has put in a Netflix link for the duty Stephie on Kiwiblog, and today’s Stephie has watched the feature about Tesla.
        
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        January 20, 2020 11:12am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @mikenmild..
        
        Stupid questions?
        
        You might think so…but obviously other folks have asked the same questions…
        
        There are 19 SI Units that honour scientists
        
        These are the basic measures used to describe the physical world.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_whose_names_are_used_as_units
        
        So a pretty big deal.
        
        19 Elements are named in honour of people… (not all scientists)
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_whose_names_are_used_in_chemical_element_names
        
        My point was to show that Nikola Tesla is honoured by the scientific community.
        
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        January 20, 2020 11:24am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Your ‘point’, such as it was, seemed to be a reflexive dismissal of stephieboy by purporting to draw a difference between the status of Einstein versus Tesla on the basis of the usefulness of the measurement units named after each man.
        
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        January 20, 2020 11:36am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @mikenmild
        
        My point was clearly that stephieboy knows nothing about science and the scientists he repeatedly tries to trash.
        
        If you look back at stephieboy’s first sentence in his post… he is referring to stuff that was posted yesterday.
        
        Have a read of it…
        
        Stephieboy had no understanding that Einstein was vilified by the “Deutche Physik” brigade… all top Scientists (Nobel Prize winners…)
        
        He seemed to think Einstein was one of the gang!
        Didn’t he realise Einstein was in the Jüdische Physik camp?
        
        Today stephieboy illustrates his complete lack of understanding of basic science units.
        
        Yet you and he have spent 5 years or more endeavouring to paint me and other folks with a bit of science and general knowledge as dummkopfs.
        
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        January 20, 2020 1:50pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @Maggy Wassilieff
        
        It was I that made the post yesterday that Stephie took offense to. It is obvious on this matter and other matters such as Climate Change that Stephie, has faulty thinking processes.
        
        I don’t think you need clarification, but it is worth posting it anyway for those struggling with the concept.
        
        Stephie’s responses exemplify a common flawed method of thinking or lack of thinking, i.e thinking preceded by an assumption. Data is then searched for that supports that assumption, so the assumption is self proving. It is based on deductive logic, which by itself is flawed.
        
        Deductive logic works by taking a premise, idea, or assumption and trying to find pieces of evidence or proof. So long as you find evidence supporting your argument, you feel that your idea or assumption is proved. It is a one to many relationship. If however if one is being objective, one should also examine the data points that don’t support it, instead of ignoring them, which is also what Einstein did, hence yesterday’s post.
        
        Proper science and investigation is based on the “scientific method” which is in part based on inductive logic. Inductive logic starts by examination of all data, and building a picture of what the evidence shows, what it tells us, and the principles that might be derived from it. The principles are then tested and tested, until certainty is gained on the principles. Pretty much all great scientific principle breakthroughs happened through this method, where principles are derived from data. It is a many to one relationship. Testing is a part of the process. Theory, without successful experiments, are just theories.
        
        Tesla’s approach was inductive, to always construct working models, and derive principles through observation.
        
        Einstein unfortunately fell into the trap of building untested theories on top of untested theories.
        
        This is the same trap that Climate Change theorists have fallen into.
        
        In Stephie’s case there is an underlying assumption, which is why he attacks you and others. He believes that all what man is doing is having an effect on the planet, which is true, and it is true some of it is very concerning.
        
        However, scientists pushing the Climate Change agenda, are doing so because of vested financial interests. But because Stephie has NOT invested time in gaining understanding, he has leapt to the simple way out, of believing man made climate change. In his mind his assumption is proven.
        
        When we don’t buy into the man made climate change idea, it appears to Stephie to be a denial that man is having any impact on the planet,and since mad made climate change is the barrow currently being pushed by the establishment, Stephie has bought into it. I mean “how could so many people be wrong?”.
        
        Big money has been pushing faux science around for years. Westinghouse and Tesla’s reputations were attacked time and time again over AC, so that Edison and J.P. Morgan could keep the inefficient DC and their dominant market share. A campaign of terror was unleashed on the public into thinking that AC would kill everyone. But eventually logic prevailed and AC replaced DC.
        
        Marconi, who was backed by JP Morgan, filed his patent for radio several years after Tesla’s radio patents were filed and accepted. Marconi’s patent actually relied on some of Tesla’s already filed patents.
        
        At the time of Marconi’s filing, Tesla’s system was already up and running. Not only that, but Tesla had already demonstrated to both to members of the public and Navy officials a remote radio controlled submarine.
        
        Morgan used his influence and money to have Tesla’s patents thrown out and Marconi’s patents approved. This was however only overturned decades later, 6 months after Tesla’s death.
        
        Big money has being manipulating science for a very long time. The man made Climate Change Swindle is just another in a long line of cons perpetrated in the background by those who financially stand to gain out of it. Meanwhile experiments with weather control that have been going on for decades silently continue to manipulate our weather. Ironically, it is the unethical use of Tesla technology that powers weather modification.
        
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        January 20, 2020 6:38pm
    - rangitoto
      
      Stephie – just a handy hint for you. Read and comprehend before formulating a reply.
      
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      January 20, 2020 10:34am
    - David George
      
      One of Einstein’s sayings, after he became famous, that makes me chuckle “I’m no Einstein”
      Just finished (re-reading) a great book “The Ascent of Gravity”
      Newton, Einstein and up to the present day search for the basis of reality. We have a lot to be grateful for thanks to the work of the great physicists.
      
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      January 20, 2020 10:38am
    - JackRabbit
      
      Just a few random notes.
      
      Einstein couldn’t make up his mind if light was a particle or wave. Tesla was insistent that light was a wave as particles violated the E=MC2 formula. If light has no mass, which is impossible in the material universe, and since mass and energy are related, there is no formula to explain it.
      
      Einstein could not demonstrate any of his theories. If he could, we would see working inventions bearing his name. But we don’t.
      
      1. Photons violate the E-MC2 formulae and decreed photons were special but never had a formulae for it.
      
      2. Things do travel faster than it is just that we could not see them, and could not measure then with the technology of the time.
      
      3. The original experiments that “proved” that the speed of light is a constant were flawed and have been demonstrated to be incorrect, especially after Einstein accepted the idea of an ether.
      
      4. Einsteins original ideas denied the existence of the ether. When his theory eg light being a particle, and other things didn’t fit, he added in the existence of an ether. The speed of Light being constant is only applicable is there is no ether AND it is a particle. As a wave travelling through a medium, speed is impacted by the medium.
      
      5. Experiments proving that all mass becomes infinite at the speed of light was flawed. Particles were accelerated close to the speed of light, and electric fields used to deflect the particles. Because it became increasingly difficult to deflect the particle, the infinite mass theory was used. If never occurred to Einstein that the electrons in the deflection field itself do not operate at anything like light speed so were incapable of deflecting the particle. Like the Emperors new clothes, it was such a gaffe, that it was left alone rather than admit the various formulae were founded on incorrect assumptions.
      
      So parts of Einsteins theory work is light is a particle and the ether does not exist, and other parts only work if light is a wave in an ether. But these are mutually exclusive. You can’t have it both ways.
      
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      January 20, 2020 12:22pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      >>>MOD Bump!
      
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      January 20, 2020 1:25pm
  - Bell-47
    
    Stephie being very disingenuous regards Tesla. The number of patents he filed are in the hundreds and have made a significant contribution to science and the real world. As you mention, the measurement unit of Tesla is one of the most important along with Gauss (a mere decimal point separates them). Particle physics and commercial accelerators all use varying kinds of electromagnets for critical portions of the machine. The majority of these magnets are all mapped and monitored using very accurate instrumentation monitoring the field..in Tesla. The associated instrumentation industry recognises his his name as synonymous with the instruments, the measurement unit and aspirational goals of high field superconducting magnets being in order of 20 Tesla or more. Nobody ever quotes Gauss for high field. Sadly most people today think Tesla is some over priced electric car. Tesla’s contribution to science, physics and today’s technology is massive, most people would be astounded at the scale.
    
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    January 20, 2020 11:10am
    - JackRabbit
      
      We are heavily indebted to Tesla for all the ground breaking achievements, made selflessly to advance science and industry. Most people associate Philanthropy with money, but Philanthropy through knowledge is far more long lasting.
      
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      January 20, 2020 2:08pm
- alloytoo
  
  One has to wonder why Stephieboy feels the need
  to pull down the great people of history.
  
  While it behooves historians to record the completeness of historical figures for posterity, the rest of us are perfectly happy to celebrate their contributions to our world.
  
  Tesla’s development of the AC motor popularising AC power generation and transmission cements his place in history.
  
  Was he a flawed man?
  
  Isn’t everyman?
  
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  January 20, 2020 9:44am
  - Stephieboy2
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    “Isn’t everyman?”
    
    No!
    
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    January 20, 2020 10:19am
    - Komata
      
      SB@1019
      
      A VERY revealing reply…
      
      Thank you.
      
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      January 20, 2020 10:38am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I think Jesus and Mohammed are believed by their respective enthusiasts to be flawless. I’m not sure about anyone else. Donald Trump, maybe?
      
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      January 20, 2020 10:41am
      - JackRabbit
        
        Jesus was not perfect, and he had an ego. That’s a flaw. It is the reason he got executed. He didn’t die for our sins, he died because his ego got in the way.
        
        Apparently, his mentor, Joseph of Arimathea, was pissed that Jesus threw away a good opportunity to really help mankind.
        
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        January 20, 2020 12:27pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      Name just one man who is not flawed.
      
      Just one!
      
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      January 20, 2020 12:23pm
  - Tall Man
    
    every girl in steffy’s case.
    
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    January 20, 2020 10:43am
- JackRabbit
  
  Tesla is probably the most formative person in inventing, demonstrating and patenting new technology. He is often regarded as the father of modern technology. He had hundreds of patents for things that worked and that we used every day.
  
  The modern DC motors
  AC induction motors, single phase and 3 phase
  Single phase and 3 phase transformers
  High Voltage insulation
  Radio
  XRays
  Remote control
  Remote controlled submarimes
  Electric car
  Origin of NAND / AND gate concept
  Florescent tubes
  Arc Lighting
  Neon lighting
  Medical machines
  Plus hundreds of others.
  
  It is nigh on impossible to find any tech that he did not have a hand in.
  
  Name just one invention that bears Einsteins name, you pillock. There aren’t any.
  
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  January 20, 2020 12:02pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Well, that’s not altogether true….
    Einstein did have a patent for a woman’s blouse…
    could come in handy after a large lunch..
    
    https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2011/04/celebrity-invention-albert-einsteins-fancy-blouse/237704/
    
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    January 20, 2020 4:54pm
  - softail 1450
    
    Jack rabbit ,Einstein was a Physicist not an inventor you Googling fool.
    
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    January 20, 2020 5:08pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Einstein was basically a theoretical physicist, but he collaborated on a number of inventions… especially to do with refrigeration.
      
      It’s just that the inventions weren’t very successful… and the economy was crap and I won’t mention what was happening around 1933 in Germany…
      https://arxiv.org/pdf/1709.00666.pdf
      
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      January 20, 2020 6:03pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        I like the series Big Bang theory, and yes the character Sheldon Cooper probably the most.
        
        However Howard, Leonard, and to some degree Raj, are more symptomatic of the people who slave away, establishing principles that can be put into practice and enrich the world.
        
        Theoretical physics has its limitations, however experimental physics and applied engineering are what makes the world go around.
        
        For example you can spend billions of dollars in theoretical physics trying to understand gravity. Or you could carry on the experimental work of T T Brown who built the first flying disks based on anti-gravity principles in the 1950’s (before he disappeared from public life). I have no doubt the US Airforce didn’t theorize over his work, but actually built things.
        
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        January 20, 2020 7:15pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      @whitetail 1450
      
      No you are wrong. Both Einstein and Tesla were scientists. However Tesla was ten times the scientist that Einstein was. The difference is that Tesla was able to prove his discoveries by building things that demonstrated the principles he discovered. Einstein talked about understanding light, Tesla understood it, created it and was able to manipulate light in ways even today’s scientists and physicists cannot reproduce.
      
      Nothing came from Einsteins theories that was practical. Creating practical things that work change the world for the better. Which is why Labour is so ineffective because none of them know how to create, they only have theories.
      
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      January 20, 2020 6:52pm
      - Sacha
        
        So why do we hear so much about Einstein’s Theories? And nothing about Tesla’s theories and creations?
        
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        January 20, 2020 8:27pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @Sacha
        
        Same reason we are being bombarded with crap about Man Made Climate Change. It is all part of who controls the media and why.
        
        Einstein’s theories are just that, theories. Nothing will come of them, so they don’t pose a threat to those with power. Tesla on the other hand made ground breaking discoveries. The more common ones underpin a lot of modern technology. The less well known ones, well, who knows what happened to them, but his understanding was decades ahead of his time.
        
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        January 20, 2020 10:48pm
igm

Are the public being primed by PTPM/CoL MSM sycophants to accept a cut in defence spending to give yet more to the losers, leeches, bludgers and paid breeders under the guise of wellbeing?
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January 20, 2020 9:00am
- chaos
  
  As someone who is on a benefit it does need an increase to the basic level to keep up with the rising cost of living under this govt
  
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  January 20, 2020 9:16am
  - Tall Man
    
    “benefit” covers a multitude of payments.
    
    Many in NZ say we should adopt the “Scandinavian system” of governance. Perhaps they need to look at how long certain benefits are paid, especially the “dole”.
    
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    January 20, 2020 10:42am
    - chaos
      
      I tend to think the dole should be time limited, it I doubt we would ever go that path. The dole should be even more limited if you turn down education, training or a job
      
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      January 20, 2020 11:16am
      - alloytoo
        
        I doubt you will ever get a time limited dole.
        
        I do think we should have a conversation around a reducing scale, to protect people who lose their jobs unexpectedly.
        
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        January 20, 2020 12:59pm
- Sydney Alvarado
  
  There is not much defence spending to be cut.
  
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  January 20, 2020 9:27am
  - sooty
    
    Can the aeroplanes. Just not Commie Cindys new private jet and let the jurnos go commerical!
    
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    January 20, 2020 9:53am
    - Stephieboy2
      
      sooty, which is her private jet of choice?
      
      https://blog.privatefly.com/our-top-10-most-popular-private-jets
      
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      January 20, 2020 10:18am
      - Two fish and a scoop thanks Cindy
        
        Callsign Broomstick 1
        
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        January 20, 2020 1:03pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    True, and the government has actually committed to some reasonable large-scale acquisitions.
    Total NZDF spending looks like going from $3.1 billion in 2017/18 to $4.3 billion by 2020/21.
    But fact checking igm’s nonsense was probably unnecessary, wasn’t it?
    
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    January 20, 2020 10:47am
  - Nickc2
    
    Having taken away the guns of the peasants, she is now going after the guns of the military. Who would of thought? Oh, that’s right she set out to neuter the military with the appointment of Ron Mark as Minister of Defence. Having been in the military for many years, I doubt there is much spending that can be cut but be aware, acquisitions already in the pipeline could be culled. Whoever is left of our allies will not be pleased. Standby for illegal boat arrivals. The Tasman will not provide a barrier to larger vessels carrying more illegal immigrants.
    As an afterthought, maybe the Gangs will come to our defence? Nah, can’t see that, their Aussie acquaintances by be at risk.
    
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    January 20, 2020 1:37pm
    - igm
      
      Like milkwimp, Ardern is both useless and dangerous . . . has nothing, knows everything.
      
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      January 20, 2020 4:37pm
- alloytoo
  
  I think “Warmongers” are perceived as low hanging fruit by Labour and the greens, to distract from their own abject failings.
  
  Most people realize that our defence force performs many useful functions outside the war monger role.
  
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  January 20, 2020 9:46am
  - MCos
    
    I don’t think any NZ administration have be accused of being much in the way of ‘war mongers’ by a mainstream party.
    Plenty of people have accused various governments or factions within the country, such as Maori or the early colonialists, of being enthusiastic belligerents.
    
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    January 20, 2020 11:42am
    - alloytoo
      
      I meant that our professional military themselves are probably regarded by this administration (comprising Greens and socialists) as “Warmongers” and therefor justifiably defunded.
      
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      January 20, 2020 2:13pm
- JackRabbit
  
  It called doing wrong on the pretext that if they do enough wrong it will give then power and money to do the right things. The right things are just delayed.
  
  Once had a heart to heart with a deep socialist in a moment of brevity (actually his intoxication), and he was quite open that to achieve socialism it is first necessary to become a dictatorship because people cannot see the benefits of socialism until they have no choice but to accept it, Blah, Blah, Blah greater good and all that. Including the use of military force to make it happen.
  
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  January 20, 2020 1:16pm
MrTips

Can’t say I’ve ever felt this way about my PhD supervisor, my bosses or any of their wives………
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January 20, 2020 9:00am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Flattering references to one’s lecturer or supervisor in papers always plays well, but this guy went a bit far.
  
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  January 20, 2020 10:49am
trader_joe

Westpac plans to shift 250 jobs from Wellington to Auckland to consolidate its technology and product marketing team.

The bank has acquired more floor space at its headquarters in Auckland and will base the team there from next year.

Comment – I wonder what % will consider it, then evaluate their purchasing options in huntly real estate and say FO.
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January 20, 2020 9:04am
chaos

Paula Bennett on magic talk, their party head office was broken into and 3 laptops stolen. Bit suspicious
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January 20, 2020 9:48am
- chaos
  
  * The National Party headquarters in Auckland was broken into overnight, MP Paula Bennett said on Monday.
  
  She told Magic Talk three laptop computers were taken from the offices in Epsom.
  
  “It looks like they’ve jimmied a window and come in through there which of course… triggered alarms. They’ve grabbed laptops and run.”
  
  She said as the headquarters is “down underneath – it’s quite an unusual place”, she suspects the theft was targeted.*
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/01/laptops-stolen-from-national-party-headquarters-in-auckland-paula-bennett.html
  
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  January 20, 2020 10:01am
  - rangitoto
    
    Hopefully the the laptops had bitlocker encryption enabled with the the access keys secured by TPM module.
    
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    January 20, 2020 10:42am
    - Gazza the Giant
      
      Bennett said it had a high amount of encryption , and were satisfied it would be safe from opening
      
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      January 20, 2020 5:48pm
- cmm
  
  If they haven’t got encryption then that would be gross incompetence.
  
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  January 20, 2020 10:05am
  - chaos
    
    Yeah, reports are they were
    
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    January 20, 2020 11:04am
- Raphael
  
  I wonder of whathisname is working on another book.
  
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  January 20, 2020 10:41am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Oh, he most certainly will be…
    
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    January 20, 2020 11:12am
    - RalphT
      
      Ah then, it must be an election year…
      
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      January 20, 2020 11:56am
  - Gazza the Giant
    
    Its exactly the same dirty tactics as the time the bloggers were robbed , but its more likely a certain desperate MP with short mans syndrome working wit Slater Lusk and JLR
    
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    January 20, 2020 5:49pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  New Zealand’s Watergate?
  
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  January 20, 2020 10:50am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Maybe, but somehow I don’t think the Republican Party is involved…
    
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    January 20, 2020 11:06am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Who’s doing dirty politics? Come on, own up!
  
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  January 20, 2020 11:02am
  - sam green
    
    Who did it last time?
    
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    January 20, 2020 11:57am
    - sam green
      
      Judith Collins wants intel for her book.
      
      [Mod – think very carefully before making accusations like that Sam]
      
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      January 20, 2020 1:38pm
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      Well it couldn’t possibly be anyone from the left, could it – they’re far too noble, principled, righteous and pure…
      They always rise far above such filth
      
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      January 20, 2020 2:56pm
      - sam green
        
        Awww gummon. What a bullshit tactic. The sound bites tell all. Perfectly enunciated by both Bennett and Goldsmith. Haha – who’s the new tactical team? We all know.
        
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        January 20, 2020 10:05pm
      - sam green
        
        Topham Guerin?
        
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        January 20, 2020 10:12pm
    - rangitoto
      
      One of Hagar’s friends. Went by the name Rawshark.
      
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      January 20, 2020 3:42pm
      - chaos
        
        na, raw shark was an internal job, no hacking required.
        
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        January 20, 2020 6:21pm
chaos

* The man accused of the Christchurch mosque shootings will be one of the first to see draft sections of the report compiled by the royal commission investigating the attacks.

As well as reading parts of the draft report, Brenton Tarrant will also have the opportunity to respond before the final copy is handed to the Governor-General at the end of April.

The commission says it’s a legal obligation, but a Muslim community leader fears it gives the accused too much power.*

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/01/alleged-christchurch-gunman-among-the-first-to-read-royal-commission-s-report.html
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January 20, 2020 9:52am
- Tall Man
  
  “but a Muslim community leader fears it gives the accused too many rights”…….
  
  Fixed it.
  
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  January 20, 2020 10:35am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Perhaps he has to correct any parts of the story they got wrong?
    
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    January 20, 2020 12:31pm
chaos

There is no need for this, the market is already well taken care of in nz.

* Radio New Zealand is moving to set up a new station, focused on music to attract a younger audience.

The plan for a new youth and music focused radio station has been in the pipeline as a dream at the public broadcaster for years.*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/118848846/rnz-moves-ahead-with-plans-to-create-new-music-station-for-a-younger-audience
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January 20, 2020 10:00am
- Bell-47
  
  More offerings from the ministry of truth.
  
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  January 20, 2020 11:55am
- The only red for me is that of Manchester United
  
  Silly really. New Zealand already has a crowded radio spectrum. BFM covers the Auckland alternative scene very nicely and can be streamed. The same for other student radio stations in our main centres. Commercial radio has a station to fit all demographics and musical tastes. If you want Kpop, or other niche musical tastes you stream.
  
  To meddle with NZ concert and its frequency would be a bad move. It has a place in the market and surely there operating costs must be reasonable.
  
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  January 20, 2020 12:47pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    No meddling with the Concert program ! It’s the only one that plays decent music.
    
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    January 20, 2020 2:45pm
    - curry4me
      
      If you have a smart phone, you can use a You Tube downloader to get any amount of good music. No ads, and no Red Radio. That’s what I’ve done.
      
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      January 20, 2020 7:33pm
- Jack5
  
  More advertising-free content to lure audience from commercial stations.
  
  National in the 2017 Budget increased Radio NZ’s taxpayer funding by $2.8 million a year.
  
  Labour’s 2018 Budget allocated an extra $18 million a year for public broadcasting.
  
  Labour’s 2019 Budget increased Radio NZ funding by $7.25m over two years for day-to-day operations, and $3.5m extra over three years for capital funding.
  
  (Radio NZ reported that the operational funding boost included a one-off increase of $4.5m the previous year, so the 2019 Budge operational increase was effectively $2.5m.)
  
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  January 20, 2020 1:50pm
Manolo

What will Mrs Incompetent do when she returns from her lengthy Australian vacation? Nothing!

A forestry company with close links to New Zealand First says it gave a presentation to Shane Jones about a project it was seeking a $15 million government loan for – months before Jones says he first heard of it.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/nz-first-linked-company-in-government-loan-bid-says-it-met-with-shane-jones/ar-BBZ7hy5
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January 20, 2020 10:07am
- Tall Man
  
  “miss incompetent” if you please.
  
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  January 20, 2020 10:37am
  - alwyn
    
    I’m pretty sure she would use “Ms”, if anything.
    
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    January 20, 2020 11:20am
- rangitoto
  
  Jones will be sacked of course.
  
  TUI anyone?
  
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  January 20, 2020 10:45am
  - Tall Man
    
    “I’ll have a half”………
    
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    January 20, 2020 11:07am
    - sooty
      
      Scoop and two fish!
      
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      January 20, 2020 1:04pm
- DeepBlue
  
  She’s back… Attended Chinese New Year. So there isn’t any reason not to be asked about this.
  
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  January 20, 2020 7:10pm
Jack5

A clue to when you’re talking to the Wide ~~Awaked~~, woops, I mean the Wide Awoken …

Snooping on Red Radio today I noticed that a woman talking about getting cardboard cups out of cafes had a same speech mannerism of Jacinderella’s.

The woman was pronouncing “t” as “d”. Among the words she pronounced this way was “absoludely”.

This is becoming a mark of the Wide Awaked: pronouncing “t” at the end of words as “d”.

Next, they will be spouding aboud Global Warmink.

Jacinderella thinks big in politics: international fame.

The Awaked Mob’s “t” sound shift in NZ is also ambitious. It is vaguely reminiscent of the High German consonant shift in the third to fifth centuries AD.

That led to the English language having the word “door,” Dutch having “deur”, Norwegian having “dør”, Swedish having “dörr”, while, for Germans, it is “tür”.

Perhaps future scholars in centuries ahead will discuss the Jacinderellian sound shift in remote and far off New Zealand.
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January 20, 2020 10:12am
- Tall Man
  
  I doubt ardern will be discussed much at all after this year.
  
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  January 20, 2020 10:20am
  - RalphT
    
    I think you’re wrong. She will be a reference point; eg, things are X times better than they were under Jacinda.
    
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    January 20, 2020 10:28am
    - Tall Man
      
      I can see that 🙂
      
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      January 20, 2020 11:07am
    - G152
      
      How’s the country doing after it got Jacindered?
      Poorly
      But its getting better now
      
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      January 20, 2020 1:04pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  If only we could get back to the use of the received accent in public discourse.
  
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  January 20, 2020 10:52am
  - Ed Snack
    
    It would have the advantage that everyone could understand exactly what was being said. Can’t say the same for the current en vogue accents.
    
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    January 20, 2020 2:46pm
Stephieboy2

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
I see David Seymour rejects what he terms Trump based conniptions- MAGA and other kinds of chicanery and hysteria !

Where does that leave Trumpeters who will vote ACT this year?
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January 20, 2020 10:15am
- Rodney Randall
  
  in the same position. Voting for free speech, the very essence of a free democratic society that our fathers and grandfathers fought for.
  
  We will leave you to usher in 1984 Gulag-Boy
  
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  January 20, 2020 10:27am
Rodney Randall

adamsmith1922 posted this video yesterday that highlights how the UK police force operate. Well worth a watch to see what sort of dystopian, totalitarian state the UK has become.

“we need to check your thinking”

THOUGHT POLICE 1984.

https://adamsmith.wordpress.com/2020/01/16/triggernometry-the-police-told-me-to-check-my-thinking-for-a-tweet/

Paul Hunt – ex UK ( Chief Human Rights Commissioner NZ) has advocated for tighter speech laws in NZ alony with ‘hate'(tm) registers.

Andrew Little demanded an urgent review last March of our current speech laws.

The National Party signed off on a UNHRC review that sought the introduction of Disharmonious Speech laws into NZ.

The only minor party, in parliament, that is resolute in in stance not to curtail Section 14 of the NZ Bill of Rights is ACT.
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January 20, 2020 10:22am
- Tall Man
  
  However, hanging your MAGA hat on ACT being able to reshape the narrative after the election is a faint hope indeed.
  
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  January 20, 2020 10:34am
  - Rodney Randall
    
    Act have already reshaped the narrative.
    This party provided a platform for deplatformed speakers.
    
    National hide in the centre left quagmire only popping up occasionally to mimic David’s proclamations in an innocuous, vacuous play.
    
    National have acquiesced.
    
    Not only has National acquiesced but they have, (in my humble opinion, rightly or wrongly,) played an instrumental part in the erosion of free speech in New Zealand via their submission to the UNHRC.
    
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    January 20, 2020 11:47am
    - Tall Man
      
      Words, sure, will that emerge as policy… No.
      
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      January 20, 2020 5:59pm
- adamsmith1922
  
  Thanks
  
  Some might like this
  https://adamsmith.wordpress.com/2019/11/08/rnz-nine-to-noon-gavin-ellis-on-media-issues-andrew-littles-attack-on-free-speech/
  
  Little and Ardern have their efforts at Thought Police underway
  
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  January 20, 2020 5:39pm
chaos

A good reminder for people with name suppression.

* A well-known businessman has been charged with breaching a suppression order that prevents the name of Grace Millane’s murderer being made public.*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/118902349/grace-millane-murder-auckland-businessman-charged-with-naming-her-killer
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January 20, 2020 10:29am
- fernglas
  
  “The businessman has been granted interim name suppression”. Clearly a matter of principle
  
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  January 20, 2020 10:45am
  - Biscuit
    
    I thought that, too, fernglas.
    
    If this businessman doesn’t want others to have the benefits of name suppression then why the expletive deleted is he so keen to use it himself?
    
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    January 20, 2020 11:15am
    - GoVege
      
      Maybe coz he didn’t murder anyone?
      
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      January 20, 2020 1:12pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  The Dems are doing that too–no true words about T. or his name may be spoken.
  
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  January 20, 2020 11:42am
cmm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXbvzrPzzDg

Lots of people will starve, mostly women and children. Well, duh, add up all the women and children in a population and that will almost always add up to more than the adult men in a population, but, hey those heart strings need tugging.

And of course it’s all climate change. Nothing to do with incompetence, throwing productive farmers off the land and out-breeding the ability to make food.
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January 20, 2020 10:36am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Rhodesia under the White Man was the bread basket of S Africa.
  
  S Africa was a good economy and as for East Africa under Colonial Rule they were stable and productive countries.
  
  Now under the native rulers they are a disaster
  
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  January 20, 2020 10:53am
  - Stephieboy2
    
    and Jack5 , regardless there is no question of going back to the white rule of both your fantasies!
    
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    January 20, 2020 11:22am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      You do know that whites came from colder climates, where the IQ has been determined to be 1 std deviation higher than the hotter places? In those, heat slows people down permanently which is reflected genetically.
      
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      January 20, 2020 11:41am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Climate does not seem to much of a factor, except perhaps as an indicator of the prevalence of infectious diseases.
        
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        January 20, 2020 12:02pm
      - Stephieboy2
        
        KevO ‘Brien , psudeo science at its worst
        
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        January 20, 2020 1:39pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Not to sure how well founded that assertion may be. After all, if one follows the IQ debate the primary sources identify East Asians as the highest ranking group, with Western Europeans a definite second. Although parts of both China and Japan can be cold in winter, both also have areas distinctly close to tropical at times.
        
        It seems feasible to me that if there is a measurable difference in “IQ” (whatever they are measuring) then it probably correlates best with cultural behaviour with “high IQ” societies being those that have a for a sufficiently long time prized learning and rewarded learned people with reproductive success. That is “IQ” becomes a sexual selection marker. This would certainly explain Chinese results, and also Jewish outcomes. Both of these are long established cultural environments where learning is respected and rewarded.
        
        And just a note on infectious diseases, I think it is correct that tropical regions have a greater range of such diseases, but some like Malaria (possibly the number 1 infectious disease worldwide) certainly can exist far from the tropics. Until significant preventative action was taken, St Petersburg for example was frequently ravished by malarial outbreaks; and Norfolk in England was similarly afflicted. Plague was a world-wide phenomena, and Typhus, Typhoid etc aren’t tropical.
        
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        January 20, 2020 2:53pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Doesn’t slow the breeding down.
        
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        January 20, 2020 5:56pm
    - cmm
      
      Yup, that is bloodyminded comrade leaders for you.
      
      They won’t starve. Their wives will be flying to Dubai & Paris for shopping, meanwhile the comrade peasants can starve.
      
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      January 20, 2020 1:09pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Hmm, wait until the Chinese take over…
      
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      January 20, 2020 1:30pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    And yet they don’t seem to be begging their former rulers to return. Why is that?
    
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    January 20, 2020 11:25am
    - gravedodger
      
      Maybe because having stability, prosperity and freedom might make things a tad difficult for the native troughers who are enjoying the lavish lifestyle that would be severely threatened by colonial rule!
      
      Have a quick run through Orwell’s “Animal Farm” for clues?
      
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      January 20, 2020 12:21pm
      - Stephieboy2
        
        gravedigger, back to their colonial white masters? How would that work out?
        
        Like this,
        
        https://www.quora.com/What-were-the-geopolitical-concepts-of-Lebensraum-carried-out-by-Hitler
        
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        January 20, 2020 1:41pm
    - cmm
      
      Who is “they”?
      
      Comrade leaders often don’t but the rest often do want them back.
      
      Nigeria, Zim, Mozambique, DRC, Angola are all begging for white farmers to help them run the place.
      
      Most of the mismanaged farms have lost 90% or so productivity. The workers were a hell of a lot better off working for a boss than trying to hoe a few rows of maize for themselves.
      
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      January 20, 2020 1:12pm
      - Stephieboy2
        
        cmm”.., all begging for white farmers to help them run the place.”
        
        Source?
        
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        January 20, 2020 1:43pm
      - Swifty
        
        Ordinary Zimbabweans are thrilled when white farmers return:
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VquMCxTph0
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PApO_Ccb2Ik
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GG89J5EUeu4
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i10ppb_yKUU
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3pD8jvCP6k
        
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        January 20, 2020 3:03pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      You seem unaware that Zimbabwe requested its exiled farmers to return home and were offered 99 year leases.
      
      Last week government officials said Zimbabwean farmers in Australia should return home and admitted the campaign of farm invasions that began in 2000 was a mistake.
      https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-11/zimbabwe-asks-exiled-farmers-to-return-home/9419226
      
      The Government is now offering 99-year leases to white farmers, a deal previously reserved for black Zimbabweans.
      The resignation of president Robert Mugabe last November and the swearing in of his successor Emmerson Mnangagwa has delivered significant change.
      Government officials now admit the campaign of farm invasions that began in 2000 was a mistake.
      “Clearly, the formulas deployed then, left a lot of bad feeling. And more importantly, the intellectual property, left our borders,” Mr Nyabadza said.
      https://morningmail.org/75569-2/
      
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      January 20, 2020 3:31pm
      - Tall Man
        
        And you would trust them because……
        
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        January 20, 2020 5:54pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        A bit late now I fear.
        
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        January 20, 2020 9:26pm
- Jack5
  
  Yep, Zimbabwe’s collapse from food exporter to importer was the result of driving out white farmers, not of “climate change”.
  
  Climate change devotees are hampering food production. For example, in NZ animal farming, goals are being diverted from maximising production to minimising methane emission.
  
  We must be only days away from any global warming being blamed on colonisation. It will be: “It’s whities’ fault. They evolved to live in low-sun, cold climates, but took over the rest of the world. They discarded the vast and deep stores of indigenous know-how. Drive whities back to the Arctic, get rid of colonising English language, and all will be well again.”
  
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  January 20, 2020 11:09am
  - Stephieboy2
    
    Whatever!
    
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    January 20, 2020 1:44pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Stephie2, once again up a blind alley without an answer, comes up with his immortal response: ‘Whatever!’
      
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      January 20, 2020 9:27pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Jack5 is right: the mornings I hold my nose and listen to Red Radio there are only two topics now: climate change and colonization. Everything bad in the world is blamed on ‘pakeha’, including climate change caused by industrialization.
    
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    January 20, 2020 6:56pm
Right of way is Way of Right

Information sought under the Official Information Act reveal that Treasury and Defence have been tasked with identifying low value expenditure so that funds can be redirected to well-being issues.

Couple of questions.

What happened to Grant Robertson’s surplus?

Why is the well-being of the men and woman of the NZDF not being given the same priority as the rest of New Zealand?
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January 20, 2020 10:42am
- Tall Man
  
  “Smoke and mirrors”….
  
  Wind blew away the smoke and ardern pinched the mirrors.
  
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  January 20, 2020 11:05am
  - chaos
    
    Mirror mirror on the wall who is the best prime minister of this government. Winston is the only pm, whoever is best this mirror can’t lie so can’t say anyone
    
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    January 20, 2020 11:24am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    And the mirrors are broken. That’s a fucking lot of bad luck
    
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    January 20, 2020 3:54pm
- chaos
  
  Most of the surplus was a paper surplus, revaluing kiwi rail and changing how rid work, thus the need to borrow over 19 billion
  
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  January 20, 2020 11:08am
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    Didn’t stop Grant Robertson from shouting from the rooftops about it though, did it!
    
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    January 20, 2020 3:00pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Not normally what can happen on a rooftop these days a la isis.
      
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      January 20, 2020 5:52pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  The announcement of a living wage for caregivers raises issues of equity among all those reliant on the state for a supported living. Many taxpayers are supporting others, are they being treated fairly too?
  
  These amateur governors are getting into difficulties they do not understand.
  ☑️☑️Rout2020☑️☑️
  
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  January 20, 2020 11:34am
Bobba Fret

Serious question…………..Does any one happen to know, what is the average length of the tenancy of a Housing NZ House?
Just wondering as I’ve always thought these houses should be provided to give a helping hand up and should be seen as temporary and thus should all be for a fixed term, then circumstances reviewed to see if still required.
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January 20, 2020 10:44am
- igm
  
  Sepuloni granted all tenants a lifetime tenancy, even if they default on rent, abuse the buildings, and neglect grouds, not to say they can now deal drugs also, with impunity.
  Housing should be a family’s responsibility, not of ratepayers and taxpayers.
  
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  January 20, 2020 11:06am
- chaos
  
  you Could try their new website but I can’t find anything there
  
  https://kaingaora.govt.nz/tenants-and-communities/
  
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  January 20, 2020 11:07am
Fletch

I see the World Economic Forum begins today, with this years topic, “Stakeholders for a Cohesive and Sustainable World”. The focus of the conference is supposed to be about moving away from “shareholder capitalism” toward “stakeholder capitalism”(?) A commentator on the radio says the “capitalism has worked for some but not everybody”. David Parker will be attending…
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January 20, 2020 11:00am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Communism is where the capitalists are disguised as leaders and the peasants pay them for their upkeep.
  
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  January 20, 2020 11:28am
  - alloytoo
    
    The goal of socialism is to become the Pig.
    
    Non-pigs may be sent to the butcher or glue factory as policy dictates.
    
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    January 20, 2020 2:20pm
- Ruahine
  
  In NZ capitalism has worked quite well for those who do not work.
  
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  January 20, 2020 4:11pm
Fletch

As mentioned above –

Top ministers have ordered a “deep dive” into the Defence Force’s spending in a bid to free up more funding to “lift the wellbeing of New Zealanders”.

Finance Minister Grant Robertson said the cost-cutting exercise would focus on projects which aren’t delivering.
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January 20, 2020 11:04am
- Stephieboy2
  
  Fletch, the $2.5 billion purchase of replacement Hercules is too much for you to stomach?
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/117712266/us-signs-off-2-billion-sale-of-five-hercules-airplanes-to-new-zealand
  
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  January 20, 2020 11:21am
  - Ruahine
    
    The purchase of those 5 Hercules has lifted my wellbeing and my feelz already. H a p p y.
    
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    January 20, 2020 11:35am
  - sooty
    
    What all of Labours polices?
    What has worked other than employing thousands of toadies on working groups and contractors.
    
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    January 20, 2020 12:59pm
  - alloytoo
    
    A fine practical aircraft, used by many countries for a variety of worth while purposes.
    
    The oldest of the current fleet is 65 years old and RNDF has used them for about 55 years.
    
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    January 20, 2020 2:29pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Makes sense. The NZDF get a lot of money, and large organisations are pretty notorious for their wasteful ways.
  
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  January 20, 2020 11:27am
  - cmm
    
    NZDF is hardly a large organisation. 7000-odd.
    
    Of those less than 5000 are in the Army, so approx 1 in 1000 of us is in the Army.
    
    Much higher % in Australia, or UK etc.
    
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    January 20, 2020 1:45pm
    - Jack5
      
      And do we still have a reserve-territorial volunteer service?
      
      There used to be military halls up and down the country where folk could practise war-craft part-time.
      
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      January 20, 2020 1:56pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        NZDF sold all the drill halls in an earlier round of cost-cutting.
        
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        January 20, 2020 6:25pm
brett68

Reason number 1, Labour will probably be re-elected.

The people currently suffering under Labour policies the most are Labour voters.
For the vast chunk of voters, for all of Arderns piss and wind Labour hasn’t actually done anything that greatly effects the average voter.
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January 20, 2020 11:07am
- Tall Man
  
  Fuel levies, minimum wage inflationary impact, landlord bashing reducing rental stock, free fees plus allowance increase impacting rents which becomes inflationary, plastic bag ban increasing shopping costs, increase in anti white _ anti male _ anti age rhetoric impacting the whole country by the increase of division.
  
  More inter sex drivel creating an opportunity to “launch” speech restrictions, removal of rights for women by allowing men to “identify as “women”…..
  
  If none of the above pose an issue for you and yours then you must be living somewhere else.
  
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  January 20, 2020 11:19am
  - brett68
    
    Fuel levies
    Fuel is fairly cheap at the moment around $2.00 – $2.10
    
    Landlord bashing reducing rental stock, free fees plus allowance increase impacting rents which becomes inflationary
    
    Mainly labour voters are the ones copping the brunt of that.
    
    Having said that there is hay to be made about the cost of living going up, but National won’t do anything about that because the great immigration/student visa/temp working visa cash cow would have to be put down
    
    increase in anti white _ anti male _ anti age rhetoric impacting the whole country by the increase of division.
    
    Sure, people listening to magic talk or reading Kiwiblog are raging over this, outside of these micro microcosms I don’t think people really care.
    
    More inter sex drivel creating an opportunity to “launch” speech restrictions, removal of rights for women by allowing men to “identify as “women”…..
    
    As above
    
    Like I said apart from the cost of living going up it’s been fairly much same old same old.
    
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    January 20, 2020 11:38am
    - Tall Man
      
      And as I said, living somewhere else….. cloud cuckoo land I think.
      
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      January 20, 2020 2:28pm
- Gazza the Giant
  
  You seem to forget that many of the people did not vote for her at all last election , expect the result to have Labour back at 35% or there abouts
  
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  January 20, 2020 5:59pm
  - brett68
    
    Yes they did, why do you think Labour came from absolutely nowhere??, Christ, I remember at one point Labour was polling ahead of National.
    
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    January 20, 2020 7:05pm
    - Gazza the Giant
      
      Yes , they were polling at 46% 2 weeks before the election , they ended up with 35.9% on election night , the post was in reply to his saying that Labour voters never change , I am saying that just maybe that Labour will still be at 35% next election , you do realise that Greens and NZF had all that lost Labour support , but its gone , a 2 horse race is fine with me
      
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      January 20, 2020 7:34pm
Happychappy

Well if the standard of those committing crime like career criminals that earn a living on petty crime that go to jail, there is a 100 percent chance that prison numbers will drop but that doesn’t mean your right or help those that have lost valuable property that in some case can’t be replaced or stop the criminal repeating the crime because you hand get out of prison cards.
https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/numbers-drop-otago-prison

This Government is all about the criminal and fuck the victim a thief cause emotional harm and in some cases it lasts forever but Kelvin Davis couldn’t care less it’s all about Wellbeing andhow to save money with less prison numbers.
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January 20, 2020 11:40am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  government pays for prisons, prisoners, and welfare, population pays for insurance, security measures and replacing stolen or smashed stuff.
  
  Incentive is obviously for govt to incarcerate less and push the consequent increased costs of crime onto population – in effect it’s a way of increasing taxation.
  
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  January 20, 2020 2:33pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Climate Change teaching resource is coming under fire from the Nats.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/01/national-might-withdraw-climate-change-teaching-resource.html
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January 20, 2020 11:41am
- brett68
  
  National won’t do a thing.
  It’s all might, maybe’s, could do and all the other assorted non-action weasel words.
  
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  January 20, 2020 11:45am
- rangitoto
  
  Good to hear Nikki Kaye’s initial take on this thrown under the bus.
  
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  January 20, 2020 12:20pm
  - Close Hen Counters
    
    Poor woman clearly can’t multi task -was far more concerned about her plastered pussy than the educational outcomes of thousands of nz students
    
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    January 20, 2020 2:54pm
  - Gazza the Giant
    
    I usually agree with all you say , but you perhaps should go back and read what Kaye said , she did not say the Nats fully agree with this policy of crap , she said they agr4ee with it being allowed to be discussed in class , but not rammed down kids throats by greenies and Lab0ur vote catching leftie union hacks , I posted to Nikki on FB for her to please tell the public exactly what she said , and she said again the party is not happy with this policy unless it was simple discussions , and it had to be a completely unbiased class , not left wing ideological bullshit
    
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    January 20, 2020 6:04pm
rangitoto

Real meat back on the menu.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/11/02/red-meat-flawed-health-climate-claims-new-research-column/4112887002/

The researchers who wrote the report analyzed 61 past studies consisting of over 4 million participants to see whether red meat affected the risk of developing heart disease and cancer.

“All three came to the same conclusion: Decreasing red meat consumption had little to no effect on reducing risk of heart disease, cancer or stroke. ”

Fake Meat:

“Plant-based meat might enjoy the perception of being healthier, but that perception is far from reality. A lean beef burger has an average of nearly 20% fewer calories and 80% less sodium than the two most popularfake-meat burgers, the Impossible Burger and the Beyond Burger. “
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January 20, 2020 11:42am
Souvlaki

The RNZ radio interview attached to this Stuff clip is definitely worth a listen to ! The “woke” woman attempts to say Seymour/ACT are ” Trumpian “. Talk about jumping the shark…great to listen to him take the piss out of the hapless,low IQ interveiwer, who no doubt sucks lemon skins for enjoyment :-).
He MUST keep it up !
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/118901455/david-seymour-unimpressed-by-trump-slogan-conniptions
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January 20, 2020 11:49am
chaos

The Virginia protest is going to be interesting, there are a lot of angry gun owners online posting about it. Should be interesting to see what comes of it

* Virginia Governor Declares State Of Emergency Ahead Of Gun Rights Rally*

https://www.npr.org/2020/01/15/796666321/virginia-governor-declares-state-of-emergency-ahead-of-pro-gun-rally

* Sadly, I am posting this, knowing that the Governor of Virginia has declared a State of Emergency in our state.
I want you to be aware of how we are being set up.
Does the Patriot Act ring a bell?
Does the National Defense Authorization Act ring a bell?
If people show up wearing any kind of uniform, patch or other symbol on their clothing signifying they belong to a militia and something goes wrong, you could/will be held as a domestic terrorist.
If anyone steps out of line, all it takes is one person, it may even be a government plant….if that plant does anything to disrupt the rally, you could/will be arrested as a domestic terrorist.
The Governor, using the media has already set the stage for this to happen.
He has already laid the groundwork to make the entire movement look like insurrection.*

https://www.facebook.com/Chase4Senate/posts/2840596102672514
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January 20, 2020 12:02pm
- MCos
  
  Somebody commented on the FB page
  
  “Well i guess everyone who is trying to defend themselves against our nations terrorists such as the dems are considered domestic terrorists huh?”
  
  Translation
  If you’re a Democrat you’re a terrorist.
  Democrats think Republicans are terrorists.
  
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  January 20, 2020 3:05pm
  - chaos
    
    Sad state of affairs the way America sunk the past few decades
    
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    January 20, 2020 3:22pm
Maggie Pie

LOL!!
Yet another reason why i soooo love TWITTER 😛

https://twitter.com/LizzieMarvelly/status/1218714228640514049/photo/1
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January 20, 2020 12:40pm
- Tall Man
  
  Keeping up with attention seeking twats?
  
  I don’t know how you resist explaining “reality” to her.
  
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  January 20, 2020 2:24pm
- lifesgood
  
  Lizie Marvelly…urgh!
  
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  January 20, 2020 2:50pm
curry4me

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/spacex-crew-dragon-spaceship-abort-test-success-elon-musk-nasa-2020-1?r=US&IR=T

‘I’m super fired up’: Elon Musk and NASA are ecstatic after acing a ‘risky’ safety test of SpaceX’s new Crew Dragon spaceship for astronauts.
I hope all this Space Ex stuff goes well. By all means put a man on Mars. Then switch to robots. They’re cheaper, and expendable. No life support required.
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January 20, 2020 12:53pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZchpc6UJvs
Sajid Javid SLAMS EU As Britain Prepares For WTO Brexit.
I’m glad to see the Tories doing the right stuff.
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January 20, 2020 12:54pm
chaos

Newshub tell us

* David Seymour plays traditional Chinese instrument, speaks Mandarin in New Year video*

But then

* The music you hear in the clip was recorded by a professional however, Seymour saying his efforts to learn the 5000-year-old instrument were “about as successful” as his attempt to learn the guitar.*

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/01/david-seymour-plays-traditional-chinese-instrument-speaks-mandarin-in-new-year-video.html
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January 20, 2020 12:55pm
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* The National Party leader’s struggle to rise up the preferred Prime Minister polls is because he is viewed negatively by so many, political commentator Chris Trotter says, citing sources.

“I am told from people that see these things that his negative ratings are off the scale, and that’s the problem,” the left-leaning blogger and author told The AM Show on Monday.

“Sometimes it’s impossible to understand why people like someone or dislike them. [Cunliffe] never clicked. I don’t think Simon has clicked yet. He may do.”*

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/01/negative-ratings-are-off-the-scale-is-simon-bridges-national-s-very-own-david-cunliffe.html
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January 20, 2020 1:29pm
- Tall Man
  
  And yet I don’t find him offensive or unsuitable.
  
  I have never been a fan of “Presidential” politics as it is so shallow. Even a dominant leader like helen cannot “control” all aspects of the caucus, although the fear of her revealing “secrets” kept a few in line.
  
  Policies not promises, reality not aspirations are what I seek. I believe Simon Bridges is more likely to succeed on delivery than ardern will ever be capable of doing and as for the two teams……. need I say more.
  
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  January 20, 2020 2:21pm
  - chaos
    
    I tend to think this will be like Bolger and Key, that once national win they are going to find out just how much more of a mess Labour have left behind than they realized
    
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    January 20, 2020 3:20pm
- fernglas
  
  Cunliffe didn’t click because he was a deeply unempathetic man. Simon Bridges is fine; he just needs to unbend a little.
  
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  January 20, 2020 2:21pm
- lifesgood
  
  Most people who criticise him have never seen him perform in parliament, if they had they would know he is absolutely brilliant. There is also a subset of haters who expect him to be like a bull in a china shop, badmouthing labour at every turn and rushing in where angels fear to tread. He is no fool, slowly, slowly catchee monkey.
  
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  January 20, 2020 2:53pm
- niggly
  
  More spin from Trotter, Simon’s main issue has been the negative MSM framing but he has risen to the challenge, slam dunked Cindy back into her seat (in the debating chamber) a few times and even some in the MSM have reluctantly conceded he’s no push over.
  
  Even more spin from Trotter is him defending Winston’s “hurt” by saying John Key gambled to rule him out (in 2008, and won when NZF were turfed out) but it had nothing to with that – National ruled NZF out because of NZF’s dodgy behavior (surprise surprise over donations, some things never change) and NZ’ers were getting sick of it!
  
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  January 20, 2020 4:14pm
  - niggly
    
    And as for Trotter comparing Simon Bridges to David “I’m sorry for being a man” Cunliffe, that’s pretty desperate and silly (especially when some in Labour themselves were also calling Cunliffe “Silent T”, Bridges never had that issue)!
    
    No-one else comes close to being compared to “Cunliffe” …. mind you Angry Andy does like to try every now and then for some reason)!
    
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    January 20, 2020 4:23pm
- Gazza the Giant
  
  He has doubled his PM numbers in 6 months as Cindy has dropped 33% in the same time , no leader of the opposition has ever polled in front of the PM in their first term in MMP and only Key has polled in front before he took the election in 08 , I don’t even think Ardern was in front of English , she may have , but English was new to the leader of Nats as well , and we do have to remember the PM preferred has 50% of people giving a name , back when Cunliffe was failing I don’t think 50% were refusing to give PM numbers
  
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  January 20, 2020 6:28pm
chaos

Shocking missing person case in NZ, come on people everyone keep an eye out for them and let’s hope they can be found

https://ibb.co/2FQ7z4k
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January 20, 2020 2:03pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Might be better if not found – costs a lot of money for nothing
  
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  January 20, 2020 4:11pm
- Tall Man
  
  Christ that’ll curdle the milk!
  
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  January 20, 2020 5:49pm
IndividualResponsibility

fernglas – try UK based email commentaries, UNHERD, whose tag line is “Challenging the herd with new and bold thinking in philosophy, politics and culture”, and whose mission is to “push back against the herd mentality with new and bold thinking, and to provide a platform for otherwise unheard ideas, people and places”. Some excellent commentators recently, particularly on Boris, and Megxit, and the likes.
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January 20, 2020 2:13pm
secondcumming

TBH, I haven’t voted for 20 years, ever since this country adopted *SMP*.
Prior to that, a strong Nats family forever..

I was thinking to myself earlier on, can anyone tell me *one useful thing* that JK did for the country as a whole while he was PM…. other than look after himself, his family, and a few business associates? Thought not 😎
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January 20, 2020 2:21pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  How about getting the rebuild of Christchurch underway, stewarding (with Bill English) us through the GFC, reversing the flow of migrants to Australia and creating 10,000 new jobs per month?
  
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  January 20, 2020 3:11pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    But apart from that, what have the Romans ever done for us?
    
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    January 20, 2020 3:21pm
- brett68
  
  Yep, looking back, he basically used his time as PM to build his brand.
  He just did what he thought would keep himself and National in power.
  
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  January 20, 2020 3:15pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Oh dear, you’re really showing your true colours here. Don’t like Simon, don’t like Sir John Key but really really like National…….. I don’t think so.
    
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    January 20, 2020 8:06pm
- chaos
  
  And can you provide evidence of where he was looking after himself, his family and business associates?
  
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  January 20, 2020 3:28pm
- Swifty
  
  He ended the political careers of The Klarkenfuhrer and ‘Call me Sir’ Cullen.
  
  He deserves a Field Marshall’s baton for that alone.
  
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  January 20, 2020 3:40pm
- kevn
  
  @sc… Imagine the incumbents managing post earthquake ChCh, GFC? Nah.
  They can’t even manage after inheriting a very healthy balance book.
  
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  January 20, 2020 3:44pm
  - chaos
    
    The one thing I will always remember is in the budget debate after the earthquake, Phil Goff getting up and in his reply to the budget debate he basically said that the government should not be investing in Christchurch and should of left it to the insurance.
    
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    January 20, 2020 4:59pm
Sydney Alvarado

Isn’t this a bit mental when anyone who wishes to can find the name of this guy in about 10 seconds?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/118902349/grace-millane-murder-auckland-businessman-charged-with-naming-her-killer
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January 20, 2020 4:03pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Same with the Waihi thing
  
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  January 20, 2020 5:42pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Some fun. For those lefties with no sense of humour – turn off your computer/cellphone and go catch your bus/train.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmNwevUHIM0
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January 20, 2020 4:44pm
Northshore

John Key also spearheaded the Pacific Countries Free Trade deal (which has largely survived Trump’s efforts to torpedo it). He also was widely respected by world leaders and gained access at levels his predecessors could only dream about. He cemented in defense links with USA and finally repaired the damage the Lange Govt. inflicted on the USA/NZ military relationship.
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January 20, 2020 4:58pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Children gone home from this blog yet?
Hillary “Where are you going now?”
Bill “Fort David”
Hillary “Going to take me?”
Bill “Nope, I am taking my horminica”
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January 20, 2020 5:03pm
adamsmith1922

Some thoughts on the precious snowflakes called Harry and Meghan Markle

https://adamsmith.wordpress.com/2020/01/20/meghans-pr-scores/

Bye,bye tossers
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January 20, 2020 5:49pm
- chaos
  
  Right, so you know what it is like to live constantly in the media and to be so harassed by the media that you start to see in your own life what the media did to your mother.
  
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  January 20, 2020 6:16pm
  - chaos
    
    Btw, this snowflake as you call him spent two tours in Afghanistan while you did what? Snowflake he certainly is not, you on the other hand.
    
    If this is a snowflake then I’d hate to think what you are
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1hDUpLS71o&feature=emb_logo
    
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    January 20, 2020 8:09pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Nah, piss off, Harry is a top bloke who I suspect is sick of all the crap.
  
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  January 20, 2020 8:50pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/118911164/failed-travel-agency-travel-globe-issued-customers-fake-tickets-liquidator-says

“An Auckland travel company run by a former bankrupt allegedly sold fake airfares before going into liquidation, owing creditors more than $230,000, a liquidator’s report says.
Travel Globe, incorporated in January 2015, is owned and directed by Jujhar Singh. His wife, Harvinder Kaur had been director and shareholder until late December.”

Well well. What a surprise. An Indian ripping off other Indians.
When are we going to learn in this country ?
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January 20, 2020 6:24pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Learn what?
  
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  January 20, 2020 6:40pm
chaos

* Outspoken NZ First MP and Minister Shane Jones has launched a scathing attack on climate-change activists who want Kiwis to eat less meat, blasting their form of “eco bible bashing”.

He has compared them to “medieval torture chamber workers” and has vowed to rally against this sort of “absolutism” as Election 2020 draws closer.

His comments come after the Government, of which he is a Minister, announced school children would be taught about climate change in class.*

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12301929
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January 20, 2020 6:28pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Good on him…
  
  Following the pilot programme at South New Brighton School in 2018, some year 7 and 8 pupils who took part had become vegetarian.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/118905679/preteens-too-young-to-make-vegetarian-decision-dietitian-warns
  
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  January 20, 2020 7:52pm
  - chaos
    
    What should concern people about this crap Labour and greens want to push onto kids is this sort of crap. Kids don’t need this added rubbish pressure added on to them.
    
    https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/were-going-to-die-toronto-mother-says-young-daughter-terrified-by-school-presentation-on-climate-change
    
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    January 20, 2020 8:02pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Oh don’t worry…
      The Climate Change Wellbeing resource that accompanies the Taking Action Resource has lots of advice for our teachers….
      p.15:
      
      IF A CHILD IS SELF-HARMING, OR THINKING OF SUICIDE, GET HELP IMMEDIATELY
      • Contact the local Mental Health Crisis Team: 0800 611 116 or call 111.
      Alternatively, take the child or young person to the nearest hospital emergency department.
      • Stay with your child and ensure safety (remove any means for the person to hurt themselves).
      
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      January 20, 2020 8:36pm
      - sooty
        
        Just what’s needed!
        
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        January 20, 2020 9:49pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I never had to attach any suicide-watch messages to the classroom resources I prepared.
        
        How remiss of me!
        
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        January 20, 2020 10:03pm
- curry4me
  
  I’m sure he’ll do everything he can to stop it. Such a credible party NZ First. They’ve abolished Maori seats, and cut immigration to the bone/sarc
  
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  January 20, 2020 7:55pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  I have very little time for Jones, but in this case “buy that man a beer! ( or a steak). Actually, behind the bluster and bullshit, I suspect he’s not a bad bloke. NZ first would be a much better option if he was in charge.
  
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  January 20, 2020 8:49pm
  - Tall Man
    
    I suppose it’s like the “republic of the sewer rats”……
    
    It all comes down to choosing the least offensive “sewer rat” to front to the people.
    
    I think at least when you vote for “what’s in it for wynston”, you know exactly what you won’t get, honesty, integrity and real democracy.
    
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    January 21, 2020 8:32am
- niggly
  
  Yeah right – has Shane Jones checked in first with (NZF) Associate Education Minister (and Jacindamania/climate change supporter), Tracy Martin?
  
  Expect more “common sense” desperate deflection/rhetoric from the guy that’s being thrown under the Winston/Henry First Bus!
  
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  January 20, 2020 9:33pm
- Rodney Randall
  
  “We roll out Shane for a media comment when the Party needs better exposure” – Fletcher Tabuteau
  
  A mere diversion from Jone’s brain fart concerning a certain forestry company with close links to New Zealand First. The company says it gave a presentation to Shane Jones about a project it was seeking a $15 million government loan for – months before Jones says he first heard of it.
  
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  January 20, 2020 9:50pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Anyone prepared to venture the thought that the initial “presentation” was to rough out a “best method and timing” to get the best result?
    
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    January 21, 2020 8:35am
Fletch

President Trump’s lawyers respond appropriately to the articles of impeachment sent across by the House.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Answer-of-President-Donald-J.-Trump.pdf
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January 20, 2020 6:46pm
Northshore

Fletch – would it be fair to say he doesn’t like the idea of being impeached?
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January 20, 2020 7:32pm
- curry4me
  
  No, he fears shampeachment as much as Brer Rabbit feared the briar patch.
  
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  January 20, 2020 7:56pm
chaos

Lock your sons up and protect them, Darren Hughes is back in the country

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/lifestyle/2020/01/labour-mp-chris-hipkins-shares-his-beautiful-wedding-photos.html
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January 20, 2020 8:24pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Just for a bit of fun, Darren set up a ‘Fortune Teller’s Booth’ in the grounds of Premier House. He told anyone who wanted their fortune read to bend over the Swiss Ball.
  
  LOL!!!!!! 😛 😛 😛
  
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  January 20, 2020 8:49pm
- MrTips
  
  Did Ardern whisk Hughes in on Broomstick 1 and hide him away at a media personalities house before hand?
  
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  January 20, 2020 8:59pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Statute of limitations run out then?
  
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  January 20, 2020 11:35pm
fightingtemeraire

Broomstick 1!!! If they cancel the new Hercs they will be down to broomsticks
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January 20, 2020 9:07pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  I don’t think they have been ordered yet, but why would the replacement project be cancelled?
  
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