General Debate 19 January 2020

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CJames

This is a very scary foretaste of what NZ is in for if the liberal elite get their way in changing our society with their re-education campaigns. There are so many similarities. If it took less than 2 months to take Chile down, NZ could be doomed within a year.
https://johnhcochrane.blogspot.com/2020/01/a-chilly-chilean-lesson.html
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January 19, 2020 8:00am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Wow, very scary.
  
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  January 19, 2020 8:28am
- Simon
  
  What keeps those the tards in Labo & Greens in check are the banks. The banks warn if you make too many stupid moves interest rates will spike and you will be gone by lunch time.
  
  Socialism is dead because capital now is always international. Forget overseas deposit holders – if NZ deposit holders saw this government as seriously retarded i.e was going to carry out what they really want to. The money would head to Australia in weeks and NZ collapse would be inside of months.
  
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  January 19, 2020 8:35am
  - LTA1955
    
    This “free” mantra we are seeing already from the lazy PTPM and her “government”:
    “Unfortunately, Chileans are falling prey to the demagogic populism so prevalent in South American (think Peronism, Evo Morales, Hugo Chavez, Lula). It is very sad to see. I would have thought that after many years of very decent economic policy and economic training by very good academics trained in the best schools, that Chileans would be different.
    But no, they fell prey, and as Prof Cochrane says, the Piñera government did not defend it.
    My wild guess is that this started with President Michelle Bachelet. She started this demagoguery of free stuff, as if stuff had no cost.
    And then, it went downhill from there.
    It will be very, very difficult to turn this around. Once the free stuff mindset sets in, you cannot dislodge it.”
    New Zealanders need to wake up and smell the shit that this government is generating and reach for the cowshed high pressure hose and hose “em out on October 2020. Another term and this country is f’ed.
    
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    January 19, 2020 9:22am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    Plus the NZ Dollar is one of the most traded currencies. Traders weight a country’s economic stability and political stability when deciding to trade.
    But we are vulnerable if we have another term of the COL. They will blow our economy with their madcap redistribution policies and additional taxes.
    
    What we need are low flat rate taxes. The less tax a Government can collect the less they can waste.
    
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    January 19, 2020 9:59am
  - Ruahine
    
    I have a lot of my retirement savings in banks in Australia for the reasons you state. This govt cannot be trusted and seeing as they are likely to be the gov’t again along with parasitical Greens after the election in September it seems a prudent thing to do especially when you look at some of the left agenda rubbish that the present Reserve bank Governor spouts.
    
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    January 19, 2020 10:35am
- infused
  
  good article
  
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  January 19, 2020 8:37am
- Stephieboy2
  
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  CJames ,
  absolute paranoid nonsesne .NZ a far cry from Chile with or without the COL
  
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  January 19, 2020 11:01am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Hear, hear!
    I demand we build thousands more free state houses for the poor & oppressed of Aotearoa…!
    (i.e., my ‘support base’ and others who would believe the sh!t I propose daily).
    
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    January 19, 2020 12:30pm
  - CJames
    
    Stephiegirl, you would be a lot more credible if you learnt how to spell and could string together a sentence without a cliché in.
    Why is it paranoid? In what way are the conditions described in Chile different to NZ? I work with some Chileans and their views on their country going down the gurgler match the tone of the article.
    
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    January 19, 2020 12:31pm
- Rich Prick
  
  I don’t think the Government took its lesson from the 1991 Building Act, dumped on Councils with no central support, which gave rise to the leaky buildings crisis. That $40b tab is being picked up by ratepayers everywhere.
  
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  January 19, 2020 11:22am
  - tf78
    
    Leaky buildings were brought to us compliments of the “Greens”.
    
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    January 19, 2020 11:52am
    - Aliog
      
      That’s complete bullshit! I loathe the Greens at a visceral level because they are nothing but communists…but they had nothing to do with the leaky buildings.
      
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      January 19, 2020 1:47pm
      - Overworked
        
        The greens pushed hard for the use of untreated timber in houses, the usual tinfoil hat stuff. Kedgley pushed particularly hard as I recall it.
        
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        January 19, 2020 10:22pm
- Bung Fizzer
  
  Hi CJames,
  Can you tell me EXACTLY how elites won the war.
  
  No offense but you’re not EXACTLY intelligent.
  
  Let me give you a clue…….talk sence because numbnuts like you relies on ‘faux’
  
  ps…….ever been outside of God’s zone
  
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  January 19, 2020 6:51pm
  - CJames
    
    Another idiot who forgets to wipe the spittle off the keyboard as they drop into their mantra of collective abuse, I see. Learn to spell and punctuate correctly- ellipsis only have three dots with you using it in the wrong context anyway- that is why you credibility rapidly drops to zero. Using capitals to show that you are really upset is just so cute – that’s teenage girls stuff. I got School Cert English, which you obviously never passed.
    If you actually could read the full links, assuming it is within your capabilities, you would see how the problems in Chile have happened because of misplaced sense of entitlements, fostered by the changes to the system brought about by the previous academics led government. The changes in their education system in recent times and have been massive. Any argument based on a sense of free anything and income inequality is a flawed one.
    Not only have I been outside NZ, I wasn’t even born here.
    
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    January 19, 2020 8:40pm
artemisia

Huge volume of consultation documents dumped onto councils right on Christmas, very little time to respond. Some are very far reaching reforms with massive impact on councils and ratepayers.

Very effective consultation process? I think not. I guess the politicians were ‘extremely tired’ so needed their couple of months off. Soz you guys won’t get a holiday though.

How better than to shift the monkey off their backs onto some else’s so they can take a break.

‘Angst and frustration’ from councils over deluge of reforms

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/118803710/angst-and-frustration-from-councils-over-deluge-of-reforms
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January 19, 2020 8:09am
- JackRabbit
  
  With the closing dates for submissions co-incide with staff at councils just getting back up to speed, its called Entrapment.
  
  No-one could be so stupid as to expect councils to have got consultation and have the submissions in on time, the first submission date being January 27. Not when you realise that left leaning pollies constantly push the empathy barrow, and SPPM Sock Puppet PM is taking 8 weeks holiday.
  
  It is a deliberate attempt to side step political process and ram the reforms through without consultation. We are living in a fascist dictatorship.
  
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  January 19, 2020 8:33am
  - artemisia
    
    Large volume of ‘consultation’ documents just scraped into the Year of Delivery. Success at last!
    
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    January 19, 2020 8:42am
    - JackRabbit
      
      Success would imply a positive outcome and delivery on the things the PMSP made promises on.
      
      There is no delivery on the PMSP’s promises, and there was never going to be. Those were the feel-good messages designed to lull the public into a false sense of hope.
      
      The real delivery is as per artemisia’s post.
      
      A spot inspection The Resource Management Amendment Bill appears to grant government more power. However I’m sure there are skilled people on this blog that can shed light on some of these reforms.
      
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      January 19, 2020 9:19am
  - calendar girl
    
    Is PM Ardern really on 8 weeks leave overseas? Who are the ‘real’ people in this country (outside of the education structure) who get 8 weeks summer leave, in addition to other leave taken during the year?
    
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    January 19, 2020 8:55am
    - JackRabbit
      
      I think she is not the PM, she is the PMSP. Prime Minister Sock Puppet.
      
      All sock puppets lie idle when the puppeteer is off doing other things.
      
      She has no planning to do, no principles or values to hone, no standards, no objectives . She just has to wait for the puppeteer(s) to resume. Perhaps
      puppeteer(s) are on holiday. “Nothing for you to do right now Cindy, have some time off while we do our planning.”
      
      Considering the huge amount of reforms being pushed through, someone has been busy, but it was not the sock puppet.
      
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      January 19, 2020 9:07am
      - Sydney Alvarado
        
        Yes many public servants have been busy.
        
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        January 19, 2020 9:37am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      She’s back in Auckland
      
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      January 19, 2020 9:27am
      - Nickc2
        
        Bugger! I was hoping the Ausies would claim her as their own. Oh, perhaps not. The Ausies are not that dumb!
        
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        January 19, 2020 12:36pm
    - Sydney Alvarado
      
      No she is not taking 8 weeks holiday overseas. It is 4 weeks. There is a Cabinet meeting on 28 January.
      
      I’m no fan but I don’t know where the 8 weeks thing came from.
      
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      January 19, 2020 9:36am
      - Steve Todd
        
        “[…] but I don’t know where the 8 weeks thing came from.”
        
        It comes from the fact that there is eight weeks between the time the House rose at the end of last year (Wednesday 18 December), and when it sits again, on Tuesday 11 February.
        
        That does not mean the PM will have had eight weeks off, any more than Bill English and John Key (and Helen Clark, and Jenny Shipley, and Jim Bolger, etc., etc.) had “eight weeks off”, at this time of the year, when they were prime minister.
        
        In other words, it is just certain Kiwibloggers seizing on any reason they can find to denigrate the prime minister, regardless of how nonsensical their criticism is.
        
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        January 19, 2020 10:47am
      - Sydney Alvarado
        
        AFAIK there is only one “Kiwiblogger” [SIC] and that is David Farrar. I accept that some people who comment on Kiwiblog get a little loose in their enthusiasm to disparage the PM. However I suggest you zip it sweety. You have no moral high ground here. Let’s face it. Your comrades devoted 9 years to hating John Key, disparaging his children and celebrating a rap idiot who enjoyed singing about raping Stephie Key.
        
        So whether the PM has had 4 weeks holiday or 6 or 8 is not really a big deal for me. And if it is for some commentators here, you might be thankful that few of them seem to be rap fans.
        
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        January 19, 2020 11:24am
      - Steve Todd
        
        Your reply to me was over-the-top, and very revealing about you (which I shall keep in mind in future).
        
        I simply answered your question, in a clearly non-partisan manner.
        
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        January 19, 2020 12:20pm
      - artemisia
        
        IIRC her office told the media Ms Ardern was extremely tired and would not be doing any interviews for 8 weeks. We know she has been holidaying, but maybe she is doing other things. If so they seem to be secret.
        
        Sounds to me like she was not coping well and is being protected by her party. She needs to be ready for her first real election campaign as leader and some of it will be difficult for her. Throwing money around will be easy, as will photo ops at the local kindy. Media will be more challenging this time round, not much fun.
        
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        January 19, 2020 1:07pm
      - info@cruzpro.com
        
        I don’t know if JA is back in NZ but I saw her partner in Tutukaka Thursday (Along with the film crew).
        
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        January 19, 2020 7:09pm
    - Happychappy
      
      If you think hugging cuddling and kissing is classified as work One News has her doing the job.
      https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/jacinda-ardern-welcomes-in-year-rat-chinese-new-festival.
      Myself I would class it as a roll in attention seeking and using the media to attract more voters. But I guess when you have a political corrupt media whose object is to have Jacinda and Labour re- elected that’s there interpretation of work.
      
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      January 19, 2020 9:45am
  - tf78
    
    We are now often told about “this regime”. The Aotearoan’s can have their regime the rest of us can keep New Zealand.
    
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    January 19, 2020 10:02am
  - freethinker
    
    I am so disappointed in National who could scupper much of the legislative shit excreted by this collection of clowns by simply saying specific legislation that fits the bill will be retrospectively repealed by a future National Govt and any effects of such legislation would be void and that would put the coalition into a tail spin .If I was PM in this circumstance with a Boris like Majority I would go even further and propose legislation that would bar from public office permanently all MPs who voted for such legislation
    
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    January 19, 2020 9:14pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  ‘Angst and frustration’
  
  Now the bastards know how I feel when I stand in front of their desk with an application to mow my lawn and their berm or, any other action involving a council.
  
  I am talking specifically about the fucktards in Auckland, I am sure others suffer the same fate with their council’s.
  
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  January 19, 2020 8:54am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Not for consultation–for rubber stamping only.
  These proposals all require serious review. The COL are hoping to ram through their no-going-back- programme well before the election.
  As an amateur communist govt they must be contained.
  ☑️☑️Rout2020☑️☑️
  
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  January 19, 2020 9:03am
- JackRabbit
  
  Its also clear that these were rushed through. So much that proper spell checking was missed on one of the web pages. Tagline “We have developing a proposed National Policy Statement for Indigenous Biodiversity…”
  
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  January 19, 2020 9:23am
  - Nickc2
    
    “We have developing a proposed National Policy Statement for Indigenous Biodiversity…”
    What the F does that mean in real speak? Sounds like university gobble-d-goop to me. Must have been written by a kindy teacher graduating top of her class.
    
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    January 19, 2020 12:47pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      Buzzwords to confuse the “masses”.
      
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      January 19, 2020 2:28pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Thanks JackRabbit. I have just been informed by another source that it came directly from the PM’s office. Still, goes with my initial comment about kindy teachers I guess.
        I suppose it beats groping young females, or does it?
        
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        January 19, 2020 2:47pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @Nickc2
        
        “Indigenous Biodiversity” by definition of the words implies the variety of plant and animal life in the world or in a particular habitat, a high level of which is usually considered to be important and desirable and which occurred naturally i.e. not introduced.
        
        However an extended internet search shows it to be “Biodiversity” managed by the races “Indigenous” to the country.
        
        Put in simple terms, the offspring of the last lot of Indigenous immigrants, the Tahitian Maoris get to have final say in managing the land. Taking government Racism to a whole new level.
        
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        January 19, 2020 5:45pm
- Sydney Alvarado
  
  And one of the proposals out for consultation is the creation of a new government agency to oversee drinking water provision. And of course it has a Maori name “Taumata Arowai”. FFS.
  
  This is a core role of local government. If a council is screwing it up sack the council.
  
  Makes me ? mad.
  
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  January 19, 2020 9:32am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Communism / Fascism = centralisation of power.
    
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    January 19, 2020 10:26am
- Inandout
  
  Thank goodness my house is well away from vacant land ready for HNZ development. There is though a rather flash street that has a ton of vacant land nearby…ouch.
  
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  January 19, 2020 11:11am
JibberJabber

https://genesiustimes.com/democrats-sue-iran-over-right-to-use-death-to-america-as-2020-campaign-slogan/
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January 19, 2020 8:11am
- Inandout
  
  Champers Harrison, Bozo Bernie, Sleepy Biden, Worried Warren, Noodles Nancy, Butt Pete..my God what a lineup.
  
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  January 19, 2020 11:19am
  - Rich Prick
    
    325m people and that’s the best the Democrats can find … and even then, they’re warring amongst themselves.
    
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    January 19, 2020 11:48am
  - Nickc2
    
    And then there’s Hillary baby.
    
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    January 19, 2020 12:51pm
G152

Aussie bush fires have been flooded out of everything except the fake news
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January 19, 2020 8:16am
- Ruahine
  
  Oh No!!. Now it is massive flooding. The damn climate just never gives up. It is always changing. See I told ya.
  
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  January 19, 2020 10:39am
Doubledimp

It might sound facetious but what does the productivity commission deliver in terms of value for money? Because I keep hearing how growth is propped up by immigration rather than upskilling and investment in tools.
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January 19, 2020 8:21am
- cmm
  
  We have a poverdee comission that is supposed to reduce poverdee and a productivity commission that is supposed to increase productivity.
  
  Maybe they got their powerpoints mixed up?
  
  Growth from immigration is consumption growth (more people buying tat in shops etc).
  
  Growth from upskilling and investment is productivity growth (more stuff flowing out of our factories etc).
  
  But, perversely, they both count as GDP growth.
  
  It is way easier to increase consumption than production so guess which route the Comrades take?
  
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  January 19, 2020 8:46am
  - JackRabbit
    
    They don’t know how to encourage production. They don’t realise that to encourage production, all they have to do is remove the controlling legislation that inhibits production.
    
    If they simply did the opposite of what they have been doing, and reversed what they have already done, production would improve.
    
    Removing controls however is not in sync with their dictatorship goals.
    
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    January 19, 2020 9:02am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The effect being that the migrants are getting what others here are being denied.
    
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    January 19, 2020 9:07am
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Trumpelstiltskin?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/01/17/no-crime-no-dice-trump-needs-sing-new-tune/?utm_campaign=post_most&utm_medium=Email&utm_source=Newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1
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January 19, 2020 8:22am
Vallager

If you haven’t seen it, watch actor Laurence Fox on the BBC’s Questions Time. He really is a legend! https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/bbc/video-2090148/Video-Laurence-Foxs-best-moments-BBC-Question-TIme.html
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January 19, 2020 8:27am
- Colville
  
  The dagger coming out of the eyes of the chick sitting next to him….so funny.
  
  A well spoken well thought out few comments.
  
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  January 19, 2020 9:28am
  - Inandout
    
    Col, the little lady was spitting tacks under her breath because she appeared as woke as they come. How dare this man use free speech.
    
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    January 19, 2020 11:24am
    - jonno1
      
      They don’t like it up ’em!
      
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      January 19, 2020 12:52pm
adamsmith1922

Remembering Derek Fowlds who died 17 January 2020

https://adamsmith.wordpress.com/2020/01/19/derek-fowlds-reminisces/

https://adamsmith.wordpress.com/2020/01/19/humour-in-the-morning-bernard-stands-up-against-sir-humphrey/
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January 19, 2020 8:29am
Maggy Wassilieff

I’m having a light-blue day, folks.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/118718384/ministry-of-health-stands-by-funding-of-hocus-pocus-traditional-mori-system
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January 19, 2020 8:29am
- SGA
  
  You’re clearly not a Pisces then Maggy 🙂
  
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  January 19, 2020 8:43am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’m a snake.
    
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    January 19, 2020 9:30am
    - SGA
      
      Makes it easy to remember how long ago Everest was first climbed?
      
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      January 19, 2020 9:45am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Is is to be a new requirement for bennies?
  Isn’t the State required to be secular not based on Maori Spirits?
  
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  January 19, 2020 9:13am
- Rodney Randall
  
  “The work of Healthy Families NZ is part of the growing movement to place indigenous knowledge and practices on an equal level with western epistemologies,” said the ministry.
  
  Evidence based medicine is so last century!
  
  The long march through the institutions.
  
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  January 19, 2020 9:25am
  - Sydney Alvarado
    
    I would like to see the National Party catalogue a list of decisions like this over the last two years.. Like this one. There will be hundreds. It would be a fun job for a couple of researchers.
    
    Then announce that within 30 days of taking office it will reverse every one of them. That would include an omnibus Bill to undo every piece of legislation that they opposed during this term of parliament.
    
    The problem is that activists who seek and are granted funding for bullshit never stop. Metaphorically they “never sleep”. Next stop will be a dedicated Crown Entity to enforce teaching of Maori “science” in schools. And I challenge anyone to discount that happening. I would never have thought what is happening now possible two years ago.
    
    This country could be great but it is going to hell.
    
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    January 19, 2020 9:53am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      To sound reasonable, National would have to say of course people are free to enjoy aspects of their culture, but not tax funded.
      
      While people aren’t getting surgery they need within decent timeframes!
      
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      January 19, 2020 5:26pm
  - Ruahine
    
    It all works when someone else is paying. Just more pretend bludging.
    
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    January 19, 2020 10:44am
- cmm
  
  “The maramataka is a complex system traditionally used for sourcing food and fresh water.”
  
  Now it is used to decide on when to go to Pak n Save
  
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  January 19, 2020 9:45am
- Jack5
  
  Old Maori had 200 words for “snow”, words ancestors apparently brought across the sunny Pacific Islands? C’mon.
  
  And this:
  
  “In Te Arawa maramataka, the orange days are the highest energy, navy blue is high energy, green is moderate, grey is low and light blue, the lowest energy.
  
  Pre-Western settlement Maori did not have separate words for “blue” and “green”. This was noted by early Pakeha. The Maori adjective for “blue” is “purū” – obviously a loan word from English.
  
  They did have a word for dark blue pigment, apparently, but generally not words that distinguished what foreigners saw as “blue” and “green”.
  
  (They weren’t alone in having fewer colour distinctions. For example, in English we don’t have common single words to distinguish the two “blues” that Russians see.)
  
  For anyone interested in colour words in various languages, and the fact that many indigenous languages have fewer colour distinctions than languages of more “advanced” societies:
  
  https://theconversation.com/languages-dont-all-have-the-same-number-of-terms-for-colors-scientists-have-a-new-theory-why-84117
  
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  January 19, 2020 10:05am
  - cmm
    
    Anything for a handout.
    
    I’m sure our Minister of Health approves. He is a real Doctor! A Doctor of hocus-pocus.
    
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    January 19, 2020 11:33am
  - MrLovebucket
    
    The eskimos only have about 30 words for snow, and the only reason it’s that many is to make playing I Spy a bit less shit.
    
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    January 19, 2020 12:54pm
  - artemisia
    
    The famous phrase from Homer – ‘wine dark sea’ – is usually considered to indicate the ancient Greeks had no word for blue. Think I read somewhere that maybe their wine was actually blue though. Hmmm.
    
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    January 19, 2020 1:43pm
  - sam green
    
    @Jack5
    
    Kahurangi and kākāriki.
    
    Early Pākehā obviously weren’t listening.
    
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    January 19, 2020 2:42pm
    - Pharmachick
      
      Nope, sorry Sam,
      
      Kahurangi traditionally meant precious or honourable or important. Even if used as a modifier, it is only very occasionally associated with “blue”.
      
      Kākāriki is emphatically green.
      
      The annexation of Kahurangi to mean blue or blues is a 1990s affectation.
      
      Learned Maori in the early 80s from (1) a speaker who learned it at his grandmother’s knee from the Wanganui River (Pipiriki), and (2) an Arawa princess raised in the tongue just outside of Rotorua. I was one of the experimental generation, when they first re-introduced Maori into the primary school curriculum, and our town (Tok) had one of the first bilingual classes in the state school system.
      
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      January 19, 2020 4:13pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Correct….
        
        A paper on the Colour Sense of Maori was written in 1879 by James Stack
        
        Blue was not formerly recognized, as no word exists to represent it. Anything blue was classed with black, and went under the heading of pouri, or pango, or mangu. The blue depths of ocean and sky were pouri, or dark. At the suggestion of Europeans, the indigo-blue plumage of the pakura (Porphyrio melanotus,) is sometimes employed to indicate the colour, which before intercourse with Europeans was unrecognized.
        
        No words are found in the Maori language to express violet, brown, orange, and pink colours; but there are no less than three words to express pied or speckled objects. Kopurepure = reddish speckle; Kotingotingo = dark speckle; tongitongi = spotted.
        http://rsnz.natlib.govt.nz/volume/rsnz_12/rsnz_12_00_001430.html
        
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        January 19, 2020 4:43pm
      - sam green
        
        I was taught that kahurangi came from Te Kahu o Rangi – the cloak of Rangi the sky father. Makes sense. Kikorangi also used for blue. Kākāriki from the green parrot feathers. There are also many colour variations in the nomenclature for pounamu. I imagine there are also dialectic variations. I learned from Tūhoe and Waikato native speakers in the eighties.
        
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Komata

BM@0822

The WaPo as a reliable and impartial source?
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January 19, 2020 8:30am
- fernglas
  
  Name me the ones that you consider “reliable and impartial”. Not that I consider the WaPo necessarily to be so. but I am curious.
  
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  January 19, 2020 9:36am
  - Komata
    
    fernglass@0936
    
    Re: ‘Name me the ones that you consider “reliable and impartial”.
    
    Regrettably, there are none that fit the description.
    
    Thank you for asking.
    
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    January 19, 2020 5:06pm
    - fernglas
      
      So there are no reliable and impartial news sources in this world? I guess we just have to go with the ones that suit our prejudices, then.
      
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      January 19, 2020 9:01pm
cmm

1970: Grandpa, why were you a member of the Nazi Party back in 1930s when you knew they were wrong?

Well grandson. I did not really believe what they said. But if you didn’t join the Brownshirts bullied your kids and smashed your house and you got called a Jew Lover and got fired from your job. So we turned our backs on the nice Goldstein family that lived next door and signed up.

2045: Grandpa why did you go along with the scientific consensus back in 2020?
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January 19, 2020 8:32am
- projectman
  
  What scientific consensus is that?
  
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  January 19, 2020 8:34am
  - Stephieboy2
    
    Global warming!
    
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    January 19, 2020 10:12am
    - cmm
      
      I thought the scientific consensus was:
      
      LOL!
      
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      January 19, 2020 1:14pm
- SGA
  
  From zero to Godwin in one sentence, well done! 🙂
  
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  January 19, 2020 8:45am
- JackRabbit
  
  Well Grandson, We really didn’t believe the theory of man made global warming, as real science showed it was false, but if you didn’t agree, you were labelled a denier. In the schools children were taught that being a denier was wrong, started to dob in other children that were deniers or whose parents were deniers. Such children were frequently beaten up. Children were used as blackmail.
  
  Laws were passed that made being a denier a “hate crime”, and you would be arrested for creating civil unrest and imprisoned.
  
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  January 19, 2020 8:49am
  - pdm
    
    JackR – I am not a fan of the phrase climate denier.
    
    I prefer climate realist!!
    
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    January 19, 2020 9:08am
    - JackRabbit
      
      Me too, however this is all part of brainwashing the public.
      
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      January 19, 2020 9:29am
    - tedbear
      
      Then again those in the opposing team are Climate Activists aka Climate Terrorists.
      
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      January 19, 2020 10:45am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Folks are so quick to forget that leading scientists: pushed Aryan racial theory and Eugenics
  Ran the Ahnenerbe
  Promulgated Arische (Deutsche) Physik
  
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  January 19, 2020 9:41am
  - Stephieboy2
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    MW, don’t you accept we have only one atmosphere ?,
    
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    [Mod: that’s the 4th time you have posted that link – we saw it the first time.]
    
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    January 19, 2020 10:16am
    - tedbear
      
      How do you know that Stephie?
      The scientists have yet to explain why Earth’s weather is ‘a coupled non-linear chaotic system’.
      It’s known that system is self-healing therefore it’s feasible it does that by recycling atmospheres.
      
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      January 19, 2020 10:57am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      @stephieboy
      Do you accept that the Nazi scientists were right?
      Do you believe in eugenics and German Physics?
      Do you think we should send another expedition to New Swabia?
      Do you approve of medical research on nonconsenting individuals?
      Do you approve of labelling scientists as DENIERS?
      
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      January 19, 2020 11:29am
      - JackRabbit
        
        stephieboy is not interested in science any more than a bible bashing pedophile in the Vatican believes in God.
        
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        January 19, 2020 11:38am
      - Stephieboy2
        
        Well I do accept Einstein’s physics.
        
        Do you?
        
        I don’t regard Anthony Watts as a scientist!
        
        Otherwise obviously no to your other questions!
        
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        January 19, 2020 11:39am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        You have labelled me as a Denier… so now you reckon that is wrong do you?
        
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        January 19, 2020 11:50am
      - JackRabbit
        
        @Stephieboy2
        
        >>>”…Well I do accept Einstein’s physics.”
        
        I don’t. Nikola Tesla pointed out many holes in Einsteins calculations, and the many flaws in assumptions that were made in order for his theories to work.
        
        Nikola Tesla believed that if your theory was correct, you could demonstrate it. He demonstrated and patented the things he claimed to understand.
        
        “Einstein’s relativity work is a magnificent mathematical garb which fascinates, dazzles and makes people blind to the underlying errors. The theory is like a beggar clothed in purple whom ignorant people take for a king… its exponents are brilliant men but they are metaphysicists rather than scientists.”
        
        -Nikola Tesla
        
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        January 19, 2020 12:26pm
      - CJames
        
        You got that wrong as well Stephie. A lot of Einsteinian physics has been replaced by Quantum theory (the origin of the “God does not play dice” quote https://cosmosmagazine.com/physics/what-einstein-meant-by-god-does-not-play-dice) and that is now possibly being replaced by string theory.
        
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        January 19, 2020 12:37pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @CJames
        
        And even string theory, while popularised by Big Bang Theory, still remains a theory.
        
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        January 19, 2020 1:40pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @stephieboy
        
        I don’t regard Anthony Watts as a scientist!
        
        And what makes you qualified to state that?
        
        Clearly the American Geophysical Union were happy to publish his research
        
        Analysis of the impacts of station exposure on the U.S. Historical Climatology Network temperatures and temperature trends
        
        https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2010JD015146
        
        Do you not realise your nasty vindictive campaigns on Kiwiblog against individuals you know nothing about are identical to the tactics that were employed by the “good folk” supporting Nazi science?
        
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        January 19, 2020 2:48pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @Stephiboy2
        
        “I don’t regard Anthony Watts as a scientist!”
        
        A scientist is not some who has passed an exam and got a piece of paper. It is not someone who has been anointed by some leading figure who is head of their respective field.
        
        A scientist is someone who engages in research to advance knowledge in an area of interest. The more the science research can be demonstrated to work and/or parallel principles found in existing established fields of knowledge the more credible it is.
        
        Almost all of Climate Change theories fail on the first steps:
        
        (1) They never establish a baseline, and most do not even acknowledge a baseline.
        
        (2) They never ask the most obvious questions:
        Have I seen this before, have I not seen this before, have I seen this when the two events were connected, have I seen this when they were not connected, and so on.
        
        If temperature rise is linked solely to CO2 increases, are there examples of where CO2 increase and temperature rise are not linked. When they are linked, which one leads?
        
        I have seen science project proposals, with far more credibility than man made climate change, dumped in the trash within 30 minutes of the first proposal meeting because of lack of obvious fact checking.
        
        In my day, the lack of or failure to acknowledge baselines even in a school project, let alone university or in a lab would result in a fail or demotion. What passes for science in respect of man made climate change, would have passed out the rear end of a horse 40 years ago.
        
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        January 19, 2020 3:23pm
    - cmm
      
      No Stephie we don’t really have one atmosphere. We have multiple: troposhere, ionosphere, etc.
      
      They all act differently at different times due to different stimuli.
      
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      January 19, 2020 11:36am
      - Stephieboy2
        
        I repeat we have only one atmosphere to care for!
        
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        January 19, 2020 11:40am
      - JackRabbit
        
        @Stephieboy2
        
        It is so dangerous to knee jerk without understanding. Extinction Rebellion is a knee jerk reaction, funded by hidden actors who stand to make billions out of the impact of the vague causes promoted by Extinction Rebellion. As it stands at the moment, Extinction Rebellion are ten times more likely to trash the planet than to save it.
        
        Who knows, maybe Planet of the Apes is a forewarning fiction of what happens when mindless idiots get control. The Piers Morgan interview with Skeena Rathor shows Skeena has surrendered human intelligence and replaced it with mindless emotional claptrap and biases. She could fill the role of an ape leader without breaking a sweat.
        
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        January 19, 2020 12:40pm
      - cmm
        
        stephie: You can repeat it as many times as you want. It does not make it real.
        
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        January 19, 2020 5:56pm
adamsmith1922

Laurence Fox appeared on BBC Question Time and appears to have upset the woke

https://adamsmith.wordpress.com/2020/01/19/laurence-fox-exposes-woke-hypocrisy-on-bbc-question-time-16012020/

However,it seems he has broad support, thank heavens
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January 19, 2020 8:32am
- The only red for me is that of Manchester United
  
  That woman of colour claiming Lawrence is racist. Typical Scouser. “Always the victim, its never your fault.” Normally sung from the Stretford End. ?
  
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  January 19, 2020 9:19am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    If you want to start that shit on here we can talk about the scum stuff Man U supporters get up to
    
    Mods: ‘ “Always the victim, its never your fault.”’ this is a reference to the death of 96 people in a football stadium… its shit and our Man U supporting friend can shove it up his fundamental orifice…
    
    Looking forward to seeing OGS anti-football rolled out at Anfield tomorrow are we?
    
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    January 19, 2020 10:50am
projectman

NZ was set on a path to doom back in 2017 when Comrade Ardern was handed the leadership of the Labour Party.

Labour may not be achieving any of the milestones it set out back then, and our PTPM seems not to have her finger on the pulse, but we can be sure that she is underneath it all working hard on her push to the hard left starting with the brain-washing of our suceptible citizens – our youth.

Once in place, these socialist initiatives will be difficult to reverse (as I’m sure Comrade Ardern well understands). The question for us is ‘will a change of government in the next election help?’ The ball is in your court National.
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January 19, 2020 8:33am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Sportsbet in Oz indicates Labour will get another term but so will Trump.
  
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  January 19, 2020 8:49am
  - JackRabbit
    
    A part of Nationals campaign should be to play and play over again, the Comrade Ardern Youtube video clip.
    
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    January 19, 2020 8:52am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      I am sending a link to the clip to Fox News.
      
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      January 19, 2020 9:06am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      I couldn’t disagree more. There’s plenty National can target the government and Ardern over in terms of broken promises without resorting to that sort of shit.
      
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      January 19, 2020 9:16am
      - Colville
        
        TS.
        I agree.
        If National goes down the path of Ardern Vs Bridges on a personality basis National will get utterly flogged.
        
        National needs to be clean and focused, all about policy and delivery. Being capable of delivering said policy.
        Roading, tax breaks, helping business, fixing the RMA.
        
        Labour have failed to deliver on promises, that is where they are weak . Cindy is strong on empathy and word play if National plays to her strengths she will confuse and confound enough munters to steal it again.
        
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        January 19, 2020 9:38am
      - Tauhei Notts
        
        To truly comprehend how vile this current regime is one needs an attention span in excess of 140 characters.
        Ardern’s strength is that she knows that few voters have such an attention span.
        I think it is terribly disappointing that she is likely to win again.
        
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        January 19, 2020 9:57am
      - Swifty
        
        @Colville – hit ’em where they’re weakest.
        
        Hard.
        
        And often.
        
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        January 19, 2020 10:04am
      - JackRabbit
        
        brokenpromises.co.nz
        
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        January 19, 2020 10:18am
      - JackRabbit
        
        If Labour sense they may lose, they will employ dirty tricks to win. If they get in again, we may not have an election in 2023.
        
        Maybe you don’t remember the dancing cossacks that helped National get a landslide.
        
        https://nzhistory.govt.nz/media/video/dancing-cossacks
        
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        January 19, 2020 10:22am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        I remember the Dancing Cossacks only too well JackRabbitt; 1975, if I’m not mistaken. The National adverts also featured cartoon Polynesians being evicted by cartoon police in dawn raids. With the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, it was not National’s finest hour, despite Muldoon winning the election conclusively.
        
        Colville’s final paragraph above mirrors my thoughts. National needs to beat Labour in a contest of ideas, not personalities.
        
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        January 19, 2020 10:29am
      - JackRabbit
        
        @Tony Stuart
        
        In principle I absolutely agree, however if Labour stoop real low, certain National Party planners may kick themselves for not having some selected pieces ready just in case.
        
        The public are being herded by emotion, so they are not all going to change on the basis of logic.
        It just pays to have a range of options up their sleeve in case they find themselves turning up to a gunfight with knives, and hoping they never need to use said options.
        
        The broken promises website is a good strategy.
        
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        January 19, 2020 11:28am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      This is very similar to the US. They have had Democratic presidents in the past who are well respected who few would suggest they are communist. John Kennedy would be a prime example. They now have many in the Democratic primaries who are communists.
      
      The same applies here. I do not think many would suggest Kirk or Lange were communist. While many do not like Clark she would not have been considered a communist while PM.
      
      There should be no doubt Ardern is a communist. It is not just the video but that highlights the fact that she is.
      
      The reason she is not proposing to tax the rich much more is that she knows she cannot get away with it now.
      
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      January 19, 2020 12:48pm
- otago-man
  
  I couldn’t agree more Projectman brainwashing the youth is the tool of the communist—look at history and learn from it!
  
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  January 19, 2020 8:50am
MCos

The US Space Force is to have a camouflage uniform.

Well, that’s one crazy idea you #nevertrumpster people can never pin on the President
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January 19, 2020 8:48am
- chaos
  
  And it’s crazy because why? Those who are in the space fleet will still be on earth working on space projects on earth where camo is widely used by military. These are an earth uniform, not a space uniform.
  
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  January 19, 2020 9:24am
  - MCos
    
    So they should be camouflaged to blend in with a row of desks and monitors, not the Vietnamese hinterland.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51160547
    
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    January 19, 2020 10:25am
    - chaos
      
      Really, should they? So then why aren’t you whining about the kiwi soldiers that sit behind desks in camo. But if you think all these people who pen assigned to it will do is sit behind a desk then it shows you really have no idea what the space force is set up to do. You sure to whine a lot about stupid things don’t you
      
      Here is one of their jobs which will see them dispatched to hostile areas on earth
      
      * Deter aggression in, from, and to space*
      
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      January 19, 2020 10:35am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da340lpfH0o
Remainers And Socialists HUGELY Split Labour Leadership Election. I hope Rebecca Wrong Daily wins.
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January 19, 2020 8:54am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUtOilLL248
Teacher’s pet evacuated from theatre. It’s those pesky yellow vests again.
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January 19, 2020 8:55am
Yvette

“Teach the children well”

Table 9: New land planted in production forest in New Zealand
in thousands (000) of hectares –
1990, 16; 1991, 15; 1992, 50; 1993, 62; 1994, 98; 1995, 74; 1996, 84; 1997, 64; 1998, 51 and 1999, 40 [1]

That is 554,000 hectares which, at roughly 1,000 trees per hectare, is 554 million trees or just over half a billion trees, from the 1900s, maturing and ready for harvesting.

This is acknowledged in a Shane Jones Cabinet Paper, being referred to as “… the large number of trees that were planted in the 1990s and are coming up for harvest over coming years” [2]

The question here is, If the Government is serious about carbon sequestration by mature trees, why is harvesting this “surge in tree maturity” not delayed a few years, for that extra carbon absorption, while Forestry still harvests the “normal” crop?

Earlier New Zealand forestry history – pre-climate change 1990s plantings – has bequeathed a large margin of trees that could extend the spirit of the One Billion Trees Programme.
Perhaps an exercise for “woke” school children could be to monitor Government actions.

Despite the decline, or banning, in schools of religious teaching periods, consider Matthew 7:16, “By their fruits you will know them” – although we are just mentioning the trees – still applies.

[1] http://www.mpi.govt.nz/dmsdocument/28464-nefd-2017-online-tables-xlsx – Table 9
[2] https://www.teururakau.govt.nz/dmsdocument/30942-the-one-billion-trees-programme-cabinet-paper A graph, Figure 2: New land planted in production forest in New Zealand, is on page 7 of the linked Cabinet Paper and shows this “bulge” in maturing trees.
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January 19, 2020 8:56am
- JackRabbit
  
  After maturity, the carbon sequestration process reverses and trees put out increased levels of methane and CO2. If the tree is not growing it is dying.
  
  Is there a standard by which we can define when trees at at maximum maturity? Do they have CO2, O2, or methane sensors to sample the air and determine when trees should be cut down?
  
  Perhaps Maggy Wassilieff could shed some light on this.
  
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  January 19, 2020 9:54am
  - otago-man
    
    The only way a tree sequests CO2 permanently is to upon maturity, cut them down and bury them deeply so they do not rot. Any utilization and the logs carbon will eventually end up back in the atmosphere, it may take a long time , but it will happen, pallets and boxing timber break and rot and are discarded or burnt, houses get demolished etc ect.
    
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    January 19, 2020 10:27am
    - JackRabbit
      
      >”The only way a tree sequests CO2 permanently is to upon maturity, cut them down…”
      
      Agreed.
      
      >”…Any utilization and the logs carbon will eventually end up back in the atmosphere…”
      
      Where it can be absorbed by new plants and trees, and plankton to create O2.
      
      >”… it may take a long time , but it will happen, pallets and boxing timber break and rot and are discarded or burnt, houses get demolished.”
      
      So delaying and stretching out the carbon cycle, rather than immediately going to CO2.
      
      >”..cut them down and bury them deeply so they do not rot.”
      
      Are you hoping to prepare coal and fossil fuel for the next caveman civilisation that evolves after mankind destroys this one in a nuclear winter?
      
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      January 19, 2020 11:54am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Is there a standard by which we can define when trees at at maximum maturity?</i.
    
    Depends what you are measuring and which species.
    
    Some large old growth trees don't appear to stop assimilating Carbon.
    
    https://www.nature.com/articles/nature12914
    
    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?
    id=10.1371/journal.pone.0181187
    
    https://academic.oup.com/forestry/article/85/1/79/644814
    
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    January 19, 2020 12:02pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      Thank you Maggy.
      
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      January 19, 2020 12:09pm
- JackRabbit
  
  Clearly the IT crowd at MPI don’t understand good security.
  
  All externally linked documents should be in PDF. Never office documents, as it is too much of a security risk, both to the receiver if there is an infection, and to the sender if personal info is given out. Save the first link, right click properties and you can see the names of people who worked on the spreadsheet.
  
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  January 19, 2020 9:59am
cmm

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/118799881/climate-change-our-kids-need-to-be-empowered-to-take-action

So it looks like it is time for getting credits for attending demonstrations and smashing capitalism.

When we keep pushing the “there’s no future” line, do we wonder why people top themselves?

I seem to remember similar when I was a kid, except we had the doom and gloom of WW3 and a nuclear winter hanging over our heads. At least it was only occasional and didn’t get thrust down our throats 24/7.
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January 19, 2020 9:00am
- MCos
  
  When I was young and the Cold War was in full swing there was no social media, no radio for young people, very little TV. Most people got their news from daily newspapers, which was mostly domestic, sport & racing and a couple of international pages.
  Down in Timaru we didn’t really live in the shadow of the bomb.
  More scared of the Protestants!
  
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  January 19, 2020 9:36am
- Chuck Bird
  
  “At least it was only occasional and didn’t get thrust down our throats 24/7.”
  
  Where were you living at the time?
  
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  January 19, 2020 9:39am
  - Ruahine
    
    What I remember from the media was that there was always a lot of ‘footage’ from Britain’s CND that the Soviet Union’s nuclear weapons where all perfectly safe and that only the US nuclear weapons were the ones that would annihilate us.. I was very relieved by this piece of good news.
    
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    January 19, 2020 10:58am
- JackRabbit
  
  “At least it was only occasional and didn’t get thrust down our throats 24/7.”
  
  Had the internet existed back then, it probably would have.
  
  Summer holidays were good back then. No newspaper, no phone, no TV, didn’t listen to radio.
  
  Young people walking around today constantly plugged in with earphones and AirPods, is a stark reminder of Dr Who and the Cybermen. Young people being brainwashed though constant media input through their ears and eyes. The dawn of the Borg.
  
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  January 19, 2020 9:42am
- SGA
  
  At least it was only occasional and didn’t get thrust down our throats 24/7.
  
  Americans of a certain vintage will tell you about the nuclear attack drills that they had at school (much like earthquake and fire drills, now).
  
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  January 19, 2020 9:49am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Come to think of it, I now remember we were taught about nuclear war, and the aftermath of a nuclear war. At school we were taught how to build make shifts shelters to protect ourselves.
    
    We spent time at the local forest bordering a riverbed, and had to build a fallout shelter from tree branches, corrugated iron and anything else we could find.
    
    The only tools we were given were a spade and shovels and we had to do it with a set time. We were told that if a nuclear war broke out we would have less than a hour or so before the nuclear fallout would reach NZ.
    
    We basically had to dig a very deep hole in the vicinity of a river (for drinking water) and securely cover it and make it airtight.
    
    And yes we had the air raid drills. Our teacher was an ex RNZAF pilot who flew in the 2nd world war.
    
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    January 19, 2020 10:14am
- Monique Watson
  
  I expect Years 7 to 10 to call bullshit on the Climate Change material.
  Unless they’re anorexic vegetarians, most will know a bacon sandwich beats a histrionic teacher any day.
  
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  January 19, 2020 11:08am
rouppe

Mark Reason
comments on the racist abuser of Jofra Archer.

Turns out he is a New Zealander of Indian descent. That information is only in passing, and takes up no further part of the opinion piece.

What’s the likelihood, if the abuser was white, that they’re would be inches devoted to “white supremacists”, “far right racists”, and a mention that this is why gun reform was enacted under urgency.

Getting bloody sick of how non white offenders are given light criticism compared to white offenders. Racism is racism, and is as ugly no matter the colour of the offender.
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January 19, 2020 9:00am
- cmm
  
  But whites should know better…
  
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  January 19, 2020 9:16am
- MCos
  
  Well, the guy wasn’t white so you don’t know what what Mark Reason would have said and Mark Reason is anything, but predictable.
  I remember sitting in the R A Vance Stand when NZ played India years ago and someone up the back was yelling out a string of abuse about the “curry munchers”.
  Nothing happened.
  Nothing would have happened to this latest wanker either if the Archer hadn’t kicked up a fuss.
  
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  January 19, 2020 10:08am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Global Warming.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/human-body-temperature-getting-cooler-study-finds-180974006/?no-cache%2F%3Futm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=socialmedia&fbclid=IwAR1hUBoM7uJnBxGI9x22SNjxC__kyPwgNnJw-saYi8KDB01RnLMb8_Ftw6Q
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January 19, 2020 9:32am
Fletch

It seems the original Wiggles got back together to do a concert for bushfire relief and the yellow one had a heart attack while onstage and was saved by a nurse in the audience called Grace Jones. I know it is no laughing matter and I wish him well but I can’t help but find it slightly amusing? It just appeals to my weird sense of humour.. ?

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/entertainment/2020/01/the-show-must-go-on-wiggles-hit-the-stage-without-greg-page.html
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January 19, 2020 9:36am
tedbear

Apologies to Maggie, fed up to the back teeth with it all.

Weather and Climate lesson for today.
Rule 1: Weather cannot be changed by man according to Meteorologists Science.
The only exception to that is from cloud seeding. If there are clouds above, man can make rain.

Rule 2: Unlike the chicken and egg theory, you cannot have Climate before you have Weather.

Rule 3. Climate is averages of the contents that produce Weather over time, say 30 years.

Rule 4: If the Climate in 2050 is considerably different to that in 2020, refer to Rule 1.

The Science is Settled.
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January 19, 2020 9:46am
Maggie Pie

My partners mum came over for dinner last night. She was telling us one the ‘older ladies’ at the Retirement Village maintains she’s a distant relative of the Royal Family.
From what she’s heard, this whole ‘Harry and Meghan’ saga is nothing more than a ruse… a smokescreen, a concerted attempt to deflect attention away from poor old Uncle Andy, as more and more disturbing revelations emerge about his association with the now deceased pedo, Jeffery Epstein.
Apparently, in coming months we can expect to see such sensational headlines appearing as: “Doria Markle insists everyone call her Ma’am”, “Meghan’s father Thomas Markle abducted by aliens outside Taco Bell’, “The real truth about Camilla & James Hewitt”, “Diana & Dodi spotted living in New Guinea Highlands”, “Harry prepares for secret Hair Transplant at Harere Clinic”, “Prince Philip caught out having affair with 20 year old Chamber Maid”

Things can only get a lot more interesting from here methinks.
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January 19, 2020 9:53am
chaos

Maybe the nz govt should buy a ticket

* Mexican President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador has announced the latest in a series of desperate ideas to sell off his predecessor’s official jet, which he says is too luxurious for a country where half the people live in poverty.

Lopez Obrador said he is considering raffling off the plane by selling six million raffle tickets at US$25 apiece.*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/118889323/mexicos-president-hopes-to-raffle-off-presidential-jet
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January 19, 2020 9:56am
- Manolo
  
  AMLO is a bitter man. His government, full of hare-brained ideas, is ineffective and falling apart.
  
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  January 19, 2020 11:09am
- MCos
  
  My understanding is that if an American wins, for example, a plane in a raffle or a car on a TV game show they must pay tax on their winnings before they can collect the prize.
  So if some panelbeater in Butte, Montana wins the plane he has to sell the bloody thing, which nobody wants.
  
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  January 19, 2020 11:31am
  - chaos
    
    Jezz do you ever stop going on about the USA and turning articles that have nothing to do with it into your negative whine about the USA.
    
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    January 19, 2020 12:26pm
DigNap15

Over on another blog some are talking about this.
What would happen if National gifted the New Conservatives a seat.
And both Act and the New Conservatives got say 2 or 3% of the party vote.
They would then have 3 seats each.
Would these six seats plus whatever National gets be enough to guarantee a National Victory?
I need to some experts to tell me.
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January 19, 2020 9:59am
- greybeard
  
  That would be a nice result, but I fear that ACT and New Conservatives might gain their share at the expense of National.
  Party Vote National is safest.
  
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  January 19, 2020 11:01am
- rockape
  
  Not if that 2 0r 3% came from National. What we need is to see NZ First and greens drop from the current 17 seats they provided for the left.
  
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  January 19, 2020 11:03am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Correct. The equation is simple; if you want to change the government, party vote National, even if that means putting a clothespeg on your nose when you go into the polling booth.
    
    Only the Left benefits if the centre/right vote splits. All those who voted NZF last time because Peters was going to “keep National honest” need to admit the error of their ways and vote for National.
    
    Let’s aim for the double; a National/Act government, and the demise of Peters.
    
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    January 19, 2020 12:12pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      ☑️☑️Rout2020☑️☑️
      
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      January 19, 2020 5:36pm
- Steve Todd
  
  For goodness sake, DigNap, did you not read my reply to you on Sunday, the 5th? See https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2020/01/hooton_on_how_bridges_can_win.html, then scroll down (to near the bottom) to my 8:23PM reply to your 5:50PM comment. My answer to your question even gave an example whereby National would have formed the government!! Sheesh!
  
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  January 19, 2020 11:21am
  - DigNap15
    
    I was just asking.
    And they do in Epsom
    If national came out and said that we are not standing here so please vote for the NC candidate as that will help us win the election.
    
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    January 19, 2020 12:08pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Hi Steve
    I know you are trying to help me, and that you are probably more up on it than me
    But I just re-read you post on Sunday the 5th.
    And it seems about as clear as the Duckworth-Lewis system.
    
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    January 19, 2020 12:09pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      DigNap15: Yes, I am trying to help.
      
      There are only 120 seats to go around. Therefore, if ACT and the New Conservatives are awarded a total of six seats, based on 2.5% of the Party vote (and one electorate seat) each, then, obviously, other qualifying parties will each have received a lower percentage of the Party vote (and therefore fewer seats) than they otherwise would have. It’s all perfectly straightforward.
      
      I’ll leave it that, Diggers. The rest is up to you.
      
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      January 19, 2020 12:39pm
- Sydney Alvarado
  
  How do you “gift” a seat? Is a majority of voters in an electorate really going to vote for a New Conservative candidate?
  
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  January 19, 2020 11:32am
  - DigNap15
    
    I was just asking.
    And they do in Epsom
    If national came out and said that we are not standing here so please vote for the NC candidate as that will help us win the election.
    
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    January 19, 2020 12:03pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    Simon Bridges would give National supporters in the chosen electorate a “nod and a wink”, and they would then vote accordingly.
    
    But, as I pointed out to Chuck Bird (again, at “Hooten” on the 5th), there is no way National will “gift a precious electorate seat to an untried, untested, conservative vehicle, whose candidates are all no-names.” Chuck begged to differ, saying senior National MPs had told him it is being considered. Ha! Time will tell.
    
    Even so, National would only do such a thing if it was very clear that the New Conservatives would bring in at least a second seat. I say they’ll be lucky to get 10,000 votes – about 0.35% – thereby only just avoiding an overhang.
    
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    January 19, 2020 12:03pm
  - DigNap15
    
    beacsue if National chose a safe National seat and gifted it to the New Conservatives and told them to please vote for them.
    There is no way hard core National voters are going to vote for Labour or the Greens. So they would vote for NC.
    Not only that National voters are clever enough to understand how things work.
    
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    January 19, 2020 9:41pm
chaos

So she has her son holding a protest sign, hmmm, would the son even know about them if she wasn’t forcing him into her campaign with her. Looking at the example of what is in the window damn, she is precious, better not let the son go in the internet or even of to school far worse to be seen there

* Lynne Low is so angry with the window displays of a sex shop in Auckland that she passes with her children on the way to school that she has petitioned Parliament for change to advertising rules.

The champion of bondage-free streetscapes is just one of many people who exercise their democratic right to petition MPs.*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/118779760/sex-shop-window-display-campaigner-among-many-hoping-to-be-heard-at-parliament#comments
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January 19, 2020 10:29am
- Tall Man
  
  Wolfgang FFS.
  
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  January 19, 2020 11:50am
adamsmith1922

Here are some earlier comments from Laurence Fox on Woke Celebrities

https://adamsmith.wordpress.com/2019/12/02/new-culture-forum-so-what-youre-saying-is-laurence-fox-woke-culture-and-its-celebrity-hypocrites/
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January 19, 2020 10:31am
- Jules99
  
  Excellent interview – I highly recommend it.
  
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  January 19, 2020 6:28pm
DeepBlue

There’s something odd about the PTPM’s 8 week holiday statement, and now her popping up for light duties at the Chinese New Year event yesterday in election year.

Is this to maximise the last chance to get pregnant with low stress?

Being full term on the election campaign is going to maximise the Madonna vote and sympathy as well as the perfect excuse to not front and answer questions…. Oh to be seen (photo shopped photographs) and not heard (official statements and videos only).

She can’t defend her government’s track record so her Ministers will have to lay in the bed they’ve made, and Cindy steps back to raise her UN credentials and international profile.
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January 19, 2020 10:37am
- Ruahine
  
  She has probably been told to attend the Chinese New Year festivities by the National Party’s CCP spy Jian Yang. This is to make up for all the anti-chinese bad mouthing over the years by Twyford and her bestie Winston Peters.
  
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  January 19, 2020 11:05am
- Sydney Alvarado
  
  Attacking the Prime Minister personally and calling her part time would be a very stupid tactic for National to adopt.
  
  Her holiday started a few days before Christmas and she will resume work this week. Her summer break is exactly the same as every PM that I can recall over the last 20 years. Give it a rest.
  
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  January 19, 2020 1:54pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    Well, blow me down! Unbelievable!!
    
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    January 19, 2020 4:52pm
- MrTips
  
  Don’t think Cindy was in Australia doing nothing. She will have been shoring up their best voters – the non-resident Kiwi specials, who are fed the delusional Aussie media agitprop, but don’t have to live with consequences.
  
  And there is a ton of them.
  
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  January 19, 2020 5:35pm
Manolo

DPF will be over the moon!
https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/goldman-sachs-client-survey-87-percent-expect-trump-win-election-2020-1-1028825739
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January 19, 2020 11:00am
rockape

How to defeat socialism and particularly lefty /green /Vegans. Spread this around. 4. LCD screens and displaysTV screens may not be vegan + 9 more things you thought were vegan that aren’t!
Liquid crystals found in screens on TVs, computers and cell phones may be based on cholesterol taken from animals.
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January 19, 2020 11:16am
- JackRabbit
  
  A completely vegan meal: drinking water from a stream with a bamboo shoot.
  
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  January 19, 2020 12:20pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    How many rotifers, protozoans, nematodes, hydroids, etc would they consume in a mouthful of stream water?
    
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    January 19, 2020 1:54pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Who cares, so long as they keep it to themselves.
      
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      January 19, 2020 2:40pm
Sydney Alvarado

This did not get much coverage. It is a big debt increase.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/118867159/kinga-ora-borrows-up-big-increases-debt-ceiling

“The notice said that Housing New Zealand could increase its debt “including up to $7100 million from sources other than the New Zealand Treasury”.
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January 19, 2020 11:28am
- JimBobJoe
  
  The old ‘Off Balance Sheet Debt’ funding trick. This often ends badly and any credit rating agency and lender will have an expectant it is core Government debt when the assess things.
  
  The Left is always Borrow and Spend…. any electors of the young persuasion, who have never had substantial debt to pay off over long time periods, don’t realise how onerous the interest burden can get when you borrow too much and income doesn’t keep rising…
  
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  January 19, 2020 1:07pm
  - Batman
    
    It’s not new, it was a feature of Robertson’s first budget, allowing HNZ and Co to borrow off the main balance sheets.
    
    It’s why they dumped their initial plan of making HNZ a ministry again, because that would have forced the debt back onto the main accounts and ruined their faux surpluses!
    
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    January 19, 2020 1:36pm
    - chaos
      
      Which previous governments have done this?
      
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      January 19, 2020 2:28pm
- Piniwi
  
  Interesting SV to see it shown as $7100 million when the headlines of other “news” providers was more correctly quoted as $7.1 billion. A substantial increase from the earlier $2.5 billion posing the obvious question of how much will be enough?
  
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  January 19, 2020 2:28pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The Greens want even more borrowing for Public Housing
  
  https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2020/01/17/989858/borrow-build-hold
  
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  January 19, 2020 4:37pm
  - sooty
    
    With Twyford they will need it!
    
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    January 19, 2020 10:11pm
JackRabbit

Harry and Meghan separation from Royalty formal:
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/harry-meghan-drop-royal-highness-titles

The more negative version from the Horald:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12301566
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January 19, 2020 12:18pm
Northshore

DeepBlue: your sexist and misleading comments about Ardern are reprehensible and counterproductive (and that’s as mild as I can make my criticism).
Let me address the “fake news” first. She is not on 8 weeks holiday. The 8 weeks many critcs harp on about is the time span between parliamentary sessions. She is having a holiday and is perfectly entitled to do so. The second is the (Simon Bridges inspired unfortunately) jibe that she is a PTPM. Anyone in politics at her level takes on a 24/7 commitment to the job. As for comments about pregnancy… I am lost for words to express my dismay.

Did you take cognizance of the above comments from Colville and Tony Stuart? They are worth repeating:

“If National goes down the path of Ardern vs Bridges on a personality basis National will get utterly flogged.”

“National needs to be clean and focussed, all about policy and delivery.”

If the National Party contest the election on the level you are promoting, the election will be lost. Guaranteed!
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January 19, 2020 1:27pm
- Tall Man
  
  As one who has been against ardern from day 1, “of course I knew we had the numbers” plus “aspirational promises” that are really lies, there has to be a high level of “gloves off” campaigning by National.
  
  That does not mean a head to head presidential style campaign but ardern has to be held to account for her non stop lying or there will be just a repetition of the same empty lies for 2020… “this time we’ll do it”…
  
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  January 19, 2020 2:22pm
  - DeepBlue
    
    2019 has been National’s year to write policy to counter Ardern’s year of delivery. About 3 % of NZFirst voters need to go back to National. Everyone who is interested pretty much already know what National policy is, but it will be the clever soundbite that has the others take notice. It is the slogan that Jacinda does well, which can be reported, retweeted, remembered.
    
    (Although ‘Strike Force Raptor’ isn’t even close to hitting the mark)
    
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    January 19, 2020 4:55pm
- Nickc2
  
  [Mod – in general politician’s family stiff is off KB limits. Ref DPF]
  
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  January 19, 2020 2:51pm
- MrTips
  
  Oh grow up. She can handle it.
  
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  January 19, 2020 5:33pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Isn’t it obligatory that a PM have more personality than Mr Ed, fewer teeth and the competency to head the Executive?
  
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  January 19, 2020 5:42pm
Ruahine

Why is there so little about this in the MSM? Usually nothing on the BBC even though France is only 22 kilometres away. Very strange.
https://www.rt.com/news/478613-yellow-vests-clashes-paris/
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January 19, 2020 1:50pm
- chaos
  
  Well reported by msm
  
  https://www.google.com/search?q=Yellow+Vests&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjA34GTv47nAhUPeisKHdYOB1kQ_AUoAnoECA4QBA&biw=1112&bih=722&dpr=2
  
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  January 19, 2020 2:18pm
  - Tall Man
    
    I think he meant in NZ.
    
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    January 19, 2020 7:45pm
    - chaos
      
      Does it matter if nz media report it or not, really not of interest to most who would rather see Ardern….. but in the days of the internet it’s report online and people see it
      
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      January 19, 2020 8:39pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The movie that could not get made today:
https://pjmedia.com/trending/blazing-saddles-at-45-the-movie-that-couldnt-get-made-today/?fbclid=IwAR0BXpEkH_lvVAKS4pQq8LWN_xdGV8denY01Sde5DqQfcisl5aC3rONMI0s
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January 19, 2020 2:37pm
Happychappy

Jacinda gets a nice message from a Sothland Farmer telling her where to go.” Comrade Ardern fuck off back to Russia ” is mowen I to his paddock and clearly visible from the air.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=1230161
How long will it take before the Government sends out the Police and will he be called a White Supremacist.
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January 19, 2020 3:46pm
- Inandout
  
  Bahhhh, gone.
  
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  January 19, 2020 4:02pm
- Happychappy
  
  Here is the link to my previous post on Southland farmers message.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12301614
  
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  January 19, 2020 4:07pm
- sam green
  
  Pity he couldn’t spell.
  
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  January 19, 2020 4:24pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    There is another dickhead in here beside Sam, and those who call me a dickhead.
    You are not important sam – no caps for given name and surname
    
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    January 19, 2020 4:42pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Yeah, not as important as you, for sure.
      
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      January 19, 2020 5:32pm
    - sam green
      
      Yep – I think you’re important Steve Otto (north shore). Sorry (North Shore). You must be. I wouldn’t call you a dickhead either – I’ve never seen your head.
      
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      January 19, 2020 7:08pm
    - RichardX
      
      Steve appears to be easily triggered
      
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      January 20, 2020 12:16am
- Martin Williams
  
  Given the energy with which he has mown, it’s likely that as a RWNJ with a gun he will use it at some point.
  
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  January 19, 2020 7:36pm
nasska

…..”Pity he couldn’t spell.”…..

Proudly educated in NZ by unionist teachers.
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January 19, 2020 4:45pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Are you claiming that only the poorly educated are protesting against Ardern?
  
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  January 19, 2020 5:34pm
  - nasska
    
    And risk upsetting the New Zealand Teachers & Meatworkers IUOW?
    
    Never! 🙂
    
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    January 19, 2020 6:32pm
  - chaos
    
    Are you and stephie protesting against Ardern?
    
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    January 19, 2020 7:38pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/118779760/sex-shop-window-display-campaigner-among-many-hoping-to-be-heard-at-parliament#comments

“Sunshine and Wolfgang”.
Jesus.
Another ‘look at me’ mother, complete with kids as message boards and compulsive urges to contact the news media.
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January 19, 2020 5:18pm
MrTips

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/11/why-536-was-worst-year-be-alive

For all the climate doom and gloomers, before you invite us to your barbed-wire-tie fancy event (complete with paint stripper cocktails), you might wonder and hope that the Filipino volcano and another one don’t go big boom soon.

Cos it’s gonna get f’ing cold if they do.
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January 19, 2020 5:42pm
- Tall Man
  
  Well that can’t be true, all the smartarses said that volcanoes did little and the “science is settled”………
  
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  January 19, 2020 7:38pm
mark15

Wheres Behrouz Bouchani?
Anyone?
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January 19, 2020 6:12pm
- Inandout
  
  mark, the Philippines is one place he won’t be, but maybe Ponsonby.
  
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  January 19, 2020 7:08pm
chaos

Either a liar or an idiot. And why is the rental market right grant, it is because landlords are dumping renting out because of all the shit your government has brought in.

* Tenants around the country are going to extreme lengths to secure a roof over their heads as rental prices hit record highs.

Next month, the average Wellington rental property is on track to hit an all-time high of $640 per week.

..

Some landlords warned the Government they would need to pass on the costs of its rental reforms – which include limiting rent rises to once a year and introducing new healthy homes standards.

Finance Minister Grant Robertson says there is no link between that and rising rent prices.

“The rental market is definitely very tight in a number of cities around New Zealand. We’ve had a housing crisis that this Government is addressing, but it will take time to build the houses that we need,” he said.*

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2020/01/tenants-going-to-extremes-to-find-housing-as-rental-prices-surge.html
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January 19, 2020 7:37pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Looks like the cops don’t have much control over the gangs and their guns in Napier.

Today:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/hawkes-bay/118893314/shots-reportedly-fired-in-napiers-taradale

November 2019
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/video-shows-violent-skirmish-in-napier-park-same-day-gang-shooting

November 2019
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/listen-suspected-mongrel-mob-related-shooting-outside-napier-medical-centre-caught-tape

June / August 2019
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/napier-courtroom-evacuated-mongrel-mob-member-swings-officer-upon-sentencing
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January 19, 2020 8:38pm
- mark15
  
  Funny that,you would think the MP had it under control or something…
  
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  January 19, 2020 8:44pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Or even the Minister of Police….
    
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    January 19, 2020 9:15pm
    - sooty
      
      Too close to Palmerston North, maybe?
      
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      January 19, 2020 10:07pm
- cmm
  
  But the MM promised they would hand in all their guns and start helping grannies cross the road.
  
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