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Jack5

Tomorrow is a big day in the computer world. It’s the last day of support for Windows 7, still working on about 200 million computers around the world. Free security updates will end tomorrow (American time).

The tech web news site, ZD Net, reckons that Windows 7 marked the high point of the personal computer era, as smart phones and tablets now do more work that once needed PCs.

ZD Net says PC sales have fallen for the last seven years though there was a small increase last year, largely because businesses needed to buy new PCs to run Windows 10.

Perhaps some Geeks on Kiwiblog can point to ways of still upgrading Windows 7 to Windows 10, for free. Or Linux in its varieties still appeals.

Google says it will support the Chrome browser on Windows 7 until at least July. Microsoft will continue to provide security updates for Windows 7 for up to three years to business users who buy extended security updates for each of their PCs.
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January 14, 2020 8:10am
- kevn
  
  I have an XP Pro machine. Goes perfectly as an off-line tool.
  
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  January 14, 2020 8:23am
  - freethinker
    
    Me too and Windows 7 works well and I need to keep it going as drivers for Win10 are not available. I am so fed up of windows updates causing issues with printers taken off line and messing up e-mails etc that I have found a solution using a Linux machne and installing any windows versions as a file so windows is not visible on internet so no hacks of bots and Linux does not seem to have problems with malicious software. Bye Bye Bill, Oh an added benefit is Libre free software interfaces with Office.
    
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    January 14, 2020 8:45am
    - alloytoo
      
      In many cases the windows 7 drivers will work fine under Windows 10.
      
      I’m still using my rather long in the tooth Laptop I bought in 2008.
      
      It’s had Vista, XP and few varieties of Linux on it, but it performs best with Windows 10.
      
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      January 14, 2020 9:25am
    - greybeard
      
      Yep: Ubuntu with automatic updates, Firefox browser, no antivirus software needed, all good.
      
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      January 14, 2020 9:48am
    - Fletch
      
      Windows updates are the seed of evil, mostly. I stop mine updating (mostly) with this little program.
      
      https://www.sordum.org/9470/windows-update-blocker-v1-5/
      
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      January 14, 2020 10:42am
  - jcuk
    
    me too ‘)
    
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    January 14, 2020 9:05am
  - Cobolt24
    
    I used XP (dualbooting with Ubuntu Linux) until last year on my daily computer. It still went fine browsing the internet. I’ve since bought a second hand PC with 7 and surprisingly the upgrade to 10 assistant tool worked.
    
    In terms of design I still think 7 is the best of all Windows versions.
    
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    January 14, 2020 10:24am
  - Nickc2
    
    I also have an old Lap Top which I use online and am still running Windows XP Pro, no problems whatsoever. It’s the most reliable of my Lap Tops!
    
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    January 14, 2020 12:21pm
- Simon
  
  Just terrible.
  
  Climate change is even hurting the PC / software industries. When are we going to learn.
  
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  January 14, 2020 8:25am
- Sydney Alvarado
  
  I have two laptops. One running 7 professional and one 10. I prefer the 7. For everything I do it is seems more straight forward.
  
  As Boeing found out with the 737 new is not always better. ?
  
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  January 14, 2020 8:26am
  - kevn
    
    @Sydney… Put the Win 10 onto ‘classic shell’ set-up and you will be happier.
    
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    January 14, 2020 9:04am
- marcw
  
  If you have a genuine Win 7 license, then using the Windows Media Creator to make a USB upgrade device still gave me a free upgrade about 6 months ago. Just skip the point of entering the Product ID during the process, then magically you find the new version is OS is installed and authenticated when finished.
  
  I can’t vouch for Win 7 Pro though – someone else can maybe help.
  
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  January 14, 2020 8:28am
  - alloytoo
    
    Still appears valid.
    
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2020/01/12/how-to-upgrade-to-windows-10-for-free-in-2020/#1ad06b7726c8
    
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    January 14, 2020 9:22am
- Stuart
  
  News websites have heralded the end of desktop PC’s for the last 15 years. I still haven’t seen someone able to perform significant work on a tablet or smartphone alone (outside of marketing videos). They are useful tools, but they are not a replacement.
  
  I would put falling sales down to a reduced need to replace, previously change occurred so much faster and computers did not last as long.
  
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  January 14, 2020 8:34am
  - cmm
    
    It depends on whether you count laptops as desktop PCs.
    
    These days laptops can do almost everything desktops can do unless you need a hell of a lot of grunt.
    
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    January 14, 2020 10:07am
    - Two fish and a scoop thanks Cindy
      
      HP ZBook – FTW
      
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      January 14, 2020 11:27am
      - pdm
        
        Gave you an uptick for the nom de plume.
        
        Clever.
        
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        January 14, 2020 6:18pm
  - Cobolt24
    
    My old computer lasted me around 12 years until I changed it out last year for a second hand PC. A friend of mine was still using his he bought in 2003! I gave him a laptop (set up as a desktop) with a broken screen I was given which has a Core 2 Duo placing it around 2008/09 with a Linux distribution. He only ever uses it for news, emails and Trademe so it’ll last him.
    
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    January 14, 2020 10:29am
- tedbear
  
  I’m truly amazed how many people tick the box to allow so called ‘important updates’ to be automatically installed. Totally unnecessary, 7 works fine without any updates. Prior to 7, I’ve been perfectly happy with using XP with SP2 without any updates all the way until Flash stopping working.
  TBH I’ve never been a fan of Chrome browser (I have Firefox) but I imagine there are plenty of others that will support 7 for years to come.
  As far as free upgrades are concerned, youtube lists several but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5ou4zbQ6mo looks the best.
  I have 7 and 10 but much prefer 7.
  
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  January 14, 2020 8:50am
- rangitoto
  
  Does that mean I need to upgrade from Windows 95 as well?
  
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  January 14, 2020 9:03am
  - kevn
    
    @rangi…. Don’t laugh, lots of medical equipment are still running Win 95.
    
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    January 14, 2020 9:33am
    - info@cruzpro.com
      
      We still use DOS6 on our test computers! Boots almost instantly and no virus worries.
      
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      January 14, 2020 10:25am
    - Fletch
      
      A 1980s Commodore Amiga had been running the heat and A/C for 19 schools in the US for 30 years..
      
      https://www.geek.com/geek-cetera/commodore-amiga-computer-has-been-running-the-acheat-in-19-schools-for-30-years-1625147/
      
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      January 14, 2020 2:00pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Win 7, my preferred windows. I have it running in a virtual machine in this, 11 year old HP, laptop in Linux MX-19. I can use the two together.
  
  Win 7 was tightly coded and was the best of the line. Win 10 is going the way of earlier versions–too MS centred and continuing extensions becoming more intrusive and clumsier. A client’s printer was taken out the other day by a regular unannounced W10 upgrade and Windows OneNote substituted. A lot of software falls into that trap of constant “improvements” until it becomes impossible to maintain the software monster created.
  
  The W10 free upgrade path has been withdrawn. I will not be surprised if the next time I try to install Win 7 I need a few more tricks or it is even impossible. I am prepared to dispense with it.
  There is enormous waste for users with continuing upgrades. However new hardware like, say, a home management system controller, may force an upgrade. Faster for games is useful but not for email. This old machine is ready to use in 20-30 secs, has wifi, 4Gb ram and 320 hdd. It has a 1Tb drive attached. There is no reason why it should meet the trashcan. Win 7 runs fast on it. The present Linux version even faster. The apps are free including a version of Office which can swap files with MS. It is possible to get a computer refreshed like new for most purposes where extreme speed is not needed. Sometime old failed parts cannot be replaced but many PC’s can go on indefinitely. The Windows upgrades interfere with freedom.
  
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  January 14, 2020 9:20am
  - marcw
    
    It’s certainly not possible to install WinXP, and this has been for several years. I found this out when someone who hadn’t upgraded to XPSP2 suddenly found they needed that to run some of their software. It wasn’t possible to do the upgrade as the MS servers required no longer existed online.
    
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    January 14, 2020 9:32am
    - Cobolt24
      
      I’ve done the activation even after XP SP3 support finished, by phone. Not sure about that now though.
      
      It’s still possible to install and use but after 30 days they force you to activate it.
      
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      January 14, 2020 10:59am
- Inandout
  
  I have win 7 and am not aware of any patches or updates for ages, as it used to ask to let it download before switching off at night. How can intruders get past the (paid for) anti virus?
  
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  January 14, 2020 10:20am
- cmm
  
  Let me check if I care…. Nope thought not.
  
  I’ve been using Linux for years only use Windows when I absolutely have to…
  
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  January 14, 2020 10:23am
  - Jack5
    
    As a Linux user, are you able to help with this query please, CMM? Or can any other Kiwiblog Linux user help?
    
    Intel is selling i5 processors with the suffix “F”. These don’t have inbuilt graphics.
    
    If you have to download a special Linux graphics card driver to install and run Linux on a PC with a graphics card, what would happen if you wanted to load Linux on say, a machine with an i9400F processor which has no graphics function?
    
    Presumably you couldn’t load the graphics-card Linux driver until the machine was up and running, and you couldn’t get the machine up and running without a graphics driver.
    
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    January 14, 2020 2:16pm
    - rangitoto
      
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      January 15, 2020 12:17am
    - cmm
      
      Jack: Graphic drivers are varied. Some chips have built-in graphics. Some use stand-alone graphics cards (Geoforce etc).
      
      I have been using Linux PCs for over 20 years now. In the beginning there were some graphics driver quirks. Now, very few and I have seen none in the last 10 years or so. Just install Linux as a dual-boot and it all “just works”.
      
      My household has 7 Linux PCs in use (and has churned through at least 15 in the last ten years) and I have not had any graphics drivers with any of them.
      
      Still, if you are worried, download an Ubuntu (or whatever) live CD/USB boot image and you can give it a spin without modifying what is on your hard drive.
      
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      January 15, 2020 6:37am
      - Jack5
        
        Thank you for that advice, CMM. That’s very helpful.
        
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        January 15, 2020 10:48am
- Ruahine
  
  Try this link. I have recently upgraded two machines. Worked perfectly.
  
  https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10
  
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  January 14, 2020 10:47am
Scott

What is the religion of today? Its leftism.
While people still need a cause, still need a reason for living, still need a purpose, leftism tries to supply that purpose. It’s more than a political stance, it’s a religion.

Leftism says everything is political. And you should treat everything as political.

So fires in Australia? All to do with global warming and climate change! Political cause supplied. Purpose of life is to save the planet!

But leftism also needs an enemy. Leftism requires living in constant agitation and anger. Therefore you must be for a cause but you also need enemies. Enter Scott Morrison, a climate change denier! And a right of centre person. And a white male. And a Christian! What a horrible person he must be.

So the newspapers, who are enablers of this leftism, smear him. He went on holiday! He denies climate change! He’s the enemy. Let’s smear and destroy him. To save the world!

Can I just say leftism is a really bad religion. It’s turns a person into an offensive, angry prick basically.

We all need a purpose. Look for God. He’s a better reason for living than any politics, any party, any made up cause.
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January 14, 2020 8:15am
- Sydney Alvarado
  
  I’ll pass on God but I agree with all your other points.
  
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  January 14, 2020 8:27am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    As an atheist myself,
    I see merit in the behavioral “teachings”/ suggestions in the bible and considering our laws are based around this, worthy of following (in general).
    I find the description of history and it’s interpretation, within the bible interesting.
    But I am still an atheist and have no belief in God, however power to those who do genuinely believe in something more powerful than themselves.
    
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    January 14, 2020 8:56am
    - NewInoffensiveName
      
      I grew up an atheist but have lately been contemplating the concept of Man inventing God. Even if there is no God, the very fact that we can conceive of divinity, and infer from that the dignity possible for all people, gives us the moral and ethical imperative to do so. Once one can distinguish between good and evil, it becomes necessary to pursue good.
      
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      January 14, 2020 9:13am
      - fernglas
        
        Divinity is a concept for those who are afraid of infinity.
        
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        January 14, 2020 10:17am
  - Nickc2
    
    Me too!
    
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    January 14, 2020 12:32pm
- Justitia
  
  Yes I agree Scott, the threat to our civil liberties from the Left grows every day. We no longer have a functioning media in this country and children are being increasingly brainwashed with Leftist dogma in our schools. The destruction of Christian teaching is deliberate – the void will be filled with new “values” based on climate change hysteria etc. Dangerous times for rational, thinking people lie ahead.
  
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  January 14, 2020 8:34am
  - Surely Knott
    
    New Climate Change Syllabus.
    I am not happy about the extremist. divisive and alarmist nature of this section aimed to make children feel like they are at risk of serious disease and home significantly more so than adults who they claim are not taking any action. “Children’s Rights & Climate Change – Climate change poses a severe threat to children’s most basic rights, including those related to survival and wellbeing, health, food security and nutrition, water, and access to education. Some of the leading killers of children worldwide are highly sensitive to climate change. Higher temperatures have been linked to increased rates of malnutrition, cholera, diarrhoeal disease and vector-borne diseases like dengue and malaria. Children’s underdeveloped immune systems put them at far greater risk of contracting these diseases and succumbing to their complications. Additionally, the loss of a parent or home due to a climate change induced natural disaster certainly changes a child’s world but it also can jeopardise their development. Furthermore, the role of climate change in exacerbating and compounding drivers of insecurity is likely to lead to more children being at risk of violence, exploitation and abuse, in both conflict and non-conflict settings. Climate change is, at its core, an equity issue. Despite being least responsible for climate change, it is today’s children and future generations that will bear the heaviest burden of our inaction.”
    I am not happy about this section. Which is essentially suggesting the kids to take political action. “Committing to Action – The actions can also include planning towards future and larger scale actions, such as planning a campaign, a website, a group, etc.”
    
    I am not happy about the lack of actual science. Page 2 has a useful diagram. But apart from that it is very very light on any actual science or description of how carbon impacts the atmosphere. Or the numbers associated with
    
    I am not happy that a teacher syllabus has typos in the headings “EDUCATION FOR SUSTAINAILITY”
    
    And I am not happy that their “myths busted” section doesn’t have any scientific references to actually back up their myths busted facts. Considering they claim sceptics are science deniers you would think that these science lovers would have more facts.
    https://nzcurriculum.tki.org.nz/Curriculum-resources/Education-for-sustainability/Tools-and-resources#collapsible1
    
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    January 14, 2020 2:57pm
    - Akarak
      
      Excuse me but how does a child interpret “due to a climate change induced natural disaster”? Isn’t this a bit like having a bob each way?
      
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      January 14, 2020 9:19pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  “Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people”.
  Karl Marx
  and hence lies the contradiction of the current crop (since Marx) of socialists/lefties.
  They have elevated Marx to the status of god (who’s words are to be followed to the letter) and the writing and teaching of Marx eg Das Capital, to biblical status.
  Regardless of the actual damage caused by following said teachings.
  
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  January 14, 2020 8:34am
  - alloytoo
    
    George Orwell identified the core objectives of Socialism/Communism in 1945.
    
    It’s to be the Pig, displacing all prior “Pigs”.
    
    Everything is secondary to that goal. Just ask our PM.
    
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    January 14, 2020 9:29am
- Swifty
  
  ‘….any made up cause.’
  
  All of the thousands of gods throughout human history are made up.
  
  All of them.
  
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  January 14, 2020 8:57am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    there have been something like 100 billion humans through history. Mostly living in small stone-age hunter-gatherer tribes. The number of gods they invented is probably in the 100’s of thousands to millions.
    
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    January 14, 2020 9:08am
    - Swifty
      
      Good point UN.
      
      Scott, like me, doesn’t believe in any of these thousands or millions of gods except one.
      
      If he could only go that one step further…. 🙂
      
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      January 14, 2020 9:31am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      They’re all completely different from Scott’s God…
      
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      January 14, 2020 9:33am
      - Swifty
        
        Yes, that’s what they all say.
        
        My one is different, all the other gods are false, but my one is real. And, what’s more, I know what he thinks.
        
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        January 14, 2020 10:37am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Not according to the voices in my head he, she, it, ain’t bro’. . .
        
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        January 14, 2020 12:43pm
  - Michael
    
    no…….. Swifty..
    One is true.
    Here’s a hint.
    
    Which one’s name is used as a swear word?
    
    There fixed it for you. 😉
    
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    January 14, 2020 1:53pm
    - Swifty
      
      You mean, by Jove?
      
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      January 14, 2020 2:14pm
- hullkiwi
  
  Scott you are correct. Look at what has happened in NZ over the past 12 months.
  
  Post 15th Mar, despite being a pluralist democracy, if you weren’t decrying the mass shooting in Chch you were suddenly a right wing extremist. And worst still NZ harboured right wing extremist groups who were going to attack any recent migrant to NZ. So our self appointed guardians of NewsHub (the person with the face for radio) and RNZ kept telling us.
  To further prove the division the left (with the aid of a limp National party) rammed through Parliament gun laws that far exceeded removing semi-automatic military styles guns. Then in a bid to enforce the new “truth” the arms of the state have potentially taken it upon themselves to:
  1. Smear people with opposing in the media as though show such people are extreme;
  2. Apparently, breach the law in an effort to gather evidence of a potential crime;
  3. Even the DPM, has stated publically that oppoents who done nothing illegal, had been acting illegally and the police report would prove it; and
  4. Anybody debating and offering a different opinion to the orthodoxy that is “climate change” is labelled and smeared as a climate change denier and a right wing nut job.
  
  Such actions by politicians, their supports and state agencies is an abuse and misuse of power and it is not too far from some of the actions of totalitarian states.
  
  The irony for the left to ponder, is that Smith’s Dream (aka Sleeping Dogs) was based on a right wing government using an economic crisis to entrench the power of the state. Strange how if reports are to be believed, how the police are now using the powers and authority of the state in the pursuit of potential “criminality”.
  
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  January 14, 2020 8:59am
  - The King
    
    It’s all lies, the same people crying about NZ’s ides of March have 0 problem with killing millions of Iranian women and children. In fact they are cheering it on.
    
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    January 14, 2020 9:30am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Really? You have evidence?
      
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      January 14, 2020 10:26am
      - Tall Man
        
        Wrestling with a new pig I think, same mud though.
        
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        January 14, 2020 9:05pm
  - Michael
    
    Hull
    
    You are so correct.
    Thank you.
    You have answered the questions in my mind.
    
    2 Ticks Blue is NOT the way to go.
    They have NO fortitide.
    
    Simon has not robustly defended our Basic Rights and Freedoms, from the rooftops.
    Neither has he kept his rank and file in check to do the same.
    
    They cannot be relied upon.
    + there is the Chinese Question, from Mrs Shipley on…..
    
    Thank you once again.
    The penny has dropped. Finally.
    
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    January 14, 2020 1:57pm
- Jack5
  
  Environmentalism looks to me to be the religion that is replacing Christianity in the West.
  
  Its Hell is Global Warming (the religious seem to fear hot punishment), capitalists are the occupying Romans, Greta Thunberg is the mystic child who will save us, her father is a scheming version of Joseph, and the new Jerusalem is oft-freezing Stockholm.
  
  What a bleak new religion.
  
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  January 14, 2020 9:03am
  - MCos
    
    Environmentalists have been around for hundreds of years and are most certainly not anti Christianity.
    For example.
    I refer you to the poem by William Blake, Jerusalem, written more than 200 years ago, which is both religious and environmentalist.
    Done through the centuries it has been developers that have locked horns with environmentalists.
    
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    January 14, 2020 10:19am
- SGA
  
  Enter Scott Morrison…
  
  Is it also possible that Morrison hasn’t dealt very well with the situation? Are the everyday Australians who seem disappointed in him all atheistic communists?
  
  It’s turns a person into an offensive, angry prick basically.
  
  In my experience, there are offensive, angry pricks all over the political spectrum. An uncharitable person might even suggest that such behaviour isn’t unknown on Kiwiblog 🙂
  
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  January 14, 2020 9:29am
  - Michael
    
    SGA
    You are correct of course.
    
    why can’t we all just get along 🙂
    
    Maybe if the Mods banned anyone who directly attacked another for a month, that might help.
    
    Mikenmild, Steffie (ver whatever), Batman etc would be gone in an instant
    
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    January 14, 2020 2:00pm
    - Batman
      
      KB would end up like the stranded.
      
      I’ll take a hard pass on that.
      
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      January 14, 2020 2:03pm
      - Tall Man
        
        I’m with you Batman.
        
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        January 14, 2020 9:03pm
Than

One of the recent causes being advocated for by climate-activists is flight-shaming – attempting to attach stigma so as to discourage people from flying.

But here’s the counter-intuitive fact – flying is often just as fuel-efficient as ground travel.

Let’s take an example; flying from Nelson to Christchurch in an ATR 42 turboprop. The aircraft might typically burn around 440L of fuel for this trip (fuel-use will vary depending on exact flight plan, weather, etc. but this is a realistic number). The aircraft has 48 seats, which airlines try to fill as much as possible. For easy math let’s say 44 passengers (92% occupancy), that’s 10L of fuel per person.

Driving the same trip (using the inland route through the Lewis Pass) is 415 km. Assuming a mid-range sedan (Toyota Corolla or similar) getting around 16 km/l, that would use just under 26 L for the trip. And now it comes down to occupancy. The math is pretty simple – if you only have one or two people in the car (hardly an uncommon situation), it would use less fuel to have flown.

Now that’s just one specific scenario with assumed numbers, but it illustrates the broad strokes of the argument. While they consume lots of fuel in absolute terms, once you divide by the number of passengers they carry (and unlike cars, airlines have a strong incentive to fill planes up as much as possible) and distance traveled, aircraft can often use the same or less fuel to get N people from A to B. This becomes especially true once you consider that a scheduled commercial flight is going to happen regardless of whether or not you use it, and the plane will burn close enough to the same amount of fuel whether there are 44 or 45 people on board. Maximizing vehicle occupancy is the best way to reduce emissions, and that’s true whether the travel is by car, plane, or train.

Like so many other targets of climate-activists, flight-shaming is misguided. The bottom line is, for a given trip you can’t really know whether flying will produce more or less emissions than getting there on the ground. The only sure way to significantly reduce travel emissions is to reduce the distance you travel, and confine yourself to a (literally) smaller world.
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January 14, 2020 8:16am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  And, fuel efficient as your Corolla may be, or as virtuous as your Tesla signals, the bridge across the Tasman is not yet complete making flying a very viable option!
  
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  January 14, 2020 8:36am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Wrong think there, PG.
    
    The elite must fly, but folks like thee and me have no need to travel beyond the confines of our productive vege gardens, ~~2nd-hand Junk shops~~ repurpose centres and wellbeing gulags.
    
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    January 14, 2020 9:28am
    - OTGO
      
      Agreed. Its not the flying. Its why you/they are flying.
      Do you/they really need to fly to a climate change conference https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Climate_Change_conference to virtue signal to the rest of us who in many cases just don’t give a fuck.
      
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      January 14, 2020 11:41am
      - Hard Cheese
        
        If they were really serious about climate change they’d run all the presentations and workshops using teleconferencing instead of jetting hundreds of people all over the world. It’s just an opportunity for everyone in the climate change industry to get a junket to Bonn or Madrid in business class, stay in a nice hotel for a week, eat at some fancy restaurants on the taxpayer, and then tack on another week at the end for a holiday.
        
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        January 14, 2020 1:11pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Free stuff and really really nice amenity kits at the pointy end of the plane and they just love the fact that they’re not paying.
        
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        January 14, 2020 9:02pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  Given these facts and analysis, the reason for the Greens objection to us flying (but not them), may be considered to be control of movement over the population.
  Put like this and in the terms and conditions you show, is it really just a conspiracy theory?
  a. Are they out to control our lives?
  b. Are they stupid?
  c. Only look at the “facts” that suit their preconceived conclusions?
  If Yes….what of the whole “climate change” debate?
  If the science if settled, why are they still debating it?
  
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  January 14, 2020 8:44am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Never under-estimate the diagnostic power of “and”!
    
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    January 14, 2020 9:12am
- rouppe
  
  Great if you want to go between two places that have airports.
  
  Last weekend I went to Waimarama Beach for the Central Regional surf champs. I was taking my son, a bunch of surf gear and food and drink for two days. Some people stayed in the campgrounds, needing large family tents and associated gear. One guy brought (on a trailer) the 10 surf skis, and similar numbers of boards. Another brought the big boat for the row event.
  
  Do that in a plane, I dare you. I double dare you!
  
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  January 14, 2020 9:00am
  - Tall Man
    
    So transport must be fit for purpose?
    
    A multi million dollar super yacht not so fit really.
    
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    January 14, 2020 9:28am
    - sooty
      
      Yes, but it pulls lots of lovely young ladies!
      
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      January 14, 2020 10:31am
  - Than
    
    Sure. And like Paulus Gnome pointed out, I dare you to take your car on a trip to Australia.
    
    I’m not particularly advocating for either driving or flying for travel. They both have their advantages, and my own travels are a mix of flights (sometimes getting a rental car at the destination, sometimes not) and roadtrips.
    
    My point is that the flight-shaming movement is, at best, massively oversimplifying things by demonising flying. As is typical of these things it’s far less rational assessment of what actions will reduce emissions, and more about creating things for activists to virtue-signal about.
    
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    January 14, 2020 9:29am
- KevO'Brien
  
  A simple example demolishes false outrage.
  This is the first time I have seen these arguments presented.
  Thanks.
  
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  January 14, 2020 9:33am
- krazykiwi
  
  Good analysis. I’d add that in this example flying reduces road congestion, road wear, employs ~5FTEs, allows people to be more connected with business, friends, family and its safer.
  
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  January 14, 2020 11:25am
- ronsegal
  
  Misguided .. but then why expect climate activists / alarmist to be clear thinking in their approach to avoiding emissions given their quasi-religious rantings.
  A quick calculation would indicate the inconsequential impact of personal avoidance of emissions, irrespective of the reality of catastrophic AGW. No logic to be seen here.
  
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  January 14, 2020 5:54pm
Andrei

“We must also be far more critical of the climate deniers, checking their expertise and the interests they represent, while recognising it’s highly likely that our views are being manipulated.”

– Dame Anne Salmond

She is right on one thing – our views are being manipulated – by people like her!

For goodness sakes what would an elderly lady whose expertise is in Maori Culture know about the complex issues of thermodymanics and fluid mechanics that are involved in energy transfer around the globe that drive the weather and climate systems that rule our world?

And what qualifies her to comment?
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January 14, 2020 8:20am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yep,
  Folks have been manipulated into believing that Greta tweets on the Climate
  
  http://joannenova.com.au/2020/01/on-facebook-greta-looks-16-but-secretly-identifies-as-two-grown-men/
  
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  January 14, 2020 8:46am
  - Tall Man
    
    A muppet and a puppet…….
    
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    January 14, 2020 9:26am
    - hullkiwi
      
      I wonder if Time Magazine are now feeling a little stupid about their 2019 Person of the Year?
      
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      January 14, 2020 12:04pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Greta with a beard. Two faced?
    
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    January 14, 2020 9:34am
  - sam green
    
    Greta Thunberg states this on her Facebook page – I would have thought that you would go directly to the source Maggy rather than relying on the manipulations of 4chan.
    
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    January 14, 2020 1:59pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I know nothing about 4chan… that seems to be something stephieboy references.
      Take your smears elsewhere.
      
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      January 14, 2020 3:15pm
      - sam green
        
        Forgive me – it is Jo Nova referencing 4chan and you referencing Jo Nova – soz.
        
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        January 14, 2020 3:25pm
      - sam green
        
        Please read for meaning before you accuse a person of “smearing”.
        
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        January 15, 2020 1:19am
  - Stephieboy2
    
    MW and coy, please take due notice this is her explanation ,
    
    Greta Thunberg
    
    January 12 at 7:36 AM ·
    
    Some people have been asking who manages this page. First of all, since last spring I only use Facebook to repost what I write on my Twitter and Instagram accounts.
    
    Since I have chosen not to be on Facebook personally ( I tried early on but decided it wasn’t for me) I use my father Svantes account to repost content, because you need an account to moderate a Facebook page. The rest that is shared on Facebook is reposted from Twitter and Instagram by the guy who founded the Greta Thunberg Facebook page long before I knew it existed. His name is Adarsh Prathap and he lives in India. Since a lot of people thought it was my official page in the beginning I asked if I could co-manage it and he said yes.
    
    All texts posted on my Facebook page has of course been written by me, just like everything else.
    
    https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?id=732846497083173&story_fbid=1031956330505520
    
    Another ugly and nasty snear fixed for all of you !
    
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    January 14, 2020 2:59pm
  - andydownhere
    
    And one of them is from India. Please remind me of what India is doing for climate change. Building more coal fired plants, breeding….
    Greta you need to knock India not Australia
    
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    January 14, 2020 6:45pm
- calendar girl
  
  Dame Anne Salmond is free to comment on anything she chooses, as we are all entitled to do.
  
  The real question is: What technical knowledge or demonstrable expertise does she have in respect of the subject on which she is commenting? If it is no greater than that of any other person in the street, we are entitled to regard her relevant views on as being of no greater account than yours or mine.
  
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  January 14, 2020 8:48am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Give a man a fish, feed him for a day, teach him to fish, feed him for life.
    To bastardize
    Give a man an argument, discussion lasts a day
    Give the same man a pulpit to preach from and everyone has to listen to their drivel.
    
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    January 14, 2020 9:03am
  - Andrei
    
    Of course she is free comment to Calender girl.
    
    But when she suggests, as she does in the quote, that we check the “expertise” of “climate deniers”, whatever that means, we should also apply the same scrutiny to others who may care comment including herself
    
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    January 14, 2020 9:12am
    - krazykiwi
      
      I saw this exchange recently:
      
      “Are you a climate change denier?”
      
      “I can’t answer that. You’ve asked an ill-defined question which requires a binary answer. If you can describe what you mean by the terms ‘climate change’, and ‘climate change denier’ then I’ll be able give you an accurate answer.
      
      Quite good, I thought. There was no elaboration on those terms.
      
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      January 14, 2020 9:45am
  - G152
    
    Dame Anne Salmond is a mouthpiece for the latest interpretation of history, New Zealand history to be precise.
    There have been others with the historical interpretations of the day and sometimes we get an inkling of the actual history but never the brutal truth.
    
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    January 14, 2020 9:37am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Please direct me to the ‘actual history’ of New Zealand…
      
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      January 14, 2020 10:48am
      - G152
        
        Why???
        You being what you are shouldn’t have to ask that question
        
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        January 14, 2020 12:07pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Well, if you are claiming that Anne Salmond is responsible for a particular interpretation of NZ history, but there is an ‘actual history’, then I thought it reasonable to suppose you had some idea of what that actual history is. Seems not.
        Perhaps I could give an example to help. The best known general histories of New Zealand are:
        The Long White Cloud by William Pember Reeves
        A History of New Zealand by Keith Sinclair
        Making Peoples/Paradise Reforged by James Belich
        The Penguin History of New Zealand by Michael King
        Perhaps you could tell me which of these represent actual history and which are merely interpretations.
        
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        January 14, 2020 12:35pm
      - Jack5
        
        Anne Salmond is an anthropologist.
        
        Kurt Vonnegut wrote in Palm Sunday: An Autobiographical Collage:
        
        “I chose cultural anthropology, since it offered the greatest opportunity to write high-minded balderdash.”
        
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        January 14, 2020 1:17pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Good Jack. Now you could perhaps tell us which parts of her historical works are suspect due to her anthropology background.
        
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        January 14, 2020 1:40pm
      - Michael
        
        haha, more Drive by Mikenmildagain.
        
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        January 14, 2020 2:07pm
      - Jack5
        
        Milky, if Salmond were a zoologist rather than an anthropologist we might say she’d gone ape shit in revising history.
        
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        January 14, 2020 2:24pm
  - Komata
    
    Calendar girl@0848
    
    Re: ‘The real question is: What technical knowledge or demonstrable expertise does she have in respect of the subject on which she is commenting’.
    
    But, but, she is a ‘DAME’ and therefore ‘IMPORTANT’ AND SHOULD BE LISTENED TO (At least according to some).
    
    Unfortunately, she has been told that she is IMPORTANT for so long, that she has come to believe it of herself, hence her ‘authority’ when making a comment about something about which she has no professional knowledge.
    
    Such a response is not uncommon, especially in a very small country with a very small / narrow-minded media.
    
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    January 14, 2020 9:49am
  - Michael
    
    But CG
    Because she is one of the annointed Left ones, she gets reported and has reach, thereby reinforcing the lefty ones position.
    
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    January 14, 2020 2:05pm
    - Stephieboy2
      
      Miachael , garbage in , garbage out as the saying goes!
      
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      January 14, 2020 3:03pm
  - Stephieboy2
    
    Calender girl , these are her credentials which neither you, me or anyone else on KB could ever remotely match,
    
    http://www.arts.auckland.ac.nz/people/msal020
    
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    January 14, 2020 3:02pm
- ronsegal
  
  “We must also be far more critical of the climate deniers, checking their expertise and the interests they represent ..”
  Of course play the man rather than the ball!
  
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  January 14, 2020 5:58pm
Chuck Bird

Which is the most likely cause of the fires in Oz – AGW, sodomites or arsonists?
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January 14, 2020 8:23am
- Maggie Pie
  
  LOL!! My partner just saw your post Chuck and wondered how on earth ‘sodomites’ could be the cause of the Oz fires.
  I said, “Not using lube?”
  
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  January 14, 2020 8:45am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP0v4lL_rZw
    
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    January 14, 2020 9:05am
- RW Capitalist
  
  estimates say up to 300 arsonists.
  
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  January 14, 2020 8:46am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Green supporters?
    
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    January 14, 2020 9:14am
  - Cobolt24
    
    A few fires started from lighting strikes too, they’re creating their own weather patterns.
    
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    January 14, 2020 11:03am
- redeye
  
  According to James Shaw on magic radio yesterday, arsonists have always been around. But this year the magic of climate change somehow made them more successful.
  
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  January 14, 2020 9:10am
  - alloytoo
    
    But less successful than 1974
    
    https://notrickszone.com/2020/01/11/forgotten-fact-1974-75-australian-bush-fires-were-more-than-9-times-greater-than-those-of-2019-20/
    
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    January 14, 2020 9:33am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Will you stop being inconvenient with your fact checking! Stephie will have to do more Google searches.
      
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      January 14, 2020 12:07pm
      - Stephieboy2
        
        hullkiwi , it toook seconds to find my link!
        
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        January 14, 2020 12:50pm
    - Stephieboy2
      
      Joanne Nova is talking BS,
      
      Yes, Australia has always had bushfires: but 2019 is like nothing we’ve seen before
      
      Record low rainfall has contributed to a continent-scale emergency that has burned through more than 5m hectares and alarmed scientists, doctors and firefighters
      
      Who says the bushfires are unprecedented?
      
      The firefighting agency in the state worst affected, for starters.
      
      The NSW Rural Fire Service says the scale of what has burned in that state is unprecedented at this point of the fire season. By Monday, 3.41 million hectares had burned. “To put it in perspective, in the past few years we have had a total area burned for the whole season of about 280,000 hectares,” RFS spokeswoman Angela Burford said.
      
      What do scientists say?
      
      David Bowman, director of The Fire Centre at the University of Tasmania, says the most striking thing about this fire season is the continent-scale nature of the threat. The damage in each state is explained here.
      
      To deal with these sort of fires the first step is to acknowledge the scale of the problem
      David Bowman
      “The geographic range, and the fact it is occurring all at once, is what makes it unprecedented,” Bowman says. “There has never been a situation where there has been a fire from southern Queensland, right through NSW, into Gippsland, in the Adelaide Hills, near Perth and on the east coast of Tasmania.”
      He says one of the less explored issues, though it has begun to receive some attention in recent days, is the economic impact of having prolonged fires that affect so many Australians….”
      
      https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/dec/25/factcheck-why-australias-monster-2019-bushfires-are-unprecedented
      
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      January 14, 2020 12:49pm
      - Local Miller
        
        This is BS. Australia is 769.2 Million ha, and they are talking about 5m ha being burned, with upper estimates of 10m ha, and some exaggerating at 15m ha. At the lower end, 5m ha is 0.65% and at the other end 15m ha is 1.95% While this is a lot of area, not to be down played, the 1974 fires were 117m ha and so over 15%. So what is being seen now is NOT unprecedented. Admittedly, this was 45 years ago, and a lot of the people reporting on this weren’t even alive then, and are too bloody laze or ideologically driven to do some research.
        
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        January 14, 2020 3:21pm
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  What about stupid councils and state government’s refusing to do forest management?
  
  Personally, not sure about the sodomites here, I might give them a pass. Arsonists, well we are up to 300 so far, so i would say that the actual lighting of fires is well understood science.
  
  I would even go so far as to say that deliberately lighting fires in bush that has not had its fuel loads managed properly is probably going to cause quite big, thungumies, oh, yes. Fires!
  
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  January 14, 2020 9:16am
- MCos
  
  Clearly it’s a combination of factors.
  You can have all the arsonists you want, but conditions have to be conducive to a conflagration, and that’s certainly a big issue in Oz.
  
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  January 14, 2020 1:24pm
  - Michael
    
    MCos
    thanks to not clearing the bush or enough burnbacks outside of fire season…
    
    and
    
    People wanting to live IN the bush….
    
    Somewhere in there are the Greenie twats and Pollies.
    
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    January 14, 2020 2:10pm
kevn

@Scott… One could try humanism?
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January 14, 2020 8:24am
Simon

Guns at Batasi or Dark of the Sun?
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January 14, 2020 8:27am
Paulus Gnome

The Baftas are out!

Quelle surprise!

There is all the usual howling of rage and gnashing of teeth because there are not enough ‘people of colour’ (blacks) and women in the final nominations by all the ‘luvvies’!

Maybe it is not good enough to just have a ‘front bum’ (Auckland mayoral candidate, John Tamahere who is both a fb and a person of colour) and non white to win an award, maybe they were not metorious or just plain old sucked.

I think we need to see more skinny non colour boys and girls playing professional basketball because all we see is these super tall talented black dudes popping baskets after four steps from one end of the court to the other and that is just ‘wasist’

They have talent you say? The people who PAY to see them and there skills as basketball players don’t want to see some transgender dwarf ‘have a go’ for no other reason than diversity feelz for the same reason I want to enjoy a movie and not be lectured by the woke wankers that inhabit our world.

Be outstanding or be an extra in life like the other 99.99% of us.
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January 14, 2020 8:28am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Am I to be outraged too that as a nonentity I didn’t get the “Best Morphed Jelly Bean of the year” award?
  
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  January 14, 2020 9:38am
Jack5

The indigenous descent of Australian “Aboriginal” writer Bruce Pascoe has been questioned. Pascoe writes under the pen names Murray Gray and Leopold Glass as well as under his own name.

With intermarriage in New Zealand now a couple of centuries old, ahead are bound to be disputes about Maori heritage. Once, everyone wanted to be white, now no-one wants to be white.

An Aboriginal businesswoman, Josephine Cashman, has accused Pascoe of financially benefiting from incorrectly claiming to be indigenous, and the Federal Home Affairs Minister, Peter Dutton, has referred the complaint to the Australian Federal Police.

Wikipedia says that, in his early thirties, Pascoe started investigating his ancestry, remembering his uncle having mentioned Aboriginal ancestry, and identified himself as Koori by the age of 40. He found Aboriginal ancestors on both sides of his family, including from Tasmania (Palawa), from the Bunurong people of the Kulin nation of Victoria, and from the Yuin of southern New South Wales.

He said that his family denied their own “Aboriginality” for a long time, and it was only when he investigated the “glaring absences” in the family’s story that he was drawn into Aboriginal society and culture.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-13/bruce-pascoe-labels-peter-dutton-aboriginality-referral-hurtful/11862276
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January 14, 2020 8:28am
- Minsk400
  
  Did you see the article last year about the Māori woman who had a DNA test and found that by some stroke of chance, had no Pākeha DNA despite many Pākeha ancestors? The idea of “blood” is a misnomer. My wife has some Māori features, like her mother and many aunts and uncles. Her brother has none, like me.
  
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  January 14, 2020 8:44am
  - Jack5
    
    Tthe Maori woman’s result Minsk refers was probably with one of the home-DNA tests with a genealogy site such as Ancestry. This article from Scientific American summarises the tests in a readable way:
    
    When it comes to ancestry, DNA is very good at determining close family relations such as siblings or parents, and dozens of stories are emerging that reunite or identify lost close family members (or indeed criminals). For deeper family roots, these tests do not really tell you where your ancestors came from. They say where DNA like yours can be found on Earth today. By inference, we are to assume that significant proportions of our deep family came from those places. But to say that you are 20 percent Irish, 4 percent Native American or 12 percent Scandinavian is fun, trivial and has very little scientific meaning.
    
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-accurate-are-online-dna-tests/
    
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    January 14, 2020 9:20am
  - Tall Man
    
    Yep, year before I think but you may be right. My comment on that got me banned from stuff. Not much different than what you have said but the “mantra” must not be questioned.
    
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    January 14, 2020 9:20am
- lifesgood
  
  Genealogists have thoroughly investigated Pascoe’s ancestral history and have found absolutely no evidence of any aboriginal ancestry. All the tribes he claims to be linked to have also denied he has their ancestry and aborigines are fully versed in their ancestral ties. It is an important part of their culture. He is thoroughly British and is nothing more than a chancer and fraudster. He has made a heap of money from his claims. Interesting to see it is now being investigated. I saw him interviewed on Sky News last night. Boy was he back pedalling without actually admiring his fraud.
  
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  January 14, 2020 8:51am
  - Tall Man
    
    Surely the “woke” will support him in his desire to identify as aboriginal… If not then how can they bleat about the rest of us not calling the bloke with the hairy chest and “tackle” mrs……………
    
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    January 14, 2020 9:22am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      What is it? ‘You are so clever despite your ethnicity?’
      
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      January 14, 2020 12:01pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Not sure what you mean. Slow day in the skull…..
        
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        January 14, 2020 4:55pm
  - Bell-47
    
    Australias Pocahontas..
    
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    January 14, 2020 9:42am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    It doesn’t seem that anyone has ‘thoroughly investigated Pascoe’s ancestral history’ at all. It appears one person has accused him of making it up, on the basis that the accuser’s ex-partner’s ‘people’ had never heard of Pascoe.
    Storm in a teacup.
    
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    January 14, 2020 10:52am
    - lifesgood
      
      Oh dear, milkenmild again, making claims without any basis. I have followed the story on this in detail. Every tribe he claims to belong to has denied he does. They are deeply affronted by it. If you are so clever, mm, it is easy enough to search birth registers, immigration records, census records etc, as those reporting him have done. His ancestry is British. But, of course, you know better. Why are you protecting a fraudster is my question?
      
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      January 14, 2020 11:23am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Could you provide a link for this investigation of his ancestry? It seems like a very difficult thing to disprove conclusively – that someone has a particular ancestry.
        
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        January 14, 2020 1:48pm
      - lifesgood
        
        milkenmild….do your own research, buddy.
        
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        January 14, 2020 2:49pm
    - Jules99
      
      Pascoe has been offered the opportunity to present his evidence of Aboriginal ancestry – he refuses to respond. You might think it’s nobody’s business, except that he’s benefited financially from claiming tribal membership at the expense of real tribal members. Pretty disgusting if you ask me.
      
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      January 14, 2020 1:46pm
    - Tall Man
      
      https://www.dark-emu-exposed.org/home/2016/1/30/room-to-work-ye2nx-9cg43
      
      Knock yourself out mikey.
      
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      January 14, 2020 8:53pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Oh dear,
  another Elizabeth Warren?
  https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/19/us/politics/elizabeth-warren-native-american.html
  
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  January 14, 2020 9:33am
  - bouden
    
    Mea maxima culpa. Now for her penance … oh wait, the taxpayer will see to that.
    
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    January 14, 2020 2:54pm
Simon

Breadline Bernie is surging in the Dem primaries – he has just overtaken Mandela Soleimani.

Bad news for the Dems if Biden like Clinton cant put this Marxist fossil away.
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January 14, 2020 8:30am
- Ed Snack
  
  You’d have to worry if you were a Democrat, if your hopes are pinned on Biden. Creepy Joe with his dementia becoming more and more apparent. Now Bernie has just emphasised how vociferously Joe supported the Iraq war (and Bush) at the time despite his attempts to spin it away.
  
  Trump may or may not win in November, but it sure looks like the Dems are determined to ensure that he does.
  
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  January 14, 2020 9:19am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Yet Biden is obviously the candidate Trump fears, hence his desperate attempts to smear him with the Ukrainian nonsense.
    
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    January 14, 2020 9:55am
    - Two fish and a scoop thanks Cindy
      
      Really Queen?
      “Hey Joe… how does my hair smell?”
      “Hey Joe, Hows the new Grandkid?”
      “Hey Joe… Where’s Hunter??”
      “Hey Joe, What City are we in?”
      Trump would massacre Biden in the debates
      
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      January 14, 2020 11:57am
    - marcw
      
      Of course Trump wants Biden to be selected – it will guarantee his next 4 years as POTUS. And the Dems are just acting stupid enough to give it to him. Bizarre.
      
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      January 14, 2020 12:39pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Maybe his personal habits may catch on…….
        
        https://newspunch.com/creepy-joe-biden-sniffing-young-girls-hair-iowa/
        
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        January 14, 2020 8:47pm
- Bell-47
  
  It’s almost as if the Dems want Trump to win, they are certainly doing everything to try and get him reelected 🙂
  
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  January 14, 2020 9:44am
  - Tall Man
    
    As they should, he’s the best option so far 😉
    
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    January 14, 2020 8:45pm
Maggie Pie

My partner was held up in Victoria Street for yonks yesterday when an old crapped out diesel burning double-decker Chinese operated Tourist Bus slipped its handbrake and careered down the hill….running over a poor lady pushing a baby in her pram – and causing lots of other damage!
Like he said this morning, “What this city needs is a lot more f~~king bus lanes, smoke blowing buses, revenue cameras, road works, e scooters, cyclists, no parking zones, ticket wardens, street closures, train sets, and pedestrian malls.
Pity for any poor bastard that wants to drive a new car in town”
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January 14, 2020 8:30am
- sooty
  
  That’ll teach him!
  Going into town to show the plebs the new motor!
  
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  January 14, 2020 8:58am
- alloytoo
  
  I noted through gritted teeth that Auckland Transport had been working tirelessly over the holidays to completely stuff up my preferred route to the City.
  
  When are companies going to realize that two offices, one on the Shore and another south of the city (possibly in Highbrook) will not only cost less to lease, but will make all their staff much happier.
  
  Leave the CBD to the tourists and council staff. They deserve each other.
  
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  January 14, 2020 9:41am
  - lifesgood
    
    Downtown Auckland is a complete and utter bloody shambles. The weather is only sitoutable for a few months of the year, if that, going by this summer so far, and yet most of Quay street is being given over to
    pretty little sitting out spaces. They need their heads read. But, as usual, we Aucklanders just sit back and let the morons run the asylum.
    
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    January 14, 2020 11:26am
    - secondcumming
      
      *Lest We Forget* …..who still runs the asylum 😎
      
      https://www.w3vietnam.org.nz/images/goffandclark.bmp
      
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      January 14, 2020 11:54am
- Local Miller
  
  And AT have rerouted my bus to avoid the Custom St road works, only to route the bus through other road works. A bloody shambles.
  
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  January 14, 2020 3:28pm
otago-man

3 degrees overnight low, heading for the coldest January in a number of years, just an inconvenient fact
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January 14, 2020 8:36am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  I am sure that once NIWA have fed it through the model a couple of times, we will see that it is the fourth warmest january in recorded history.
  
  After all, who you going to believe, your own lying eyes? or a business that depends for its survival on telling funding agencies what they want to hear?
  
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  January 14, 2020 9:19am
- Ed Snack
  
  That’s just weather, you should know that ! Now if it was the hottest for a while, THAT would be Climate Change !
  
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  January 14, 2020 9:20am
- Wangas Feral
  
  Climate change did it.
  
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  January 14, 2020 9:21am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  T-shirt and Shorts seem to be the wrong choice this morning.
  16C and not going any higher today.
  Still, the rain is great; the lawns had started browning off and a few shrubs were starting to look stressed.
  
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  January 14, 2020 9:42am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  I’m wondering if all the Aussie smoke might be responsible for substantial cooling in downwind areas. Been a cold summer so far.
  
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  January 14, 2020 9:42am
  - Stephieboy2
    
    UN , there is merit in that as the bush fire haze that recently affected Auckland saw temps drop by 2 degrees!
    
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    January 14, 2020 11:27am
  - Jules99
    
    I think you’ve just discovered the cure for global warming – burn Australia!
    
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    January 14, 2020 1:49pm
- Stephieboy2
  
  otago-man, why an” inconvenient fact”?
  
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  January 14, 2020 11:25am
  - otago-man
    
    Need I explain! Does Not fit the alarmists computer models
    
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    January 14, 2020 12:17pm
    - stormykiwi
      
      Hear,hear otago-man!
      
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      January 14, 2020 4:42pm
Paulus

Scott
A very good point that we are seeing not only in Australia but around the World.
Where there is not a left wing Government then Anarchy has set in whether it be the USA or the UK and now Australia.
When there is not a left wing Government then all hell lets loose as we are seeing. The left hate to lose.
Scott Morrison did not cause the Bush Fires – they started in Queensland in late September earlier than usual due to serious long term drought.
Neither has he the skills to work as a Firefighter.
These are actually the responsibility tightly held by the States and not the Federal Government.
That he is a Global Warming skeptic automatically make him an enemy of the intelligentsia.
We will see this later this year when the COL gets the bums rush here then Anarchy will take over.
The media are already at it having decided that Cindy is our Savior.
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January 14, 2020 8:37am
- MCos
  
  SloMo isn’t a firefighter and he sure looks awful in Speedos.
  On the other hand Tony Abbott is a firefighter and looks rather manly in Speedos in a Putinesque sort of way.
  Is he ready for a comeback?
  
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  January 14, 2020 10:34am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The least you could have done is supply us with a link
    https://www.google.com/search?q=tony+abbott+in+speedos&sxsrf=ACYBGNRufdcOpkEgOATpaMCro4iMM2bGvw:1578962231119&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi795jX7IHnAhVhxzgGHYzqDDQQ_AUoAXoECAsQAw&biw=1440&bih=680
    
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    January 14, 2020 1:38pm
    - Jules99
      
      Rather see him than Julia Gillard in a swimsuit.
      
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      January 14, 2020 1:50pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Saving us from what exactly?
  
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  January 14, 2020 12:16pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Probably herself.
    
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    January 14, 2020 8:42pm
- MCos
  
  “ Where there is not a left wing Government then Anarchy has set in whether it be the USA or the UK and now Australia.”
  What anarchy?
  There’s plenty of countries around the world that would trade in their situation for that sort of ‘anarchy’.
  
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  January 14, 2020 1:37pm
Happychappy

Wow Labour and the Coalition has really let NZer’s down on housing after the promises they made at the last Election.
Public housing waiting list hits new high of 14,500 house holds on the waiting list has more than doubled from roughly 6,000 individuals or families on the list shortly after the 2017 General Election where they formed a Coalition with NZ First and the Green Party.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political
After all there promises and three years of abusing National on this policy they can’t dig themselves out of the hole they dug with all the lies and promises they made.
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January 14, 2020 8:40am
- sooty
  
  You really have to thank the Twit Twyford!
  He singlehandly stuff up Communist Cindys major election plank from the last election!
  Did he get his just rewards.
  No, he did not!
  
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  January 14, 2020 9:02am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Be fair, he did have lots of help from his Cabinet colleagues. They are the ones who decided that Landlords were parasites who needed to be punished, and that tenants needed the rights to stay where they wanted, own pets, do renovation, and have rent controls.
    
    My house is single glazed, I doubt it would qualify to be a rental. Just like 85% of all the other owner occupied housing in New Zealand.
    
    Every single time Government, anywhere in the world messes with the housing market, the result is entirely predictable.
    
    Not a crisis yet? Hold my beer and watch this, says every socialist goverment.
    
    If I was to be fair, allowing 700,000 extra New Zealanders into the country, and not investing in infrastructure, does give you an entirely predictable set of problems – New Zealand has always been the home of the half-arsed solution, half a motorway, half a Harbour bridge, half a railway, and half of a sewage system.
    
    Perhaps if the Nats hadnt been so scared of PPPs or genuine innovation in infrastructure we might have got somewhere? Under Labour we never will, these pillocks still think roads are bad – incidentally, where has all the new fuel tax money gone – it certainly hasnt been spent on infrastructure?
    
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    January 14, 2020 9:25am
    - Minsk400
      
      I’m with them on pets. As a homeowner wanting to build a new home, I’m going to have to rent while it happens. Because I want to build in a place with very few rentals available, having pets cuts the available options for renting by two-thirds, because of some phobia about pets on the part of landlords based on some horror stories about people who weren’t good tenants, their pets being a symptom, not the cause of the problem stories.
      
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      January 14, 2020 11:51am
      - artemisia
        
        Even if a vacancy ad says no pets, can always ask and make a good case. Not that unusual for most applicants for a tenancy to be considered unsuitable, so an otherwise good tenant could easily be successful even with pets. Some applicants provide pet references.
        
        Why should landlords take a risk if they don’t have to? Especially where tenants have limited responsibility for damage and even if found responsible, good luck with getting paid.
        
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        January 14, 2020 3:49pm
      - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
        
        Can’t agree. The pet thing is not a phobia.
        
        I have much experience of cats. Between furballs, stropping the carpets and doors to sharpen their claws, and generally being little furry cunts, I think they have caused at least $10k damage to the place (not to mention the shredded leather couches)!
        
        Don’t get me wrong, I like cats and have had at least one since I was 10. But, lets not be blind to the damage they cause, and often out of boredom, or for fun (the rodent release stratagem!).
        
        Dogs inside can be worse!
        
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        January 14, 2020 4:05pm
- artemisia
  
  We are told the big increase is because we now have a kind and caring government so people now know they will be listened to. And housed by the taxpayer.
  
  Nothing to do with the average $300 a week taxpayer subsidy for each household paying income related rent for social housing. Or those with a poor tenant or credit history. No sirree. Not even faintly relevant.
  
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  January 14, 2020 9:08am
- Tall Man
  
  Yes but the “promises” made weren’t binding because they were promises made to get elected, not actually do!
  
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  January 14, 2020 9:18am
  - cmm
    
    promises -> aspirations -> oh well, at least they care.
    
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    January 14, 2020 9:59am
    - sooty
      
      With plenty of feelz and hugs and an 8wk holiday in the sun!
      
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      January 14, 2020 10:41am
      - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
        
        Where do I get to sign up for between 8 and 20 paid weeks off a year? us ageing Deities could do with a cushy little number, its not as if we can all be part time prime ministers, or run small boutique NGOs you know?
        
        Maybe I need to sign up for a smaller denomination, and get the adulation and riches I really deserve?
        
        Perhaps I could sign up to be the personal deity of the Bish? Good money, great perks, and we take eftpos!
        
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        January 14, 2020 6:33pm
      - Tall Man
        
        I have to admit that I take a decent amount of holidays however I have run my own business for 40 years so I feel a little entitled.
        
        ardern and her ilk just feel entitled without the work ethic.
        
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        January 14, 2020 8:41pm
- Michael
  
  Happy,
  Please don’t forget the increased refugees displacing those already on the waiting list
  
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  January 14, 2020 2:18pm
kevn

@Happy… A big part of the housing problem is the negative focus on landlords. Many have just bailed out. Lots converted to AirBnB’s.
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January 14, 2020 9:10am
- Jack5
  
  What negative focus, Kevin? They won over a capital gains tax, and there’s a lot of money to be made from a chain of BnB’s if you don’t get hit with some of the charges imposed on motels and hotels.
  
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  January 14, 2020 9:26am
  - kevn
    
    @Jack… You need to understand (ex) landlords take on it. Basically they are out.
    
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    January 14, 2020 10:07am
- artemisia
  
  Agree, those tax free capital gains and no tenant hassles look pretty good these days. It is worth mentioning though that some of the rental shortage is not due to this government but to the Reserve Bank’s change to LVRs. Back in mid 2016 around $2.5billion a month bank lending went into rental housing. These days about $1billion.
  
  That gap represents thousands of rentals a month not built or bought into the pool. Meanwhile, population increases.
  
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  January 14, 2020 9:43am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Those tourists have to stay somewhere.
  
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  January 14, 2020 12:25pm
mikenmildagain

Happy World Logic Day!
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January 14, 2020 9:11am
- krazykiwi
  
  Either this comment is helpful, or it’s not. Let the ticks decide.
  
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  January 14, 2020 9:23am
  - PaulDunmore
    
    I wanted to both uptick and downtick, but the stupid software won’t let me!
    
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    January 14, 2020 10:17am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      You need another Kiwiblog logon.
      
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      January 14, 2020 10:53am
      - Michael
        
        yes, again
        
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        January 14, 2020 2:21pm
krazykiwi

Our government has ramped up indoctrination of our children, with inclusion of Climate Change™ material in the curriculum. Teachers are guided thus:

Children may respond to the climate change scientific material in a number of ways. They may experience a whole host of difficult emotions, including fear, helplessness, frustration, anger, guilt, grief, and confusion. When discussing the material, teachers may encounter students who cope through avoidance, denial, diversionary tactics, wishful thinking and a range of other coping mechanisms.

So we can be sure ‘the material’ contains socialist propaganda, rather than science.

Ardern is condoning child abuse here. She is willingly placing children in a situation where their mental wellbeing is being impacted, collateral damage in support of her UN ambitions.
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January 14, 2020 9:21am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  Any other things that our children should not be taught about?
  
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  January 14, 2020 9:57am
  - krazykiwi
    
    You confuse teaching, with brainwashing.
    
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    January 14, 2020 10:31am
  - Than
    
    Well we have rules limiting compulsory religious instruction in schools, and climate change (at least with a curriculum effectively written by the Green party) certainly qualifies.
    
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    January 14, 2020 10:36am
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      (at least with a curriculum effectively written by the Green party)
      
      ???
      
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      January 14, 2020 11:21am
      - Than
        
        Oh, please. If you don’t realize the Greens would be dictating exactly what would go into a climate-change curriculum, I’ve got a bridge to sell you.
        
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        January 14, 2020 11:57am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      On fire today Than!
      
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      January 14, 2020 1:02pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    Just about everything that’s in vogue with the left. Leave the kids alone.
    
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    January 14, 2020 11:10am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Education is teaching kids how to think. Indoctrination is teaching them what to think. Doomster climate change ‘education’ isn’t education.
    
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    January 14, 2020 2:43pm
  - Local Miller
    
    Yes, that girls can be made into boys, and boys can have periods and abortions and be made into girls!
    
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    January 14, 2020 3:40pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  The time to stop climate change promotion criminality has arrived. The science is shonky, the Maxist push is uncovered. If there are significant changes,adaptation will succeed–closing down the world will not.
  Are we to lose a generation of children so a political system change is attempted?
  Doesn’t the Govt have a duty of care?
  
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  January 14, 2020 10:31am
  - krazykiwi
    
    I work with a national children’s NGO. Sadly we get to see some of the more tragic circumstances endured by kiwi kids. In our experience, one of the biggest indicators of anxiety in children is them living in benefit dependent households.
    
    Under Ardern’s ‘leadership’, and I use that term generiously, the number of children living in benefit dependent households has increased year-on-year, for the first time in 10 years.
    
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    January 14, 2020 10:38am
    - Tall Man
      
      Making sure that you are first on the list for the gravy train isn’t considered “leadership” anymore ?
      
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      January 14, 2020 6:19pm
- Fletch
  
  And it’s scaring the shit out of kids, who are needing drugs and psychological help. It is child abuse, and adults should know better.
  
  https://www.newsweek.com/eco-anxiety-climate-change-parent-fear-discussion-children-global-warming-depression-effects-1459731
  
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  January 14, 2020 2:48pm
- HemiT
  
  and the > website here also has the ‘wellbeing guide (pdf)’ which provides ‘mental health’ , ‘suicide’ helplines ect .. what an absolute disgust this is to risk envoking these type of thoughts.
  
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  January 14, 2020 4:41pm
the deity formerly known as nigel6888

And on another tack, who is faintly surprised that Greta Thurnburg is a sock puppet operated by her father and some IPCC activist?
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January 14, 2020 9:29am
- krazykiwi
  
  No surprise:
  
  A Thursday evening software update at Facebook accidentally allowed anyone to view exactly who is posting under the accounts of public figures, businesses and other entities, according to Wired.
  
  The result? For starters, some 3 million followers of teenage climate activist Greta Thunberg have been reading posts written by her father, Svante Thunberg, and a climate activist in India who serves as a delegate at the UN’s Climate Change organization, Adarsh Prathap.
  
  Thunberg, Inc. claims Greta is still the one writing the content.
  
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  January 14, 2020 10:26am
- marcw
  
  Most thinking people have known this since she appeared in the sycophantic world press. It was only a matter of time before those behind her revealed the true situation, but the Scoldilocks believers will just ‘look the other way’.
  
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  January 14, 2020 10:33am
  - lifesgood
    
    Its the old story, and what the nazis did, use a child, preferably with plaits, for propaganda purposes to ensure nobody can criticise lest they be seen to be child bashing. The unfortunate truth is that she is now 17, so no longer a child.
    
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    January 14, 2020 2:53pm
Happychappy

Anyone think this was how Winston was going to get large Donations to fund his secret Foundation and would anyone put it past him. Racing supporter Graham O’Brien of Hawerasaid the bill was the biggest Land grab since early Colonial Days. A section of the bill has proposed the Minister of Racing to be able to use money from the sale of small Racing Clubs towards funding improvements in other Venues.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/118762109/proposed-new-racing-industry-reforms-will-take-money-from-sale-of-stratford-freehold-track
Who knows what or how large some people will pay in Donations to have upgrades at there Racing Club facilities.
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January 14, 2020 9:29am
- andydownhere
  
  And they want to sell Avondale for $200 million to upgrade Ellersile. And make Winny a life member.
  
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  January 14, 2020 7:34pm
- Tall Man
  
  “Who knows what or how large some people will pay in Donations”
  
  “what’s in it for wynston knows”…..
  
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  January 14, 2020 8:36pm
The King

Naval shooting done by Saudi extremist.

Somehow the boomers will blame Iran because surely Saudi Arabia our greatest ally would never do this.

https://www.rt.com/news/478162-pensacola-naval-air-station-shooting-saudi-terrorism/
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January 14, 2020 9:34am
- hullkiwi
  
  Are you the new Stephie? Irrespective of your politics, if has been well known to many that the Saudis have been also supporters (both physically and financially) of terrorism.
  
  Are you expecting us to dig up some unknown bit of “evidence” showing that bin Laden was in fact an Iranian for you to confirm to you that we (on KB) are incapable of discerning fact from the fiction you delude yourself with?
  
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  January 14, 2020 10:24am
  - Stephieboy2
    
    hullkiwi, and the Trump administration contines claose ties with the Saudi regime !
    
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    January 14, 2020 11:48am
    - Komata
      
      SB@1148
      
      I would suggest you either get a spell-checker that speaks actual ‘real’ (non-American) English, or that you replace yourself with someone who actually speaks our language.
      
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      January 14, 2020 1:20pm
    - hullkiwi
      
      …and no, I don’t support the Saudi regime.
      
      As well as your spelling, you would do well to check the grammatical construction of what you are posting. Your assertion about me is false, so an apology is in order. Also, I’m not a member of the Trump fan club (check past KB posts about Trump).
      
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      January 14, 2020 2:16pm
  - Jack5
    
    Is Her/His Majesty, The King, the new Stephie? Nope she/he is the new ?Kea.
    
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    January 14, 2020 12:57pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  I’m not sure why you would claim that “boomers” will blame Iran for this King. But making statements about how someone else, or group of others will think is standard leftist fare. So next time you are compelled to let everyone know your political leanings, don’t be too upset when you are treated with maximum skepticism.
  Just as an aside, I have a question. How does it feel to live in a world that vexes you with its difficulty, and has has passed you by?
  
  [Mod: don’t expect a reply, he’s been banned for a week.]
  
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  January 14, 2020 12:24pm
curry4me

https://donsurber.blogspot.com/2020/01/one-missile-one-iranian-regime-change.html#more

The Mullahs might want to check their Swiss bank accounts, and exile arrangements.
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January 14, 2020 9:41am
- The King
  
  Ah, the “regime change” crap again, this worked well for the other countries didn’t it?
  
  Regime change = thousands of dead brown people = not crying at all = mass immigration = crying about Brenton Tarrants.
  
  ρ=28, σ = 10, β = 8/3.
  
  The butterfly effect.
  
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  January 14, 2020 10:28am
  - Tall Man
    
    You are descending into irrational behavior.
    
    I thought you were sent to the naughty chair. If not, maybe you should take yourself there.
    
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    January 14, 2020 6:15pm
rightoverlabour

More global warming in the States…

https://watchers.news/2020/01/13/at-least-12-dead-as-massive-winter-storm-system-hits-us/

And I see a few more volcanoes have been saying “Hello World”

https://watchers.news/category/volcanoes/
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January 14, 2020 9:41am
- Stephieboy2
  
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  righroverlabour,in other words more extreme weather events ( a feature of climate change) and volcanic eruptions whose emissions are minimal compared to man-made ones.
  
  Correct?
  
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  January 14, 2020 11:19am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Actually if you knew any basics around climatology you would know that enhanced pressure gradients cause more extreme weather. These usually occur during periods of cooling where westerly winds increase significantly during cooler periods.
    
    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0959683614557576
    
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-21836-6
    
    Generally speaking warmer climates are more benign in every respect. The Volcanoes tend to cool the atmosphere, and seem to be waking up in response to muons destabilizing the silica rich magmas, which are entering the earth as the GSM progresses. This all points to a cooling of the earth, despite CO2 rises. And worse weather because of cooling, not warming.
    
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    January 14, 2020 11:47am
  - alloytoo
    
    Actually no.
    
    Extreme weather events have actually declined in the past two decades and there are recent studies which suggest that volcanic emissions have been under estimated.
    
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    January 14, 2020 11:56am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIwt0BWlB1M

Texas refuses to accept all economic migrants [“refugees”]
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January 14, 2020 9:42am
LTA1955

This is going to end very badly for all of us now, and future generations, if JCU can get away with this:
http://joannenova.com.au/2020/01/busted-reef-fish-arent-bothered-by-acidification-scientific-fraud-ok-at-james-cook-uni/
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January 14, 2020 9:48am
- Ruahine
  
  The Internet is wonderful. Hi Five Joanna.
  
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  January 14, 2020 10:50am
- Stephieboy2
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  LTA1955,
  
  “potential”
  
  Jo Nova words!
  
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  January 14, 2020 11:13am
  - herb1
    
    you really can’t see past your ignorance and bias Stephie. thats a really sad place to be
    
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    January 14, 2020 11:36am
    - Michael
      
      Herb1
      sick not sad.
      
      sad is from others perspetyive.
      he doesn’t know.
      
      That’s one of the reasons why he drive bys…..
      
      There fixed that for you.
      
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      January 14, 2020 2:26pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I don’t think JCU will be getting away with it.
  
  The researcher who carried out the reef-fish /acidification work for her PhD at JCU was well and truly busted a couple of years back.
  
  https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/09/can-you-spot-duplicates-critics-say-these-photos-lionfish-point-fraud
  
  The question now, is how many of her colleagues/supervisors/ peer reviewers were asleep on the job?
  https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2020/01/10/peter-ridd-scientific-misconduct-at-james-cook-university-confirms-my-worst-fears/
  
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  January 14, 2020 11:24am
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    MW,
    
    Royal Society journal clears author of misconduct despite photo concerns
    
    Journal’s investigation exonerates fish researcher, who has previous retraction to her name
    
    A former Queensland researcher with a previous retraction to her name has been exonerated of misconduct by a Royal Society journal, despite its acknowledgement of concerns about an allegedly manipulated photographic collage that was used in her defence.
    
    Biology Letters says it has concluded its investigations over claims that former James Cook University (JCU) student Oona Lönnstedt exaggerated the number of fish used in a 2014 study.
    The article in question described a series of experiments which had found that zebra lionfish flared their pectoral fins to muster peers for a collective hunt. Cooperative hunting had been documented among marine mammals but rarely demonstrated in fish…”
    
    https://www.timeshighereducation.com/cn/news/royal-society-journal-clears-author-misconduct-despite-photo-concerns
    
    Meanwhile the acidification of the Great Barrier Reef is an ongoing serious problem ,
    
    http://theconversation.com/the-great-barrier-reef-is-in-trouble-there-are-a-whopping-45-reasons-why-122930
    
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    January 14, 2020 12:31pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      You are well out of date, stephieboy.
      
      Lönnstedt buggered up her research with microplastics too:
      
      However, an expert group of Sweden’s Central Ethical Review Board, which was also tasked with vetting the study, concluded in April 2017 that Lönnstedt and Eklöv “have been guilty of scientific misconduct”. The researchers defended the paper but requested that Science retract it in light of questions about their findings.
      
      To settle the controversy, the university’s vice-chancellor, Eva Åkesson, subsequently handed over the case to the newly established Board for Investigation of Misconduct in Research at Uppsala University for further scrutiny.
      
      Charges made
      
      In its decision, announced on 7 December, the board finds Lönnstedt guilty of having intentionally fabricated data; it alleges that Lönnstedt did not conduct the experiments during the period — and to the extent — described in the Science paper.
      
      https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-017-08321-2
      
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      January 14, 2020 1:59pm
      - Michael
        
        ohh stephie were YOU the lone downticker ????
        
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        January 14, 2020 2:27pm
- Minsk400
  
  Why not JCU if the Lancet can allow the whole Wakefield fiasco, which has had a serious effect on health everywhere?
  https://www.bmj.com/content/342/bmj.c7452
  
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  January 14, 2020 4:20pm
hullkiwi

Just had a call from Mrs HK relaying her encounter this morning with one of the “new entitled” people we must all respect.

On a rural unsealed road in Rodney my wife drives round a blind corner to encounter a cyclist stop dead in the middle of the lane in the road on his mobile phone. He had not even moved over to the berm/verge (which is ample at this spot along said road). In her words, “he was still astride the crossbar of his bike taking his call”.
Needless to say, MrsHK passed said cyclist, planted her foot and gave him a good cloud of dust and gravel.

As someone who grew up cycling and has completed marathon bike ride events in the UK and competed in triathlons, it is examples such as my wife’s encounter that really annoys me and the fellow residents of our area off to cyclists. One day soon, we are all expecting that because of their arrogance, self entitlement and ignorance, that one of the cyclists will (God forbid) become a fatality and such incident will involve a local. This is because these dumb self entitled cyclists insist on riding in the middle of rural gravel round that contains an uneven surface, numerous potholes and blind corners. When such an event occurs, it is almost a certainty that unfortunate local in their SUV or commercial ute will be demonised by the Green/Labour supporting fraternity. But the reality will be that the arrogant sh*t head cyclist was riding in a manner, that said “I am an accident waiting to happen, so be warned motorist”.
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January 14, 2020 9:59am
- Komata
  
  HK@0959
  
  You should try living around the Cambridge area; and ‘The NZ ‘Home of Cycling’.
  
  Horror stories concerning local ‘interaction’ between motor vehicles of all types and ‘road lice’ abound; your wife got off VERY lightly I can assure you…
  
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  January 14, 2020 1:27pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    Komata, yes. I’ll admit to doing a triathlon at Karipiroro in the late 1980s (a Phillippa Baker benefit). I can understand “road lice” being a problem in your parts.
    
    Our problem is our local roads are poorly maintained goat tracks at the best of times, add cyclists and you have a recipe for a disaster.
    
    Don’t get me wrong, I’m not anti-cycling, I just have a problem with the modern cavalary charging, holier than thou, lycra clad, road riding virtue signallers. What these dumb as* idiots is that people live, work and travel along the shi**y rural roads out of necessity and what we do not appreciate are these people endangering our lives and theirs!
    
    Komata, this is not aimed at you, but I am being as emphatic as possible, because I’ve had near misses also and I do not want to wear one of these idiots on the front of our vehicles. I can also assure you when we had our toad’s annual get together at Christmas, the “road lice” as you put it were commonly bemoaned by all those in attendance!
    
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    January 14, 2020 2:00pm
- JackRabbit
  
  This is what happens when two individuals share the use of the road, and one has to be licenced and obey the road rules and the other doesn’t.
  
  While the responsibility comes back to the cyclist, ultimately NZTA are responsible for failing to enforce the road rules, thereby creating death traps.
  
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  January 14, 2020 2:12pm
alloytoo

I undertook a survey for Meridian this morning, the conversation appeared to centre around the environment and future planning.

I don’t think they liked my answers, especially when I told them that Climate change had been happening for all of recorded history and that humanity had this annoying tendency to adapt.
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January 14, 2020 11:44am
Happychappy

New Climate change curriculum announced. A new climate change teaching resource lesson s onGreta Thunberg, dealing with ” Scepticism ” understanding feelings about climate change, and advice e to eat less meat.The new Ministry of Education resource available for NZ Students years 7 – 10 tells them climate scientists agree that humanity is responsible for the vast majority of enhanced green house affects.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/01/new-climate-change-curriculum-lessons-on-greta-thunberg-and-dealing-with-scepticism.html
Surely the voter will not be happy with this Governments will to intrude on parents decisions, most agree that there is a problem but this is a step to far.
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January 14, 2020 12:50pm
- chaos
  
  Interesting that they will be teaching kids to eat less meat to save the planet, but we should be teaching kids to eat less takeaways and crap because they are too obese
  
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  January 14, 2020 1:15pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    Chaos, interesting they don’t teach that we could never grow enough vegetables, fruits and nuts on this planet to provide the necessary, protein, vitamins and minerals if we all switched to a vegetarian or vegan diet!
    
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    January 14, 2020 2:06pm
  - MCos
    
    I suppose if healthy living was part of the curriculum that would be grounds for complaining about nanny state or some such and then there’s the antivaxxers, the anti fluoridites, anti chlorinism, raw milk believers, vegetarians, vegans, royalists, pro lifers.
    
    From my experience the most influential are parents as well as close friends.
    
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    January 14, 2020 2:30pm
  - Happychappy
    
    Chaos when they pay the bill for food on the table they have no right to tell children what to eat , its parents job to do that.
    
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    January 14, 2020 3:09pm
    - chaos
      
      Problem with our health system is some parents don’t know how to feed their little fat kids.
      
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      January 14, 2020 5:23pm
- Michael
  
  HaPPY
  read alloytoo above….
  
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  January 14, 2020 2:29pm
chaos

How stupid

* A new climate change teaching resource includes lessons on Greta Thunberg, dealing with “scepticism”, understanding feelings about climate change, and advice to eat less meat.*

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/01/new-climate-change-curriculum-lessons-on-greta-thunberg-and-dealing-with-scepticism.html
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January 14, 2020 12:54pm
- Stephieboy2
  
  chaos , one thing for sure is that you don’t have read or make use of it!
  
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  January 14, 2020 1:21pm
- JackRabbit
  
  Maybe they could teach youngsters about recognising electoral fraud and suppression of rape and sexual assault.
  
  Be Sceptical about the Sceptics.
  
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  January 14, 2020 2:05pm
  - Michael
    
    Jack
    
    But they’ll never vote Labour then!
    
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    January 14, 2020 2:30pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      Precisely!
      
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      January 14, 2020 5:22pm
- LTA1955
  
  But Jimmy 2 mums said yesterday on Magic Radio with Sean Plunket that the CC lessons are not compulsory for 11-14 year olds. By the way Sean absolutely skewed Jimmy like a fresh kebab….so many ums and ahhhs, there were at least 4 truck moments of inner turmoil. Cindy would have been proud.
  
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  January 14, 2020 3:25pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Well done getting Jimmy 2 mums passed by the mods. I was expressly told to not use that name and also golly which I have also seen used recently.
    
    All I asked was for consistency in the moderation and what this looks like is that I get smacked for doing something that others are permitted.
    
    While a mod explained they weren’t part of the decision to block my comments about Meghan, the mod that did never fronted up with a reason why when she is not”protected”.
    
    Consistency and clarification… Not too much to ask is it?
    
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    January 14, 2020 6:05pm
    - Tall Man
      
      “Not too much to ask is it?”
      
      Maybe it is 😉
      
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      January 14, 2020 8:34pm
  - Scooter
    
    Hilarious, just listened, and this is part of the coalition running the country.
    
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    January 15, 2020 12:21am
Raphael

Martyn Bradbury goes off at NZ Farmers for not being Left wing.

and tells them to abandon meat and dairy farming for trees and hemp

https://www.facebook.com/NZFarming/posts/1350898628422648?__tn__=K-R
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January 14, 2020 1:01pm
- chaos
  
  Interesting, didn’t know John key told farmers to get into diary for China. Sounds like the ranting of an unstable person.
  
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  January 14, 2020 1:07pm
  - Gravelroad
    
    “Sounds like the ranting of an unstable person”?
    Why not say it like it is- this guy is more than unstable – he is dangerous.
    Knows everything and knows nothing. Desperate.
    
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    January 14, 2020 2:37pm
    - chaos
      
      Oh, you mean he is stephie?
      
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      January 14, 2020 5:21pm
- JackRabbit
  
  >> “…for trees and hemp..”
  
  Hug a tree and a weed, while we all starve to death.
  
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  January 14, 2020 1:50pm
- Tall Man
  
  He’s as mad as a snake.
  
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  January 14, 2020 5:55pm
Maggie Pie

Finally….have just finished catching up with last weeks episodes of ‘The Block Australia’ which I recorded while we was away. Sooo much better than the local version for its sheer entertainment value…. absolutely dog eat dog when it comes to competing for the extra money and sponsor ships.
The two token Gay guys, ‘Mark & Mitch’, really got up everyone’s noses last night with their shitty attitude…..so much so that one of the straight contestants who they really managed to piss off, called them “Bark & Bitch”. Couldn’t have put it better myself LOL!!!

[Not to be missed! TV3 Sun-Wed @7:30 😀 ]
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January 14, 2020 1:09pm
- chaos
  
  It was a good season, that’s all I will say so not to wreck it for you. But damn was there some good bitchings going on.
  
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  January 14, 2020 1:20pm
  - sooty
    
    Why is it with queers that think it’s all about them in that whingy,whiney high pitch voice?
    When there is so few of them!
    
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    January 14, 2020 5:10pm
chaos

*How Dare You?

Blogger Michael Smith has uncovered very disturbing information about how Greta Thunberg is being used by her father and the United Nations.*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Re8gqxWvCTA
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January 14, 2020 1:15pm
- chaos
  
  https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2020/01/facebook-glitch-reveals-indian-un-climate-delegate-posts-as-greta-thunberg.html
  
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  January 14, 2020 1:17pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    So even Gretamania started in an Indian Call Centre…..
    
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    January 14, 2020 1:51pm
- JackRabbit
  
  In years to come, our great grand children will read the bedtime story of Greta and Rat-trap, who conned the world. Up there with the Pied Piper of Hamelin, The Emperor’s New Clothes, and Chicken Little.
  
  If you dig deep enough, any threat to the environment is not from burning coal or methane from your cow’s Uranus, but from misguided science research programs carried out by government military, with links to companies that also have climate change agendas.
  
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  January 14, 2020 2:00pm
- Stephieboy2
  
  Rubbish! as posted above,
  
  Greta Thunberg
  
  January 12 at 7:36 AM ·
  
  Some people have been asking who manages this page. First of all, since last spring I only use Facebook to repost what I write on my Twitter and Instagram accounts.
  
  Since I have chosen not to be on Facebook personally ( I tried early on but decided it wasn’t for me) I use my father Svantes account to repost content, because you need an account to moderate a Facebook page. The rest that is shared on Facebook is reposted from Twitter and Instagram by the guy who founded the Greta Thunberg Facebook page long before I knew it existed. His name is Adarsh Prathap and he lives in India. Since a lot of people thought it was my official page in the beginning I asked if I could co-manage it and he said yes.
  
  All texts posted on my Facebook page has of course been written by me, just like everything else.
  
  https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?id=732846497083173&story_fbid=1031956330505520
  
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  January 14, 2020 3:05pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    It’s drivel anyway even if adult ghostwritten.
    
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    January 14, 2020 4:27pm
    - chaos
      
      You’ll notice that post came about after they were discovered, covering up their conjob
      
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      January 14, 2020 5:20pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    Greta cannot string a sentence together without it being scripted and practiced. She is not articulate, and not spontaneous, and has very little soul.
    
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    January 14, 2020 5:25pm
hullkiwi

If Jacinda thought 8 weeks holiday would enable her to forget about how badly she did in 2019 and refresh her for 2020, she was wrong.

Being reported on the RNZ website this lunchtime is a nightmare (of Helen Clark proprtions) from 2019. It is reported that the Maori Council are going to the High Court to get the 2019 Waitangi Tribunal decision on Maori having Customary Rights over NZ’s fresh water validated http://www.rnz.co.nz

This has the potential to be the seabed all over again. Just what Hugzilla needed just before Waitangi and in election year. Oh dear tough!

Sorry, a duplicate post correcting a typo.
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January 14, 2020 1:18pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Sooner or later she will have to face all of the shit she is responsible for – and all the lies. Prob at the voting booth.
  Start writing your book now Jacinda, “Why I lost”
  Hillary is a guide
  
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  January 14, 2020 3:42pm
JackRabbit

Next it will be the very air we breathe. There is no end to this rort. Very greedy of the Maori Council, considering they are not the original inhabitants of New Zealand, for which evidence exists, including within Maori oral history itself, but history has been being re-written since the 1960’s.
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January 14, 2020 1:48pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  not the original inhabitants
  
  Fruitcake alert.
  
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  January 14, 2020 2:25pm
  - sooty
    
    Yes you are milky!
    
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    January 14, 2020 5:05pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    So what mikenmildagain, are you calling the earlier generations of Maoris liars? How dare you! How dare you desecrate the integrity of our Maori forefathers!
    
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    January 14, 2020 5:28pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      No, just you when you claim that there were human inhabitants here before Maori.
      
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      January 14, 2020 8:11pm
      - Tall Man
        
        https://redhairedroots.com/2018/08/new-zealand-the-land-of-hobbits-and-redheads/
        
        “The Evolution of the People of New Zealand The Evolution of the People of New Zealand Maori are not “tangata whenua” – there were prior inhabitants – Dr Ranginui Walker “The traditions are quite clear: wherever crew disembarked there were already tangata whenua (prior inhabitants).”
        
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        January 14, 2020 9:26pm
      - Tall Man
        
        http://tangatawhenua16.wixsite.com/the-first-ones-blog/start-here
        
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        January 14, 2020 9:34pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        mikenmildagain, since Maori were the ones who said it, as part of their oral history, I tend to believe it, along with the thousands of pieces of evidence collected over the years. Which of course you have to disbelieve and discredit with 110% certainty.
        
        So tell me mikenmildagain, what evidence can you provide that confirms with 110% certainty that people were not here before the Tahitian Maori? In this instance, it is very difficult to prove a negative, when you weren’t here. Do you have records of a life sign scan from your spaceship? Did you run a census? Did you travel the length and breadth of NZ, in the months prior? No, I though not.
        
        You see mikenmildagain, it is impossible to say with any degree of certainty that there was not a living soul in NZ before the Maori, unless you were here at the time and had conducted a thorough search. And when artifacts and evidence dating back thousands of years get discovered, it is hard to refute.
        
        It is the same argument about UFOs. Some people are insistent that they don’t exist, that they were squid boat lights or Venus. Having seen a few UFOs, and knowing that others have been photographed and captured on broadcast quality film, and tracked on NZ radar going really fast at high altitude, it is clear evidence that they exist. Squid boats do not fly, and Venus cannot enter our atmosphere, and neither can be tracked on radar. The truth is people that claim they don’t exist in the face of the hard evidence, do so because of fear of the unknown, or unconsciously fear their belief structures will collapse like a house of cards.
        
        This concept is also true for you and much of what happens on this blog. You don’t want it to be true.
        
        A true scientist (you are nothing of the sort) would be intrigued and want to know the truth, and have a sense of awe with the new discoveries. They would want to avail themselves of the evidence.
        
        But no, you are behaving like a one-eyed bigot only interested in discrediting the truth.
        
        Best to open both eyes now, before you become too heavily invested in your false belief structures that will eventually collapse.
        
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        January 14, 2020 10:38pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        And of course pakehā was a derivation of the term pakepakehā, which loosely meant the white man who came before us.
        
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        January 14, 2020 10:43pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        It makes me laugh to read some of the morons here sticking up for Maori oral ‘history’.
        Read a proper book, FFS.
        
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        January 15, 2020 7:34am
      - JackRabbit
        
        @mikenmildagain
        
        >>> “…It makes me laugh to read some of the morons here sticking up for Maori oral ‘history’.
        Read a proper book, FFS.”
        
        Well that’s a revelation. I didn’t know printing presses were here in NZ sitting waiting for the first canoes.
        
        A lesson in sequence mikey. The written word is derived from the spoke word and evidence. And there are plenty of books that document the evidence and artifacts going back thousands of years.
        
        So I can safely assume that by proper book, is a book that supports your ideas, not any contradictory ideas.
        
        And as for oral history? The entire Treaty of Waitangi and all payouts are founded on oral history, and CURRENT ownership. It is just that a number of tribes were very open about the existence of prior inhabitants that they conquered.
        
        It is you that is the moron.!
        
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        January 15, 2020 8:39am
  - Tall Man
    
    No need mikey we are already on to you as a resident fruit cake.
    
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    January 14, 2020 5:46pm
Chuck Bird

The following is a talk between James Shaw and Sean Plunket yesteday. It appears the the government is hoping to lock in the young vote.

New climate change curriculum: Lessons on Greta Thunberg and dealing with ‘scepticism’

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/01/new-climate-change-curriculum-lessons-on-greta-thunberg-and-dealing-with-scepticism.html
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January 14, 2020 2:02pm
- JackRabbit
  
  Getting ready to train the new “Hitler Youth”.
  In the future, NZer’s pushing Greta’s barrow of shit, will hang their heads in shame, much like the Germans, Russians, Trojans, and people of Hamelin did, wondering how did they become so gullible?
  
  Conned by a child, used as an untouchable figurehead, who was manipulated by her greedy father and an Indian film maker who tweeted pretending to be her. We already know that Greta is unable to conduct a two way conversation.
  
  Simple fraud from an Indian “Call Centre”.
  
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  January 14, 2020 3:56pm
Maggie Pie

Do stupid-lefties EVER have an original thought of their own?

‘Adhern supporters captured on CCTV lurking about Paper-Plus stores
turning around magazine covers’

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EOMBzX3VUAEPNJc?format=jpg&name=small
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January 14, 2020 2:15pm
chaos

First poll results are in

* Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison’s personal ratings have tumbled over his handling of the country’s wildfire crisis, adding to pressure on his government to shift course on its climate change policies.

Morrison has suffered an 8-point drop in his approval ratings since December, according to a Newspoll published by The Australian newspaper on Monday, and an 11-point increase in those dissatisfied with his performance.

The Liberal-National coalition government also lost its 4-point lead over the main opposition Labor party and now trails 49 per cent to 51 per cent.*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/118753559/australian-pm-scott-morrisons-ratings-tumble-over-handling-of-bushfire-crisis
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January 14, 2020 2:32pm
- Tall Man
  
  But what is the change over the poll prior to the election? That’s a fairer measure as they had it so wrong.
  
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  January 14, 2020 5:42pm
  - chaos
    
    I’d say 8 point drop isn’t bad considering the hammering he has got from the pretend woke people. Few weeks time after this is all over he will be back to normal and the woke people will be sitting there wondering why they couldn’t make the govt fall
    
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    January 14, 2020 6:48pm
chaos

Poor Canada.

* According to The Evening Standard, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has offered to pick up around half of the annual security cost for the family.

He “agreed taxpayers in his country should pick up the huge bill for the couple’s around-the-clock protection” while they are in the country.*

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12300283
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January 14, 2020 2:39pm
- JackRabbit
  
  With or without Canada giving protection, it is a given that they will have around-the-clock “surveillance” anyway.
  
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  January 14, 2020 5:39pm
  - chaos
    
    Which since they want out of it all is something they should be paying for.
    
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    January 14, 2020 5:57pm
    - Komata
      
      Chaos@1757
      
      And that is exactly the point! Despite all the ‘We’re leaving and just wanna be normal people’ wailing, these three are still in need of security and MEghan is in need of ongoing public adulation and adoration.
      
      Had they just quietly ‘faded away into the sunset’ and settled in Canadian suburbia, there would have been more respect and understanding, perhaps even sympathy, but MEghan doesn’t want that.
      
      She has bought into the whole ‘Disney Princess’ narrative and as a result (and as of right) expects the lower (mere), mortals, to continually admire her. Narcissism has been mentioned in that regard.
      
      Based on her previous performances and interaction with various family members and supposed best friends, I (and others as well) would give the relationship a year, before either the money runs out or another sugar daddy comes along.
      
      Harry does at least have flying skills so should be able to go into Helicopters as a pilot. MEghan is however another matter and I doubt she will do the ‘Mummy’ thing; it’s too boring and unexciting, and as a result a Nanny will appear to act as a surrogate; abandoned kids are in all societies.
      
      As I said, a year, but not much longer; narcissim is always highly destructive to those around the ‘sufferer’.
      
      Time will tell, pity the males in her life…
      
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      January 14, 2020 9:06pm
      - fernglas
        
        As brand ambassadors and social media influencers, with a reality TV programme, they should be able to pull down $20 mill a year without breaking sweat.
        
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        January 14, 2020 9:46pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        I think you are being overly harsh. I think Harry is delighted he has found a woman who has her own values, can think for herself, and that challenges him, rather than a royal doormat.
        
        Ask the women in your life, who would they prefer to be? And who would you prefer to marry? Kate or Meghan? I very much respect the Monarchy, but Harry and Meghan do not have a future in royalty, and being individuals, they would find it hard to fit into the formal cookie cutter life that was laid out before them. And certainly not with the very evident hypocrisy floating around aka Prince Andrew. Maybe they do not want to be there when the shit truly hits the fan.
        
        Harry has never had full closure about his mother’s death, and with Prince Charles firmly ensconced with Camilla, and always having been distance between Harry and his father (if he is his father), it would make it more difficult.
        
        I applaud the both of them, and I don’t think it is all about Meghan, despite what the tabloids hoping to boost ratings are inclined to print. I suspect that the tabloids play on things, including the lack of communication prior to the announcement.
        
        Prince Harry has balls, and has much better leadership qualities than William. He is more down to earth, outgoing, and open than William, who is more like Charles. I’d rather have Harry as king than William any day of the week.
        
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        January 14, 2020 11:12pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        If Meghan is a narcissist, then what does that make our Jacinda? The devil incarnate?
        
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        January 14, 2020 11:26pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      Sorry to burst your bubble chaos, but when the CIA or NSA conduct “surveillance” (you missed the gentle quote marks), they don’t want you to know about it, so sending you an invoice asking you to pay, would kind of defeat the purpose.
      
      In this case the “surveillance” will be British based on orders from the throne, but the same principle applies.
      
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      January 14, 2020 10:51pm
Happychappy

Well the media are doing there best to keep the Coalition in power at the next Election by making sure if it is not a story on Jacinda it someone else from the Government.
So today’s celebrity Politicain is Winston Peters and dog with several photos of the Deputy Prime Minister and his dog Beau on there holiday.

https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/14-01-2020/just-seven-heartwarming-pictures-of-winston-peters-and-his-dog-beau/
They are certainly going all out to get this Government re-elected again
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January 14, 2020 3:48pm
- JackRabbit
  
  Political leaders photographed acting normal with dogs and children will soften the hardest heart. All hail Winston.
  
  https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/786214/Adolf-Hitler-dogs-animal-lover-photos-soft-side-Nazi-propoganda-Austria
  
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  January 14, 2020 11:33pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Tell me again how he’s gong to lose to Biden …

https://www.tmz.com/2020/01/13/president-trump-standing-ovation-national-championship-game-lsu-clemson/?fbclid=IwAR1n2ogtS57PA9ZhAqbyUiBzaXzeJagp4yovPscMh1fW58_SWwViw3LLz-c
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January 14, 2020 3:49pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  * going.
  ffs
  
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  January 14, 2020 3:50pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Nah… gong was better.
    
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    January 14, 2020 4:54pm
MrTips

For those wondering about why an Indian connection to Greta, don’t forget the former head of the IPCC was Indian…..

and resigned amid sexual harassment allegations: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-31601122

I pitied her but now I’m really angry at how callously her parents are using her. She should be removed from them, its child abuse.
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January 14, 2020 3:54pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The former head of IPCC – Railway Engineer R. Pachuri was charged with sexual abuse/ harassment 4 years ago…
  
  but looks like his case has been put on a slow train to nowhere.
  
  https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/teri-sexual-harassment-case-court-orders-framing-of-charges-against-rk-pachauri-1339971-2018-09-14
  
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  January 14, 2020 6:44pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Must be a labour party connection in there somewhere Maggy.
    
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    January 14, 2020 7:11pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  She’s now rich, famous and has the pick of plum roles or schools. She”s won the lottery regardless of how she’s been manipulated, and with her mental issues this is a hugely better outcome than anyone would have reasonably hoped for her.
  
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  January 14, 2020 7:10pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    Unless money per se is the sole measure of success I’d say she’s been utterly ruined for life. Her Asperger’s / Autism issues have not been dealt with but nurtured and magnified, to the point where her soul individuality has been quashed and she has effectively become an automaton.
    
    Plus all that karma from manipulating the media, and brain washing people and impacting their outcomes. Her mental future is not all that bright. Her soul is going to suffer for a very long time.
    
    When you elevate people in positions of power that they end up abusing, it comes at a very high price. Power is a responsibility, not a sanction to manipulate and control. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
    
    In her case her mental disorders were manipulated by others, and she has become what Hans Asperger referred to as an autistic psychopath or “intelligent automata.” Very sad indeed.
    
    The more the world gives her attention and praise, the more obsessive she will get, and the more ingrained her issues will become, including the manifest hate she possesses for certain sectors of the West. From an indoctrination point of view, what has happened to her bears a striking similarity to what must have happened to Tarrant over his life, only the message is different.
    
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    January 15, 2020 9:09am
greybeard

My God, ‘Stuff’ is really getting bad.
Just a whole lot of social re-engineering junk, ‘climate change’ crap, sob-stories, half-truthful tales of woe, anti-Trump, anti-ScoMo, anti-National, it is really too much to take.
At least it is now 2020, and in a few months we, the silent majority, will make our feelings heard, we will vote, and we will rid ourselves of these crappy marxists in a big way.
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January 14, 2020 4:53pm
- Humble Capitalist
  
  They also got rid of their uptick/downticks which almost always showed commie’s comments taking a hammering
  
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  January 14, 2020 6:20pm
- rockape
  
  We can vote stuff out too,just vote with your wallet!
  
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  January 14, 2020 6:34pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    That’s what I always think when I read the whingeing about stuff, or whoever – just don’t read it if it upsets you so much.
    
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    January 14, 2020 8:00pm
    - cmm
      
      We taxpayers help fund Stuff…
      
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      January 15, 2020 6:41am
softail 1450

FFS,I was just watching ABC news and nearly choked on my beer when it was quoted ” the Irishman is the 2020 favourite for the Oscars best movie” FFUUUUUCCKK ,any person that has seen this flick all the way through deserves a medal because it in my opinion the worst movie ever made , even the “Turkey shoot” was more watchable.
Three washed out bitter old actors trying to relive their youth when they were under 50 years old, 4 times Deniro was was called “this kid”god help us because Hollywood wont.
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January 14, 2020 5:04pm
- chaos
  
  Don’t you know, crap movies, crap books, crap music is what wins the awards. Especially if they are woke.
  
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  January 14, 2020 5:55pm
  - Tall Man
    
    It was an awful lot of face pulling with a very disjointed story that could have and should have been better done…. but it wasn’t 😉
    
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    January 14, 2020 7:10pm
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  I managed nearly 45 minutes. Self indulgent dross. Waste of time.
  
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  January 14, 2020 6:41pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/parenting/118770420/tmati-coffey-and-husband-tim-smith-introduce-their-baby-boy-and-open-up-about-parenthood

Poor kid.
No mother to take the main rearing position.
These people are not normal.
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January 14, 2020 6:45pm
- Tall Man
  
  I guess using your baby “is” ok now…………. but only if your party is going down the shitter!
  
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  January 14, 2020 8:30pm
Gravelroad

So now we have TV1 on the 6pm news tonight desperately inserting our tourist Prime Minister into a story about the Australian bush fires.
I don’t want to see her grinning, smug face on tv being blatantly enabled in some celebrity based fashion to imply that Australia is lucky to have her there at the moment as it might encourage more tourism.
Has she no shame using a disaster in another country to electioneer here?
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January 14, 2020 7:41pm
- Tall Man
  
  ardern does disaster porn very well, providing there is a camera and a disaster available.
  
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  January 14, 2020 9:20pm
Fletch

Iran state TV sees at least 2 news anchors quit: ‘Forgive me for the 13 years I told you lies’ –

https://www.foxnews.com/world/iran-state-tv-news-anchors-quit
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January 14, 2020 7:43pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oslo Road deaths in 2019: 1

Number of children under 16 killed on Norway’s roads in 2019: 0

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/oslo-cut-road-deaths-to-one-in-2019-can-sydney-do-the-same-20200111-p53qmz.html
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January 14, 2020 9:09pm
kanaka99

Bugger this global warming – right now it’s colder than a frogs tit here in the eastern BoP.
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January 14, 2020 9:10pm
- chaos
  
  We are 12 degrees at the moment. If I go on metservice they claim we are currently 18, lol.
  
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  January 14, 2020 9:20pm
Hugh Pavletich

CALIFORNIA & TEXAS HOUSING … A STUDY OF CONTRASTS …

As California comes to grips with housing crisis, Texas real estate rises in 2020 … Patrick Sisson … Curbed

https://www.curbed.com/2020/1/14/21059177/texas-california-real-estate-housing-moving
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