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DRHILL

Extinction Rebellion has been classed as an extremist group in the U.K.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51071959
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January 12, 2020 8:04am
- MCos
  
  First sentence of that article
  “ Counter-terrorism police in south-east England have admitted an “error of judgement” after listing Extinction Rebellion as an “extreme ideology”.”
  
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  January 12, 2020 9:35am
  - Wangas Feral
    
    The main aims of the XR movement, according to it’s founders is the destruction of capitalism, white supremacy and the patriarchy – with some environmental stuff tacked on to hide their far left agenda from normies. But then again, that sort of agenda is mainstream left of centre nowadays so perhaps they are not extremists.
    
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    January 12, 2020 10:34am
  - mikenmildagain
    
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    Perhaps DRHILL has not got that level of reading comprehension.
    
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    January 12, 2020 10:41am
    - DRHILL
      
      Very mean mike, very mean….
      
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      January 12, 2020 11:16am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        [Mod: Time to stop the personal attack trolling mnm please.]
        
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        January 12, 2020 11:56am
    - Michael
      
      About time MOD’s.
      About time.
      
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      January 12, 2020 9:06pm
Maggy Wassilieff

A scathing article on Te Papa’s representation of science

https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/doomed-planet/2020/01/addled-in-aotearoa-those-climate-crazy-kiwis/
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January 12, 2020 8:16am
- KevO'Brien
  
  We going to need to fight back harder. The people are being paid by public money so we should expect truth not activism. They are damaging our children too with their falsity. This is fraud on the NZ population.
  
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  January 12, 2020 8:33am
  - Paulus
    
    I see that the school children are now to have instruction as devised by ??? Educationists on Climate Change and what to do about it – they still cannot vote until they are 18 years of age though.
    Sorry Labour and the Greens but keep on trying.
    
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    January 12, 2020 8:39am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      No, they will just grow up fearful.
      
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      January 12, 2020 5:53pm
  - mjw
    
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    So how about some acknowledgement of the facts from climate skeptics. The ABC has shown that just one percent of the bushfires are due to arson. And the chief of the firefighters has debunked the claims that green pressure or practice has contributed to fire risk.
    
    If you can’t withdraw the previous claims about arson and greenies, and acknowledge these truths, why should we take any other denialist claims seriously?
    
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    January 12, 2020 9:16am
    - DigNap15
      
      How about a practical solution to reduce the world’s temperature.
      Lets say you want to get Austrlia’s high temps down from 40 to 30degrees
      That’s a ten percent drop in world tempartures.
      So you think London and New York and Beiiing would like to be 10 degrees colder.
      
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      January 12, 2020 10:30am
    - Wangas Feral
      
      So lets take Australia back to the Stone Age as far as ‘carbon emissions’ go – ie – before colonization. How does that help stop bush fires in the next hundred years? or five hundred? it doesn’t – because everything Australia outputs is probably less that what China’s annual increase in output is.
      
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      January 12, 2020 10:37am
      - Batman
        
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        Playing ‘the other guy is worse’ is a fairly pointless activity when 75% of Australia’s power generation is coal and gas.
        
        They’ve got a lot of work to do before they can bitch about China.
        
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        January 12, 2020 10:40am
      - GJM
        
        There was an interesting article a few months ago, which naturally wasn’t published in Stuff. In short, if Australia disappeared so it was Terra Nullis again, with no people, the increase in Chines emissions would make up for all thr Australian emissions in 6 months.
        Deal with India and China first, then talk about the stuff lost in the noise – after you have proved there is a problem to solve in the first place and this is the best way to do it.
        
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        January 12, 2020 3:17pm
    - Vory v zakone
      
      Also from the ABC. And the ALARMISTS pile on. To defend the Kenyan? …
      
      https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-10/kangaroo-island-mayor-rebukes-barack-obama-bushfire-tweet/11858654?pfmredir=sm
      
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      January 12, 2020 7:38pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Hey, I resemble that URL!
  
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  January 12, 2020 8:35am
- Doc Holliday
  
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  Why don’t you walk away for the climate deniers’ dangerous lies and read some science?
  
  You know, the sort of stuff you find on sites offered by NASA, NOAA, NAS?
  
  Then take your arguments to climate scientists at realclimate.org ? Give Gavin Schimdt and Stefan Rahmstorf the benefit of your genius.
  
  Nah, you’re living proof: It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.
  
  Roll on the demise of the old fools slowing progress in reducing emissions. Can’t happen too soon.
  
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  January 12, 2020 8:54am
  - Tall Man
    
    Well then, you will obviously have no problem taking the climate challenge and winning the $10K put up by Maggy and her other scientist friends will you?
    
    And here’s another for you to collect.
    
    https://whyclimatechanges.com/challenge/
    
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    January 12, 2020 10:03am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    That’s why a twat like you has been so easily fooled. Carry on believing the hype, but when this guy (Mallen Baker) starts questioning the rhetoric, alarmists have problems on their hands.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVc-Y-mJ_uY
    
    Read the comments below the clip, there are some very good explanations on why CO2 increases will make small but insignificant temperature increases. The other thing is most sceptic comments are well reasoned where as alarmist just snipe. Bit like you.
    
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    January 12, 2020 10:26am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      There is serious doubt that CO2 is even a greenhouse gas!
      
      This neo-marxist takeover has gone too far.The politics are much more transparent than the faked science.
      Is there one member of the COL who is fit for the high office of executive government? It is not a beauty contest for ideologues.
      
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      January 12, 2020 1:50pm
- Kabull
  
  Hang on – weren’t museums established to show us our past? This who exhibition appears to be an attempt at foretelling the future. There is something fundamentally wrong with that approach. Te Papa should be ashamed to call itself a museum.
  
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  January 12, 2020 9:33am
  - lifesgood
    
    Kabull, I’ve never thought of it as a museum. I’ve been there several times since it opened and have always thought of it as a cross between a collection of curiosities and a theme park. As a “museum” it’s an embarrassment.
    
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    January 12, 2020 12:06pm
- Jack5
  
  Thanks Maggy, for pointing to Tony Thomas’s Quadrant article.
  
  Te Papa is more of a Disneyland than a museum, captured by the Woke like Christchurch’s $100 million library extravaganza, where books and reading are no longer the attraction.
  
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  January 12, 2020 11:11am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Actually, my spies have just informed me that all is not as dire as Tony Thomas paints.
    
    It appears that Te Papa’s “hockey stick” display does (or did) reference the Roman Warm Period, the Mediæval Warm Period & the Little Ice Age.
    But as the display is anomaly-based, it may have been misinterpreted by Tony Thomas.
    
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    January 12, 2020 12:20pm
G152

I’m waiting for the protests in Tehran against those who shot down a civilian airliner.
All those thousands who marched when Trump had a terrorist taken out appear to be unable to get out of bed to mourn their governments victims…
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January 12, 2020 8:23am
- All_on_Red
  
  Here you go
  https://mobile.twitter.com/amreen__rizvi/status/1216026187241144322
  
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  January 12, 2020 8:48am
  - G152
    
    OK that’s Twitter.
    Twitter is not the socalled media that demands we believe their slant and fake interpretations
    
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    January 12, 2020 9:28am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      So what’s ‘fake’ about this Radio NZ story, moron?
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/407118/iran-plane-crash-demands-for-justice-after-admission-jet-was-shot-down
      
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      January 12, 2020 10:05am
      - Michael
        
        Mods
        where are you?
        again he attacks someone….
        
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        January 12, 2020 9:09pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      There’s eight Videos of protests….
      *shrugs*
      
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      January 12, 2020 10:24am
- MCos
  
  You can read about it in the NYT
  
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  January 12, 2020 9:38am
  - mikenmildagain
    
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    Doesn’t suit the crazies’ narrative to admit that the ‘MSM’ is actually the most reliable news source.
    
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    January 12, 2020 10:05am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Trust in the media is declining.
      
      Trust in traditional media is perceived to have decreased over the past five years. This survey shows two main contributing factors: the prevalence of fake news and doubts about media sources’ good
      intentions.
      
      Your trolling is getting worse milky. Help is one psychotherapist away.
      
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      January 12, 2020 11:22am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Oh, it’s ‘trolling’ to point out the errors in others’ comments, is it?
        Yes, trust in traditional media has declined. That doesn’t mean that twitter and blogs are more trust worthy, does it?
        
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        January 12, 2020 11:59am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      They didn’t report the news. Reuters fed stories that were embroidered. Only later did Iran admit their error.
      I’m a little sceptical that we have been told the truth–this is war so confirmation is needed. The new story suits the USA as Boeing is on the ropes. A deal is not impossible.
      
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      January 12, 2020 2:01pm
- Ruahine
  
  I wonder who was on the plane that the Iranians wanted to get rid of. They were probably hoping they could pass off the missile strike as a US missile. The plan failed. At least they owned up. Not like their friend Vlad Putin.
  They had to of course. Nothing moves on this earth now without some intelligence satellite ‘seeing’. Google probably new about it very shortly after the US. Some of the Google Earth resolutions are extraordinary. Little bit different than missile signatures I realise but the technology out there is amazing.
  
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  January 12, 2020 9:54am
  - SGA
    
    I wonder who was on the plane that the Iranians wanted to get rid of.
    
    Elvis? An escapee from Area 51? Possibilities abound.
    
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    January 12, 2020 10:39am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Hilary’s emails?
      
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      January 12, 2020 10:54am
      - softail 1450
        
        MMA, A truthful fact from MMA. LOL.
        
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        January 12, 2020 3:24pm
    - Ruahine
      
      There were a number of Iranians on board who were returning to the US. Perhaps one of them or even two of them might likely to a US gov’t agency about something. Perhaps one of them had a sister-in law who’s brother had a friend who worked in the Iranian nuclear industry. Allah moves in mysterious ways.
      
      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/11/passengers-malaysian-plane-mh370-iranian-forged-passports
      
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      January 12, 2020 11:27am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Cool story, bro…
        
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        January 12, 2020 12:00pm
      - SGA
        
        If Iran wants to stop its citizens leaving the country, it doesn’t have to shoot down their airliners. They can arrest them at the airport.
        
        I suppose that you could concoct a scenario where they only realised that the person was on the plane after it had already taken off, and in the few minutes available they managed to contact someone with sufficient authority to order it shot down AND that just happened to coincide with the missile strikes into Iraq. Or, perhaps it was Elvis.
        
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        January 12, 2020 12:02pm
      - Ruahine
        
        Sorry wrong thread.
        https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-crash-canada-academia/empty-chairs-across-canadas-academic-community-after-iran-plane-crash-idUSKBN1Z82I9
        I rest my case.
        
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        January 12, 2020 12:12pm
      - SGA
        
        lol – which case?
        
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        January 12, 2020 1:36pm
  - rouppe
    
    I’d like like to know how those civilians just happened to be videoing that plane in the the dead of night, when the missiles hit…
    
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    January 12, 2020 11:03am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      This might explain some of the reporting:
      https://www.rt.com/op-ed/477875-iran-plane-crash-media-narrative/
      
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      January 12, 2020 2:03pm
- Peter S
  
  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/01/11/iran-protesters-take-streets-shooting-ukrainian-airliner/
  UK Telegraph
  
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  January 12, 2020 10:06am
- Sarkozygroupie
  
  https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Iran-News/Iranian-protesters-demand-Khamenei-quits-over-plane-downing-613857
  
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  January 13, 2020 12:00am
KevO'Brien

Excellent graphics showing Australian fires in 1974/1975 compared to now:
https://notrickszone.com/2020/01/11/forgotten-fact-1974-75-australian-bush-fires-were-more-than-9-times-greater-than-those-of-2019-20/
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January 12, 2020 8:23am
- krazykiwi
  
  Yup. And 74-75 was wetter and cooler. However the primary difference 45 years later is the presence of a far greater threat: Green activists
  
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  January 12, 2020 8:38am
- Humble Capitalist
  
  I remember when I was a kid Australia playing NZ in a cricket one dayer for Bushfire relief after 75 died in South Australia and Victoria. The only things I remember were Martin Crowe top scoring with 66 and that we lost
  
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  January 12, 2020 8:59am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    1983. I seem to recall it was a comeback for Crowe, who had failed in his debut test series, also against Australia in 1982.
    
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    January 12, 2020 9:07am
    - Humble Capitalist
      
      Correct he was just a kid thrown in the deep end to play his first test v Aus
      
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      January 12, 2020 9:18am
- krazykiwi
  
  Here is another view of the same data.
  
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  January 12, 2020 10:25am
JibberJabber

Live from Tehran.
https://twitter.com/_BrexitTory/status/1215633158093312000
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January 12, 2020 8:31am
Sacha

An old Cherokee told his grandson:
“My son, there is a battle between two wolves inside us all.
One is Evil. It is anger, jealousy,greed resentment, inferiority, lies and ego. The other is Good. It is joy, peace, love, hope, humility, kindness, empathy and truth. ‘
The boy thought about it, and asked: ” Grandfather, which wolf wins?”
The old man quietly replied: “The one you feed”.
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January 12, 2020 8:35am
- MrLovebucket
  
  Just like Left vs Right
  
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  January 12, 2020 9:18am
- softail 1450
  
  Sacha ,sounds like a quote from Longmire Sacha.
  
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  January 12, 2020 3:28pm
dave53

I’ve loved watching the Kiwi Wokes frantically denying Iran shot the Ukranian plane down, with many even claiming Trump or Israel did it.

God some people really live in a strange little bubble where reason doesn’t exist. What say them now?

Good on Iran for finally admitting they did it. Of course it was an accident. A terrible one. The truth often hurts but it is far, far better than a lie. Look at Putin still denying that his very own 53rd Anti-Aircraft Missile Brigade brought down MH17 with a Buk 9M38-series surface-to-air missile. The whole world knows this happened.

Had Putin admitted that monstrous mistake, he’d have earned the respect the Iranian regime now deserves and which I hope gets for what these days is an astonishing act of international honesty, even if delayed.
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January 12, 2020 8:41am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  I did not observe any Kiwis making such denials, let alone ‘many even claiming Trump or Israel did it’.
  
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  January 12, 2020 9:00am
  - Gravelroad
    
    A family member here yesterday said while s/he acknowledged that Iran state/people/terrorists were responsible for shooting down the plane, it was all Trump’s fault that they did it.
    No question.
    
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    January 12, 2020 9:18am
    - mikenmildagain
      
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      Not quite ‘many even claiming;, is it?
      We all know one or two idiots. We can even see them ranting on Kiwiblog, on occasion.
      
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      January 12, 2020 10:08am
  - cmm
    
    Because Trump is divisive… or something like that.
    
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    January 12, 2020 11:40am
- JibberJabber
  
  Now the narrative is, look what Trump made Iran do.
  An accident? yeah nah, plenty of other Airlines made it safely out of Imam Khomeini International Airport on that night on that same flight path.
  
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  January 12, 2020 9:00am
  - Inandout
    
    JJ, heard a Pom journalist say Iran was forced to act and shoot down that plane because Trump ‘pushed them to the limit’.
    
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    January 12, 2020 9:39am
  - SGA
    
    An accident? yeah nah, plenty of other Airlines made it safely out of Imam Khomeini International Airport on that night on that same flight path.
    
    Be sensible – most (all?) of those flights before the Iranians had launched their attack on bases in Iraq and were waiting to see if there was going to be an immediate retaliatory air strike. True?
    
    I can’t see any reasonable gain for Iran to deliberately shoot down a civilian Ukranian airliner immediately after delivering a fairly carefully gauged response to the US’s assassination of one of its generals.
    
    Sorry, this has major screw up written all over it.
    
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    January 12, 2020 10:27am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Nope, 4 other flights left after the missile strikes were launched and before the Ukrainian flight left, same flight path out of the airfield.
      
      The world is full of conspiracy theories, and some may even be correct. But I hesitate to ascribe to malice that which can be easily ascribed to incompetence.
      
      One interesting passenger was the head of a minor Ukrainian aircraft operator who seems to have been hip deep or more in arms smuggling from the Ukraine (a major source of arms) to various Middle East destinations. One of his aircraft was recently downed In Libya. Can’t easily imagine why one would shoot down an aircraft just to target him though.
      
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      January 12, 2020 12:46pm
- SGA
  
  I’ve loved watching the Kiwi Wokes frantically denying Iran shot the Ukranian plane down
  
  I’ve not seen such “frantic denials” (link?)- if they are out there, they must represent a small minority of Kiwi commentators.
  
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  January 12, 2020 9:40am
  - Ed Snack
    
    I can say I was originally not accepting it was shot down -until we had further information. I did think it seemed probable but not immediately obvious until further video evidence surfaced.
    
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    January 12, 2020 12:48pm
- All_on_Red
  
  https://babylonbee.com/news/everyone-on-internet-awarded-honorary-degree-in-international-affairs
  
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  January 12, 2020 1:53pm
Manolo

The relentless MSM pro-Ardern campaign goes on.
Read and puke.
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/new-zealand-prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-continues-her-australian-holiday-by-drinking-local-beers-and-wines-amid-calls-for-her-to-replace-embattled-australian-leader-scott-morrison/ar-BBYQRq1
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January 12, 2020 8:54am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  The Betoota Advocate is good at summing up the differences:
  https://www.betootaadvocate.com/world-news/australians-left-feeling-confused-after-seeing-a-prime-minister-
  
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  January 12, 2020 9:11am
  - Humble Capitalist
    
    Yep sums up St Jacinda nicely Mike. St Jacinda is good when the cameras are on eg. tears for Grace Millane in front of world media cameras apologising for letting this happen and no mention of the beheaded man in Petone (who also has a family) in the same week.
    Scomo is crap at it.
    
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    January 12, 2020 10:24am
  - Hollyfield
    
    It’s a bit hard to take a newspaper seriously when the first line of its editorial refers to people being “weirded out”. Written either by or for 12 year olds. Possibly both.
    
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    January 12, 2020 10:34am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Sorry, I should have added a satire alert for the hard-of-thinking.
      
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      January 12, 2020 10:44am
- Humble Capitalist
  
  This ongoing Aussies want Jacinda to take over from Scomo crap because some wide eyed MSM writer has read a couple of twitter feeds from Bill Shorten voters.
  Information from the same people that thought Labor had the Aus election in the bag
  
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  January 12, 2020 9:16am
- alwyn
  
  That must be fake news.
  After all we have a number of bush fires burning up on the East Coast and campers have been warned to evacuate.
  Surely St Jacinda wouldn’t be holidaying overseas while we are enduring such events?
  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/07/new-zealand-bushfires-flare-amid-fears-country-becoming-more-flammable
  
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  January 12, 2020 9:25am
- Inandout
  
  Manolo, most young people (or other ages) don’t inhabit news outlets so this may fall on deaf ears. I haven’t bought a paper or watched the local news for years. By the way, does Jacinda realise NZ society is slowly disintegrating?
  
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  January 12, 2020 9:45am
  - Tall Man
    
    “By the way, does Jacinda realise NZ society is slowly disintegrating?”
    
    More importantly, she doesn’t seem to care.
    
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    January 12, 2020 10:59am
  - Stephieboy2
    
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    “By the way, does Jacinda realise NZ society is slowly disintegrating?”
    
    Says whom?
    
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    January 12, 2020 11:06am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      I put my hand up.
      
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      January 12, 2020 2:08pm
    - Paulus
      
      Steph2
      
      Me, as an 80 year old New Zealander !
      
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      January 12, 2020 2:08pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Everyone except you, idiot.
      
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      January 12, 2020 5:12pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Read the comments section. No one wants her
  
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  January 12, 2020 9:52am
  - Stephieboy2
    
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    Only about 30-40 posters on KB
    
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    January 12, 2020 11:07am
    - kevn
      
      @septic2… Readers matter as well, not just posters.
      
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      January 12, 2020 11:52am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Oh yes, Kiwiblog is very influential…
        
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        January 12, 2020 12:01pm
      - Mummy
        
        I’m a reader and I want her gone.
        
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        January 12, 2020 2:17pm
    - Humble Capitalist
      
      Lets be fair Stephie the PM select did a fantastic job to add 11% to hopeless Andy’s useless policies more or less overnight. To think the people that cant stand Ardern and the NZ trade unions party is limited to 30-40 people sums up how away with the fairies you are
      
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      January 12, 2020 12:09pm
    - Alboy
      
      So that would be a ratio of 30-40 to 1 right
      
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      January 12, 2020 2:53pm
    - softail 1450
      
      septicboy2 30/40 matches your working brain cell count septic.
      
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      January 12, 2020 3:33pm
- cas
  
  Who is minding the baby?
  
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  January 12, 2020 9:55am
  - sooty
    
    The nanny of course!
    
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    January 12, 2020 12:21pm
- Happychappy
  
  That was always the agenda for the selfishness seeking out of her depth Prime Minister to combat the bad media she has been getting at home. She knows the overseas media hold her in high regard so you could bet Clark and Jacinda planned there holiday to suit the headlines.
  
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  January 12, 2020 10:00am
  - Paulus
    
    Damn fires stalled their PR holiday !
    
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    January 12, 2020 2:09pm
  - Sacha
    
    I am reminded of the Communist elites in the USSR who would holiday in their daschas on the Russian steppes . . . . . . .
    
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    January 12, 2020 5:01pm
- kloyd0306
  
  Would we notice if she stayed there?
  She found her level wrapping chips.
  
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  January 12, 2020 10:01am
- alloytoo
  
  I’ll settle for a straight swap.
  
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  January 12, 2020 1:01pm
Pete George

David Slack (Stuff): Is it hot enough for you yet?

We have just two choices, they both take us into the unknown, and we have to pick one: give up fossil fuels and move to sustainability, or remain unsustainable and live with the consequences.

We don’t have “just two choices”.

If we “give up fossil fuels” (and some go as far as saying or implying this should be immediate and total) the consequences would be enormous. Virtually no more flying. Virtually no more shipping. Drastically reduced private and public transport. Countries that rely a lot on on fossil fuels, like the US, China and Australia, would have extreme energy deficiencies, with no way of switching to electric transport to any degree.

The flow on effects of these changes alone would have a massive impact on our way of life – and would cost lives. We rely on fossil fuels for emergency services.

There would be massive impacts on food production and distribution.

Any sort of rapid change away from fossil fuels would cause far more problems than continuing on much as we are.

Slack has omitted the obvious choice – work towards alternative energy options as as quickly as we can – far more quickly than we are at present – but without putting civilisation on Earth at risk of catastrophic collapse.

https://yournz.org/2020/01/12/just-two-choices-fossil-fuels-or-sustainability-no/
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January 12, 2020 9:08am
- All_on_Red
  
  ‘but without putting civilisation on Earth at risk of catastrophic collapse.’
  Ahahahaha
  You just got to laugh at these Science Denying Catastrophists with their dramatic scaremongering
  Oh look, a new Paper showing ECS is below 2K
  https://judithcurry.com/2020/01/10/climate-sensitivity-in-light-of-the-latest-energy-imbalance-evidence/#more-25636
  
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  January 12, 2020 9:29am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Good read. The comments are informative too. Not much suppoort for Mann et al…..
    
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    January 12, 2020 10:33am
  - All_on_Red
    
    This Research supports the IPCC AR5 WG1 conclusion on climate sensitivity which is stated as:
    
    “Equilibrium climate sensitivity is likely in the range 1.5°C to 4.5°C (high confidence), extremely unlikely less than 1°C (high confidence), and very unlikely greater than 6°C (medium confidence)”
    
    Given there’s a whole ‘movement’ to keep any Temp rise under 2C you would think this should be seen as good news.
    
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    January 12, 2020 10:39am
  - Stephieboy2
    
    All on Red, the contributor Frank Bosse has some interesting company,
    
    https://www.facebook.com/133662869999306/posts/by-frank-bosse-and-prof-fritz-vahrenholt-no-tricks-zone-in-march-our-supplier-of/1862221753810067/
    
    Care to comment?.
    
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    January 12, 2020 11:01am
    - All_on_Red
      
      He didn’t write the Paper being discussed.
      You’re quite stupid aren’t you.
      Why don’t you write your own Paper explaining why you disagree.
      Might be in time for AR6
      LOL
      
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      January 12, 2020 11:22am
      - Stephieboy2
        
        Climate sensitivity in light of the latest energy imbalance evidence
        Posted on January 10, 2020 by curryja | 54 Comments
        by Frank Bosse
        
        Equilibrium climate sensitivity computed from the latest energy imbalance data.
        
        The Earth Energy Imbalance (EEI) is a key issue for estimating climate sensitivity.
        
        From your link. Please clarify?
        
        https://judithcurry.com/2020/01/10/climate-sensitivity-in-light-of-the-latest-energy-imbalance-evidence/#more-25636
        
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        January 12, 2020 12:36pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        From the link
        ‘A recent paper, Dewitte et al (2019), henceforth D19, derives changes in the EEI during the period 2000-2018, using data from the satellite CERES mission.
        They shift the CERES values so that their average matches an EEI estimate from another study that is based on in-situ ocean heat content (OHC) data from ARGO buoys, and drift-correct them.
        D19 concludes:
        “At first sight it seems surprising that the EEI is decreasing during a period of continued greenhouse gas emission.”
        
        A recent Paper…
        As I said. You’re quite stupid.
        
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        January 12, 2020 1:02pm
      - Stephieboy2
        
        Oh I see Frank Bosse quotes from a recent Paper within his article.
        
        How strange!
        
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        January 12, 2020 1:11pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Your lack of comprehension skills is legendary
        
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        January 12, 2020 1:52pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      You’re out of your depth.
      
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      January 12, 2020 2:11pm
- Humble Capitalist
  
  Yes we must stop fossil fuel use immediately including those 100,000 commercial flights per day globally. So many of the champagne sipping greenies I know love to glamourise their international travel on social media but theyre not part of that 100,000 per day number are they (40 million per year)?
  
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  January 12, 2020 9:40am
- DigNap15
  
  W
  How do you know that either of your choices would work?
  I have a third choice
  Just start reducing the world population, less resources needed.
  And my fourth choice – wake me up when you can prove the sea is rising by a metre in the next ten tears.
  
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  January 12, 2020 1:56pm
  - KH
    
    Why is the population overshoot problem so infrequently discussed?
    
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    January 12, 2020 9:23pm
secondcumming

Sky Poker didn’t start till 10 last night so watched a bit of the ATP out of Sydney.
The question I’ve go is, ” Does Nick Kyrgios have a string loose?” 😎
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January 12, 2020 9:25am
- Humble Capitalist
  
  Put a brain in Nick’s head and you have a top 4 player and multiple grand slam winner
  
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  January 12, 2020 10:26am
  - secondcumming
    
    No doubt about that HC. Although I somehow think if he played the same boring (but superb) tennis as *Bautista Agut* did, he may not fill the stadiums
    
    Just saying 😎
    
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    January 12, 2020 11:37am
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      Fine player and seems a nice guy Bautista-Agut but his game is hit flat backhand, hit flat forehand, hit flat backhand repeat
      
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      January 12, 2020 12:18pm
mikenmildagain

Very good article here about the New Zealand author of Might is Right a nineteenth century white supremacist screed that apparently influences some extremists still.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/118279410/white-supremacists-satanists-and-terrorists-the-true-story-of-nzs-hideous-virus-of-a-book
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January 12, 2020 9:28am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  But why run that article now?
  
  Mark wrote his book on Ragnar Redbeard a couple of years ago. – 2017
  
  The US shooting incident referred to by Stuff was in July 2019..
  
  It’s not a media beat-up to bolst the belief that NZ is overrun with “Far-right” white supremacists, is it?
  
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  January 12, 2020 10:22am
  - mikenmildagain
    
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    No it isn’t.
    
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    January 12, 2020 10:45am
    - Michael
      
      yes it is and you know it…..
      This is an election year for Princess and the NZPolice.
      
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      January 12, 2020 9:18pm
- The King
  
  A “white supremacist” who read a book by a supposed “white supremacist” in the early 19th century who supported Maori mass murderer terrorist Te Kooti.
  
  What the fuck am i even reading? This article is terrible journalism trying to pin a narrative to nothing relevant.
  
  It’s like they save these trash articles every time there’s a gun grab raid.
  
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  January 12, 2020 10:48am
- rouppe
  
  And he was a socialist
  
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  January 12, 2020 11:22am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Seems to have had a lot of mixed up views about all kinds of crazy stuff. Pity Kiwblog wasn’t around in the nineteenth century as an outlet for his ravings.
    
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    January 12, 2020 12:03pm
    - The King
      
      You haven’t even read Might is Right. Yet you feel compelled to call it “ravings”, is this because someone told you it was “ravings”?
      
      Genuinely interested in this cognitive dissonance.
      
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      January 12, 2020 12:25pm
      - rouppe
        
        No, he calls it ravings to displace attention from the fact that most of the evil people in history came from socialist roots
        
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        January 12, 2020 4:51pm
Doubledimp

Interesting to note, the wife of a US intelligence officer who killed a UK motorcyclist by driving on the wrong side of the road has had an extradition request submitted. The US State department has indicated they will not abide by it. Given that the US also does not extradite it’s military personnel to face other countries tribunals (the UK wants to prosecute some A10 pilots for incorrectly shooting up a convoy of theirs in Gulf War II), how long before other countries simply decide to take measures into their own hands at the time, rather than risk missing out on justice?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-51075235
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January 12, 2020 9:50am
Tall Man

So despite me asking for clarification from the mod who deleted my comments about Meaghan yesterday I have had no response.

A ccomment was posted showing a possible conversation between Harry & Meaghan so I added my own interpretation of what may have taken place, not flattering but certainly more likely than “artemisia’s” take.

That was blocked and my second comment expressing my opinion on that action was also blocked.

I then asked if we were now banned from having an opinion on Meaghan that differed from the mods opinion and that request went unanswered as below.

“artemisia
The couple have their reasons even if not very well handled in the eyes of the firm. I could imagine a conversation starting something like this –

Darling I love you and Archie to bits. But I had no idea how it would feel being ripped to bits by the media day in day out. I am falling apart, seriously, not sure how much longer I can do this. Help me.

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Tall Man
So we have to protect Meaghan now do we mods?

Two of my comments have been deleted that are certainly not controversial or off topic.

It has been widely reported that she expected that being a princess was going to be wonderful and she started throwing her weight around almost immediately, eg getting her security to “speak” to a man taking a selfie of himself as she was too important to be photographed.

So my casual observation was probably quite accurate and I find your censorship precious in the extreme.

I very much doubt Meaghan will ever read this blog so the threat of a law suit is highly unlikely so please explain why other discourteous comment about her are allowed yet my more humorous comment is not,

Thumb up 4 Thumb down 0 REPORTJANUARY 11, 2020 9:09PM”

Still waiting to find out if criticising Meaghan is off limits?

[Mod: this particular mod was not involved in the comments you mention. Criticism of Meghan is not banned.]
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January 12, 2020 10:16am
- Tall Man
  
  Thanks. I do not wish to be see as a constant critic of the moderation but I have mentioned before that some of the deletions seemed out of order based on the running instruction received initially so therefore some degree of consistency was required.
  
  I have been told to “grow up” by one mod and called paranoid when I expressed the opinion that one mod was gunning for me in particular yet it seems that the inconsistency could be the cause of this impression.
  
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  January 12, 2020 10:43am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  Snowflake.
  
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  January 12, 2020 10:45am
  - chaos
    
    Why do you have to be a dickhead? Tall man is simply trying to have a conversation with a mod to work out what is going on, no need for you to butt your stupid comments in troll
    
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    January 12, 2020 10:49am
  - Tall Man
    
    I think your characterisation of the mod is wrong and uncalled for but typical of your childish insults.
    
    They do a difficult job, sometimes a little slowly but all I am asking is for consistency.
    
    Both you and steffy continually breach the rules at a low level with inane and often irrelevant insults and these are allowed to pass and I have no issue with that, but to call a mod a “snowflake” is just a cheap shot.
    
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    January 12, 2020 10:57am
- Michael
  
  Lets see a list of the mods 1,2,3,4
  and when they are on duty so we can complain to DPF about mod1 or mod2 etc then…….
  
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  January 12, 2020 9:20pm
chaos

The brainwashing of the youth continue

* A new tool for schools will help children understand how to live with climate change, and also how they can make a difference.

Climate Change Minister James Shaw and Education Minister Chris Hipkins announced Sunday that texts, videos and guidance for teachers will be available to all schools, following a pilot programme at Christchurch’s South New Brighton School in 2018.

Climate Change – prepare today, live well tomorrow, would help students understand the effects of climate change on a local, national and global scale, Hipkins said.*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/118703882/climate-change-education-resource-to-be-in-schools-in-2020
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January 12, 2020 10:29am
- krazykiwi
  
  Yes, this is brainwashing. Quasi-religious dogma dressed up as science.
  
  I’ve never supported a political party over a single issue, by the party that takes on the climate change scam directly would enjoy my unquestioning support.
  
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  January 12, 2020 10:49am
  - DigNap15
    
    The New Conservatives policy is to pull out of the Paris Accord
    And to let farmers and business get on with their jobs
    
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    January 12, 2020 1:52pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  This needs close review. The UK courts blue pencilled some activist material for children.
  
  We don’t elect government to indoctrinate children against their parents judgement and teaching. CC is like a religious issue to some zealots. That does not give them the right to promote one sided views to children. Their teaching may also impinge on their pupils health.
  Teachers are in loco parentis, not owners. They could be legally liable.
  
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  January 12, 2020 2:21pm
krazykiwi

Protests in Iran, and an admission:

Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC), in a rare step, apologised to the nation and accepted full responsibility for the plane crash.

Senior Guards commander Amir Ali Hajizadeh said he had informed Iran’s authorities on Wednesday about the unintentional strike, a comment that raised questions about why officials had publicly denied it for so long.

Speaking on state television, he said he wished he “could die” when he heard the news about the incident.

Hopefully local Iranian’s can help Hajizadeh with his wish.
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January 12, 2020 10:32am
- Stephieboy2
  
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  That’s a positive step much like President Reagan’s comminique of regret to the Iran Gaovernment for the downing of Iran Air Flight 655 ( killing all 260 on board !)
  
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  January 12, 2020 10:45am
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Hi fellow KBers.
  I’m not sure if the “like” or “dislike” function of KiwiBlog always work to express KB’s real intention.
  
  For example, when crazykiwi said “Hopefully local Iranians can help Hajizadege with his wish” and you up-tickted that statement did you agree that someone who expressed remorse about what happened should die or did you up-tick crazykiwi’s blog entry?
  
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  January 12, 2020 8:06pm
chaos

Knowing how cold our summer has been down here I’m starting to wonder if we are due for a bad winter this year. Hmmm, might be time to get a few extra supplies

*At least nine people have died, more than 1000 flights have been cancelled and hundreds of thousands are without power in seven US states as a massive winter storm system dumped snow, freezing rain and hail.

Hurricane-force wind gusts, golf-ball-sized hail and five to 13 centimetres of snow fell on Friday night and early Saturday as storms pushed from Texas through the southeast and Great Lakes into Maine.

More snow was expected through Sunday in parts of Illinois, Michigan, northern New York and New England, the National Weather Service said.*

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2020/01/nine-dead-1000-flights-cancelled-in-severe-us-winter-storm.html
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January 12, 2020 10:33am
- Sydney Alvarado
  
  I am not sure where you live. In December the whole of the North Island had above average temperatures, in some cases well above average. But parts of the South Island were slightly below average.
  
  This followed the hottest November in New Zealand for more than a century.
  
  I think you will find that when summer is over, the data will show it as above average for most of the country.
  
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  January 12, 2020 10:52am
  - chaos
    
    I don’t really care what the average shows, what matters is that people here still have their fires going at night time because it has not been a warm summer. Still getting snow on the hills, because it has not been a warm summer.
    
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    January 12, 2020 11:16am
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘for more than a century.’
    Is that before or after NIWA applied ‘Homogenisation’ to the datasets?
    
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    January 12, 2020 11:34am
  - Scott
    
    Sydney – Queenstown is cool this week. Been here on holiday. Milford Sound was very cold yesterday.
    According to the locals it’s not been a good summer.
    
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    January 12, 2020 12:08pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    NZ gets hotter as NIWA drops the base lines.
    
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    January 12, 2020 2:24pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Cold weather is a bigger killer than heat.
  https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=188581
  
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  January 12, 2020 11:41am
  - Stephieboy2
    
    MW, I would think especially with extreme weather events we are experiencing these days!
    
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    January 12, 2020 12:15pm
- KH
  
  Cold and disappointing summer here in Central Otago – so far.
  Today it’s good and the forecast is for a gradual return to hot and dry.
  Usually here it’s stinking hot and also dry.
  
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  January 12, 2020 12:13pm
  - chaos
    
    Yeah, we are 18 At the moment, this time of year we’d normally be in the 30s if not up around 40. But it’s been a few years since we had a decent warm summer now
    
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    January 12, 2020 1:00pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It’s 30C outside today and I’m slow-roasting a hunk of pork!
    
    (seemed like a good idea when I bought it on special a few days back)
    
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    January 12, 2020 1:40pm
    - chaos
      
      Ok, I’m jealous again.
      
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      January 12, 2020 1:54pm
DigNap15

From now onwards I will be referring to our government as a Socialist Regime

Jackboots coming up your dive.
Internet access denied.
Brainwashing our children – new curriculum
Sounds like East Germany to me.
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January 12, 2020 10:34am
- Stephieboy2
  
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  And who will be chief of the Stasi?
  
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  January 12, 2020 10:42am
  - freethinker
    
    The Bush Kommander until someone with even more left wing leanings is appointed.
    
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    January 12, 2020 1:08pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Andrew Little helped by Stuart Nash
    
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    January 12, 2020 1:51pm
- mikenmildagain
  
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  OMG – my internet access has just been cut, and I can hear a knock on the front door. Must be the Stasi…
  
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  January 12, 2020 10:47am
  - Inandout
    
    m&m, please don’t get our hopes up by saying your internet has been cut.
    
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    January 12, 2020 10:58am
  - chwaga
    
    My internet was mysteriously turned off on wednesday and I can get no explanation for it. Took 3 days to get it back. Must have been those devious photos on Instagram of the dust from Australia or that of the grandchildren playing on the beach. The Stasi have certainly been at work
    
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    January 12, 2020 11:19am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      They’re hiding in your garden right now, watching you.
      
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      January 12, 2020 12:04pm
      - Prince
        
        Are you sure they are not Chinese spies putting up election placards ?
        
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        January 12, 2020 4:04pm
  - softail 1450
    
    MMA ,More likey a debt collector if you are paying your bills with the amount of likes you get on KB.
    
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    January 12, 2020 3:41pm
rouppe

The media are at it again. Trying to turn someone who is described as a democratic socialist as a right wing inspiration (since all “White supremacists” are right wing, apparently).
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January 12, 2020 10:49am
Odakyu-sen

The Iranian missle crew (based near Tehran Airport) shoots down a departing airliner.
I find this incredible.
– The aircraft is vacating (outward bound)
– No one seems to have warned the airport of the state of heightened alert

I believe that the missile crew are the “hardworking but stupid” type of man.

“I distinguish four types. There are clever, hardworking, stupid, and lazy officers. Usually two characteristics are combined. Some are clever and hardworking; their place is the General Staff. The next ones are stupid and lazy; they make up 90 percent of every army and are suited to routine duties. Anyone who is both clever and lazy is qualified for the highest leadership duties, because he possesses the mental clarity and strength of nerve necessary for difficult decisions. One must beware of anyone who is both stupid and hardworking; he must not be entrusted with any responsibility because he will always only cause damage.” –Kurt von Hammerstein-Equord
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January 12, 2020 11:56am
- JibberJabber
  
  Maybe perusal of the passenger list may shed some light on this tragedy?
  
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  January 12, 2020 12:06pm
JibberJabber

So Phoenix isn`t going to stop flying around in jet aircraft but he is going to alter his diet. ?
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1215685904687300609?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

How amazing is to be so fucking woke, all semblance of self-awareness of hypocrisy has evaporated.
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January 12, 2020 12:03pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Someone has to convince all the folks who attended the last Climate-Change fest that it’s not cool to be eating beef burgers.
  
  Harrison Ford didn’t have much effect on them.
  
  https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/01/10/cop25-hypocrites-line-up-for-beef-burgers-while-lecturing-us-on-the-climate-dangers-of-meat/
  
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  January 12, 2020 12:29pm
- MrTips
  
  Lol. That guy Tom @boreguru very nicely and succinctly skewers Phoenix and all other climate change idiots.
  
  I hope his temp anomaly chart indicates a warming period for us. Bloody rubbish this summer is so far.
  
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  January 12, 2020 1:56pm
chaos

Looking at the numbers it looks like Me-gain was never really liked

* The Queen has been treated “shoddily” by Harry and Meghan and should not ask them to stay in the UK, the British public believes.

A Daily Mail poll also suggests there will be deep anger if the couple keep their titles and privileges while effectively quitting as royals and moving to North America.

A majority said Harry, 35, and Meghan, 38, should be evicted from their Windsor cottage and be made to pay back the £2.4 million (NZ$4.7million) of public money spent on refurbishing it.

Meghan is responsible for the couple’s decision, with just 4 per cent saying it was Harry.

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The poll reveals that both the duke and duchess have paid a heavy price in popularity since making the announcement on Wednesday night.

Meghan’s public rating is now a net minus 2 per cent, down 22 points in three months. She is in a lowly 10th place among the royals, below Sophie Wessex.*

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12299680
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January 12, 2020 12:06pm
krazykiwi

No words:

Fifty years ago, I concluded that the best thing for the planet would be a peaceful phase-out of human existence. We’re causing the extinction of hundreds of thousands of other species. With us gone, I believe ecosystems will be restored and there will be enough of everything. No more fighting over resources. The idea wasn’t as well received as I had hoped.

Knight could have shown us the way.

And as for “no more fighting over resources”, this is presumably because plants and animals have already attained a higher plain where love, sharing, moonbeams and unicorns abound.

I’m glad this chap never bred.
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January 12, 2020 12:24pm
- MrTips
  
  What a sad miserable selfish old sod.
  He really did drop into the loony pool early on.
  
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  January 12, 2020 1:58pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jCkKDrYka8
Draft problems at NPCU.
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January 12, 2020 12:29pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4krzVkaViMs

Some Iranians did something.
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January 12, 2020 12:29pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I56z-NoVjtc

Can Taiwan Bring Democracy to China? | Huang Kuo-chang
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January 12, 2020 12:30pm
Maggy Wassilieff

UK Ambassador to Iran arrested in Tehran.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51077897
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January 12, 2020 12:35pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  It’s not good behaviour for ambassadors to join domestic protests. I believe there are international rules about that.
  Would we like a diplomat to come and visit and join street demos?
  
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  January 12, 2020 2:32pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Seems Climate Change isn’t a great concern for US citizens.

https://nofrakkingconsensus.com/2020/01/06/decades-of-public-opinion-climate-change-not-on-the-radar/
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January 12, 2020 12:43pm
- Harriet
  
  “….Seems Climate Change isn’t a great concern for US citizens…..”
  
  As it shouldn’t be for everyone else in the west as our pollution has been reducing, and continues to do so.
  In other words – getting on with life in general now contributes less carbon to the atmosphere. That’s now our PATTERN OF BEHAVIOUR.
  
  There is nothing wrong with fracking, coal or anything else, as it is also about what one is using the energy for, not to mention that hydro, wind and sun continue to gain market share.
  
  NZ getting all it’s energy from a nuclear power facility makes bugger all difference to the climate. More so a moo cow tax.
  
  Greta needs to learn Chinese. Jacinda too. 😎
  
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  January 12, 2020 2:35pm
mikenmildagain

Spoiled baby claims he deserved the Nobel:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-51063149
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January 12, 2020 12:47pm
- MrTips
  
  Actually, you could be a good candidate mnm. Your ability to calm situations, provide reasoned commentary and bring peace to this blog is well known.
  
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  January 12, 2020 2:03pm
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    Not my objective, but I’m always happy to help.
    
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    January 12, 2020 5:52pm
projectman

An open letter to Greta Thunberg.
by Jason D. Hill, professor of philosophy at DePaul University in Chicago, and a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the David Horowitz Freedom Center.

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2019/11/open-letter-greta-thunberg-jason-d-hill/?fbclid=IwAR00hm7tGXoc8UZJqPLLMMYLS9_O_u-CdgB1D1q_M511FEalpqK211kdfsY#.XhF_tohN-iT.facebook
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January 12, 2020 1:12pm
- All_on_Red
  
  (Triggered Stephie frantically searches Facebook, RationalWiki and Amazon Book reviews for negative comment on Professor Hill and his friends)
  
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  January 12, 2020 1:57pm
  - Stephieboy2
    
    Triggering whom? Amsuing how Greta so easilyt gets up Horowitz’s and your goat!
    
    Why and how?
    
    Best of 2019: Why old men are triggered by Greta Thunberg
    
    “..Thunberg’s passion for change seems deeply triggering for many older men.
    
    It has prompted an aggressive backlash on social media and from some conservative commentators.
    
    That depth of feeling about Thunberg isn’t surprising to me – but it is a little embarrassing.
    
    I recognise the appeal of conservatism. It is like a warm blanket. It provides an almost religious comfort for those who enjoy the status quo.
    
    Its arguments encourage us to relax, stop worrying, shed any burden of guilt.
    
    I am middle-aged and privileged enough to be lazy about social change.
    
    But on balance I’m glad that young people are getting politically fired up.
    
    So if you are a male of certain age, if you feel angry and antagonised by what young people are doing and saying, maybe it’s time to stop and take a moment to think about what it is that specifically upsets you….”
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12297567
    
    And as if she actually cares!
    
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    January 12, 2020 9:31pm
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      Triggered you bigly huh
      
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      January 12, 2020 11:12pm
tedbear

If Australia were to cease using fossil fuels oil and coal from tomorrow their average temperature will drop two degrees and there’ll be no bush fires next fire season.
Right. Fixed.
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January 12, 2020 2:18pm
- softail 1450
  
  tedbear ,no there would be just as many blazes but the temp of the flames would be two degrees cooler and saving the planet from ruin.
  
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  January 12, 2020 3:50pm
tedbear

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/406354/us-has-highest-number-of-mass-killings-on-record-in-2019

Climate change strikes again.
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January 12, 2020 2:20pm
- Stephieboy2
  
  tedbear, all fingers point to this gutless wonder. From your link,
  
  “Trump backtracks after calling for better checks on gun owners
  
  In August, following deadly attacks in Dayton, Ohio, and El Paso, Texas, President Donald Trump said “serious discussions” would take place between congressional leaders on “meaningful” background checks for gun owners.
  
  But Trump quietly rowed back on that pledge, reportedly after a long phone call with Wayne LaPierre, the chief executive of the National Rifle Association – a powerful lobby group which opposes gun control measures.
  
  Speaking to reporters after the call, the president said the US had “very strong background checks right now”, adding that mass shootings were a “mental problem..”
  
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  January 12, 2020 9:34pm
Jack5

In case there’s been no earlier reference …

New Zealand’s Censor, David Shanks, who describes himself as the last Censor in the Western world, is interviewed in the Guardian.

A sample:

“You’ve got to protect freedom of expression,” he [Shanks] says. “You’ve got to protect this vital ability to have opinions, to spread them, to access information of any kind.”

The only reason to diverge from that principle, ever, he says, is to prevent harm – something he consults groups ranging from medical experts to high school students about.

Does this mean that it’s not just Shanks we have as a censor, but anonymous panels he consults?

And is “prevention from harm” a justification for censorship?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/10/im-the-last-censor-in-the-western-world-new-zealands-david-shanks-tackles-the-c-word
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January 12, 2020 2:34pm
- Ruahine
  
  Typical mealy mouthed claptrap. Perfect representative of the bullying dictatorial Coalition of Losers.
  
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  January 12, 2020 7:37pm
- GJM
  
  So how does banning Tarrents manifesto fit in here, or is he playing games and in fact protecting the police brass and Jacinda is his job?
  
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  January 12, 2020 9:43pm
Manolo

Who is the warmonger?
http://www.imolaoggi.it/2017/01/07/nel-2016-gli-usa-hanno-sganciato-26171-bombe-in-7-paesi-del-mondo/
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January 12, 2020 3:05pm
- Stephieboy2
  
  Manolo , Trump now has the honour,
  
  US drops largest non-nuclear bomb ever in Afghanistan
  
  “The Pentagon said U.S. military forces dropped the largest non-nuclear bomb in Afghanistan on Thursday.
  
  This is the first time the GBU-43 bomb, known as the “mother of all bombs,” has ever been used in combat, according to Adam Stump, the Pentagon spokesman. The bomb contains 11 tons of explosives and is formally known as the Massive Ordnance Air Blast (MOAB) bomb….”
  
  https://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/13/us-drops-largest-non-nuclear-bomb-ever-in-afghanistan.html
  
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  January 12, 2020 9:38pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Its a “loverly” Bomb. Here is how it works.
    
    “The main attribute of the MOAB is that it causes overpressure,” “Overpressure” is a term for the sharp spike in air pressure that a bomb causes. That change in pressure moves away from the bomb in a wave in all directions. Any mines, tunnels, or human bodies caught in the blast would be unrecognizable after it passed.”
    
    Good.
    
    https://www.businessinsider.com.au/moab-airburst-bomb-explanation-2017-4?r=US&IR=T
    
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    January 12, 2020 10:17pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Did a great job too!
    
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    January 12, 2020 11:03pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Iran accidently shoots down a 737 thinking is was a missile, and wants nuclear weapons?
What is wrong with this picture?
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January 12, 2020 3:41pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I’m still thinking the Ukrainians on that plane were involved in Burisma and knew too much. Iran does not give a fuck about collateral damage
  
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  January 12, 2020 3:43pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    It had the DNC’s missing server on board, doncha know?
    
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    January 12, 2020 5:49pm
  - Stephieboy2
    
    Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yet another WH Conspiracy Theory in the making ?
    
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    January 12, 2020 8:12pm
- The King
  
  America shot down a civilian plane, it has nukes, what’s the difference?
  
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  January 12, 2020 3:45pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    How do you expect Steve, of all people to be able to answer questions like that?
    
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    January 12, 2020 5:50pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Hello CNN reporter
    
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    January 12, 2020 6:14pm
Jack5

Taiwan has reaffirmed its stance on independence from China in the Presidential election.

President Tsai Ing-wen, the pro-independence candidate, defeated her main rival, Han Kuo-yu, who favoured warmer links with Beijing.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3045714/entangled-us-china-taiwan-relations-likely-just-got-more
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January 12, 2020 4:34pm
Fletch

Iranians take to the streets, protesting against their own regime and Soleimani.

Fars reported on Monday that hundreds of Iranians – a crowd of up to 1,000 in Tehran – responded to the news with protests. The Iranian people entered Saturday already mourning the death of over 50 people in a stampede at a mandatory funeral for Soleimani. NBC News identified at least five other major urban centers – Isfahan, Hamadan, Sari, Rasht, and Babol – as also experiencing protests. Many congregated around university campuses.

The crowds, images of which appeared on social media Saturday, chanted slogans against the regime, urging Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei to step down and tearing up photos of Soleimani. Videos reportedly showed “death to the Islamic Republic” and “death to the dictator” among the chants.

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2020/01/11/iran-protests-soleimani-uia-ukraine-flight/

It looks like Trump’s actions are also having a positive flow-on effect, with Trump tweeting his support –

To the brave, long-suffering people of Iran: I’ve stood with you since the beginning of my Presidency, and my Administration will continue to stand with you. We are following your protests closely, and are inspired by your courage.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 11, 2020

Contrast this with Obama, who let Iran’s Green Revolution fail.
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January 12, 2020 5:18pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Why is Trump encouraging the Iranians to develop nuclear weapons?
  
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  January 12, 2020 6:03pm
- MCos
  
  I’ll tell you this right now.
  If there is some sort of popular uprising in Iran there’s no way America will get involved other than thoughts and prayers.
  You might recall when an alternative president popped up in Venezuela it all fizzled out despite verbal backing from America and plenty of others.
  America does get involved helping out those perceived as the good guys in other countries civil wars, but it always seems to wind up a mess. Libya, most recently
  
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  January 12, 2020 9:05pm
chaos

Climate News January 6, 2020

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRr-Qg2-AWs
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January 12, 2020 6:01pm
- chaos
  
  Hiding 230 Years Of Global Heatwaves
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvdivKMRrZs
  
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  January 12, 2020 6:10pm
JibberJabber

Smoked fish?
https://twitter.com/NewshubNZ/status/1216185528455966720
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January 12, 2020 7:13pm
rightoverlabour

On a lighter note

http://joannenova.com.au/2020/01/quick-dick-mcdick-explains-to-protestors-the-secret-of-vegan-margarine/

Enjoy
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January 12, 2020 7:32pm
rightoverlabour

Specially for Stephieboy and his ilk….

Hide The Decline: A Climategate Backgrounder

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_8xd0LCeRQ
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January 12, 2020 7:46pm
- Stephieboy2
  
  rightoverlabour, three climate gate myths that have not aged well,
  
  https://skepticalscience.com/3-climategate-myths-not-aged-well.html
  
  In other words climate gate as presented by Dr John Robson is false!
  
  DR. JOHN ROBSON
  
  John Robson holds a Ph.D. in American History from the University of Texas at Austin….
  
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  January 12, 2020 9:49pm
jonnycomelately

This is a doozy. 4000 people have signed a petition for our PTPM to invite 1000,s of koala bears to immigrate to NZ after being ravaged by bush fires. I wonder how that will affect our Visa free border.
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January 12, 2020 8:59pm
- Stephieboy2
  
  Creating a sanctuary for them here seems agood idea worth exploring.
  
  Thanks in part to climate change deniers their habitats have become ravaged by bush fires killing hundreds,
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/nov/26/koala-factcheck-australian-bushfires-survival-species-at-stake
  
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  January 12, 2020 9:42pm
- MCos
  
  They are not bears
  
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  January 12, 2020 9:49pm
rightoverlabour

Climate Predictions. How accurate have they been? Here’s the Canadian experience….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR6wds_ly2s
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