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Maggie Pie

THEY ARE US 😀

Who said…
“I’m on it bro. I’m on it bro.
WHANAU. WHANAU BRO!
Bro I have a plan”

Was it…
1. Richie Hardcore
2. Alex Swney
3. Kris Faafoi
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December 6, 2019 8:05am
- Yvette
  
  Maggie – 4. Or Lees-Galloway, while not reading the Karel Sroubek file
  
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  December 6, 2019 8:29am
- Aunty
  
  It’s the Pacific way, bro. It’s all about te family and making sure they get their fair share……………..
  
  That’s the Cabinet Manual rule, right?
  
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  December 6, 2019 9:32am
JibberJabber

You can`t keep a good meme down….
https://twitter.com/RyanAFournier/status/1202441416506531841
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December 6, 2019 8:06am
mikenmildagain

Happy st Nicholas’s Day!

Old Nick was a fine fellow indeed. During a terrible famine, a malicious butcher lured three little children into his house, where he killed them, placing their remains in a barrel to cure, planning to sell them off as ham. Nicholas, visiting the region to care for the hungry, saw through the butcher’s lies and resurrected the pickled children by making the sign of the cross.
Due to the many medieval depictions of this scene, St Nick became the patron saint of coooers and brewers, but not of butchers.
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December 6, 2019 8:07am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Do you mean Coopers?
  
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  December 6, 2019 8:49am
  - Tall Man
    
    No, I think he meant cooers……
    
    https://www.dictionary.com/browse/cooer
    
    I think he’s lost the plot lately.
    
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    December 6, 2019 9:50am
- JackRabbit
  
  Do you have any stories about the white man coming to NZ and putting an end to Maori / Moriori heads on a stick?
  
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  December 6, 2019 9:50am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    This guy’s story?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiremu_K%C4%ABngi_Maket%C5%AB
    
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    December 6, 2019 11:18am
  - mark15
    
    No.Never written down…
    
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    December 6, 2019 12:08pm
    - MH
      
      who ate the orator-who ate up all the macrons?
      
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      December 6, 2019 1:16pm
- The King
  
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  December 6, 2019 12:05pm
  - The King
    
    These posts were up before what’s your problem mod?, there was nothing in the rules this post violated. Sort your emotions out.
    
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    December 6, 2019 5:18pm
    - calendar girl
      
      I never got to see the post(s) in question. Nor am I now in a position able to make a judgment as to whether the action taken was reasonable, or whether the provider of the relevant comment has been deprived unreasonably of his / her “freedom of speech”. No reason (or even a hint of a reason) provided for deletion of of the 12:05 comment; all a bit worrying.
      
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      December 6, 2019 9:00pm
Tony Stuart

Kris Faafoi, eh…

Gee, when Maurice Williamson made an error of judgment and rang the Police to enquire about a friend who had been arrested, no fewer than FOUR Stuff journalists wrote the story of his resignation.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/9996560/Maurice-Williamson-resigns-over-police-call

This morning though, Faafoi’s ham-fisted attempt to hasten an immigration matter for Jason Kerrison, in clear breach of the Cabinet Manual, doesn’t even rate a mention.

It’s sad though. Just when we thought Labour might have had a Minister who was competent and above dodgy back-room deals, we find that Faafoi does favours for his mates, and has clay feet, just like the rest of them.
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December 6, 2019 8:08am
- hullkiwi
  
  After a good day yesterday, seems (& if reports are to be believed) Mr ‘hard working minister’ has overstepped his ministerial authority for a close friend.
  
  What an idiot. Or is yet another example of a CoL minister and their arrogance.
  
  Will Jacinda act, or will the media noise build?
  
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  December 6, 2019 8:12am
  - RightFirstTime
    
    Will Jacinda act? Surely you jest.
    
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    December 6, 2019 9:52am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Of course, she’ll act only if she has no other option and her position is in danger.
      
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      December 6, 2019 4:17pm
- JibberJabber
  
  Lol, running on twitter #Farfoiked
  
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  December 6, 2019 8:12am
- sooty
  
  Well he learn’t nothing from Clare Curran!
  Corruption here, there every where!
  The most corrupt government in NZ history!
  
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  December 6, 2019 8:14am
- hullkiwi
  
  It was on RNZ though, and the noise will build. What an entitled idiot!
  
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  December 6, 2019 8:15am
  - Zapper
    
    If you’re referring to Kerrison, I agree.
    
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    December 6, 2019 8:44am
    - Tall Man
      
      Both.
      
      labour mp’s and hangers on seem to believe they are the chosen ones……..
      
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      December 6, 2019 9:51am
- Simon
  
  Bro bro bro I have a plan don’t worry. But bro don’t tell anyone because it’s bent as fuck.
  
  Awwwww Brooooo!
  
  In the future the say AI will take over many jobs. AI could start in Wellington right now.
  
  Faafoi could be replaced by a vending machine because that’s the level he’s operating at.
  
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  December 6, 2019 8:36am
  - sooty
    
    Faafoi, replaced by a vending machine!
    You are funny, you would be so right though!
    Do you think he will be in whitless protection till parliament gets back in the middle of next year?
    Will he be invited to the BBQs in the new year, or will they all be talking about him?
    They just a big circle jerk in Wanganui and no one handed in their notice!
    Some one has to chicken out?
    
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    December 6, 2019 9:25am
  - freethinker
    
    Simon yes just put a brown paper bag of $ notes in the payment feed and out comes your policy of choice.
    
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    December 6, 2019 11:13am
- Zapper
  
  To be honest, as far as corruption goes in this govt, this seems like a minor issue. If he is forced to resign over this, everyone in that cabinet (including Jacinda) should also resign over far bigger mistakes.
  
  While I want a change of govt, as long as we have this one I’d like the only competent person to still be there.
  
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  December 6, 2019 8:43am
  - septic skeptic
    
    But is this the only time he has done this, or just the only time he has done it for someone stupid enough to ask him about it on Facebook?
    
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    December 6, 2019 11:32am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Competent? This bloke wants tenancy law changed to ban landlords from giving 90 days notice without a reason. Instead there would have to be a tenancy tribunal hearing and evidence, that many neighbours will be too scared to provide. Neighbours (tenants and owner-occupiers) and landlords will be stuck with tenants from hell making noise, threats, rubbish etc and it will be impossible to get rid of them.
    
    That is not competence. Landlords never just throw someone out without good reason – why would they want the hassle and expense?
    
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    December 6, 2019 3:19pm
- igm
  
  Seems to be blocked on Stuff and Herald. Shows Little is still in control of our media.
  
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  December 6, 2019 9:00am
- Bobba Fret
  
  And there was me thinking Kris Faafoi was their one minister that was actually honest and reasonably hard working (and yes I know it is a low bar), and actually doing a reasonable job.
  Jacinda will have a word to him and decide to take no action as she cannot afford to lose him.
  
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  December 6, 2019 9:06am
  - Tall Man
    
    Some people didn’t think ardern was a compulsive liar a couple of years ago….. Wonder what they think now.
    
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    December 6, 2019 9:53am
    - Michael
      
      i agree with you TM…
      
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      December 6, 2019 4:26pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  MP’s take representations from all comers and pass them onto colleagues. Cabinet Manual not withstanding, that’s the nature of our democracy. Dept’s will deal with them but they are accustomed to such pass-ons and overall we have trustworthy outcomes.
  Seldom do we have a Minister announce he has considered something serious during a passing tea break. Chris Faaafoi is well seasoned and if he thinks something is reasonable it is not improper for him to say so. His opinion may or may not be influential in the end.
  
  Fundamental corruption is at the process level which enabled NZF to nominate a Govt. Also in allowing NZF to avoid, through probable legal loopholes, clarity about donors and disbursements.
  
  Another risky area is the perceived power grab for rudderless Nga Puhi where the Waitangi settlement is up for grabs and massive economic outcomes from shifting the ports etc. NZF may be implicated in that too with disturbing hints of possible foreign parties.
  
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  December 6, 2019 9:25am
- oldpark
  
  Was wondering if the four mentioned so called fawning stuff reporters then and now would still have a job. Maybe so . Seems no alleged corruption “crime” is that, as long it is not the National Party. Just Saying.
  
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  December 6, 2019 9:54am
Yvette

Although it may display a complete ignorance of cannabis and its consumption, I ask a couple of questions please –

1 – If 14 grams will the proposed maximum daily purchase under the draft bill, how will that compare to the average yield per day from the two cannabis plants that a person over 20 will be able to grow.
In other words – do two cannabis plants that a poor person may grow, equate to the 14 grams a richer person may buy to become visage merde.

2 – What constitutes a plant – in terms of seedling to one maturing and being harvested to being a state not very productive – (see, what do I know?) – that a replacement plant is needed. Can you not plant a replacement plant until one of your first two have fallen over?

Unlike Shane Jones Forestry policy: replant at least 95% of what you chop down – how would he be if you couldn’t plant another seedling, until you harvest your present plants so you never have more than two?

3 – If “any cannabis products sold will also be required to carry messages warning of the harm likely to be caused through the use of the product”, can this warning be used a evidence in any case that may be submitted to the Waitangi Tribunal, that a product not indigenous to the country is being legalised without fully anticipating any negative impact on those covered by the Waitangi Tribunal?

4 – Will the law relating to the Waitangi Tribunal be amended to be inclusive of all those ethnicities who did sign the Treaty on behalf of their descendants, so it becomes the true partnership it pretends to be?

Disclaimer – I am not on any drugs other than those pain-killers that a GP may legally prescribe.
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December 6, 2019 8:10am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  Sounds like you are on drugs, especially the Waitangi stuff.
  
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  December 6, 2019 8:18am
  - Random T Person
    
    You need to be on drugs for the Waitangi stuff, to be fair.
    
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    December 6, 2019 8:32am
  - Yvette
    
    Mikenmildagain – I know there’s Te Puke Thunder and Coromandel Gold, but what is Waitangi like?
    
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    December 6, 2019 8:36am
    - Tall Man
      
      Haven’t you seen his posts? Judge it on those.
      
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      December 6, 2019 9:32am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      A disappointing blast with a lingering aftertaste of shit and regret . . .
      
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      December 6, 2019 9:55am
- sooty
  
  When is the roadside testing for drugs going to happen?
  
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  December 6, 2019 8:18am
  - pdm
    
    `When is the roadside testing for drugs going to happen?’
    
    Not under Julie Anne Genter – probably because too many of her friends might be caught in the noose.
    
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    December 6, 2019 8:28am
  - Ruawai
    
    Will there be a drug driving limit like alcohol ie will you be able to smoke a little weed and still drive?
    
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    December 6, 2019 9:11am
- artemisia
  
  If the cannabis law passes, how many landlords will add a clause to tenancy agreements about growing (perfectly legal) weed on or in the premises.
  
  And let’s face it, most are going to be grown inside as free mature plants will be irresistible. Power company shares will get a decent bump.
  
  And wasn’t some woman in the news saying that those without green fingers would be discriminated against because their plants would be smaller. Oh noes, can’t have discrimination based on finger colour.
  
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  December 6, 2019 8:39am
  - sooty
    
    Will we have “Kiwi Garderners” to come around and tend your patch. So everybody gets equal size plants?
    
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    December 6, 2019 9:51am
  - Ruawai
    
    This is what will kill the gangs weed market as most entrepreneurial young people will grow a couple of plants and sell to their lazy friends who can’t be bothered growing plants under the table tax free.
    
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    December 6, 2019 10:09am
  - G152
    
    And at what level of pollution will have the cleaners in to remove the ‘grass stains’ ?
    
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    December 6, 2019 11:38am
- cut n paster
  
  It’s all just lawnmowing to me…
  https://ibb.co/dj5fC06
  
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  December 6, 2019 1:13pm
info@cruzpro.com

According to an ADSL speed test website, New Zealand ranks 22nd internationally for average broadband speed at 110 Mbits per second. Here in Whangarei I am happy to get 3.5 Mbits per second with speeds as low as 0.5 Mbits per second at times. 🙁
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December 6, 2019 8:12am
- brett68
  
  500 up and down in the Tron
  
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  December 6, 2019 8:17am
  - Jack5
    
    What is “the Tron” ?
    
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    December 6, 2019 8:51am
    - Tall Man
      
      You don’t want to know.
      
      Think “cow bells”…. that’s the high point 😉
      
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      December 6, 2019 9:30am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      South South Auckland
      
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      December 6, 2019 9:56am
    - alwyn
      
      It is, apparently, Hamilton.
      The question of why it is called that appears to be rather ill defined.
      https://www.reddit.com/r/newzealand/comments/39kit2/why_is_hamilton_called_the_tron/
      I rather like the alternative description of Hamilton given in this exchange.
      “Hamilton – You Can Avoid It By Going Through Matamata”. I do whenever I drive North.
      
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      December 6, 2019 10:47am
- hullkiwi
  
  The price we pay for living in Northland. The only way to get decent speed in our area is via a microwave satellite dish.
  
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  December 6, 2019 8:18am
- 453mm
  
  I’m in an area that has ADSL, but I’m also able to get Rural 4G broadband (Vodafone). It’s pricey and data-capped but delivers 30+Mbps down and 10+Mbps up. It does tend to drop a little when Auckland drives past in long weekends.
  
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  December 6, 2019 8:46am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Thats shocking. Whangarei is a decent size city and should have decent broadband speeds.
  
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  December 6, 2019 9:08am
- Batman
  
  @info you should check out:
  
  https://northpower.com/fibre
  
  It should the build areas for Whangarei down the page!
  
  Or the chorus website will give you the full host of options for your address.
  
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  December 6, 2019 11:22am
  - info@cruzpro.com
    
    Thanks for the link. Checked it but no joy – no fibre at our address yet (5 minut drive from the CBD!).
    
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    December 6, 2019 12:44pm
    - Batman
      
      Bugger! ?
      
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      December 6, 2019 1:02pm
Simon

“I would take DPF’s protestations more seriously if he advocated for a regime which excluded foreign money, and foreign proxy MPs, altogether from our politics.”

MM from the thread about the mongs in Wellington and their crooked donations.

It’s worth reading the truth again Comrades.
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December 6, 2019 8:14am
- Tall Man
  
  Once again, beating the same old well worn drum.
  
  I would think your energies would be better directed to railing against “what’s in it for wynston” where we can actually see a “benefit” being granted to a donor..
  
  Think Kermadec, fishing boat cameras and a nice all weather race track….. Who knows what is under the radar at the moment.
  
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  December 6, 2019 9:56am
- alwyn
  
  I would agree with at least part of your comment.
  Why we should allow foreign proxy MPs like Russel Norman, Julie Anne Genter and Golriz Ghahraman is completely beyond understanding?
  Out, damned spots! Out, I say!
  With apologies to the Bard. He was, of course, one of the good foreigners.
  
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  December 6, 2019 10:56am
oldpark

Surely not, a man of integrity Kris Faafoi in the Peters selected Lie-bour/ Green MPs. Yes seems the intoxicating stench of power and corruption has if allegations are true has totally permeated into the sad bunch of no hopers in the Peters selected cabal of no hopers.
Wonder why Faafoi thought he could get away with the alleged corruption. Will NZs wonderwoman the “commie chic” from small town NZ finally do something useful . Like earning her $500,000 plus per year. The answer is NO! Run a country ,couldn’t run a bath.
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December 6, 2019 8:17am
- cmm
  
  “Wonder why Faafoi thought he could get away with the alleged corruption”
  
  PriNZess tried with Handley… and got caught.
  (inaudible) tried with Sroubek… and got caught.
  
  Maybe third time lucky?
  
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  December 6, 2019 8:32am
  - nasska
    
    …..”Maybe third time lucky?”…..
    
    Or maybe only one in ten instances of corruption make it into the public arena & the odds were in his favour.
    
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    December 6, 2019 10:12am
- Ruawai
  
  It’s ok because his mate is in the cool music crowd who are all mates with PM
  
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  December 6, 2019 9:12am
- Tall Man
  
  “Surely there’s not a man or woman of integrity in the Peters selected Lie-bour/ Green MPs”
  
  Fixed it.
  
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  December 6, 2019 9:57am
BarryB

White Privilege.
Ive been doing a bit of research into this phenomenon . Various articles and some youtube videos . Not just about so called privilege, but about education and heredity and what IQ is and so on.
It seems that there is a real thing that should be called “The advantage obtained from getting the best education you can and being feed the best nutrition available”

Im a guy of Irish and Scottish origin. I don’t consider myself in any way privileged. Ive worked hard for what I have managed to put together. As some sage said some time ago – the harder I work the luckier I get.

IQ – is the best broad measure of intelligence we have . Its not perfect, but it’s a hellve a lot better than the next best way of measuring one’s ability to make good and sensible decisions. The original intention was that IQ would have an average across a society – and really across the world – of 100. (I know its not that simple, but with tests adapted for different societies and cultures such a result would be arrived at) But IQ has been rising at about 10 points per generation (30ish years), or about a third of a point per year. That’s the average – assuming the bell curve applies (which is almost certainly does) then in some areas its 15 or maybe even 20 points per generation, but in other sections of society its 5 or maybe even zero points per generation. And some sections will be 10.

Now – whats the cause? Its agreed by many researchers in this area that three factors matter.
1. Education. The better the education – the bigger the IQ rise.
2. Nutrition. A decent nutrition gives top performing physical and mental students. (we keep hearing about how badly hungry kids do at school)
3. Heritability. The is similar to but is not inheritance. You inherit things like eye colour and hair colour. Doesn’t matter what you do (short of applying dye or something like that) you cant change these. But heritable genes are things that are highly influenced by environment. Some researchers say that up to 80% of some populations have the gene to put on weight if crap food is eaten – and without doubt this is true of pacific islanders. The development of intelligence is a heritable gene. Generally its thought to be about 20% of young people and it increases to about 80 of the population as we age. Ie: we are capable of learning more as we get older. We always knew that societies elders were the smartest didn’t we……..its not just experience, but also the ability to learn from those experiences.

The higher your IQ then the more likely you are to make good decisions. You are more likely to have learned from your own and others experience and make decisions based on proven facts and intelligent deductions. A good topical example is the question of getting your children immunized with the MMR vaccine.

If you have a low IQ then you wont use past experience and make deductions from proven facts quite as well as those with a higher IQ

So – which societies in the world value education and nutrition and an encouraging environment most………….and thus have IQ rises per generation of 15 or 20 points.
And which don’t value them or cant access them……….. and thus have IQ rises per generation of 5 or 0 points.

My answer is: Those societies of Western European extraction and some Asian (especially Chinese and Korean) value those three things most.
Societies in Africa and much of the Arab world (especially if female) cant access education or good food or both. The same goes for S.E Asia. And obviously those that call themselves Pacifica have challenges in ‘Smarts’ area.

One could be very brutal about this and rather than calling it White Privilege it should be best called non-white stupidity – although not all white skinned people are particularly smart and obviously Chinese and S.Koreans aren’t ‘white’

It seems inevitable that the two ends of society will slowly but surely move further and further apart in their ability to make decisions that improve their next generation.
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December 6, 2019 8:20am
- SGA
  
  But IQ has been rising at about 10 points per generation (30ish years), or about a third of a point per year.
  
  Throughout most of the 2oth century that was the case, but recent research suggests that this trend is slowing, stopping, or in a few places even reversed.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect#Possible_end_of_progression
  
  It seems inevitable that the two ends of society will slowly but surely move further and further apart in their ability to make decisions that improve their next generation.
  
  Or, that if the increase is slowing or peaking in developed countries, and if factors such as education and nutrition improve in under-developed countries then the two will steadily move closer together. That’s an alternative hypothesis.
  
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  December 6, 2019 9:02am
  - BarryB
    
    If. If………the increase in the number of people that believe that the world is flat, and similar increases in the number who believe creationism, and a worrying growth in the spread of identity groups (identity politics being just one of them – I think there are now about 160 different recognized gender groups – as Clinton said – “give me a break”) is anything of a guide then I feel confident to opine that things are not getting better anytime soon. And its also proof that not all white people are increasing their IQ.
    Conversely Africa remains the mess that its been for a long time as a result of indigenous leaders and their tribalism and corruption, and very recent happening in the pacific (measles) show that things are no better there.
    So yes – these things might be causing a slowing of the increase – but the basic rules still apply – ie: get your kids the best education that you can, don’t feed them crap (processed foods – McDonalds, is just a small part – much of the food in the supermarket is processed and full of additives. Emulsifiers, flow agents, stabilisers, heaps of salt and sugar, acidifiers (to stop the food rotting) etc, etc) and guide them into a life of listening and learning. That last bit is done by example.
    
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    December 6, 2019 10:05am
    - SGA
      
      To be honest, I’m not sure how all that follows from my comment.
      As I understand the Flynn effect (which is what you are talking about, I think), it pointed to increases in performance on some IQ tests across generations. Because these increases occurred over single generations and were widespread across the more developed nations and within racial/ethnic groups in these nations, the Flynn Effect looks much more like an effect of environmental factors rather than genetics – e.g., nutrition/diet, type/quality of education.
      There is evidence that this effect might be peaking in developed nations. This might mean that we are no longer improving something that was being improved in the past, or it might mean that there is a natural asymptote to the benefits of these environmental factors.
      That said, I agree that parents should feed, shelter, and educate children to the best of their ability.
      
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      December 6, 2019 11:34am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Short version:
  
  Parents are really important. Some parents are complete shit. People raise their own kids based on how they were raised themselves. People are the same race as their parents. Therefore you would expect success in life to correlate with race.
  
  I don’t know the answer, but a good start would be to end the practice of paying the worst parents to have babies while heavy taxes and regulation mean that people who are responsible and wait to have kids until they own a house and are in a strong financial position, will not have anywhere near as many.
  
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  December 6, 2019 9:20am
  - Tall Man
    
    “People raise their own kids based on how they were raised themselves.”
    
    If you also mean they can make a conscious decision to raise their children differently than they were raised then I agree.
    
    Some of us had a tough time and have ensured that did not get repeated.
    
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    December 6, 2019 9:27am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    That class will not replenish the population.
    
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    December 6, 2019 9:29am
  - Komata
    
    Nigel@0920
    
    Re: ‘People are the same race as their parents’.
    
    Umm, no, because that ignores the children of ‘Mix ‘n’ match’ relationships.
    
    Where the result is ‘Mixed-race’ children, I would suggest that the situation is that ‘People are the same CULTURE as their parents, or even of the DOMINANT parent’ (Invariably a male, although one or other leaves, whichever one assumes the ‘caregiver’ role’), and that in such situations ‘Education’ / Culture trumps ‘Ethnicity’ and that skin colour is no indicator of future attainment.
    
    Thank you.
    
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    December 6, 2019 10:05am
  - The King
    
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    December 6, 2019 10:40am
- pb
  
  IQ measures are created by slavers. If you achieve a high IQ you are more likely to make a good wage slave. A robot stuck in your fancy cubicle, serving the man. Hence the slavers encourage the measure.
  
  IQ fails to measure character. Wisdom. Morality. It’s a sandal wearing self indulgent mirror of stupidity.
  
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  December 6, 2019 5:51pm
G152

And there I was thinking that liebor had at least one good member who was carrying out his duties professionally.
Sadly Chris you’ve let us down.
Just another mouth at the trough
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December 6, 2019 8:24am
- cmm
  
  Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, three or 500 times, shame on me.
  
  Dude, you let yourself down by believing he was good.
  
  Answer me this: why would a bent bunch appoint someone honest?
  
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  December 6, 2019 9:09am
Simon

Scathing international report marks NZ’s climate action ‘insufficient’

https://i.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/117967162/scathing-international-report-marks-nzs-climate-action-insufficient

It’s never enough for these Marxist tweebs unless you are living on growing you own turnips fertilised with your own shit. That is operating at the same level as the promise of Marxism.

National voted for Zero Carbon and will be still treated like shit because it’s never enough.

Trump would have said fuck off right from the start. There is no point in engaging with leftist scum and their Marxist climate fantasy in the first place. Stupid bloody National
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December 6, 2019 8:26am
- DigNap15
  
  India is going to “start” reducing its carbon output in 2030
  That’s ten years from now
  In the meantime they are building lots of coal fired power stations
  They are importing Russian coal from the Antarctic (I kid you not)
  And they are going to start building nuclear power stations on a massive scale so they can start to reduce their carbon footprint.
  
  What would you prefer?
  Coal dust or nuclear meltdowns and nuclear waste!
  
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  December 6, 2019 9:16am
  - Nickc2
    
    I would question the accusation of Russian coal from the Antarctic. Having been there, I have not even heard of any Russian coal mining taking place. If you mean the Arctic, then that’s different.
    
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    December 6, 2019 9:52am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      There is no mineral mining in Antarctica.
      https://www.coolantarctica.com/Antarctica%20fact%20file/science/threats_mining_oil.php
      
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      December 6, 2019 11:24am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Arctic Siberia
    
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    December 6, 2019 9:56am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    They are importing Russian coal from the Antarctic (I kid you not)
    
    You are kidding us…
    India is importing Coal from the Russian Arctic
    https://www.arctictoday.com/russia-finds-a-market-in-india-for-its-vast-reserves-of-arctic-coal/
    
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    December 6, 2019 10:07am
    - mark15
      
      Coal from the arctic?
      Does that mean there used to be lots of trees in the arctic?
      Does that mean it used to be warmer???
      But….
      
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      December 6, 2019 12:16pm
      - MH
        
        plate textonicks
        
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        December 6, 2019 1:36pm
      - Nickc2
        
        You got it Mark. Polar Bears in the Arctic are starving due to the polar regions being the warmest ever due to man made global warming. UN wankers!
        
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        December 6, 2019 1:40pm
    - DigNap15
      
      Yes I meant the Aric
      Modi says they need it to fire their growing steel industry
      
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      December 6, 2019 7:14pm
Right of way is Way of Right

What Kris Faafoi is ‘alleged’ (covered myself) to have done is nowhere near as serious or corrupt as what Shane Jones has done. If Faafoi is removed from his portfolios and Shane Jones continues to bombast and bribe his way in to the hearts and minds of Northland, it will show clearly that Winston First have somehow inserted a ‘get out of jail free’ card in to the coalition agreement, and can pretty much do whatever the fuck they want!

A poor advert for democracy indeed!
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December 6, 2019 8:35am
- hullkiwi
  
  Sorry, but Williamson made phone calls on behalf of people. Stuff went to town (read above). If, the same standards apply to the CoL, Faafou should be gone by lunchtime.
  
  But we are talking about PriNZess’ unicorn CoL garden, where different standards apply to corruption.
  
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  December 6, 2019 9:06am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Kris is one of the best performing ministers…..Ardern cannot afford to lose him as there is no decent replacement.
  
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  December 6, 2019 9:13am
  - sooty
    
    Shit if he’s one of the best, the rest are shit!
    
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    December 6, 2019 9:44am
  - Tarquin North
    
    No decent replacement? There isn’t even a semi competent replacement anywhere on that side of the house. Most of them have never even had a real job.
    
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    December 6, 2019 9:50am
  - artemisia
    
    Is Minister Faafoi a very good performer though? Agree no feet in mouth until now, but his portfolios were all patsy ones until he collected bits of housing. And he has done nothing on housing yet, apparently, apart from some tenancy reforms which were anyway almost complete by the time he took over. Reforms that have reverberated around the suppliers (landlords) and not in a good way for tenants.
    
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    December 6, 2019 9:57am
    - Bobba Fret
      
      If you are in this COL and you do nothing, you by default become one of their best performing ministers. That is how low the bar has been set.
      
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      December 6, 2019 11:47am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

No TDS comments yet? Come on lefties, up your game.
About 2 pm things should get interesting
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December 6, 2019 8:38am
- skyblue
  
  Too early, they are all sipping their lattes. Discussing their plan of attack.
  
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  December 6, 2019 8:43am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Waiting for their Talking Points like good lil stooges
    
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    December 6, 2019 9:53am
    - Batman
      
      Lol you mean like the Trumpets here who parrot word for word whatever Hannity and Jordan/Nunes are saying that day?
      
      Let’s not kid ourselves that it’s only one side with the ability to parrot.
      
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      December 6, 2019 11:40am
      - All_on_Red
        
        “Hannity Jordan Nunes”
        I see you’ve got yours huh
        Lol
        Say what do you think of Schiff getting Journalist John Solomon’s phone records?
        You happy he’s spying on Journalists now?
        Of course you are
        As long as they can get Trump
        #Hypocrite
        
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        December 6, 2019 11:53am
- 453mm
  
  I’m getting tired of Trump Distraction Syndrome.
  
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  December 6, 2019 8:50am
  - Michael
    
    i’m not.
    it identifies the wankers amongst us.
    
    gives me a laugh every day.
    and i consider Trump to be a pussy grabber!
    
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    December 6, 2019 4:33pm
    - Tall Man
      
      So, is that better than a “dick grabber”…… a la labour ministers…..
      
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      December 6, 2019 9:36pm
- All_on_Red
  
  https://mobile.twitter.com/kilmeade/status/1202501250199281665
  
  Awkward- especially the last minute
  
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  December 6, 2019 9:14am
  - Tall Man
    
    Wonder what our country would be like if we representatives of his calibre in our government.
    
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    December 6, 2019 10:00am
    - Batman
      
      Even stupider than the already very stupid coalition we currently have.
      
      Gaetz spent his time spouting absolute rubbish and then whipped out the absolutely (no other word for it) retarded idea that you can impeach a former president.
      
      Honestly, if it wasn’t so idiotic it would be funny.
      
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      December 6, 2019 11:43am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Ahahaha
        Four expert witnesses
        None could refer to any facts in Schiffs report
        All opinion dressed up as fact
        
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        December 6, 2019 11:56am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Wrong again
        “A former president can actually be impeached. They cannot be removed from an office they’ve already left, but legal scholars told Slate that impeached former presidents could be barred from serving in any future federal-government positions, elective or appointive.”
        https://www.businessinsider.com/rep-matt-gaetz-suggested-impeaching-obama-trump-impeachment-inquiry-2019-12
        
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        December 6, 2019 11:59am
      - Tall Man
        
        And yet I saw him demolish 4 university professors. Would that we had that many idiots in Parliament.
        
        The point that action can be taken against a former President is accurate I believe, I’m just not sure the correct word is “impeachment” but may be ardern could make up a bedder word.
        
        TDS must be a hard thing to handle, I have some sympathy for you… not much though.
        
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        December 6, 2019 2:44pm
      - Batman
        
        Demolish or shout at and attempt to personally attack?
        
        Also, the fourth professor was the Republican one. So clearly he wasn’t up to much with his arguments either, a nice self-own for the GOP.
        
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        December 6, 2019 3:37pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Woof woof batman… wrong tree.
        
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        December 6, 2019 9:35pm
- IC5000
  
  You’re simply not worth it.
  
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  December 6, 2019 1:24pm
  - Tall Man
    
    And you think you are?
    
    Shame really.
    
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    December 6, 2019 9:37pm
tedbear

With all the rain falling down south and the Hastings area getting highs in the 30’s, it’s occurred to me the cause is not Mother Nature, but far too much co2 in the skies above those two areas.
Now I’d appreciate the scientists explaining to us plebs how the excess co2 that’s causing excess rain differs from the excess co2 that’s causing excess temperatures.
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December 6, 2019 8:40am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  They are both examples of climate. In both cases there has been a change. Therefore they are both proof of climate change. Now hold your wallet upside down and shake it as hard as you can so the little girl will stop screaming.
  
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  December 6, 2019 10:27am
Swifty

Rick Bryant died yesterday:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/nat-music/audio/2018725531/blue-eyed-counter-culture-soul-man-rick-bryant-has-died

Farewell my good man.
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December 6, 2019 8:46am
- All_on_Red
  
  Yeah, he was a good guy
  
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  December 6, 2019 11:14am
calendar girl

Our PM seems intent on making the forthcoming trial of Brenton Tarrant (of Christchurch mosque massacre fame) another event that can draw attention to her personally: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12291444 .
Just as she did with her ‘apology’ on the 40th anniversary of the Erebus disaster.

Right now, and until any criminal trial resolved, it is not the PM’s prerogative to make personal comments about a defendant. Even if she sees herself as a logical target of personal media attention in that context.
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December 6, 2019 8:50am
- KevO'Brien
  
  If Ardern was Trump she would be under impeachment too for being “monarchial”.
  
  The people will deal with her next year.
  She’s taking Labour to the sub-20’s.
  Strange how fishnchips does that to some people.
  ☑️☑️
  
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  December 6, 2019 9:36am
- sooty
  
  Oh goody, she’s going to turn up in wig and gown!
  
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  December 6, 2019 9:42am
- Tall Man
  
  What else would expect from a dishonest media whore like her.
  
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  December 6, 2019 10:01am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yep,
  Ardern said she stood by her decision to never speak the alleged gunman’s name.
  
  “If someone’s motivated by infamy, then you deprive them of it,” she said.
  
  and here she is, for no particular reason that I can fathom, giving more publicity to the man & his actions.
  
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  December 6, 2019 10:12am
  - chaos
    
    She needs to distract the fans, must be time to go into the phone booth and come out as hijab Cindy. Faster than a sleeping Winston Peters. More powerful than grant Robertson body odour. Able to leap sexual assault and rape claims in a single bound. Look, look up in the sky, no, maybe behind the shredder, no, where is the ptpm hijab Cindy
    
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    December 6, 2019 10:46am
    - MH
      
      how dare you
      
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      December 6, 2019 1:40pm
- The King
  
  She just doesn’t want the truth of the UN’s great replacement migration strategy she signed up for getting out.
  
  That’s all it is period. If she thought her morals and values where stronger she’d let Tarrant speak and she could show the world, but there’s the problem, she’s peddling a lie that is cultural Marxism using many disguises.
  
  There will be no ‘Democracy’ trial for Tarrant they will change the laws if they have to, (they already have) it will be a Soviet show trial.
  
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  December 6, 2019 10:50am
  - Batman
    
    So they’ve changed the law for murder?
    
    Fifty one counts of murder.
    
    Get outta here with your supremacist conspiracy bullshit.
    
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    December 6, 2019 11:45am
    - The King
      
      Replacement migration is a conspir….
      
      https://www.un.org/en/development/desa/population/publications/ageing/replacement-migration.asp
      
      Fuck off leftist shill.
      
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      December 6, 2019 12:10pm
      - Batman
        
        Lol leftist shill? Pathetic.
        
        That’s a research paper about population demographics and density.
        
        Hardly a manifesto for your wild delusions about the intentional replacement of ‘white’ people with the apparent inference that we’re somehow superior.
        
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        December 6, 2019 1:16pm
    - IC5000
      
      The King is an adherent of the 14 words. He doesn’t go too crazy with the JQ but you can see it in his past posts. Anybody who doesn’t want a white ethnostate is probably a leftist shrill to him.
      
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      December 6, 2019 1:40pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Obviously ‘King’ is the leftist shill trying to bring this site down with his rabid fake ‘white supremacist’ bullshit.
        
        No decent conservative, moderate or libertarian believes anyone should have supremacy just because of their melanin levels!
        
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        December 6, 2019 3:47pm
      - Batman
        
        I am slightly worried that he is deadly serious. That’s the trouble.
        
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        December 6, 2019 4:04pm
      - IC5000
        
        I can differentiate between the different strands of the right which are legitimate political expressions that have a right to be heard and this is ultimately desirable for a democratic society.
        
        However it is also important to highlight elements which propagate hatred and advocate solutions which go beyond the limits of what a free and democratic society should tolerate. The King is an example of dissident alt right which has no place in the political discourse. Anyone who has spent time in the murkier cesspools of Reddit, discord, 4Chan and the like can readily identify the phrases and memes like The Great Replacement and ‘the Globalist’ aka Jews.
        
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        December 6, 2019 4:23pm
      - The King
        
        Nice Pilpul, how long did it take you to log on this Alt account?
        
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        December 6, 2019 7:53pm
Jack5

Tough times at Stuff, one of the country’s two main newspaper chains. Its reported an unimpressive result for its (June 30) financial year ended.

There’s a whiff of socialism in the media air. Stuff and NZME, owner of the NZ Herald-led publisher of newspapers and electronic media, have been pressing the Government to override the Commerce Commission and allow them to merge. Also in the background are calls for State subsidies for print newspapers to be extended beyond the subsidy for eight reporters supplying regional news to local papers and to Radio New Zealand.

Beyond that there are fears of how the decline of newspapers is affecting regional, local-body politics, where citizens now show little interest. (To a lesser extent interest may be being stifled by MMP, which provides an alternative, easier route to national politics via party-chosen lists. Beats the route of years of enduring council meetings.)

Stuff’s revenue for the company’s June 2019 financial year, at $268.583 million, was down 12 per cent on 2018, but the company was able to report a profit of $5.481 million. This was allowed by a tax credit of $5.638 million. The previous year, Stuff reported a loss of $74 million after writing down assets by $114 million.

Advertising revenue for the 2019 year fell 19.18 per cent on 2018 to $151.21 million.

Net inflow of operating cash was down 63.43 per cent to $9.37 million. Cash from customers fell 13.7 per cent to $290.47 million, while cash payments to staff and suppliers fell 9.5 per cent at $271.94 million.

Retrenchment continues with, cash redundancy payments totalling $6.64 million, up on the previous year’s $6.07 million.

Net tangible asset backing is negative. The balance sheet now contains negative retained earnings (we used to use the term accumulated losses) of $922.67 million.

Circulation revenue of Stuff’s newspapers in total fell 5 per cent to $90.53 million in the June year. This is lighter than suggested by latest audited circulation figures for Stuff’s main newspapers. These show circulation of the Dominion-Post for the year ended 30 September fell 14.17 per cent and the circulation of the Christchurch Press fell 14.4 per cent. Waikato Times circulation dropped 13.37 per cent, Southland Times fell 18.62 per cent, the Taranaki Daily News 13.78 per cent, and the Timaru Herald dropped 18.52 per cent.

On the latest figures, if the Government were to leap in and create some State media entity covering print and electronic media, it would most likely create another enduring drain that would suck away taxpayer money.
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December 6, 2019 8:50am
- sooty
  
  How many journalist will get redundantcey if they merge? Which can only be a good thing!
  
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  December 6, 2019 9:40am
- Tall Man
  
  Jesus Jack, a “whiff” of socialism….
  
  There is an overt and over riding stench I think you mean as “democracy, truth and honesty” are cast aside to rot on the ground while they adore the bullshitters in the most corrupt government in our country.
  
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  December 6, 2019 10:03am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Pandering to the left loses you most of your audience. NZ Media decline is in large part due to their increasingly partisan approach.
  
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  December 6, 2019 10:22am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    I used to grit my teeth and listen to Red Radio news to see what biased crap they were feeding NZ in the mornings. But now that Kim Hill is back I can hardly bear to even do that.
    
    That dreadful woman actually cut off Simon Bridges when he wasn’t giving her the answers she wanted last Tuesday! Not the slightest politeness or respect for the opposition leader.
    
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    December 6, 2019 3:52pm
- Jack5
  
  Stuff newspapers aren’t alone in appearing to lean Left.
  
  In the Herald today, gun owners protested at a school where Ardern was attending a function.
  
  The reporter observed this of one car that drove past:
  
  “One highly-agitated driver slowed down in front of the protest and screamed: ‘Why outside a school you maniacs?’ ”
  
  This small part of the incident is highlighted in a summary heading on the Herald web site:
  
  ‘You maniacs’: Ardern confronted by gun owners at school opening.
  
  Almost implies that Ardern called the protesters maniacs, and shows that media bias isn’t confined to front-line reporters.
  
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  December 6, 2019 2:49pm
  - Jack5
    
    The summary heading on the Herald site has since been changed.
    
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    December 6, 2019 6:45pm
- calendar girl
  
  Thanks Jack5 – very useful background information.
  
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  December 6, 2019 9:17pm
Yvette

Labour aims to be the ‘safest, most inclusive place’ for people following sexual assault allegations. – Ardern, last weekend Labour conference

What utter crap.
Labour Party administration should have requested, that in the case of the summer camp sexual assaults (before the charges were changed) that the judge be one without connection to the Labour Party, since the matter had obvious political problems and associated issues of conflict.
Regarding the latter, although it may have nothing to do with reality (who wants to be in contempt of court), as several in the media have pointed out: there is a simple public perception to content with.
What an utter fail.

And considering that Labour suffered damaging coverage over a party volunteer member alleging serious sexual assault (digital rape) and claims high ranking Labour officials were told but failed to act properly, that the former president Nigel Haworth resigned in the height of the scandal, and that two reviews were ordered, which are still to be finished months later –
and not forgetting the plight still of the alleged victim –
the very least that should have been offered at last weekend’s Labour Conference, should have been a confirmation, that “Yes, there is a substantial case to be answered” … or “No, there’s not, and other suitable charges will be laid, and with either outcome it will be properly handed to the police to investigate, absurdly late as that will unfortunately be”.

That would have been a little bit inclusive. Well, it would have been something …
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December 6, 2019 8:54am
- sooty
  
  But you have it all wrong.
  It was all designed to get the pervert off and be on the sex pervert registar, like the Darren Hughes!
  
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  December 6, 2019 9:37am
- KevO'Brien
  
  I have to be concerned about a possible political friendly Judge.
  Also why haven’t the Police intervened about the apparent Obstruction of Justice by the PM’s Office?
  Ardern is not Queen and cannot overturn out laws as she pleases–even HM Elizabeth R does not have that power, those ancient rights have long gone.
  Ardern’s appointment of a QC to report to her on allegations of sexual assault in her workplace is replacing the Police.
  
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  December 6, 2019 9:46am
- Ruawai
  
  This is something the PM can actually apologise for as she has a direct impact on the party rather than apologising for Air NZ, Grace Millanes murder and the mosque attacks.
  
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  December 6, 2019 10:16am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And the Labour hierarchy don’t like being reminded that they are bloody useless when someone within their ranks tells them of their sex predators.
  
  https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/05-12-2019/i-complained-to-labour-of-a-sexual-assault-then-i-read-about-it-in-the-news/
  
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  December 6, 2019 10:31am
Maggie Pie

There are a number of things ‘Bishop Brian’ comes out with that really make a lot of sense…….

https://twitter.com/BishopTamaki/status/1202305805682233344

[And i just read where ‘Guardian Angel Hannah’ was nominated for ‘Top 10 Quote of the Year’ as well 😀 ]
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December 6, 2019 8:55am
rockape

When labour said they were going to reduce prison numbers I thought they meant prisoners not guards, silly me! “Inquiry underway into how one of our largest prisons was left with just two guards”
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December 6, 2019 9:04am
cmm

Sea level rise is real!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/video.cfm?c_id=1&gal_cid=1&gallery_id=214782

What more evidence do you need?
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December 6, 2019 9:05am
- hullkiwi
  
  I think someone at the Herald needs lessons in geography and weather.
  
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  December 6, 2019 9:08am
  - 453mm
    
    Also, grammar and spelling.
    
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    December 6, 2019 12:30pm
    - hullkiwi
      
      That almost goes without saying these days.
      
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      December 6, 2019 4:22pm
- marcw
  
  If it’s real, why would the Obama’s be paying $11 million for a mansion built at sea level on Martha’s Vineyard? It didn’t include a moat as far as i know.
  
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7758541/Barack-Michelle-Obama-busting-champagne-mega-estate-Marthas-Vineyard.html
  
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  December 6, 2019 9:19am
  - sooty
    
    On’t need to spend the money for a moat as the sea will be up. I just hope he’s putting in a dock!
    
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    December 6, 2019 9:32am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    What is seal level?
    
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    December 6, 2019 9:49am
  - cmm
    
    Because Martha’s Vineyard has a nice runway and the other climate change heroes need a place to land their jets.
    
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    December 6, 2019 11:34am
- tedbear
  
  cmm, prior to that video is an advert from Whitianga waterways who are clearly not bothered about a metre or so of canal levels rising.
  Surely the local council with it’s Climate Emergency declaration cannot allow this project to proceed?
  
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  December 6, 2019 9:40am
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  Hey CMM, Wanaka is on a Lake (fresh water). Sea level rise pertains to Sea (salt water). Are you trying to say the ocean is flooding into Lake Wanaka?
  
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  December 6, 2019 10:55am
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    woosh.
    
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    December 6, 2019 11:32am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Some people need to see a sarc tag so they get it LOL
      
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      December 6, 2019 2:44pm
- JibberJabber
  
  Not so long ago Andrea Vance wrote an article on Stuff about how GW is causing Lakes Rotorua and Rotoiti to rise, completely ignorant of the FACT that Lake levels are controlled by Stop gates and weirs at agreed levels by the council .
  Pointing that out got myself and others banned from commenting there. LoL.
  
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  December 6, 2019 3:42pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Its a wonder they have any commenters left.
    They got me as well
    I just email their “editors” every few days and tell them they are iditiots
    
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    December 6, 2019 7:08pm
Shut the hell up you Fascist!

1 – If 14 grams will the proposed maximum daily purchase under the draft bill, how will that compare to the average yield per day from the two cannabis plants that a person over 20 will be able to grow.
In other words – do two cannabis plants that a poor person may grow, equate to the 14 grams a richer person may buy to become visage merde.

A: I’ve forgotten the question.

2 – What constitutes a plant – in terms of seedling to one maturing and being harvested to being a state not very productive – (see, what do I know?) – that a replacement plant is needed. Can you not plant a replacement plant until one of your first two have fallen over?

A: Yes (to a very complicated question)

Unlike Shane Jones Forestry policy: replant at least 95% of what you chop down – how would he be if you couldn’t plant another seedling, until you harvest your present plants so you never have more than two?

A: My friends will help and I’ll have to help my stoner friends sometimes (damn!)

3 – If “any cannabis products sold will also be required to carry messages warning of the harm likely to be caused through the use of the product”, can this warning be used a evidence in any case that may be submitted to the Waitangi Tribunal, that a product not indigenous to the country is being legalised without fully anticipating any negative impact on those covered by the Waitangi Tribunal?

A: Fuckin’ lawyer are ya?

4 – Will the law relating to the Waitangi Tribunal be amended to be inclusive of all those ethnicities who did sign the Treaty on behalf of their descendants, so it becomes the true partnership it pretends to be?

A: Haven’t you already asked that question?

Disclaimer – I am not on any drugs other than those pain-killers that a GP may legally prescribe or my mates.
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December 6, 2019 9:07am
Maggie Pie

~A SILLY QUESTION~

“What it would take these days to get the ‘Chief Censor’ fully aroused?”

Asking for a friend.
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December 6, 2019 9:14am
- sooty
  
  It would take alot or would have a hair trigger?
  
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  December 6, 2019 9:29am
- JackRabbit
  
  Security camera footage of what passes for acceptable behaviour at Labour Party camps, PM’s office hijinks, and what happens in the offices of the Labour party behind closed doors.
  
  Screwing the country, Effing up NZ for future generations, and blowing large amounts of cash.
  
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  December 6, 2019 9:58am
- chaos
  
  Mrs chief censor covered in a giant Krispy Kreme?
  
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  December 6, 2019 10:04am
- hullkiwi
  
  Given his recent survey, probably more than a bit of online porn!
  
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  December 6, 2019 10:36am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Do you remember the olden days when the chief censor’s name was Arthur EVERARD.
  I kid you not.
  
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  December 6, 2019 10:52am
chaos

Another day, another lie from Jeremy.

* On Christmas mornings, UK politician and leader of the Opposition Jeremy Corbyn turns on the TV to hear the Queen’s seasonal message. At least, that’s what he told a reporter from ITV’s Tonight.

But the Queen doesn’t share a morning message, she never has. Her yearly message to her loyal subjects doesn’t happen until 3pm on Christmas Day. *

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/117985302/uks-jeremy-corbyn-caught-lying-about-watching-queens-christmas-message
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December 6, 2019 9:23am
- sooty
  
  It’s only a litte lie!
  One of many, just like ours!
  
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  December 6, 2019 9:27am
- Inandout
  
  Jeremy watches BBC and CNN, so I am not surprised if it was last year’s message broadcast by mistake. He is one of the slimiest and racist (anti Jew) MPs ever to grace Westminster. He cuddled up to the same Palestinian misfit that our Phil Goff held hands with.
  
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  December 6, 2019 10:01am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Lies and lefties go hand in hand. Just ask PTPM
  
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  December 6, 2019 10:01am
  - curry4me
    
    That’s why I call them the ever lovin, ever lying left.
    
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    December 6, 2019 2:13pm
Grant

Fancy that….
We have a Minister of Immigration that can’t even spell the key word in his title.
“But Faafoi asked Kerrsison to “Yes – can you please send me surname and immagration nz file number [sic]” – which Kerrison did, before the conversation moved to texts. ”
Should be fired for that alone….
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December 6, 2019 9:36am
- Grant
  
  Last post should have read, “former Associate Immigration Minister.”
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  December 6, 2019 9:48am
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    Only another year to wait.
    
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    December 6, 2019 12:28pm
- burt
  
  NZ has a low corruption rating to maintain – it’s critical we don’t follow up or prosecute these matters.
  
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  December 6, 2019 11:18am
  - DigNap15
    
    But its getting higher every day.
    Immigration rorts
    Building rorts
    Driving licence rorts
    
    Mostly by new New Zealanders
    
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    December 6, 2019 7:06pm
Billy Collins

Let’s recap:

– there is still no established link between the aid and the favour beyond presumption and hearsay.
– the witnesses cant even agree as to what the quid pro quo was.
– only one witness ever talked to Trump about Ukraine and even he couldn’t establish motive, and even established that Trump explicitly said he wanted no quid pro quo.
-this all started with a whistleblower claim about office gossip that turned out to be false.
– the Dems committed massive corruption by getting the private phone records of a journalist and political opponent who aren’t being investigated or accused of anything.
– the so called expert witness is so biased, just the sight of Trump’s name on a building causes her to cross the street.

The fact that DPF and others know this shamble is going on and are all for it, particularly the clear corrupt behaviour by the Dems toward the media in the process, shows how much their hatred of Trump clouds their judgement.

It really is shameful. Trump calls some in the media fake news and the media are outraged. Schiff literally spied on the media and publishes their private phone records in a report and we get largely silence, with DPF endorsing that report. True shame.
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December 6, 2019 9:45am
Fletch

Republican Matt Gaetz on questioning the four professional Democrat ‘witnesses’, who in fact, are witnesses to nothing. Three are rabid anti-Trump liberal progressives who slagged off Trump in what amounts to political speeches. What a dog and pony show. A Broadway show.

Gaetz: So let’s see if we can get into the facts. To all of the witnesses. If you have personal knowledge of a single material fact in the Schiff report, please raise your hand. [None does. Silence] And let the record reflect no personal knowledge of a single fact, and you know what, that continues on the tradition we saw from Adam Schiff. Ambassador Taylor could not identify an impeachable offense. Mr. Kent never met with the president. Fiona Hill never heard the president reference anything regarding military aid. Mr. Hale was unaware of any activity with aid. Col. Vindman rejected the talking point that bribery was invoked here. Ambassador Volker denied there was a quid pro quo and Mr. Morrison said there wasn’t anything on the call.

The only direct evidence was Mr. Sondland, who spoke to the president and the president said, “I want nothing, no quid pro quo.” And you know what, if wiretapping a political opponent is an impeachable offense, I look forward to the Inspector General’s report, and maybe it’s a different president we should be impeaching.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzbEh1a2ivU
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December 6, 2019 9:52am
- fernglas
  
  Gaetz suggesting that someone who is called to give expert evidence on the law has to have personal knowledge of the primary facts is plain dumb. Bias by a purported expert is a very different matter.
  
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  December 6, 2019 11:21am
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    They were hardly unbiased though. Professors who have donated to Obama, Hillary and Warren, one who has appeared on a podcast called ‘Versus Trump’ and who attacked Trump’s son Barron, another (Feldman) who wrote an article in May this year titled, It’s Hard to take Impeachment Seriously Now in which he said,
    
    “Since then the 2018 midterm election, House Democrats have made it painfully clear that discussing impeachment is primarily or even exclusively a tool to weaken President Trump’s chances in 2020.”
    
    Never truer words spoken, but he now claims to have changed his mind.
    
    Schiff chose these “witnesses” because he knew what they’d say.
    
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    December 6, 2019 2:51pm
    - Batman
      
      Mate, Feldman said he was an impeachment sceptic until he heard about the 25 July call and attempt to procure election interference.
      
      That somewhat strengthens his argument. And attacking their personal views doesn’t weaken their legal arguments, it just makes Matt Gaetz and you look like you’re dodging the issue.
      
      You also forgot to credit the dissenting professor who was there to rep the Republican side.
      
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      December 6, 2019 3:31pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Bullshit
        Feldman is on film talking about impeachment has far back as eárly 2017
        As for Turley
        You should watch his brief
        
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        December 7, 2019 8:14am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Wah, wah. Just attacking the process – no attempt to defend their orange overlord’s actions.
      
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      December 6, 2019 5:41pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Orange overlord.. You mean ardern on a bad hair day?
        
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        December 6, 2019 11:36pm
MrTips

In breaking news, PM Jacinda Ardern has launched a full scale inquiry into the presence of a squirrel up a tree in Sandringham. Commenting on the matter, Ardern stated: “This is a matter of the upmost importance and I make this promise to the people of NZ; there is no place for squirrels in NZ and I will leave no stone unturned in getting to the bottom of the matter”. Ardern went on to announce the formation of a national committee that will report back in 9 months. Its terms of reference will include; what squirrels look like, their native habitat, how it may have got into NZ and options going forward for a working party to investigate the matter. Minister for the ~~Pork Barrel~~ Provincial Growth Fund, Shane Jones, also announced simultaneously (and sometimes shouting over the voice of the PM) that he is looking at allocating PGF funds towards the planting of trees that squirrels can’t climb. “It is well known” he went on and on, “that the Northern tribes used to deal with squirrels and pests in this way. I look forward to establishing job opportunities and re-election promises focused on lifting this members mercurial mana”.

When spoken to, the owners of the property where the alleged squirrel was observed stated: ”Bonkers. We rang pest control because we saw a possum in one of our neighbour’s trees, some guy and his missus with a new baby. Next thing we know, the missus comes over – photographer in tow – and gives us a hug, snaps a shot, expresses empathy for the “tragedy of it all” and buggers off. The photographer left some pamphlet about well-being on the internet and how to avoid squirrels – bloody weird if you ask me”.

MPI indicated it had received no notifications of squirrel sightings in NZ , but confirmed that trees still point upwards.
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December 6, 2019 9:59am
greybeard

Faafoi and Woods must like the same pies.
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December 6, 2019 10:34am
- burt
  
  Does Faafoi have kids who go to Labour camps ?
  
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  December 6, 2019 11:13am
- Tall Man
  
  Or quantity.
  
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  December 6, 2019 11:32pm
GoVege

Glad to see an “anti-vaxxer” has been jailed in Samoa.
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December 6, 2019 12:03pm
453mm

What obnoxious troll saw fit to downvote nearly every congratulations comment on the Samuel Farrar announcement post yesterday?

That’s just petty.
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December 6, 2019 12:25pm
Swifty

[Mod: deleted and a warning.]
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December 6, 2019 1:06pm
- Swifty
  
  Fair enough.
  
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  December 6, 2019 1:36pm
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    Come on Swifty… Harden up 🙂
    
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    December 6, 2019 11:30pm
curry4me

‘Experts’ claim Brexit will destabilize the Fourth Reich. Where’s the down side?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86TUZixqswE
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December 6, 2019 1:24pm
curry4me

There have been protests in Wenlou on the mainland. The building of a crematorium in a park was the catalyst.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W5Z7ly_Pes
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December 6, 2019 1:25pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  That really is sooo scary curry 🙁
  We just can’t understand why this current crop of pollies have been prepared to sell their soles to the CCP.
  And that book he mentions at the end looks interesting – ‘SILENT INVASION: China’s Interference in Australia’ [I’ve just ordered it for my partner from Amazon}
  
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  December 6, 2019 3:40pm
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    Yes, imagine how well things would be going for the presitator if HC was president. America Uncovered is worth watching too.
    
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    December 6, 2019 8:16pm
Fletch

More expensive green policies.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/404905/aucklanders-to-get-kerbside-compost-collection-from-2021
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December 6, 2019 2:45pm
- DigNap15
  
  I hope they fill them up with used nappies
  
  i think we are going to get the same here in Tauranga.
  
  But they are doing a “survey” first.
  
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  December 6, 2019 7:03pm
Jack5

The Point of Order blog has an interesting piece on standards for newspaper cartoons.

It contrasts reaction to the Otago Daily Times’s Tremain cartoon on the measles epidemic with non-reaction to the cartoon in Stuff publications on ACT MP Seymour.

https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2019/12/06/if-controversial-cartoon-had-been-rejected-by-the-odt-there-would-be-no-baying-for-tremains-blood/Stuff:
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December 6, 2019 3:02pm
Maggy Wassilieff

There has never been a New Zealand prime minister more engaged with contemporary homegrown musicians than Jacinda Ardern. She’s forever bigging them up, giving them prizes, playing their heavy metal ditties to her baby. And this is how they repay her.

https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/06-12-2019/kris-faafoi-jason-kerrison-and-the-ministerial-opportunity-shop/

Might be time for the PM to start mixing with folks who have a tad of integrity.
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December 6, 2019 3:27pm
Tall Man

Just heard on the Ryan Bridge show that ardern did a runner from the event in Grey Lynn after refusing to talk to media.

Can somebody fill me in on the true meaning of “open and transparent” as my brain says something different in my head when I hear those words to what actually is happening 🙁
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December 6, 2019 3:43pm
- chaos
  
  It depends what you mean. Is this government openly corrupt? Yes. Are they transparently useless? Yes.
  
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  December 6, 2019 3:50pm
  - Tall Man
    
    That’s what I mean. I hear apples but see bananas.
    
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    December 6, 2019 9:33pm
Rodney Randall

A follow on from the article a few days ago featuring a letter from NZ professors suggesting NZ Universities adopt Chicago’s Statement on Academic Freedom.

http://www.nzinitiative.org.nz/reports-and-media/opinion/learn-from-the-us-response-to-the-hecklers-veto/

Learn from the US response to the ‘heckler’s veto’
Dr Eric Crampton
3 December, 2019

“In 2014, the University of Chicago appointed a Committee on Freedom of Expression tasked with drafting a statement “articulating the University’s overarching commitment to free, robust, and uninhibited debate and deliberation among all members of the University’s community.”

The Committee’s report affirmed the University’s commitment to academic freedom. They wrote:

“Of course the ideas of different members of the University community will often and quite naturally conflict. But it is not the proper role of the University to attempt to shield individuals from ideas and opinions they find unwelcome, disagreeable, or even deeply offensive. Although the University greatly values civility, and although all members of the University community share in the responsibility for maintaining a climate of mutual respect, concerns about civility and mutual respect can never be used as a justification for closing off discussion of ideas, however offensive or disagreeable those ideas may be to some members of the community.
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As a corollary to the University’s commitment to protect and promote free expression, members of the University community must also act in conformity with the principle of free expression. Although members of the University community are free to criticize and contest the views expressed on campus, and to criticize and contest speakers who are invited to express their views on campus, they may not obstruct or otherwise interfere with the freedom of others to express views they reject or even loathe. To this end, the University has a solemn responsibility not only to promote a lively and fearless freedom of debate and deliberation, but also to protect that freedom when others attempt to restrict it.”

The President of the University of Chicago, Robert Zimmer, penned an op-ed for the Wall Street Journal publicly reaffirming the University’s commitment to freedom of speech and academic freedom. He warned of risks to freedom of speech on campus: pressure to disinvite speakers, students’ shouting-down of unpopular speakers, student demands to eliminate uncomfortable readings, and calls for academics to apologise for unpopular views. And he noted that, too often, university administrators supported censorious demands.”
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December 6, 2019 4:12pm
Michael

Massey and VIC won’t sign…
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December 6, 2019 4:42pm
Jack5

Former National Minister Chris Finlayson was on Radio NZ’s Panel this afternoon. He expressed his contempt for “populism”, and his dislike of Boris Johnson, Trump, and NZ First.

Finlayson did’t win an electorate seat and his views on the hoi polloi are an indication of why not.

He and Sue Bradford discussed Faafoi, Samoa’s measles outbreak, video porn trends, food dishes that shocked them, politics, apostrophes, and politics.

The stand-in host of the panel, Emile Donovan, was surprisingly good. It was one of the better recent Panel episodes.

Bradford expressed sympathy with Faafoi, but Finlayson said he didn’t think the end had been heard of the affair.

Panel Part 1:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=2018725781

Panel Part 2:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=2018725787
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December 6, 2019 5:41pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/south-pacific/117998331/samoa-measles-outbreak-millions-needed-to-fix-samoan-health-system

Bullshit.
All that is required is for their health system to be administered and monitored by a couple of sensible doctors.
You know: like a couple of them who have been there for years and doing their best but who have been ripped-off by the corrupt Island “govt”.
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December 6, 2019 6:16pm
- Tall Man
  
  Honest people you mean…..
  
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  December 6, 2019 11:29pm
chaos

* Two browsers have yanked Avast and AVG online security extensions from their web stores after a report revealed that they were unnecessarily sucking up a ton of data about users’ browsing history.

Wladimir Palant, the creator behind Adblock Plus, initially surfaced the issue—which extends to Avast Online Security and Avast SafePrice as well as Avast-owned AVG Online Security and AVG SafePrice extensions—in a blog post back in October but this week flagged the issue to the companies themselves. In response, both Mozilla and Opera yanked the extensions from their stores. However, as of Wednesday, the extensions curiously remained in Google’s extensions store.*

https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2019/12/stop-using-avast-and-avg-plugins-right-now/
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December 6, 2019 6:33pm
cmm

Two of the worlds national carriers took a beating this week: South African Airways and Alitalia.

Article in Herald fails to mention the biggest factor in both: Corruption.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/travel/news/article.cfm?c_id=7&objectid=12290548&ref=clavis
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December 6, 2019 6:54pm
brett68

Why hasn’t Bridges ruled out working with NZ First?
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December 6, 2019 7:34pm
fightingtemeraire

Next one will be Air India
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December 6, 2019 7:50pm
- Tall Man
  
  Why? What do you mean?
  
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  December 6, 2019 11:25pm
Hugh Pavletich

While interest rates are rising …

Kiwibank raises two fixed rates, one of them by ending a low-rate ‘special’. It is a move that has a knock-on impact. We review why rates seem to be turning higher at this time … David Chaston … Interest Co NZ

https://www.interest.co.nz/personal-finance/102906/kiwibank-raises-two-fixed-rates-one-them-ending-low-rate-special-it-move-has

Kiwibank is ending its one year 3.39% fixed home loan special.

And it is raising its 5 year carded fixed rate.

The one year change actually has a downstream impact. ANZ had advised its front-line staff that it would match that rate, and our tables reflected that official position. But now Kiwibank has moved away from that rate, the ANZ rate now reverts to its carded 3.55% rate. … read more via hyperlink above …
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$20 billion boost to bank safety expected to up mortgage rates by 20 to 60 basis points … Tom Pullar – Strecker … Stuff NZ

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/12/general_debate_5_december_2019.html/comment-page-1#comment-2603238
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December 6, 2019 8:04pm
Fletch

Ouch –

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3098202093572256&set=a.1684669388258874&type=3&theater
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December 6, 2019 8:41pm
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND … Are you aware of population growth realities within New Zealand ? …

… Why is Greater Christchurch (Selwyn – Waimakariri – Christchurch) 2.0% current provisional population growth higher than Auckland’s 1.5% ? …

… Is the ‘flight to affordability’ more intense and extensive than the provisional figures suggest ? …

Estimated population up in all regions … 22 October 2019 … Statistics NZ

https://www.stats.govt.nz/news/estimated-population-up-in-all-regions

Northland, Waikato, and Bay of Plenty were the fastest-growing regions in the year ended 30 June 2019, while the West Coast only had a small increase, Stats NZ said today.

The provisional estimated resident population of all 16 regions and most territorial authority areas grew in the year ended 30 June 2019.

Five regions had growth greater than the national average of 1.6 percent in the year ended 30 June 2019:

Northland (2.3 percent)
Waikato (2.1 percent)
Bay of Plenty (2.0 percent)
Canterbury (1.8 percent)
Otago (1.7 percent).

Five regions grew less than 1 percent: Nelson and the West Coast grew 0.98 and 0.2 percent, respectively, with Gisborne, Marlborough, and Southland all growing 0.8 percent. New Zealand’s largest region, Auckland, grew 1.5 percent, just below the national average. Read more via hyperlink above …
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… The above accessed via recent Statistics New Zealand release …

New stand-alone houses (consents / approvals) pick up … Statistics New Zealand

https://www.stats.govt.nz/news/new-stand-alone-houses-pick-up
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December 6, 2019 10:52pm
Tall Man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5HKkUeGLBE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1qm7YYYsWs

People, is ardern the result of a dream… or a horrible nightmare.

Mods… I’m ready for more 😉
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