General Debate 3 December 2019

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mikenmildagain

Hey, hey, it’s the International Day of Persons with Disabilities!
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December 3, 2019 8:01am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Have you noticed how many of them seem to work at Countdown?
  
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  December 3, 2019 8:16am
  - Tall Man
    
    Those trolleys don’t take themselves back you know.
    
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    December 3, 2019 10:48am
    - sooty
      
      Cheap labour?
      
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      December 3, 2019 12:12pm
      - peterwn
        
        It has to be at least the legal minimum wage. Helen Clark’s government changed the law so handicapped people could not be paid less than the minimum wage despite that AFAIK they could remain on a disability benefit. Result – IHC had to close its sheltered workshops.
        
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        December 3, 2019 12:58pm
    - barnacle bill
      
      And you are correct Tall man.
      
      And good on Countdown and New World for giving these people a chance of employment.
      
      They are a very happy bunch of people.
      
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      December 3, 2019 2:44pm
  - SGA
    
    Have you noticed how many of them seem to work at Countdown?
    
    My local New World seems willing to provide work for people with some disabilities – good on them.
    
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    December 3, 2019 1:10pm
- skyblue
  
  You must feel good today having a day named after you.
  
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  December 3, 2019 8:24am
- Tony Stuart
  
  I had breakfast at Rotary yesterday with a chap by the name of Robert Martin, who is a member of our Club. Robert is a member of the United Nations Committee on the Rights pf People With Disabilities.
  
  What makes this remarkable is that Robert himself was born with an intellectual disability. He spent many years at Kimberley in Levin, where he suffered all sorts of abuse. He now lives in Whanganui with his wife, and is a staunch advocate for those with all manner of disabilities, but especially the intellectually disable.
  
  Robert is the first person with an intellectual disability to have ever been elected to serve on a UN committee. Not so long ago, he chaired a meeting of the UN committee in Geneva. The NZ government has nominated him for election again next year, to serve a second term. Much of the committee’s work is directed at countries in Asia and Eastern Europe, where the disabled community is treated in an outdated an inhumane manner.
  
  I thank mikenmild for giving me the opportunity to celebrate Robert, and others who have risen above the hand that was dealt to them by accident of birth. They have my absolute admiration.
  
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  December 3, 2019 8:26am
- toby1845
  
  Then enjoy your day, milky. It’s all about you!
  
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  December 3, 2019 9:26am
Raphael

based on lasts nights poll, and keeping in mind that somehow there are enough battered voters who keep thinking “that maybe this time Winston will be different. It was really my fault last time, but this time will be better” that he normally picks up a % or two in the actual election.

At what point can we feed NZF, Peters and Jones into the political wood chipper? (or compost heap, dunny pit take your pick really)
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December 3, 2019 8:04am
- Blackbob
  
  Hopefully the day after the next election…
  
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  December 3, 2019 8:14am
- oldgolfer
  
  Anytime from noon today would do.
  
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  December 3, 2019 8:15am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  The NZ voters will turn against the government quickly, once a recession of significance comes along.
  There really hasn’t been one for over a generation in this country. The Chinese younger than 65 have no memory of economic decline, since the Chinese economy has been growing mightily since the early 1980s. Similarly for Indians.
  
  Who reading this can remember +8% unemployment and streets littered with “for sale” signs? If you can, then you must be at least 55 or have lived overseas in a downturn.
  
  At this moment, the Auckland skyline has so many cranes. In my suburb of Orakei, numerous gangs of Chinese laborers are building multistory mansions. Few households on my street (apart from the State housing residents) are native speakers of English.
  
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  December 3, 2019 8:21am
- chaos
  
  I don’t discount Peters because he typically gains votes on the night, greens typically lose them. However, my GP and I often talk politics and he was saying that all his oldies that vote Winston are saying they no longer support him and for those who are party members they have quit the party. Hmmm.
  
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  December 3, 2019 8:22am
  - Tall Man
    
    However, he has the NZ First Foundation to fleece a few more “investors” that can be siphoned into either vote buying or a “sympathy fund” for “what’s in it for wynston” should he get the big gumboot up his arse.
    
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    December 3, 2019 10:47am
    - Simon Gotlieb
      
      Agreed. Additionally, the change in law for political donations ain’t gonna stop that either.
      
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      December 3, 2019 4:50pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Which is why ardern signed off this particular stupid idea.
        
        I would imagine that Greenpeace International would “gift” the $300K to greenpeace NZ to keep their influence over the watermelons. I doubt that would be a problem for ardern and her crew of twats either would it?
        
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        December 3, 2019 7:19pm
- tas
  
  When the official results of the election are announced and not a moment sooner.
  
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  December 3, 2019 8:33am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Their voters are not too bright and very forgetful. I’d say the most effective way to hurt them would be to just not talk about them at all, especially close to the election.
  
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  December 3, 2019 8:33am
  - Paulus
    
    But Cindy has done a secret deal with Peters for an electorate seat – somewhere !
    
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    December 3, 2019 1:42pm
- Than
  
  Three things National should do to try and push NZF under the 5% threshold;
  
  1. Simon Bridges should firmly and unequivocally rule out working with NZF after the election. Make it absolutely clear a vote for NZF is effectively a vote for a Labour-led government.
  
  2. Keep pointing out NZF’s inaction on reducing immigration.
  
  3. Keep pointing out NZF’s inaction on the Maori seats.
  
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  December 3, 2019 8:57am
  - septic skeptic
    
    4. Keep asking questions about their donors and trusts.
    5. Remind people about signing up to the UN migration pact.
    
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    December 3, 2019 10:34am
  - tas
    
    4. Keep pointing out Peters’ dodgy dealings.
    
    I particularly agree with #1. Peters gets a lot of mileage out of sitting on the fence and convincing disaffected voters from both sides that he’ll keep them honest. He needs to be deprived of that.
    
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    December 3, 2019 11:04am
G152

Fake news put a poll out for liebor last week.
Liebor way way ahead, Peters doing great, greens over the top.
National dead and gone
Oh dear some terrible person did an actual poll and released it during
the latest liebor hands down pants event.
🙂
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December 3, 2019 8:10am
- Simon Gotlieb
  
  Nah.
  
  Both polls were inaccurate. The reality is probably somewhere in the middle.
  
  Unfortunately, not many on this site will put aside their partisan views for long enough to recognise that polling methodology is out of whack so much that either side will claim victory.
  
  It’s all bullshit.
  
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  December 3, 2019 4:52pm
  - Tall Man
    
    17% declined to answer. That’s your clue simple simon…. bye bye for ardern 2020.
    
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    December 3, 2019 7:08pm
artemisia

The $400 million for all schools, even if they don’t need it. Like for example new schools just come on stream.

I guess all schools have to be included as otherwise there will be a tsunami of principals saying hey, what about OUR gutters.

About those gutters, just as a practical example and leaving aside this is a maintenance issue not an infrastructure issue. There have been media interviews talk of holes in guttering being fixed. At last.

Random impertinent questions – what are those schools spending their maintenance money on, do they have a maintenance plan, are gutter holes on the priority list or just being left to deteriorate further. Until expensive replacement is needed, not budget level patching.
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December 3, 2019 8:12am
- The King
  
  Home school your children, they are teaching them nothing but Marxist propaganda.
  
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  December 3, 2019 10:28am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    The King
    My Son is dyslexic and at primary school he had two teachers who really understood him. One at a private and one at state school.
    He went to an Intermediate Normal school where they teach the teachers!!! By the end of the 1st year he was in free fall and we decided to home school him.
    For the 1st year we didn’t do much as he needed to recover and we tried to get him to go to secondary in 3rd 4th and 5th years. NO WAY.
    He went to Home School groups and also things like Pony Club and he played hockey for a Catholic School in East Coast Bays. ( we aren’t Catholic but were shorty of a player!!!)
    2 weeks before 6th form started he said he wanted to go to school!!!!
    We got him into Birkenhead College and they were great.
    At end of 7th form he had 6 x 6th form certificates and 5 x Bursary PLUS an A- in a uni paper.
    He is now doing a PhD extra morally unfortunately at Massey. He got his BA and MA at Massey before this idiot took over,
    
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    December 3, 2019 2:11pm
    - artemisia
      
      Your boy is extra lucky with his parents. Our boy did not learn to read till he was nine. We let him take his time in an alternative school environment. Since graduated from uni, runs his own business, and is a great dad to 5 (even though usually sleep deprived).
      
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      December 3, 2019 3:56pm
- Raphael
  
  I think it was 2000 schools that will qualify for it.
  so $200k per school
  
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  December 3, 2019 10:37am
  - hullkiwi
    
    No. Some schools are getting $40₩k some are getting $30k to $60k.
    
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    December 3, 2019 1:10pm
    - Tall Man
      
      I think the minimum is $50K so the 2 child school is going to do quite well……..
      
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      December 3, 2019 7:04pm
Maggie Pie

Most people who meet my partners mum for the first time say what a lovely
gentle person she is.

This morning she emails:

SUBJECT: Good f~~king job. Karma’s a bitch!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12290284
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December 3, 2019 8:13am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Two questions:
  1. Is Eric Watson as much of a slimeball as he seems to be?
  2. Is Justice Matthew Palmer the son of Sir Geoffrey?
  
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  December 3, 2019 1:21pm
  - Souvlaki
    
    Yes to both .
    
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    December 3, 2019 1:46pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Yes to both Capt’n.
    Ma lost a six figuire in the Hanover collapse and has been waiting for this day to come.
    
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    December 3, 2019 1:51pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Thought so.
      Thanks Maggy. Good luck to Ma.
      
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      December 3, 2019 8:23pm
John Warren

Cindy’s pathetic appeal (heard on RNZ just now) to irresponsible anti-vaxxers to look deep within themselves and reflect on the course they’ve chosen (she doesn’t believe in compulsory vaccination) was something to make you slap your own ears and cry.
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December 3, 2019 8:15am
Justitia

It was encouraging to see both Act and the New Conservatives gaining support. We have two right wing parties getting traction, one libertarian, the other socially conservative, who probably appeal to quite different constituencies with a few overlaps eg on free speech and gun ownership. The overwhelming priority however must be to get rid of the coalition of liars at the next election so tactical voting will be crucial. Act have the major advantage at present of an electorate seat, what can be done to help the New Conservatives into Parliament?
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December 3, 2019 8:18am
- curry4me
  
  If you have Face Book, send a link to the New Conservatives site to your friends. Or just share their stuff to your page.
  
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  December 3, 2019 10:57am
Captain Mainwaring

Once again Air New Zealand overreacts to a weather forecast and makes an announcement the previous night that the next morning’s flights in and out of
Wellington are cancelled.
The forecast 140 km/h winds turned out to be barely half that and hundreds of travellers are inconvenienced.
Go JetStar.
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December 3, 2019 8:22am
- srylands
  
  Yes at least so far it is nothing much in Wellington. The West Coast looks a bit ominous with the rain forecast. 500 mm.
  
  Of course the New Zealand Herald talks it up. “Air NZ cancels Wellington flights as severe storm hits”.
  
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  December 3, 2019 8:25am
- Lance
  
  So you think JetStar is more reliable than Air NZ?
  
  Snigger
  
  Lets just say 6 utter fuckups in a short space of time with a smattering of incompetence and an oversupply of arrogance drove me away from JetStar forever.
  The best one was being seated on an aircraft, all ready to go when they decided the aircraft was needed for another route and everyone was kicked off, and you had to fight to get rebooked 8 FUCKING hours later. Along with 2 cancelled flights at the last flight out for the night and NO accomodation offered or provided, just a big fuck off.
  I know people which have had no problems with JetStar, I guess they were lucky? My biggest problem was with their attitude, they just wanted you to fuck off and don’t bother them.
  
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  December 3, 2019 8:52am
- Tall Man
  
  Downticked for mentioning jetstar 😉
  
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  December 3, 2019 9:18am
- mikenmildagain
  
  It’s a pity Air NZ don’t rely on your advice about safety margins. Why is that?
  
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  December 3, 2019 9:38am
Happychappy

Anyone that votes for Peters is a vote for treachery as he will say one thing and give two finger salute when elected. With the lies and deceit Winston has told over the years I think selling out his main voter might have been a step to far.
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December 3, 2019 8:23am
Swifty

Interesting to see Tauranga’s Peter Malcolm of ‘Closing the Gap’ today exhorting the government to intervene in free markets and make unlawful business owners and directors paying CEOs what they believe them to be worth.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/117883071/its-time-to-shake-off-the-culture-that-accepts-bosses-being-paid-millions

http://www.closingthegap.org.nz/

Where does one even begin with this wrong-headed babble?

A few points to note though:

1. He provides no evidence whatsoever the ‘inequality’ is a bad thing – merely asserts it is responsible for every malady known to humankind (this includes, he states, obesity, imprisonment, infant mortality, drug and alcohol abuse, mental illness and teenage suicides)

2. There is no mention made of lifting up the bottom – merely crushing the top.

3. No discussion about how his ideas of limiting CEO pay could possibly work in practice e.g. what about the 2nd tier employees of an organisation – are they all capped too?

4. No discussion whatsoever of the correctness or even implications of implementing such a society-changing move as making unlawful freely entering on to employment agreements where there are willing buyers and sellers.

5. He floats a 70% top tax rate for incomes above $200k. He presents this as an absolutely good thing with no discussion whatsoever of any downsides including the lowering of total tax revenue; an outcome perversely contrary to his objectives.

What a total waste of reader’s time and a very poorly argued proposition – but no doubt many drongoes and statists will lap it up.

I despair.
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December 3, 2019 8:27am
the deity formerly known as nigel6888

I see the media is keeping very quiet about the massive Police privacy and security breach this morning.

Unbelievable. 38,000 New Zealanders have their names, bank account details, addresses and the fact that they own(ed) prohibited firearms, splashed across the internet.

Because of incompetence.

The Police and the Select Committee were warned that a gun register was a shopping list for criminals.

The Select Committee was warned that the Police had never managed their obligations under the Arms Act well, and should not be relied on to design or administer a new management regime.

Did the Select Committee listen? No. Both Labour and National (yes you Judith Collins) took turns bagging and belittling responsible firearms owners who objected to being scapegoated for a failure of the Police to administer their own legisation properly.

And now what. Unlimited funds thrown at Police to “solve” the problem of licensed firearms owners owning weapons, and all they have done is render us all unsafe. Exactly was was predicted, and warned about.

and the Police hide under a desk with their feckless Minister and start spinning blame and bullshit, again!

Thanks, team!

Perhaps now some grown-ups will come forward. If you are going to do this bloody stupid thing (gun registration) set up a professional body to do it properly.

Give it to the Cops, and you will get the lost property officer trying to fit it in to their other duties…. or at least till they outsource it to a call centre to save money again.
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December 3, 2019 8:33am
- The King
  
  This wasn’t a breach this was deliberately done.
  
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  December 3, 2019 10:32am
- Simon Gotlieb
  
  Yeah. “Splashed across the internet”…
  
  Didn’t happen. Save your hyperbole.
  
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  December 3, 2019 4:56pm
  - Nutta
    
    It is available in places that you won’t find with a Google search.
    
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    December 3, 2019 10:33pm
artemisia

I’m picking that Ms Ardern’s 2 minute vid of the Year of Delivery was played at the Labour conference last weekend. On continuous loop.
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December 3, 2019 8:38am
Maggy Wassilieff

Jacinda Ardern is in trouble.
She can insist that only 1 unauthorised person had access to the Gun hand-in data, but it looks like a number of ordinary citizens have also seen private information about licenced firearm owners.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018725120/council-of-licenced-firearms-owners-claims-members-saw-buyback-data
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December 3, 2019 8:39am
- KevO'Brien
  
  When the Public Service realise that their Ministers are basically incompetent they make their own way so that programmes continue.
  
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  December 3, 2019 8:43am
  - John Warren
    
    Yes, Minister.
    
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    December 3, 2019 10:17am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Let’s see her lie her way out of this one.
  
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  December 3, 2019 8:44am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    She was nearly bawling at the end of her RNZ interview this morning.
    (from 8:37 as she is being asked whether Nash needs to resign)
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018725124/gun-buyback-data-breach-not-government-s-fault-jacinda-ardern
    
    I reckon her story will be changed by the end of the day.
    
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    December 3, 2019 8:50am
    - Inandout
      
      Maggy, Jacinda said Nash was ‘only the Minister’ so why should he resign? If he is only the Minister, and not responsible, then his salary should be downgraded to suit.
      
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      December 3, 2019 9:02am
      - Libertarians are right
        
        Remember – Jacinda doesn’t actually know what good governance is.
        
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        December 3, 2019 11:15am
    - Swifty
      
      In pressure interviews she forces a smile to alter her voice and make it sound like she’s got no worries.
      
      An old tactic.
      
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      December 3, 2019 9:03am
    - lifesgood
      
      Yep, on the verge of tears. Why doesn’t she just give up. She is a complete disaster, way out of her depth and losing whatever little control she ever had. I don’t wish ill on anyone but if she carries on like this she could be heading for a breakdown. Best to move on, I think, for everyone’s sake
      
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      December 3, 2019 9:03am
      - JackRabbit
        
        Given the sheer amount of lies, if she had a breakdown, it would be good for everyone including her. A breakdown would a sign of an internal struggle of values, and some remnant, be it small, of a conscience.
        
        Unfortunately at the moment, her lying ego is winning and her conscience is almost snuffed out of existence.
        
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        December 3, 2019 10:31am
      - jcuk
        
        Recently I was asked who the PM was …
        “some twit…. Jacinda Adhern”
        Snort from my questioner that ended our discussion.
        Poor woman didn’t like th comment I think 🙂
        
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        December 3, 2019 12:29pm
      - Scooter
        
        Sounded more like on the verge of laughter at the end, I think she’s losing it.
        
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        December 3, 2019 8:41pm
    - sooty
      
      How did you like her good morning/ hello at the begining? She did not want to be there, and yes I think she was off to have a blub after finishing!
      
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      December 3, 2019 9:14am
    - jonno1
      
      Wow, the vocal fry was in overdrive by the end of that interview too. Why do some women do that when under stress?
      
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      December 3, 2019 9:20am
    - Greg Ettridge
      
      Maggy you will be comforted to know that only law abiding citizens will have their private details revealed, the gangs will totally unaffected.
      It will be business as usual for them.
      This COL rabble couldn’t be trusted to run a chook raffle, that alone protect people’s Personal details.
      The buck stops at anyone that isn’t in the COL caucus.
      
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      December 3, 2019 9:40am
      - skyblue
        
        I wouldn’t buy a raffle ticket for a chook from this lot. If I was unlucky enough to win I would get salmonella eating the chicken.
        
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        December 3, 2019 9:46am
    - cmm
      
      WTF is the point of having a Minister if they are not accountable?
      
      We hire them to oversea their portfolios for us. If they are not doing their jobs properly then we need someone else.
      
      But the big question is this: got anyone better than Nash to put in the job?
      
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      December 3, 2019 10:41am
    - John Warren
      
      Hell’s teeth! She sounds like she’s lost the will to live.
      
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      December 3, 2019 10:49am
  - hullkiwi
    
    She is not going to lie. SAP conveniently have taken the hot for the CoL & the Police. And Clements is milking it for all it is worth!
    
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    December 3, 2019 9:00am
- artemisia
  
  Who signed off the change request, before and after? What happened to the pre production environment / user testing phases?
  
  Can’t see how Police can walk away from responsibility.
  
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  December 3, 2019 8:47am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The responsibility is both individual and collective. The PM, Police Min and Police Chief are in the firing line. They get paid for that.
    If PM Ardone thinks she out of it she should return to the fishnchip stall.
    
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    December 3, 2019 1:22pm
  - Simon Gotlieb
    
    From the press releases, it appears that the upgrade was performed without any change request, so Police never got any opportunity to consider the effects.
    
    Added to that, the Police Minister cannot interfere with daily operations, which this definitely comes under, so any suggestion he should resign is ridiculous, as the vendor was at fault for violating the agreement.
    
    It’s as ludicrous as expecting the Transport minister to resign because a car driven dangerously by a boy racer crashed into some innocents.
    
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    December 3, 2019 5:00pm
    - hullkiwi
      
      You believe the porkies of Clements then? So, I presume you also believed the lies of the former Secretary to the Treasury also?
      
      Nobody in the software industry transfers a systems change from a test environment to live production without following well rehearsed protocols. This c**k up smells more of a NZ Police IT screw up than one by SAP.
      
      Why did SAP take ownership, there is a $2bn budget for developing the next Firearms database……
      
      Given you believe your CoL politicians, were you in line to buy a KiwiBuild house?
      
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      December 3, 2019 5:16pm
- Fletch
  
  There was a guy on NewstalkZB this morning from the gun lobby who says that many people had access, have taken screen shots of the data, and that a lawyer has claimed up to 13 people have contacted him who have had access. He says the info was up there for hours, people have been downloading it, and it could have ended up on the darknet.
  
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  December 3, 2019 8:49am
- Colville
  
  COLFO have confirmed that “a number” of their members have downloaded data and “at least one’ has downloaded the lot.
  
  Buts its not these guys we have to worry about… its the chap who has downloaded it then passed it onto someone else who has then sold it to the Mongrel Mob.
  
  What are the names addresses and bank accounts of 37125 firearms owners worth?
  
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  December 3, 2019 8:52am
  - Simon Gotlieb
    
    COLFO need to put up or shut up. The database has been checked and it’s found that this wasn’t the case.
    
    Now, somebody’s not telling the truth here.
    
    I say if they have proof as you say they should release it.
    
    Or STFU.
    
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    December 3, 2019 5:01pm
    - Nutta
      
      It doesn’t matter how many downloaded from the original source. Data transfers and gets hosted in multiple locations. Who knows how many places it sits now, and who has access? It’s out there and available.
      
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      December 3, 2019 10:38pm
- JackRabbit
  
  >>>”Jacinda Ardern is in trouble.
  She can insist that only 1 unauthorised person had access to the Gun hand-in data..”
  
  No, it is NZ that is in trouble. Yet another lie rolls off Jacinda’s tongue.
  
  Perhaps a good National and Act strategy would be to simply catalogue all the lies and hollow promises, put them into a bullet point list, and use that as 50% of the election advertising. i.e
  * Promise/Lie vs What really happened. (The other 50% is what National / Act will pledge to do.)
  
  * Promised no tax increases -vs- Raised Petrol tax
  * Promised no tax increases -vs- Killed planned tax cuts
  * Only one person accessed gun data -vs- 100 people got the entire list
  * Non Law abiding visitor goes on killing spree -vs- Takes guns off law abiding citizens
  * Non Law abiding visitor goes on killing spree -vs- Does not takes guns off criminal gangs
  * Claims sustainability outlook -vs- goes on as many international airline trips as possible.
  * Claims transparent govt -vs- PM’s office Groper not yet dealt with.
  * Claims transparent govt -vs- takes no action on Deputy PM’s fraud.
  
  You get the idea.
  Planes, Trains, Automobiles, Houses, Trees, Fiscal Responsibility, Sexual predators, publicly attacking Rape Victims……
  
  The list is extensive, and none of it is slander, as it is all a matter of public record.
  
  It is payback time. For the last 2 years, every time Labour are caught failing, they blame it on National and the last 9 years. It is time for Labour to look in the mirror and have their own blame slap them in the face.
  
  Let Jacinda be hoisted by her own petard. Let her lies come back to haunt her. Let Labour lose the election.
  
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  December 3, 2019 9:09am
  - The King
    
    Why are national not hammering these points everyday? they just give her a free ride everytime.
    
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    December 3, 2019 10:40am
    - JackRabbit
      
      They should – if they were smart. All they would be doing would is catching Labour out at Labour’s own game.
      
      National have not figured out that while you need to stay honest, you can still fight fire with fire.
      
      They could pre-empt legal threats from Peters by having:
      
      *Transparent government -vs- always resort to legal action to deflect lies being outed.
      
      They need a bulldog, and Bridges is not it.
      
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      December 3, 2019 1:31pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Timing is everything and you do not want to wear out the message.
        
        Are you this impatient with everything or just Simon Bridges.
        
        The election is almost 11 months away and there is plenty of time to get the message out but why cramp ardern’s style when she is stabbing herself in the foot on a daily basis.
        
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        December 3, 2019 6:48pm
  - Ruahine
    
    Non Law abiding visitor goes on killing spree -vs- Does not takes guns off criminal gangs.
    
    It is a wonder Hug a Thug Little has not appointed Sonny Fatupaito as Deputy Police Minister. He (Sonny) probably knows where the guns are and they would not get stolen from from the criminals care so easily.
    
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    December 3, 2019 12:16pm
- cas
  
  If I heard it right, a very worrying thing about this appalling breach is that it was reported to police by a gun dealer, so the police wouldn’t have had any idea. This follows the breach of the Tuia data which was also reported to MCH. Does the Govt have a cyber expert to be on top of all this. Saw Jacinda on the am show – again another nothing to see here approach.
  
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  December 3, 2019 9:17am
- rouppe
  
  On the AM Show this morning she was wearing camo…
  
  I nearly spilled my breakfast all over the table.
  
  You come on national TV to talk about the gun buyback data breach wearing camo?! Wtf…
  
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  December 3, 2019 9:27am
- freethinker
  
  Heard ardern trying to defend the leak, also heard background music – Lies, Lies tell me big stinking Lies.
  
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  December 3, 2019 9:45am
  - sooty
    
    Well after all she was wearing a teatowel for the muzzies!
    What do you want her to wear a duck decoy on her head!
    
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    December 3, 2019 10:46am
    - Tall Man
      
      From May to August if that’s ok.
      
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      December 3, 2019 6:46pm
- cut n paster
  
  “Now look here Corin” let her off again and she weasels her way out, blah blah without really saying much… just sound bites, media minutes.
  Measles
  A leader in control and mother of a young child, would and should make immunisation totally compulsory and shape the consequences to get higher compliance.
  Other peoples children are dying as a consequence of New Zealand’s lax standards. Tighten up.. Sloppy Cindy..
  Gun Data
  Who signed the vendor agreement with SAP?
  Are there any provisions for when things are updated or processes that were not followed to get us here.
  Who fronts meetings with SAP? The Police (who are not beyond smoothing over issues – sad to say) or is there another govt dept (a third party) that handles these relationships.
  Most tranny government ever.
  Consequences to Come…
  
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  December 3, 2019 10:24am
  - Tall Man
    
    Notice how many times she said “let me finish”…..
    
    Same play book as corbyn.
    
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    December 3, 2019 6:45pm
srylands

Right so Air New Zealand has cancelled A320 flights from Wellington because of the weather. However I can see a tiny Sounds Air Cessna Caravan happily taking off. ?
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December 3, 2019 8:40am
- G152
  
  Used to fly out of Wellington – based at Paraparaumu and many times its been full left boot and the aircraft was still going right on takeoff.
  
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  December 3, 2019 10:36am
- cmm
  
  Different planes, different take off requirements.
  
  The wee Cessna has lots of room to move in with lots of space to correct any errors. An A320 – not so much.
  
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  December 3, 2019 10:38am
  - G152
    
    Used to see all the NAC aircraft on the deck while SAFE happily kept to their schedule no matter what the weather was
    
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    December 3, 2019 12:16pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Yeah but in a decent northerly those SAFE Bristol Frighteners would take about 20 minutes to get to Newlands.
      
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      December 3, 2019 1:25pm
Yvette

In 1978 I went to a Wellington’s Town Hall concert by Ivan Rebroff – internationally acclaimed German vocalist, passionate about Russian folk songs, rather fond of red wine, and had a range of four and a half octaves when full. After the interval the lead man in the balaliaka orchestra gave a solo performance and received a standing ovation greater than any that Rebroff himself until then that evening had received, and it was so obvious that Rebroff effusively congratulated him, but then turned to the audience and said “But remember, it was I who asked him to play …” and received another standing ovation.

Why then, in Preferred Prime Minister polling, is Jacinda Ardern on 36% and Winston only on 3 ?
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December 3, 2019 8:43am
- SGA
  
  In 1978 I went to a Wellington’s Town Hall concert by Ivan Rebroff
  
  Thanks Yvette for a pleasant memory from my childhood – my mother was fond of his singing and had an album – “Oh those Moscow nights … “
  
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  December 3, 2019 1:19pm
RRM

#SWEATY….

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-accuser-calls-bs-21011244
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December 3, 2019 8:54am
Maggie Pie

My partner reckons poor old Andrew would be …. “Sweating like a Seeing Eye Dog at a Korean BBQ” 😛

https://twitter.com/TheSun/status/1201547185147514880
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December 3, 2019 8:54am
- The King
  
  How do you get away with Asian eating dog jokes when i can’t even say “Islam is right about women” ???
  
  What is this moderator standard.
  
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  December 3, 2019 10:44am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    @The King
    
    I’ve now been commenting here for the best part of 10 months.
    If you don’t like some of the things i’ve had to say so far, just letting you know next year will be even worser 😛
    
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    December 3, 2019 11:54am
    - chaos
      
      Why make us wait, bring it on now
      
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      December 3, 2019 12:10pm
  - IC5000
    
    I guess the difference is that one comment is an off coloured joke while the other is hate.
    
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    December 3, 2019 7:04pm
Inandout

The chap on Garner today with the glasses from some Mangere unemployed centre talks some sense, but he seems to drop hints every week that he is a world traveller. He must have a private income.
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December 3, 2019 8:57am
- sooty
  
  Yep, he travls the world without leaving the farm!
  
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  December 3, 2019 10:49am
- John Warren
  
  Was that little Ricardo? One does wonder how he lives.
  
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  December 3, 2019 10:51am
  - artemisia
    
    If it was him, then not living the high life I guess. He was upset that he did not earn enough to bring his parents in from Mexico under the parents category.
    
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    December 3, 2019 3:51pm
mark15

Culpability
Noun.
Blameworthy,
(This article may need additional citations for accuracy)
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December 3, 2019 8:57am
Fletch

OMG. Joe Biden on when he was a life guard. He has “hairy legs that turn blonde in the sun, and the kids used to reach in the pool and rub my leg hair. I learned about roaches (?!)”…. And he “loves kids jumping on my lap”.

https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1201133973411434497

You can’t make this stuff up… The guy sounds like he has dementia.
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December 3, 2019 9:03am
artemisia

So bakery staff striking. One is an Auckland crate wash operator on $22.16 an hour. But not enough as he is the sole earner for his family, including 4 children.

Waiting for journalists to tell us what government transfers go into the household, why all the pay can at least sometimes go on APs, if they live in subsidised accommodation, and why the family have made decisions that do not allow them to live within their means.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/117810875/pay-us-fairly-for-overtime-hours-bread-factory-workers-demand
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December 3, 2019 9:07am
- chaos
  
  I’d say it is pretty hard for many to live within their means with the cost of petrol putting up the cost of living. Power price rises.
  
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  December 3, 2019 10:56am
- John Warren
  
  Why, if you’ve only elevated yourself to the level of a crate washer on $22.16 per hour, would you have 4 children?
  
  I mean, this isn’t exactly a new question, but I’ve never yet heard a satisfactory answer.
  
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  December 3, 2019 11:08am
  - artemisia
    
    You might very well ask that. I couldn’t possibly comment.
    
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    December 3, 2019 2:21pm
  - chaos
    
    Why not? I grew up with a friend who came from a poor family, but he had the most loving parents. Another friend’s parents were wealthy, father was a politician and shit did he beat the shit out of his kids
    
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    December 3, 2019 6:53pm
Colville

Gotta love the timing of the data leak of the firearms register coming withing 24 hours of a poll showing Cindy that she will be looking for a new job next year.

Merry Xmas Jacinda.
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December 3, 2019 9:08am
hullkiwi

If you want some good comedy and want to enjoy the suffering of others, go over to the Standard Open Mike for today. Lots of whining and gnashing of teeth over last night’s ONCB poll. This 36 hours after the close of the Feelz Good/Bribery/we can win in 2020 conference.

Oh dear………
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December 3, 2019 9:25am
JibberJabber

If only we could get Journalists to do their jobs like this guy, the Chief Executive of Fishmonger’s Hall describing the events as they unfolded.

https://twitter.com/BBCBreakfast/status/1201441741418717185
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December 3, 2019 9:27am
- Sacha
  
  Lukasz, the dishwasher, eh. Good man to have at your side –
  
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  December 3, 2019 1:49pm
Scott

One of the reasons that the democrats want to impeach Donald Trump is that otherwise he might get reelected!

Certainly judging by enthusiasm and crowd size he is well ahead of his closest rival Joe Biden.
Here is how Biden’s campaign spins it –
“Biden’s team insists his relatively modest crowds are mostly by design.

“Our campaign aims for a sweet spot of attendees so that the VP can personally connect with every voter in the room,” said Julia Krieger, Biden’s Iowa communications director.”

That sweet spot is about 125 to a max of 400 people. Meanwhile Donald Trump is drawing 20,000!

There’s only one winner in 2020 and it’s not sleepy Joe. ?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1057371
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December 3, 2019 9:31am
- SGA
  
  Take a breath, Scott, we haven’t even had the primaries yet, and you’d hope that a sitting President would be drawing bigger crowds than any of the Democratic contenders (it would be extremely concerning if he wasn’t) 🙂
  Just out of curiosity – if Trump was impeached (which I think is extremely unlikely) and Pence became President, are you saying that he would have little chance of getting elected in his own right?
  I’m actually looking forward to a Trump vs whoever election – I have no idea who will win, but I think it is going to be a very entertaining ride.
  
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  December 3, 2019 1:28pm
kevn

@Maggy… JA not bawling, but semi laughing/mocking Danns suggestion of nash resigning.
It is one of her traits.
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December 3, 2019 9:34am
- John Warren
  
  She has a very nasty, condescending streak.
  
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  December 3, 2019 11:09am
- Libertarians are right
  
  She’s laughing because she know any replacement will be far worse.
  
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  December 3, 2019 11:09am
secondcumming

The *GLOBAL DEBT CLOCK*, across all forms of borrowing, has breached US$250 Trillion.

Rising risk should deliver higher returns yet this is not happening.
It should be of concern to us all.
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December 3, 2019 9:34am
hullkiwi

Note to Matthew Hooton. I don’t know who you are batting for at the moment, but in my opinion some of your commentary was:
1. Wrong; and
2. Off the mark

Were you having a bad day, or had some denied you your bowl of cornflakes?

1. You were wrong about the the $400m Education sector bribe. Proper and honest analysis of the list of schools receiving money show:
– some of the schools listed have actual projects ready to go (these can be seen by the precise amount they have been allocated). I know of 2 schools in the list that have been waiting for their building repairs since 2015. One of the schools listed was ready to go in 2017, but the change of govt stopped the project dead – it was the wrong school in the wrong area (a high decile rural school in a National electorate). This school is back on the list, but the amount allocated is not enough.
– some of the schools do not have a fully defined project, but have been allocated eye watering round figure numbers.
– some the projects the schools will be unable to get tradesmen to carry out the work
– some of the work is funding as capital to repair what should have been opex.
– some of the projects are so far from starting that they are unlikely to be completed in the next 3 years let alone next year.
So, instead of a considered plan of investment, what we (the NZ taxpaying public) were presented with was a rushed list of wishful projects for future consideration, rather than a strategic plan to invest in NZ schools. In old money speak it was a bribe.

2. We all know the history of 2017. As you know after being built up as a king maker, Peters was in a position to deliver utu to National, and deliver it he did. In 2017, Peters misled the electorate as to his true intentions and may be wiser about him next year. On the contrary to what you said yesterday, many in the National Party (including MPs) are glad Peters went with Labour in 2017 and expect Peters to come undone by his own hand as happened in 1999 & 2008.

Maybe you are batting for someone who peddles in Labour misinformation, but as you know in politics events can mean circumstances change very quickly. Meaning you could very easily find yourself on the wrong side, pis**ng in the wrong direction.
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December 3, 2019 9:56am
Maggy Wassilieff

The data breach is exactly what the Licenced Firearm owners feared some months back.

They knew the CoL had a lousy track record for protecting data.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/116566283/data-breaches-spark-claims-gun-register-will-endanger-families-embolden-crims
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December 3, 2019 9:59am
- mikenmildagain
  
  What do you think the government has changed since 2017 to achieve this track record?
  
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  December 3, 2019 10:40am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Inability to oversee contracts where personal data needs protection.
    
    Inability to ensure private contractors are capable of performing to the standard expected…
    (especially the Tuia 250 breach)
    
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    December 3, 2019 11:45am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      What I asked was how this has changed since 2017. So, are you aware of specific actions the government has taken that have weakened data protection?
      
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      December 3, 2019 12:03pm
      - Tall Man
        
        More a case of what they don’t do as “inaction” is the order of the day.
        
        When the head of an organisation is an utter twit it doesn’t take long for standards to drop. Look at the labour party.
        
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        December 3, 2019 3:02pm
      - Nutta
        
        In IT, inaction leaves you exposed to newly found vulnerabilities. The question should be what actions have they proactively taken since 2017 to keep up with changes in the threat landscape.
        ?
        
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        December 3, 2019 10:47pm
    - MrLovebucket
      
      Exactly. Govt agencies now no longer hire based on ability. It doesn’t matter if you are competent and can do the job, what matters is where you fit on the identity spectrum.
      
      Sadly, this has consequences.
      
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      December 3, 2019 2:08pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Accountability, from Ministers down.
    
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    December 4, 2019 10:20am
- The King
  
  The governments OPSEC is worse than mine and they have the freaking GCSB and Five Eyes on their team.
  
  Well i guess i do have an advantage, i don’t have to do “Diversity hires”
  
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  December 3, 2019 10:49am
Jack5

Faroz Ali, jailed for human trafficking of Fijian workers, gets out of prison after one-third of his sentence. That’s pretty much the modern equivalent of slave trading.

No mention in Stuff whether he will be deported.

If NZ wasn’t such a disgracefully soft-arse country Ali would be kicked out of the country, whether he was naturalised or not.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12290383
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December 3, 2019 10:27am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I don’t think he’s getting deported… he’s going to be a taxi-driver here.
  
  Ali told the board he intended to work as a taxi driver when he was released.
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/117812515/nzs-first-convicted-human-trafficker-freed-after-serving-third-of-prison-sentence
  
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  December 3, 2019 12:20pm
  - cut n paster
    
    Isn’t there a requirement to be a fit and proper person to hold a Taxi license anymore.
    Being a convicted crim and ex prisoner should make this career aspiration impossible…
    Is this another standard dropped by liberal idiots who will howl like banshees, when a taxis driver is caught being below “par excellence”.
    And we let our children travel with these people?
    
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    December 3, 2019 1:07pm
  - peterwn
    
    Suppose he will get his P endorsement on ethnic grounds without the usual Police background check.
    
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    December 3, 2019 1:08pm
curry4me

Saint Greta isn’t just about ‘climate change’.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r2adwy8NCg
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December 3, 2019 10:50am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yep, here’s “her” recent article:
  https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/climate-strikes-un-conference-madrid-by-greta-thunberg-et-al-2019-11
  
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  December 3, 2019 12:24pm
chaos

This hot weather is really fucking my POTS up. Increased my salt and eating as much licorice as I can. Anyone know any good foods to increase blood pressure
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December 3, 2019 10:50am
- SGA
  
  This might help? Site looks reasonably sensible (but caveat emptor).
  https://www.healthline.com/health/low-blood-pressure-diet
  
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  December 3, 2019 1:33pm
  - chaos
    
    Thank you, a few things there I can add
    
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    December 3, 2019 1:52pm
- Pharmachick
  
  My mother says prune juice, raisins, cantaloupe and honey dew melons. She says its not just salt (sodium chloride) but potassium is also helpful. Weirdly a lot of diet soft drinks are also high in potassium, (it keeps the flavor up).
  
  I do not of course advocate this, as I am not a medical doctor and therefore cannot give medical advice.
  
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  December 3, 2019 2:28pm
  - chaos
    
    Thanks for that, that would explain why I keep craving raisins, lol
    
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    December 3, 2019 2:54pm
- Tall Man
  
  Regular sex will do it 😉
  
  If the missus doesn’t buy it I’ll send you a script.
  
  In case the spirit is willing but the body not so much……
  
  https://www.maraup.com/en/generic-cialis/
  
  Knock yourself out.
  
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  December 3, 2019 2:56pm
  - chaos
    
    Wow, some sad sack down voted you, must of been the goat
    
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    December 3, 2019 9:47pm
curry4me

The London bridge attack all but guarantees victory to the Tories.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdd-xRi0_hk
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December 3, 2019 10:51am
tedbear

Apart from the school principals, are there any voters who think this $400 million borrowing is a great idea?
I suspect Robertson is holding on to the $7.5 billion surplus he’s got in the bank for the pre-election tax cuts.
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December 3, 2019 10:58am
- chaos
  
  A large portion of that surplus is a paper surplus from revaluing kiwi rail and changes it tax. I suspect labour plan to borrow a few billion.
  
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  December 3, 2019 12:07pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    And a timing issue because most of Labour’s policies are still in the planning (i.e. workgroup) phase.
    
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    December 3, 2019 1:40pm
- Paulus
  
  There will be NO tax cuts – this is Labour COL remember.
  
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  December 3, 2019 1:55pm
- david
  
  Nah tedbear, the surplus which was largely imaginary anyhow, has more than been swallowed up in the Fiscal hole identified by Stephen Joyce before the last election.
  Isn’t it strange how short are the memories of those who call themselves journalists in this benighted place.
  
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  December 3, 2019 2:11pm
Swifty

A pity, but it looks like actor Pete Smith has absolutely lost it:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12290373

Multiple incidents of threatening, abusive and at times violent behaviour but he wants THE CLINICIANS to be held responsible and ‘cater to his cultural needs’.

Even after the last violent incident he says: ‘that the unit had an obligation to resolve the issue, whether that be by offering assistance with anger management or addressing the cultural needs of Māori patients.

“Someone — a Māori health service provider, mental health — has to have some responsibility for this,” he said.’

Sounds like a severe case of entitleitis. Quick, call a doctor. Actually, on second thoughts, perhaps not.
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December 3, 2019 11:05am
- Jules99
  
  Wow, what a nasty piece of work.
  
  He conceded that his countenance might be intimidating to some, and that his behaviour on this occasion might have been questionable — “They walk on egg shells when I’m there but I don’t go looking for it”
  
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  December 3, 2019 12:02pm
  - kevn
    
    This clown Smiff should bring his own biscuits…
    
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    December 3, 2019 1:34pm
- cut n paster
  
  Actor? He’s an extra, a stand in, with scribble face.
  This is his sole claim to fame and the reason the media make him look so tragic…
  Get Shane Jones to build you, your very own hospital – I hear he does favours for votes.
  
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  December 3, 2019 12:58pm
  - Swifty
    
    To be fair, he used to have a bit of a career….
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnyxaSAY_M0
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jGibCvZ7GY
    
    https://youtu.be/DhKkBRyiPLM?t=2203
    
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    December 3, 2019 1:42pm
- Tall Man
  
  “”Someone — a Māori health service provider, mental health — has to have some responsibility for this,” he said.”
  
  He’s right and all he needs is a mirror to locate that person.
  
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  December 3, 2019 2:53pm
- Nermal
  
  Herald headline trivialises the issue calling it “biscuit dispute”, whereas he was actually on his last written warning regarding his behaviour on multiple occasions
  
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  December 3, 2019 3:07pm
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    Yeah, this recent contretemps was merely the last straw…..
    
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    December 3, 2019 6:01pm
Wayne1749

“The man who assaulted reporter Aziz Al-Sa’afin in Auckland has been sentenced to 11 months’ home detention. Joden Martin faced the possibility of prison for the unprovoked attack on Al-Sa’afin and his friend Fergus Fauvel on Karangahape Rd in February.The attack occurred while he was on remand for another assault.”

What a complete joke of a justice system, this animal is on remand for a previous assault, and then sucker punches and beats the shit out of two other people in a completely unprovoked assault, and still only gets 11 months home detention —-the fucker should have got 11 fucking years – in prison.
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December 3, 2019 11:09am
- peterwn
  
  I suppose he did not get a ‘strike’ either.
  
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  December 3, 2019 1:03pm
chaos

I see no reason for this to be rushed through under urgency

* The Government will ban foreign donations of more than $50, Justice Minister Andrew Little has said.

“There’s no need for anyone other than New Zealanders to donate to our political parties or seek to influence our elections,” Little said.

“The risk of foreign interference in elections is a growing international phenomenon and can take many forms, including donations. New Zealand is not immune from this risk,” he said.

Little will introduce legislation today and pass it under urgency. *

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/117894970/government-to-ban-foreign-donations-of-above-50-under-urgency
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December 3, 2019 12:49pm
- Happychappy
  
  So what happens with Green Peace Donations to the Green Party, you can tell Labour are running scared from the bad polls and want it all there way Large Union Donations are no better as they are buying policy also.
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/404707/government-to-ban-foreign-donations-to-political-parties-and-candidates
  Labour were the first to indulge in the large amount of money and gifts from the Chinese but it’s different when the left do it.
  
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  December 3, 2019 1:51pm
Maggie Pie

Just went over to drop off a couple of Krispy Kremes to ma’ for her lunch.
Got talking to one of the old-boys at the Village, [actually a Nat MP back in the 70’s]. He was saying “…. all the ongoing problems this CoL is having, is because they’ve got as many people only too willing to piss inside the tent, as those who piss out”.

I think i know what he means.
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December 3, 2019 12:55pm
- barnacle bill
  
  I reckon the old fellow is letting his bias show Maggy.
  
  As I recall, National has its own problems with people pissing inside the tent also.
  
  This is not a new problem at all.
  
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  December 3, 2019 2:48pm
  - Tall Man
    
    I can’t actually recall a leader or even a senior member of the National party in recent years “pissing in the tent” with such frequency as ardern and her bunch of twats… can you?
    
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    December 3, 2019 6:35pm
Jack5

Maorification rolls on …

The dual name for Taranaki/Mt Egmont has officially ended. From now, the mountain will be purely “Taranaki”.

Until 1986, the mountain was Mt Egmont, a name bestowed by Captain Cook. Then it was given the dual name Taranaki/Mt Egmont.

In the report linked to below, it’s stated that the local newspaper editor received death threats when he supported the 1986 change to dual name.

With NZ having two languages, English and Maori, in Maori, the mountain could be, as always, Taranaki, and could have remained, in English, Egmont. But apparently Maori language promoters want to control New Zealand English as well.

Next on the hit list will be Aoraki/Mt Cook.

The New Zealand Geographic Board is Maori-tilted. Forty per cent of the members are Maori or represent Maori. Four of the five official observers are Maori or represent Maori.

The board presents versions of its annual report in English and Maori. The English version’s front page is in Maori and it contains some dual language subheadings, such as “Te Kaupapa/Purpose.”

In its (English language version) annual report the board lists key priorities for the year as:

• Processing place name proposals of high importance to New Zealand;

• processing Treaty place name proposals in support of the Government’s Treaty settlement process and meeting post-settlement partnership commitments;

• approving more recorded place names as official (using the fast-track process);

• standardising the orthography of Maori place names by adding macrons;

• incorporating Maori place names from the Ka Huru Manu atlas into the New Zealand Gazetteer. [This atlas, produced by Ngai Tahu for South Island tourists, contains a thousand Maori place names, such as “Motuhou”, which the tribe says is the correct name for Manapouri.]

The axing of “Egmont”:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/404717/taranaki-maunga-to-be-recognised-solely-for-its-maori-name

The Ngai Tahu atlas:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/346598/ngai-tahu-creates-maori-atlas-for-travellers
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December 3, 2019 1:30pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  I can’t speak for anyone else, but is there any good reason to keep the name ‘Egmont’? Any particular reason for commemorating here an English nobleman who never visited this country?
  
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  December 3, 2019 3:31pm
  - Jack5
    
    ? Milky, then what’s the point in commemorating in an NZ place name an English nobleman like the Duke of Wellington, who never visited this country? Or Lord Nelson? Or Marlborough? Or another First Lord of the Admiralty, the Earl of Auckland?
    
    Scrap the lot would you? Names for the Tasman Sea and the Pacific, too? Might as well scrap the internet, too,and phones and the postal system. They aren’t indigenous.
    
    Milky, your assertion that you don’t speak for anyone-else is curious. The whole point of blog posts is that each poster speaks for himself or herself.
    
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    December 3, 2019 5:37pm
    - Tall Man
      
      I’m sure someone somewhere had a different name for everything.
      
      I mean I call mikey an arsehole but I can’t see him adopting that willingly…. can you?
      
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      December 3, 2019 6:33pm
- MCos
  
  Apparently
  The locals had called the mountain Taranaki for hundreds of years.
  Along comes Jimbo and renames it Mount Egmont after John Perceval, 2nd Earl of Egmont, because he can.
  Chap was also Gentleman of the Bedchamber for the Prince of Wales, who later became George III and lost the USA during the War of Independence.
  
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  December 3, 2019 4:15pm
  - Jack5
    
    Egmont was First Lord of the Admiralty, and would have been important in sponsoring Cook’s voyage.
    
    Cook is “Jimbo”? He was a great navigator, and probably thanks to him we are speaking English in New Zealand rather than, say French.
    
    What’s he going to do in getting map names from a people with no written language, and a series of local dialects?
    
    WSe have two languages in New Zealand. If Taranaki locals, and perhaps even the majority of Taranaki locals, called the mountain “Egmont” what’s wrong with keeping it “Egmont” in English and “Taranaki” in Maori?
    
    That seems to be the point of having two languages.
    
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    December 3, 2019 5:30pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Three. Sign 😉
      
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      December 3, 2019 6:30pm
      - Jack5
        
        Yep, but NZ Sign Language has Radio NZ stumped.
        
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        December 3, 2019 7:35pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I don’t have a problem with Wellington’s name. There was no European settlement here before Wellington was founded in 1840. Taranaki already had a name, didn’t need another one, and doesn’t need its colonial name any longer.
      Aoraki next, then Horokoau and Tititea.
      
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      December 3, 2019 8:24pm
      - Jack5
        
        Colonial name? You mean its English-language name.
        
        Horokoau – Mt Tasman. Tititea – Mount Aspiring.
        
        Let these have Maori names when Maori language is spoken, read, written, or consulted; otherwise, let their English names be used .Let’s see which survive then in the face of the biased Geography Board.
        
        It’s not as if South Island Maori were mountaineers. They wouldn’t have been higher than the tree line on these mountains, and rarely if ever there.
        
        South Island Maori survived on the Coast, and south of Kaikoura, the general southern limit for kumara, on sea food, but eating few Bluff oysters, which are mostly dredged from the bottom of Foveaux Strait.
        
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        December 3, 2019 9:55pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Oh dear – you think James Cook climbed Aoraki, Lord Egmont climbed Taranaki and Abel Tasman climbed Horokoau?
        
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        December 4, 2019 7:22am
  - Tall Man
    
    Maybe if said locals had tried to communicate rather than eat Cook and his crew they may have been more amenable.
    
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    December 3, 2019 6:31pm
Billy Collins

Does DPF still trust that George Conway isn’t deranged?

His hatred of Trump has now motivated him to publically dragged his own wife on twitter.
https://twitter.com/gtconway3d/status/1201588655204241415?s=20

Remember, this is the guy who said he rants about Trump to stop himself from screaming in his wife’s face at home.
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December 3, 2019 1:33pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  They’re both trolling the world. No one could lie liek Kellyanne Conway does and possibly be sincere.
  
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  December 3, 2019 3:28pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Got an example of any of those lies Mike? Thought not. I have asked you about examples of lies before – still waiting.
    So. Full. Of. Shit.
    
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    December 3, 2019 5:26pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Gee, how about these:
      – claimed President Obama banned Iraqi refugees
      – claimed GDP growth was 4 percent
      – claimed the Mueller report found that Trump engaged in no obstructive conduct
      – claimed the Clinton Foundation had ceased to exist
      – claimed there would be no cuts to Medicaid
      
      Of course, they aren’t really lies, just ‘alternative facts’. And best not mention the ‘Bowling Green massacre’.
      
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      December 3, 2019 8:46pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Sources? TV1 play school repeating CNN/MSNBC bullshit?
        
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        December 4, 2019 7:49am
  - Tall Man
    
    I think ardern would match any bullshitter you’d care to name.
    
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    December 3, 2019 6:29pm
barnacle bill

Is there anyone who would think this is OK ?

https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/animals/26000-kilogram-beached-sperm-whale-buried-in-beach-after-shock-stomach-find/news-story/c32dcc8e17e3bafe3bb106e09f44d1e7
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December 3, 2019 1:43pm
- Tall Man
  
  Ocean fur ball.
  
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  December 3, 2019 2:44pm
- Inandout
  
  bb, comes mainly from Asian rubbish and what is wrong with plankton?.
  
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  December 3, 2019 8:44pm
chaos

Oh for goodness sake, now the hand sign for ok is a sign of white supremacy, Fuck off

* National’s 17-year-old candidate for Palmerston North, William Wood, has removed a public photograph on his Facebook page showing a friend making a hand gesture adopted by white supremacists.

The photograph shows Wood and four male friends at Parliament for a mock UN Security Council summit. One friend is wearing a red baseball cap with United States President Donald Trump’s election slogan “Make America Great Again” and making the “Okay” hand gesture.

The hand gesture has been around since the 17th century and become associated with the word “Okay”. In recent years it has come to represent a hate symbol, with some members of the far right using the gesture to represent the letters “wp” for “white power”.*

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12290162
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December 3, 2019 1:44pm
- chaos
  
  So ok when this person does it?
  
  https://www.facebook.com/jacindaardern/photos/i-have-no-idea-why-i-am-making-this-particular-gesture-to-william-shatner-but-i-/10155555544922441/
  
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  December 3, 2019 2:04pm
  - Tall Man
    
    She’s demonstrating how much experience she has…..zero.
    
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    December 3, 2019 2:40pm
- Rich Prick
  
  What utter bollocks. But now that the media have officially deemed the gesture as such, I intend to use it to melt snowflakes at every opportunity. What’s next, the thumbs up for homophobia?
  
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  December 3, 2019 2:55pm
  - chaos
    
    The thumb goes where?
    
    https://www.pedestrian.tv/content/uploads/2018/10/jacinda-ardern.jpg
    
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    December 3, 2019 3:18pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    We should not allow the media to dictate the “new meaning” of centuries-old gestures. To do so is to surrender your culture.
    
    What if the media suddenly state that the “thumbs up” sign signifies homophobia? Are you going to blindly obey the media or are you going to resist?
    
    Protect your culture. Don’t abandon it for fear of suddenly newly hurting feelings when feelings were never hurt before.
    
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    December 3, 2019 4:06pm
- alex Masterley
  
  Bloody hell, Bernard Orsman should know better to write such twaddle.
  He should stick to writing about the Auckland Council and complaining about buses.
  
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  December 3, 2019 3:17pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  For those with TDS it is a white supremacy sign. But when the PTPM does it, then it’s OK.
  You can’t have it both ways you unhinged lunatics.
  
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  December 3, 2019 5:32pm
kevn

@Maggie… Just need to ‘read between the lines’.
A saying forever associated with JA.
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December 3, 2019 1:47pm
rouppe

This is just stupid.

Just stipulate that donations have to come from natural persons with nz citizenship.
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December 3, 2019 1:56pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  Should be any natural person (or estate thereof) that’s allowed to vote.
  Oh, and donations in kind (like from Unions) from organisations should also be banned.
  
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  December 3, 2019 3:04pm
rightoverlabour

NZ Herald – I heard Wood interviewed by Hosking the other morning. He spoke better than half the Labour ministers put together. Not one umm or ahh or pause of inner turmoil. So a friend makes a hand gesture that some may interpret as offensive, when most just view it as “OK”…

NZ Herald, desperate to protect the left…

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12290162
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December 3, 2019 3:05pm
- Inandout
  
  The Herald are desperate for some gummint money when the media receive the OK. Not a silly move from the CoL, keep the media in line with begging strips.
  
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  December 3, 2019 5:30pm
chaos

The question for next year has been released

*The proposed referendum question is:

Do you support the proposed Cannabis Legalisation and Control Bill?

Yes, I support the proposed Cannabis Legalisation and Control Bill.

No, I do not support the proposed Cannabis Legalisation and Control Bill.*

https://www.referendum.govt.nz/
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December 3, 2019 3:49pm
- DigNap15
  
  Its a big NO from me.
  
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  December 4, 2019 2:44pm
chaos

Andy’s going to have to start being honest soon.

* Prince Andrew’s bombshell email to Ghislaine Maxwell uncovered

Emails between Prince Andrew and close friend Ghislaine Maxwell uncovered in a BBC documentary have thrown doubt on his claims that he did not recall meeting his accuser Virginia Giuffre in 2001.

The BBC’s Panorama aired a bombshell interview with the former “sex slave” who alleges she was trafficked by convicted paedophile Jeffrey Epstein and made to have sex with Prince Andrew three times in 2001 and 2002 when she was 17 years old.*

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12290599
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December 3, 2019 6:05pm
- DigNap15
  
  That girl is going to have to start being honest soon.
  Yes that other girl enticed me to go along and earn some quick money on a nice island in paradise.
  I could not wait to get a photo of me with prince Andrew.
  I need some more money now
  
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  December 4, 2019 2:44pm
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND: When does Jacinda Ardern’s coalition government intend to allow affordable housing to be built … by dealing with land supply and proper infrastructure financing … as promised ?

… Are there any lessons being learnt from the Greater Christchurch new supply story ? …

… No wonder a The Listener editorial February described this governments management of housing issues as ‘ … from crisis to disaster’ … following highly critical The New York Times and The Guardian articles soon after the release of the 15th Annual Demographia Survey 21 January … refer http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org …

62% of NZers cannot afford a home in their local market … IPSOS NZ November Issues Monitor

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU1912/S00028/62-of-nzers-cannot-afford-a-home-in-their-local-market.htm

( IPSOS NZ will load its latest Issues Monitor on its website ‘soon’. In the meantime … see attached … )

Auckland, 2 December 2019 – More than three out of five New Zealanders (62%) believe they cannot afford to buy a home in their local property market, according to the latest Ipsos New Zealand Issues Monitor. Just 38% of respondents said they think they could afford to buy a home, compared to a 42% global average. Housing remains the top issue facing New Zealanders. … read more via hyperlink above …
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… Auckland 3 bed rents surge from $650 per week November 2018 to $686 per week November 2019 … MBIE figures …

End of Day Report … Interest Co NZ

https://www.interest.co.nz/news/102856/review-things-you-need-know-you-go-home-tuesday-anz-raises-home-loan-rate-cuts-terms

… extract …

… STEEP RENT RISES

The national median rent has now reached a new record high of $454.50/week, up from $445/week in October and up +5.7% pa. Median 3 bdr house rents have jumped to $491.67/week, a rise of +9.3% in one year. In Auckland the rise is +5.5% to $686/week. In Wellington for the same 3 bdr house it is up to $663, an +11% rise in a year. In Christchurch it is up +3% to $433/week and that is not a record high. Christchurch has a full supply of houses for rent, no doubt keeping things restrained. But that is not the case in Wellington and Auckland both of which hit new record highs. And as the increases have mounted quickly in the past few months, you do have to wonder if the recent flurry of building standard obligations (all of them welcome) haven’t pushed up rents faster that they would otherwise have risen. The certainly are steep rises in a short time period. Rents for 2 br flats aren’t rising anywhere near as fast. (Our data is supplied by MBIE.)
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Voters do not deliver votes to governments that do not deliver results …

… Governments lose elections … Oppositions don’t win them …

Labour result lowest in two years, National-ACT could form Govt – 1 NEWS Colmar Brunton poll … TVNZ

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/labour-result-lowest-in-two-years-national-act-could-form-govt-1-news-colmar-brunton-poll
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December 3, 2019 6:18pm
jedmo

3rd Striker gets 10 years for murder? The judiciary are just laughing, at laws of the land and lawmakers.
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December 3, 2019 6:32pm
Jack5

Looks like the Australian Prime Minister, Scott Morrison, won’t go along with a bid to revive acceptance of an NZ offer to resettle Australia’s foreign asylum seekers.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/scott-morrison-not-for-turning-on-new-zealand-resettlement-deal-20191202-p53g35.html
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December 3, 2019 6:45pm
- Tall Man
  
  They are concerned that these pricks, economic refugees, will just use NZ as a backdoor for Australian entry and they are right.
  
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  December 3, 2019 7:48pm
Jack5

The Broadcasting Standards authority has found Crusaders half-back Bryn Hall, who is also a Maori All Black, made a racist remark about Jack Goodhue, another Crusader but also an All Black.

Hall made the remark on the Sky sports show, “Kick Off”. He described Goodhue as “a Jew”, because, he alleged, Goodhue was seeking finance for his wedding from women’s magazines.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12290665
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December 3, 2019 8:09pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Offensive remark, certainly.
  
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  December 3, 2019 8:47pm
Martin Williams

The fallout from the John Key government’s National Standards is starting to bite.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/404762/nz-teenagers-hit-new-lows-in-reading-maths-and-science-tests
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December 3, 2019 9:16pm
- Jack5
  
  Or, Martin, perhaps it’s the shift of focus in schools to Green-ism, revisionist history, and Maori studies.
  
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  December 3, 2019 9:38pm
- chaos
  
  No, national standards were a great tool, then and when I was growing up because it allowed students to get the extra help they needed. Sadly the teachers now days are crap and don’t really give a stuff about students. But I’m sure you know about tools, being one yourself
  
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  December 3, 2019 9:49pm
DigNap15

Even the Salvation army ads on TV
Salvation Army Aotoeroa

I really despise these sickly white liberals.
We built this country!
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