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JibberJabber

Creepy Joe gets owned in friendly territory,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=79&v=-JgPAm2g2Uc&feature=emb_logo

The Truth, it hurts.
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December 24, 2019 8:03am
- Tall Man
  
  Mind you, he is low hanging fruit.
  
  If he’s selected it will be an entertaining ride for non impacted watchers.
  
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  December 24, 2019 9:30am
  - Stephieboy2
    
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    Jibber jabber whose the MAGA wailing banshee?
    
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    December 24, 2019 9:55am
  - Stephieboy2
    
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    Tall Man, as Stormy Daniels and numerous others could testify!
    
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    December 24, 2019 9:56am
    - chaos
      
      You re a disgusting creep aren’t you
      
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      December 24, 2019 11:04am
      - igm
        
        He is the type that one could ignore were he in trouble somewhere.
        
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        December 24, 2019 1:25pm
    - Sacha
      
      Get over it Steph.
      If every male who had ‘inappropriate’ sex with some one was exempt from political office, the world would be left with you and me, and I’m not too sure about all of you –
      
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      December 24, 2019 11:23am
      - Tall Man
        
        Based on jlr’s activities there’s more than a couple of ladies who would rather we didn’t know about their poor taste in men.
        
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        December 24, 2019 11:30am
      - Batman
        
        Yeah it’s not the sex that matters, it’s the cover up and campaign finance violation that matters.
        
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        December 24, 2019 11:31am
      - Tall Man
        
        Much like “what’s in it for wynston” and labour avoiding declaring Chinese donation to a labour mayoral candidate.
        
        Batman, why don’t you care about the issues that affect our country rather than what some politician does many thousands of miles away?
        
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        December 24, 2019 1:08pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Cover up, of consensual sex between adults. Keeping such quiet is understandable, but it kind of stretches the imagination to call it a cover up. And didn’t “Stormy” end up paying DJT damages…?
        
        And no campaign finance violations, Trump can spend his own money as he likes. Only Cohen claims it was a violation, and nobody believes him now.
        
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        December 24, 2019 2:09pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        @Tall Man, its almost never the crime/transgression, and almost always the cover-up that causes the downfall.
        
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        December 24, 2019 4:50pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘But in Thursday’s debate, he committed a major sin. He alienated his base — the only group in the party that still backs him. In speaking of economic growth, the moderator asked, “As president, would you be willing to sacrifice some of that growth, even knowing potentially that it could displace thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands, of blue-collar workers, in the interest of transitioning to that greener economy?'”
    Biden answered quickly and boldly: “The answer is yes.”
    End of story. There’s your Trump TV advertisement. Even if Biden somehow still wins the nomination, Trump will destroy him with working-class and middle-class voters.’
    https://townhall.com/columnists/wayneallynroot/2019/12/22/biden-just-lost-the-election-n2558377
    
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    December 24, 2019 9:57am
    - Michael
      
      Please let it be.
      Trump for 2020
      The Free World needs it…
      
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      December 24, 2019 2:14pm
- Tasman Terror
  
  Greta Thunberg has never had a proper job before entering politics, raves on incessantly about climate change, hangs around the United Nations like a bad smell, and occasionally visits her own country. Remind you of somebody?
  
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  December 24, 2019 1:09pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Is she pregnant yet?
    
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    December 24, 2019 7:16pm
Wangas Feral

Merry Christmas. I have a stomach bug and have been crook for three days. All the food and drink and I can’t partake without almost instant regret. Looks like it will be the first Christmas season ever that I lose weight though.
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December 24, 2019 8:12am
- tf78
  
  Wangas be well by tomorrow – imodium is very good for the rear end.
  
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  December 24, 2019 8:48am
  - Wangas Feral
    
    Feral Daughter went into town and got me some electrolytes. They taste like shite but hopefully I will feel a bit better drinking it.
    
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    December 24, 2019 12:31pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Ah, sorry to hear that. Stash your share and binge later! Hope you’re better soon.
  
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  December 24, 2019 9:14am
  - Wangas Feral
    
    I want some ham but am too scared to eat it at the moment.
    
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    December 24, 2019 12:31pm
- Tall Man
  
  And you get to eat as much as you want…… twice 🙁
  
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  December 24, 2019 9:30am
  - Wangas Feral
    
    Yeah – the only problem with that is the evacuation of the first serving is rather unpleasant.
    
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    December 24, 2019 12:32pm
- Jules99
  
  The fancy food will be cheaper in the shops after tomorrow so you can pig out later. Hope you are better soon.
  
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  December 24, 2019 1:21pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  2 weeks ago spent a day in hospital with the same thing. Badly dehydrated. Keep drinking the fluid. Even if you lose most, your body will absorb some.
  Not nice, I don’t envy you. Get well.
  
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  December 24, 2019 3:14pm
mikenmildagain

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Today’s Trump news – the president welcomes convicted war criminal to Mar-a-Lago in further insult to thousands of troops who managed to serve honourably.
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December 24, 2019 8:19am
- JibberJabber
  
  I don`t believe Bomber Obama is visiting the Trumps for Christmas.
  More Lefty lies?
  
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  December 24, 2019 9:05am
  - Stephieboy2
    
    More Lefty lies?
    
    Umm No!
    
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    December 24, 2019 9:58am
    - JibberJabber
      
      Bomber Obama is the Trumps guest for Christmas, wonders will never cease. ?
      
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      December 24, 2019 11:30am
- chaos
  
  Don’t let facts get in the way of being a liar huh. He was not convicted. The only thing he was found guilty of was the photo
  
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  December 24, 2019 9:48am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Just a photo – of one of the worst bastards on this planet. He did not owe those pricks any compasion
    
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    December 24, 2019 3:17pm
- Scott
  
  Mikey – not a nice comment from you. Pres Trump is welcoming Navy Seal Eddie Gallagher. Gallagher was a warrior who many see as being unjustly treated.
  Trump wants his soldiers to be able to fight. Not to have to worry about higher ups second guessing them.
  It’s called having an effective fighting force. Trump has huge support among the military. They have a commander in chief that supports them when they are fighting against a tough and ruthless enemy.
  
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  December 24, 2019 11:01am
  - Batman
    
    Gallagher is a disgrace to the Seals and the military.
    
    He should be in a military prison.
    
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    December 24, 2019 11:34am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Gallagher’s just lucky he wasn’t a POW – Trump would hate him.
      
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      December 24, 2019 12:29pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Well Batman, I’m pleased to see you still have a balanced view of the world. You are demonstrating a steffy tactic of ignoring reality in order to abuse someone.
      
      Maybe you can think about this the next time you feel an overwhelming urge to delete my vastly more innocuous comments.
      
      “Edward R. Gallagher (born 1979 or 1980)[1] is a retired United States Navy SEAL Special Warfare Operator who came to national attention in the United States after he was charged with war crimes and was later acquitted.”
      
      “His trial included an unexpected confession from another medic who had been granted immunity, claiming he was the one who actually killed the victim.”
      
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      December 24, 2019 1:04pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      Why, another serviceperson admitted to the killing, Gallagher was unjustly charged with that.
      
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      December 24, 2019 2:11pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Mike is just being a prick again. Never misses a chance to be sarcastic.
    Best ignored when he has his period
    
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    December 24, 2019 3:19pm
Captain Mainwaring

Somebody please say something.
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December 24, 2019 8:20am
- hullkiwi
  
  Why? Greta Thunberg is a meme for contemporary woke stupidity and proof that the idiots really are in control of the agenda (asylum).
  
  There.
  
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  December 24, 2019 8:25am
Tauhei Notts

I have become disappointed by the Americans’ bullying response to European contractors working on the Nord Stream gas project to take gas from Russia to Germany. It sets a very ugly precedent; that might come back and bite the Yanks’ arse, big time.
I had originally watched this situation develop on Russian Tv, but because of their insidious bias paid the matter little attention. But I have since seen it on Al Jazeera and they hate the Russians, so there must be something to it all.
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December 24, 2019 8:21am
- Steve James
  
  I agree Tauhei. More efficient gas supply in Europe regardless of what countries profit from it is a good thing and will bring prices down.
  If it means Russia will have some economic control then best of luck to them, it’s their gas. America should butt out. It’s non of their business.
  If you don’t want Russia to have a monopoly then how about relinquishing a few hundred the Americans have.
  
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  December 24, 2019 9:16am
- All_on_Red
  
  It’s about Sanctions on Russia.
  
  That aside, isn’t Trump the worst Pootin Puppet evah?
  Hey, remember all those Window Licking Conspiracy Theorists saying Pootin had something on Trump? Pee gate and blackmail.
  And of course the cry of ‘Deutsche Bank, Deutsche Bank!!!!!’
  ‘There must be something there , there must be!!!!’
  Lol
  
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  December 24, 2019 10:02am
  - Stephieboy2
    
    All in Red, another victin if Russian TV ” insiduous bias? ??
    
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    December 24, 2019 10:25am
    - GazzaW
      
      Spelling, grammar and more attention to detail please stephie. 2/10.
      
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      December 24, 2019 10:45am
Ed Snack

Something
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December 24, 2019 8:22am
Fletch

Trump is more popular than Obama at the same point in his presidency…

Trump’s job approval rating 151 weeks into his presidency sits at 45 percent, as revealed by a Gallup poll last Wednesday. That puts Trump three points higher than the 42 percent approval rating Gallup found for Obama at the same point of his presidency.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/271691/trump-approval-inches-support-impeachment-dips.aspx
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December 24, 2019 8:27am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Perhaps you should check more one poll. Trump’s approval ratings have been in the toilet since his inauguration, and his unpopularity is unprecedented in polling history.
  
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  December 24, 2019 12:33pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Bahahaha! Source will be CNN, MSNBC, Wash Post, and playschool TV1 Network News
    
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    December 24, 2019 3:22pm
    - DigNap15
      
      Yo means those sources that are all losing their viewers!
      beacsue they are sick of the bias and lies
      
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      December 24, 2019 5:07pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Stop making shit up
    Plaeae give us your sources.
    He gets big crowds to his rallies.
    He has raised lots of money already
    
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    December 24, 2019 5:06pm
    - Rich Prick
      
      And Hillary is still throwing empty vodka bottles at the walls wondering “what happened?”. Life is good.
      
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      December 24, 2019 10:40pm
G152

Looks like other countries traditions are fair game to those who demand their traditions be sacrosanct.
May their stocking be filled with coal
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December 24, 2019 8:30am
Maggy Wassilieff

Manufacturing/Manipulating the Greta movement

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2019/12/23/greta-the-movie/#more-42746
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December 24, 2019 8:36am
- Fletch
  
  Andrew Klaven points out that Greta’s spiel about “people dying” and “whole ecosystems collapsing” is just not true. Stats prove that the world is doing way way better in the 2010s than it ever has in terms of poverty, pollution, homicide rates, wars, autocracies, numbers of nuclear weapons and the like.
  
  https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=453688922241657
  
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  December 24, 2019 8:45am
- Rich Prick
  
  Gretas are what happens when a couple of generations go without real hardship from depressions or world wars. We end up with self indulgent little shits who want to thrust their issues upon the rest of us. Everything is offensive and every perceived wrong must be compensated for. The rest of society is afraid to tell them to fuck off, and that should change.
  
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  December 24, 2019 9:37am
  - G152
    
    I have but one uptick to give
    
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    December 24, 2019 9:49am
    - Biscuit
      
      Take mine, G152, as my Christmas prezzie to you (and Rich Prick)…
      
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      December 24, 2019 12:28pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Couldn’t have put it better myself.
    
    Merry Christmas and enjoy your tax payer funded holidays now and in 2020 🙂
    
    MAGA 2020
    
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    December 24, 2019 10:32am
    - Rich Prick
      
      Same to you too!
      
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      December 24, 2019 10:52pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Hear hear, what that man said
    
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    December 24, 2019 3:25pm
- Stephieboy2
  
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  MW, Paul Homeward in the footsteps of Athony Watts, Joanne Nova, Judith Curry etc , etc,
  
  Climate change deniers trying to fool the public again about extreme weather
  
  Commentary 15 February, 2019
  
  “..Hence Mr Homewood’s allegation that the IPPR report contained “lies” is without any foundation.
  Mr Homewood ended his blog with the entirely untruthful claim that “even the IPCC never made such outlandish claims, and could find no real evidence that extreme weather was increasing, despite intense efforts to do so.”..
  
  http://www.lse.ac.uk/GranthamInstitute/news/climate-change-deniers-trying-to-fool-the-public-again-about-extreme-weather/
  
  Very sad!
  
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  December 24, 2019 10:04am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Even sadder the ignorant claiming knowledge through hearsay.
    
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    December 24, 2019 10:58am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    @stephieboy:
    You have clearly never read any of the IPCC reports…
    especially Chapter 3 AR5
    https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/03/SREX-Chap3_FINAL-1.pdf
    
    FAQ 3.1 | Is the Climate Becoming More Extreme?
    While there is evidence that increases in greenhouse gases have likely caused changes in some types of extremes, there is no simple
    answer to the question of whether the climate, in general, has become more or less extreme.
    
    FAQ 3.2 | Has Climate Change Affected Individual Extreme Events?
    A changing climate can be expected to lead to changes in climate and weather extremes. But it is challenging to associate a single
    extreme event with a specific cause such as increasing greenhouse gases because a wide range of extreme events could occur even in
    an unchanging climate, and because extreme events are usually caused by a combination of factors.
    
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    December 24, 2019 12:07pm
    - Albert_Ross
      
      So do we or do we not regard the IPCC as an authority on climate change and its impacts?
      
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      December 24, 2019 1:33pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        The IPCC reports contain a lot of reasonable stuff that few skeptics would disagree with But the summaries for policymakers are propaganda pieces that ignore much of the equivocal evidence in order to sex up the scare
        
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        December 24, 2019 5:11pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        What climate change?
        
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        December 24, 2019 6:10pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        @Urban, the SPM often directly contradicts the actual science on key points. This is a deliberate strategy and one never picked up on by the headline-hungry media
        
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        December 24, 2019 6:14pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Gee – you really know how to destroy a feelz-good narrative. What a grinch!
  
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  December 24, 2019 12:19pm
Fletch

Rep Debbie Lesko on the “most unfair, politically biased, rigged process that I have seen in my entire life”. Of course, she is talking about Donald Trump’s impeachment and she is correct. She points out that not even one of the Democrat witnesses could prove Trump committed an impeachable offence.

She also points out that 17 of the 24 Democrat members on the Judiciary Committee voted on the floor to move forward articles of impeachment on July 17th – long before Trump’s call with the Ukrainian President. Ditto with 5 of the 9 Rules Committee members who are Democrats and did the same thing.

They were always going to try and impeach Trump. It didn’t matter what for. The phone call was just one excuse. And it stinks to high heaven. It was an impeachment drive in search of a crime.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6yN_UsEHvM
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December 24, 2019 8:37am
- Rich Prick
  
  That’s cool, the Republicans should start now on impeaching the next Democrat President … whoever that might be. I see how this game works.
  
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  December 24, 2019 9:41am
  - septic skeptic
    
    Probably best to leave that until early 2024 when you see who is running.
    
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    December 24, 2019 9:53am
  - Stephieboy2
    
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    Rich Prick impeaching the next Democrat President?
    
    What for?
    
    Hysteria about Trump’s impeachment won’t change the facts about the charges made against the Commnder In Cheat!
    
    ( Cheat and liar on and off the golf course )
    
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    December 24, 2019 10:07am
    - Tall Man
      
      Is there a double standard here mods?
      
      I see posts like this regularly calling Donald Trump, the elected president of the USA, a liar. Can I ask why ardern, a selected pm, is afforded protection on this blog but not the president of the USA?
      
      [Mod: in terms of lies told, Trump is streets ahead of any other human on Earth. This blog seeks to protect itself from domestic defamation risk, which you have a habit of getting too close to.]
      
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      December 24, 2019 10:51am
      - Komata
        
        Mod: Concerning your reply to Tall Man@1051.
        
        You can of course provide citations to support the validity of your claim that ‘In terms of lies told Trump is streets ahead of any other human on Earth’?:
        
        If not, your biases and lack of objectivity are now exposed, especially in regard to President Trump.; DPF (if you are not in fact him) will be very, very proud of your efforts on his behalf, although it does nothing to promote the much-vaunted ‘free speech’ for which this site was once renowned.
        
        Fear has consequences, the decline of Kiwiblog is but one…
        
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        December 24, 2019 12:24pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Please report that Mod.
        
        As a mod you should be expected to act as impartially as possible, not inject your falsehoods into the discussion in your “official” capacity.
        
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        December 24, 2019 2:14pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Nobody ever has examples of Trump’s so called lies.
        Ask Mike, I have called him out may times, he never responds unless it is an opinion.
        
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        December 24, 2019 3:29pm
      - alloytoo
        
        [Mod: in terms of lies told, Trump is streets ahead of any other human on Earth. This blog seeks to protect itself from domestic defamation risk, which you have a habit of getting too close to.]
        
        This false equivalence is disturbing.
        
        Ardern has lied to Parliament, the nation and continues to protect a culture of sexual predation in the NZ Labour Party, all of this after promising the most open and transparent government “Evah”.
        
        Trump has been exaggerating “Biggly” for decades before he ever came to office.
        
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        December 24, 2019 3:34pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        [Mod: in terms of lies told, Trump is streets ahead of any other human on Earth.
        
        That level of weaponised bias should see you relieved of your moderation role. Batman, by all means feel free to make such comments under your own handle. Making them as an unnamed moderator is cowardly.
        
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        December 24, 2019 6:24pm
      - Batman
        
        It’s a fact. If you don’t like it then write to him and ask him to stop?
        
        https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/10/14/president-trump-has-made-false-or-misleading-claims-over-days/
        
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        December 24, 2019 6:47pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Oh FFS, are those morons really trying to claim that Trump is not a habitual liar, and that pointing out that uncontroversial (non-alternative) fact is evidence of some kind of bias?
        
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        December 24, 2019 7:18pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Just for fun, anyone fancy fact checking this latest rant:
        
        I never understood wind. You know, I know windmills very much. I’ve studied it better than anybody I know. It’s very expensive. They’re made in China and Germany mostly—very few made here, almost none. But they’re manufactured tremendous—if you’re into this—tremendous fumes. Gases are spewing into the atmosphere. You know we have a world, right? So the world is tiny compared to the universe. So tremendous, tremendous amount of fumes and everything. You talk about the carbon footprint—fumes are spewing into the air. Right? Spewing. Whether it’s in China, Germany, it’s going into the air. It’s our air, their air, everything—right?
        So they make these things and then they put them up. And if you own a house within vision of some of these monsters, your house is worth 50 percent of the price. They’re noisy. They kill the birds. You want to see a bird graveyard? You just go. Take a look. A bird graveyard. Go under a windmill someday. You’ll see more birds than you’ve ever seen ever in your life. You know, in California, they were killing the bald eagle. If you shoot a bald eagle, they want to put you in jail for 10 years. A windmill will kill many bald eagles. It’s true.
        
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        December 24, 2019 7:30pm
    - Rich Prick
      
      Woosh. Going over your head really doesn’t require much altitude.
      
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      December 24, 2019 11:02am
Happychappy

Bill English was making a difference in Child Poverty until Labour was installed as the Government by Winston Peters now all we have is Jacinda and her Gunna do this and Gunna do that with no plan and plenty of incompetence.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/12/achieving-nz-s-child-poverty-targets-will-reduce-rates-to-some-of-lowest-worldwide-jacinda-ardern.html
The plan Jacinda has released on Child Poverty is to hide the figures that tell you what you need to know, something Jancinda won’t show as her plan has been a dismal failure since day one.
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December 24, 2019 8:46am
- NewInoffensiveName
  
  Poverddy creates state dependency. State dependency creates Labour voters. Labour politicians create more poverddy. Repeat.
  
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  December 24, 2019 9:14am
- Tall Man
  
  ardern has been a dismal favour since day 1.
  
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  December 24, 2019 9:18am
KevO'Brien

Hi all,
may this be a blessed Christmas and a great new year. To my Samoan friends: Ia manuia le Kirisimasi ma le tausanga fou.

The new year promises to be particularly bright with the formal testing and hopefully presentation of the E-cat SKL. That unit is stated to be outputting 20kw with 16Kw as electricity. The days of oil except as a feedstock for the chemical industry seem numbered.
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December 24, 2019 9:02am
- Tall Man
  
  Merry Christmas to you and yours as well and…….
  
  Long live the V8 and heaps of petrol for me.
  
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  December 24, 2019 10:30am
- Rachael Membery
  
  What is wrong with the word Christmas, why does it have to be bastardized? I feel the same with Kirimete.
  
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  December 24, 2019 12:23pm
  - MCos
    
    Nothing wrong with the word ‘Christmas’ for English speakers.
    Other languages have different words such as Weihnachten in German, noël in French and so on.
    
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    December 24, 2019 9:58pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Bastardised from English?
      
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      December 25, 2019 10:09am
- Ed Snack
  
  Sad to say Kev, that the eCat has always been “promising”. I’ll eat my hat (even my good genuine ecuadorean panama) if it ever is shown to be commercially viable.
  
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  December 24, 2019 2:16pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    We’ere all waiting on it. Others have very promising work coming along too with the US Dept Defence taking a position.
    
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    December 24, 2019 4:01pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Rossi is, was, and always has been a fraud. Has done time in jail, and relies on credulous optimists to keep his circus going. Leopards do not change their spots
  
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  December 24, 2019 5:15pm
Maggie Pie

MERRY CHRISTMAS to all here at KB….especially those who have continually ‘upticked’ my posts thruout the year.!
[I mean, not that it really worries me either way, but its been sooo pleasing to record, that across all three SM platforms I participate in, to date I’ve received about 7484 ‘likes’ since last January 😀 ]
Anyway, its early Mass for me tomorrow, then collect my partners mum and bring her over for a late lunch of crayfish cocktails, orange stuffed duck and (her fave) sherry trifle. Then on Boxing Day we’re off to Tindalls, followed in early Jan when we head away to meet up with friends for a few days stay at their ‘over the water time-share bungalow’. What a great time to be alive!!

TAKE CARE OUT THERE.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DvPkxxLWwAARVWT.jpg
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December 24, 2019 9:28am
- Lizziep
  
  Thanks Maggie, but did you have to post a picture of the Wests?
  
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  December 24, 2019 9:58am
- Tall Man
  
  You take care as well and thanks for the many chuckles over the year 🙂
  
  Merry Christmas.
  
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  December 24, 2019 10:28am
Brian McDonald

Would a legitimate exercise to stop war funding for Ukraine be accompanied by instructions to keep it confidential. Ukraine would immediately know, Russia would be delighted so if it was all legit why the instructions for silence if it was part of a fight against corruption:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/12/23/newly-revealed-emails-show-why-trump-should-fear-real-senate-trial/?utm_campaign=post_most&utm_medium=Email&utm_source=Newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

“Given the sensitive nature of the request, I appreciate your keeping that information closely held to those who need to know to execute the direction,” Duffey wrote in a July 25 email to Pentagon Comptroller Elaine McCusker and others.
This directly undermines the justification Trump’s defenders have so often offered for holding up the aid: that it was not to coerce Ukraine into helping Trump’s reelection campaign but was merely a product of Trump’s passionate commitment to fighting corruption (please stop laughing).
If that were true, the White House would have wanted to make sure that every relevant official in the government was informed about the suspension of aid and why it was being undertaken. The White House might even have wanted to talk about it publicly. Instead, the White House treated the suspension of aid as a secret so dangerous that if if were discovered it would be a disaster.

So officials in the Pentagon couldn’t figure out what was going on, and many of them feared that since the aid had been appropriated by Congress, withholding it was against the law. Why were they kept in the dark? Because of the way those close to Trump treated what he was doing on Ukraine. They acted as though the president was up to something so problematic that it had to be kept secret even from other officials in the government, let alone Congress or the public.”
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December 24, 2019 9:29am
- All_on_Red
  
  Lol
  Nice spin there from Wapo
  Zelensky reached out to Trumps admin several times because he knew Trump had a perception that Ukraine was corrupt (which is correct)
  Trump told Ambassador Sondland (who confirmed this in his testimony) that he wanted a Statenent from Zelensky to eschew corruption and ‘to do the right thing’ and ‘I want nothing’
  The Aid , as is normal, got reviewed several times by OMB and many knew that. The delay probably wasn’t announced to Ukraine because it was always going to be given!
  *shrugs*
  Interesting factoid- Trump actually intervened to INCREASE the amount of military aid to Ukraine. He gave them anti tank missiles too- which Obama didn’t. (Worst Pootin Puppet evah!)
  
  But you stick to finding stories which confirm your bias and your conspiracy theory Brian
  
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  December 24, 2019 10:17am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    Not into conspiracy theories Red but you clearly are.
    
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    December 24, 2019 3:39pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Any quotation from the Washington Post has the rating of -10 on a 1-10 scale.
  
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  December 24, 2019 11:01am
  - Tall Man
    
    That’s if you can be bothered reading it.
    
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    December 24, 2019 12:57pm
- KH
  
  Total tosh Brian. It would be rare for any government in the world to publicise a hard talking negotiation.
  All of them, smiles out front, complex talk in private. Your “proof” misses the mark.
  
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  December 24, 2019 12:38pm
Brian McDonald

Not really Al Capone and his wife:
“People need and want real food – milk with its correct full cream, its protective bacteria, enzymes and high levels of vitamins and protein,” she said.
“What we should be raiding are soft drink vending machines and purveyors of high sugar energy drinks and fake foods loaded with chemicals.”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/the-country/news/article.cfm?c_id=16&objectid=12292244&fbclid=IwAR0w2wbDVySE-5qBc95EkA72wXA3aPFZAhpNFJgYnO0zV4VhfouqW8oYp18
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December 24, 2019 9:37am
- Tall Man
  
  We have been buying farm milk for well over 15 years without a problem.
  
  When a shop bought bottle can last a few weeks in the fridge you have to realise it ain’t milk.
  
  The raids on the milk sellers were conducted like a drug raid with all electronic devices confiscated including cell phones.
  
  A bit of overkill from MPI in my opinion after all. aren’t we adults and allowed freedom of choice plus I am a shareholder in the farm we get our milk from so they have no right to stop me accessing milk from my own cows.
  
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  December 24, 2019 10:26am
  - chaos
    
    “ aren’t we adults and allowed freedom of choice”
    
    No we aren’t. What we are allowed is the perception that we are free and have freedom of choice. Please visit your local re-education centre before you have to be taken there by force
    
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    December 24, 2019 10:40am
    - Ruahine
      
      Do you have a gun? Well you better watchout. You could now be a criminal.
      
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      December 24, 2019 11:22am
      - Tall Man
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kU0XCVey_U
        
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        December 24, 2019 12:56pm
    - Lance
      
      As long as you don’t want us taxpayers to pay for your hospital recovery.
      
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      December 24, 2019 12:12pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Well then, you better stop driving, climbing ladders, eating Chinese takeaways, walking around town without a face mask, talking to your kids and so on because those tax payers must be getting sick and tired.
        
        There have been a couple of cases of e Coli from dirty milk throughout the whole of NZ over the past few years, no TB so vastly less illness than from most takeaway restaurants in every town in NZ.
        
        You eat and drink what you want, allow us to do the same or are you a labour laddie who believes in your right to tell others what to do because………….
        
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        December 24, 2019 4:23pm
  - Lance
    
    Until Pasteurization came along, many people died from milk contamination, including diseases such as Listeria, Salmonella and Campylobacter.
    The later pathogen almost killed me a few years ago, with multiple hospitalizations and taking 18 months to recover.
    
    Like the boon of vaccination, we live in a much safer world now.
    
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    December 24, 2019 12:11pm
  - Brian McDonald
    
    You wouldn’t hold onto customers for long if your milk was making them sick. I go for MPI protecting the dairy companies not the small amount of customers.
    
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    December 24, 2019 3:36pm
- Liberty
  
  Once again it is under a caring labour government. The State is dawn raiding the peasants.
  It is 9 yrs since we had the appalling dawn raids on the first Nation people.
  Still, what else can you expect from a party that has historical links to Marxism with it close links to Stalinism.
  
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  December 24, 2019 12:40pm
GazzaW

I find it fascinating that once again the Herald isn’t highlighting the lengthy queues waiting for Christmas food parcels from the Auckland City Mission. Pictures and hardluck stories were published ad nauseam on a daily basis when the Nats were in power ‘for nine long years’.
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December 24, 2019 9:38am
- chaos
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=12294365
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=12294551
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/national-video/news/video.cfm?c_id=1503075&gal_cid=1503075&gallery_id=202018
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiJFN_U71TY
  
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  December 24, 2019 9:57am
  - Tall Man
    
    ardern’s done a really good job eh….
    
    No silly, not fixing child poverdee but hiding how useless she is from her voters…………
    
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    December 24, 2019 12:54pm
    - chaos
      
      Got to giver her credit where it is due, she will hand over a country worse than Clark did and worse than Lange did, that is an accomplishment
      
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      December 24, 2019 3:45pm
- JibberJabber
  
  We`ll have to wait until next year when “poverdy” becomes a thing again, then it`ll be a regular thing for the next 9 years then it`ll disappear again.
  
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  December 24, 2019 11:38am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Absolutely! A Labour/Green/NZ First Govt will indeed be the only way to fix it…
    
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    December 24, 2019 12:20pm
    - sooty
      
      They should get Cindy to head it as well.
      That’ll be a real vote catcher!
      
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      December 24, 2019 4:04pm
chaos

Surely we can sort our own shit out without having to run off to the UN

* Lobby group complains to UN about e-scooters, calls for 5 km/h speed limit*

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/12/lobby-groups-want-e-scooter-speed-limit-of-10km-h.html
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December 24, 2019 9:44am
- Tall Man
  
  It’s a bit silly really as they allow bikes to be ridden on footpaths these days and they go well over 5kph.
  
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  December 24, 2019 10:21am
- Ruahine
  
  I think you will find that all of the councils that allow this menace on our streets are run by Labour.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12206865
  
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  December 24, 2019 11:37am
  - Batman
    
    Use them and you’ll quickly find that they’re not a menace but a useful tool.
    
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    December 24, 2019 11:40am
  - chaos
    
    Everything is a menace if used wrong by someone. Makes no difference what councils allowed them. You do realise there are likely far more privately owned electric scooters in NZ than what these companies offer?
    
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    December 24, 2019 11:52am
- Lance
  
  In Tel Aviv e-scooters are a serious commuting option, they are used by a lot of people.
  But they are ridden on the road, nobody rides on the footpath, except of the last few feet to their destination.
  
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  December 24, 2019 12:49pm
- Ed Snack
  
  I found a model that has a top speed of 70 kph ! Now THAT is frightening, especially because if it is possible, someone will do it.
  
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  December 24, 2019 2:19pm
JimBobJoe

Tony Blair putting the knife in to Corbynites… in a polite but direct way…..

He makes the odd big statement on Brexit being ‘a mistake’….

20 plus minutes – for those interested in UK politics…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77650D7uRaw
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December 24, 2019 9:44am
- James Stephenson
  
  As a Pom, I have exactly the same interest in the pronouncements of Tony B. Liar as I do in those of Helen Clark. They’re both long past relevance and should just $@&!* off.
  
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  December 24, 2019 10:56am
  - Biscuit
    
    We’re still getting ‘valued input’ from bloody Geoffrey Palmer, too…
    
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    December 24, 2019 12:27pm
    - DigNap15
      
      And Jim Bolder and Michael Cullen
      
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      December 24, 2019 5:16pm
Notsofast

“The highest responsibility of a prosecutor is to see that justice is done and ensuring that we have the correct individual charged is a baseline responsibility,”
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December 24, 2019 9:50am
- JibberJabber
  
  Mission accomplished then.
  
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  December 24, 2019 12:44pm
- Tall Man
  
  They did that and I hope lundy rots in prison for as long as possible.
  
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  December 24, 2019 12:51pm
  - chaos
    
    What you mean not so fast isn’t Lundy? Surely there isn’t someone stupid enough other than Lundy to believe he is innocent
    
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    December 24, 2019 2:49pm
    - Tall Man
      
      All I can say is 36% and 7%.
      
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      December 24, 2019 5:39pm
All_on_Red

Long read but very interesting
https://www.thepostemail.com/2019/12/22/scotus-no-articles-of-impeachment-or-a-trial-are-required-for-the-senate-to-acquit-president-trump/
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December 24, 2019 10:19am
- SGA
  
  It is interesting. From a quick read about Nixon v. United States (1993), it’s debatable whether some sort 0f “trial” (if only by a committee that reports back to the Senate) can or should be avoided completely. The Constitution does say “tried by the Senate”, and there were some differences in opinion within the SCOTUS decision – i.e., whether the Court should have the power to review cases in which the Senate reached a decision concerning an impeached officer summarily without a hearing, or through some arbitrary process such as “a coin toss.”
  
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  December 24, 2019 11:14am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Agreed, it does seem that the Senate can make almost whatever rules it likes about the process, and SCOTUS won’t intervene as it is “non justiciable”, ie outside their purview.
    
    Not sure if that would enable them to self select by majority vote a committee who would vote, that would enable the majority to select an entirely partisan panel, but that seems to be a possibility.
    
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    December 24, 2019 2:22pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      The Senate may opt for upholding the Constitution directly by simply saying the quality of the Dems proceeding are an affront to justice and can’t be recognised.
      That should be considered as Congress can’t be allowed to turn back into a Star Chamber
      
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      December 24, 2019 4:10pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        The process requiring witnesses to testify under oath is better, isn’t it?
        
        I don’t think it will hurt Trump.
        
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        December 25, 2019 10:21am
All_on_Red

Merry Christmas everyone
Hope you all have a great day.
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December 24, 2019 10:22am
- Tall Man
  
  You Too and……………………
  
  MAGA 2020 😉
  
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  December 24, 2019 10:36am
alloytoo

Here’s Wishing all Kiwi bloggers a Very Merry Christmas.

If Christmas isn’t your thang, enjoy your thang peacefully and safely.
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December 24, 2019 10:37am
In Vino Veritas

Merry Christmas to all. Remember, life is short, gather your family and friends and celebrate the year you have had, and no matter what, it has been a good one. Also, everyone is entitled to their opinion and view, be respectful of that as you will find that people you actually like will think differently on some issues than you!
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December 24, 2019 10:47am
- Swifty
  
  And to you IVV.
  
  I attended a funeral yesterday in Henderson, for a 17 year old who lost her life tragically.
  
  A terribly sad occasion.
  
  Love to all.
  
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  December 24, 2019 12:02pm
RiP NZ

Newshub
Vilifying anyone remotely centre right – those who actually keep the country running
Vilifying gun owners – mostly the same

Spruiking. Mongrel Mob.

Fks sake.
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December 24, 2019 11:26am
Ruahine

Christmas is alive and well in the Malls. I do miss the ‘old’ carols though. Snoopy’s Christmas does not quite cut it I reckon along with that ghastly ‘Jingle Bells’.
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December 24, 2019 11:26am
- Ruahine
  
  Something like this perhaps.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZPyphUNO6k
  
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  December 24, 2019 11:52am
  - Ruahine
    
    Or maybe this one.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKvKMgR8H7k
    
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    December 24, 2019 12:00pm
  - Tall Man
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5_FWnhE6Ho
    
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    December 24, 2019 12:48pm
Tall Man

Look at this young woman.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/12/24/959436/the-sure-things-nicola-grigg

I challenge the lefties to name just 1 labour mp that is as capable as this woman.

Once again, National get to take the pick of the crop.
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December 24, 2019 11:41am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Wasn’t Cindy meant to be?
  
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  December 24, 2019 12:22pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Not sure Suze. I think she thinks she is but as usual…. she’s wrong 😉
    
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    December 24, 2019 4:27pm
- chaos
  
  Although not a leftie I accept your challenge, can you give me a time frame on how long I have to achieve this, I would appreciate a few decades in case someone does come along, and location wise do they have to be located on earth?
  
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  December 24, 2019 12:26pm
  - Tall Man
    
    I realise your problem.’
    ‘
    Look at the whole current crop and really, if they were strawberries you wouldn’t even pick them to make sauce, let alone put them on a pavlova.
    
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    December 24, 2019 4:29pm
    - chaos
      
      Nope if you are going to limit it to the current lot can’t do it. There is not even any up and coming talent there.
      
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      December 24, 2019 4:56pm
- greybeard
  
  Agreed.
  And she looks amazingly like her grandmother , from those photos.
  
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  December 24, 2019 2:12pm
Suze Wainwright

I thought green technologies was the idea whose time had come?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12296397
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December 24, 2019 12:25pm
IndividualResponsibility

Rich Prick – https://www.scotsman.com/news-2-15012/piers-morgan-attacks-greens-msp-ross-greer-over-anti-winston-churchill-tweet-1-4863697
I’m unsure if the above link has been posted previously, but it demonstrates exactly the thinking of the petulant young politicos trying to progress their thinking, while completely missing the point. And Piers Morgan demonstrates what the older generations know. Any wonder Boris brought such a resounding Conservative victory to Great Britain!
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December 24, 2019 12:49pm
Paulus

Happy Christmas Ardern, daughter and him in Gissie.
Thence on to Sydney for your holiday and a chance to embarrass ScoMo.
She apparently said that she wishes to be private which means only six of her media staff will be there.
As if the Aussie do not have enough fire problems – her going will probably only inflame the sad situation.
She cannot go anywhere without wanting to be than centre of attention.
No doubt she will hug every firemen/woman she can.
This could backfire literally on her so my Aussie cousins say – stay away.
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December 24, 2019 12:57pm
chaos

* A new report shows almost half a billion dollars was paid out in hardship grants during the last financial year – with one beneficiary claiming almost $50,000 in 223 grants.

Figures released as part of the Ministry of Social Development annual review show over 1.2m hardship grants and payments were made to clients in the 2018 fiscal year, an increase of 49 percent from 2015.*

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/12/new-report-shows-hardship-grants-increase-49-percent-since-2015.html
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December 24, 2019 1:44pm
Maggie Pie

What a glorious afternoon here in Remmers 😀
Just back inside from having a swim and enjoying a fab champagne lunch poolside.
We’ll be heading out later on to join a couple of friends for dinner at our fave little Jap place in Parnell. As my partner said, “I wonder what the poor people are doing for Christmas?”
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December 24, 2019 2:15pm
- chaos
  
  Aren’t the poor people swimming in their pools in Remmers?
  
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  December 24, 2019 2:51pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Maggie. Love your comments but you do realise that the abbreviation ‘Jap’ is highly offensive to the Japanese.
  Maybe the Sky Fairy will sort you out in the morning.
  
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  December 24, 2019 3:30pm
  - MH
    
    well you nipp ed that in the blossom.
    
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    December 24, 2019 3:51pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Hiyaa Cap’tn – not sure you’re actually correct with that.
    Obviously we have no idea where you’re located, but my partner thought that what you actually contend there, may be more of a ‘geographical phenomenon’ perhaps?
    In fact our friends have only just arrived to take us out, so i ran your comment by them. They both agreed they’d never heard of anything so silly – and TBH, none of us have ever referred to them any other way.
    [HEY, maybe its something ‘Odakyu-Sen’ could put us straight on if he’s about?]
    
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    December 24, 2019 6:39pm
    - Jack5
      
      Yep, the term referred to is generally regarded as derogatory, offensive, and even a racial slur.
      
      This stems from its use in wartime propaganda.
      
      A Japanese view:
      https://www.japan-talk.com/jt/new/is-the-word-Jap-derogatory
      
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      December 24, 2019 7:09pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        There you go Jack0. Proves what my partner says is correct – it IS actually a ‘geographical phenomenon’.
        
        “….The word Jap is widely used as a contraction in SINGAPORE – and is not considered offensive”
        
        [Although as our friends just said, “That’s chinks for ya’]
        
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        December 24, 2019 7:35pm
      - Jack5
        
        When it comes to views on races, Maggie, Singaporeans don’t tippy-toe around:
        
        http://www.visakanv.com/sg/examples-of-racism/
        
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        December 24, 2019 8:50pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Just out of interest, is your “fave little Jap place in Parnell” actually operated by Japanese or is it a Korean outfit?
  
  I was really let down a couple of years ago when I went to the (Korean-owned) Ken Yakitori Bar in Meadowlands. When I walked through the front door I got the most insipid “irrashaimase” greeting ever. I almost left in disgust on the spot.
  
  A proper “irrashaimase” is absolutely critical.
  Ref: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBH2FF5Vi8c
  
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  December 24, 2019 6:33pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Hiyaa Sensei – just talking about you to The Cap’tn 😀
    Our fave place that we always head is GION.
    My partner booked the private-room there last year for my birthday and everyone was over the moon about service and food. The other reason we always dine there is my partner knows the chef, and whenver he comes out to the table to talk to us, he always laughs at my partners jokes.
    Highly recommend next time your in the area.
    
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    December 24, 2019 7:07pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Maggie,
      I shall start saving up for a night out at Gion in Parnell.
      It looks wonderful!
      
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      December 24, 2019 8:32pm
Ed Snack

Merry Christmas to all and sundry. Regardless of political or other differences, have a great Christmas, keep safe, and enjoy yourself.
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December 24, 2019 2:25pm
Stephieboy2

Wishing everyone ( friend or foe ) a very joyous and safe Christmas,

Beautiful carol From Clear Sky – Orthodox Nuns from Camarzani Monastery singing a Romanian Vlach Byzantine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4Og5koL9Pk

Blessings!
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December 24, 2019 3:02pm
- Tall Man
  
  Thanks steffy girl.
  
  If you want to make a difference, I’ve got a couple of New Year’s resolutions your could put into practice…. you only have to ask.
  
  Merry Christmas and leave the fucking livestock alone 😉
  
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  December 24, 2019 5:10pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Have just got the first trayload of pirozhki out of the oven…
https://jwfoodandwine.com/braised-cabbage-russian-piroshki-pastries

should be finished by 4pm….
yay!!!!!!

Beginning to feel that after 39 years of making them for Xmas, I’ve got them sussed.
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December 24, 2019 3:39pm
- Tall Man
  
  But have you tried it with kimchi as a filling.
  
  I may have to have a crack at that in the new year but I think I’d probably need a few extra chilled vodkas to wash it down.
  
  Have a Merry Christmas Maggy.
  
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  December 24, 2019 5:14pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

No Mothers or Mothers in Law now for 5 years. Fathers passed long before that. All Aunties and Uncles gone. Our small extended family are now realising that we are the new ‘old people’
Merry Christmas
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December 24, 2019 3:44pm
- Sacha
  
  We are a small unit now too. I am the Grand Dame, lol, whoever would have thought.
  But the grandies are coming long nicely.
  Seasons Greetings to kiwiblog and all who sail in her – we are set fair for 2020.
  
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  December 24, 2019 6:18pm
MH

there is still time for The incinderator ardern to make a flying visit to Aussie, get into rural firefighting gear, parachute in with a koala on her shoulder, rub a bit of charcoal on her face, hold a hose, where are her advisors FGS? The photo op gone begging whilst Aussie PM wanders about like a lost abo. Do wonders for cER and a jar of Manuka honey whilst having a break, let alone a marmite sandwich…go cobber…maybe she could do it in a studio here with old Peter Jackson studios,
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December 24, 2019 3:49pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I thought she was already over there. Did the disappearing act about the 20th? Needed a 8 week break?
  
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  December 24, 2019 5:22pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Gisborne then of to Oz. Lucky them.
    
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    December 24, 2019 5:34pm
    - chaos
      
      I remember the first time she went to Gisborne after winning. Her security made the motel they were trying at kick out all the people who had booked in so that they could have the rooms
      
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      December 24, 2019 9:19pm
alex Masterley

Merry Christmas to all kiwibloggers and thank you to our host for enabling us to discuss the affairs of the day…
Righto – I hear the soft sound of a freshly poured Mountain Goat steam ale so I am off. Have fun and play nicely.
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December 24, 2019 3:52pm
- Tall Man
  
  Back at you. I’ve got the salmon cold smoking and the boss is glazing a ham and hopefully she’ll surprise with me with a drink as well shortly.
  
  Have a great evening.
  
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  December 24, 2019 5:20pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Likewise, I’ve enjoyed your comments on all manner of posts.
  
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  December 24, 2019 10:46pm
Happychappy

As someone that has no time for John Minto and his Politics I have to say I’m very surprised to see him take time out to speak honestly about our Prime Minister and say what many on the left haven’t got the guts to speak the truth.
https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2019/12/24/the-problem-with-jacinda-continued/
I wonder if the left will start witchhunt on one of there own for pointing out Jacinda’s faults.
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December 24, 2019 4:15pm
- Tall Man
  
  I liked this bit.
  
  “Hugs without hope”.
  
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  December 24, 2019 5:25pm
chaos

I like Xmas movies but looking through the epg for today and tomorrow it looks like the usual New Zealand tradition of crap Xmas shows on tv. Wrapped up with Jacinda ardern on tv2 tomorrow night reading a kids story, pffft, there were more able and better people reading in the goodnight kiwi than that
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December 24, 2019 4:16pm
- Tall Man
  
  Boris’s election video got me downloading “Love Actually” … at the bosses request 😉
  
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  December 24, 2019 5:26pm
  - chaos
    
    Hahahaha. Sure you keep telling yourself that ?
    
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    December 24, 2019 6:15pm
chaos

Oh no a bug in $2.79 bag of buns. Most people would take it back and get a refund, but there are the special people that run to the media to try and profit from it, he doesn’t want $1000, but the $25 offered is not enough. He wants $50 or $100.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12296492
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December 24, 2019 4:28pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Maybe a bug made the video??
  Fucks sake, get over yourself. Leave a sealed tray of meat on the bench for a few days or a week. You will find maggots. How did the fly lay eggs through the plastic??
  
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  December 24, 2019 5:29pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Ninja flies?
    
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    December 24, 2019 5:32pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Those fly ovipositors can probably deal with plastic cling-wrap.
    
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    December 24, 2019 5:34pm
- Tall Man
  
  All I will say is…
  
  “remember the tinkers here at the start of the year?”.
  
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  December 24, 2019 5:34pm
- Rich Prick
  
  If I was the Herald’s editor, the story would read: Lee is a cry-baby fuckwit.
  
  1. He shops at Pak’n’Save but expects a Harrods experience.
  2. The buns look like a 90 year old’s arse.
  3 They were marked down a whopping 70 cents. Fucking tight arse.
  4. They were best before yesterday.
  5. My grandfather ate dog in Changi’s prison camp as a guest of the Japanese, just so Lee could have the freedom to run off to the media over probably the most nutritious part of the package.
  
  He wouldn’t be getting anything more than a refund, less a further mark down for being beyond the best before date, and being a fuckwit. Twenty cents should cover it.
  
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  December 24, 2019 9:14pm
Odakyu-sen

Something is different this year.
I have heard the song Feliz Navidad playing everywhere in all the shopping malls and supermarkets, but not once this year have I heard Snoopy’s Christmas — Royal Guardsmen.

What gives?
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December 24, 2019 4:43pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Snoopy, like me, the cat and my car and everything else apparently is either racist, transphobic, misogynistic or oppressive. But I’ve lost the will to give a fuck about snowflakes’ feelings any more, they can all go and get fucked for Christmas. The rest of us are having far too much fun living to care about their feelings and sensitivities.
  
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  December 24, 2019 9:02pm
DigNap15

Merry Christmas to 99% of you.
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December 24, 2019 5:20pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  We, the other 1% not included, are offended!
  
  Bah, humbug!
  
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  December 24, 2019 7:50pm
Jack5

Season’s greetings, fellow Kiwibloggerites.

Alert! Woke Wombles are astir. As senior journos move to the beaches and lakes, the lower tier left at the rudder highlights its Leftist views.

For example, Red Radio’s Hamish Bidwell, still grizzling because the Crusaders didn’t change their name, presses for diversity and multiculturism in rugby administration.

Are you going to force clubs to have multicultural committees? If not are you just going to cap off the tiers of voluntary administrators with layers, above club level, of centrally appointed, race-based administrators?

Rugby’s structure is built on clubs, sub-unions, and unions. There’s nothing to stop ethnic Pacific Islanders, whom Bidwell focuses on, from moving up through administration. They can form their own clubs, take over running clubs in suburbs where they can have become a majority, or get involved in any club and move up in the administration.

In the days when Catholics were discriminated against, they formed Marist and Hibernian clubs, and moved up. They joined the system and succeeded: assimilated rather than diversified. There were no mandates for X-proportion of Doolans in each administrative level.

Club rugby is under pressure round the country. In some regions, young men are choosing other sports to participate in. Network TV, subscriber TV like Sky, and the internet are widening sports’ fans choices and tastes. Players and spectators have new choices.

And what of young ethnic Chinese? And Indians? Are they drawn in big numbers to rugby? And, of course gender. That’s a big one if rugby – and other sports – are moved into some sort of proportional representation.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/pacific/406151/pasifika-overlooked-in-nz-rugby-leadership-study
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December 24, 2019 6:56pm
Tall Man

Hi Jack, Merry Christmas.

I spent 20 years in children’s sport and race never entered into it, nor religion.

I am sorry it did in your world and hopefully 2020 will be be better when ardern takes a sabbatical.

In the interim, Merry Christmas.
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December 24, 2019 11:01pm
- Jack5
  
  “Twenty years in children’s sport”…
  
  That’s a bit tough on the competitors, Tall Man, especially if your pseudonym accurately reflects your size.
  
  Race rarely if ever a problem in my youthful sporting days, either, and would have been easily sorted out.
  
  But Merry Christmas, and not sure we want Jacinerella taking a sabbatical, especially if that means another baby just ahead of the election.
  
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