General Debate 22 December 2019

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krazykiwi

The Prime Minister and leader of the Labour party today announced a new party initiative to address sagging donation revenue. A for-profit business unit will be established to provide legal services to high net worth clients whose challenging cases are under served by the legal establishment. “We have gained significant experience keeping sexual abuse cases from clogging up the court system, and for informally supporting valued friends who may have donations, immigration or incarceration difficulties. It makes sense for us to leverage these skills, and to monetise the significant opportunities for the benefit of the Labour party”.

Ms Ardern cites the current donations shortfall as ‘frustrating’. “We’ve done everything we can to lift our donations revenue the traditional way. You know, retaining consultants on generous fees in the hope that some of that fee investment will find its way back to the party via donations. Great jobs in academia for our friends. We’ve even planned a return to old-school union control in the hope that increased union membership would lead to increased donations”.

With those avenues appearing less fruitful, the party is now looking to pivot towards areas of new strength. Their network of friends extends to family members on the judiciary, well-placed individuals entrenched in advocacy roles, and even an underworld leader or two, something Ms Ardern was keen to play down. “The Labour party is adopting an inclusive policy, and targeting the most vexing justice matters. No one should miss out, particularly those who can afford the type of justice we can orchestrate”. Ms Ardern became noticeably irritated when a member of the press made a comment about ‘lawnmowers’ at which point she concluded the press conference.

In a show of cross-party bonhomie, the new business unit is to be headed by Golriz Ghahraman, someone known for her eagerness to take on the cases others would cross the street to avoid. “Yeah, lol. Who knew that defending Rwandan mass murders would lead to this great opportunity here in New Zealand” observed Ms Ghahraman.

But not everyone is happy with the Labour party’s move. Noted constitutional law expert Andy Geddy suggested that the Labour party’s new initiative could place it on the wrong side of the law. “The Labour-led government has a responsibility to set our laws, and to uphold them. I can see serious conflicts of interest in this commercial undertaking, not the least of which being the tax-free status of the Labour party”.

However Ms Ardern quickly dismissed these concerns. “We will be taking advice, and then going ahead and doing what we think is right. If there are statues limiting our freedom to operate then the government will change the law. We have the numbers”

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December 22, 2019 8:00am
- Paulus
  
  Another new Committee !
  
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  December 22, 2019 8:57am
- Ruahine
  
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  December 22, 2019 9:52am
- Prince
  
  Noted constitutional lawyer Sir Geoffrey Palm’dit agreed with Ms Ardern.
  “Our Constitution clearly outlines this process, and is in line with the Treaty articles 7, 14b and 15”.
  
  Sir Geoffrey has been appointed to the Commission set up to implement this long overlooked Constitutional requirement.
  
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  December 22, 2019 10:52am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Oh shit, they keep finding work for the useless old git.
    
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    December 22, 2019 11:06am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    “Geoffrey…I’ve changed my mind.”
    
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    December 22, 2019 11:48am
- pb
  
  Try the Clinton way – pay for play.
  
  Or, the Ukraine boondoggle way. Donate a billion or so dollars to a “poor oppressed” country, then scalp 20% off in corrupt in-house consultancies, direct payments, jobs for the drug addicted sons, etc. Is that the Tonga scalp?
  
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  December 22, 2019 3:13pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Look what I found
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December 22, 2019 8:01am
artemisia

Another Christmas rental story in Stuff yesterday – poor tenants given notice, bad tenants causing grief to landlords. An attempt to balance the earlier story about a tenant given notice just before Christmas leading her to rail in the media about greedy heartless landlords. A lot of online comment about her story – for and against. I would say leaning towards against.

There is a theme in yesterday’s story – the tenants who have to leave can’t find anywhere else to rent. And that is over several locations.

I wonder why that is? Could it be landlords selling up? Or getting rid of potentially problem tenants before the rules change? Or landlords being very picky about the tenants they choose, again because of the proposed rule changes?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/118364208/new-zealands-rental-market-whats-really-happening
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December 22, 2019 8:03am
Dazzaman

First fifteen/twenty minutes pretty much summarizes the coup happening in the states…..
https://youtu.be/x3dTKvNpHUw
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December 22, 2019 8:05am
- Fletch
  
  Nancy Pelosi now thinks she has the right to dictate to the Senate how it should go about its business. Nothing to do with her or the House. Totally unlawful and unconstitutional. This tyranny has never been seen in America before. The woman is a fascist.
  
  Mark Levin –
  
  “Nancy Pelosi was apparently advised by leftwing Harvard law professor Lawrence Tribe to delay sending the impeachment to the Senate. So she’s unilaterally sitting on the impeachment. This is another brazen unconstitutional act,” Levin wrote Thursday morning on his Facebook page.
  
  “Here’s what Mitch McConnell and the Senate Republicans must do in response: The Senate has the sole power under the Constitution to adjudicate an impeachment. Therefore, Pelosi is attempting to obstruct the Senate’s power to act on its constitutional authority. McConnell should immediately put an end to this and declare the impeachment null and void as the speaker has failed to complete the impeachment process by timely sending it to the Senate for adjudication,” he continued. “McConnell has no less authority to unilaterally make such a decision than Pelosi does to withhold the administrative notification of an impeachment to the Senate either indefinitely or with conditions. Her effort to cripple the presidency and blackmail the Senate must be defeated.”
  
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  December 22, 2019 9:33am
  - Batman
    
    Lol this is just yet another flimsy process argument.
    
    Besides, both the Senate and the House are closed for Christmas!
    
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    December 22, 2019 9:58am
    - Fletch
      
      Batman, I know. Pelosi deliberately went off on holiday without sending the articles, until such time as she gets terms she likes and the witnesses she wants? Really? That’s not how it works. She doesn’t get to dictate terms to the Senate. Democrats have tried to control this whole thing completely. Holding hearings in secret. Not releasing transcripts (or releasing edited ones to the media which highlight the views they want to show). Denying Trump’s team counsel present or cross examination.
      
      And now they want to control what happens in the Senate as well? The audacity! As Levin said, the Senate should just call the whole impeachment null and void.
      
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      December 22, 2019 10:19am
      - Batman
        
        Moscow Mitch has gone off on holiday too. This is just people trying to keep the fear going while everyone important is at home smashing eggnog and opening presents.
        
        Given Mitch said it’s not going to be a fair process, I think it’s fair to question what his process will be, at least while the Xmas break is on. If they push out past 6 Jan I think they’d be pushing credibility.
        
        Hearings covered sensitive intelligence matters and partial scripts released once checked for such material.
        
        The congressional transcripts themselves are taken by a court official and signed off as true and accurate. This is in contrast to the phone call script which is not verified or a full recounting of the call.
        
        Trump blocked participation. Sorry to break it to you.
        
        Sadly for Levin’s fantasies, Mitch doesn’t have the power to do that. The Constitution says the Senate must hold a trial. So once the papers are delivered then he must do it.
        
        Then again, the Republican party have basically disregarded their pledges so who knows what they’ll do, the crooked lot of them.
        
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        December 22, 2019 10:30am
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘This is in contrast to the phone call script which is not verified or a full recounting of the calL’
        
        You Window Lickers are so funny with your Conspiracy Theories.
        
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        December 22, 2019 10:35am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        As McConnell has been quite open about ignoring the oath he will be required to swear to do impartial justice in the trial, it seems perfectly reasonable for the house to withhold sending the matter on until there is assurance that the senate is prepared to do its constitutional duty.
        
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        December 22, 2019 10:44am
      - Paulus
        
        Watching Pelosi I think she is a great television comedienne – quite funny expressions she uses – as useless as a one dollar note.
        
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        December 22, 2019 1:28pm
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      The whole thing is quite interesting Batman. Congress do the evidence gathering, then send it to Senate for trial. No impeachment has occurred until the trial takes place. So technically, Trump hasn’t been impeached. With the Senate and Congress being separate arms of the American system, Congress can’t instruct or make demands of the Senate. The only reason Congress would withhold the Impeachment Articles (evidence), is if they felt the evidence was not compelling enough to lead to impeachment. Claiming that Congress will not hand over the Articles because Senate would not give a fair trial is basically obstructing Senate from completing the task to which it is constitutionally bound. The only losers out of this whole charade are the Democrats and the American people.
      
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      December 22, 2019 11:08am
    - RiP NZ
      
      Mate.
      You really need to gain some perspective and apply some critical thought.
      Seemingly otherwise intelligent folk display masses of cognitive dissonance with Trump, simply because you dont like him.
      
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      December 22, 2019 11:20am
  - SGA
    
    @Fletch
    
    Totally unlawful and unconstitutional.
    
    What part of the Constitution does it violate? I imagine that the Supreme Court will get involved soon?
    (It may be unprincipled, nasty, whatever, but you like to throw the word “unconstitutional” around in places where I’m not convinced it applies )
    
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    December 22, 2019 10:14am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Not a Court in NZ would accept as evidence what the Dems paraded. The whole of their proceeding were an affront to Justice. The Senate is probably within its power to to consider that and that consequentially the “impeachment” is void.
      
      Justice has a price: respect. Justice can also be applied to those who don’t respect it. The Dems are showing thy are not fit to any part of a government.
      Turning the Congress into a Star Chamber is worse that a bad president.
      
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      December 22, 2019 12:02pm
      - SGA
        
        You are entitled to your personal opinion about an “affront to Justice”, etc. But… to get back to Fletch’s claims – what parts of the Constitution have been violated for him to call it “unconstitutional”?
        
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        December 22, 2019 12:42pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        The nature of evidence has been abused–that is unconstitutional.
        
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        December 22, 2019 3:36pm
      - SGA
        
        “abused”, “affront”, “respect” – all very pretty words (and perhaps fair words) but I am still waiting to find out how the US Constitution has been violated, and, if it has, why people aren’t knocking on the Supreme Court door. At the moment, all you are giving is your feelings on the matter. I was expecting something more concrete.
        
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        December 22, 2019 6:14pm
  - oldpark
    
    @Fletch. 9.33am
    Isn’t Nutty Nancy in fact demanding a so called
    “Quid Pro Quo”.What a bloody irony. Go figure that one.
    
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    December 22, 2019 1:08pm
- JibberJabber
  
  This impeachment wank started 15 minutes after trump was sworn in.
  Here`s the cretin Tlaib 6 months before the *gasp* phonecall,
  https://twitter.com/BrandonStraka/status/1207526780539678726
  
  “we’re gonna impeach the mother fucker”,
  
  Funny how Democracy takes a back seat when the scum Left think they have a modicum of power.
  
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  December 22, 2019 10:38am
  - Batman
    
    Oh puh-lease. One freshman congresswoman doth not a majority of the House make.
    
    Tlieb and the squad are basically just the Marama Davidson’s of the US. Unhelpful and a hindrance to the rest of the caucus.
    
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    December 22, 2019 10:44am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      The Washington Post first called for Trump’s impeachment 19 minutes after he took the oath of office. Within three months of Trump’s inauguration Maxine Walters has been quoted as saying “I’m going to fight every day until he’s impeached”.
      
      This is a political hit-job that smacks of sour grapes. The Democrats still can’t believe that Hilary lost.
      
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      December 22, 2019 1:56pm
artemisia

It’s all about data – 175 zetabytes predicted by 2025.

A zetabyte is a billion terabytes, a trillion gigabytes. Quite a lot, then.

New Zealand already has good tech skills and capacity, and can be a favoured destination for more to arrive. No reason we could not expand hugely, and without adding more cows and pine trees. Time for a bold government initiative into growing the tech pie. We were already selected to manage government data centres, as independent providers (and not China). New Zealand could be the backup data centre for the world. How about a tech village on Mahia Peninsular?

The quote below is from Friday’s CEO Daily newsletter from Fortune.

This from Doug Merritt, CEO of Splunk:

“The world will be generating 175 zetabytes of data by 2025—10x the volume of data the world sees today. But the value of data remains trapped for most organizations. In the 2020s, I suspect that data will become a business imperative—organizations who embrace it will lead their markets, while organizations who don’t act on dark data will fall behind and falter.”

IBM CEO Ginni Rometty wrote in with this thought:

“When it comes to innovation, we see business leaders moving to the next chapter of using data as their most powerful source of competitive advantage. This includes scaling A.I. everywhere. …And, to enable it all, it means expanding the pathways through which students and professionals can build their skills—in what I’ve coined as ‘new collar’ jobs, where skills matter more than degrees.”
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December 22, 2019 8:05am
- Jack5
  
  Might be a good idea if New Zealand were 250km east of New York, 250km west of Britain and Europe, 250km east of China, or close to Japan.
  
  We’re too isolated, and who would have vast data resources vulnerable to ocean cables.
  
  What about the latency because of the distances from user to storage?
  
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  December 22, 2019 10:37am
- wreck1080
  
  Yep, learn to code.
  
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  December 22, 2019 10:50am
- KevO'Brien
  
  This was being said in the 1970’s. Only the nerd class benefit. Software still becomes too complex to be maintained. Windows is self destructing.
  
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  December 22, 2019 12:05pm
Yvette

Labour sex assault allegation and Winston’s “private details”

Was it even ‘”legitimate” for Ardern to have an investigation?
1.16. The investigation also found that Ms 1 [“Sarah” in the Spinoff article] and the respondent had been in a consensual personal relationship for some eight months by February 2018. The time Ms 1 and the respondent spent together in his home or her flat, during the evenings in that month, arose out of their personal relationship. In this event, the New Zealand Labour Party Code of Conduct and Harassment policies do not govern their personal relationship. [1]

So was the alleged assault actually outside any “jurisdiction” of Labour Leader Ardern on behalf of the Labour Party to have Maria Dew inquire into the matter, albeit that the report is “… into the conduct of a Member of the Labour Party”
Or, if having found through inquiry that the circumstances were private, is portions of the report not an incursion on that privacy?
Isn’t it rather crap to state Labour policies “do not govern their personal relationship” but then publicly pass judgement on that private relationship any case?

Maybe Ardern could discuss the principles of privacy with Winston.
But then Winston should perhaps contemplate his own public treatment of this private issue (as it apparently is) –
Winston Peters has wasted no time wading into the Labour Party investigation, calling the allegations “unfounded fiction”, an “orgy of speculation”, and “innuendo” and “led by a woman called Paula Bennett making all sorts of vile allegations by way of innuendo without a fact to back it up” [2]
On a matter that was in fact not Ardern’s business, and even less Winston’s.

Of course regarding his own “private details” he has said “When it was brought to my attention I was astonished by it, seriously shocked by it and surprised by it – and that’s why I gave it my upmost attention and I left Wellington to come to Auckland and see to it.” [3] and later “This is humbug. It’s tawdry. It’s dirty. It’s filthy… It’s probably, in my view, illegal. Utterly, utterly wrong and apparently they knew even before I knew.” – and, for “a man whose job is to know”, that may have hurt the most [4]
You see, that was quite a serious matter.

[1] https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/405772/sexual-assault-allegations-against-ex-labour-staffer-not-established
[2] https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/09/winston-peters-labels-labour-sexual-assault-claims-innuendo-nz-first-mps-back-him-up.html
[3] https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96206826/winston-peters-reveals-superannuation-overpayment
[4] https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/08/anne-tolley-given-heads-up-over-winston-peters-pension-overpayment.html
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December 22, 2019 8:06am
JibberJabber

LoL,
https://twitter.com/FictionDoctrine/status/1208141580961382400/photo/1
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December 22, 2019 8:17am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  That’s brilliant. Deliberate or coincidence?
  
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  December 22, 2019 9:08am
  - JibberJabber
    
    Ha,ha Who knows? ??
    
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    December 22, 2019 9:12am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Masterfully deliberate I’d say. Look at the use of capitals in the last four letters.
    
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    December 22, 2019 9:34am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    He is trolling Pelosi again
    
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    December 22, 2019 9:46am
    - Stephieboy2
      
      The Art of War
      The Art of the Deal and now…
      The Art of Letter writing
      
      LOVE IT!
      
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      December 22, 2019 10:46am
Maggy Wassilieff

It’s a long day today

Summer Solstice is at 5:19pm.
https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/summer-solstice.html
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December 22, 2019 8:17am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Meanwhile in Alaska it is something like -26 deg C.
  https://www.explorefairbanks.com/blog/post/winter-solstice-fairbanks-alaska/
  
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  December 22, 2019 8:28am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Make that -36 deg C
    
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    December 22, 2019 8:36am
- alex Masterley
  
  All down hill till the middle of winter then.
  
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  December 22, 2019 8:39am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Feels like winter has arrived in Gizzy…15C and not going to get much warmer all week.
    
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    December 22, 2019 10:31am
  - Tall Man
    
    Bloody Grinch 😉
    
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    December 22, 2019 2:58pm
- Tall Man
  
  With any luck Maggy we’ll have another grand daughter by close of play today so hopefully another birthday on a day I can’t forget………
  
  Hang on, that idea didn’t work too well when I got married on Easter Monday 😉
  
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  December 22, 2019 10:42am
  - chaos
    
    Congrats
    
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    December 22, 2019 11:09am
    - Tall Man
      
      Thanks.
      
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      December 22, 2019 2:56pm
  - Aliog
    
    Best wishes for a safe delivery, and for healthy and happy mum, Tall Man. Grandchildren are a wonderful addition to anyone’s life.
    
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    December 22, 2019 12:44pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Thanks. Things seem to be moving along but it will be yet another family member with a birthday within a few day of Christmas. Still, it makes for “binge buying” which is always fun 🙂
      
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      December 22, 2019 2:57pm
  - Martin Williams
    
    [Mod – what a mean-spirited reply. Take a week off to reflect on the Christmas spirit]
    
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    December 22, 2019 2:37pm
    - chaos
      
      What sort of sad idiot uses a post where someone saying they are expecting a grandchild to vomit abuse at them. Grow up
      
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      December 22, 2019 3:43pm
    - Tall Man
      
      [Mod: deleted at request of poster]
      
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      December 22, 2019 4:03pm
    - stigie
      
      Can someone tell me who this Martin Williams is..?
      
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      December 22, 2019 4:06pm
      - chaos
        
        A lawyer believe it or not
        
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        December 22, 2019 4:47pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Matin Williams who comes onto this blog once stated that he wasn’t Martin Williams, Lawyer of Napier.
        
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        December 22, 2019 6:05pm
    - Pharmachick
      
      What?
      
      You can’t take 30 seconds off from your partisan whingeing to congratulate the man, and instead make a nasty ad hominem and completely speculative attack?
      
      I know who should sort their shit out, and it’s not Tall Man.
      
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      December 22, 2019 4:19pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Hi mod, I reported myself so you can delete my reply if you wish. No point sullying the thread further.
      
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      December 22, 2019 5:38pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Actually, I’m just assuming it will be a wee girl based on production to date 🙂
    
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    December 22, 2019 4:00pm
  - Pharmachick
    
    Congratulations. Best wishes to the little one, Mum and whole family.
    
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    December 22, 2019 4:17pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    That’s fantastic news Tall Man; congratulations to all your family.
    
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    December 22, 2019 4:38pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Hi everyone, thanks for the happy thoughts.
    
    Things are ticking along but surely to god evolution would have installed a zipper by now 😉
    
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    December 22, 2019 5:40pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Tall Man, we’re on tenderhooks, sir. What news?
    
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    December 22, 2019 10:07pm
John Warren

Michelle Duff must be nearly sinking into the ground from the weight of the chip on her shoulder.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/406008/man-behind-turnardern-campaign-people-want-a-prime-minister-not-a-fashion-model

It’s notable that she’s unable to come up with any actual defence of Ardern.
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December 22, 2019 8:20am
- Martin Williams
  
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  She’s 100% correct.
  
  Colin fears women and fears even more women in power. By turning her face the campaign is literally silencing women.
  
  Disgraceful misogynist behaviour and it’s good that he has been outed.
  
  #returnardern
  
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  December 22, 2019 9:20am
  - chaos
    
    And yet people like you who have been defenders of abusers of woman on this blog make that commen. You have no grounds to stand on anything disgraceful to woman the way you have defended those who equal assault and rape people on labour youth camps and in the behive.
    
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    December 22, 2019 10:09am
  - lifesgood
    
    MW don’t be an ass…heaps of women are turning Ardern. Her grinning photo shopped face assaulting you when shopping and while her government destroys the country makes many people, myself included, feel positively ill
    
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    December 22, 2019 10:14am
    - Sacha
      
      I was in my favourite bookshop last week, and there was a pile of ‘that book’ next to other biographies. I picked one up with the intent to turn it – and the one below had been turned! so I put the one I was holding back the same way. Discretely.
      What’s more, my middle aged daughters confessed to doing the same, and they were delighted to have a young and charming PM. I pleased to see that they have reverted to sanity.
      It’s a quiet protest, no name calling needed.
      
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      December 22, 2019 11:18am
      - Pharmachick
        
        “Its a quiet protest, no name calling needed”
        
        Beautifully put Sacha.
        
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        December 22, 2019 4:20pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Now we see Ardern on TV in commercials. PTPM
      
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      December 22, 2019 12:08pm
      - sooty
        
        Will the magazines put her pitcure on the arse end, just like on the bus?
        
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        December 22, 2019 12:38pm
  - Tall Man
    
    So martin, do you fear women or just despise them?
    
    Your defense of the ardern protected rapist and the onslaught of abuse directed at the victim shows exactly what a low life mongrel you really are.
    
    Your posts here are treated with the contempt that they deserve and every day you reinforce what a nasty place the labour party has become.
    
    Please keep up the great work on behalf of Simon Bridges and the National Party.
    
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    December 22, 2019 10:50am
    - Martin Williams
      
      When are you going to get it into your thick, perverted head that nothing happened.
      
      Swing and a miss by National.
      
      #returnardern
      
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      December 22, 2019 1:46pm
      - Tall Man
        
        So I’m off your Christmas card list… is that what you’re trying to say……
        
        Yep, National are such an awesome party they managed to get 12 people crammed into ardern’s office and spend many months preparing for the launch of rape and abuse allegations to embarrass ardern. Waste of time in my opinion as ardern is an embarrassment to New Zealand without outside help.
        
        You know, maybe you should be supporting National if they are such a clever party but maybe not, I think they have a low tolerance for deviants and women haters like yourself.
        
        Maybe labour needs to screen their membership more carefully but then I suppose women haters like yourself need somewhere to hang out for feelz and hugz.
        
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        December 22, 2019 2:15pm
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        Martyn, a LABOUR PARTY inquiry into sexual assault found nothing. Might I suggest that their findings are not conclusive?
        
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        December 22, 2019 5:22pm
      - Suze Wainwright
        
        Merry Christmas Martin!
        All the compliments of the season to you and all…
        
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        December 22, 2019 9:15pm
  - Swifty
    
    Hahahahahaha.
    
    Martin proves once again the difference between what he wants to be the truth and the actual truth.
    
    But just for shits and giggles a question for Martin.
    
    So Martin, how do you KNOW ‘Colin fears women and fears even more women in power. By turning her face the campaign is literally silencing women.’
    
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    December 22, 2019 10:57am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Where was your concern when Labour and Green activists were hiding the John Key biography a few years ago Martin?
    
    https://www.stephenfranks.co.nz/a-wellington-bookshop-for-book-burners/
    
    Stop picking low-hanging fruit, and come up with an argument of substance.
    
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    December 22, 2019 2:01pm
    - Martin Williams
      
      I remember that. It got wall to wall coverage right? You literally couldn’t escape it…
      
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      December 22, 2019 2:40pm
- Jules99
  
  Wilson comes across really well in that piece. I imagine quite few kiwis will be quietly nodding their heads.
  
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  December 22, 2019 9:43am
- sooty
  
  Buy that man a beer!
  He started a new means to piss Cindy off and she don’t like it! Brilliant I like it and have done it myself!
  
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  December 22, 2019 9:45am
  - lifesgood
    
    Yes, sooty, me too.
    
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    December 22, 2019 10:15am
- Ruawai
  
  I turned a book around in Whitcouls last week and I am female so the author saying it is hatred of women is not true. Just because she is a female doesn’t mean she is good at her job.
  
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  December 22, 2019 9:51am
  - greybeard
    
    You are so right Ruawai.
    We expect Ardern to be competent , in control of her ministers, on top of the main issues and we want her especially to tell the truth.
    She meets none of those conditions, ever.
    
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    December 22, 2019 12:17pm
  - Pharmachick
    
    Thank you Ruawai. As a woman who has more-or-less “made it” in a male dominated discipline, I am so TIRED of these social justice warriors spouting complete untruths around the whole sex/gender divide. I note that Sri Bob Jones has specifically commented on why, even though he gives millions to humanities scholarships those is psychology have been specifically disallowed, because of nonsense like this.
    
    This woman is not just implying, but outright saying; that when men criticize women the root cause is that men are intimidated/misogynist/backwards. This does MORE to hurt women’s equality than anything. If women deserve an equal place in society/the workplace etc then women are equally up for criticism from anybody when they don’t do their jobs well.
    
    Also, its horribly condescending to suggest that only men would participate in this protest b/c of the aforementioned prejudices – that implies that women don’t have a mind of their own and *must* support other women because “wimmin”. Meh, shades of the Hillary candidacy thing.
    
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    December 22, 2019 4:30pm
Happychappy

This statement might be callous and mean spirited but why do people have children if they can’t give them the necessaries in life, 30.000 food parcels and Xmas presents given out by one charity this Xmas.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/budgeting-service-flooded-desperate-families-in-lead-up-christmas-calls-charities-funding-performance-based.
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December 22, 2019 8:20am
- Steve James
  
  Not callous at all Happychappy, when you simply stated the obvious. Bludgers taking the piss need to be publicly humiliated not encouraged.
  
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  December 22, 2019 9:12am
- Martin Williams
  
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  Have you considered where the human race would be now if people didn’t have children?
  
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  December 22, 2019 9:23am
  - Tall Man
    
    Yes I have and I have also considered where we will end up if some keep having them when they are unable to feed and clothe them.
    
    I also can imagine a place where previously some chose not to have children.
    
    I’m sure your mother is really proud of a rape enabling women hater like yourself.
    
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    December 22, 2019 10:53am
  - Sacha
    
    Well clearly there wouldn’t be a human race, would there? None of us would be here, and the planet would be a peaceful green paradise – only we wouldn’t know.
    Silly old humans – they tried to improve their lives over the millennia and now we have people so well fed that they can live without contributing, but do so, complainingly, on the productivity of others.
    And we tolerate it, because we have not yet been imposed upon enough to feel the impact on our own lives – yet.
    
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    December 22, 2019 11:31am
- chaos
  
  Xmas puts a lot of xtra stress on families financially that are normally coping, but on top of that you have that this government has seen an increase to the cost of living. Some people could of lost their jobs, become ill. The health of our society is not how we judge people less fortunate but how we care for them.
  
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  December 22, 2019 9:27am
- Sydney Alvarado
  
  It’s not unique to New Zealand. As education and incomes rise, birth rates fall. If you are a woman with poor education, geographically or socially isolated, you have babies. In contrast people earning more have a higher opportunity cost if they focus on childbirth and parenting rather than their continued career, and doing other stuff like travelling.
  
  The upshot is that higher income people pay for their own one or two kids plus the 3 or 6 children of the beneficiaries in East Cape. The dysfunctional picture is made worse by women having children to 2, 3, or more fathers. They either bugger off or attack, injure or kill the children of the preceeding men.
  
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  December 22, 2019 9:53am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Many try and some run into difficulties like health or an employer closing down.
  Most people starting out are both hopeful and expect to be able to meet family needs.
  
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  December 22, 2019 12:12pm
Scott

Has Trump been impeached if the House of Representatives does not send the articles of impeachment through to the Senate for a trial? According to Democrat witness at impeachment proceedings in the house Noah Feldman the answer is no. The framers of the Constitution envisaged a process for impeachment where the House of Representatives would impeach the president and the Senate would hold a trial. Only after a verdict of guilty in the Senate could the president be removed.

However according to Mr Feldman the president has not been actually impeached until the articles of impeachment are sent to the Senate so that the charges can be read out. Leader of the house Nancy Pelosi is trying to get leverage for the Senate trial, in which she actually has no constitutional role. If she does not send the articles of impeachment to the Senate then Trump can plausibly claim that he was never actually impeached.

The only other difficulty is that Pres Trump is very keen to have a trial in the Senate so he can have his acquittal. The good thing is that Mitch McConnell, the leader of the Senate, is a very canny politician who is a master of these situations. One can only hope that Pres Trump does have his trial and Justice will be done by the Senate of the United States.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-12-19/trump-impeachment-delay-could-be-serious-problem-for-democrats
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December 22, 2019 8:34am
- Batman
  
  To save you a number of paragraphs, the answer is yes. They voted and articles were passed. End of.
  
  The rest is a process argument for crying children.
  
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  December 22, 2019 10:11am
  - Tall Man
    
    I have noticed the bitterness in some of your recent posts, often directed at other posters on here.
    
    I really hope you are not the mod continually censoring my posts because they do not fit your imagined standards.
    
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    December 22, 2019 10:56am
    - Batman
      
      I think you mistake dryness for bitterness my friend!
      
      All of the Mods moderate your comments which breach the line. It’s not one Mod with a grudge, so you can relax. You’re treated no differently than other people with a tendency to go too far ?
      
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      December 22, 2019 11:04am
      - sooty
        
        Prove it!
        
        [Mod (not Batman) – there’s no need for us to prove anything sooty. DPF has given us a job to do, and we do it. It really is as simple as that. I suspect you’d be horrified by some of the comments that don’t make it through.]
        
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        December 22, 2019 11:17am
      - Tall Man
        
        Well Batman I think we all know that the line moves with the breeze don’t we?
        
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        December 22, 2019 2:16pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    Actually not clear, a number of reasonably competent constitutional law experts aren’t sure. It is at least tenable to claim that impeached means that the articles of impeachment are lodged with the senate for trial and the impeachment managers (aka prosecutors) are named.
    
    McConnel has offered the same (bi-partisan and nearly unanimously agreed) trial terms as used for the Clinton trial, but that’s apparently not good enough for Pelosi.
    
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    December 22, 2019 11:29am
    - Tall Man
      
      Like the labour party here, they only want “their” judges to be anywhere near their filthy crimes.
      
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      December 22, 2019 2:53pm
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Not so fast Batman. No Prosecutor can indict anyone. Indictment has to be handed to Judge/Court, else no indictment. In this case, Congress = Prosecutor, Senate = Court.
    
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    December 22, 2019 6:10pm
- chaos
  
  https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pelosis-problem-dems-own-witness-says-trump-not-truly-impeached-unless-articles-go-to-senate
  
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  December 22, 2019 10:26am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The Senate may also declare the Congressional proceeding a sham and therefore void.
  
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  December 22, 2019 12:16pm
hullkiwi

Here is one for for Maggie B, read it last night in the woke Horrid and loved it…..

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/406008/man-behind-turnardern-campaign-people-want-a-prime-minister-not-a-fashion-model

…..and remember #turnardern
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December 22, 2019 8:35am
- lifesgood
  
  Hullkiwi – LOL…Michelle Duff! What a joke. She’s just pissed off that she’s not selling as many copies as she thought she would. It has already been discounted by $10 everywhere…soon be in the bargain bin.
  
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  December 22, 2019 10:19am
  - sooty
    
    Ardernexit. Is one I like!
    
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    December 22, 2019 11:19am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Even the bargain bin won’t be cheap enough for me.
    Why would I spend even 50 cents on a stupid book about an even stupider PTPM?
    
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    December 22, 2019 11:23am
    - DigNap15
      
      Maybe they can give them away as Christmas presents.
      
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      December 22, 2019 12:19pm
      - sooty
        
        You got some people you don’t like?
        
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        December 22, 2019 12:41pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    At $5 I will buy 20. To use the pages + kindling wood for home heating fires next winter.
    
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    December 22, 2019 12:57pm
    - namron
      
      I can imagine the very special feeling you would have!
      Warmth, but also an overwhelming feeling of satisfaction.
      [You’ll have queues of anxious people waiting outside hoping to also experience and enjoy this feeling!! Put me on the list for an invitation.]
      
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      December 22, 2019 4:26pm
    - chaos
      
      Would you like them autographed? I can do them for you, I used to autograph bibles any time the nutjobs would tour the schools and hand the out. Edited one once for them to, not sure why they didn’t like the edits.
      
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      December 22, 2019 8:45pm
hullkiwi

Damn this government wasting taxpayers money. Contrary to what the article says, Aucklanders do not want the walking path over the bridge.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/405924/deal-fast-tracks-auckland-harbour-bridge-walkway-and-cycleway-plan

Well, at least they are talking about not starting it until the end of next year. Here’s hoping National are elected and this stupid project is kicked out along with SeaPath (the walking path from Takapuna to the Bridge)!!!
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December 22, 2019 8:38am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Totally agree hullkiwi.
  Has anyone even started to work out how high speed downhill cyclists are going to safely mix it with wandering pedestrians?
  
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  December 22, 2019 11:25am
  - hullkiwi
    
    No.
    
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    December 22, 2019 2:44pm
Albert_Ross

Belated contribution to Friday’s discussion about the Government’s search for a partner to help with something or other involving light rail in Auckland.

The problem for the Government is, that they want somebody who is (a) competent, (b) honest, and (c) willing to say that light rail is a good approach to Auckland’s transport problems.

In reality, they can have any two of those.
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December 22, 2019 8:40am
Humble Capitalist

Contractors and consultants in government departments up 14% in the year of delivery. My brother-in-law who does IT recruitment in the Capital has just taken the family to California/Hawaii for a 6 week break. Its been a year of delivery for him
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December 22, 2019 8:48am
- Tall Man
  
  Quite a number of industries benefit from the profligate spending of a labour government including ours.
  
  While the extra income is always appreciated I am smart enough to realise that there is always a payback and generally it is the lower income voters that pay it.
  
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  December 22, 2019 11:01am
- KevO'Brien
  
  But not for IRD or WINZ — new systems are showing as shambolic.
  
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  December 22, 2019 12:18pm
Paulus

Happy Hanukah to all our Jewish friends.
May you and your families find peace.
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December 22, 2019 8:56am
John Warren

Exactly one downtick per post. The lefty troll-bot at work this morning?
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December 22, 2019 9:01am
- Biscuit
  
  John, seems he rang round all his friends at his Therapy Group and got them to downtick you too!
  
  My uptick makes it 9 + and 8 – at 12.06pm…
  
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  December 22, 2019 12:06pm
  - John Warren
    
    Looks like they took fright and ran away when you showed up!
    
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    December 22, 2019 5:18pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

World History – As it Really Happened:

Humans existed as members of small bands of nomadic
hunter/gatherers.
They lived on deer in the bush ranges during the summer & would
go to the coast to fish & gather shellfish in winter.

The two most important events in all of history were the invention
of beer and the invention of the wheel. The wheel was invented
to get man to the beer.

These were the foundation of modern civilization & together
were the catalyst for the splitting of humanity into two distinct
subgroups: the Left & the Right.

Once beer was discovered it required grain & that was the
beginning of agriculture.

Neither the glass bottle nor aluminum can were invented yet,
so while our early human ancestors were sitting around waiting
for them to be invented, they just stayed close to the brewery.
That’s how villages were formed.

Some men spent their days hunting animals to B-B-Q
at night while they were drinking beer. This was the beginning
of what is known as “the Right.”

Other men who were weaker & less skilled at hunting learned
to live off the National voters by showing up for the nightly
B-B-Q’s & doing the sewing, fetching & hair dressing.
This was the beginning of the Labour Party.

Some of these socialist men eventually evolved into women.
The rest became known as ‘girliemen.’

Some noteworthy socialist achievements include the domestication
of cats, the invention of group therapy, group hugs & the
concept of Labour/Green voting to decide how to divide the meat
& beer that the Right provided.

Modern socialists like imported beer (with lime added) but
most prefer white wine or imported bottled water. They eat
raw fish but like their beef well done.
Sushi, tofu,& French food are standard leftie fare.

(Another interesting evolutionary side note: most of the left voting
women have higher testosterone levels than their men. Most
social workers, teachers, journalists,race relations experts, group therapists and prositutes are socialists.)

National voters drink domestic beer. They eat red meat and still
provide for their women. The Right are deer stalkers,
farmers, forestry workers, builders, firemen,
medical doctors, police officers, corporate executives,
athletes, strippers, SAS soldiers & generally anyone who
works productively. National voters who own companies hire other right-wingers who want to work for a living.

Socialists produce little or zilch. They like to “govern”
the producers and decide what to do with the production. They creep in after the hard yakka’s done & create a business of trying
to get MORE for nothing.
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December 22, 2019 9:05am
- Stephieboy2
  
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  Steve Otto(North Shore), and Socialists like Democrats drink childrens blood!
  
  BTW a you honouray secretary of NZ’s branch of QAnon?
  
  LOL!
  
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  December 22, 2019 9:20am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Are you accusing Steve Otto of drinking childrens’ blood in this public forum?
    
    Moderators, you must be aware of the anti-semitic connotations behind this blood libel slur.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_libel
    
    Why is stephieboy allowed to make outrageous claims against individuals on this blog?
    
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    December 22, 2019 10:20am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Given your obsessive interest in stephieboy’s rather deranged comments, you should surely we familiar by now with his awkward phrasing. I gather he is accusing Steve Otto of claiming that socialists drink others’ blood. Makes no sense either way.
      
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      December 22, 2019 10:49am
      - Tall Man
        
        As I said recently, you have certainly climbed into the steffy camp.
        
        You’ve probably lost what little credibility you thought you had.
        
        There are times when a comment is probably best left in your head and this was one of them but as I have said before, you just can’t let the opportunity to be a smartarse pass you by.
        
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        December 22, 2019 11:04am
    - Stephieboy2
      
      No I’m not!
      
      Silly season syndrome?
      
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      December 22, 2019 10:56am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Silly season for sure. This blog is full of stupid pricks with no sense of humour!
        
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        December 22, 2019 11:17am
- sooty
  
  Well said Steve. Ain’t that the truth!
  
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  December 22, 2019 9:48am
- Ed Snack
  
  OK except for the bit about domesticating cats. That is incorrect, cats have in fact domesticated us as part of their drive for world domination, that awaits only the evolution of cats with opposable thumbs. Until then they have to make do with their variable and imperfect servants, humans.
  
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  December 22, 2019 11:34am
Stephieboy2

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Another quirkey gift idea for Trump true believers,

“How a conspiracy theory about Democrats drinking children’s blood topped Amazon’s best-sellers list”

The algorithm rewards quick purchases and fervent reviews — not quality content.

The conspiracy theory QAnon — which started on 4chan in the fall of 2017, then bubbled up across Reddit, YouTube, Twitter, and the celebrity sphere — is now topping some of Amazon’s best-sellers lists, NBC News reported Monday
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QAnon followers claim to believe, among other things, that Hillary Clinton is the leader of a Satanic cabal that feeds on the blood of children and profits off sex trafficking, and that special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into the 2016 election is actually a ruse designed to cover up his close friendship and partnership with Donald Trump. The two are supposedly working together to take Clinton down and her various demonic helpers.

The book QAnon: An Invitation to the Great Awakening was supposedly written by 12 anonymous members of the group promoting the theory, and presents their ideas in what one customer review calls “a gentle way for uninformed ‘normies’ to find out what is really going on within the political class that have been ruling over us for decades.”

https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2019/3/6/18253505/amazon-qanon-book-best-seller-algorithm-conspiracy
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December 22, 2019 9:12am
- The King
  
  Remember when Epstein was a “conspiracy theory” against jews?
  
  I do.
  
  The CIA ran a child sex abduction ring called the finders which at the time was a “conspiracy theory” now it is fact as shown by released FBI documents.
  
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  December 22, 2019 12:01pm
Stephieboy2

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The lunacy of the altered reality world of Trump and his followers.

How Trump supporters made attempts to censor sports writer Jack Reilly’s book “Commnder in Cheat”. Other anti-Trump books too.

Jack Reilly gets to the cut about how Trump lies and cheats both on the golf course (especially if its his own ) and off it

“A Donald Trump supporter has tried to crack down on anti-Trump books in a US library by hiding them – but his censorship efforts have failed badly.

The incident at the Idaho library got worldwide attention and boosted sales of exactly the type of books he was trying to hide.

One of the targets was about how President Trump cheats on the golf course, written by one of America’s top sportswriters.

‘Commander in Cheat’ by Rick Reilly is a series of funny and serious anecdotes about the way Trump lies about his score, his handicap, and how many tournaments he’s won – but also his refusal to pay painters, architects and cabinet makers.

The way he behaves in golf is like the way he behaves as the leader of the free world, says Reilly.

The book is peppered with quotes like, “he cheats like a mafia accountant” and “golf is like bicycle shorts, it reveals a lot about a guy”.

“I’ve known the guy for 35 years,’ says Reilly, a former Sports Illustrated columnist.

“He’s always been a big full-of-it fat liar. But it’s been fun copy. If you’re a sports writer you send a limousine to get Donald Trump to an event because he’ll say anything.”
He was a “laugh …we kind of thought he was in on the joke and then he became the most powerful man in the world and we realised ‘oh, he wasn’t joking’”.

Reilly says living in the United States with Trump as president is a nightmare.

“It’s like up is down, black is white, breakfast is dinner here, cats are living with dogs, it’s insane…. Reilly says living in the United States with Trump as president is a nightmare.
“It’s like up is down, black is white, breakfast is dinner here, cats are living with dogs, it’s insane.”

He cites a famous cheating incident with Trump when Trump shot the ball into a pond. He charged ahead up on his “turbo “charged golf cart and the ball miraculously was on the fairway. He seriously declared that the tide brought it in.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/programmes/the-detail/story/2018727472/how-attempted-censorship-by-trump-troops-backfired

HILARIOUS!!
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December 22, 2019 9:16am
- Rich Prick
  
  So many words dedicated to so little. But if it makes you feel better …
  
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  December 22, 2019 11:14am
  - Stephieboy2
    
    Rich Prick , read” Commander in Cheat’ and you might learn something this Christmas!
    
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    December 22, 2019 12:09pm
    - Rich Prick
      
      I have a new boat to play with this Christmas instead. My gift to myself.
      
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      December 22, 2019 12:36pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  HILARIOUS!!
  Yes, when Hillary gets indicted
  
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  December 22, 2019 12:22pm
  - Stephieboy2
    
    Indicted for what ?
    
    Body count tally?
    
    Comet Ping Pong Dungeon?
    
    LOL!
    
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    December 22, 2019 12:55pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      A certain Foundation needs a close looking over.
      
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      December 22, 2019 3:38pm
      - chaos
        
        There’s quite a lot to come out shortly about her, be surprised if she doesn’t just pass over from this world along with bill to save wearing a prison outfit.
        
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        December 22, 2019 8:39pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Fantasy Island.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TPDzd8lJ9Y&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR39mFuWlgEClu_SznoPcpjU5DSTVzEnHUMkRrjwAwdbGoOo_0rnMy0gdAw
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December 22, 2019 9:19am
- Stephieboy2
  
  Thinking of fantasies anything more from Daily World Update?,
  
  https://www.truthorfiction.com/supreme-court-can-extend-trumps-term-by-up-to-3-years-if-hes-acquitted-in-the-senate-facebook-share/
  
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  December 22, 2019 10:52am
  - JibberJabber
    
    The eternally prescient Horace (65–8 BCE) was thinking of you when he created Satire, Stephie.
    
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    December 22, 2019 11:58am
slightlyrighty

That moment when you realise the last 2 US Presidents to be impeached were both impeached for humiliating Hillary Clinton….
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December 22, 2019 9:20am
- Stephieboy2
  
  slightrighty,
  
  ????
  
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  December 22, 2019 10:53am
  - JibberJabber
    
    Hands up all those who are surprised Stephie is confused…
    
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    December 22, 2019 11:54am
  - Rich Prick
    
    I’ll spell it out. Bill for giving Monika one in the Oval Office and Donald for giving Hillary one in the Electoral College.
    
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    December 22, 2019 12:46pm
    - Stephieboy2
      
      Rich Prick , not forgetting Trump giving Stormy Daniels one ?
      
      Aye?
      
      “. giving Hillary one in the Electoral College..”
      
      True but not in the popular vote!
      
      Aye?
      
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      December 22, 2019 1:00pm
      - Rich Prick
        
        It’s Christmas, allow yourself a smile.
        
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        December 22, 2019 3:04pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Are you on a retainer?
        
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        December 22, 2019 3:26pm
      - MrLovebucket
        
        10 million popular fraudulent votes for Shillery and she still couldn’t win.
        
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        December 22, 2019 7:35pm
Sydney Alvarado

Went to usual cafe yesterday to get a takeaway coffee. Price has gone from $4.50 to $4.80. I politely asked the reason. “Minimum wage going up”.

This morning different cafe and coffee has gone from $4.50 to $4.90. Asked why. Same answer.

So I’m thinking I will find a cheaper way to meet my caffeine needs. I just can’t believe that a minimum wage of $20 is not going to have a big impact on low end employment. Expect to see burgers prepared and served by machines. Supermarket checkouts fully automated with a couple of supervisors. Hospitality is more difficult to automate at least for now. So expect higher prices and fewer customers.

Higher restaurant and bar prices will also affect tourism. Tourists will spend less and tell folk back home how expensive New Zealand was. (I have met several international tourists who have told me they loved their holiday except for food and drink prices.)

You are a cousin of Shane Jones on the couch with a mediocre education and employment record. Who is going to give you a go at 20 dollars per hour? Nobody.
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December 22, 2019 9:22am
- Ruawai
  
  My son works in a cafe and his boss said he will either have to lay off staff or raise prices, may have to do both if the higher prices lead to less customers.
  Economics 101 that the Labour government don’t understand.
  
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  December 22, 2019 10:31am
  - Stephieboy2
    
    Ruawai, keep us posted regarding the demiese of the cafe!
    
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    December 22, 2019 12:43pm
- Tall Man
  
  Welllllllll……………… New World had 250g packs of coffee for $3.99 yesterday………………
  
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  December 22, 2019 11:07am
  - chaos
    
    Oh I so love coffee, been so long since I had one ?
    
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    December 22, 2019 2:05pm
    - Tall Man
      
      My wife makes the best coffee. If you want it’ll peel the enamel off your teeth but can also serve it thick and creamy… but it’ll still take the enamel off your teeth.
      
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      December 22, 2019 8:40pm
- BullyHayes
  
  until recently had i businesses in hospitality – but now sold out because of declining net margins.
  
  i think much of the industry for the last two years has been raising menu prices – very plain for the customers to see all over town as you note – to (partially) offset climbing staff and OSH costs particularly.
  
  word on the street is that many owners feel that prices rises have now been largely maxed out and think that their customers wont wear much more.
  
  this next round of minimum ( and lets face it – the whole crew tends to get a pro-rata raise ) wage rise on April 2020 is really going to hurt business owners – many of who dont feel they have the ability to raise menu prices anymore and are facing the prospect of a business that is going to be trading at a nett cashflow loss or close to it.
  
  what option then?
  
  put it on the market and hope that some desperado (prolly from overseas who wants to meet the investment requirements for residency) pays him more than he owes to the bank.
  
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  December 22, 2019 12:06pm
  - DigNap15
    
    So why did business confidence go up
    They are cutting their own necks – at one stage Ardern and Robertson were worried about falling business confidence.
    Now its going up they will go full on next year
    Unions, strikes, wage rises, holidays, sick leave etc etc.
    
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    December 22, 2019 3:37pm
- DigNap15
  
  yes and the higher wages will also affect our incoming tourists – they all say beer and groceries are way too dear.
  And it will affect our exporters.
  Why is a burger flipper in Manukau worth $20 an hour and a factory worker in China who makes say an Iphone worth only $4.00 ?
  I’d say it was the other way round!
  
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  December 22, 2019 12:22pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  If you think tourists are going to balk at the price of coffee, you should know that my brother in law was absolutely gobsmacked at the price of a pack of cigarettes.
  
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  December 22, 2019 12:28pm
  - Michael
    
    mine wondered at the price of food and drink.
    UK is cheaper and more choice apparently.
    both in London.
    
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    December 22, 2019 11:07pm
- chaos
  
  Interesting page
  
  https://www.careers.govt.nz/jobs-database/animal-care-and-conservation/animal-care/veterinary-nurse/about-the-job
  
  What about
  
  https://www.careers.govt.nz/jobs-database/transport-and-logistics/transport-logistics/bus-driver/about-the-job
  
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  December 22, 2019 12:44pm
- MCos
  
  The NZ minimum wage is $17.70/hr until April when it goes up to $18.90.
  Tell the guy to think of a better excuse.
  Besides.
  It’s a free country. Bloke doesn’t have to justify a price increase same as you don’t have to justify taking you business elsewhere.
  
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  December 22, 2019 7:12pm
  - chaos
    
    Never been in business have you because yes you very much do have to justify a price increase to your customers who already are struggling with the rising cost of living right now.
    
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    December 22, 2019 8:37pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Come on Timaru, jump of the horse and look just a few months down the road.
    
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    December 22, 2019 8:42pm
JibberJabber

Fascinating how quick the “caring” woke Left are to pull out the death threats,
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/12/turnardern-leader-says-they-re-getting-death-threats-from-lefties.html

Just imagine how horrific this innocuous prank is to their fragile state of mind, just wait til` Ardern gets the heave ho next November( or earlier) their rioting in the streets will pale in comparison.
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December 22, 2019 9:26am
- Sydney Alvarado
  
  “Michelle Duff, who wrote the book Jacinda Ardern: The Story Behind an Extraordinary Leader, wrote on The Spinoff that the Turn Ardern campaign was a result of a group of men feeling threatened by a powerful woman.”
  _______
  
  Yeah that really is so not the reason.
  
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  December 22, 2019 10:16am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    True, it’s not hatred of women per se, it’s just hatred and petty jealousy of one particular woman.
    
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    December 22, 2019 10:50am
    - JibberJabber
      
      Yeah, yeah, Hatred, cos` incompetence, lying endlessly, hopelessly weak , unwilling/unable to corral rogue ministers and general allround uselessness while turning the countries Public services into a shambolic clusterfuck has nothing to do with it.?
      
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      December 22, 2019 11:51am
      - chaos
        
        But this is the left way, if you don’t like ardern it is because you are a woman hater.
        
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        December 22, 2019 1:35pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Ardern is not powerful. She can barely yabber without a script. She has no claim to original thought as she follows a commie play one.
    She is like a fire hose, her power is controlled by turning the water on. Her spray goes everywhere then but it’s not her own. When Winston turns off the tap again we’ll have a very droopy hose even the UN won’t want.
    ☑️☑️Rout2020☑️☑️
    
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    December 22, 2019 12:31pm
    - Rich Prick
      
      That’s why she prefers hanging out with little kids. They have no idea of who she is, nor how thick she is.
      
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      December 23, 2019 12:01am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Men are never threatened by powerful women, that is a myth. And certainly not by Jacinda. She is so far out of her depth it defies belief. An extraordinary leader? Someone was smoking something when they came up with that byline.
    
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    December 22, 2019 9:02pm
- Tall Man
  
  “Wilson estimates there are now around 200 people doing the turning”
  
  A major underestimation.
  
  Remember the 17% undecided. There is a difference between “undecided” and “won’t say”.
  
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  December 22, 2019 11:10am
- Rich Prick
  
  That’s a marvellous public service.
  
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  December 22, 2019 11:19am
- Stephieboy2
  
  Do you think Colin Wilson is an Organge MAGA man?
  
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  December 22, 2019 12:47pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Who cares if he is stephie. Last time I looked, we were allowed to hold whatever political beliefs we wanted, not what you demand.
    
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    December 22, 2019 4:45pm
Maggie Pie

GOD – hard to believe Christmas is only 3 days away!
I’ve had my eye on an abfab ‘LV TWIST MM’ Bag, ….. I’ve certainly dropped enough hints to my partner that if it isn’t under the Tree, it could be a crappy day all round [for everyone].
Although had to larf to myself yesterday. I’d headed out early to stock up on a few ‘essentials’ to take up to Tindalls on Boxing Day. Bought the last 7 boxes of assorted KrispyKremes from BP in GI which we can keep in the freezer. As i was driving back home around the waterfront, Jack Tame was on ZB talking about the beauty of giving what he termed “useful and practical Xmas presents – rather than just buying people “things”.
He was saying last year the most memorable prezzy a friend gave him was …..”A gift voucher to the Colonic Irrigation Clinic” 🙁
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December 22, 2019 9:39am
- chaos
  
  Well when you are that full of shit it is a perfect present
  
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  December 22, 2019 10:03am
- Sacha
  
  People are still doing that? I thought it was a ’60’s thing, long dead.
  
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  December 22, 2019 11:44am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    HEY – Don’t knock it till you try it Sach! 😛
    
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    December 22, 2019 12:17pm
    - Tall Man
      
      But are you a giver or a getter Maggie 🙂
      
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      December 22, 2019 2:47pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Me? I prefer to be on the outside looking in. LOL!!
        
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        December 22, 2019 3:34pm
- Biscuit
  
  Wtf would Jack need Colonic Irrigation for?
  
  His excrement tends to be expelled via the other extremity of his alimentary canal…
  
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  December 22, 2019 11:56am
JibberJabber

Labour needs more of this eloquence to reclaim the Government benches, take note Britain, Australia and NZ, the voice of the people…
https://twitter.com/TitaniaMcGrath/status/1206328379152195584
Maybe some ~~teeth~~ tooth whitening might help also…
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December 22, 2019 9:40am
Old White Loser

Being drunk is now the in defense!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/118294717/no-conviction-for-man-who-exposed-womans-breasts-on-hamiltons-main-street
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December 22, 2019 9:53am
- kevn
  
  @OWL… Female judge even.
  
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  December 22, 2019 10:08am
  - Tall Man
    
    Under orders from above.
    
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    December 22, 2019 11:17am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yep,
  females in NZ will just have to put out and shut up when drunken, gropey males come for our titties.
  
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  December 22, 2019 12:02pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Well it’s your fault for having them isn’t it? 😉
    
    Ask martin, he thinks women on the street are just begging for it. Probably explains why he’s a labour person of non specific gender and race.
    
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    December 22, 2019 2:19pm
Stephieboy2

“From Christianity Today “

( founded by Billy Graham )

“Trump Should Be Removed from Office”

“It’s time to say what we said 20 years ago when a president’s character was revealed for what it was….”

Says it all from a totally amoral President who cheats and lies on the green and off the green!
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December 22, 2019 11:02am
- Stephieboy2
  
  Link,
  
  https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2019/december-web-only/trump-should-be-removed-from-office.html
  
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  December 22, 2019 12:37pm
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    And Grahams son says Christianity today is absurd:
    
    https://www.newsweek.com/billy-grahams-son-says-its-unfathomable-christianity-today-would-side-democrats-totally-1478463
    
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    December 22, 2019 9:06pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Trumpy’s tweet in response was a classic….
  
  “Last time I read ET”
  
  [Needless to say CNN were all over it.]
  
  😀
  
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  December 22, 2019 1:24pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Guess who Billy Graham voted for:–
  https://www.wnd.com/2019/12/franklin-graham-dad-voted-trump/
  
  Would you vote for a bunch of wild life baby murders?
  
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  December 22, 2019 3:34pm
MrTips

So I goes to the local computer place and ask the millennial assistant for a musical computer. “What’s a musical computer?” she asks.
“Why, Adell of course” says I.

Bless her, she sniggered as only millennials can.
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December 22, 2019 11:44am
JibberJabber

Remember when,
https://twitter.com/Light42Lime/status/1208494769334177792/photo/1

No? Neither did I cos`, for normal people life just goes on, normal people don`t need outrage to fuel their existence.
The difference is, the Left love this shit, it gives them a reason(not like they need one) to vent their perpetual outrage that other peoples lives aren`t as sad as theirs.
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December 22, 2019 11:44am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Some more fun. The Trumps of Hazzard. If you leftie shitheads have no humour, don’t fucking watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ResKhyBjJQ4&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR1Mtj7HCIUqYR2Fk0Nb–Qwib5eBU2vHS8yN2pS7jRkFZW5L4BBAcSgBJY
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December 22, 2019 11:54am
- Stephieboy2
  
  Steve Otto(North Shore), you should talk given your recent debacle unbale to sort fact from fiction!
  
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  December 22, 2019 12:12pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Go fuck yourself jerk. I knew it was satire. You and Mike missed that – both being jerks with no humour
    
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    December 22, 2019 2:14pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Suffer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=i05gKtHWjGY&fbclid=IwAR07m2paUH8rwog49oiHsEzTUrhlcOmMadoClDlY72pAZ_mGReDyDPEx9QE&app=desktop
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December 22, 2019 12:00pm
- JibberJabber
  
  What a time to be alive! ?
  
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  December 22, 2019 12:07pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I’m guessing you did see who the pianist is?
    
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    December 22, 2019 2:15pm
Biscuit

Being the level-headed supporter of the world’s greatest football team that I am, I shall not boast too much that that greatest football team of all time presently holds each of the following trophies:

FIFA World Clubs Cup
UEFA Champions League Cup
UEFA Super Cup

Innit life grand?
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December 22, 2019 12:01pm
- JibberJabber
  
  Scunthorpe Rovers?
  
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  December 22, 2019 2:13pm
- Pharmachick
  
  +1 from Stevie G’s cousin. Also a fair and balanced football fan ?
  
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  December 22, 2019 2:32pm
- Tall Man
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hvZQHt9_K0
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB3nXpPCEfg
  
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  December 22, 2019 2:42pm
- calendar girl
  
  …. as well as being present holders of the English Premier League title. Not a bad haul.
  
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  December 22, 2019 8:10pm
JibberJabber

Aussie water tankers working hard out again today,
https://www.flightradar24.com/BMBR911/23454fc1
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December 22, 2019 12:16pm
kris

Road nazis at it again, this time closing passing lanes on roads which will be at their busiest in the coming days:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12296034
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December 22, 2019 12:27pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Apparently passing lanes don’t work when traffic is really heavy as the flow comes to a standstill when it tries to get back to a single lane at the end of the passing lane.
  Solution: make all busy main highways into four-lanes with grade-separated intersections.
  Oh, wait ………………………….
  
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  December 22, 2019 12:46pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    COL of arseholes put road improvement on hold. Guess what? It was all in National held Electorates
    
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    December 22, 2019 2:22pm
- Sydney Alvarado
  
  When the traffic is as busy as it will be in the next few days passing lanes make things much worse. People overtake at the passing lane but it is futile. Passing lanes work if you need to overtake a slow vehicle. But if you just encounter another 5,000 vehicles at the same speed it makes everything worse because you need to merge at the end of the passing lane.
  
  Of course SH1 should be 4 lanes from Christchurch to Whangarei. But as a country we seem to have other priorities.
  
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  December 22, 2019 3:04pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Other priorities like working groups and climate change summits
    
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    December 22, 2019 3:49pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    What’s wrong with Invercargill to Kerikeri?
    
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    December 22, 2019 5:20pm
    - MCos
      
      Kerikeri is nowhere near SH1
      
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      December 22, 2019 10:11pm
  - MCos
    
    It’s not necessary. Catch a plane.
    
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    December 22, 2019 7:24pm
info@cruzpro.com

If you think tourists are going to balk at the price of coffee, you should know that my brother in law, visiting from the USA, was absolutely gobsmacked at the price of a pack of cigarettes.
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December 22, 2019 12:34pm
MCos

I think President Trump’s mind must have been distracted when he said this at a recent rally.

“Dishwashers, we did the dishwasher, right. You press it—remember the dishwasher, you press it, boom, they’d be like an explosion.Five minutes later, you open it up, the steam pours out the dishes. Now, you press it 12 times. Women tell me again, you know, they give you four drops of water. And they’re in places where there’s so much water they don’t know what to do with it. So we just came out with a rag on dishwashers, we’re going back to you. By the way, by the time they press it 10 times, you spend more on water and electric.”
https://www.comicsands.com/trump-15-flush-toilets-dishwashers-2641659346.html
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December 22, 2019 12:34pm
- fernglas
  
  This is what is known as “riffing”. It’s the political equivalent of a drum solo.
  
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  December 22, 2019 1:12pm
- chaos
  
  12 minutes. Much quicker than the well over an hour now I guess
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1brC3KrU0vc
  
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  December 22, 2019 1:12pm
- Tall Man
  
  So he’s complaining about restrictive use of water in some areas and wants to relax the “standards”.
  
  Actually seems sensible to me but then I’m not befuddled about Trump.
  
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  December 22, 2019 2:27pm
- Inandout
  
  Will take a lot to beat ‘what day is it’ Joe Biden.
  
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  December 22, 2019 2:58pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Wait until he gets going on shower head flow restrictors and fucking light bulbs!
  
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  December 22, 2019 3:53pm
Stephieboy2

Another title caught my eye at Unity Books ,recently,
“Exterminate All the Brutes”

One Man’s Odyssey into the Heart of Darkness and the Origins of European Genocide

Sven Lindqvist

The brilliant and unsettling intellectual history of Europe’s genocidal colonization of Africa

“A book of stunning range and near genius. . . . The catastrophic consequences of European imperialism are made palpable in the personal progress of the author, a late-twentieth-century pilgrim in Africa. Lindqvist’s astonishing connections across time and cultures, combined with a marvelous economy of prose, leave the reader appalled, reflective, and grateful.” —David Levering Lewis

https://thenewpress.com/books/exterminate-all-brutes
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December 22, 2019 12:53pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Speaking of Unity Books, this caught my eye:
  
  A significant part of Wellington’s literary set have a poisonous consensus against views they do not favour. In effect they define their tribe by what it agrees to hate. What they hate is drearily predictable, including road improvements (particularly fly-overs), Israel, and any challengers to their clerical view of what is ‘appropriate’ and ‘inappropriate’.Thomas Sowell refers to this class as the anointed. Their world is divided into the righteous and the unrighteous.
  
  Our Prime MInister is among the un-righteous, obviously. Making a fortune is irredeemable, especially out of investment banking, then being overwhelmingly popular with voters who have to attract voluntary customers for a living.
  
  Accordingly Unity book-shop has attempted to minimise its sales of John Roughan’s biography of John Key. Since it was published it has been on the floor behind other stands whenever I or a friend has checked. Much of the time it was face down.
  
  I tackled a person who appeared to be an owner or manager. He said it was his staff who put it there, and he couldn’t stop them from doing it. Each time he tried to turn it face side up or give it more prominence they would return it to where people would have to ask for it expressly.
  
  https://www.stephenfranks.co.nz/a-wellington-bookshop-for-book-burners/
  
  Somehow I doubt Unity Books staff would do the same for Nicky Hager’s various works of fiction…
  
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  December 22, 2019 4:48pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Don’t you have to be a card-carrying commo to get a job at Unity Books?
    
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    December 22, 2019 5:22pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Shit happens Stephie. To bad huh?
  
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  December 22, 2019 9:16pm
Rodney Randall

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cv5vhF77f_I

Senator Mitch McConnell delivers a statement on the House vote to impeach President Trump.
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December 22, 2019 1:42pm
Nickc2

Australia is preparing to sign an international road safety declaration in Sweden that endorses a 30km/h limit on suburban roads in response to “traffic injuries, air quality and climate change”.
Australian Nationals leader Michael McCormack is scheduled to attend the Global Ministerial Conference on Road Safety on February 19, where he will join other transport and infrastructure ministers in ratifying the Stockholm Declaration, which will be referred to the UN.

Ok, are we sending anybody? Are we intending to sign up to this garbage? If so, why don’t we know about it?
Oh yea, that’s right it has been hinted at. JAG has sanctioned closing off ‘Passing Lanes’ for the holiday period FFS.
The UN controlling signatory countries road speed limits. Gimme a break. What next, will the UN seek signatures to control food prices world wide?
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December 22, 2019 2:10pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Fuck me. Why doesn’t NZ join the European Union if we want to be controlled?
  Wait – forget I said that, these crazy bastards in power now just might go for it
  
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  December 22, 2019 3:56pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Steve we have a couple of passing lanes North and south of here and in fact the site of the Levin accident has a passing lane heading South.
    
    Not all are closed but they are traffic stops open or closed.
    
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    December 22, 2019 6:28pm
- chaos
  
  * Mr McCormack on Saturday said a global push to reduce speed limits to 30km/h would not work in Australia.
  
  He said most residential speed limits were between 50-60km/h and that modern cars were now equipped with safety features, including radar equipment, GPS and autonomous braking.
  
  “We don’t want to get into a nanny state situation where we are crawling around in cars at 30km/h when 50km/h is probably a more appropriate speed limit,” Mr McCormack said.*
  
  https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/green-road-pact-on-30kmh-limits/news-story/6ae8f98c3e0963e62da2efc2449ceedb
  
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  December 22, 2019 5:03pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Many of the residential roads in Oz are also 4 lanes so 30 kph would just be bloody stupid…… they can also be very long… very very long.
    
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    December 22, 2019 6:25pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://babylonbee.com/news/by-popular-demand-abc-begins-airing-the-view-in-hd-silence?fbclid=IwAR0yUxjBwW503MXmUHQVaYkb6V6t64CyT2c5hUfNUAuKR90XS5hEPIYcU48
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December 22, 2019 2:38pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Warning – stupidboy and Mike, this is satire
  
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  December 22, 2019 2:59pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Don’t do that, it’s more fun when they bite.
    
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    December 22, 2019 3:24pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Sure is!
      
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      December 22, 2019 3:57pm
Sydney Alvarado

And the Government has cancelled the road that would put a stop to these deaths and injuries.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/118399032/state-highway-1-closed-after-serious-crash-near–taki
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December 22, 2019 2:56pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That ‘trailer’ would be a semi trailer, and the truck is more commonly known as a tractor unit.
  So the truck (tractor) has ended up cab first in the cemetery? No shit. That is the front bit, unless the semi was going backwards.
  Who are the immature journalists writing this shit?
  
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  December 22, 2019 4:05pm
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    And the cemetery is a maori cemetery just down the road from the marae so expect repercussions down the road.
    
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    December 22, 2019 6:22pm
    - chaos
      
      Ngai Tahu Own half of Hilton haulage.
      
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      December 22, 2019 8:34pm
- Inandout
  
  Gender wants all vehicles off the roads so don’t expect miracles.
  
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  December 22, 2019 5:41pm
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    “Gender”? Subconscious thought making it’s way to the top 🙂
    
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    December 22, 2019 6:20pm
Prince

For those worried about the rather immature ‘Turnadern’ movement, here’s a reminder of how the left react to a leader they don’t like.
https://www.nbr.co.nz/opinion/nz-politics-daily-increasing-hatred-john-key
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December 22, 2019 4:09pm
- Tall Man
  
  I don’t see it as immature.
  
  It’s probably born of the sense of frustration that many have with the current situation. We don’t have a media holding her to account in fact the complete opposite.
  
  It’s like my calling ardern a liar. She is and the media ignore it and even this blog censors my comments from time to time (frequently) so frustration is a common feeling I believe and if this action relieves it for him then go for it.
  
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  December 22, 2019 6:18pm
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    That is the problem he is not held to the same standards previous prime ministers are, heck even Clark was held to a higher standard than this Pathological Liar
    
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    December 22, 2019 8:31pm
Tall Man

“The mooring costs $250 a week, which Hammond says is the same price she paid renting one room in a six-bedroom flat.”

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2019/12/auckland-nurse-beats-property-market-by-building-houseboat.html

Great idea but the mooring fee seems a bit greedy.
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December 22, 2019 6:13pm
- JamesP
  
  Seems like a loser to me. She spent at least $400K on construction and $25o a week is equivalent to around a $200K mortgage. Maintenance costs are going to be bigger because you’re sitting in salt water.
  
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  December 22, 2019 8:47pm

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