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Rodney Randall

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/118352890/refugees-overstay-in-new-zealand-could-fuel-aussie-tensions

You want asylum? Go through a legal point of entry like everybody else.

This is an illegal queue jumper who paid boat smugglers not once but twice. He now appears to be hiding out in Chch aided by Rachel King of the Word Festival, Golriz Gharhaman and Inz.

MOST CORRUPT GOVT EVER.
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December 20, 2019 8:03am
- igm
  
  Suppose Ardern has given him her personal contact details . . . she loves these muslim losers and must be tossed out of office “Big Time” next year . . . she and her sycophant followers are a disgrace to this once decent country.
  
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  December 20, 2019 8:11am
- Swifty
  
  He has reached a safe harbour in PNG, free from the supposed imminent death he ‘escaped’ from.
  
  One might have thought him now relieved and grateful.
  
  But no. According to him he has landed in a new fresh hell and must ‘escape’ there too.
  
  Horseshit, now he’s just country shopping for a life in the west as an economic migrant.
  
  I notice too that he is a man who cannot be trusted to keep his word. Isn’t a condition of his visitor’s visa that he agrees to depart our shores on or before his visa expiration date?
  
  He’s planned this from the get go – aided and abetted by our local Green useful idiots.
  
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  December 20, 2019 8:22am
  - Rich Prick
    
    According to their indoctrination, they are supreme beings, so naturally they are “entitled”. The entitlement only becomes an issue when they end up in an environment where others have the means to deliver their entitlements. It doesn’t work in downtown Kabul, hence the enthusiasm when they get to the first world.
    
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    December 20, 2019 9:19am
  - Nickc2
    
    We were informed of his intention before he even landed on our shores. Why was he granted a visa?
    Oh, that right, we owe it all to our corrupt ILG immigration department. Will ILG be held responsible? Na, it’s christmas FFS. If the Greens are supporting him, they are aiding and abbetting a criminal act. Why have the NZ Police not taken them in for questioning? Oh, thats right, who has the Police in the palm of her/his hand? You guessed it!
    Corruption free NZ ….. Yea right!
    
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    December 20, 2019 11:57am
- buzzler
  
  Lushington D Brady wrote about him a month ago warning that he would do this. Fool on us for letting him in.
  
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  December 20, 2019 8:31am
  - Swifty
    
    He was never going to return. And I suspect his NZ supporters knew this all along. The proof will be in their reaction from now on. If they urge him to return, I’ll believe they were duped – if they support his asylum claim to me that proves they were in on it.
    
    Either way, we’ve been suckered and the CoL and Greens once again get to parade their virtue at our expense. What expense? From this point on all his expenses; accommodation, health, pocket money, food, clothing etc will be met by us. You just watch.
    
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    December 20, 2019 9:21am
  - Lizziep
    
    Definitely NOT US, just the green woke sycophants.
    Most New Zealanders want him gone like he should have. What the hell is wrong with GG supporting him. This is the worst government ever. Thanks Wine stone how to f**k the country over in a massive way you little man.
    
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    December 20, 2019 9:22am
    - igm
      
      While we are looking at this POS, what about the fat German.
      Has he been sent packing or is he now funding Peters and Labour for a freedom ticket?
      
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      December 20, 2019 1:06pm
  - Swifty
    
    And now we’ll have to suffer that awful Gharaman strutting around as if she’s just rescued Anne Frank from the Nazis.
    
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    December 20, 2019 9:26am
    - Greg Ettridge
      
      What she is doing is screwing over easy access for ordinary hard working kiwis to Aussie.
      If there is just a sniff of Australia being backdoored, there will be blow back.
      It will be swift, they have fought hard to sort this 50,000 illegal Labor clusterfuck, they are not going to be backdoored by anyone.
      
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      December 20, 2019 12:54pm
  - Lizziep
    
    Not me I didn’t let him in and had I been asked I would have said not ever. Pathetic excuse for a government. The whole bloody lot of them.
    
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    December 22, 2019 7:11am
- Yvette
  
  The situation also has raised questions about how Boochani managed to enter the country without Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern being told that he was coming.
  
  Is it not Lees-Galloway, who doesn’t read reports that he should, the one now perhaps remiss in not informing Ardern under “no surprises” policy, or, because of Winston’s aversion to that particular policy, is it no longer followed?
  
  And if Behrouz Boochani wanted to apply for asylum, why did he not apply before his visa ran out.
  Now he is here unlawfully, no?
  
  The statement [from Ardern’s office to the AP] said the prime minister doesn’t believe that Boochani remaining in the country will cause any problems for New Zealand’s close relationship with Australia. Her office referred further questions to immigration officials.
  
  “… doesn’t believe it will cause any problems” – the man is apparently now an overstayer, so has already simply fucked up.
  
  But that is par for the course it seems :
  Ardern … would have liked a heads-up… Immigration Minister Iain Lees-Galloway, in turn, blamed immigration officials, saying they initially told him that Boochani had applied for a visa but then neglected to tell him they’d approved it.
  
  Boochani could not be immediately reached for this story. When he was interviewed by the AP last month, he said he had no interest in returning to Papua New Guinea but wouldn’t be drawn on whether he would seek asylum in New Zealand.
  “I’m really focused on my work here right now. I don’t want to think about those things, or ruin my concentration. I don’t want to politicise things,” Boochani said at the time. “I’m a free man. I want to focus on this festival.”
  
  I don’t want to politicise things …
  
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  December 20, 2019 9:05am
  - calendar girl
    
    Another fiasco underway due to incompetence on the part of Jacinda Ardern and her team.
    
    If this individual is permitted to remain freely in New Zealand, no doubt adopting NZ citizenship along the way, Ms Ardern (and other New Zealanders who support her actions) can have no complaint if Australia brings to an abrupt end the free flow of people between our two countries.
    
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    December 20, 2019 9:46am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Labour; fucking things up since 1916
      
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      December 20, 2019 10:40am
    - Tall Man
      
      ardern couldn’t give a fat rat’s arse about free entry into Australia or anywhere else.
      
      She has no trouble so why on earth would she care about you and I?
      
      In the future she’ll be on a UN passport so again will have no problems.
      
      My guess is that the greens planned this from the start. Is it not an offense to conspire to break the law. Is it not an offense for an mp to attempt to break the law?
      
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      December 20, 2019 11:38am
    - Yvette
      
      Lomai, the Papua New Guinea lawyer, said … the Papua New Guinea government likely figured it would save money and prevent more bad publicity if it allowed Boochani to leave. Lomai said Boochani would be put back in detention if he ever returned.
      
      Ardern would have liked a heads-up. Immigration Minister Iain Lees-Galloway, in turn, blamed immigration officials, saying they initially told him that Boochani had applied for a visa but then neglected to tell him they’d approved it.
      
      From these two statements “Boochani would be put back in detention if he ever returned” and “ Iain Lees-Galloway said they initially told him that Boochani had applied for a visa … ”, why was this man’s status not resolved when he applied for a visitor’s visa, but would be detained on return to Papua New Guinea.
      
      Does overstaying, an illegal act, ensure Papua New Guinea will detain him on return, so he can now claim asylum here now.
      
      Apparently Golriz Ghahraman involves herself in this man’s visit, which in turn does seem a little like Golriz Ghahraman’s family situation where they were free agents, apparently, until the moment in Auckland when they claimed asylum, and so foresaw persecution then back in Iran (as a result of their claim and its reasons), so gave them grounds to apply for refugee status, which a moment before they did not have?
      
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      December 20, 2019 11:46am
- KH
  
  Boochani’s story is just propaganda. Reality is he was saved by the Australians who have spent vast amounts keeping him and others alive.
  At all times he has had the chance to leave and go anywhere. He would have been given a ticket.
  “imprisoned” is a lie, when he can get a ticket and fly places – unfortunately this time to NZ.
  
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  December 20, 2019 9:21am
  - KH
    
    If Golriz ‘Golly’ has aided Boochani’s illegal overstay surely that is an offence.
    If so, she should be charged.
    
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    December 20, 2019 10:19am
    - Nickc2
      
      I sincerely hope National are taking notice of the Boochani incident in order to add it to the list of other F_ups that can be thrown back at ILG and Cindy leading up to the next election.
      
      With ILG stating he was advised by Immigration that this person was about to enter the country, one would have thought ILG’s initial response would have been “don’t issue the bastard with a visa under any circumstances”. Did that happen? Of course not.
      He should be replaced immediately for incompetence and Cindy should cut her holiday short and initiate the action. That won’t happen thought, she is going to Australia for a holiday where she will be “less conspicuous” according to the Cindy gushing MSM. What’s the bet there are photo shoots and TV appearances already booked for her stay in Australia?
      
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      December 21, 2019 1:24pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  He will probably still be in NZ in 5 years time.
  
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  December 20, 2019 9:38am
Scott

Michael Anton shows the weakness of the impeachment of Pres Trump –

“Trump, despite initial misgivings, approved—well over two years ago—“lethal aid” (specifically, Javelin anti-tank missiles) to Ukraine, the very aid that the Obama administration refused to provide Ukraine for nearly three years.
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This year, delivery of the most recent tranche of aid was delayed by about nine weeks.
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During that period, Trump telephoned the President of Ukraine and asked him 1) to assist the U.S. Justice Department in investigating foreign interference in the 2016 election, some of which may have originated in Ukraine; and 2) to look into whether Joe Biden’s boast that he successfully pressured Ukraine to fire a prosecutor investigating the gas company from which his son Hunter received an inexplicable windfall is an accurate statement of what happened.

That’s it. Those are the only established, undisputed facts in evidence.”
https://amgreatness.com/2019/11/24/the-bribery-bait-and-switch/

I would add the underlying problem is the democrats and the media have never accepted the result of the 2016 election! They hate Pres Trump, they hate his policies and they do not accept the will of the Americans who voted him into office.

How is democracy possible when one side won’t accept the result of the election unless they win?
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December 20, 2019 8:04am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Even Scott agrees that Trump:
  1. asked the Ukrainian president to pursue a nonsensical conspiracy theory about the 2016 election
  2. wanted the Ukrainians to announce an investigation of a political rival.
  
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  December 20, 2019 8:12am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    So? I Bet he wants every country in the world to announce investigations of political rivals. I bet the Democrats want every country in the world to announce investigations into Trump.
    Quid Pro Quo relating solely to your two points is all that matters. It doesn’t exist.
    
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    December 20, 2019 9:30am
  - Scott
    
    Sorry Mikey – Scott agrees that Trump:
    1. Asked the Ukrainian Pres to investigate corruption involving Ukraine with regard to the 2016 election. Pres Trump was well within his rights to do so.
    2. Wanted the Ukrainians to investigate a political rival who was on video bragging about having a Ukrainian prosecutor fired and unless that prosecutor was fired they would not receive aid from the United States. So VP Biden is on record asking for a quid pro quo.
    
    That should be investigated!
    
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    December 20, 2019 9:43am
    - Batman
      
      Wrong on both counts but thanks for trying!
      
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      December 20, 2019 10:21am
      - All_on_Red
        
        No
        He’s correct on both counts
        The idea that someone who has been involved with a corrupt company (Burisma) can’t be investigated because they are running for political office is just moronic and dumb.
        You also keep ignoring the anti corruption Agreement between the two countries.
        
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        December 20, 2019 10:45am
      - Michael
        
        Batman.
        Logic.
        Someone is acting illegally or corrupt.
        They must be investigated.
        where are your brains?
        The rule of Law must be protected.
        
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        December 20, 2019 3:07pm
  - Explod
    
    According to the transcripts he asked Ukraine to assist with the US investigation into suspected corruption. As well as interference in the 2016 Election. “Evidence” given during the Impeachment Investigation showed PDT wanted reassurance that the new regime in the Ukraine was not as corrupt as the previous one. All of which is his privilege as President.
    
    That’s why the 1st Article is an absolute joke.
    
    The 2nd Article is even worse, you cannot “Obstruct Congress” by seeking your Constitutional right to seek ruling from the Courts about the legitimacy of subpoenas issued by that same Congress. The Dems just didn’t want to wait for the Courts to issue a ruling. Otherwise it would mean that Congress would effectively outrank or overpower the Office of the President. It’s called “the Separation of Powers.
    
    As I understand neither Article is an actual offence let alone a high crime or misdemeanour.
    
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    December 20, 2019 10:36am
  - herb1
    
    So by your I’ll thought twisted logic a US President could not ask for an investigation on illegal or unethical behaviour by any politician , as it would be an impeachable offence
    
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    December 20, 2019 10:42am
- G152
  
  Just wait and watch.
  At some stage the democrats will get a President elected.
  The method to turn him into a figurehead is in place.
  A few fake documents, a whistle blower and a compliant media and its history
  
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  December 20, 2019 8:20am
  - Michael
    
    G152
    problem is the compliant media (read biased or unprofessional).
    
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    December 20, 2019 3:11pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  The joke is, if you look back at one of the debates between Trump and Clinton.
  The moderator asked Trump, ….Will YOU accept the result of the election?
  It is they, who have NEVER accepted the result.
  
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  December 20, 2019 8:20am
  - Rich Prick
    
    I must admit to watching re-runs of that … and the meltdown and riots. The Democrats have never accepted the result. The Articles of Impeachment should have read:
    
    1. We didn’t win 2016.
    2. We can’t win 2020.
    
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    December 20, 2019 9:29am
- MCos
  
  With regard to your last sentence.
  Thank God we live in a country where everybody accepts the outcome of our latest general election.
  
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  December 20, 2019 8:24am
- dave_c_
  
  Democracy no longer exists – it’s all an illusion (conspiracy) to appease the masses into thinking they have an important role to play during elections.
  The Democrats are the same beast as those in UK, who cannot accept the peoples Brexit referendum outcome.
  
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  December 20, 2019 8:28am
  - The King
    
    Ever wonder why you keep hearing the word ‘tolerance’? because tolerance and apathy are the last to virtues of a dying nation.
    
    Democracy is a permanent state of tyranny run by corrupt oligarchs and media bosses. If you don’t approve of its politics you will be looking down the barrel of a gun from roaming Raptor strike teams armed to the teeth in hitvans. Coming soon to a town near you.
    
    If you don’t live in a democracy country there’s a very good chance you will get bombed into democracy.
    
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    December 20, 2019 9:22am
- ross411
  
  We are cursed with politicians, both here and abroad, who lack the skill to effect real change. It is easy to do the harmful posturing, than it is to do the harder real governance.
  
  And so we find ourselves seeing “election loss revenge” impeachments. Dead languages like Maori being foisted on our schools. And portions of new technology lke 5G being tithed to those with the royal blood.
  
  Sedition. Wasting the limited willpower and watering down the potential of our youth. And a new racism establishing a privileged class of Maori at the expense of New Zealanders as a whole.
  
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  December 20, 2019 8:28am
- Fletch
  
  And now there’s an idea floating around that the Dems won’t send the articles of impeachment to the Senate unless they get their way and have the witnesses they want. Really? Any witnesses you wanted should have been called for the House hearings. It’s too late for that now. The Dems (as they did in the House) want complete control over all proceedings. They want things their way.
  
  https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/after-trump-impeachment-vote-house-nancy-pelosi-democrats-have-one-ncna1104691
  
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  December 20, 2019 9:33am
  - Ian Hawthorn
    
    Stop the presses. Donald Trump is NOT IMPEACHED. Impeachment is like putting a charge before a court – the court in this case being the senate. If you don’t send the charge to the court it didn’t happen.
    
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    December 21, 2019 2:19pm
mikenmildagain

It is Saint Ursicinus’s Day. His magic powers may be invoked against a stiff neck, so today would be a perfect time to do something about that pain in the neck that has been bothering you.

[Mod – don’t give us ideas mikenmild!]
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December 20, 2019 8:05am
- skyblue
  
  I find having a dump does the same thing. Giving birth to Mohammed is a blessing.
  
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  December 20, 2019 8:20am
- krazykiwi
  
  The uptick is for the Mods.
  
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  December 20, 2019 8:28am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Mod, sometimes that pain is not there, but sometimes it is there all bloody day
  
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  December 20, 2019 8:31am
JibberJabber

Clinton Kildepstein

Epstein didn`t kill himself

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2019/12/video-footage-outside-of-jeffrey-epstein-s-cell-has-gone-missing-prosecutor.html
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December 20, 2019 8:05am
- dave_c_
  
  I reckon he was assisted to escape – Why is it that his girlfriend also can no longer be located – No doubt they are living the life of Riley someplace.
  
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  December 20, 2019 9:00am
  - Stephieboy2
    
    ” someplace” ???
    
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    December 20, 2019 10:11am
- Stephieboy2
  
  Jibberjabber ,
  
  Medical examiner rules Epstein death a suicide by hanging
  
  ,,https://apnews.com/a947e0d85d31496eb5bd9ff4994c9718
  
  Doesn’t take a lot of brainpower to figure
  
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  December 20, 2019 10:13am
  - Rich Prick
    
    I kind of like it when you demonstrate your penultimate sentence.
    
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    December 20, 2019 10:56am
  - JibberJabber
    
    I fucking love how humour goes right over the head of you woke munters. ?
    
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    December 20, 2019 11:25am
- Ed Snack
  
  Note: This footage was from the cameras outside the cell where Epstein was held along with a second inmate (a 4 x time murderer) and was said to have made a first but unsuccessful attempt at suicide. Epstein himself said he didn’t try to kill himself but was assaulted.
  
  This is NOT footage from outside his cell when he did die.
  
  I’m not sure, but I think those cameras (from when he did die) were turned off, so no footage is missing because none was taken.
  
  Whatever one thinks of what happened (and Bill Barr has endorsed the “suicide” verdict), it does LOOK suspicious.
  
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  December 20, 2019 3:58pm
mikenmildagain

Someone was having fun at work. A department of agriculture website had Wakanda listed as having a free trade agreement with the US:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/usda-tariff-tracker-removes-wakanda-fictional-home-black-panther-free-n1104231
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December 20, 2019 8:10am
brett68

Looks like Slater has decided to start writing again.
Guess he must have recovered from his stroke.

https://thebfd.co.nz/author/xavier-theodore-reginald-ordinary/
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December 20, 2019 8:16am
- igm
  
  Very poor taste, a stroke such as Cameron Slaters one never recovers from, he will be having a terrible time and these types of comments are bloody sick and ill-informed.
  
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  December 20, 2019 9:57am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Yes, because Slater was renowned for his sensitivity towards others.
    
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    December 20, 2019 10:38am
    - Sacha
      
      There’s no need to descend to their level – unless of course one wishes to be like them –
      
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      December 20, 2019 12:12pm
  - hookerphil
    
    Can still target shoot his gun with great skill and appears to still be able to write under his pen name S.B. quite well.
    
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    December 20, 2019 11:05am
Paulus Gnome

Charlie Brown explains what is wrong with liberal Nil Zilland

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0f10e0f12ef0bf0402e5630668243b7bd08a4530a4897d67acafef65f85fd7d3.jpg?w=600&h=300
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December 20, 2019 8:21am
Maggie Pie

My partner attended a Xmas Function last night at his Bank. I don’t get to go to many of those with him, as he always reckons WAGs aren’t invited. [Although i think its more a case he just doesnt want to take me in case i say or do something that might embarrass him. AS IF!] Anyway, a little tit-bit of info he told me this morning i thort was worth sharing with the group…..he was saying ‘someone in the know’ was telling him that Jacinda, Clarke & bubs, have been invited to spend a week at JK’s place on Maui during their holiday break.
Hmmmmm.
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December 20, 2019 8:27am
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… A version of an urban myth.
  I can’t see Key having any synergy with either of them. Polar opposites.
  
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  December 20, 2019 8:58am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Hear what your saying kev, but you could say the same thing about JK & H1. They’re now luved up buddies over moving the Port. Strange bedfellows indeed.
    
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    December 20, 2019 9:15am
  - sooty
    
    Not for a week.
    
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    December 20, 2019 10:48am
- MH
  
  I can see John Kirwan getting more depressed.
  
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  December 20, 2019 11:47am
  - Tall Man
    
    And even worse, he can’t remember inviting them.
    
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    December 20, 2019 2:51pm
  - Hard Cheese
    
    Oops sorry, was supposed to be an uptick – hand shaking whilst laughing
    
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    December 20, 2019 4:19pm
Yvette

Winston – “It’s my job to know” and how helpful ever is that?
Back around when Ardern initiated the Dew report –
“Winston Peters labels Labour sexual assault claims ‘innuendo’, NZ First MPs back him up”
Winston Peters has wasted no time wading into the Labour Party investigation, calling the allegations “unfounded fiction”, an “orgy of speculation”, and “innuendo”.
He said it was “led by a woman called Paula Bennett making all sorts of vile allegations by way of innuendo without a fact to back it up” …
“If you are a victim of criminal wrongdoing, do not go to the opposition – go to the police,” Shane Jones said
[1]

Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters – siding with the Labour Party investigator who denied being told about sexual assault complaints against a former party member – again told media: “I happen to know some facts that you don’t know“ [2]
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Peters is claiming he knows how National got the ‘leaked’ documents but not revealing details.
He told reporters what they were saying was wrong – the facts were different.
“Are you saying the cleaner got hold of stuff, I don’t think so … the facts are different to that. The facts are very, very bad for the National party.”
“The information came to them in circumstances where the behaviour was totally illegal and they should have known it. That’s all I can say right now … it’s my job to know.” [3]

Winston so often claims to know something and we later find he didn’t, all we now know is Winston is a version of the little boy who called “Wolf” – and for the same reason: attention.
In the children’s story the little boy is of course eaten by the wolf – an all-consuming attention.
So far Winston has only been bitten a few times.
Now when Winston claims to know something, because it’s him, it is usually no use anyone else knowing.

[1] https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/09/winston-peters-labels-labour-sexual-assault-claims-innuendo-nz-first-mps-back-him-up.html
[2] https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12268496&ref=art_readmore
[3] https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/113055687/live-national-party-claims-its-got-leaked-budget-details

(Shane Jones, above, actually offered obvious but sensible advice, but also usually says so much verbose fluffed-up backwoodsman-become-politician Davy Crocket-type oratory crap that Ardern fears to listen to him too)
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December 20, 2019 8:29am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Winston “knows” fuck all. He is a charlatan and buffoon. And a traitor.
  
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  December 20, 2019 11:36am
  - Michael
    
    yes Traitor sounds correct.
    How many millions have been wasted that could have been used for the little people….
    
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    December 20, 2019 3:16pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Ummm, “what’s in it for wynston” is a little person…
      
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      December 20, 2019 6:56pm
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Why else do you think he keeps Ron Mark on; it’s to make him look taller!
        
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        December 20, 2019 7:25pm
Colville

After a lot of reading yesterday on and around the Trump impeachment issue I have decided that DPF is just taking the piss.

He is just too smart to be on the Dems side of the fence on this despite being no fan of Donny.

I think we are all being laughed at 🙂
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December 20, 2019 8:30am
- SGA
  
  No, there are people on the right, here and in the USA, who think that Trump is a bizarre person to be President.
  
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  December 20, 2019 9:23am
  - Positan
    
    Bizarre … ??? When compared to say, Hillary …. with all her past and all the yet to be explained deaths of so many former acquaintances and associates … ???
    
    As one who keeps as informed and up to date as he can, I’ll go for for Trump’s appearance of “bizarre” every time.
    
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    December 20, 2019 12:21pm
    - SGA
      
      Hillary Clinton is one of the reasons that the USA ended up with as bizarre a President as Trump? Yep, you are probably right.
      
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      December 20, 2019 4:39pm
- Fletch
  
  I was just thinking this morning – the whole Democrat show reminds me of a group of people getting together and playing a practical joke. Most anyone can see how fake and phony the playacting is – it’s like watching a skit on TV – and you expect someone to crack at any moment and shout “just kidding!” Only there is no punchline and they are deadly serious. If I were one of those Democrats, I don’t know how I’d force down my shame and embarrassment and keep going. I guess their hate for Trump powers them.
  
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  December 20, 2019 9:37am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I think not..
  DPF has been consistent with presenting a pro-democrat point of view on US politics since I’ve been reading KB.
  I don’t recall seeing much (or any) commentary on United States politics from any other POV.
  
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  December 20, 2019 9:45am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  DPF rolling the gullible
  
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  December 20, 2019 9:48am
JibberJabber

Pat Condell

Spare a thought this Christmas for the people going hungry because they’re too fat to walk to the food bank.
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December 20, 2019 8:31am
- alex Masterley
  
  I drive past Eden Park every morning on my way to work.
  The City Mission is distributing food parcels from Gate A at Eden Park every morning.
  Some enthusiasts turn up the evening before, wrapped in blankets and maccas in hand, to have their go at the queue.
  The punters turning up for a go at the food parcels park any old how, foot paths and reserves. None of them can be described as as svelte. Moderately sized moons some of them are.
  
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  December 20, 2019 9:22am
- Bill felt
  
  JJ that comment is racist!
  
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  December 20, 2019 10:18am
  - JibberJabber
    
    That would be Fatist, it`s your assumptions that are racist, I`ll have you know!
    
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    December 20, 2019 11:20am
- DigNap15
  
  Ryan Bridge said it so well
  Those fat people are sponsored by KFC
  Starting charging airfares by weight and let them squirm
  
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  December 20, 2019 11:20am
Simon

Will Brenton Tarrant’s drug use came out during trial? The odds are very good he will have a cannabis habit.

Apparently he was quite poorly in prison which will be drug withdrawal issues. But after a year of being cannabis free his health will improve.

Remember guns don’t kill but cannabis does.
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December 20, 2019 8:38am
- The King
  
  Can’t tell if serious or not.
  
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  December 20, 2019 9:26am
- SGA
  
  Lol. Reefer madness you reckon. Given the high use of cannabis in NZ, it’s a wonder the streets aren’t awash with blood. Thank goodness for the calming influence of alcohol.
  
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  December 20, 2019 9:27am
  - Ed Snack
    
    I recall seeing the original Reefer Madness film, and a bloody good laugh it was too…
    
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    December 20, 2019 4:01pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Incredibly speculative nonsense.
  The guy is/was a fitness nut.
  
  That’s not the type typically running a cannabis habit.
  
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  December 20, 2019 9:49am
  - KH
    
    @Maggy. “Fitness nut” often means “steroids”
    Some informed folk says he has the physical features of such use.
    Steroids are implicated in aggro thinking and subsequent violence.
    
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    December 20, 2019 10:37am
    - The King
      
      Yes it was everything but mass immigration and vengeance.
      
      You people and your copes.
      
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      December 20, 2019 12:11pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Yep..
      I’d go along with that one.
      
      That’s why I think Simon has the wrong end of the stick.
      
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      December 20, 2019 12:17pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Lawnmowers?
  
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  December 20, 2019 9:50am
  - sooty
    
    Did he have the PTPM Cindys phone number?
    If not why not?
    
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    December 20, 2019 10:50am
JibberJabber

LoL, too funny ?
https://twitter.com/KTHopkins/status/1207626170226884608
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December 20, 2019 8:39am
- artemisia
  
  Best comment – ”Abbot’s borrowed his favourite shoe”. She will always be known as the two-left-shoe gal.
  
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  December 20, 2019 11:55am
Maggy Wassilieff

For the Language buffs…
https://yournz.org/2019/12/20/words-of-the-year-2019/
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December 20, 2019 8:39am
- rightoverlabour
  
  I wish “Deus Vult” was there….
  
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  December 20, 2019 11:37am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I think Inshallah is used as a substitute.
    
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    December 20, 2019 12:21pm
Rodney Randall

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/118334771/christchurch-mayor-should-have-known-donation-rules–political-commentator

Any cred Dalziel had has now been blown to bits.

Interesting to note that Jo Daly the Electoral Officer is refusing to answer questions around an investigation. She must be pressed and an investigation into Dalziel’s nughtiness conducted without delay.

“Otago University political and legal commentator Professor Andrew Geddis said Dalziel, an experienced politician, should have known the rules.”

“If you’re running for high office as the mayor of the second biggest city in the country, it’s incumbent on you to know the rules you’re competing under.”

“It portrays a certain cavalier attitude toward the purpose of disclosure laws, which are important so the public can properly see who our elected officials are being influenced by.”

“Geddis said Dalziel could have been prosecuted for “wilful filing of a false declaration” if she had not amended her return with the correct donor information.”

“That is a serious offence that can get you jailed for two years and, if convicted, automatically gets you kicked off council.”
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December 20, 2019 8:41am
- ross411
  
  The rules should be applied harder to politicians than the rest of us, to make it clear that we can trust the system. Instead the reverse appears to be true, more often than not.
  
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  December 20, 2019 9:08am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  She is Labour – nothing will happen
  
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  December 20, 2019 9:52am
- Surely Knott
  
  “Under the Act, failure to declare expenses “without reasonable excuse” can lead to a fine of up to $1000.” The penalty seems like a slap on the hand considering the size of the secret donations.
  
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  December 20, 2019 9:55am
Billy Collins

There is more evidence that Biden abused his power for personal gain at the expense or with disregard to national interests than that Trump did.

If you think Trump is guilty, to be consistent, you have to think Biden is to. However, if that is the case, then Trump requesting an investigation in to Biden is of national interest, but then it would mean Trump didn’t abuse his power.

You can’t get out of this.
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December 20, 2019 8:46am
- ross411
  
  So many people willing to ignore evidence of problems with Biden, if it allows them to express their dislike for Trump. Makes you wonder doesn’t it..
  
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  December 20, 2019 9:06am
  - Stephieboy2
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    ross411,” makes you wonder ..” Like a massive deflection created by the Whitehouse”
    
    Makes you wonder doesn’t it?
    
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    December 20, 2019 10:08am
    - Raphael
      
      Are you claiming that the Whitehouse somehow managed to get Biden to brag on camera about abusing his power to keep his son from being investigated as a deflection for Trump asking for that exact thing to be investigated?
      
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      December 20, 2019 10:42am
      - Stephieboy2
        
        Raphael,” brag on camera ” ??
        
        Links and context would be most useful!
        
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        December 20, 2019 10:53am
      - chaos
        
        Go learn to google yourself idiot boy, those links have been supplied for you many times and you slank Away instead of replying every time as usual.
        
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        December 20, 2019 12:02pm
  - Billy Collins
    
    The worst part is our esteemed host going along with all this this. He is generally so reasonable on most things, so it’s sad to see him fall so far in this regard.
    
    Not just this, but supporting an unprecedented impeachment where an article of impeachment was created completely out of thin air with no judicial support or foundation whatsoever where the Dems openly admit they aren’t following the legitimate processes because the next election will probably have passed by the time they get judicial support.
    
    DPF is in support of this and its embarrassing and shameful.
    
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    December 20, 2019 10:51am
    - Vory v zakone
      
      Along with DPF’s sidekick, the belligerent one, who wants to be a competitor and referee at the same time.
      
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      December 21, 2019 4:29am
- Billy Collins
  
  Burisma sent a memo to the Obama administration about the investigation, dropping Hunter Biden’s name, and a month later, Biden withheld a billion dollars of aid until the prosecutor was fired.
  
  The prosecutor was fired, and the investigation in to Burisma was dropped.
  
  After the firing, an investigation was done and the prosecutor was found to have committed no wrongdoing.
  
  So what justified Biden’s actions? He personally gained from using the power of the executive that was of no national interest. If that doesn’t warrant at least an investigation, then neither does Trump’s favour.
  
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  December 20, 2019 9:18am
  - Batman
    
    The international community was calling for shokin to be removed. He was corrupt.
    
    The rest of your fantasy is no better than a Nicky Hager leap of logic.
    
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    December 20, 2019 10:28am
    - Billy Collins
      
      He was so corrupt that no wrongdoing was found?
      
      Ok, mate.
      
      And I am not saying that Biden is guilty. I’m saying that there are bigger leaps in logic to claim Trump is but Biden isnt, and you just admitted it.
      
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      December 20, 2019 10:51am
      - Batman
        
        “I would like you to do us a favour though”
        
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        December 20, 2019 11:40am
      - Billy Collins
        
        Exactly Batman, if that quote on its own is enough to deem Trump guilty, then Biden saying “I looked at them and said: I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money” makes him guilty (not to mention the rest of the evidence against him) by your own logic, which means Trump had legit national interest in requesting the favour.
        
        This is not about what is true, this is about you guys being consistent. You cant condemn Trump without also condemning Biden, which then vindicates Trump. The only way out of this contradiction is to admit that the evidence against Trump is not enough to deem him guilty.
        
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        December 20, 2019 11:59am
      - Batman
        
        This moronic logic cul de sac you lot have driven down is quite the spectacle.
        
        History will not look back on you kindly.
        
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        December 20, 2019 12:14pm
      - Billy Collins
        
        Just solve the logic problem, Batman. I’ve granted everything else to you. I’m not arguing that Trump is innocent, or that the prosecutor isnt corrupt, or that Biden is guilty. I’m letting all that slide and just focusing on a basic inconsistency.
        
        I’ve laid it out for you. Biden clearly had an indisputable conflict of interest. That is apparently enough to start an investigation against Trump but not against Biden according to you.
        
        You are supporting undermining a legitimate election based on an inconsistency, based on an impeachment article just made up out of thin air with no judicial verdict to support it at all,
        
        Dont worry about how kind history is to us here.
        
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        December 20, 2019 12:44pm
    - Andrei
      
      What’s the “international community” what youactually mean is foreign ministers if American vassal states who can have their arms twisted after the event to provide a talking point.
      
      But what I think this is really about is a distraction from the scandal where the FBI obtained warrents under false pretenses to spy on the Trump campaign – it allows the tlaking heads to babble on about this and and pretend the other doesn’t exist
      
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      December 20, 2019 10:52am
      - Batman
        
        Andrei’s message is brought to you by the GRU and the Russian Foreign Ministry.
        
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        December 20, 2019 11:40am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Tell me Batman, is the “Vladimir Putin” figure in the room with you right now…..?
        
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        December 20, 2019 4:15pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      You keep getting this wrong
      Shokin was not corrupt. He had two investigations going on into Burisma (source John Solomon)
      Shokin, once Zelensky was elected, was cleared by the Ukrainian DOJ.
      The previous Ukraine govt was corrupt and was actively diverting aid money to their ‘friends’
      Hundreds of millions disappeared.
      AGAIN you show you know eff all
      
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      December 20, 2019 10:54am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Why do you keep repeating all those refuted talking points?
        
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        December 20, 2019 11:02am
      - Batman
        
        Because there isn’t an alternative defence, clearly.
        
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        December 20, 2019 11:38am
      - Stephieboy2
        
        Wrong again , and again,
        
        “Viktor Shokin: The inside story on Ukraine’s ‘very good’ prosecutor at centre of Trump scandal”
        
        Donald Trump said Ukraine’s former chief prosecutor was an honest, wronged man, fired after Joe Biden tried to shut down an investigation into his son’s gas company. In Kiev, Oliver Carroll speaks to people who know Viktor Shokin, and finds a different story
        
        https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/viktor-shokin-ukraine-prosecutor-trump-biden-hunter-joe-investigation-impeachment-a9147001.html
        
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        December 20, 2019 11:04am
      - Billy Collins
        
        We dont have to defend the prosecutor, we dont even have to believe that Biden is guilty either, all we have to do is be consistent.
        
        If a false whistleblower complaint is enough to justify an investigation in to Trump, then Biden literally admitting what he did is enough to justify an investigation in to Biden, therefore Trump was justified to request the favour.
        
        This is just simply logic. If anything, the abuse of power article is, at best, murky. It does not surpass presumption of innocence at all.
        
        It is a moral failure for anyone who knows this contradiction exists but still thinks they are justified in supporting the undermining of a legitimate election.
        
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        December 20, 2019 12:15pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Perhaps mikey, because you’re the one with the refuted talking points, not All_on_Red ? You do stick to the narrative that is so desperately being pushed to pretend that there was no corruption involving US figures in Ukraine.
        
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        December 20, 2019 4:18pm
    - bruceavon
      
      Yes. Biden entered to effort to get rid of Shokin, the corrupt prosecutor, late. The Europeans had been trying to get rid of him for years. also contrary to what Trump says and what people on here seem to believe the Ukrainians have said they weren’t investigating Biden at the time he called for him to be removed. Also why would Biden want to remove a hopeless prosecutor if they were investigating his son for corruption, to replace him with someone who was better at rooting out corruption?
      
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      December 20, 2019 12:40pm
      - Billy Collins
        
        Bruce,
        
        I’m not defending the prosecutor here. He could have been corrupt.
        
        The point is that from the evidence we have about Trump, if you think that is enough to deem him guilty, then to be consistent, you must also see Biden as guilty. You can’t avoid it without effectively admitting your own hackery.
        
        That is all.
        
        As for this:
        
        “the Ukrainians have said they weren’t investigating Biden at the time he called for him to be removed”
        
        The Ukrainians never said that, a Kiev based non-profit activist group said that.
        
        Burisma literally sent a memo to the Obama Administration about the investigation, mentioning Hunter’s involvement, one month before Biden got him fired.
        
        https://johnsolomonreports.com/hunter-bidens-ukraine-gas-firm-pressed-obama-administration-to-end-corruption-allegations-memos-show/
        
        As for the Europeans already trying to oust Shokin, its irrelevant. What matters is that Biden clearly had a conflict of interest. This is the inconsistency problem you guys have. All you have on Trump is a favour that is a conflict of interest that, without any direct evidence, you think is linked to withheld aid. You guys think thats enough to not only start an investigation, but also impeach him. Yet Biden also had a conflict of interest that he explicitly linked to withheld aid, but it isn’t enough to even just start an investigation? Why?
        
        Is the only reason why you stick to this inconsistency is because it makes the investigation in to Trump illegitimate? I can’t see what else it could be.
        
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        December 20, 2019 2:15pm
      - bruceavon
        
        Billy.
        Biden can’t be charged with a conflict of interest if they weren’t investigating matters related to his son. which they weren’t. The Burisma investigation related to matters that occurred before Hunter was even there. And the prosecutor was asked to be removed because he was not investigating Burisma properly. he was accused of slow walking the investigation because he was probably bribed by its owner. Therefore none of this related to Biden so he could not benefit. Trump on the other hand directly benefits if he can obtain dirt on his primary challenger for president.
        
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        December 20, 2019 3:24pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Bruceavon, just about everyone in Ukraine appears to be corrupt in one way or another. Note that one of the Prosecutors hired after Shokin’s demise has just been convicted of corruption.
        
        The point being that there is a narrative that the Democrats via the MSM are trying to establish, to protect Biden, and you’re buying into it without investigating. The Europeans were not trying to get rid of him “for years”, the main push to remove him was from the US and that means Biden.
        
        I can’t directly assess the veracity of the document, but Shokin has given sworn testimony to a European court that states that he was fired because he was actively investigating Burisma, not because he wasn’t.
        
        There is at the very least, reasonable suspicion that Hunter Biden’s engagement with Burisma was improper. He was paid way more than is usual ($1M a year, Exxon directors get around 10% of that for contrast), and never attended a single board meeting. A despite protestations, it is clear that his position did worry members of the Obama administration – Ambassador Yovanavich testified that she had no knowledge of Burisma but did admit that for her confirmation hearing in the Senate she was prepped on Burisma but being told to say that all questions about that should be referred to VP Biden – she wasn’t asked BTW. Another State Department official cancelled a proposed joint program with Burisma because of concerns about allegations regarding Burisma and money laundering.
        
        I suggest a proper independent investigation is needed. If there was significant wrong doing by Burisma, for example significant money laundering, then both Biden’s involvement is highly suspect and likely criminal. If not, then the legitimate suspicions can be laid to rest.
        
        As Billy Collins is arguing, if it was good enough to relentlessly investigate Trump for over 2 years on the basis of paid opposition research which proved to be bunkum (yes, complete crap, and by Jan 2017 the FBI knew that), then there is certainly more than adequate suspicion to investigate Biden & Biden in the same way.
        
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        December 20, 2019 4:41pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Where is this Keev that biden talks about?
      
      Is this ok with you?
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXA–dj2-CY
      
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      December 20, 2019 2:46pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        That’s how people who live in Kiev (and the rest of Ukraine and Russia and other places) pronounce it.
        
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        December 20, 2019 2:57pm
      - Tall Man
        
        I stand corrected.. I think.
        
        No one has commented on the video where biden clearly states he threatened the Ukraine. Now I don’t really care but it does seem a little hypocritical to me.
        
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        December 20, 2019 4:11pm
      - Jack5
        
        Not quite correct, Ian Boag.
        
        Try Google Translate for the correct pronunciations. For “Kiev”, in both Russian and Ukrainian there’s a slight glide that’s a bit as though there were a “y” before the last syllable. Also, the final letter (“v” in English) sounds close to an English “f”.
        
        How they write the word:
        Russian – Киев. Ukrainian – Київ
        
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        December 20, 2019 8:58pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        I have a son who speaks fluent Russian. I have a friend (a local GP) from Ukraine. The finer points of gliding vowels from Google translate are a bit beyond me. I can only say how it sounds to me ….
        
        Neither of them sound like “Key – evv” ….
        
        Whatever
        
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        December 20, 2019 9:08pm
      - Jack5
        
        A Friday night discussion …
        
        Ian Boag, your son will be able to explain better than I can, that in these two Slavic languages, when the “v”- equivalent letter ends a word, speakers typically pronounce it as close to “f”.
        
        This causes confusion in translation to our language. For example, a famous Russian composer is translated (and pronounced) in English sometimes as Rachmaninov, and sometimes as Rachmaninoff.
        
        Also some Russian vowels do contain this gliding sound, which tends to identify native speakers. New learners of Russian are often encouraged to pronounce them as though they had a “y” in front of them.
        
        Sorry to go on, but the Slavic languages are interesting, and hearty congratulations to your son for learning Russian.
        
        If you, or he, are interested in details of the differences between Russian and Ukrainian, here is a short Youtube video I found interesting.
        
        The two speakers say that Ukrainian is always pronounced the way it looks in (Cyrillic) print. However, in Russian you have to know which syllable of a word to accent. That makes it trickier. The video has English subtitles:
        
        https://youtu.be/hQ7Hd2FnzVQ
        
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        December 20, 2019 10:25pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      Typical Batman. Did you check to see if the “International Community” actually was independently calling for his removal, or do you just follow the narrative being pushed ?
      
      As it happens, some Europeans have revealed the reason that some of them supported removing Shokin was because the US (aka Biden) had specifically requested them to do so.
      
      The real reason was that Shokin had received notice from Latvia that some significant transactions from Burisma to Hunter Biden and his interests via Latvia to Cyprus appeared, on the surface, to be laundering transactions. Shokin had also just seized assets belonging to the ultimate owner of Burisma, and was seeking an interview with Hunter Biden. At least so Shokin says in a sworn statement before a European court.
      
      Ukraine is pretty corrupt on all sides, and I would hesitate to take at immediate face value any information official or otherwise from there. So I don’t actually believe that Biden is definitively guilty necessarily, however I do think that there is sufficient evidence to support a serious investigation, preferably jointly between the US and Ukraine. If he has been involved in money laundering then his father’s actions are overtly corrupt.
      
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      December 20, 2019 4:13pm
  - Tall Man
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXA–dj2-CY
    
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    December 20, 2019 2:46pm
- Stephieboy2
  
  “There is more evidence that Biden abused his power for….”
  
  Like what?
  
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  December 20, 2019 10:07am
  - Billy Collins
    
    I explained. The prosecutor he got fired was found to have committed no wrongdoing, Burisma had reached out to the Obama Administration to get involved in the investigation.
    
    Literally the only thing that came out of it was that the Burisma investigation was dropped. That’s it.
    
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    December 20, 2019 10:53am
    - Tall Man
      
      Still wrestling that pig?
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4rX2nCBHjc
      
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      December 20, 2019 2:34pm
- Michael
  
  Batman??
  
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  December 20, 2019 3:19pm
Maggie Pie

For a bit of a larf I put these on my ‘Watchlist’ a few weeks ago.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EL7BjMIX0AAcTud?format=jpg&name=small

Anyway, I decided to grab the last 3 and send them to people as ‘Secret Santa’ presents.
Any suggestions?
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December 20, 2019 9:04am
- Fletch
  
  Give it to some protest-attending school age kids and tell them they’ll be saving the planet if they use it. It is imperative! We have no planet B! Greta wants them to! Oh, and they have to wash and clean them themselves.
  
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  December 20, 2019 9:46am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    My partner would like to send a roll each to JAG, James & GollyG. 😀
    
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    December 20, 2019 11:31am
    - freethinker
      
      Used ones?
      
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      December 20, 2019 12:27pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    But remind them that laundry detergent kills the planet.
    
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    December 20, 2019 11:35am
- Tall Man
  
  https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/dot-commons-diary/80548/will-next-labour-manifesto-include
  
  Nice to see you’re in the same page as corbyn…. almost.
  
  And for those of you who think ardern is a PTPM… have a wee peek at her craft page. It seems she’s as busy as ………
  
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  December 20, 2019 2:29pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Oops….
    
    https://thehappyhousewife.com/home-management/toilet-paper-pumpkins/
    
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    December 20, 2019 2:57pm
lastmanstanding

Just read the post on the Labour Party Sex Attack Report. I feel so much for the young women. I am also afraid like others that one or more may self harm. If they do Labour and its supporters will say they are vindicated as the person obviously had mental health issues which lead them to make the false complaint.

Face it. That is the venal feral POS that we are dealing with in the Left.

May they all live in interesting times.
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December 20, 2019 9:11am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Sooner or later someone will pick off the scab and expose Labour for what they really are – a festering sore
  
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  December 20, 2019 9:55am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It’s the age-old tactic employed against non-compliant females.
  
  She’s mad, hysterical, got mental problems.
  
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  December 20, 2019 9:59am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Cunning of them to get a female QC to run that line, eh?
    
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    December 20, 2019 10:39am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Oh, that’s par for course..
      don’t you remember the defence lawyer Emma Priest’s claim that
      “she wanted it” during the Young Labour assault case?
      
      Priest said the accused had a complete defence to the fourth charge, an allegation of unwanted kissing.
      
      “She wanted it,” Priest said. “There is no indecent assault here.”
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12263955
      
      Of course, once the accused had pleaded guilty to the male assaults, the case closed.
      
      So what do you reckon mikenmildagain.. did the young girl “want it” ?
      
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      December 20, 2019 12:13pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        What I reckon is that you are incapable of judging any issue dispassionately.
        
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        December 20, 2019 1:01pm
      - Tall Man
        
        mikey, once again you prove you are in the same team as steffy.
        
        Find me anyone who claims to view subjects dispassionately and I’ll show you a liar.
        
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        December 20, 2019 2:26pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        So, yes, you think that women who are assaulted actually “want it”, got it mikey.
        
        Neanderthal attitudes much ?
        
        I guess you can excuse yourself in that this only applies if the assaulter is a Labour party member, right ?
        
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        December 20, 2019 5:04pm
    - Michael
      
      yes cunning…
      
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      December 20, 2019 3:24pm
rightoverlabour

Great new link on YSB for real news on Trump

https://protrumpnews.com/

Saw this there… Democrats going to be crying 2020

https://twitter.com/parscale/status/1207485667741196288
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December 20, 2019 9:48am
- Batman
  
  So, real news on Trump is literally pro Trump news?
  
  Thanks for the laugh! And for confirming the snowflake status of the Trump gang.
  
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  December 20, 2019 10:20am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    So glad I made your day better. Now watch while Trump makes my year better….
    
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    December 20, 2019 11:39am
  - The King
    
    Kinda rich coming from someone who’s been snowflaking over every Trump tweet for 3 years.
    
    Show us all on the doll where the bad orange man touched you.
    
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    December 20, 2019 12:14pm
    - Batman
      
      That’s a lame troll even for you, Chan.
      
      But just to rebut you briefly, you’ve only been here since the beginning of the year, conveniently to defend your mate Brenton.
      
      Second, I don’t read Trump’s idiotic tweets as they’re a waste of time. So no, I am not snowflaking over them. Sorry to disappoint!
      
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      December 20, 2019 1:47pm
      - The King
        
        Not very good at receiving what you give are you.
        
        If it wasn’t for your hatred of Trump you’d have nothing to live for, your hatred of Trump is more powerful than Brentons hatred of muslims.
        
        Old Charlie Manson was right…
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1vFzW4_RB8
        
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        December 20, 2019 2:23pm
rightoverlabour

More damned Global Warming. Have not heard much from The Greta on this warmth. https://electroverse.net/severe-winter-storm-aapo-cuts-power-to-55000-homes-in-finland/
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December 20, 2019 9:50am
- Stephieboy2
  
  rightoverlbour, refer below!
  
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  December 20, 2019 10:33am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Uhh no, I don’t read junk science.
    
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    December 20, 2019 2:38pm
- DigNap15
  
  And its been minus 22 in Winnipeg recently
  
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  December 20, 2019 11:23am
- JibberJabber
  
  Greta has gone home to hibernate.
  
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  December 20, 2019 3:19pm
  - sooty
    
    Inside her parents house with the central heating turned up!
    
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    December 20, 2019 9:18pm
Sofia

Whakaari/White Island should be bought off private owners, law expert says
If the island remained under private ownership then the Buttles would continue to have the final say of who could land on the island, he said. https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/118248370

Are not private owners of anything in New Zealand, with or without access to the public, responsible through WORKSAFE in providing safety under related laws with severe penalties?

If “Buttles continue to have the final say of who could land on the island”, do they not have to comply with WORKSAFE to establish the conditions in which those people can land, and Government or iwi as alternative owners would have to do the same?

“I very much doubt that it would be appropriate to allow for the past situation to continue with people walking around it.” – University of Auckland honorary academic and law school lecturer Kenneth Palmer
He also said “The Buttle family could claim a sum for loss of future revenue.”
Why? – if people shouldn’t continue to walk around on it?

“If the Crown acquired the land another option was to grant the land back to iwi by putting a case before the Te Ture Whenua Maori Act (Māori Land Act)”, he said.

Like Ihumatoa?
Why?
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December 20, 2019 9:59am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Bet a lazy fiver we don’t see Newton and the gaggle of shit out there ‘reclaiming’ their land anytime soon
  
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  December 20, 2019 11:06am
- hookerphil
  
  Why, Because it appears to be Maori Week, every week.
  
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  December 20, 2019 11:12am
- KevO'Brien
  
  There is a common law obligation not to damage or allow damage to occur to someone else–ancient common sense provisions. A private owner would probably be required to have White Island fenced off and visible warnings. That would also apply to the Crown or agents as owner.
  The Island is too rogue not to treated as seriously dangerous.
  
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  December 20, 2019 1:22pm
Stephieboy2

Austrlia Burns whilst Joanne Nova, Anthony Watts etc and sundry deniers keep their blinkers on,

“Australia registers hottest day in recorded history”

Outback towns become some of warmest places on Earth as report details season of unprecedented fire risk

Australia has endured its hottest day ever recorded, as hundreds of violent bushfires continue to rage across the country.
Bureau of Meteorology data shows temperatures hit a startling new high of 40.9C on average on Tuesday – 0.6C higher than the record set in 2013 – with experts warning Wednesday would likely be even hotter.

It came as a special statement on climate change from the bureau revealed an unprecedented season of bushfire risk, with Forest Fire Danger Index (FFDI) statistics showing record-high indicators for spring had been observed in every state and territory in 2019.

The record levels of heat have been exacerbated by very low humidity, gusty winds and a severe lack of rainfall, combining to push bushfire danger levels into the “catastrophic” category, the statement said….”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/australia-hottest-day-record-bushfire-climate-change-spring-bom-a9251101.html
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December 20, 2019 10:27am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Enjoy this rebuttal from your favourite Aussie:
  http://joannenova.com.au/2019/12/hottest-ever-day-in-australia-especially-if-you-ignore-history/
  
  The data mangling to fullfil the climate meme is really shonky.
  
  Have you compared the IPCC model forecasts with the actual data they admit too? Pitiful.
  
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  December 20, 2019 1:26pm
  - Doctor Who
    
    Joanne Nova is a witless bullshitting imbecile.
    
    Is she had anything worthwhile it would be published.
    
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    December 20, 2019 6:46pm
Stephieboy2

“Sydney temperatures pass 41C as firefighters injured, homes destroyed, state of emergency declared

Key points:

Gusty conditions are blowing heat and smoke across Greater Sydney

NSW Health has issued warnings, with the mercury hitting 42C in some areas

Australia’s hottest day ever was Tuesday, but the record stood for only 24 hours

Much more here,

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-19/sydney-nsw-heatwave-weather-smoke-bushfires/11810414
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December 20, 2019 10:32am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Hmm, maybe not the hottest…
  
  http://joannenova.com.au/2019/12/hottest-ever-day-in-australia-especially-if-you-ignore-history/
  
  Anyway the heat waves have got fuck all to do with CO2 and everything to do with a weakened jet stream. And the jet stream is weaker because we are in a GSM.
  
  Now what were your climatology qualifications again. I have an MSC Palaeoclimatology. So I know a little about this, but some serious academics argue along the same lines, so I think I m on the right track, whereas you adore The Greta, a failed politician ( Gore) and a fraud ( Mann).
  
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  December 20, 2019 2:37pm
  - Michael
    
    boom!
    
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    December 20, 2019 3:27pm
    - Stephieboy2
      
      Bust !
      
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      December 20, 2019 4:18pm
  - Stephieboy2
    
    Wrong !,
    
    Australia has experienced its hottest day on record with the national average temperature reaching a high of 40.9C
    (105.6F).
    
    “The Bureau of Meteorology (Bom) said “extensive” heat on Tuesday exceeded the previous record of 40.3C set on 7 January 2013.
    
    Taking the average of maximum temperatures across the country is the most accurate measure of a heatwave.
    
    The record comes as the nation battles a severe drought and bushfire crisis.
    
    Forecasters had predicted the most intense heat would come later in the week, meaning the record could be broken again.
    
    As hundreds of fires rage, Prime Minister Scott Morrison has been criticised for his response to the natural disasters and his government’s climate policies….”
    
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-50817963
    
    I repeat,
    
    “the national average temperature reaching a high of 40.9C “
    
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    December 20, 2019 4:18pm
  - Doctor Who
    
    What’s an MSC?
    
    Of course the higher temperatures have everything to do with the increased CO2. Where do you think the increase in heat came from?
    
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    December 20, 2019 6:50pm
    - Nickc2
      
      The sun is responsible for earths temperature. Earth’s orbit in relationship to the sun is not spherical, hence there will be times when earth is closer to the sun (hot) and times when it will be more distant from the sun (cold). CO2, the essential element of all life forms on earth does not recognise earth’s position in relationship to the sun, hence blaming global warming on CO2 is a non event. Current myths suggesting otherwise is nothing but a scheme to deprive wealth from some and give that wealth to others.
      
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      December 20, 2019 8:53pm
- Inandout
  
  S2, Fires create heat as well, duh.
  
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  December 20, 2019 4:38pm
igm

What o Pelosi, Clark, and Ardern have in common other than similar facial features?
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December 20, 2019 10:38am
krazykiwi

We have just had the best decade in human history.

Let nobody tell you that the second decade of the 21st century has been a bad time. We are living through the greatest improvement in human living standards in history. Extreme poverty has fallen below 10 per cent of the world’s population for the first time. It was 60 per cent when I was born. Global inequality has been plunging as Africa and Asia experience faster economic growth than Europe and North America; child mortality has fallen to record low levels; famine virtually went extinct; malaria, polio and heart disease are all in decline.
:::
Perhaps one of the least fashionable predictions I made nine years ago was that ‘the ecological footprint of human activity is probably shrinking’ and ‘we are getting more sustainable, not less, in the way we use the planet’. That is to say: our population and economy would grow, but we’d learn how to reduce what we take from the planet. And so it has proved. An MIT scientist, Andrew McAfee, recently documented this in a book called More from Less, showing how some nations are beginning to use less stuff: less metal, less water, less land. Not just in proportion to productivity: less stuff overall.

I recommend Ridley’s book The Rational Optimist.
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December 20, 2019 10:40am
- KH
  
  Simpler and better to go for planet population reduction. Not difficult to do. It’s happening amongst educated folk already, although the breeding ferals are a still a problem with it.
  
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  December 20, 2019 4:11pm
Bobba Fret

Well this government do not make it any easier for landlords or in the long run for the renters.
Look at the damage this tenant did to the property….those tenants need to be “black listed” as no one should rent a property to them. Trouble is they will end up being a sob story saying they are homeless and cannot rent a property.
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December 20, 2019 10:55am
- Bobba Fret
  
  I forgot the link!!!!!
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/118152052/landlords-looking-to-sell-up-over-proposed-changes-to-rental-rules#comments
  
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  December 20, 2019 11:19am
- artemisia
  
  I hope the landlord takes these feral tenants for every penny, and makes sure the debt and rep follows them for years and years. It is possible that the tenants will say – hey it wasn’t us, it was vandals. That won’t wash.
  
  The problem for the landlord will be that tenant liability is limited for accidental damage so they will have to demonstrate it was deliberate. That might not be too difficult LOL.
  
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  December 20, 2019 12:04pm
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Agree totally. Only problem is, the tenants will have no money (of course) and poor landlord may get paid $5 a week for several weeks until they simply stop payments.
    
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    December 20, 2019 3:34pm
DigNap15

I see the COL want to allow more refugees in on top of our already increased allowance.

Were ever asked about this?
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December 20, 2019 11:24am
- Tall Man
  
  We were not.
  
  House what we have before we bring in more.
  
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  December 20, 2019 2:17pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Shitty Wellington
https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/118357462/wellingtons-wastewater-to-enter-the-harbour-this-morning–stay-out-save-water
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December 20, 2019 11:32am
- rangitoto
  
  Every time it rains, the same thing happens at East Coast Bays on the North Shore. Supercity disgrace. Meanwhile Te Papa run an exhibition smearing farmers with fake samples that are actually dyed tap water.
  
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  December 20, 2019 11:39am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    And of course Wellington has spent countless $$$$$ on cyclepathways and redoing cyclepathways, but has neglected its early Victorian plumbing.
    
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    December 20, 2019 12:03pm
    - MH
      
      It’s a well known Wellington trait that cyclepaths tend to avoid facing reality due to their insanitary condition.
      
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      December 20, 2019 12:18pm
- Prince
  
  Water pipes and Waste pipes in Wellington are in a parlous state.
  Never mind, residents can amuse themselves by walking up and down the rainbow crossing, taking photos of the condemned library, town hall or hideous Basin Museum stand or the wonderful ‘Brutalist architecture’ block of flats above the terrace, queuing for hours trying to find a park, a bus, or a cyclist using the cycleways.
  I have to say Oriental Bay looks a picture when the trees are lit and the fountain going, on a calm day. I think Saturday 30th November was the last one. Obviously the residents there have some influence.
  
  Anyway, thanks Celia, Justin, Andy. The last decent mayor was Kerry Prendergast, and the last outstanding one was Fran Wilde.
  
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  December 20, 2019 12:00pm
  - Tall Man
    
    As a former Wellingtonian I can see that you haven’t got a fucking clue what you are talking about.
    
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    December 20, 2019 2:15pm
    - Michael
      
      Hey I live here and I was told “The softest part of Kerry Prendergast was the dentine in her teeth”.
      
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      December 20, 2019 3:30pm
    - Prince
      
      As a current and long-time Wellington resident, I can see you’re an idiot.
      
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      December 20, 2019 4:06pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Probably time you moved on then.
        
        Why would someone want to live in a city they so clearly despise… and you think I’m the idiot……..
        
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        December 20, 2019 4:58pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Water pipes and Waste pipes in Wellington are in a parlous state.
    
    Well, they were in a perfectly good condition when last checked – 120 years ago.
    https://wellington.govt.nz/services/environment-and-waste/sewerage-and-wastewater/history-of-the-sewerage-network
    
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    December 20, 2019 4:00pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Maintenance is never high on a politician’s “to do” list.
      
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      December 20, 2019 4:14pm
- fisho
  
  Meanwhile a 4WD club gets shafted for stirring up a bit of mud, which happens every time it rain heavily anyway http://wellington.scoop.co.nz/?p=124599
  Arse-hats.
  
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  December 20, 2019 4:06pm
calendar girl

Why does Stuff continue with this Whakaari / White Island duel-naming routine? The volcanic island has been known and recorded predominantly as “White Island” for 250 years, as recorded in the Encyclopaedia of New Zealand:

The island was known to the Maoris as Whakaari; the meaning is obscure. It was discovered by Cook on 31 October 1769. “I have named it White Island because as such it always appeared to us.
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December 20, 2019 11:35am
- Batman
  
  So, it was named Whakaari and then had White Island added as a second name?
  
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  December 20, 2019 11:37am
  - greybeard
    
    There can be no documented evidence that the maori did indeed call it “Whakaari” before the arrival of Cook as we all know that maori never documented anything.
    How many pre-Cook maori actually used that name ?
    One? Ten?
    Did any maori ever call it by another name?
    
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    December 20, 2019 11:51am
    - Batman
      
      Again, so it only counts if written down?
      
      How very convenient for all you racist language-denialists.
      
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      December 20, 2019 12:15pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Te Reo — the sound, voice spoken.
        Not a written language so their are many variants too.
        
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        December 20, 2019 1:32pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Bit harsh to call people racists for having an opinion that differs from yours over both language and the usage of the language.
        
        I have seen numerous examples of differences in pronunciation in most languages. Explain to a native of France that Montreal french is the same language…
        
        I have also seen many examples of place names being different depending on the user and a simple example is Wanganui. The river mouth coastal dwellers called it Wanganui, those further up the river called it Whanganui.
        
        Whangarei is another with maori locals using the word both with and without the “H”.
        
        I find the usage by you of the word racist is a little beneath someone who professes to be a Sunday church guy and a moderator with an even hand on the tiller.
        
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        December 20, 2019 2:13pm
      - The King
        
        Is Batman moding his own comments?
        
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        December 20, 2019 2:15pm
      - Michael
        
        Batman a moderator?
        Get away.
        Fk me even DPF isn’t that stupid?
        
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        December 20, 2019 3:32pm
      - Stephieboy2
        
        As first arrivals its reasonable to conclude that Maoris did name various significant geographic features like Mt Ruapehu, Tongorario , , Taranaki. Not forgetting rivers like Waikato, Whanganui etc , etc .
        
        To deny these facts would suggest racially based motivations.
        
        I’m pretty certain they would of voyged to Te Whaaraki/White Island long before Cook.
        
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        December 20, 2019 4:27pm
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Turns out, he is.
        
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        December 20, 2019 4:34pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        If a name is not written down, how do you maintain consistency in nomenclature over generations? Naturally, the larger the population who refer to a place by a certain consistent name, the better the chances of that name surviving over time.
        On the other hand, if a small tribe of locals have a name for a mountain (that they have used for generations) and then a bigger tribe sweep down from the north and eliminate them, the local place names will likely all be erased from history.
        
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        December 20, 2019 4:45pm
  - MH
    
    only by those who had a written language to sustain their description. The original Maori orator in the vicinity had a lisp, a stutter, an accent that made him a laughing stock amongst his peers. In his absence, having been eaten, enslaved, disease ridden the Island was named by Cook in ink ,in a logbook.
    
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    December 20, 2019 12:00pm
    - Batman
      
      So it only counts if written down?
      
      How very convenient for you language purists….
      
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      December 20, 2019 12:13pm
      - ISeeRed
        
        Your Kiwiblog handle “Batman” is sexist as it upholds patriarchy and promotes toxic masculinity. It is also racist because Batman wears black, which symbolises the exploitation and oppression of all Blacks for the convenience and benefit of the White Man. See also the “Dark Knight”, another problematic symbol of an outdated patriarchal power structure consisting of systematic racism, institutionalized white power and implicit misogyny (there were never any non-White or non-male knights).
        
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        December 20, 2019 12:43pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Racists gotta be racist.
        
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        December 20, 2019 1:04pm
      - MH
        
        now counting is another issue……..
        
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        December 20, 2019 8:03pm
- ISeeRed
  
  I remember when the Otago Savings Bank became Trust Bank Otago. Then, when Westpac bought it, it became WestpacTrust, then just Westpac. It’s the same principle. Erase the past, in this case, NZ’s “white” heritage. Anything that reminds us of our British/European heritage must eventually be decolonised, unwritten, excised. Maori Uber Alles.
  
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  December 20, 2019 12:31pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    I’ve thrown out all brown paint. The more my tribe encounter cultural Marxism the whiter I get.
    
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    December 20, 2019 1:36pm
  - Michael
    
    Just like Islam….
    
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    December 20, 2019 3:33pm
    - Stephieboy2
      
      Kev O’Bren and Michael, the stupor of unreason!
      
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      December 20, 2019 4:29pm
- KH
  
  Grew up in sight of White Island. There was no other name for it. Never heard of that other name for it until the eruption.
  That other name wss probably invented recently.
  
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  December 20, 2019 4:19pm
- MCos
  
  Captain Cook most certainly didn’t ‘discover’ Whakaari/White Island.
  For that matter he didn’t ‘discover’ NZ either. He wasn’t even the first European to visit NZ.
  BTW
  There are thousands of others locations with Maori names despite there being nothing written down before the early nineteenth century.
  
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  December 20, 2019 4:24pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    This Whakaari/White Island is such a mouthfull.
    Just rename it “Haku-jima” (White Island) and be done with it.
    
    Or better still “Shin Iwo Jima” (New Sulfur Island) after the Iwo Jima where so many soldiers died.
    
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    December 20, 2019 4:47pm
  - Jack5
    
    Let in be “White Island” in the English language, and “Whakaari” in the Maori language.
    
    Let what you call it depend on which language you are speaking, or writing in.
    
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    December 20, 2019 8:48pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Perhaps you could propose some English names for Maori place names that you would have difficulty managing in day-to-day discourse.
      You would, perhaps, need the imagination of James Cook et al though. Some suggestions:
      Rotorua = Smellville
      Pukekohe = Potatoton
      Ohakune = Carroton
      Mount Maunganui = Beach Hill
      
      We would also need names in proper English for other things. Tui, of course, is already the Parson Bird. But Kiwi, Weka, Takahe and Kokako all need new names.
      
      And we would need to criminalise use of the wrong names, of course. Do you think fines would be sufficient, or should serious offences attract prison terms?
      
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      December 20, 2019 9:23pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        But Kiwi, Weka, Takahe and Kokako all need new names.
        
        They already have common names in English…
        Kiwi = blue hen (perhaps restricted to west coast SI)
        Weka = bush hen, woodhen, Maori chicken
        Takahe = notornis
        Kokako = wattle bird
        
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        December 20, 2019 10:16pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Wonderful, Maggy.
        Now we can get Jack5 to police the Kiwiblog comments accordingly.
        
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        December 21, 2019 8:32am
Nookin

Notsofast will be devastated. Lundy remains guilty as charged.
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December 20, 2019 11:44am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Merry Christmas Mark. Thank goodness their Honours on the Supreme Court bench were unanimous in keeping him in the Big House.
  
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  December 20, 2019 12:07pm
- Notsofast
  
  Your concern might be directed at the competence of your supreme court. The decision was written by a ring in appeal court judge and comprises a litany of factual errors.
  
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  December 20, 2019 12:11pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    No one likes a sour loser Notsofast. Most of us aren’t too fussed on people who smash their wife and daughter’s skulls open with an axe either.
    
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    December 20, 2019 1:48pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      He’ll be released in a year or two, won’t he?
      
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      December 20, 2019 2:45pm
      - Tony Stuart
        
        I doubt it. He got a 20-year minimum non-parole period, then had time out of prison between the Privy Council hearing and his second conviction. I would be very surprised if he got parole on first application, given he continues to deny his guilt.
        
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        December 20, 2019 4:13pm
- Rich Prick
  
  We should add bad acting to his charges.
  
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  December 20, 2019 12:13pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Nice Xmas present for a terrible bastard. Notsofast will probably bake him a cake.
    
    https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/mark-lundys-appeal-has-been-dismissed/ar-BBYaSKX?ocid=spartandhp
    
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    December 20, 2019 12:24pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Bad acting? Watched Shortland Street of late, in fact, almost every bloody NZ made production using my money!
    
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    December 20, 2019 4:38pm
    - sooty
      
      With a file in it!
      
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      December 20, 2019 9:10pm
    - Rich Prick
      
      I’d rather have a terminal dose of Stephie than watch that shower of shite. Whoops, I meant syphilis. Autocorrect is getting smarter.
      
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      December 21, 2019 1:35am
- Notsofast
  
  I have made a factual response that awaits moderation. Meanwhile this case continues in other venues.
  
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  December 20, 2019 12:39pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Give it up Notso. He’s fucked, as he deserves to be.
    
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    December 20, 2019 8:56pm
- chaos
  
  But going to waste more money appealing.
  
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  December 20, 2019 12:43pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Unless new evidence comes to light, Lundy has run out of appeals.
    
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    December 20, 2019 1:51pm
- Straight arrow
  
  Why will he be upset? Did he have money on the result…anyone want to suggest an amount?
  
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  December 20, 2019 12:54pm
calendar girl

Where was it recorded as “Whakaari” before James Cook named (and recorded it as) White Island?

I think you will be aware that the Encyclopaedia of New Zealand was first published in the 1960s; or thereabouts.
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December 20, 2019 11:48am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Some reading for you:
  https://forms.justice.govt.nz/search/Documents/WT/wt_DOC_93963650/Wai%20153%2C%20C004.pdf
  
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  December 20, 2019 12:00pm
  - Stephieboy2
    
    mma, excellent sleuthing ! It is well established the Maori had a mane for Whaariki long before Cook named it!
    
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    December 20, 2019 4:36pm
    - Jack5
      
      Was it a long mane, Stephie X?
      
      Did they put macrons in it? ?
      
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      December 20, 2019 8:43pm
      - sooty
        
        Silly, it was in the book!
        
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        December 20, 2019 9:08pm
- chaos
  
  To be honest if you get your knickers in a twist over the name being written then you need to get over yourself. Who gives a flying fuck what the media call it. So many dead and injuries and all the racists can do is whinge about the name. Perhaps you need to head back to the racist redneck ysb where they will all circle around you and hold your same Neanderthal believes while you ignore all those who died and got injuries on it
  
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  December 20, 2019 12:08pm
  - The King
    
    >calls people racist
    
    >uses redneck racial slur
    
    Congratulations you win fuckwit of the week.
    
    Go back to facebook.
    
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    December 20, 2019 12:21pm
    - Batman
      
      Same advice could be given to you, back to the slimehole Chan you crawled out of.
      
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      December 20, 2019 1:24pm
      - The King
        
        How many times have your tears flooded the mod chat? What are you going to do call me “racist” LOL.
        
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        December 20, 2019 2:13pm
      - Michael
        
        and you are a Moderator?
        
        whatever was DPF thinking?
        
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        December 20, 2019 3:34pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Using the Maori name is hurting their feelings…
    
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    December 20, 2019 1:05pm
    - Jack5
      
      The solution to NZ place names is for them to be dual. Not so that both names are used together, as in “Aoraki-Mount Cook”, but so that in the Maori language Maori place names are used, and in English, traditional or officially recognised non-Maori place names are used.
      
      What is the point in having two languages and two sets of traditional names if only one set of names is used?
      
      Let has have: in English, pakeha names; and in Maori, Maori names. If Chinese and Indians want to have sets of NZ place names in Putonghua and Hindi, so be it.
      
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      December 20, 2019 2:29pm
      - Stephieboy2
        
        jack5 , how to they resolve the issue of place names in China and India.
        
        Adopt the colonial ones or their own historic ones?
        
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        December 20, 2019 4:38pm
      - Jack5
        
        What do they do about Raj names in Stephiestan?
        
        And what are the colonial names you are thinking of in China, Stephie X?
        
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        December 20, 2019 8:42pm
  - greybeard
    
    I’m not a racist, neither am I a ‘redneck’.
    
    I do sympathise with those families who lost loved ones in that event, especially those who lost young children.
    
    At the same time that does not preclude me from having my own opinions on history and language, neither does it negate the value of written documentation and the danger in believing purely verbal accounts of events .
    When Cook was recording his travels I bet there was not one Maori who was fluent in the English language of 1769 and I also bet that there were no non-Maori fluent in any or all of the Maori dialects.
    Is it therefore not reasonable to question certain accounts?
    
    I found these of interest:
    http://www.oldest.org/culture/written-languages/
    https://nzhistory.govt.nz/culture/history-of-new-zealand-1769-1914
    
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    December 20, 2019 1:07pm
    - The King
      
      Ah, another of my comments ghosted, to scared to put why you deleted the comment here? just disappear it aye.
      
      Oh you’ll just write “deleted for anti-semitism” when there was no mention of jews at all again right?
      
      Sort your mods out David these mods are sinister af. You did bad vetting.
      
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      December 20, 2019 4:11pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    YSB is neither racist nor redneck. It does allow a greater freedom of expression than this place. Nobody is ignoring the injured and dead, and that is quite frankly irrelevant to the debate around names and variations thereof. Now maybe you need to go to the Standard where many of your ilk post platitudes in support of the new age, woke, triggered, snowflakes that can’t deal with the cut and thrust of life….
    
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    December 20, 2019 2:30pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  It would never have been know as “whaka ari”. That’s not grammatical it’s Kiwipuhamapoaka.
  
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  December 20, 2019 1:42pm
MH

I am offering a sub-stantial reward for any sighting and citing and siting of the Briscoe’s lady. Does she even shop at Briscoes and if so is it 35 or 60% of the time ?
The reward- A $5 Ukrainer non redeemable voucher redeemable at K Martyr, expires at noon 25 Dec 2019. Keep those cards and letters coming in, folks.
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December 20, 2019 12:12pm
- WaveyDavey
  
  Keep a look out for a petite woman with a grey bob somewhere in the Chch vicinity
  
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  December 20, 2019 2:01pm
- Tall Man
  
  Tammy?
  
  Doesn’t she live down south somewhere?
  
  https://thespinoff.co.nz/tv/26-10-2017/the-briscoes-ladys-guide-to-unlocking-eternal-happiness/
  
  https://yardyyardyyardy.blogspot.com/2011/12/briscoes-lady.html
  
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  December 20, 2019 2:03pm
curry4me

Nigel Farage thinks the Fourth Reich is doomed. Let’s hope so.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/12/18/brexit-is-the-beginning-of-the-end-of-this-project-nigel-farage-praises-poland-for-wanting-to-leave-eu/
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December 20, 2019 1:57pm
curry4me

Impeachment fallout spels doom for Dems in 2020. So, what’s the down side?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcceHPIh0Bo
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December 20, 2019 1:58pm
WaveyDavey

Given the generally lighter sentences that women receive for similar offences, I wonder what the outcome for this will be compared to Grace Millane’s killer?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/118357396/australian-werewolf-woman-killed-man-she-met-on-dating-app

Oh that’s right, even though she got everything ready to kill him, planned and prepared for it, searched the internet before she killed him…

It was of course only manslaughter…
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December 20, 2019 2:09pm
rightoverlabour

Hmm if these gas masks are such crap, how come thousands more have not died from exposure?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/118136081/gas-masks-given-to-whakaariwhite-island-tourists-little-more-than-props-says-expert

Or are dangerous levels of H2S only present during large eruptions when H2S is probably the least of your worries?
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December 20, 2019 2:44pm
Komata

Concerning the Maori name of White Isdland:

Has anyone-else noticed the curious similarity of pronunciation between the European name (White Island’) and the Maori name ‘Whakaari’? (Speak it slowly, to see what I mean)

Reverse ‘cultural appropriation’ perhaps?
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December 20, 2019 2:55pm
- Stephieboy2
  
  Similarities? Nope! Differences certianly!
  
  Take a look’
  
  https://forms.justice.govt.nz/search/Documents/WT/wt_DOC_93963650/Wai%20153%2C%20C004.pdf
  
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  December 20, 2019 4:40pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  If the name is broken down into its roots it make sense.
  Whaka –> like, in the manner of..
  ari –> chief
  So we get something like:
  important commanding presence, pay attention, very noticeable, controller etc.
  
  With so few root words they do get put together to give a reasonable meaning in their context.
  My derivation only. There may be a much better or several.
  
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  December 20, 2019 5:13pm
  - Stephieboy2
    
    Whatever!
    
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    December 20, 2019 6:15pm
    - MH
      
      now is that a silent H and fot about a macron over the a ?
      
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      December 20, 2019 8:05pm
Tall Man

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/grace-millane-case-police-charge-first-person-with-suppression-breach-for-backpackers-killer/

Ironic, the guy breaching the suppression order has his name suppressed… Perhaps he will breach his own suppression order…….. Then he gets charged again and………………………………….
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December 20, 2019 3:03pm
Maggy Wassilieff

A call to action for VUW folk
VUW’s name change that isn’t a name change

http://wellington.scoop.co.nz/?p=124758#more-124758
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December 20, 2019 3:26pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Not Impeached/Impeached.
There is a lot of mis-information/fake news being spread by the loopy left.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mcconnell-impasse-trump-impeachment-trial-dems-cold-feet?fbclid=IwAR1eXeRYLApqDqAutXMCYlG5-PftPx_Slq_yreTMJsuBQ-nR2bGPmg3cxMI
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December 20, 2019 4:00pm
trout

Following on the Russia collusion hoax the next episode of ‘Dump Trump’ appears to have stalled. The Dems have been all over the sympathetic media with impeachment justification and ‘holier than thou’ sermons but the rubber has hit the road. A presentation of the impeachment articles to the Senate would open a whole new can of worms. The articles would immedately fail because they are unconstitutional and the Dems would be shown up to be purveyors of snake oil. So in sporting terms Pelosi is throwing in the towel rather than have Trump be aquitted and Biden and co be fully exposed for their dirty dealings in Ukraine and elswhere.
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December 20, 2019 4:01pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-12-19/trump-impeachment-delay-could-be-serious-problem-for-democrats?fbclid=IwAR3XMDHMXBIiOX3D5SL-oQirr5JtVxtWUcbmKV7GJhEx12q6a7AU659mAkQ
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December 20, 2019 4:03pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

You have to wonder how much money Trump has if he can hire the whole Democrat Party to run his re-election campaign
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December 20, 2019 4:06pm
Happychappy

Oh no Lundy has lost his bid for freedom when his appeal to the supreme court was dismissed. Will this be the end of proceedings or will he be able to just keep on a appealing like the obese German.
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December 20, 2019 4:08pm
Tall Man

In case the destruction of the labour in NZ is on the same level as the UK… I see someone’s already got a plan…

https://thehappyhousewife.com/home-management/?s=jacinda
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December 20, 2019 4:21pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

More Democrat shit.
President Trump has not formally been impeached due to an obvious sham. Now Schiff and the Demoncrats are going to try to do the same to Pence? In their craziness they believe they’re successful in doing both and with the President and Vice President ‘impeached’ that makes Pelosi the new president. HA! In your dreams!
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/12/breaking-adam-schiff-sets-eyes-on-pence-tells-msnbc-hes-acquired-evidence-from-vice-presidents-office-on-ukrainian-investigation/
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December 20, 2019 5:00pm
Inandout

SO, that Schiff would have to be the most devious mongrel imaginable, and absolute cad.
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December 20, 2019 5:15pm
mikenmildagain

Very sad story – fundie nutcases in California trying to resurrect dead 2-year-old:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/come-out-grave-jesus-name-california-church-prays-resurrect-girl-n1105246
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December 20, 2019 5:22pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Some of my workmates say I am mad. They have no idea of mad ……..
  
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  December 20, 2019 5:43pm
- Inandout
  
  Muhammed says you can be revived at the day of judgement.
  
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  December 20, 2019 5:56pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    That’s just crazy talk. When did he tell you that?
    
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    December 20, 2019 6:33pm
- nasska
  
  Typical of the gullible Godnutters. If the kid was resurrected it would be a miracle but when nothing happens it’s dollars to doughnuts that it’s “God’s Will”.
  
  They shouldn’t be allowed out of doors without supervision!
  
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  December 20, 2019 6:27pm
- Tall Man
  
  Needs a special prick like you to highlight it.
  
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  December 20, 2019 6:49pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://dailyworldupdate.us/supreme-court-can-extend-trumps-term-by-up-to-3-years-if-hes-acquitted-in-the-senate/?fbclid=IwAR3zBeNjUr0r84QotDzMgXbmkaU0kO7WHo_z9PLmeMmB6W3W10o_cM6tC2c
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December 20, 2019 6:06pm
- Stephieboy2
  
  “Can Supreme Court Extend Trump’s Term by 3 Years If He’s Acquitted in Senate?”
  
  A routine review of content labeled satire.
  
  https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/supreme-court-extend-trumps-term/
  
  The Mag is satirical!
  
  More here,
  
  https://dailyworldupdate.us
  
  LOL!
  
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  December 20, 2019 6:22pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Snopes”
    
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    December 20, 2019 6:28pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Edit. Snopes?
      
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      December 20, 2019 6:30pm
    - Stephieboy2
      
      Try this ,TRUTH OR FICTION?
      
      “Supreme Court Can Extend Trump’s Term By Up To 3 Years If He’s Acquitted In The Senate’”
      
      Disinformation, Fact Checks / By Kim LaCapria / December 16, 2019
      
      Claim
      
      The Supreme Court can extend U.S. President Donald Trump’s term by three years if he’s acquitted by the Senate.
      
      Rating
      
      Not True
      
      https://www.truthorfiction.com/supreme-court-can-extend-trumps-term-by-up-to-3-years-if-hes-acquitted-in-the-senate-facebook-share/
      
      Daily World update is satirical , dummies!
      
      Sheesh!
      
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      December 20, 2019 6:32pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  The Daily World Update’s tagline is ‘Satire for Flat Earthers, Trumpsters and Y’all Qaeda’.
  
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  December 20, 2019 6:37pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak68nGqpKq0&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR1HjJIFh_IgM0_DuAqZsWg5XSy5Lo4IYOZ3XTP_wvmjItdMd8y_vGZSSGk
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December 20, 2019 6:24pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  You lap this shit right up don’t you?
  
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  December 20, 2019 6:38pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Denial is not a river in Africa
    
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    December 21, 2019 8:46am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Dude, you linked to a site that announces itself as satire as if it were real news. Denial might be the least of your problems.
      
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      December 21, 2019 8:59am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        That was the previous post and link, you dork.
        Showing true colours of a leftie Mike – no sense of humour.
        Get out more ffs. Come to the Shore, I might take you to the Mokohinau islands to do some real fishing instead of online fishing
        
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        December 21, 2019 4:44pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        It is really not my fault that you are a gullible ignoramus.
        
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        December 21, 2019 5:48pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/118010350/how-a-13m-kiwi-meth-importation-ring-came-crashing-down

So this guy was apparently making $145,000 per year.
Not a shred of evidence of this in the article.
If the writer had any proof they should have published it.
Who said that he made $145,000 per year ?
Prove it !
I suspect that it is just a random figure designed to enhance the stupidity of the crime.
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December 20, 2019 6:35pm
- Tall Man
  
  Who seriously cares about his salary?
  
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  December 20, 2019 8:03pm
rightoverlabour

Remember this? ”
However, the warming is so far manifesting itself more in winters which are less cold than in much hotter summers. According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become “a very rare and exciting event”.

“Children just aren’t going to know what snow is,” he said.”

Hmm, Someone should have told the weather gods in Iceland..

https://watchers.news/2019/12/19/severe-blizzard-dumps-9-meters-snow-hofsos-iceland/
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December 20, 2019 10:39pm
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND – CHRISTHURCH …

The mayor, the wine and the Chinese restaurant … The Press

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/118331486/the-mayor-the-wine-and-the-chinese-restaurant?cid=app-iPad

It has been a week in the spotlight for the mayor of Christchurch, the city council’s electoral officer, and a modest Chinese restaurant.

As the week began, Christchurch mayor Lianne Dalziel was accused by election rival John Minto of “skirting around the law” over her mayoral campaign expenses.

When Dalziel was fundraising for her mayoral campaign this year, $40,100 came from a dinner and wine auction at the Southern Asia Restaurant in Colombo St organised by her husband, lawyer Rob Davidson.

Davidson had donated the wine, and Dalziel identified him alone as a donor at that event despite some bidders paying high prices for bottles. … read more via hyperlink above …
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December 21, 2019 12:37pm
mikenmildagain

So, how is this GD thread going?
Will we have a fresh one tomorrow?
Stay tuned.
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