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Maggie Pie

It’s beginning to cost a lot like Christmas.

😀
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December 11, 2019 8:01am
- buzzler
  
  Hey Maggie how about buying one of these for Christmas?
  https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/09/business/walmart-apology-santa-sweater/index.html
  
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  December 11, 2019 8:33am
  - chaos
    
    Saw that article the other day, loved it, sad people don’t have humour any more.
    
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    December 11, 2019 9:06am
- artemisia
  
  Christmas dinner for the gamers in the family – the Christmas Tinner. Cheap too. Non vegan versions also available, but why would you pass on the pigs in aubergine blankets, though I hope that is ‘pigs’ or there will be some hungry vegans on the day.
  
  https://metro.co.uk/2019/12/08/this-2-vegan-christmas-tinner-packs-three-courses-into-a-can-11410012/
  
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  December 11, 2019 9:05am
artemisia

Brexit, Actually.

BoJo cleverly channeling Hugh Grant (who is of course also door knocking). Mr Grant swipes back, reported in the Herald today..

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=513068995952552
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December 11, 2019 8:01am
- Yadayada
  
  Brilliant! It doesn’t matter what your opinion on the issue is, that is a very, very good advertisement.
  
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  December 11, 2019 8:33am
- mandk
  
  Ah yes, Hugh Grant – working tirelessly to subvert the will of the British people.
  
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  December 11, 2019 9:34am
  - lifesgood
    
    I’ve got two words to say to him – Divine Brown.
    
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    December 11, 2019 11:46am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Ha ha – Maybe starring as the ghastly Jeremy Thorpe in “A Very English Scandal” has turned Hugh Grant into some sort of Politician wannabe.
    But not even Hugh could be as awful as Thorpe, surely.
    
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    December 11, 2019 11:47am
skyblue

First?
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December 11, 2019 8:03am
- skyblue
  
  Apparently not. Have a great day everyone.
  
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  December 11, 2019 8:23am
  - Tall Man
    
    Looking like a cracker down my way.
    
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    December 11, 2019 8:47am
    - skyblue
      
      Said Alf to Grant.
      Auckland looking good today as well.
      
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      December 11, 2019 9:22am
      - Tall Man
        
        I feel a little bit ill now……..
        
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        December 11, 2019 9:52am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  Anyone watching in 2019?
  
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  December 11, 2019 1:46pm
sooty

8.06 and am I the first? Who cares as it would take how many hours to make it out of moderation!

[Mod – I’m happy to delete your comment if you want. ]
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December 11, 2019 8:04am
- Michael
  
  downtick to the Mod!
  
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  December 11, 2019 8:45am
Captain Mainwaring

Without wishing to downplay the tragedy of White Island, this island has been in my life for seventy years, yet it was only yesterday that I was aware that it had an alternative Maori name.
What happened to make me realise that?
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December 11, 2019 8:05am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  That would have been the current popular movement to replace English with Te Reo to increase the “righteousness” of the publisher. The New Zealand Herald has heavily invested in this movement, and has bought up nearly all the sources of macrons in this country.
  
  Rumor has it that the shortage will lead to the importation of second-hand macrons from Japan (that the Japanese have used in their old Hepburn Romanji system). The chief danger of this, as some have pointed out, is that these over-used imported macrons can fail vowel stress tests, which can lead to further misunderstanding.
  
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  December 11, 2019 8:16am
  - Prince
    
    Travelled on Air NZ domestic yesterday.
    The pilot’s comments were largely in Maori. 99% of passengers wouldn’t have a clue what he was saying. Not that it mattered.
    
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    December 11, 2019 8:33am
    - Jules99
      
      Similar on the south Auckland train line. Probably quite a few Maori on the train, though still less than half, and most of those probably wouldn’t understand it either.
      
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      December 11, 2019 11:00am
    - Liberty
      
      Are the pilot’s comments in Maori or is it just appalling elocution or crap technology .
      But sadly it typical for when the Capt does their “This is the Captain speaking”
      Keeping the public informed whether in the plane or in the terminal should be Air New Zealand first priority. Unfortunately they let themselves down badly at times.
      
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      December 11, 2019 11:20am
  - freethinker
    
    Macrons like the president of the same name are just tiny irritants that will eventually be swatted like a noisy mosquito.
    
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    December 11, 2019 10:35am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  I love the way the local maori are saying how precious White Island is to them and they can’t rest until the bodies are removed and yet, this piece of preciousness, was sold to a pale stale male in 1936!
  
  How long before the claim is made to return the island to the local bludging tribe?
  
  Precious, my arse, profit more the like – Jim Royale
  
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  December 11, 2019 8:16am
  - artemisia
    
    White Island is not going to have a protest occupation for a while though.
    
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    December 11, 2019 8:26am
    - Tall Man
      
      I’ve got mates with boats up there, I’ll fund the transport.
      
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      December 11, 2019 8:45am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        I’m in so long as we can do a spot of fishing while there.
        
        Best Kingy’s and most sharks ever!
        
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        December 11, 2019 9:32am
  - tedbear
    
    Heard during tv news some Maoris say its precious and means so much because the steam arising from the crater comes from Hawaii.
    If it’s all so precious they should’ve hung on to it and be living on the island.
    
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    December 11, 2019 8:33am
  - tedbear
    
    I wonder how many $$$ the taxpayers gave the Ngāti Awa leader for doing that rāhui thing.
    
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    December 11, 2019 9:02am
    - freethinker
      
      A lot less than the cost of a successful prosecution of the IWI running the tours I hope.
      
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      December 11, 2019 10:41am
      - Jack5
        
        White Island Tours, Ltd, owned by Ngati Awa Group Holdings, Ltd, of Whakatane, is registered as a charity and does not have to pay company tax.
        
        Thirteen Ngati Awa companies are charities under the group registration of the tribe. It has followed Ngai Tahu down the path of charity registration. This gives the tribe’s companies some competitive advantage against rivals in that, as charities, they do not have to pay tax on their profits.
        
        When you seek financial details of White Island Tours at the Charities Register you are referred to Ngati Awa Group Holdings, which does not break out this information.
        
        Ngati Awa Group Holdings’ latest financial return at the Charities site is 18 months old – it’s the year ended 30 June 2018. That year, it reported revenue of $8.546 million, and a profit of $5.826 million.
        
        The group lists the exclusive landing right at White Island among its assets. The group carries goodwill of $2.9 million related to the tribe’s purchase of White Island Tours.
        
        The Companies Office records show that Ngati Awa Investments changed its name to White Island Tours on 1 May 2017.
        
        White Island Tours had been operating for 25 years. The sale included White Island Rendezvous, a 38-room motel with a villa, bungalow and micro-village, as well as a cafe.
        
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        December 11, 2019 2:50pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The island had been purchased in 1874 by John Wilson.
    https://teara.govt.nz/en/biographies/2w29/wilson-john-alexander
    
    There had been a Land Court hearing in 1867 about claims to ownership of the island.
    https://forms.justice.govt.nz/search/Documents/WT/wt_DOC_93963650/Wai%20153%2C%20C004.pdf
    
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    December 11, 2019 9:35am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    H2S and SO2 gasses are both expected to be present–the first one is a one sniff and done for. SO2 is a precurser of sulphuric acid.
    
    There is good reason why White Island was out of bounds for many years. It can never be regarded as safe as no one can make an accurate prediction as to it’s behaviour.
    No one should be lamed for the present disaster, too many people have been willing to take the risk.
    
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    December 11, 2019 1:22pm
  - GJM
    
    less likely to have a land claim now the tourist business has died off…
    Not as much money to be made. the tour operators were local iwi anyway as i recall.
    
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    December 11, 2019 2:55pm
- igm
  
  Let us all realise left-wing media are sneaking in Maori place names like slithering unwanted leeches.
  There is one on ZB that actually salivates when she lets strip with this rubbish and is really concerning that we are subject to this subterfuge to push a vile agenda.
  
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  December 11, 2019 8:17am
  - rockape
    
    I live in Wakefield near Nelson Tasman, Stuff Them
    
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    December 11, 2019 1:10pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The pronunciation is bad too.
    
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    December 11, 2019 1:23pm
- srylands
  
  It was changed about 20 years ago but I wasn’t aware either.
  
  But that is the world we are now in. I’m ok with Maori names, less so with exclusive Maori names. So for example a governance committee might exclusively be called “poutokomanawa” with no English translation.
  
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  December 11, 2019 8:19am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Giving a government department, committee or agency an exclusively Te Reo name (with no official English name) will get peoples’ backs up (I think that is the English term to use).
    
    If you want to put a language out of favor, then use it to bully people with.
    
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    December 11, 2019 8:23am
    - srylands
      
      Well I’m sorry but that ship has sailed. You will not find anyone openly objecting.
      
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      December 11, 2019 8:42am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        No employee of a government department, committee or agency or “woke” media outlet will willingly put their job or pension on the line.
        
        “The nail that sticks up, gets hit!”
        
        Fear keeps them in line.
        
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        December 11, 2019 9:28am
      - Batman
        
        Odakyu – you are massively out of touch. No public sector employee employed within the last 25 years has a pension programme (aside from Kiwisaver of course, which can’t be touched).
        
        There are probably a few lifers hanging around who might have one, but you could count those on your fingers as most will have retired by now.
        
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        December 11, 2019 11:59am
    - Michael
      
      Maorism is Bullying because it is Jihad from 17% against the remainder.
      The struggle is assymetrical brothers.
      
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      December 11, 2019 8:53am
      - Tall Man
        
        17%…..
        
        Not sure about that anymore. I have rellies that are less than 10% but they identify where the rewards are.
        
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        December 11, 2019 9:54am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Remember the Soweto Riots in 1976 were triggered because the Govt of the day wanted to force Black Education through the medium of Afrikaans. Many Blacks referred to Afrikaans as the Language of the Oppressor, although it is still the most spoken language in South Africa. Language forced on a nation never has desirable results. Te Reo could land up being hated, rather than embraced.
      
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      December 11, 2019 10:24am
      - Batman
        
        Idiotic. So all the pakeha folks are going to riot to escape the oppression of some Te Reo being blended into everyday language?
        
        Truly the thinking of someone who has never had to experience any culture or change at all.
        
        I assume you never go to Taupo, Whangarei, Whakatane, Kapiti, Whanganui, Paihia etc?
        
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        December 11, 2019 12:32pm
    - freethinker
      
      And us whiteys can fight back by adding the word shit to the end of every [Deleted – Mod] phrase.
      
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      December 11, 2019 10:44am
      - chaos
        
        You mean racists like you.
        
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        December 11, 2019 11:21am
      - sooty
        
        And me. More it’s forced the more I’ll did my toes in!
        
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        December 11, 2019 12:36pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      A language can only be official if the words used are actually used already in the proper context in the language. Inventing new forms and uses is improper, even more so when grammar and context is ignored.
      There is no apparent authority for these new uses.
      
      Legal issues could arise. Say, for example, a warning in pidgin te reo was ignored. The wrong use of a hybrid does not make it correct or lawful.
      
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      December 11, 2019 1:29pm
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      We live under a kind of woke, totalitarian soft-fascism. You needn’t have a gun pointed at you these days (that was so 20th century)– all it takes to be kept in line is a constant social pressure (via Twitter etc) to conform or be cast out. People feel they have to go along to get along. Resist, I say.
      
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      December 11, 2019 1:51pm
- oldpark
  
  @CW .
  Better than that . Did you know in 1914 Ten people were killed when there also was an eruption.
  At that time the manufactured name other than “White Island” had not been invented. Seems the original name is causing the luvvies to get their knickers in a huge twist. No show without punch. What next . “White Island” name completely erased in favour of ? go figure.
  
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  December 11, 2019 8:21am
  - Evadne
    
    The miners died in a landslide in 1914, not an eruption.
    
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    December 11, 2019 8:53am
    - lifesgood
      
      It was a lahar caused by volcanic activity…not a simple landslide.
      
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      December 11, 2019 11:51am
  - chaos
    
    1849 the name goes back to
    
    * The Māori name Whakaari is recorded in multiple 19th century texts by Europeans, with one mention dating back to 1849, though spelling varied including Wakaari, Whakari, and Whaka ari.[12] The name Whakaari means “to make visible” or “exposed to view”.[13] The full Māori name for the island is te puia whakaari, meaning “The Dramatic Volcano”.[14]*
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whakaari/White_Island
    
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    December 11, 2019 9:12am
    - freethinker
      
      So Whakaari [don’t test the mods patience] ]has different meanings depending upon the context?
      
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      December 11, 2019 10:46am
- Maggie Pie
  
  And this could be another reason Capt’n?
  
  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ELYiVRPU0AEheFN?format=jpg&name=small
  
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  December 11, 2019 8:23am
  - Harlequin
    
    The expressions on the faces of the others there and the body language of the guy with his arms folded says it all.
    
    “F off and let us get on with it”.
    
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    December 11, 2019 8:41am
    - freethinker
      
      Or hope Im not next.
      
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      December 11, 2019 10:47am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    The events of the last couple of days have convinced me that we should repackage Cindy as ‘NZ Grief Counsellor’ and give the job of running the country to someone else (like National).
    
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    December 11, 2019 8:59am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      For me, its the size of Jacinda’s greenstone Maori earrings she’s wearing in that pic that was the real giveaway 😀
      
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      December 11, 2019 9:15am
      - Scooter
        
        Reminds me of the “ear goop” scene on There’s Something About Mary movie.
        
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        December 11, 2019 9:25am
      - Lizziep
        
        Oh me too I couldn’t believe the size of them Maggi.
        
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        December 11, 2019 10:36am
    - oldpark
      
      @CW 8.59am.
      Was surprised she didnt turn up wearing an Australian Slouch hat with corks intact when she went for her photo opportunites. Just saying.
      
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      December 11, 2019 9:32am
      - Sideoiler
        
        Was surprised she didnt turn up wearing an Australian Slouch hat with corks intact when she went for her photo opportunites. Just saying.
        
        Saving that for the funerals I suspect
        
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        December 11, 2019 10:03am
      - sooty
        
        Wearing her flip flops, carrying the esky, along with a boomerang tucked in the back of her knickers.
        
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        December 11, 2019 12:40pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      ☑️☑️
      
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      December 11, 2019 1:31pm
  - Ruawai
    
    She does hugs very well and also speaking with empathy, I assume she learnt this skill listening to her fathers sermons.
    
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    December 11, 2019 9:05am
    - oldpark
      
      @Ruawai
      Maybe learned to hug at university. Seems she was a legend at Waikato University. Go figure that one.
      
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      December 11, 2019 9:27am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        Hugging, Hoovering, starts with the same letter….
        
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        December 11, 2019 10:25am
  - softail 1450
    
    M P, Oh God that is so barf enducing, and the others are just ” where’s your hijab” talk about posed photo opps ,FFS.
    This creature can spot someone needing a hug from 5000 metres but only if there is a camera present.
    
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    December 11, 2019 9:14am
    - sooty
      
      Have you seen the exspession on the face, when she’s doing it!
      To me all it is only the photo op!
      
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      December 11, 2019 12:43pm
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    Maggy
    Cindy(tm) really is constructed of plastic.
    
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    December 11, 2019 1:55pm
- MCos
  
  I wondered that myself so I looked it up.
  Prior to Capt Cook, who named it White because of its appearance, it was called Whakaari by Maori.
  Somewhere along the line it became known as White Island (Whakaari) and then in 1997 it was gazetted as Whakaari/White Island.
  It is owned by the Buttle Family Trust or the Whakaari Trust depending on the source.
  
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  December 11, 2019 8:32am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The Whakaari Trust, which owns the island, is managed by Whakaari Management Limited which comprises three directors – who are also brothers: James Buttle, Andrew Buttle and Peter Buttle.
    
    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/questions-raised-over-had-authority-stop-tour-groups-operating-whakaari-white-island
    
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    December 11, 2019 9:06am
  - Jack5
    
    MCos notes: “…in 1997 it was gazetted as Whakaari/White Island.”
    
    The New Zealand Geographic Board, at present in the domain of Green Minister Eugenie Sage, crusades to re-Maorify New Zealand place names.
    
    Gazetted today – another James Cook bestowed name targeted. In 1770, on his first trip to New Zealand, Cook named a magnificent southern fiord Dusky Bay.
    
    According to Wikipedia:”It is believed that Maori occasionally camped by the sound’s waters while hunting moa in pre-European times.”
    
    Since then, humans there have been mainly sealers, whalers, Southland fishermen, and hunters.
    
    From today, the official name is: Tamatea/Dusky Sound.
    
    The board could have ruled that Tamatea is the official Maori name, and Dusky Sound is the official English name, and that they should be used thus in the respective languages.
    
    However, the ultimate goal for alternative names seems to be establishing the Maori name in English as well as in Maori.
    
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    December 11, 2019 4:13pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      So what? What is so special about the name ‘Dusky Sound’?
      
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      December 11, 2019 4:29pm
      - Jack5
        
        What’s so special about “Tamatea”, Milky?
        According to an online Maori-English dictionary it means “moon, on eighth night of the lunar month”.
        
        If you venture to the far south from Wellington or Hutt Valley, or wherever you lurk, Milky, you might agree the name “Dusky” fits the beauty of the fiord in the soft southern light.
        
        “Tamatea” as name for the sound is pushed in a Te Papa exhibition of the museum’s painting of Dusky by William Hodges, who was the official artist on Cook’s Resolution on its 1773 visit to the fiord.
        
        Regardless, if the Geographic Board didn’t have an indigenous axe to grind, it would declare alternative names for the fiord: Dusky Sound in the English language, Tamatea in Maori.
        
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        December 11, 2019 5:24pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I’ve been aware of the Maori name for the last couple of years as our Neighbour’s new baby was named Whakaari; her older brother was Wharekauri (Chatham Is.).
  
  As my mother (and a couple of other whanau) was named after our ancestral island – Iona – I take notice of folks named after islands.
  
  (I have a Tongan friend whose eldest son is named Tonga).
  
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  December 11, 2019 9:00am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Some good friends of ours in Remmers have a son at Kings Prep named Rupert.
    
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    December 11, 2019 9:20am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      One of the younger rellies consulted with their favourite auntie for a middle name for their new baby boy. As they had already departed from tradition for his first name, I said go with his birth place – Taranaki – but for some odd reason, they chose a Scottish name.
      
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      December 11, 2019 10:09am
      - lifesgood
        
        Oh man, don’t blame them. What sort of Aunty are you?
        
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        December 11, 2019 11:55am
      - sooty
        
        Some people should not be allowed to bred, and you wonder why some kids murder their parents!
        
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        December 11, 2019 12:48pm
      - sam green
        
        [mod: there was no purpose to this comment other than to harass. Be best, Sam.]
        
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        December 11, 2019 10:17pm
- Michael Rodent
  
  Interesting that the tour operator (owned by the local tribe Ngati Awa) is called White Island Tours. So the local Maori don’t see the necessity to change the name to Whakaari Tours. Apparently the change of name is only important to woke “journalists”, autocue readers and the like.
  
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  December 11, 2019 9:30am
  - tf78
    
    Whakaari is probably to put future tourists off the scent when booking for White Island tours.
    
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    December 11, 2019 10:22am
artemisia

I nominate Cactus Kate for the quote of the year for her/his/their description of the rules for woke appointments. QCs in this case, see her/his/their latest blog post.

every Tamati, Dick(less) and Harriet
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December 11, 2019 8:05am
- peterwn
  
  I assume she is right in saying that there were 35000 lawyers called to the bar and 315 QC’s (and KC’s) appointed in NZ’s history. What would be interesting is to know how many of the 35000 lawyers were full time active barristers (specialising in representing clients in the High Court and above). It is from this group that QC’s and High Court judges are appointed.
  There was an instance some years back where Auckland’s most prominent criminal lawyer was passed over for a QC appointment because as he put it ‘he did not have drinkies at the Northern Club’. Yet if there was trouble at Auckland Prison, the prison authorities would ask that he go there to help calm things down which he did (surely that sort of service would be a significant point in favour of a QC appointment).
  He was finally made a QC. His earnings would have been a pittance compared with the top commercial lawyers (eg Mr Craddock who was there for some purposes but not other purposes at the winebox enquiry).
  
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  December 11, 2019 9:02am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    One is reminded of Will the Bards suggestion as to lawyers.
    
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    December 11, 2019 9:25am
rightoverlabour

So this is NOT like Pike River?

Seems awfully similar. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/118058738/live-white-island-erupts

Labour’s Pike River. Has a nice ring to it. Goes well with

Arderne’s Pike River or Nash’s Pike River.

The bottom line is experts who do this stuff every day reckon it can be done but Plod gets in the way. Why?
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December 11, 2019 8:06am
- niggly
  
  Perhaps the Police need to be relieved of being in charge in a civil defence type emergency, and hand that responsibility over to say for example NZ Fire and Emergency, as they have experience in dealing with disasters and saving people’s lives when surrounded by danger?
  
  I mean imagine if the status quo remained and at some point in the future the Police start stopping the fire brigade from doing their job:
  
  Plod: “Oi fireman, I see you are wearing breathing apparatus which means the air is toxic, yet you want to enter a burning house to put out a fire and save lives? No way! Stay out of the way whilst I put up orange cones and tape preventing anyone from entering the property, it’s just too dangerous, we’ll instead let the house burn down and check for survivors when it is safe to enter, which will probably be tomorrow”!
  
  Disclaimer: I’m not attacking everyday Police members who do a fantastic job, I’m aiming more at Police HQ’s top cops who don’t do anything to change the status quo and send out edicts!
  
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  December 11, 2019 9:02am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Yup, that’s my frustration as well. Top Brass seldom have any idea of what’s going on the ground and usually fuck it up. Hillsborough, Pike River, its same in most places. And I suspect it is why so many good cops chuck it in.
    
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    December 11, 2019 9:14am
  - 453mm
    
    Multi-agency responses are conducted using CIMS (Coordinated Incident Management System) as mandated by the Civil Defence Emergency Management (CDEM) Act 2002
    
    https://www.civildefence.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/CIMS-3rd-edition-FINAL-Aug-2019.pdf
    
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    December 11, 2019 9:26am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    The real heroes in this disaster were the helicopter pilots and their crews. They put their own lives in danger to rescue the wounded.
    No public hugging or press stops, just went way above what was expected by the public.
    I salute them, heroes in every sense of the word.
    The death toll would have been much greater without them working under their own rules.
    Government agencies could learn much from these heroes.
    Hugs after the event pale into insignificance by comparison.
    
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    December 11, 2019 9:54am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I’d like to hear more from the 2 Indonesian Doctors who attended the injured…
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/118095618/whakaariwhite-island-indonesian-doctors-on-fishing-holiday-raced-to-help-victims
      
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      December 11, 2019 10:16am
      - Max Sky
        
        So sorry Maggie I accidentally downvoted your comment, I agree with you true heroes and the pilots not the hugger!
        
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        December 11, 2019 12:16pm
  - Tall Man
    
    You have a good point there. In many countries now “firemen” control most accidents and emergencies as first responders. I think that has merit.
    
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    December 11, 2019 9:57am
  - Jules99
    
    Can’t help thinking our defence force would have this cracked quickly and efficiently. Better than the police anyway.
    
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    December 11, 2019 11:10am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Our Defence Force has to prepare for the Climate Crisis.
      
      Question No. 8—Defence
      8. GOLRIZ GHAHRAMAN (Green) to the Minister of Defence: What actions is the New Zealand Defence Force taking to reflect its shift in focus to addressing climate change?
      
      https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansD_20191210_20191210
      
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      December 11, 2019 11:29am
      - Tall Man
        
        Shooting those with gas guzzling cars?
        
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        December 11, 2019 11:35am
- chaos
  
  How did the police get in the way, the survivors were rescued. Westpac rescue helicopter landed on White Island and the medics on board searched and then made the call that there was no one else who could be rescued. The police helicopter flew over searching for survivors. And the police cannot start the body recovery until they are advised by geonet that it is safe to do so. Hmmm, so again how are the police getting in the way
  
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  December 11, 2019 9:14am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    Can’t get in the way of a helicopter.
    
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    December 11, 2019 9:37am
    - chaos
      
      Sure you can which is why the westpac crew were tasked with the job to go out and make the call that there was no one else to rescue.
      
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      December 11, 2019 9:53am
cut n paster

Contestants line up at COP25 Madrid, showing why there has been so little concrete progress…
https://ibb.co/2ccgDGK
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December 11, 2019 8:08am
- sooty
  
  Looks like Greta been pushed aside by moi!
  Moi, is much more important!
  
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  December 11, 2019 9:21am
Scott

One of the claims made by the Obama administration was that it was “scandal free”. However despite what the mainstream media may say, the recently released Inspector General report by Horowitz shows that there were multiple omissions and inaccuracies on the application supplied to the FISA court to spy on Carter Page. Obama’s FBI used spies and informants to spy on the Trump campaign.

The Inspector General’s report also notes that Comey told them that he briefed Pres Obama and his national security team about the FBI’s investigation into the Trump campaign in August 2016. This means that Pres Obama was fully aware that his top law enforcement agency was investigating his political rivals campaign just months before election day.

Joe Biden was aware of it too. In fact Joe Biden directly participated in situation room meetings in 2016 with former CIA director John Brennan and others who made up the Trump/Russia collusion hoax.

The FBI and the special Council Robert Mueller knew that Trump was innocent very early in the piece. However they continued the investigation for two years, destroying people’s lives including Paul Manafort who was held in solitary confinement for months and Gen Flynn and they are still pursuing Roger Stone.

This is a huge scandal which makes Watergate look small-time in comparison. One can only hope that after John Durham the special prosecutor does his work that those responsible for this collusion hoax and attempt to overthrow the duly elected president of the United States will be held accountable.

https://amgreatness.com/2019/12/09/obama-and-biden-three-scandals-one-day/
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December 11, 2019 8:09am
- Vory v zakone
  
  Don’t worry Scott, it’s now Hammer Time …
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  #WWG1WGA
  
  https://youtu.be/RD8KGH6DivI
  
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  December 11, 2019 8:31am
- fernglas
  
  Flynn pleaded guilty, Manafort was found guilty by a jury. Unless there’s something wrong with catching crooks, of course.
  
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  December 11, 2019 8:38am
  - Michael
    
    Flynn pleaded guilty to avoid total destruction and family grief.
    But you knew that fernglas didn’t you?
    
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    December 11, 2019 8:56am
    - fernglas
      
      I’ve heard a lot of guilty people say exactly that. It doesn’t ring any truer from the mouth of a general than that of a fraudster.
      
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      December 11, 2019 11:51am
  - Fletch
    
    The summary of Flynn’s interview testimony (his “302”) was altered seven months after the fact, most likely by Sztrok and McCabe.
    
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/the-michael-flynn-smoking-gun-fbi-headquarters-altered-interview-summary
    
    https://thefederalist.com/2018/12/13/federal-judge-overseeing-michael-flynns-sentencing-just-dropped-major-bombshell/
    
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    December 11, 2019 10:11am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Just process crimes…
    
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    December 11, 2019 10:53am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Yes, indeed, but if one was investigated for, say, obstruction of justice for deleting emails subject to a subpoena, then even though you lie like a flatfish to the FBI, they will (if you are a Democrat) give you complete immunity and never bother to question you again or use the info you could provide to indict other people implicated in the crime.
      
      So there’s obviously process crimes and process crimes – it just depends on your political affiliation as to whether any charges are laid.
      
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      December 11, 2019 11:34am
  - Ed Snack
    
    But only some crooks. Manafort worked hand in glove alongside the Podesta brothers, who (as befits those who have the “D” flag by their names) have not even been investigated to our knowledge.
    
    Flynn’s culpability is yet to be finally decided, he was certainly placed under extreme pressure to induce a plea bargain (essentially bankrupted, his son threatened with the same treatment). The prosecutors have been shown to have acted unethically and concealed exculpatory evidence from the court. So I put this in the “unresolved” basket, sentencing (and possible dismissal) is now January 2020 or later.
    
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    December 11, 2019 11:31am
    - IC5000
      
      While we’re on the subject of trumps criminal associates how is Roger ‘stone cold loser’ Stone faring in custody while awaiting sentencing?
      
      On the bright side at least he’ll be able to interview well endowed men to entertain his wife while doing his time in Club Fed.
      
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      December 11, 2019 1:47pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        He’s not in custody
        He’s been allowed to travel overseas
        You are so ignorant
        Funny to watch actually
        Lol
        
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        December 11, 2019 8:39pm
      - IC5000
        
        Thanks for the update. He is being sentenced on the 6th of February.
        
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        December 11, 2019 8:48pm
- SGA
  
  Cambridge Dictionary
  overthrow – to defeat or remove someone from power, using force.
  coup – a sudden illegal, often violent, taking of government power, especially by part of an army
  
  Even if you think Trump’s impeachment proceedings may be unfair, inappropriate, nasty, whatever, they fall well short of the usual criteria to be called an “overthrow” or a “coup”. It is a legal proceeding deliberately included in the constitution to address wrongdoing by a duly elected POTUS.
  
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  December 11, 2019 8:39am
  - Scott
    
    SGA – that’s the claim – that the FBI, the intelligence community generally, the Democrats with Russian help, the Justice Department and the mainstream media particularly the Washington Post, CNN and the New York Times, conspired to try and overthrow the duly elected president of the United States. They did it by labelling him as a traitor to his country who was in league with the Russians to steal the election from Hillary Clinton. And he should be impeached and thrown out of office immediately!
    
    That’s the narrative that divided the country and still divides the country.
    
    Fortunately the attorney general is onto it and his prosecutor John Durham is onto it and a criminal investigation is going on into the nefarious activity of the above.
    
    We note that the FBI comes out terribly. The FBI director Christopher Wray is now in the hot seat. Pres Trump just tweeted this –
    “I don’t know what report current Director of the FBI Christopher Wray was reading, but it sure wasn’t the one given to me. With that kind of attitude, he will never be able to fix the FBI, which is badly broken despite having some of the greatest men & women working there!”
    
    I don’t think FBI director Wray is feeling very comfortable right now?!
    
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    December 11, 2019 11:03am
    - SGA
      
      SGA – that’s the claim – that the FBI, the intelligence community generally, the Democrats with Russian help, the Justice Department and the mainstream media particularly the Washington Post, CNN and the New York Times, conspired to try and overthrow the duly elected president of the United States.
      
      Sure, to those for whom Trump is some sort of political messiah, it is variously the FBI, CIA, NSA, DoJ, the liberal media, the Democrats, the Jewish conspiracy, Deep State, RINO’s and Republican Never-Trumpers (just to name some culprits off the top of my head). It is all a vast conspiracy, and misusing words such as “overthrow” or “coup” just add to that drama.
      
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      December 11, 2019 1:17pm
      - Scott
        
        SGA – the facts are not just for those who think well of Donald Trump. The facts are the same for everybody. And the facts seem to indicate that the whole United States political system was thrown into turmoil by the claim that the president of the United States was a Russian agent!
        
        The facts are that there is no evidence that the president of the United States was a Russian agent. So how did this get started? And how did the country get held hostage by this investigation that lasted three years?
        
        Those are the facts which remain the same regardless of political persuasion.
        
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        December 11, 2019 1:59pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        No one seriously believes TЯump is a Russian agent. He is an unwitting Russian asset.
        
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        December 11, 2019 2:10pm
      - SGA
        
        And the facts seem to indicate that the whole United States political system was thrown into turmoil by the claim that the president of the United States was a Russian agent!
        
        “Russian agent” is a minority view even among Trump’s detractors, isn’t it? As I recall, it was an issue of whether or not the Russian government had interfered in the USA election (in and of itself, a serious issue), and then if Trump or members of his campaign were privy (or perhaps even party) to such interference. Is that right? Donald Trump, “Russian Agent”, is unnecessary for that.
        
        “Russian agent”, “coup”, “overthrow” – it’s all a bit melodramatic for me, Scott.
        
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        December 11, 2019 2:45pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Yet, as the Russian intention was to disrupt the US political system and to cultivate distrust in the US political system, only one party is really on board with that – the Democrats. Everything they have done for the past near 3 years has almost exactly directly supported the Russian intent.
        
        The only real Russian stooges are Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff, and the majority of the Democrat party. They are doing exactly what Putin, were he the political mastermind alleged, would want them to do.
        
        The “Trump is a Russian Stooge” story is just the usual leftist projection, writ large.
        
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        December 11, 2019 5:27pm
    - IC5000
      
      You need to outline the Freemason connection to the deep state conspiracy. They control everything.
      
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      December 11, 2019 1:50pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Don’t forget Comet Pizza, Agenda 21, FEMA concentration camps, Jade Helm, Deep State, cultural Marxism, crisis actors, HAARP, Illuminati, Judeo-Bolshevism, liberal media, men in black, new world order, Antifa, one world government, fluoridation, and white genocide.
        
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        December 11, 2019 2:18pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        And of course all the poor starving immigrant children in cages…
        
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        December 11, 2019 5:27pm
      - IC5000
        
        We really shouldn’t be talking about this stuff in the open. Hilary Clinton has black ops hit squads targeting anyone who knows the truth.
        
        My prayers are with you all.
        
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        December 11, 2019 8:15pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Devon Nunes report has been shown to be completely accurate
  No word as yet what the Cow thinks
  
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  December 11, 2019 8:45am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Yes, and the “much praised by the media” minority report from Schiff has been shown to be full of complete falsehoods. Lies which Schiff (who had access to exactly the same documents and sources as Nunes) must have known were falsehoods when he released them.
    
    But that’s obviously OK as he’s a Democrat and thus gets a free pass for mendacity from the media.
    
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    December 11, 2019 11:37am
- Stephieboy2
  
  Well realtive to the Trump administration it was squeaky clean!
  
  Fact!
  
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  December 11, 2019 9:55am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Now that the inspector-general’s report has not provided the dirt required, the Trumpkins will turn to eager expectation of results from the Durham investigation. When that fails to live up to expectations, however, there will always be Butt Hunter, Ben Ghazi and the Buttery males to fall back on.
  
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  December 11, 2019 10:52am
  - Ed Snack
    
    IG’s report can’t provide “dirt” as such, but it is a damning report on the FBI and the integrity of the FISA process.
    
    There will be prosecutions, Baker for leaking, the lawyer who changed an email to reverse the content of the evidence provided for a FISA application. Can you imagine the chutzpah of getting a FISA warrant on Carter Page by alleging that he was the agent of a foreign government while at the same time knowing that he was an active CIA source informing on that same government ?
    
    And there’s a lot more. It is reasonably likely that the prime source of the Steele Dossier was none other than Halper – who just happens to be a CIA source and operative. It is redacted in the IG report, but Steele admits that none of his reporting has direct from sources, but third or fourth hand at best. And when interviewed in January 2017 the primary sub-source specifically noted that the info was hearsay and often very doubtful hearsay at that (off-hand comment over drinks !). So the FBI knew for certain in Jan 2017 that the dossier was rubbish AND that it was paid for by the Clinton campaign, yet they continued to use it. That shows extreme bad faith at the very best.
    
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    December 11, 2019 11:50am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Um, there is nothing in Horowitz’s report to justify any prosecutions. Making that nonsenscial case is now up to Durham.
      
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      December 11, 2019 1:58pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Horowitz cannot compel testimony and has no way to do anything to former members of the bureaucracy. Not sure if you noticed but the entire top level of the FBI has been fired or resigned over the last 2-3 years. Horowitz also cannot gather testimony from foreigners about any links, so people like Mifsud and the overseas Halper were not questioned. Others (including I believe Comey) refused to answer. Horowitz also has to take statements of intent at face value.
        
        Durham however has empanelled at least one and mostly several Grand Juries, has subpoena powers, and can compel testimony.
        
        One example in the Horowitz report, DOJ Lawyer Clinesmith is alleged to have materially altered an email to reverse the meaning to support an extension of the FISA warrant. He added a comment that Carter Page was NOT a CIA asset when the original stated that he was. That’s perjury in presenting material to the court, and perverting the course of Justice. That’s normally a criminal action. Others are under criminal investigation for leaking, and all the $ paid to CIA asset Halper are under investigation – he was paid over $1M for 4 reports that were not presented, and it is possible if not likely that he is in fact Steele’s primary sub-source (not confirmed though).
        
        Oh there’s criminal actions to be prosecuted, and trying to set the narrative to undermine Durham is in itself obstruction of Justice as some people may well learn.
        
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        December 11, 2019 5:37pm
- freethinker
  
  Yes and despite Shifty’s & Pelosi’s obstruction by refusing evidence from republicans etc once the matter goes to the Senate Subpoenas will descend like confetti and then the fun starts – Comey, Brandon, Mueller, Schiff, Pelose, Killary and O Bastard testifying will be so much fun that Popcorn and beer will be in short supply.
  
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  December 11, 2019 11:00am
G152

Looks like my cousin lost a helicopter on White Island.
How did those rotors get so bent???
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December 11, 2019 8:09am
- cmm
  
  Heat maybe?
  
  The rotors are quite likely made from some reenforced epoxy composite and lose their mojo when hit by hot gas.
  
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  December 11, 2019 8:38am
- rightoverlabour
  
  The helicopter is dislodged off the landing pad. Probably the lateral blast was so intense it pushed the helicopter off and either the blades bent on touching the ground or the blast just bent them.
  
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  December 11, 2019 8:59am
- sam green
  
  Perhaps the police did it ….
  
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  December 11, 2019 11:51am
  - sooty
    
    Too make it look like a bigger crime scene!
    
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    December 11, 2019 12:53pm
- cmm
  
  If you look carefully at the picture it is bloody obvious
  
  Taniwha teeth marks.
  
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  December 11, 2019 2:50pm
JibberJabber

It is now evident that if you are unfortunate enough to be caught in a natural or unnatural disaster, you are on your own.
The police hierarchy are terrified of the clip board waving Jobsworths of Worksafe.
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December 11, 2019 8:09am
- niggly
  
  Will the gutless Police hierarchy challenge the politicians and say health and safety over the top regulations have gone too far?
  
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  December 11, 2019 8:47am
- alex Masterley
  
  Don’t you mean “wokesafe”?
  
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  December 11, 2019 8:50am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Yup, very sad day, but what is more infuriating is that they are preventing volunteers from having a go, especially those who are aware of the risks. I would wager that the volcano won’t blow like that for quite a long time now, unless there is a major change in the underlying magma dynamics. It was a steam explosion, not a magma one, and it takes time for steam to build up pressure again after a large blast.
  
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  December 11, 2019 9:03am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The place is well known for sulphur. It doesn’t have to visibly explode to release highly dangerous vapours. Hydrogen sulphide can kill from a single breath and sulphur dioxide charms the lungs–mixed with water it creates sulphuric acid.
    
    The island should be off limits except perhaps for a short helicopter view from a safe height.
    
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    December 11, 2019 1:43pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      If H2S gets to 1000 ppm it can be immediately lethal, 800 ppm is the LD50 limit at 5 minutes exposure. Although pretty pungent, it actually deadens the sense of smell in high concentrations.
      
      At low levels the body has built in mechanisms to remove it and it appears completely safe at 10-15 ppm and even up to around 200-250.
      
      Very uncommon to have that high a concentration outside even on a volcano, but could happen in an enclosed area.
      
      The real killer was the steam/ash at 200-300 degrees minimum, that kills very quickly, often by damaging the throat and lungs when a breath is taken. Not nice at all.
      
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      December 11, 2019 5:43pm
- chaos
  
  We’re all survivors rescued? Yes. Then westpac rescue landed on White Island carried out a search to find no one was there that could be rescued and those medics made the call that there was no to rescue. Police also were involved with their helicopter looking for survivors. No one to rescue it becomes a body recovery and police cannot go on u til the experts in the field, geonet, advise them it is safe to go on White Island. Nothing to attack police for.
  
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  December 11, 2019 9:18am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Actually, we don’t know for sure that all survivors were rescued. It is possible that some were unconscious and presumed dead. If they had pulled all the bodies off the Island, we would know for sure. Is the same as Pike River, rescuers may have found people alive, but were prevented from going in. So we will never know. ( although unlikely anyone survived the 1st methane blast)
    
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    December 11, 2019 10:32am
    - chaos
      
      Actually we do know for sure because the medics from the westpac rescue helicopter went and landed on White Island and spent 30 minutes searching for survivors before they were the ones that made the call there was no one to rescue. So we know for certain that there was no one left to rescue.
      
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      December 11, 2019 11:18am
      - Ed Snack
        
        30 minutes would not cover anything like the area people could have been in, but probably given the intensity survivors were most likely in the areas most distant from the eruption, so they no doubt covered the most probable areas.
        
        So we don’t know for sure, but probably they did.
        
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        December 11, 2019 5:45pm
  - freethinker
    
    Poo lice said they would commence a criminal investigation – has the IWI running the tour boats been interviewed yet – of course not the bros are exempt from anything not involving them receiving plenty Koha.
    
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    December 11, 2019 11:03am
    - Lance
      
      “Poo Lice’…
      Wow, I bet you think you are really really clever coming up with that one.
      
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      December 11, 2019 2:31pm
- Brian McDonald
  
  That have a way around it during warfare – call for volunteers.
  
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  December 11, 2019 9:40am
Inandout

‘On 10 September 1914, disaster struck a group of 10 miners working on White Island/Whakaari. The crater wall collapsed and the miners were engulfed by the resulting lahar (mudflow). The only survivor was Peter the Great, a camp cat, who was found hungry but uninjured three weeks later. The bodies of the men and other camp cats were never found’.

Big mistake here; the Maori name is last.
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December 11, 2019 8:12am
Albert_Ross

Are we supposed to be sympathetic, impressed or amused by the woman who puts a customer on hold for fifteen minutes so that she can eat her KFC on her employer’s time rather than in her lunch break?
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December 11, 2019 8:12am
- Tall Man
  
  But it’s so funny and kfc is so yummy and you know, she’s already done “some” work already and she’s hungry and it’s so funny……………….
  
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  December 11, 2019 8:40am
- yossarian
  
  Millennials today believe that their time is so precious that nothing should get in the way of their self gratification. Especially that large time consuming inconvenience thing called work.
  
  Case in point: I work with one who had to take two days leave because her boyfriends car got broken into.
  
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  December 11, 2019 9:29am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    yossarian
    I triggered a millennial at work with my political views so badly, that she resigned after one shift with me. It was a proud moment.
    
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    December 11, 2019 2:04pm
    - IC5000
      
      Well not everyone views NAMBLA as a legitimate political advocacy group but we live in a democracy so your views should be heard as well.
      
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      December 11, 2019 8:19pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Notice how the flake disappears from the ice cream as the white supremacist helps someone in difficulty while saving the planet one plastic bag at a time . . .
  
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  December 11, 2019 9:42am
- oldfella
  
  Was the woman Jacinda? Probably took the break not to eat fried chicken, but to put on her greenstone earrings and could go out and find someone to hug. Having first alerted some friendly photographer.
  Oh, sorry. Silly me. My bad. Jacinda never worked at KFC. She was only ever a chippie.
  
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  December 11, 2019 11:35am
oldpark

Noticed in the picture media sitting beside the deputy Police Commissioner was our little Peters selected NZ PM. There of course for another photo opportunity. This time for the premature outrageous statement by the Deputy Police Commissioner ,that a Criminal inquiry was being launched regarding White Island.
Two hours later the announcement of a criminal inquiry was cancelled.
Certainly not a good look for Police or Ardern what the **** was both of them thinking when the original statement was made. Question must be did Ardern direct the Police to make the statement, or was she just grandstanding for a another photo opportunity. Nuff said.
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December 11, 2019 8:13am
- fernglas
  
  It’s a bit of semantics, really. If the Police find evidence that warrants criminal charges, they will prosecute. If they don’t, they won’t.
  
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  December 11, 2019 8:40am
All_on_Red

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
That is all
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December 11, 2019 8:14am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Sort of like a Christmas ‘Where’s Wally’ with haha’s
  
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  December 11, 2019 8:18am
  - All_on_Red
    
    There’s Wally
    ⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️
    
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    December 11, 2019 8:45am
    - Tall Man
      
      9th floor Beehive. Only there’s more than one.
      
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      December 11, 2019 9:47am
      - Tall Man
        
        A couple here as well so far 😉
        
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        December 11, 2019 11:40am
Brian McDonald

Soul weary:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/12/10/will-gops-born-again-trumpers-ever-pay-price-selling-out/?utm_campaign=post_most&utm_medium=Email&utm_source=Newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1
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December 11, 2019 8:16am
- Inandout
  
  BM, Wapo announced at the time of Trump’s inauguration that they would work to impeach him; a thoroughly rubbish news outlet.
  
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  December 11, 2019 9:21am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    I was not interested in the news outlet but rather that it quotes a retiring Republican thoughts on Trump and those that eventually mimic him: ‘Yet another example of how Trump’s courtiers come to resemble their master.’
    
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    December 11, 2019 9:50am
  - freethinker
    
    And thanks to their bias and Trumps patience finally running out no Govt dept can subscribe to WAPO hitting them in the pocket – ouch!
    
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    December 11, 2019 12:24pm
burt

What the MSM tell us v reality;

Stuff:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/118102479/greenlands-ice-losses-rapidly-accelerate-hit-highest-sealevel-rise-projection

Several large glaciers account for the biggest ice losses – with Jakobshavn Glacier, in central Greenland, leading the way.

Wiki:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakobshavn_Glacier

Advancement and thickening
Airborne altimetry and satellite imagery show that Greenland’s largest glacier, the Jakobshavn, has been re-advancing, slowing and thickening by over 100 feet from 2016 to 2018.[29][30]

New NASA data show that the Jakobshavn Glacier also grew from 2018 into 2019, marking three consecutive years of growth.
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December 11, 2019 8:20am
- Stephieboy2
  
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  burt,
  
  superficial appearences can be deceiving,
  
  A Greenland glacier is growing. That doesn’t mean melting is over.
  
  A pulse of cooler water at its edge let part of the glacier gain some mass. But overall, the melting across Greenland continues apace.
  
  IT’S MELTING AND it’s not coming back. That’s something we often hear about our shifting climate and the ice that, in a sense, holds it together. Throughout the Arctic, glaciers are shrinking, right?
  
  Maybe not quite the way we think.
  
  NASA’s Oceans Melting Greenland (OMG) project has revealed Greenland’s Jakobshavn Glacier, the island’s biggest, is actually growing, at least at its edge. In research published Monday in Nature Geoscience, researchers report that since 2016, Jakobshavn’s ice has thickened slightly, thanks to relatively cool ocean waters at its base—which have caused the glacier to slow down its melt. This reverses the glacier’s 20-year trend of thinning and retreating. But because of what else is happening on the ice sheet, and the overall climate outlook, that’s not necessarily a good thing for global sea level….”
  
  https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/2019/03/one-part-of-greenland-ice-growing/
  
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  December 11, 2019 9:56am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    The fucking snow in the Northern hemisphere right now suggests that all glaciers will be expanding. Learn some fucking science, dimwit. (Glaciers are not good indicators of warming or cooling trends, as they often shrink or expand in an anticorrelation to temperature).
    
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    December 11, 2019 10:36am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    Like the temperature increasing, the related melting of glaciers is automatically and uncritically treated as a negative. Neither are negative in and of themselves: they just are what they are. Saying “the glaciers are melting!” is just to describe a fact. So what.
    
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    December 11, 2019 2:12pm
  - The King
    
    Your idol Obama just spent 11 million on a beachfront property, tell me more about the rising seas.
    
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    December 11, 2019 4:40pm
mandk

What is the PM good at?
1) Grief porn
2) Visiting kindies
3) Woman’s weekly photo shoots
4) Nothing else
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December 11, 2019 8:20am
- Tall Man
  
  The grief porn and hugz are very camera dependent preferably with an international victim.
  
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  December 11, 2019 8:27am
  - cmm
    
    How it plays internationally is most important.
    
    #CinD4UN!
    
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    December 11, 2019 8:54am
- burt
  
  Telling lies about not telling lies.
  
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  December 11, 2019 8:30am
- tedbear
  
  I’m sick and tired of her constantly apologising on my behalf.
  If I’m of a mind to apologise for something, I’ll do it myself thank you.
  So what’s next? Every road death?
  
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  December 11, 2019 8:39am
  - Tall Man
    
    Only those with international victims and preferably in double digits….
    
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    December 11, 2019 9:27am
- GT Build
  
  She has no trouble putting on the grief face as she just thinks about what her cabinet are doing enough to give most ulcers
  
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  December 11, 2019 8:40am
- Stephieboy2
  
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  mandk, it is noticeable but unsurprising how empty and cold hearted alt righters can be!
  
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  December 11, 2019 9:59am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    But we are not generally perverted like Lefties….
    
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    December 11, 2019 10:37am
  - mandk
    
    And isn’t it striking how devoted lefties are to virtue-signalling, while all the time doing damage to the wellbeing of the population?
    
    See today’s thread on ED waiting times for an example.
    
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    December 11, 2019 11:20am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    Leftists aren’t compassionate at all. They must pretend that they are, because their political ideas are so bankrupt.
    
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    December 11, 2019 2:15pm
- Gravyman2
  
  All of the above?
  
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  December 11, 2019 11:23am
slightlyrighty

I am having a certain unease about the conduct of our PM during this disaster. She seems to be replicating her actions post May 15 in getting photo ops of hugging wherever possible.

There is a fine line between showing compassion and support during a trying time, and campaigning off the back of a disaster. Discussions I have had indicate that the PM is finding herself on the wrong side of that line in some circles.
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December 11, 2019 8:22am
- Evadne
  
  Why does Jacinda so continually make me think of a 16yo girl?
  
  Those recent shots remind me of when some mildly shocking event happens (or news breaks) at a high school. All the students mill round, with the teenage girls all crying and hugging each other, wallowing in the collective emotion, enjoying the drama of it all.
  
  While the grown ups get on with dealing with the issue.
  
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  December 11, 2019 9:14am
  - Jules99
    
    True – I used to see it when I worked at a uni too. And the young men standing round wondering if they should do anything. Most people grow out of it.
    
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    December 11, 2019 11:16am
  - IC5000
    
    > Why does Jacinda so continually make me think of a 16yo girl?
    
    It least 16 is the age of consent. I really don’t want to know why your mind is focused on teenage girls. Continually.
    
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    December 11, 2019 8:22pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Actually your posts show an ongoing trend for sexual matters.
      Obviously not getting any
      Hardly a surprise for an angry POS like you
      I’d suggest Evadne is referring to to Arderns immaturity
      
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      December 11, 2019 8:42pm
      - IC5000
        
        Lol you’re a battler. Keep it up, the world needs more laughs.
        
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        December 11, 2019 8:52pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        angry POS
        
        World class projection
        
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        December 11, 2019 9:08pm
- Inandout
  
  slightly, and her Christchurch mosque team have ‘expressed empathy’ with the White Island injured. Duh, one was a shooter, this is an Act of God.
  
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  December 11, 2019 9:24am
- niggly
  
  I’m not too fused if the PM visits a disaster … but I do agree there is a fine line to tread and I’m not sure if this time the PM and her staff got it right. A couple of examples:
  
  Jacinda proclaimed, words to the effect, that we will look after the dead, they are part of us now (or something like that). What a stupid thing to say within 24 hours of a disaster! If I had a family member dead or missing I would be saying p*** off, where are they, what are you doing to try and find them (dead or alive) as one’s emotions are still raw and coming to terms with what has happened!
  
  So I think Jacinda’s script writers got that terribly wrong, it’s like they were trying to evoke Mustafa Kemal Atatürk’s post WW1 speech in which he talked about the dead ANZAC soldiers at Gallipoli “After having lost their lives on this land they have become our sons as well.” etc, as well as more post-Chch 15 March rhetoric. Just so inappropriate yesterday though!
  
  The other interesting thing is Jacinda visited the emergency services and didn’t appear to visit families of the victims. If that’s the case I recall when Teresa May did the same thing after the Grenville tower fire and how the MSM ridiculed her. Will the NZ MSM remain compliant next time?
  
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  December 11, 2019 9:24am
  - Jules99
    
    I seem to recall Trump visiting victims in hospital. Staff and patients seemed to appreciate it.
    
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    December 11, 2019 11:17am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  In their quiet moments, I guarantee that Jacinda and her PR team pray for moments such as this. Just like the media does – it’s their bread and butter. Never let a photo opportunity go to waste.
  
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  December 11, 2019 2:17pm
skyblue

Competition time.
Q. How many billions will Robbo announce today in extra spending.
A. 12bln over 5 years all borrowed.

Over to you now.
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December 11, 2019 8:25am
- Tony Stuart
  
  At least he’s proved Steven Joyce right about the Fiscal Hole, even if the hole was far deeper than Joyce predicted.
  
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  December 11, 2019 8:38am
  - burt
    
    We’ll hear how the hole was created by 9 years of neglect. They are socialist, they never own the consequences of their actions.
    
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    December 11, 2019 8:39am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      On ZB this morning, Stuart Nash repeated the lie about faeces running down the walls at Middlemore Hospital.
      
      I suspect the only faeces on the walls of our hospitals is of the bovine ilk, and that it has come from visiting Labour MP’s spouting it.
      
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      December 11, 2019 11:22am
mikenmildagain

Happy International Mountain Day!
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December 11, 2019 8:25am
- skyblue
  
  Does this include mountains made out of a molehills such as last weeks passing of the Foreign Donations Bill for donations over $50?
  
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  December 11, 2019 8:41am
  - Tall Man
    
    Nope, that’s reserved for dwarfs with “what’s in it for wynston” demanding to be the first to go.
    
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    December 11, 2019 8:54am
    - sooty
      
      What about the Akl mountain, they are trying to cut down the trees!
      
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      December 11, 2019 1:01pm
- burt
  
  Can we also celebrate the fine Muslim instruction of throwing gay people off mountains to honour the mountains today?
  
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  December 11, 2019 8:43am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Citation required.
    
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    December 11, 2019 10:55am
    - burt
      
      https://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/29/opinion/mustafa-akyol-what-does-islam-say-about-being-gay.html
      
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      December 11, 2019 11:26am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Doesn’t mention mountains.
        
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        December 11, 2019 11:27am
      - burt
        
        I know, I couldn’t be ass’d digging up a reference you can find yourself. It did mention killing gays though – what more do you want to ignore about Islam so you can pretend it is peaceful?
        
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        December 11, 2019 11:58am
  - IC5000
    
    Why do you need to use the Koran to satisfy this bloodlust?
    
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    December 11, 2019 1:56pm
- The King
  
  This post is hill areas
  
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  December 11, 2019 8:54am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    The humour is peaking.
    
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    December 11, 2019 10:56am
- Komata
  
  MM@0825
  
  Given that ‘White Island’ is the above the surface end of an undersea mountain, perhaps, your post might be slightly inappropriate for the time?
  
  Just saying…
  
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  December 11, 2019 9:07am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Reminds me of a car sticker that used to be around in the 1970’s and 80’s:
  
  I’m a mountain man, and I love mountin’ women
  
  Maybe it was Brokeback Mountain that caused that particular sticker’s demise!
  
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  December 11, 2019 11:24am
Yvette

RNZ has run an article “Kiwis need to be prepared for volcanic eruption, disaster risk expert says” with an alarming image of a fictitious volcanic eruption in Auckland, while stuff offers “Prepare for an eruption Taranaki because you live around a volcano” – Any eruption of Mt Taranaki is likely to come with a warning of days or months. But it could also come without warning.

Should the “truth”, “helpfulness” or “reality” of such items perhaps be considered against whether they recognise what current news items on White Island seem to indicate – that 27 to 31 burns victims occupy the nation’s specialist burns facilities to full capacity?
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December 11, 2019 8:33am
- Tall Man
  
  A very good point Yvette.
  
  I’m quite sure that when ardern has stopped hugging people and possibly picking their pockets she will have the time to form another working group well stocked with pathetic labour “never were’s” who will report back in the fullness of time after alison mau has opened three conferences for $26,000 (yes, a lot of zeros) a pop.
  
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  December 11, 2019 8:51am
Billy Collins

So the Dems aren’t charging Trump with bribery or extortion, obviously because as anyone not suffering TDS knows, they couldn’t prove it. You Never Trumpers were willing to throw presumption of innocence out the window and claim bribery based on hearsay because you hate Trump.

Instead, they are charging him with the intent to “obtain an improper personal benefit, while ignoring or injuring the national interest.” However, they have no proof of motive at all and seem to not really care what the motive was. As Ben Shapiro, a somewhat Never Trumper himself, has pointed out, this is so vague you could impeach pretty much any president on it.

The other charge is obstruction, which is even more dubious. The White House has challenged every subpoena legally through the courts which is the appropriate process. The courts haven’t even come back with a verdict yet either, so what is the basis for this?

Schiff committed blatant corruption in acquiring and publishing the private phone records of a political opponent and journalist, neither of whom were accused of anything or even being investigated, and the media basically just slips this under the rug. They hate Trump so much, they even throw one of their own under the bus.

This wont, and definitely shouldn’t, get past the Senate.
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December 11, 2019 8:38am
- Fletch
  
  And as far as obstruction, they have dropped “obstruction of justice” and it’s now “obstruction of Congress”. What is interesting is that Adam Schiff wouldn’t even appear at the hearing to answer questions about his own report, as Ken Starr did on his report.
  
  Republican Doug Collins even questioning Daniel Goldman (who Schiff sent in his place),
  
  “Where’s Adam? It’s his report. Mr. Goldman, you’re a great attorney, but you’re not Adam Schiff and you don’t wear a pin.”
  
  “That’s true,” Goldman responded.
  
  Schiff dare not appear, not wanting to answer questions about illegally gaining phone records of senators and reporters.
  
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  December 11, 2019 10:23am
  - freethinker
    
    But Shifty may not find a Senate subpoena easy to avoid.
    
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    December 11, 2019 12:39pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    I would of thought that the Charge of “Obstruction of Congress” by appealing to the courts is itself an impeachable action by Congress. The US state has 3 elements, the executive, the legislature, and the courts. By trying to subvert the place of the court (especially SCOTUS), that action is itself unconstitutional, just IMHO.
    
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    December 11, 2019 5:49pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  The Dems have shown their unfitness to govern. This farce could result in the Republicans having a go at the next Dem Pres.
  
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  December 11, 2019 1:53pm
Maggie Pie

My partner has driven around White Island on a number of ocassions. He reckons it’s a really foreboding sight, particularly before dawn or just after sunset.

Just saying 🙁
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December 11, 2019 8:50am
- surfing
  
  People will say in hindsight that people should not have been allowed to visit white island when the alert level was raised (or even when it is low?).
  
  But, at the same time thousands of people enjoy skiing the slopes of another active volcano during winter…. One lahar could wipe out hundreds of human lives. I’m not sure if Ruapehu eruptions produce pyroclastic flows, but those will vapourise people.
  
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  December 11, 2019 8:59am
  - Sacha
    
    The thing about Ruapehu is that it gives warning signals.
    White Island used to be called the ‘safety valve’ for volcanic activity in that area, and could never be trusted to give advance warning. It is more like a steam vent than a volcano. I suspect that that is part of the thrill for adventurists who have heard of the dangers but who, in their arrogance, dismiss it. (Like Measles: well known to be an infectious disease, but some people never consider that they might become infected. Then someone does, and then dies – and whose fault is that?)
    But for regular travellers who simply wanted to see a real volcano sleepily steaming away in the sunshine it was a threat of undreamt consequences. They would never in their wildest dreams considered that they were entering a truly dangerous situation – or that they would be encouraged to do so.
    
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    December 11, 2019 10:20am
- Tall Man
  
  “Driven”….. surely not the Porsche!
  
  https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a29660108/porsche-superyacht-royal-falcon-one/
  
  I wouldn’t let him see this or you will need a bigger Christmas tree.
  
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  December 11, 2019 9:07am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    No silly! He’s a member of the Whakatane Sportfishing Club and often heads down there in the boat for the marlin tournaments. I don’t go becos i hate fishing and get sooo seasick.
    
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    December 11, 2019 9:26am
  - chaos
    
    https://flatsixes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/floating-porsche.jpg
    
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    December 11, 2019 10:02am
surfing

If only the AGW deniers could convince the ice to stop melting…

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/118102479/greenlands-ice-losses-rapidly-accelerate-hit-highest-sealevel-rise-projection
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December 11, 2019 8:54am
- Simon
  
  Stop melting. Lol
  
  https://realclimatescience.com/2019/08/greenland-propaganda-meltdown/
  
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  December 11, 2019 9:04am
  - surfing
    
    So, new research is to be ignored? They are using some fairly advanced and precision instruments to measure the entire ice mass. . .
    
    The ice sheet mass balance inter-comparison exercise (IMBIE) was established in 2011 as a community effort to reconcile satellite measurements of ice sheet mass balance. IMBIE is a collaboration between scientists supported by the European Space Agency (ESA) and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA), and contributes to assessment reports of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). IMBIE has led to improved confidence in the measurement of ice sheet mass balance and the associated global sea-level contribution. The improvements were achieved through combination of ice sheet imbalance estimates developed from the independent satellite techniques of altimetry, gravimetry and the input-output method. Going forwards, IMBIE provides a framework for assessing ice sheet mass balance, and has an explicit aim to widen participation to enable the entire scientific community to become involved.
    
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    December 11, 2019 10:07am
- Tall Man
  
  “Will the MSM and greta ever admit they are wrong”…… No.
  
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  December 11, 2019 9:05am
  - chaos
    
    No, both are so controlled they dont know how to think for themselves
    
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    December 11, 2019 10:05am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Oi don’t you read previous comments. Seeing you obviously don’t I’ll copy and paste it for you. From Burt above:
  
  burt
  What the MSM tell us v reality;
  
  Stuff:
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/118102479/greenlands-ice-losses-rapidly-accelerate-hit-highest-sealevel-rise-projection
  
  Several large glaciers account for the biggest ice losses – with Jakobshavn Glacier, in central Greenland, leading the way.
  
  Wiki:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakobshavn_Glacier
  
  Advancement and thickening
  Airborne altimetry and satellite imagery show that Greenland’s largest glacier, the Jakobshavn, has been re-advancing, slowing and thickening by over 100 feet from 2016 to 2018.[29][30]
  
  New NASA data show that the Jakobshavn Glacier also grew from 2018 into 2019, marking three consecutive years of growth.
  
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  And don’t fucking call us deniers. Thats a Holocaust related term.
  
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  December 11, 2019 9:09am
  - surfing
    
    Hilarious, since when did the kiwiblog thumbs up ranking become the arbiter of truth? Only one so far esconsced up their own personal echo box would come up with such an inane statement.
    
    Denier is a good word for you , because you just don’t accept science. You know the Jakobshavn glacier expands and contracts — yet, you deceitfully cherry-pick the expansion phase. Leaving out facts is as bad as lying.
    
    Your own link condemns you . . .
    
    “The temperature change of the current’s water is part of a known climate pattern, one that is expected to flip again, and cause more of the melting and ice thinning for which Jakobshavn is known. Although the melting rate has slowed, the glacier continues to contribute to sea level rise, ultimately losing more ice to the ocean than it gains from snow accumulation overall.”
    
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    December 11, 2019 9:47am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      I do accept science, the science that says CO2 is not the primary temperature control of the Atmosphere. And I am in good company, unlike alarmists who adore the Greta that can see CO2.
      
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      December 11, 2019 10:42am
- Andrei
  
  You are only getting part of the story surfing = cherry picked to feed your concern.
  
  The real picture is far more complex
  
  The ice is actually acumulating on Greenland – and that extra weight of ice is what causes glaciers to flow to the sea at a greater rate
  
  And where did the H₂O for this extra ice come from? It came from evapouration of the sea, carried in clouds and falling on the Greenland highlands as precipitation.
  
  From the sea it came and from the sea it will eventually return.
  
  Despite the all shouting the measurement of sea level change is at the very limits of the ability of contemporary science to measure it with any degree of certainty but what is certain is that new taxes and levees as well as the novel idea of trading carbon credits (an utterly useless commodity) will do nothing to change the dynamical processes that govern the thermodynamic energy flows that rule the planets weather sytems, short and long term
  
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  December 11, 2019 9:28am
  - rockape
    
    The center of greenland is just over 10000 ft high, the ice at that point is 11000 ft thick. Been there camped there! Abd yes Adrei your right, it the pressure of ice that speeds up the Galciers causing extra calving of Icebergs.
    
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    December 11, 2019 4:01pm
- Billy Collins
  
  You’re a bit late. Burt above has already disproved this article. The largest glacier there has been growing for the last 3 years.
  
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  December 11, 2019 10:01am
  - burt
    
    I haven’t disproved anything. I have just posted what NASA are saying v what the MSM want us to believe.
    
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    December 11, 2019 11:02am
    - Billy Collins
      
      Arguments based on an appeal to legitimate authority are legitimate. You are too humble.
      
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      December 11, 2019 11:09am
  - Andrei
    
    Well on this blog there is a thing called moderation, Billy Collins – which means you can respond to a post without other responses to the same post being accesible to a mere mortal such as myself at the time I make them.
    
    Duh!!!
    
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    December 11, 2019 11:58am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Ok Doomer 🙂
  
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  December 11, 2019 10:07am
lastmanstanding

Some random questions.

1. Is it possible the Chinese Communist Party has sought to influence NZ politics and policy by offering donations (bribes) to various political parties.

2. Are any of the political parties likely to have refused their offers.

3. Is the CCP conducting political warfare against western countries like NZ.

4. Does this take the form of buying up assets in those countries including land and businesses.

5. Does the CCP intend to either cut off or reduce NZ exports at some point or hold the NZ Government to ransom as to the quantum of exports.

6. Will the CCP eventually have effective control over the policy making of any Government in NZ.

7. Is political warfare now the substitute for military warfare and result in the same end game without the loss of assets by the victor.
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December 11, 2019 9:02am
- Tall Man
  
  1-7: No
  
  8: Are there some really paranoid people out there? Yes
  
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  December 11, 2019 9:03am
- secondcumming
  
  It’s a big *YES* from me and I’m sure Professor Anne-Marie Brady also, to all of those random questions, lms 😎
  
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  December 11, 2019 9:09am
  - chaos
    
    Ah yes the professor who claims the Chinese military are testing advanced weapons on farms in our district but cant say where and prolly doesn’t even realise the Chinese owned farms are run by and staffed by kiwis
    
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    December 11, 2019 10:09am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Brady noted:
      
      Chinese companies Shanghai Pengxin and KuangChi Science have used Shanghai Pengxin’s New Zealand dairy farms for near-space launches.
      
      The source of this statement was a Stuff article, which reported:
      
      Chinese company Shanghai Pengxin will launch a balloon into “near space” from New Zealand early next year to test whether it could be used to deliver broadband.
      The firm, which is better known locally for its investments in New Zealand dairy farms, will conduct at least two launches by June in partnership with Hong Kong listed firm KaungChi Science.
      
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      December 11, 2019 11:26am
      - cmm
        
        So something like the Google balloon, except people that Twyford doesn’t trust?
        
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        December 11, 2019 3:53pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Something like that, from companies no New Zealanders should trust.
        
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        December 11, 2019 4:33pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  1. Yes
  2. No
  3. Yes
  4. Possibly
  5. Threats are possible, but the reliance of NZ on exports to China can be overstated
  6. In some respect this is already the case
  7. Not a total substitute, but an effective low-cost alternative
  
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  December 11, 2019 11:00am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uV5fvSZFoE
China tries to weaponize it’s rare earth resources, but the plan backfires. Japan has recently discovered a supply that will last hundreds of years.
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December 11, 2019 9:08am
- Ed Snack
  
  Rare earths aren’t rare at all. But they are expensive and polluting to extract from their ores. That’s why China has a near monopoly on production , because they have not cared about the environmental damage and so can produce at a cost lower than a place that has to control the side effects.
  
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  December 11, 2019 5:53pm
  - curry4me
    
    Yes, a mine in the USA has been re-opened, and adheres to US H&S standards.
    
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    December 11, 2019 8:53pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElnLyU9st-8
Leaked recording blasts comrade Corbyn.
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December 11, 2019 9:09am
Komata

Lastman@0902

Very short answers to all your questions.

1. Yes
2. No; although this cannot be proven either way.
3. Yes
4.Yes*
5. Probably
6. Eventually, as the numbers of Chinese increases through both arrival and births
7. Yes

* It also takes the form of encouraging / permitting large number of Chinese to leave the ‘Mother’ country (while simultaneously making sure that other family members are kept at home as ‘insurance’ policies to ensure ‘good behaviour by the emigres) and settle in potential ‘Colonies’; a policy that, in NZ, has been operating for the last 30-odd years. Fifth-columns come in different forms.
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December 11, 2019 9:18am
The King

China has concentration camps, now think about that for a second, it’s almost 2020. Not are we only not doing anything about a country that has concentration camps, we are actively supporting the regime that does. Also the CCP are sending in Han males to inseminate the Uyghur females to breed them out of existence, this IS genocide.

We went to war for less, yet somehow this is all fine and dandy.
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December 11, 2019 9:24am
- Stephieboy2
  
  The King, so you concede that a similar process occoured under the Nazis albeit somewhat more extreme?
  
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  December 11, 2019 10:02am
  - The King
    
    Ill concede that when you concede the jewish bolsheviks did the same in the holodomor, deal?
    
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    December 11, 2019 3:40pm
- curry4me
  
  One way to slow China down is to refrain from buying ‘blood plastic’ from the big red building. Instead, buy from Vietnamese, South Korean, or Taiwanese drop shippers. Of course, it takes a bit of advance planning.
  
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  December 11, 2019 9:00pm
Maggie Pie

Have you ever noticed that if you work with someone who catches Public Transport, just how much they smell like warm vinyl?

Just saying.
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December 11, 2019 9:39am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  . . . and wet dogs now that dogs are allowed on public transport.
  
  As I have said to my sister when she turns up with her three and says they will behave if they are inside; ‘ not everybody likes your dogs as much as you’ . . .
  
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  December 11, 2019 9:53am
- Inandout
  
  MP, I haven’t really smelled warm vinyl since those women wore them in fashion. Didn’t Diana Rigg start the craze?
  
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  December 11, 2019 10:04am
  - Tall Man
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXd9rxkG3gQ
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7OjUBLUKSM
    
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    December 11, 2019 10:12am
    - KH
      
      Emma Peel. So sexy. So long ago. Sigh.
      
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      December 11, 2019 10:38pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Used to drool over her when I was a teenager. The lovely Mrs Emma Peel. Shows my Age. Ouch.
    
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    December 11, 2019 11:48am
Hugh Pavletich

CHRISTCHURCH CITY COUNCIL: SUGGESTED COUNCILLORS 11% PAY INCREASE IDIOCY …

… Similar to the earlier Christchurch City Council Chief Executive Tony Marryatt’s pre – Christmas 2011 pay increase attempt … which triggered the 4,500 strong 1 February 2012 Peoples Protest … the ‘Bob & Tony Show’ was gone by the end of 2013 …

Christchurch City councillors in line for 11 per cent pay rise … Tina Law … The Press

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/118050715/christchurch-city-councillors-in-line-for-11-per-cent-pay-rise

A suggested 11% increase can only be described as an obscenity.

It is well known the New Zealand local government sector is overpaid in comparison with other jurisdictions within the English speaking world.

Check out pay rates within North America on the internet. The Texas Tribune Government Employee Incomes is well worth a read on the internet. In some US States it is mandatory to publish government employees incomes.

Do these people have any idea what ‘public service’ actually means ?
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… Within about 5 States of the United States, it is mandatory that government employees individual salaries are publicly notified. To illustrate …Texas as an example …

Government Salaries Explorer – The Texas Tribune

https://salaries.texastribune.org/
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December 11, 2019 9:49am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  … Public service salaries should (amongst other considerations) reflect appropriately the wealth creation capacity of a country or local area …
  
  List of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita … Wikipedia
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita
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  .
  … One of the major reasons we have a housing affordability crisis, is because local government salaries and costs got out of control … so they lost their capacity to meet infrastructure responsibilities to their local communities. New Zealand is the worst within the English speaking world …
  
  15th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey
  
  http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf
  
  Housing Affordability Ratings – Median Multiples – All Markets
  
  Australia 5.7
  Canada 4.0
  China (Hong Kong) 20.9
  Ireland 3.7
  New Zealand 6.5
  Singapore 4.6
  United Kingdom 4.8
  United States 3.5
  
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  December 11, 2019 9:51am
- Rodney Randall
  
  Attempted to post about obscene payrise last night.
  
  Post was ignored by Mods:(
  
  Maybe one of the mods is mates with someone at the remuneration authority who thinks an 11% pay increase for part time councillors is wonderful!
  
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  December 11, 2019 6:39pm
Stephieboy2

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
From TM ,

The Aussie reaction to Jacinda as a real class act

Aussies are again calling for Jacinda Ardern to be the country’s leader after her “classy” response to the White Island volcano disaster.

Photos emerged of the New Zealand Prime Minister hugging first responders, not dissimilar to pictures of her hugging victims of the Christchurch massacre.

Ms Ardern was praised for her leadership in the wake of the horror that has gripped Christchurch following a terrorist attack that killed 50 people.

Her staunch rejection of the “extremist ideology” behind the attacks, which she said had “no place in New Zealand society”, was applauded by those watching events unfold from around the world.

This morning, Ms Ardern got a similar response after she met with emergency services personnel who responded to the White Island eruption that left five dead, with almost a dozen Australian tourists still unaccounted for.

Many have taken to social media to respond to Ms Ardern’s reaction.

One man wrote how she should come to Australia and look after our country in times of emergency.

Another woman wrote, “What a class act Jacinda Ardern is. Her compassionate speech in regard to the volcanic eruption on White Island is something we in Australia would never experience under our cold hard hearted government.”

One commented how Ms Ardern was “the best leader in the world right now”, while others suggested Mr Morrison should not be visiting NZ and instead focus on this own country “burning” right now.

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/how-
good-is-jacinda-ardern-people-applaud-nz-pm/news-story/6bd0f
deae08a026b109009691336a276

Roll on 2020 election!
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December 11, 2019 10:05am
- Sacha
  
  Oh dear. That page has been removed. Was it a joke that too many people believed as the truth?
  
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  December 11, 2019 10:29am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Hey pervert, look athis for a different point of view
  
  Quote” NZ failed to prepare visitors before White Island eruption”
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPc4WA01wJw
  
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  December 11, 2019 10:45am
  - Stephieboy2
    
    Thousands of Tourist have visited White Island without incident and there was no reason to believe that it would massively erupt the way it did
    
    The Tongariro transverse like Skiing or climbing Mt Ruapehu is hazardous. Even Taranaki. Visiting Rotorua is potentially hazardous.
    
    We live on the Ring of Fire with assocaited earthqauke risk.
    
    Get real!
    
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    December 11, 2019 11:59am
- tf78
  
  Yep, the Aussie’s are known for their sense of humour.
  
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  December 11, 2019 11:12am
  - Stephieboy2
    
    And keen perceptions!
    
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    December 11, 2019 11:59am
- alloytoo
  
  I asked the nearest Aussie I could find if we could swap SLG for ScoMo.
  
  Her laughter was hurtful.
  
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  December 11, 2019 12:53pm
Maggie Pie

My partner just txt to say “Deodar sighted off White Island. Body recovery underway?”
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December 11, 2019 10:18am
- sooty
  
  But the police are denying it’s happening, but they walk out of the presser as well.
  
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  December 11, 2019 1:08pm
Fletch

A man with a super power in real life….

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10522729/man-farts-kill-mosquitos/
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December 11, 2019 10:26am
cut n paster

Go on then Cindy!
Give us a big ol’hug….
https://ibb.co/3Wk19P2
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December 11, 2019 10:37am
- MCos
  
  Give us a hug, Ma’a
  
  https://davelintott.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/John-Key/G0000QjxS13anokg/I0000eyOvF150BLM/C0000qFnT_ULWKB4
  
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  December 11, 2019 11:41am
  - cut n paster
    
    John Key doesn’t look like the Grim Reaper and that hand is a standard cover move…. have you never played “Sack Tap” with the All Blacks …Brutal :-O
    
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    December 11, 2019 11:53am
  - sam green
    
    What’s that spare hand doing?
    
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    December 11, 2019 12:05pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  “there’s simply no better way of doing it than with the traditional hug or a kiss or a lick, a grope on the arse, or a bit of a dry root”
  
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  December 11, 2019 12:20pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Those are the liebour options.
    
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    December 11, 2019 2:11pm
cmm

Massive floods and drownings in the Johannesburg area of South Africa – lots of blaming of climate change, colonialism etc.

Reality: storm water drains etc not working properly due to poor local governance. But, hey, that would be taking responsibility.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBDMFqhxWJs
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December 11, 2019 10:46am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  But wasn’t someone on KB mentioning drought across southern Africa yesterday and the day before?
  
  South Africa hit by floods and power cuts
  
  https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-50726730
  
  https://meteox.com/forecastloop.aspx?type=1&continent=afrika
  
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  December 11, 2019 10:55am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Even drought-struck Namibia is experiencing flooding.
    http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-12/06/c_138611059.htm
    
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    December 11, 2019 11:13am
    - cmm
      
      Yup, desert flooding is nothing new. Plants and animals have adapted to it.
      
      Have a look at the lifecycle of the amazing Namaqualand daisies that get their whole above ground life cycle done in a couple of weeks.
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ck5e_z_7Qtk
      
      There’s a BBC docco which is far better than this – but longer too.
      
      Fish and frogs have adapted to living most of their lives in dry riverbeds.
      
      With this level of adaptation this is clearly not a post-colonial issue.
      
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      December 11, 2019 11:47am
      - Tauhei Notts
        
        CMM, thank you for bringing that Namaqualand video to our attention. Back in 1976 I had visited Aggeneys, 110 km west of Pofadder. Unfortunately I was not there in spring time.
        My employers, Phelps Dodge of Africa, at the time were doing preliminary studies on a copper mine.
        I recall the wonderful view from a light aircraft of the mighty Augrabie Falls, north east of Aggeneys.
        
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        December 11, 2019 9:15pm
    - rangitoto
      
      Looking at windy.com, Zimbabwe, Zambia and Mozambique are also getting quite a lot of rain. The weather should be punished for disobeying the alarmists.
      
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      December 11, 2019 12:06pm
  - cmm
    
    If nothing else, Africa is rich with bitter ironies.
    
    Johannesburg is right on the watershed (Witwatersrand = white watershed, named white due to the quartz) . Rain falling a bit to the south west goes into the Vaal River, Orange River etc where it is very useful for agriculture. Rain falling on the north east flows north east – where it is much less.
    
    While Johannesburg is getting flooding and the Hartebeespoort Dam (just north of there) is overflowing, the Vaal River system (just 300km away) is still pretty dry.
    
    In 1979 (final year school) I did a bit of a geography project researching how the siting of Johannesburg had impacted on water availability through what I termed “heat pollution” impacting the microclimate. This was way before any of the climate change talk was fashionable (we were all heading for an ice age back then). Although I was laughed at by my teacher, the basic idea was simultaneously developed (independently) by others in academia for which I take no credit.
    
    Basic premise: the heat bubble caused by Johannesburg causes premature uplift which causes earlier thunder cloud formation and therefore rain falls on the wrong side of the watershed. This is manmade and has helped to dry out the west of SA.
    
    Of course this is a very localised issue and has nothing to do with CO2 etc, so is nothing to do with “global warming”.
    
    Anyone who has lives in the Johannesburg/ Pretoria areas will tell you of the massive thunderstorms and hail storms that smash car windows and such. What is important in the cities is ensuring the stormwater systems are clear and work properly.
    
    Unfortunately that is not how it is any more. Failed municipal services mean that stormwater drains, small streams and rivers in that area are choked with rubbish so the water cannot drain properly: result – massive surface flooding.
    
    But hey, we can all blame the white guy in the SUV and not have to fix what is really broken.
    
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    December 11, 2019 11:38am
    - Stephieboy2
      
      cmm. the usual Pro White South Africa tropes
      
      . Whats happening with the apocalyptic blood bath?
      
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      December 11, 2019 12:12pm
      - alloytoo
        
        Did you even read his post?
        
        Johanessburg/Pretoria cover a vast area which was previously open Veldt, which now comprises roads and buildings.
        
        The heat island effect must be enormous.
        
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        December 11, 2019 12:59pm
      - cmm
        
        What the fuck did I say that was Pro-White?
        
        You are a sack of shit that should be banned forever.
        
        You will note that I researched that in 1979 so I was not attacking black people was I? Since then the Johannesburg area has grown. That’s hardly pro-white.
        
        The municipalities in South Africa have failed – rubbish and sewage in the streets and getting worse all the time.
        
        PS: While 0ver 50 murders a day is maybe not apocalyptic, it’s pretty awful. And, like always, the brown people are getting hit the hardest.
        
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        December 11, 2019 3:04pm
      - The King
        
        Depends Steph how many [Deleted]?
        
        [Mod – leave the offensive allegations out. Final warning]
        
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        December 11, 2019 3:38pm
  - Stephieboy2
    
    MW, this local report suggests differntly ,
    
    “Drought conditions likely to persist despite recent rain,”
    
    Hopes have been dashed that the recent widespread rain across South Africa’s summer rainfall region would put an end to widespread water-constrained and drought conditions.
    
    This followed a preliminary weather forecast for the December 2019 to April 2020 summer season in a Seasonal Climate
    
    Watch issued recently by the South African Weather Service (SAWS), which indicated that there were “enhanced probabilities of below-normal rainfall over the north-eastern and southern parts of the country” for this period.
    
    https://www.farmersweekly.co.za/agri-news/
    
    LOL!
    
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    December 11, 2019 12:08pm
    - cmm
      
      You clearly did not read what I wrote.
      
      There are droughts in some areas and rains in other.
      The main agricultural areas did not get much rain, and much of that is down to the effect I mentioned.
      
      Just North East of Johannesburg they got over 100mm over the week end. On the Western side – 30 km away – they got 30mm.
      
      To help you understand things further, the region I was talking about is only a specific area of the country (about 100km x 100km) – not the whole country. The Farmers’ Weekly article seems to be about the country at large. North East of the whole country is not the North East of the region I wrote about.
      
      These floods and rains only impacted a very small region and the rest of the country is indeed in drought.
      
      I’d better add a LOL to make it all scientific.
      
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      December 11, 2019 3:15pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  that was 2016…
  
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  December 11, 2019 11:17am
  - sooty
    
    Please forgive stephie,
    He only has an old computor!
    
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    December 11, 2019 1:11pm
    - Tall Man
      
      I know I have suggested it before without success but maybe just try and ignore the stupidity of steffy for a week and see if it abates or even disappears.
      
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      December 11, 2019 2:09pm
rightoverlabour

I am surprised stuff has this article. It is a massive indictment in terms of the Polive etc fucking things up Pike River style once again.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/118103101/whakaariwhite-island-helicopter-pilot-said-conditions-perfect-to-recover-bodies

Quotes:

“The conditions are perfect, I don’t understand why [emergency services] wouldn’t go – I’d go.

“We could go do that now, so that’s the frustrating part.

“The intensity has probably lessened. The southwesterly has probably blown the plume and the gas away, so you could probably walk around there without a gas mask on.”

Once they learned emergency services were not heading out, they decided to save people themselves.

“We then decided to move the helicopters up to where most of the people were lying and in a distressed state.

“And then three of us started loading people in helicopters. We put five people into one and Jason left for the hospital.

“I brought my helicopter up and we loaded five more into that and we left.”

So the fucking emergency response was ” Just don’t bother ”

COWARDS.
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December 11, 2019 11:14am
- cut n paster
  
  Much lower quality recruits than days gone by, who are always looking over their shoulder incase that career ending f* *k up has their name on it.
  
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  December 11, 2019 12:27pm
- chaos
  
  So emergency services weren’t heading out. Weird considering westpac rescue helicopter went out, landed on White Island and they spent 30 minutes searching the island for survivors. I’d believe the westpac crew more than I’d believe his version
  
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  December 11, 2019 1:18pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    I’d suggest looking at the timings really closely before suggesting the guys is talking shit….
    
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    December 11, 2019 3:11pm
Fletch

Mark Levin interviews constitutional law professor Alan Dershowitz (a Democrat who voted for Hillary Clinton) on the Trump impeachment. (The video is split in several segments)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsd8TKMe_a0&feature=emb_title
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmXSOwSkRGI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Fj8gybTZa0

As he points out in detail, there is no basis for the impeachment of Trump.
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December 11, 2019 11:29am
- Batman
  
  Proof that parallel universes exist.
  
  Honestly, it’s truly bizarre that a while group of people have convinced themselves that everything is totally fine and no abuse of power or obstruction has occurred.
  
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  December 11, 2019 11:46am
  - Fletch
    
    It hasn’t.
    
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    December 11, 2019 11:54am
    - Batman
      
      Yeah ok, great argument. The same as Republicans and Bill Barr who argue process, avoid the substantive evidence, and point to mirages as proof of the opposite.
      
      Saying something doesn’t make it true.
      
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      December 11, 2019 11:56am
      - rangitoto
        
        Says Batman just saying something.
        
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        December 11, 2019 12:53pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I see Bill Barr is flat-out lying about Horowitz’s report:
        Horowitz: “We did not find documentary or testimonial evidence that political bias or improper motivation influenced the decisions”
        Barr: “He hasn’t decided the issue of improper motive”
        In other news, War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, and Ignorance is Strength.
        
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        December 11, 2019 1:55pm
      - Fletch
        
        Debunking the articles of impeachment, line-by-line –
        
        https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/12/10/pollak-line-by-line-debunking-democrats-articles-of-impeachment-against-trump/
        
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        December 11, 2019 4:58pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Funny, there were 17 instances of serious errors in the process documented by Horowitz, and every single one was an error that went against the Trump campaign. If these were random errors, wouldn’t one expect that the possibility of 17 out of 17 going one way was just a tad unlikely ? Like over 1,000,000 to 1 against ?
        
        So prima facie, despite Horowitz’s statement, the evidence for bad faith and political bias is very strong.
        
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        December 11, 2019 5:58pm
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND: Latest speech by Hon Phil Twyford, Minister of Urban Development …

Speech to Government Economics Network 2019 Conference … Hon Phil Twyford … Beehive

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/speech/speech-government-economics-network-2019-conference

I want to talk about one of the most pressing issues in our national life: the housing crisis and the poor performance of our cities.

The argument I want to make to you is that generations of urban land use policy have lacked a decent grounding in economics. The consequences of that have been disastrous. And if we want to turn it around it is going to take bold reform and policies informed by an understanding of urban spatial economics.

The housing crisis has been relentless: the sheer scale of homelessness, poor quality rentals, falling home ownership, out of control housing costs, increased inequality, and intergenerational unfairness. I am sure for many it feels too big to fix, and the public debate is often clouded by single issue advocates.

In my view, only an explanation that looks at supply and demand can make sense of it.

Over the last two decades our housing market has experienced an accumulation of demand pressures, mainly population growth but compounded by tax settings that have encouraged a generation of investors to see rental properties as a uniquely desirable asset class. … read more via hyperlink above …
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… The housing crisis STILL is the major public policy issue … by a country mile …

Ipsos NZ Issues Monitor November 2019

https://www.ipsos.com/en-nz/ipsos-nz-issues-monitor-november-2019
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… and overwhelmingly, New Zealanders detached housing with a backyard …

Survey finds Kiwis’ backyard dream still alive and well (Westpac Bank) … Scoop New Zealand

http://business.scoop.co.nz/2019/05/28/survey-finds-kiwis-backyard-dream-still-alive-and-well/
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December 11, 2019 11:39am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  New stand-alone houses (consents / approvals) pick up … Statistics New Zealand
  
  https://www.stats.govt.nz/news/new-stand-alone-houses-pick-up
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  … with less than 12 months until the late 2020 General Election … the latest TVNZ Colmar Brunton poll …
  
  Labour result lowest in two years, National-ACT could form Govt – 1 NEWS Colmar Brunton poll … TVNZ
  
  https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/labour-result-lowest-in-two-years-national-act-could-form-govt-1-news-colmar-brunton-poll
  
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  December 11, 2019 11:41am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Phil Twyford giving a major speech about housing, given he was sacked as Kiwibuild Minister, is of about as much use as a speech from Hannibal Lechter on going vegan.
  
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  December 11, 2019 11:45am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    To be fair to Hannibal, he did know how to choose wine, and added flava beans to menus. So, he’s already two career successes ahead of Twitford .
    
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    December 11, 2019 3:28pm
    - Tall Man
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIahXVJrvT0
      
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      December 11, 2019 5:16pm
Sarkozygroupie

http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/a-class-act-global-praise-for-jacinda-ardern-after-white-island-eruption/ar-BBY1o97?ocid=ientp

From Newshub. A couple of lefties put a comment on twitter that they’d like to have her as their PM instead of Scomo… and somehow the NZ MSM translated that into something akin to the Nobel peace prize. Simply because she was doing the job shes paid to do as a leader of the country.

Just as well journalists (and I use that term advisedly) here don’t indulge in electioneering in the lead up to an election.
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December 11, 2019 12:03pm
- chaos
  
  I tried to offer her to all my Aussie friends, didn’t really know you could stick Jacinda up there. How rude, can’t even give her away for free
  
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  December 11, 2019 12:39pm
- rangitoto
  
  Aussie are welcome to her, as long as she takes the whole CoL rouges gallery of crooks and incompetents with her.
  
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  December 11, 2019 12:55pm
- Tall Man
  
  “Just as well journalists (and I use that term advisedly) here don’t indulge in electioneering in the lead up to an election.”
  
  Damn you’re funny 🙂
  
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  December 11, 2019 2:06pm
- Nermal
  
  They are desperate. Jacinda’s a fading star. Finland’s female Prime Minister is both younger and more attractive
  
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  December 11, 2019 4:07pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Brother lives in Coffs. He was telling me how great our PTPM was. I said you can have her, come and get her, like tomorrow, before she fucks over NZ more.
  He changed the subject. Yep, a snivelling socialist with 3 houses!
  
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  December 11, 2019 5:38pm
chaos

This is bad from one news. There is no $7.5 billion surplus. 2.6 billion was simply changing how kiwi rail was valued. 1 billion was from ird changes. Fake reporting from one news claiming there is 7.5 billion surplus to spend.

* The latest 1 NEWS Colmar Brunton poll asked: “The Government currently has a $7.5 billion surplus. This means it has collected more money than it has spent. Which of these do you think should be the Government’s priority for the surplus?”*

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/kiwis-want-7-5-billion-surplus-spent-infrastructure-health-education-1-news-poll
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December 11, 2019 12:12pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Didn’t Robbo add back $5 billion of depreciation. That provides no money just numbers a practice not approved by most auditors.
  Are we now going to have the COL fund NZF’s takeover bid for the Auckland Ports to bolster their Northland capture attempts.
  
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  December 11, 2019 2:07pm
Maggie Pie

Older sounding Stoner just calls Shorn Plunket on Magic to say, “…he bought Holden Commador some years ago for $3400. Has now seen ‘similar’ models advertised in Aussie Car Mags for 200k”

LOL!!!!
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December 11, 2019 12:41pm
- Tall Man
  
  Stoner… bang on.
  
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  December 11, 2019 2:00pm
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… Well, way back then I bought a very tidy 1968 Holden Monaro, a genuine 327 Bathurst model. Similar buy price and now prob a 200k car. Rare as.
  
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  December 11, 2019 4:05pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Not a commodore though eh Kevn?
    
    An old mate in Oz has locked away a 1969 Mustang. Amazing car and cheaper than the Monaro of the same year.
    
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    December 11, 2019 5:13pm
chaos

Another song from Simon. At least he has a good voice

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/118107090/national-leader-simon-bridges-freestyles-christmas-song-feliz-navidad-on-the-radio
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December 11, 2019 12:43pm
- Tall Man
  
  He certainly has more guts than I and he triggers the real hatred that only the left can bring.
  
  Love it.
  
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  December 11, 2019 2:04pm
- DigNap15
  
  Yes, and he’s pretty good on the drums too.
  
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  December 11, 2019 7:50pm
Maggie Pie

We’ve just been having lunch out by the pool.
When my partner read this on the NZH site, he said “…..they sound like the local version of a Fred and Rose West – only not as good looking” 🙁

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12292796
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December 11, 2019 1:14pm
- chaos
  
  Interesting, no name suppression, photos no blurred out.
  
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  December 11, 2019 1:16pm
- sam green
  
  Your “partner” has a lot of opinions – do you have any yourself?
  
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  December 11, 2019 10:39pm
Colville

I am not sure which one worries me more, The $12Bil spend up by Robbo or Foster as ABs coach.
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December 11, 2019 1:25pm
cut n paster

The grass is always greener….
https://ibb.co/QXZbs9F
Lies, Fraud, and Virtue Signalling.

And Never look a gift horse in the mouth…..
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December 11, 2019 1:29pm
Happychappy

I have been saying for months the Ports of Aukland battle could end the Coalition and whether Jacinda wants to risk that happening. Shane Jones is to make a announcement on this tomorrow and those in the know say the motto move it or lose is NZ Firsts message , meaning you lose our support if you don’t move it.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/12/11/942527/move-it-or-lose-nzfirst-support
This is a legacy that Winston wants and apparently is prepared to break the Coalition if it is not moved. Barry Soper even hinted the same in his column yesterday. I wonder whether this is ome of the money Grant Robertson is borrowing for infrastructure .
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December 11, 2019 1:36pm
- cut n paster
  
  NZF SW O’ the day
  Port Jones
  https://ibb.co/FJ7VJ4k
  
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  December 11, 2019 2:29pm
  - cut n paster
    
    Woops 🙂
    
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    December 11, 2019 3:53pm
artemisia

Mr Jones taken from Parliament in an ambulance. Mr Peters said because overworked. Compared to his usual activity level?
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December 11, 2019 3:30pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Feeling ‘light headed’ apparently.
  Why would that not be surprising for someone with nothing but a vacuum between the ears?
  
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  December 11, 2019 8:45pm
  - Tall Man
    
    De rigueur for the coalition…..
    
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    December 11, 2019 8:51pm
Engelbert Humperdink

Can I please ask Santa for everyone to lose – Liebour, Grunts, NZ Last & Drunkest – the whole damn lot.

Clone Seymour and add 100 people picked at random from rural & town phone books.

That’ll work out well.

Thanks, Santa.
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December 11, 2019 3:31pm
chaos

Good luck, hopefully it is nothing serious

* NZ First Minister Shane Jones has been hospitalised after feeling very light-headed.

Jones, who was answering questions from journalists on Wednesday afternoon, left Parliament shortly afterwards in an ambulance.

A Wellington Free Ambulance spokeswoman confirmed an ambulance had attended an incident in Parliament and the person had been sent to Wellington Hospital in a “moderate condition.”*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/118122949/shane-jones-hospitalised-after-feeling-lightheaded
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December 11, 2019 3:32pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  Airheads get them feelz sometimes.
  
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  December 11, 2019 4:34pm
- Tall Man
  
  Better than “feeling” the staff I suppose.
  
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  December 11, 2019 5:11pm
cmm

I see NZ’s “promising golfer” is in the news again…

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/118115780/christchurch-man-who-plotted-terroriststyle-attack-urged-to-accept-help

Getting off a terror-plotting charge with free golf lessons is not enough.

Nope, he then has to go out of his way to threaten and abuse the people trying to help him and hand him a free pass and flagrantly ignore his supervision orders.

So much for taking advantage of his opportunities.

” Judge O’Driscoll … suggested it would be good for the man to apologise to the person he had abused and threatened at his previous accommodation.”

I wonder how long before he REALLY gets his last chance?

The judge is pleading with him to accept help.
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December 11, 2019 3:36pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  He admitted using phones in breach of his supervision order, but authorities established he had only accessed some pornography and had not visited any radicalising sites.
  
  The guy wants to access porn, fgs!
  he’s 20 years old…
  If he can’t use his phone, perhaps he needs some magazines.
  
  Do the authorities really think they are helping this chap?
  
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  December 11, 2019 3:48pm
  - Tall Man
    
    https://www.walmart.com/ip/WESTWARD-45RC18-32-oz-Ball-Peen-Hammer-15-1-4-Poly-Thermoplastic-Handle/241761840
    
    Cheaper than golf lessons and guaranteed to modify behaviour.
    
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    December 11, 2019 5:10pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Thats exactly what i keep in the door-pocket of my Q5. [except mines got a blonde wooden handle]
      Ever since i showed my partners mum, shes been calling me.. “Mrs. Sutcliffe” LOL!!
      
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      December 11, 2019 5:57pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Don’t swing it, just use your wrist 🙂
        
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        December 11, 2019 8:49pm
- Nostradamus
  
  CMM:
  
  It’s interesting to go back to this 2018 article.
  
  In court the 18-year old asked if he could read a statement he had written for the judge. Permission was granted and he then stood and began reading.
  
  So what did he say?
  
  “Positive goals I have been working on include correspondence, life skills, history courses and counselling. I have been attending all my counselling sessions … My favourite activity is golf. I have been attending visits at the mosque and have been discussing religious viewpoints. I have been working on strategies to help me deal with the problems I face in life … I am also learning to respect other people and their opinions. … I feel much better in myself and feel more positive about life in general. I still have things to work on, but I am getting there slowly with the help of the [residence].”
  
  He received a standing ovation:
  
  Community Corrections told the judge they were very pleased with his progress.
  
  Judge O’Driscoll said … “I am very pleased with what I have read in the reports that have been provided to me saying you are making progress and there has been a marked improvement in your attitude and your general outlook on life.”
  
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  December 11, 2019 3:52pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    What will be the consequences for any judge who gets it wrong and releases this jihadist-in-embryo to wreak havoc upon us.
    
    Answer = crickets.
    
    In other words, exactly the same consequences for the Government agents who turned Tarrant loose to commit his atrocity.
    
    Also = crickets.
    
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    December 11, 2019 4:36pm
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      Is that you, Chris Cahill…?
      
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      December 11, 2019 5:17pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  I’ve often wondered how on earth they chose a particular Judge to hear certain cases. Or is it just random?
  If it is, you can bet Brenton will be sitting there hoping to get good ol’ Drissie drawn out of the hat..
  
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  December 11, 2019 4:00pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    He’ll be hoping wrong if he is expecting a district court judge to preside over his murder trial…
    
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    December 11, 2019 4:31pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Maggy Pie:
    
    Do think this judge might have what it takes to manage a terrorism trial?
    
    A judge has been accused of using her courtroom to have group sex with lawyers. Kentucky judge Dawn Gentry has also been accused of pressurising lawyers into having threesomes with her and her ex-pastor lover while in the courtroom. Lawyers who turned her requests down have claimed they were then not given preferential treatment in their clients’ cases.
    
    She denies the allegations (of course). But it’s equally unprofessional for lawyers to complain about “not [being] given preferential treatment in their clients’ cases” – depending, of course, on what “preferential treatment” they were hoping for.
    
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    December 11, 2019 5:25pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      WOW!!
      As my partner just said, “Gives a hole new meaning to here cums da’ judge” 😛
      
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      December 11, 2019 7:05pm
Tall Man

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/politics/government-to-borrow-19-billion-to-spend-12-billion-on-infrastructure/

Have a look at ardern. Now there’s a face saying “WTF is he talking about”.

Numbers, that’s her weakness. Anything over a handful. Another liebour promise with nary a detail in sight.
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December 11, 2019 5:22pm
- niggly
  
  So $19b (borrowed) – $12b (to be spent on infrastructure) = $7b deficit.
  
  Hmmm, Robbo has just confirmed the existence of the $7b fiscal hole that Stephen Joyce predicted!
  
  And all within 2 years of becoming govt! Go Robbo and the CoL! //
  
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  December 11, 2019 6:49pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Watch the media highlight that point…………….
    
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    December 11, 2019 8:48pm
rightoverlabour

Hey Trump haters, have a read of this….

Quote: “On the very same day the deranged media and demented Democrats announced two articles of impeachment against Trump, his average job approval rating is higher than Obama’s was on this same day during his first (failed) term as president.

As of today, Trump enjoys an average approval rating of 45 percent.

On this same day during his (failed) presidency, Obama averaged just a 43.5 approval rating.”

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/12/10/nolte-massive-media-fail-as-poll-of-polls-prove-trumps-more-popular-than-obama/#

Roll on 2020 MAGA and MAGA…
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December 11, 2019 5:52pm
- Batman
  
  Lololol Breitbart? The original home of deranged fake news?
  
  Let’s look at some context. Trump is on 45 with (as you Trumpets love to say) low unemployment, a good economy, a high stock market etc etc.
  
  Meanwhile, Obama was at the tail end of the great recession, sluggish recovery growth, had to bail out the auto industry, and was pushing through controversial healthcare reform.
  
  But you think a 1.5 percent lead for Trump is somehow better? You people crack me up ?
  
  How about:
  
  https://www.newsweek.com/conservative-attorney-group-slams-trumps-ag-bill-barr-has-grossly-mischaracterized-subverted-1476515?amp=1&__twitter_impression=true
  
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  December 11, 2019 6:32pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    How about a bit more context?
    558’s aggregation of polls gives a current approval of 41.7% and disapproval of 53.6%. At the same period in his term, Obama’s ratings were 43.8% approval and 49.3% disapproval.
    Even the RCP average touted by Breitbart has Trump’s disapproval at 53.3%, versus the trumpeted 45%.
    Trump’s approval ratings have been in the toilet since the second week of his presidency, and his unpopularity is unmatched by any president in the modern era of opinion polling.
    
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    December 11, 2019 6:52pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  My personal observation is that President Trump has a large advantage due to his effective use of social media.
  
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  December 12, 2019 7:12pm
Engelbert Humperdink

On a day otherwise full of bad news, I got my MAGA hat.

Make Arden Go Away…
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December 11, 2019 6:24pm
Rodney Randall

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/118050715/christchurch-city-councillors-in-line-for-11-per-cent-pay-rise

Will try again tonite.

11% is obscene as Hugh P correctly pointed out today.

He was also correct that a Feb protest around Marryatt’s obscene pay rise resulted in both Parker and Marryatt being shown their arse cards.

People indeed have very short memories…
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December 11, 2019 6:49pm
curry4me

One way to slow China down is to refrain from buying ‘blood plastic’ from the big red building. Instead, buy from Vietnamese, South Korean, or Taiwanese drop shippers. Of course, it takes a bit of advance planning.
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December 11, 2019 9:47pm
- Tall Man
  
  Maybe stop buying crap full stop. The amount of absolute rubbish people buy these days is mind numbing.
  
  Look at the average middle class family floor if they have kids under 12. There are more toys and crap being unused than most “boomers” owned as kids in their entire lifetime.
  
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  December 12, 2019 8:11am
mikenmildagain

I had a really good story for the 12 December GD.
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December 12, 2019 2:19pm
- 3-coil
  
  Was that the Shane Jones heart attack story?…bit late bro, that was yesterday’s news! ?
  
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  December 12, 2019 4:21pm
mikenmildagain

I propose to continue this thread if the 13 December GD isn’t up by 9 am.

[Mod – you can propose whatever you want mikenmild, but this is DPF’s blog, and he decides what gets published.]
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December 13, 2019 8:15am
mikenmildagain

OK, so GD for 13 December 2019?

Important anniversary today – 80 years since the Battle of the River Plate. British cruisers Exeter, Ajax and Achilles (later HMNZS Achillies) engae the German pocket battleship Graf Spee off Monevideo.
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