General Debate – 14 December 2019

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tedbear

So Julie Anne Genter is being very generous with our money.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/405461/government-employees-to-get-e-bike-discount-of-up-to-50-percent

If all 50,000 public sector workers take up the offer, then at $750 average govt subsidy that amounts to $37.5 million.

“The discount initiative has been launched by the Associate Minister of Transport to improve health and reduce emissions.”
I’m not too sure about the health aspect. If the employees are biking to and from work every day, then it’s going to be raining and cold on many days.
And on emissions? I doubt there’ll be much reduction when you consider the emissions produced in the manufacture and shipping of 50,000 new e-bikes.

Genter also said “When staff bike to work it takes pressures off parking in places like Wellington Hospital and reduces congestion.”
Right so all the employer-provided cars can be sold off?
They’ll still need parking places for the bikes and more than likely covered, plus of course they’ll need charging facilities at all work places.
All that will cost many more $millions.
Pesky details.

Then there’s the question of insurance.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/363037/insurance-may-not-cover-e-bikes-drones
More pesky details.
We can’t expect greenie idiots to dot the i’s and cross the t’s now can we.
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December 14, 2019 9:27am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Wellington’s weather, hills, narrow roads, impatient car drivers, and learner bus drivers will present daily challenges for the e-bikers.
  
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  December 14, 2019 9:37am
  - chaos
    
    It’s not just for Wellington, but nationwide, councils, dhb, etc. should be interesting when an emergency call comes in for hospital staff and they get on their bikes. Even more interesting in winter when all bikes are left home so people can go to work dry and warm
    
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    December 14, 2019 9:42am
    - Nickc2
      
      Yep, ambulances will be Tandem E-Bikes with trailers and plods will be riding E-Bikes with sirens.
      
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      December 14, 2019 10:01am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Yep, and the gangs will all be on bikes as well as part of their ‘we are just misunderstood’ image but, they will still be wet fart Harleys with semi automatics tucked into the paniers . . .
        
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        December 14, 2019 11:44am
  - tedbear
    
    Indeed Maggie and many of these new bikies should be displaying L plates as well.
    And speaking of plates, isn’t it high time e-bikes require registration? For example, red light runners and speedsters.
    Not to mention wof’s too.
    
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    December 14, 2019 9:49am
    - sooty
      
      Bicycle need registration plates as well!
      Don’t forget it’s the poor bloody taxpayer paying for this largess fromm the COL.
      
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      December 14, 2019 11:44am
      - tedbear
        
        That’s what I’m saying Sooty.
        Motor vehicle licensing is where you pay a fee to use your vehicle on public roads so an e-bike and pedal-powered bikes are no different.
        
        With anyone e-biking and pedalling to and from work, the hours involved will require lights on these vehicles, no doubt about it. Thus every single bike including those used by kids going to school must have a wof.
        
        To be honest I’m surprised the taxman hasn’t demanded registration and wofs for bikes already. Money for old rope.
        
        Another thing I’m suprised about not brought in as yet is compulsory insurance for all vehicles using the roads.
        Overseas you can’t have your vehicle tested for a wof if you don’t have insurance.
        
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        December 14, 2019 12:23pm
    - Jack5
      
      Then there’s ACC. Motorists and motor-bikers contribute to ACC through registration and through the levy on petrol and diesel’s road user charges.
      
      Cyclists are getting a free ride on ACC.
      
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      December 14, 2019 12:21pm
  - david
    
    It might thin down the numbers though.
    
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    December 14, 2019 11:54am
  - rouppe
    
    Don’t know why you’re focusing on Wellington. Plenty of government workers in other places too.
    
    Plus, you keep on believing all that stuff about the weather. The fact is that average rainfall and wind speeds are greater in Auckland than Wellington
    
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    December 14, 2019 6:31pm
- kevn
  
  E-cycling along in your work suit with laptop and lunch… Nah.
  Be great to have an E-bike for the weekends though.
  
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  December 14, 2019 9:38am
  - Sydney Alvarado
    
    Yes and that is exactky what will happen. Prosperous state sector workers being subsidised for weekend cycling. It makes me angry. The Greens seem to specialise in regressive policy.
    
    My informed guess is that betwen one and two percent of Wellington public servants ride bikes to work. The terrain and climate means you need access to a wardrobe of business clothes and showers. Some of the new office buildings are well equipped. But most of the older ones will have one or two mouldy showers in the basement. And where do you store your clothes?
    
    This scheme will have an immeasurable impact on any take up of commuting cycling.
    
    If there is a Green Labour Government after 2020 free of New Zealand First expect to see this stuff on steroids, culminating in an eventual ban on the importation of petroleum powered cars, SUVs, and light trucks. I predict a ban date of betwen 2030 and 2035.
    
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    December 14, 2019 10:05am
    - kevn
      
      @Sydney… Think of the E-bikes (and E-cars) as being powered by ‘blood batteries’. Green dream?
      Folks need to do a bit of research on cobalt and pollutive lithium extraction. Not nice.
      Child slave labour in Congo and Bolivia especially.
      Technology will eventually save the concept no doubt.
      There is talk of lithium being extracted now from thermal fluid in NZ.
      
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      December 14, 2019 10:29am
      - curry4me
        
        Japan has recently discovered a large source of lithium in their own territory. Enough to last hundreds of years.
        
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        December 14, 2019 2:53pm
    - niggly
      
      “And where do you store your clothes?”
      
      Will building owners be mandated to convert existing spaces into changing rooms? (In some cases they will be premium in terms of cost per square metre)!
      
      After all with open plan offices in vogue it’s not like some civil servants will have a private office to change in anymore, not even some managers!
      
      Then what about those public servants that think, meh, why bother changing – lycra becomes the new “informal” dress code replacing suits – jeepers imagine that!
      
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      December 14, 2019 10:31am
      - Sydney Alvarado
        
        Most open plan offices in the state sector now are noisy crowded shit holes. In most cases not even the CE has an office. Most agencies are moving to hot desking where you get a locker to store your stuff. But some numpties “claim” a desk by piling their crap all over it. This nightmare is being amplified by soaring numbers of public servants and contractors.
        
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        December 14, 2019 11:00am
      - Batman
        
        Sensitive wee petal. Have a lie down ?
        
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        December 14, 2019 11:02am
      - niggly
        
        Good point, must spend further taxpayer money creating “safe spaces” for workplaces – there is sooo much to take offence from nowadays, of course! Hmm each workplace might need more than one then! 😉
        
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        December 14, 2019 11:11am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        @ Sydney Hot Desking will soon raise an ugly side affect, transmission of diseases, via keyboard. My wife when she hot desked went through a ton of sanitising wipes every day. Just think, some feral goes to the loo, comes back and starts typing… Did it wash its hands after the deed?. And some people eat lunch at said keyboard?
        
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        December 14, 2019 11:59am
      - Sydney Alvarado
        
        When I need to work in the offices of public sector clients I take my own keyboard and mouse. The ones they provide are covered in crumbs, dead skin, and hair.
        
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        December 14, 2019 12:27pm
    - igm
      
      We need a strong competent opposition, these clowns are beyond a joke, and we must have a strong opposition leader to sort this crap out NOW!
      
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      December 14, 2019 10:48am
    - david
      
      Coming to a Government office near you. Smelly people dressed in Lycra behind the counter.
      
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      December 14, 2019 11:56am
    - Paulus
      
      I have three public servants in my family in Wellington.
      Can I get one subsidised bike from each and let two off as rentals ?
      
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      December 14, 2019 1:15pm
      - Sydney Alvarado
        
        Yes you can.
        
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        December 15, 2019 6:51am
- Nickc2
  
  There are obviously no mental checkups carried out on people entering Parliament is there?
  
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  December 14, 2019 9:46am
- artemisia
  
  Watch the department’s hot water bill skyrocket. All those cold, wet, sweaty riders queuing for showers in the morning.
  
  Got to have a plan to use the spare electricity if the alu smelter closes down.
  
  Genius.
  
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  December 14, 2019 9:50am
  - Sydney Alvarado
    
    I have worked in about 10 State Sector office buildings in Wellington. Only one had decent shower facilities and lockers to store your clothes. All the others have one or two mouldy showers surrounded by cardboard boxes of forgotten mouldy towels and gym gear. It is hideous.
    
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    December 14, 2019 10:09am
    - niggly
      
      Who said anything about civil servants say LabourGreensNZF, we will ensure Parliament house, the Beehive and Bowen House have the appropriate shower facilities built and all will be well in our world, clink goes the chardonnay glasses as they say cheers to the generous taxpayer funding their lifestyles!
      
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      December 14, 2019 10:38am
      - Paulus
        
        Tauranga Council are putting up a new “Parking” building primarily for Council employees with all the bike, shower and every conceivable facilities for the users.
        But construction work has stopped as building stopped as somebody has stuffed the construction – will probably have to be taken down and restarted from foundations.
        Steel framework work from foundations to about sixth level lying exposed and idle as nobody knows what to do.
        
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        December 14, 2019 1:20pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Our boss kept them at his desk.. (Open-plan office)
      
      meant that if you stayed at work after 5:30pm you would likely see Jock Phillips in his undies as he changed into his trackpants to cycle home.
      
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      December 14, 2019 10:44am
      - sooty
        
        I thought the idea was not to wear undies under lycra!
        
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        December 14, 2019 11:48am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Sorry sooty… reported you, meant to reply…
        
        Jock didn’t wear Lycra…
        looked like old gardening /tramping gear.
        
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        December 14, 2019 12:13pm
      - Jack5
        
        Maggy, I trust it was Jock’s lycra shorts themselves that looked like “old gardening /tramping gear”. ?
        
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        December 14, 2019 12:29pm
- Sydney Alvarado
  
  Why doesn’t Singapore have hundreds of scum like this? Can’t we just do what they do?
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/118050475/doublebunked-prisoners-paranoia-if-his-cellmate-was-not-from-the-mob
  
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  December 14, 2019 9:56am
- fernglas
  
  The article to which you linked says that the cheaper E-bikes are as a result of the Government negotiating bulk purchase deals, so I don’t see how it will cost anything.
  Pesky details.
  
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  December 14, 2019 9:59am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    So why not make them open for purchase to all NZers?
    Why give this benefit to Public Servants only?
    
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    December 14, 2019 10:58am
    - Lee C
      
      “Why give this benefit to Public Servants only?”
      
      one word, Maggy:
      
      votes.
      
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      December 14, 2019 12:04pm
      - backster
        
        They will probably apply the full 50% discount to those Public Servants who are members of the Union.
        
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        December 14, 2019 4:24pm
    - fernglas
      
      My thoughts exactly Maggy. And while they’re about it, they could do the same with a range of green things; e-scooters, sports shoes, heat pumps, insulation, double glazing and even houses………. no, wait, they already tried that and fucked it up completely.
      
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      December 14, 2019 12:23pm
      - niggly
        
        Comrades, comrades, comrades let me absoludely refute that anything got f*cked up completely, I can assure you we had a “reset” to fix it and everything is ok again, ok!
        
        Why look at this copy of the NZF Herald, guest editor Winston says the people have 100% confidence in our abilidies! I will thank all NZers for their support in the next copy of the NZF Women’s Weekly guest edited by Tracy, please place your orders now and if you don’t have any spare cash on hand don’t worry we can deduct the cost from your wages instead!
        
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        December 14, 2019 1:07pm
- Ian Boag
  
  All 50,000 are going to take this up? Wot? I would be surprised if 5% of them do. Speaking as an e-bike owner myself. And it’s not a subsidy anyway – just passing on the benefit of large-scale purchasing.
  
  Personally I think it’s a bit of a fizzer and won’t amount to a hill of beans.
  
  Here in Palmy North we have a new IRD building on the edge of the CBD. Parking is getting to be a problem and parked cars are fanning out further and further into “adjacent” and “not so adjacent” residential streets. There is not much of a local bus service.
  
  There is talk – not sure how serious – of subsidising people into e-scooters to make the “last mile” a bit more tolerable. Go figure …..
  
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  December 14, 2019 10:19am
  - kevn
    
    @iboag… I would assume the discount deal was based on a 50,000 buy deal. No doubt they will be dumping ‘the old model’.
    If your prediction is correct, will that mean a flood of surplus E-bikes to hit the market?
    Will folk want to buy ‘the old model’ with less range etc?
    Sounds like another clusterfu*k deal to me. Another no accountability job on the tax-payer.
    
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    December 14, 2019 11:05am
    - Ian Boag
      
      FWIW the range of e-bikes has not changed much in the last few years. Typically 30-odd k’s give or take a bit. New models are not dramatically different to older ones.
      
      You are free to make whatever assumptions float your boat. Like I said – “I think it’s a bit of a fizzer and won’t amount to a hill of beans”.
      
      If it got to 50,000 (it won’t) and there was a “cost” of $35m that money could be used to build 1 km of expressway or fund almost a whole day of the pension …..
      
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      December 14, 2019 11:39am
      - kevn
        
        @iboag FWIW… So, the whole bullsh*t brainfart proposal is a virtue signal appealing to who?
        Certainly not your average tax-payer.
        FWIW… The 50,000 unit discount deal will be based on that volume being out the door. You understand that?
        So, if the uptake will be low as you suggest, it going to be a problem. Not to you it seems.
        
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        December 14, 2019 11:51am
      - Ian Boag
        
        Kev
        
        50,000 unit discount … out the door
        
        Looks like you have access to more info than I do
        
        Just looking on alibaba. Seems you can buy a basic e-bike quantity 100 for about $US600 = $NZ1k. 100 bikes in a 20-footer would cost about $50-60 each. GST another $150. Say $1200 all up …. Make what you will of the sums ….
        
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        December 14, 2019 12:20pm
- Yvette
  
  Tedbear –
  Active cycling-related claims have cost the Accident Compensation Corporation (ACC) $68 million between July 01, 2018 and June 30, 2019.
  https://www.insurancebusinessmag.com/nz/news/breaking-news/cycling-injuries-cost-acc-68-million-173071.aspx
  
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  December 14, 2019 10:34am
- alloytoo
  
  I’m concerned about taxpayer funding being used to favour a specific group of people.
  
  Not only does does this smack of nepotism and corruption, but what about the tax implication of this middleclass welfare?
  
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  December 14, 2019 11:30am
- tf78
  
  Where are the health benefits of sitting on an electric scooter, there’s nothing physical about it – all you get is lungs full of car and bus exhaust fumes. Or do government workers get the E bikes and the plebs get the bicycles -mandarin collars looking likely.
  
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  December 14, 2019 12:32pm
- backster
  
  With 50% discount, should be a good secondary market on Trade Me at say a 25% discount.
  
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  December 14, 2019 4:21pm
- Positan
  
  And there’s the additional fact that anything lightly won is always lightly valued – so small essentials like bike care and garaging, security and maintenance will be expectedly low on the “lucky” ones’ list of priorities. How long will most of the bikes last before they’re only suitable to be consigned to the bin? How long will it take for the taxpayers’ monies spent to be completely squandered?
  
  How much longer is it going to take for the realisation to dawn that MMP has been the most colossal con ever perpetrated on this country? FPP could never have set us up with hopelessly inadequate MPs like Genter – individuals who’d have failed disastrously, never gaining electorate seats.
  
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  December 14, 2019 8:09pm
- freethinker
  
  This is blatant discrimination but sets a useful precedent for use in future against those same Govt employees especially Labour/Green/ NZ 1st if they still exist . Lets say a $5000 exemption from Income Tax is introduced but excludes all those receiving the e bike subsidy.
  
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  December 14, 2019 8:12pm
- calendar girl
  
  Great comment, tedbear. Keep sticking this kind common sense at these socialist dreamers – most of them are detached from reality, and the rest are easily lead.
  
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  December 14, 2019 10:23pm
mikenmildagain

RIP Peter Snell.
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December 14, 2019 9:28am
- Tall Man
  
  As a young runner he was an idol of mine and his “use it or lose it” mantra is great advice.
  
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  December 14, 2019 9:37am
- Happychappy
  
  Yes a great athlete that kept NZ name for producing middle distance runners in the top echelon of the world in the 1960’s.
  
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  December 14, 2019 10:06am
- Martin Williams
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  RIP Kokila Patel
  
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  December 14, 2019 10:12am
  - Batman
    
    Very poor taste.
    
    Besides, is 9am not a more civilised time for political hackery to begin?
    
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    December 14, 2019 10:43am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Surely Martin Williams deserves a sterner rebuttal? Essentially desiring the untimely death of one of DPFs people. I’d respond, but my diatribe would be moderated to death.
      
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      December 14, 2019 12:02pm
      - Tall Man
        
        He’s a lefty, trivialising another’s death is just so so funny…………….
        
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        December 14, 2019 5:38pm
      - Martin Williams
        
        Chrissake lighten up, Jo’burg.
        
        Dangerous practice being such a snowflake in this weather!
        
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        December 14, 2019 6:48pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Yes it is. Thanks Batman now relax a bit on the ardern screen eh?
      
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      December 14, 2019 5:37pm
  - Lee C
    
    Shame.
    
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    December 14, 2019 12:45pm
- yossarian
  
  To give you some perspective on how great Snell was, the men’s Olympic 800-1500 double hasn’t been done since.
  
  Totally unbelievable feat of endurance
  
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  December 14, 2019 10:24am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Only at the European championship, but an 18 year old won the 1500/5000 double in 2019. Hard work getting up to win two races even a day apart.
    
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    December 14, 2019 2:48pm
sooty

I see you have got up. Did the others sleep in after drowning their sorrows!
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December 14, 2019 9:28am
peterwn

Had two spam phone calls recently. One was from some Asian boiler room saying they were from some Chinese bank saying that someone had withdrawn $1200 from my NZ bank account. I asked why they had contacted my NZ bank and they muttered something about ANZ (which I do not use) then hung up.
Then one from some Kiwi boiler room on behalf of Mercury. She pointed out the call was being recorded and said power prices were increasing next year and offered an extra prompt payment discount if I would lock in for the next two years (that would be why the call was recorded – to provide evidence of the lock-in contract if I accepted).. I wonder what the pie eater would think of this. I refused to bite. Anyway with reducing network charges and with the possibility of Tiwai pulling the plug, power prices could well go down, not up!
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December 14, 2019 9:32am
- chaos
  
  Contact told us that power prices are dropping next year
  
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  December 14, 2019 9:43am
- Ed Snack
  
  Even if Tiwai shuts down, the power from Manapouri can’t get to the general grid in any volume because the Manapouri to Benmore circuits are inadequate. There’s a several billion potential project to implement that, but until then, Manapouri is of very limited use outside the smelter supply.
  
  So if power prices are to drop next year, it isn’t for that reason.
  
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  December 14, 2019 2:51pm
Maggie Pie

Just got a txt from my partners mum inviting us over for dinner.
She said, “….come about 6:30. No need to bring anything”.
[ I didn’t have the heart to tell her that I WILL be bringing my own towel 🙁 ]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/10539812/woman-uses-mother-in-law-vagina-towel-mistake/
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December 14, 2019 9:32am
JibberJabber

Let`s hope Thornberry runs for the Leader of the Labour Party, release the Thornberry Balloon.
https://twitter.com/RodgerT9/status/1205390558924955648
It`s supposed to be Trump but the resemblance is uncanny.
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December 14, 2019 9:33am
JibberJabber

The Left do impotent tears of rage so well,
https://twitter.com/TitaniaMcGrath/status/1205527699470598146
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December 14, 2019 9:38am
- CJames
  
  Yes – there are so many who take Titania as real and rail against her. The ultimate reverse trolling.
  
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  December 14, 2019 10:15am
- Rich Prick
  
  The sore losers are predictably calling for electoral reform. To a “best of five” contest I imagine.
  
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  December 14, 2019 1:19pm
marcmywords

Historic victory in Britain, and it doesn’t even make it to the top 10 articles on the Herald
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December 14, 2019 9:39am
- michael_s2
  
  Labour and NZ First’s polling is clearly nose-diving, witness today’s Herald reading like the Coalition Government’s House journal. Not one mention of the decimation of Labour in the UK election in the first 20 pages but many flattering references to SaintJacinda who as a former President of Socialist Youth International has the same leadership beliefs as Jeremy Corbyn.
  No wonder the Herald doesn’t want to feature Corbyn’s defeat.
  
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  December 14, 2019 10:52am
  - sooty
    
    Cindy said he was running as an independant, just like Justin!
    
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    December 14, 2019 11:55am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Corbyn’s defeat is a prelude to Arderns if Winston doesn’t trigger an earlier exeunt omnes of the COL.
    
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    December 14, 2019 12:23pm
  - Jack5
    
    The media will be sucking up to the Government to get a merger allowed between NZME (the Herald’s owner), and Stuff.
    
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    December 14, 2019 12:32pm
    - curry4me
      
      They can call the new organization StuffMe.
      
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      December 14, 2019 3:12pm
- kevn
  
  @marc… Yep, so obvious the slant is within the NZ Herald.
  The people spoke… “how dare they”.
  
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  December 14, 2019 12:35pm
Mobile Michael

The BBC have polled film critics and published a list of the 100 best films directed by women, with The Piano topping the poll, and other well known films like The Hurt Locker and Lost in Translation sprinkled in with a lot of arthouse movies. (No Wonder Woman, which is the highest grossing film directed by a women and no Captain Marvel, which is the highest grossing film with a woman co-director – but what would expect from snobby critics.)

Number 35 is The Matrix, which was credited to ‘The Wachowski Brothers’.
http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20191125-the-100-greatest-films-directed-by-women-poll
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December 14, 2019 9:40am
- Fletch
  
  I must admit that Lost in Translation is one of my favorite films…
  
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  December 14, 2019 10:00am
- Fletch
  
  Number 35 is The Matrix, which was credited to ‘The Wachowski Brothers’.
  
  Yeh, both brothers “transitioned” into women. First one, then the other….. ?
  
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  December 14, 2019 10:13am
  - Mobile Michael
    
    Clearly I’m not woke enough to think a film credited to “brothers” can be female directed.
    
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    December 14, 2019 11:47am
    - Jack5
      
      The poll is by BBC Culture, which comprises a bunch of wide awokers.
      
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      December 14, 2019 12:36pm
Swifty

Democracy must prevail…..

https://twitter.com/i/status/1205151408015708160

🙂
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December 14, 2019 9:46am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Not the result they wanted, let’s have another election
  
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  December 14, 2019 9:50am
  - CJames
    
    If you go to Titania’s Twitter account , the commenters are already calling for best of 5 and pointing out that Gina Miller has the casting vote on just an indicative election.
    
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    December 14, 2019 10:18am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Last year. All class, something lacking in NZ. PTPM just visits schools.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO4quvokpBo&feature=share
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December 14, 2019 9:48am
- Stephieboy2
  
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  “Exclusive Interview: Melania Trump sits down with Hannity”
  
  Now who would have guessed?:. The Lady of the Whitehouse Propaganda show
  
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  December 14, 2019 9:58am
  - Fletch
    
    Because Michelle Obama never did that with media friendly to her?
    
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    December 14, 2019 10:14am
    - Inandout
      
      Fletch, not a name to be mentioned without breaking into a smile.
      
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      December 14, 2019 10:28am
    - softail 1450
      
      Fletch ,Michelle had a fear of getting her tackle tangled in the interview seat ,LOL.
      
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      December 14, 2019 5:49pm
  - Jules99
    
    She’s been interviewed by CNN and ABC as well. Wake up.
    
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    December 14, 2019 11:22am
- Tall Man
  
  Come on, that’s a bit unfair… we’ve got jethro….. What does she know about fishing 🙂
  
  As soon as I read your comment I though that the “haters” will be out in force and before I can even logon shithead steffy appears.
  
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  December 14, 2019 10:25am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The downtickers have no concept of ‘class’
    
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    December 14, 2019 11:10am
    - Tall Man
      
      And they’re consistently classless 😉
      
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      December 14, 2019 1:14pm
slightlyrighty

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/dec/12/general-election-2019-uk-live-labour-tories-corbyn-boris-johnson-results-exit-poll

I see that there are now protests in the street against the election results? Honestly, the far left just can’t fucking help themselves can they!
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December 14, 2019 9:53am
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Craig Murray: The disillusionment will be on the same scale as Johnson’s bombastic promises.

It is very difficult to collect my thoughts into something coherent after four hours sleep in the last 48 hours, but these are heads of key issues to be developed later.

I have no doubt that the Johnson government will very quickly become the most unpopular in UK political history. The ultra-hard Brexit he is pushing will not be the panacea which the deluded anticipate. It will have a negative economic impact felt most keenly in the remaining industry of the Midlands and North East of England. Deregulation will worsen conditions for those fortunate enough to have employment, as will further benefits squeezes. Immigration will not in practice reduce; what will reduce are the rights and conditions for the immigrants.

Decaying, left-behind towns will moulder further. The fishing industry will very quickly be sold down the river in trade negotiations with the EU – access to fishing (and most of the UK fishing grounds are Scottish) is one of the few decent offers Boris has to make to the EU in seeking market access. His Brexit deal will take years and be overwhelmingly fashioned to benefit the City of London.

There is zero chance the Conservatives will employ a sizeable number of extra nurses: they just will not be prepared to put in the money. They will employ more policemen. In a couple of years time they will need them for widespread riots. They will not build any significant portion of the hospitals or other infrastructure they promised. They most certainly will do nothing effective about climate change. These were simply dishonest promises. The NHS will continue to crumble with more and more of its service provision contracted out, and more and more of its money going into private shareholders’ pockets (including many Tory MPs).

The disillusionment will be on the same scale as Johnson’s bombastic promises. The Establishment are not stupid and realise there will be an anti-Tory reaction. Their major effort will therefore be to change Labour back into a party supporting neo-liberal economic policy and neo-conservative foreign (or rather war) policy. They will want to be quite certain that, having seen off the Labour Party’s popular European style social democratic programme with Brexit anti-immigrant fervour, the electorate have no effective non-right wing choice at the next election, just like in the Blair years.

To that end, every Blairite horror has been resurrected already by the BBC to tell us that the Labour Party must now move right – McNicol, McTernan, Campbell, Hazarayika and many more, not to mention the platforms given to Caroline Flint, Ruth Smeeth and John Mann. The most important immediate fight for radicals in England is to maintain Labour as a mainstream European social democratic party and resist its reversion to a Clinton style right wing ultra capitalist party. Whether that is possible depends how many of the Momentum generation lose heart and quit. ….

Read more…
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/12/resolution/
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December 14, 2019 10:09am
- Tall Man
  
  “It is very difficult to collect my thoughts”
  
  Don’t bother.
  
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  December 14, 2019 10:26am
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    Exactly—why should you bother your little brain actually reading something by one of the finest thinkers in Britain?
    
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    December 14, 2019 10:35am
    - niggly
      
      Finest thinkers? Sorry Morrissey to me he comes across as a right-proper twat!
      
      He doesn’t even pass the “picture yourself having a beer with him” test – he’d drive everyone out of the pub with his over the top bombastic ranting clichés!
      
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      December 14, 2019 10:55am
      - Swifty
        
        Has a thing for Uzbek belly dancers though.
        
        Even left his missus for one!
        
        🙂
        
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        December 14, 2019 11:20am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Thinkers can think appalling thoughts but most are never doers.
      Thinkers can be scaredy cats, doers have to realists.
      Politicians have to be realists too as they have to decide and act, not sit on their tails while focus group after focus group puts forward their ideas. That feeds no one. The business of Govt is actual welfare not talking about it.
      
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      December 14, 2019 12:17pm
    - MrTips
      
      Ah Morrisey, heaven knows you’re miserable now eh?
      
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      December 14, 2019 12:25pm
  - Swifty
    
    You’ll notice that, like Stiffy (and Mr Pathetic), Morrissey doesn’t write his own pieces here, oh no, he just merely copies and pastes the writings of others.
    
    What does this say about him?
    
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    December 14, 2019 10:49am
    - sam green
      
      That he can read?
      
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      December 14, 2019 11:15am
      - Swifty
        
        You’d hope so given his trade.
        
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        December 14, 2019 1:43pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Poor old Morrissey’s a bit of a sore loser eh.
  Why am I not surprised?
  
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  December 14, 2019 11:10am
  - Swifty
    
    Lucky for his pupils that the school year has finished.
    
    He’ll be insufferable come Monday.
    
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    December 14, 2019 11:22am
- WaveyDavey
  
  Craig Murray and “finest thinker”
  
  Would that be the pro-Russian and borderline anti-semitic conspiracy theorist Craig Murray?
  
  Scratch a lefty and the jew-hatred soon shows up
  
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  December 14, 2019 11:10am
  - dcrane
    
    Sorry, you won’t get away with that without supplying some examples of this supposed “anti-semitism”. Craig Murray is a good guy, and he’s not pro-Russian but anti-the cynical New Cold War being ginned up to serve US/UK imperial interests. Otherwise you might be just a paid hack spreading the propaganda that worked so well against the hapless Corbyn. They’ve already begin using the same tactic against Sanders, bizarrely.
    
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/bernie-sanders-campaign-has-an-anti-semitism-problem
    
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    December 14, 2019 8:33pm
    - WaveyDavey
      
      Yawn. Tedious dimwit is tedious.
      
      One of this “finest thinker’s” very own tweets:
      
      “Remarkable correlation between Labour MPs who attacked Corbyn in EDM wanting no investigation into Salisbury before firmly attributing blame, and parliamentary Labour Friends of Israel, I wonder why? ”
      
      Conspiracy theory at its finest.
      
      More here on this “finest thinker” here:
      
      https://www.newstatesman.com/2018/03/how-conspiracy-theories-about-salisbury-attack-tap-antisemitic-tropes
      
      You do understand that the NS is very much left-of-centre don’t you?
      
      BTW I’m a paid hack as much as you’re a Russian shill if you want to play that f*cking tedious game. Grow the f*ck up.
      
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      December 14, 2019 9:35pm
      - dcrane
        
        Reading comprehension moment: I said you might be a paid hack if you wouldn’t give examples.
        
        And although you replied I still don’t see any examples, so you’re unwittingly spreading a vile smear. People who abuse the serious concept of antisemitism to serve the interests of the powerful people pushing the new cold war are a frustrating lot to me.
        
        Btw the UK govt narrative about Salisbury makes no sense. I don’t know what happened, but it wasn’t what they claim. See also the new OPCW whistleblower scandal on Syria…
        
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        December 15, 2019 7:39am
- Lee C
  
  The backlash has started.
  
  Sanctimonious people blindly reinforcing their own snobbery and illustrating how they are incapable of accepting that people have different ideas to them, and that they have the intelligence to form their own decisions.
  
  Deplorable, isn’t it?
  
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  December 14, 2019 12:13pm
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Corbyn not the only one put to the voter sword,

“Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party suffers humiliating result in UK election”

Nigel Farage has suffered a humiliating defeat in the UK election, with exit polls showing the newly formed Brexit Party winning zero of the 130 seats it was challenging….”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12293580
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December 14, 2019 10:09am
- KevO'Brien
  
  You don’t read do you?
  The Brexit Party did not put up candidates so as to assist in this splendid election result.
  
  Why do you socialist advocates so closely stick together. Corbyn was a disaster as an offering for PM. When he couldn’t be seen to have a stand on either leg he was plainly loser material.
  Imagine if Ardern couldn’t decide if she wanted to close down Taranaki or not, she would have to work harder at victim hugging and her overseas profile to make up for it. As it is, she will pay the full price for her selection next year if Winston doesn’t pull the plug earlier.
  
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  December 14, 2019 12:05pm
Paginus

Looks like Maori want their place names back, so it won’t be long till they want their sovereignty back too.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/118108396/we-should-reinstate-every-mori-place-name?fbclid=IwAR23JRMvCFq0hE-uaxtx1hrQh8b-wcTvdVggCtyFRL7uXQ2dN-GhWQmwOnI
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December 14, 2019 10:14am
- shogun
  
  This needs to be read alongside the du Fresne column she quotes from, as her article pretty much reinforces the argument he’s trying to make.
  
  Her: English names are undemocratic, we must change them. I’m a “national correspondent” so do as o say.
  
  Him: “…let’s do it the proper way, through open, public debate and consensus rather than by stealth”
  
  https://i.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/opinion/118056549/new-zealand-should-remain-as-new-zealand-not-aotearoa
  
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  December 14, 2019 10:54am
- Jack5
  
  The writer, Parahi, has a Western first name – Carmen – and she writes in English. How considerate of her to deign to do that.
  
  Parahi is highlighting a push by Maori to rename the country’s features from the North Cape to Stewart Island. The Maori-dominated NZ Geographic Board leads the campaign.
  
  However, the big change being worked towards, changing “New Zealand” to “Aotearoa,” can occur only by Act of Parliament. There will be a battle and a half over that.
  
  Radio NZ’s bastardising of English into NZ Pidgin (a habit being followed by TVNZ and Stuff newspapers) cannot bring about the change to “Aotearoa” without legislation.
  
  The just solution for all: when speaking or writing in English, use English geographic names and terms; when writing or speaking in Maori, use Maori names and terms. Let Radio New Zealand, and TVNZ, and Stuff, broadcast or print parallel versions of their stories in Maori and English.
  
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  December 14, 2019 1:35pm
  - freethinker
    
    If this persists just add the word Shit at the end of anything with Te Reo in it, so much fun.
    
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    December 14, 2019 8:34pm
Yvette

Billions to be spent and most of it on ~~pork barrel~~ roads –

The government seemed intent on living up to its new “we’re doing it” slogan this week when Finance Minister Grant Robertson announced a $12 billion infrastructure spend over the next four years. [1]

At what point does the Electoral Commission consider such announcements need to be differentiated – as announcing Coalition Government policy, or claiming Labour Party election policy – especially when the spending is intended to be three years beyond the next Election and therefore for the term of the next Government which may not be Labour?

And so in terns of the period covered, does Green Election policies agree with the amount funding to be spent on roading?

When will the proposal to move the Port of Auckland fall into the same question of Coalition Government consideration, or formulation of Election Policy? –

Another report released on Thursday recommended moving the port to Northland but Transport Minister Phil Twyford effectively put it on hold.

“We just believe that such a mammoth infrastructure decision, such a huge cost of investment … that requires really credible analysis and evidence,” he said. [1]

Pity he didn’t feel that way about gas and oil exploration, bloody aerosol.

Mr Peters wants the green light to be switched on now, and clearly thinks his cabinet colleagues are dragging the chain – on the ports question.

NZ First wants this done and dusted well before the election, for the very good reason that it wants to again hold the Northland seat in Parliament. Mr Peters won it in a by-election in 2015 but lost it to National in the 2017 general election. [1] – so that definitely is Election material.

With new infrastructure details – including roading – due to be revealed in February, that will give about 7 months, 25 days before a possible Election (February 1 to September 26, for example)

[1] https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/405472/week-in-politics-billions-to-be-spent-and-most-of-it-on-roads
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December 14, 2019 10:14am
- Tall Man
  
  “We’re going to spend some money”
  
  On what?
  
  “I dunno”…….
  
  Awesome, I’ll be in.
  
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  December 14, 2019 10:33am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Where’s the money coming from?
  Grant now has a greater influence in Reserve Bank decisions. Are they to pay the rubber cheques?
  
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  December 14, 2019 11:58am
Maggie Pie

I’m just heading over to the BP in Glen Innes to get a couple of packs of ‘Krispy Kremes’ for the weekend.
Anyone else like some while i’m there?
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December 14, 2019 10:15am
- Inandout
  
  MP, lock your car, ’tis the season to be robbed.
  
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  December 14, 2019 10:31am
- Tall Man
  
  Thanks Maggie but I’ve decided to stick to only eating food in 2020.
  
  http://krispykreme.co.th/
  
  Knock yourself out though 😉
  
  https://i.ytimg.com/vi/3OBw9yjvl68/maxresdefault.jpg
  
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  December 14, 2019 10:32am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You’ll keep 😛
    
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    December 14, 2019 12:25pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Maybe.. but you’ll be at the back of a very very long queue 😉
      
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      December 14, 2019 1:15pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  The makers of Krispy Kremes have just announced that they will be spending millions to compensate their former slaves from the 1940s.
  Enjoy your Nazi doughnuts.
  
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  December 14, 2019 10:39am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Time to move on Mike. You can actually watch them being made at the Manukau Factory Shop and the ovens are all electric.
    
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    December 14, 2019 10:50am
  - The King
    
    In a modern oven takes 3 hours to bake 1 cookie 4 ovens in the 1940’s would take 37 years to bake 6 million cookies.
    
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    December 14, 2019 11:40am
    - marleybob
      
      Always fun making light of 6 million murdered, right king.
      
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      December 14, 2019 1:20pm
fisho

This is great actually. It further reduces the case for the light rail system the silly bint is pedalling.
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December 14, 2019 10:20am
Yvette

Moving Auckland port possible costs could involve –
1 development of the Northland harbour
2 depot area or rail / road head development Northland
3 and the same in Auckland
4 upgrading road and rail connection to Auckland
5 returning Auckland harbour to usable land
6 development of what harbour area is released in Auckland
7 consideration of a Waterfront Stadium, again
8 compensation of iwi interests in released land
9 interest on borrowing
10 ongoing transport costs between Northland and Auckland

Is another term of Shane and / or Winston worth it?
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December 14, 2019 10:35am
- KevO'Brien
  
  11. Substantial increases in product costs throughout NZ as inefficiencies percolate through.
  12. Ransom payments to Nga Pui.
  13. Foreign investment through blind trusts acquiring total control
  14. NZF becoming NZ Sales Agency.
  15. Discovery at later date that needed deep water shipping ports not possible.
  16. Return to natural harbour around Auckland.
  17. Extension of facilities to offshore shipping births.
  
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  December 14, 2019 11:55am
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    And no one has considered how the Greens would vote on such an issue, given the move would increase carbon emissions by up to 212,000 tonnes per year.
    
    Everyone should take a chill pill and understand this is a an exercise in buying political oxygen for New Zealand First.
    – Bernard Hickey https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/12/12/942055/why-this-port-move-debate-is-a-pointless-farce#
    
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    December 14, 2019 12:31pm
Batman

Good news everyone, the Guardian has officially given the thumbs down to The Grand Tour special, Seamen.

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2019/dec/13/the-grand-tour-review-jeremy-clarkson

Given this petty and spiteful review, I can only conclude that it will be a fantastic bit of television!

Happy days.
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December 14, 2019 10:48am
- pentwig
  
  Batman
  What a cheap shot.
  You only posted that link cause some idiots (steffie, milky) may give the guardian a dollar so they can support NZ in climate change.
  Shame on you! How dare you!
  
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  December 14, 2019 11:31am
Tall Man

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/12/gerry-brownlee-s-comments-on-refugees-branded-incredibly-dangerous-by-golriz-ghahraman.html

Who’d a thought you could try to shut down a debate with the plaintive cry of “racist”…..

The left really don’t like an opposing opinion do they?
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December 14, 2019 10:48am
- shogun
  
  I notice that Newshub have gone with a particularly unflattering screen grab of Ms Ghahraman.
  
  She’s looking very tired in that image.
  
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  December 14, 2019 11:00am
  - sooty
    
    Fat fingers again. She’s been working hard all year without a break, other than overseas trips, protesting the climate, plastic, oil and petroleoum, farmers, water, food. Christ has she ever been at work?
    
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    December 14, 2019 4:26pm
    - shogun
      
      Sooty, I know right! Which is why it’s a surprise that Newshub went with that screen grab!
      
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      December 14, 2019 8:38pm
tedbear

They better get cracking on replacing the Ports of Auckland infrastructure.
According to what the climate activists say about sea level rise, Queen Street could be a canal in ten years or so.
At least that’ll fix the car congestion.
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December 14, 2019 10:54am
Yvette

White Island recovery: from a Newshub “updates” yesterday –

2:24pm – GNS science says there is still a 50 to 60 percent chance of an eruption within the next 24 hours.

2:01pm – Defence Force senior officer colonel Rian McKinstry says an assessment on whether it was safe to go to the island on Friday morning was “that there was a six percent chance in any three-hour period that the volcano may erupt”.

Perhaps seemingly unimportant, but still essential to executing the recovery, or not –
it is just puzzling how a 1 in two chance (fifty – fifty, or a bit more) of an eruption, became a one in sixteen chance (1 : 16.6) on a three hourly basis, which one assumes would still be 1 – 16.6 for the next three hours after that, then after that?

Stuff is still pushing it this morning –
Inside the body recovery mission. They departed at a dawn, with a 6 per cent chance of being caught in another eruption.
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December 14, 2019 10:56am
- rightoverlabour
  
  GNS has been saying there is a chance of an eruption for how many days now? Yes its an active volcano. It erupts ocasionally. However, if one looks at its previous eruption cycle, I’d say its done its dash for a while…
  
  See here for a very good website on the island
  
  https://volcano.si.edu/volcano.cfm?vn=241040#April2016
  
  Interestingly the activity has become more frequent, coinciding with the current GSM.
  
  I still can’t work out how they come to their percentage stats though. (and howcome none of this was calculated at around the 23 November when there was a considerable increase in volcanic tremor).
  
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  December 14, 2019 12:24pm
  - sooty
    
    It had better blow it’s top or they will be looking like wee Jessies!
    
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    December 14, 2019 4:22pm
  - dog_eat_dog
    
    Because the type of eruption that first occurred gives them a better understanding of what is and isn’t happening than the gas data and seismographs do.
    
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    December 14, 2019 4:51pm
  - cmm
    
    Oh, FFS, why are people still freaking out about this?
    
    Less than 1 person a year has died in NZ from volcanoes in the last 150 years.
    
    Every year about 100 people die of drowning. Yet where is the nanny state telling people they can’t swim if they don’t have an emergency plan?
    
    Every winter people die from black ice on roads, exposure on tramping tracks, etc etc. Where’s the nanny state for that?
    
    What is so special about volcanic deaths that everything should be regulated?
    
    Are we expecting the government to now close roads when it gets to freezing? Not allow people on beaches if the waves are higher than 20 cm? Not go tramping, except in summer when the weather is perfect?
    
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    December 14, 2019 7:45pm
    - dcrane
      
      I’m with you on resisting the rush to ban this sort of risk taking. On the other hand, quite a few of these poor victims are going to be spending weeks in intensive care getting surgery every other day, to deal with their horrific burns. There might be a fiscal argument for the state to at least limit the maximum number who might get caught up in one of these episodes of bad luck.
      
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      December 14, 2019 9:53pm
WaveyDavey

Funniest thing to look forward to next week?

Corbyn trying to retain the slightest shed of credibility at PMQs.

Fun for all the family
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December 14, 2019 10:59am
- cmm
  
  Nope funnier will be the people trying to take him by the arm and lead him away from the podium.
  
  You don’t think Corbyn will go easily do you? It’s everyone else’s fault etc.
  
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  December 14, 2019 8:21pm
Hugh Pavletich

CHRISTCHURCH CITY COUNCIL: The urban wreckers … mastering insolence, ignorance and incompetence …

Christchurch Town Hall’s cleaning and electricity prove costly for Vbase … Dominic Harris … The Press

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/118108058/christchurch-town-halls-cleaning-and-electricity-prove-costly-for-vbase

Maintenance firm Citycare confident of profitability despite posting biggest ever loss … Dominic Harris … The Press

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/118161210/maintenance-firm-citycare-confident-of-profitability-despite-posting-biggest-ever-loss
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December 14, 2019 11:02am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Christchurch City councillors in line for 11 per cent pay rise … Tina Law … The Press
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/118050715/christchurch-city-councillors-in-line-for-11-per-cent-pay-rise
  
  Top council staff ‘manipulated’ reports to hide bad news from councillors and public … Tina Law & Dominic Harris … The Press
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/117429451/damning-report-alleges-christchurch-city-council-staff-kept-negative-information-secret-manipulated-reports
  
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  December 14, 2019 11:04am
- peterwn
  
  Re Christchurch Town Hall restoration cost over-run of $40M. The best option at the time was to have bowled the earthquake damaged building and start again with a similar look building using the same architectural firm but with
  design improvements based on previous operating experience. But the old building had ‘architectural merit’ blah blah and had to be restored.
  As for electricity and cleaning costs had someone ran out of backs of old envelopes to do cost estimates on.
  Similar with the Cathedral – if people want it restored, they need to cough up the money and willpower. That is what happened 900 years ago when the Chartres Cathedral near Paris burned down. There was enormous goodwill from the locals and itinerant tradespeople to rebuild it.
  The Catholics have the right idea in Christchurch. They have now decided to abandon their old cathedral and start over on a new better located site.
  
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  December 14, 2019 1:25pm
  - sooty
    
    How much did Jim Anderton leave in his will for the church restoration?
    
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    December 14, 2019 4:20pm
WaveyDavey

Or, if you prefer…

Michael Foot: “I give you the longest suicide note in history.”
Corbyn: “Hold my beer.”
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December 14, 2019 11:02am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Just for you TDS sufferers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGiw5v7OZl8&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2GkL3phqCTB2Ct8knu5De2V2eG-x1hxLi-h7k76wJk4rzXWCPS7iUVkTc
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December 14, 2019 11:32am
Paginus

White flight continues and of course, the media comes up with a ludicrously false narrative to explain it.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-hottest-housing-markets-of-2020-are-far-from-the-coasts-2019-12-12
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December 14, 2019 11:34am
Maggy Wassilieff

An item about how NZ’s aid money to Tokelau seems to disappear into the ether

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/405329/auditor-general-unable-to-find-how-tokelau-s-government-spent-10-million

This state of affairs has been going on for years….
so what does the CoL do?
…allocate MORE money to Tokelau

Last year, the Auditor-General asked the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade to step in and improve fiscal controls in Tokelau, prompting New Zealand’s Administrator to Tokelau, Ross Ardern, to allocate extra funding to its government.
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December 14, 2019 11:37am
- Tall Man
  
  Not that I’m keeping a tally, but another inoffensive comment replying to you Maggy has been deemed by a mod to be too offensive to ardern to be seen by others.
  
  We bemoan the fact that the media are “protecting” ardern and yet we have it right here.
  
  Shame really as if the slowness of the moderation wasn’t enough of a handbrake on what was possibly the most entertaining blog in NZ they have to be overly sensitive about the right to abuse a selected pm.
  
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  December 14, 2019 2:47pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    No worries,
    I’ll just read between the non-existent lines.
    
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    December 14, 2019 3:09pm
    - Tall Man
      
      The silent majority…. just not that good at being silent 😉
      
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      December 14, 2019 3:14pm
sooty

What did he ask his daughter for more loot?
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December 14, 2019 12:09pm
Maggie Pie

This is what happens when you let your 14yo white child wear a TRUMP hat to school.
He gets jumped by 8 black kids on the bus [graphic]

https://twitter.com/AmericanDiaries/status/1205178650301227010
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December 14, 2019 2:03pm
- Tall Man
  
  Brown boys have been smacking white boys at school for decades but it is disturbing seeing the girls joining the “smack em” club on this video and others that have circulated within NZ over recent years.
  
  All children should be schooled in self defense strategies and given the confidence to stand up against the bullies together.
  
  Today we also have the “verbal” bullies who frequent the dark place of their keyboard.
  
  Teach your children how to combat these thugs and their world will be a better place.
  
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  December 14, 2019 5:28pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I can tell you now, my partner never took any shit from them.
    He’d always go and pimp on them to his form master.
    
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    December 14, 2019 6:15pm
    - Tall Man
      
      I ended up training a few in my first dojo many many years ago. After a few hundred pressups on the knuckles they weren’t as tough as they thought.
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBr17GgG6m8
      
      Mind you, the ACC aren’t too keen on the arthritis though..
      
      https://www.healthline.com/health/arthritis-fingers-pictures
      
      I seem to remember foreheads as being thicker back then…
      
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      December 14, 2019 7:17pm
- chaos
  
  Wow, all girls too by the look of it.
  
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  December 14, 2019 5:58pm
  - Tall Man
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11790563
    
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    December 14, 2019 7:19pm
- chaos
  
  Ok apparently according to the school nothing to do with politics, hmmm. And according to the police five black people assaulting a white boy does not make it a hate crime but I bet if it was 5 white kids beating a black kid it would
  
  *Five juveniles have been charged with first-degree misdemeanour battery in the incident, the Hamilton County Sheriff’s Office announced Friday, while citing “some misinformation” that was shared along with the video.
  
  The attack also did not meet criteria for a hate crime, sheriff’s officials said.*
  
  https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10550225/boy-maga-hat-beaten-bullies-school-bus/
  
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  December 14, 2019 6:29pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    WOW – thanks for posting that chaos. Even though theres been arrests you can bet nothing will be done.
    Fortunately, we don’t get that type of behaviour on the Kings Prep buses.
    Wonder why, eh?
    
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    December 14, 2019 7:00pm
    - Tall Man
      
      They wait until they get to school……….
      
      Buses are for plebs don’tcha know?
      
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      December 14, 2019 7:12pm
    - chaos
      
      * Hamilton County Sheriff’s Office *
      
      Maybe it is just the norm in places called Hamilton around the world
      
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      December 14, 2019 7:23pm
- Tall Man
  
  Another National initiative.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMeLEKvjVF0
  
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  December 14, 2019 7:21pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    But the stupid thing is, Kate’s ‘friend’ actually has a fatter arse than she does LOL!!
    
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    December 14, 2019 8:22pm
    - Tall Man
      
      We can always rely on you Maggie for the detailed analysis.
      
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      December 14, 2019 8:42pm
curry4me

Good poll results for nationalist populists in Italy, the Netherlands, Finland, and Sweden.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clZR0Mh6X0s
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December 14, 2019 2:48pm
- Tall Man
  
  The thing is these Nationalist parties aren’t even moderately extreme. I just think that the “left” have let their intellectual capacities leave the building.
  
  In their desire to be woke they have gone to extreme lengths which just makes them look utterly ridiculous. Look at the triumvirate of ardern little and robertson. Have there ever been leaders of a political party in power so utterly disconnected with the reality of the electorate.
  
  Take the hugz and feelz crap away and virtually every utterance is just ideological drivel with little substance.
  
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  December 14, 2019 3:13pm
  - Prince
    
    I heard Little being interviewed on his new ‘Addicted criminal will get rehab, not jail’ laws that he is readying.
    Someone asked how the addiction would be verified, so it didn’t become a get-out-of-jail free card for crims.
    He really had no answer. Mumbled something about a new panel then backtracked on that.
    
    They really are lazy. They think nothing through, have no real-life experience, and are totally impractical.
    But I’m sure this proposal will reduce the prison population so that’s OK, until the media fills with repeat offendors.
    I think these rehab centres should be sited next to the house of every Coalition MP. Let them take the risk.
    
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    December 14, 2019 4:19pm
    - Tall Man
      
      I’ve always practiced the system of share the pain.
      
      I’d do a better job if the mods would butt out.
      
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      December 14, 2019 5:29pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    That how communism fails its all direction but no actual push and show–vectors without force.
    
    Government is not solely about decision making,if it was politicians would have to post performance bonds. Ideas and instructions are easy dealing with the outcomes is the problem.
    We need a mechanism to make politicians accountable for lousy decisions, lack of attention or care or wrecking the economy. At present they can do as the feel with no personal consequences.
    
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    December 14, 2019 5:55pm
    - info@cruzpro.com
      
      Push for binding referendums! Only vote for a politician if they promise to make referendums binding on them.
      
      Let’s start a referendum to make referendums binding and see which politicians agree and which disagree.
      
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      December 15, 2019 7:57am
curry4me

China is developing emotion recognition spy tech.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90S_MXzYG-E
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December 14, 2019 2:49pm
- Tall Man
  
  If it was deployed in the UK today it would be in “wah wah wah” overload 😉
  
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  December 14, 2019 6:04pm
  - curry4me
    
    You’re not wrong. I’m in danfer of a schadenfreude OD.
    
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    December 14, 2019 10:12pm
Tall Man

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/405488/kiwirail-investment-through-land-transport-fund-government-proposal-historic-chief-exec

More choo choo money from labour.
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December 14, 2019 2:54pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Rail was sold off before because no one used it. Toll cleverly purchased the trucking business associated.
  Once all traffic over 320 had to go by Rail. That was hated.
  The Commies return.
  
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  December 14, 2019 5:48pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Toll also negotiated access to the sites they wanted for peanuts.
    
    cullen could make a “deal” to save himself.
    
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    December 14, 2019 7:08pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Couldn’t?
      
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      December 14, 2019 8:19pm
      - Tall Man
        
        And I can’t even blame the booze………
        
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        December 14, 2019 8:41pm
Tall Man

Changing the subject… I have been engaged in a mild battle with the local council about the pool regs.

Currently all pools are being inspected to ensure they comply with the “fencing regs” to keep people out.

However, new applications are being considered with fencing and “falling out” considerations being applied… in particular infinity type edges that are a meter or more above the ground in case someone sits on the edge and falls out. So….. you need a fence on the edge to stop said person falling out.

The world has gone absolutely nuts with personal responsibility no longer a consideration.

We allowed people to enter the throat of an active volcano but can’t let them sit on the edge of a meter high swimming pool FFS!
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December 14, 2019 3:19pm
- Ian Boag
  
  I really think it’s time to take the warning labels off everything and let stupidity work itself out of the gene pool
  
  I liked that one 🙂
  
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  December 14, 2019 3:56pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Perhaps they can stick them in the same place as the apple labels!
    
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    December 14, 2019 5:35pm
- chaos
  
  A couple of years ago we pulled our fishpond out because the inspector checking our spa pool demanded a fence around the fishpond. Ah no children live here. But some kid apparently could climb the locked back gate and wonder into the fishpond and drown. He didn’t like me saying they shouldn’t be trespassing then.
  
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  December 14, 2019 5:08pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Identical conversation at our last property. Fully fenced with self closing gates but…. a burglar could fall in!
    
    Good job says I……. get another fence says them…..
    
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    December 14, 2019 5:33pm
  - cmm
    
    chaos you should really think this through…
    
    A pilot might have got into trouble and needed to jump out of his plane with a parachute. What if he had fallen in the fishpond and drowned? Ok, maybe it wasn’t deep enough for him to drown, but some of that fishpond water could have gone in his ear and he might have got an ear infection.
    
    Sounds to me like it was a disaster waiting to happen. Good thing it is filled.
    
    You really must think about the safety of others.
    
    Which reminds me to go put some rubber balls at the top of my bean stakes…
    
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    December 14, 2019 7:55pm
    - chaos
      
      hmmm, good point, I’ll paint a red X on the neighbours glasshouse so any pilot knows where to land.
      
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      December 14, 2019 8:31pm
- Grey Skills
  
  Had a similar issue this year. We have a 2m high 200mm solid concrete block boundary wall on two sides of the pool enclosure.
  The letter box pokes through on the inside for 95mm and 400mm down on the drive wall and an outdoor power socket sticks out 95mm and 750mm down on the neighbouring wall.
  Compliance required a tapered board to the top of the wall in both cases to stop a child climbing over the 2m wall, standing on the two above risks, jumping down the rest of the way, walking over to the pool and falling in.
  We happily complied…
  
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  December 14, 2019 5:12pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Funniest thing was last February when we got a letter from the council advising us that our pool was due for yet another inspection, and gave us a time and date.
  [It’s been compliant since the day it was installed – just another way to rob the poor ratepayer]
  Anyway, just prior to the guy arriving, my partner spread a buket of car-wash liquid over the tiles. Talk about slippery 😀
  We both went upstairs to hide and watch out of our bedroom window, only to see him unlatch the gate, walk onto the tiles, slip over, and crack his head a beauty on the side of the spa. What a HOOT!
  
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  December 14, 2019 5:49pm
  - KH
    
    Maggie. I hate council bureaucracy fiercely. But that is a stpid stunt that makes the world a worse place.
    
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    December 15, 2019 9:15am
Sydney Alvarado

Imagine piloting a plane for 13 hours and on landing having to deal with that.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/118198673/first-air-canada-flight-between-vancouver-and-nz-touches-down-in-auckland

“The pilot was given a pōwhiri and wero (challenge).”
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December 14, 2019 3:35pm
- Tall Man
  
  Imagine responding by smacking him on the chin.
  
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  December 14, 2019 5:31pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Did the pilots complain, or are you doing so on their behalf?
  
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  December 14, 2019 5:40pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Nice of you to show concern mikey……..
    
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    December 14, 2019 6:52pm
  - cmm
    
    Poor bugger had no choice – other than to resign.
    
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    December 14, 2019 7:56pm
    - sooty
      
      Make you want to hide in the shitter!
      
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      December 14, 2019 8:41pm
- V
  
  It’s getting the the point of absurdity now. But hey that’s what all those “airport taxes and charges” that you have no choice in the matter of paying go toward.
  If these things were broken out by line item, I wonder how many people would actually pay for it.
  
  They sure ain’t doing those on-demand/dial-a powhiri for free.
  
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  December 14, 2019 7:53pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/118144369/pahiatua-mother-concerned-as-cop-who-slapped-her-daughter-is-returned-to-town

Good grief.
I am 71 years old and spent all of my teenage years in Whangarei and Kamo.
In those days if you misbehaved you got a slap/talking-to from parents or other responsible adults and you bloody-well took notice.
Your neighbours had a say in how you behaved. Also teachers.
Sounds as if this girl was a real prick of a kid.
Good on him.
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December 14, 2019 5:31pm
- Tall Man
  
  As a local, how do you feel about “uncle shane” buying the local scene?
  
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  December 14, 2019 6:52pm
- The King
  
  Yeah well you ruined those days for everyone else..
  
  Thanks boomer.
  
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  December 14, 2019 8:12pm
JibberJabber

Ohhh, that`s a dead giveaway from the Entitled Soros Commie puppet,
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7789463/Greta-Thunberg-arrives-Turin-Italy-star-turn-huge-climate-change-demonstration.html

Greta Thunberg tells cheering crowd ‘we will make sure we put world leaders against the wall’ if they do not tackle global warming as she attends climate protest in Turin

These Greenie fuckwits should be careful what they wish for.
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December 14, 2019 5:36pm
- chaos
  
  Hmmmm, let’s protest climate change and wear plastic raincoats……
  
  If you don’t listen to us we will put you against the wall like the nazis we are. Lots of hot air from a little girl that has no ideas, guess that is why she is backed financially by the people that plan to make a financial killing with this scam. Pity for them their time is almost up
  
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  December 14, 2019 6:42pm
  - The King
    
    “Financial Killing”
    
    You’re half right, remove the financial bit and you are 100% correct.
    
    There’s only 1 way these climate extremists believe the planet will be saved and that’s by a mass culling.
    
    And i’m not talking cows. They’ve already chosen who they want to mass kill.
    
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    December 14, 2019 7:19pm
- The King
  
  “world leaders against the wall”
  
  bahahahaha mmk kiddo
  
  Who’s going to pull the trigger in the firing squad her?
  
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  December 14, 2019 7:00pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It’s hard not to see this as a call for violence against our politicians,
  or is there some other meaning to “putting against the wall”?
  
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  December 14, 2019 7:04pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Silly Maggy… it’s not bad when the looney left do it and she definitely has the “looney bit” well covered.
    
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    December 14, 2019 7:06pm
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      Yeah, lefties – a.k.a. national socialists – have a lot of form in this area. As our Jewish cousins have taught us – when someone says they want you dead, it’s best to take them seriously.
      
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      December 14, 2019 8:42pm
      - The King
        
        “As our Jewish cousins have taught us – when someone says they want you dead, it’s best to take them seriously.”
        
        Like this?..
        
        “Even the best of the Goyim should be killed” -Abodah Zara 26b: Jewish Talmud.
        
        Or this… Jewish Torah: Deuteronomy 7:16
        
        “You must destroy all the peoples the Lord your God gives over to you. Do not look on them with pity and do not serve their gods, for that will be a snare to you.
        
        Shall i take these jews seriously?
        
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        December 14, 2019 10:49pm
      - Stephieboy2
        
        aka national socialists???
        
        Joseph Goebbels, who would eventually become Reich Minister of Propaganda once the Nazi Party seized control of Germany, wrote in his diary about Hitler’s rejection of socialism at that 1926 meeting, “I feel as if someone had knocked me on the head … my heart aches so much. … A horrible night! Surely one of the greatest disappointments of my life.”
        
        https://www.vox.com/2019/3/27/18283879/nazism-socialism-hitler-gop-brooks-gohmert
        
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        December 14, 2019 11:11pm
      - Stephieboy2
        
        The King, Ivanka’s husband Jared Kushner also in your thoughts?
        
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        December 14, 2019 11:13pm
Tall Man

Hate speech?

I haven’t progressed to wanting to shoot anybody but I’m ready to learn…………
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December 14, 2019 6:50pm
- cmm
  
  The first one is the hardest…
  
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  December 14, 2019 8:19pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Experience or hope 😉
    
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    December 14, 2019 8:39pm
V

Anybody else sick of NZ media producing extensive Volcano disaster porn yet?

The trawling through facebook accounts etc. of victims disgusts me, what ever happened to leaving people to grieve in peace.
You only have to answer the question of “would I want my loved ones splashed all over low-grade news websites simply to make content” to know that this industry no longer has a shred of ethics.

The sooner this industry goes extinct the better.
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December 14, 2019 7:48pm
- chaos
  
  Media and the prime minister need to butt out now. She needs to interact with them without telling the media and involving the media
  
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  December 14, 2019 8:26pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  The vacuous virtue-signaller just announced a minute’s silence on Monday at 2:11 pm for the volcano event.
  
  What a stupid, ignorant (self-censored).
  
  Every day and night people lose loved ones in many ways and to their families and friends every death is a personal tragedy. Why does that (self-censored) (self-censored) (self-censored) —–y (self-censored) t*****p think that her special groups that she specially cares about should be special?
  
  May (self-censored) time (self-censored) she (self-censored) maroon (self-censored) magnitude (self-censored).
  
  OK, rant over.
  
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  December 14, 2019 8:40pm
  - Tall Man
    
    At least you managed to get a comment through… Me not so lucky.erer
    
    [ You persistently push the boundaries on DPF’s proscription of caling pollies liars. You complain (on and on) about the moderation that DPF introduced. Noone else comes close to your level of grump.
    
    There are other blogs where you would be free to say whatever takes your fancy. You might think about moving there …
    
    Anyway – keep it up and you can have a one-month holiday from KB ]
    
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    December 14, 2019 9:06pm
    - Tall Man
      
      I was told that I can state the truth which I have always done and if I used the liar reference appropriately it would pass.
      
      As you say there are other blogs and maybe the moderation applied here would be more applicable to them.
      
      Not one of my comments has been abusive or false, unlike the bulk of the statements of the bulk of our politicians.
      
      It’s all fine and dandy to label older white males negatively but woe betide anyone who dares to call adern a liar.
      
      Reread my comment and then reread Englebert’s and let us know why mine was deleted and his/her’s not.
      
      Consistency is not too much to ask for is it?
      
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      December 14, 2019 9:43pm
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        Hey I don’t mind if mine is deleted – it’s not my blog after all. Guest here.
        
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        December 15, 2019 5:06am
      - Tall Man
        
        I wasn’t suggesting yours should be deleted just that my comment which was deleted was significantly less inflammatory to yours.
        
        All Good here 😉
        
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        December 15, 2019 9:44am
mikenmildagain

5 for 57 in the morning session FFS…
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December 14, 2019 7:53pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  I thought de Grandhomme was very unlucky. Poor use of the DRS, given there really was no conclusive evidence that the ball had hit the glove, yer Dar’s incorrect decision was affirmed.
  
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  December 14, 2019 8:13pm
  - septic skeptic
    
    Nothing on hotspot, nothing on snicko. Clear evidence of it hitting the helmet. Easy decision for anyone with a clue about what this technology can and can’t do. But unfortunately they 8nsist on using cricket umpires rather than people who understand this stuff. Usually ex-players who appear to have been hit in the head with a few too many bouncers for them to have much understanding of anything!
    
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    December 14, 2019 10:25pm
Paul Marsden

It is a tragedy that the ‘powers that be’, prevented the extrication of all of the victims of the White Island tragedy, on the day of the disaster. Now, NZ is spending huge resources in finding and bringing home, the two lost souls who sadly and ironically, are two NZ White Island tour guides.
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December 14, 2019 8:11pm
- chaos
  
  Yes how dare they not put more lives at risk to recover dead bodies and waiting until the right equipment had been brought into the country for the hours and hours that the rescuers needed to recover the bodies without damaging their own health.
  
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  December 14, 2019 8:37pm
  - Paul Marsden
    
    I comment with some experience in extracting the deceased from challenging environments. I also take the experience and judgment of the pilots on the ground at the time, over and above all others.
    
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    December 14, 2019 9:18pm
    - chaos
      
      Ah yes the pilot who claimed to know where all the bodies were, obviously he didn’t because they are still looking for two. Couldn’t really give a toss what experience you claim you have is, you weren’t there and what you think you know means jack shit compared to those who were in charge and have carried out the recovery of the bodies.
      
      Fact westpac helicopter landed on the White Island and carried out a search on the day finding no one was still alive to be rescued.
      
      Fact the rescue crews carried out tests to see how what the air quality was like constantly to see if they could go on the island
      
      Fact the equipment they had failed tests and they had to get more equipment IN
      
      Fact, there is always some dick who isn’t there that thinks they could do better
      
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      December 14, 2019 9:27pm
    - bruceavon
      
      Paul. I don’t know what your experience is but I suggest the SAS aided by advice from numerous experts and the Local helicopter pilots may have surpassed yours?
      Also the story that only Australians were taken off the island was officially denied by Ardern yesterday. I might be wrong, but reading between the lines I thought both the guides were taken off.
      
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      December 14, 2019 10:51pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Even I, and it pains me to say it, accept that ardern doesn’t lie every time she opens her mouth 😉
        
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        December 16, 2019 4:47pm
- Stephieboy2
  
  Disaster Response from the armchair and hindsight!
  
  Well I never!
  
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  December 14, 2019 11:16pm
Tall Man

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/sport/rugby-union/lgbt-vilification-australian-anti-discrimination-board-accepts-complaint-against-folau/ar-AAK6Uut

The left just can’t let it go.

Who really gives a fuck what Folau thinks.
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December 14, 2019 9:05pm
Tall Man

Perhaps David needs to look at his moderators and maybe lose the ardernista…….
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December 14, 2019 9:08pm
- chaos
  
  Yeah, there is at least one moderator here who needs to be sacked. This place is dying because of the moderation and because of the attitude of one moderator, but I don’t think David cares.
  
  A thought for you tall man. If a person is warned or banned for a post that a moderator has approved, should the moderator not also be banned and warned for approving it in the first place, lol
  
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  December 14, 2019 9:43pm
  - Tall Man
    
    There seem to be a few differences in the way my comments are moderated.
    
    When I noted a week ago that some of my comments were in moderation for over 4 hours yet others had been passed I was told by a mod that I was paranoid.
    
    I definitely think that there is one that takes the role a little seriously and I still struggle with the concept that ardern is deeply concerned when I call her a liar.
    
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    December 16, 2019 4:45pm
- The King
  
  They are mods of an age of censorship, thanks to facebook etc turned everyone into snitches and they really can’t not be offended by words, its like they seek to be offended by something (probably just got offended reading this post already) wrapped in the nice cotton wool in their safe space bubbles.
  
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  December 14, 2019 10:58pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/118152806/ngti-awa-paid-9-million-for-white-island-tours-now-its-worth-close-to-zero

I would say that it won’t be long before they ask for some sort of tax-payer funded help.
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December 15, 2019 7:20am
Tall Man

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/12/16/946867/no-specific-solution-for-light-rail

Can I say it?

Yet another ardern lie. She lied during the election campaign and continues to do so to this day.
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