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krazykiwi

The collective noun for a group of bankers is a ‘Wunch’
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December 13, 2019 9:26am
- Colville
  
  A *anker is that person who will lend you an umbrella only to ask for it back as soon as rain is forecast.
  
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  December 13, 2019 10:19am
krazykiwi

Nominations about to close for the Climate Hypocrite of the Year.

It’s a highly competitive field this year. Who will take out the category prizes?
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December 13, 2019 9:28am
- curry4me
  
  Almost a dead heat between St Greta, and Al Gore.
  
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  December 13, 2019 9:43am
  - Tall Man
    
    Careful, I got a spanking yesterday for commenting negatively on greta.
    
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    December 13, 2019 9:48am
    - SGA
      
      Some people pay good money to get that!
      
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      December 13, 2019 10:27am
      - Tall Man
        
        My name is Joey and I’m not sharing…
        
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        December 13, 2019 12:14pm
    - freethinker
      
      Greta would benefit more than you, and she could eat her dinner off the mantlepiece.
      
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      December 13, 2019 1:34pm
  - septic skeptic
    
    James Shaw must be an honourable mention at least.
    
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    December 13, 2019 9:56am
    - Colville
      
      James is a total amateur compared to St Greta.
      
      James gets a few $100K/yr. You need to move the decimal point a couple of places over for Greta (and her parents)
      
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      December 13, 2019 10:23am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    James Shaw is right up there too.
    
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    December 13, 2019 9:57am
- KevO'Brien
  
  How about those who would turn the world suicidal:
  https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/12/11/promoters-of-climate-anxiety/
  
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  December 13, 2019 10:18am
Fletch

In case you thought the Inspector General report somehow exonerated the FBI (as the media has been claiming), under questioning by Ted Cruz, the IG Horowitz confirms –

* The FBI spied on Trump.

* A lawyer in the @FBI altered an email and created fraudulent evidence that senior officials used in a sworn statement to the court to ultimately obtain a FISA warrant.

* The Justice Dept & the FBI did not disclose to the court that this entire operation was funded by the @DNC. It was funded by the @HillaryClinton campaign and by Democrats–it was an opposition research dump.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ny0GtrO2E4

Interview with Barr where he lays out what is happening. This isn’t the end. Durhams report still to come.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRKFo0JmuBc&feature=emb_title
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December 13, 2019 9:29am
- Batman
  
  They investigated persons legally. They didn’t “spy on Trump”.
  
  Yep, the FBI lawyer will be disciplined.
  
  That’s a lie. It was not. It was originally funded by conservatives who were looking to stop Trump, and was then passed to Dems. Ivanka Trump nearly hired Steele to do self-research on the Trump family business, before the campaign really got going.
  
  You’ve missed the part where Carter Page was on the campaign and yet had also been targeted by Russian operatives. Plus old mate coffee boy George Popadopolous informing the Australian HC that the Russians had offered up dirt.
  
  And Barr can hardly be taken seriously. He’s gone full red pill and is reduced to saying “in my view” without a shred of substantive evidence.
  
  Durham’s report will end up like the investigation into voter fraud that Trump commissioned… Lacking any evidence.
  
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  December 13, 2019 9:36am
  - mikenmildagain
    
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    Trumpkins will soon move on from the Horowitz report, as it doesn’t back up their conspiracy theories. They now fervently await whatever Barr and Durham can cook up.
    
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    December 13, 2019 9:50am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Try listening to the Horowitz questioning in the Senate. It should disabuse you of any fanciful notions about what he found.
      
      Durham will complete the criminal part.
      
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      December 13, 2019 10:15am
  - Simon
    
    Steele was a Trump hating kook hired by the DNC & Clinton campaign to dig up dirt. His dossier was unverified garbage used to get FISA warrants to spy on Trump campaign and then Admin. No disclosure to court about Clinton funded garbage. Then subsequent FBI lies
    
    As FBI lied to Court this crime is still being investigated. Not over yet.
    
    If Carter Page was a Russian spy then the Trump campaign should have been informed. Instead they used Page as pretext to spy
    
    Comey was even spying when he was briefing Trump.
    
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    December 13, 2019 9:52am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      The weirdest thing I saw this week was a report that Christopher Steele is a friend of Ivanka Trump.
      
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      December 13, 2019 10:22am
      - Batman
        
        And she nearly hired him to do self-research on her Dad’s business.
        
        We live in wild times!
        
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        December 13, 2019 10:23am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    “You’ve missed the part where Carter Page was on the campaign and yet had also been targeted by Russian operatives”.
    
    And Batman, you missed the part where the FBI didn’t bother to include in any of their FISA applications the Page had worked with US Intelligence dealing with Russians for years since the beginning of the Obama Presidency. That’s exculpatory evidence and its lack of disclosure is an absolute disgrace.
    
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    December 13, 2019 9:56am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Fussing about the FISA application is a bit of a moot point. No one is arguing that Page was not in cahoots with the Russkies, although sufficient evidence did not emerge to charge him.
      
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      December 13, 2019 10:19am
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        Are you serious Mike? Do you know ANYTHING about this at all?
        
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        December 13, 2019 10:30am
      - Batman
        
        Depends whether you count known facts or conspiratorial nonsense I suppose
        
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        December 13, 2019 11:08am
      - Ian Hawthorn
        
        That is bullshit. Quite clearly Page was NOT in cahoots with the Russians. He talked to Russians while acting as a CIA informant.
        
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        December 13, 2019 1:53pm
    - Batman
      
      Vino – the loose nature of FISA warrants has been an issue that civil libertarians have been banging on about for years, and justifiably so.
      
      Weirdly, US conservatives didn’t give a shit about it until now, when it suits their narrative in defending Don T.
      
      Personally I’d be all for tightening up the FISA process, as we did under the previous National govt.
      
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      December 13, 2019 10:35am
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        Batman, the loose nature of the FISA warrants doesn’t detract from the fact that the FBI knew that without the Steele Dossier their application was toast. It also doesn’t abrogate them from withholding exculpatory evidence from the FISA Judge when applying for a warrant to surveille Page because he had contact with Russians, when they KNEW he had been working for the CIA doing exactly that.
        Any explanation the somehow the GOP are to blame, or hypocrites is a red herring to what actually happened.
        This whole thing is an absolute disgrace. The FBI personnel involved should be put in jail.
        
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        December 13, 2019 12:55pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    In other news, the fraudulent Trump Foundation has paid a $2 million fine and it’s remaining funds to eight genuine charities. Although barred from further ‘charity; work, Trump remains free to pursue other forms of grifting.
    
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    December 13, 2019 9:57am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Oh dear, the TDS is strong with this one.
    
    They spied, remember Nixon was impeached and resigned because he tried and failed to get the CIA to impede an FBI investigation. Here we have the FBI and CIA working together to topple a President, and somehow you think that’s OK ?
    
    Horowitz confirmed that the Steele Dossier was critical in obtaining the FISA warrant on Page.
    
    Steele was hired by Fusion GPS AFTER (!) the GOP donors stopped funding research, and only after the DNC and Clinton campaign started funding. So the dossier is completely a Democrat funded invention. It has nothing to do with the GOP. Stop lying, you’ve repeated this lie numerous times and it is STILL false.
    
    Carter Page was a cooperating CIA source, he talked to Russian intelligence people and relayed the data back to the CIA. The FBI knew this yet used his contacts as justification for the FISA. Stop and think just how crooked that is.
    
    Papadopoulos is a serial fabricated and bullshitter. He relayed common knowledge – it was discussed on US television in the previous days that HRC had deleted 30K + emails and that the Russians *might* have these. He repeated that gossip to an Australian intelligence operative (and possibly repeated it to Alexander Downer 4 days later). It wasn’t secret though given his nature PD no doubt embellished matters. It was unrelated to the DNC hacks that some attribute to the Russians, a fact that many continue to be confused about.
    
    Durham May strike out, his operation is pretty leak free so we just don’t know. But I’d bet that not just the FBI lawyer who obstructed and perverted justice is in trouble, but a number of high profile people while in fact be indicted. That will include Brennan, McCabe, possibly Clapper, Yates, Comey, and others. Brennan for example lied under oath to Congress (stating that the Steele Dossier was not used in the FISA, Horowitz shows that it was not just used but a key critical element) that is what Roger Stone was convicted for, Justice should surely be blind to political affiliation. There’s plenty of evidence alright, especially around how the FISA court was misled.
    
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    December 13, 2019 10:08am
    - Batman
      
      Another fantastic post, you should take up novel writing mate.
      
      No comments on the pro-Trump FBI texts either? Weird.
      
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      December 13, 2019 10:15am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Not admitting to your lies about the Steele Dossier ? Still convinced that Steele came onboard before the DNC funding started ? Or prepared to admit you’re wrong yet ?
        
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        December 13, 2019 10:18am
      - Batman
        
        Ed – you seem mighty upset about the prospect of me getting my timeline wrong, as opposed to the unsubstantiated, and Russian intelligence driven, lies that you and others spout on a daily basis.
        
        So I suppose my answer is, nyet.
        
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        December 13, 2019 11:19am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Well, you have repeated the lie that Republicans were complicit in preparing the Steele Dossier a number of times, and yet you can’t seem to acknowledge that it is a falsehood. It isn’t “getting the timeline wrong”, it is false attribution and deflection of culpability.
        
        And “Russian Intelligence directed lies”, you still stuck on that, that kool-aid must be so tasty.
        
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        December 13, 2019 12:10pm
    - Simon
      
      Russian truthers shifting goal posts. Batman & MM etc having trouble with real world as it unfolds. According to Russian truthers Trump was finished with impeachment. (this time for real!!)
      
      This the real world:
      
      The crackpot opposition to Trump i.e impeachment coup attempt & FBI illegal spying, MSM, Russian Truther & Dem derangement are boosting his presidency.
      
      Trump is taking apart the opposition and its feeding their derangement. Russian truthers are like watching Mugabe as he got older he just got more crazier. Its very Sad.
      
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      December 13, 2019 10:50am
      - Batman
        
        I never said Trump was finished. Heck, the Senate will likely acquit him.
        
        The real crackpots are the ones going on about an impeachment coup, as if such a function doesn’t exist within the Constitution, as designed by the founders for a President who seeks a personal gain from the powers of the presidency.
        
        Good luck with your false prophet, I’ll toast the memory of your credibility when I have a beer after work tonight ??
        
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        December 13, 2019 11:22am
  - freethinker
    
    Impeachment proceeding in the Senate with subpoenas of all relevant parties will show just who did what/lied/corrupted/perjured and Gitmo will have some new residents.
    
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    December 13, 2019 1:37pm
- Scott
  
  Thanks fletch for a great summary. Ignore Batman.
  The FBI spied on the presidential campaign of Donald Trump and got a warrant to do so from the FISA court, which is a spy court. The warrant was based on the Steele dossier which was a lot of rubbish, secondhand sourced from bar room talk.
  
  The special Council knew that there was no collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia very early on but still investigated for two years.
  
  The Durham report will not hold back. But for justice to be done people need to be held accountable and criminal charges need to be laid. Otherwise the Democrats will take this as their playbook whenever a Republican is elected to the presidency of the United States.
  
  And the media were complicit in keeping this hoax alive. One can only hope that they will pay a price as viewers and readers turn away from what has been shown to be manifestly fake news.
  
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  December 13, 2019 9:58am
  - Fletch
    
    And now Mark Levin is saying that the next Democrat president must be impeached – it doesn’t matter what for – to bring everything back to normalcy.
    
    That’s the only way to stop this.
    
    If the Republicans control the House, they must impeach the next Democrat President to ensure this sort of thing is never repeated.
    
    The next Democrat President must be impeached? What are the grounds? It doesn’t matter.
    
    With Trump, they were talking impeachment when he was a candidate. They were talking impeachment the day he got elected. I told you, this is all sham. It’s a scam. It’s a ruse.
    
    The only way to stop them is to turn the political and impeachment guns on them.
    
    The next Democrat president must be impeached.
    
    The Republican Congress can take a page from Nadler, from Waters, from Engel, from Schiff and all the rest.
    
    It is the only way to fix the Constitutional order when it comes to impeachment because the Democrats are creating this precedent.
    
    Now let them eat it.
    
    https://www.independentsentinel.com/mark-levin-the-next-democrat-president-must-be-impeached/
    
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    December 13, 2019 10:15am
    - All_on_Red
      
      ‘The White House Office of Management and Budget (OMB) asserts in a new legal memo that aid to Ukraine was withheld to review if the country complied with U.S. policy, not as a political move to block Congress’s spending decision, according to a copy of the memo shared with The Hill
      The memo was written by OMB general counsel Mark Paoletta in response to a request from the U.S. Government Accountability Office over why the aid had been delayed. ‘
      OMB extended a temporary hold eight times in August and September, the Post reported. The memo reportedly says the last hold was on Sept. 10 and the money was released almost immediately after.
      https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/474214-white-house-budget-office-asserts-rationale-for-holding-up-ukraine
      
      The OMB guy was blocked by Schiff from testifying at the original inquiry
      
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      December 13, 2019 11:07am
      - Batman
        
        Who’s the acting head of the OMB again?
        
        Whatshisname, something Mulvaney???
        
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        December 13, 2019 11:25am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Weak and moronic comment Batty
        But hey, stay ignorant.
        
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        December 13, 2019 11:33am
    - Stephieboy2
      
      Impeach the next Democrat President?
      
      Based on what charges ?
      
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      December 13, 2019 11:07am
      - Scott
        
        Stephieboy – you don’t need evidence and actual crimes. Just start investigating the new democratic president and have an intrusive congressional investigation and demand that he’d turn over all relevant documents and if he doesn’t charge him with obstruction of justice. That’s the new playbook!
        
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        December 13, 2019 11:25am
      - Scott
        
        Someone else may have linked to this. But if you watch representative Matt Gaetz in this clip he lays out why Pres Trump was quite right to want Burisma and Hunter Biden investigated.
        
        You see if there was corruption then Pres Trump was quite right to want to see it investigated? And just because Joe Biden is a presidential rival does not mean that he is above investigation? Particularly when his son was on the board of a Ukrainian energy company receiving $83,000 per month for a no show job when he never even had to visit the Ukraine!
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqZIABY5wU0
        
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        December 13, 2019 11:28am
      - alloytoo
        
        Are you really this oblivious?
        
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        December 13, 2019 11:35am
      - Stephieboy2
        
        The “new playbook” has cogent evidence and facts for it to play!
        
        Give us some examples in terms of a sampling of Democrat candidates!
        
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        December 13, 2019 12:21pm
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        As we have seen, you don’t need any substantive evidence at all to impeach. Just a political will, and sufficient numbers to vote on the articles.
        
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        December 13, 2019 12:33pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Actually in a way you’re correct. There’s no way that a President should be impeached on ludicrous “trumped up” charges, and should not be subject to a lengthy and intrusive investigation on that basis.
        
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        December 13, 2019 12:50pm
      - freethinker
        
        2032 is along time to wait for a DemocRAT president.
        
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        December 13, 2019 1:40pm
      - rightoverlabour
        
        Goat Shagging. I doesn’t matter if it’s not true, they’ll make shit up just like they are doing now. I am quite sure they could find a goat that would testify. It woud be more truthful than the fiasco going on at the moment.
        
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        December 13, 2019 2:02pm
  - alloytoo
    
    People need to be held accountable otherwise both Republicans and democrats will employ these tactics and make a mockery of democracy
    
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    December 13, 2019 11:33am
Than

Judith Collin’s comment on Jacinda Ardern is absolutely spot on;

“She’s done well with empathy. She hasn’t done anything on performance other than empathy.”

When it comes to supporting victims of tragedy, Ardern has demonstrated she excels at this aspect of leadership. Her response to the Christchurch shooting in particular will probably be remembered as the defining highlight of her Prime Ministership.

However when it comes to the day-to-day business of governing, of delivering better outcomes for New Zealanders, she’s absolutely useless. In basically every metric of well-being (those that are still measured, since the “most open and transparent government ever” seems allergic to accountability) New Zealand has been going backwards. Major policy promises like KiwiBuild and a CGT have been broken.

About the only thing she has actually achieved is to facilitate Winston Peters and Shane Jones corruptly feathering their own nests.
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December 13, 2019 9:32am
- srylands
  
  Surely there must be some wellbeing outcomes that have improved? There are dozens of them. Indeed they were updated yesterday. I can’t find any progress reports and don’t have time to look right now. But it is inconceivable that things have declined across circa 50 indicators.
  
  https://treasury.govt.nz/publications/tp/living-standards-framework-dashboard-update
  
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  December 13, 2019 10:00am
  - Than
    
    OK, granted, I may have exaggerated slightly. But on a lot of the major indicators things have declined. Child poverty, home ownership rates, and cost of living have all gotten worse under the Ardern government.
    
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    December 13, 2019 10:45am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Of course there are well being outcomes srylands, some people FEEL better. That’s an outcome for Jacinda.
    
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    December 13, 2019 4:17pm
- cmm
  
  I think Collins is wrong.
  
  She has performed well with perceived empathy, not with real empathy.
  
  No photo-op, no empathy. It is a performance for the international audience.
  
  #CinD4UN!
  
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  December 13, 2019 10:07am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    What are the characteristics of the performance that enable you to tell the difference?
    
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    December 13, 2019 10:23am
    - cmm
      
      Empathy, like charity, begins at home. When your own baby doesn’t need you then there’s a shortage of real empathy, kindness, caring, interest in wellbeing etc.
      
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      December 13, 2019 11:35am
  - Tricati
    
    Hasn’t shown much empathy to the women working in her office that were allegedly assaulted by the creep she had working there – Where’s the report!!!
    
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    December 13, 2019 1:35pm
  - Overworked
    
    And indeed, it is my understanding that she takes her own photographers with her to be absolutely sure the photos don’t accidentaly obscure her face.
    
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    December 13, 2019 2:21pm
- Stephieboy2
  
  Done well with empathy ? Well I suppose that is beeter than being a cold fish on ice!
  
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  December 13, 2019 11:03am
  - Evadne
    
    I’d rather a cold fish that gets things done than someone who says nice things but does nothing useful.
    
    Empathy is nothing without action.
    
    Or, as the old proverb has it, ” fine words butter no parsnips”.
    
    John Taylor’s Epigrammes, 1651:
    
    Words are but wind that do from men proceed;
    None but Chamelions on bare Air can feed;
    Great men large hopeful promises may utter;
    But words did never Fish or Parsnips butter..
    
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    December 13, 2019 12:06pm
- JeffW
  
  Sorry, the empathy comes across as somewhat fake to me. Perhaps not as fake as John Campbell dripping with “sincerity” on TV One the other day, but my reaction is to turn off whenever she comes on, whatever the topic.
  
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  December 13, 2019 12:43pm
  - freethinker
    
    Why do I always hear background music – Lies Lies tell me sweet little lies whenever Cindy appears on TV?
    
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    December 13, 2019 1:44pm
- Nickc2
  
  Ya gotta like Judith. Whats the bet that the Labour Party resort to dual leadership before the next election? Cindy for empathy roles and Grant for serious stuff.
  
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  December 13, 2019 2:10pm
srylands

It just occurred to me that we have ztev to look forward to in March just as electioneering activity ramps up. TBH I don’t think I can stomach it again. If he returns I will reluctantly abandon Kiwiblog until he is banned again. Fortunately the next ban is permanent.
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December 13, 2019 9:35am
- david
  
  Srylands. Re Ztev
  I’m certain that he would consider that a victory.
  
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  December 13, 2019 9:46am
  - srylands
    
    Oh well he can celebrate victory. He made it clear to me that he knew my identity and the company of which I was a director. ie he had taken the time out of his day to do that. So he also knows my contact details. I find him (I assume he is a male) disturbing and he should never have been tolerated. I made my views clear to DPF but his blog his rules.
    
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    December 13, 2019 10:03am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Why don’t you change your pseudonym on KB then?
      
      It is clear that some folks use KB as a platform to try and destroy the reputation and business interests of some individuals who post here.
      
      KB is NOT a safe site.
      
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      December 13, 2019 10:43am
      - Sydney Alvarado
        
        Thanks for that 🙂
        
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        December 13, 2019 11:01am
    - sooty
      
      Sorry mate fat fingers!
      
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      December 13, 2019 12:01pm
  - cmm
    
    Why didn’t he just pull a stephie and make ztev2?
    
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    December 13, 2019 10:08am
    - srylands
      
      Because there would be no mistaking him.
      
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      December 13, 2019 10:57am
      - cmm
        
        Is there any mistaking stephie?
        
        LOL!
        
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        December 13, 2019 11:36am
Maggie Pie

The SHEER FINANCIAL BRILLIANCE of Robbo 😀

Labor will borrow enough money to get us completely out of debt.
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December 13, 2019 9:36am
- Colville
  
  standing in a bucket pulling hard on the handle…
  
  the man is a genius.
  
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  December 13, 2019 10:25am
  - freethinker
    
    Colville – Please clarify, was it the bucket handle or something a little closer?
    
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    December 13, 2019 1:47pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Well done, Batman.
Gotham City is saved.
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December 13, 2019 9:37am
Tall Man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtoMN_xi-AM
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December 13, 2019 9:37am
- Batman
  
  To the rescue and all that ?
  
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  December 13, 2019 9:41am
Maggy Wassilieff

With this push for Maori to run their own justice system, what system would come into play if:

*a maori commits a crime against a pakeha/ asian/ Pacific Islander,
* a pakeha/ asian/ pacific Islander commits a crime against a Maori,
* a pakeha and a maori commit a crime together?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018726766/government-urged-to-cede-power-to-maori-justice-advocates
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December 13, 2019 9:39am
- kevn
  
  @Maggy… * if a part-maori commits a crime against another part-maori, would there be a dna test needed as who is most maori, so as to decide who gets the most preferential treatment?
  Pretty straightforward?
  
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  December 13, 2019 9:44am
  - cmm
    
    Correct me if I am wrong, but aren’t all, or just about all, Maori actually part-Maori and most are minority Maori.
    
    Most of the “proudly Maori” I know are actually quarter or less.
    
    Its feelz, not dna.
    
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    December 13, 2019 10:12am
    - kevn
      
      @cmm…. and, by gum, you can’t tell by looking either.
      
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      December 13, 2019 11:47am
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      What about the honky that idenified as maori?
      
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      December 13, 2019 12:04pm
- Tall Man
  
  Stop being so bloody logical…… It how you “feelz” that’s important 😉
  
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  December 13, 2019 9:45am
  - Ed Snack
    
    More likely it will depend on who your mates are, and how many are senior government figures.
    
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    December 13, 2019 10:10am
    - Tall Man
      
      And whose cell phone numbers……
      
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      December 13, 2019 12:15pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  I love how they always ignore Utu when talking about Maori justice. Killing entire innocent villages because your chief felt they were wronged sounds much worse than our current system.
  
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  December 13, 2019 9:55am
- KevO'Brien
  
  What’s a Maori?
  The tribes never got together and many people now have no affiliation. We are seeing new city tribes developing.
  
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  December 13, 2019 10:24am
- Jules99
  
  It would probably result in Maori criminals including murderers and rapists being returned to their community which is where the crime happened in the first place. Blood on the streets most likely.
  
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  December 13, 2019 10:36am
- Nickc2
  
  Another bureaucracy to be established which will require a bottomless bucket full of money for a zero output. No worries though, Donna Awatere and Materia Turei will be appointed as checkbook signers. What could possibly go wrong?
  
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  December 13, 2019 2:24pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

My GD anxiety attack has sunsided now
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December 13, 2019 9:39am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  *subsided!
  
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  December 13, 2019 9:42am
- Tall Man
  
  Looking outside I think “sunsided” was correct.
  
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  December 13, 2019 9:45am
srylands

I assume these brave folk on White Island are in full protective gear. Good luck and thanks for your service.
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December 13, 2019 9:39am
- Tall Man
  
  The article advised that they were and that’s why it was taking longer than hoped.
  
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  December 13, 2019 9:46am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Maori spirits:-
  https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2019/12/12/while-scientists-measure-whakaari-tremors-spiritual-leaders-tell-of-the-warning-their-ancestors-are-sending/
  
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  December 13, 2019 2:22pm
curry4me

And now for something completely different. Events in Sweden, and Finland.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmHOoDkcj2Q
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December 13, 2019 9:47am
Maggie Pie

“Why is a seventeen year old member of the Youth Wing of the White Power Movement from Palmerston North being sent to Parliament?”

[Shane Jones in the House on Wednesday during the General Debate, while referring to National’s 17-year-old candidate William Wood]
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December 13, 2019 9:47am
- Tall Man
  
  The funny thing Maggie is that he acknowledges that the kid is on his way to Parliament so obviously the idiot immigration minister is not expected to win……
  
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  December 13, 2019 10:07am
- KevO'Brien
  
  And SJ represents what? Help-yourself power?
  Winston’s lackey?
  Wannabe Nga Puhi Paramount Chief?
  Gt Panjandarum of the Far North?
  
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  December 13, 2019 10:31am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Shane Jones is a four-time loser of electorate contests. He lost twice in Northland, once in Tamaki Makaurau, and came third behind National and Labour in Whangarei in 2017.
    
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    December 13, 2019 12:07pm
  - curry4me
    
    At the time, I thought John Key gave SJ the job in the Pacific Islands to tide him over so he could eventually become leader of Winston First. The object being to give ZNational a partner. However, it was much craftier than that. Between them, WP, and SJ are destroying it. Sheer genius.
    
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    December 13, 2019 10:24pm
- tf78
  
  From what I’ve heard from William he could out do Shane with his orations.
  
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  December 13, 2019 10:31am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I met William last Sunday. He is definitely one of the most impressive 17-year-olds I have ever met. He is confident, articulate and engaging, and he’s ready to give Lees-Galloway a run for his money. I can see why he was selected on the first ballot by the PN delegates, and all power to them for daring to be different.
    
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    December 13, 2019 12:10pm
- Lizziep
  
  Isn’t that an absolute disgrace. Calling someone that is so nasty. Time he got out of parliament and tried his bully boy tactics and got some company with a strong HR department to employ him????
  
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  December 13, 2019 10:53am
  - sooty
    
    But where cold he go, what could he do?
    He can never leave the trough!
    I hope he spends his retirement, turning over all the dirt, looking for the pot of money!
    
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    December 13, 2019 12:13pm
  - Paulus
    
    Isn’t Jones still in hospital ?
    
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    December 13, 2019 1:32pm
    - Sacha
      
      He apparently stayed only long enough for a checkup – was seen getting into a ministerial limousine a couple of hours later.
      Panic attack?
      
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      December 13, 2019 4:43pm
- MrLovebucket
  
  Baffoon Jones using terms like “white power” is another clue he is lining up a run at a Maori seat.
  
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  December 13, 2019 12:14pm
- Nickc2
  
  Trouble is Maggie, people will flag it away because it is said by Shane Jones. Its just something you would expect the self proclaimed Prince of the North to come up with. Is he promoting racial disharmony? Of course he is, but the MSM will ignor it.
  
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  December 13, 2019 2:30pm
curry4me

President Trump, and the USA win as USMCA deal is announced. ALFCIO endorses it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koDlmQVe2_4
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December 13, 2019 9:48am
Tall Man

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/audio/kimberly-crewther-feta-latest-kiwi-product-being-hurt-by-eu-trade-deals/

I wonder who first used the word milk……..

NZ could be buggered I think.

What about cheese…….. The sooner the EU self immolates the better imho.
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December 13, 2019 9:50am
mikenmildagain

Important anniversary today – 80 years since the Battle of the River Plate. British cruisers Exeter, Ajax and Achilles (later HMNZS Achilles) engaged the German pocket battleship Graf Spee off Montevideo.
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December 13, 2019 9:52am
- Ed Snack
  
  Unfortunately for the Exeter, after suffering serious damage against the Graf Spee, she was repaired and put back into service, and then sunk by the Japanese in the battle of the Java Sea.
  
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  December 13, 2019 10:13am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Achilles was sold to India after the war, but when scrapped in the 1970s, one turret and the director tower were given to the RNZN and are at the navla base in Devonport.
    
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    December 13, 2019 10:51am
    - G152
      
      The New Dehli or some such.
      Came out here a few years after and excrew members didn’t recognise her
      
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      December 13, 2019 11:11am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        From Wikipedia:
        
        In 1969, Delhi visited New Zealand under Vice Admiral Barbosa. The visit was the occasion of many reunions of Achilles veterans who were plied with large quantities of rum and beer, and taken on a quick trip by the ship.
        
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        December 13, 2019 11:24am
    - Evadne
      
      Thanks Mike. Interesting fact. I enjoy your daily trivia.
      
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      December 13, 2019 12:09pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        More trivia. INS Delhi played herself in the 1956 film Battle of the River Plate.
        
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        December 13, 2019 1:57pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Ajax also survived the war but was damaged a number of times. Broken up in 1948.
        
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        December 13, 2019 5:08pm
- DigNap15
  
  Wow I did not realize that.
  I juts bought a book on the Battle
  I loved the movie when it came out.
  No CGI
  
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  December 13, 2019 11:34am
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    INS Delhi featured in the movie, as her old self, when it was filmed in 1956, no need for CGI when the actual ship’s that fought in the battle were in the movie!
    
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    December 13, 2019 1:52pm
    - Ruahine
      
      Great Movie. Great Story. Very well told.
      
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      December 13, 2019 8:15pm
Maggie Pie

ROAD RAGE 😀

“Turn that f~~king bus around! NOW!!”

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ELe5yW5VAAEkALH?format=jpg&name=medium
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December 13, 2019 9:55am
- cut n paster
  
  They may as well of, used the entire back of the bus?
  https://ibb.co/DM8q1BM
  
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  December 13, 2019 11:04am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Fcuk Nose why they didn’t 😛
    
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    December 13, 2019 11:36am
    - sooty
      
      Just think out of date in just one month!
      Don’t you love it!
      
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      December 13, 2019 12:16pm
chaos

* Recovery should take a few hours

Conditions on the island are good, Police Deputy Commissioner Mike Clement told media in a brief standup.

The wind direction is good, the volcano is behaving.

Clement said the planning to recover the body is currently playing out as expected.

“As I said last night there are many things that could go wrong.”

He expected the operation to take a few hours.

“Everybody has a rich appreciation of the bravery at work here.” *

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* Recovery operation is behind schedule, but going to plan

The recovery team have arrived at the area where most of the bodies are, but are being hampered by heavy protective gear, Police Deputy Commissioner Mike Clement said.

The operation is taking more time than expected due to the protective equipment the recovery team is wearing which Clement said is restrictive and heavy but necessary.

Conditions for the operation are good in regard to the weather, sea state and the environment on the island.*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/118058738/live-white-island-erupts
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December 13, 2019 9:55am
- david
  
  What I find just a little strange is that the recovery crew do not appear to be familiar with the protective gear to the extent that they could not or did not factor into the time estimates the degree to which it would hamper movement and slow down activity.
  It has been speculated that it was one of the SAS troops that formed the recovery party. If true, then Deputy Commissioner whoever it is today, was being a bit disingenuous when he described the specialist skill set of the recovery party. While SAS would undoubtedly possess tenacity and calm in the face of mortal danger and are obviously physically fitter than almost any group you could name, there was an expressed need for forensic examination of the surrounds of each body and experience in hazmat protective clothing. I’m in no way questioning the wisdom of the choice of personnel, rather the gaps in information provided indicating that the Police are as adept at manipulating information as anyone.
  
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  December 13, 2019 2:29pm
  - Sacha
    
    The specialist skills of the recovery party referred, I think, to their skills in their professional lives, not in their ability to use those skills within the confines of bulky protective clothing.
    Skills which the members of the SAS may not have.
    
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    December 13, 2019 4:49pm
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Greta Thunberg named Time Person of the Year for 2019,

Greta Thunberg, the Swedish schoolgirl who inspired a global movement to fight climate change, has been named Time magazine’s Person of the Year for 2019.

The 16-year-old is the youngest person to be chosen by the magazine in a tradition that started in 1927,

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50740324

Well done!

And the reasons why she is stalked , harassed the subject of vile online and other kinds of abuse ,

“The hounding of Greta Thunberg is proof that the right has run out of ideas”

“With scientists backing her cause, opponents of the young environmental activist have resorted to ugly personal attacks…

…Which left the eco-denialists back here with a stonking great headache: how to bash this 16-year-old celeb? Not by dismantling her arguments, not when the scientists and Sir David of Blue Planet back her up. Nor by sniffing around her record, since by definition a teenager hasn’t much of a past to rake over. The standard methods of political warfare off-limits to them, they are trying something new and unusual. They are sinking their teeth into her…”

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/01/greta-thunberg-right-environmental-activist-attacks
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December 13, 2019 9:56am
- Maggie Pie
  
  To be honest, we had no idea TIME magazine was still in print… lol!!!
  
  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ELheOrNXsAAlbcx?format=jpg&name=small
  
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  December 13, 2019 10:08am
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    Trevor Noah has seized on the irony that now that Greta has been named Time Magazine Person of the Year, her picture will be on printed on the cover thanks to a large number of trees being cut down, and the magazine will be read on countless aircraft flying throughout the world!
    
    Ha ha!
    
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    December 13, 2019 1:54pm
- Nostradamus
  
  No surprise that Stephieboy (given his previous Kiwiblog comments about seeing young girls with “small but ample breasts” at St Lukes) is following Greta’s life closely!
  
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  December 13, 2019 10:08am
- cmm
  
  Hitler was also chosen as person of the year (1938) as was Stalin (1939 and 1943) and Ayatollah Khomeini (1979).
  
  Your point?
  
  Is it maybe that she want billions of people dead?
  
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  December 13, 2019 10:18am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Thank you for that analysis. Among other villains, you omitted Pierre Laval, Nikita Khrushchev, Lyndon Johnson, William Westmoreland, Richard Nixon (twice), Henry Kissinger, Deng Xiaoping, and Vladimir Putin.
    But do you seriously want to class Thunberg with those ‘winners’?
    
    The full list is:
    Charles Lindbergh
    Walter Chrysler
    Owen D. Young
    Mahatma Gandhi
    Pierre Laval
    Franklin D. Roosevelt
    Hugh S. Johnson
    Franklin D. Roosevelt (again)
    Haile Selassie
    Wallis Simpson
    Chiang Kai-shek
    Soong Mei-ling
    Adolf Hitler
    Joseph Stalin
    Winston Churchill
    Franklin D. Roosevelt (again)
    Joseph Stalin (again)
    George Marshall
    Dwight D. Eisenhower
    Harry S. Truman
    James F. Byrnes
    George Marshall (again)
    Harry S. Truman (again)
    Winston Churchill (again)
    The American fighting-man
    Mohammad Mossadegh
    Elizabeth II
    Konrad Adenauer
    John Foster Dulles
    Harlow Curtice
    The Hungarian freedom fighter
    Nikita Khrushchev
    Charles de Gaulle
    Dwight D. Eisenhower (again)
    U.S. Scientists
    John F. Kennedy
    Pope John XXIII
    Martin Luther King Jr.
    Lyndon B. Johnson
    William Westmoreland
    The Inheritor
    Lyndon B. Johnson (again)
    The Apollo 8 astronauts
    The Middle Americans
    Willy Brandt
    Richard Nixon
    Richard Nixon (again)
    Henry Kissinger
    John Sirica
    King Faisal
    American women
    Jimmy Carter
    Anwar Sadat
    Deng Xiaoping
    Ruhollah Khomeini
    Ronald Reagan
    Lech Wałęsa
    The Computer
    Ronald Reagan (again)
    Yuri Andropov
    Peter Ueberroth
    Deng Xiaoping (again)
    Corazon Aquino
    Mikhail Gorbachev
    The Endangered Earth
    Mikhail Gorbachev (again)
    George H. W. Bush
    Ted Turner
    Bill Clinton
    The Peacemakers
    Pope John Paul II
    Newt Gingrich
    David Ho
    Andrew Grove
    Bill Clinton (again)
    Ken Starr
    Jeff Bezos
    George W. Bush
    Rudy Giuliani
    The Whistleblowers
    The American soldier (again)
    George W. Bush (again)
    The Good Samaritans
    You
    Vladimir Putin
    Barack Obama
    Ben Bernanke
    Mark Zuckerberg
    The Protester
    Barack Obama (again)
    Pope Francis
    Ebola fighters
    Angela Merkel
    Donald Trump
    The Silence Breakers
    The Guardians
    Greta Thunberg
    
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    December 13, 2019 10:46am
    - cut n paster
      
      I can see a link with Adolf Hitler here…
      https://ibb.co/NWwtgNT
      
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      December 13, 2019 11:17am
    - cmm
      
      Wow MMA can cut and paste!
      
      All I’m really saying is that a Time person of the year is no endorsement or democratic process.
      
      They just choose the person that made the most news.
      
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      December 13, 2019 11:57am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        No, you didn’t. You chose to link her with mass murderers as a deliberate smear.
        
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        December 13, 2019 1:54pm
      - cmm
        
        It is not a smear.
        
        The policies she recommends will kill people. That is a fact. No smear.
        
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        December 13, 2019 3:48pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Any ‘policy’ can kill people. A simple example – refusing to spend more on health inevitably means people will die without medical treatment.
        Lumping a teenage climate activist in with mass murderers is fundamentally dishonest.
        
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        December 13, 2019 3:53pm
      - Stephieboy2
        
        cmm, garbage in garbage out! Is that how you work?
        
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        December 13, 2019 5:48pm
  - Stephieboy2
    
    cmm, and Trump 2016. The award is given to those people who have had a major impact internationally for better or for worse ( the later in Trump’s case )
    
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    December 13, 2019 10:53am
    - freethinker
      
      S2-Millions of Americans disagree with you and they are more informed than you.
      
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      December 13, 2019 3:02pm
- Rodney Randall
  
  Other Time Magazine notables: Adolf Hitler (1938), Joseph Stalin (1939 and 1942), Nikita Khrushchev (1957) and Ayatollah Khomeini (1979) .
  
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  December 13, 2019 10:20am
  - MCos
    
    Makes you wonder why President Trump has his nose so out of joint.
    BTW
    Back in 1938 Adolf Hitler had plenty of admirers in America where anti-semitism was rife.
    
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    December 13, 2019 10:49am
  - Stephieboy2
    
    As mentioned Trump too 2016!It’s not exactly a noble peace prize.
    
    and,
    
    2012,
    
    http://poy.time.com/2012/12/19/person-of-the-year-barack-obama/
    
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    December 13, 2019 10:54am
- Fletch
  
  It’s a complete joke. Actually, the public (Reader’s Choice) voted for the Hong Kong protesters, who should have been on the cover not this poor girl being used as a mouth piece by the climate lobby. But Time does not have a very good record of choosing people for the cover. They chose Hitler as their Man of the Year cover in 1938, and Stalin (twice! in 1939 and 1942). Also the Ayatullah Khomeini in 1979 (really?). So, yeh, their judgment is a bit lacking. Oh, and if you hate Trump? Time chose him for their cover in 2016.
  
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  December 13, 2019 10:21am
  - Batman
    
    Clearly you don’t understand the criteria.
    
    It is the most influential or important person of the year. Not the best or having the most positive impact on the world.
    
    Hence why such notable but really bad people have also been on it.
    
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    December 13, 2019 10:24am
    - tf78
      
      So it should have been TRUMP after all.
      
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      December 13, 2019 10:33am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Fletch:
      
      Time does not have a very good record of choosing people for the cover
      
      Also Fletch:
      
      Trump? Time chose him for their cover in 2016
      
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      December 13, 2019 10:48am
      - IC5000
        
        To use a Trumpism that guy is literally as dumb as a rock
        
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        December 13, 2019 10:30pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  I say this as someone who is convinced of the reality of climate change and the need to take scientifically and economically rational measures to address it.
  
  Greta Thunberg has set back that cause. Certainly, people who agreed with her, agree with her. But has she converted anybody who wasn’t previously on board? On the contrary, it’s difficult to imagine anything less likely to convince people not convinced by the advice of scientific authorities, than the shrill ranting of an annoying teenager.
  
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  December 13, 2019 10:22am
  - cmm
    
    Quite.
    
    She has certainly helped to move any discussion away from a scientific foundation towards emotional nonsense.
    
    She has basically done a “basket of deplorables”.
    Can anyone really take a person seriously when they can “see” CO2?
    
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    December 13, 2019 12:08pm
  - Pharmachick
    
    #Metoo … I finally realized that climate change is happening, at a rate that is quite concerning, and we really ought to do something about it…
    
    It’s not a crisis (for crises see: Samoa/measles; China/Uighur; Syria/duh … and many others).
    
    And calling it a crisis is stressing out young people (i.e. kids) that don’t have the experience, knowledge or learning to sift the data, opinions, ranting, scientific reports etc together, and come up with a *good* interpretation. Also, their parents are useless and not helping their kids to cope. So these young people are genuinely distressed by the alarmists out there who are mostly just trying to excite political debate and/or get monetary donations (nor necessarily mutually exclusive).
    
    Then there’s Greta … I think she has pure intentions, but really; as she said herself:
    “…I should be in school..”
    YES YOU SHOULD YOUNG LADY.
    Now hie yourself back there to school and learn a bit more. Please.
    
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    December 13, 2019 5:07pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  I would be more impressed if David Bellamy had endorsed her.
  She will need a face transplant if she keeps on scowling.
  
  Who do we send the bill to if the AGW proponents have got it wrong as the world in Galileo’s time?
  Proposing a crisis means also taking the consequences for error.
  
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  December 13, 2019 10:35am
  - Pharmachick
    
    Rest in peace David Bellamy. The world has lost a great Totara… and hopefully “old man’s beard” [which must go].
    
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    December 13, 2019 5:08pm
- JibberJabber
  
  Hang in there Greta, it`s tough out there on the mean streets of the White Privileged.
  https://www.reddit.com/r/memes/comments/danbl9/it_be_tough_out_there_on_the_mean_streets_of_the/
  
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  December 13, 2019 10:53am
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Of course Trump has to chime in with an unhinged Twitter Spaz that Greta disarms and throws it back where it belongs,

“Greta Thunberg Fires Donald Trump’s ‘Anger Management’ Insult Right Back At Him”

The 16-year-old environmental activist had a sassy response to Trump’s “Chill Greta” attack….”

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-greta-thunberg-reaction_n_5df23acee4b0b75fb538e8f7
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December 13, 2019 9:59am
- Maggie Pie
  
  😀 😀 😀
  
  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ELhb5etXkAA18zc?format=jpg&name=360×360
  
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  December 13, 2019 10:14am
  - Stephieboy2
    
    Maggie Pie,
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2019/dec/12/steve-bell-on-trumps-outrage-at-greta-thunberg-and-time-magazine-cartoon
    
    LOL
    
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    December 13, 2019 11:00am
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      It’s trolling, not outrage. As with all of Trump’s putative ‘petulant’ behaviour on Twitter and elsewhere. It’s aimed at disturbing the bed wetters. And it does, evidently.
      
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      December 13, 2019 12:45pm
      - SGA
        
        Outrage or not, it’s of much more use to Thunberg than it is to Trump. The very fact that the POTUS takes the time to make such petulant (sorry, to me that’s a fairly accurate description) comments on Twitter does her more good than harm.
        
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        December 13, 2019 2:06pm
- cmm
  
  If you think they let Greta anywhere near her own twitter feed you’re wrong. It’s all scripted by others.
  
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  December 13, 2019 10:19am
  - septic skeptic
    
    I sometimes wish we could say the same about Donald!
    
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    December 13, 2019 10:41am
  - Stephieboy2
    
    cmm, is that a factoid?
    
    By Deep State?
    
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    December 13, 2019 10:55am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    This is about neo-Marxism, not the environment. Read “Greta’s own” words.
    
    “After all, the climate crisis is not just about the environment. It is a crisis of human rights, of justice, and of political will. Colonial, racist, and patriarchal systems of oppression have created and fueled it. We need to dismantle them all.”
    
    This is about neo-Marxism, not the environment. Read “Greta’s own” words.
    
    https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/climate-strikes-un-conference-madrid-by-greta-thunberg-et-al-2019-11
    
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    December 13, 2019 12:51pm
    - Stephieboy2
      
      The Proper Council roll on the the second October Revolution
      
      LOL!
      
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      December 13, 2019 2:05pm
  - chaos
    
    She can’t even answer questions in a press conference that aren’t scripted as visible on youtube
    
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    December 13, 2019 12:58pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  Yes, because who comes off best in a spat between a spiteful, ignorant dotard and an arrogant, ignorant brat is much the best way to address the great issue of our time
  
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  December 13, 2019 10:30am
  - Tall Man
    
    Excellent comment.
    
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    December 13, 2019 12:11pm
  - Stephieboy2
    
    “..an arrogant, ignorant brat”
    
    ???
    
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    December 13, 2019 12:32pm
    - Albert_Ross
      
      That’s how she comes across, yes. That’s why she’s doing so much harm.
      
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      December 13, 2019 1:44pm
      - Stephieboy2
        
        Albert Ross, doing so much harm to whom? Like miffing a shalloow egotist like Trump?
        
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        December 13, 2019 2:06pm
      - SGA
        
        Is she? I’m interested why you think she is. She’s not going to change the views of the diehard “pro” and “con” camps – their concrete is set fairly hard.
        
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        December 13, 2019 2:10pm
      - SGA
        
        opps… got cut off … I wonder more about her effect on the middle ground, especially the younger set.
        
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        December 13, 2019 2:17pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Have you heard heard in full fright?
  
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  December 13, 2019 10:36am
plc

Spot on in the Telegraph:

“Their claims to the moral high ground are automatic and unthinking. Reading the social media output of youthful Corbynistas is to get a sense of sanctimonious certitude – voting Labour is self-evidently the ‘right’ thing to do. The laziness of woke politics doesn’t require young socialists to do anything much to signal their compassionate credentials beyond sending out a few tweets.

But don’t be fooled. From their proud ignorance around the IRA, the 70s and Venezuela – where people eat their pets due to socialism – to their poisonous political messaging; the Twitter abuse they spread has been some of the most toxic public discourse for decade, there is nothing woke or righteous about these Corbynista activists.

For all their claims to a monopoly on virtue, they have shown an abject morality, devoid of evidence and historical sense. Their Utopian platitudes mask one of the most bitter parties our politics has ever seen.”

It’s ok when the Left do it – They are protecting us from greater evil!
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December 13, 2019 10:14am
Hugh Pavletich

…UNITED STATES … DALLAS TEXAS …

It’s time to make Dallas a premier engine of upward mobility … (Comment) Cullum Clark … Dallas Business Journal

https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news/2019/12/12/upward-mobility.html

… concluding …

… Third, DFW leaders must address the region’s growing housing affordability challenge. Maintaining affordability is essential for upward mobility. Attainable housing near thriving areas creates access to job opportunities. Also, families spending a high share of their income on housing generally can’t build savings.

While DFW still has an affordability edge against coastal cities, the region’s advantage is shrinking as home prices and rents rise. According to Demographia research, median home prices are now 3.9 times median income, well above the 3.0 level considered sustainable for families. But the metro-area level masks the extent of the challenge for Dallas County, where the price-to-income ratio is 5.2. Smaller cities like Plano, Frisco, and Allen hold down the average with ratios around 3.

In the city of Dallas, the home ownership rate has fallen over the past decade to just over 40 percent. A third of owner-occupier families and more than half of renters are housing cost-burdened based on federal standards, roughly the average level for large cities.

The answer: increase housing supply, as the City of Dallas’s 2018 housing policy recognizes. Supply has failed to keep up with DFW’s booming population, especially over the last three years.

Dallas should revamp its zoning code and become a more welcoming city for affordable housing developers. For starters, the city can experiment with community land trusts and other innovative mechanisms for expanding the supply of cheap land for affordable housing, particularly in land-rich Southern Dallas. Dallas can also loosen outdated parking requirements for new multifamily developments to hold down construction costs. Fast-growing smaller cities in the region, meanwhile, should thoughtfully permit greater density in walkable central areas.
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… Excessive housing costs are a recent problem for Dallas …

All Editions – Demographia International Housing Affordability Sutvey

http://www.demographia.com/db-dhi-index.htm

… via …

Performance Urban Planning

http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/
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December 13, 2019 10:19am
- sooty
  
  Still get nobody to your website.
  
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  December 13, 2019 12:24pm
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Californians Flock To Texas As Corporations Seek Cheaper Pastures … Zerohedge
    
    https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/californians-flock-texas-corporations-seek-cheaper-pastures
    
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    December 13, 2019 4:11pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I’m a welfare volunteer with Tairawhiti (East Coast) Civil Defence, so I’m paying attention to all the RNZ items dealing with Civil Defence…

but this item that’s been keyworded as Civil Defence/Science is pretty far removed from anything to do with CD (or science).

https://www.rnz.co.nz/programmes/the-detail/story/2018726637/the-beauty-and-the-menace-of-whakaari
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December 13, 2019 10:19am
- cmm
  
  To the activist/journalists this looks like something that can be passed off as science.
  
  “Ngaropo says in the future they need to work with GNS to be able to pre-empt and predict “with our knowledge, and with science knowledge”, to pre-warn and protect the community, tourists and anyone who accesses the island.”
  
  No doubt GNS will now have to employ a bunch of people with “our knowledge” and treat it with the same status as “science knowledge”.
  
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  December 13, 2019 10:28am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Didn’t Canute demonstrate the lack of wisdom of attempting to guess or control natural forces.
    Stupidty v. Science
    
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    December 13, 2019 10:38am
  - Jules99
    
    Well I read about the GNS risk upgrade in the papers.
    
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    December 13, 2019 10:39am
  - Stephieboy2
    
    cmm, whatever!
    
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    December 13, 2019 10:56am
- Pharmachick
  
  “I’m a welfare volunteer with Tairawhiti (East Coast) Civil Defence”
  
  Thank you Maggy for all that you do, this is a massively important contribution to the local community [and beyond].
  
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  December 13, 2019 5:12pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Just started…
    
    so have only been to a couple of briefing meetings
    
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    December 13, 2019 6:09pm
JibberJabber

Myth confirmed …
https://twitter.com/VictoriaPeckham/status/1205031764319711232/photo/1
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December 13, 2019 10:49am
Maggie Pie

Last night my partner and me both agreed we should probably update our ‘safeword’. Until yesterday, those taking the submissive role simply had to say, “stephieboy”, in order for the action to stop immediately.
To ensue there is never any chance of a misunderstanding, our new safeword will now be, “Stephieboy2”.
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December 13, 2019 10:52am
- SGA
  
  I’m not sure it’s wise to use a word likely to elicit an aggressive response in you or your partner as a safeword. You clearly like to live dangerously.
  
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  December 13, 2019 11:09am
- chaos
  
  Be careful, if you say it enough it appears and you can’t get rid of it from your house
  
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  December 13, 2019 12:54pm
geoff3012

Looks like Corbyn going to get his arse handed to him…..
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December 13, 2019 11:14am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Hopefully.
  
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  December 13, 2019 11:27am
- DigNap15
  
  Yes Lets get Brexit done!
  No deal and no payment to the EU.
  Make them squirm.
  
  Corbyn and Labour were going full on communist – Nationalize all big businesses!
  
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  December 13, 2019 11:37am
- hullkiwi
  
  Can he fall on his sword quicker than Foote and Kinnock?
  
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  December 13, 2019 11:54am
- Tony Stuart
  
  It’s going to be fun this afternoon watching all the talking heads on BBC coming to terms with a Johnson landslide.
  
  The Left in the UK is going to be apoplectic. As soon as the exit polls were released, I saw this on Twitter:
  
  Jess
  @BabyCabana
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  If the #exitpoll is true, then shame on every single one of you who voted for the conservatives. You are as THICK, as IGNORANT, as knuckle-draggingly IDIOTIC as you are portrayed through out the world! I’m ashamed of every one of you. You have killed our NHS, you mongrels.
  
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  December 13, 2019 12:15pm
  - Toko
    
    Have already seen the first comment blaming Russian interference on FB. The commenter didn’t know anyone who voted Tory, so it had to be the Russians. I think that these tribal bubbles of personalised newsfeeds that people live in now, are quite dangerous, as many can’t comprehend that there are differing viewpoints. Anyone not agreeing with them is an evil far right capitalist.
    
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    December 13, 2019 12:26pm
  - alloytoo
    
    Labour, like the Democrats simply do not understand introspection.
    
    Looks like Boris is set to win Biggly
    
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    December 13, 2019 1:28pm
- cut n paster
  
  Meant to drop this off here 🙂
  https://ibb.co/p3cjdRh
  
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  December 13, 2019 12:19pm
secondcumming

Nothing to see here then 😎

*NBR* reports…..
Sale of mansion to ANZ CEO’s wife was ‘arms length’, Deloitte says.

Well, what else would they say ffs?
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December 13, 2019 11:27am
- Tall Man
  
  So an independent assessment clears everything.
  
  Time to move on.
  
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  December 13, 2019 12:09pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  I’d be interested to know whether the IRD has taken any interest in the transaction.
  
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  December 13, 2019 1:52pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Story being peddled by Doomers in recent days about Greenlands accelerating ice loss. Here is a graph of recent ice loss:

https://tinyurl.com/ruhdk56

Their lies stick out like dogs balls when you see the data.
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December 13, 2019 11:36am
- Stephieboy2
  
  Sourced from where ?
  
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  December 13, 2019 2:08pm
Maggie Pie

TOMORROWS PAPER!!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ELnsPGMXsAAYF0a?format=png&name=900

Looks like my partner’s dream came true.
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December 13, 2019 11:47am
rangitoto

Te Papa Green propaganda fakery:

https://twitter.com/toddmullerBoP/status/1205255449315966977
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December 13, 2019 11:57am
- Tall Man
  
  I suppose they couldn’t use real shit as that just becomes a display of the current coalition.
  
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  December 13, 2019 12:07pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Well done Todd Muller, for busting Te Papa’s disgraceful and misleading stunt designed to demonise farmers.
  
  Am I correct in thinking that the Minister responsible for Te Papa is Minister for Arts, Culture and Heritage, Rt. Hon. Jacinda Ardern?
  
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  December 13, 2019 12:18pm
  - Tall Man
    
    So a “lie” isn’t all that surprising.
    
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    December 13, 2019 12:40pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Calm down:
  
  Camp said the challenge for the museum was to take a complex and varied picture, and present it in a simple, easy-to-understand way, that was still true to the overall reality.
  “That is what we have done with this display. The scientific evidence is absolutely clear, human activity is making many of our waterways not safe to drink, or not safe to swim in,” she said.
  “There are many dairy farmers and organisations out there doing great work to care for waterways, and we salute the work they are doing.”
  Climate change and freshwater were two major focuses of the museum’s Te Taiao Nature exhibition, where the bottles had been on display since November 19.
  “They’re some of the most important scientific issues of our times, and something that we know from research that Kiwis care deeply about,” Camp said.
  “Te Papa is a scientific institution, everything we do is based on really robust science, our job is to make that accessible and engaging for a wide audience
  “We are a place for New Zealanders to have important and sometimes difficult conversations – that’s something we don’t shy away from.”
  The museum had a mandate to help New Zealand meet the challenges of the future and was doing that through thought-provoking exhibitions like Te Taiao Nature, she said.
  
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  December 13, 2019 1:49pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Explaining is losing. They have wrongly tarred all farmers with the same brush, using contrived “evidence”. That Camp seems to think this behaviour was acceptable in a “scientific institution” seriously questions her fitness for the job.
    
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    December 13, 2019 2:07pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Explaining is losing?
      Has there ever been a similar phrase to sum up the embrace of wilful ignorance?
      
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      December 13, 2019 2:11pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Kate Camp is a wonderful reviewer of books.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kate_Camp
      
      I do not think she has any science qualifications.
      
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      December 13, 2019 2:28pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    They are just setting us up for the green meme for next year.
    Maori want to own water–let them make their own. They would probably just sell off the rights to Nestles if they they had them.
    
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    December 13, 2019 2:14pm
  - cut n paster
    
    A Parliament of Gumboots
    https://ibb.co/pvGqRPc
    
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    December 13, 2019 7:16pm
JibberJabber

It`s a Blizzard of snowflakes,
https://twitter.com/five15design/status/1205246481348775937

Read the comments for LoLz, …..hahahahaha ?

Democracy eh, what a C#*T of a System?

Suck it up Tinkerbelles.
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December 13, 2019 12:04pm
- Tall Man
  
  Thanks for that. Such a joy.
  
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  December 13, 2019 12:45pm
- alex Masterley
  
  Crikey, what a bunch of cupcakes.
  The whinging will be loud enough to require ear plugs.
  
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  December 13, 2019 12:46pm
  - Tall Man
    
    https://www.askideas.com/media/15/Ear-Cleaning-Funny-Picture.jpg
    
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    December 13, 2019 2:39pm
lifesgood

This anti farming rhetoric has gone too far! Te Papa has now admitted that water they were displaying as from a farm stream contaminated by cow pooh was just plain water with brown dye added. This is outrageous and disgraceful. No wonder farmers are featuring high in the suicide stats. Any farmers reading this…I am a huge fan of you. I love the rural sector and fully understand how hard you work for the good of the country. Whoever thought this stunt at Te Papa was a good idea needs to be sacked forthwith.
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December 13, 2019 12:06pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  If the National Museum doesn’t do truth are they a branch of the Labour Party or Grrrrrns?
  
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  December 13, 2019 2:12pm
cut n paster

Getting it handed to you….
https://ibb.co/p3cjdRh
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December 13, 2019 12:07pm
Rich Prick

If the exit polls are an indication, the second Brexit referendum is going to be overwhelming. The left will lose their collective shit.
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December 13, 2019 12:28pm
- Stephieboy2
  
  Unlike you I take these kind of results on the chin and learn to move on.
  
  Boris -like Jacinda and Donnie is no reason to get hysterical and unhinged about.
  
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  December 13, 2019 12:40pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    Unlike me? You have no idea. But I am predicting tears of impotent rage and lots of angry shouting.
    
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    December 13, 2019 1:33pm
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      I am soooooo looking forward to the tears of impotent rage and angry shouting!
      
      Nothing is as satisfying as the sound of socialists loosing their shit!
      
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      December 13, 2019 3:34pm
- Littletramp
  
  Polls vs election results in UK today. Further proof that Leftists and liberals spend all day preaching on twitter while living off the taxpayers, and conservatives spend all day at work and don’t get time to tweet. The deafening noise these people make telling us all how to run our lives, simply does not truly represent the thoughts of the masses.
  
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  December 13, 2019 1:03pm
Maggie Pie

No Shorn Plunket again today 🙁
Even the Maori girl they’ve got filling in for him on Magic is preferable to that pair of boring dorks on ZB.

Just saying.
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December 13, 2019 12:33pm
- Inandout
  
  MP, Marcus has been busy on his normally ghostly show because of White Island. Won’t last unless….
  
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  December 13, 2019 5:01pm
Batman

Listennup Maganians, you better tune in to hear how your favourite President can totally get a third term with this one weird trick!

https://twitter.com/GovMikeHuckabee/status/1205211276005101568?s=19

“I’ll be on @seanhannity 2nite @FoxNews at 9pm ET and will explain how @realDonaldTrump will be eligible for a 3rd term due to the illegal attempts by Comey, Dems, and media , et al attempting to oust him as @POTUS so that’s why I was named to head up the 2024 re-election.”

All I can say is, hah! What a crock of shit!
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December 13, 2019 12:54pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  ‘eligible for a 3rd term’…
  Now we know where his daughter learned to lie so fluently.
  
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  December 13, 2019 1:51pm
  - Tall Man
    
    I didn’t know she had spent time with ardern.
    
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    December 13, 2019 2:36pm
- Tall Man
  
  Who cares?
  
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  December 13, 2019 2:35pm
Stephieboy2

Another of Trump’s bizarre conspiracy theories shot down in flames . This time the FBI embedded a spy in Trumps 2016 election campaign,

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/dominicholden/donald-trump-inspector-general-report-fisa-carter-page-fbi
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December 13, 2019 1:00pm
- Fletch
  
  They did. And the IG report says they did.
  
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  December 13, 2019 5:52pm
mandk

The first seat the Tories have won from Labour in the UK is in a seat they have never won before.

And, delicious irony, the victor’s name is Levy.

God has a sense of humour.
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December 13, 2019 1:11pm
cut n paster

Scars like tattoos
https://ibb.co/3zL0sHQ
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December 13, 2019 1:29pm
mark15

‘Absolutely’ is like ketchup,you can put it in front of anything.
Grrr
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December 13, 2019 1:58pm
- cut n paster
  
  It’s big in Aussie with upward swinging corporate execs – “Absolutely Peter”
  Not to blow my own horn or nothing, but I’m a champion at “Absolutely Bingo” played during TransTasman teleconferences.
  It’s a “YES” sound bite with a sucking overtone…
  
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  December 13, 2019 2:36pm
JibberJabber

In honor of Jeremy Corbyn losing here’s this amazing video
https://twitter.com/Bmac0507/status/1205251802104360961
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December 13, 2019 2:12pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Great! Absodutely great! ?
  
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  December 13, 2019 3:39pm
- cut n paster
  
  Absolutely robust loss for clarity….
  
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  December 13, 2019 7:29pm
mandk

Tories winning seats from working class areas in north England.

Just goes to show that Labour is the party for chardonnay socialists, polytechnic marxists, and jew-haters.
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December 13, 2019 2:30pm
- curry4me
  
  I wish the Brexit Party had won enough seats to keep the Tories honest.
  
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  December 13, 2019 11:00pm
BobbyS

How to isolate the majority of a population
Is there an interpreter in the house?

News from Te Papa via Facebook
Whakamihi and congratulations Courtney Johnston, the new Chief Executive of Te Papa. Te whānau o Te Papa are celebrating today as we welcome a new leader from within the museum.

Courtney has a long history with Te Papa: twenty years ago she was rocking the thumbprint shirt as a visitor host on the floor. Since then she’s racked up diverse experience including as Director of The Dowse Art Museum and Petone Settlers Museum, as the chair of Museums Aotearoa, and most recently as Director of Audience and Insight at Te Papa.

Courtney will co-lead Te Papa with our Kaihautū, Arapata Hakiwai, and bring her lifelong passion for and knowledge of museums to the role. Ka rawe!
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December 13, 2019 2:46pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Kaihautū
  Eat Hautu?
  
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  December 13, 2019 4:11pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Te Papa has been dumping as many of its scientists since it’s inception.
  
  Read Trevor Worthy’s comment (1st one) on this Stuff article.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/science/110589799/axed-te-papa-scientists-granted-temporary-stay-of-execution#comments
  
  He was one of the first to be dumped… Ozzie’s gain, our loss.
  
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  December 13, 2019 5:01pm
mark15

Everybody who includes ‘absolutely’ unnecessarily in a reply will get a down tick from me.

I know,single step and all that,but this MUST stop.
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December 13, 2019 4:00pm
- Humble Capitalist
  
  What about if somebody udderly rejects something?
  
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  December 13, 2019 5:16pm
Jack5

Australia is going into a new minerals boom – this time its mining titanium, lithium, and rare earths.

Australia is New Zealand’s second biggest trading partner. Yet you don’t hear the politicians and bureaucrats saying how we should be building our exports to Australia.

The “junkets” to China are more interesting.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/the-next-mining-boom-rare-earths-and-the-rise-of-australia-s-other-minerals-20191119-p53c48.html
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December 13, 2019 4:46pm
mandk

I absolutely agree.
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December 13, 2019 4:48pm
sooty

Going to Australia is not as exciting as a junket to China.
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December 13, 2019 5:00pm
Maggie Pie

My partners mum just email us this link from the Herald.
It has to be one of the most disturbing and depraved things I’ve ever read 🙁
As she sez: “To think that the PM who now has a daughter of her own, wants to let filthy low scum like this into New Zealand.”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12293292
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December 13, 2019 5:11pm
greybeard

My God, some of these CoL MPs are getting bloody fat !
Kelvin Davis, Grant Robertson, Shane Jones, Megan Wood: what on earth. are they doing to themselves ?
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December 13, 2019 5:15pm
- cut n paster
  
  Ministerial lunches…
  https://ibb.co/WVtyQCP
  
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  December 13, 2019 5:58pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Now that the lefties have gone home for the weekend to be emasculated, I will post this.
See? The left have NO sense of humour.
https://babylonbee.com/news/poll-finds-most-people-would-rather-be-annihilated-by-giant-tidal-wave-than-continue-to-be-lectured-by-climate-change-activists?fbclid=IwAR1spb6tUIVQXE6EXnzgEX2I7TQDssCHk2O744TvP0n595OtFChW5jJ3nVc
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December 13, 2019 5:18pm
slightlyrighty

OMG…..

You have to go to the Standard now. Their thread on the UK elections state that….

The rules are:
– To comment you have to be left wing.

This is why the left will fail. They refuse to listen to anyone who does not agree with them.
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December 13, 2019 5:28pm
cut n paster

British backpackers complain they can’t find work
Jeeze, sorry we don’t have that many circuses and freakshows…
LINK: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12293372&ref=clavis
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December 13, 2019 5:39pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  TBH i really worry about my partner sometimes. Just called him to have a look at this.
  First thing he sez when i show him the picture of Maree is, “Hmm, I would”.
  
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  December 13, 2019 6:25pm
Fletch

Rep Doug Collins has had enough –

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=802202776886290
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December 13, 2019 5:51pm
Jack5

Now we have the Greens spongeing on taxpayers …

This is deep-red socialism. Special buying help for bureaucrats and apparatchiks – in New Zealand!

State and local body employees are to benefit from half-price electric bikes, thanks to Government subsidies. This was announced today by Green Minister Genter.

In the Soviet Union, there were special shops for the Communist elite, so they could buy luxury goods, and Western goods that would not even have been described as luxury by Westerners.

The KGB had special shops of its own for the higher ranked of its staff of more than half a million.

The Melon Greens are introducing this form of State elitism to New Zealand. From $300 to $1200 each for 50,000 public “servants”. That’s up to $60 million.

Remember this when you see the GST added to your purchase from Amazon and Aliexpress.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/405461/government-employees-to-get-e-bike-discount-of-up-to-50-percent
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December 13, 2019 6:15pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/118192813/john-tamiheres-500k-auckland-mayoral-campaign-part-funded-by-social-agency

Who on earth would trust anyone with the name Tamihere or Harawira ?
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December 13, 2019 6:18pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Although its like my partner says, “….how could you trust someone like Goff when his biggest donors are Chinamen”.
  
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  December 13, 2019 6:48pm
Maggy Wassilieff

NZ confirmed as likely source of Measles epidemic in Samoa.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/405411/mfat-confirms-new-zealand-as-likely-source-of-samoa-s-measles-epidemic
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December 13, 2019 6:19pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  And it can’t be stressed enough to the ‘Samoan Community’ the importance of getting their Measles Vaccination before heading home for Christmas.
  
  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ELTM7TnUwAAIn6J?format=jpg&name=small
  
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  December 13, 2019 7:49pm
- marcw
  
  TBH, the “source” of the Measles epidemic in Samoa was their ~40% vaccination rate. And the public health authorities who enabled this abysmal state of affairs.
  
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