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Captain Mainwaring

So Robbo was on Hosking’s show this morning in place of the world traveller and the grumpy old litigant.
What’s happened to Labour’s deputy leader Kelvinator?
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November 5, 2019 8:02am
- Blackbob
  
  He’s on Ice….
  
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  November 5, 2019 8:10am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Iceboxed.
  
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  November 5, 2019 8:10am
- hullkiwi
  
  And Chippie on Red Radio Morning Report…..
  
  Does this mean Kelvin is hiding in the witless protection programme….
  
  What a political giant he is…..that the Labour/Jacinda image needs protecting from Kelvin and his ability to say the wrong thing to the media…..
  
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  November 5, 2019 8:10am
- pdm
  
  Witless protection.
  
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  November 5, 2019 8:11am
- Pateke
  
  Special K was having his brekkie.
  
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  November 5, 2019 8:14am
- oldgolfer
  
  He was at the prison door, keeping people out.
  
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  November 5, 2019 8:19am
  - sooty
    
    Yep. At the prison door turning people away!
    You can’t come in here, you ain’t naughty enough
    Prison is only for stale, pale, old white fellas that own guns!
    
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    November 5, 2019 8:53am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  The difference between the inCinderator and then Minister of Bogus Surpluses, cough cough, was the absence of um, ah, oh looks and, ‘I’ll get back to on that Mike’
  
  The similarity was ‘I don’t have those numbers in front of me’
  
  Much better interview but I enjoy the PTPM fucking it up every Tuesday with the Hosk so, although Robertson gave more succinct answers, the entertainment value wasn’t there.
  
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  November 5, 2019 8:28am
  - BobbyS
    
    “oh look”
    “oh look”
    “oh look”
    Both PTPM & Mr Felcher repeat that ad nauseum
    
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    November 5, 2019 9:50am
- GazzaW
  
  Robbo is also answering the PTPM’s questions at QT today. Kelvin really is the classic ‘token’.
  
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  November 5, 2019 9:37am
  - sooty
    
    Can’t be trusted to um and arh, even!
    That’s a special kind of dumb!
    Only put there for the colour of his skin!
    
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    November 5, 2019 11:23am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Noooooooooooooo!
      
      How very dare you! 9Catherine Tate had it before the poster child for autism.)
      
      To say something like that is racissssssssst! Check your privilege you red neck honky!
      
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      November 5, 2019 12:34pm
Maggie Pie

BREAKING…

Grant Robinson confirms to Hosking’s Breakfast:

“Alf has been using Sheep Placenta Cream for ages”
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November 5, 2019 8:03am
- pdm
  
  `“Alf has been using Sheep Placenta Cream for ages”
  
  On what part of his anatomy?
  
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  November 5, 2019 8:38am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Dags?
    
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    November 5, 2019 9:06am
- freethinker
  
  Yes but were is he using it???
  
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  November 5, 2019 10:21am
hullkiwi

So, what is Slater’s/Lusk’s/JLR’s take on Luxon winning the Botany selection?
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November 5, 2019 8:13am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Everything that is wrong with the world will be Simon Bridges’ and Christopher Luxon’s fault, and JLR will ride into Botany as a White Knight. I would imagine they already have an exhaustive list of disaffected Air NZ employees, all of whom will also be character witnesses for JLR being even more saintly than Mother Teresa.
  
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  November 5, 2019 8:30am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  We have to wait for the delusional drugs to take effect so the sheeple can line up behind the glorious leader to echo his opinions.
  
  I have some paint outside I am keeping an eye on . . .
  
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  November 5, 2019 8:30am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I do criticise the mods for perceived tardiness, but not today.
    
    Thank you guys
    
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    November 5, 2019 8:35am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    And I’m keeping a close eye on the lawn growing…
    
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    November 5, 2019 8:36am
    - sooty
      
      Don’t you go sprinkling that lawn.
      Save it for the lemon tree!
      
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      November 5, 2019 8:59am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Bye Bye – you traitorous, philandering, corrupt, dishonest, incompetent, petulant, narcissistic fool. ( and no, I am not talking about Winston Peters, who fits most of the description too.
  
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  November 5, 2019 8:36am
  - chaos
    
    I can’t think of a single thing that useless slob said was going to happen that did, just lies and a really nasty piece of work.
    
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    November 5, 2019 12:30pm
- chaos
  
  Who cares what Slater thinks, the guy should of been in the same padded cell as Jami.
  
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  November 5, 2019 9:18am
secondcumming

*Xi Thought*

China’s leadership is progressively becoming a bigger & bigger problem for us all.
*Xi Thought* has been described as a newly developing constitution that all Chinese people should respect and embrace.

We should ALL be concerned…..

https://bitterwinter.org/ccp-members-officials-forced-to-learn-xi-thought-by-heart/
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November 5, 2019 8:14am
- Paginus
  
  Still better than NZ, where we all must embrace trans kids, and sodomy.
  
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  November 5, 2019 10:26am
Yvette

Winston’s court case –
While Winston initially resolved the super-payments issue within 24 hours of being notified of the problem, which was commendable. it would appear others involved in the issue also endeavoured to do the correct thing as required of them –

Boyle had consulted State Services Commissioner Peter Hughes, who in turn consulted Solicitor General Una Jagose, before Tolley and State Services Minister Paula Bennett were told.

Since the crux now of the court case seems to be whether Ministers should have been informed or not, the case will surely be credible only if it reveals what specific advice Solicitor General Una Jagose gave State Services Commissioner Peter Hughes, and the reasons for that advice, if indeed any was given.
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November 5, 2019 8:20am
- Brian McDonald
  
  That, and who leaked.
  Yesterday’s cross examination was to the filling out of the document, not an acceptance that the amount was repaid – that probably gives a clue that the defence and therefore the Minister’s grasped the information as having political purchase. The leak is the problem not whether WP filled the form out properly or not, also the nonsense about which office he went to – he was hardly travelling to ensure he wasn’t recognized or that his name wouldn’t be.
  
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  November 5, 2019 8:48am
  - Happychappy
    
    Brian I might be wrong but didn’t the first Leaks from the former Green Party Leader over her honesty with Social welfare originate from NZ First.
    
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    November 5, 2019 9:41am
    - Brian McDonald
      
      Not sure Happychappy. Wouldn’t be a surprise. I’m interested in the point of whether internal party policy trumps the Law, or when it does not. It won’t be a bad thing for there to be some clarity around that.
      
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      November 5, 2019 12:00pm
      - peterwn
        
        The ‘no surprises’ policy is in the Cabinet Manual so is not a ‘party policy’. The MSD chief sought advice from State Services Commissioner (both being sued) who sought advice from Solicitor General which must have advised that the responsible ministers had to be informed. Even if the Judgment shows that the SG’s advice was wrong, the culpability of the senior public servants would be reduced to near zero.
        
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        November 5, 2019 2:17pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  One thing that puzzles me through all this is why did a resident of St Mary’s Bay, near the Harbour Bridge, go all the way to [deleted by Mod] to apply for NZ Superannuation. Very strange.
  Why did a man, who has a great support of wrinklies, wait until one day after his 65th birthday to apply for NZ Superannuation? Most would apply about four weeks before their 65th birthday.
  When Winston’s beancounter scanned through Winnie’s draft tax return why didn’t he notice that Winnie was getting much more NZ Super than were most of his other clients. For example; if the imputation credits only came to 8% of the NZ dividends a competent beancounter would say weird! Let’s check this out. Similarly if Winston’s super was more than the beancounter’s father’s super a warning bell should have sounded.
  I was disappointed that Justice Venning did not insist that Winston answer questions when being cross examined. His evasive responses to questions were not answers; they were evasive responses.
  Apparently Winston was tired as his international flight had been delayed the previous evening. When reading his brief of evidence he seemed to have the reading ability of a ten year old. It did not sound good.
  I took one for the team. I sat there from 10.10 a.m. through to 5.03 p.m.
  
  [Supressed information removed by Mod. You have breached supression, do not ever do that again on this blog. You put DPF at legal risk. Thanks to the eagle-eyed commenter who spotted this.]
  
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  November 5, 2019 9:05am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    well done…
    Can we expect a daily report of the proceedings from you?
    
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    November 5, 2019 9:25am
    - oldgolfer
      
      Excellent coverage of the proceedings at Newsroom. Interesting reading.
      
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      November 5, 2019 10:00am
      - peterwn
        
        Tim Murphy was one of the original people that Winston went after.
        
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        November 5, 2019 2:22pm
  - Chris2
    
    “One thing that puzzles me through all this is why did a resident of St Mary’s Bay, near the Harbour Bridge, go all the way to Papakura to apply for NZ Superannuation. Very strange.”
    
    I think I can answer this as a relative was in a similar position last month. They applied for their Super online and then needed to make an appointment for an interview and to hand over copies of ID, etc. But their nearest WINZ office had no available appointments for two weeks and they were invited to attend a more distant WINZ office that had appointment times available in three days, so they traveled there.
    
    WINZ do not pay Super arrears, if you apply after your 65th birthday they only begin the payments from when you apply, they are not back-dated, so given Peters applied after he turned 65 he would probably have travelled to the moon if that was the only place that could offer him an almost immediate appointment.
    
    Incidentally, I accompanied my relative to the WINZ meeting and WINZ spent at least 10 minutes going through the “Rate card” explaining all the different Superannuation rates for being single/in a relationship, etc. Peters would have had the same thing explained to him, you can’t be in any doubt during the interview about the different criteria for single and defacto/married rates.
    
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    November 5, 2019 9:37am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    My sincere apologies. Several times the people speaking spoke away from the microphones and were inaudible in the public gallery, like that bit I erroneously included. Several names were suppressed so, of course, I did not mention them; but that bit I got wrong; I am sorry.
    
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    November 5, 2019 9:41am
  - Yvette
    
    Tauhei Notts, as you indicate, there are a couple of details that are intriguing.
    Like the original reportage said the super application form was not completed in front of Winston.
    So did he sign an uncompleted form – what was not complete, and wouldn’t he then more likely have checked any later correspondence, rather than not read it?
    
    And if that portion is so totally vague, how can you claim damages of someone without specifically naming them, or determine any motive for the release of information, without knowing even who released it.
    Could have been a receptionist, when he went to fix his account up – “Guess who I saw today, looking a little flustered”
    
    Such things can happened – like the politician that accused John Key of having the SIS surveil him, to know that he’d visited Dotcom a few times, but had forgotten the politician himself had with drink in hand at a Waitangi Day horse races told Auckland Herald gossip columnist of the visits.
    
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    November 5, 2019 9:44am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    His travelling out of the area where he lives, when he filled out the form time wise, or what his ‘bean counter’ did or didn’t do? are not elements in this case. Still I hope you enjoyed yourself.
    
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    November 5, 2019 9:45am
    - sooty
      
      Why would Whinestone be tired after his international flight, he’s already proved he can sleep anywhere!
      
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      November 5, 2019 10:03am
    - Paulus
      
      Understand that Peters said that his Partner was with him when he registered for his Pension.
      Three WINZ staff said he was alone so he has called them effectively L…s !
      
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      November 5, 2019 1:51pm
      - Lizziep
        
        I am interested in this case as when I applied to receive the super, the member of staff I was meeting with was very explicit in all details, they asked did I live alone, did I pay rent, have a mortgage etc etc. Surely as a Member of Parliament we should expect Mr Peters would have the ability to fill out a government form correctly. Also every couple of years or it might be annually I am not 100% sure, but definitely biannually we receive a letter from MSD asking if our circumstances have changed in any way. It states what we receive presently and our relationship status. My question is this, does an MP not receive mail from government departments? If so I would imagine it is necessary for everyone to read them just like the rest of us do? I would have thought out of interest as he has on so many occasions stated he had such an interest in seniors he would have been at least interested in what was said. This whole episode is very puzzling.
        
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        November 5, 2019 3:43pm
      - alex Masterley
        
        The reports note also that Mr Peters took umbrage at the suggestion, recorded in a staffers file note that he pulled an Aaron Gilmore.
        
        Ha Ha
        
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        November 5, 2019 3:52pm
  - david
    
    Peter Williams on Magic, just now mentioned which office of MSD WP had attended to make his application, mentioning also that he drove past 8 other offices. So is that suppressed information?
    
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    November 5, 2019 10:00am
    - peterwn
      
      Tim Murphy on ‘Newsroom’ said the WINZ office location was suppressed. That is why I tipped the mods. Even if Tim had it wrong (unlikely) it is still better to play safe.
      See:
      https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/11/05/895355/multiple-omissions-in-peters-super-application
      
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      November 5, 2019 2:33pm
  - backster
    
    I wonder why the office to which he travelled to make his application had to be suppressed like open and transparent Government suppression stinks.
    
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    November 5, 2019 10:49am
    - peterwn
      
      Tim Murphy said the office location was suppressed as a staffer who works there also had name suppression (along with various rank and file public servants involved in the case).
      
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      November 5, 2019 2:35pm
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  I would have thought that every single cent of Winston’s income should be able to be publicly discussed. He certainly seems to be well heeled for a career politician. John Key was independently wealthy, and all his income was accountable. Where does Winnie get his money from?
  
  Those suits are not cheap, even if they don’t need a lot of material to make them!
  
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  November 5, 2019 9:14am
  - lifesgood
    
    His de facto is very, very wealthy.
    
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    November 5, 2019 9:46am
  - sooty
    
    Brown paper bags?
    
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    November 5, 2019 10:04am
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      sooty
      One bag for the boodle; one for his single malt.
      
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      November 5, 2019 12:52pm
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    It’s a bit like the Clintons isn’t it. It is well known that they were ‘broke’ when he left office, yet now they are wallowing in the Benjamins. How does that work?
    
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    November 5, 2019 10:21am
  - igm
    
    He can by a lot of Luigi suits for $158,000 he owes taxpayers. He is a charlatan through and through.
    
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    November 5, 2019 10:27am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  There should not be a privacy right or a cause of action in defamation that protects illegal conduct.
  
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  November 5, 2019 9:20am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    That’s not relevant in this case anyway. Peter’s settled his/MSW’s oversight. This case is about the passage of information under a ‘no surprise’ policy, whether that was legal under the Privacy Act, about it’s leaking, and whether that was politically motivated.
    
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    November 5, 2019 9:52am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      The case is more about Winston expressing himself. He is showing less and less of being “with it”. Winston now presents as a grumpy old grouch, a classic form of aging dementia.
      What next is he going to allege–someone soiled his seat in the House?
      
      With a random malfunctioning brain we can expect real peculiar stuff to emerge–that’s the norm and why many people are in care because physical behaviour breakdown is closely associated. It’s like a computer with a failing motherboard. The weirdest things can happen and that’s what reveals the fault.
      
      Like other elderly he is substituting personal confusion for reality. While I’m a little older too, I have lot to do with other elderly through ministry and are getting familiar with symptoms.
      
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      November 5, 2019 2:33pm
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        You, sir, nailed it.
        
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        November 5, 2019 5:50pm
- cas
  
  In terms of Winston’s reputation having been sullied by the leak, I think his reputation will suffer more by the details about the parts of the forms he couldn’t fill out properly, the wrong date etc and that he didn’t follow up letters from MSD.
  
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  November 5, 2019 9:21am
  - sooty
    
    What you think he’s an old duffy and forgetting things?
    
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    November 5, 2019 10:05am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Ah yes.
    Winstone’s ‘reputation’
    “We recommend by majority that Rt Hon (snigger) Winston Peters be censured by the House for knowingly providing FALSE OR MISLEADING INFORMATION on a return of pecuniary interests.”
    
    Seems to be a bit of a pattern this not completing Forms properly.
    Bit of a coincidence that the mistakes favour him financially too…
    
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    November 5, 2019 11:41am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    What does it say about MSD proceeding with uncompleted forms?
    
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    November 5, 2019 12:04pm
Ian Boag

Luxon thinks the no-jab no-pay should applied to WFF recipients.

Why stop there? What about people getting the accommodation supplement and/or 20 hours free childcare? Should unvaxxed kids be allowed at kindy? The list goes on.
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November 5, 2019 8:20am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Rarely do I agree with you Ian.
  
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  November 5, 2019 8:23am
- rjay
  
  Unvaxxed kids are not welcome at kindy already.
  
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  November 5, 2019 8:24am
- hullkiwi
  
  Ian, clipping the ticket of MSD/WINZ should come with acceptance of expectations that welfare is provided with responsibilities and obligations being placed on the recipient. If, they can’t live up go their end of the deal, then they must accept the consequences.
  
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  November 5, 2019 8:30am
  - Ian Boag
    
    Trying to get a comprehensive list
    
    – solo parents on a benefit
    – non-solo parents on a benefit
    – job seeker beneficiaries
    – accommodation supplement
    – WFF recipients
    – first home grant people
    – free 20 hour childcare recipients
    
    Probably missed some
    
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    November 5, 2019 8:38am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Yes, and look at the current situation in South Auckland. Two months of fluffing around playing catchup, and NZ (a supposedly developed country):
      1. Has more cases per capita than the US; and
      2. We have helped spread the measles outbreak to 2 undeveloped nations – with Samoa declaring an epidemic.
      
      Are you happy with the situation?
      
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      November 5, 2019 8:53am
      - Brian McDonald
        
        I’m not happy with it. I’d like to know what the figures are as to whom are not vaccinated and why, before a resolution is looked for. Does Luxon know?
        
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        November 5, 2019 9:08am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Funny how these epidemics started after the CoL dropped all the targets that National had worked so hard to achieve.
        I wonder if it would have happened if National had won outright and we would still have >95% immunization, instead of the current <90%?
        
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        November 5, 2019 9:42am
    - woodburner
      
      Everyone in this country is a beneficiary of govt transfers in some way. Some transfers are more liquid than others, (ie more cash), but benefiting from govt transfers is actually unavoidable in this country.
      
      So why no then just be honest about it, and say that as a price of living in a first world nation, vaccination is mandatory for all (with appropriate medical exemptions)?
      
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      November 5, 2019 9:39am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Pretty rare though, for a superannuant to have children of an age to require vaccination. Does happen though. If the superannuant has survived to that age unvaccinated and without catching the disease, good on them.
        
        I don’t think I received a measles vaccine – possibly wasn’t available back then – but I did catch measles as a lad so presumably am still more or less immune to a second dose. Don’t think I had Rubella though.
        
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        November 5, 2019 12:23pm
    - kevn
      
      @i boag… Plus
      – enthusiastic bloggers?
      – Anyone who is happy to play roulette with their
      childs health?
      
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      November 5, 2019 9:41am
  - Surely Knott
    
    What about Steiner Schools. Do they not get some state funding. What are their schools values on vaccinating in 2019. From wikipedia, “Paul Offit wrote that Steiner believed vaccination “interferes with karmic development and the cycles of reincarnation”, and that adherence to this belief led to a 2008 pertussis outbreak in a Californian Waldorf school, causing its temporary closure.[9]” Personally I think it’s a slippery slope docking peoples benefits for vaccination. Would prefer to see them run a positive public health campaign blitz in the affected areas. Churches, Schools, Maraes, Plunket Nurses. And a vaccine register. And get on the phone to anyone not vaccinated. Anything punitive would have to apply to anyone who doesn’t vaccinate evenly.
    
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    November 5, 2019 1:49pm
- MCos
  
  Should unvaxxed kids be allowed to go to state schools, public hospitals.
  Should parents be allowed to use the State Highway system if their kids are not vaccinated?
  
  Where does it end?
  
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  November 5, 2019 8:36am
  - sooty
    
    Should unvaxed be allowed in a cemetry near you? Should they go up the chimney first?
    
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    November 5, 2019 9:04am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Should unwaxxed women be allowed to wear bikinis at Mission Bay?
      
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      November 5, 2019 9:39am
      - sooty
        
        Only if they have their titties out
        Then you don’t see the unwaxed bit!
        
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        November 5, 2019 11:30am
  - Ed Snack
    
    And what about those that medically should NOT be vaccinated. There is a small number for whom vaccination is contraindicated. Just as an example, some immune compromised children should not be vaccinated. Should they be banned from places ?
    
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    November 5, 2019 12:26pm
    - Classic Liberal
      
      If their Dr can prove it, these children are exactly the reason a high ‘herd immunity’ is needed – to protect them. Any ‘no jab no pay’ would be very likely to exempt them.
      
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      November 5, 2019 1:28pm
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      No. There are always medically valid exceptions. But medical validity does not include the ‘worried well’ and virtue-signalling idiots who want the benefits of herd immunity without accepting the (very small but not zero) risks of vaccination.
      
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      November 5, 2019 5:54pm
- srylands
  
  The vaccination problem requires a considered response. I think anti vaxxers are a menace but I don’t agree with just picking on beneficiaries. The answer lies in reducing the numbers of anti vaxxers and stigmatising them. Get them down to a hard core of crazies. If we can get vaccination rates to 95 percent, it does not matter that much that there are a small number of hard core crazies. But it is quite a different thing if that 5 percent becomes 15 percent.
  
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  November 5, 2019 8:52am
- Brian McDonald
  
  First of all why is their concentration on WFF recipients? What are the figures concerning who is immunised and who is not? Is it because they can be punished?
  
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  November 5, 2019 8:53am
  - Jules99
    
    The figures I saw showed the highest proportion of unvaxed kids were Maori and Pasifika, not your stereotypical yummy mummy anti-vaxxers. Probably need a data-led approach rather than appeals to emotion.
    
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    November 5, 2019 9:17am
    - Brian McDonald
      
      Agreed.
      
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      November 5, 2019 9:54am
  - Sacha
    
    Probably because they have the stats – simple as that. I read that the profile of the unvaccinated children showed that a good percentage of them came from families on welfare and lower incomes.
    It is the same grouping that sees its children admitted to hospital with poverty-induced illnesses.
    
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    November 5, 2019 9:23am
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      Are illnesses “induced” by poverty – or are the poor choice behaviors that mire people in poverty while breeding what they cannot afford to feed, house and clothe etc. “inducing” these illnesses? I see considerable evidence in everyday life for the latter. When I was a kid we had no heat pumps, heater on in one room only in winter, unheated bedrooms, etc. etc. so forth like most of my generation – but my parents stayed together, stopped at the 2 kids they could afford, and held down jobs.
      
      Do I sound unsympathetic to these families on welfare and lower incomes? I suppose I do. But I’ve been paying taxes and in full time work for lo these 47 years and I’ve long had a gutsful of “It’s not my fault, you’re guilty, gimme more of your earnings”. Sod off Swampy, I say.
      
      Excuse me while I go have breakfast to feel less grumpy – just pulled a long overnight shift 🙂
      
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      November 5, 2019 9:53am
    - Brian McDonald
      
      So what is the plan of attack for those on low incomes?
      
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      November 5, 2019 9:55am
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        How about
        1. parents stay together
        2. kid(s) finish school
        3. contraceptives in schools
        4. on one kid’s benefit already and want it to continue? agree to tubes tied (male/female tubes irrelevant)
        5. name the father!
        6. go back to shaming feckless maternal breeders and shiftless layabout dads
        7. drug testing all beneficiaries (hell, I have to do a drug test every now and then to stay paid – why the ever-loving Spirit of Stupidity do the people with their greedy grabbing hands out for our hard-won earnings not have to do the same???)
        8. no solo parents in Cabinet – set a damn example already you reckless spongers
        9. no unmarried couples in Parliament
        10. Engelbert as Enforcer of the New Rules 🙂
        
        …that’d be a good start IMO.
        
        In short: when we stop social shaming of, and make others pay for, the consequences of bad behavior, drugged-up lifestyles and continuing (not one-off! or under-18!) poor choices – we’ve all seen we get more of same, down the generations.
        
        When we stop paying… you do the math.
        
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        November 5, 2019 11:46am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Probably because a significant majority of parents NOT on a benefit with children in the vaccination age group do receive WFF.
    
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    November 5, 2019 12:27pm
- MCos
  
  To me the real problem with this National talking point, which Luxon has latches on to, is that it unfairly gives the perception that solo mothers who are beneficiaries are the cause of the measles epidemic.
  
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  November 5, 2019 9:18am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Luxton at present is just following the line his Leader is promoting. All newby National candidates are expected not to push their own personal wheelbarrows publicly. When they get more experienced they will contribute to joint policy formation which the Party will promote. Luxton’s personal views will have been soundly tested during the pre-selection meetings.
    
    That’s why national shows experience and soundness not a disparate rag-tailed bag of socialist ideologues all with different misunderstandings–useless as decision makers.
    ☑️☑️
    
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    November 5, 2019 2:51pm
- chaos
  
  The problem apparently wasn’t unvaccinated kids, it was teenagers and adults who had one vaccination and were never followed up for their second.
  
  * Anti-vaxxers are not the reason for Auckland’s measles epidemic, an immunisation expert claims.
  “The major problem is there’s a lot of young to mid-life adults walking around who didn’t get fully vaccinated when they were young,” says Immunisation Advisory Centre head and GP Dr Nikki Turner.*
  
  https://www.nowtolove.co.nz/health/body/anti-vaxxers-immunisation-measles-epidemic-likely-nikki-turner-42195
  
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  November 5, 2019 9:24am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    The epidemiological response is “and”. It is both older adults and young children. But the unvaccinated children suffer disproportionately. The major problem is that unvaxxed kids suffer and sometimes die, when herd immunity drops below the threshold required to stop the virus circulating.
    
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    November 5, 2019 5:56pm
- srylands
  
  There are very different groups of people that do not vaccinate their kids. The yummy mummy Kandallah women anti-vaxxers are mostly beyond help. I have met a few. So the best thing to do is limit their influence and stigmatise them. There are probably lots of things that could be tried. Here are three:
  
  1. Require schools to publish a list of unvaccinated kids at the start of each school term. That will put the wind up the yummy mummies. Some of their friends might not be aware of their views on the subject.
  
  2. Get out into South Auckland and do intensive education road shows. Bouncy castles and free sausages for the kids, and lots of pacifc islander and Maori educators to reach out. Do it relentlessly over the summer at every shopping mall, etc. Have nurses on site with the vaccines.
  
  3. Use social media to target teenagers who are not, or under-immunised.
  
  None of that involves financial penalties or welfare recipient bashing. Experts might have other ideas, but I think mine are better than the knee jerk response we are seeing from National.
  
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  November 5, 2019 10:07am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    Yours are good, IMO, but there’s many human-nature-related reasons that The Proverbial Carrot needs a Bit Of Stick in the background… to supplement its attraction.
    
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    November 5, 2019 11:54am
  - chaos
    
    Number 1 is a breach of a persons privacy so won’t happen.
    
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    November 5, 2019 12:49pm
  - david
    
    I suppose that this suggestion presupposes the existence of a national vaccination register so that older people who can’t remember what they had can easily check and also in the event of an outbreak, the unvaccinated can be easily identified and treat3d if necessary.
    
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    November 5, 2019 1:11pm
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      Older people are less likely to get very ill and die. And older people tend not to be measles spreaders. Biology does not play SJW favorites; the fact of the matter is that inbound so-called (economic) ignorant migrants who have never been vaccinated, plus NZ parents who do not vaccinate their kids, either because they are stupid, negligent, idiotic, ill-advised, virtue-signaling, uneducated, misled, lazy or a combo of the above, caused the epidemic.
      
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      November 5, 2019 5:59pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    3 ‘target teenagers ‘ is excellent: show them what measles can do your skin and your popularity, and they will pester their parents about that follow-up vaxx!
    
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    November 5, 2019 1:35pm
- alloytoo
  
  No to the first, yes to the second and third.
  
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  November 5, 2019 10:35am
Captain Mainwaring

“It’s time to move on from the buzzwords, the platitudes and the ideology. We need to make things happen.” Christopher Luxon.
This guy is a breath of fresh air and I predict he will give the CoL the shits, even if he’s just a leader in waiting.
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November 5, 2019 8:22am
- Ian Boag
  
  Obviously a very capable manager who led Air NZ through a period of growth, then quit just as the bottom started to fall out of things. Earnings have plunged this year and the share price is off 30%. He announced he was quitting about the same time as these things happened ….
  
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  November 5, 2019 8:30am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Ian, that wasnt Chippie’s line on Morning Report. You are meant to be pozidiv…it is the nasty National Party that spreads negativity….
    
    You better go and get your orders from your controllers…..
    
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    November 5, 2019 8:37am
    - igm
      
      Hipkins take orders from his unionist mother.
      
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      November 5, 2019 10:30am
    - Ian Boag
      
      I was only saying factual stuff … the earnings plunge was largely externally driven and the share price followed.
      
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      November 5, 2019 2:22pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Maybe he bailed out and floated down safely on his golden parachute…
    
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    November 5, 2019 8:41am
    - sooty
      
      See, it’s all his fault!
      Woke, wee jessie!
      
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      November 5, 2019 9:06am
  - srylands
    
    Well unless the country wakes up and changes some of its wealth destroying public policy settings, New Zealand Inc’s share price relative to the rest of world could well decline by 30 percent over the next 20 years. So if he can help with that, I would be grateful.
    
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    November 5, 2019 10:11am
  - freethinker
    
    So he went out of his own volition on a high when he saw the future – smart guy, inCinderation is unlikely to follow suit, more likely be kicked out on a low.
    
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    November 5, 2019 10:31am
- peterwn
  
  He is in for an amazing experience. The local National Party activists in the form of the selection delegates have given him an overwhelming vote of confidence. He needs to form a close team (his Campaign Committee) but would be spoilt for talent to do this. Jami would be but a minor irritant, those who think he can take the seat against are dreaming. He will be forming relationships among the wider party. His next big test will be the list ranking he is assigned next year, in his case it would be like a performance review.
  He is a risk to Simon’s leadership, but I am sure Simon would put the success of the whole party ahead of his personal ambitions. Like any decent National MP Simon has a respectable fallback position – continuing his legal career.
  Perhaps the National MP’s could make a concession to Chris – requiring him to breathe through his nose for one year only, instead of the usual three years as Kiwi Keith advised newbie MP’s to do.
  
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  November 5, 2019 8:45am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    I actually think that he will be a positive supporter of Simon’s leadership. They will be a great team and Simon will be the better for it going into the election. But in the unlikely event that the CoL gets back in then Simon will be gone and Christopher will take over.
    
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    November 5, 2019 9:10am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      takes a few years in parliament to learn the ropes sufficiently for the big job even for the most skilled candidates.
      
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      November 5, 2019 9:42am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      I concur. If National is elected, there’s a better-than-even chance that Luxon will go straight into Cabinet, as did Steven Joyce in 2008. And if National is elected, there will be little appetite for replacing the current leader.
      
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      November 5, 2019 11:32am
      - david
        
        And remember that Steven Joyce took some years to develop his skills and knowledge in the house. It is not a place for the faint hearted and you can b3 made to look stupid very easily if you do not know or follow the rather arcane rules and procedures. Common sense has a much smaller place inside the beltway than in any other part of general life so it becomes vital that new members become adept at manipulating the rules in a sanguine and vicious way.
        
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        November 5, 2019 3:11pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Luxton hasn’t been tested in the House yet. He’s good enough to gain electorate selection but what’s he like at an extempore 15 minute speech on housing or economic policy? He also needs to be able to gain the confidence of the rest of the National Caucus if he hopes for accelerated advancement.
      I wish him well. He’s yet to discover that politicians are the highest paid social workers in NZ–the job does not suit all nor their family’s.
      
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      November 5, 2019 3:01pm
  - srylands
    
    I think you are jumping ahead. If (and it is a big if) National wins the next election, Simon will be PM and deservedly so. If National loses the most likely scenario is that Chris takes over in 2021.
    
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    November 5, 2019 10:13am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  I’m unsure why it is assumed that this guy will be or can be better than Bridges. So the guy ran Air NZ well. So what? It is an effective monopoly, so it would be extremely surprising if Luxon wasn’t successful in that role. They don’t have any competition.
  
  I like Bridges, he is now very experienced, and is doing extremely well.
  
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  November 5, 2019 11:12am
  - peterwn
    
    Air NZ may be an effective monopoly on the NZ regional routes, but it is in a competitive market on the AKL – WLG – CHC – ZQN corridor and the international routes.
    
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    November 5, 2019 12:11pm
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      peter
      It is a national carrier, with the taxpayer owning 50%+ of the shares. My point is that it is hardly a private enterprise, and is insulated from competition to a very large extent.
      
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      November 5, 2019 12:47pm
Maggie Pie

How DARE you –

This tweet i just got is sooo worth sharing with the group – the comments are OUTRAGEOUS! 😛

https://twitter.com/i_D/status/1190334860260495361
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November 5, 2019 8:23am
- cmm
  
  Well Greta just ran her colours up the flagpole.
  
  De Caprio has a private jet and uses it to fly halfway around the world to pick up an eco-smug award.
  
  If she’s prepared to sit and smile with him that says a lot.
  
  But, hey, she knows what side her bread is buttered on. She recently turned down an award, probably because it only came with $80k. Pretty insulting!
  
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  November 5, 2019 8:38am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    If Greta’s parents play their cards right, she and they can be on the gravy train for life.
    I am sure that some youth NGO will pay generously to have Greta as their figurehead.
    
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    November 5, 2019 8:42am
    - cmm
      
      IF even a tenth of what has been said is true, Greta’s whole family is already set for life even if they don’t make a single penny more.
      
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      November 5, 2019 8:57am
    - chaos
      
      They are set for life gravy train will end shortly.
      
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      November 5, 2019 9:48am
    - Straight arrow
      
      That is only another 11 years…
      
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      November 5, 2019 10:17am
  - stephieboy
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    cmm, you appear to be coy about the South African victory in the World cup and especially their Captain which is as they are saying is truly symbolic of the great strides the nation has made since the end of apartheid !
    
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    November 5, 2019 8:43am
    - igm
      
      You are a fool . . . their economy is totally and completely fucked, along with their law and order.
      They will be worse than Rhodesia (I refuse to recognise Zimbabwe) in no time, and this is thanks to imbeciles that think like you.
      
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      November 5, 2019 9:01am
      - Batman
        
        Do you also wear a safari suit when you go into the outdoors? ?
        
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        November 5, 2019 9:05am
      - sooty
        
        You have caught it bad, batman. You had better go and have a lie down?
        
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        November 5, 2019 9:11am
      - Batman
        
        I agree that Zimbabwe is fucked, but refusing to call it by its name and going with Rhodesia is bloody hilarious!
        
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        November 5, 2019 9:33am
      - tf78
        
        We had a Rhodesian Ridgeback not a Zimbabwean Ridgeback.
        
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        November 5, 2019 9:44am
      - cmm
        
        Quite.
        
        After a RWC win you would expect South Africa to be in party mood for a few weeks – maybe even the rest of the year, but it didn’t last past the week end.
        
        South Africa is subdued and gloomy at the moment thanks to the crap economy -the growth numbers (less than 1% when 5%+ is needed), the debt numbers, the unemployment numbers (29% official – about 40% real) and a Moody’s downgrade on Friday has been a huge reality check.
        
        Moody’s have given South Africa until February to improve things or they go to junk status.
        
        On top of that agriculture is down, food prices going up, etc etc.
        
        But we’ve got the vote and better LGBTQz rights since 30 years ago so everything is sweet!
        
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        November 5, 2019 9:48am
      - stephieboy
        
        cmm and co , whatever! However, there is no question of going back to the “good old days ” of apartheid, yes?
        
        https://images.app.goo.gl/LohsxWoDQnRr1sdm7
        
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        November 5, 2019 10:16am
      - cmm
        
        stephie:
        
        So ruining a country and inflicting hardship on a hundred million or so people is, to you, “whatever”?
        
        That is the problem with the commies that you shill for: they murder, they destroy, they create hardship, but, “whatever”.
        
        People like you enable them.
        
        What happened to your assertion that everything was much better? It blew away with just the slightest inspection.
        
        Who is talking about apartheid? Apartheid was broken in many ways but at least functional. The new order is broken in more ways and not functional.
        
        Go ask people in South Africa if they’d rather eat or have the vote. I’m guessing most will want to eat since people try to eat every day, yet less than 50% try to vote.
        
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        November 5, 2019 12:25pm
    - Tauhei Notts
      
      The Poms played like rabbits because they had the Kalisi virus.
      
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      November 5, 2019 9:09am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Are you trolling here, stephieboy?
      
      You do realise this thread has nothing to do with rugby or South Africa, don’t you?
      
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      November 5, 2019 9:09am
      - sooty
        
        Did you have to go and spoil it, Maggy!
        
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        November 5, 2019 9:13am
      - DILLIGAF
        
        Well, yet.
        -to be fair, it is the general debate…
        
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        November 5, 2019 9:14am
      - stephieboy
        
        MW, this tread is named General Debate and not tailored to suit and meet your tastes!
        
        [Mod: Nor yours stephieboy, so stop the harrassment]
        
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        November 5, 2019 10:19am
      - cmm
        
        This particular thread within GD was about the tweet about Greta – nothing to do with rugby, South Africa etc.
        
        If you want to start babbling about something else then start a new thread, don’t start ranting into an existing thread.
        
        That is the correct way to do GD.
        
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        November 5, 2019 12:29pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I’m aware this is General Debate.
        I ‘m also aware of how nested comments work in a thread.
        I’m also aware of our host’s Comments Policy:
        
        Trolling I define as an attempt to deliberately disrupt a conversation by being grossly offensive or massively off topic. …..Comments on a post should be a response to the topic of the post. While some thread drift is inevitable, do not try to divert the thread into another topic.
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/comments_policy
        
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        November 5, 2019 12:49pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Interesting to hear the sports guy on ZB last night describe the Spring Box captain as…. ‘colored’. Doesn’t he know black is not a color?
      You’d agree with that, wouldn’t you stephieboy?
      
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      November 5, 2019 9:10am
      - cmm
        
        In South Africa “coloured” means mixed race – a member of that melting pot of Koi San, whites, Malayan slaves, a hint of nguni and everything else that floats through a sea port like Cape Town. They are mainly Afrikaans speaking.
        
        Kolisi is Xhosa – not a coloured at all.
        
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        November 5, 2019 10:47am
    - cmm
      
      stephie: I have never been a rugby watcher and even as a kid I would nominally support the ALl Blacks just to wind people up.
      
      Siya Kolisi’s race is only symbolic to racists.
      
      When it comes to politicians, rugby players or doctors and engineers I don’t care about the colour of their skin or what they have in their pants or what they do with what they have in their pants. I care about competence. If he was the best for the job, then give him the job.
      
      I actually feel sorry for Siya Kolisi because race played a part in his selection. For all I know he might be the best rugby captain ever, but because he was given a racial boost he will always be known as the first black RWC captain. He was never allowed to compete on a level playing field.
      
      The greats stride that nation has made in the last 25 years? Which strides would those be?
      
      South Africa is stuffed and is on a trajectory to getting far worse. By every measure, South Africa is way worse than it was 30 years ago: currency down, crime up, unemployment up, education down, infrastructure down, corruption up, hospitals down, government services down, tax up.
      
      Those matter far less than being able to vote and I can prove that: less than 50% of South Africans bother to vote, so clearly voting is not of value to South Africans.
      
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      November 5, 2019 9:19am
      - Scott
        
        Agree with cmm. Their rugby team is good and the captain seems a fine fellow.
        But south African expats in our church talk about the chaos there and the crime. It’s happening in daytime, car jacking and mugging and robbery and murder even.
        There has been a break down of law and order. We don’t hear much about it here and if it happens it’s still blamed on apartheid.
        South Africa appears to be on a course to become a 3rd world country. Is there any African country that is well governed?
        
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        November 5, 2019 9:30am
      - srylands
        
        “Is there any African country that is well governed?”
        
        Botswana. It is stable, and has gone from a desperately poor country to a “middle income” country in the last 40 years. It has per capita GDP three times that of South Africa.
        
        And why? Because it is well governed. Simple as that. It is the least corrupt country in Africa.
        
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        November 5, 2019 10:35am
      - cmm
        
        Scott, Ethiopia must be wonderful because it was never colonised.
        
        Side note: Ethiopia was occupied by the Italians for a short while, but that’s not colonisation unless you want to argue that France was colonised by Germany during WW2.
        
        Yup, in NZ you’d struggle to find, and actually meet, someone who has been robbed at gunpoint or know someone that has been murdered etc.
        
        In South Africa everyone can tell you stories of things that happened to them personally, or to family members/friends etc.
        
        In my case:
        * Two of the kids I played with as a child got done for murder in their later years. One was a cop.
        * Numerous friends of my family have been murdered on farms.
        * My mother and sister in law have been robbed at gunpoint.
        * Numerous robberies, muggings etc.
        * My cousin’s husband was abducted, beaten up, and left for dead in a ditch and had his car etc stolen.
        etc etc etc
        
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        November 5, 2019 11:00am
      - cmm
        
        sryland:
        
        Botswana might be good relative to most of Africa but it is not really good. eg. Unemployment is around 20%.
        
        Botswana is indeed well run in many ways but that depends on three major factors:
        1) Low urbanisation. Rural people are largely living on subsistence agriculture supplemented by mining income which does not require much Western technology etc (except in the mines). Those people are also generally low-end consumers with low expectations.
        2) Their population is low and their income from mining is relatively high. Thus they can afford to live a frugal but comfortable lifestyle with little tax revenue from income tax etc.
        3) They have South Africa providing them with infrastructure (ports, roads, etc), electricity (70%) and skilled people. Thus, no expensive infrastructure to build, service etc.
        
        If/when South Africa falls down, so does Botswana.
        
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        November 5, 2019 12:46pm
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      If the race of the captain contributed to the win, surely the race of the coach did too, probably even more so. I don’t think either of those is actually the case but you don’t get to cherry pick.
      
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      November 5, 2019 9:25am
    - kevn
      
      @septicboys…. The murdered SA farmers driven off their land are not a good benchmark for success are they?
      
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      November 5, 2019 9:45am
    - srylands
      
      “the great strides the nation has made since the end of apartheid”
      
      Apartheid was an awful system. However now that they have “democracy” the economy, legal, and other institutional settings are in free fall. Like almost every other African nation it is being destroyed by corruption and envy. Can you be specific about these great strides?
      
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      November 5, 2019 10:28am
    - freethinker
      
      Those strides are towards – massive power cuts (check out Escom), food shortages as they confiscate land and evict efficient farmers and then violence . You can take the natives out of the jungle but you cant take the jungle out of the natives.
      
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      November 5, 2019 10:35am
    - Greg Ettridge
      
      Well lets go the whole hog, include in quota’s gender neutral persons and woman in the mix, maybe they will end up with having a quota of whites when they have all gone to greener pastures.
      I would be intrigued to know how much ethincity ones needs to have to be considered “of colour”
      Australia gave up its best Rugby player for believing in his God.
      People should be chosen on their ability not their ancestral background or beliefs.
      Please inform me of the homocide rate in South Africa, they seem to be the best in the world, in fact number 1 at that. I just live in hope people such as yourself don’t achieve your completely deranged Nirvanas, or we are going to hell in a hand basket.
      Stephie, been to South Africa and walked around the no go areas. I have several times, it is much worse now than it was when Mandela took power.
      Reverse racism doesn’t fix the problem.
      Just a corrupt racist country that is spiralling out of control.
      
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      November 5, 2019 11:29am
  - srylands
    
    I predict that Greta will fade away quickly. As will the student climate strikes.
    
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    November 5, 2019 8:54am
- rightoverlabour
  
  I don’t use twitter but I figured these two….
  
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  November 5, 2019 10:02pm
Simon

With this Jinpong Xi shit head you just know as he gets older the worst it will be.

If Xi starts to lose his marbles what hoops the CCP suckers ups will have to jump through for a few bronze coins.

Massey & Wellington univ everyone in a Mao suit.
MSM, MPs, business people all in Mao suits.

You want money from China. You put on Mao suit honor great man Xi. Show you humble supporter. Show your place. Your Mao suit must have no pockets though!! Then you get a few coins.
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November 5, 2019 8:27am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  If Xi loses his marbles look out he will try to invade Taiwan and then the brown stuff hits the revolving metal.
  
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  November 5, 2019 10:33am
surfing

https://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/225640-disbelief-at-court-of-appeal-rma-ruling.html

Councils can now create marine reserves.

The issue is that councils are partly controlled by the maori. And maori hate anyone doing anything in ‘their region’. I’m sure the ban won’t apply to maori special quotas.

I can see a bunch of maori around the country getting their councils to create marine reserves to block out the outsiders. As happened in this case.
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November 5, 2019 8:34am
Simon

Massey Univ a CCP converged dumpster fire.
Oh so important Massy Univ for the Chinese market.

The only reason Chinese students get a chicken shit degree from Masey Uivn is for immigration reasons.

Make Massey a CCP safe place but quid pro quo for this government department. Massey degree doesnt give you any immigration points. Everyone happy. Right?
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November 5, 2019 8:38am
slightlyrighty

Re Winston Peters…

If your party has had the same leader for 26 years, it’s not a party. It’s a Personality Cult.
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November 5, 2019 8:43am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  It’s his party and he’ll lie if he want’s to.
  
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  November 5, 2019 9:20am
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Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
A letter to the Herald yesterday made interesting comments about the Tiger Tank elephantine like utes that chew up our gas and roads.funeral black a popular colour of choice .

It seems most of these Hi Luxes, Rangers, Navaras etc are there to massge the egos of the owners and more a symbol of blokedom. Maybe Freud would of thought of them as illusory penises too .

These lumbering utes seem to carry nothing in the way of tools of trade or the such like.

Whats going on?
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November 5, 2019 8:51am
- Rich Prick
  
  They tow kick-arse boats rather well.
  
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  November 5, 2019 9:23am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  As an owner of a ‘lumbering ute’ of the sort that you describe, the word ‘ute’ is derived from ‘utility vehicle’. I will happily admit that part of the purchase was related to aesthetics, but my wife has a hobby of purchasing and restoring old furniture, and my ute comes in very handy when picking up a dining suite or sideboard. It’s also a very useful towing vehicle, ask my local wheelchair basketball club when I take their trailer through to nationals and regional competitions.
  Incidentally, a well maintained diesel ute is quite economical.
  Yes, mines black! What’s wrong with being black? You sound racist!
  
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  November 5, 2019 9:27am
- JibberJabber
  
  How would you know what the tools of a trade would look like,?
  I seriously doubt that you have ever used a tool or worked up a sweat to earn a dollar in your pathetic life.
  
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  November 5, 2019 9:30am
- Sacha
  
  I had a ride in a Raptor V8 recently.
  Without the muffler.
  It was awesome.
  The only difficulty was that I had to climb up to get into it. But it hauled several tonnes of hay with no trouble.
  
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  November 5, 2019 9:42am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  “Whats going on?”
  
  It’s a free world is what’s going on. If these vehicles don’t appeal to you then don’t buy one.
  
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  November 5, 2019 9:42am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Captain, what Stephie and the numpty who wrote the letter haven’t realised, is that it is not selfish suburban households buying utes.
    
    If Stephie and the fool who wote the letter did some research (a first I know), they would find:
    1. Most commercial/ute vehicles are owned by companies;
    2. 1. above is because companies use the company car as a means of remuneration their employees. The reason why this is now common, is that utes are classified as commercial and you only need a bit of dignity writing and all the nasty tax on the Fringe benefit is avoided. So, no FBT or GST on the Fringe benefit; and
    3. If the company is also paying for the fuel….
    
    Stephie & co….can sit on the side of our dusty, bumpy country road and eat my dust…as I pass by in my ute..!
    
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    November 5, 2019 10:29am
    - Ed Snack
      
      A surprising number around where I am are privately owned, though how many are also used as work vehicles I can’t tell. They don’t have signs/lettering etc.
      
      But you have nailed one of the major reasons with your point 2, the ease with which one can avoid FBT is a big seller in the commercial market.
      
      Been in quite a few, and driven a couple, and all I can say for a ‘normal” person who very rarely ever needs to transport large and heavy items, my station-wagon is a hugely superior road vehicle.
      
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      November 5, 2019 12:45pm
- Random T Person
  
  Our gas? Only once you’ve bought and paid for it yourself is it your gas. The stuff I’ve paid for, matey, I shall burn as I damn well please.
  
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  November 5, 2019 10:07am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Your task for the day.
  Find me a ute:
  Specs
  Electric power
  1.2 tonne capacity
  3.5 tonne towing
  tough deck, canopy
  prefer, but not necessary, double cab
  Price < $60 000
  Can be 2nd hand
  But not too many Km's on the clock.
  
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  November 5, 2019 10:15am
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    https://www.driven.co.nz/reviews/previews/rivian-rt1-is-the-14-000nm-0-100km-h-in-3sec-ute-of-the-future/
    
    Doesn’t quite come in under your price window however. Only 800 kg in the tray, but it will tow up to 5 tonnes. Dunno what that will do to battery endurance though. Production scheduled to start next year.
    
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    November 5, 2019 3:19pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      So no then
      Production is due to start in late 2020 at the company’s plant in Illinois.
      
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      November 5, 2019 6:00pm
      - Right of way is Way of Right
        
        Yes, very much a ‘no’, but also a case of ‘close, but no cigar!’ Do like the skateboard chassis though. Hope they do something about that front end, looks a bit naff.
        Thet tube storage behind the back seats ideal for golf clubs!
        
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        November 5, 2019 9:29pm
- Colville
  
  Tax deductability is a large part of the answer.
  As a contractor you can have a van or a ute.. Put your gear in it and do your job.. Both OK for tax reasons… But the ute drives better.. You can put the kids in it… Take it hunting or to the beach… So utes win.
  
  Way to tell your builder is overcharging? He is driving a new Amrok… $90k and are in the shop half the time.
  
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  November 5, 2019 10:21am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Amarok V6 TDi is that price, the standard 2.0TDi is a lot less. Of all the “utes” I’ve been in or driven, the Amarok is the clear winner on road.
    
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    November 5, 2019 12:47pm
- mark15
  
  I’ve got a navarra.
  Better on fuel than my honda civic.
  I’ve used it for 1 dump run when I trimmed a tree.
  Off to the gulag for me…
  
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  November 5, 2019 10:21am
- freethinker
  
  In a word – Choice – which is a Capitalist freedom – Stephie you may prefer N Korea and I am sure we can crowd fund your one way ticket.
  
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  November 5, 2019 10:38am
- igm
  
  They are not designed for left-wing wimps such as you.
  
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  November 5, 2019 10:43am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Hi Luxes, Rangers, Navaras are kick arse, I pissed myself laughing, you do live a protected little world. These are not a kick arses utes bootlace.
  I would spend 4 months a year not going a large proportion of farm without a “kick arse ute”. I do get down to a four wheeler only when its really wet.
  Stephie, Get out in the bush and see how life really works.
  Doesn’t massage my ego as no one here to watch me thank god, it does what it what it was purchased for, to get me to places a “non kick arse vehicle” won’t get me to.
  I take the Landrover to town which definetly not kick arse, except for my wallet.
  
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  November 5, 2019 11:43am
Maggie Pie

As shocked as i was last week when Mark Richardson outed fill-in Breakfast host Ryan Bridge as being ‘gay’ – is there anyone else like me that thinks he still does a far better job as Presenter, than Duncan Garner does anyway?

Just saying.
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November 5, 2019 8:53am
- sooty
  
  Is Duncan Garner gay as well? Well I never!
  They are everywhere!
  
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  November 5, 2019 9:18am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Garner is awful. He thinks he is a man of the people but actually he’s just a mouth with nothing behind it. Similar to Winston Peters but with 40 fewer IQ points and a national TV show.
  
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  November 5, 2019 9:31am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Just learned today
    Garner has 3 daughters, we hear a lot about his son, see his son, how he takes his son on expensive holidays. His daughters….nothing.
    YET they call Trump a misogynist? Who has (I think) appointed more women to important positions than Obama.
    
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    November 5, 2019 9:56am
    - Greg Ettridge
      
      I took one of Sydney’s leading news readers on a tour years ago.
      He had a wife and four children, but had left them for another guy.
      Both were nice guys, didn’t flaunt themselves, everyone to their own preferences I guess.
      
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      November 5, 2019 12:05pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Hm, hard to respect anyone who leaves a spouse and 4 children for another person, male or female. Vows of marriage mean something, and responsibility for children means even more.
        
        But context and age of children could change my mind a bit.
        
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        November 5, 2019 1:56pm
- JibberJabber
  
  This morning Garner and his terminally dim side kick Gillies were talking about someone called Luxton, any idea what they were on about?
  
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  November 5, 2019 9:32am
  - lifesgood
    
    He is of the same political persuasion as John Keys
    
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    November 5, 2019 9:56am
  - Jules99
    
    Quality journalism. /sarc
    
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    November 5, 2019 12:46pm
- Steve Todd
  
  Absolutely agree, Maggie.
  
  Ryan Bridge has the great attribute of speaking at a normal “rate of knots”. Duncan Garner cannot pull-off the seeming commercial-radio requirement of speaking at nineteen-to-the-dozen, the way Mike Hosking does, because he does not possess Hosking’s clear, crisp-sounding, voice. Nor does he possess Hosking’s command of the issues.
  
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  November 5, 2019 11:02am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Exactly ST! Duncan’s radio persona is that of a nervous ‘speed-dater’.
    The Hawkesby/Hosking morning combo is a joy to listen to.
    
    [Now, if only ZB would get rid of those two morons doing noon – 4]
    
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    November 5, 2019 11:24am
    - Steve Todd
      
      Re. the noon-to-4 slot; again, I agree. That particular double-act has failed to fire. Loosehead Len needs to go, I say.
      
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      November 5, 2019 12:51pm
Batman

Hah!

https://thehill.com/policy/international/europe/468886-ukraine-to-fire-prosecutor-who-led-investigations-into-company
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November 5, 2019 9:03am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Must be the ‘deep state’ interfering with Guiliani’s totally legit investigations in Ukraine.
  
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  November 5, 2019 11:22am
- All_on_Red
  
  Ha ha ha
  ‘Hunter Biden and his Ukrainian gas firm colleagues had multiple contacts with the Obama State Department during the 2016 election cycle, including one just a month before Vice President Joe Biden forced Ukraine to fire the prosecutor (Shokin) investigating his son’s company for corruption, newly released memos show.
  
  During that February 2016 contact, a U.S. representative for Burisma Holdings sought a meeting with Undersecretary of State Catherine A. Novelli to discuss ending the corruption allegations against the Ukrainian firm where Hunter Biden worked as a board member, according to memos obtained under a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit.
  Just three weeks before Burisma’s overture to State, Ukrainian authorities raided the home of the oligarch who owned the gas firm and employed Hunter Biden, a signal the long-running corruption probe was escalating in the middle of the U.S. presidential election.
  
  Hunter Biden’s name, in fact, was specifically invoked by the Burisma representative as a reason the State Department should help, according to a series of email exchanges among U.S. officials trying to arrange the meeting. The subject line for the email exchanges read simply “Burisma.”
  
  “Per our conversation, Karen Tramontano of Blue Star Strategies requested a meeting to discuss with U/S Novelli USG remarks alleging Burisma (Ukrainian energy company) of corruption,” a Feb. 24, 2016, email between State officials read. “She noted that two high profile U.S. citizens are affiliated with the company (including Hunter Biden as a board member).’
  https://johnsolomonreports.com/hunter-bidens-ukraine-gas-firm-pressed-obama-administration-to-end-corruption-allegations-memos-show/
  
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  November 5, 2019 2:52pm
Yvette

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern’s quick-fire achievement video goes global
Among her achievements she spoke about the 140 million trees that were planted.

As opposed to addressing the UN Climate Change Committee and telling them
“150 million trees are in the ground”

How about, in either case, telling anyone how many trees, in the same span of time, have commercial Forestry chopped down.
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November 5, 2019 9:07am
- chaos
  
  No mention of her achievements of covering up rape and sexual abuse? The growing unemployment and list of people waiting for social housing? The growing number of people missing out of elective operations because the hospitals haven’t got the funding? The roads that had funding to repair that have had it taken away for a train set?
  
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  November 5, 2019 9:28am
- rockape
  
  How many of those trees get thinned out and do they still count then?
  
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  November 5, 2019 9:44am
  - sooty
    
    What about when they are muched.
    
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    November 5, 2019 3:53pm
- cut n paster
  
  Still a stupid little giggly girl, making it up on the fly, twisting the statistics to suit.
  Not an interview but a banal advertorial. The arrogance of her to crow how successful she has been for New Zealand is totally delusional.
  I also see it is no longer listed amongst the most popular stories on Stuff.
  Ol’ Choppers is BIG in Aussie, Pakistan and Zimbabwe, where they are whipping themselves into a froth over this propaganda.
  The lies are now of global proportion…. The Empress has no clothes – RESIGN.
  
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  November 5, 2019 10:54am
  - Drone
    
    The reality in todays world is that politicians can say anything they want and not be challenged, and even when challenged they can obfuscate. The question (whatever it may be) the interviewer asks remains as the advertising slogan the answer can be as evasive as the politician can make it. I recently watched a Boris Johnson interview where he effectively disagreed with something Trump had said about trade agreements, what do I believe or is it all fantasy. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-brexit-deal-trump-interview-farage-general-election-latest-a9182916.html
    
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    November 5, 2019 2:53pm
BeaB

Stuff seems to have changed its headline this morning, from the NZ export ‘you’ve never heard of’. Perhaps they realised that just because Jacinda had never heard of placenta cream it doesn’t mean the rest of us are ignorant too.
For years I have bought pots of the cream to take as gifts for hosts in Asia.
How could she not have noticed it in our souvenir shops?
And surely the Queen 0f Glib could have done some off-the-cuff blah blah about our clean green air and pastures. Not hard.
Instead she made herself look stupid and made fun of a good NZ export.
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November 5, 2019 9:13am
- tf78
  
  I read somewhere this morning that Jacinda actually took some of the cream with her – it doesn’t add up with her ignorance of the product.
  
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  November 5, 2019 10:45am
  - sooty
    
    Well she should have bought a bucket of the stuff, because it ain’t working!
    
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    November 5, 2019 11:45am
- cmm
  
  Remember when she did the mad shopping rush to get a gift for Merkel and ended up with a stuffed Kiwi and Merkel ended up with a “wtf can I do with this thing?” look on her face?
  
  Perhaps Merkel would have preferred a jar of placenta balm.
  
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  November 5, 2019 11:11am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    A 10 litre pail that would be required for Merkel, was too difficult to get into the overhead lockers . . . .
    
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    November 5, 2019 12:59pm
sooty

When is Cindy back?
Do they have to meet to hand over the batten?
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November 5, 2019 9:19am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Still in the duty free shop?
  
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  November 5, 2019 9:51am
  - Fletch
    
    Buying placenta cream…
    
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    November 5, 2019 11:47am
Ruahine

Behold people. For I have spoke and madeth a truth.
It has been done. 40 million trees.
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November 5, 2019 9:21am
Maggie Pie

I would just like to go on record and confirm i am not part of any anti-waxxer movement.
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November 5, 2019 9:33am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Way more info. that I needed girl.
  
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  November 5, 2019 9:51am
- chaos
  
  Hmmm, that doesn’t explain the *Bush For President* pin you are wearing then.
  
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  November 5, 2019 9:54am
- Pateke
  
  Vaxxed but unwaxxed for me.
  
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  November 5, 2019 10:02am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  But is it worth sacrificing proprioception for a smooth epidermis?
  (and dare I turn up at the pool with hairy legs?)
  
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  November 5, 2019 10:21am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    One thing i have learned, there is no such thing as a ‘cheap Brazilian’.
    It was just a rip-off.
    
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    November 5, 2019 11:07am
- cut n paster
  
  Hair! Hair!
  
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  November 5, 2019 12:00pm
RW Capitalist

NOTE:
It has started already.
Luxton only got the nomination for Botany last night and on the AM show they were trying to set up questions about a leadership challenge.
So predictable….he dodged them and batted them away expertly.
I know, no one in the National caucus can say this.
But I can.
Isn’t it great, that in the National party they can find at least half a dozen potential PM’s, even the newby. But the CoL is still looking for one. Mean time trying to dress the current occupier of the chair, as a real PM.
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November 5, 2019 9:50am
- hullkiwi
  
  Yes, but what amazes me is that these diots with their tupid questions don’t realise is, that Luxon must first get elected. The election is still 10 months away!
  
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  November 5, 2019 11:30am
  - peterwn
    
    His main opponent’s supporters would easily fit in a phone box. JLR is just a minor irritant who will be off to the WINZ office three months after the next election.
    
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    November 5, 2019 1:54pm
- mandk
  
  Yes, but was Luxon ever a counter assistant in a fish and chip shop?
  
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  November 5, 2019 11:34am
- sooty
  
  They won’t even let the next in line at Labour answer the questions in the house!
  That carpark puddle coming back to bit their arse!
  
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  November 5, 2019 11:50am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  His name is LUXON, FFS.
  
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  November 5, 2019 12:21pm
DJ Ward

Yesterday I found myself facing the stupidity of our health system.
I suffer from Bipolar Spectrum Disorder. My very rare version has 2 states, continuous sever suicidal depression or psychosis. on medication I experience depression with episodes of suicidal thoughts. I live my life with it so have strategies to cope.
I have just run out of my medication and are out of town and cant get to my doctor. I went to a walk in clinic to get at least a temporary prescription but I was refused treatment. Apparently the clinic was for accidents and emergencies. the result is someone with a headache can get treatment and medication but I cannot. My meds are to serous to prescribe and medical files cant be shared without my written consent. I was standing in front of them asking so consent? Everything was confirmed by calling my doctor and pharmacy but policy still got in the way.

Fuck you Health System.
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November 5, 2019 9:54am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Don’t run out of hope. I’ve become more depressed over the last couple of years bc of this authoritarian, race-obsessed government. It was particularly bad when the CoL wanted to steal my retirement funds through CGT. Most of my friends are incurable ‘woke’ lefties with state-funded jobs, with whom I can’t even discuss politics anymore. They see it as ‘right wing’ these days to simply believe in equal rights for everyone without constantly calculating who has it worst on the victim pyramid due to race, sexuality or gender.
  
  Sometimes KB seems the only place to meet a few sane people who know what it means to run a small business and try to hang on to one’s retirement savings.
  
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  November 5, 2019 2:09pm
Prince

Had to laugh at Katie Bradford’s report from the Botany selection meeting last night on Q&A.
‘We are in a secret party meeting room…’
So what is the secret ? The meeting that was widely publicised and reported by TV, Radio and Print media ? Was the room disguised as a broom cupboard ?
Or was she just desperate to create the impression that a vote from 60 delegates, following speeches and Q&A from all the candidates, was somehow secretive !
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November 5, 2019 10:15am
- sooty
  
  If it was secret national shit, how the hell would she get in the door, been a labour hack?
  
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  November 5, 2019 11:54am
Captain Mainwaring

Just heard Jami-Lee Ross saying that Botany is the most marginal electorate in the country and that Luxon has a fight on his hands.
Is there no limit to this clown’s opinion of himself?
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November 5, 2019 10:17am
- chaos
  
  Sounds like his cheese has still slipped off this cracker.
  
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  November 5, 2019 10:20am
- Rich Prick
  
  To be fair, he isn’t well.
  
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  November 5, 2019 10:34am
  - igm
    
    He is now one of Winston’t close confidants . . . both liars and losers.
    
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    November 5, 2019 11:17am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Crazy of Winnie to trust that guy.
      
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      November 5, 2019 2:10pm
- chaos
  
  Had to laugh, on the radio Jami said he and Luxon have a different set of beliefs. Yeah, Luxon hasn’t had multiple affairs or had orders in parliament to stop him going near certain woman.
  
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  November 5, 2019 12:34pm
marcw

Scoldilocks needs to keep up the protests. Whatever she is doing, the result is causing a wonderfully effective drop in average temperatures in Christchurch, continuing the 5 year trend downwards.

Christchurch International Airport average temperatures for November:

2010 10.54°C
2011 10.72
2012 10.38
2013 11.59
2014 10.76
2015 11.70
2016 11.48
2017 11.39
2018 10.85
2019 10.32 (the lowest in the 10 year period)

Average: 10.97°C
2019 Rainfall = 62mm (Av. = 54mm)

Well done Greta, your personal top 1% carbon footprint and all that coal and natural gas Sweden uses to generate it’s total primary energy supply is keeping us cool.
[Sweden 2018 figures: Coal, peat, oil & gas – 29.7%; Nuclear – 33%; Renewable – 37.2%]
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November 5, 2019 10:25am
- marcw
  
  Sorry, these figures are of course for October – I’m not a fortune teller and don’t ask me for the winner of the 2019 Melbourne Cup.
  
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  November 5, 2019 10:36am
- cmm
  
  Once NIWA had thrown their (our) supercomputer at it to crunch the numbers, they told us that the 2000-2009 decade was 0.1 degree hotter than the 1990 to 1999 decade in NZ.
  
  A whole tenth of a degree!
  
  If Canterbury had had two less Nor’westers and one more snow storm that decade the result would have been cooling.
  
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  November 5, 2019 11:18am
  - All_on_Red
    
    0.10!
    Meh, the margin of error just from reading the measurements on the Stevenson Screen are around 0.5+
    #Metrology.
    
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    November 5, 2019 11:53am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      And those screens have gotten smaller too–from 230L to 60L. Is the one at CHCH airport protected from the jet blasts?
      
      P.S. You could pick up the 1/10 degree by leaving the city and going to Kaiapoi or put the thermometer another 1m off the ground.
      
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  - rightoverlabour
    
    Average temperatures are in some respects meaningless. Unless one can guarantee that the recording station has not been altered in anyway, and that the surrounding area is essentially exactly the same as when it was built, any number of factors could affect the temperature readings. 0.1°C is virtually unmeasurable using traditional thermometers. In think there are 8 stations in Antarctica, and supposedly these give the “average” temperature of that continent. Maybe The Greta could go and put a few more in….
    
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    November 5, 2019 2:10pm
    - cmm
      
      Correct
      
      And pretty much everything has changed.
      
      Many long term measurements have been taken at airports because temperature is needed to calculate max take-off weight and pilots have wanted met data.
      
      70 years ago most airports where small strips in a huge grassy paddock. SFO was a dirt runway in a cow pasture. Now they are huge expanses of concrete and asphalt with airconditioned buildings cranking out heat. How are those ever going to be comparable?
      
      Even in agricultural paddocks, modern grasing methods tend to grow shorter grass with a warmer microclimate – can’t compare them.
      
      In many places stations have moved by many km.
      
      Basically, it is mumbo-jumbo and not science.
      
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      November 5, 2019 4:08pm
- stephieboy
  
  marcw, all Sweden has to do is keep those renewables on the up and up at the expense of fossil fuels.
  
  What about visiting your share and investment advsier and putting your surplas cash into Murry Energy holdings or equivalent?,
  
  https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-29/biggest-private-coal-miner-goes-bust-after-trump-rescue-fails
  
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  November 5, 2019 2:21pm
  - Inandout
    
    This must be orgasmic news to you stephie.
    
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    November 5, 2019 2:51pm
Maggy Wassilieff

USA Serves Notice to Quit Climate Accord:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50297029

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/04/donald-trump-climate-crisis-exit-paris-agreement
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November 5, 2019 10:31am
- tf78
  
  I asked Paul Goldsmith a couple of months ago whether the Nats would pull out of it – he said we would follow our allies, so here’s hoping.
  
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  November 5, 2019 10:47am
  - sooty
    
    Labour allies are different than Nationals!
    
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    November 5, 2019 11:57am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Yep! PTPM called Trump a professional arsehole, then wonders why she got the cold shoulder in NY, and Oz got the red carpet treatment. SLG
      
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      November 5, 2019 5:30pm
  - MCos
    
    ‘we would follow our allies‘
    
    NZ, & National in particular, is not know for thinking for ourselves.
    Maybe our flag referendum should have been held in America.
    
    We don’t even entrust our own people to be our Head of State.
    
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    November 5, 2019 12:39pm
  - stephieboy
    
    “..we would follow our allies..” ??
    
    Like playing tarriff wars?
    
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    November 5, 2019 2:23pm
    - Jack5
      
      Roster change again at ? Stephiestani Trolls Ltd. Drop in standard of grammar and spelling.
      
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      November 5, 2019 5:39pm
- stephieboy
  
  MW, and the US encourged to invest in bust coal mines ,
  
  https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-29/biggest-private-coal-miner-goes-bust-after-trump-rescue-fails
  
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  November 5, 2019 2:22pm
JibberJabber

This is the kind of real humour that the Left just can`t comprehend,
https://twitter.com/seanmdav/status/1191457169243299841
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November 5, 2019 10:46am
- MCos
  
  Don’t understand
  
  Does that make me a ‘left winger‘?
  
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  November 5, 2019 11:34am
- Fletch
  
  LOL. Trump even managed to fit in a Biden feel-up… ?
  
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  November 5, 2019 11:41am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The left are born without a sense of humour, and it is impossible for them to gain one.
  
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  November 5, 2019 5:33pm
Komata

A RECORD FOR ‘MODERATION’?

I posted a comment on GD @2044 last night 94/11/19), and, ass expected received the message thgat it was ‘Awaiting Moderation’.

I checked back at 0607 this morning (5/11/19) to find that it was still in that state!!

Checking at 0730 showed that it had been ‘approved’ and was now on ‘Public Display’.

Is a nearly ten hour wait for ‘Moderation’ a record, and should we perhaps start a competition to see who has had to wait the longest to date?

Mods’ I’m sure you can do better…

Thanks.
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November 5, 2019 11:23am
Fletch

Powerful oral submission on the abortion bill by a NZ doctor, Dr Andreas Leinfellner, and his wife. (4 mins 30 length).

https://www.facebook.com/bob.mccoskrie/videos/10220874174702824/
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November 5, 2019 11:57am
Fletch

Email from YouShop –

We recently got in touch to let you know about some upcoming policy changes from the New Zealand Government that will affect your YouShop experience.

From 1 December 2019, all items purchased from overseas and shipped to your YouShop address will have 15% Goods & Services Tax (GST) applied. GST will be charged on the total value of the goods and YouShop services purchased.

****** Govt and their ‘Amazon tax’ ?
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November 5, 2019 1:02pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  OK so long as we don’t have to pay the Customs and other excessive charges on arrival. GST I can claim back but Customs charges can’t be absorbed as costs–they would substantially increase retail prices.
  
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  November 5, 2019 4:02pm
Cobolt24

Flood of Oil Is Coming | New York Times

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/03/business/energy-environment/oil-supply.html
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November 5, 2019 1:12pm
- stephieboy
  
  With offshore and Alaska artic oil losing out bigly with deprressed oil prices .
  
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  November 5, 2019 2:27pm
  - Inandout
    
    Oh good stephie, then our princess will order our fuel prices to drop.
    
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    November 5, 2019 4:23pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Inandout, a glut of oil is got to be good for everyone including those with their tank utes and V12 engines!
      
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      November 5, 2019 6:30pm
      - sooty
        
        But you will still be paying all the extra tax!
        
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        November 5, 2019 8:56pm
chaos

Only one persons memory is fading them, along with his health.

* Casey put it to Peters on Tuesday that three front-line staff at the Ministry of Social Development (MSD) office in Auckland had all given evidence that Peters visited the office alone.

But the Deputy PM maintained his partner was there.

“Why would they notice Jan? Jan would have been to thousands of meetings where she’s not noticed. This is an extraordinary claim, and desperate if I might say so,” Peters said

“Desperate in what way, Mr Peters?” asked Casey.

“Desperate to try to substantiate a case that does not exist in that context,” Peters replied.

He said the staff members’ memories were failing them and they were “covering their butts”.

“You think they’re covering their butts from what?” said Casey.

“I think some people in this defence are covering their butts and it’s clear as daylight,” said Peters.*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/117167293/winston-peters-witnesses-covering-their-butts-in-legal-battle-with-the-crown
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November 5, 2019 1:20pm
- slightlyrighty
  
  I think that 3 front line staff who have the same story are more believable than the one guy who couldn’t remember if he was in a de facto relationship or not.
  
  I would imagine that the 3 front line workers who met Winston that day would remember it, as he is a person of some note.
  
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  November 5, 2019 3:50pm
chaos

Interesting article. Also interesting that z say one of the things that cost of transport is part of the pricing. Hmmm, so the fuel that is transported an hour out of timaru from timaru port is cheaper than fuel that is transported a few minutes down the road in timaru. Weird.

* The Commerce Commission can find no fault with the pricing of fuel in Timaru as customers pay more at the pump than other nearby places as outlets match each other’s higher prices.

On Tuesday morning, the lowest priced fuel, according to Gaspy, being retailed in Timaru was $2.28 per litre at Caltex on King St while the highest was $2.37 at Z Caroline Bay. Nine of the 13 service stations in the area were retailing fuel at $2.32 per litre.

At the same time fuel at RDP Waimate, about 40 kilometres south of Timaru, was retailing at $2.14 while consumers were paying $2.09 when filling up 91 petrol further south at Allied Glenavy. In other parts of the South Island fuel was as low as $2.03 in Christchurch, $2.09 in Dunedin and Invercargill.*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/116973411/high-identical-fuel-prices-in-timaru-not-breaking-rules
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November 5, 2019 1:26pm
John Warren

I haven’t had time to scan the whole of today’s GD, so maybe this has been covered already. But while Winston sits in court grousing about his impugned integrity and damaged reputation, has he paid back the money yet?
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November 5, 2019 1:50pm
- chaos
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96206826/winston-peters-reveals-superannuation-overpayment
  
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  November 5, 2019 2:19pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Yes Immediately when asked
  
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  November 5, 2019 3:05pm
  - chaos
    
    It’s the only time he has paid back anything he owes
    
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    November 5, 2019 4:18pm
chaos

I think many people would, shock horror, agree with jones with this comment. But alas it is not just the population we should be looking at but the quality of immigrants and refugees being let into the country.

* He told Stuff on Tuesday he was speaking on behalf of “battalions” of “ordinary Kiwis who were highly anxious” about population growth putting stress on state services and infrastructure.*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/117175642/shane-jones-making-no-apology-to-indian-community-for-racist-comments–says-anxious-kiwis-want-national-population-policy
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November 5, 2019 2:06pm
- mandk
  
  Battalions of people (say 3 battalions) ~ 2,000 people.
  About the size of NZF’s support base.
  
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  November 5, 2019 3:09pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  NZ Fist’s Shane Jones described the Indian backlash as a”Bollywood overreaction” 😀
  As my partner just whooped, “Onya’ Jonesy! It’s two ticks black from us!!”
  
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  November 5, 2019 3:26pm
- BananaLlama
  
  I would actually like to see immigration reduced greatly but first we need to find another way to grow our economy.
  
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  November 5, 2019 4:10pm
- stephieboy
  
  Just a reminder! . We do not need crude stereotypes and sweeping generalisations about immigrants and refugees As shown below most immigrants and refugees try to better and improve themselves in more ways than one. Often arriving from the ravages war and civil conflict
  
  “Migrant journeys”
  
  In November, Helmi Al Khattat, until recently a Wellington taxi driver, was one of the speakers at the launch of Migrant Journeys: New Zealand taxi drivers tell their stories.
  
  https://www.immigration.govt.nz/about-us/media-centre/newsletters/settlement-actionz/actionz4/migrant-journeys
  
  Former Afghanistan refugee wins Fulbright Graduate Award to New York university
  
  “He arrived in New Zealand aged 7 after being rescued from a sinking fishing vessel off the Australian coast 18 years ago.
  There were 430 people on board with Abbas Nazari, along with his parents and siblings.
  
  He has gone on to the battle the odds, after not knowing a word of English, to yesterday being granted a Fulbright New Zealand General Graduate Award to study at Columbia University in New York….”
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12241367
  
  and here also,
  
  “..Muse and his family then made the trek from Yemen to Kenya, where they were granted asylum to New Zealand.
  The 24-year-old has lived the extreme highs of graduating from Otago University with a Bachelor of Pharmacy and the extreme lows of staring death in the face back home in Somalia.
  
  Humbled by New Zealand’s generosity, Muse, who is also a music artist is immesely grateful of our nation’s refugee stance but believes Kiwis need to drop the stigma that all refugees are “bottom-feeding leeches”.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12075842
  
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  November 5, 2019 4:23pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Young Somali men growing up in the West left alienated and at risk of violence
    
    In May 2018, the Anti-Tribalism Movement, a Somali youth organisation in London on whose board I sit, invited me to a sobering forum about youth knife crime. The discussion at the workshop quickly became intense. A former gang member shared his experiences: “I started this business (of being in a gang) at the age nine,” he said. Now, he runs his own sports club to rehabilitate other gang members.
    
    “I’m curious,” I asked him, “what do Somali gangs do?” He told me that to prove themselves and get promoted in the ranks of their gangs they needed to act ruthlessly and violently. He said they also try to recruit young people who are particularly isolated, and start to share drugs with their own siblings, friends and relatives.
    
    “Are there Somali girl gangs?” a young woman asked. “Yes,” the man nodded, adding that their numbers are increasing.
    
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    November 5, 2019 5:28pm
    - stephieboy
      
      These Somali university graduates in NZ tell a different kind of story,
      
      Somali Graduate Journal 2016/17
      
      https://somaligraduatejournal.org/blog/
      
      Something for all of us lean including those Somalii youth!
      
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      November 5, 2019 6:23pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Judge’s difficult sentencing of a former refugee who won’t stop offending
        
        No-one knows what to do with Mohyadin Farah, a Somali who came here as a refugee with a history of sexually assaulting women. He’s been to jail, been in psychiatric care and even been considered for removal from the country. Nothing has worked.
        …
        A judge has called him a menace to the country that gave him refuge.
        …
        Farah came to New Zealand in 2000. By 2006 he was eligible for the highest sentence that can be passed by our courts, preventive detention. … He had served time in a Kenyan jail for indecent assault. He had committed the same crime here in under a year. Since then he has appeared multiple times for similar offending.
        
        A most undeserving recipient of New Zealand’s generous refugee hospitality.
        
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        November 5, 2019 7:05pm
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        Stephie: another reminder. Remind me why we should pay for these parasitic dregs? Were it up to me, the ringleaders would be in chains on SH1 road gangs clearing the verges on bread-and-water diets for 25 years….
        
        …Tran had been on the unemployment benefit since immigrating to New Zealand in 1993 until 2012 despite making a fortune from his illegal empire.
        
        The police have seized two homes from Tran, several cars including an Audi, $85,000 cash, bank accounts holding more than $200,000 as well as jewellery. Most of these assets were held in the names of family members.
        
        OPERATION GHOST
        FOUND GUILTY TODAY
        
        • “Baldy Mark” See Meng Hoo – Found guilty of 29 pseudoephedrine charges and 2 methamphetamine charges. Acquitted on 8 charges.
        
        • Chee Eng Tan – Found guilty of 10 pseudoephedrine charges, acquitted on 10.
        
        • Saman Ahmad Khanbigy – Found guilty of 4 methamphetamine charges and 2 pseudoephedrine charges
        
        Others already convicted and sentenced
        • “Peter” Van Thanh Tran (13 years 8 months)
        • Chuck Lou Tarm (12 years six months)
        • “Alex” Zhi Tong Li (11 years 8 months)
        • Ziyang Ma (9 years 4 months)
        • Joel Davies (9 years 3 months)
        • Zigeng Ma (six years six months)
        • Mosese Uele (5 years 5 months)
        • Jiu Mei Zheng (2 years 9 months)
        • Hau Phan Lam (2 years 8 months)
        • Yoke Lee (2 years 8 months)
        • Quan Ha (2 years 6 months)
        
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        November 5, 2019 7:59pm
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        Somali youths? Lessee.
        
        Mohyadin Farah.
        
        Give him a choice.
        
        Chemical or physical castration; or a one-way economy class ticket back to Mogadishu.
        
        I’d help fund either.
        
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        November 5, 2019 8:04pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Nostradamus, so are suggesting this kind of behaviour is standard fare amongst the Somali community and whites have not committed similar?
        
        “Auckland City police hunting for serial child sex offender Darren Jolly”
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12141627
        
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        November 5, 2019 8:21pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Or more especially this!
        
        Serial sex offender Stewart Murray Wilson, ‘the Beast of Blenheim’, found guilty of more rapes”
        
        Warning: Graphic content and sexual violence themes.
        
        Stewart Murray Wilson, the serial sex offender infamously dubbed “the Beast of Blenheim”, has been found guilty of raping a woman and a then 9-year-old girl, while also being found guilty of attempting to rape a third woman. For months the Herald has followed the case which culminated today with a jury reaching its verdicts for the 71-year-old after a week-long trial in the High Court at Auckland. Wilson’s name, prior offending, and nickname had been suppressed until today to protect his fair trial rights. He is known for drugging, assaulting and raping women over a 23-year period before he was caught…”.
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objecti
        
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        November 5, 2019 8:30pm
  - secondcumming
    
    Try telling that to the relatives of *Maree Duckmanton*
    
    CLOWN!!
    
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    November 5, 2019 5:36pm
  - Jack5
    
    Fourteen taxi drivers celebrated. Wolk folks’ unwitting highlighting of New Zealand’s hopeless performance in attracting highly skilled immigrants.
    
    Good on the Afghan survivor of a boat-crash invasion boat to Australia. He has won a Fulbright scholarship after graduating in international relations and diplomacy at Canterbury University. I hope he achieves his goal of a job in an international agency (there are armies of soft-science UN apparatchiks).
    
    Perhaps the Somali migrant who has graduated in pharmacy will get a chance to practise his medical skills in Somalia, or a similar source of migrants where such skills are sorely needed.
    
    Well done all, and well done the Stephiestani migrants sent to amuse and divert us in Kiwiblogland.
    
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    November 5, 2019 5:37pm
  - chaos
    
    Just a reminder I couldn’t give a toss what you think
    
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    November 5, 2019 7:33pm
theoldbloke

So the Princess starts her 2 mins Video with a lie.

We created 92,000 jobs!

No you effing didnt!
The marketplace created most of those jobs.

The only jobs “we” created was an increase in numbers of public servants
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November 5, 2019 2:28pm
- chaos
  
  Every govt takes credit for job creation
  
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  November 5, 2019 2:33pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Looks like she forgot to bring Maori into those jobs.
  https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20191105_20191105_08/tab/video?page=2
  
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  November 5, 2019 3:50pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Q.2 on the link…or try this:
    https://vimeo.com/371032987
    
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    November 5, 2019 3:54pm
igm

Don’t very often agree with Jones, but he is right on this one, but he overlooked Islam with their arranged marriages, many of them with many wives, 20 kids to be fed, medicated, educated, housed by taxpayers, then they bring all the relatives in.
Come on Shane, enough is enough.
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November 5, 2019 3:51pm
- chaos
  
  Likely told to not attack Jacinda’s people.
  
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  November 5, 2019 4:25pm
  - igm
    
    They may be hers, but sure as hell are not wanted by taxpayers and decent people.
    
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    November 6, 2019 9:41am
DigNap15

Trump is getting huge crowds at his rallies
And he is raising millions already.
He is going to romp in next year!
Drain the Swamp
Make America Greater
Pull out of the UN
Build the wall (higher)

What do you think DF?
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November 5, 2019 5:00pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Will the higher wall you desire still be able to be cut through by cheap power tools?
  
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  November 5, 2019 7:11pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    Probably irrelevant if a .50cal is on the parapet.
    
    Yes, I think foreign invaders intent on rape, theft and destabilizing our society should face the ultimate penalty.
    
    Go ahead, change my mind..
    
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    November 5, 2019 8:06pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Yes, they’ll just need longer power cables.
    
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    November 5, 2019 9:12pm
Jack5

ASB economists are suggesting the Reserve Bank will cut the official cash interest rate from 1 per cent next week and cut again in February, David Hargreaves at the interest-dot-co web site .

The Reserve Bank of Australia today held Australian interest rates at 0.75 per cent.

Hargreaves’ round-up of what bank economists are forecasting:

https://www.interest.co.nz/bonds/102416/asb-economists-dont-believe-recent-mood-shift-financial-markets-and-say-economic

Meanwhile Michael Reddell reports on his blog, Croaking Cassandra, that there are, well just rumours, of a dust-up between the board of the Reserve Bank of NZ and the governor. Reddell’s description: “stories rumble around about the possibility”.
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November 5, 2019 5:21pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I wonder tf 78 if took my tip on the Melbourne Cup?

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/11/general_debate_4_november_2019.html#comment-2585537

Paying out at $4.60 for a Place, he could have made some dosh.
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November 5, 2019 5:31pm
sooty

Stuffed closed their RWC section of the website the sametime as the ex world cup team touched down in akl!
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November 5, 2019 5:46pm
- stephieboy
  
  Um did not the RWC end on Saturday evening?
  
  Would the arriving ABs actually care ?
  
  Anyway, welcome home.
  
  Hoki Mai
  
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  November 5, 2019 6:33pm
chaos

How to try cover your butt when caught lying, yet again

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/117183944/phil-tywford-corrects-wrong-answer-he-gave-to-parliament
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November 5, 2019 6:42pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  To be fair to him – I think most of my generation would give him a “bless his heart, he’s unfortunately retarded” pass.
  
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  November 5, 2019 8:07pm
- stephieboy
  
  chaos , maybe tywford neeeds the counsel of this man,
  
  https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-trumps-washington/trumps-escalating-war-on-the-truth-is-on-purpose
  
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  November 5, 2019 8:35pm
Hugh Pavletich

CALIFORNIA: EXODUS FROM THE GOLDEN STATE …

Conservative Californians Leaving In Droves For “America First, Law And Order” Red States … Zerohedge
… incorporating excellent 10 min video …
‘California: Exodus from the Golden State’

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/conservative-californians-leaving-droves-america-first-law-and-order-red-states

California conservatives are leaving the state in droves over what the LA Times describes as their “disenchantment with deep-blue California’s liberal political culture,” not to mention “high taxes, lukewarm support for local law enforcement, and policies they believe have thrown open the doors to illegal immigration.” … view & read more via hyperlink above …
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… Guides to problem United States Cities and States …

… What is being learned from the successful ones ?

The average home price in every American state – and what you get for your money | Marissa Perino | Stuff.co.nz

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/113894360/the-average-home-price-in-every-american-state–and-what-you-get-for-your-money?rm=m

2019 15th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey

http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf

Housing Affordability Ratings … Median Multiples … All Markets

Australia 5.7
Canada 4.0
China (Hong Kong) 20.9
Ireland 3.7
New Zealand 6.5
Singapore 4.6
United Kingdom 4.8
United States 3.5
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November 5, 2019 6:43pm
- srylands
  
  Dude you may have things to say but your communication style is a disaster.
  
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  November 5, 2019 8:30pm
srylands

I received a speeding ticket on SH7 near Lewis Pass. 117 km/h in a 100 zone. It is close enough to 100. Why are they not out chasing gangs?
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November 5, 2019 8:29pm
Nostradamus

Jacinda Ardern speed-lists her achievements in Facebook video which has gone global

It’s been two years since Jacinda Ardern became New Zealand’s Prime Minister … To mark the anniversary, Ms Ardern was challenged to cram what she said were some of her key achievements into what was meant to be a two-minute Facebook video … but which ended up going 56 seconds over.

As a service for Kiwiblog readers, I’ve transcribed what she said were some of her key achievements:

We’ve created 92,000 jobs. We’ve built more than 2,200 state houses. We’ve banned offshore speculators. We’ve planted 140 million trees. We’ve got better cancer care through radiation machines, Pharmac funding, and created essential cancer agency. We’ve delivered cheaper doctor’s visits for over 500,000 people. We’re taking mental health seriously with mental health advisers in GPs and doctors clinics across the country. We’ve increased minimum wage to $17.70. We’ve hired 2,000 more doctors and nurses. We’re building more classrooms in schools for 100,000 students. We’ve brought unemployment to the lowest rate in 11 years. We’ve got the highest increase in wages in a decade. We’ve helped one million Kiwis pay their bills with the winter energy payment. We’ve boosted incomes for 384,000 families through the families package. We’ve increased school funding so parents don’t have to pay school donations and NCEA fees. We’re breaking the cycle of family and sexual violence with massive boosts in funding. We’ve deployed 1,607 new police officers. We’ve made state highways safer. We’ve banned single-use plastic bags. We’ve started the clean-up job on our rivers and lakes through planting trees and fencing waterways. We’ve supported young people into training and apprenticeships. We’ve introduced a free lunches in schools programme. We’ve provided more funding for addiction treatment, beds and services. We’re paying teachers, nurses, and police officers more. We’ve resumed contributions to the super fund. We’ve set standards for rental homes. We’ve extended paid parental leave. We’ve ramped up the research, development, and tax incentives. We’re helping homeless individuals into homes through Housing First. We’ve banned military-style semi-automatic and assault rifles. We’ve introduced the Zero Carbon Bill. We’ve started fixing run-down hospitals. We’ve invested in public transport, extended nurses in schools to cover decile 4 and 5 secondary schools for almost 30,000 extra students. We’ve passed the Child Poverty Reduction Act and have lifted between 50,000 and 70,000 children out of poverty. We’ve provided the first funding increase in 10 years to early childhood education. We’ve banned smoking in cars with children. We began the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Historical Abuse in State Care and in Care of Faith-based Institutions. We’ve set up a Suicide Prevention Office and developed a suicide prevention strategy. We’ve created Mana Ake, putting mental health support in every primary and intermediate school in Christchurch and Kaikoura. We gave families an extra $3,000 a year for the first year of a child’s life. We’ve boosted funding for air ambulances. We lifted the cap on gender reassignment surgery. We’ve banned microbeads. We’ve boosted funding for KiwiRail. We’ve reduced the prison population for the first time in a decade. We established Te Arawhiti, the Office for Maori-Crown Relations, to make the Crown a better Treaty partner. We increased New Zealand’s refugee quota. We’re leading on the Christchurch Call to eliminate terrorist and violent extremist content online. And we’re making sure New Zealand history is taught in all schools and kura.

This will keep the fact checkers busy!
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November 5, 2019 8:36pm
rightoverlabour

Bugger, it was hot in Auckland today! Must be global warming, except maybe here…

https://electroverse.net/regions-of-russia-forecast-to-receive-their-largest-november-snow-totals-ever-recorded/

So I am not saying its an ice age ( yet) but it does seem to be awfully cold, awfully early, awfully everywhere in the Northern Hemisphere .. ( where Ice ages are reputed to get kicked off,) but that involves understanding real science not IPCC psuedobabble….
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