General Debate 30 November 2019

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tedbear

So PTPM Ardern apologises on behalf of an airline.
She’d previously apologised for the murder of Grace Millane and there was that headscarf symbolism following the Christchurch shootings.

I thought she’d apologise to our Samoaan community for not acting fast enough to halt their measles epidemic.
Perhaps she thought she’d done quite enough for Samoa giving many $millions early in her reign.

As we approach electioneering in 2020, will we hear her apologising on behalf of her band of useless ministers that they’ve failed in eliminating poverty and housing the masses?
I expect not.
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November 30, 2019 8:03am
- Bill felt
  
  but she does’t turn up for any remembrance ceremonies for our fallen soldiers
  
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  November 30, 2019 9:20am
- Chuck Bird
  
  It would be nice if she appogized to the victims of the Labour Youth Camp predator.
  
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  November 30, 2019 9:28am
- NewInoffensiveName
  
  Casually apologising for whatever is the subject of the moment seriously devalues future apologies by the government.
  
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  November 30, 2019 10:33am
- Wired-one
  
  Not only failed on poverty, they have made things significantly worse.
  
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  November 30, 2019 10:42am
peterwn

See:
https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/absolutely-ridiculous-mum-teen-son-denied-wine-buy-dunedin-supermarket

My sympathies lie with Countdown on this one. I agree that the situation is ridiculous but the blame must lie at the foot of the regulatory agencies. The dilemma for Countdown is either to accept the odd nose being put out of joint or being ‘stung’ and having to close the liquor section for a couple of days.

Countdown is also in the difficult situation that its stores are centrally managed which means liquor breaches in any one store potentially reflect on the whole chain. In an extreme case Countdown risks being stripped of its liquor licences completely.

Four Square and New World are not faced with this extreme possibility as its stores are each independently owned.
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November 30, 2019 8:04am
- peterwn
  
  Re Four Square. It appears that smaller Four Square stores are being systematically targeted by police and health officials with some being stripped of licences, since liquor sales in some stores are excessively high compared with grocery sales. The only ones who retain liquor licences are likely to be the larger Four Square stores in communities not quite large enough to support a New World shop.
  
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  November 30, 2019 8:21am
- sooty
  
  Her biggest mistake was not leaving all the groceries and wine sitting on the checkout counter and walking out of the supermarket!
  
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  November 30, 2019 9:12am
  - peterwn
    
    …. and hope that the nearby New World is a softer touch and its owner-operator is a bit less risk adverse than Countdown.
    
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    November 30, 2019 9:27am
- Jo
  
  This happened to me, but my daughter was about 22 years at the time. She went to get her ID. As we were waiting, I pointed out the other parents with teenage children (mostly around the 15 & 16 years old) who were buying alcohol. The excuse was they were obviously too young to buy alcohol and they were with their parents. I asked how they knew they were with their parents and my daughter wasn’t.
  
  Countdown’s policy is extremely irritating, with an operator called to OK every purchase regardless of age. I now complain every time that this is not necessary under the law. One or two items plus wine, I shop else where and they make good money on wine.
  
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  November 30, 2019 9:20am
  - peterwn
    
    Countdown has had various brushes with licencing laws, hence they have adopted a strong corporate policy concerning alcohol sales. They otherwise risk losing credibility with the licencing agencies. It may seem overkill but they would be prepared to lose the odd customer than to risk a two day or longer liquor shutdown or worse still the loss of the licence. They have to ensure that staff authorising alcohol sales have the proper attitude and training and that the duty manager is on the shop floor the whole time and not out the back.
    The enforcers use all sorts of nasty tricks to catch them out, such as using a 17 year old who looked over 25 to try and make ‘sting’ purchases.
    
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    November 30, 2019 12:16pm
    - Stephen Russell
      
      At one time, two of the Blenheim Countdown supermarkets had their licences suspended for several weeks after being stung. Hence their caution!
      
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      November 30, 2019 1:43pm
- srylands
  
  No point blaming Countdown They are just complying with the law.
  
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  November 30, 2019 9:43am
  - Happychappy
    
    The moment that they gave it to Councils to uphold how they interpreted the law this happened, and Countdown was the one the Councils targeted. It is law that’s wrong not Countdown or their staff because they can’t win as if they are caught Countdown loses there licence and the staff member loses there job.
    
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    November 30, 2019 1:09pm
- niggly
  
  Her second biggest mistake was not declaring she identified as an oppressed transgender vegan climate change handicapped indigenous rights greenpeace activist … the supermarket would have let her have the wine for free in fear of causing an “incident” and social media “backlash”!
  
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  November 30, 2019 10:07am
  - Lizziep
    
    And niggly perhaps a liebor card carrier to add to your list.
    
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    December 1, 2019 7:59am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Yes we must keep life in perpective.
  An adult cannot buy a bottle of wine, but a political party can watch truckload supplied to minors, no questions asked, no consequences.
  In the great socilaist state of Victoria, it is illegal to buy a bottle of wine before 10 am, but you can go and shoot Ajax or any other substance flogged to you by drug dealers in an assisted government facility from early morning.
  It is fantastic to see where governments have their priorities. Clearly it is important to give minors unlimited grog and drugs than it is to allow a responsible parent a bottle of wine.
  It is what people vote for, absolute stupidity.
  
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  November 30, 2019 11:10am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Don’t buy from them. I avoid them like the plague. I had a friend who worked for them and would not shop from them.
  
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  November 30, 2019 12:05pm
tedbear

Step up from living in cars.
Some people say they are resorting to living in trees in order to get by.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/404422/northland-housing-woes-people-living-in-trees-car-ports-old-cars
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November 30, 2019 8:05am
- artemisia
  
  There are rentals ads and flatties-wanted ads in Northland, not that many admittedly. But also don’t know how many are living in trees. What we do know is that landlords and flatties might not be too interested in making offers to those whose current address is a tree, or a car or a carport.
  
  We also know that the social housing waiting lists in the area have rocketed up, pretty much tripled in 2 years. Examples – Far North Sep 2017 63 – Sep 2019 – 165. Whangarei District 104 to 287.
  
  What has changed in those two years? Anything to do with private landlords selling up or being a lot pickier about tenants? Maybe – and why would that be?
  
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  November 30, 2019 9:00am
  - srylands
    
    There has been an explosion in numbers of rentals being converted to Airbnb. I only stay in hotels if someone else is paying.
    
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    November 30, 2019 9:45am
    - Martin Williams
      
      This is the elephant in the room.
      
      I would have thought an expert in housing such as yourself might have a stronger opinion on the effect disruptive tech such as Airbnb has on our rather fragile housing market.
      
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      November 30, 2019 12:44pm
      - artemisia
        
        What is the root cause of the fragility do you suppose?
        
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        November 30, 2019 2:50pm
      - Tall Man
        
        The end result of ardern and the muppets vilifying landlords, you know, the way you treat sexual assault victims.
        
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        November 30, 2019 5:24pm
    - sooty
      
      A hotel would rule out WINZ customers in motels, or do you have to stay in expensive ones?
      
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      November 30, 2019 12:50pm
- kevn
  
  @ted… Isn’t it fortunate that 2 high profile members of parliament live in that area. I’m sure they are fully involved… lol
  
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  November 30, 2019 9:01am
- Fletch
  
  “So you say there’s a race
  of men in the trees,
  You’re for tough legislation.
  Thanks for calling,
  I wait all night, for calls like these.”
  ~ The Nightfly, Donald Fagen
  
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  November 30, 2019 9:21am
- skyblue
  
  This should be encouraged. Lower carbon foorprint than a car. 2020 election promise from the Greens.
  
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  November 30, 2019 9:22am
- Gazza the Giant
  
  Are they monkeys ?
  
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  November 30, 2019 10:42am
- pussycat
  
  I suspect some people living in trees would feel right at home!
  
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  November 30, 2019 11:26am
slightlyrighty

“If we are uncritical we shall always find what we want: we shall look for, and find, confirmations, and we shall look away from, and not see, whatever might be dangerous to our pet theories.”

Thank you Karl Popper. This explains TDS, Both Derangement and Delusion.
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November 30, 2019 8:05am
- Fletch
  
  Very succinctly put. Robert R Reilly put it this way (but took more words) –
  
  For any individual, moral failure is hard to live with because of the rebuke of conscience. Habitual moral failure, what used to be called vice, can be lived with only by obliterating conscience through rationalization. When we rationalize, we convince ourselves that heretofore forbidden desires are permissible. We advance the reality of the desires over the reality of the moral order to which the desires should be subordinated. In our minds we replace the reality of moral order with something more congenial to the activity we are excusing. In short, we assert that bad is good.
  
  But when morally disordered acts become the defining centerpiece of one’s life, vice can permanently pervert reason. Entrenched moral aberrations then impel people to rationalize vice not only to themselves but to others as well. Thus rationalizations become an engine for revolutionary change that will affect society as a whole.
  
  The power of rationalization drives the culture war, gives it its particular revolutionary character, and makes its advocates indefatigable. It may draw its energy from desperation, but it is all the more powerful for that. Since failed rationalization means self-recrimination, it must be avoided at all cost. For this reason, the differences over which the culture war is being fought are not subject to reasoned discourse. Persons protecting themselves by rationalizing are interested not in finding the truth, but in maintaining the illusion that allows them to continue their behavior. For them to succeed in this, everyone must accede to their rationalization.
  
  This is why revolutionary change is required. The necessity for self-justification requires the complicity of the whole culture. Holdouts cannot be tolerated because they are potential rebukes. The self-hatred, anger, and guilt that a person possessed of a functioning conscience would normally feel from doing wrong are redirected by the rationalization and projected upon society as a whole (if the society is healthy), or upon those in society who do not accept the rationalization.
  
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  November 30, 2019 9:28am
Swifty

Labour Party conference this weekend:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/117835535/jacinda-ardern-says-labour-is-not-a-perfect-organisation-in-party-conference-speech

Got the music all lined up! 🙂

https://youtu.be/sgadD0Rhr0M?t=475
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November 30, 2019 8:08am
- Tony Stuart
  
  And the hot item on sale at the conference this weekend is – wait for it – a Young Labour calendar entitled “Party Animals”
  
  https://twitter.com/MarjaLubeck/status/1200269320602828802
  
  Oh dear…
  
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  November 30, 2019 8:35am
  - Swifty
    
    WTF?
    
    And they banged on for years that National ‘was out of touch….’
    
    Unbelievably stupid.
    
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    November 30, 2019 8:45am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Another example of immature activism which knows no boundaries.
    The Labour Party is a disgrace. You would think someone in the hierarchy would have had the intelligence to see that a party sanctioned
    publication with this theme is inappropriate given recent events.
    But no.
    
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    November 30, 2019 8:48am
  - Colville
    
    One of the kinder comments from the link..
    
    Surely this isn’t real. Even Labour aren’t this out of touch.
    
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    November 30, 2019 9:03am
  - sooty
    
    Who will be the mimisters to anounce their retirement this weekend?
    
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    November 30, 2019 9:15am
  - Gazza the Giant
    
    The funniest thing is , the media are invited to talk to her about the Labour parties highs and lows , BwhahahahahAhaHAHAHAHAHAHA , what bullshit , giving measles to the states and the Islands , making poverty far worse than it was when they thought princesses wand would make it vanish , now they are living in trees , kicking farmers , (The life blood of the economy) in the nutz , I could go on , but I wont bore everyone
    
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    November 30, 2019 10:47am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    So funny, maybe NZ Tourism can change its slogan
    “100% Pure New Zealand” to
    “100% Pure touchy-feely NZ”.
    
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    November 30, 2019 10:59am
- Fletch
  
  “We are not a perfect organisation. This year we have all been on a journey and we have learnt some incredibly important lessons,” ~ Jacinda Ardern.
  
  Yes, but you’re not supposed to be learning on the job. Next time, it might be better to get someone qualified…
  
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  November 30, 2019 9:30am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    What like don’t rape?
    
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    November 30, 2019 12:06pm
  - Swifty
    
    Exactly Fletch.
    
    Muppets.
    
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    November 30, 2019 1:26pm
- burt
  
  Is Prince Andrew MC for the conference?
  
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  November 30, 2019 9:41am
  - igm
    
    Possibly they have Judge Collins.
    
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    November 30, 2019 9:47am
  - Paulus
    
    No – not enough good looking crumpet there !
    All old bags and don’t think he interested in boys.
    
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    November 30, 2019 10:57am
    - igm
      
      He is a Labourite . . . are they not gender fluid as well as perverted?
      
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      November 30, 2019 3:39pm
tedbear

And step up from Maoris claiming paltry $millions.

In Western Australia, Noongar indigenous leaders are seeking $290 billion payout for “spiritual damage” caused by loss of their traditional land.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/404498/western-australia-indigenous-land-case-seeks-290bn-record-legal-payout
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November 30, 2019 8:12am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  But the difference is that the Australian Govt. will have the good sense to tell them to f*** off.
  
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  November 30, 2019 8:37am
  - HemiT
    
    Uh huh f*** off indeed , if you pillage you pay reparation
    
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    November 30, 2019 11:05am
JibberJabber

I`ll just leave this here….
https://twitter.com/adamwl/status/1200170350505390080

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November 30, 2019 8:12am
- renderer
  
  FFS
  
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  November 30, 2019 8:51am
- freethinker
  
  A budding future Labour leader.
  
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  November 30, 2019 9:20am
- Fletch
  
  You have to worry about the youth. I bet he doesn’t know how to use a regular map book, either.
  
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  November 30, 2019 9:32am
- artemisia
  
  Have to admit to struggling with the Ikea can opener. Later learned also known as the can’t opener. Felt better.
  
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  November 30, 2019 12:29pm
- alex Masterley
  
  Oh dear lord.
  Unbelievable.
  
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  November 30, 2019 2:28pm
JibberJabber

Re, the Crusaders new logo, they`ve been pranked …Big Time.

https://twitter.com/devinecelt/status/1200477330734342146

Google the word Frot..if you dare
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=frotting
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November 30, 2019 8:20am
- sooty
  
  They spent so much money on the change of logo and all, only to be now known as that queer club!
  
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  November 30, 2019 9:24am
- Maggie Pie
  
  My partner knows the Ad Agency that designed this – he reckons if there was any change out of a 100k he’d be surprised. Talk about sucked in!
  
  [At least they haven’t perpetuated the myth. They’ve made them both the same size 😛 ]
  
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  November 30, 2019 9:56am
- SGA
  
  Frottage isn’t limited to humans, btw. It’s seen in our cousins, the bonobo chimpanzees, as well. Sometimes takes the form of “penis fencing”.
  
  Not to be confused with frotteurism – e.g., rubbing your penis against a woman on the crowded subway carriage without her permission.
  
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  November 30, 2019 10:04am
Rodney Randall

Colin Mansbridge stated this morning on ZB sports talk, that the Crusaders management team consulted with a NZ ‘leading’ ‘academic’ on the Crusades who was adament they must change their name during discussions!

Common sense won on the day.
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November 30, 2019 8:23am
- sooty
  
  That’s the problem right there asking a leading NZ academic.
  
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  November 30, 2019 9:25am
- John Warren
  
  Academics of that kind are a parasitic scourge. I wonder… Waikato Uni… Professor of Woke Studies and Diversity?
  
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  November 30, 2019 9:27am
- tedbear
  
  I’m surprised Maori haven’t claimed the Crusaders using that new logo have breached part of their indigenous property rights.
  
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  November 30, 2019 9:50am
- Rodney Randall
  
  adamant. apologies
  
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  November 30, 2019 10:03am
rightoverlabour

Very interesting article here on the floods in Australia in 2011, and the differing attitudes to scientists and their views on Australian weather. Same shit is going to happen around climate alarmism, mark my words.

http://joannenova.com.au/2019/11/class-action-win-2011-floods-were-man-made-seemingly-managed-as-if-the-dams-would-never-fill/
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November 30, 2019 8:31am
- peterwn
  
  It is worth noting that the Waikato River has to be properly managed. If heavy rain is forecast in the Taupo area then pre-emptive action of spilling water from hydro dams has to be taken to accommodate possible floodwaters. If Lake Karapiro overfills and the water flows over the top of the dam across the dam roadway, Hamilton and other downstream areas face disaster.
  
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  November 30, 2019 9:41am
Im Right

Why is Corbyn still Labour leader? I’m happy he is, but most polls over the last couple of years show a clear trend that the average labour voter on the street (NOT the young Marxist socialist snowflake voters, that adore the likes of the Democrats ‘the squad’ in USA) don’t like him and wish another leader was in his place. Has UK Labour got itself in such a rut that only way to get rid of their leader is a big election defeat?
Although I’m not wishing Corbyn to step down, if I were a UK Labour voter I would be tempted to vote for anyone but Labour!
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November 30, 2019 8:34am
- The King
  
  Why? do you really believe the media about Corbyn?
  
  I’ve learnt alot about who the jews hate, their joy at trying to ruin someone with their funny small anti-semite label. They did it to Trump in 2016.
  
  I hope Corbyn wins for this fact alone. In fact he will win because of this.
  
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  November 30, 2019 10:26am
Captain Mainwaring

So it turns out that the judge in the Labour youth camp groper trial (which resulted in discharge without conviction and name suppression) was the brother- in-law of ‘call me Sir’ Michael Cullen.
And Peters’ defamation action, purely an attempt to protect his own ego, is going to potentially cost the taxpayer upwards of a million $.
Now tell me our failure accidental Government is not funding corruption on a grand scale.
National has the perfect opportunity to stick the knife in here, but will they take it?
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November 30, 2019 8:34am
- peterwn
  
  They will. However timing is everything.
  
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  November 30, 2019 9:05am
  - septic skeptic
    
    Carpe Diem or yesterday’s news?
    
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    November 30, 2019 9:40am
  - Inandout
    
    peterwn, you are correct. Keep your powder dry and strike next year when the Col beg for votes by announcing the things they have ‘achieved’. On almost every issue they can then be shot to pieces and a PM royal wedding is not going to change a thing.
    
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    November 30, 2019 11:20am
    - peterwn
      
      They will also trot out the same policies on Kiwibuild etc and begging for a second chance.
      
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      November 30, 2019 12:18pm
    - sooty
      
      Or a baby by the PTPM!
      
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      November 30, 2019 12:55pm
- stephen2d
  
  I suspect a Labour caucus member will buy los of pies to celebrate good news.
  
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  November 30, 2019 9:17am
  - cut n paster
    
    Some one say PIES?
    https://ibb.co/4Zmr7Qv
    
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    November 30, 2019 5:26pm
- freethinker
  
  Will be fun to watch the Angry Areshole in Parliament if questioned on this biased partisan Judge.
  
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  November 30, 2019 9:25am
- MCos
  
  I wouldn’t go too far down that path.
  NZ is a small country.
  Every judge, crown prosecutor, etc probably has a connection to someone or other.
  
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  November 30, 2019 9:51am
- Gazza the Giant
  
  Yes , and Collins sister is more than just Cullens wife , she was Ann Fraser , and a 2 time Labour MP for the East cape
  
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  November 30, 2019 10:50am
John Warren

In the face of polling showing a strong lead for the Conservatives, a frustrated British friend, very left wing, asks on Facebook if friends intending to vote Tory will please explain why. Said friend is entirely dumbfounded, baffled. But no ‘because Corbyn’ bullshit though, because that’s not an answer. Now, considering the constant venom directed at Trump, I find this rather ironic.
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November 30, 2019 8:49am
Simon

An experienced Chinese state TV journalist has been convicted of slapping a Conservative party conference delegate during a fringe meeting.

Linlin Kong, 49, a reporter with the Chinese broadcaster CCTV,

But a judge found Kong, a journalist for 26 years and CCTV’s chief UK political correspondent, guilty of assault after a trial, describing it as an attack “in the heat of the moment”.

Giving evidence at trial, the victim had told the court the reporter slapped him and also later struck his elbow, after she accused conference panellists of trying to “separate” China.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/29/chinese-tv-journalist-guilty-of-slapping-tory-delegate

Lol. CCP violent thugs. “journalist” What a piece of shit.

CCP is what the extinction rebellion would look like if they were running society.
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November 30, 2019 8:51am
- Swifty
  
  Thanks for this.
  
  I’ve followed this story since it happened.
  
  Communist Chinese bully – can’t handle it when people have their own, independent, views – and goes postal on them. She has the ‘right’ to heckle and slap people’s faces but they have no right to ask her to leave and escort her from the premises.
  
  Typical Chinese government double-talk and standover tactics.
  
  Withdraw her visa and boot her out.
  
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  November 30, 2019 12:47pm
mikenmildagain

Hi everyone, it’s Cities for Life Day – a movement of over a thousand cities around the world to support the abolition of the death penalty. 30 November is the anniversary of the abolition of the death penalty in 1786 in Tuscany, the first modern state to do so.
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November 30, 2019 8:55am
- peterwn
  
  Spending the rest of your life in a crappy 18th century prison chained to the wall was probably a greater deterrent than the death penalty.
  
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  November 30, 2019 9:30am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It is St Andrew’s Day
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saltire
  
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  November 30, 2019 10:57am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    St Andrew reputedly asked to be crucified on his now eponymous cross as he felt unworthy of the cross his old pal JC got.
    
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    November 30, 2019 11:01am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I’ll have a quality dram to celebrate later . . .
    
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    November 30, 2019 11:33am
    - Tall Man
      
      With a handle on the glass? 🙂
      
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      November 30, 2019 5:11pm
  - Jack5
    
    St Andrew, patron saint of Scotland, Russia, Greece, Rumania, Barbados, and was patron saint of Prussia.
    
    St Andrew’s Cross was also part of the flag of the American Confederacy. Trade Me will thus likely ban it.
    
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    November 30, 2019 3:38pm
Simon

“Terrorist” attack on London bridge.

Terrorist = habitual cannabis user with mental health issues.
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November 30, 2019 8:56am
- Jack5
  
  Bullshit, this terrorist = Islamic extremist.
  
  Mentally sick cannabis addicts don’t carry fake suicide bombs.
  
  Why do folk like you try to deny Muslim extremists are killing innocent people in Europe?
  
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  November 30, 2019 9:23am
- fernglas
  
  Two dead, three if you count the attacker. Not a joke, Simon.
  
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  November 30, 2019 9:57am
- igm
  
  Don’t overlook the attack in The Hague . . . seems they are on the rampage again . . . being swept under the carpet by left-wing media, not unlike a Labour education camp sex offender.
  
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  November 30, 2019 10:06am
- JibberJabber
  
  Another Pacifist Extremist bites the dust.
  
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  November 30, 2019 10:20am
- The King
  
  Ah Cultural enrichment back again i see.
  
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  November 30, 2019 10:29am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

So Trump takes Air Force 1 to Florida, does a disappearing act, sends a false motorcade to Mar-A-Lago. Then he gets to another Air Base, jumps on the other Air Force 1 and turns up in Afghanistan for Thanksgiving. MSM lose their shit, as well as the Dems.
Winning again, he played them like a fiddle
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November 30, 2019 9:02am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Some of this might be Fake News!
  
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  November 30, 2019 9:03am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    If it makes Dems heads explode, dilligaf!
    
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    November 30, 2019 9:37am
  - Gazza the Giant
    
    It is , the media said he was playing golf , then he turned up in Afghanistan , end of story
    
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    November 30, 2019 10:53am
- SGA
  
  I’m not sure why anyone’s “losing their shit”, both of the previous US Presidents did a similar stunt at Thanksgiving (Bush – Iraq, Obama – Afghanistan).
  
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  November 30, 2019 9:17am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Maybe, but they did not send the media on a wild goose chase. They all took the bait, hook, line, sinker and most of Trump’s arm.
    Number 1 troll
    
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    November 30, 2019 2:25pm
    - SGA
      
      I think that you will find that when past presidents have made unannounced visits to the troops in “hotspots” then there has been some misdirection for security reasons. Of course, I am sure it is much better when Trump does it 🙂
      
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      November 30, 2019 3:20pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        It was the bigliest ever media misdirection.
        
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        November 30, 2019 5:11pm
- Fletch
  
  Funny how you don’t see the story of Trump visiting the troops in Afghanistan and helping serve food to them on the mainstream media. They are more interested in his fake Rocky picture… ?
  
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  November 30, 2019 9:35am
  - SGA
    
    I’ve seen it a number of places, Fletch?
    
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    November 30, 2019 12:09pm
  - MCos
    
    You mean apart from TV1 news last night or maybe it was Al Jazeera?
    Not exactly up there with Lewis the koala’s death.
    
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    November 30, 2019 2:24pm
- Gazza the Giant
  
  The fake news brigade said he was golfing , to find out he was in Afghanistan , and they wonder why Trumpy is going to romp in next year
  
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  November 30, 2019 10:52am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Imagine in the future if you were in the forces in Afghanistan, telling your kids and grand kids that the POTUS Donald Trump served you a Thanksgiving meal – and you have video to prove it
    
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    November 30, 2019 2:29pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Seems to be the standard procedure for the president visiting overseas troops. That you ascribe this routine manoeuvre to the Dotard-in-Chief’s individual genius says something about your delusional state.
  
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  November 30, 2019 11:05am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Routine manoeuvre? Come on Mike, you are dreaming again. Trump is running rings around the media, they know it and hate him for it
    
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    November 30, 2019 2:31pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      As SGA pointed out above, previous president’s have disguised their trips to overseas forces. Seems you are desperate for something to ascribe to the ‘great and unmatched wisdom’ of your orange idol.
      
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      November 30, 2019 3:43pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Mike, where is the PTPM President of NZ today?
        Lots of activity at Whenuapai – you would not want to be saying that she does not disappear without the MSM and YOU knowing???
        
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        November 30, 2019 5:02pm
  - Gazza the Giant
    
    I have been here for a short time , and its you that’s delusional mate , look at your down votes man
    
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    November 30, 2019 3:55pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      He does change. Sometimes for the good, and intelligent comments. But the underlying kicks in – Mike hates all who disagree with him.
      Fair comment mods – delete and warning if you like, but Mike can be a right good guy, and a right fucking arsehole
      
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      November 30, 2019 5:07pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        Mike hates all who disagree with him.
        
        Yup. Noone else on KB is like that …..
        
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        November 30, 2019 5:15pm
barnacle bill

Are we at the start of a 3000 years long drought ?
https://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/climate-change/a-lot-of-suffering-grim-3000yo-warning-about-to-come-true/news-story/84274e09f8cc1ae708bfb0b43947d297
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November 30, 2019 9:26am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  There is a book on the Book Depository called 1177 the year civilisation ended.
  China/Japan and the West are seeing a decline in populations however the Islamic world and Africa have burgeoning populations and they do not have the technology or infrastructure to support this. They all want to move to the West and there will be a war between the incoming marauders and the indigenous Europeans.
  The Chinese will just go in and shoot any invaders if they can get there across the steppes and mountains. The Japanese are surrounded by sea.
  That leaves Europe and if the week kneed limp wristed leaders don’t do anything Europe will be over run.
  There will be a war to the death between the invaders and the Europeans as if their leaders do nothing they will rise up especially the Poles, Hungarians etc who know their history.
  
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  November 30, 2019 3:44pm
  - DigNap15
    
    There should be, but with Merkel in charge she just welcomes them.
    The Italian navy will tow you to safety and Sweden will let you rape their women.
    
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    November 30, 2019 9:19pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  “Are we at the start of a 3000 years long drought?”
  
  If we are Barnacle Bill you’ll only have to worry about the first 1% of it.
  
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  November 30, 2019 8:28pm
  - barnacle bill
    
    Maybe, if you are very lucky, you may get to 1% also.
    
    Don’t count your chickens to soon captain.
    
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    November 30, 2019 9:50pm
oldpark

A “Black Friday” on London Bridge ,for all the wrong reasons. Best result and answers by the authorites will be the alleged offenders will get a touch feely mitigated reason for such an atrocity. Also same reported bad “Black Friday” in Holland.
Ssssshhh dont mention who or what the reasons are. It is not for us to wonder why . Yeah! Right!.
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November 30, 2019 9:32am
- oldpark
  
  Whats the hold up . Thought was a very tame question. Almost 2.5 hours sent blog was sent .
  
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  November 30, 2019 11:56am
srylands

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/117587959/climate-change-everything-new-zealand-needs-to-do-to-get-to-zero-carbon

This reads like propaganda rather than journalism. For example it cites the “feebate” scheme as a mechanism to achieve carbon zero by 2050. It does not mention the Treasury analysis that shows it will do no such thing.

It also cites electric vehicle use in Norway. Without mentioning that this is due to massive subsidies paid for by oil wealth.

A Nissan Leaf is 60 thousand dollars. Im not going to buy one. And I won’t buy one if the government gives me a 5 thousand dollar bribe.
I can buy a top of the range Camry hybrid for 49 K which is a nice looking car IMO. And it has a range of 1000 km.

My fear is that the Government will seriously consider banning the importation of petroleum powered passenger and light commercial vehicles.
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November 30, 2019 9:35am
- Kabull
  
  Just wait until Road User Charges are levied, like diesel powered vehicles. The RUC will need to be enough to replace those paid through petrol, otherwise our roading network will collapse. Oh, sorry – thats what they want …
  
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  November 30, 2019 12:12pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    I read yesterday about a three-axle heavy truck delivering laundry between Taupo, Rotorua and Tauranga. It pays ZERO road user charges because it’s powered by electricity but wears out the roads even more because of the weight of the batteries.
    This cannot continue for the reasons Kabull explains.
    
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    November 30, 2019 8:36pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  And don’t even think of buying a $15K used import Nissan Leaf. The battery will be half-stuffed and in 3 years time you will have a car that’s worth zero.
  
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  November 30, 2019 8:38pm
  - srylands
    
    No I won’t do that. ?
    
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    November 30, 2019 10:15pm
srylands

I’m pleased the Crusaders kept their name.
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November 30, 2019 9:39am
Fletch

Another stabbing in the Netherlands….

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/world/three-people-injured-following-stabbing-in-netherlands
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November 30, 2019 9:56am
Maggie Pie

GOD this guys SUCH a wanker! Jack Lame calling for City Councils to create even more cycle lanes to accommodate E Scooters. I only tuned in to get Nicky Weeks xmas cake recipe. Stuff it, will google it instead.
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November 30, 2019 10:05am
- Kabull
  
  I thought Tame was good when he was the New York reporter. But since he got home I have become so disenchanted with him that I no longer listen to or read his childish nonsense.
  
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  November 30, 2019 12:13pm
- Tall Man
  
  Try this. Different nicky though…………..
  
  https://www.kitchensanctuary.com/november-is-the-time-to-make-your-christmas-cake/
  
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  November 30, 2019 5:27pm
- Tall Man
  
  https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/saturday-morning-with-jack-tame/audio/nici-wickes-gluten-free-christmas-cake/
  
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  November 30, 2019 6:40pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    WOW! Thanks for those TM…
    If i do run with Nici Wickes version, i’ll definately be adding the gluten back in 😛
    
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    November 30, 2019 7:41pm
Gravelroad

Wonderful puff piece by a Thomas Coughlan on Stuff this morning ahead of the Labour Party conference (complete with large LP logo).
I especially liked this bit:
“Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern is so well liked that she sends ripples of excitement through groups of jaded civil servants when she meets them in Wellington.”
For real? Any civil servants on here who can attest to this!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/117829175/jacinda-ardern-heads-to-party-conference-ready-to-assert-herself

Stuff still banging the drum, come what may.
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November 30, 2019 10:05am
- curry4me
  
  Perhaps he got it from a 1937 issue of Pravda?
  
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  November 30, 2019 9:53pm
tedbear

Why on earth can’t we get quality tarmac on our roads, especially on our newish expressways?
A year or so back the Kapiti Expressway required $$tens of millions for resealing.
Now I read that the Waikato Expressway needs another $60 million for tarmac repairs.

I recall seeing a model display of the Kapiti Expressway in the Coastlands Mall that mentioned waterproof seal.

Why not concrete the parts liable to flood and be done with it?
I’ve driven on many roads in UK that have parts concreted.
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November 30, 2019 10:30am
- rockape
  
  Nearly all German motorways are concrete. Some let over from the 40s are still cobbled.
  
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  November 30, 2019 12:41pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Concrete motorways are much more expensive. If we want concrete roads, we probably need to be a rich country like Germany.
    
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    November 30, 2019 3:45pm
- Tall Man
  
  There is a flaw in the tendering system whereby “maintenance” isn’t factored in so the cheapest quote is taken then the “maintenance” begins.
  
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  November 30, 2019 5:00pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    That’s not one I had come across. Where can we read a bit about it?
    
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    November 30, 2019 5:33pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Speaking of roads, went to Kapiti and back today. The southbound lanes between the bottom of the Pukerua Bay hill and the Plimmerton roundabout have been resurfaced with the most coarse aggregate that I’ve ever experienced. My car is not too bad for tyre noise but on this bit of road I had to have the radio at pretty much full volume.
    And of course in a couple of years all the tops will have been rounded off by the trucks and it will be like a skating rink. Thank Christ by then Transmission Gully will be open and we won’t have to drive on it, but who can guarantee what the surface of the new road will be like.
    Why are we such cheapskates with our road surfaces?
    
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    November 30, 2019 8:57pm
Maggie Pie

FAKE NEWS – SETTING THE RECORD STRAIGHT.

I thought it worth pointing out to anyone reading this story in this mornings NZ Herald, that ‘Avice Ave’ is located well to the southern side of Remuera, and close to the motorway. In no way would it be considered as part of the far more genteel Northern Slopes.
To be honest, it’s considered by most people here to be the rougher part of Ellerslie.

Just saying.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12289350
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November 30, 2019 10:44am
- Jules99
  
  I felt sorry for the couple. They should get hold of the owner. I had a troublesome neighbour. Tried to sort it directly and politely but in the end I raised it with the landlord and their lease was not renewed next time. Lovely people living next door now. Phew.
  
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  November 30, 2019 12:49pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I can only symphathize with you on that Jules.. .sounds absolutely dreadful 🙁
    It’s something that would never happen in The Avenue, we have the services of Rush Security available whenever needed.
    Have you thought about employing a private security firm?
    
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    November 30, 2019 1:34pm
curry4me

Super delegates explained.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAI2dGtvR00
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November 30, 2019 11:13am
curry4me

Labour staff to drop by half; including the call centre in Newcastle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqHZoDfGVgs
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November 30, 2019 11:14am
Wired-one

With the “year of delivery” coming to an end. What will 2020 be called? Year of the wedding?, year of the second child?, year of buying votes?, year of implosion?
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November 30, 2019 12:05pm
- Swifty
  
  I’ve thought about this and have concluded that the most likely scenario is that 2020 will, too, be labelled the ‘Year of Delivery’ and that anyone who points out that they already had one in 2019, and which was a failure, will be attacked and pilloried as a RWNJ, guilty of hate speech, male pale and stale etc
  
  I cite Labour’s blatant dishonesty regarding planned police numbers, Kiwibuild targets, numbers of trees to be planted etc as my evidence – that they are clearly happy to lie openly and to our faces and then stick their fingers in their ears when we point it out.
  
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  November 30, 2019 1:20pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Year of bare faced bribes I’m picking (and presenting that the CoL are happy families at all costs).
  Wedding a little later if deemed necessary…
  
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  November 30, 2019 1:38pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  2020, year of free shit promises – guaranteed.
  
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  November 30, 2019 3:16pm
Swifty

After waiting his/her whole life to use the word ‘shrapnel’ in a story, Jody finally gets her/his chance and takes the opportunity in both hands:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/117751344/shrapnel-leaching-toxic-lead-into-christchurch-terror-attack-victims-blood

However poor Jody clearly doesn’t know the meaning of the word.

Better luck next time Jody.
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November 30, 2019 12:15pm
Swifty

Various athletic pursuits:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=WakXz08PQek&feature=emb_logo
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November 30, 2019 1:12pm
Martin Williams

National. The nasty Party.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/11/national-mp-jo-hayes-apologises-for-vile-and-unprompted-twitter-attack.html
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November 30, 2019 1:17pm
- MrTips
  
  Yep, apologies are completely foreign and anathema to Labour wankers like you Martin. Ok Groomers!
  
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  November 30, 2019 4:46pm
- Tall Man
  
  martin williams, the rapists friend and victim attacker.
  
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  November 30, 2019 4:49pm
Swifty

THE GLOVES ARE OFF | Andy Ruiz Jr vs Anthony Joshua | The Rematch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOXFH0f9kp4

(an interview with them both…)
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November 30, 2019 1:53pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Seems the latest UN Climate change conference COP25 is not just about greenhouse gas emissions….

https://twitter.com/COP25CL/status/1200501247851282432?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

It’s also about gender and indigenous rights..
Other focus areas at COP25 will include adaptation, loss and damage, transparency, finance, capacity-building, Indigenous issues, oceans, forestry, gender and more.

https://unfccc.int/news/cop25-to-be-the-launchpad-for-significantly-more-climate-ambition-0
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November 30, 2019 1:56pm
Komata

Maggy@1356

It was never about Climate Change, but always about control and the creation of tame, willing, unthinking and easily-manipulated slaves.

The Millenials are merely the latest itteration..
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November 30, 2019 2:34pm
mikenmildagain

Air New Zealand trolls disgruntled customer:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/29/im-not-maori-air-new-zealand-teases-customer-with-te-reo-answers
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November 30, 2019 4:11pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  If Te Reo is an official languge what Te Reo do they refer to? The present use is frequently unofficial–the limited words are being stretched beyond meaning, interspersed among English, making it neither language, and without grammatical items.
  Try writing a manual in it.
  Fake Maori is not Te Reo nor official.
  
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  November 30, 2019 5:28pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    If Te Reo is an official languge(sic)
    
    I can confirm that Maori is an official language in New Zealand.
    
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    November 30, 2019 7:15pm
- Tall Man
  
  And this childish stupidity appeals to you how?
  
  Maybe…êow windan lecgan ðone as seten un−l¯æd êower forðcyme
  
  and revive the language in your birth country.
  
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  November 30, 2019 7:12pm
MrTips

O for God’s sake, can’t somebody thorazine this miserable old tit? https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12289748

Erhlich has been wrong on so many things that he’s a laughing stock. Not a good career move teaming up with Capt Loser Dr Bradshaw. So full of shit he’d power Berkeley for 10yrs.
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November 30, 2019 4:48pm
- Tall Man
  
  He is not alone in seeing the rising tide of “economic refugees” descending on ill prepared nations as a potential for destruction.
  
  It doesn’t take a “big thinker” to work out that a country with 5 million people and the ability to feed and house 4 million has a problem.
  
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  November 30, 2019 6:51pm
cut n paster

Calling in Crook 🙂
https://ibb.co/yf2YFpf
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November 30, 2019 5:57pm
Swifty

“As President I will be relentlessly focused on our purpose – to win elections so that Labour can deliver a fairer New Zealand.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/117826850/labour-elects-habitat-for-humanity-ceo-claire-szab-as-party-president

‘so that Labour can deliver a fairer New Zealand’

I’d like to pick apart that statement a little.

1. What exactly is unfair in NZ today that we need to make ‘more fairer’?
2. Isn’t the statement rather bankrupt in itself? She doesn’t aspire to a ‘more excellent’ NZ, or a more prosperous one etc – rather, just one ‘that is more fair’. How weak and wolly-wooftery.
3. Please define fair.
4. Who decides what is fair and what is unfair?
5. In terms of fair, is it fairness of opportunities or fairness of outcomes? An important distinction and if she’s after fairness in outcomes then why just not come out and say that.
6. In deciding what is fair, how will she resolve disagreements amongst us all where we differ on what is fair? And in determining what is fair, will she be considering the impacts on those who have to collect the bill in making things more fair?
7. What are our targets for fairness? How will we know when things are now as fair as we can possibly get them and at which point she and all her mates can just shut up shop and go home?

Any other things I can add to the list?
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November 30, 2019 6:43pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  The Labour Party president is unlikely to be reading Kiwiblog. Might I suggest you direct your questions to her by email or letter?
  
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  November 30, 2019 7:22pm
  - Swifty
    
    It’s not written for her.
    
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    November 30, 2019 9:26pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  is it fair that females are PM and President of the Labour Party?
  
  is it fair that no Maori are top office holders in Labour?
  
  https://asianinvasion2019.blogspot.com/2019/11/one-maori-worth-more-than-one-woman-now.html
  
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  November 30, 2019 7:40pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Concerns noted.
    
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    November 30, 2019 7:42pm
  - Swifty
    
    Very good questions Maggy.
    
    I could add, is it fair that Mr 7% controls the country?
    
    Let’s have some answers!
    
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    November 30, 2019 8:03pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      He’s actually Mr. 3% based on recent polls.
      
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      December 1, 2019 9:26am
Fletch

So, looks like the London bridge attacker is an Arabic man with last name Khan. Who woulda thought?
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November 30, 2019 8:08pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Khan is not an Arabic name. Just saying.
  
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