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Than

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Is this a new low even for a pathetic loser like Orange Donny – Daddy has the GOP buy thousands of Don Jr’s books to get it onto the NY Times bestseller list. (History repeating itself – the Trump Organisation bought thousands of copies of The Art of the Deal to get it on the list, then had to find creative ways to get rid of them).

Sad.

And this sums up Donny’s whole career in a nutshell really. Never actually achieved anything in his life, unless you count being a prodigious liar and fraud constantly claiming great achievements. Then he takes advantage of the gullible fools who believe his lies to benefit himself. The world’s greatest con-artist. And at the end of the day, nothing but a contemptible parasite.
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November 28, 2019 8:01am
- Inandout
  
  Feel better now Than. I know it is frustrating for you souls, but Trump 2020 remains. CNN calls you, go now.
  
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  November 28, 2019 8:10am
  - IC5000
    
    Trump won by under 80k votes in three key swing states which were Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.
    
    It doesn’t matter what the popular vote is or if trump wins Alabama the only thing that matters are the swing states and those electoral votes.
    
    So you come with this idiotic Trump 2020 seemingly without having a clue of how the electoral system works just demonstrates your intellectual weakness.
    
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    November 28, 2019 1:33pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Trump 2020 is the name of the Trump Campaign.
      
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      November 28, 2019 1:56pm
      - IC5000
        
        No shit.
        
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        November 28, 2019 2:06pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Yeah, well ‘no shit’ applies to the rest of your meandering rant.
        
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        November 28, 2019 2:16pm
- mikenmildagain
  
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  It is sad. Fredo’s book deserves a wide audience, especially his reflections on visting Arlington National Cemetery:
  
  “As we drove past the rows of white grave markers, in the gravity of the moment, I had a deep sense of the importance of the presidency and a love of our country. In that moment, I also thought of all the attacks we’d already suffered as a family, and about all the sacrifices we’d have to make to help my father succeed – voluntarily giving up a huge chunk of our business and all international deals to avoid the appearance that we were ‘profiting off of the office.'”
  
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  November 28, 2019 8:11am
  - softail 1450
    
    MMA, luckily for Fredo he didn’t push his luck to far with the guy that rightly called him Fredo as the guy was a national winner (USA) in his weight grade in some martial art,thats why when the guy said to him”what you gonna do about it” Fredo did nothing because hes a typical liberal ,full of shit and gutless when stood up to….
    
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    November 28, 2019 8:50am
    - mikenmildagain
      
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      And I suppose when you visit a war memorial it reminds you of your own achievements too.
      
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      November 28, 2019 9:06am
      - softail 1450
        
        MMA, I dont find it necessary to visit a war memorial to remember the brave men and women that have died in conflicts, It has been part of my upbringing to never forget those people that gave up everything for us who still live .
        A yearly visit to a war memorial on a certain day of the year while forgetting about it for the other 364 days pulls no weight in my Family…
        
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        November 28, 2019 10:06am
  - EuropeanCanon
    
    Fredo? Chris Cuomo wrote a book?
    
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    November 28, 2019 9:43am
    - softail 1450
      
      EuropeanCanon,I doubt he can write or read ,he’s in a never ending state of roid rage…did you see the f—–g idiot making a phone call to his Mum the other night ,FFS he’s a three time loser .
      
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      November 28, 2019 10:11am
- Billy Collins
  
  I hope you are charging Trump top dollar for all that space inside your head.
  
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  November 28, 2019 8:16am
- softail 1450
  
  Rather THAN come up with days old bullshit that has been debunked why not do what other unemployed jealous losers do and just stay in bed …Moron.
  
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  November 28, 2019 8:21am
- artemisia
  
  US economy going OK though.
  
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  November 28, 2019 8:22am
- JibberJabber
  
  Do you need a moist towelette Bro?
  
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  November 28, 2019 8:28am
- Zapper
  
  Never achieved anything…won a presidential election. I can’t wait to hear your achievements if winning an election doesn’t count!
  
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  November 28, 2019 9:36am
cut n paster

The Labour Party – It’s the same, all over the world….
https://ibb.co/tXbWkwT
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November 28, 2019 8:02am
- MCos
  
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  What is that, cut and paste?
  
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  November 28, 2019 8:09am
- PaulP
  
  Monty Python couldn’t have scripted his responses any funnier
  
  https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/11/26/jeremy-corbyn-just-gave-the-worst-political-performance-of-modern-times/
  
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  November 28, 2019 8:13am
- curry4me
  
  Excellent meme. Thanks for posting it.
  
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  November 28, 2019 2:11pm
mikenmildagain

Thirty years today Air New Zealand Flight TE 901 crashed on Mt Erebus, killing all 257 passengers and crew. It was a scheduled Antarctic sightseeing flight.
The initial investigation concluded the accident was caused by pilot error, but public outcry led to the establishment of a Royal Commission of Inquiry into the crash. The commission, presided over by Justice Peter Mahon QC, concluded that the accident was caused by a correction made to the coordinates of the flight path the night before the disaster, coupled with a failure to inform the flight crew of the change, with the result that the aircraft, instead of being directed by computer down McMurdo Sound (as the crew had been led to believe), was instead re-routed to a path toward Mount Erebus. Justice Mahon’s report accused Air New Zealand of presenting “an orchestrated litany of lies” and this led to changes in senior management at the airline. The Privy Council later ruled that the finding of a conspiracy was a breach of natural justice and not supported by the evidence.
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November 28, 2019 8:03am
- Jade Warrior
  
  However, the Privy Council, like the Court of Appeal before them, did not dispute Mahon’s actual findings as to the cause of the crash and they paid tribute to Mahon’s “brilliant and painstaking investigative work”.
  
  Mahon’s report would be a remarkable document even without the “litany of lies” phrase. Despite the complexity of the subject matter, his report is a real page turner. It’s well worth a read – visit erebus.co.nz
  
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  November 28, 2019 8:46am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    He got a bit carried away with the rhetoric. No one suddenly thought better of Air NZ after the Privy Council decision.
    
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    November 28, 2019 9:08am
- softail 1450
  
  MMA 40 years actually.
  
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  November 28, 2019 8:52am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Sorry.
    
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    November 28, 2019 9:07am
- Swifty
  
  I trotted out Morrie Davis’ daughter a few times many moons ago.
  
  Man, that was a touchy subject. I never raised it, but saw her go at it when others did.
  
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  November 28, 2019 8:52am
  - Ed Snack
    
    I had a girlfriend back at that time who’s father was an ANZ engineer. He had attended an ANZ social group function a few weeks before where there was a competition and first prize was 2 seats on the TE901 flight.
    
    When the winner was announced (it wasn’t him, luckily) and that person came up to collect his prize, the MC handed it over and said “you do realize that these are one-way tickets….” and it raised a fair bit of laughter.
    
    A lot of those who attended remembered that. The person who “won” did go on the flight.
    
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    November 28, 2019 9:33am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Swifty, that makes us two of a kind, because so did I and I’m still in contact with her.
    
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    November 28, 2019 10:07am
    - Swifty
      
      Goodo – hope she’s well.
      
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      November 28, 2019 10:47am
      - hullkiwi
        
        She is well. As you alluded to, she still feels the past. She is also very private about who she is and her family connections.
        
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        November 28, 2019 2:21pm
      - Swifty
        
        Good to hear.
        
        Yes, it was for her a difficult cross to bear – it seemed to me.
        
        I feel like putting on a certain Rolling Stones number now…..
        
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        November 28, 2019 4:06pm
- tf78
  
  Forty years ago.
  
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  November 28, 2019 8:59am
- G152
  
  The pet accident inspector who pushed the ‘pilot error’ crap was later killed while walking on a road.
  The consensus was that it was ‘pedestrian error’
  
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  November 28, 2019 9:07am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    He was actually walking on the footpath and was killed by a feral driver who lost control of his vehicle.
    Sorry to ruin your joke.
    
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    November 28, 2019 9:23am
    - calendar girl
      
      A “joke” that was in pretty bad taste in my view.
      
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      November 28, 2019 11:21am
      - G152
        
        No joke.
        It was what happened.
        If not get him to give you his side of the story !
        
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        November 28, 2019 12:04pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  My wife was working at the then Social Welfare and had to work with the Families including grandparents who suddenly found themselves having to care for their grandchildren.
  
  She also worked with Maria Collins the wife of Captain Collins who in turn had to deal with the blame attached to him.
  
  My wife was in her mid 20s so it had a profound effect on her over the period of time she had to work with the families and for a long time after.
  
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  November 28, 2019 9:25am
  - All_on_Red
    
    The Co Pilot Greg Cassin was my Check Pilot for my first Solo when I was learning to fly.
    On the down wind leg, I was a bit above the usual 1000 feet at around 1200’
    When I pointed it out he said “ being too high never killed anybody..”
    Nice guy. Awful tragedy.
    
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    November 28, 2019 10:03am
- Prince
  
  I don’t recall the exact numbers, but Air NZ tried to claim the pilot flew too low – the ‘official manual’ said to remain at some height well above Mt Erebus, whether they thought they were nearby or not.
  It was pointed out the Air NZ In Flight magazine, and other promotional material to sell the experience, boasted how their flights passed low over Erebus and Scott Base to allow passengers spectacular views. If pilots had followed the manual the Antarctic flights would have been pointless other that to serve meals and beverages.
  
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  November 28, 2019 11:33am
  - Jade Warrior
    
    Prince – at the Inquiry, Air NZ maintained that the minimum safe altitudes were 16,000 feet and 6,000 feet south of Ross Island. This was actually true but it soon became apparent that in practice, these altitudes were routinely discarded primarily because passengers wanted a closer look at the scenery. It was also proved at the inquiry that Air NZ was well aware of low flying in Antarctica and that they did nothing about it.
    
    In reality, the pilots of these Antarctic flights (including the fatal flight) were told in their briefings that they had permission to descend to whatever altitude authorised by McMurdo air traffic control.
    
    Like the pilots, McMurdo believed that flight 901 would approach down the middle of McMurdo Sound which is why they authorised Collins to descend to 1500 feet. Alas – the flight was 27 miles further east – right in the path of Mt Erebus.
    
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    November 28, 2019 1:25pm
rjay

According to electoral calculus.co.uk the likely conservative majority has plummeted from 80 seats to just 28 in the last week. What is happening there?
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November 28, 2019 8:05am
- Stephen Russell
  
  Because the UK uses the FPP system, a few votes can translate into a lot of seats. A small shift in the polls (which are very volatile) can have a big effect.
  
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  November 28, 2019 8:53am
  - rjay
    
    So are the polls shifting in the marginal seats more than others?
    
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    November 28, 2019 9:13am
plc

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/117677574/were-recruiting-to-supercharge-stuffs-climate-crisis-coverage

That is all
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November 28, 2019 8:07am
- rouppe
  
  “We’re recruiting to enhance our confirmation bias”
  
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  November 28, 2019 8:38am
Scott

Watching Anderson Cooper on CNN, so you don’t have to, one is struck by the anti – Trump bias for the whole 60 minutes.
34 minutes on Trump / Ukraine with only one pro – Trump voice who got maybe two minutes. The other guests plus the host are all in. Trump is guilty and has to be impeached. Whenever the pro Trump guy made a good point, the host made sure he jumped in straight away to try and directly rebut his points.

The host after 46 minutes claims the new CNN poll shows that 50% of all Americans want Trump impeached and removed! The next guest, a Republican says that he looked at the sample and the amount of Republicans surveyed was only 25%!!

At the end the programme featured committed never Trumper Max Boot talking about, you guessed it, impeachment!

So let’s sum up. One hour of a flagship CNN show had no other subject but impeaching the president of the USA. Two dissenting voices got 3 to 4 minutes total out of the 60.

Project Veritas has played CNN owner Jeff Zucker’s 9am call where he tells them to focus on impeachment. That’s all they do! The only focus on CNN is impeaching the president of the United States. Nothing else matters. They are not a news network, they are a partisan anti trump propoganda outlet. They are as “objective” as the editors of the communist party’s newspaper Pravda.
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November 28, 2019 8:12am
- Than
  
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  Whenever the pro Trump guy ~~made a good point~~ repeated one of Donny’s deranged conspiracy theories, the host made sure he jumped in straight away to try and directly rebut his points.
  
  Fixed it for you.
  
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  November 28, 2019 8:40am
  - softail 1450
    
    Than , “fixed it for you” thats what the doctor should have said to your dad about his vasectomy before you were conceived.LOL.
    
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    November 28, 2019 9:14am
    - skyblue
      
      Than’s dad had a wank, the flies did the rest.
      
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      November 28, 2019 9:43am
      - stigie
        
        Bwahahahahaha !~
        
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        November 28, 2019 10:06am
- mikenmildagain
  
  It’s almost as if impeaching the president is a major story…
  
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  November 28, 2019 8:41am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Sure, it is, and shouldn’t that mean that any organization that even pretends to be a “news” organization should present an honest version of the facts ?
    
    Was it CNN that decided that it “wasn’t in the public interest” to run a story on Epstein’s sexual exploitation, or on Weinstein’s ? Negative news of course should only be reported on your “enemies”.
    
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    November 28, 2019 9:45am
- Inandout
  
  Scott does the dour Anderson ever break into a smile, or is his face cast in stone? He may be gay but he certainly doesn’t reflect that in his nature.
  
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  November 28, 2019 8:42am
  - Batman
    
    You’re assuming a flamboyant stereotype there ?
    
    I know gay guys who are pretty cut and dry type of blokes.
    
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    November 28, 2019 8:46am
    - softail 1450
      
      Batman,I bet you do.
      
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      November 28, 2019 8:54am
      - Batman
        
        Careful now, if you want to start throwing homophobic slurs you’ll find yourself on a holiday from the blog.
        
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        November 28, 2019 8:55am
      - softail 1450
        
        Batman “homophobic slurs” what planet do you reside on ,or are you ashamed of your sexuality ?
        
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        November 28, 2019 9:09am
      - Batman
        
        Are you illiterate? Must be.
        
        I am not gay. I said I know gay men who are pretty straight laced.
        
        You seem to have assumed I am, and made a snide comment to that effect. Don’t try and wriggle out of it now. You made your comment in a negative context, as if being gay is somehow a negative thing.
        
        Keep your homophobic comments to yourself, or go back to the middle ages where that thinking belongs.
        
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        November 28, 2019 9:14am
      - softail 1450
        
        Batman,,,triggered and trolled and not the brainpower to realize when its happening to him,
        and WOW that was the best highly triggered response I have had for weeks ,you really a cretin batman.
        
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        November 28, 2019 9:26am
      - Batman
        
        Oh a fully realise that you’re a bigot, Softail.
        
        But I am not going to let your slimy little slurs against groups of people go unchallenged on here.
        
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        November 28, 2019 9:29am
      - John Warren
        
        https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3815998/
        
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        November 28, 2019 9:31am
      - softail 1450
        
        Oh batman, I truly hope you still have access to your safe space and that the handkerchiefs are clean in there for you, In more ways than one I wouldn’t want someone like you following behind me in a battle situation ,LOL,grow some balls and a sense of humour fool, stop with the perpetual grieving…….
        
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        November 28, 2019 9:36am
      - Ed Snack
        
        It is definitely a problem when a Mod starts threatening commenters based on his own strange little obsessions.
        
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        November 28, 2019 9:47am
      - Batman
        
        Both of you might like to read the comments policy.
        
        Nasty jokes about attributes that groups people have no control over are against the policy.
        
        I would also note that abusing mods in such ways is likely to a dim view of future comments that come close to the line, rather than the current stance which is very lenient from all of the mods and DPF.
        
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        November 28, 2019 1:54pm
- slightlyrighty
  
  One could make the same observation in reverse for Fox News. Mainstream media is so partisan that the purpose of journalism has been lost, and then re-defined to it’s detriment.
  
  Non Mainstream Media, such as social media, is less subtle about it, but just as poisoned.
  
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  November 28, 2019 9:11am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Fox actually has some hosts who are either neutral or even anti-Trump. None of the other networks has any hosts who are not strictly anti-Trump.
    
    It’s a matter of bias, and the US Media is particularly partisan. Some time ago they abandoned the old idea of presenting the news and letting the viewers decide and went with the new hotness of pushing the narrative that the Democrats want pushed.
    
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    November 28, 2019 9:53am
  - Scott
    
    Slighty righty – I would make a plug for their straight news programs on Fox News. If you watch Special Report with Brent Baier you’ll find plenty of news on impeachment.
    
    However you will find three panellists, at least one of which represents the mainstream media and liberals and is able to talk and get their point across. You will find a range of viewpoints rather than 24 hours of “orange man bad!”
    
    And you will find that they do cover other news as well. Things like unemployment is at its lowest level in America in 50 years. Things like the sharemarket has hit another record high.
    
    You will also find that there are other things go on in the world such as rioting in Iran and civil unrest in Hong Kong.
    
    The trouble with Anderson Cooper’s show is that he purports to be straight down the middle but his show is all about bringing down Donald Trump and making the world safe for Liberal Democrats.
    
    Fox news has a more balanced approach, they are more often shown to be correct on issues like who was going to win the presidential election? And their opinion shows like Sean Hannity are clearly differentiated from their straight new shows. CNN on the other hand is 24/7 Trump bashing on every show.
    
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    November 28, 2019 10:02am
    - Kabull
      
      Yes, it has always impressed me that Carlson and Ingraham,, particularly, seem to delight in having panels representing both sides of the debate. Watching Laura manage the competing ‘opinions’ can be very rewarding – and she obviously enjoys it too!
      
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      November 28, 2019 12:47pm
  - softail 1450
    
    Batman ,I havn’t got time to read the “comments policy” Im to busy laughing at your shit ,as I said get a humour transplant ,have a laugh now and then don’t spend your time self loathing so much,live it up FFS.
    
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    November 28, 2019 4:12pm
    - Vory v zakone
      
      but but but but but but but …
      BATMAAAAN
      
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      November 29, 2019 1:41am
lifesgood

I have been monitoring the Jacinda Ardern hagiography at my latest book shop. I’m in out of the shop regularly and the pile hasn’t gone down at all despite a prominent display. Seems it might have been a wanton waste of paper and must be close to going in the bargain bin.
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November 28, 2019 8:12am
- sooty
  
  Surely you jest? They were given a big box and they keep restocking the pile as it’s sold. Not too little, not too much, a pile just right, to temp the Labour supporters!
  
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  November 28, 2019 8:36am
  - lifesgood
    
    Nope. I don’t jest and nope, they are not restocking. The numbers have been precisely the same for over a week now and they have two large piles. No need to restock.
    
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    November 28, 2019 8:56am
    - sooty
      
      You mean the Labour sycophants arn’t buying for chrissie pressies. Maybe they all bought it when it was released, so that means they have all got a copy and unlikely to sell much more, other than Aunt Molly who can’t think of something and just loves Cindy and thinks you should too!
      
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      November 28, 2019 9:33am
      - Tarquin North
        
        Might get the mother in law (the oracle) one for Christmas – that’ll fix her.
        
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        November 28, 2019 10:47am
      - sooty
        
        That’s an idea, buy everyone you don’t like one for chrissie and Cindy will think that she’s on to a winner and quicly follow up with a sequal. Which will flop!
        
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        November 28, 2019 12:19pm
- Fletch
  
  Same as at my local Warehouse, it seems. I can’t see any copies going down, unless they are replacing them… Who the hell wants to read about Jacinda. Destined to end up in the bargain bin next year when Labour are voted out.
  
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  November 28, 2019 9:33am
- JibberJabber
  
  Is the paper too shiny for the smallest room in the house?
  
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  November 28, 2019 11:27am
Maggie Pie

“Get out now son, before it’s too late”

That was my partners advice to Constable Sean Doak after reading this in the Herald.
As he said, “Imagine if he had shot someone in self-defence who was coming at him with a tomahawk, like the cop did in Australia. That poor bastard’s now facing a charge of murder. The whole place is a joke!”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12288890
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November 28, 2019 8:14am
- MCos
  
  He didnt
  
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  November 28, 2019 8:45am
- Inandout
  
  Yes Maggy, while this chap is roasted the 90 year old woman from Levin has died. Meth is epidemic and Angry cuddles prisoners. Maybe it is time to get out of NZ.
  
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  November 28, 2019 8:47am
- JibberJabber
  
  So reading the article, our police force is so broken, another cop dobs this officer in for presenting a restricted weapon.
  And…the alleged victim did not even notice or suffer harm.
  Why would you be a cop when your colleagues are ready to drop you in the shit at ant given moment?
  No wonder morale is at an all time low.
  
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  November 28, 2019 11:38am
Maggy Wassilieff

4 folks involved in Climate-change discussions together..

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/11/27/apocalypse-deferred/
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November 28, 2019 8:15am
- coge
  
  Apocalypse not.
  
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  November 28, 2019 8:19am
- Tricati
  
  Wouldn’t get a role on Stuff’s new panel
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/117677574/were-recruiting-to-supercharge-stuffs-climate-crisis-coverage
  
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  November 28, 2019 8:34am
- Simon
  
  MSM climate doom porn is quite interesting. Its like 1960s Pravda how record Soviet tractor production will bury the West.
  
  There would be people in the Soviet Union eating their turnip ration believing the West is finished.
  
  Now NZ has a Climate Change Commission to help ration out the turnips. A reasonable number of cretins actually believe unless the turnips are rationed out properly the world is finished.
  
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  November 28, 2019 8:38am
- cut n paster
  
  News in from team Greta….
  https://ibb.co/CH9Tv1h
  
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  November 28, 2019 8:50am
Justitia

For the attention of the Statistics Department and other agencies: I am not a European. I am a New Zealander of European ancestry, just as Maori are of Polynesian ancestry. Stop trying to deny our place in this country. New Zealanders are a distinct ethnicity; we were created by the unique conditions of this country .
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November 28, 2019 8:18am
- tf78
  
  A quote I heard once “It’s not for you to make someone unwelcome in the place they know as home”.
  
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  November 28, 2019 9:13am
- KiWombat
  
  You get asked this question by a multitude of agencies. I always select either “Pacific Islander” or “Other.” Then add either “Kiwi” or “New Zealander” when asked for further information.
  
  At some point we need to eliminate this apartheid racial profiling !
  
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  November 28, 2019 9:26am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Yes, we need the NOYFB option in these racial questions. Or maybe EARP ‘eliminate apartheid racial profiling’.
    
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    November 28, 2019 11:45am
  - pb
    
    I agree, always hated those forms. It’s a trap. Identify people as white, then target them for elimination. Said elimination impulse comes from a feelz of “doing the right thing”.
    
    Spell your name wrong in the census, or flat out lie. Same thing for polling calls.
    
    That 23 DNA test says some of my ancestors swept up from Africa. I might identify African.
    
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    November 28, 2019 2:40pm
- Jules99
  
  I’m of British ancestry, so I’m offended.
  
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  November 28, 2019 1:31pm
- BobbyS
  
  Yes yes yes
  Well done Justitia
  I have been saying this for a few years now and I will continue to do so
  If you are born in NZ and you believe the NZer / Kiwi race is what you are a part of then that’s what I would like to be referred to
  Not a name created by another race to define me
  It is racist and divisive
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  November 28, 2019 1:38pm
oldpark

Well fancy that . It has now been alleged that the so called Phantom Racist abuser at the Cricket a few days ago. Wait for it. The abuser was one of his own countrymen with an English accent.It appears the abuse took place when the English Bowler could not take an early wicket against the Black Caps.
Yes that is really a possiblity, especially when the forward reputation of the alleged racist complaints by the bowler, were directed at the type of pop gun bowling being produced by Englands’ super star bowling.
From a NZ cricket supporters point of view that type of not very good bowling from Englands’ so called superstar bowler ,would be like music ,or better still a superb cold beer on a very hot day at the cricket.
Common sense would say the inept type of bowling performance ,could cause blind rage and anger from an alleged English racist comments abuser.
Maybe our fake news medias mad dog rush to condemn NZs being accused of the alleged racist attacks ,should now come out with some “mea culpas” Dont hold your breath.
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November 28, 2019 8:20am
- Inandout
  
  Oldpark, Peter Williams was so incensed he devoted a whole show to this ‘racist outburst’. What did Muldoon say about breathing through the nose in the early moments?
  
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  November 28, 2019 8:50am
  - hullkiwi
    
    He was repeating advise of Keith Holyoake.
    
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    November 28, 2019 12:01pm
- Justitia
  
  The fake news media salivate over any opportunity to pin the label “white supremacist” on New Zealanders of European ancestry. It’s all part of the vilification of “colonialism”, and also supports the process of “decolonization” being led by this woke joke of a “government” pandering to extremists on the Left. There will be much more to come.
  
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  November 28, 2019 9:11am
  - srylands
    
    I don’t see why New Zealand Cricket needs to apologise. They should simply say it won’t be tolerated, increase security numbers (they are paid minimum wage so they should be able to afford as many as they need), and eject and trespass anyone caught yelling any abuse.
    
    Well that is what would have happened 5 years ago, but we are now entering a strange world.
    
    This cricket incident got more media coverage than the mother of 8 who was murdered by her “partner”. (BTW so far this year 22 women have been killed by their “partner”. They are disproportionately Maori, and have large numbers of children to two or more different fathers.)
    
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    November 28, 2019 9:49am
  - Rodney Randall
    
    Another vile race baiting woke tool is the PM’s Chief Science Advisor Professor – Juliet Gerrard.
    
    At the beginning of the year she presented an image of white NZ Antarctic scientists gathered round a table, and said to the audience: “What is WRONG with this picture?”
    
    The unsuspecting audience (many scientists) sat eerily quiet and noone replied to the question.
    
    Out came the answer from a smug Gerrard’s mouth:
    
    “They are all WHITE, and MALE. and this needs to change.”
    
    Everyone in the audience remained silent.
    
    I suspect fear governs most. To speak out and challenge the assertion is to guarantee non-personing/memory-holing.
    
    Such is the all pervasive evilness that has infected every facet of every government department.
    
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    November 28, 2019 10:19am
    - Batman
      
      Oooooh, promoting female scientists, truly the work not the devil!
      
      Yes Gerrard is a lefty and a Labour person through and through but fundamentally there’s nothing wrong with promoting more women in science. Of course, they should be promoted or given opportunities to show themselves based on talent primarily.
      
      The science community is quite stuffy, white, male, and prone to group think. Nothing wrong with making sure we get our taxpayer dollars worth!
      
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      November 28, 2019 10:26am
      - Rodney Randall
        
        Except she didn’t go on to qualify the statement by saying the Antarctic Science community needed more women.
        
        She went on about ‘diversity’ quotas.
        
        It was evident that plenty of highly qualified women were in attendance from a variety of ethnicities,and more power to them! In fact there were more women present than men!
        
        It was the smug delivery of the prevailing radical leftist view that ‘whiteness’ is something of an anachronistic disease that, like cholera, has no place in modern life. To these Marxist hacks it has become a fashionable badge of honour to engage publicly in unapologetic assaults on ‘whiteness.’
        
        Not surprising really considering her ancestral home is imbued with white guilt.
        
        She would fit in well at New York’s Hunter College where their political science students can major in “the abolition of whiteness!”
        
        Or even better, maybe Stanford University, that has courses examining the abolition of whiteness as a cultural identity!”
        
        HOW WOKE!!!
        
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        November 28, 2019 11:54am
      - toby1845
        
        “Nothing wrong with making sure we get our taxpayer dollars worth!”
        
        Fully agree. So, do you agree that appointments should distributed in proportion to the net tax paid by ethnicity and gender?
        
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        November 28, 2019 8:52pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      To criticize the Antarctic scientists due to a factor that they have no control over (namely their biological gender) is surely sexist.
      
      Or maybe 50% of them could self-identify as women, and the problem would be instantly solved!
      
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      November 28, 2019 11:08am
      - sooty
        
        Only if they are allowed to use the female toilets!
        
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        November 28, 2019 12:24pm
      - Rodney Randall
        
        thanks for your comments
        Odakyu-sen and Sooty et al
        
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        November 28, 2019 2:37pm
    - Justitia
      
      Rodney this is where the Labour Party and others on the Left display the common heritage they share with Nazism, which was a version of socialism in any case. At High School in the 60s we were lectured on the evils of stereotyping people because of their race or other physical attributes. Film footage from the liberation of the death camps like Auschwitz accompanied these warnings. More than a few of our teachers had fought against the Nazis only 20 years before. It was even suggested that collecting race-based data was dangerous because it could be used for evil purposes in the future. Now under this Far Left “government” profiling is all the rage as its apparatchiks strut their stuff like petty gauleiters classifying people by race, gender or sexual predilection etc. The parallels with the 1930s increase every day. Dangerous times.
      
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      November 28, 2019 1:21pm
      - Rodney Randall
        
        Thanks for your comment Justitia.
        
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        November 28, 2019 1:53pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Lest we forget…
        
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        November 28, 2019 2:02pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        The battle between the proponents of freedom, on one hand, and the proponents of equality, on the other, continues.
        
        Freedom and equality tend to be mutually exclusive.
        
        Under freedom, inequality will increase as the cream rises to the top and the scum settles on the bottom.
        
        Under a system of enforced equality, there can be no freedom. Those at the top will be dragged down, rather than those at the bottom being raised up, and so in the end, everyone will be equally miserable.
        
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        November 28, 2019 4:31pm
  - cmm
    
    We’re so bloody racist we have to import and Aussie to kill Muslims and a Pom to yell at black bowlers.
    
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    November 28, 2019 10:19am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    It suits Maori who having been generously paid want more each generation.
    
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    November 28, 2019 10:45am
    - sooty
      
      The old maori have been paid with treaty settlements and paying themselves high wages. Now the you young ones too get paid too.
      Will they push the elders out to pasture or want their own suck of the tit?
      
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      November 28, 2019 12:30pm
- skyblue
  
  Whats wrong with throwing a banana out to a black player? We did it in the UK at footy games in the 90s.
  
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  November 28, 2019 9:46am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    What is wrong with you, is the relevant question here.
    
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    November 28, 2019 10:35am
    - sooty
      
      [Mod: deleted and a warning]
      
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      November 28, 2019 12:31pm
- pb
  
  This is the Jessie Smollett syndrome, scaled up. Have a good look at every person decrying racism. Many arsonists are firemen. Is it like Familicide? Where 25% of murders are within the family.
  
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  November 28, 2019 2:51pm
G152

In memory of the victims of Erebus and Air New Zealand.
Your memorial is the famous words “A litany of lies”
Rest in Peace
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November 28, 2019 8:21am
- Inandout
  
  G152, this was a tragedy, and a Judge’s career was ruined. Please don’t anyone say politicians can’t influence the judges in this country; Mahon sadly found out the opposite.
  
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  November 28, 2019 8:54am
  - G152
    
    In a word no.
    What you’re remembering is the fake news of the day.
    Mahon did his job and found that Air New Zealand and the then government lied their heads off
    
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    November 28, 2019 9:14am
    - Inandout
      
      Mahon’s later career was influenced by the then PM, that is not ‘fake news’.
      
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      November 28, 2019 9:41am
      - Kabull
        
        Absolutely. He was in line for a knighthood, as all judges of his seniority were in those days – but Muldoon said no.
        
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        November 28, 2019 12:52pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        High Court judges don’t get automatic knighthoods.
        
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        November 28, 2019 2:12pm
Komata

Than@0801

So you’re not a fan then?

(Asking for friend).
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November 28, 2019 8:23am
Maggy Wassilieff

Enjoying the Climate Coverage in Stuff?

There’s more to come…
https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/117677574/were-recruiting-to-supercharge-stuffs-climate-crisis-coverage
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November 28, 2019 8:25am
- Tricati
  
  Open and objective media, ensuring all sides of a debate heard (sarc)
  
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  November 28, 2019 8:36am
- brett68
  
  If that’s not confirmation that the government is stepping in to prop them up, I don’t no what is.
  
  A business currently up for sale wouldn’t be hiring new staff unless it’s found a new source of operating capital.
  
  With the amount of climate change and wokeness bullshit stuff now produces it’s not hard to see where the new life line will be coming from.
  
  Welcome to the socialist utopia of Aotearoa.
  
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  November 28, 2019 8:47am
- cut n paster
  
  I hope they undergo a grandma and speilling evaluation, cos the poof reeeding on Stuff is…. egregiously lacking…
  
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  November 28, 2019 9:48am
- Michael
  
  Pravda all again..
  
  “Stuff accepts the overwhelming scientific consensus that climate change is real and caused by human activity. We welcome robust debate about the appropriate response to climate change, but do not intend to provide a venue for denialism or hoax advocacy. That applies equally to the stories we will publish in Quick! Save the Planet and to our moderation standards for reader comments.”
  
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  November 28, 2019 4:29pm
srylands

The Victoria University Board needs to be sacked. Having been told not to change its name, they are proceeding to do everything possible to change its name. Look at the new website address.

https://www.wgtn.ac.nz/

It was previously https://www.victoria.ac.nz

“Victoria” is being downgraded to invisible in all branding. They are behaving like children who have been told “no”. How do they get away with this?
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November 28, 2019 8:25am
- mikenmildagain
  
  If I had just seen the web address, I’d have thought iof Weltec first. Is that what the vice-chancellor wants?
  They’ll just change the name by stealth over a few years.
  
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  November 28, 2019 8:43am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    That is absurd! Why would they do that?!
    
    Where is your evidence that happening elsewhere?!!!
    
    New Zealander’s pride themselves of playing with a straight bat, playing by the rules, ahhhh, bugger . . .
    
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    November 28, 2019 8:59am
    - srylands
      
      “Where is your evidence that happening elsewhere?!!!”
      
      Not sure what you mean by that?
      
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      November 28, 2019 9:12am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        I have noticed an insidious creep of New Zealand, as a name, being bookended to New Zealand Aotearoa.
        
        How long before it becomes Aotearoa New Zealand before in a ‘new minit’ moment, we wake up in the Republic of Aotearoa
        
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        November 28, 2019 1:33pm
  - srylands
    
    Yes and five years from now (or sooner) they will say “oh well we might as well change it officially now”.
    
    Imagine if a CE suggested to a Board that the company change its name from the White Pig Company Limited to the Pink Pig Company Limited. The Board says “no”. Then the CE changes all the branding to pink colours with “White Pig Company” in tiny lettering. He would be gone by lunchtime.
    
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    November 28, 2019 9:11am
- Evadne
  
  The logo’s bad as well. An enormous WELLINGTON so out of proportion to the the “Victoria” and even “University”, that it looks like a bad tourism ad.
  
  Hey everyone, come to WELLINGTON! There’s some cafes, and a stadium, a few shows. They make movies there. And some people also study some things.
  
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  November 28, 2019 8:56am
- Scott
  
  srylands – totally agree with you. Since the beginning I have thought the change from Victoria University to University of Wellington was really just a way station to the real destination of the woke crowd – its Maori name –Te Herenga Waka.
  
  I note that the Maori name appears prominently on page 1. Unfortunately we have in academia heaps of people who think that the history of this country is colonialist and racist so they want to get rid of all colonial names from the past such as Queen Victoria. They want to replace all those names with Maori names. It’s kind of an act of contrition for our racist past as they see it.
  
  Of course on the other hand we could say that universities are the invention of Western civilisation. That prior to colonisation Maori did not even have a written language. We could say that we are proud of the way that Queen Victoria and the Crown conducted themselves in 1840, signing an agreement with the locals at Waitangi to colonise this nation. Unfortunately pride in our history is in very short supply amongst the woke crowd at Victoria University.
  
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  November 28, 2019 8:56am
  - tf78
    
    If it wasn’t for the colonists there would be no TOW payouts – then where would they be.
    
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    November 28, 2019 9:19am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Perhaps as the English did not invent universities, their names should all be in Latin (or Arabic).
    
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    November 28, 2019 9:41am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Haven’t the Maori already been paid enough?
    They should be the ones feeling guilty for our exploitation.
    
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    November 28, 2019 10:48am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Maori don’t do guilt while the wallet is open . . . .
      
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      November 28, 2019 1:35pm
- Jade Warrior
  
  Having failed to change their name directly, the Victoria Board are now taking their cues from Whanganui and are seeking to change their name by stealth. The fact that the Maori name for the University is now in bigger type than the word “Victoria” in their logo speaks volumes. A Maori name is really what the Board wants to achieve.
  
  And what does their Minister think about all this? He expressly forbade a name change. Will he do anything now to stop this stealth-like approach? The ball is in your court Mr Hipkins.
  
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  November 28, 2019 9:00am
- Justitia
  
  @ syrlands: Karl du Fresne had the inside story on the name change by stealth in a recent column, as follows: “In my nightmare, the vice-chancellor of Victoria University has finally got the change of name he wanted. It’s now Te Wananga o Te Whanganui-a-Tara, colloquially known as Twot.”
  
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  November 28, 2019 9:03am
- freethinker
  
  Until the next National Govt cut their funding.
  
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  November 28, 2019 9:12am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Relax…
  
  It’s all explained here…
  https://www.wgtn.ac.nz/our-identity
  Victoria University of Wellington’s new visual identity embodies our values, our place in New Zealand, our bicultural heritage, and our history.
  
  Understanding our new logo:
  The teeth of a taniwha and and a wavy scribble
  
  (I added the wavy scribble bit)
  
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  November 28, 2019 9:21am
- BobbyS
  
  Speaking of name changes – anyone else note the very frequent use of the term Aotearoa instead of New Zealand in print & on TV in the past 2 years?
  
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  November 28, 2019 1:50pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Yes its some sort of concerted campaign to change our name by stealth.
    It really turns me off who ever says it.
    
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    November 28, 2019 2:50pm
  - suzieq
    
    Radio NZ does it all the time now. I don’t believe it’s for a state broadcaster to take this kind of lead.
    
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    November 28, 2019 9:50pm
Maggie Pie

I always work on the basis that you’re never too important to be nice to people.
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November 28, 2019 8:28am
- MCos
  
  A lot of people work on the principle they’re too important to be nice to those of a lesser standing.
  
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  November 28, 2019 9:09am
srylands

https://interactives.stuff.co.nz/2019/11/south-dunedin-climate-change-sea-level-rise/

This is so misleading. The floods of 2015 in South Dunedin have nothing to do with climate change induced sea level rise. They were caused by record rainfall and the fact that most of this part of Dunedin is built on a swamp. Just like much of Christchurch, houses should never have been built there.

It is not the sea that is flooding these houses. It is rainfall. There are no economic solutions.
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November 28, 2019 8:32am
- mandk
  
  The Stuff article also includes a painting of the area from 1864, showing that it was largely under water.
  
  I suspect the ODT archives also include stories about the area flooding in the 1870s, 1880s, 1890s, and every other decade until now.
  
  Previous Stuff articles have lamented coastal developments elsewhere being inundated, blaming climate change while simultaneously noting that there is subsidence going on.
  
  Whoever writes these articles needs to engage their brain.
  
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  November 28, 2019 9:06am
- greybeard
  
  The article does actually attribute the problem to rainfall, especially the runoff from the surrounding high ground.
  Also that the low-lying land is sinking.
  I thought it a good article.
  
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  November 28, 2019 9:39am
- Nermal
  
  I remember as a uni student the floods of 1968. I think the blamed that one on the Musselburgh pumping station breaking down during heavy rain. No one mentioned ‘climate change’
  
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  November 28, 2019 3:41pm
surfing

New Tauranga mayor , Tenby powell makes his first big mistake.

In Tauranga, I am forced to pay for private collection and council waste collection.

The council waste collection is for bottles only, and they give us a tiny bin that is next to useless which gets collected every 2 weeks.

Council are expanding their collection service to collect ‘food scraps’ and some plastics. Not only will I have to pay more for this service, I’ll still need to continue to pay environmental green bins $600 a year .

Council are just hoisting duplicate costs on us, that are not needed!

The made a survey , but it is a terrible survey.. it does not even capture the biggest gripe about this service — duplicate collection costs.
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November 28, 2019 8:43am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Auckland will be pleased to trade Stephen Town with Tauranga for a box of Tui and a packet of crisps so he can solve the city’s financial issues . . .
  
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  November 28, 2019 9:03am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Comes will a free Goff . . .
    
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    November 28, 2019 9:04am
  - Paulus
    
    Stephen Town was CEO of Tauranga and was a shining example of how to help bankrupt a City.
    Good Luck Auckland -Tauranga still reeling with the remains part of his legacy.
    
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    November 28, 2019 1:24pm
- Colville
  
  Typical of a Council.
  
  Only ask the question they already know the answer to or in a way that they can only get the answer they want.
  
  If there is any chance that you will disagree with what they want to do your invitation to the seminar will get lost or arrive the day after submissions closed.
  
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  November 28, 2019 9:04am
- Jules99
  
  Same in Auckland. Many of the elderly residents down my road compost their food scraps on their property. But we all have to pay the extra ‘targeted rate’ to have food scraps collected by the council for composting. I would say around a third of residents put the food scraps bin out, but every one of them will be paying the extra charge. Plus of course, there is the environmental harm of around 4-5 trucks travelling around all the roads for all the different collections. The extra pollution and road wear are not even considered.
  
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  November 28, 2019 9:06am
- EuropeanCanon
  
  Pretty crappy service we have to pay for here in Tauranga. My mother lives in the Black Power enclave known as Whakatane and their wheelie bins are all council provided. Over here in Tauranga its all private bins and prepaid bags. Just the bottle collection is covered as you note. Pretty hopeless.
  
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  November 28, 2019 9:06am
  - Random T Person
    
    Settle down there, buddy, we got some Mongrel Mob here in Whakatown, too.
    
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    November 28, 2019 9:34am
    - EuropeanCanon
      
      Heh I thought the Mob was mainly Kawerau. Or maybe they just sell meth there lol
      
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      November 28, 2019 7:49pm
Maggie Pie

One of the girls on my shift sent me this link last night: https://swimply.com

She wondered what i thought about the idea of letting strangers use our swimming pool for an hourly fee during the summer. Sounds sort of similar to an AirBnB arrangement
I ran it by my partner this morning – and he turned apoplectic! “Imagine if you had a car load of people arrive from say the likes of Mt Roskill or somewhere? They’d all want to use the shit house, or piss in the pool. Half of them probably wouldn’t even take their robes off before getting in. FFS woman, what are you thinking!!”

Goodness, I only asked 🙁
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November 28, 2019 8:55am
- sooty
  
  So are they going to chuck everbody out so you get your hour!
  If you get to swim in the pool with others, how do they know when your hour is up?
  Pools I have been to in the past, you pay your money and stay as long as you want!
  
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  November 28, 2019 9:44am
- Jules99
  
  Might be a good way of schools making money in the holidays.
  
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  November 28, 2019 1:27pm
Captain Mainwaring

Looks like Labour might step aside in Auckland Central to give Chloe a free run against Nikki Kaye.
I predict it will blow up in their face.
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November 28, 2019 9:11am
- sooty
  
  But then that might be a cunning plan.
  Labour could say, see you are just not good enough on your own.
  
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  November 28, 2019 9:46am
- cut n paster
  
  Like a Chinese grenade! 🙂
  
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  November 28, 2019 10:12am
- chaos
  
  Sounds like they are worried and know neither greens or nz first will get in
  
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  November 28, 2019 12:13pm
- hullkiwi
  
  They are working on the basis of the electoral situation in 2011 & 2014 when Green supporters voted for Ardern the candidate and Green for party vote. Whether this will work for them next year, who knows? Maybe DPF?
  
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  November 28, 2019 12:22pm
DRHILL

So GST will be added to internet purchases this week.
I suspect we will see local prices rising because of this. Since Amazon has started blocking of some website (Amazon Uk and JP for example) it will be harder to get items into the country. And because of this retailers will see this as an opportunity to increase their margins.
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November 28, 2019 9:17am
- alloytoo
  
  I’m wondering about this.
  
  The threshold for GST registration is $60000 pa turnover.
  
  One would imagine that is turnover which would be considered a taxable supply in NZ.
  
  People who sell less than the threshold on say Trademe are not required to register.
  
  I would imagine that Vendors who trade via Ali-Express (and other similar sites) who sell less than the threshold would also not be required to register.
  
  How much money could be wasted determining whether certain international vendors meet the threshold?
  
  Amazon and Google are very low hanging fruit, other’s not so much.
  
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  November 28, 2019 9:46am
- srylands
  
  I’m still in the dark. How does the government compel overseas companies to collect New Zealand GST?
  
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  November 28, 2019 11:16am
plc

I remember our PM saying during the election campaign that it was possible to be in politics and not lie.

She also said at/or around the same time:

“No new taxes”

“No strikes on my watch”

So her Government wants to increase landfill charges to encourage people to direct people to politburo-approved recycling centres. At the same time Auckland bus drivers are at a stopwork meeting today.
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November 28, 2019 9:18am
- alloytoo
  
  No chance of this increasing illegal dumping…….nooooooooo.
  
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  November 28, 2019 9:47am
- skyblue
  
  And bread workers.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12289050
  Let them eat cake.
  
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  November 28, 2019 9:50am
- cmm
  
  To be fair she said possible, not probable.
  
  It is possible to win Lotto, but not very probable.
  
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  November 28, 2019 10:12am
  - sooty
    
    She said she was youth adjacent as well!
    Holysheet said she’s more death adjacent!
    
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    November 28, 2019 12:38pm
DigNap15

Food scrap bins !
I hope people fill them with Nappies!

Cant people compost their own foodscraps
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November 28, 2019 9:24am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Or just do what we do – tie them up in plastic bags and drive over to the Glen Innes shops. There’s dozens of council bins there you can use.
  
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  November 28, 2019 9:40am
- BobbyS
  
  What about insinkerators?
  
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  November 28, 2019 1:55pm
  - DigNap15
    
    yeah I though most houses had one these days
    
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    November 28, 2019 2:47pm
    - sooty
      
      Do insinkerators handle old folks nappies as well?
      
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      November 28, 2019 4:12pm
lastmanstanding

Starting to think about my Christmas Wish List for Santa.
So far;

1. Let this be the last Xmas for the COL.

2. Let this be the last Xmas for NZF period.

3. Let this be the last Xmas for Labour occupying the Treasury benches until at least some time in the 2030s.

Let this be the last Xmas ever that the Greens get near to Government.
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November 28, 2019 9:28am
Fletch

Couple of builders scaffold around a clients car until he pays the bill…. lol

https://www.facebook.com/onthetools/videos/1029506157389345/
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November 28, 2019 9:29am
- sooty
  
  Good one, he can’t open the doors or the boot!
  
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  November 28, 2019 9:53am
Jack5

One of the woke mob at Radio NZ is sneering at Christians today by asking “what would Jesus do about global warming.”

You won’t find them making similar jeers about Islam.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/in-depth/404313/what-would-jesus-do-about-climate-change
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November 28, 2019 9:30am
- alloytoo
  
  Climate change poses no worries for JC, after all he can feed the masses, calm the storms and walk on water.
  
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  November 28, 2019 9:49am
Swifty

Farewell to one of my favourite people ever, Jonathan Miller:

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-50574472

And for his excellent documentary Athiesm – A Brief History of Disbelief see here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ad_fTX8rEKs
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November 28, 2019 9:31am
Maggie Pie

Lets see what Golriz has to say about this – waiting, waiting …

https://twitter.com/BabakTaghvaee/status/1199630782563848192
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November 28, 2019 9:32am
- kevn
  
  @Maggie…. Be interesting for this ayotol to have his turn at being ‘punished’.
  A strange breed indeed.
  
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  November 28, 2019 9:46am
- cut n paster
  
  Holy Sheet!
  What utter BARBARISM!
  If it were 1000 years ago, I’d be packing my saddlebags and crusading off to put these pagan heathens to the sword….
  But we don’t do that now… I’ll sit and write an email.
  
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  November 28, 2019 10:09am
Maggie Pie

And just a ‘call-out’ to the posters on here who gave me some FAB recipes for roasting my leg of pork. Rubbed in heaps of salt, blasted it on 250c for half an hour, then poured warmed milk in the tray half way up the meat and slow cooked on 120c for about 3 hours. Beautiful crack and flesh fell off the bone!
Only thing was, i noticed it was covered in spiky white hairs, so borrowed my partners razor and shaved them off. [Thought it best not to tell him 😀 ]
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November 28, 2019 9:59am
- Swifty
  
  Well done.
  
  A quick way to remove the hairs is flame – either your brulee torch or a cig lighter.
  
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  November 28, 2019 10:50am
  - Rich Prick
    
    I hope those aren’t instructions for a Brazilian.
    
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    November 28, 2019 12:17pm
    - sooty
      
      Don’t worry Maggie Pie. We won’t tell him, your secerts safe with us!
      
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      November 28, 2019 12:41pm
- IC5000
  
  > so borrowed my partners razor and shaved them off.
  
  That’s gross when you think about what he was potentially shaving and what you transferred to food that your family ate.
  
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  November 28, 2019 11:25am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    LOL!! I wasn’t even talking about the pork, Silly!
    
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    November 28, 2019 11:38am
    - IC5000
      
      Nice but that’s not what your wrote. Please tell us you changed the razer head prior to doing this. I feel sick at thought of exfoliated scrotum skin on pork crackle being fed to your family.
      
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      November 28, 2019 2:13pm
      - Swifty
        
        Harden up man!
        
        🙂
        
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        November 28, 2019 4:08pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        I don’t think he can Swifty – which probably explains why he’s angry all the time.
        
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        November 28, 2019 4:49pm
      - IC5000
        
        @ All_on_Red
        
        No true, your Grindr profile pictures worked for me.
        
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        November 28, 2019 5:25pm
slightlyrighty

So we are still banging on about a Gender Pay Gap.

This is bullshit. I will maintain it is bullshit until someone presents me with a legal employment agreement which states that a person is being payed more or less simply on the basis of Gender.
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November 28, 2019 10:12am
- cmm
  
  Logic is part of the patriarchy. Please use your feelz.
  
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  November 28, 2019 10:31am
fightingtemeraire

Newshub is reporting that the Labour Party youth camp person has been discharged without conviction
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November 28, 2019 10:14am
- plc
  
  “On Thursday at the Auckland District Court, Judge Russell Collins discharged the man without conviction and did not grant him permanent name suppression.
  
  However, defence counsel Emma Priest immediately appealed the judge’s decision.”
  
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  November 28, 2019 10:40am
  - sooty
    
    Hello, hello, that judge has been told he is been watched and does not want to upset too many people as it could all go to appeal because he’s a Labour toady!
    How come the pervert was only charged for putting his hands down male pants and not the females pants?
    Are female pants a much worse crime?
    So suspression is been appealed!
    It’s not over till the fat lady sings!
    
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    November 28, 2019 12:50pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Ah, didn’t you follow the court case?
      
      The Defence lawyer Emma Priest said that one of the girls “wanted it” and in the other case nothing happened.
      
      Priest said the accused had a complete defence to the fourth charge, an allegation of unwanted kissing.
      
      “She wanted it,” Priest said. “There is no indecent assault here.”
      
      The final allegation of groping has been described by the complainant as an “intentional fumble”, the court heard.
      
      Priest said her client doesn’t recall any such incident but “is adamant he did not sexually assault her”.
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12263955
      
      Since the youth pleaded guilty to 2 assault charges against the males half-way through the court case, the 2 females are left being painted as liars or wanton hussies.
      
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      November 28, 2019 1:45pm
      - sooty
        
        Labour to a tee!
        
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        November 28, 2019 4:09pm
- artemisia
  
  Is anything stopping victims speaking up about their own experience if they were not part of the court case?
  
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  November 28, 2019 12:57pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    One was on with HDP just after 5. He is not allowed to be named. I hope that Judge Collins rejected name suppression and it is up for appeal.
    
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    November 28, 2019 5:20pm
Fletch

Surprise, surprise….

Man who assaulted teenagers at Young Labour camp discharged without conviction

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/11/man-who-assaulted-teenagers-at-young-labour-camp-discharged-without-conviction.html
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November 28, 2019 10:17am
- oldgolfer
  
  Staggering.
  
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  November 28, 2019 10:45am
  - alwyn
    
    I thought it was a truly magnificent decision by the Judge. It was worthy of Solomon at his finest.
    Put that man on the Supreme Court. Reserve the next vacancy for him.
    
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    November 28, 2019 1:31pm
- cut n paster
  
  Not surprised… Called it!
  https://ibb.co/jJn11pH
  
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  November 28, 2019 10:46am
- Rich Prick
  
  The Labour digital rapist will be breathing a sigh of relief, you can get away with fingering. Will there be a free-for-all at the next Labour camp?
  
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  November 28, 2019 10:56am
  - sooty
    
    I don’t know, he was only fingered for the male fingering and let off for female fingering!
    
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    November 28, 2019 12:52pm
    - sooty
      
      Girls don’t matter!
      
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      November 28, 2019 8:21pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Wow. So you just need to be pissed and somehow claim there was no sexual gratification, and you can get away with putting your hand down people’s pants. So much for #metoo and really caring about victims:
  
  “Judge Russell Collins, relaying a summary of facts, said that the man was in a dining hall with a number of other people when he put his hand inside one of the victim’s pants. Later a group gathered for a photo and the man put his hand down a second person’s pants.
  The judge said a lot of alcohol was being consumed at the party and the incidents were “born out of drunken stupidity”.
  “I’m not convinced that what he did was for sexual gratification or for any perverted motive,” Judge Collins said.”
  
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  November 28, 2019 12:40pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    Apparently one instance was in front of one of Labour’s “Let’s do this” signs. With ambiguity like that, things were bound to go wrong.
    
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    November 28, 2019 1:01pm
  - david
    
    Would that be the same Russell Collins who is Michael Cullen’s brother-in-law ????
    
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    November 28, 2019 2:30pm
    - MrTips
      
      Apparently. Hamish Price reckons it is. But then Hamish has gone woke of late.
      
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      November 28, 2019 6:27pm
cmm

Fingergate is over. Charges dropped!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12289079

Too close to the top?
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November 28, 2019 10:25am
- kevn
  
  @cmm… Who wooda thought a judge with such close family ties to labour hierarchy, would arrive at this. Just so accommodating.
  I wonder what the plea bargain was?
  At least the perp got the heave-ho from his Akld Uni job.
  YSB has joined the dots very well.
  
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  November 28, 2019 10:35am
  - cmm
    
    But the judge said he is a promising young man and he was discharged without conviction.
    
    AKL Uni will have to give him his job back + compensation for stress.
    
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    November 28, 2019 1:01pm
    - sooty
      
      So what was his job at uni?
      Deep in the trough at an early age!
      Them Labour family connections again!
      
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      November 28, 2019 4:04pm
  - Gravelroad
    
    Imagine if this had all played out at a young Nat Party event and when it finally came to trial, the judge had close personal connections to John Key and was a big financial contributor to the National Party.
    The left would go crazy and demand answers as to why the judge didn’t have a conflict of interest.
    Different rules eh………
    
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    November 28, 2019 1:10pm
    - NZDirect
      
      This is actually the most ourageous aspect of the trial!
      
      How can the balance of the NZ judicial system beleive this is a correct and proper process, when the presiding judge on a matter entirely to do with the Labour Party, is the brother in law of Dr Michael Cullen.
      
      Total sham!
      
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      November 28, 2019 1:40pm
- DRHILL
  
  So much for the Me Too! movement in New Zealand
  
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  November 28, 2019 10:39am
  - kevn
    
    @DRH… Yep, not peep from those NZF gals with (usually) plenty to say.
    Quite an affliction they have consistently doing the dead rat swallowing. Can’t be good their health.
    
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    November 28, 2019 11:47am
- Rich Prick
  
  My bet is that living in a consequence free world, the High Court will order permanent name suppression too.
  
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  November 28, 2019 10:51am
  - Bell-47
    
    The real take away is that’s it’s obvious you can get drunk and sexually assault people with absolutely no punishment whatsoever..right?
    
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    November 28, 2019 11:02am
    - Rich Prick
      
      Only if you’re connected to the Labour Party.
      
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      November 28, 2019 11:08am
      - Nickc2
        
        Can Judge Collins be hauled before the Attorney General and/or the Law Society for not recusing himself from this case due to his close relatonship with Sir Michael Cullen and thus the Labour Party?
        Surely, the Police (oh no, forget them they are also Labour Party tainted) or some other prosecuting authority declare a mistrial due the Judge’s possible non impartiality.
        
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        November 28, 2019 2:39pm
  - secondcumming
    
    All part of the game. At least we can ‘appear’ impartial.
    Justice Collins ‘dropped’ the name suppression but the decision was appealed.
    Yes sirree bob 😎
    
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    November 28, 2019 11:03am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Yes I agree….permanent name suppression is just a formality. He is bound to get it.
    
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    November 28, 2019 11:08am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      The judge has refused permanent suppression…
      
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      November 28, 2019 12:04pm
      - Bobba Fret
        
        Only at the moment.
        
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        November 28, 2019 12:54pm
      - Libertarians are right
        
        But it’s gone to appeal.
        The judge did the hard part – let him off without consequences. The Appeal judge can simply apply that ruling to give him name suppression.
        That way people will be able to pretend that the heavily Labour aligned judge didn’t act in a biased way and they still get what they want.
        
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        November 28, 2019 1:11pm
  - Happychappy
    
    So why is there no charges been laid against the Labour over alcohol a d excessive consumption when the Judge even called it drunken stupidity in his findings.
    
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    November 28, 2019 12:39pm
- fernglas
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  He was convicted of assault only; nothing about indecency at all. It wouldn’t have got to court if only those charges had been laid originally, so a discharge without conviction is the right decision. And the reason for the name suppression, if it continues, is obvious from the comments on this thread.
  
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  November 28, 2019 11:18am
  - Happychappy
    
    So if it was your child you be happy about that,when you shove your hand down someone’s pants without it being agreed to is sexual assault and someone from Labour has influenced a plea bargain and the Judge to have it down graded. So what chance has the young Parliamentary worker got that was raped by someone senior working in the Prime Ministers office.
    
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    November 28, 2019 12:17pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    So you’re OK with a drunk creep putting his hand down your pants? No charge? No indecency or sexual gratification for him?
    
    Why are you defending this decision that does nothing for victims?
    
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    November 28, 2019 12:45pm
    - Rich Prick
      
      No sexual gratification? I thought that was a strange conclusion, what was he doing, looking for the garment care label?
      
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      November 28, 2019 1:12pm
      - fernglas
        
        If you read the report you will see that it was the prosecution that amended the charges; it was a jury trial so the Judge didn’t make a decision. Implicit in that decision is that the Crown accepted that it could not prove the element of indecency. The prosecutor was there and heard the evidence, so I guess he might be in a better position than anyone on this blog to decide whether that was the right call.
        
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        November 28, 2019 2:05pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Of course the police were cooperating like that. They were simply doing what they were told to do. Get the charges down to where they can easily be discharged without a conviction.
        
        It wasn’t simple assault, the indecent part was done to at least one person who was under the age of consent, the charges should have been amped up, not reduced down. But I guess that would have been dreadful for any police prosecutors career, ignoring clear instructions of that nature.
        
        It’s banana republic stuff.
        
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        November 28, 2019 4:48pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    The judge however sentenced based on a lack of gratification as one of his reasons for letting the guy off. Gratification isn’t a factor in assault so shouldn’t have come into it.
    
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    November 28, 2019 1:29pm
    - Gazza the Giant
      
      There has been rumor’s of the judge being Micheal (snake) Cullens brother in law , I thought I would put this here , her name is Collins , and she was a 2 term Labour MP , this can not be a coincidence
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Fraser
      
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      November 28, 2019 5:22pm
      - Gazza the Giant
        
        To the loser who down voted me for this factual post m, can you point to what has disappointed you , or is it the fact I have pointed to the vile depths this scum Labour party will go to cover up their filth
        
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        November 28, 2019 8:23pm
- Inandout
  
  cmm, the internet is your friend on this one.
  
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  November 28, 2019 11:20am
- cut n paster
  
  Fingergate Pt2 – poking it back at them….
  https://ibb.co/9ZZW1TH
  
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  November 28, 2019 11:40am
mandk

I expect that “drunken stupidity” will become the standard defence from now on in cases of sexual assault.

It’s almost as bad as the “she was into rough sex” defence.
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November 28, 2019 10:48am
kloyd0306

Labour Youth Camp fiddler gets off.
So will the three meth girls who killed a 90 year old Levin woman.
So will the Labour sexual assaulter in the PM’s office.
Meanwhile, Angry Andy is suddenly silent.
Thanks Winston.
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November 28, 2019 10:55am
- JibberJabber
  
  Collateral Damage, thanks Little Angry man.
  
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  November 28, 2019 11:48am
- BobbyS
  
  Speaking of sexual assault – the report should have been released weeks ago?
  All gone quiet again
  When will the inept, bias, sensationalist media ever hold the horse face, cocaine snorting partner of, to account?
  
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  November 28, 2019 2:10pm
kevn

@Bell… Just be a close relative of a higher ranked labour member. No problem.
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November 28, 2019 11:04am
burt

The stuff article says permanent name suppression was denied – so we can name him now ?
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November 28, 2019 11:31am
- Rich Prick
  
  No, there is interim suppression while an appeal is heard.
  
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  November 28, 2019 11:33am
namron

Have to say I’m very disappointed, but not really surprised.
What stage are the Labour rape etc charges at?
Question Time again next week, perhaps some delving questions from the Opposition!!
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November 28, 2019 12:07pm
- chaos
  
  There are no rape charges, no complaints to the police. Everything is all and well in labour, just don’t get drunk, don’t pass go, and you won’t go directly to jail
  
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  November 28, 2019 12:48pm
- burt
  
  No problems unless you threaten to stand as an independent.
  
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  November 29, 2019 12:52am
chaos

Why, what a stupid government. Bringing in lower speed limits to protect kids around school, but it could take up to a decade. Obviously don’t care about kids or they would do it far quicker. Also the speed limit around rural schools should be 40 as well, not 60.

* Kids should feel safe walking or biking to school, the Associate Transport Minister said this morning as she announced blanket speed limit cuts around schools across the country.

Under the new rules a 40km/h speed limit will apply when driving past all urban schools, and 60km/h passing rural schools – although it could take up to 10 years for the changes to be rolled out in some areas.*

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12289068
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November 28, 2019 12:19pm
- cmm
  
  All permanent speed limit changes have to be run through parliament otherwise they are not valid. This takes a lot of time to fit.
  
  For example, when I first moved to Whitecliffs I asked the council to shift the sign for the 60km zone about 300 metres to add in a particularly dangerous corner.
  
  No can do. Parliament are far too busy sledging each other and avoiding answering questions to worry about a killer bit of road.
  
  I asked again a short while later when there was a death: sorry, MPs are very busy people doncha know! Oh well, at least the kids got to see the excitement of fire engines and a (too late) rescue helicopter landing at the end of our paddock.
  
  I also found out that the speed limit signs in Whitecliffs are left up all the time but, according to parliament and thus the law, only apply in summer (when there are lots of people camping at the Whitecliffs domain etc). During winter you can ignore the signs and go 100kph through Whitecliffs no worries.
  
  This is really stupid. This function should be decentralised. Parliament should allow councils to change speed limits.
  
  #disclaimer: I am not giving people advice to speed through Whitecliffs.
  
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  November 28, 2019 1:15pm
  - sooty
    
    That’s going to be interesting, how they going to fit maori and english on them signs?
    
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    November 28, 2019 4:01pm
Maggie Pie

I was supposed to be taking my partners mum Xmas shopping tomorrow.

She just rang and said it sounds like we might be better to leave it till NEXT Friday.
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November 28, 2019 12:52pm
- skyblue
  
  Why?
  
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  November 28, 2019 1:46pm
  - Fletch
    
    It’s Black Friday tomorrow, the big sales day we seem to have adopted from America (the day after their Thanksgiving). Not sure why, but there it is. Maybe an excuse foe retailers to have a big pre-Christmas sale. Probably not as big a sales day as Boxing Day (as people will still be at work).
    
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    November 28, 2019 2:21pm
    - MCos
      
      Making NZ great like America
      
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      November 28, 2019 5:21pm
      - chaos
        
        No, because if it was a genuine Black Friday sale it would actually be worth shopping at. But the New Zealand version is just a normal sale with Black Friday attached to it. Not even worth going to.
        
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        November 28, 2019 5:54pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    She seemed worried it wasn’t actually the 13th.
    
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    November 28, 2019 2:30pm
Cobolt24

An apparent jump in business confidence, not by much.

https://www.interest.co.nz/business/102783/good-news-government-latest-anz-business-outlook-survey-shows-broad-and-consistent
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November 28, 2019 1:40pm
- mandk
  
  I’m not sure how the improvement could be described as consistent.
  
  Perhaps it could if there was an improvement every month for at least three months.
  
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  November 28, 2019 3:48pm
curry4me

President Trump is rising in the polls. Demcrats in districts that voted Trump in 2016 don’t want to vote for impeachment. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5Rc5ckyK44
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November 28, 2019 1:59pm
- DigNap15
  
  Steve Turley is great
  DPF shodl read his blog every day.
  MAGA for 2020 its gonna be a landslide.
  
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  November 28, 2019 2:44pm
  - curry4me
    
    I do like him because he knows his stuff. However, the triumphalism grates a bit. Styx is good too, except for the language sometimes.
    
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    November 28, 2019 11:08pm
Poppa

What I don’t get about the drunk fiddler is, the judge described him as an impressive young man.

That means he can’t possibly be who I thought he was……..I guess he could be adopted
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November 28, 2019 2:01pm
- chaos
  
  Well it is impressive he got off, perhaps we have another Epstein in the making with that young, and just like Epstein protected by the elite
  
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  November 28, 2019 3:48pm
curry4me

Andrew Neil destroys Corbyn in a debate. Here are some snippets of it. And an embarassing leaked message from Labour HQ.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyDLdPo5XKo
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November 28, 2019 2:03pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Reports now from the UK that Johnson won’t be interviewed by Neil.
  
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  November 28, 2019 3:07pm
  - mandk
    
    links please.
    
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    November 28, 2019 3:45pm
    - chaos
      
      The only stories are from labour claiming it, the fact is that the bbc are still in talks with them for him to appear.
      
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      November 28, 2019 4:39pm
      - chaos
        
        Oh and a link to that just in case people are wondering
        
        https://twitter.com/BBCNewsPR/status/1199697628545650688?
        
        Let’s just add for fun where this story is coming from
        
        * Labour has expressed concerns about the BBC’s political coverage after it was revealed that Boris Johnson has still not confirmed whether he will subject himself to a cross-examination by Andrew Neil.*
        
        https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/27/labour-fears-boris-johnson-will-duck-andrew-neil-interview
        
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        November 28, 2019 5:33pm
Fletch

More strikes. This time it’s the bakers of bread…. ?
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November 28, 2019 2:12pm
Maggie Pie

My partner re-tweets:

“Who does this remind you of?” 😀
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EKVPWjOXsAYsRWn?format=jpg&name=small
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November 28, 2019 2:35pm
Gravelroad

So it is now 2.45 pm and already the story regarding the trial of the Labour Party youth cleared of several assault charges has been relegated to the third item in the national section on Stuff.
I have always been a bit skeptical of those who say that Stuff is in the pocket of the Government.
Now not so sure.
Maybe some big deals going on in the background?
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November 28, 2019 2:50pm
- sooty
  
  No Labour have spoken to their union members!
  
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  November 28, 2019 3:57pm
- igm
  
  God knows what is happening in NZ with this current unelected apology for PTPM and its CoL. When a useless, good-for-nothing specimen such as Ardern, can use Erebus to try and gain national attention it shows how low she is.
  All she is good for is grovelling to muslims, deadbeats, criminals and no-hopers . . . end of story.
  
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  November 28, 2019 4:18pm
barnacle bill

One thing we can say about Trump, there is never a dull moment.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12289070
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November 28, 2019 2:50pm
- mandk
  
  Yes, he’s great at winding up lefty journalists, progressives and snowflakes.
  
  Trump 2020.
  
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  November 28, 2019 3:44pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Like this?
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKdIz9gP1uI
  
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  November 28, 2019 4:05pm
rouppe

This is so funny in the context of Ihumātao.

I’ve never been colonised twice in one day.”

Two non Maori expressing a view about their place in New Zealand is another colonisation? Just shows Maori never want to acknowledge anyone else’s right to exist here.

“These people own this place,” the man said, gesturing to the TMA representatives who were present.
“They have the authority, not you.”

Funny how that didn’t apply to Ihumātao.
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November 28, 2019 3:36pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/117746516/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-apologises-for-air-new-zealand-erebus-tragedy-at-40th-anniversary-event

What the hell has this got to do with Jacinda Ardern ?
She wasn’t even born when it happened.
Just another photo op. I am surprised she never wore a hostie’s uniform for it.
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November 28, 2019 4:19pm
- igm
  
  She is a disgusting apparition and must be wiped off the political map next election. I though Clark was bad, but she did have a brain, this thing has nothing.
  
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  November 28, 2019 4:58pm
- chaos
  
  Dear Jacinda, please not apologise to the kids to that were sexually abused on your labour youth camp. Please also apologise to the staff in your office that were raped and sexually abused. Na that won’t ever happen will it, covering up far more than the public know about yet
  
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  November 28, 2019 5:17pm
- cut n paster
  
  Nope not a good hostess either 🙂
  https://ibb.co/n3VNyLR
  
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  November 28, 2019 6:24pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Don’t sexually assault those (drunken) girls you creeps.

In this year’s budget the Labour coalition government, led by Jacinda Ardern, allocated $320m over four years to combat family and sexual violence.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/28/theyarewasted-wellington-poster-campaign-aims-to-prevent-sexual-assault
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November 28, 2019 4:23pm
- chaos
  
  So the party that covers up sexual abuse and rape in their party wants to pretend they are doing something.
  
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  November 28, 2019 5:15pm
- Jack5
  
  The hundreds of millions will mainly go in advertising that will prop up Labour’s media mates.
  
  And this will be peanuts besides what’s on the way – at least in Lefist minds: a monolithic State-fed, State-led media conglomerate encompassing, State and private TV, State radio, and moribund a print industry that will cling to survival on State life support.
  
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  November 28, 2019 5:52pm
Jack5

The Mongrel Mob get into the discussion of the changes to firearms legislation …

The white PR of the “Waikato Mongrel Mob Kingdom,” Louise Hutchinson, has made a submission to Parliament’s Finance and Expenditure Committee in Hamilton.

She said the “Waikato Mongrel Mob Kingdom” contended that the focus of the bill had turned from the white, single disaffected perpetrator of the Christchurch massacre to the non-white community.

She said all shooting massacres in New Zealand but one had been carried out by white perpetrators.

Hutchinson said outside the hearing that the select committee process itself was racist and that the mob did not have confidence in it.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/404368/mongrel-mob-on-racist-legislation-guns-don-t-kill-people-kill-people
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November 28, 2019 5:46pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Oh noes, the Mongrel Mob has no confidence in a select committee. What could we possibly do to assuage their hurt feelings?
  
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  November 28, 2019 5:53pm
  - sooty
    
    What they doing with white mans magic?
    
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    November 28, 2019 7:00pm
MCos

Mildly amusing cartoon
https://theweek.com/cartoons/881132/political-cartoon-white-house-turkey-pardon-favor
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November 28, 2019 5:59pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  The Dotard has been out there claiming that ‘they’ want to change the name of Thanksgiving.
  https://video.foxnews.com/v/6109831732001#sp=show-clips
  
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  November 28, 2019 6:25pm
Jack5

This year’s police highway toll: Christchurch drivers fined more than $350,000 for too soon crossing over a bus lane to turn left at a busy intersection in Riccarton.

It used to be the fines for topping 50km/h rose about this time of the year to help police balance their budget.

It’s a toll on the law abiding. Every year tens of millions of dollars of fines are written off when the deadbeats either refuse to pay or can’t pay. Everyday citizens pay their fines, however. So the cops squeeze them.

Hat tip to Christchurch’s free newspaper, the Star, for highlighting $150 fine imposed on a former driving instructor for crossing over the bus lane to turn on Riccarton Road earlier than 50 metres before an intersection.
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November 28, 2019 6:25pm
- Jack5
  
  For Christchurch Kiwiblog followers who have missed their Star …
  
  The newspaper warns police CCTV cameras are installed on Riccarton Road at Deans Avenue and at Mona Vale Avenue next to the railway crossing.
  
  The Star says that since November last year the cameras have resulted in $369,000 in fines being imposed on a total of 2466 drivers.
  
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  November 28, 2019 6:41pm
  - srylands
    
    That is disgusting.
    
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    November 28, 2019 7:24pm
Swifty

Play that funky music white boy…..

https://youtu.be/TzsMqR1BdnY?t=1154

til you die…..
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November 28, 2019 6:33pm
chaos

* The Prime Minister has been accused by protesters at Ihumātao of “tokenism” and using Māori culture when it suits her overseas while ignoring Māori interests at home.

Newshub can reveal Jacinda Ardern was advised by her officials to meet protesters at Ihumātao nearly two years ago, but she still hasn’t gone and Newshub’s latest poll shows a third of Kiwis think she should.*

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/11/jacinda-ardern-accused-of-tokenism-amid-revelation-she-ignored-advice-to-visit-ihum-tao.html
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November 28, 2019 6:56pm
- sooty
  
  No. She should not go!
  It sets a precedent to protesters, if we do this Cindy will come! Then they do it every week!
  Next she will be turning up to union strikes and we all know the union own her arse!
  
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  November 28, 2019 9:15pm
srylands

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/117746516/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-apologises-for-air-new-zealand-erebus-tragedy-at-40th-anniversary-event

To be honest I’m not sure it is a good thing for politicians to make these pronouncements. They simply do not have an understanding of the issues. We will never know with a high degree of certainty the apportionment of blame for this accident, which is unfortunate.
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November 28, 2019 7:22pm
- MCos
  
  At the time of the accident AirNZ was wholly government owned.
  
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  November 29, 2019 7:31am
Hugh Pavletich

HONG KONG …

Trump approves legislation backing Hong Kong protesters … Reuters

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hongkong-protests-trump/trump-approves-legislation-backing-hong-kong-protesters-idUSKBN1Y12NB

Full of arrogance’: Trump angers China by signing bills backing Hong Kong protesters … The Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/27/trump-hong-kong-bills-signed-china-protest
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November 28, 2019 7:50pm
Jack5

No Ardern should NOT go to Ihumatao.

It’s brown-mail. A cave-in by the Government will set every Treaty “final” settlement up for re-negotiation.

Simon Bridges is right on Ihumatao: the protesters should go home so houses can be built.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/08/go-home-simon-bridges-message-to-ihumatao-protesters.html
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November 28, 2019 8:13pm
Monique Watson

Labour. One hand on your wallet and the other down your pants. Since forever. Regardless of any name suppression, that’s the branding Labour cops as fallout from the Camp.
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