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Good morning everyone. We’re starting White Ribbon week with the UN Day for the Elimination of Violence Against Women.
For the religious among us, it’s also St Catherine’s Day. She had an interesting life. Excuse the lengthy quotation, but some of these old-time martyrs really are fascinating.

A vision of Saint Mary and Baby Jesus persuaded her to become a Christian. When the persecutions began under Maxentius, she went to the emperor and rebuked him for his cruelty. The emperor summoned 50 of the best pagan philosophers and orators to dispute with her, hoping that they would refute her pro-Christian arguments, but Catherine won the debate. Several of her adversaries, conquered by her eloquence, declared themselves Christians and were at once put to death.

Catherine was then scourged and imprisoned. She was scourged so cruelly and for so long that her whole body was covered with wounds, from which the blood flowed in streams. The spectators wept with pity, but Catherine stood with her eyes raised to heaven, without giving a sign of suffering or fear. Maxentius ordered her to be imprisoned without food, so she would starve to death. During the confinement, angels tended her wounds with salve. Catherine was fed daily by a dove from Heaven and Christ also visited her, encouraging her to fight bravely, and promised her the crown of everlasting glory.
During her imprisonment, over 200 people came to see her, including Maxentius’ wife, Valeria Maximilla; all converted to Christianity and were subsequently martyred. Twelve days later, when the dungeon was opened, a bright light and fragrant perfume filled it, and Catherine came forth even more radiant and beautiful.
Upon the failure of Maxentius to make Catherine yield by way of torture, he tried to win the beautiful and wise princess over by proposing marriage. The saint refused, declaring that her spouse was Jesus Christ, to whom she had consecrated her virginity.
The furious emperor condemned Catherine to death on a spiked breaking wheel, but, at her touch, it shattered. Maxentius ordered her to be beheaded. Catherine herself ordered the execution to commence. A milk-like substance rather than blood flowed from her neck.
Angels transported her body to the highest mountain next to Mount Sinai. In 850, her incorrupt body was discovered by monks from the Sinai Monastery. The monks found on the surface of the granite on which her body lay an impression of the form of her body. Her hair still growing, and a constant stream of the most heavenly fragranced healing oil issuing from her body. This oil produced countless miracles.
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November 25, 2019 8:01am
- SGA
  
  condemned Catherine to death on a spiked breaking wheel
  
  And that’s why that spinning fireworks is called a “Catherine Wheel” (I kid you not).
  
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  November 25, 2019 8:21am
  - stephieboy
    
    Or the Breaking wheel last used as instrument of execution in Prussia 1841,
    
    The gory details here,
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaking_wheel
    
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    November 25, 2019 9:12am
    - mark15
      
      Pah.Thats a stag night in Scotland…
      
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      November 25, 2019 12:05pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  I’m a Monday person
  – said no one ever.
  
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  November 25, 2019 8:37am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Labour caucus say that because they really have no idea what day of the week it is demonstrated and shown by the permanently confused and disoriented policies and answers they spout
    
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    November 25, 2019 10:29am
- softail 1450
  
  MMA, Is this shite the side effect of a hard weekend on the pipe ?
  
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  November 25, 2019 9:09am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    No. Any further questions?
    
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    November 25, 2019 10:28am
- Scott
  
  That’s so interesting Mikey. You get an uptick from me! 🙂
  
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  November 25, 2019 10:44am
- Lizziep
  
  And you believe all that M&M?????
  
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  November 26, 2019 7:05am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Wait for today’s instalment.
    
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    November 26, 2019 7:27am
artemisia

Megan Woods plan to remove all prompt payment power discounts, but those prompt payers won’t pay more.

So power companies get estimated $45million less income, nobody pays more and some pay less. How does that work?

My suggestion is that the difference is deducted from the government’s dividend, or tax credit if the government is not a part owner. Government puts its money where its mouth is.
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November 25, 2019 8:03am
- Wangas Feral
  
  They are putting our money where their mouth is.
  
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  November 25, 2019 8:17am
  - jonnycomelately
    
    That’s the thing about socialism, it only works while others have money.
    
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    November 25, 2019 10:21am
- Prince
  
  Govt ministers are unique in that very few, if any, are competent in Maths, Economics or even common sense.
  We are expected to believe nobody pays more, some late payers pay less, and there is no change in power companies revenues.
  Voodoo economics Coalition-style.
  
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  November 25, 2019 8:20am
  - igm
    
    Ask Parker, he is an expert on everything, especially ruining the financial position of a business partner, whilst showing his incompetence in the field of commerce . . . he being the only member of this shoddy CoL that has any fiscal experience not using taxpayers’ money.
    
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    November 25, 2019 8:34am
- peterwn
  
  This is completely opposite to regulatory policy for credit cards. Credit card companies used to require that merchants accepting their cards did not offer a discount for cash or a fee for using a credit card. A Australian regulators stomped on this some years back and NZ followed suit.
  
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  November 25, 2019 8:24am
  - sooty
    
    I knew of one shop when they started the use of credit cards that went around and increased everything by 5%. So you were paying above the odds by using cash as it was incerased by 5%.
    
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    November 25, 2019 9:01am
- chaos
  
  Interesting, was talking to contact the other day about shifting our broadband to them, still undecided. They told us next year because the prompt payment discount was being removed power will be cheaper next year, hmmm, I’ll believe that when I see it.
  
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  November 25, 2019 8:24am
- srylands
  
  The power companies will just increase prices.
  
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  November 25, 2019 9:42am
  - peterwn
    
    And some people will not pay their power bill until the disconnect guy turns up. Local power company used to charge $5 extra if the consumer fronted up the cash to the disconnect guy.
    Power companies might find a way around it. Some air points or flybuys if you pay on time perhaps.
    
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    November 25, 2019 10:22am
    - igm
      
      Once again, honest hard working Kiwis being screwed to pay for lazy, useless, bludging Labour/Green supporters.
      
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      November 25, 2019 4:22pm
- kloyd0306
  
  The latte-drinking, avocado-toast elites in the Labour CoL are out to ruin businesses.
  
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  November 25, 2019 10:39am
  - igm
    
    These scummy left-wing leeches are going to be happy when GDP figures for the quarter are negative.
    
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    November 25, 2019 4:25pm
- JackRabbit
  
  Power companies will be enforced to raise prices because many make profits that are less then the discount percentage.
  
  She should stick to eating cream buns, and go and get a real job.
  
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  November 25, 2019 10:48am
- krazykiwi
  
  Woods, with her PhD in New Zealand History has the close to zero economic/commercial credibility.
  
  Make no mistake, this is a socialist government intervening in a free, competitive market in order to sure up voter support.
  
  I didn’t work out too well in Venezuela, and it won’t work out well here.
  
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  November 25, 2019 10:59am
- JackRabbit
  
  Really really bright is our Megan pie eater. Flakey as a $8 Danish pie, but a brain as empty as a $1 pie.
  
  She clearly does not understand basic economics. In economics they teach ‘The law of diminishing marginal returns’, and ‘the scarcity principle’. Hunger and food, in particular pies, are often used as an example.
  
  I suspect that if Megan did economics, it is highly likely the she mis-interpreted the theories of ‘The law of diminishing marginal returns’, and ‘the scarcity principle’. She probably only heard the bit about the pies.
  
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  November 25, 2019 11:01am
srylands

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/117668070/poll-leaves-jacinda-ardern-with-option-to-govern-with-greens-or-nz-first

Interesting times.
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November 25, 2019 8:03am
- chaos
  
  I did that survey, I lied my ass off in it.
  
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  November 25, 2019 8:23am
- Prince
  
  Interesting times when Stuff invents a new poll, not based on traditional random calling, but instead a pre-selected panel.
  It could have some relevance when compared to a previous poll of the same panel, but at the moment it appears they simply got their panel selection wrong.
  Still, Stuff doesn’t need a second chance to trumpet “Nats fall under 40%”, ” Coalition partners safe”, “Ardern loved by all” etc etc.
  
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  November 25, 2019 8:24am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    That poll was utter crap, and since it was sponsored by Stuff, even more so.
    
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    November 25, 2019 8:50am
    - stephieboy
      
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      Whats your idea of a reputable poll? One that mirrors your bias and prejudices ?
      
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      November 25, 2019 8:56am
    - barnacle bill
      
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      You need to get out a bit more Captain instead of sitting here in the KB National Party bubble all day long.
      
      Good things are happening Captain.
      
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      November 25, 2019 9:01am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Yet EVERY other poll has National ahead of Labour and Arderns numbers going south.
    
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    November 25, 2019 8:54am
- Justitia
  
  The poll took in the Labour-Greens’ triumph of achieving unanimous support for their Zero Carbon Bill which of course included National’s abject capitulation. Many regarded National’s action as a betrayal of the rural sector. It would be interesting to know the “undecided” percentage which seldom seems to be reported these days. Yougov polls have a mixed reputation for accuracy in the UK, although in 2017 they ran two polling systems including one that did not rely on the panel methodology which proved to be right on the money. There is a clear message for National regardless: don’t try to be more Left than the coalition and change the Leader before it’s too late.
  
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  November 25, 2019 8:56am
  - krazykiwi
    
    National finally lost my party vote over that Zero Carbon nonsense.
    
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    November 25, 2019 11:01am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      So I hope Act’s got it or we’re f**ked.
      
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      November 25, 2019 12:05pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Yup. I don’t agree with ACT on everything, but at least their leader will defend a principle no matter the objections. By contrast, National supporting the scientifically, economically and socially bankrupt Zero Carbon™ bill was an utter disgrace.
        
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        November 25, 2019 2:40pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Is this yougov poll based on their self-selecting panels where folks get paid to answer survey questions?
  https://yougov.co.uk/join-community/
  
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  November 25, 2019 9:53am
  - chaos
    
    Yes, I can’t remember who it came through, one of the survey companies. Some of the questions were stupid.
    
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    November 25, 2019 10:28am
Zapper

So Stuff has a poll out that is catastrophic for the future of New Zealand, if accurate. I may have missed previous polls, but how long has Stuff had polling and do they have a consistent record of accuracy?

I guess there’s no reason to assume it’s wildly inaccurate which means those polled have no level of incompetence and corruption they won’t put up with.
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November 25, 2019 8:07am
- G152
  
  Stuff are the epitome of fake news.
  And they’re reduced to advertising for viewers on their own channel…
  
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  November 25, 2019 8:20am
  - stephieboy
    
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    G152 , what is the epitome of non fake news? Fox, Breitbart, Whitehouse, eh?
    
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    November 25, 2019 8:57am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The COL is catastrophic for NZ. The more self deluded they are the greater the risks we take.
  Their actions to date have resulted in a PTPM, a Whinestone with a box of electoral ethical curiosities, cancellation of Taranaki, immigration being extended, a takeover of the RBNZ, Taxcinda mania, Muslim cuddling, Ihumatau compulsorily acquisition, protesters rewarded, water rights for sale to Nestle, Regal Jacinda, rule of law abandoned…
  Now faked polls.
  And they want more?
  
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  November 25, 2019 8:41am
  - sooty
    
    To get paid for electioneering!
    
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    November 25, 2019 1:35pm
- 3-coil
  
  Well if that’s the case, the poll shows that the public are happy with the proposed Labour/Green/NZ1st scheme to shoehorn RNZ+TV1 into one unholy conglomerate, Stuff/NZME merger no-go, and also to let TV3 wither and die. The CoL better get on with it while the people are supportive!
  
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  November 25, 2019 8:41am
- Lance
  
  That poll has Winston First at 8%…………………… bra ha ha ha ha ha.
  
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  November 25, 2019 9:11am
  - igm
    
    There not that many Zimmer frames and mobility scooters in NZ.
    
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    November 25, 2019 12:57pm
    - sooty
      
      Watch out Lance, Brian Henry will be after you!
      
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      November 25, 2019 1:37pm
Tricati

Labour must be getting desperate and getting Stuff to run an alternative political poll that shows some dubious results – Given the performance of the government over the last months the poll outcomes are laughable. Looks a bit like a ‘push poll’ to manipulate public thinking, but as the outcomes of this governments shambles starts to affect joe- public tax payer; no amount of BS is going to change the thinking publics view.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/117662933/labour-ahead-while-national-dips-below-40-in-new-stuff-poll
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November 25, 2019 8:08am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Quite so Tricati. Instead of the traditional methodology of polls, this one operates from a web panel. Quite how they put together said web panel would be interesting to know, as it is likely to represent established political leanings rather than being a random selection of potential voters. It reminds me of the former Horizon poll, which was hopelessly out of step with other polls.
  
  Let’s wait until the next round of Reid Research and Colmar Brunton polls, then assess the lie of the land.
  
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  November 25, 2019 8:21am
  - barnacle bill
    
    That is exactly what the 20 odd people said on KB the last round of polls.
    
    It will happen one day, if you keep waiting.
    
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    November 25, 2019 9:05am
    - Humble Capitalist
      
      This poll is way out of line with what every other poll has been saying with NZF. Bill, when every other poll shows a similar trend then you can continue to have your COL wet dream
      
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      November 25, 2019 1:24pm
      - barnacle bill
        
        Makes no difference to me as to who are in power HC.
        
        As I stated below, both are the same, fighting for the same space.
        
        Not sure about your comment re polls, maybe it is you that is dreamland.
        
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        November 25, 2019 3:52pm
    - Humble Capitalist
      
      Lets see if NZF are 8% in the 2 reputable polls then we’ll see who is dreaming Billy
      
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      November 25, 2019 6:42pm
      - barnacle bill
        
        We have heard your story re Winston Peters for so long now, it is like a broken record.
        
        Without doubt NZF will be back at the next election, whenever that may be.
        
        It will take more than wishful and spiteful thinking on your part for that not to happen.
        
        So Mr Humble, be prepared to be Humbled.
        
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        November 25, 2019 7:35pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  A Stuffed-up poll.
  
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  November 25, 2019 8:31am
  - sooty
    
    First poll by them.
    Why would you believe it?
    2% differance national verses labour but miles in the reporters mind!
    
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    November 25, 2019 9:05am
Nukuleka

Yesterday there was a post from one person who supports the state-sanctioned taking of human life praising the speech of another person who supports the state-sanctioned taking of human life who in turn is an enthusiast for the same state-sanctioned taking of human life.

I’d be interested to see whether any one of these three would support the state-sanctioned taking of the life of the murderer of Grace Millane, and would be equally interested to hear why they believe that the state should sanction the taking of the lives of some but not the lives of others such as vicious, murdering criminals.
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November 25, 2019 8:16am
- RW Capitalist
  
  I support and have always supported.
  Abortion law reform
  Euthanasia
  and
  The death penalty for murder, with exteme burden of proof.
  NB Grace Malane’s killer would NOT get the death penalty, under burden of PROOF.
  
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  November 25, 2019 8:58am
- Scott
  
  Nukuleka – I do wonder about the mentality of people who are quite comfortable with euthanasia for the elderly but think that capital punishment for murderers is barbarous?
  
  If you support that it’s okay to administer a lethal injection to a terminally ill person who has signed their permission then okay – surely it is not barbarous to administer a lethal injection to a person who is guilty of wilfully murdering another person?
  
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  November 25, 2019 10:48am
  - stephieboy
    
    Scott, nobody nor the bill is sugesting the elderly be subjects of mercy killing as you suggest!
    
    Deomonstate to the contrary?
    
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    November 25, 2019 12:31pm
    - Billy Collins
      
      Whether its mercy killing or not, there are people who think that some innocent people can forfeit their right to life, but people who are guilty of the most gravely wrong of acts can’t.
      
      It simply makes no coherent sense. It’s completely backwards. It’s what happens when we fetishize rights and then forget why we have them.
      
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      November 25, 2019 3:02pm
      - Lizziep
        
        While I support euthanasia to some degree, it is very simple to prepare an end of life plan. Everyone should have one as it is unfair on family to make the decision if they need to do so and you should do it yourself. I have one registered at my GP surgery and my next of kin has a copy signed by both myself and my GP in their safe. I have told my other children what my wishes are. I think it covers most scenario that can happen and I don’t regret any of my choices.
        
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        November 26, 2019 7:16am
Wangas Feral

Chloe Whatshername from the Greens saying that farmers need to be retrained for other careers. I suspect that she would like to see the state run farms so that environmental and other issues can be addressed by government bureaucrats who know so much better than pesky rural peons. Perhaps they could call it Collectivization of the Countryside or something.
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November 25, 2019 8:16am
- Ruahine
  
  She is right you know. All farming except for grapes and quinoa should be banned. After all you can easily buy any food you want at a supermarket. Thats wot I do.
  
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  November 25, 2019 8:27am
  - Swifty
    
    Heh.
    
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    November 25, 2019 8:37am
  - Ruawai
    
    And hemp and cannabis surely.
    
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    November 25, 2019 8:51am
  - sooty
    
    You checky sod!
    
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    November 25, 2019 9:07am
- RW Capitalist
  
  AAAAHHH
  the
  Pol Pot, Mao tse tung, Kim Jong Ill theory.
  What could possibly go wrong?
  
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  November 25, 2019 9:01am
  - Wangas Feral
    
    You forgot the Ukraine and Russia experiment as well.
    
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    November 25, 2019 11:06am
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  I wasn’t going to comment but reading that a politician in government is suggesting “Farmers should be retrained for other careers.” Sent a cold shiver down my spine.
  I’m just reading about forced collectivisation and early years of state run farms and it’s is horror. Starvation, imprisonment of anyone actually good at farming, hopelessness and abject poverty.
  Fuck me. In NZ a politician wants to decided who farms and who dies not.
  When are people going to fight back? NZ is so naive, so blissfully unaware of world history.
  
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  November 25, 2019 9:50am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    But but Padriv, what about all those impromptu hakas, the unfortunate face of our corrupted education system
    
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    November 25, 2019 10:35am
- rangitoto
  
  Green MPs need to be retrained for other careers. It will take them a lot of training to figure out how to apply for the dole.
  
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  November 25, 2019 10:04am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Haha, demonstrated by the wrinkled raison being incapable of filling out his benefit application on multiple occasions.
    
    Lawyer, my arse sonnyboy – Jim Royale
    
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    November 25, 2019 10:38am
- JackRabbit
  
  Unless they cut back on farming, however on earth are they going to create the food queues common to communist/socialist countries?
  
  And without food queues, you can’t control the masses!
  
  https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/food-queues-in-st-petersburg-during-the-weeks-before-the-news-photo/973199844
  
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  November 25, 2019 12:57pm
oldpark

Notice Angry Andy little who was in charge of safety security and working conditions for miners in Pike River when he was top dog in the EPMU .How did that work out.
Now he is off on another campaign thanks to his boss who selected him Winston Peters. It is all about social engineering this time Convicted Criminals getting a vote . Angry Andy has now become Andrew “Hug a Thug” Little.Suits him.
On the second part of his new campaign is his attempt to call free speech “Hate Speech” .Yes anyone who gets upset with hurty feelings or melts
under the weight of a so called sleight .
News for him and his sycophants.
A High Court Judge called Julian Knowles in London last week made a far reaching comment for Andrew “Hug a Thug” Little and whoever who wants to go down the road attacking “Free Speech’.
“The Right to be Offended Does Not Exist”. Comments reported by a so called victim,must always be recorded. Go figure that type of comment by a Learned Judge. All those who are fanatical in destroying “Free Speech” Comments.
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November 25, 2019 8:18am
- Ruahine
  
  “Hug a Thug”. You have nailed it.
  
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  November 25, 2019 8:30am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  Andy little who was in charge of safety security and working conditions for miners in Pike River
  
  Are you senile, or were you always an idiot?
  
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  November 25, 2019 9:19am
  - oldpark
    
    @MMA.
    Yes thank you for the compliment. Seems most people even “you” “madmike” suffering from dementia know Angry “Hug A Thug” Little was in charge of Pike River as the head of the EPMU. Then for you that is the breaks allowing you to try to hide the truth . Seems you dont like Angry “Hug a Thug”Little getting singled out as a clown . Same category as you .Been around any schools recently.or have you been discovered again.
    
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    November 25, 2019 11:29am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Was the union delegate, let alone a union official or union president, in charge of your workplace? Even back in the 1970s, when you were still working, that would be extremely unusual.
      
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      November 25, 2019 1:03pm
oldgolfer

I simply do not believe this result.
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November 25, 2019 8:19am
Sector 7g

Poll is a complete fraud. Read the article.
Online only.
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November 25, 2019 8:21am
- Gandolfo
  
  Right on. All the “men in our care” perhaps were asked to participate? More fake news. But, the sun is shining and the birds are singing and the beer is in the fridge.
  
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  November 25, 2019 8:29am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Sample set 50 COL MP’s
  
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  November 25, 2019 8:50am
- tf78
  
  Sector 7g : Yep, online only and conducted by a panel (probably selected by the Labour Party)- Labour really are desperate.
  
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  November 25, 2019 9:43am
Maggie Pie

We caught up with the neighbors for a drink and a chat last night. My partner came up with such a brilliant observation of whats been happening lately I thought it worth writing down to share with the group:
“We are living in an age where sanity is controversial and insanity is just another viewpoint – and degeneracy only another lifestyle”

[That’s part of what attracted me to him in the first place. He’s always had a way with words]
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November 25, 2019 8:22am
- Tricati
  
  A wise man worth keeping.
  
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  November 25, 2019 8:36am
- Fletch
  
  I think you’ll find it’s Thomas Sowell….
  
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  November 25, 2019 8:39am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Well at least we know where Tom got it from then.
    
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    November 25, 2019 10:32am
- SGA
  
  So your partner is Thomas Sowell?
  https://twitter.com/ThomasSowell/status/1099368103119650816
  
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  November 25, 2019 8:46am
- chaos
  
  And did you get to take your partner home or did you pull someone else’s key out of the bowl?
  
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  November 25, 2019 9:49am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Comments like that get sometimes get flagged as harassment.
    
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    November 25, 2019 10:31am
    - chaos
      
      Awww, did no one take your key again.
      
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      November 25, 2019 11:25am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    @ chaos
    
    My partner wouldn’t have a bar of it silly –
    the guys wife is a ginga 🙁
    
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    November 25, 2019 10:51am
    - chaos
      
      It wasn’t prince harry in drag again was it? There can’t be that many gingers
      
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      November 25, 2019 11:04am
    - Swifty
      
      Gingas – great in the sack:
      
      https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-redheads-are-better-in-bed
      
      https://www.sheknows.com/health-and-wellness/articles/1031967/why-sex-with-a-redhead-is-the-best/
      
      https://www.unilad.co.uk/science/people-with-ginger-hair-are-better-in-bed-study-finds/
      
      NSFW.
      
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      November 25, 2019 11:09am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        You should try goggling ‘Blondes’ 😛
        
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        November 25, 2019 11:51am
- Paginus
  
  What did people think would happen when they stopped following the rules of God and embraced the freedoms of Satan?
  Freedom is Evil.
  
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  November 25, 2019 10:26am
  - Swifty
    
    WTF?
    
    You sound like a fanatical Islamist.
    
    Are you?
    
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    November 25, 2019 11:05am
    - Paginus
      
      No, that is pretty standard Christianity.
      So are you an atheist and thus believe that tranny kids were predetermined at the onset of the big bang?
      
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      November 25, 2019 12:58pm
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        Yeah, nah – I think you do harbour Islamist tendencies.
        
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        November 25, 2019 3:06pm
G152

I see the greenpeace pirates are at it again stopping vessels on their lawful occasions.
May I suggest from now on we use Chinese and/or Russian ships to supply drilling rigs around the coast.
For some reason greenpeace stay away from ships from those two nations
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November 25, 2019 8:23am
- Tricati
  
  Take the ship out and drive it into the southerly swells off the east coast for a few days and just ignore the fact the pricks are there – Then claim they posed a Health & Safety risk to the crew and have them charged.
  Pisses me off the Police are ‘monitoring the situation’ and it seems now days you can break the law, trespass and its all OK.
  
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  November 25, 2019 8:39am
  - G152
    
    I would hose them down before sailing south for seven days. I hear its a titch cool around those latitudes 🙂
    
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    November 25, 2019 12:52pm
- artemisia
  
  Is there any reason this ship cannot safeguard its lawful operation by placing barriers around the protesters, then getting on with that lawful operation. The protesters have their own shelter, food and water. Nice tiki tour for them.
  
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  November 25, 2019 8:44am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  If it’s illegal to trespass on someone else’s ship, where the f**k are the police?
  
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  November 25, 2019 8:54am
  - sooty
    
    Hiding?
    Could have shoot some of them as well!
    
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    November 25, 2019 9:09am
  - G152
    
    Hiding so that liebor dont have full prisons ???????
    
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    November 25, 2019 9:12am
  - Sacha
    
    Watching their monitors, that’s where. I suppose at some point the ship owners will ask the police to remove the ‘protesters’.
    But I think I’d lock them up ‘down below’ and set sail. They could empty their toilet buckets out of a porthole – apparently they’ve got enough supplies to stay on board for some time.
    
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    November 25, 2019 9:38am
  - chaos
    
    * A police spokesperson said police were called to the protest at the port about 6am.
    
    “The role of police is to ensure safety and uphold the law, while recognising the lawful right to protest.
    
    “Police will respond appropriately to any issues that arise,” the said.*
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/117661151/greenpeace-protesters-occupy-offshore-supply-vessel-in-timaru
    
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    November 25, 2019 9:52am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      The Police also have a role to ensure that people can go about their lawful business without being obstructed by people illegally on premises.
      
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      November 25, 2019 10:33am
      - chaos
        
        There lawful business at the moment has been having a holiday for the past month. I blame the port, it was obvious this was going to happen, should of had better security on. Really surprised they haven’t tried to board the cattle ships when they were in.
        
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        November 25, 2019 10:40am
      - chaos
        
        Ok latest article has they were meant to depart tomorrow. But interestingly it states it is up to the owners what action to take next. So I guess the police could be doing what the owners want. Some have already left the boat. Why no protests over the logs waiting to go to China, lol.
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/117674538/protestors-will-stay-at-timaru-port-as-long-as-we-need-to
        
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        November 25, 2019 11:15am
  - Tricati
    
    Stroking egos at Ihumatao so the poor puppets dont get hurty feelings.
    
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    November 25, 2019 10:30am
- rouppe
  
  I reckon the ship should sail with them left where they are.
  
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  November 25, 2019 9:45am
  - alloytoo
    
    Hit international waters and charge them (and the organisation they represent) with Piracy.
    
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    November 25, 2019 11:35am
chaos

* Tread carefully if tax is back on the agenda

Taxes may well be one of life’s two great certainties, but public debate about them is invariably fraught.

The experience of the Tax Working Group earlier this year is but the latest, but by no means only, example of the difficulty of sustaining a dispassionate consideration of complicated tax reform issues through to a rational conclusion. That Working Group’s primary purpose had been to lay the ground for the Government, as per its election promises, to introduce a comprehensive capital gains tax, a purpose it had fulfilled with some skill.*

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/comment-tread-carefully-if-tax-is-back-on-the-agenda/ar-BBXfZiF?li=BBqdk7Q
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November 25, 2019 8:26am
- sooty
  
  Sullen Cullen, will be back!
  Has he ever left any trough untouched?
  
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  November 25, 2019 9:11am
- Ruahine
  
  Capital Gains tax is definitely back on the agenda. There was a heads up for bringing back this policy from the Green Party yesterday on this Blog. However CG tax is really a red herring as returns from this tax is often only marginal. What Labour and the Greens are really after is the ‘Boomer’ money.
  In weasel word parlance an Inheritance tax. Used to be called Death Duties. OK Boomer you’re next.
  
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  November 25, 2019 9:18am
Prince

Interesting to hear the Greenpeace trespassers in Timaru have the ‘full support’ of the NZ Police, on Radio NZ this morning.
I guess that ties with the other law and order trends under the Coalition.
NZ First have been well neutered by the Greens and Labour – they have lost any leverage they once had and have no option but to toe the line. If they break ranks now they know they have no chance in a snap election.
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November 25, 2019 8:32am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Are you suggesting that the police are condoning illegal trespass?
  On who’s instructions?
  
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  November 25, 2019 8:56am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Law enforcement? They are the taxi service for “men on their way to care”.
    
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    November 25, 2019 9:09am
    - sooty
      
      Cindys instructions of course!
      Mike Bush said so!
      
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      November 25, 2019 9:12am
  - Prince
    
    I believe their instructions come from Police HQ, which according to a Policeperson friend of mine receives a growing number of instructions from the Police “Support team” in Parliament.
    
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    November 25, 2019 9:14am
    - Prince
      
      Here’s just one example. Breaches of suppression orders in the Grace Millane case ‘will be punished’ says Andrew Little.
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/117672156/breach-of-suppression-orders-in-nz-will-be-punished–little
      Andy has his very own Police force to send out to prosecute crimes he selects, while ignoring trespass, electoral fraud, attempted and actual rape cases that don’t suit his agenda.
      
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      November 25, 2019 9:58am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Under the Regality of Ardern former laws are now subject to enforcement at A.R.’s discretion. Prince Wino Litigious assists.
    
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    November 25, 2019 9:21am
  - igm
    
    Bet the unelected incompetent PTPM has been in touch with its friendly chief plod who has issued orders not to upset these trespassers . . . same as there must be some complicit agreement not to name the Labour education camp child molester publicly because its parent is a senior Labour MP.
    Seems not too many people are unaware of the identity any longer!
    
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    November 25, 2019 9:46am
    - Ruawai
      
      Parent or step parent?
      
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      November 25, 2019 10:39am
- stephieboy
  
  “.. ‘full support’ of the NZ Police, on Radio NZ this morning…”
  
  ????
  
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  November 25, 2019 9:05am
  - Prince
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018723919/environmental-protestors-continue-to-occupy-ship-in-timaru
    
    1’40s in.
    
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    November 25, 2019 10:32am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I believe one of the protestors claimed on radio this morning that some of the police officers present were sympathetic to their cause. For some reason, this Greenie’s claim has been taken as gospel by gullible Kiwibloggers.
    
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    November 25, 2019 10:33am
    - Prince
      
      Can you point me to the rebuttal from NZ Police, or Govt ministers ?
      Is there any evidence they were treated as we would expect as people who are breaking the law ? Have they been issued with Trespass notice ?
      It would appear they have indeed been treated very well by the Police ‘negotiators’.
      
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      November 25, 2019 11:14am
  - oldgolfer
    
    I hope they are not pissing in the harbour.
    
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    November 25, 2019 11:55am
- G152
  
  Were I that master I’d be around a day into a weeks voyage into the sub Antarctic taking each day to wash the decks and superstructure down with the high pressure fire hose/s
  
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  November 25, 2019 9:16am
Swifty

It would be great if DPF or one of his staff could pen a few lines discussing the strengths and weaknesses of the Stuff/YouGov poll and the methodology they follow.

Without understanding it better, I just don’t know value I should place in it.
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November 25, 2019 8:35am
Rodney Randall

Timaru Police (useful idiots) with ukeleles in solidaridy(sic) with eco-terrorists.

Armoured vehicles with AOS squad officers roving neighbourhoods for hate speech.
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November 25, 2019 8:46am
- chaos
  
  Why blame the timaru police, they are only doing what the higher ups tell them.
  
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  November 25, 2019 10:21am
- Ruawai
  
  So presume they won’t remove the Mt Albert tree protestors either.
  
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  November 25, 2019 10:40am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Or the terrorists at Ihumatau.
    
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    November 25, 2019 12:09pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Cap’n, are you well?
      
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      November 25, 2019 12:34pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        I’m succeeding in pissing you off today steph so I must be functioning on all cylinders.
        
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        November 25, 2019 2:17pm
Maggie Pie

Mt Roskill resident to a friend of ours from Remuera 🙁
“Go to a white fu~king country”
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November 25, 2019 8:46am
- chaos
  
  Waiheke Island?
  
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  November 25, 2019 10:39am
atomic drop

[Mod – deleted. Do not breach suppression orders, and expose DPF to risk. Have a month off to think about things]
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November 25, 2019 8:47am
- Nostradamus
  
  Do you realise that you’ve just breached a court suppression order?
  
  [Mod – he did indeed Nostradamus, but he won’t be doing it again for a while]
  
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  November 25, 2019 10:27am
  - Nostradamus
    
    I wonder if the two downtickers (who seen to have downticked similar comments) would care to explain why they did so. Either they saw the comment (in which case they’re dumbfucks for supporting an illegal comment that included offensive commentary about someone who was murdered) or they didn’t (in which case they’re just plain vanilla dumbfucks).
    
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    November 25, 2019 2:27pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      two downtickers
      
      Aw, Gee…
      Looks like we’ve got 2 characters who want to get DPF and Kiwiblog into the poo…
      
      Hard to credit, isn’t it?
      
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      November 25, 2019 4:08pm
  - alex Masterley
    
    I cannot believe that an idiot would expose DPF to risk in this way.
    What a moron.
    
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    November 25, 2019 4:45pm
- Tall Man
  
  Has suppression been cancelled?
  
  [Mod – No, it hasn’t]
  
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  November 25, 2019 10:32am
- IC5000
  
  Isn’t the guys name still under suppression?
  
  And Australia isn’t really a different society compared to NZ having lived here for 10 years.
  
  [Mod – yes, it is.]
  
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  November 25, 2019 10:33am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Moderators
  suppression law being broken here.
  Is someone trying to get KB into trouble?
  
  [Mod – thanks for the heads-up. That post was unacceptable]
  
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  November 25, 2019 10:34am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Isn’t a name suppression order still in place?
  
  [Mod – yes, there is. So atomic drop has briefly exposed DPF to potential legal action, which is totally unacceptable]
  
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  November 25, 2019 10:40am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Well done, Mod.
    ‘atomic drop’ seems to be one of the lesser hinged among us.
    
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    November 25, 2019 11:01am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    So easy to find his name with a simple Google search, so why breach the suppression order by blabbing it?
    
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    November 25, 2019 12:11pm
    - stephieboy
      
      [Mod – deleted. Do NOT encourage other commenters to breach a suppresion order and expose DPF to potential prosecution. On DPF’s instructions, have a week off]
      
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      November 25, 2019 12:37pm
      - sooty
        
        Shit, mod why give atomic a month and stehieboy only a week?
        Just so we all know as the posts disapear.
        How do you justify the differance.
        It does not seem fair!
        
        [Mod – stephieboy challenged another commenter to breach the suppression order. It was DPF’s call to apply a one-week ban. Atomic drop actually breached the suppression order and named the murderer. That potentially exposes DPF to prosecution as the publisher of Kiwiblog. In hindsight, maybe he got off lightly with a one month ban!]
        
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        November 25, 2019 1:48pm
      - calendar girl
        
        Good point, sooty. Stephie got off lightly.
        
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        November 27, 2019 11:21am
- Garbageman
  
  Enough with the Boomer bollocks please atomic dropkick not everyone here is one and those of us that arnt are probably just as sick of your constant immature name calling as the actual boomers here at KB
  “Play stupid games win stupid prizes” maybe when you grow up life won’t be so cut & paste that you can be so insensitive to a grieving family and the killing of someone that was just enjoying life
  
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  November 25, 2019 10:59am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You can thank all of us Atomic Drop, we wouldn’t would to drop you into a bit of trouble.
  
  Anyone who breaks the law in New Zealand could face a fine of up to $25,000 or six months in jail.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/404031/breach-of-suppression-orders-in-nz-will-be-punished-little
  
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  November 25, 2019 11:43am
  - sooty
    
    Angry is wanting to try it out as well, to see if it works!
    
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    November 25, 2019 1:50pm
Albert_Ross

Fifth day of the Test, and England are hoping to salvage a draw.

At the end of day 3 the New Zealand media had all but awarded them the match. The situation was that England had scored 353 and the Black Caps were on something like 144 for 4. Now for sure, that wasn’t a great position for NZ, but it is nothing close to England being in “complete control” or the “total dominance” that the media were reporting.

Even today, Stuff’s main headline is not about how the Black Caps have a very fair shot at victory. It’s about how a former England captain thinks that the match will be drawn.

This isn’t balance, and it’s not objective. It’s actively and deliberately belittling and disrespectful to our own team. Why do they do it?
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November 25, 2019 8:54am
- Tony Stuart
  
  What a day Mitchell Santner had yesterday. If he can pick up two more wickets today, he will join Bruce Taylor as the only New Zealanders to score a century and take five wickets in a test match.
  
  And what a player BJ Watling has become. As tough as nails, fantastic ability to concentrate for long periods and he can probably now be ranked as our best-ever test wicketkeeper. With eight test centuries now, he is only one behind Stephen Fleming.
  
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  November 25, 2019 10:42am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    It would be good to see Santner succeed today. His test bowling record has been very modest, usually gets about one wicket for 40-50 runs per innings, and never had a five-wicket bag.
    Fingers crossed.
    I’d expect Wagner to be a bit tricky to handle today too, with some cracks and variable bounce.
    But if Santner’s looking good, maybe the captain should bowl a decent number of overs himself.
    
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    November 25, 2019 10:51am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      That ball from Santner in the final over, which kicked up from a length and hit Leach on the helmet, will have sent shockwaves through the English camp. I would hope that Williamson brings himself on as soon as Stokes comes out to bat.
      
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      November 25, 2019 10:59am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      And…Wagner takes 5/44 as NZ win by an innings and 65 runs.
      
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      November 25, 2019 4:47pm
      - Tony Stuart
        
        I don’t think I’ve ever seen an LBW as plumb as Broad’s one that ended the match; hit full pitch in front of middle and leg, with the ball cannoning in to the bottom of middle stump!
        
        On the basis of the performances of the New Zealand side at test level in the last few seasons, I think it’s fair to declare them our best test team ever. That there is competition for places is a real bonus.
        
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        November 25, 2019 5:01pm
      - alex Masterley
        
        Good result that.
        Hopefully a repeat of the dose at Hamilton.
        
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        November 25, 2019 5:04pm
  - SGA
    
    to score a century and take five wickets in a test match.
    
    Funny you should mention that – I earlier looked up how frequent that is. Not rare, but not common either (33 or so times in history). FIVE of those are Ian Botham!
    
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    November 25, 2019 10:56am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Because they are tossers and do not understand the finely honed English ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory
  
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  November 25, 2019 10:52am
Swifty

For the entirety of human civilisation nobody has ever done well financially cleaning other people’s toilets for wages.

Why is this? Primarily it is because nearly anyone can clean toilets, it’s easy work and hardly any skills are necessary.

Left to purely the supply of potential toilet cleaners and the demand for toilet cleaners, toilet cleaning will forever remain a menial, low-skilled, low-paid occupation that people should endeavour to do for a while to build up behavioural skills and funds before moving on to better and brighter things.

Anyone telling people that toilet cleaning, for decades, will position you well for your retirement is either delusional and in need of hospitalisation or a Labour or union official.

But what have we here?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/117621224/more-than-50000-working-households-live-in-poverty-new-report-reveals

Labour politicians and unionists want public sector toilet cleaners’ wages to be topped up with funds confiscated from taxpayers to levels well above market rates – all because they think ‘they deserve it’.

Four things are now very clear to me:

1. Labour and the unions are now absolutely blatant in using taxpayer money to buy voter support.

2. Labour and the unions have absolutely no regard for nor aspirations for Mareta Sinoti. They are totally happy that she cleans toilets for the rest of her life.

3. Labour and the unions have no regard for the responsibility they have to procure public services at best value/least cost to the taxpayer.

4. We are such a shithouse country for the way we treat toilet cleaners that we should immediately cease all immigration into NZ from the Islands so that we can prevent any more people from being ruthlessly exploited like Mareta Sinoti in this terrible country of ours. 🙂
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November 25, 2019 9:06am
- Toko
  
  These articles with real life examples never state the state transfers being received by the workers. Anyone on minimum wage with two kids will be receiving $276 per week just in WFF and in work tax credits. Which is significant. I think they would also be eligible for an accommodation supplement. The journalists should be shamed for just repeating a Union press release without asking what other transfers are being paid.
  
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  November 25, 2019 1:21pm
DigNap15

I’d sail the ship to the deep Antarctic and leave them outside in the cold with no food.
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November 25, 2019 9:12am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Your homicidal inclinations leave me unsurprised.
  
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  November 25, 2019 10:41am
softail 1450

I have a political poll that is 100% guaranteed correct, we had extended family around on sat night for a couple of drinks an BBQ, My partner made me swear that politics wouldn’t be bought up because of the split in family politics.
I said nothing at all but was astonished when even the devout lefties in the family are getting pissed off with this clown show we have running our Country, the worst vitriol was turned on the rat Peters who was condemned by everybody present.
It’s no wonder the cunning little shit is going on about “we are going to move the port north”
This f_____g arsehole mustn’t get another 3 years or we will be 3rd World by the end of it because of our cowardly,gutless PM who is scared shitless of him,,,,utter shame on her.
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November 25, 2019 9:20am
KevO'Brien

Under the Regality of Ardern former laws are now subject to enforcement at A.R.’s discretion.
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November 25, 2019 9:24am
hullkiwi

For all those that think it is a good idea to think of buying an electric vehicle.

Below is a salient story from Germany that we saw over the weekend on a German news channel.

It is the tale of a German owner of Tesla, who crashed his car in Austria three months ago.

https://www.rt.com/news/474190-austria-tesla-electric-car-ash/

Key points are:

1. The fact the car burst into flames in a 60kph accident;
2. How long it took to put the fire out;
3. Disposal of the vehicle.

I wonder if JAG and Shaw have factored the outcomes above into their desires to get us all driving cars with lithium batteries?
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November 25, 2019 9:25am
- MarkF
  
  I will say but two words; “Ford Pinto”.
  
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  November 25, 2019 12:08pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    Yes and Samsung Galaxy and Boeing 787 Dreamliner. All problems with lithium rechargeable batteries.
    
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    November 25, 2019 2:20pm
Maggie Pie

We were up a bit later than usual last night and ended up watching ‘Chicago P.D.’ on Sky. As my partner said, “It’s amazing just how attractive and well-spoken the female cops are compared to the ones we see here on Police 10/7”
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November 25, 2019 9:26am
- alloytoo
  
  Oh I dunno, our coppettes are still fit…….
  
  (They, of necessity, still need to meet fitness requirements)
  
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  November 25, 2019 11:44am
  - sooty
    
    In the past the cops both male and female have been as thick as a brick!
    You would think they would have the best and brightest because it is a means to employ people and show the public what they are about!
    Rather than have ones that have to take their shoes of to count to six!
    
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    November 25, 2019 1:56pm
Maggy Wassilieff

The MSM seems to be buttering us up for a Government buy-out of their failing businesses.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/117569065/why-the-outlook-for-new-zealands-media-is-bleak

It’s an existential crisis according to Russel Brown
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/117668894/new-zealands-media-landscape-the-future-isnt-advertising

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/117656301/should-the-government-save-new-zealand-media
And the answer is NO
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November 25, 2019 9:42am
- The King
  
  Oh the media constantly promoting degeneracy is a failing business.
  
  Nobody could of predicted it.
  
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  November 25, 2019 9:46am
- igm
  
  May many of these left-wing dangerous messengers of the socialist filth (they are not journos) find it really hard to find employment.
  Once they were given a second chance by going into PR in large companies . . . even these jobs are now unsuitable for these distorters of fact and truth.
  
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  November 25, 2019 9:52am
- chaos
  
  The media are all hoping for a bail out, their dying brands won’t last much longer
  
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  November 25, 2019 9:53am
- Jack5
  
  Maggy, an early step has been the taxpayer funded
  “local democracy service” which pays for eight reporters and a manager who supply local news to print newspapers and Radio NZ.
  
  Funding is channelled through the RNZ/NZ On Air Innovation Fund announced by the Government in the 2018 Budget.
  
  John Key opposed suggestions to merge TVNZ with MediaWorks. Let’s hope National digs in and fights creation of a Stalinist-scale State media for NZ encompassing radio, TV, and print.
  
  https://yournz.org/2019/05/28/local-democracy-reporting-service-announced/
  
  https://yournz.org/2019/05/28/local-democracy-reporting-service-announced/
  
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  November 25, 2019 10:15am
shogun

I’m a little puzzled by name suppression in the Grace Millane case.

In 2008, the whole country knew who Clayton Weatherston was, and it would be fair to say that his crime was equally heinous.

So it makes me wonder what it is that needs to be hidden in this case
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November 25, 2019 9:47am
- rangitoto
  
  I suspect the guy is involved in some other court case or cases as they say the suppression is “for legal reasons”
  
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  November 25, 2019 11:39am
- MrTips
  
  It’s possible Millanes murderer has another case pending and publication would impact that trial.
  
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  November 25, 2019 11:44am
- shogun
  
  It may well be that he’s on trial for another crime, if that is the case then it does make sense.
  
  But the full secrecy around this is bizarre in itself. Often the judge will provide some context behind their decision, but it seems even the reason is secret.
  
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  November 25, 2019 2:07pm
secondcumming

The question that needs to be asked…. 😎

What’s in it for JK?
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November 25, 2019 9:50am
- brett68
  
  Like Clark, he’s in bed with the Chinese.
  
  The Chinese are going to build the port up north, they need a transport hub for their Latin American exports.
  
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  November 25, 2019 10:37am
  - Jack5
    
    New Zealand isn’t a feasible hub for China trade with South America.
    
    On distances alone,without trans-shipment costs, consider:
    
    Shanghai-Auckland 9347km
    Auckland – Lima, Peru 10, 783km
    Shanghai-Lima via Auckland 20,130km
    
    But:
    Shanghai – Lima 17,142 km.
    
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    November 25, 2019 11:45am
    - brett68
      
      Soundings indicate that an ambitious NZ-led project to form an aviation and sea transport link from China through New Zealand and on to Latin America does not yet enjoy political support from NZ First.
      
      Parker did, however, raise the project during a bilateral meeting with China Southern Airlines chiefs in Guangzhou earlier in the week. China Southern gets the big picture strategy but also wants to bed down its current routes to New Zealand and ensure they are fully profitable before extending through to Latin America.
      
      Irrespective, Ambassador Wu Xi said the proposal for a linking hub provided great potential on how New Zealand could benefit from the BRI.
      
      Alibaba representatives also took the opportunity to pitch their proposal for an e-commerce logistics hub in New Zealand. But again, while NZ First MP Shane Jones — who is also Regional Development Minister — believes it has potential, the idea does not enjoy universal support from NZ First.
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12225644
      
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      November 25, 2019 1:02pm
lastmanstanding

Lets face it. NZ Pollies are for sale and always have been. All I want to know is whose paying them and how much.

Then I can connect the dots and see which laws and regulations have been passed to benefit whom.
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November 25, 2019 9:56am
Cobolt24

Bloomberg joins Democrats’ crowded presidential race
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/404026/bloomberg-joins-democrats-crowded-presidential-race
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November 25, 2019 9:56am
- chaos
  
  He is just wasting his money and fracturing an already very fractured party
  
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  November 25, 2019 10:36am
The King

One of these is “very disturbing” the other is not.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/117669670/very-disturbing-people-dressed-in-nazi-uniforms-confront-shoppers-at-australian-supermarket

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/parenting/big-kids/five-to-ten/103602258/helping-your-transgender-child-navigate-change
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November 25, 2019 10:02am
Jack5

What’s going on in the meat industry, that it can’t find local workers? Or is nearly everyone frightened to get animal blood on their hands?

In addition to Muslim workers for halal product, the meat industry is looking to bring in hundreds, perhaps thousands, of workers.

Meat worker used to be a high paying job, and among other things, helped thousands of young New Zealanders finance their way through university.

Some NZ slaughtermen work in Iceland and northern Europe in the NZ off-season. Apparently the New Zealanders do the throat cutting, the top of the tree in meat work. Workers from other countries do other processing.

This is one of the big industries still labour-intense, and everywhere in the developed world, finding good workers is a problem.

Scott Technology of Dunedin, which leads internationally in developing robots for meat processing, is now controlled by the Brazilian company that is the world’s biggest meat producing firm.

The problem is the non-standard size of objects the robots work with. Robots developed and being developed use artificial vision including X-rays and time-of-flight range finding.

I guess it’s a race between the robots and “manufactured” meat some people believe will replace that of slaughtered animals.
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November 25, 2019 10:09am
Brian McDonald

The trumpsters kept saying that Ukraine didn’t know the aid payment had been withheld. 400 million and no one knew? Well maybe not:
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/ukrainian-officials-give-conflicting-accounts-of-when-they-learned-us-aid-was-frozen/ar-BBXfefY?ocid=spartandhp
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November 25, 2019 10:10am
- The King
  
  Orange man is done this time! that’s it its over.
  
  Why are all top names in the impeachment hearing in that article all jews?
  
  Boomers rise up…
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOWjgJW9saU
  
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  November 25, 2019 10:18am
- Scott
  
  Brian McDonald – when it is all boiled down Donald Trump is accused of withholding aid from the Ukraine because he demanded that they investigate Joe Biden, his 2020 political rival.
  First of all even if he did do all those things, is it an impeachable offence? I actually don’t think it is. I think the Democrats have got away investigating their political rivals in the 2016 election absolutely scot-free. So using the Democrats standard it’s a perfectly legal thing to do that the mainstream media will never report on and if they do it’s perfectly fine.
  
  The fact is that the aid was withheld while there was numerous meetings by American officials with Ukrainian officials to determine that the aid would be used properly rather than for corrupt purposes. Once it was determined that the Ukrainian government was on the up and up then the aid was released.
  
  And when there is a Senate trial then the Republican senators will have a chance to call Joe Biden and Hunter Biden to the witness stand. And we will find out that Donald J Trump had plenty of reason to investigate corruption. Because there was corruption.
  
  No one believes that Hunter Biden got a seat on the board of the Ukrainian energy company because of merit. He was on the board because his father was the vice president of the United States in charge of providing aid to the Ukraine. Everyone knows that is wrong and corrupt! So that is the real scandal here.
  
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  November 25, 2019 10:55am
  - chaos
    
    https://graphics.reuters.com/UKRAINE-BURISMA/0100B32N28V/us-senate.pdf
    
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    November 25, 2019 11:23am
    - stephieboy
      
      The Senate allegations are at best vague , nebulous and unsubstantiated ,
      
      https://www.newsweek.com/pompeo-ukraine-obama-biden-military-aid-conspiracy-theory-1468909
      
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      November 25, 2019 1:11pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        The Dems in Congress’s allegations are at best vague , nebulous and unsubstantiated.
        
        There, fixed it for you.
        Poor Stephie.
        
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        November 25, 2019 6:28pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Scott , the telephone transcript could be understtod in this way,
    
    – We do a lot for Ukraine
    – There’s not much reciprocity
    – I have a favor to ask
    – Investigate my opponent
    – My people will be in touch
    
    Nice country you got there.
    
    It would be a shame if something happened to her.
    
    https://twitter.com/RepAdamSchiff/status/1176874772736749569
    
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    November 25, 2019 12:49pm
  - Brian McDonald
    
    Not sure Scott. My point is that in defending Trump people tell porkies and that looks like politics heading in the wrong direction – impeachable or not.
    
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    November 25, 2019 1:01pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      From your link
      ‘But on Thursday, Zelenskiy’s former top national security adviser, Oleksander Danyliuk, insisted that despite the alleged contacts with the embassy, neither he nor– as far as he was aware— the Ukraine president’s senior administration had any idea the assistance was delayed until it was made public on Aug. 28.
      
      Danyliuk — who headed Zelenskiy’s national security council throughout the summer and was present for the July 25 call with Trump — said he learned of the hold through the Politico article. If the embassy had known, the message somehow had not made it back to Kyiv, he said.
      
      “I didn’t know and I don’t think anyone else knew. And I should have,” said Danyliuk. “For us, that was a complete surprise.”
      
      A former finance minister with a reputation as a reformer, Danyliuk was responsible for helping manage U.S. assistance until he stepped down in late September. He said he had never received any message from Chaliy about the aid. If the embassy had known, Danyliuk said he was baffled why he wouldn’t have been told or if other officials were, why they would not have reacted.’
      
      Hmmm, maybe Chaliy is lying because the Officials who were the decision makers seem pretty adamant they didn’t know.
      How did you miss or ignore this part of the article?
      Youre quite old eh.
      
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      November 25, 2019 1:51pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I think the Democrats have got away investigating their political rivals in the 2016 election absolutely scot-free. So using the Democrats standard it’s a perfectly legal thing to do that the mainstream media will never report on and if they do it’s perfectly fine.
    
    One of these things is not like the other.
    The Russian interference in the 2016 election was investigated by the FBI and a special counsel – leading to comprehensive documentation of the interference and resulting in crimnial indictments.
    By contrast, Trump’s fantasies about Biden, or the ‘missing server’ in Ukraine, have never been referred to any competent agency for investigation, let alone resulted in any prosecution. In fact, as has been shown in the impeachment hearings, Trump wasn’t even interested in the Ukrainians investigating anything – all he and his confederates wanted was an announcement of an investigation.
    
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    November 25, 2019 1:35pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      The GOP Senate also produced a Report confirming Russian interference in the Election.
      We’ll soon find out about whether Burisma and Hunter Biden raised any official flags in the US
      (Burisma sure did in Ukraine), refer the letter in Chaos link.
      State have already confirmed they had concerns about Burisma and Hunter Biden and we know Joe Bidens office stopped any thing going further.
      And got Prosecutor Shokin fired. He’s back now though.
      
      And yes, Trump wanted to be assured that the new Govt would sort out corruption and for them to signal that in a Statement.
      Zelensky had already been reassuring them but no official Statement was ever made and of course we know the Aid was delivered actually earlier than due.
      
      As for the DNC Server. Crowdstrike did the analysis as to whether it had been hacked. They wrote the report which went to the FBI.
      No US Govt Agency has ever been granted access to it. In fact the DNC actively blocked them.
      Sounds odd huh, getting a firm started by a corrupt Ukrainian oligarch with Russian connections to check on Russian hacking.
      Personally I think it’s more Trump wanting the Server to check how deep the DNC was in paying for and arranging the discredited Steele Dossier- which really was an attempt to hurt a political opponent.
      Access was probably denied more to stop other info being discovered as well.
      External Agencies confirmed the hacking too though. (FBI?)
      
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      November 25, 2019 2:08pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        You don’t address the question of why the US government didn’t get any of its agencies to investigate these theories. As I pointed out, all Trump, Giuliani and co wanted was for Ukraine to announce an investigation. Trump has no interest in stopping corruption in the US, let alone in Ukraine.
        
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        November 25, 2019 3:33pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        The Senate has announced three investigations
        I think Trumps been a bit busy.
        So has Barr, Durham and Horowitz
        As you will soon see
        Lol
        
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        November 25, 2019 6:23pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        “Trump has no interest in stopping corruption in the US, let alone in Ukraine.”
        
        If you’re think that you’re not paying attention or your a biased lying Troll
        Your choice.
        
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        November 25, 2019 6:25pm
- Fletch
  
  After Trump’s phone call with the Ukrainian president, Volker met with Zelensky in the Ukraine (the next day). Then Bolton meets with him. Then Pence meets with him. Then U.S senators Johnson and Murphy meet with him. IN NONE of those meets did aid for an investigation come up. NONE. And Volker never believed aid for investigation was ever being talked about.
  
  It’s all bullshit.
  
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  November 25, 2019 5:23pm
Yvette

When Grace Millane’s killer first appeared in the Auckland District Court, Judge Evangelos Thomas declined granting interim name suppression. However, the defendant’s lawyer Ian Brookie indicated an appeal, which automatically imposed a 20 working day suppression order under New Zealand law. Because of the closure of courts over Christmas and New Year the name suppression hearing wasn’t heard until February 7, 2019

Then instead of appealing the Judge Thomas decision, “Brookie made a fresh application for name suppression on the basis of fair trial grounds as a result of events between his client’s first appearance and transfer to the High Court”.
Those “events” seemed to include UK media breaches of suppression – in its papers, online and on-air – and Andrew Little and Ardern remonstrating those breaches, both here and internationally.

… the Justice Minister said British media were undermining the judicial process by publishing suppressed details of the man. Andrew Little said the overseas media’s actions were “hurtful” towards the Millane family when the defence counsel was looking for every opportunity to force a mistrial.
Little mentioned “unfair trial” and then defendant lawyer Ian Brookie did too.
A coincidence?

But Peter Williams, this morning Magic Talk Radio, insists there are very sound reasons for the name suppression which will find out in due course, be patient.
Can Andrew Little confirm that – apart from his own vague comments about “fair trial”?
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November 25, 2019 10:30am
- Yvette
  
  OK, having made the comment I have above, I accept Andrew Little, on this morning’s AM Show, has covered this issue –
  
  In the meantime, he’s urging people not to go spreading the killer’s name on social media, as he still has name suppression.
  “It will come out eventually and that full story will be told. But at the moment you’ve got to preserve the integrity of the justice system so justice can be done.
  “The worst thing would be – for those people who think it’s smart to go around spreading his name – is he gets to use that as some sort of reason to reduce his sentence, or pre-trial, get off the charge at all… that would not be justice for the Millane family.”
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/11/grace-millane-trial-justice-minister-andrew-little-torn-on-how-to-stop-victims-humiliation.html
  
  I look forward to an eventual full justification for name suppression being revealed, presumably after the now guilty man is sentenced
  
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  November 25, 2019 10:54am
  - lifesgood
    
    Rumour has it he will be coming up before the courts on other charges unrelated to the Millane case. If that is the case it is a good thing to have name suppression so as to not unduly influence the jury. IMHO he is an absolute scum bag but I would hate to see him get away with other crimes because people broke the suppression order. Patience everybody. Time will tell.
    
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    November 25, 2019 11:14am
    - freethinker
      
      lifesgood – Sounds a credible reason but if those charges do not result in a sentence that is consecutive then it makes no practical difference.
      
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      November 25, 2019 11:47am
    - cmm
      
      Unless he is charged with being a scumbag the scumbag nature of his actions should be irrelevant.
      
      However us humans make emotional decisions – not fact based ones. If he’s mean to puppies people will want him found guilty – no matter the charges.
      
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      November 25, 2019 12:26pm
  - cmm
    
    This concern about miscarriage of justice is absurd.
    
    Which of these is the worst:
    1) Knowing his name.
    2) Hearing a whole lot of salacious details through the media about how he lied to women.
    3) PriNZess bursting into tears about it.
    
    Which of those is most likely to sway the way a jury, or potential jury, thinks?
    
    Knowing the name is the least of those.
    
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    November 25, 2019 12:23pm
    - Jules99
      
      And having his name withheld might mean other victims haven’t come forward.
      
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      November 25, 2019 1:16pm
  - Ruahine
    
    He would only get off any other charges because of the grounds that Little mentions is because our legal system is blatantly criminal friendly. The amazing inventiveness that most of our judiciary comes up with to assist criminals is a wonder to behold.
    
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    November 25, 2019 2:27pm
mikenmildagain

Devin Nunes threatens more lawsuits.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/devin-nunes-cnn-daily-beast-republicans
One could be forgiven he already has enough on his hands suing Twitter, his Mom, and his cow.
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November 25, 2019 10:45am
- Ed Snack
  
  Perhaps if CNN ran any sort of checks on the “anonymous” tips they receive they wouldn’t get sued so often.
  
  This looks like another GPS Fusion campaign, and just as truthful as the “Michael Cohen was in Prague” story they also pushed.
  
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  November 25, 2019 2:20pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Nune ain’t going to sue CNN, any more than Trump follows through on his many threats to sue everyone.
    
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    November 25, 2019 3:35pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      More lies
      He sued Stormy Daniels. She lost and had to pay him around $295,000
      
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      November 25, 2019 6:31pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        “Sued her? I barely knew her!”
        
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        November 25, 2019 7:02pm
Prince

Can you point me to the rebuttal from NZ Police, or Govt ministers ?
Is there any evidence they were treated as we would expect as people who are breaking the law ? Have they been issued with Trespass notice ?
It would appear they have indeed been treated very well by the Police ‘negotiators’.
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November 25, 2019 11:12am
- chaos
  
  I guess it is up to the owners what is done and not done
  
  * “It’s not going to impact our activities at all,” Primeport CEO Phil Melhopt said.
  
  “As it stands it is on a berth that’s not being used by anybody else.”
  
  He said they would have to wait and see what further action would be taken as “it’s a matter for the vessel owners”.*
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/117674538/protestors-will-stay-at-timaru-port-as-long-as-we-need-to
  
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  November 25, 2019 11:22am
chaos

Auckland woman be on the lookout

* Police are issuing an alert to women after multiple attacks around Auckland were linked to the same man.

Four women have been assaulted on walking tracks in Auckland in October and November, leaving the victims with broken bones and other injuries.*

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/11/alert-for-women-after-multiple-auckland-attacks-linked-to-same-man.html
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November 25, 2019 11:20am
- The King
  
  “The offender has been described by his victims as a male in his mid-20s to mid-30s with an olive complexion”
  
  HAHAHAHA olive, like a fresh olive or ripe olive?
  
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  November 25, 2019 11:53am
  - The King
    
    Perhaps an accurate description might stop more women being attacked, whatever happened to sketches?
    
    Being PC is literally getting women hurt/killed.
    
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    November 25, 2019 12:00pm
chwaga

Anyone up for a campaign for an amendment to the electoral act to require all members of parliment to
1. open an electorate office in the electorate in which they are elected and in the case of list members in the electorate that they resided in when they first became a member of parliment.
2. That all members be required to regularly attend that office and to be available to residents of the electorate.
Would give the greens and nzfirst maps something to do
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November 25, 2019 11:24am
Yvette

How prophetic is Electoral law?
It is an offence not to enrol if you are qualified to do so. People who are convicted of the offence, face a fine of up to $100 for a first conviction, and up to $200 for a further conviction.

I guess they don’t threaten imprisonment because you may already be there.
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November 25, 2019 11:27am
chwaga

MPs
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November 25, 2019 11:28am
Maggie Pie

Ive just been listening to Peter Williams on Magic Talk where he’s been discussing the necessity of the MSM’s somewhat sordid and detailed reporting of the Grace Millane case.
From the tone of those calling in, it sounds like my partner was probably the only person in the country who actually derived any degree of pleasure from reading it.

Just saying.
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November 25, 2019 12:07pm
chaos

Smart boy

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/lifestyle/familyandrelationships/distraught-young-girl-taught-blunt-lesson-by-brother-after-she-was-dumped/ar-BBXg5Yn?li=BBqdg4K
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November 25, 2019 12:15pm
curry4me

Impeachment could be bad news for Dems in 2020. Some are in red leaning seats, and would lose. Dems also need 12 Republican senate votes for impeachment. These are not likely to materialize.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlRE1Z_RPOA
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November 25, 2019 12:26pm
curry4me

The BrexitReform party. An end to the House of Lords. Civil servants to sign a neutrality pledge, and political guidelines for the Supreme court.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/11/24/farage-uk-needs-political-reform-drain-westminster-swamp/
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November 25, 2019 12:30pm
Lee C

My prediction is that between now and the election the press will run a concerted strategy to resurrect Saint Jacinda of the ChipVats increasingly the polls will “reflect” her popularity- increasingly articles mutely undermining Bridges will be penned. “One more Term!” Will be the call. “We’ve Come so Far!” Etc.
The pictures will show Rainbow Jacinda Defender of the Oppressed Jacinda Diverse Jacinda surrounded by adulation wearing a Lei.
Then, despite the press predictions about the “Mother of the Nation” she will booted out of office.
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November 25, 2019 12:30pm
- The King
  
  Jacinda will win because there is no opposition party, Simon has agreed with everything Labour has passed.
  
  Climate
  Immigration
  Assisted suicide
  
  Give me 5 differences on important policies that separate National from Labour.
  
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  November 25, 2019 12:50pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    When was there ever that many substantive differences between them?
    
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    November 25, 2019 1:37pm
Jack5

One for David Garrett …

Noble Frankland has died at 97. Frankland won a DFC as a navigator in Bomber Command, and later incurred the wrath of Bomber Command fans when researching in Germany the effects of the Allied bombing.

He concluded that, for most of the war, the results of the bombing offensive, though hugely costly both in terms of aircrew casualties and the deaths of German civilians, were very disappointing.

Frankland wrote in the multi-volume The Strategic Air Offensive against Germany 1939-1945 on the effects of the Allied bombing:

… “the German records … left no doubt that the national effect on the German war effort as a whole was virtually nil.”

The Telegraph in an obituary behind its pay wall says: “ … things had changed for the better from May 1944, with the military demand that Bomber Command be involved in preparing the way for the Normandy landings; more crucially, a revolution in American air strategy, strongly resisted by Air Marshals Portal and Harris, determined that the battle could only be won if the bombers were used to force the German fighters into action, with the aim of destroying the Luftwaffe in the air.”

The vital factor, Frankland argued, was the introduction by the Americans of the Mustang fighter: “This formidable machine scored immediate and spectacular successes. For the Luftwaffe it was the beginning of the end.”

Frankland did great work at the Imperial War Museum in London. The Telegraph says he established the old RAF fighter airfield at Duxford, Cambridgeshire, as the museum’s first branch; and saved the Second World War battle cruiser Belfast, which is moored in the Thames near Tower Bridge.
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November 25, 2019 12:46pm
- Ed Snack
  
  I think that with few doubts, the bombing campaign reduced the German industrial capacity, often in small but important ways. Mass bombing often destroyed the buildings but often not the equipment, but it did render the equipment unusable for a period.
  
  Just as an example, the Panther tank was fairly formidable, but was seriously unreliable with the transmission being a prime cause of breakdowns. As originally designed, the Panther was to use the same gearbox/final drive as the Tiger II, which was in fact a sturdy and reliable unit. However due to a lack of machining capacity to make the umbers required, a simpler spur gear arrangement was used, and under load this had a distinct tendency to fail. This not only meant that something over half of all Panthers were lost due to mechanical problems, but that it was less nimble than intended as neutral turns (left and right tracks moving in opposite directions) were effectively impossible because of the strain it imposed.
  
  The shortage of machining time was a direct result of the bombing of industrial plants and the disruption that caused. Although many of the tools were redeployed, it became very difficult to place them in a location where they wouldn’t be further bombed.
  
  That said, I would agree with much of Frankland’s critique of the impacts of bombing, the strategic bombing campaign was far less effective than claimed by its proponents.
  
  It was effective on the brief occasions it was used tactically, especially in the Normandy campaign. For example before the US led breakout and in the British Goodwood offensive. These were rare uses as the strategic air bombing people prevented such uses when they could.
  
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  November 25, 2019 2:32pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Allies ended the war a lot earlier than they otherwise could have due to focus on oil industry from ’44 on. Albert Speers regarded it as catastrophic.
  
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  November 25, 2019 5:01pm
- Kiwi Dave
  
  In terms of pre-war expectations, the strategic bombing offensive was a failure and certainly very costly in both money and lives of the Allied officer class.
  
  However, one wonders if Franklin’s bleak conclusions are justified. What would have happened if Britain and later the US had not mounted a sustained aerial assault on Germany? The Luftwaffe would have been freed for operations in the East, as would have been vast numbers of high velocity gun tubes; people and money would have been freed up for war production.
  
  And, until the Allies landed on the continent with control of the air, made possible by Luftwaffe losses in defence of the fatherland, what would those airmen have been doing?
  
  In 1944, precision bombing devastated Germany’s transport and oil supplies, but this campaign was made possible by the P-51 coming on top of the painful and costly learning from the previous years’ campaign.
  
  And a disagreement with Ed. My understanding, from limited knowledge of that campaign, is that heavy bombers actually had little effect in advancing the Allies in Normandy; what really made the difference was specific training, led by the US and partly copied by the British, of units for close infantry, tank and artillery cooperation in the bocage country.
  
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  November 25, 2019 5:36pm
Maggie Pie

My partners mum txts…

NZHerald Breaking News:
‘Man shot by Police was trying to turn his life around’

[sounds to me like he didn’t know whether to scratch his watch or wind his butt]
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November 25, 2019 12:55pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  That reminds me of the old tale of the bloke who got his hemorrhoid cream mixed up with his toothpaste; he finished up with a mouthful of shrunken teeth, and a Colgate ring of confidence 😀
  
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  November 25, 2019 3:36pm
cmm

Does South Africa having doping problem in rugby?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/117675932/exspringboks-lock-marco-wentzel-says-south-african-rugby-has-a-doping-issue

Well from what I’ve seen I’d have to say yes.

I’ve only even known one Springbok personally, back in the 1980s. I don’t think he was doping, but I do know it was an issue at the time at the elite schoolboy level.

Looking at the squad that won the world cup, I’d expect there was some doping, especially among some of the nguni players. Ngunis tend to not pack on huge muscle mass.

Kolisi’s physique is normal, but some of those other guys that look like weightlifters – nope, sorry, I don’t believe it.
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November 25, 2019 1:00pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  I’m tempted to simply defer to your knowledge of African racial stereotypes, but while there have been noises about doping in SA rugby, the shape of elite rugby players overall has changed a lot in recent decades with much more specific weights training, diets, etc.
  
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  November 25, 2019 1:17pm
  - cmm
    
    You might remember mentioning this bloke called Darwin over the weekend that explained evolution and how different populations have different traits.
    
    Is it a “racial stereotype” to say that pygmies are generally much shorter than Europeans? If the pygmy basketball team turned up with seven foot tall players then people are going to say something looks a bit off, no matter what they’ve been eating.
    
    Two of the weightlifter-shaped nguni players were kicked out of the springboks for doping and the two that were remaining just look off form.
    
    Now it is possible that they are just innocent freaks of nature, but I suspect there’s some enhancement going on with those two guys in particular, but quite possibly with others too.
    
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    November 25, 2019 3:28pm
- barnacle bill
  
  I thought that the Poms were muscle bound more than the Sth African players.
  
  I know that the forward pack looked a little suspicious with their huge bulk.
  That does not come from Gym work alone, some thing else was going on I reckon.
  
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  November 25, 2019 1:17pm
  - greybeard
    
    Agreed. As I remarked to my son after seeing those English forwards, “the whole bloody lot should be drug-tested after this game”.
    
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    November 25, 2019 2:37pm
krazykiwi

I have just ordered a $1.27 electronic component on AliExpress.

It will arrive after the new GST rules kick in, and I’ll be liable for $0.19 in GST.

Anyone hazard a guess how much it will cost taxpayers to manage this tax gathering event?
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November 25, 2019 1:09pm
- chaos
  
  I ordered three months of my supplement a few weeks ago, argh, out of supply, thought I would end up having to pay gst on it, thankfully it shipped a few days ago and arrived in the country yesterday.
  
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  November 25, 2019 2:22pm
- Tall Man
  
  My understanding is a fee less that $60 will be waived.
  
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  November 25, 2019 4:40pm
brett68

National sucks so badly now and Bridges is a fuckwit of the highest order.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/11/simon-bridges-pulls-out-ok-boomer-burn-on-peter-williams-over-17yo-candidate-doubts.html

How can anyone vote for National when there’s a chance this clown could end up as PM?
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November 25, 2019 1:10pm
- The King
  
  Just vote blue and we will triumph over evil!
  
  t. the eternal boomer.
  
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  November 25, 2019 2:35pm
chaos

An update

* Six of 19 protesters have been removed by police from the offshore supply vessel Skandi Atlantic in Timaru’s port where they have been since Sunday morning.

A Stuff reporter at the scene said the five, three men and three women, were driven away in two vehicles – one a police car and the other an unmarked vehicle, about 2.10pm on Monday.

The women could be seen making peace signs to supporters as they were driven away.*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/117674538/protestors-will-stay-at-timaru-port-as-long-as-we-need-to
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November 25, 2019 2:38pm
greybeard

Police have removed 8 of the 19 protesters.
“A Stuff reporter at the scene said the eight, five men, two women and one non-binary, were driven away in two vehicles – one a police car and the other an unmarked vehicle, about 2.10pm on Monday.”
Was the unmarked vehicle used to transport the non-binary protester ?
I can’t wait to see how the remaining 11 protesters are described. One of each I presume.
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November 25, 2019 2:44pm
- sooty
  
  The non binary one how would you arrest that one?
  Who do you set on to it? Am ale or a female?
  None, you tell it to get in the car or you will set the dog on it!
  
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  November 25, 2019 3:44pm
barnacle bill

There is no difference between the National Party and Labour.
They are both Social Democrats fighting for the same electoral middle ground.

The reason the coalition is doing well comes down to Jacinda Ardern, it is no different to when J Key was PM.

Both leaders carry the parties on their backs.
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November 25, 2019 2:49pm
- cmm
  
  On policy I think you are more or less correct. Print a list of National and Labour policies side by side and few could figure out the difference.
  
  However there’s also another factor: ability. Nat MPs generally have that and Labour generally do not.
  
  Then there’s also emotion: PriNZess is good at playing that one and National are not.
  
  While National try to go head-to-head with Labour in emotional space they will lose.
  
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  November 25, 2019 3:32pm
Jack5

Couldn’t happen in NZ, could it? ?

Australia’s intelligence agency, ASIO, is investigating allegations that Chinese intelligence tried to place one of its people in the Federal Parliament.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/404063/australia-probes-allegations-china-tried-to-plant-spy-in-parliament
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November 25, 2019 3:17pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  China’s way ahead here – they already have two agents in our parliament.
  
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  November 25, 2019 4:55pm
Tony Stuart

As I speculated they would yesterday, National Party staffers have been busy researching inmates sentenced to three years or less imprisonment, who Labour and the Greens want to give the vote to:

https://www.facebook.com/NZNATS/photos/a.527149817300618/3251790891503150/?type=3&theater
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November 25, 2019 3:35pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  No surprises that National would promise to restore the signature legislative achievement of the Key government.
  
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  November 25, 2019 3:43pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Please explain why you think child abusers deserve a vote.
    
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    November 25, 2019 4:31pm
    - chaos
      
      Interested to hear the answer but I doubt you will get one.
      
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      November 25, 2019 7:12pm
      - igm
        
        The old adage . . . “Birds of a Feather . . . ” no doubt!
        
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        November 26, 2019 7:51am
- chaos
  
  Can we add
  
  Name suppressed, no known sentence or punishment for sexually abusing youth on a Labour Party youth camp
  
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  November 25, 2019 4:20pm
  - sooty
    
    Or the poor lady that got raped by Cindys senior office worker they have been protecting!
    
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    November 25, 2019 7:10pm
    - igm
      
      What about the disgusting pervert who sexually interfered with boys and girls at a Labour education camp . . . this really irks me and the filthy way he has been given carte blanche to continue life with no penalty.
      He must be named and shamed, along with his high ranking Labour MP parent, who has pulled out all stops to have any form of identification made public.
      
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      November 26, 2019 7:50am
igm

This crap must be stopped . . . a great man and loving father . . .
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/117680322/hearse-arrives-at-tauranga-house-where-man-was-shot-dead
Ensor, in particular, is typical of the left-wing sycophants that have stuffed Fairfax.
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November 25, 2019 5:10pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Indeed; the media are hanging around the site of this awful incident like ghouls. Doubtless there will be footage on TV tonight of family members grieving, or the hearse pulling away with the body etc etc.
  
  Why can’t the media just Foxtrot Oscar, leave the family in peace and privacy, and let the Police do their job?
  
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  November 25, 2019 5:15pm
chaos

a good post, hard to read but a post everyone needs to read

* I’ll Look at Your Facebook Profile Before I Tell Your Mother You’re Dead
It kind of keeps me human. You see, I’m about to change their lives; your mom and dad, that is. In about five minutes, they will never be the same, they will never be happy again. Right now, to be honest, you’re just a nameless dead body that feels like a wet bag of newspapers that we have been pounding on, sticking IV lines and tubes and needles in, trying desperately to save you. There’s no motion, no life, nothing to tell me you once had dreams or aspirations. I owe it to them to learn just a bit about you before I go in.

Because right now . . . all I am is mad at you, for what you did to yourself and what you are about to do to them.

I know nothing about you. I owe it to your mom to peek inside of your once-living world.
Maybe you were texting instead of watching the road, or you were drunk when you should have Ubered. Perhaps you snorted heroin or Xanax for the first time or a line of coke, tried meth or popped a Vicodin at the campus party and did a couple shots. Maybe you just rode your bike without a helmet or didn’t heed your parents’ warning when they asked you not to hang out with that “friend,” or to be more cautious when coming to a four-way stop.
Maybe you just gave up.

Maybe it was just your time, but chances are . . . it wasn’t.

So I pick up your faded picture of your driver’s license and click on my iPhone, flip to Facebook and search your name. Chances are we’ll have one mutual friend somewhere. I know a lot of people.
I see you wearing the same necklace and earrings that now sit in a specimen cup on the counter, the same ball cap or jacket that has been split open with trauma scissors and pulled under the backboard, the lining stained with blood. Looks like you were wearing it to the U2 concert. I heard it was great.
I see your smile, how it should be, the color of eyes when they are filled with life, your time on the beach, blowing out candles, Christmas at Grandma’s; oh you have a Maltese, too. I see that. I see you standing with your mom and dad in front of the sign to your college. Good, I’ll know exactly who they are when I walk into the room. It makes it that much easier for me, one less question I need to ask.
You’re kind of lucky that you don’t have to see it. Dad screaming your name over and over, mom pulling her hair out, curled up on the floor with her hand over her head as if she’s trying to protect herself from unseen blows.

I check your Facebook page before I tell them you’re dead because it reminds me that I am talking about a person, someone they love; it quiets the voice in my head that is screaming at you right now shouting: “How could you do this to them, to people you are supposed to love!”*

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12288163
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November 25, 2019 5:16pm
chaos

How sad, watching the news clip from 1989 could very well be for today. First story up the murder in NZ of a British tourist.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/117679505/run-out-of-money-before-we-got-on-air-mark-jennings-on-threes-first-day
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November 25, 2019 6:42pm
MrTips

Women rips skirt on escalator. Makes national news with Hillary Barry and Jeremy Wells.

Fuck me. That was just bread and circus shit. Once, but never again for this kid. Those two look like a couple Orcs that won the Bingo and celebrated by pushing face in the dough to make ugly biscuits.

Media is shit. Won’t anyone take it seriously and produce actual news, which is stuff that someone, somewhere doesn’t want us to know?
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November 25, 2019 7:14pm
- Rodney Randall
  
  They could have saved that show by ditching Hillary Barry. I always thought Havoc and Newsboy would have been preferable at the 1830 slot,(parody news show) particularly after the gobshite on one and three.
  
  But no the spastic execs are only concerned with diarrhoea.
  
  When is “That Guy” aka Leigh Hart bringing Moon TV back? I understand he has another project in the wings…
  
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  November 25, 2019 8:13pm
Swifty

Clinton Foundation donations tank:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NyhpIY9T9o

I wonder why that is?
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November 25, 2019 7:28pm
Rodney Randall

Anyone here recall the fly by nighter PBJ83 the other day vocifereously attacking Kiwibloggers and calling them fascists?

I asked them if they supported P.A.P.A.’s manifesto and they dissapeared. No response. NADA. They up and vanished like a fart in the wind.

A certain Green Party member has been retweeting P.A.P.A.s Twitter posts as of late. Of course there may well be no connection to the PBJ83 moniker, but it is most illuminating that a particularly vocal Green Party member is proudly associating themselves with P.A.P.A.

Guess who the Green Party P.A.P.A supporter is?
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November 25, 2019 8:01pm
- sooty
  
  Gareth Hughes!
  
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  November 25, 2019 8:56pm
  - Rodney Randall
    
    Nope
    
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    November 26, 2019 8:53am
Maggy Wassilieff

I had no idea what P.A.P.A. stands for…
but presumably:
People against Prisons Aotearoa
https://papa.org.nz/
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November 25, 2019 9:22pm
rightoverlabour

watch this right to the end. Tony Heller with a twist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwSUlFyk2sk
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November 25, 2019 9:52pm
mandk

PAPA are the lowest of the low.
They don’t believe in prison for anyone – even child sex abusers.

Their solution is to hold restorative justice meetings instead.

Imagine! A poor child has been abused by an advocate of “inter-generational love”, and then they are expected to have a meeting with their abuser

Mere words cannot describe the terpitude of these people.
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