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Maggie Pie

I’m sooo excited about not going to Samoa.
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November 20, 2019 8:01am
- pdm
  
  We heard last night our GP is being sent over there to help out for about two weeks.
  
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  November 20, 2019 8:23am
- rightoverlabour
  
  I see we are exporting all sorts of things to Samoa. I suppose we can thank our dedicated Minister of Health…..
  
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  November 20, 2019 8:27am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    And his lazy approach to targets because everyone is responsible and, will always do the ‘right thing’ for themselves.
    
    Tui anyone?
    
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    November 20, 2019 9:52am
Michael

A vote for NZF is a Vote for Labour is a vote for The Greens.
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November 20, 2019 8:03am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Correct. If you want to change the government, the best way to achieve that is to give your party vote to National, even if that requires a clothespeg over the nose. Anything less runs the risk of another government like the current one.
  
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  November 20, 2019 9:11am
  - septic skeptic
    
    I predict ACT will have more than one MP in the next parliament.
    
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    November 20, 2019 9:51am
    - chaos
      
      I don’t. Act are useless. I couldn’t even tell you who the local candidate was last time because they never bothered to do anything
      
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      November 20, 2019 11:44am
    - Bobba Fret
      
      I hope you are right.
      
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      November 20, 2019 4:25pm
  - IC5000
    
    Sure, if National stops whoring itself to the CCP and declares that it will stop the large scale importation of Indians and Chinese to suppress wages and actually act in the interest of New Zealanders.
    
    Too much to ask for I know.
    
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    November 20, 2019 10:27am
    - IC5000
      
      Given the downvotes I guess that’s a no from National supporters.
      
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      November 20, 2019 3:21pm
  - MeNotYou
    
    I disagree. National won’t win enough seats to govern alone. The only party who will help them is Act.
    
    So, electorate vote National. Party Vote Act.
    
    That gets you a centre right government.
    
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    November 20, 2019 10:44am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Not quite right.
      If NZF and Greens each get 4.9% National will govern alone with 46%.
      But the way things are going on the left at present they could easily get 52%.
      
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      November 20, 2019 11:08am
      - Colville
        
        Captain.
        With the wasted vote likely to be 3 or 4% with the likes of Vernon Tava and the New cons and other rats and mice and NZF likely to go sub 5% (say 4%) so total 8% wasted , Greens will get 5%+. So both Red and Blue teams end up mid 40’s.
        I think the wild card will be the Maori Party.
        The difference between them picking up one seat or not might change the whole election.
        
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        November 20, 2019 11:26am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Colville. No way will the Greens get to 5% and Labour will be mid 30s at best.
        Total wasted vote could be as high as 12% (Green + NZF + New Cons + Tava + Maori + others) so if the Nats get 45% that will be 51% of the remaining 88%.
        Bingo!
        
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        November 20, 2019 11:43am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        The Maori Party is barely puttering along.
        It seems to be centred around a few NI iwi only.
        
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        November 20, 2019 2:12pm
Maggy Wassilieff

is Aussie getting warmer… or has the data been fiddled with?

http://joannenova.com.au/2019/11/raw-data-bombshell-no-change-in-very-hot-days-in-australia-since-world-war-i/#comments
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November 20, 2019 8:03am
- krazykiwi
  
  Manipulation of the climate record is now fully entrenched. Facts that do not support the climate change narrative are routinely ‘adjusted’. Here’s a great example.
  
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  November 20, 2019 8:11am
  - G152
    
    Yup.
    The same people who make the ‘warming’ claims also site the thermometers, take the readings and then ‘massage’ the data.
    Used to be where temps were taken on airfields in standard boxes at the same height above grass.
    Now you can find these temps were taken around buildings and above tarsealed surfaces.
    
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    November 20, 2019 8:19am
    - alloytoo
      
      This is the part that should give everyone pause.
      
      The only rationale for adjusting data should be for Urban Heat Island effect.
      
      Those adjustments should be more against modern temperatures, not historical ones.
      
      But the opposite seems to have occurred since the late 90’s
      
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      November 20, 2019 10:36am
- rangitoto
  
  So the warming really is anthropogenic, Otherwise known as cooking the books.
  
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  November 20, 2019 8:11am
- rightoverlabour
  
  The data, as has most of the world’s data, has been “adjusted”. Its all crap. Tony Heller has exposed this scam.
  
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  November 20, 2019 8:13am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Well, if it’s Joanne Nova making the claim that the data has been fiddled with, then Australia is probably getting warmer.
  
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  November 20, 2019 8:14am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Bullshit. Her claims are backed with evidence. Y’know, that stuff science depends on. The BoM’s temperature fiddling has been going on for decades now, and it’s taken legal action to get them to release the basis of these adjustments.
    
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    November 20, 2019 9:08am
    - IC5000
      
      She’s just a fake science peddler
      
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      November 20, 2019 10:29am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Now that’s how we expect the climate liars to react ! Never, never, engage with facts, just traduce the person. It just what they do.
    
    There are legitimate reasons to adjust old records or at least to recalculate the results; a change to the times in the day when measurements are taken for example can make a difference, as can changes in location. But if the reasons are all legitimate, why aren’t those adjustments part of the public record ? If they are legitimate and can be defended, surely it would be in everyone’s interests that the adjustments and the methodology be available to critique ? That is how science works, or is supposed to.
    
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    November 20, 2019 9:15am
    - backster
      
      In the 50s and 60s record temperatures were always quoted as taken in the shade.It was only with the advent of TV that recording stations were placed to enable the weather reports to show the hottest possible recordings for competing communities.
      
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      November 20, 2019 9:53am
    - IC5000
      
      You’ve got a history of peddling fake news so nothing new here.
      
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      November 20, 2019 12:44pm
- Simon
  
  National voted for climate fraud. Greta was watching National and they were scared she might frown at them.
  
  The State has a glorious plan to save the planet. Dig deep into your pockets earning Greta”s approving smile will not come cheaply.
  
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  November 20, 2019 8:22am
- cmm
  
  Data manipulation is rife.
  
  But they don’t call it manipulation. Instead they call it:
  normalisation
  correction
  fitting
  re-modelling
  sanititising
  
  I once tried to get raw data from NIWA and they said that they only provided corrected data. Once they had corrected the data they destroyed the raw data to “save disk space”.
  
  This is not how science is supposed to work.
  
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  November 20, 2019 8:34am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    “Those who control the present control the past, and those that control the past control the future.” Orwell.
    
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    November 20, 2019 8:37am
  - Pharmachick
    
    Wot?
    
    I once had a reviewer query our analyses in a scientific manuscript, so we simply shipped him/her the raw data. Solved the problem entirely.
    
    I tell my students that they should be well-prepared to provide raw, original data if their methodology or integrity are ever queried. At a minimum, saves us from accidentally drawing erroneous conclusions, occasionally makes cheeky reviewers apologize and admit we were right. That’s how peer review is supposed to work.
    
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    November 20, 2019 9:52am
    - cmm
      
      Yup, I was flummoxed by that.
      
      Storing raw data is critical. SO is full disclosure of your analysis methods and the rationale behind them.
      
      What if your data analysis methods were broken? How do you rebuild the data if you don’t keep the raw data?
      
      Nope, NIWA is ideology first, science second.
      
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      November 20, 2019 11:37am
      - Pharmachick
        
        To use that most Kiwi of sayings:
        Yeah, nah.
        
        Some journals won’t accept submissions these days unless you make your raw data available in a repository or on request. But you know, Biomedical Science and Health is cleaning up its act… other branches [crickets]
        
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        November 20, 2019 1:30pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    NIWA saving disk space is like Enron firing up the shredders: Hiding their skeletons.
    
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    November 20, 2019 10:15am
  - JackRabbit
    
    NIWA as with other bogus science orgs have towed the line and agreed with the MSM BS.
    
    Sea level annual rate of rise has not changed in 120 years, as confirmed with the tidal gauge system. Smart arse people tell you otherwise, not realising that their arguments contradict Newton’s laws of gravity, displacement laws and the Unit measurement standards.
    
    In my books, anyone arguing for Man Made Climate change:
    
    1) Can’t think and replaces logic with emotion.
    2) Doesn’t understand principles of science.
    3) Has an IQ of less than 80, or alternatively been brainwashed, or smoked too much Ganja.
    4) Never read the Emperor’s new clothes and other fables that were written to warn people not to believe populist BS.
    
    https://realclimatescience.com/1500-years-of-heatwaves/
    
    It has been hotter than it is now. Get any MMCCP to explain that using science!
    
    MMCCP = Man Made Climate Change Promoter
    
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    November 20, 2019 11:28am
  - southtop
    
    No Idea What’s Ahead: NIWA
    
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    November 20, 2019 11:30am
- stephieboy
  
  MW, I would take what Joanne Nova says with the proverbial grain of salt and due cautiom,
  
  Here’s why ,
  
  Last summer was Australia’s hottest on record – here’s what this means,
  
  Australian summers are getting hotter. Today marks the end of our warmest summer on record, setting new national temperature records. Worsening drought, locally significant flooding, damaging bushfires, and heatwaves capped a summer of extremes.
  
  As we look to autumn, warmer temperatures overall and below average rainfall – especially in eastern parts of the country – are likely.
  
  https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/03/2018-19-was-australia-s-hottest-summer-on-record-with-a-warm-autumn-likely-too/
  
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  November 20, 2019 10:33am
  - stephieboy
    
    And Nova needs to ask the farming community,
    
    Australia drought: The ‘unlikely’ group calling for climate action
    
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-47890319
    
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    November 20, 2019 10:38am
    - gravedodger
      
      You daft bugger stephie, there is widespread agreement there is little if any correlation between global warming and drought, in fact I subscribe to the theory warmer brings greater rainfall due to more evaporation from sea lake and land.
      What goes up must come down, and yes sometimes in greater events!
      
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      November 20, 2019 1:27pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    >>>Last summer was Australia’s hottest on record – here’s what this means.
    
    What a load of toss.
    
    https://www.mfe.govt.nz/sites/default/files/media/Davison%20Michael%2009053.pdf
    
    Read page 9.
    
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    November 20, 2019 11:34am
    - JackRabbit
      
      https://www.mfe.govt.nz/sites/default/files/media/NZETS_reviewstage2%20-%20Davison%2C%20Michael%2004035%28b%29.pdf
      
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      November 20, 2019 11:44am
  - IC5000
    
    Sounds like more fake science. It’s quite clear rural Australia is not suffering from a 10 year drought and that all those news stories about NSW towns running out of water and having it trucked in is just climate propaganda.
    
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    November 20, 2019 2:51pm
mikenmildagain

We’re celebrating today the feast of St Agapius.
Agapius was arrested, imprisoned and tortured, and threatened with death in the arena over two years. Finally he was brought to the arena and presented to the emperor, who offered a pardon on the condition that Agapius disavow his faith. Agapius not only refused the offer, but is said to have cheerfully rushed headlong into the bear. The animal inflicted severe injuries, but Agapius survived. So he was drowned in the sea instead the next day.
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November 20, 2019 8:03am
- nasska
  
  …..” but is said to have cheerfully rushed headlong into the bear”…..
  
  Should be the patron saint of animal cruelty! 🙂
  
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  November 20, 2019 8:19am
  - Tarquin North
    
    Reincarnated as Steve Irwin.
    
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    November 20, 2019 8:40am
- MCos
  
  Too bad if he went off to the afterlife and found out the Christians were wrong.
  
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  November 20, 2019 9:00am
  - Michael
    
    yep too bad. MCos
    But we don’t think so……
    
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    November 20, 2019 9:51am
- SGA
  
  Agapius not only refused the offer, but is said to have cheerfully rushed headlong into the bear.
  
  From whence we get the phrase –
  “Sometimes you eat the bear and sometimes the bear eats you.” 😉
  
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  November 20, 2019 9:08am
- Scott
  
  I admire those saints of old that were prepared to die for their faith rather than renounce their faith in Jesus Christ.
  Hopefully we the current generation will have the same level of faith when persecution comes. ✝️
  
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  November 20, 2019 10:30am
  - nasska
    
    I’ll erect a small bronze statue of Saint Scott on the roundabout, cnr Chapel & Renall to commemorate your martyrdom. 🙂
    
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    November 20, 2019 1:02pm
    - Scott
      
      Thank you so much nasska. I think? ?
      
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      November 20, 2019 3:04pm
Poppa

Oh so Mr Peters knows nothing of the workings of the Foundation he is channelling “loan money” through then. He has no knowledge of how the “loans” get paid back, or if they ever do.

Here is a hint Mr Peters, they are not loans at all, they are donations which are being dressed up as loans

I hope this saga sinks this bastard once & for all
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November 20, 2019 8:06am
- artemisia
  
  Ms Martin also knows nothing.
  
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  November 20, 2019 8:18am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    And nothing about Sgt Shultz or the loans.
    
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    November 20, 2019 8:33am
  - oldgolfer
    
    I think we all knew that.
    
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    November 20, 2019 8:45am
- cmm
  
  The Foundation claimed that the loans had been repaid. If that is indeed correct then they would legitimately be loans (except the “free” interest etc would be a donation).
  
  One wonders though whether they are being economical with the truth. Were ALL the loans repaid?
  
  More likely:
  Foundation: Here are 4 loans: $100k, $300k, $5 and $2.
  NZF: Ok, I’ll give you $7 back.
  Foundation: NZF has repaid loans.
  
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  November 20, 2019 8:38am
  - Random T Person
    
    Does anyone know what time Winston was interviewed by Mike Hosking? I’m keen to listen to the whole enchilada, just having difficulty finding it..
    
    [Mod – it started about 7.10am]
    
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    November 20, 2019 9:39am
  - MeNotYou
    
    Or:
    
    Foundation: here’s a loan of $100,000 (in 2017)
    
    NZF: here’s the repayment of $100,000 (in early 2020)
    
    Foundation: here’s another loan of $100,000 (also in early 2020)
    
    So loan “paid back”, and lined out again.
    
    Rinse and repeat ad infinitum
    
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    November 20, 2019 10:47am
sooty

All publicity is good news. Ah, Whinnestone!
How’s Brian Henry going to charge you for this load?
Alot is the answer!
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November 20, 2019 8:07am
- Colville
  
  and why would Whinny care about that?
  
  a donation will pay that bill too!
  
  That man is a shit stain on our democracy.
  
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  November 20, 2019 8:25am
  - igm
    
    Whinney would need to get up early to manufacture lies on a par with Ardern.
    
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    November 20, 2019 8:37am
Gandolfo

In 2020 there will be a new list ranking the least corrupt countries in the world. With our current political actors and their dealings, I wonder were we will be this year? We were No.1 in 2019……bets anyone?
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November 20, 2019 8:07am
- rouppe
  
  Who does the ranking? The UN?
  
  They are the people who appoint Saudi Arabia to human rights committees and such
  
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  November 20, 2019 8:23am
  - Stephen Russell
    
    The ranking is done by Transparency International. An NGO, not UN.
    
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    November 20, 2019 1:02pm
    - Jules99
      
      A quick visit to their website and peruse of their financials shows that one of the top funders is the Foundation Open Society Institute, founded and chaired by none other than George Soros.
      
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      November 20, 2019 2:07pm
- cmm
  
  To be pedantic, it is not a list of the least corrupt, but a list of perceptions – ie. how the people “feel”.
  
  In smaller countries we tend to see our politicians and bureaucrats in the street a bit more. It is harder for us to believe our politicians are corrupt than when they are faceless talking heads thousands of miles away that none of us meet.
  
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  November 20, 2019 8:42am
Simon

Vindman what a fucking clown. Sorry that should be Lt Colonel fucking clown

The Russian truthers have had a bad couple of days. Very Sad.

You can see why so many in government hate Trump. FBI, DOJ and State Department shower of Obama Dem partisan shit. Trump is showing the public that there are just so many losers in government.
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November 20, 2019 8:14am
- Fletch
  
  In the transcript of the testimony of Vindman’s boss, Tim Morrison, Morrison says he did not believe President Trump said anything improper on the July 25th call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. He also said he considers Vindman to be unreliable and told lawmakers that he questions his judgment.
  
  Morrison was asked why he chose to exclude Vindman from his conversations with the U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Bill Taylor. Morrison replied, “I had concerns about Lieutenant Colonel Vindman’s judgment…Among the discussions I had with Dr. [Fiona] Hill in the transition was our team, my team, its strengths and its weaknesses. And Fiona and others had raised concerns about Alex’s judgment. (p. 81-82)
  
  https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2019/11/17/schiff-releases-tim-morrison-transcript-destroys-testimony-lt.-col.-vindman-considers-unreliable-questions-judgement
  
  https://republicans-intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/tim_morrison_key_points.pdf
  
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  November 20, 2019 8:35am
  - stephieboy
    
    Fletch , getting more and more like Trey’ Gowdy’s inconclusive 800 page Benghazi report,
    
    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/29/us/politics/hillary-clinton-benghazi.html
    
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    November 20, 2019 10:41am
- chaos
  
  I’m starting to think Jim Jordan could replace mike pence next year.
  
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  November 20, 2019 8:53am
  - Michael
    
    Succession
    
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    November 20, 2019 9:53am
  - Jules99
    
    Some good politicians being showcased in the Republicans. Trey Gowdy is another. Devin Nunes,
    
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    November 20, 2019 2:00pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Any update on Devin Nunes’ lawsuit against his cow is proceeding?
      https://www.themarysue.com/devin-nunes-hates-cows/
      
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      November 20, 2019 2:19pm
- Billy Collins
  
  What the hell does his father leaving the soviet union have to do with anything? And the whole “lt colonel” response just shows this guy is a grandstander.
  
  The best they could muster from him is that the favour was “inappropriate”.
  
  Inappropriate does not cut it.
  
  The Dems did the same thing with Yavonovitch. They cared less about what these people know and care more about how they feel about Trump.
  
  Is it considered illegal to abuse congressional powers with the intent to just smear an opposition president going in to an election?
  
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  November 20, 2019 9:56am
  - stephieboy
    
    Trump does it all the time!
    
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    November 20, 2019 12:44pm
- Littletramp
  
  We may find out in time (wait for Messrs Barr & Durham to play their hand), why the democrats are controlling this witness list and this one sided public display. These witnesses may all be past & now leakers against the Trump admin and are being brought forward now by the Democrats so that when they are exposed and charged with leaking crimes in the near future, they will try and plead that they are just victims and being retaliated against by Trump. These hearings are all a smoke screen. The Ukaraine aid and “Russia, Russia, Russia fearmongering has clearly been a money laundering rort by a cabal of US Politicians of both sides against the US citizens since the end of World War 2. We are seeing the NZ Labour party use similar tactics here channeling taxpayer funds via dozens of working groups to launder taxpayer money to their mates, with some given back to fund future campaigns. It’s called corruption to all those not clipping the ticket – us the taxpayers.
  
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  November 20, 2019 10:27am
- All_on_Red
  
  Vindman: “Certainly, the President is well within his rights to ask for investigations”
  
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  November 20, 2019 12:12pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Volker: received no “indication whatsoever or anything that resembled a quid pro quo”
    
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    November 20, 2019 12:44pm
  - stephieboy
    
    All on Red , source with context please!
    
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    November 20, 2019 12:45pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Lol
      Stephie doesn’t understand quotation marks!
      Hey, have you got help for your problem with women yet?
      
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      November 20, 2019 2:59pm
Yvette

Ihumātao
If Heritage New Zealand now change the status of the land, can Fletchers sue the Government?
Even if the land’s heritage status was increased, the status of the special housing area would remain intact, meaning the land could still be used to build papakāinga housing – homes designed by Māori for Māori. [1]

But isn’t the papakāinga, village, outside the boundaries of the disputed land, SHA62 “Wallace Block” [2]

“Whatever recommendation is finally made by Heritage New Zealand will then go to Auckland Council for it to consider whether to change the land’s current status,” Mr Robertson told RNZ [1]

But a change in land status in no justification for Auckland Council to buy it on behalf of protestors or protectors – rather they need to inform Fletchers, the current owners, and as it is reversing the land status under which Fletchers purchased the land (does it not) raise what Fltecher’s legal recourse may be? It will have been sold land it now can not build on (if the change is made), and also surely the value of the land, with changed purpose, has also changed.

[1] https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/403588/ihumatao-crown-considers-loan-for-auckland-council-to-buy-land
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ihumātao#/media/File:Ihumātao_Peninsula_with_boundaries_of_SHA62_Fletcher_Development_2019.jpg
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November 20, 2019 8:15am
- Scott
  
  Yvette good points. Seeing as it is Maori land for Maori to build for Maori, is it OK to build the following? Let’s build on white people’s land, houses built by white people for white people. Would that be OK?
  
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  November 20, 2019 10:25am
artemisia

NZ ranks first for ease of doing business for fourth year – MBIE press release yesterday.

Excellent news for landlords, they will be queuing up to buy new rentals to meet a shortage and increasing homelessness.

Until they twig that there are additional rules for them that don’t apply to other businesses, and not trivial rules either.
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November 20, 2019 8:15am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Every tenancy that I provide in the future, will now be 12 month fixed term. In the 21 day period approaching the end of the fixed term, were either party can terminate the fixed ter tenancy, another fixed term tenancy will be offered. There will be no opportunity for the fixed term tenancy to roll over to become a periodic tenancy.
  
  I have never increased rents twice in a year and, I no longer have to give 90 days notice to vacate or 60 days to advise of a rent increase.
  
  Changing tenants is a pain in the proverbial, not as big as changing houses though.
  
  As for giving a tenant a paintbrush, forget it. The result will be as good as when they tell you that they are an ‘enthusiastic gardener’ without telling you their model is to ‘just let it grow baby!’
  
  How does this clown government think they are helping tenants in this instance
  
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  November 20, 2019 8:49am
  - artemisia
    
    Paulus Gnome, Mr Faafoi’s recent announcements, if enacted, put the kibosh on your fixed term plan. Completely. Tenant will hold all the cards under most circs, including assigning a FTT where consent may not be unreasonably withheld (whatever that may mean).
    
    The Tenancy Tribunal will get very very busy, so better to give 90 day termination notices to even slightly risky tenants. While we still can.
    
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    November 20, 2019 9:15am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      I can make this comment, being a XXXL myself. Mr Faafoi does seem to have formed a very enduring relationship with the eating places of Parliament, and looks as though he has had a most bountiful winter!
      
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      November 20, 2019 9:20am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        And Robbo looks like he has been missing gym sessions this year.
        
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        November 20, 2019 10:04am
      - toby1845
        
        Sorry? Who is Jim Sessions?
        
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        November 20, 2019 8:06pm
  - freethinker
    
    These clowns cannot think as their brains reside in their large intestine which explains why the result is always the same – shit.
    
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    November 20, 2019 9:48am
    - artemisia
      
      There are several reasons households can’t rent privately and it is well within the government’s power to fix for some households, maybe many. They would prefer to hold the ideological line than actually solve part of the problem and save the taxpayer money.
      
      COST. The average Accommodation Supplement subsidy is $100pw, the average social housing income related rent subsidy is $300 pw. The average motel is, well a lot more than either, probably over $1000 pw. So the cost difficulty can be overcome by paying $300 pw for private sector accommodation, direct to the landlord. Balance paid by benefit deduction if relevant. Success! Big taxpayer dollars saved and those in motels don’t need to keep moving.
      
      RISKY TENANTS. The government is now pouring tens of millions into Sustained Tenancies, designed to keep tenants from being kicked out for rent or damage issues. Looks like mainly paying a lot of social workers, maybe some rent arrears, not sure. If the fund can provide guarantees to landlords for rent and fixing damage, risky tenants might have a better chance of a private rental. Cost less than months in motels. Still be some tenants no landlord will take on of course.
      
      SUPPLY. A lot in government hands. The COL could change it in a heartbeat. Certainly cheaper than building more and more social housing – capital cost and rent subsidies. Easy, just focus on the problems, not the ideology.
      
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      November 20, 2019 11:24am
- wreck1080
  
  I wonder if that includes ease of financing?
  
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  November 20, 2019 10:10am
ldypen

Why wont Simon commit to NOT going with Winston First next year, he was on ZB this morning and would not give a straight answer, In my opinion he should come out now and 100% guarantee that the Nats will not go in with Winston which would mean a vote for NZF is a vote for the continuance of the COL.
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November 20, 2019 8:19am
- cmm
  
  It would make more impact to say that in the build up to the elections.
  
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  November 20, 2019 8:44am
  - srylands
    
    No it would make more impact to say it today, and tomorrow, and then weekly, every week up until July 2020, and then daily up to election day.
    
    It is pathetic.
    
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    November 20, 2019 8:46am
    - cmm
      
      I agree.
      
      Tell Winston to take a ride on a fire truck and make some quip which gets replayed every time Winnie shows his face.
      
      Bennet’s “zip it sweetie” line in 2012 was fantastic. That’s all anyone heard if Ardern opened her mouth for the next 5 years. Something like a hundred thousand views on youtube.
      
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      November 20, 2019 9:49am
  - tf78
    
    Quite right cmm – and who knows who might be left in NZF next year!
    
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    November 20, 2019 8:53am
  - septic skeptic
    
    No impact at all later on assuming their is a sweetheart deal between Cindy and his good self to gift the champion of the regions an electorate. At that point the die is cast.
    
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    November 20, 2019 10:07am
- chaos
  
  I wouldn’t rule out nz first yet, I’d wait to see if Winston is still the leader when going to election.
  
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  November 20, 2019 8:45am
  - cmm
    
    Would Jones be any better?
    
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    November 20, 2019 8:58am
    - sooty
      
      Will Jones be in NZF or gone back to Labour?
      
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      November 20, 2019 9:39am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      If Jones is the answer, it must be a shit sandwich of a question, but you all knew that.
      
      I am laid up on the couch for a day or two, I can see were the attraction lies for the proverbial neph’s, but, I was pretty much over this lifestyle by lunchtime on day one.
      
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      November 20, 2019 10:02am
    - septic skeptic
      
      Worse. Unlikely as that might seem to those of us who regard Winston as a scourge on NZ politics.
      
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      November 20, 2019 10:14am
    - chaos
      
      He was alright when key employed him, but I dont think so as party leader, dont think he will get it. If Winston is gone and if, and it is a big if, if they survive the option needs to be open. Best thing bridges can do is affirm he wont work with NZ first under Winston
      
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      November 20, 2019 10:20am
- peterwn
  
  Because if he gives a straight ‘no’ now he plays into Winston’s hands because Winston can organise his strategy around that and concentrate on pulling in centre left votes ie the left side of National’s possible votes.
  He is better off to be non committal for now and announce any decision closer to the election next year. Winston then has to organise his strategy around this and in particular he would have to spread his campaigning resources wider and aim to try and pick off a wider range of potential National voters.
  Same with policy. Simon is not going to put all his policy on the table now as this gives valuable campaigning clues to other parties. Far better to announce policy closer to the election and in a way that catches other parties flat footed.
  
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  November 20, 2019 8:46am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Surely there is no way National would ever work with NZF now. Everyone know Winston cannot be trusted.
    
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    November 20, 2019 9:05am
  - Happychappy
    
    Winston Peter’s has refused to confirm whether a foundation giving money to his Political Party would be considered a donation and needed to be declared. Mike Hosking asked Winston the question 8 times this morning in his interview and the NZ First Leader refused to answer. Peter’s said the foundation had been set up by a group of Laywers including his own Brian Henry and given the ” extraordinary level of legal experience in the Foundation allegations they had broken the law would preposterous “.
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12286662
    Just ask yourself this question why would you go to the lengths of using several Laywers to Start a Foundation like this if you did not have any intention of breaking the law.
    
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    November 20, 2019 9:34am
- Colville
  
  NZF needs a seat to survive and National will want Labour to announce they are doing a deal on a seat with NZF.
  
  A vote for NZF is a vote for Labour and the Greens.
  
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  November 20, 2019 8:47am
  - septic skeptic
    
    So then, when Labour and NZF announce that they have formed an alliance, Bridges will pull the rug out from under them by announcing that National will not work with NZF.
    I see, not!
    
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    November 20, 2019 10:17am
- artemisia
  
  Waiting for Mr Peters to rule himself out, voluntarily or not? Win win for Mr Bridges.
  
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  November 20, 2019 8:51am
  - MCos
    
    Peters will never rule himself out. The Greens are mugs to rules to rule themselves out of working with the Nats, although it would come as a surprise if they did.
    In the past National formed an unlikely alliance with the Maori Party because for both of them it was the path the power.
    Both major parties have worked with NZF before despite his reputation.
    Winston has been able to negotiate cabinet positions including top positions for himself by keeping everyone guessing.
    Labour knows the Greens are in their hip pocket so they give them a few crumbs outs cabinet.
    Sure as night follows day if the Nats can’t get rid of NZF at the next election Simon will negotiate with them to save his political career.
    
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    November 20, 2019 9:20am
- curry4me
  
  Because that would require him to have a backbone. Such an announcement might raise the vote share for ACT, and the New Conservatives, as it’s become obvious an alternative partner is needed.
  
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  November 20, 2019 10:05am
- MeNotYou
  
  I totally agree he needs to do it.
  
  But it’s too early. I‘ve discussed this at length with someone I can’t name. This person said the same. It will have an immediate impact then start to lose that all the way to election time.
  
  I said Sod that, say it loud and say it often. The reply was the same. Media will stop running it as it would just be the same sound it’s as the day before and the day before that etc.
  
  As others have also said, it would play right into Winnie’s hands – he’ll harp on about National being anti NZ, anti democracy and other such BS.
  
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  November 20, 2019 10:55am
oldpark

No rhyme or reason. Noticed the fledgling Wellington City Councillor named Jill Day whose track record in the the previous Wellington City Councils was rated as the lowest of all classed as a 4 out of 10. Yet some people said that was too high,as she was known to also sneakily play the race card. Some gave her rating as a 2 only because they never saw a 1.
Her reward i kid you not . A position Jill Day appointed as “Chairwoman of the Strategy and Policy Committee”. Her Salary $120,000 up from circa $86000. To reiterate her previous track was she could not run a bath. Go figure that one.
A clone of the previous also ran clown Justin Lester whose legacy is a $40,000 technicoloured pedestrian crossing in Cuba Mall. Being his running mate at the time of the wasteful spend of Ratepayers hard earned money that must make her just as culpable. Lets hope we dont have Lester now that he got a DCM, advising his ex-running mate Jill Day on how to win friends and influence people on wasting Ratepayers Money. Not!
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November 20, 2019 8:21am
KevO'Brien

Are NZF MP’s claiming that they have no knowledge of the Trust receiving donations?

Somebody somewhere does. Who are the Settlors and who are the Beneficiaries? Surely it is not being run solely as a fee generating resource by its creators. It’s income, unless a registered charity, will be taxable under the usual trust rules. Does it escape tax by, itself, making payments to another hidden charity which makes individual disbursements? Is it disbursing beneficiaries income taxable in their hands?

I expect all the convoluted arrangements are lawful. They seem also to be a deliberate attempt to create a private moneybox that could hide donors substantial payments contrary to the tenor of transparency in electoral funding.

I don’t know if anyone has the power to unravel this ugly composite particularly in the face of the demented one’s histronics and anger.
Winston must be seen to be transparent, without that his integrity is at stake.
We must be able to prove that MP’s have not given improper favours. Defending a right to hide financial matters, other than purely domestic ones, in the public political arena itself raises question of integrity.

Winston’s lot have used the Winebox as an example of best practice.
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November 20, 2019 8:24am
Yvette

Who would then own Ihumātao?
He said Fletcher’s were part of the talks, as were Kiingitanga, but Mr Robertson was less forthcoming about whether SOUL – the protesters who have been occupying the land for three years – were part of the talks. “I just don’t want to get into the detail of that … what I’m saying is I’m just not going to get into the details of those discussions,” he said. [1]

So the people who raised the issue of this land are not party to talks?
How the Hell is that possible?

Mr Robertson said there would be an appropriate time to bring everyone to the table – he just wouldn’t say when exactly that was.
The Māori King has weighed in and is urging caution to the government to not further alienate mana whenua at Ihumātao.
In September following talks with those with ties to the land, Kiingitanga concluded it needed to be given back to mana whenua.
Kiingitanga spokesperson Rahui Papa said he was surprised to hear the council might buy the land. [1]

Yes, simply – Why is Auckland Council involved?
“It will be owned by the council and that’s not what the mana whenua were asking for,” Kiingitanga spokesperson Rahui Papa said.

Is he not right?

One question that remains is whether Auckland Council has the financial capacity to even service the loan and whether another option is for the Crown to cover the whole cost. [1]

Also it is understood the Fletchers purchase cleared an appropriate examination by Heritage New Zealand.
If Heritage New Zealand were so wrong in that decision, as to now be considering top status for the land, should they, with Ardern as Minister, explain such an utterly vast mistake?
And also explain where it leaves either the Wallace sale or Fletcher purchase of such reclassified land?

[1] https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/403663/ihumatao-govt-told-not-to-alienate-mana-whenua-from-talks
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November 20, 2019 8:39am
- KevO'Brien
  
  An unlawful occupation results in a legal owner being dispossessed by bullying with the complicity of the Govt, Auckland City Council and the Kingitanga.
  
  Why have we paid out billions to settle grievances?
  Is there no rule of law in New Zealand or is it now Ardern R.?
  
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  November 20, 2019 9:38am
- sooty
  
  I know but. It’s different when the left do it!
  
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  November 20, 2019 9:42am
chaos

Must be something bad coming from labour shortly, puff piece after puff piece the past few days.

* US talk show host Stephen Colbert wants to officiate at Jacinda Ardern’s wedding.

The Late Show frontman – who joked about becoming a Kiwi citizen – recently spent a week in New Zealand.

He was picked up by the prime minister at the airport before enjoying a “New Zealand state dinner” of barbecued sausages and sliced white bread at her Auckland home.*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/117554121/the-late-show-host-stephen-colbert-wants-to-officiate-at-jacinda-arderns-wedding
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November 20, 2019 8:44am
- DigNap15
  
  His ratings in the USA are tanking.
  
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  November 20, 2019 8:56am
  - SGA
    
    Are they? This article suggests that Jimmy Fallon’s the one with major problems. Or, are all three (Colbert, Kimmel, Fallon) tanking and Colbert’s the best of a poor performing bunch?
    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/can-nbc-halt-jimmy-fallons-long-ratings-tumble-1254270
    Not a regular viewer of this sort of show (or free-to-air TV in general), so I am in no position to judge.
    
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    November 20, 2019 11:32am
    - All_on_Red
      
      ‘I am in no position to judge.’
      
      I could give you a link if you like
      Lol
      
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      November 20, 2019 3:02pm
- Scott
  
  I don’t mind liberals leaving America because trump is their president. But why the heck do they have to come here?
  Couldn’t they just emigrate to California? ?
  
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  November 20, 2019 10:27am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Because California is on its way down the gurgler
    
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    November 20, 2019 10:49am
  - info@cruzpro.com
    
    Eh??? I thought that California was part of the USA so “immigrating” from the USA to California confuses me.
    
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    November 20, 2019 8:43pm
Simon

Prince Andrew eh? If he’s a child rapist Bill Clinton is as well.

But can’t see Andrew taken out as the deck of cards would collapse. Too much damage.
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November 20, 2019 8:47am
- Inandout
  
  Simon, at least Andrew doesn’t have a Hillary in the background pulling strings and arranging dodgy things.
  
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  November 20, 2019 9:03am
  - sooty
    
    Will she Arkancide, Bill?
    
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    November 20, 2019 9:43am
- chaos
  
  I tend to think Andrew will be gone, so will both Clinton’s, and many high profile celebrities and politicians, this is far from over. And it’s not just this but people are going through a few groups including the finders and their political connections
  
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  November 20, 2019 10:23am
  - Paginus
    
    It’s good to see that even woke corporations are still against the P in LGBTP.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7701239/The-TOXIC-Duke-Standard-Chartered-latest-big-firm-cut-ties-Prince-Andrew.html
    
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    November 20, 2019 10:35am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Couple of things re Andrew
  1. The age of consent in the UK is 16, where this supposed offense occurred. So not a child.
  2. When did allegation become guilt?
  
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  November 20, 2019 11:34am
  - chaos
    
    It is about the grooming and trafficking of girls legal and underage and Phillip’s participation in that. Also, Phillip had sex with Roberts in a few places not just the uk. New York the age is 17. But the age of consent isn’t what matters here. These people were being trafficked, pushed out to celebrities, politicans, business people.
    
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    November 20, 2019 12:16pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Note to NZ First Office Bunny

Next time you purchase a shredder remember to wipe the internet clean.
And Pay the Bloody Bill!

Txs
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November 20, 2019 8:59am
- chaos
  
  Dear maggy
  
  What’s the Internet,
  
  Regards
  NZ first
  
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  November 20, 2019 10:24am
Inandout

I caught a few lines from a Harold Wilson actor on TV and he admitted that he wasn’t really a true Labour person because he preferred a cigar, brandy and real fish. The other stuff was to put on a face, and boy we have our share of chardonnay socialists haunting the cafes of Ponsonby.
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November 20, 2019 9:01am
Steve James

Impeachment hearing
Another Democrat so called witness eviscerated by Republican cross examination.
This time Lt. Col Vindman caught out lying, exaggerating his importance and known to be a serial leaker of information.
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November 20, 2019 9:05am
- IC5000
  
  You sound desperate
  
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  November 20, 2019 10:31am
unaha-closp

Qantas’ PR department sure does like singling out high profile people to attack, Israel Folau and now Will.i.am.
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November 20, 2019 9:20am
- chaos
  
  Yes how dare they not make him put his laptop away when landing
  
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  November 20, 2019 11:13am
Maggie Pie

Word of the day:

DEUTEROSTOMES (n)
Humans are deuterostomes, which means that when they develop in the womb, the anus forms before any other opening.

[My partner reckons this basically means at one point people were nothing but assholes.
A few of them never actually develop beyond that stage]
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November 20, 2019 9:23am
- chaos
  
  Well some have an anus with hands allowing them to work on this forum as labour trolls
  
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  November 20, 2019 10:48am
- RW Capitalist
  
  So Winston is a birth defect.
  The asshole developed perfectly, the rest of him, not so much.
  
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  November 20, 2019 12:05pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Thank goodness we do have bumholes…
  some animals have to poop out of their mouth.
  
  Getting to the bottom of anal evolution
  https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S004452311500011X
  
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  November 20, 2019 3:52pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    and perhaps the bird-lovers amongst us can consider why an anus doubles as the reproductive opening…
    
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    November 20, 2019 3:59pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    If one searches Google images ‘face anus’, I wonder whose visage appears most often. Asking for a friend.
    
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    November 20, 2019 3:59pm
Hugh Pavletich

AUCKLAND NEW ZEALAND …

New home completions in Auckland up 25% on a year ago … Greg Ninness … Interest Co NZ

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/102642/new-home-completions-auckland-25-year-ago

The number of new homes being built in Auckland continues to increase at a substantial clip.

Auckland Council issued 3534 Code Compliance Certificates for new dwellings in the third quarter of this year, up 12.2% compared to the second quarter, up 25.1% compared to the third quarter of last year and up a whopping 82.4% compared to the third quarter of 2017. … read more via hyperlink above …
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Property owners and developers want more councils to be directed by Government under new planning rules … Marta Steeman … Stuff NZ

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/116615782/property-owners-and-developers-want-more-councils-to-be-directed-by-government-under-new-planning-rules

… concluding …

… (Local Government New Zealand says …) … The real obstacles to development were a restrictive planning regime, too much risk on councils regarding building and the inability to open up land for development because of poor infrastructure funding and financing tools.
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… By a country mile housing is THE major public policy issue in New Zealand … and has been for a long time …

The IPSOS New Zealand Issues Monitor – July 2019

https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2019-08/6th_ipsos_new_zealand_issues_monitor_released_1_aug_19.pdf
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November 20, 2019 9:31am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  UNITED STATES …
  
  US housing starts rebound; building permits at highest level in over 12 years … CNBC
  
  https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/19/us-housing-starts-total-1point314m-in-october-vs-1point320m-expected.html
  
  KEY POINTS
  • U.S. homebuilding rebounded in October and permits for future home construction jumped to a more than 12-year high.
  • The data pointed to strength in the housing market amid lower mortgage rates.
  • Housing starts increased 3.8% to 1.314 million units last month, with single-family construction rising for a fifth straight month and activity in the volatile multi-family sector rebounding solidly, the Commerce Department said.
  
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  November 20, 2019 1:40pm
Fletch

Interesting. Old solider (95 years old who fought in WWII) meets young soldier for a discussion on the experience of war.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSTdUqgIdyk
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November 20, 2019 9:52am
curry4me

The yellow vest protests continue. They are just over a year old. Definitely a headache for ‘teacher’s pet’ [Macron] Meanwhile, in Iran, the workers have joined the middle class in protesting the regime. The internet has been shut down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LNP2SFV5gg
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November 20, 2019 9:57am
wreck1080

Anti vax people have 16 deaths in Samoa on their conscience…

Quite awful, 16 measles related deaths in a population of 200,000. And entirely preventable.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/18/world/australia/samoa-measles-deaths-vaccination.html
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November 20, 2019 10:09am
- chaos
  
  Ah no they dont. The problem in samoa was caused by two nurses screwing up the vaccines which lead to people being too afraid to have their kids vaccinated as was reported a while ago
  
  https://www.google.com/amp/amp.abc.net.au/article/11713644
  
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  November 20, 2019 10:37am
- RW Capitalist
  
  CoL have 16 deaths in Samoa on their conscience…
  Considering the Samoa outbreak is linked to NZ
  Since this govt. removed the vaccination targets that National worked so hard on and got to 95%, and the rates dropped below 90%, quickly followed by the outbreak in NZ.
  
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  November 20, 2019 10:47am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Samoa is a sovereign State. It makes it’s own decisions about health programs and risks. It also has a widely flung group of nationals including in the USA and Australia. There is free movement between Samoa and American Samoa. It’s obligation is to protect it’s own health and borders.
    
    We should not let the pandemic of 1918 colour our relations. because of Samoa’s residual grief. NZ was not responsible for returning war veterans world wide. The epidemic devastated where it will. It hit many places severely. Small Island nations were probably less exposed to protective prior infections which might have helped immunity. No one was safe. It took my grandmother too.
    
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    November 20, 2019 11:44am
  - artemisia
    
    Parents in New Zealand have almost no excuse not to vaccinate their offspring. If some did not, and took measles to Samoa, responsibility lies with those parents, not the government.
    
    There are a few reasons not to vaccinate in specific circumstances, age being the main one.
    
    Herd immunity deals with that. We lost that, sounds like Samoa does not have it. That is partly government responsibility, only partly.
    
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    November 20, 2019 12:06pm
- Jules99
  
  From the actual article you link to:
  
  The epidemic has come as the immunization rate against measles has plummeted in Samoa in the years since a medical mistake led to the deaths of two infants and spurred widespread mistrust of vaccinations. In those cases, nurses mistakenly administered a vaccine mixed with an anaesthetic.
  
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  November 20, 2019 10:49am
Maggy Wassilieff

A weeping sore..

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/19/a-weeping-sore-jacinda-ardern-must-clean-up-new-zealands-political-donations-mess

Max Rushbrooke realises NZ is corrupt.
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November 20, 2019 10:32am
- Inandout
  
  Maggy, this is a Guardian (Corbyn) article; amazing.
  
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  November 20, 2019 11:11am
Maggy Wassilieff

350 Council staff in Auckland to get the chop.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/117547721/auckland-council-cuts-80-staff-en-route-to-350-fewer

Gosh they will be pleased they are helping Auckland achieve United Nation Sustainability Goals.

Helen Clark spoke to Stuff’s Todd Niall on the role Auckland Council could take in meeting global UN sustainability goals.
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November 20, 2019 10:40am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Bloody good job, but why only 350?
  
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  November 20, 2019 11:15am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I bet it is the guy who cleans the toilets in our Northshore beach suburb and not some policy writer on the 13th floor on $150,000.00 pa, x 350
    
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    November 20, 2019 2:20pm
    - Rich Prick
      
      You can be sure the diversity officers and climate change staff will survive the cuts.
      
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      November 20, 2019 3:42pm
      - sooty
        
        That’s what the minimum wage does to you!
        It takes your job out from under your feet!
        They could have sacked one of the of the ones on two hundy a year and saved everyones jobs!
        
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        November 20, 2019 3:56pm
- rangitoto
  
  I hope the 350 aren’t the ones who do the actual work.
  
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  November 20, 2019 1:53pm
RW Capitalist

Watched some of Volkers “testimony” at this sham impeachment inquiry.
Summary
I am wonderful
My view of events is the only one
I have no first hand knowledge of the call
I viewed my position as to mold Ukrainian policy (NO, your job was to do as you were told, by the President, and advise him of what was going on).
I am a friend of Joe Biden…for 24 yrs.
I don’t believe Joe Biden acted inappropriately.
(Didn’t see the statement he made on national TV, about withholding aid if they didn’t fire the prosecutor investigating Barisma, huh???)
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November 20, 2019 10:44am
Maggie Pie

Killing your partner and dumping their body isn’t kinky sex.

Just saying.
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November 20, 2019 11:04am
- Batman
  
  Absolutely. The bastard should be given a 15 year minimum
  
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  November 20, 2019 11:08am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Should your husband be worried?
  
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  November 20, 2019 11:28am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    at least i’d attempt resus or call for an ambulance –
    not head out for another root and buy a shovel.
    
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    November 20, 2019 11:44am
    - Poppa
      
      Brilliant Maggie……I am still creasing up reading that
      
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      November 20, 2019 1:32pm
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Or, making it a selfie opportunity.
      
      What a wankstain on society this guy is.
      
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      November 20, 2019 2:23pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh whoopty-do…
some rats got washed down to sea in a flood.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/117563759/no-1080-presence-in-rats-washed-up-on-west-coast-beach

As if thats never happened before.
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November 20, 2019 12:25pm
- stephieboy
  
  They say 300 got washed up which is not I understand typical.
  
  But it might suggest local authorities need to revisit the effectiveness of their vermin contol procedures.
  
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  November 20, 2019 12:53pm
- rangitoto
  
  Even better if they had been taken out by 1080.
  
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  November 20, 2019 1:35pm
rouppe

I love how Jacinda Adern calls climate change the nuclear free moment of our time but she’s perfectly happy for Clarke to jet off for a couple of days to go swimming.
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November 20, 2019 12:27pm
- stephieboy
  
  rouupe, tall poppy syndrome wont get you anywhere.
  
  Sigh!
  
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  November 20, 2019 12:55pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Pointing out hypocrisy does though…
    
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    November 20, 2019 3:06pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Tall Poppy????????
    At their level of achievement, more like Mr and Mrs Potato head, subterranean.
    
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    November 20, 2019 5:21pm
Rodney Randall

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/117561535/christchurch-man-who-plotted-terroriststyle-attack-back-behind-bars

“A 20-year-old who once planned a terrorist-style attack in Christchurch is back in custody after allegedly abusing staff at his supervised accommodation.

The man, who has permanent name suppression, was 17 in 2017 when was radicalised online and planned an ISIS-style attack. He wanted to ram a car into a crowd and then stab people until police killed him.

He went ahead with a threatening and violent incident which caused damage but he decided not to hurt anybody “because he did not have the means to kill enough people”, he said.”

Judge Tony Couch sent him to jail for multiple breaches.

Will Judge Stephen O’Driscoll be recommending additional golf rounds at Hagley, extra councilling sessions at the local mosque and bbqs when this failed terrorist appears next week?
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November 20, 2019 12:31pm
Sideoiler

Banned firearms: ‘There’s effectively a permanent amnesty’

Hows that buy back thing going for you Cindy?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/117554483/banned-firearms-theres-effectively-a-permanent-amnesty
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November 20, 2019 12:43pm
curry4me

Joe Biden reckons pot is a ‘gateway drug’ The 80s called, and they want their drug policy back. democrats largely approve of legalized weed. States that have legalized it haven’t fallen apart. Independent voters like the idea. President Trump likes the idea, and takes a state’s rights position on the question.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxhbxrgUKks
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November 20, 2019 12:57pm
- Inandout
  
  curry, look what pot did for Joe, he still thinks he is Vice President.
  
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  November 20, 2019 3:30pm
  - curry4me
    
    Good one. Poor guy likely has pre-senile dementia. Wouldn’t even wish that on Harvey Weinstein, or Hilzilla.
    
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    November 20, 2019 8:42pm
- MCos
  
  Biden may or may not believe cannabis is a gateway drug.
  However.
  He’s probably figured out which way the wind is blowing in the marginal states.
  
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  November 20, 2019 3:47pm
  - curry4me
    
    I think his obvious dementia will end his campaign.
    
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    November 20, 2019 8:43pm
chaos

Weird a speaker of the house being offended by facial expression of a member in the house. Worst speaker ever trying to protect Cindy. And now Cindy trying to cover for Winston.

Now corrupt Winston gets up and says point of order, starts to ask a question then when questioned says it is a question. He’s lost it
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November 20, 2019 2:12pm
- chaos
  
  So mod, I’m allowed to call Winston corrupt but not mallard, what’s the difference?
  
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  November 20, 2019 2:56pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  QT was quite exciting today – especially Q5 [Chris Bishop] and Q8 [Nick Smith] both relating to the NZ First donations saga.
  
  But the matter that really caught my attention, was Q7.
  It got me thinking how unlucky you would have to be, to arrive say late for a movie, and be ushered to a seat directly behind Anahila Kanongata’a-Suisuiki 🙁
  
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  November 20, 2019 3:29pm
  - chaos
    
    Or worse, kfc
    
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    November 20, 2019 5:03pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      I realise it’s nesting time, but that hair is A.Mazing! 😀
      
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      November 20, 2019 5:13pm
- Rich Prick
  
  He found only half his marbles that morning.
  
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  November 20, 2019 3:52pm
  - Happychappy
    
    What the fuck is calling or comparing Micheal Chieka with Simon Bridges got to do Parliament, question time or the Speaker Trevor Mallard he is paid to control the house not give out insults.
    
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    November 20, 2019 5:04pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Both Ardern and Winston NZF will sink together.
  What will Ardern do if the Electoral Commission finds Winston in a serious breach?
  
  Fascinating that the NZF former Treasurer did not know of the donations Trust. Could it be being administered by a ticket clipper who makes the occasional loan to NZF or it agent on demand? Any suggestions as to what law may be available to turn the Trust over?
  
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  November 20, 2019 7:12pm
chaos

What a load of rubbish, this guy is sick and well done to her for pointing out what a sick person he is

* Authority says US dolphin lover was treated unfairly by The Edge’s Dom, Meg and Randell

A man who had sex with a dolphin and wrote a book about it was treated unfairly by The Edge radio station, the Broadcasting Standards Authority (BSA) says.

According to the BSA decision handed down this month, Florida man Malcolm Brenner should have been given the chance to comment on air during an interview on MediaWorks’ owned Dom, Meg and Randell show about his relationship with Dolly the dolphin in 1971.

However, the show broadcast only a small segment of the interview on April 3 where host Megan Annear called Brenner “sick” and stormed out of the interview. *

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/117561194/authority-says-us-dolphin-lover-was-treated-unfairly-by-the-edges-dom-meg-and-randell
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November 20, 2019 3:21pm
JibberJabber

David Alan Grier

It’s all “Okay Boomer” til you need help paying off your credit card.
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November 20, 2019 4:11pm
DigNap15

Just got back from the New Conservatives meeting at the CT club, Tauranga. An enthusiastic meeting with about 120 people there.
The two leaders were there and a few local supports in nice lt Blue T shirts.
Both leaders spoke for about 20 minutes with no notes and much audience participation.

They discussed about 27 polices.
I liked
No race based laws.
Prisoners do nto get out (ever) until they have learned a trade and done one year of outside work.
Free Speech
No LGBT ideology
Welfare a hand up not a hand out. (no long term beneficiaries)
No ETS
Pull out of the Paris Accord
All Referendum will be biding
No rushed legislation like firearms, proper consultancy time.

More meetings at Bethlehem, Katikati and Papamoa
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November 20, 2019 4:16pm
- curry4me
  
  One thing I like about them is if Elliott makes a short comment in Maori; it’s followed by the same comment in English. I think they will get my vote.
  
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  November 20, 2019 8:46pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Women have to clean up Landmine sites.
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-asia-50479678/the-women-removing-landmines-in-afghanistan

Thanks guys.
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November 20, 2019 4:52pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Not to worry Maggy, I am sure there will be quite a few men at various levels who will be supervising and advising the women on their work – whilst quietly sitting on sand dunes a safe distance away……….
  
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  November 20, 2019 5:31pm
  - sooty
    
    Will they need retraining to pickup artillery shells?
    
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    November 20, 2019 6:02pm
Swifty

Thieving scumbags:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/117558742/zespri-to-take-civil-case-in-china-as-illegal-gold-kiwifruit-plantings-expand
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November 20, 2019 5:29pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Bloody hell..
  Chinese stealing our Chinese gooseberries.
  
  Nec Minit… we’ll be giving kiwifruit taonga status….or maybe that’s reserved for Cannabis
  https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/crown-called-favour-m-ori-cannabis-production-if-nz-votes-yes-legalisation?auto=0
  
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  November 20, 2019 6:18pm
  - Swifty
    
    Heh.
    
    It is a sacred herb after all…..
    
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    November 20, 2019 6:25pm
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND … CHEAPER (PUBLIC SERVICE) BOSSES …

… It is well known New Zealand public servants are generally overpaid … but by how much ? …

A review of things you need to know before you go home on Wednesday: more rate cuts, rising dairy prices, Westpac holds reputation hand grenade, lower farm sales, higher house price expectations, swaps lower, NZD firm, & more … David Chaston … Interest Co NZ

https://www.interest.co.nz/news/102661/review-things-you-need-know-you-go-home-wednesday-more-rate-cuts-rising-dairy-prices

… extract …

… CHEAPER (PUBLIC SERVICE) BOSSES

The State Services Commission is crowing that it is forcing down the pay of the chief executives in the public sector. The average pay for public service chief executives increased +1.2% in 2018/19 compared with a +2.3% increase for chief executives in the broader public sector and +2.9% in the private sector. “Overall, however, the Commissioner’s conservative approach has resulted in the average salary package paid to public service chief executives decreasing -4.3% in 2018/19. The average salary package paid to public service chief executives in this year’s report is $478,000, compared with $500,000 in 2017/18 and down from $504,000 in 2016/17. This represents a -5.1% decrease since 2016/17”.
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… In at least 5 States of the United States (as this writer recalls) it is mandatory that public servants individual salaries are disclosed … to illustrate … Texas …

Government Salaries Explorer – The Texas Tribune

https://salaries.texastribune.org/

Use The Texas Tribune’s Government Salaries Explorer to review the compensation of hundreds of thousands of state and municipal employees in Texas, including those working for state agencies, counties and public universities. This data is obtained by requesting salary records from those public entities through the Texas Public Information Act.

The Tribune publishes this information because its journalists believe that disclosing how tax dollars are spent is in the public interest. To date, this database contains: … read more via hyperlink above …
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… By how much are New Zealand public servants generally overpaid, when the appropriate ‘standards of living’ adjustments are made to specific jurisdictions (noting for example the wide variance within the United States) within the Anglosphere ? …

List of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita … Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita
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November 20, 2019 5:59pm
Swifty

Kids these days don’t know what they’re missing…..

https://youtu.be/EpF6o2-nx4I?t=345

UFO 1970 – 1971 Opening and Closing Theme (With Snippets) Blu-Ray Dolby 5.1

🙂
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November 20, 2019 6:12pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  That was the greatest TV show…ever! And that opening sequence with the theme music pretty much summed up the show in a nutshell.
  Gerry Anderson’s finest work. One reviewer said that getting to work with live actors after so many years of the puppet shows (Thunderbirds, etc), Gerry Anderson had to go and get people who acted like marionettes.
  
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  November 20, 2019 7:18pm
chaos

* Act leader David Seymour says he might go to police over NZ First donation allegations

Act Leader David Seymour is considering going directly to the police over whether donations given to the New Zealand First Foundation were lawful.

“One way or another, someone has to get at what those people [donors] were being told because they could have been misled when they made their donations.”

He told the Herald it was important to know what the donations were being used for.*

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12286959
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November 20, 2019 7:27pm
chaos

Rotflmfao

* Newshub can reveal that the Government not only failed to sell some KiwiBuilds to first home buyers – but it couldn’t even flog them off to Housing New Zealand (HNZ) as they didn’t fit design standards.*

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/11/government-can-t-sell-kiwibuild-homes-to-housing-new-zealand-due-to-design-standards.html
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November 20, 2019 8:03pm
- DigNap15
  
  No its becasue they can fit 7 children in them!
  
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  November 20, 2019 8:34pm
Happychappy

Surely Phil Twyford should have sacked been from any portfolio’s he has when there has been allegations that the houses in
Te Kawhata wont even be snapped up by NZ Housing Corporation because of there design and standard.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/11/government-can-t-sell-kiwibuild-homes-to-housing-new-zealand-due-to-design-standards.html
It has been stated the Government can’t sell eleven of these new houses due to design and standard, Twyford s head should be on the block here for agreeing to buy these houses off the plan from building developers when a under pressure to keep their promises to build 100,000 houses in ten years and end the housing crisis.
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