General Debate 17 November 2019

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Michael

Welcome to another Sunday.
I hope your Day goes well.

Following on from Happy Chappy.
I hope ACT get at least 250,000 extra votes from all over this time round.
David Seymour deserves it and the country needs it.
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November 17, 2019 8:07am
- Happychappy
  
  You are being a little optimistic after their display in 2017 of just over 13, 700 vote I think. I am not a fan of David Seymour but I believe they should have to show a vast improvement of the equivalent of 2 or 3 seats in lead up polls by March 2020 and if not Paul Goldsmith should be who National support in that electorate.
  
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  November 17, 2019 9:25am
  - srylands
    
    You may be correct. However there are some disaffected National supporters and David’s profile has never been higher. If ACT fails to get at least 3 MPs in 2020 it says a lot. I’ve never been more pessimistic about New Zealand’s future. And I don’t think a National Government would make the changes required. Slowing the decline is not enough.
    
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    November 17, 2019 10:28am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      A National Government would love to make the changes required but knows it would be electoral suicide in the face of so many voters wanting free stuff.
      Unfortunately they have to perform a very delicate balancing act.
      
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      November 17, 2019 11:39am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Quite so Captain. And you can thank MMP for that.
        
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        November 17, 2019 2:50pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      Slowing the decline is not enough
      
      Agreed. NZ is careering Left with the red socialists in charge. With the blue pseudo-socialists in charge we can be sure of a tad more brake, and a tad less accelerator. In short, delaying the demise.
      
      ACT is the only party with a declared intention to wrestle for the steering wheel.
      
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      November 17, 2019 1:29pm
      - Harriet
        
        “…..With the blue pseudo-socialists in charge we can be sure of a tad more brake, and a tad less accelerator. In short, delaying the demise……”
        
        Spot on Krazy, and it can be summarised over the Charter School matter; it was only ever a ACT policy to form government – it was never about the kids – as Key ‘trialed 6 schools’ for something like 6yrs, hardly promoted them, and after losing the election National only whimpered about the effects on the ‘current students’ and not on the effects of future students through the loss of charter schools. And now look at the mess – fucken ‘hubs’ – more like local Labour/Green/union/wimmin offices!
        
        National will do the same over Roger’s decades old policy of ‘school vouchers’ – or whatever name it is currently promoted under; do a deal to form government, then rule to appease people in the hope of winning the next election.
        
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        November 17, 2019 2:08pm
      - Michael
        
        Krazy
        You are correct a vote for NZF is a vote for Labour and therefore the Greens (Watermelons).
        Whereas a vote for National is a delaying tactic, maybe light blue hue…..
        
        Party Vote David Seymour ( ACT)
        The only one to defend our Freedoms.
        
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        November 17, 2019 3:53pm
- Steve James
  
  ???
  
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  November 17, 2019 9:30am
Tempist

Nice article in Stuff from Damien Grant on Boomer-gate

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/117392407/damien-grant-quit-whinging-millennials-boomers-built-your-houses-and-endured-actual-nuclear-war
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November 17, 2019 8:08am
- Lizziep
  
  Tempist thanks for sharing that is a great piece of reporting, and about time too.
  
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  November 17, 2019 9:49am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Good on Damien giving it to the snivelling whiners like little Cloe. Instead of bitching they should be getting on and making something of themselves like the Boomers did.
  
  Boomers parents lived thru the Depression and WW2 then built a decent society.
  
  What have these silly little people done except whine and whinge.
  
  Get over it and get on and earn your stripes and pay your dues to society.
  
  Then the Boomers might respect you.
  
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  November 17, 2019 9:56am
  - Ruahine
    
    Here is another one of the whinging bludgers with her new best friend.
    This is a real fake news story if ever there was one. This person who says he is an Iranian Kurd has already been approved to be able to go to the US.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/15/behrouz-boochani-today-aotearoa-new-zealand-stands-as-a-counterpoint-to-the-politics-of-hate
    
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    November 17, 2019 10:11am
    - Ruahine
      
      A little bit more.
      It looks as if this ‘friend’ of the Green bludger might be trying his luck in NZ. Every chance he will get asylum again and then join the gravy train at the expense of NZ taxpayer. Somewhere like Massey University would be nice for him.
      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/15/no-special-treatment-for-behrouz-boochani-says-new-zealand
      
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      November 17, 2019 10:17am
Andrei

I have an old YouTube channel the pre-dates Googles ownership of the platform. Gave up on it years ago because of the bogus copywrite claims against my videos, a subject worth exploring sometime.

Anyway yesterday I received his missive

Hi andreiml1,
As you may know, our Community Guidelines describe which content we allow – and don’t allow – on YouTube. Your video The Gas man was flagged to us for review. Upon review, we’ve determined that it violates our guidelines and we’ve removed it from YouTube.
We know that this might be disappointing, but it’s important to us that YouTube is a safe place for all. If content breaks our rules, we remove it. If you think we’ve made a mistake, you can appeal and we’ll take another look. Keep reading for more details.
Video content restrictions
Content glorifying or inciting violence against another person or group of people is not allowed on YouTube. We also don’t allow any content that encourages hatred of another person or group of people based on their membership in a protected group. We review educational, documentary, artistic, and scientific content on a case-by-case basis. Limited exceptions are made for content with sufficient and appropriate context and where the purpose of posting is clear.

Impact on your account
This removal has not resulted in a Community Guidelines strike or penalty on your account. However, we still encourage you to review all of your content to make sure it’s in line with our Community Guidelines. Additional violations could result in strikes against your account, or even lead to account termination.
How you can respond
If you believe this was a mistake, we’d like to hear from you. To appeal this removal, please submit this form. Our team will thoroughly review your appeal and will contact you again soon.
Sincerely,
– The YouTube Team

I don’t give a shit about the video or the old YouTube channel but seriously the offending video was an extract from Gunter Grass’s “Die Blechtrommel” for which he received a Nobel prize in literature

So clicked the appeal link to point this out to YouTube only to presented with a one line textbox about 40 characters long to make my case. It accepeted maybe 200 characters – clearly they have no real interest in reviewing this – they are the arbiters of what is acceptable public discourse and what is “hate speech” and have no understanding of great literature. Shakespeare is done for“Merchant of Venice” anti semitic. “Orthello” traditionally played by an actor in Blackface

We are doomed to a future of Walt Disney cartoons and Thomas the Tank Engine
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November 17, 2019 8:11am
- curry4me
  
  Put your stuff up on BitChute, or Minds.
  
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  November 17, 2019 9:17am
- Than
  
  Less than that, only a woke-acceptable subset of Disney cartoons – Songs of the South is out (presents antebellum slavery without focusing purely on guilt-tripping white people) and so is Dumbo (racist Jim Crow characters).
  
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  November 17, 2019 9:29am
- Komata
  
  Andrei@0811
  
  Re: ‘We are doomed to a future of Walt Disney cartoons and Thomas the Tank Engine’
  
  And to ‘Snowflakes’ who know nothing else, those will become the pinnacle of literary achievement.
  
  By such means as Google have used, does ‘society’ become dumbed down (and the ‘enslavement’ process commence), ‘cos if you don’t know any different…
  
  Thank you.
  
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  November 17, 2019 9:38am
sooty

Even Tame Jack says that Mr Trump is going to walk back in to his second term!
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November 17, 2019 8:15am
JibberJabber

Great column today by Damien Grant.

“I have one thing to say about our emissions heating up the planet,” writes Damien Grant. “Pull my finger.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/117392407/damien-grant-quit-whinging-millennials-boomers-built-your-houses-and-endured-actual-nuclear-war

Boomers had to endure Peak Oil, the Ozone Hole, Y2K and Billy Ray Cyrus. Each crisis passed only to be replaced by a new panic, which is why they don’t take whining teenagers crying into their iPhones and waving jazz hands seriously.

L O fucking L.
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November 17, 2019 8:17am
- JibberJabber
  
  And it gets even better, I can`t even imagine how you could raise something this piss weak,
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/117322980/young-kiwis-anxiety-about-plastic-similar-to-previous-nuclear-war-fears
  
  Reinforces everything Grant says.
  
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  November 17, 2019 9:22am
  - Lizziep
    
    When there are no real anxieties around people seem to make them up to satisfy some odd addiction to being anxious.
    
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    November 17, 2019 9:54am
  - rouppe
    
    And of course comments are disabled so no one can point out how fragile one has to be to have panic attacks about plastic in the supermarket when that same person is wearing plastic on their nose every day.
    
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    November 17, 2019 10:20am
    - curry4me
      
      You can get into comments sections through the Gab dissenter browser. You might need a VPN to fool the site you’re not from NZ though. I haven’t tried it.
      
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      November 17, 2019 2:21pm
artemisia

Appears Minister Faafoi will be announcing new tenancy rules today. According to Stuff this morning bad behaviour or late rent …. may be reasons to terminate a tenancy?

No. Landlord will have to apply to the Tenancy Tribunal for an order that may or may not be granted. What level of proof will be required? What say the tenant disputes the reasons? And if it is granted, what timing? Who knows?

Maybe the Minister will tell us what the TT is required to do if the tests are met (one test is 3 complaints in 90 days, not a high bar).

We will have to wait and see when the announcement is made. Unless the new rules are in force immediately I predict there will be a lot of 90 day notices issued right away.
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November 17, 2019 8:17am
Gandolfo

I see it costs $1500 to have lunch with Jacinta Ardern. No thank you. The Moscow Circus is in town and it costs a lot less.
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November 17, 2019 8:18am
- dubya
  
  I thought Labour were the Moscow Circus?
  
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  November 17, 2019 9:11am
  - Colville
    
    …except the circus has people with talent.
    
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    November 17, 2019 10:25am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Remember when Labour and the Greens used to go ballistic at John Key over the Cabinet Club, and “cash for access”?
  
  https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/politics/labour-accused-of-hypocrisy-over-grant-robertson-speech/
  
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  November 17, 2019 9:22am
- Liberty
  
  Crony capitalist will be lining up.
  
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  November 17, 2019 9:37am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Surprised they are selling her time so cheap, but I guess you can only get what the market will pay.
  Think I remember Bill Shorten picking up $55,000 for the cause, lunching with a Chinese developer.
  Be interesting to pay the bucks and know wether it gave access for full lunch or she had the right to walk if the blow torch was applied.
  Someone like Paul Murray one on one would be well worth the $1500. Of course the minders will write the rules and questions you can ask.just being silly thinking she is open and transparent.
  
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  November 17, 2019 9:51am
- Ruahine
  
  That is great value. It is just like The Warehouse.
  
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  November 17, 2019 10:43am
  - niggly
    
    At least the Warehouse refunds your money if you bought a dud …
    
    On the other hand Labour takes the money whilst giving you something “pretty and shiny” but doesn’t work very well … then puts their hands down your trousers to tax the change you just pocketed on the way out the door!
    
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    November 17, 2019 11:14am
  - sooty
    
    Is her book in the bargin bin yet?
    
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    November 17, 2019 11:18am
Brian McDonald

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I know objectivity is sparse on KB when it comes to Trump. But we are getting a picture of how something did or didn’t happen.
Some of Trumps people are going to prison. Others such as Giuliani and Sondland might soon get the chop – Giuliani of the 2 of them is under investigation having playing a third leg part in foreign policy.
Why are these people surrounding Trump being investigated or going to prison has become a legitimate question. Some enlarged to bursting co-incidence? Why would aid be withheld from an American ally at war with Russia – for the same reason the Kurds got whacked, ally’s one day abandoned the next?
This is from the Washington Post and we all know it’s anti Trump. Everyone who has doubts about Trump is anti Trump. Even 30 year diplomats like Yovanovitch are ‘bad news.’ Everyone is ‘bad news’ in Trumps circle or can become ‘bad news’ apparently accidentally.
If I’ve made a grammar or spelling mistake that will explain everything.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/how-a-cia-analyst-alarmed-by-trumps-shadow-foreign-policy-triggered-an-impeachment-inquiry/2019/11/15/042684a8-03c3-11ea-8292-c46ee8cb3dce_story.html?wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1
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November 17, 2019 8:24am
- Steve James
  
  I think Giuliani is a problem in that I suspect he “went off the reservation” Listening to him speak confirms it to me.
  However, the Democrats are Lunatics and should not be given any credence at all. Between them and the msm very very few truths are ever told; especially when pertaining to President Trump.
  
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  November 17, 2019 8:48am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Sure, Giuliani is being lined up to be thrown under the bus, right after Sondland.
    
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    November 17, 2019 9:25am
    - SGA
      
      I’ve been wondering about that too. However, I’m not so sure that Giuliani would be as willing to go quietly, which may offer him some protection.
      
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      November 17, 2019 10:15am
      - IC5000
        
        Let’s hope he recorded his conversation. For the historical record of course. Lol
        
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        November 17, 2019 11:34am
- Aunty
  
  I wouldn’t call the Ukraine an ally of the United States. More like the enemy of your enemy is your friend.
  
  But frankly, who cares about this piece of American domestic politics? What’s it got to do with us? Absolutely nothing. Does it affect us? Not in the slightest. Do we have any influence over it? None whatsoever. Depending upon your point of view, at best Donald Trump has only 14 months left in the Presidency, or at worst, 50 months and then he’s gone, impeachment or not.
  
  This has always been a problem in New Zealand in my view. Far too much focus, time, energy and concern spent on the domestic politics of other countries (and then trying to make those problems ours) and not enough focus on our own domestic issues which should be front and center of what occupies us.
  
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  November 17, 2019 9:04am
  - SGA
    
    But frankly, who cares about this piece of American domestic politics? What’s it got to do with us? Absolutely nothing. Does it affect us? Not in the slightest.
    
    Yes and no. The USA’s major role in geopolitics and world trade does have ramifications for NZ, and the President is influential in USA’s policy in such areas. We are no immune from the USA’s interactions with China, for instance.
    Also, I stocked up on popcorn when Trump got elected, and the show hasn’t let me down. Part of me would welcome a second season for that reason only.
    
    Do we have any influence over it? None whatsoever.
    
    True, but like most things on the news to be fair.
    
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    November 17, 2019 9:24am
    - G152
      
      In the 1930s the US went all isolationist which led to WW2.
      And its happening again.
      The US is pulling up the drawbridge and thanks to the insanity of the democraps are no longer interested in the outside world
      
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      November 17, 2019 9:47am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        So the leftist fascists Third Reich with panzers were just coincidental then?
        
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        November 17, 2019 10:41am
      - stephieboy
        
        The Nazis were not leftists! They for example never nationalised their war machinery like Krupp, IG Farben, Messschement, Porsche etc, etc
        
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        November 17, 2019 12:21pm
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        So the National Socialist German Workers’ Party, commonly created and supported the ideology of National Socialism
        
        The word socialist and its deritives seems to pop up an awful lot, coincidence do you think?
        
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        November 17, 2019 12:55pm
- Billy Collins
  
  “we are getting a picture of how something did or didn’t happen.”
  
  Really? Remember, a guy heard from 3rd hand gossip around the water-cooler about a call where Trump was withholding aid until Ukraine does something. We get the transcript of the call and aid isn’t mentioned at all. Not even once.
  
  Not only could they not find any reason to believe this complaint had any legitimacy whatsoever, but they investigate it and found it to be a false claim. Yet, the Dems started an entire impeachment inquiry on the basis of it anyway.
  
  Then immediately after, they are told numerous times that Ukraine has no knowledge of aid being withheld at the time of the call where, remember aid was never even mentioned once. And yet, they continue this inquiry with nothing more than 3rd hand gossip.
  
  This kind of scummy behavior is the game that is being played. Whatever your view of Trump, one can conclude the Dems are far from running a fair and honest process here.
  
  How about this? The Dems are subpoenaing people based on this: a guy heard from another guy who just recently remembered that months ago he heard another guy say the word “investigation” from the other end of another guy’s phone call, and believed, without any confirmation at all, that it was Trump who said it.
  
  Seriously?
  
  “Why are these people surrounding Trump being investigated or going to prison has become a legitimate question.”
  
  When the game being played is clearly low down dirty political hackery at its worst, what do you expect? They are starting investigations based on gossip and contradicting opinions without anyone backing any of their opinions up with actual evidence.
  
  “Why would aid be withheld from an American ally at war with Russia”
  
  Good question, ask Joe Biden.
  
  A fairer question is: why is aid being withheld from an ally that is known to have serious corruption problems? There could be all sorts of reasons to withhold aid that you can imagine, I’m sure. Until the withholding of aid can be connected to the favour, you have nothing, and even then, it’s still not enough to say anything dodgy was definitely going on.
  
  “Everyone who has doubts about Trump is anti Trump.”
  
  Theres no problem doubting Trump if you have good reason to doubt, but do you have good reason? When you have such a farcical impeachment enquiry against him built upon gossip that was disproven, until they have something more than that, you should be more doubtful of the Dems behaviour and motives than Trump’s.
  
  The only thing that can be confirmed right now is that Trump asked Ukraine to investigate why Joe Biden, as the VP, interfered in foreign legal affairs that he clearly had a very very serious conflict of interest in, which is a fair thing for the President to want investigated, whether he happens to gain personally from it or not.
  
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  November 17, 2019 9:32am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    “Really? Remember, a guy heard from 3rd hand gossip around the water-cooler about a call where Trump was withholding aid until Ukraine does something. We get the transcript of the call and aid isn’t mentioned at all. Not even once.”
    Unless you’re painting with numbers in kindergarten it didn’t have to be. He was generally just asking for a favour right? Nothing to do with the prosecutor getting fired, the bad diplomat or Biden. Just all random connections. Sure.
    Don’t recall if it was Yovanovitch or someone else who recently said that Ambassadors and diplomats were genuinely concerned about making a public statement – least a tweet followed contradicting them. And of course when you went from good to bad with the tweet box, the next tweet was calling for a bus to park outside your office because you ‘were going to go through some things,’ or maybe under them.
    Will the day happen when some republicans call him out, tell him he’s not wearing any clothes or that Rome is burning? Somehow I think John McCain would have reached that point, oh I forgot he was a coward that got caught.
    
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    November 17, 2019 12:12pm
    - Billy Collins
      
      “He was generally just asking for a favour right? Nothing to do with the prosecutor getting fired, the bad diplomat or Biden. Just all random connections. Sure.”
      
      Uh…I expliticly said that was the favour. None of that is debated. You aren’t follow are you? The part that the whistleblower mentions is aid being withheld. That is no where in the call. That’s the disconnect.
      
      Keep up, mate.
      
      Oh and Marie lied in her testimony. So there is that.
      
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      November 17, 2019 6:08pm
- John Warren
  
  Go watch Jim Jordan’s systematic dismemberment of William Taylor, then come back here and talk to me.
  
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  November 17, 2019 10:07am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    You mean talking over somebody and then telling him what he said?
    
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    November 17, 2019 12:13pm
- Billy Collins
  
  Oh look at that, Marie lied in her testimony about the Obama administration and Burisma/Hunter Biden.
  
  Will she be investigated and charged? Probably not. And that is all you really need to know about why Trump’s people seem so unique in being investigated. They just let others slide, but not Trump’s people.
  
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  November 17, 2019 5:59pm
slightlyrighty

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/117439116/outgoing-green-mp-gareth-hughes-says-the-government-has-not-been-transformational

So that leaves James Shaw and a bunch of women…..
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November 17, 2019 8:27am
- sooty
  
  NZs youngest polly is retiring!
  What trough is he going to turn up in!
  I did not see when, though?
  
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  November 17, 2019 9:13am
- dubya
  
  The article says his wife has just spent a year ‘world schooling’ their children around the globe! Now maybe they went by sailboat… but I’m guessing she and the kids have thoroughly enjoyed being Koru Elite Partners thanks to her husband’s twice weekly flights.
  
  One rule for us, and all that.
  
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  November 17, 2019 9:17am
  - Liberty
    
    “One rule for us, and all that.”
    
    All Greens are equal
    But some Greens are more equal than others
    
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    November 17, 2019 9:51am
  - John Warren
    
    Yes, carbon footprint and all that.
    
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    November 17, 2019 10:07am
- Aunty
  
  James Shaw’s harem. Not a very pleasant thought is it?
  
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  November 17, 2019 9:22am
  - sooty
    
    Are you sure?
    He could be the slave!
    
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    November 17, 2019 11:22am
    - Justitia
      
      Eunuch?
      
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      November 17, 2019 4:52pm
- RightFirstTime
  
  No. That just leaves a bunch of women….
  
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  November 17, 2019 12:13pm
Rodney Randall

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jtU5nMbEsQ4
Try the cold Chai!!!!
What’s in the cold Chai????

https://tenor.com/search/liberal-tears-gifs
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November 17, 2019 8:28am
dcrane

The Douma chemical attack was staged, and the Americans pressured the OPCW to provide a misleading report.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/11/opcw-whistleblowers-management-manipulated-reports-douma-chemical-weapon-attack-was-staged.html#more

That attack never made any sense from the beginning, Assad allegedly dropping the bombs right when he had the advantage. I assume this new revelation will receive almost no msm coverage, compared to the breathless media treatment of the initial claims.
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November 17, 2019 8:33am
Thought Criminal

https://thefederalist.com/2019/11/13/how-a-russians-grocery-store-trip-in-1989-exposed-the-lie-of-socialism/

The day Yeltsin saw the truth. Decades later leftist are still feeding the socialist lie so they can rule over us.
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November 17, 2019 8:34am
- stephieboy
  
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  Thought Criminal, as your alias suggests you’re paranoid!
  
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  November 17, 2019 9:00am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    What is your evidence that Thought Criminal is paranoid, stephieboy?
    
    He’s just published a link to an article and expressed a political opinion shared by many people throughout the world.
    
    This looks to be another of your nasty smears about the mental state of posters on Kiwiblog for no reason whatsoever.
    
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    November 17, 2019 10:03am
    - John Warren
      
      Maggie, don’t get riled by the nasty little creep. Everybody here knows Stephie is a narcissistic pudding puller who gets a sexual thrill from a large number of downticks.
      
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      November 17, 2019 10:12am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I’m not riled..
        
        I’m just fascinated by the Moderators’ reasoning …as offered yesterday…
        
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/11/general_debate_13_november_2019.html/comment-page-1#comment-2592581
        
        Because Stephieboy attracts some abuse from certain posters, he seems to be granted a free pass to abuse, smear and defame other posters on KB.
        
        [Mod – stephieboy is now treading on very thin ice after a link he posted earlier today was deleted before being published. I won’t even try to describe it, except to say it was gratuitous and highly offensive]
        
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        November 17, 2019 10:50am
      - SGA
        
        Just to put in a plug for the Mods, who have a thankless task that they do voluntarily (as far as I am aware).
        It is going to be hard work for the Mods to have specific rules of engagement for each pairwise combination of people on Kiwiblog. If you want the blog freed of abuse, smear and sexual innuendo ( e.g., “a narcissistic pudding puller who gets a sexual thrill from a large number of downticks”), then it will easier for them to have it as a cross-board regulation.
        
        [Mod: 100% voluntary, and yes you’re correct re mod policy]
        
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        November 17, 2019 11:28am
      - stephieboy
        
        MW, abuse?
        
        Because abuse is used as a subsitute for rational ,and reasoned argument!
        
        Or more simply lost the plot!
        
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        November 17, 2019 12:27pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @SGA
        
        Look at timelines..
        
        The blog was a civilized read this morning until stephieboy came and shat upon it…
        just like the ducks on my driveway each morning…
        Do I leave the shit there to dry off… or do I hose the driveway down and keep a clean frontage?
        
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        November 17, 2019 12:41pm
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Or more simply lost the plot!
        
        That’s rich coming from you stephie. You lose the plot more often than pretty much any commenter on here.
        
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        November 17, 2019 2:56pm
      - SGA
        
        @Maggy
        Well… it’s not your frontage.
        
        We’ve both seen plenty of sexual innuendo and abuse directed towards other posters or public figures over the years here. That’s Kiwiblog.
        Speaking for myself, I think some of stephieboy’s comments are puerile, but I think a lot of the comments about him (or something he has posted) over the years are just as puerile as well.
        
        If you want a “cleaner, greener” Kiwiblog in general – fine. It wouldn’t affect me because, for the most part, I think I avoid that style of exchange. But it’s unreasonable to expect the Mods to actively protect specific people from KB’s more ugly side.
        
        [Mod – you’d probably think differently if you saw the link from stephieboy that I deleted earlier this afternoon. It was gratuitous, and highly offensive, especially when directed at a female commenter. He is lucky not to have received his seventh strike and a three-month ban on the spot.]
        
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        November 17, 2019 3:24pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @SGA
        
        I appreciate your comments,
        
        But yesterday the moderator stated that because stephieboy receives nasty abuse on this blog, he gets some consideration.
        
        But I don’t appreciate being the punching bag of anyone’s abuse…and that’s what I’ve been on this blog for a number of years.
        
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        November 17, 2019 3:34pm
      - SGA
        
        @Mod
        Then ban him for three months 🙂
        
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        November 17, 2019 3:39pm
      - Michael
        
        John
        That is no excuse for allowing him to target Maggie here on KB.
        It has gone beyond fun and frivolity.
        
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        November 17, 2019 3:45pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Michael
        
        It went beyond fun and frivolity a few years back.
        I have taken action to protect my business interests.
        
        I also take action every time now there is the slightest hint that it’s my fault I get stalked/hassled/smeared/abused on this blog.
        
        I came onto this blog in good faith and got slam-punched, slam-dunked and fucked over long before anyone thought to raise an objection.
        
        It would be good to bring it to a close.
        
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        November 17, 2019 4:48pm
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    So if I used “jacinda adored” would I be paranoid.
    Alias is the modern way of stating facts you don’t want to put your name to or afraid to.
    It is a well thought out alias.
    In this day and age, thought criminal is a true and sad reflection where social media is pushing people.
    Maybe stephieboy could drop the alias if “they” wrote factual facts. I do believe there are plural Stephie persons, I maybe wrong but the writing style does seem to transform dramatically and grammatically.
    Will the host of stephieboys ever be revealed?
    Thought Criminal is a well thought out alias, much smarter than Stephiboy.
    
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    November 17, 2019 10:07am
    - Michael
      
      Greg
      all from the same IP address?
      
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      November 17, 2019 3:42pm
- Jules99
  
  Which is why Kim Jong-un was invited on a tour around the shops in Singapore before meeting with Trump – to show what the West can do for his country.
  
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  November 17, 2019 11:12am
Nukuleka

It’s interesting to note just how out of touch DPF and a large number of KBloggers are with National MPs on the euthanasia debate. Only 31% of National MPs supported Seymour’s bill in contrast to 79% of the Coalition MPs, including 100% of the Greens and 100% of NZ First.

I applaud the 69% of National MPs who voted against it.
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November 17, 2019 8:38am
- dubya
  
  There’s a referendum on it in less than a year, so I guess we’ll see who’s out of touch then.
  
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  November 17, 2019 9:28am
- Tony Stuart
  
  The Greens were always going to vote as a bloc; they have a policy on euthanasia. And NZF’s en masse support is proof that NZF MP’s can’t be trusted to have their own consciences, surrendering to Peters’ conscience, such as it is.
  
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  November 17, 2019 9:42am
  - SGA
    
    That’s a little harsh on NZF in this instance, Tony. As a party they have leaned towards such issues being decided by referenda, that’s what they asked for, and that’s what they got.
    
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    November 17, 2019 12:19pm
- srylands
  
  But 100 percent of National MPs voted for the Zero Carbon Bill. ?
  
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  November 17, 2019 9:50am
  - Happychappy
    
    Because they had made headway and it end Peter’s got his vindictive way after telling the Farmers that he was going to look after them. And as much as the ones Grizzling about Simon Bridges selling them out he has done what’s best for NZ at this present time. If it wasn’t for some other and others that wanted to keep National honest so voted Winston we wouldn’t be in this mess right now.
    The same crowd want to sell out to David Seymour and Act now with the same spite but when the Coalition gets re-elected they will come back and blame National again for their stupidity.
    
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    November 17, 2019 1:22pm
  - greybeard
    
    And if 100% National MPs had voted against the bill it would still have passed.
    Their ‘for’ vote was a subtle message to the electorate.
    
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    November 17, 2019 6:56pm
Lee C

Meanwhile in Porkbarreland OW!TeaRower
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/in-depth/403335/nz-first-linked-forestry-company-pushed-for-govt-funds?fbclid=IwAR1X4VR-3e39NpCNrvxRJfRxp51McYnY3JlxTWtHngpHgIQd-aEUoWfX5hc
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November 17, 2019 8:45am
- JibberJabber
  
  Every time you mispronounce Aotearoa , a taniwha cries and adds a stack of 20s to its next grievance.
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/11/mispronouncing-te-reo-like-physical-blow-to-m-ori-language-teacher.html
  
  But fair is fair, when the media, teachers and even politicians give a fuck about pronouncing English correctly, I`ll give a fuck about other languages.
  
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  November 17, 2019 10:57am
  - curry4me
    
    My thoughts exactly.
    
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    November 17, 2019 2:27pm
Happychappy

If you listen and take any notice of what Gareth Hughes has to say on his last Term in Parliament it sounds like that not all is rosy about the Green Party and their first term in Goverment.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/117439116/outgoing-green-mp-gareth-hughes-says-the-government-has-not-been-transformational
I have never thought Hughes was a worthy Green MP but you have to give him a A for deciding the didn’t need the tit of the gravy chain of Parliament without being elected to suck on anymore.
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November 17, 2019 8:49am
- John Warren
  
  Yes, I’ll concede on that point.
  
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  November 17, 2019 10:13am
- Ruahine
  
  He has been booted out. He is a male with children. Even worse he likely identifies as a white male. Shaw however….
  
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  November 17, 2019 10:47am
- Paulus
  
  He has a good pension – however he was never elected.
  
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  November 17, 2019 11:15am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    He will have a reasonable superannuation, but it’s a far cry from the days of the gold-plated MP superannuation plan that MP’s of a previous era received.
    
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    November 17, 2019 2:57pm
    - sooty
      
      At 38 yrs old, what ever else he earns in money in the bank after his pension!
      Who else can not work at 38yrs old!
      It is hard to get up before the kids and go to work and get home after the kids from scholl.
      But ain’t you talking about 99% of working men and a lot of woman too!
      
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      November 17, 2019 8:52pm
mikenmildagain

Big celebrations today! Not only is it International Students’ Day, but it is also World Prematurity Day. So, if you are a student giving birth prematurely today, well, it’s all about you.
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November 17, 2019 8:53am
- sooty
  
  Allow me to be the first downticker.
  
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  November 17, 2019 9:15am
- MCos
  
  On of my granddaughters was born a month premature. My son in law had to rush my daughter to Auckland Hospital early in the morning.
  Just after she arrived there was blood everywhere & we very nearly lost both of them. Doctors and nurses rushed around and saved the day.
  People grizzle and grump about our hospital system. That wasn’t our experience that day when the chips were down.
  
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  November 17, 2019 9:48am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Mine too but not through a premature baby.
    
    Secure that ladder is all I will say.
    
    Look at what our health system does provide rather than grizzling about what it doesn’t
    
    Sent from my tablet from a hospital bed after receiving bilateral knee replacements last week
    
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    November 17, 2019 10:50am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I was wondering how your op. went.
      
      Hope you are up and about soon.
      
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      November 17, 2019 12:47pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      All the best for your recovery PG 😀
      
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      November 17, 2019 2:59pm
    - david
      
      Good onya Paulus, stick with the exercises. You should find that having a bilateral TKR, you will walk again without a limp as you don’t have a good one and a bad one so no favouritism. Had mine 15 years ago. One lasted 13 years, the other is going strong still.
      It does tend to put a bit of strain on the hips after walking for years rolling like a drunken sailor then suddenly walking straight but with luck you will have gained a few mm in height which is never a bad thing.
      
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      November 17, 2019 4:52pm
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Thank you guys, home tomorrow thanks to the expert team in the theatre and aftercare.
      
      Stretching exercises amongst others and probably no kneeling for a month or two!
      
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      November 17, 2019 7:23pm
  - Paulus
    
    Both our children were prems many years ago – grown up to be very worthy citizens with their own families.
    Not sure Pre eclampsia, as it is sometimes called, isn’t generational as a grandchild was also prem to a daughter.
    
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    November 17, 2019 11:18am
  - Michael
    
    Glad they made it MCos
    
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    November 17, 2019 3:40pm
Fletch

Jim Jordan gets in the best burn on Schiff during the hearing (video) ….

Schiff: “I have indulged you with extra time, but my indulgence is wearing out. There is a question here, right?”

Jordan: “Our indulgence wore out with you a long time ago, Mr. Chairman. I can tell you that”

https://twitter.com/ForAmerica/status/1195433378914410502/video/1

And he totally smacks down Yavonovitch –

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Lde8Epd7yk
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November 17, 2019 8:53am
- stephieboy
  
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  Fletch, this tells us how it really is,
  
  “Fox Business Host Calls Trump a “Big Dumb Baby” for Attack on Yovanovitch”
  
  Many expressed outrage when President Donald Trump took to Twitter to attack former U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, Marie Yovanovitch, while she testified in the impeachment investigation. And it wasn’t just his opponents. Even traditional allies said the president had gone too far. “Should the president be tweeting at her mid-hearing? No,” Fox Business Network host Lisa Kennedy said. “It makes him look like a big dumb baby…”
  
  https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/11/lisa-kennedy-trump-big-dumb-baby-yovanovitch-attack.html
  
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  November 17, 2019 9:21am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The 1st is about free speech. Trump has the right, the same as anyone else. The fact that he does it by Twitter is irrelevant
    
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    November 17, 2019 9:48am
    - stephieboy
      
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      The issue is not about free speech but whether Trump can bad mouth those in the US diplomatic corp to partisan politcal advantage in the midst of giving evidence
      
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      November 17, 2019 9:56am
      - Michael
        
        He can sack any of them and based on the hearings right now, he should.
        
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        November 17, 2019 3:38pm
      - SGA
        
        No one has questioned the POTUS’s power or right to do that, Michael.
        
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        November 17, 2019 4:31pm
    - SGA
      
      The 1st is about free speech. Trump has the right, the same as anyone else.
      
      So what? It’s more that it is just a bizarre thing to have done. It would, I suspect, be a safe bet that a lot of Republican members of Congress and Senate put their heads in their hands and gone “oh my god, whatever next”.
      
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      November 17, 2019 10:52am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Whether it is bizarre or not is irrelevant – he has the right
        
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        November 17, 2019 2:22pm
      - SGA
        
        Whether it is bizarre or not is irrelevant
        
        Inhibit your reflexive “protect Trump” response for a second and think about that for a second. This is the POTUS you are talking about.
        
        To repeat what I said earlier – It would, I suspect, be a safe bet that a lot of Republican members of Congress and Senate put their heads in their hands and gone “oh my god, whatever next”.
        
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        November 17, 2019 3:28pm
  - atomic drop
    
    Slate is a Progressive propaganda rag full of flappy wristed skinny-fat Nu Males ( just like you stephieNoSpecifiedGender ) and 20 something yo white female Journalism School grads who count on their upper crust parents paying off their student loans and subsidising their studio apartment and “journalist” salaries.
    
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    November 17, 2019 9:54am
    - stephieboy
      
      Whatever!
      
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      November 17, 2019 12:28pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        ‘Whatever’.
        Stiffy’s new retort when he loses yet another argument.
        
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        November 17, 2019 12:46pm
    - IC5000
      
      Maybe Atomic Drop should use a VPN when posting on Stormfront forums to avoid being doxxed.
      
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      November 17, 2019 1:47pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Jordan hold his own very well
  
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  November 17, 2019 9:49am
- Justitia
  
  Jim Jordan is brilliant. Love it.
  
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  November 17, 2019 11:39am
Wired-one

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/117470398/labour-party-charge-1500a-head-to-schmooze-jacinda-ardern-over-lunch

The hypocrisy of the left…
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November 17, 2019 9:00am
- sooty
  
  It will be interesting to know how many turn up!
  
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  November 17, 2019 9:17am
- Paulus
  
  I wonder how many will have tickets paid by the Taxpayers.
  And whether freebies will be given to fill the affair if not all tickets are sold
  
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  November 17, 2019 11:20am
- Michael
  
  Do beneficiaries have that amount of Dosh.?
  I can’t think of anyone else who might go.
  Unless it’s a Quid Pro Quo 🙂
  
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  November 17, 2019 3:37pm
curry4me

Tommy Robinson endorses Boris Johnson.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjZav0JS7fg
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November 17, 2019 9:05am
Maggy Wassilieff

Green MP retiring at 38!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/117439116/outgoing-green-mp-gareth-hughes-says-the-government-has-not-been-transformational
Good one, Gareth….
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November 17, 2019 9:07am
- sooty
  
  I believe he’s been there long enough for his retirment package to kick in. 3 terms, I think. Might be wrong. Will he turn up in a trough?
  
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  November 17, 2019 9:23am
  - srylands
    
    No you are correct. He probably realised he was never going to get a Ministerial role. I was never impressed with him. I listened to a radio debate with him and David Seymour on Ihumātao and property rights. It was like watching someone take a pocket knife to a gun fight.
    
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    November 17, 2019 9:55am
    - sooty
      
      Did the women tell him to pack his bags?
      
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      November 17, 2019 11:29am
  - alwyn
    
    There is absolutely nothing special about having done 3 terms. The fabled MP super scheme was scrapped, for new entrants, nearly 30 years ago. There is only one MP left who will get it when he retires. That is Nick Smith, who was elected in 1990 and has been there ever since.
    Hughes will get whatever he has put into his private super scheme plus any taxpayer paid subsidy amount he is entitled to. He will get nothing else.
    
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    November 17, 2019 2:16pm
    - sooty
      
      What about travel perks and the rest?
      
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      November 17, 2019 8:55pm
    - GJM
      
      Taxpayer subsidy? Sounds better than us Proles can get, even if not as corrupt as it was.
      
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      November 18, 2019 5:19am
- chaos
  
  This speaks volumes
  
  * Hughes told Stuff, adding that he’s been frustrated with the Government’s lack of progress on key issues.
  
  “I don’t think the Government has been transformational. There’s been pockets of transformation, but you know, I don’t think historians are gonna look back at it and say, ‘This was a turning point on the scale of the 1930s or 1980s’. And I think that’s desperately needed.”*
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/11/green-mp-gareth-hughes-announces-retirement.html
  
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  November 17, 2019 9:53am
  - rouppe
    
    Was that code for “not left wing enough”?
    
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    November 17, 2019 11:22am
  - Michael
    
    The problem who replaces him, are they worse for NZ.
    
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    November 17, 2019 3:35pm
Maggy Wassilieff

10 Year Anniversary of Climategate

A Good read for those who know the story

https://judithcurry.com/2019/11/12/legacy-of-climategate-10-years-later/
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November 17, 2019 9:10am
- stephieboy
  
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  MW, fast forward backwards 10 years ago,
  
  Debunking Misinformation About Stolen Climate Emails in the “Climategate” Manufactured Controversy
  
  The manufactured controversy over emails stolen from the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit has generated a lot more heat than light. The email content being quoted does not indicate that climate data and research have been compromised. Most importantly, nothing in the content of these stolen emails has any impact on our overall understanding that human activities are driving dangerous levels of global warming. Media reports and contrarian claims that they do are inaccurate.
  Investigations Clear Scientists of Wrongdoing
  Six official investigations have cleared scientists of accusations of wrongdoing…”
  
  https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/debunking-misinformation-about-stolen-climate-emails
  
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  November 17, 2019 9:26am
  - srylands
    
    Can you do anything besides Google and paste random shit? I bet you have not read what you post. You might get some respect if you read these reports, analysed them, and present a cogent argument of why “climate gate” was a beat up.
    
    Otherwise you come across as a bit dumb.
    
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    November 17, 2019 9:58am
    - Swifty
      
      ‘ You might get some respect if you read these reports, analysed them, and present a cogent argument……..’
      
      Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!
      
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      November 17, 2019 10:46am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2019/11/16/delingpole-climategate-ten-years-on-move-along-nothing-to-see-here-says-bbc-and-msm/
    
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    November 17, 2019 10:08am
    - Michael
      
      Liars ALL.
      
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      November 17, 2019 3:34pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘Union of Concerned Scientists’
    Gee, when you say it with a serious voice they almost sound legit!
    That would be Professors Mouse and Aardvark right?
    Tell us though.
    What do they say about your obvious problem with women?
    
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    November 17, 2019 10:38am
  - mandk
    
    Apologies everyone. I gave Stephieboy an uptick by mistake.
    
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    November 17, 2019 12:53pm
    - Michael
      
      All good.
      I have on occasion given him them because I agreed with what he said, in part or whole.
      Mostly not.
      
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      November 17, 2019 3:34pm
- stephieboy
  
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  An update 10 years on,
  
  “Climategate 10 years on: what lessons have we learned?”
  
  “…Subsequent investigations by journalists showed these claims were unsupportable, however. Guardian writer Fred Pearce studied the leaked emails and produced a book, The Climate Files, from his research. “Have the Climategate revelations undermined the case that we are experiencing made-made climate change? Absolutely not,” says Pearce. “Nothing uncovered in the emails destroys the argument that humans are warming the planet.”
  
  Pearce was writing for the eco-friendly Guardian, but his views were supported by many others, such as Mike Hanlon, former science editor of the Daily Mail. “Scratch and sniff as we did, there was no smoking gun, no line that would show that there had been a conspiracy to fabricate a great untruth,” he said later. Thus, from the Guardian to the Daily Mail, the notion that Climategate represented “the worst scientific scandal of a generation” – as one UK newspaper had claimed – was found in the end to be unsupportable.
  
  This point is emphasised by Fiona Fox, head of the UK’s Science Media Centre. “British climate science was subjected to huge scrutiny by the world’s best journalists and it stood up to the test. If you look at where we are now in terms of public trust in climate science, it’s hard to sustain the argument that Climategate was fatally damaging to the field.
  Advertisement
  
  “Climategate also tells us that front page rows about science are an opportunity as well as a threat and the scientists who stood up in that febrile environment and soundly defended science also did a great job. We need to remember that….”
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/theobserver/2019/nov/09/climategate-10-years-on-what-lessons-have-we-learned
  
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  November 17, 2019 9:58am
  - Blackbob
    
    The Guardian, the bastion of free thought and serious investigative inquiry…mwaahahaha!
    Definitely “team crisis” and proud propagandists they are.
    
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    November 17, 2019 10:51am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Perhaps you need to read a bit more widely about how Science is (and should be) conducted.
    In needing to treat Planet Earth like a textbook exercise, the climate scientists were forced to break the rules of scientific etiquette and ethics, and to play scientific power-politics in a way that inevitably became corrupt. The combination of non-critical ‘normal science’ with anti-critical ‘evangelical science’ was lethal.
    
    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/11/16/climategate-and-post-normal-science/
    
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    November 17, 2019 10:54am
    - stephieboy
      
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      MW, that was not the case ,
      
      Climategate 10 years on: what lessons have we learned?
      
      https://www.theguardian.com/theobserver/2019/nov/09/climategate-10-years-on-what-lessons-have-we-learned
      
      “…Subsequent investigations by journalists showed these claims were unsupportable, however. Guardian writer Fred Pearce studied the leaked emails and produced a book, The Climate Files, from his research. “Have the Climategate revelations undermined the case that we are experiencing made-made climate change? Absolutely not,” says Pearce. “Nothing uncovered in the emails destroys the argument that humans are warming the planet.”
      
      Pearce was writing for the eco-friendly Guardian, but his views were supported by many others, such as Mike Hanlon, former science editor of the Daily Mail. “Scratch and sniff as we did, there was no smoking gun, no line that would show that there had been a conspiracy to fabricate a great untruth,” he said later. Thus, from the Guardian to the Daily Mail, the notion that Climategate represented “the worst scientific scandal of a generation” – as one UK newspaper had claimed – was found in the end to be unsupportable.
      
      This point is emphasised by Fiona Fox, head of the UK’s Science Media Centre. “British climate science was subjected to huge scrutiny by the world’s best journalists and it stood up to the test. If you look at where we are now in terms of public trust in climate science, it’s hard to sustain the argument that Climategate was fatally damaging to the field.
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      “Climategate also tells us that front page rows about science are an opportunity as well as a threat and the scientists who stood up in that febrile environment and soundly defended science also did a great job. We need to remember that….”
      
      https://www.theguardian.com/theobserver/2019/nov/09/climategate-10-years-on-what-lessons-have-we-learned
      
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      November 17, 2019 11:30am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    hey pervert, go away. we are not impressed with your ability to google alarmist sites when you, unlike Maggie and my self have degrees in Science and know something about what we post.
    
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    November 17, 2019 11:09am
    - stephieboy
      
      You a degree in science?
      
      Fallacious appeal to authority,
      
      https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority
      
      A degree in science does not make you an authority on climate change!
      
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      November 17, 2019 12:08pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        So that leaves you way out in the wilderness on climate change
        
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        November 17, 2019 2:26pm
      - Komata
        
        SB@1208
        
        And your TERTIARY QUALIFICATIONS would be?
        
        (Serious question BTW so please answer it appropriately).
        
        Thank you.
        
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        November 17, 2019 2:56pm
      - rightoverlabour
        
        Actually an MSc in Palaeoclimatology. Your move.
        
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        November 17, 2019 4:51pm
      - Swifty
        
        Don’t expect a response ROL.
        
        This is the point he runs away and hides, only to come back tomorrow all chirpy like nothing ever happened.
        
        He is a vacuous fraud – with nothing better to do in his life than troll KB.
        
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        November 17, 2019 5:42pm
      - rightoverlabour
        
        Sorry Swifty, I reported rather than reply. The vacuous pervert made some snide comment below. I am not going to bother engaging further with the snotty twat. Other than to downtick and hopefully goad into making a strikable response.
        
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        November 17, 2019 8:12pm
      - Swifty
        
        ROL – a good plan.
        
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        November 17, 2019 10:07pm
- Justitia
  
  Thanks Maggy, I follow Judith Curry closely. A voice for sanity.
  
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  November 17, 2019 11:43am
  - Michael
    
    me too.
    She explains complex things really well and she has the chops as well.
    
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    November 17, 2019 3:32pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Add Tony Heller to that list.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/user/TonyHeller1/featured
    
    He posts a video virtually everyday.
    
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    November 17, 2019 5:16pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      Tony does great work. He always uses published data to show up the lies of supposedly reputable entities that promote the scam
      
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      November 17, 2019 7:19pm
fightingtemeraire

Wonder which “Bloke” will replace Gareth Thomas Llewellyn Hughes???
Who will employ him on 160K pa??? Is Russell Norman leaving Greenpeace and little Gareth sees an opening???
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November 17, 2019 9:26am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Woke bloke?
  
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  November 17, 2019 12:36pm
- Paulus
  
  Is a cross dresser a bloke ?
  
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  November 17, 2019 1:32pm
atomic drop

Well well well, the yoof brawl that broke out in Mission Bay So White that had the No Specific Gender In Blue resources from all over Auckland rushing to stomp it out, involves exactly the demographic group I knew it would.

Of course the NZ Herald ( a den of Globalist Diversity hacks ) has expunged all race references, but they are still there encoded in “students from South and West Auckland”.

So the Diversity yoofs via Instagram spilled out of their favelas to the South and West, to invade and occupy an Off World of white rich Nat voting Boomers.

Benny Hill-esque slap stick hilarity ensued as you can imagine!
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November 17, 2019 9:40am
- stephieboy
  
  atomic drop , let the blah, blah continue!
  
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  November 17, 2019 11:31am
- IC5000
  
  > Benny Hill-esque slap stick hilarity ensued as you can imagine!
  
  You need to come up with some new material that doesn’t reference shit from 40 years ago.
  
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  November 17, 2019 1:50pm
hookerphil

I have made a bet for $20 about 6 months ago that I do not want to win – the COL will win the next election.
This is based on the fact that the “right” have to get 50.1% and frankly I felt that no friends National will not make it – I see no great shift in the polls for ACT or New Conservatives.
However my real concern is that too many out there have a holistic view of Ardern and Labour.
This has appeared on my facebook by a 30 y.o. female relation, I hasten to add on my wives side.
“I’m sick of no one ever being stoked with whoever we have as our prime minister. I’m stoked to have this lady blazing trails for us! No prime minister is ever going to please everyone… you’re never going to agree with EVERY thing they do or EVERY thing they are ‘for’…. But she’s doing a bloody good job. She’s outstanding. Thank you J.A!
? ?? ? ?
No one appreciated Obama enough until that bizarre orange specimen became president, … let’s appreciate Ardern while we have her ?? ?”
It gets worse, from her 65 y.o. father
” Totally agree, the most believable genuine politician in a very long time with character, charisma but mostly strength”
They are both teachers but with a very rural southern background.
At this stage I still feel I will win the bet – that I don’t want to.
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November 17, 2019 9:53am
- Swifty
  
  ‘This is based on the fact that the “right” have to get 50.1% ….’
  
  Not true if either NZ First or the Greens or both don’t make it back. In those cases with the wasted vote National could win with 45-48% from memory.
  
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  November 17, 2019 10:50am
  - sooty
    
    Man, are they going to be screaming snowflakes if she misses or bolts!
    
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    November 17, 2019 11:33am
    - Swifty
      
      The whole rotten structure will crash in on itself when that happens sooty.
      
      It’ll be a rerun of the headless-chookery we saw from them 2008-17.
      
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      November 17, 2019 12:45pm
Maggie Pie

Just home from Mass.
Bed unmade, dishes in sink, and partner laying on couch watching Sky movies.
Honestly, only a woman who’s delivered a baby without epidural can understand what a man goes through when he’s suffering from a head-cold 🙁
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November 17, 2019 10:15am
- stigie
  
  Get your partner to give you a decent massage Maggie and things will work out..?
  
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  November 17, 2019 10:59am
  - Swifty
    
    She must turn on the tranny first though…..
    
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    November 17, 2019 12:18pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    More for him by my reckoning lol.
    
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    November 17, 2019 2:28pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  A head-cold????
  
  How can you be sure???.. it could be the beginning of a deadly disease
  https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9950389/disease-outbreak-killer-virus-world-risk-millions-dead/
  
  Get your man to ED pronto and demand an MRI, blood analyses and spinal fluid tap immediately.
  Some of you nurses are so casual.
  
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  November 17, 2019 11:00am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I did try to warn him about messing about with those bloody Fruit Bats –
    but would he listen?
    
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    November 17, 2019 11:29am
  - stephieboy
    
    [Mod – deleted. Lay off the harassment or I will ask DPF to give you another strike, and you know what that means. Please take this warning seriously]
    
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    November 17, 2019 11:37am
    - chaos
      
      Nice comment mod, but alas that conversation with DPF should of happened a long time ago
      
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      November 17, 2019 2:10pm
      - Michael
        
        Long time
        
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        November 17, 2019 3:30pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Stupidboy. All those upticks are for the Mod, not you. Don’t get a head swell over it
      
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      November 17, 2019 3:50pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    For those wondering if stephie is a bit hard done by, a lot of he/she/its grief started with posts like this:
    
    Jack 5, recently i was at St Luke’s shopping mall and I saw a Muslim lady dressed in traditional apparel accompanied by her two beautiful young daughters dressed in modern western tight jeans and blouses , revealing lovely supple body proportions , including small but ample breasts
    
    Emphasis mine.
    
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    November 17, 2019 1:49pm
    - chaos
      
      add To that the constant attacks, calling people racist, alt right. Stalking woman members here, posting porn links. The list is long and people are feed up
      
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      November 17, 2019 6:14pm
- Happychappy
  
  I got to be a smart arse Maggie but do the priests take turns at listening to your confession as if it is anything like you post on here they should queuing up to take it, your guaranteed to get a laugh or two. I enjoy you Witt.
  
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  November 17, 2019 11:09am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Maggie, you could make the bed and do the dishes and send him to Mass.
  He might even turn into a sky fairy worshipper.
  
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  November 17, 2019 12:03pm
- chaos
  
  Well when he is asleep put little red dots all over his face
  
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  November 17, 2019 12:52pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  SKY Movies? Sure he wasn’t doing “mole” research for you?
  
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  November 17, 2019 4:55pm
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND HOUSING: THE LABOUR – LED GOVERNMENTS POVERTY AND RENTAL EXPANSION PROGRAMME …

Government to ban rental bidding and end no-cause evictions … Henry Cooke … Stuff NZ

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/117443114/government-to-ban-rental-bidding-and-end-nocause-evictions

… concluding …

… There are more than 600,000 rental households in New Zealand, up from 453,000 in 2013 and 388,000 in 2006. The proportion of households that rent has risen from 27 per cent in 1999 to 32 per cent now – and rental households generally have more people in them than owner-occupied housing.
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Home ownership at lowest level in 70 years, economist says Baby Boomers to blame … Susan Edmunds … Stuff NZ

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/117270716/home-ownership-at-lowest-level-in-70-years-economist-says-baby-boomers-to-blame?rm=m

Buyers beware: House price rises tipped to hit 7 per cent in coming year … Rob Stock … Stuff NZ

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/116580960/house-prices-on-the-rise-again-in-auckland?rm=m

… When does the government intend to allow increasingly affordable new housing to be built … by dealing honestly and competently with the real issues of land supply and proper infrastructure debt financing ?
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November 17, 2019 10:19am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Government to ban rental bidding and end no-cause evictions
  Does that mean that if an owner/landlord, no long wants to be a landlord or wishes to cash up THEIR assets on retirement, they are forced to remain a landlord until the tenant wishes to leave?
  
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  November 17, 2019 1:09pm
  - alwyn
    
    Why don’t you read the linked articles?
    The first one includes the following
    “Under the Government’s planned changes landlords will have to provide some reason to end the tenancy – including selling the property,”
    So no, they won’t have to remain a landlord if they want to cash up.
    
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    November 17, 2019 2:22pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      and what makes you think they will take up every recommendation, they don’t have a very good history here.
      
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      November 17, 2019 3:00pm
- Cobolt24
  
  You may be interested in this story: China’s growing real estate bubble | Mises institute
  https://mises.org/wire/chinas-growing-real-estate-bubble
  
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  November 17, 2019 5:38pm
chaos

And we think mallard is bad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qfa9tXRA68c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7jdfrprwKg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGLfwdHkeCY
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November 17, 2019 10:27am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Note:
  The collective noun for kangaroos is a mob, troop, or COURT.
  Oh but this is only an “inquiry”.
  
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  November 17, 2019 1:05pm
stephieboy

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Judith Curry, climate denial misinformer, also dazed and confused ,

“..However, I have to confess that rather than clearing up confusions, walking back demonstrable errors or picking up unfinished topics she merely provided what is in my opinion more of the same factually incorrect and logically flawed arguments, lengthy post after lengthy post.

I had planned (kidding myself that I would have the time) to do some detailed critiques of some of her points, made in various venues. For example in discussing the IPCC’s attribution of late 20th century climate change she has stated multiple times that she believes if we can not confidently attribute early 20th century climate change then we can not confidently attribute late 20th century climate change. I’m sorry to be blunt and with all due respect to her CV, this is grossly illogical and utterly simple to explain. The observations we have over the last decades are hugely better that those we have for pre-1950s, isn’t that obvious? The simple fact is we know more about the climate of the lastest decades than we do about any other past climate. And the idea that if you can’t explain an event you were not around for, you therefore can not explain a similar event you witnessed, is gradeschool reasoning (um, yes, it’s wrong too)…”

https://scienceblogs.com/illconsidered/2010/11/judith-curry-plants-her-flag/

Sigh!
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November 17, 2019 12:05pm
- krazykiwi
  
  She is qualified, practiced, published, decorated, and intelligent. She speaks more truth before drawing a second breath, than you have managed in an entire lifetime.
  
  Judith A. Curry is an American climatologist and former chair of the School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology. Her research interests include hurricanes, remote sensing, atmospheric modeling, polar climates, air-sea interactions, and the use of unmanned aerial vehicles for atmospheric research. She is a member of the National Research Council’s Climate Research Committee. As of 2017, she has retired from academia.
  
  Curry is the co-author of Thermodynamics of Atmospheres and Oceans (1999), and co-editor of Encyclopedia of Atmospheric Sciences (2002), as well as over 140 scientific papers. Among her awards is the Henry G. Houghton Research Award from the American Meteorological Society in 1992.
  
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  November 17, 2019 1:44pm
- Michael
  
  Christ Stephie
  I realise you are wedded to ideology but to have NO common sense, I find very hard to believe.
  
  Judith Curry has more chops in her hand than you will ever have in Climate Change.
  Ever.
  
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  November 17, 2019 3:28pm
  - stephieboy
    
    rightoverlabour, I prefer to defer to organisations like below including the UK Royal Society , American Academy of Sciences for my information on climate change,
    
    https://www.royalsociety.org.nz/major-issues-and-projects/climate-change-and-new-zealand/
    
    Whether you have a master’s degree in whatever . A A pity you have little to show for it going by past posts.
    
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    November 17, 2019 5:42pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      And I defer to great Physicists like Feynmann, Freeman , Lindzen, there are literally thousands that don’t buy the Alarmist Fraud. Unlike Mickey Mouse and Dumbledore that signed the last puff piece… However, fortunately the Grand Solar Minimum is coming along beautifully, and soon Europe,Russia and North America will be begging for global warming. You see fuck head, those countries need someway to keep warm, and the best way to do that is to use fossil fuels…. which you and your band of murderous C$#@s want to do away with. The Greens and idiots like you will soon have blood on your hands.
      
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      November 17, 2019 8:07pm
- cmm
  
  stephieboy, insulting little toerag…
  
  Please show me some “climate science” based policy, anywhere, that actually has a leg to stand on.
  
  All I see is a bunch of hypocrisy:
  * A climate change minister who spends more time in the air than 99% of Kiwis. Will going to another 10 conferences really make any difference for the better?
  * People sawing down forests, then shipping them thousands of km using oil to meet their biofuel quotas.
  * People flattening forests to put up “green” wind farms.
  * A whole lot of methane panic blaming agricultural methane for a huge % of our GHG budget. With correct GHG accounting we’d have some of the lowest in the world.
  
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  November 17, 2019 6:12pm
MrTips

Overheard at the A&P show on Friday
Young Son: “Mum, if you give me $10 for that ride I’ll be good”
Mum: “Why don’t you be like your father and be good for nothing?”
LoL
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November 17, 2019 12:30pm
- barnacle bill
  
  My guess is that Mum is divorced, or about to get divorced from the kids Dad.
  
  Just another happy family.
  
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  November 17, 2019 1:12pm
Swifty

Yawn.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/well-good/inspire-me/117395321/george-fowler-im-a-transgender-man-heres-what-you-need-to-know

How utterly self-absorbed.

How boring.
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November 17, 2019 12:41pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  I read the title of the link and almost fell asleep.
  
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  November 17, 2019 1:01pm
MCos

‘Every time there are celebrities of colour coming into Australia through Quantas it’s some racist drama… Cardi and her team had to check this old white broad last year when she came also… it’s so embarrassing. But as you saw this week… white Australia has a mindset.’
Fallon Gregory

Judith Collins never has a problem
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November 17, 2019 12:59pm
RW Capitalist

Here millennials, something for your edification and perhaps education.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/117392407/damien-grant-quit-whinging-millennials-boomers-built-your-houses-and-endured-actual-nuclear-war
We didn’t light the fire….
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November 17, 2019 1:00pm
Fletch

200 people or more on the waiting list for cochlea implants so they can hear again, while the govt funds sex change operations to the tune of $3 million.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/advocates-say-hearing-impaired-kiwis-languishing-years-cochlear-implant-waiting-list
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November 17, 2019 1:10pm
- krazykiwi
  
  $3m would pay for around 70 cochlea implants ops, or 8-10 sex change operations:
  
  Ministry of Health figures put the average cost of male-to-female surgery at $53,382, with individual surgeries costing between $25,587 at their lowest up to $81,975.
  
  The costs for female-to-male surgery are higher, averaging $218,892, with a range of $45,169 to $525,034.
  
  But these costs also include post-surgery complications. The ministry noted that two of the seven female-to-male surgeries done since 2004 resulted in “significant complications” resulting in bills of over $500,000 each.
  
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  November 17, 2019 1:38pm
- Straight arrow
  
  Perhaps it is the government that needs the implants?
  
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  November 17, 2019 1:44pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Prick up your ears 😛
  
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  November 17, 2019 1:47pm
- Straight arrow
  
  According to Newshub (Oct 2018): “There will now be no cap on the number of surgeries performed, while the previous caps will become a minimum number of surgeries every two years.
  
  “Documents obtained under the Official Information Act show the Associate Health Minister Julie Anne Genter sought advice on increasing the number of surgeries performed under the public health system. The documents advised the minister she could lift the cap to increase access to surgeries. A spokesperson has since confirmed this decision was taken. ”
  
  I do not know of any other type of surgery for non-life-threatening conditions having no cap.
  
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  November 17, 2019 2:40pm
Jack5

For anyone who, like me, missed Stephen Franks’s excellent post last week on the extension of time for the report of the Royal Commission into the Attacks on Christchurch mosques, and the current Arms Legislation Amendment Bill:

http://www.stephenfranks.co.nz/firearms-law-changes-royal-commission-of-inquiry/
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November 17, 2019 1:14pm
curry4me

Impeachment circus failing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB6OoCWc2Hk
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November 17, 2019 1:56pm
- Inandout
  
  curry, that is heart warming news.
  
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  November 17, 2019 2:24pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh Grief..
A week of Charles & Camilla
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/403472/whenuapai-welcome-charles-and-camilla-arrive-for-nz-tour

I can’t imagine their tour will prove much of a distraction/deflection from Prince Andrew’s troubles…
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50446065
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November 17, 2019 2:32pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Or Jacinda’s.
  
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  November 17, 2019 2:53pm
  - sooty
    
    She did not meet and greet either.
    Too busy bathing the baybee.
    Charlie will remember her,
    No visit to the palace for her!
    
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    November 17, 2019 6:32pm
RW Capitalist

Impeachment hearing, summed up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41ENCM70xr0
Thank you REO Speedwagon.
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November 17, 2019 2:58pm
- krazykiwi
  
  That hair. Oh how I remember ….
  
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  November 17, 2019 4:32pm
MCos

https://twitter.com/leahmcelrath/status/1195822049979228160?s=21
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November 17, 2019 3:17pm
jonnycomelately

I notice the beehive bimbo kindly lent her jet to Charlie so him and Camilla could hitch a free ride from Singapore.
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November 17, 2019 3:20pm
- chaos
  
  Ah no, that is how it has always been. The royals fly into nz typically on an airforce
  
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  November 17, 2019 3:51pm
  - sooty
    
    Picked him and his personal shitter from India on Cindys jet!
    
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    November 17, 2019 6:28pm
Maggy Wassilieff

FYI:
The BBC interview of Prince Andrew is up on Youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKQi3wzNFGQ&t=5s
(but spare me the details, please)
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November 17, 2019 3:25pm
- chaos
  
  And to add to that
  
  * The UK’s Prince Andrew has been blasted for participating in an interview about staying with US financier Jeffrey Epstein.
  
  Prince Andrew told the BBC he had “let the side down” by staying with Epstein after his conviction for paying a teenage girl for sex.
  
  In an excerpt from the interview given by Prince Andrew to the BBC’s Newsnight program, the prince was asked about the claim by Virginia Giuffre that she had sex with him in a house in London, to which he said he had “no recollection” of meeting her.
  
  Lawyer Mark Stephens told The Guardian there were “too many loose ends” and labelled the interview, which aired on Friday (local time) a “catastrophic error”.
  
  “If he’d kept his silence he’d have been able to remain outside of the case, as he’s a witness and entitled to diplomatic immunity. He was a private individual and now he’s waived that privacy,” said Stephens, who was the lawyer for James Hewitt, alleged to have had a love affair with Princess Diana.*
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2019/11/prince-andrew-blasted-for-catastrophic-jeffrey-epstein-interview.html
  
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  November 17, 2019 4:05pm
Happychappy

Thousands of West Coasted marched in Greymouth today protesting the policy of the Coalition Government which are hurting the West Coast and their gutless Labour Minister Damien O’conner didn’t have the courtesy to be present.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/117480172/west-coast-tired-of-being-the-countrys-environmental-conscience.
The crowd tells you how upset Coasters are with this Government and their policies and for the Minister not to show won’t go down very well either,this is the foundation of the Labour movement and once was the safest Labour seat I the country.
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November 17, 2019 3:36pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  But Bridges was there. Watch this space.
  
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  November 17, 2019 7:45pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    And I loved the logo on the shirt: “Sage is for stuffing chickens, not the Coast.”
    
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    November 17, 2019 7:47pm
WaveyDavey

Anyone still got rentals?

Time to think long and hard https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/11/government-to-ban-landlords-putting-up-the-rent-every-six-months.html?fbclid=IwAR36hHl351QmP0OYasjkqs73Dn2GCfBLCr0GzfmJ5ydXS-XLQeoj5tJz2EA
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November 17, 2019 4:10pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Even Venezuela has ditched price controls.
  
  Our socialist PM clearly thinks those weak Venezuelan leaders shouldn’t have blinked.
  
  NZ socialism will be much stronger.
  
  Just watch.
  
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  November 17, 2019 4:39pm
  - sooty
    
    Yep, NZ will be the first country to do it right!
    All them others did it wrong!
    
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    November 17, 2019 6:25pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Yup, I reckon a whole bunch of people are going to be sleeping in cars soon… I have a rental but I have lovely, South African tennants that care for the place as if they own it. Of course, Martin Williams will be horrified…
  
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  November 17, 2019 5:34pm
- cmm
  
  Auntie Helen? Hasn’t she got six or so rentals?
  
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  November 17, 2019 6:00pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Multiply that buy a factor of five.
    
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    November 17, 2019 7:49pm
Justitia

This is for Stephieboy in reference to his claim that the Nazis were not socialists because they didn’t nationalize German industry (see above at 12.21pm):
From “The Role of Private Property in the Nazi Economy: the Case of Industry” by C Buchheim and J Scherner, University of Manheim:
” The most clearcut position is the one of
Peter Temin summarizing his opinion in an article about ‘Soviet and Nazi Economic Planning’
as follows: “ The National Socialists were socialists in practice as well as in name.” Of course,
Temin is not blind to the fact that the German state of the period, contrary to the Soviets, had
not nationalized industry. The apparent paradox is solved by him, however, by pointing to
allegedly unequal long-term contracts between the Nazis and industry groups with the
obligation of the latter to deliver their output at fixed prices. If firms refused to comply they
could be nationalized, for the Nazis viewed private property as conditional on its use to further
their goals. This proposition is echoed by other authors who also speak of the threat of
nationalization which private firms were constantly confronted with. The right to control their assets, that very important aspect of private firm ownership, is thus considered as having been
relinquished almost totally. Temin as well as Overy therefore feel entitled to allude to the
Soviet centrally planned economy when describing the economic system of the Third Reich. ” Fixed that for you.
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November 17, 2019 4:28pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And if stephieboy can read German he should study Joseph Goebbel’s popular pamphlet :
  
  “Die verfluchten Hakenkreuzler. Etwas zum Nachdenken ”
  
  But here’s a translation:
  https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/haken32.htm
  
  Because we are socialists we have felt the deepest blessings of the nation, and because we are nationalists we want to promote socialist justice in a new Germany.
  
  A young fatherland will rise when the socialist front is firm.
  
  Socialism will become reality when the Fatherland is free.
  
  Why Are We Socialists?
  
  We are socialists because we see in socialism, that is the union of all citizens, the only chance to maintain our racial inheritance and to regain our political freedom and renew our German state.
  
  Socialism is the doctrine of liberation for the working class. It promotes the rise of the fourth class and its incorporation in the political organism of our Fatherland, and is inextricably bound to breaking the present slavery and regaining German freedom. Socialism, therefore, is not merely a matter of the oppressed class, but a matter for everyone,
  
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  November 17, 2019 5:17pm
  - Justitia
    
    Lovely Maggy, I’m sure Stephie shed a little tear when his heart strings felt the fraternal tug of a fellow socialist’s rhetoric.
    
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    November 17, 2019 5:38pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Is this the same Joseph Goebbels who spoke of Hitler’s rejection of socialism?
    
    “I feel as if someone had knocked me on the head … my heart aches so much. … A horrible night! Surely one of the greatest disappointments of my life.”
    
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    November 17, 2019 5:46pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Adding this from my link,
      
      “…Rather, Hitler viewed socialism as a political organizing mechanism for the German people more broadly: a way of creating a “people’s community” — the volksgemeinschaft — that would bring everyday Germans (and businesspeople) together not based on their class but on their race and ethnicity. Thus, he would use the unifying aspects of “National Socialism” to get everyday Germans on board with the Nazi program while simultaneously negotiating with powerful businesses and the Junkers, industrialists and nobility, who would ultimately help Hitler gain total power over the German state..”.
      
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      November 17, 2019 7:36pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      and yet the economic structures of the 3rd Reich, were more alone the lines of the Soviet Union, than they ever were the western capitalist world.
      Central control of production
      Expansion to survive policy
      Persecution and blame of minorities for failings
      Lack of freedom of action and speech
      Restriction of movement of the population
      ALL common in socialist countries, but very much ABSENT in capitalist countries.
      
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      November 18, 2019 8:38am
- stephieboy
  
  Justitas,
  
  Wrong,
  
  For example the Nazis were originally the German Workers party and they approbated the word “: socialist “ to steal votes from the Communist and other left parties.They call it political expediency.
  
  Hitler strongly believed that Germany could have won World War I if the Socialist Second International had not conspired with the Bolsheviks ( Jews ) In word and deed an ant socialist who first moved swiftly to ban the German Communist and other socialite parties
  
  Revisionist News Corp “ historians “ try to tell us that the WW2 was a war against socialism conveniently omitting the fact the Socialist Soviet Union was a vitally important ally.
  
  In 1934 Hitler turned against the Socialist left faction in his party the SA and had the leadership shot or imprisoned.This was necessary to win favour from German Industry and business for rearmament and ultimately war . Not forgetting banning Trade Unions.
  
  etc, etc , etc .
  
  https://www.vox.com/2019/3/27/18283879/nazism-socialism-hitler-gop-brooks-gohmert
  
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  November 17, 2019 6:11pm
DigNap15

Trumps approval ratings have gone up in the Rasmussen poll in the last few days.
70% of the US public do not trust the dems

Trumps fund raising is going through the roof!
5million in 24 hours.
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November 17, 2019 4:48pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Fake news. Trump’s approval ratings are in the toilet and he has the consistently lowest approval ratings of any president since WWII.
  
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  November 17, 2019 5:31pm
Swifty

UK Labour lie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJercIyYCZA

NZ Labour will follow……
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November 17, 2019 5:28pm
Swifty

If of interest, an excellent print of The Abominable Dr. Phibes, 1971:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QfsQB_He0g

Takes me back to hiding behind the couch in Island Bay with bros and sis, scared witless…..

🙂
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November 17, 2019 5:49pm
Hugh Pavletich

SUPPORT YOUNG ENTREPRENEUR’S MR TWYFORD (and while you are at it … allow builders to build affordable housing too) …

Plea to ministers to get 14-year-old businessman back on his lawnmower … Jo McKenzie – McLean … Stuff NZ
… VIDEO … Young Johnny O’Neill, contractor, explains …

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/117405496/plea-to-ministers-to-get-14yearold-businessman-back-on-his-lawnmower

A battle to help a young entrepreneur banned from driving his ride-on lawnmower to jobs has gone to Parliament.

Waitaki MP Jacqui Dean has offered support to 14-year-old Johnny O’Neill after reading of his plight on Stuff.

Johnny, who started his own garden maintenance business in 2017, was warned by police not to ride his 780cc mower, which travelled about 5kmh, to jobs in Cromwell in Central Otago after a member of the public complained. The ban forced him to hire a driver, in addition to the two staff he already employs to help service his 293 clients. VIEW & READ MORE via hyperlink above …
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November 17, 2019 6:03pm
softail 1450

FFS ,Is TV3 serious with their opening story just now ? they must be getting their stories from the filthy slime Adam Schiff ….
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November 17, 2019 6:05pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Another Auckland e-scooter scooter in critical care
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12285828
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November 17, 2019 6:14pm
- stephieboy
  
  My son uses these e scooters quite often and I shudder. Sooner or later users will need to be regulated eg confined to footpaths or cycleways , compulsory helmets ( the first e scooter user killed landed on his head . A helmet would have most likely saved him)
  
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  November 17, 2019 7:27pm
  - toby1845
    
    Albeit with permanent brain damage……like his father.
    
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    November 18, 2019 8:03am
softail 1450

Next thing it will be a Kiwi soldier fired a shot that ricocheted off a camels head ,passed between Osama Bin ladens ball sack ,traveled 40,000km around our planet and killed an innocent rat in the wreckage that is the shithole of the middle east..
We are truly F—-D in our Country
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