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mikenmildagain

Happy World Kindness Day!
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November 13, 2019 8:00am
- Than
  
  Genuine question – who designates all these [fill-in-the-blank] Days?
  
  Organisations making up days puts me in mind of the snake-oil companies that sell people the right to name an asteroid. The name won’t be recognized or used by anybody except the customer and the company. It certainly won’t be recognized by the International Astronomical Union. But the customer has given the asteroid its real name, honest guv, and people will really celebrate [fill-in-the-blank] Day.
  
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  November 13, 2019 8:50am
  - SGA
    
    I think it is a mixed bag. I just looked up “World Kindness Day” on Wikipedia.
    
    From what I can tell there is nothing stopping any organisation declaring a day as a “World xxx day”-
    “It was introduced in 1998 by the World Kindness Movement, a coalition of nations’ kindness NGOs”
    
    It’s then a matter of individual countries/states choosing to recognise it –
    “It is observed in many countries, including Canada, Japan, Australia, Nigeria and United Arab Emirates. In 2009, Singapore observed the day for the first time. Italy and India also observed the day. In the UK, it is fronted by David Jamilly, who co-founded Kindness Day UK”
    
    and then one can see if the UN will “buy in”.
    “Approaches are being made to the United Nations by the peak global body, the World Kindness Movement, to have World Kindness Day officially recognized and its members unanimously sign a Declaration of Support for World Kindness.”
    
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    November 13, 2019 9:12am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    When I was a boy, the Wellington planetarium raised fund by selling certificates giving ownership of a lunar crater (or a star, I forget the details).
    But World Kindness Day was established by a coalition of countries’ ‘kindness’ NGOs. As such, it lacks the mandate given to specialdays by nations or the UN. So feel free to ignore World Kindness Day if you doubt its standing, but be sure to mark such important occasions as:
    World AIDS Day
    International Day for Biological Diversity
    International Dance Day
    International Day of Disabled Persons
    Earth Day
    International Day for the Elimination of Violence against Women
    World Environment Day
    International Holocaust Remembrance Day
    Human Rights Day
    International Day for the Eradication of Poverty
    International Literacy Day
    International Mother Language Day
    World No Tobacco Day
    International Day of Peace
    World Press Freedom Day
    International Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian People
    International Year to Commemorate the Struggle against Slavery and its Abolition
    World Television Day
    International Day for Tolerance
    World Tourism Day
    World Tuberculosis Day
    United Nations Day
    World Day for Water
    International Women’s Day
    World Book and Copyright Day
    World Food Day
    World Health Day
    World Intellectual Property Day
    World Poetry Day
    World Teachers’ Day
    International Youth Day
    
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    November 13, 2019 9:39am
  - alloytoo
    
    We could just make these up ourselves.
    
    Happy finished Chemo therapy a year ago day?
    
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    November 13, 2019 10:50am
    - SGA
      
      If you are referring to yourself, then best wishes and I hope your recovery continues 🙂
      
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      November 13, 2019 11:37am
- krazykiwi
  
  How can I possibly give you a downtick for that, milky? Have a +1 🙂
  
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  November 13, 2019 9:11am
- Bobba Fret
  
  What’s tomorrow?
  World eat a meat pie day? Or is that offensive to vegans and vegetarians.
  
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  November 13, 2019 10:26am
- Morrissey
  
  https://media1.tenor.com/images/aa5ebe6d2dd3b74882337bb6948693d4/tenor.gif?itemid=5588971
  
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  November 13, 2019 4:45pm
Maggie Pie

When i got home this morning, my partner seemed a tad agitated. He reckons he heard Kate Hawkesby on ZB saying that Chris Hipkins was going to make changes to the Grammar Zone 🙁

Anybody else aware of this?
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November 13, 2019 8:08am
- alex Masterley
  
  Which Grammar zone. We have several.
  The one I am concerned about is the MAGS zone which is pretty big at the moment and may get expanded to take into account the proposed slum on Carrington road.
  
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  November 13, 2019 8:21am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Auckland Grammar Zone.
    Sorry Al, wasn’t aware there were others?
    
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    November 13, 2019 8:35am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Don’t forget the EGGS zone either !
      
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      November 13, 2019 11:01am
    - alex Masterley
      
      Yes five in the central isthmus.
      Messing around with their zones I think would result in push back in electorates that are labor held such as Mt Roskill, dare I say it Mt Albert and bits of Maungakeikei.
      
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      November 13, 2019 1:27pm
  - Paginus
    
    Did you really think you could run from the enrichment forever?
    
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    November 13, 2019 8:38am
- peterwn
  
  At present Auckland Grammar and Epsom Girls Grammar can set their own zones presumable in consultation with adjacent schools and with Ministry approval. There would also be some overlap in zones between various schools. Presumably the two Grammar schools try to keep the zones as stable as possible.
  The proposal would take zoning out of the hands of the local schools and place it effectively under Ministerial control. This could mean there could be major changes to the two Grammar zones and moreover there may be ‘hard’ zoning ie no overlapping zones.
  This has the potential to cause major disruption to property values in the parts of the zones that are under threat, the further away from the school the greater the threat.
  Families in Auckland Grammar zone that can afford to send their boys to Kings would often prefer Grammar over Kings. Hence Kings, St Kents, Dio and St Cuths could well benefit from the changes.
  
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  November 13, 2019 8:51am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    That certainly sounds disturbing peter.
    The very first question we ask people when we meet them is, “Do you live in
    The Zone?”
    
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    November 13, 2019 9:14am
    - peterwn
      
      “The Zone” would be Auckland Grammar. There is also ‘Double Grammar Zone’ which is the area within both Auckland Grammar and Epsom Girls Grammar zones, this area being the most sought after.
      Newmarket and Mt Eden areas would probably be the ones most likely to hold high property values as these would seem the most likely to remain in ‘Double Grammar Zone’.
      
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      November 13, 2019 3:21pm
  - Aunty
    
    That’s a socialist’s wet dream, destroying the property values and property rights of the non Labour voting rich! Chris Hipkins must be literally oozing with anticipation and joy! At the mere stroke of a pen he can flick your street out of the grammar zone, taking 200k in property value with it.
    
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    November 13, 2019 9:46am
    - igm
      
      Hipkins is driven by his unionist mother’s socialist ideology . . . very dangerous for any decent hardworking families who have homes in decent areas.
      Another part of Labour doctrine to load up good schools and housing areas
      
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      November 13, 2019 1:12pm
  - sooty
    
    Or they could bus south auckland in!
    
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    November 13, 2019 9:50am
- Morrissey
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Long overdue.
  
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  November 13, 2019 9:24am
- Fletch
  
  I heard this on ZB also. Apparently the govt wants to control ALL the school zoning, and they had a guy from Auckland Grammar quote who said good luck with that. He said parents plan out where they are going to live to get their kids into schools like Grammar (implying, I guess, that they wouldn’t be too happy with a change).
  
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  Schools will lose the power to set their own zoning schemes under a new system which will replace the 30-year-old self-governing regime.
  
  Education Minister Chris Hipkins has announced that a new “Education Service Agency” will take over school zoning in each region, and will take the lead role in planning new and improved school buildings.
  
  https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/audio/chris-hipkins-government-announces-new-agency-to-take-over-school-zoning/
  
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  November 13, 2019 9:44am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    All children must henceforth go to their Hipkins Appointed School. The NZ Sodim alienist State has decreed it.
    
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    November 13, 2019 11:46am
  - Michael
    
    Good for Chris
    He’s obeying the instructions from the teachers unions.
    first charter schools, then centralisation then control.
    
    Keep going Chris.
    Soiman can say what he’ll change just before the election and garner more votes.
    parents vote Chris…….
    
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    November 13, 2019 5:29pm
- Mobile Michael
  
  Chris Hipkins is doing more for Catholicism than the Pope. Many families will be learning the Hail Mary to get their kids in when they find themselves locked out of everything they would choose.
  
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  November 13, 2019 10:39am
Paginus

A longtime NHL broadcaster is deplatformed for daring to observe that Paper Canadians don’t care about the historical sacrifices of real Canadians.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/sports/i-don-t-regret-a-thing-don-cherry-speaks-out-on-his-firing-and-ron-maclean-1.4680203
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November 13, 2019 8:11am
- Morrissey
  
  ….the historical sacrifices of real Canadians.
  
  ?!??!?!?
  
  Like this Canadian hero, you mean?
  
  https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/wj5ekm/he-was-a-top-officer-in-the-military-and-also-a-serial-killer
  
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  November 13, 2019 9:34am
  - david
    
    Colour me confused.
    Morrissey, would you be kind enough to explain (preferably in words of one syllable) the point you are trying to make with this comment.
    Thank you
    
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    November 13, 2019 12:52pm
    - Morrissey
      
      The point I’m making is that the embarrassingly stupid chickenhawk halfwit Don Cherry, who has long been a national embarrassment and butt of jokes in Canada, is foolish and ignorant when he suggests that Canadian soldiers are heroic. As the example of Russell Williams shows, they’re anything but.
      
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      November 13, 2019 4:43pm
- MCos
  
  What’s a ‘Paper Canadian’?
  
  https://twitter.com/cafinus/status/1193380225968680960?s=21
  
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  November 13, 2019 9:51am
  - david
    
    The relationship between paper Canadians and proper Canadians is similar to the relationship between $17,943.93 and a $18,000.00 being demonstrably different. Yes technically different. One is not the other but it would appear that the author is saying that natural born Canadians are likely to carry a subtly different set of values and appreciation of the history and development of their country of birth than do recently naturalised Canadians.
    
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    November 13, 2019 1:01pm
KevO'Brien

Leaving the left in academia:
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/473247-liberal-nyu-russian-spy-nazi/

Where is this crazy society going? I’ve even got it in my own family!
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November 13, 2019 8:12am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  There’s always been folks who want to control other people’s thinking.
  There’s always been folks who are willing to let others do their thinking for them,
  and sadly, there’s always been a bunch of folks who enjoy being anonymous accusers and abusers.
  
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  November 13, 2019 9:27am
  - sooty
    
    An’it that the truth. You are so right!
    But then we know Ralph!
    
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    November 13, 2019 9:52am
Maggie Pie

When i first saw this vid of the police interview with the Grace Mullane murder suspect….is it just me, or could you be forgiven thinking there had been a roll reversal?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12284658
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November 13, 2019 8:17am
- Jade Warrior
  
  Indeed Maggie. When I saw the same footage on the news last night I wondered for a few seconds if the editors had made a mistake and accidentally blotted out the wrong person.
  
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  November 13, 2019 8:55am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You wouldn’t be an old fart would you, Maggie pie?
  (asked in the most caring manner)
  
  NZ inked: 95 per cent of new cops tattooed, new campaign highlights frontline body art
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12279623
  
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  November 13, 2019 9:30am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Well, forty-eight next birthday Maggs.
    Absolutely loath visible tatts to be honest – especially anyone with a scribbled neck. Trouble written all over them. Always leave them for someone else to attend to.
    
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    November 13, 2019 9:51am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Won’t tell you what I bought for my baby’s 18 year-old birthday, then.
      https://flowertattooideas.com/40-hibiscus-tattoos-shoulder/
      
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      November 13, 2019 12:01pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Even i can appreciate fine-art, Maggs 😀
        
        It’s only when we see this sort of sh*t we get worried….
        
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/williamss.png
        
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        November 13, 2019 12:39pm
  - sooty
    
    Do they gett heir badge number tattooed on their forehead or something!
    
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    November 13, 2019 9:54am
- IC5000
  
  Were you thinking that tatts indicated some kind of criminal intent?
  
  I previously read the guy was easily pulling chicks off tinder in the court reporting so I thought be must be some kind of bad boy chad type but when I actually heard his voice he sounded like a dweeb. Quite surprising although they could have been fat chicks.
  
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  November 13, 2019 9:46am
- cmm
  
  It’s crazy.
  
  Imagine it’s late at night and there are some less savory types hanging around. You call the cops and tat-man turns up.
  
  What are your first thoughts going to be? I’d be worried the gangstas just got their hands on some uniforms – you know – just walked into the Palmy cop shop and helped himself.
  
  Cops really need to be well groomed and look respectable.
  
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  November 13, 2019 10:21am
  - IC5000
    
    > Cops really need to be well groomed and look respectable
    
    I prefer competence but that’s just me. I’ve worked with people who looked he part that but couldn’t perform.
    
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    November 13, 2019 10:32am
    - cmm
      
      Certainly competence is important, but being smartly dressed and presented helps people trust and identify who the good guys are.
      
      Remember that during times of stress (when we’re most likely to deal with cops) it is natural for us to revert to our most primal stereotyping. Someone with tats, piercings and a scruffy appearance looks untrustworthy.
      
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      November 13, 2019 11:22am
      - IC5000
        
        > Certainly competence is important, but being smartly dressed and presented helps people trust and identify who the good guys are.
        
        I think rolling up in a police car or uniform helps identify you’re a police officer.
        
        To be honest if it came down to it I’d trust some big Samoan guy with tatts to be able to handle himself and protect people than other types. I actually wonder if during an investigation police officers actually dress and act in a certain way to bring down peoples guard. If a suspect thinks you’re stupid based on your appearance could they Inadvertently say or act giving out more information than they intended?
        
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        November 13, 2019 11:41am
  - MCos
    
    Air NZ found out that 35% of Kiwis under 30 have tattoos and changed their regulations around hiring staff who have been tattooed.
    
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    November 13, 2019 12:36pm
Simon

Uyghurs, alongside Kazakhs, Kyrgyz, and even some Christians and other religious minorities, are subject to systematic torture, disappearances and executions in the name of communist indoctrination.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/11/08/uyghur-people-gather-to-condemn-chinese-concentration-camps/

Jacinda Ardern finished her whirlwind visit to Beijing with a meeting with President Xi Jinping who spoke about taking an already very good relationship to new heights but also said the two countries had to trust each other.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12217953

Lol. Trust. So much Trust.

Hitler didn’t order or even knew the Jews & others were being exterminated during WW2. That is the stupid claim made by Hitler apologists.

Now Ardern and so many other CCP suck ups have to pretend that Xi doesn’t know what is happening in his own concertation camps.

Yeah NZ can have a FTA etc etc with the CCP because Hitler didn’t know what was happening with the Jews either.
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November 13, 2019 8:17am
- sooty
  
  Well, you don’t achieve much with 24hrs in china. Barely enough time to change the babys naps!
  
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  November 13, 2019 8:34am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Or visit the capital, Tokyo
    
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    November 13, 2019 9:31am
- stephieboy
  
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  Simon , email Simon B about this and he will no doubt have a massive retalitoryv trade war with China on his re-election agenda.
  
  Did he raise those issues on his recent visit?
  
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  November 13, 2019 8:44am
  - Simon
    
    “Did he raise those issues on his recent visit?”
    
    No what he said was that Germany between 1930 and now has shown just so much progress all due to their political system.
    
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    November 13, 2019 9:02am
  - Michael
    
    Good Point Stephie
    
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    November 13, 2019 9:30am
- Stephen Russell
  
  Refusing to trade with countries whose policies we disagree with is usually self defeating, even if it appeases some people’s self-righteousness.
  
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  November 13, 2019 9:03am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    No one is suggesting that we refuse to trade with China. It would be nice, though, to have politicians that are prepared to speak out on issues such as the Uighurs, Tibet, human rights in general, the Hong Kong protests, aggression in the South China Sea, etc.
    
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    November 13, 2019 9:44am
  - yossarian
    
    So true. If we looked at every country with woke indignation, we wouldn’t trade with anyone
    
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    November 13, 2019 10:28am
    - MCos
      
      There is a limit to what is tolerated by some countries.
      Fo example while America has no problem with Saudi Arabia it has all sorts of restrictions on Cuba.
      
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      November 13, 2019 12:54pm
- curry4me
  
  If you are buying Christmas presents, and don’t want to support the CCP; there are alternatives to Alibaba.
  There is Oberlo, dropshippers in Taiwan, and probably South Korea. It just needs a bit of forethought.
  
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  November 13, 2019 9:28am
- Morrissey
  
  ….Hitler didn’t know what was happening with the Jews either.
  
  ??!!?
  
  What a mind-bogglingly stupid post you have just made.
  
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  November 13, 2019 9:37am
- Ed Snack
  
  Hitler probably didn’t know in detail what was being done, but there’s no doubt he knew about it and approved. Because if he hadn’t, the person attempting to do that would have been rapidly eliminated.
  
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  November 13, 2019 11:06am
hullkiwi

Peters’ hypocrisy knows no ends.

The Nrw Zealand First Foundation, a secretive organisation with 2 trustees (Brian Henry & fmr MP Doug Woolerson) collecting money from donors, not declaring who the donors are and making “loans” to the New Zealand First Party.

…and the toxic Winstin Winston Peters has the audacity to accuse National of being corrupt.

Further to the above, is the role of Woolerson who runs a lobbying firm called The Lobbyist, which among other things offers clients introduction services to politicians. Given his business activities and his role in the New Zealand Foundation, could there be conflicts of interest?

Details of the above are available at http://www.rnz.co.nz
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November 13, 2019 8:18am
- peterwn
  
  If Inland Revenue succeeded in busting the trusts these two Christchurch surgeons had (to avoid paying tax at Mike Cullen’s 39% rate), surely the Electoral Commission should bust Winston’s trust.
  The feature these trusts have in common is they lent money interest free and open-ended with no intention of the money being repaid.
  
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  November 13, 2019 8:56am
  - Paulus
    
    Used to be called a Revolving Credit many years ago.
    Take lend money, pay it back in due course, then automatically re take.
    
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    November 13, 2019 1:37pm
- krazykiwi
  
  I’ve been unable to find this ‘foundation’ at the companies office, charities services. Only using iPhone. Will try again later.
  
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  November 13, 2019 11:00am
  - sooty
    
    You didn’t look in Whinestones back pocket, that’s why!
    
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    November 13, 2019 12:08pm
  - peterwn
    
    There is no requirement to register a trust with any agency apart from getting a IRD number and completing an annual IR6 return (as would be usual for a family trust). A charitable trust however has to be registered as a ‘charity’ so donors can reclaim tax rebates. Promotion of politics is not a charitable objective so a political party cannot register as a ‘charity’.
    
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    November 13, 2019 2:54pm
oldgolfer

Just been reading Tim Murphy’s excellent summation over at Newsroom of the Peters case this far.
It looks from this distance as though Mr Peters’ chance of success are slim.
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November 13, 2019 8:21am
- chaos
  
  https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/11/13/908253/peters-case-the-dog-that-didnt-bark
  
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  November 13, 2019 8:33am
- Paulus
  
  But, But, But – do not assume anything in today,s political world.
  No doubt the world will be found guilty !
  
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  November 13, 2019 1:38pm
bouden

This is probably a fuller report https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/audio/chris-hipkins-government-announces-new-agency-to-take-over-school-zoning/
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November 13, 2019 8:23am
oldpark

Question today for anyone who is interested. Did Winston Peters game the system . Better known as Superannuation Payments at age 65.
Whether he did or not for the sake of circa $18,000 over seven years or for $49.44 per week is debatable.
Most people are wondering why he has been so cranky about the allegations.
Some people have been saying , just to reiterate a comment from yesterday. Peters broke the Superannuation Commandment. Not because he did, “it was because he was found out”.
I remember a comment from the Whale Oil blog site at the time of roughly Peters Superannuation application. Winston Peters with a photo to match unemployed Pensioner from St Marys Bay Auckland. Maybe that description about Peters
summed up the situation or even confused it. We will never know or even care.Nuff said.
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November 13, 2019 8:25am
- peterwn
  
  There is no question. The evidence from MSD has clarified the matter in most peoples minds. All his claims that it was a mistake, a form was altered, his partner was with him in the MSD office, etc, etc have been comprehensively trashed.
  He did not need the extra money but it seemed his fingers were itchy.
  And his strange ideas about executive government processes and conventions have also been comprehensively trashed.
  Looks like Brian Henry will be reduced to waffling when he does his closing address.
  
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  November 13, 2019 9:08am
  - alex Masterley
    
    Previous experience with Brian Henry is that he waffles with the best of them!
    Having said that I don’t think Justice Venning will buy any bullshit.
    
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    November 13, 2019 1:33pm
JibberJabber

Thomas Sowell

The problem with trying to equalise is that you can usually only equalise downward. Most activities do not exist for the sake of equality. They exist to serve their own purposes — and those purposes are undermined, sometimes fatally, when equality becomes the goal.
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November 13, 2019 8:27am
- Morrissey
  
  Thomas Sowell?
  
  https://tenor.com/view/willi-herren-shaking-head-no-way-never-nope-gif-15407443
  
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  November 13, 2019 9:44am
Maggie Pie

We watched The Project on TV3 last night.
As my partner said, “Not sure this woman’s doing the Mob any favors”

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJJ0IH0U8AAYVvh?format=jpg&name=900×900
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November 13, 2019 8:31am
- NoCash
  
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  November 13, 2019 8:50am
- JibberJabber
  
  Saw that last night, I was waiting for one of the presenters to ask her what “The Block” meant in Mob parlance?
  
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  November 13, 2019 9:41am
- cut n paster
  
  In a previous life, I worked as night club security and I can assure you that the gang women were vastly more cruel and dishonourable than the men. Luring victim’s outside for a smoke only to bash/stab them. Constantly trying to prove to the guys that they were more badass.
  It is lost on me, that a gang made up of shelias does anything to soften a gangs image.
  
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  November 13, 2019 9:46am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Good god did you? Why?
  
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  November 13, 2019 10:06am
  - cut n paster
    
    Limited employment options due to the Labour government of the time, Rachael. 🙂
    
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    November 13, 2019 11:45am
Tony Stuart

Jacinda Ardern is now refusing to do a monthly interview with Chris Lynch from ZB in Christchurch, “unless there’s another 15 March”…arrogant, and disgusting

https://twitter.com/lynchinnz/status/1194144854814547969
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November 13, 2019 8:31am
- chaos
  
  Are you surprised, every time she opens her mouth she lies.
  
  But to say that it won’t happen unless there is another tragic event shows she is only there to look like she cares. That has to be the most disgusting comment I have ever seen “something like another March 15th”. That is vile and a disgusting attitude for her and her staff. Shows her true motives in these events
  
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  November 13, 2019 8:35am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Shows her contempt for Christchuch despite the city’s support for Labour.
    
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    November 13, 2019 8:53am
    - Jack5
      
      Wouldn’t you rather have politicians working in their offices rather than chat, chat, chat, fucking chatting endlessly with the media?
      
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      November 13, 2019 11:22am
      - chaos
        
        Not really, because a good politician can do both and through chatting with the media they are interacting with the voters and letting them know what is going on. However she is not a good politician
        
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        November 13, 2019 12:19pm
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        November 13, 2019 9:40pm
- waldonz
  
  That tweet needs to get plenty of sunlight.
  
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  November 13, 2019 8:38am
  - DigNap15
    
    I’ve posted it on another blog
    
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    November 13, 2019 9:47am
    - stephieboy
      
      DigNap15, YSB?
      
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      November 13, 2019 11:47am
  - tf78
    
    I sent it to Mike this morning – hope he looked at it.
    
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    November 13, 2019 10:25am
- sooty
  
  Cindy is not getting a good review there is she!
  
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  November 13, 2019 8:39am
- Inandout
  
  TS, next will be Hosking because we know these weekly interviews expose the princess to the inanity of her muddled mind.
  
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  November 13, 2019 8:43am
  - Jade Warrior
    
    Indeed. Ardern’s weekly appointments with Hosking are an embarrassment. When she’s not relying on the verbal crutches (um, er) she’s incapable of giving a straight answer to any question. Her shambling performance on Hosking’s show vividly illustrates how most of the NZ media are little more than cheerleaders who are not doing their job properly.
    
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    November 13, 2019 9:05am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      She’s obviously had some media training in the last six weeks or so, because now she tends to turn the argument back on Hosking, without actually answering the question; classic diversionary tactics as taught by media professionals.
      
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      November 13, 2019 11:14am
      - hullkiwi
        
        They probably all have. Because Mark Mitchell was saying to us (Rodney electorate members) that Stuart Nash has been using the same standard stock phrase in their Wednesday morning chats. Mark was saying it had all the hallmarks of the govt receiving training in how to handle the media. The problem is those being used as a means to avoid answering & interviewers will get frustrated, so the tactic will eventually backfire.
        
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        November 13, 2019 1:36pm
- NoCash
  
  Are you telling me the all concerning and caring look of our be loved PM is only a facade… surely not…
  
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  November 13, 2019 8:52am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    She has to be a pretty ruthless and generally hardened bitch behind closed doors in order to have promoted the alleged sexual assault predator and bully in her office after they had multiple complaints about him.
    
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    November 13, 2019 9:57am
- cut n paster
  
  When you believe your own BS… anything you do is ok.
  https://ibb.co/ph2gnrC
  
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  November 13, 2019 8:54am
- MrTips
  
  Dear Jacinda
  it appears your mask has slipped.
  Run away to Aunty Helen now and cry into your almond soaked dishrag.
  What.A.Bitch.
  
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  November 13, 2019 9:47am
- rangitoto
  
  Well Cindy needs something as her stores of fairy dust have run out.
  
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  November 13, 2019 10:30am
- chaos
  
  Good to see bridges raised this is question, she didn’t look happy and mallard moved it as quick as he could to the next question, now the media have it
  
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  November 13, 2019 2:14pm
Happychappy

Will the Coalition Government take a risk and push for Aucklands Port to be relocated to Northport beginning in December 2020 or has Simon Bridges got it right it is all hot air and the costing need to be confirmed before any thing takes place
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12284548
This is Winston’s baby with infrastructure Minister Shane Jones in charge so interesting times ahead.
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November 13, 2019 8:38am
- peterwn
  
  And Jacinda has effectively thrown her weight behind it. Looks like it will be an election promise to grab votes from both Auckland and Northland seats.
  
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  November 13, 2019 9:10am
  - cut n paster
    
    An “election promise you say”
    Phew! that’s a relief…. https://ibb.co/6W6f6m0
    
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    November 13, 2019 11:52am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  The idea of moving PoA to Whangarei is ridiculous and it will cost 20 billion + if they go ahead.
  
  It is being pushed by
  
  Winnie and Shane and the Nimbys in Akl who don’t want those horrible big ships spoiling the view whilst they sip their lattes.
  
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  November 13, 2019 10:09am
stephieboy

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
MAGA Parents get in early with indoctrination lessons for their kiddie,

Climate Denial Crock of the Week
with Peter Sinclair

MAGA Kid pushes back on GretaOmg, her parents should be arrested for this. They have clearly done some brain damage to her.

https://climatecrocks.com/2019/11/09/maga-kid-pushes-back-on-greta/
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November 13, 2019 8:40am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Only brain damage evident here is yours.
  
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  November 13, 2019 9:32am
- Michael
  
  sorry Stephie don’t agree.
  The Maga Kid is being able to think through stuff!
  Brilliant parenting there.
  
  Thanks for the link, made my day better…
  
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  November 13, 2019 9:34am
- chaos
  
  What a great girl, expressing her mind, and then attacked by the left for having her own views
  
  At least she isn’t going out and piercing at young Muslim girls then going on kiwiblog and commenting about their breasts. At least she is attracted to goats
  
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  November 13, 2019 3:10pm
artemisia

No first year free fees if there is change of government next year. A surge for next year, 2020, will show the country that the policy works and will be trumpeted However, during the year, there will be numbers of dropouts not mentioned by this government but will get plenty of airtime nonetheless.

Tertiary teachers will be happy, some will keep their jobs if enrolments rise.

Will a new government carry the fees free policy over to 2021, to allow for those households that planned on the basis of it?
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November 13, 2019 8:47am
- MCos
  
  No need to wait for the government or opposition to announce stats in a manner designed to suit their agenda.
  There’s all sorts of information on the internet if you want to dig around about how many kids from a particular school stay to the bitter end, advance to university, or other tertiary institutes, and are still there after a year.
  The demographics of each school is listed, which is interesting to compare with the demographics of their area.
  https://www.educationcounts.govt.nz/know-your-region
  
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  November 13, 2019 10:20am
Happychappy

I wonder if all those pretty horse owners that now get tax Incentives on them or all those fisherman that don’t need Camera’s on their trawlers so fishing laws are adhered to don’t give donations to this site.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/in-depth/403141/mysterious-foundation-loaning-new-zealand-first-money
Surely there would be nothing to look at here.
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November 13, 2019 8:59am
BeaB

So after endless consultations and meetings and expensive ‘experts’ our so-called reforms in education amount to this:
Ministry takes even more control of zoning than they already have.
Ministry takes even more control of property than they already have.
Principals will get a little more support.

All of this will make no difference at all to teaching and learning in the classroom, no difference to achievement, no difference to literacy and numeracy, no difference to the educational ‘gap’.
So much for Labour! Chris Hipkins – this is pathetic.
Just another expensive tinkering with the way schools are run and more jobs for bureaucrats.
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November 13, 2019 9:00am
- MCos
  
  From what I hear from one school, BoT meetings spend far too much time on school property maintenance issues, which they would happily offload to the MoE, leaving them more time to spend on educational issues.
  
  Zoning is a problem whereby the parents with more resources don’t send their kids to low decile schools if they can help it. This results in the kids at lower decile schools more likely to come from deprived, low income families. Kids don’t eat so well. Parents work long hours etc. Schools have fewer quality resources. Hard to attract top teachers.
  So it does make a difference to teaching & learning . . . .
  
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  November 13, 2019 10:47am
Maggie Pie

Anybody else get the feeling Mike Hoskings has a snitch on Reverse Bank Governor Adrian Orr?

Asking for a friend.
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November 13, 2019 9:02am
- Happychappy
  
  Maybe you should read some of Michael Reddit columns to see what Economists write about him before you judge Maggie
  
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  November 13, 2019 9:50am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  His name is Hosking and he’s not related to John Keys.
  
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  November 13, 2019 10:02am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Reserve? Funnier your way.
  
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  November 13, 2019 10:23am
- rangitoto
  
  Reverse Bank. Is that where you get to charge the back massive fees?
  
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  November 13, 2019 10:35am
  - bouden
    
    The Reserve Bank become the Reverse Bank when the former takes us into negative interest rates
    
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    November 13, 2019 11:33am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Where you go for a reverse mortgage?
    
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    November 13, 2019 11:35am
- Jack5
  
  Maggy, some people might say Orr needs to be kept under the media magnifying glass, given that he seems to have brought the Reserve Bank into the global climate debate, and embraced Maori mythology.
  
  One critic has accused Orr of “thinking of the Reserve Bank as akin to a localised tree god.”
  
  https://croakingcassandra.com/2019/02/22/the-apostle-of-the-tree-god/
  
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  November 13, 2019 10:47am
Odakyu-sen

Per capita, Māori were 7.6 times more likely than Pākehā* to be on the receiving end of police force, which included OC (pepper) spray, empty hand tactics, Taser and firearms.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12284442

Someone needs to re-make this helpful Chris Rock public service video to help the yoof of South Auckland from avoiding the risk of getting tasered.

Chris Rock video (from 0:13) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEvMc-K8XHY

*Pākehā (does this mean “whites” or “non Maori-self-identifiers”?)
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November 13, 2019 9:13am
Batman

I’m sure the usual suspects will (not) read this piece and shout “fake news!” “Lefty msm conspiracy!” “It’s a hoax!” “No crime!”

However, perhaps just a couple of people will read it and take it seriously, because it certainly is serious.

Trump, Ukraine and Impeachment: The Inside Story of How We Got Here https://nyti.ms/2CBdDzA

Roll-on the inevitable reflex-downvotes
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November 13, 2019 9:13am
- Rodney Randall
  
  https://tenor.com/search/liberal-tears-gifs
  
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  November 13, 2019 9:36am
- mikenmildagain
  
  That’s a very clear account of the scandal. Thanks for posting it.
  
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  November 13, 2019 9:46am
- Morrissey
  
  Impeach him for his actual crimes, not for this doomed fantasy about Russian interference. The Democratic Party “leadership”, that cabal of masterminds that installed as the Democratic nominatioin the toxic Hillary Clinton instead of the most popular politician in the United States, is the greatest gift Trump could have wished for.
  
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  November 13, 2019 9:57am
- Steve James
  
  Hey Batman, I have a large bridge to sell ya.
  
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  November 13, 2019 10:17am
  - MCos
    
    Is that it?
    
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    November 13, 2019 11:45am
- stephieboy
  
  Batman, unfortunately its behind a paywall but Time is onto it where Diplomat William Taylor has no illusions as to what in the US President actually meant by his Quid Pro Quo ( this for that ) statement meant
  
  Diplomat William Taylor Had ‘Clear Understanding’ of Ukraine Quid Pro Quo: Transcript
  
  WASHINGTON — A State Department envoy told lawmakers it was his “clear understanding” the U.S. government intended to withhold military aid from Ukraine until the country committed to investigations sought by President Donald Trump, including into a political rival, according to a transcript of the closed-door interview released Wednesday.
  
  William Taylor told impeachment investigators he understood that the security assistance, and not just a White House meeting for Ukraine’s new president, was conditioned on the country committing to investigations of Joe Biden and also Democrats’ actions in the 2016 election.
  “That was my clear understanding, security assistance money would not come until the president committed to pursue the investigation,” Taylor said.
  He was asked if he was aware that “quid pro quo” meant “this for that.”
  “I am,” he replied.
  The testimony from Taylor, the top U.S. diplomat in Ukraine, further connects the Trump administration to a quid-pro-quo agreement involving Ukraine that is now at the heart of the House impeachment inquiry….”
  
  https://time.com/5720446/william-taylor-ukraine-quid-pro-quo-transcript/
  
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  November 13, 2019 10:17am
- Ed Snack
  
  Happy to oblige with the downvote !
  
  Joke article though, with a direct lie in the introduction – ‘asked the Ukrainians to investigate one of his opponents”…
  
  Just maybe the NYT should have read the call transcript before making that statement ?
  
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  November 13, 2019 11:09am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    “do us a favor”
    
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    November 13, 2019 11:37am
  - stephieboy
    
    Ed Snack, ” the call” transcript. You mean the Whitehouse redacted copy?
    
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    November 13, 2019 11:50am
rightoverlabour

Notice that Bill’s arguments not once reference Religion, or religious beliefs.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/euthanasia-debate/117361324/why-i-oppose-the-end-of-life-choice-bill-in-plain-english

A murderer potentially has more protection than an old lady with this legislation.
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November 13, 2019 9:14am
Straight arrow

Anybody else heard of Wellington City Council’s “Backyard Toanga”? New scheme where Council, ecology and landscape specialists, and local Iwi identify important natural areas of native bush and landscapes around the city.

As on Council site:
“If you have plans that involve clearing that part or your land, please give us a call. We’re keen to hear your views on how best to protect these places without getting in the way of day to day use and maintenance. After the District Plan has been through a review, and we have considered all the feedback, there could be changes to how much you can do to that area without resource consent.”

How much will resource consent cost to plant a new non-native tree that you like, or put in a bbq area?
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November 13, 2019 9:17am
- sooty
  
  Quick, cut them down before the council!
  
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  November 13, 2019 12:16pm
  - Straight arrow
    
    Sooty, you are so right. Being held hostage by partisan and non-elected people (ecology and landscape specialists, and local Iwi) for what you can do will reduce value of your land, and pro-active owners will chop it all down.
    
    There is evidence that when wildlife protection legislation in US was being passed that land owners changed their land to get rid of plants that supported, say eagles etc, prior to law being enacted.
    
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    November 13, 2019 5:24pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Make it a Hangi Pit.
  
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  November 13, 2019 10:37pm
Morrissey

How would YOU react?

You’re leading your son by the hand to kindergarten. The pair of you are stopped by two heavily armed thugs.

The thugs scream at you, repeatedly and violently push you and then grab your throat as they accuse your small son of throwing stones. As you try to shield your son from the frightening confrontation, one thug pulls out his rifle and sticks it in your face.

Read on….

https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/11/12/israel-is-silencing-the-last-voices-trying-to-stop-abuses-against-palestinians/
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November 13, 2019 9:28am
- Jack5
  
  “Pulled out his rifle?”
  
  Morrissey, where was he keeping it – in a shoulder holster?
  
  I have sympathy for Palestinians, but, as always, there are two sides to this war.
  
  If I were the humiliated dad, I’d ring my brother Abdul and tell him to toss another rocket on the home launcher.
  
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  November 13, 2019 11:27am
- Michael
  
  Make it like glass Morrissey, make it like glass..
  
  No problemo..
  
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  November 13, 2019 5:26pm
lastmanstanding

I see Winstons order that TV ONE dont report the case continues. Must be nice to be able to bully the news media.
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November 13, 2019 9:29am
- Michael
  
  yeah our free impartial media in NZ.
  
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  November 13, 2019 9:36am
- mikenmildagain
  
  What order?
  TVNZ seems to be reporting the case:
  https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/former-beehive-big-shaker-backs-civil-servants-told-ministers-winston-peters-superannuation-over-payments
  
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  November 13, 2019 9:48am
curry4me

More Brexit news. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtlFO0E0R3A
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November 13, 2019 9:35am
Maggie Pie

M partners mum tweets:

PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJJ8GGEXkAAlmoh?format=jpg&name=small

LOL!!!
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November 13, 2019 9:35am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Yuk!
  
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  November 13, 2019 11:36am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    As ma just said, “They don’t like it up ’em Capt’n”
    
    😛
    
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    November 13, 2019 12:00pm
- chaos
  
  Wonder is it will get a presidential pardon, oh wait wrong president for that to be pardoned
  
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  November 13, 2019 12:34pm
- JibberJabber
  
  Sponsored by PG Tips?
  
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  November 13, 2019 2:52pm
Morrissey

Is the “Sensible Sentencing Trust” supporting this bloke?

And if not, why not?

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/11/meet_a_third_striker_-_stephen_williams.html
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November 13, 2019 9:40am
- Jack5
  
  You’re wavering, Morrissey, I can tell.
  
  Next you will be calling for reintroduction of the death penalty.
  
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  November 13, 2019 11:36am
- peterwn
  
  David Garrett (who works close with SST) did not support the judge showing a slight bit of sympathy for the accused’s predicament. He also claimed the judge ducked the ‘manifestly unjust’ issue by sentencing the guy to Preventative Detention with 14 years minimum. If the judge had not ordered Preventative Detention he would have got a ‘third strike’ 14 year without parole sentence. The judge delivered fully so the SST would have had nothing to gripe about.
  
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  November 13, 2019 9:32pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I read her comments about the Mongrel Mob being the same as the Moslem Victims in the Chch massacre.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/11/mongrel-mob-pr-compares-gang-to-christchurch-mosque-attack-victims.html
I’m not sure law-abiding citizens are going to enjoy being lumped in with a bunch of thugs.
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November 13, 2019 9:47am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Thanks for that link Maggs. I just happened to scroll down and found this very timely warning that i thought well worth sharing with the group as well….
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/lifestyle/2019/10/doctors-warn-women-to-stop-putting-toothpaste-in-their-vaginas.html
  
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  November 13, 2019 10:13am
- MrTips
  
  This is getting serious. It’s no coincidence that the MM go on a charm offensive with the current Govt leaders in power, imo. Are there links? It’s likely worth investigating.
  
  And she’s pretty white for Mob moll.
  
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  November 13, 2019 10:13am
- cmm
  
  The really scary thing – Mongel Mob have a PR department.
  
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  November 13, 2019 10:47am
  - Inandout
    
    cmm, and they drink booze, take drugs, eat pork, and have dogs. Not an easy fit with Islam.
    
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    November 13, 2019 10:53am
- Jack5
  
  The PR job from Hell: Mongrel Mob media liaison officer, Ms Louisa Hutchinson.
  
  She’s launched a new word:”mongrelism.”
  
  Hutchinson told the interviewers that gang members aren’t going to change name or logo. So she would have law-abiding citizens adjust and change.
  
  Talk about barking mad.
  
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  November 13, 2019 10:55am
  - mark15
    
    Is Mongaphobia next in the meeja?
    
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    November 13, 2019 12:16pm
JibberJabber

Corruption, NZ Fisters is thy name,
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/in-depth/403141/mysterious-foundation-loaning-new-zealand-first-money
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November 13, 2019 9:50am
stephieboy

So much for recent attempts by posters on KB bad mouthing wind power ,

Mercury NZ pours in $208m extra on New Zealand’s largest wind farm

“ Power company Mercury will spend another $208 million building the country’s largest wind farm near Palmerston North.

It had resource consent to build up to 60 turbines on the site in Turitea, but initially agreed to erect only 33 in March, at a cost of $256m.

However, it will now add the remaining 27 turbines.

“Being able to complete the Turitea wind farm at its full scale contributes further to New Zealand’s sustainable, low emissions future by making more renewable, Kiwi-made electricity available for homes, businesses and vehicles throughout the country,” Mercury chief executive Fraser Whineray said in a statement…”

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/403075/mercury-nz-pours-in-208m-extra-on-new-zealand-s-largest-wind-farm
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November 13, 2019 10:05am
- rangitoto
  
  How many endangered birds will this development kill?
  
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  November 13, 2019 11:30am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Concern noted.
    
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    November 13, 2019 11:39am
- chaos
  
  So does anyone know any recent attempts by people here against wind power or is this just another attack lie
  
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  November 13, 2019 12:32pm
- cmm
  
  You do realise that Meridian pouring in money does not necessarily mean they are a good idea.
  
  For the most part this is a PR stunt. It is called Greenwashing and you’re lapping it up.
  
  Here’s another clue: “…Kiwi-made electricity…”.
  
  FFS there isn’t any other kind of electricity available in NZ. We’re an ISLAND all our electricity is made here – unlike, say those in Europe who trade electricity across borders.
  
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  November 13, 2019 12:34pm
  - peterwn
    
    The South Island claims to be a net exporter of electricity.
    
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    November 13, 2019 9:35pm
- JibberJabber
  
  Maybe we can get the Krauts to advise us on which stands of Native bush should be levelled?https://climatechangedispatch.com/germany-raze-forest-wind-turbines/
  
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  November 13, 2019 2:58pm
Fletch

Very telling. In a story from back in 2009, one of the few family homes to survive in an area devastated by fires in Australia got fined $50,000 for cutting back trees close to their home. It is green policies that make fires worse by forbidding the clearing of flammable gum trees to a reasonable area around homes.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/fined-for-illegal-clearing-family-now-feel-vindicated-20090212-85bd.html

I am wondering if it is still the case today.
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November 13, 2019 10:29am
- chaos
  
  And the same green crap is behind the fires in California
  
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  November 13, 2019 12:29pm
- peterwn
  
  $A50,000 seemed to be a wise investment in the circumstances.
  
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  November 13, 2019 9:37pm
krazykiwi

Who was slain Islamic Jihad commander Bahaa Abu al-Ata?
The 42-year-old was killed in an Israeli air raid on his home in Gaza that also killed his wife.

Bahaa Abu al-Ata, a commander of the Palestinian group Islamic Jihad, has been assassinated in an Israeli air raid targeting his home in the besieged Gaza Strip.

The attack in the early hours of Tuesday also killed the 42-year-old’s wife. Medics and local sources told Al Jazeera that the raid in Gaza’s Shejaiya neighbourhood also wounded two of his children who are receiving medical treatment in the city’s al-Shifa hospital.

I’m sad that his wife also died, but amazed that his children did not. Given that it was an air strike, and assuming they lived in the same house (which is normal) the precision of the Israeli hit is laudable.
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November 13, 2019 10:44am
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  I’m sad that his wife also died…
  
  Good on you, krazykiwi. That raises you several points above ayone in the Israeli “Defence” Force who killed her.
  
  “….the precision of the Israeli hit is laudable.”
  
  The wife is just “collateral damage”, right. Just like the more than 500 children killed in the 2014 mass killings of Gaza residents.
  
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  November 13, 2019 11:34am
  - Jack5
    
    What’s brought on this pro-Palestinian binge today, Morrissey?
    
    Is it the price of dates, and the resultant dearth of them in scones at your supermarket?
    
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    November 13, 2019 11:37am
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    It is war, so yes there is collateral damage. The same thing happens when Palestinian terrorists use schools and kindergartens to launch their indiscriminate attacks, cameras ready to capture the retaliatory bloodshed.
    
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    November 13, 2019 1:00pm
- Michael
  
  Shame.
  Don’t know why people are so dopey on Israel.
  If it had been the Americans it would have been the whole street!
  
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  November 13, 2019 5:22pm
Liberty

TV one have been self pleasuring themselves over presenting the news for 50years.
What is there to be proud off. A few years ago one of their best presenters
claimed the news was brain dead.
Did TVone take the hint and improve. No it is still nauseating.
Fortunately NZ lost the Rugby. So Rugby in no longer top billing.
Replaced with a murder trial.
Meanwhile The deputy Prime minister found to be double dipping.
But as COL are like minded comrades the story is buried. A long
with sexgate.
Question time in the house is only rarely covered. Which is not surprising
As Dear Leader is out of her depth and ranting like a fish wife is not a good look.
We did get a fashion report from some horse race.
Seven sharp gives the little people a daily lecturer along with a special report
on a trasnsexual gingerbread man.
International news is basically limited to Rugby.
While Eugland is leaving the EU and having one of the most important elections in years and the coverage is abysmal.
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November 13, 2019 10:46am
- Morrissey
  
  [Mod: Deleted – defamatory. English was cleared of any wrong-doing, as you well know. Final warning]
  
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  November 13, 2019 11:36am
Maggy Wassilieff

Bryce Edwards telling one & all that Jacindamania is on the wane and Chloe Swarbrick is the new luvvy.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/12/chloe-swarbrick-is-the-voice-of-young-progressives-but-can-she-stay-the-distance
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November 13, 2019 10:54am
- cmm
  
  New Peogressives?
  
  Nothing more regressive than a Greenie.
  
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  November 13, 2019 10:56am
- cut n paster
  
  The Guardian New Zealand section is a satire website like the Onion – right?
  
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  November 13, 2019 11:05am
  - sooty
    
    Like Guy Williams the comedian!
    
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    November 13, 2019 12:23pm
- Jack5
  
  Maggy’s link takes us to a simulated front page of the Guardian, with the Swarbrick story.
  
  I then went through VPN to disguise my location from the site. The Swarbrick report and other NZ material were gone.
  
  There are the following sector headings on the top of the page: Europe, US, Americas, Asia, Australia, Middle East, Africa, Inequality, Cities, Global development. There was no “New Zealand”.
  
  I couldn’t find the report even under “Australia,” but did find under “Asia” two New Zealand reports – about the Mullane murder trial, and about Russian voting in the NZ “bird of the year” contest.
  
  Conclusion: the New Zealand coverage in the Guardian is targeted largely for NZ readers only.
  
  A bit like the old regional editions of “Time” magazine. NZ politicians would preen themselves if they made the cover of “Time”, ignoring that it was only in the NZ or (South) “Pacific” edition.
  
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  November 13, 2019 11:08am
  - cut n paster
    
    There must be the remnants of a previous relationship between NZ Labour and the Guardian Editorial staff. A tryst while interning for Tony Blair maybe?
    The number of “fawning” articles about our very own, “greatest socialist leader the world has known” and the impact worldwide. All the “kindness” filtering through saving us all…
    It’s helped me considerably with my bulimic expulsions…
    Thanks Socialism and the globalist agenda.. but we are not the guinea pigs for your experiments.
    
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    November 13, 2019 12:11pm
    - Jack5
      
      In the Telegraph today, Allison Pearson, taking a swing at the wokeness of the BBC for rewriting war classics, takes a sideswipe at the Guardian:
      
      “Remember it was the Manchester Guardian, the BBC house journal, which ran headlines praising Stalin and demanding that Britain didn’t go to war with Hitler.”
      
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      November 13, 2019 2:37pm
- Morrissey
  
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  Keep living in that fantasy world Maggy. By the way, how’s Super Simon doing? Still making those intelligent and inspirational public statements, is he?
  
  https://media1.tenor.com/images/7227be633ae5578164544ffda8fd337e/tenor.gif?itemid=10882805
  
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  November 13, 2019 11:38am
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This must be a very special occasion. Oh to be there ,

“Cellist Yo-Yo Ma performs with local musicians at free Christchurch event”

At midday on Wednesday 13 November world-renowned cellist Yo-Yo Ma will perform at an extraordinary event on the banks of the Ōtākaro/Avon River with New Zealand musicians including Marlon Williams, Ruby Solly and Phil Dadson.

Clarissa Dunn caught up with the event creators Juliet Arnott and Kerepeti Paraone to find out about what they are planning as part of Yo-Yo Ma’s ‘The Bach Project’.

Waiata ki te Wai / Songs for Water invites the public to sing waiata together and listen to stories, karakia and music in celebration of the way water connects us. The free event is open to everyone and will take place at midday on Wednesday on the banks of the Ōtākaro Avon River.

Everyone is encouraged to join in singing the well-known waiata Purea nei and Te Wai Tuku Kiri – a local waiata which “speaks about the life giving properties that water has in moving through different states as it makes its way to the sea…”

https://www.rnz.co.nz/concert/programmes/upbeat/audio/2018721810/cellist-yo-yo-ma-performs-with-local-musicians-at-free-christchurch-event
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November 13, 2019 11:58am
- cmm
  
  Geeze, hasn’t Christchurch suffered enough this decade?
  
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  November 13, 2019 12:38pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Pantheism.
  
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  November 13, 2019 2:06pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Jacinda’s version of Dawn raids

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/117364278/police-target-south-auckland-churches-to-catch-unlicensed-pasifika-drivers
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November 13, 2019 12:17pm
- sooty
  
  Cindys driving them to the buses!
  Or maybe a pacific family on a escooter!
  
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  November 13, 2019 12:26pm
- chaos
  
  Good, I hope they continue with this
  
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  November 13, 2019 12:26pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Only if they were rough sleepers Maggs.
  Probably best left to early afternoon I’d imagine 😀
  
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  November 13, 2019 12:55pm
- DigNap15
  
  Good news people should not drive if they cannot afford to register a car or if they have no license
  Many people have the time and money to drink, or smoke or go to the Warriors etc.
  
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  November 13, 2019 12:55pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Do people need to drink and smoke because they go and see the Warriors, or does following the Warriors drive their fans to drink and smoke?
    
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    November 13, 2019 1:21pm
chaos

* The investigation into how Budget-sensitive material was accessed from Treasury by the National Party has been terminated over an undeclared “conflict of interest”.

State Services Commissioner Peter Hughes announced on Wednesday that the current investigation’s integrity has been “compromised” and a new one will take its place.

Hughes said a member of the investigation team led by Murray Jack failed to declare a conflict of interest – but that conflict of interest hasn’t been disclosed to the public. *

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/11/probe-into-budget-botch-up-terminated-over-undeclared-conflict-of-interest.html
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November 13, 2019 2:07pm
chaos

Now if only they would backflip on a quality immigrant who has fought fires, been to accidents and spends his life serving New Zealand

* The Government has backflipped on culturally arranged marriage visa rule changes.

Earlier this year, Immigration New Zealand adopted a tougher policy on the partnership visa category. To be eligible, couples must have lived together, making it hard for those with arranged marriages to bring their spouses to New Zealand.*

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/11/government-backflips-on-arranged-marriage-visa.html
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November 13, 2019 2:11pm
chaos

* There are more questions than answers about a mysterious entity which has loaned money to the NZ First Party.

NZ First has disclosed three loans totalling $194,545 over the past three years from an entity called the NZ First Foundation.

Each loan was for a 12-month term, but payable at any time by the party, with the equivalent of commercial bank interest rates charged.

It is unclear whether each loan is a new loan, or the renewal of an unpaid portion of the previous year’s loan.

The disclosures list lawyer Brian Henry and former NZ First MP Doug Woolerton as trustees.

When the Herald rang Woolerton, now a lobbyist, to ask about the Foundation he said he did not know much about it.*

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/politics/questions-raised-about-opaque-nz-first-foundation/
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November 13, 2019 2:28pm
Maggie Pie

Just saw Jacinda stomp out of the Chamber following Simon’s questioning about Chris Lynch’s Christchurch tweet!

HOLY TOLEDO – you wouldn’t want to be in her Press Secretary’s panties 😛
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November 13, 2019 2:29pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  By the look of her today she might be on a vegan diet. That can’t be doing her any good.
  
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  November 13, 2019 3:10pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Yes, even my partner txt me from work how gaunt she looked 🙁
    Do you think that new Health Coach has her on a raw fruit diet, Captain?
    His tweet does say, “PM for details”
    
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJCs1NiU0AAXRH9?format=jpg&name=900×900
    
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    November 13, 2019 4:13pm
    - chaos
      
      He’s Premenstraul?
      
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      November 13, 2019 7:01pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Probably true Maggie. She looks like she’s on s diet of raw rhubarb. Looks a bit like a female version of that guy.
      
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      November 13, 2019 8:28pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    No, she’s provided a fish pie recipe (her mother’s) to The Country for a celeb cookbook they are producing for charity. She says it’s her go-to recipe, with all the fisah in her house. Perhaps she’s a pescetarian.
    
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    November 13, 2019 7:03pm
- JibberJabber
  
  Got a Link?
  
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  November 13, 2019 3:59pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Yup, see above.
    
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    November 13, 2019 4:53pm
JibberJabber

Australia on fire, anyone still think it is Climate Change?

https://twitter.com/saltyreign/status/1194409028622770176
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November 13, 2019 2:30pm
- chaos
  
  Well some weirdo parents do give their kids weird names so it is possible the two little shits arrested the other day in Aussie for starting fires are named Climate and Change
  
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  November 13, 2019 6:23pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Christchurch Massacre inquiry given more time, more $$$.

the public deserves to know what the relevant state sector agencies knew about the accused shooter’s activities before the attack, and how that could be used to prevent another similar event from happening.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/11/royal-commission-into-mosque-attacks-gets-3m-boost-four-month-extension.html
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November 13, 2019 2:41pm
- DigNap15
  
  I’d rather they spent their time watching all islamic groups in NZ and searching other mosques to see if they have any more weapons.
  
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  November 13, 2019 8:57pm
JibberJabber

Gender Reveals, what a time to be alive,
https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=uZKZn_1573605258

Kinda NSFW, if you`re a sensitive type.
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November 13, 2019 2:51pm
Fletch

The modern version of Little Red Hen. ?

Once upon a time, there was a little red hen who scratched about the barnyard until she uncovered some grains of wheat. She called her neighbors and said, “If we plant this wheat, we shall have bread to eat. Who will help me plant it?”

“Not I,” said the cow.

“Not I,” said the duck.

“Not I,” said the pig.

“Not I,” said the goose.

“Then I will,” said the little red hen. And she did. The wheat grew tall and ripened into golden grain. “Who will help me reap my wheat?” asked the little red hen.

“Not I,” said the duck.

“Out of my classification,” said the pig.

“I’d lose my seniority,” said the cow.

“I’d lose my unemployment compensation,” said the goose.

“Then I will,” said the little red hen, and she did.

At last it came time to bake the bread. “Who will help me bake the bread?” asked the little red hen.

“That would be overtime for me,” said the cow.

“I’d lose my welfare benefits,” said the duck.

“I’m a dropout and never learned how,” said the pig.

“If I’m to be the only helper, that’s discrimination,” said the goose.

“Then I will,” said the little red hen.

She baked five loaves and held them up for her neighbors to see. They wanted some and, in fact, demanded a share. But the little red hen said, “No, I can eat the five loaves.”

“Excess profits!” cried the cow.

“Capitalist leech!” screamed the duck.

“I demand equal rights!” yelled the goose.

And the pig just grunted. And they painted “unfair” picket signs and marched around and around the little red hen, shouting obscenities.

When the government agent came, he said to the little red hen, “You must not be greedy.”

“But I earned the bread,” said the little red hen.

“Exactly,” said the agent. “That is the wonderful free enterprise system. Anyone in the barnyard can earn as much as he wants.

But under our modern government regulations, the productive workers must divide their product with the idle.”

And they lived happily ever after, including the little red hen, who smiled and clucked, “I am grateful. I am grateful.”

But her neighbors wondered why she never again baked any more bread.
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November 13, 2019 3:08pm
- Michael
  
  Thanks Fletch
  I’m going to put that on a TShirt for the Summer with Jacinda’s face.
  
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  November 13, 2019 5:18pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That is very good
  
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  November 13, 2019 5:43pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Thanks to the shithead for the downtick. Does your mum know that you are home from school?
    
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    November 13, 2019 6:06pm
- Prince
  
  The next morning the hen was again surrounded.
  ‘Your bread made me sick’, said the duck, ‘it contained gluten’.
  ‘Your white bread is racist’ cried the cow, ‘we demand brown bread’.
  ‘Your bread made me fat’ cried the pig, ‘you have colonised me’.
  ‘Your baking process caused a climate crisis’ cried the goose.
  
  The Government official led the hen away to be re-educated. She was never seen again.
  
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  November 13, 2019 5:44pm
chaos

What a load of utter crap. Just look in the shop at the labels, not at all targeting Māori, you can get them under just about any name.

* The New Zealand Dental Association (NZDA) has lashed out at Coca-Cola for targeting Māori on soft drink labels, calling it “unethical and completely irresponsible.”

In a statement prepared with Māori public health body Hāpai te Hauora and Te Ao Mārama – The Māori Dental Association, NZDA sugary drinks spokesperson Rob Beaglehole said calls to action such as “‘Share a Coke with Whānau’ and ‘Share a Coke with Kuia” were “a subversive insidious way to connect with people who suffer a disproportionate amount of dental disease and harm from a public health perspective.”*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/well-good/117381663/te-reo-cocacola-labels-exploit-mori-says-nz-dental-association
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November 13, 2019 3:56pm
chaos

Completely agree with Simon, this speaker is very biased and constantly allows the government, Peters, etc get away with so much

The most corrupt speaker this government has had

* Simon Bridges has been kicked out of Parliament after mocking Speaker Trevor Mallard.

The Opposition leader accused Mallard of having better hearing in his right ear during an exchange in the House on Wednesday.

“I’ve had enough,” Mallard told Bridges. “The member knows he will resume his seat when I stand up. He will start off by withdrawing and apologising for not doing that.”

Mallard told Bridges he had been “testing his patience” during the session, for “interjecting…repeatedly”.

Bridges then asked Mallard “to reflect on the tape”

“Because it does much rather seem that your left ear is rather more acute at picking these things up than your right ear.”

Mallard then gave the National MP his marching orders.*

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/11/simon-bridges-kicked-out-of-parliament-for-mocking-trevor-mallard.html
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November 13, 2019 3:59pm
Jack5

Lees-Galloway and Jacinderella reverse changes on visas for arranged marriages, helping ensure the tidal wave of immigration continues.

NZ First has done bugger all to live up to its promises of limiting immigration. They were more Peters bullshit.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12284119
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November 13, 2019 5:12pm
- curry4me
  
  Bugger all is what they do best.
  
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  November 13, 2019 8:06pm
Prince

Peters blinks.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/117401173/winston-peters-accepts-national-ministers-didnt-leak

Well done Bennett and Tolley. Pity about the lag in judgement.
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November 13, 2019 5:34pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Personally, I think it’s great that Justice Venning will deliver his judgment in election year!
  
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  November 13, 2019 7:04pm
- peterwn
  
  Now Paula needs to do the right thing and send Winston and Brian a nice bunch of flowers each.
  
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  November 13, 2019 9:53pm
Happychappy

So now Winston Peter’s wants only one $450,000 payment from MSD for his named being trashed after now saying Ann Tolley and Paula Bennett were not responsible for the leaked release of his Pension details.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/11/13/909071/peters-accepts-national-ministers-didnt-leak
How can he get a thing from MSD when they were doing there job and it was his place to fill in the form with the correct details.
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November 13, 2019 5:49pm
chaos

Aww poor Winston, had his pension set to what it should be and has found a way to get a $450,000 top up. He will lose.

* Winston Peters has accepted in the High Court that two former National ministers he had been suing for $450,000 for breaching his privacy were not the source of the leak or responsible for it.

In his closing submission today, Peters’ lawyer Brian Henry said both Anne Tolley and Paula Bennett denied in their evidence leaking information on Peters’ seven-year overpayment of superannuation – and the lawyer for the Ministry of Social Development and public servants did not challenge those denials.*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/117401173/winston-peters-accepts-national-ministers-didnt-leak
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November 13, 2019 5:52pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Harharharhar Har de bloody har.
  Couldn’t happen to a nicer prick.
  
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  November 13, 2019 8:31pm
fernglas

So Winston’s case boils down to this: he accepts that the Ministers didn’t leak so it must have been someone in the MSD. And he is not alleging that they acted in bad faith, which would give him the onus of proving it was them who did it, but that they didn’t act in good faith, which gives them the onus of proving they didn’t leak. Plus he has based his claim for $450.000 on a defamation case, which is a cause of action that arises out of telling lies about someone, rather than the truth. And finally, one assumes, he is basing his claim for such a high level of damages for breach of privacy around the premise that it was not in the public interest for us to know that the now-Deputy PM was overpaid National Super for some years because he filled out a form wrongly. All this while claiming that reports about the case in the media were somehow in breach of the sub-judice rule. I don’t see that it should take beyond Friday to get the judgment out, let alone the end of the year
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November 13, 2019 7:49pm
curry4me

Shifty Schiff is looking for more witnesses, or ‘whistleblowers’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwbZaPBMpIk
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November 13, 2019 8:07pm
curry4me

Looks like ‘impeachment’ isn’t going too well for the Democrats.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBf2pd3rDFY
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