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Jack5

Excellent article by Oliver Hartwich as he analyses why today’s young folk are so Left wing – why they like socialism.

He pins his article on the anniversary of the fall of the German wall.

I think he’s being optimistic in his goals for history teaching, though. The teachers in the main are staunch socialists.

https://nzinitiative.outreach.co.nz/?Ns=&Na=view-msg-public&SMESG-oid=22297&Scontact=ac75deb5
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November 10, 2019 8:04am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  Well, that’s a supremely arrogant dismissal of young people’s views.
  
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  November 10, 2019 8:38am
  - Sacha
    
    You would say that, wouldn’t you.
    
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    November 10, 2019 9:32am
  - Jack5
    
    ? OK boomer.
    
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    November 10, 2019 9:44am
  - barnacle bill
    
    That is true Mike, but it suits J5,s agenda I guess.
    
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    November 10, 2019 9:46am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    Churchill said if you arent a socialist at 20 you dont have a heart and if you arent a capitalist at 40 you dont have a brain.
    
    The smarter of them will grow and see the light and the Right.
    
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    November 10, 2019 9:59am
    - Harriet
      
      A bit late buy then as everyone is expected to pay for their ideals for another 28yrs, and in just the last 12yrs look what they’ve cost us with global warming crap. It needs to end soon.
      The cold war in Chile and SA is a good way to teach these youngsters about what Western Socialism becomes in short order; you go broke and the Generals eventually gain control after rioting, and political posturing by vested interests, namely the Churches. The army is about Light and Good Order, has been since the days of the Crusades.
      
      “I’ve done no wrong and if I have God will forgive me.” – General Pinochet. 😎
      
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      November 10, 2019 10:12am
  - srylands
    
    I’m not sure how old you are but I assume you are not 21. Or thereabouts. I voted “left” up until I was about 26. I then realised that socialism had zero answers and did immense damage.
    
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    November 10, 2019 10:44am
- greybeard
  
  Great article. Thanks for bringing it my attention.
  
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  November 10, 2019 8:39am
- Jade Warrior
  
  There is a certain sense of romance and adventure in left leaning ideologies like socialism and environmentalism that appeals massively to younger people – the idea that you can change the world and realise some form of utopia. For young, idealistic people such as Greta Thunberg, this is heady stuff.
  
  By contrast, capitalism cannot compete with all this romance and sheer excitement. Honestly – where is the romance in waking up at 7am every weekday and trudging off to work for a living? Capitalism is the only economic system that works (or works a lot better than any of the others) but it struggles to engage our emotions.
  
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  November 10, 2019 8:46am
  - Simon
    
    “where is the romance in waking up at 7am every weekday and trudging off to collect your turnip ration.”
    
    Socialism
    
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    November 10, 2019 9:09am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    The allure of suddenly ascending from bottom to top of social hierarchy has always had huge pulling power. That’s evolution. Talent contests, acting, Fame, lotteries, elite sports…. and revolution. Every revolutionary is a closet aristocrat.
    
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    November 10, 2019 9:46am
  - Gandolfo
    
    Under capitalism man exploits man, under socialism is the other way around.
    
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    November 10, 2019 11:00am
  - artemisia
    
    Clean your room before you criticise the world Jordan Peterson sort of.
    
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    November 10, 2019 2:13pm
  - kloyd0306
    
    Cannot take credit for this (but it’s true):
    Socialism is for those who want everything you have except your job.
    
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    November 10, 2019 10:14pm
- stephieboy
  
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  Do all young people think like that?
  
  Or is a case of trying to build a society that is fair and just to all?
  
  Not just for the greedy ones!
  
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  November 10, 2019 9:22am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  I’ll quote it again:
  
  Good times make weak men (and women).
  
  We have had good times now in this country for well over a generation (almost two generations, since the late 1980s).
  
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  November 10, 2019 9:25am
- Linda Reid
  
  Two kinds of people are attracted to socialism. Those who don’t want to grow up and take full responsibility for their lives and those who think they know best and want to tell everyone else how to live and what choices they should make.
  
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  November 10, 2019 10:26am
  - mikenmildagain
    
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    So when countries like New Zealand have a long history of socialised healthcare and education, does that mean that New Zealanders generally are immature and irresponsible or are they know-alls and authoritarians?
    
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    November 10, 2019 11:36am
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      Mikey: We have both types attempting to run the show at the moment. Hence, failure on an epic scale.
      
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      November 10, 2019 11:59am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Linda Reid, so Sir John Key and Sir Bill English both retained our by and large socialised Health and eduction system.
    
    Immature and not taking responsibility ?
    
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    November 10, 2019 11:51am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      I’m liking this new Stephieboy, nailed it again!
      
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      November 10, 2019 12:46pm
- pb
  
  The fall of the Berlin wall came out of the blue. The Germans, Russians, Kiwis and Americans on the ground had no forewarning. It just fell.
  
  At this stage teachers, government, media have become indoctrination factories for socialism. How can you wonder why many naive kids lean left. All the machinery around them is herding them like lambs to the slaughter. At this stage cowed teachers seem more like the enemy to western christian values.
  
  But, anyone who has kids will attest, if you try and force them to do something, without a damn good reason, they will rebel.
  
  An interesting demographic trend is that Conservative Religious families are breeding, 3-4+ kids. And their kids tend to be conservative and religious. The liberal socialist demographic trend is a dead end and dying. Which is why they love importing diversity, they are so wrapped up in their hedonistic lives they forget to have kids. Keep at the family, and one day the demographic wall will fall.
  
  Here’s a white pill: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/30948.The_Rise_of_Christianity
  
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  November 10, 2019 10:38am
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From the annals of ancinet hsitory,
The Emperor Claudius’s hold on power was initially very precarious contemptuously regarded as feeble-minded by many in the Senate and Rome’s ruling elites . But he was to show very differently ,

I, Claudius – Half Wit Beats Senate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQe28wNe6SU

And as measure to consolidate his power and reputation, Claudius adroitly sought a victory for the empire . He looked north and decided he would succeed that eluded his great predecessor , Julius Caesar . He would conquer Britain . Claudius succeeded beyond everyone and his wildest dreams . That is another story with the conquering hero arriving at a victory parade Colchester riding on an elephant ,

Roman Invasion of Britain (1of3): Onslaught (with Bettany Hughes) History Documentary H

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mg8019GcsgA
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November 10, 2019 8:25am
- Jack5
  
  ? Stephie X, you do realise the I Claudius TV mini-series is only 43 years old – that the Romans didn’t actually have TV?
  
  Why are you reviewing 1970s TV?
  
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  November 10, 2019 8:39am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Muslim basher Inc , I think it happens to be a powerful dramatising of real historical events using Robert Graves great imaagination and deep knowledge of Classical and Roman history.
    
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    November 10, 2019 9:26am
    - Jack5
      
      Sure it’s not because Stephiestan TV plays only old – very old – reruns of Western TV?
      
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      November 10, 2019 11:57am
      - sooty
        
        Goody, John Wayne movies!
        
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        November 10, 2019 12:33pm
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Be fair, Robert Graves was a bona fide historian, and the series was very cool!
    
    On the other hand, watch out for Hermann the German!
    
    😉
    
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    November 10, 2019 9:29am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Why have you written Muslim basher Inc in response to Jack5’s comment, stephieboy?
    
    Are you trying to slip a nasty insult/slur past the Moderator?
    For I can’t see how Muslims have anything to do with the Emperor Claudius 10BC – 54AD.
    
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    November 10, 2019 12:11pm
- John Warren
  
  What auto-translator from the goat Latin did you use for that barely intelligible grammatical mess?
  
  Or did you copy and paste directly from Stuff?
  
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  November 10, 2019 9:12am
- Simon
  
  “He looked north and decided he would succeed that eluded his great predecessor , Julius Caesar ”
  
  They cant work where in Britain first came ashore either time as it was 2 to 3 miles inland today.
  
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  November 10, 2019 9:17am
  - mark15
    
    Yep, a lot warmer back then.You try growing grapevines outside now…
    
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    November 10, 2019 1:14pm
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Does anyone think the Nats are going to make Govt. next year?

Why would you think that?

Have they any freinds that they can call on?
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November 10, 2019 8:26am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The present mob are self destructing. Positive achivements: nil; negative: incompetency, killing rural NZ, fomenting social strife, no executive ability, communism by stealth.
  
  The people have turned. We have seen this all before.
  ☑️☑️
  
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  November 10, 2019 8:47am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Maybe.
    
    The Nats have folded like a Warewhare tent on the three biggest policy issues this year. Leadership isn’t about simply assuming the position, while letting motorists, firearms owners and the farming sector get it good and hard.
    
    Have they earned anyone’s vote? Certainly not mine.
    
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    November 10, 2019 9:34am
    - Happychappy
      
      And David Seymour sold his sole to Winston over the euthanasia bill, but I suppose you pick what you like out Bill’s and fuck the democatic need for consensus of having it worded right for thoose that want to choose.
      
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      November 10, 2019 11:54am
  - Dazzaman
    
    They are not even that stealthy with their communism.
    
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    November 10, 2019 9:13pm
- Martin Williams
  
  Vernon Tava considers himself a friend of National.
  
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  November 10, 2019 8:56am
  - toby1845
    
    And Martin Williams considers himself a friend of young teenaged school girls. Your point?
    
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    November 11, 2019 7:07am
- Steve James
  
  Yes they do Rob. My friends and I will party vote ACT.
  
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  November 10, 2019 9:24am
- Hacked-Off
  
  Rob2,
  Have you not considered that even in the era of MMP, that one party might well govern alone without needing partners. Is your memory so poor as to forget that Key achieved a National Government in 2008 without the need of partners, but realized to ensure longevity of the Government he brought on board Peter Dunne and the Maori party as partners although he did not need them at the time.
  
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  November 10, 2019 9:49am
  - Steve Todd
    
    “Is your memory so poor as to forget that Key achieved a National Government in 2008 without the need of partners, […].”
    
    Incorrect, H-O.
    
    In 2008, National won 58 seats in a 122-seat House, on 44.93% of the Party Vote. Key needed ACT’s 5 seats in order to govern.
    
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    November 10, 2019 12:54pm
lifesgood

Best tweet I’ve seen all week with regards to National voting for the zero carbon bill.
” Well if all the former National voting Twitter toddlers get over their collective temper tantrums and recognise clever political manouvering we won’t have to worry about a second term labour govt”
If National hadn’t voted for it they would have to spend the whole of election year defending themselves against being called climate deniers. Don’t worry, they will change it completely once in power.
All the pouters vowing never to vote National again are the same types that gave us this appalling govt. Trying to keep National honest?What a joke.
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November 10, 2019 8:27am
- Tarquin North
  
  Try saying that over on the BFD – you’ll probably get banned for life. Bridges derangement syndrome is turning them into the Standard mark 2 at a very fast pace. They hate the truth if it doesn’t fit the narrative.
  
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  November 10, 2019 8:43am
  - lifesgood
    
    Is that Whaleoil mark 2? Slater, best Mate of Winnie. What an enormous tool he is, actually they both are.
    
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    November 10, 2019 9:32am
    - Tarquin North
      
      I think it’s a shame he has remained so bitter for so long. Not only is he Winston’s bitch, he appears to be morphing into a b grade version of him. I can see his blog going the way of the dodo fairly quickly.
      
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      November 10, 2019 12:58pm
  - Souvlaki
    
    It has actually been the Standard Mark 11 since before the last election.
    It’s ONLY redeeming feature latterly are the daily cartoons!
    
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    November 10, 2019 9:46am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    Well – BDS there, TDS here, what’s a poor boy to do 🙂
    
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    November 10, 2019 12:08pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    I no longer visit. There too full of their own self importance.
    
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    November 10, 2019 1:29pm
    - curry4me
      
      I used to comment there as curry4me. they they went subscription only. So after quite a long absence, I came here.
      
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      November 10, 2019 10:41pm
- Simon
  
  “Don’t worry, they will change it completely once in power.”
  
  la la land.
  
  So Natz are running on a platform of being completely dishonest. Natz voted for the Carbon Bill as it now stands.
  
  In a series of secret winks and hand signals Natz will communicate what parts of the Carbon Bill they just voted for they intend to dismantle.
  
  Instead of just being honest and voting against the zero carbon bill because its a bad bill.
  
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  November 10, 2019 9:40am
  - kiwiBuzz
    
    They have voted for a bill that contravenes article 2 of the Paris agreement which says that we should not do anything that will reduce agricultural productivity. Virtually all of the intentions to reduce methane emissions do just that.
    
    It also contravenes common sense – there is no point in New Zealand reducing agricultural production when the result will be an increase in world wide emissions because the lost production will be replaced by offshore production with higher emissions.
    
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    November 10, 2019 11:42am
- septic skeptic
  
  If you honestly believe that National will change it when next in power, I have a WFF scheme to sell you!
  
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  November 10, 2019 9:43am
- Ceejay
  
  For the majority of average punters it will be Labour/Greens that get the blame for the zero carbon bill, not National.
  
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  November 10, 2019 10:29am
- septic skeptic
  
  Quite correct. I forsee a massive swing from former green voters to National as a result of this cunning plan. Should be worth at least 10% gain on the next polls. Or maybe not.
  
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  November 10, 2019 12:32pm
- Paginus
  
  National never fights for or reverses anything. All they ever do is forfeit ground to the left. We are literally at tranny kids and gun confiscations and National still won’t fight.
  
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  November 10, 2019 1:41pm
oldpark

Was thinking Angry Andy Little Liebour List MP seems to make a mess and a muck up with whatever he gets paid $300,000 per year to do . His latest scheme destined for disaster after his gambit in Pike River and virtually getting run out of town in New Plymouth when he was going for an electoral seat and being called MR7% when he posed as Lie-bour Leader. Now he is threatening to reform NZs Criminal Justice system. Starting with his mad dog thinking,like perhaps “HUG a THUG”. Yes that sums up ANDY.
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November 10, 2019 8:32am
- yossarian
  
  This is MMP for you. Where you have someone who has been rejected time after time by the voting public can hold so much power.
  
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  November 10, 2019 9:20am
record guy

Looks like Mike Bush has been keeping a secret RE someone’s drink driving …. only a matter of time before the details of who, when and where all come out

The very same copper signed his forms saying no prior convictions …….
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November 10, 2019 8:39am
- sooty
  
  Ooh! I wonder who that will be?
  Do we need to read between the lines?
  
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  November 10, 2019 9:15am
  - record guy
    
    The most recent drinking issue is within the last 12 months
    
    Whoops
    
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    November 10, 2019 3:37pm
  - toby1845
    
    Perhaps a journalist could look into this. Some like mild-mannered news reporter, Clark Kent.
    
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    November 11, 2019 7:12am
    - toby1845
      
      BTW, that’s the Clark Kent who works for the Daily Planet, not his lesser-known cousin Clarke (with an ‘e’) Kent.
      
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      November 11, 2019 7:34am
Maggy Wassilieff

Pack your thermals if you are heading to the USA this week.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/09/air-siberia-temperatures-cold-texas-new-england
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November 10, 2019 8:51am
- sooty
  
  Yep, that global warming is working!
  
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  November 10, 2019 8:59am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Oh noes! It’s cold in North America heading into winter. Global warming disproved!
    
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    November 10, 2019 9:14am
  - stephieboy
    
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    sooty , indeed it is. Those in the know call it extreme weather events a hallmark of global warming!
    
    https://www.carbonbrief.org/mapped-how-climate-change-affects-extreme-weather-around-the-world
    
    Be informed for a change!
    
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    November 10, 2019 9:27am
    - rangitoto
      
      Professor Mouse agrees. Any event is proof of global warming, The alarmists have decreed that there can be no evidence against it. In the olden days it was called crackpottery but Mouse and Dumbledore have shown us the light.
      
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      November 10, 2019 11:55am
      - stephieboy
        
        rangitoto, you also must be thinking about the crackpottery of climate change deniers like Christopher Monckton and Anthony Watts, surely?
        
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        November 10, 2019 12:05pm
      - rangitoto
        
        And just what are their credentials compared to Aardvaark, Dumbledore and Mouse.
        
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        November 10, 2019 12:39pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  I see our resident morons are arguing that increased CO2 causes global warming that upsets weather patterns that cause unusually cold periods. They of course refuse to consider the work that indicates that fluctuations in the sun have major effects on the stratosphere that is causing this cooling trend.
  
  https://people.nwra.com/resumes/baldwin/pubs/Baldwin_Dunkerton.pdf
  
  https://physicsworld.com/a/physicists-claim-further-evidence-of-link-between-cosmic-rays-and-cloud-formation/
  
  However, continue to believe the Micky Mouse version if you so desire….
  
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  November 10, 2019 3:41pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Australian journalist informs us that Simon Bridges has been over in Oz sniffing out tactics for next year’s election.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/08/could-scott-morrisons-tactics-defeat-jacinda-ardern-in-the-new-zealand-election
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November 10, 2019 9:10am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  So he’s doing something right after all!
  
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  November 10, 2019 9:35am
Yvette

John Armstrong’s opinion is that Ardern in a ‘deft, yet ruthless piece of politics’ left Shane Jones and Winston Peters humiliated.

Ardern’s edict to Immigration New Zealand ordered the agency to reverse its recent tightening up of eligibility for the granting of “partnership” visas and return to the previous status quo.

In making a unilateral decision without first talking to Peters, Ardern would have technically been in breach of the “no surprises” provisions in Labour’s coalition agreement with New Zealand. Her going over the head of the deputy prime minister would have been especially galling for Peters.

Ignoring “no surprises” is the only part of this with any appeal about it.

John Armstrong suggests – Try as Jones might to appear to be performing strictly as a soloist, no-one is fooled. Everyone knows that when it comes to the Peters and Jones Show, one half of the duet chooses the song sheet, [that] Jones also doubles as the ventriloquist’s dummy.

But before anyone gets too excited about Ardern being “deft, yet ruthless”, her Immigration policy is being reversed and supposedly returning to the previous status quo.

So much for any delivery. Just more Government emissions.
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November 10, 2019 9:24am
Fletch

I listened to the news on NewsTalkZB this morning and one report was on the 30th anniversary of the coming down of the Berlin Wall. Part of the story was a soundbite from overseas that said many groups were remembering the wall, how it ‘made the people so angry that they banded together to tear down the wall’.

No mention that it was due to the efforts of then president Ronald Reagan, together with Thatcher and Pope John Paul II. Their contributions seemed to have been memory-holed – at least in the story I heard.
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November 10, 2019 9:38am
- stephieboy
  
  Fletch, not forgetting Mikhail Gorbachev who decided not to intervene as would have certainly happened say a decade prior!
  
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  November 10, 2019 11:58am
oldpark

Read a headline “Sonny” snubs big names like Ritchie McCaw and Steve Hansen . Sings praises of Kieran Read.
Sonny who???? The enigma that keeps on giving.
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November 10, 2019 9:41am
- stephieboy
  
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  oldpark , whats the hangup?
  
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  November 10, 2019 11:59am
  - oldpark
    
    Ask Sonny Who?????
    
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    November 10, 2019 12:41pm
Souvlaki

It has actually been the Standard Mark 11 since before the last election.
It’s ONLY redeeming feature latterly are the daily cartoons!
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November 10, 2019 9:46am
Komata

FWIW: I’ve just tried to learn what National’s Policies actually are and can only find those for 2014 and 2017; and that those for 2019 don’t yet seem to have been defined.

Not a good look IMHO, especially as there is an election due soon.

Which (again) begs the question:

Exactly WHAT do the Nats stand for (and in what way; if any, are they now different from Labour?)

Perhaps someone should ask Mr Bridges as the public really DO need to know…
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November 10, 2019 9:48am
- DigNap15
  
  Ive been to a couple of his meetings.
  And in his intro speeches he says National wants business to succeed and do well for all New Zealanders to get ahead.
  I believe him, I think he genuinely believes that.
  
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  November 10, 2019 12:35pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    My wife and I are going to a meeting featuring Simon in Christchurch on Friday 14th. National seem to be working hard in the background.
    
    Politics are going to get dirtier as Maori are targeting the COL’s “equality” front based on guilt and opportunity. Expect Maori to attempt to get at least equal water rights.
    
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    November 10, 2019 1:39pm
    - Jack5
      
      If you mean many Maori want racial separation -a New Zealand version of apartheid – I think you are likely right.
      
      The difficulty is that many people have both Maori genes and white genes. They, or their children or grandchildren, would want to choose which racial group they were part of.
      
      Split up water rights? Not quite as bizarre as the way we have incorporated a racial quota into NZ access to the wireless spectrum.
      
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      November 10, 2019 5:19pm
Fletch

If, like me, you have an iPhone (I have an old out-of-date iPhone 5) and are wondering how to get the NZ public holidays and anniversaries onto your calendar, what you do is go to this address on your phone –

https://www.employment.govt.nz/leave-and-holidays/public-holidays/public-holidays-and-anniversary-dates/icalendar-feeds/

You then click the link in the first paragraph that says “iCalendar Format”.

It will bring up a list of holidays. You give it a new name (like ‘Holidays’) and click OK to save etc.

Then from your Calendar app, you click on Calendars at the bottom, and you can tick the ‘Holidays’ list you just made.

Now all the holidays will show up in your calendar. I’m not sure how far forward it goes into the new year.
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November 10, 2019 10:00am
Maggie Pie

Speaking to my partners mum this morning. She was saying… “she’s about half-way through Elton John’s book ME, and can’t put it down”.
The thing she did find a bit upsetting, was Elton’s reference to her fave rock-star from the era, Rod Stewart [ma still has all of his early Albums].
Elton has devoted a chapter to his relationship with Rod, and says the only way he was able to lure Rod, was by providing him was with the drug known as poppers, the brand of which was called “Cum”.
Ma has found a link to a review of the book and emailed it thru. She promised i can borrow it next.

https://twitter.com/PinkNews/status/1193048572960428034
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November 10, 2019 10:16am
- sooty
  
  Is that why him and Rachael Hunter split?
  
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  November 10, 2019 12:39pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Even today Rod Stewart has a mean sense of humor 😀
    He was interviewed recently on TMZ where he described Elton “…as the only guy he knew with a fully Furnished backside”
    
    LOL!!
    
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    November 10, 2019 3:39pm
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND HOUSING: WHAT NEW SUPPLY LESSONS ARE BEING LEARNT FROM GREATER CHRISTCHURCH AND CANTERBURY ? …

Home ownership at lowest level in 70 years, economist says Baby Boomers to blame … Susan Edmunds … Stuff NZ

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/117270716/home-ownership-at-lowest-level-in-70-years-economist-says-baby-boomers-to-blame

… extracts …

… According to the 2018 census, only 64.5 per cent of New Zealanders own their own home, compared to nearly 74 per cent in the early 1990s.

Shamubeel Eaqub said it was driven by a lack of affordability in New Zealand.

According to the Real Estate Institute, in 2013 the median New Zealand house price was less than $400,000. Now, it’s nearly $600,000, a 50 per cent increase.

Over that same period, wages have only increased by 20 per cent. … read more via hyperlink above …
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… What ‘abundant new supply’ lessons are being learnt from Greater Christchurch and Canterbury … refer mid – October report …

… When are the (standard industry measure) ‘consents rates per 1000 population per annum’ ( extrapolated from the monthly consents rates issues by Statistics NZ ) going to be published … so that the public can see clearly why abundant new supply is so important …

Why are property prices in some suburbs stagnating? … Shabnam Dastgheib … Stuff NZ

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/latest/116327323/why-are-property-prices-in-some-suburbs-stagnating

If massive property gains are what you are after, data shows Christchurch is probably not where you want to be sinking your money. … read more via hyperlink above …
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… New Zealand currently has the worst housing affordability within the Anglosphere …

2019 15th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey

http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf

Housing Affordability Ratings … Median Multiples … All Markets

Australia 5.7
Canada 4.0
China (Hong Kong) 20.9
Ireland 3.7
New Zealand 6.5
Singapore 4.6
United Kingdom 4.8
United States 3.5
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November 10, 2019 10:16am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Note 4.15 pm Sunday a massive 500 comments to the Stuff article above.
  
  Just in case you are wondering whu ‘housing affordability’ is the Number One public policy issue in New Zealand … refer IPSOS July survey …
  
  The IPSOS New Zealand Issues Monitor – July 2019
  
  https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2019-08/6th_ipsos_new_zealand_issues_monitor_released_1_aug_19.pdf
  
  Overwhelmingly Kiwis want affordable standalone housing with a backyard …
  
  Survey finds Kiwis’ backyard dream still alive and well (Westpac Bank) … Scoop New Zealand
  
  http://business.scoop.co.nz/2019/05/28/survey-finds-kiwis-backyard-dream-still-alive-and-well/
  
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  November 10, 2019 4:22pm
softail 1450

Sunday morning laugh R18 ,,, A man was sitting on his couch throwing peanuts up and catching them in his mouth,his wife spoke to him and he turned his head and a peanut went straight into his ear.
Despite many tries they couldn’t get the peanut out and were preparing to go to the ER, their Daughter arrived with her new boyfriend and the young man said he could fix the problem,he grabbed the mans head and thrust two fingers up his nose and instructed him to blow his nose ,out popped the nut and the young pair left.
The wife said “what a lovely young man what do you think he will be when he gets older”?
The dad said “our son in law going by the smell of his fingers” LOL….
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November 10, 2019 10:16am
Captain Mainwaring

No comments since 9.10 and it’s now 10.25.
Mods at church ???
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November 10, 2019 10:24am
- stigie
  
  Hangover !~
  
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  November 10, 2019 10:25am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Do you have a problem with that Captain?
  
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  November 10, 2019 10:34am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    There is absolutely nothing wrong with being hungover at church! IMO. YMMV…
    
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    November 10, 2019 12:06pm
- Swifty
  
  Hungover.
  
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  November 10, 2019 11:26am
- Fletch
  
  The neighbors kept me awake letting off fireworks. They were still letting them off at 2.30am…. ?
  
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  November 10, 2019 5:08pm
Kabull

Well done Judith for explaining her position on the climate nonsense:
https://www.elocal.co.nz/Articles/elocal-Digital-Edition/2422
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November 10, 2019 10:27am
- stephieboy
  
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  Kabull, I wonder where she got her face and body lift from?
  
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  November 10, 2019 12:02pm
  - andydownhere
    
    What a absolutely sexist comment. Would you say that after a Grant Robertson photo? Or Kris Faafoi’s fine figure?How long do we have to put up with this moron, moderators?
    
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    November 10, 2019 9:06pm
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  Nice, Judith. e-local is famous for publishing fascist, pseudo-historical nonsense.
  
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  November 10, 2019 12:27pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Judith deals well with tech stuff.
  
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  November 10, 2019 1:45pm
Happychappy

How is the Health Minister David Clark going to lie his way out of this one as he can’t blame the previous Government for his own incompetence.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/11/damning-report-into-southland-s-maternity-hubs-prompts-renewed-call-for-rollback.html
Hamish Walker has been vindicated for his concern for those needing better Maternity services.
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November 10, 2019 10:43am
John Warren

Where are the moderators this morning? I posted at 9.12am, and at 10.47 it’s still in purgatory. DPF, you need a better system than this.
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November 10, 2019 10:47am
DigNap15

I’m torn between sending my planned $20 donation for National to David Seymour climate change or Shane Jones immigration flood.
National need to grow some cahones.
When I decide I’ll send a copy of my bank statement to National.
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November 10, 2019 11:12am
- RichardX
  
  DigNap15
  Do you have a direct link to CNN or the Washington Post.
  I am sick of your Trump bashing.
  I will give this blog a rest for a few weeks
  
  NOVEMBER 8, 2019 2:02PM
  
  That was a very short “few weeks”
  
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  November 10, 2019 12:22pm
- Prince
  
  If you want to cause National most distress you should contribute to NZ First.
  Should NZF exceed 5% they will probably be in a position to determine the Govt.
  They will certainly continue with Labour, and the current immigration flood they are presiding over will continue, regardless of the random ravings of Jones.
  
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  November 10, 2019 12:32pm
  - Stamper
    
    yes……BUT
    Winstoned will be Prime Minister – remember where you heard it first.
    
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    November 10, 2019 6:42pm
    - Bad apples
      
      What about:
      https://www.newconservative.org.nz/
      
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      November 10, 2019 8:41pm
      - curry4me
        
        They’re definitely worth a party vote. It’s either them, or ACT for me.
        
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        November 10, 2019 11:10pm
- peterwn
  
  If you are not comfortable supporting National, then support ACT. The best thing centre-right people who feel aggrieved with National over firearms control and climate change can do is support ACT. Abstaining or supporting NZF is effectively half a vote for Labour/ Greens.
  
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  November 10, 2019 12:40pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    I must admit I am still torn between voting for Nat or Act. I feel that the Nats have let us down on the guns, and I sort of understand the climate position, but would rather they stated unequivocally that the climate alarmism is bullshit, cited the science for saying so and got on with it. However, I don’t want to potentially waste a vote on Act ( if they generally poll poorly, relying solely on the Epsom seat) . I suppose I’ll make a final decision later on…. Idiots need not advise.
    
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    November 10, 2019 3:50pm
SGA

Oliver Hartwich says

For these Gen Z kids, there never was an existential threat or crisis in their lives. They grew up in peace and prosperity.

For heaven’s sake, that’s true of nearly everybody born in NZ since 1945. Sheesh.
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November 10, 2019 11:27am
- Jack5
  
  Hartwich is writing from a perspective of growing up in West Germany. He makes that clear.
  
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  November 10, 2019 12:00pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    True. They lived under the daily pressure of seeing highway signs for tanks and finding Swiss chocolate to send to their penfriends.
    
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    November 10, 2019 12:17pm
    - mark15
      
      You have a very blinkered and selective view of history.
      
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      November 10, 2019 1:20pm
  - SGA
    
    Hartwich is writing from a perspective of growing up in West Germany.
    
    So what? Gen Z (stupid name) refers to a generation throughout developed countries, doesn’t it? Most of which has generally known peace and prosperity for well over 60-70 years.
    
    I don’t think that today’s generation is that more extreme than the “flower power”, “counter culture”, “me generation”, anti-war, anti-nuke, pro sex, pro drugs, pro rock’n’roll of a few generations ago. And who were they? The Boomers – lol.
    
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    November 10, 2019 2:07pm
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  So have you forgotten “knowing” that there was going to be nuclear war? Or that acid rain was going to destroy the planet?
  
  The 70s were pretty bloody grim, strikes, power cuts, stagflation, british leyland, Munich, Baader Meinhoff, IRA bombings and Orange retaliations, Cyprus, the PLO, thebushwar in South Africa, Cuba, Rhodesia, the Jackal, Oil shocks, disco…. and the knowledge that the doomsday clock was something like 30 seconds to midnight for most of it.
  
  Kids born after the 1990s have seen pretty much constant prosperity. They literally have no idea what some of those things were.
  
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  November 10, 2019 1:01pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    How did ‘disco’ make it on to your lists of terrors facing Germans in the 1970s?
    
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    November 10, 2019 2:16pm
    - MH
      
      from that well known song by tony bennett
      ” I left my heart in some damned disco”
      
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      November 10, 2019 2:44pm
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      Well, hearing ‘Disco Duck’ was cruel and unusual punishment, but then you could turn it off if you could reach the switch. So, remarkably, I find myself agreeing with you. Truly, ’tis the End of Times.
      
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      November 10, 2019 4:50pm
  - SGA
    
    @diety
    Not so sure, about that. It’s hard to look at the first 50 years of last century, two world wars and a great depression, and not think that the second half was a period of relative peace and prosperity for many in the West.
    
    Sure it wasn’t been all calm weather and smooth sailing 1950-1999, but that’s been true this century as well (you may remember there used to be two tall buildings in NY city? And, closer to home, some deaths in Chch this year?). And none compares to what my father and grandfather lived through.
    
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    November 10, 2019 2:21pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    And the 1970s weren’t a bundle of laffs for those enduring the legacy of the Cultural Revolution in China
    or for those going through Cyclone Tracy
    or the Mississippi floods
    or California’s wildfires
    or Bangladesh’s famines
    or Somalia’s drought
    or the myriad extreme “climate events” of the early 1970s
    https://www.c3headlines.com/2015/04/those-stubborn-facts-1970s-extreme-weather-severe-disasters-scientists-predicting-climate-change-global-cooling.html
    
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    November 10, 2019 2:26pm
Hugh Pavletich

CHINA …

Look Within for China’s True Growth Threat
… Christopher Balding … Bloomberg

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-11-09/china-s-demand-threatens-global-growth-more-than-trade-war

Weakness in domestic demand is a bigger danger to the global economy than the trade war with the U.S…. read more via hyperlink above …
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November 10, 2019 12:30pm
- Dazzaman
  
  Only 10 lines worth Hugh…..what gives?
  
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  November 10, 2019 9:43pm
tranquil

Great article here – “New Zealand Climate Scientist Dr David Kear Debunks “Climate Crisis” ” –
https://truebluenz.com/new-zealand-climate-scientist-dr-david-kear-debunks-climate-crisis/
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November 10, 2019 2:56pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Pity Simon has not read it….
  
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  November 10, 2019 4:02pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Um, a dead geologist rather than a live climatologist.
  
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  November 10, 2019 4:58pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    So we just toss out Entsein as well? He is Dead, and Steven Hawking, Feynman, Rutherford, Newton, Plank, they are all very dead… But The Greta, she’s alive so we’ll just believe her, and that fraudulent fuck Mann… why, because they are alive! Moron is too a good a term to describe you.
    
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    November 10, 2019 7:09pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh thank God… it’s the Catholics to blame for Colonization..
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/11/maori-council-wants-pope-to-apologise-for-colonisation-of-new-zealand.html
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November 10, 2019 4:03pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  I’m not the Pope, but this Catholic suggest he goes and fuck himself…
  
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  November 10, 2019 4:22pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  The stupid is strong in that one.
  
  Sadly, he will be influencing Govt policy and therefore producers’ taxation expenditure for my children.
  
  What to do about him, what to do….
  
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  November 10, 2019 4:49pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Next they will be monetising it at $500mn/church worker.
  The game is afoot: the Pakeha paid out before, now we have a fresh bunch to have a go at. We’re our own tribes aren’t we? So we go on our own. Maui taught us a lot about pulling the puha over the Kiwi. Our pacific mates do it too.
  
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  November 10, 2019 5:36pm
Morrissey

You know as well as anyone that it’s a lot more complicated than your misleading statement, Maggy. There are impressionable people on this site, and you should post with that in mind.

https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2019/01/the-left-wing-argentine-junta-and-fraud.html
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November 10, 2019 4:06pm
- sooty
  
  Link whoring morris. You are as bad as hughie, trying to drum up business for your shit site!
  
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  November 10, 2019 8:27pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    What site?
    Why would anyone look for it?
    
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    November 10, 2019 9:34pm
- softail 1450
  
  Morronissey, “MMA one of the sane people on this blog”, that tells you all you need to know about morronissey’s judgement.
  
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  November 11, 2019 7:50am
MrTips

That’ll be right up Frank’s alley. After his approval and ordering of pagan worship at the recent Amazonian synod, he’ll be boots and all for this. Might even arrange a carving up of territory between Pachamama and Maui.

Or he could say sorry for helping them stop eating each other, rampant warfare and destroying the countryside. Won’t hold my breath on the latter.

As for Tuakiki, he’s got more cheek than Tame Iti.
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November 10, 2019 4:15pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Only 109 comments today? Sad. I guess all the mods went Xmas shopping or something. Maybe the missing 150+ comments will appear soon, like Hillary’s emails? Doubt it
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November 10, 2019 4:21pm
Doubledimp

Correlation or not? The record low in home ownership, and they show on Stuff article a single mother. What relationship (scuse the pun) between home ownership and separation rates / divorces? Could you need 2 incomes to buy a house?
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November 10, 2019 4:51pm
Jack5

Don’t be flattered or baffled by the number of New Zealand stories on the Guardian web site, one complete with a Maori activist flag.

Go back to the Guardian site through a VPN browser and the New Zealand stories and the Maori flag are gone.

We are real islanders when an international web site feels a need to flatter us to get our attention.
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November 10, 2019 5:09pm
Engelbert Humperdink

If you have not already seen it, this is the level of police management fatuousness that we have descended to in 2019.

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Illegal guns are remaining in the hands of organised crime as gang leaders refuse to give up their weapons.

Police have met with more than 50 gang leaders in an effort to get them to comply with firearm law changes before an amnesty ends.

But it’s proving to be fruitless, as the patched members remain “very reluctant”, Police Commissioner Mike Bush told the Justice Select Committee on Thursday.

“We have identified over 100 influential gang leaders and spoken to about half of them about how they are managing this and what their approach and attitude toward that [amnesty] is.”

After the committee meeting, Bush said communication lines with senior patched gang members had revealed they had a different approach to law abiding members of the public, in relation to the return of guns.

Police Commissioner Mike Bush and Deputy Commissioner Mike Clement told the Justice Select Committee 115 key gang members had been identified and police had met with 53, to talk about guns.

“They were very reluctant to be part of this.”

He did not think many patched gang members had handed in their guns.

No shit, Sherlock.

Where / when did you Get a Clue?

What the Actual Fuck.
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November 10, 2019 7:36pm
softail 1450

Question,,,How do you turn a beautiful tree covered mountain into a muddy scarred mess?
Answer,,,, put an unelected Maori group in charge, this was always going to happen and is only the beginning FFS.
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November 11, 2019 6:28am
softail 1450

Those trees aren’t being cut for any other reason than to rub it into Whiteys nose……that mountain will be an unfinished mess for decades to come and money will be siphoned off for overseas trips,new cars, expenses,etc etc,it will be a never ending cash cow for the chosen few…
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