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krazykiwi

~~The year of delivery~~
Two years of dithery
Two years of devilry
Two years we’ll never get back
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November 12, 2019 8:01am
krazykiwi

Universities churn out scientists. So how the hell can scientists dispassionately evaluate theories against empirical evidence when their minds are closed off to ideas that diverge from their beliefs?

The rise of Liberal Fascism: UK Students Turn Against Free Speech

Fewer than half of students consistently support freedom of speech and two fifths favour censorship and no-platforming of controversial speakers, research has shown.

A “culture of conformity” may also be having an effect on undergraduates, who are often too intimidated to espouse unpopular views on campus, according to a report by the centre-right think tank Policy Exchange.

Deep-rooted reform is needed at universities, which should establish academic freedom champions reporting directly to the vice-chancellor, it says.

Those survey charts are alarming. I suspect stats in NZ would be similar. The cartoon really does say it all.
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November 12, 2019 8:02am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  ‘Liberal Fascism’ is an oxymoron.
  
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  November 12, 2019 8:38am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Yet it exists ! More proof that real life is more interesting than your fictional view of it.
    
    Of course it does depend on what one labels as “liberalism”. For example Obama acted in a far more fascistic way than Trump, despite the efforts of the MSM to convince one otherwise.
    
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    November 12, 2019 9:06am
  - Jack5
    
    It’s just a figure of speech, ?Milky. You’re over-Milking it.
    
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    November 12, 2019 9:24am
  - alloytoo
    
    actually it’s the status quo.
    
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    November 12, 2019 9:31am
  - Crisplion
    
    It’s a pity people are so quick to down-tick you; you have a valid point, although it requires some nuance.
    
    It is true that classical liberal fascism would be an oxymoron. However, ‘liberal’ in the modern American sense of the word is quite another matter: The types who believe in violence as a means of advancing their political causes and in shutting down or banning the expression of points of view with which they disagree certainly share these characteristics with fascists, whereas these same characteristics are anathema to classical liberalism.
    
    It’s fairly clear that the headline cited by krazykiwi refers to the latter sense of ‘liberal’, so no, in this case I don’t think it’s an oxymoron to refer to ‘liberal fascists’. It might be overstating the case – and it might not – but it’s not a contradiction in terms.
    
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    November 12, 2019 9:33am
    - curry4me
      
      Jonah Goldberg wrote a book called Liberal Fascism. It’s in the Christchurch library.
      
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      November 12, 2019 7:20pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Then someone buying books for the Christchurch library is an idiot.
        
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        November 12, 2019 8:05pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Well that’s a paradox then, isn’t it?
    
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    November 12, 2019 10:03am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Only if the term “Liberal” is used correctly. Unfortunately, the people that call themselves Liberals these days are not actually Liberals. They are often closer to Fascists (Globalist instead of Nationalist but most of the other requirements apply). The term Liberal has become ironic when applied to these people.
    
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    November 12, 2019 10:14am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    I think that fascists are overt totalitarians; whereas socialists tend to be a little more covert.
    
    The former love their peaked caps, jackboots and snazzy uniforms, whereas the later go for the trenchcoats and 3:00 a.m. knocks on doors.
    
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    November 12, 2019 10:14am
  - trout
    
    I ca recommend the book:
    Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, from Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning is a book by Jonah Goldberg,
    How liberal, socialist ideals can morph into fascist power grabbing and control.
    
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    November 12, 2019 10:27am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Actual quote: “In this sense, both the Wilson and the FDR administrations were descendants – albeit distant ones – of the first fascist movement: the French Revolution.”
      The author is not of sound mind.
      
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      November 12, 2019 11:20am
- freethinker
  
  Future funding review to consider such policies as against what a University stands for so cut funding substantially and wait for the backdown or closure.
  
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  November 12, 2019 10:28am
  - curry4me
    
    Dump the ‘student loan scam’; and make tertiary education an affair between providers, students, and a bank. Allow a 10% tax deduction for 10 years to repay it. Watch the joke departments thin out.
    
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    November 12, 2019 7:22pm
mikenmildagain

Happy World Pneumonia Day!
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November 12, 2019 8:03am
- Komata
  
  MM@0803
  
  Pneumonia does NOT make you happy…
  
  (Just saying)
  
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  November 12, 2019 10:52am
Maggie Pie

This guy looks to be worth checking out 😛

‘VEGAN HEALTH COACH’

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJCs1NiU0AAXRH9?format=jpg&name=900×900
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November 12, 2019 8:12am
- Jules99
  
  Crikey
  
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  November 12, 2019 8:36am
- cut n paster
  
  You are what you eat…. looks a bit fruity to me..
  
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  November 12, 2019 8:44am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Not to mention a … ‘ginga’
    
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    November 12, 2019 9:13am
- geoff3012
  
  Pass that man a mutton pie!
  
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  November 12, 2019 9:57am
- BobbyS
  
  WTF when i was young pictures like that used to be accompanied by a $1 a day appeal
  Someone call the Red Cross OR Unicef – that…. that ……person??? needs food desperately
  
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  November 12, 2019 10:04am
- Fletch
  
  Reminds me of a story from yesterday about a TV presenter who went shirtless on a show one day, got mocked on social media, then went on some kind of diet/exercise regime. He actually looked healthier in the before pic….
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12284014
  
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  November 12, 2019 10:56am
- krazykiwi
  
  Looks like a pic from GoVeg’s salad party last weekend 🙂
  
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  November 12, 2019 11:06am
- Tony Stuart
  
  This is an oldie, but a goodie; “TV health guru” Gillian McKeith versus Nigella Lawson:
  
  https://luciebartlett.wordpress.com/2012/01/25/screw-detox-eat-cake-gillian-versus-nigella/
  
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  November 12, 2019 1:28pm
  - rockape
    
    Vegitarians just worry too much to be healthy. Worrying Kills you!
    
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    November 12, 2019 8:43pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  First time I have seen a fruit and nut bar with a beard . . .
  
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  November 12, 2019 9:52pm
Happychappy

Auckland Ports look destined for Northland move after report finds it ‘economically and environmentally unviable’. A final working group say Aucklands current port operations are no longer economically or environmentally viable, it comes after the Government is considering moving the port to Northport near Whangarei.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/content/tvnz/onenews/story/2019/11/11/ports-for-6pm.html
If this gets the go ahead it will be the largest infrastructure project in NZ history costing 10 billion dollars and if Auckland and Northport can’t reacha commercial agreement the Government should introduce new Legislation to force the move. This is Winston and Shane’s baby so don’t be surprised if the costs double when and if the have to introduce Legislation to force the move through Parliament.
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November 12, 2019 8:14am
- Tony Stuart
  
  And what’s the bet this report was leaked to media to take the focus off Peters’ court case?
  
  Praise the Lord for Tim Murphy, who is doing God’s work.
  
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  November 12, 2019 8:41am
  - sooty
    
    Father Murphy!
    
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    November 12, 2019 9:11am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      At least you knew Father Jack was pissed . . .
      
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      November 12, 2019 9:54pm
- hullkiwi
  
  Sorry, but all previous reports have shown the move is economic suicide. Ports of Auckland (,who own 40%) of Northport don’t want it, the rail line to Northland is a folly.
  
  When are we going to get honest economists and analysts who are prepared to tell these dishonest and incompotent politicians in Wellington and Auckland city to go away and try and organize a pi*a up in a brewery or to run a bath. Which historic evidence suggests they are incapable of doing.
  
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  November 12, 2019 8:46am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Thank God this ‘Government’ will be out on it’s arse before this stupid idea gets any traction.
    
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    November 12, 2019 9:08am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Right on captain…
      
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      November 12, 2019 9:17am
  - freethinker
    
    Whatever the future of the port were ever its located needs to be resolved.
    
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    November 12, 2019 10:30am
  - Ian Hawthorn
    
    I suppose we’ll get honest reports when we have a government that pays for honest reports, instead of a government that pays for reports that make their silly ideas look sensible.
    
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    November 12, 2019 10:41am
    - hullkiwi
      
      In this case the Chairman of the Commityee is a former Mayor of Whangarei.
      
      Bias, never!
      
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      November 12, 2019 6:21pm
- Ruahine
  
  A report by whom? Set up by whom?
  There is a certain politician going around say that this was going to happen long before the ‘report’ was released.
  
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  November 12, 2019 8:54am
  - sooty
    
    What’s Twit Twyford got to do with this?
    
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    November 12, 2019 9:12am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      As Minister of Transport he’s got to be involved somewhere. Imagine the stress on the single-track railway and two-lane goat track having to shift everything that comes in or out of the Port of Auckland up to Whangarei and back.
      I’d say he’s just the man for the job.
      LOL
      
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      November 12, 2019 11:53am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Not Ywitford this time. Try, Indiana Bones. The reports produced are the most appalling disingenuous load of claptrap, sponsored by one of the biggest blowhards in Parliament.
      
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      November 12, 2019 6:25pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  People don’t realise how many jobs there are owing to Auckland having a port.
  The freight forwarders will move up North and all the car importers.
  The trucking companies will move and then we have the people that support the ships. Ships agents, engineering companies, provedores, etc.
  
  It is estimated that there are the thick end of 100k jobs in Akl that depend on the port will all these people move??
  Then what about the cost of shipping all these containers, cars etc down to Akl from Whangarei?? How many containers is that?? I would estimate about 400k.
  As for exports all that come from S of Auckland will now go out of Tauranga. All No of Akl will have to travel to Whangarei.
  Another report by people who don’t know their a!@e from their elbow.
  BTW I was at sea for nearly 30 years and ended up as Master.
  
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  November 12, 2019 9:39am
  - Paulus
    
    Car importers have said that they will use Tauranga not any Northland Port.
    Plenty of room at the Mount but getting to and from Tauranga to anywhere else is a nightmare with the worse and most dangerous roads in the country.
    
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    November 12, 2019 1:34pm
- G152
  
  If it aint broke dont fix it
  
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  November 12, 2019 9:40am
- Bell-47
  
  Most worrying is the very real prospect of a wholly union run ports system. The majority of inhabitants of northland are systematic labour voters including the majority of the Maori populous in the area. The ports will be controlled by this lot and the NZ economy will depend on it. Industrial action will be frequent and lengthy. There is little replacement workforce and if there were, imagine the extreme intimidation for being a “scab”. That shithole of a place could potentially hold the whole country to ransom. The whole town is infested by deadbeat layabouts, where do they think they will get drug-fee, sober workers from?
  
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  November 12, 2019 11:28am
hullkiwi

While we are “suffering” a nice spring shower or two, spare a thought for a Tasman neighbours in Queensland & NSW and the brave people fighting the bush fires.
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November 12, 2019 8:16am
- sooty
  
  Imagine what it will be like there at the height of summer! There won’t be much left to burn!
  
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  November 12, 2019 9:14am
- G152
  
  Had they cleared away the trees from their properties , roads and towns these would be bush fires and not disasters
  
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  November 12, 2019 9:42am
  - Sacha
    
    Found this doco last night.
    Very interesting:
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6qr5qYw9_Y
    
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    November 12, 2019 10:33am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    The idiot Greens won’t let them.
    
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    November 12, 2019 10:51am
- G152
  
  If they dont want bush fires in populated areas or threatening populated areas clear the bush away from those areas.
  Or is that to simple
  
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  November 12, 2019 12:40pm
- Straight arrow
  
  SBS News, 2013. Linking NSW’s bushfires to climate change is ‘nonsense’, a leading expert says.
  SBS (Australian State broadcaster) HAS TAKEN DOWN THIS ARTICLE TODAY.
  
  Linking the bushfire disaster in NSW to climate change is “an absolute nonsense” and reducing fuel loads in the Australian bush is urgently needed, a leading scientist says. Retired Monash University researcher David Packham says global warming is a gradual process which doesn’t explain major bushfires.
  Mr Packham has previously accused “latte conservationists” of having too much influence on forest management. He says fuel loads are now the heaviest they have been since human occupation of the continent and Aboriginal methods need to be adopted. “There’s been this determination over the last 10 to 20 years to not treat our country in the same way the indigenous people treated it for 30,000 years,” Mr Packham said. “The concept has been every fire is a bad fire. “In the Australian context you need fire to keep the bush healthy and safe.”
  Mr Packham said Western Australia had successfully reduced fuel for decades and up to 20 per cent of bushland should be burned annually.
  End of quote.
  
  This article was shared on social media today, and then taken down by SBS. There have been many people stating over last few days that it is not climate change, but poor fuel load management that has increased problems this season. Love the term “latte conservationists”.
  
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  November 12, 2019 5:29pm
cmm

For people who promote diversity, the lefties a re really being divisive with there “boomers are bad” theme.

Stuff “journalists” having a sook about boomers having property but younger generations not.

Perhaps it is due to different attitudes towards money, saving, etc?

When boomers went on OEs during the 70s and early 80s they’d typically live in squats and squalid conditions shared with Aussies, South Africans and Canadians. Backpackers’ accommodation were seedy dives. They’d come home and start off with a pokey flat shared with some mates then a pokey first home which they gut and refurbish room by room and slowly build from there.

Heck, even HNZ “customers” turn their noses up at the houses boomers were prepared to live in.

More modern generations think they live in a movie: complain that economy class is not good enough. Live their OEs in high-end backpackers. When they come home they insist on a nice clean flat shared with one, or on their own, then a first home is some double-glazed wonder with fresh paint.

Then they bleat that this dream is hard to achieve.
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November 12, 2019 8:17am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  That’s a mighty nice strawman you’ve built there. Was it easy to knock over?
  
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  November 12, 2019 8:20am
  - herb1
    
    A bit close to home eh Mike
    
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    November 12, 2019 8:54am
  - cmm
    
    Of course it is a generalization. There are many modern kids who are working damn hard, and frugally but they are now the ones whinging about boomers – they are actually getting stuck in and doing something instead of playing victim.
    
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    November 12, 2019 9:23am
    - stephieboy
      
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      cmm, there is a housing shortage that baby boomers never had to contemplate.
      
      Maybe similar to their white counterparts in apartheid South Africa?
      
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      November 12, 2019 9:52am
      - cmm
        
        No housing shortage? You don’t know what you’re talking about.
        
        The whole definition of the “boomers” is that there was a “baby boom” that lead to huge wave of increases in demand as those babies grew up: schools, Plunket services, housing etc and now retirement-related services.
        
        The boomers lived their whole lives in shortages of one form or another, but their response was different. They didn’t just whine about “not fair” but instead made do with what they had.
        
        I’m not sure how you think that relates to white counterparts in South Africa but I have given up trying to understand “stephie-logic”.
        
        I suggest you stick to your area of expertise – frequenting the St Lukes food court,
        
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        November 12, 2019 10:26am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I’m not sure how you think that relates to white counterparts in South Africa but I have given up trying to understand “stephie-logic”.
        
        It doesn’t relate to anything about apartheid in South Africa.
        
        But that’s the point isn’t it Moderators?
        
        Stephieboy makes repeated attacks on individuals in KB
        (cmm – repeatedly linked to apartheid)
        (Jack5 – labelled Muslin Basher
        (Swifty & Odakyu-san & Me – called racist)
        
        But he seems to the main person on this blog posting
        racist tropes.
        
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        November 12, 2019 10:38am
      - Swifty
        
        Thanks Maggy.
        
        I notice too that he (at least with me) never substantiates his labelling me as racist and when challenged to do so he then runs for the hills, waits a few days and then does it all again. Rinse and repeat. Rinse and Repeat. Day after day after day.
        
        Really MODS, why he’s allowed to get away with this is beyond me. The guy adds nothing to this blog except pissing off a whole lot of genuine contributors here.
        
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        November 12, 2019 11:33am
      - Bell-47
        
        What a load of twat. Many “boomers” built their own houses. Also, seems you have forgotten about the 20% interest rates they endured for many years. Yeah, boomers had it so good..Honestly, sometimes I think you comment just to create controversy or wind people up.
        
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        November 12, 2019 11:34am
      - Mummy
        
        Um can’t remember a shortage of houses to buy but definitely remember the non existence of whiteware appliances in the shops in the early 70s. I only had to wait about 9 months to buy a washing machine and that was because I belonged to the PSIS and got one through them.
        
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        November 12, 2019 12:15pm
      - chaos
        
        From what I read that the mods said last time his next ban has to come from the blog owner, so chances are he doesn’t give a stuff about what the little creeps says
        
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        November 12, 2019 12:33pm
      - david
        
        Cobblers. In the 1970’s, houses were in such short supply that if you weren’t the first one into an open home you could forget it.
        Also what ccm said at 08:17.
        The latest lot don’t know about negative equity, 25% interest rates, 2 nd and third mortgages, borrowing from Solicitors Trust Accounts scrounging second hand building materials from other people’s refurbs and demolitions etc etc.
        
        There have always been many steps on the property ladder, it only depends on how far and how fast you are willing to climb and what you are prepared to sacrifice in the process.
        
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        November 12, 2019 2:45pm
  - BobbyS
    
    Why is it a Strawman argument?
    “an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent’s real argument”
    CMM represented the argument SOME lefties and snowflakes use to argue that Boomers are selfish and bad
    CMM is representing an accurate factual account of the key differences between the attitudes of some Gen Xers & Boomers
    Ppl who throw the “strawman” argument around sometimes do so because they don’t like the facts supporting the narrative against their opinion
    Debate the topic – don’t throw in the deflecting strawman statement – defend the Opposition or counter argue it
    
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    November 12, 2019 9:59am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Well stated BobbyS
      
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      November 12, 2019 10:02pm
- Tricati
  
  Well said CMM – And I await the day these moaners have to pay 23% interest on their mortgages and then see how hard it was to get a house. It was not all a bed of roses.
  
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  November 12, 2019 8:26am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Tricati, or take out a $300,000 Morgage?
    
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    November 12, 2019 9:18am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    High mortgage rates are a huge boon and set up young adults of 70’s and 80’s for life. They hold house prices down to ~3x incomes, and go hand-in-hand with high inflation so that within a couple of years the real cost of the mortgage was inflated away to a relative pittance as house values and incomes sky-rocketed.
    
    Compare and contrast with 30 year 4% mortgages in low inflation times with house prices 10-20x incomes – the real cost of those mortgages remains cripplingly high for decades.
    
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    November 12, 2019 10:04am
  - Paginus
    
    Ok boomer, try saving money at 2.6% when house prices have increased 50% in six years. While wages stagnant because our generation has to compete against a never ending line of cheap third world immigrants.
    
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    November 12, 2019 11:02am
  - Ian Boag
    
    20-odd % interest rates lasted for only a year or so. At the time inflation was running in the mid to high teens … A different world.
    
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    November 12, 2019 12:50pm
  - Paulus
    
    In mid 1970 the Maximum mortgage allowed by the Banks was $15,000 – any more you went to the Lawyers for a second expensive mortgage.
    
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    November 12, 2019 1:37pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Yessssss, but …. in all fairness many younger people today start off their professional (and accommodation seeking) lives with a huge level of student debt.
  When I left tertiary training and started work, my paycheque, although somewhat meagre, went further as I was debt free. I could actually save money each week.
  My parents paid very little, if anything, for my education and neither did I. Although taxes were paid – of course.
  
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  November 12, 2019 8:29am
  - igm
    
    Sick of hearing bleating and whinging of lazy academics. My grandson is 19, an apprentice, now looking at his first home. He has not travelled, rarely drinks, and works every hour he can. Our son, did the same and has a few houses; my wife and I did the similar and are very comfortable.
    Too many self-entitled wasters out there that think everyone owes them a living and all the extras for no input.
    Wake up wokes, millennials, et al, get off your arses, give up the lattes, booze, and smokes . . . work and save!
    
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    November 12, 2019 8:50am
    - stephieboy
      
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      igm, the answer is come forth with practical solutions for the housing affordability crises as yet alluding successive governments it seems.
      
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      November 12, 2019 9:20am
      - Libertarians are right
        
        Meaningful RMA reforms.
        Unfortunately, there are only two parties that actually care about that and they were never in the position to push it through (because of Mike Sabin).
        All the blame and anger can and should be pointed at Labour, the Greens, Winston, the Maori party and Dunne – oh, and Sabin of course.
        
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        November 12, 2019 10:20am
      - freethinker
        
        Stop immigration of those who will not integrate would be a good start followed by reviewing the dead hand of unnecessary bureaucracy and cultural shit (Kooha) from our local natives and the problem will start to resolve itself by those who get stuck in and do something about building/renovating accommodation for themselves.
        
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        November 12, 2019 10:39am
      - igm
        
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        November 12, 2019 11:53am
      - chuk
        
        Does anyone understand Stephie’s comment? I usually just downtick and carry on. Now I’ve stopped to read one and have quickly regretted doing so. What a waste of oxygen (s)he is.
        
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        November 12, 2019 1:56pm
    - Sacha
      
      I had a big talk to a young friend as he was entering his first year at university.
      I asked him to consider very carefully the implications of getting a student loan. He listened carefully and seemed to agree.
      But at the end of his first year he owed $20k. He finished his 3rd year, and his father tells me he owed more than 50k. He has not travelled. He has worked most weekends and holidays except for a month off over Christmas. He doesn’t have a car, and lives at home.
      Easy come, easy go.
      
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      November 12, 2019 10:48am
    - Paginus
      
      Millennials already have given up the booze and cigarette’s. Boomers still haven’t.
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12252880
      
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      November 12, 2019 11:53am
  - cmm
    
    Huge levels of debt? Why?
    
    I keep on hearing about these students who end a three year degree owing somewhere up around $80-100k. What did they do to spend that much?
    
    Sounds like they lived pretty flash, had cars, flash clothing, partied up and did nothing to lived the US college movie.
    
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    November 12, 2019 9:21am
    - spryte
      
      Rough numbers for my daughter (as far as I can remember):
      4yrs x annual study fees = $32k
      1yr x halls = $16k
      3yrs x 40 weeks minimum flatting costs ($312/week) = $37k
      (flatting costs made up of rent ($145/wk for 52 weeks!, not 40), food ($70/wk), electricity/internet ($20/week), diesel ($5/wk), insurance for contents and car ($15/wk), flights ($15/wk for 1 trip down/back and 1 trip mid-year))
      Total $85k minimum
      Income from 400 hrs work each summer @ $18/hour = $17k after tax.
      Now $8k first year free fees
      Net $60k for a 4 year degree
      (less savings, scholarships, parents, ???)
      
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      November 12, 2019 11:37am
      - david
        
        Presumably these numbers relate to a degree with above average earnings potential rather than the 3 year coast to a communications parchment. Hope she gets the payback.
        
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        November 12, 2019 2:51pm
  - oldpark
    
    Yes of course. The days of mortgages farmed out at 22-23% and tax rate at 66% those were the days. As for snotty nose early 20s wee brats masquerading as MPs getting $200,000 per year for bad mouthing anyone with more common sense and intelligence, that sums up the snotty nose wee brat known as Chloe.
    That should be the real news . Not poor hard done by millennials wallowing in self inflicted financial distress and self pity.
    
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    November 12, 2019 9:52am
- artemisia
  
  Wealth is mostly about age, and also who the parents were / are of older generations. That would be those parents who lived very differently, raising their families on ‘a stitch in time’, ‘look after the pennies ….’ and ‘make do and mend’.
  
  Oxfam’s wealth reports regularly get smacked because they omit to mention that new ivy league uni graduates are among the poorest in the world.
  
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  November 12, 2019 8:35am
- hullkiwi
  
  I’ve just read the article in stuff by the researcher. Sorry, but the article as written is b******t, which says the standard of research will be no different.
  
  In summary, the article says us boomers are older and have saved and invested, which the younger generation have not done. There is also a heavy inference that us boomers are not sharing our wealth with our children and grand children.
  
  Maybe the lady might want to put her bias in the draw for a moment, stop looking at tables of statistics and go out and sample generations of families to find out what really happens.
  
  Because I can assure the stupid lady that you can’t take your wealth with you when you depart the world of the living….
  
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  November 12, 2019 8:36am
  - Than
    
    Agreed, it’s bullshit. The situation here is not complicated – if you put aside money each year (whether a little or a lot), older people will have put aside more money than younger people. Not rocket science.
    
    Let’s do some very rough back-of-the-envelope numbers, using the article’s figures, and assuming people start accumulating wealth after they’re 20 years old.
    
    The 24-45 cohort, taking the mid-point of 35 years, has been saving for 15 years. Given their total wealth is $197b, that means they have been accumulating on average around $13b per year.
    
    The 45-55 cohort, again take the mid-point of 50, has been saving for 30 years. Total wealth $300b, means they have been accumulating on average $10b per year. (One could speculate that the expense of raising a family brings down the average for this group. The younger cohort may have paid for a few years raising a child or two, but this group will likely have paid most or all of the full lifetime cost of their kids.)
    
    Lastly we have the 55-74 cohort. Mid-point 65 years old, saving for 45 years, total wealth $744b, meaning an average of $16b accumulated per year. Slightly higher than for the younger cohorts, but not as big a difference as the article tries to portray it.
    
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    November 12, 2019 10:27am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Than, your quick calculations prove my point perfectly. As we say the lady’s research and the article are yo put ig politely rubbish.
      
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      November 12, 2019 12:54pm
- Jules99
  
  Jordan Peterson explains to his uni students that the reason they don’t own a home and have a nice car is because they are YOUNG. He makes a good point, I was 30 before I owned a little flat and 40 before I owned a house. Now I live mortgage free, but when I was young it was a struggle.
  
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  November 12, 2019 8:39am
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    I wonder if Jordan Petersen ever had to contemplate paying off a sizable $500,000 plus mortgage?
    
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    November 12, 2019 9:22am
    - freethinker
      
      Just relative to income.
      
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      November 12, 2019 10:41am
    - Sacha
      
      Probably not.
      He has enough brains to cut his coat according to his cloth. And it’s likely that his parents set him a good example –
      
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      November 12, 2019 10:52am
      - stephieboy
        
        Sacha , Dad and mumsy paying for it?
        
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        November 12, 2019 2:00pm
  - Inandout
    
    Struggling while young ‘maketh the man’ so to speak. We had to live from pay to pay but we made it and now can enjoy the fruits of our labours.
    
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    November 12, 2019 10:55am
- Tony Stuart
  
  My then-wife and I built our first home in 1982; a 1000 sqft Craigwin home, which became the cheapest home in a reasonable street.
  
  To build it, we used our savings, and a mortgage from the Housing Corporation at 18%, which we just qualified for on our combined earnings. That left us $12,000 short, which doesn’t sound like a lot, but was in reality about 15% of the total cost. The Craigwin bloke put us in touch with an insurance company who loaned us the $12k on second mortgage at 22%, on the proviso that we took out double the value in life cover.
  
  Our house was as basic as you could want; no carpet, no garage, no driveway, but fortunately the section was pretty much fully fenced. We added things as we could afford it, and children were out of the question until we had paid off the second mortgage, which took five years (and we immediately cancelled the life insurance!). But we were in exactly the same position as most of our friends, and we made the best of it. Certainly no one in our circle moved into a 200 sq m first home with internal access garage and an ensuite.
  
  That was the reality a generation ago. Had mortgage rates been at where they are now, we would have thought we were on the pig’s back! Today, my daughter and her husband already own a town house in Christchurch; now they are building a new home, and they’ll keep the town house as an investment property, taking advantage of the low cost of borrowing. I can only wish them well.
  
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  November 12, 2019 9:15am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Reality now is bureaucracy have destroyed this approach: You are not allowed to build a house that is not completed to a high standard including painting and flooring and even landscaping FFS – and no council code of compliance = no bank mortgage – you end up paying 2x interest to a second tier lender. And you are paying $50-100k for all the council building compliance bullshit (other compliance bullshit over materials and work practices adds far more).
    
    Regulations mean it costs $2-3000/m² to build, and that is on top of the jacked up land prices from council regulatory imposts. To do small piecemeal improvements and renovations is also ruinously expensive – adding a room can easily cost $50-100k (compliance costs jack cost up massively), re-doing a kitchen or bathroom $10-$30k, so with current low interest rates it is cheaper to do it right from the start rather than putting it off till later.
    
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    November 12, 2019 10:16am
    - IC5000
      
      > Regulations mean it costs $2-3000/m² to build, and that is on top of the jacked up land prices from council regulatory imposts
      
      God you talk some rubbish. Look at the differential between the same building materials in NZ and Australia.
      
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      November 12, 2019 3:15pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        difference in materials cost is in large part due to a regulatory restrictions on importation of equivalent materials. Hideously expensive to get competing products BRANZ certified – so not allowed to use them in buildings so existing players have quasi monopolies. It’s a non-tariff barrier.
        
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        November 12, 2019 8:36pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    And on Saturday the whole street descended on your house to help dig your driveway as soon as you could afford the concrete.
    Then next weekend you turned up with your shovel at someone else’s house.
    No one had two beans to rub together but they were great times.
    
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    November 12, 2019 10:33am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Yes Shaun, I can remember my dad and neighbours building a right of way that way. The right of way served ours and 3 other properties in deepest Mt Roskill. The neighbours called im involved more than just the immediate neighbours and meant our dads were kept busy for ages.
      
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      November 12, 2019 2:25pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Can’t use on site concrete mixers for construction work anymore as has to have compliance testing to ensure it is of sufficient strength. Readimix companies very pleased.
      
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      November 12, 2019 8:39pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    “There were a hundred and fifty of us living in t’ shoebox in t’ middle o’ road”
    “And you try and tell the young people of today that … they won’t believe you”
    
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    November 12, 2019 10:36am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      I’m not saying “We were poor, but we were ‘appy” mikenmild, but the fact that we qualified for a Housing Corporation mortgage in the first place is certainly a strong indication that we weren’t rich.
      
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      November 12, 2019 1:32pm
  - Inandout
    
    Yes Tony I got my second mortgage the same way, from a lawyer who arranged the life insurance, despite Muldoon’s draconian interest rate freeze. Later at one stage my first mortgage reached 23% interest and I admit it was a struggle.
    
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    November 12, 2019 11:00am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Well done cmm. You just described my wife and myself and all our friends to a T. Did exactly that.
  
  Started off in a 2 bed flat then traded up as finances allowed.
  
  These days they expect 4 beds 2,5 bathrooms etc etc as a starter.
  
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  November 12, 2019 9:46am
  - sooty
    
    Don’t forget the flash car, he will have the company car of course, the two 60″ tvs, flash BBQ, push bike, smashed avro and lattas aswell.
    
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    November 12, 2019 10:58am
    - cmm
      
      And of course fifty thousand dollar weddings and expensive “gender reveals” when they finally sprog.
      
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      November 12, 2019 1:43pm
- pb
  
  Whats with the “ok boomers” bullshit. Seem like cancel culture communists who want to shut down speech. Just a troll.
  
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  November 12, 2019 10:16am
- MCos
  
  There are cheapish houses around Auckland, but that’s only part of the story. You might have to spend a lot of time & money getting you and your kids to work/school every day.
  The component of the property that makes it expensive isn’t the building, but the land. And then that inflates the price of nearby houses on smaller pieces of land.
  Consequently.
  It’s very hard for a family mum, dad and one kid, to buy a house.
  
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  November 12, 2019 10:53am
  - cmm
    
    It is a matter of priorities. Do you want to get on the property ladder or do you want to make excuses?
    
    Whining about what boomers might have had is pointless. You are here, in 2019. That’s reality.
    
    Perhaps boomers didn’t have as much congestion to deal with etc, but they didn’t have opportunities and resources such as the internet either. Bottom line though is that bitching about things you don’t have gets you nowhere.
    
    A couple renting cheaply can easily save quite a lot of money if they put their minds to it and make it a priority. Skip the coffees, the mobile phone upgrades, movies etc. No credit card. No new bikes, cars and other toys. Save, save, save.
    
    But nope, most people don’t want make those compromises. They want everything. Now.
    
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    November 12, 2019 1:56pm
- IC5000
  
  Ok boomer
  
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  November 12, 2019 2:14pm
peterwn

Another second strike ‘manifestly unjust’ situation.
Mr Lothian convicted of a brutal murder, had a ‘strike’ for a rather serious assault, hence faced LWOP.
See:
https://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/cases/r-v-lothian-and-webby/@@images/fileDecision?r=534.840571172

The judge invoked ‘manifestly unjust’ because the relatively young age meant the offender would spend 50 or so years in prison, and because the first strike crime was not ‘more serious violent offending’. The judge did not mention David Garrett’s third reading speech but presumably in his mind this case would not quite fall in the category of the ‘worst’.
This does seem to me to be the most feckless reasons given to invoke ‘manifestly unjust’ to date. Unless the ‘three strikes’ law is tightened in this regard (extremely unlikely), it seems extremely unlikely that the judiciary will ever hand down a LWOP sentence.
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November 12, 2019 8:20am
Simon

Winston Peters eh? Is Winston broken or is the system broken? A system that tolerates a thief like Peters must be broken.
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November 12, 2019 8:21am
Yvette

Hannah Tamaki’s party Vision NZ has promised to ban the construction of new “mosques, temples and other foreign buildings of worship”, if elected.
“They are not us and we are not them,” Tamaki said on Monday, promising no “back-room” or “behind closed door deals” with “any migrant community, including the Chinese”.

In a New Zealand Election, can any political party actually offer a policy that appears to be racist? (– or whatever the appropriate word is for “religious intolerance” or “denial of religious rights”)

Who controls this and at what point should any agency, such as the Electoral Commission or Human Rights Commission, act to confirm or not that Election promises or policy is appropriate?
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November 12, 2019 8:27am
- Tarquin North
  
  Don’t know about the rest of them but we don’t need anymore mosques. Forget about Hannah, empty vessels make the most noise.
  
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  November 12, 2019 8:37am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The voters decide what is acceptable not other bureaucrats. Islam and Christianity are incompatible. That’s not racist.
  
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  November 12, 2019 9:24am
  - IC5000
    
    O’Brian. Sounds like a Catholic name.
    
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    November 12, 2019 4:06pm
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Well Hannah has done so and unsurprisingly a number of KB’s alt-righters are attracted to her neo Facist party.
  
  Yourself?
  
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  November 12, 2019 9:27am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    I will continue to seek the demolition of the COL.
    ☑️☑️
    
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    November 12, 2019 11:54am
- BobbyS
  
  Do we really need a Meng Foon OR Susan Devoy to tell us all that the Tamaki’s have no place in NZ society with their attitude?
  
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  November 12, 2019 10:03am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    The Tamaki’s have a place. They serve as a useful lesson to the rest of us in manipulation of thickos by predatory cult-leaders. We are all free to ignore them just as with all other breeds of twats that make up our ‘diverse’ society.
    
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    November 12, 2019 10:19am
  - Sacha
    
    They can say what they like.
    I have the feeling that more and more people are keeping their opinions to themselves and can’t be bothered discussing arrant nonsense from so-called public figures.
    If Foon et al think they are persons of influence let them, but few will take any notice.
    
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    November 12, 2019 10:57am
  - DigNap15
    
    Do we really need people like Susan Devoy and Meng Foon.
    The Tamakis are standing up for Christianity and our New Zealand way of life.
    
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    November 12, 2019 10:59am
  - Jack5
    
    I’m no fan of Destiny Church, but they’re allowed an opinion on Islam, which is proselytising in this country while Christianity is persecuted in some Islamic countries, and shut out completely from Saudi Arabia.
    
    Saudi Arabia is financing the construction of mosques throughout the West. It’s fair enough, then, to question the policy of building mosques in New Zealand.
    
    I’m not sure why BobbyS brings Dame Devoid and Meng Foon into the discussion. Their job role was and is to investigate racial discrimination in NZ, though they have sought to widen it to broad society matters, including immigration policy.
    
    Perhaps they have been schooled by Joris de Bres, the former race relations commissioner, who is an internationally known Marxist intellectual.
    
    De Bres translated Herbert Marcuse, of the Frankfurt School. Marcuse, who was described in a Leftist publication, The Nation, as having “.. brought a forceful clarity to the leftist table; a classical Marxism willing to confront new realities.”
    
    The Race Relations Commissioners now work under a Chief Human Rights Commissioner who is an English former Corbynist.
    
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    November 12, 2019 11:17am
Happychappy

It looks like Winston is reverting to lie his way into creating votes for himself and his his party leading up to the next Election. Another lie from Winston as he keeps repeating he is the one that looks after the farmer but is caught out in Penalizing them over the climate change bill when Minister James Shaw considered taking the controversial Methane Target out of the zero carbon bill and allowing it to be set by a commission to get Natioal on board Winston Peter’s would support such a move.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/117328000/nz-first-kept-methane-target-from-exiting-zero-carbon-bill.
It looks like Winston talk is all bullshit and more about trying to discredit National than help the farmers.
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November 12, 2019 8:29am
Wangas Feral

Feral daughter and her boyfriend have brought a house in Auckland. 21 and 26 years old. It is there if you want it bad enough.
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November 12, 2019 8:32am
- rangitoto
  
  Don’t let the CoL know. They will be wanting to tax everyone a lot more if they hear about average folk getting ahead.
  
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  November 12, 2019 3:33pm
Tarquin North

I made the mistake of turning the t.v on last night, what happened to Fair Go? It has turned in to a sugar coated woke joke that fixes nothing. Apart from that, why are they bombarding us with hideous Christmas ads so early? No wonder free to air t.v is going down the gurgler even faster than Winston’s reputation. Rant over.
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November 12, 2019 8:33am
- Jules99
  
  I can only assume that the world is such a lovely place now that all they can find to report is straws on milk packets delivered free to schools by Fonterra. A bigger story might have been that the milk is highly processed and lower in nutrition than fresh milk.
  
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  November 12, 2019 8:43am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Fresh, unpasteurised milk FTW (and for Salmonella, Listeria, Campylobacter, etc).
    
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    November 12, 2019 10:59am
    - andydownhere
      
      You are such a negative lefty jerk. Fresh milk sales are tested constantly for those bacteria. At huge cost to line more government pockets, so farmers can try and make a dollar out of farming, Labour has always been anti-farmers, but throw in NZ First(yes you Winston, you turncoat), and the loopy Greens with them, it will get impossible to farm. Say hello to $25 lettuces Wellington
      
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      November 13, 2019 12:09am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Gawd yes – Fair Go is sooo pathetic!
  My partner reckons theyre shit scared these days of upsetting someone.
  
  Plus, they should no better:
  “Never work with animals or kids”. [W C Fields]
  
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  November 12, 2019 9:02am
- Straight arrow
  
  I rarely watch Fair Go, but watched last night. First story: Maori not in lifts. For 4 percent of population the taxpayer will be paying to update all state-owned lifts. This girl has just cost taxpayers possibly hundreds of thousands, but at least her voice will be on the recording.
  Second story: Plastic straws on FREE milk from Fonterra. Kid says they could end up in waterways. How? Put it in pack, and put in rubbish, OR Fonterra should have said no milk for your school.
  Story three: Not enough Black Fern supporter sizes. Maybe a story, but suspect not enough potential customers to support a run at her size.
  Story four: Double packs of some Griffin’s biscuits not really double the single packs. Valid story.
  
  Fair Go has lost the plot – it is less and less about consumers with issues.
  
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  November 12, 2019 9:10am
- Prince
  
  Given the ‘let’s do this’ Jacindamania in 2017, I wondered if the 9 year old on Fair Go will be Labour’s leader next year, 2 weeks out from the election. The fawning drivel from the hosts was truly vomit-inducing.
  
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  November 12, 2019 10:11am
- Sacha
  
  I hope you learn from your mistakes TQ!
  
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  November 12, 2019 10:59am
- NoCash
  
  Now a days the TV is only good for watching reruns of Two And A Half Men and Friends.
  
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  November 12, 2019 12:56pm
chaos

Seriously some may be visiting from pop ups and adverts? Do govt computers not even have a basic ad block? Well I guessing something was popping up, just not on the computer. Oh well, maybe next time labour publish something too early online they can blame pop up.

* The Prime Minister has made her expectations for public servants clear after it was revealed multiple Government departments have blocked staff accessing pornography.

Documents obtained by Newshub under the Official Information Act reveal staff at several ministries had their access to explicit material blocked hundreds of times.

This included civil servants at the Ministry of Māori Development and the Department of Conservation. However, some ministries say it isn’t always clear whether the searches are deliberate or if people are being referred to the sites via pop-ups or adverts.

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern told The AM Show on Tuesday that civil servants need to follow the guidelines of their workplace.*

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/11/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-makes-her-expectations-clear-on-civil-servants-accessing-porn.html
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November 12, 2019 8:38am
- Jules99
  
  As with the schools issue, seems to me the system is working if they are being blocked. Great.
  
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  November 12, 2019 8:45am
  - chaos
    
    No it shows if these are from pop ups and adverts there systems are crap
    
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    November 12, 2019 10:52am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    But why are they wasting so much work time trying to access these sites?
    Have they forgotten that they are OUR employees?
    
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    November 12, 2019 11:00am
    - chaos
      
      It’s the well-being part labour brought into the job?
      
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      November 12, 2019 1:47pm
- cut n paster
  
  France takes it to another level..
  French Govt Official Charged with Drugging over 200 Women to Watch Them Urinate.
  From 2009 to 2018 and there were complaints but no action taken against official.
  Sounds like the PTPM is trying this approach with her own inhouse deviant.
  
  LINK: https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/11/10/french-govt-official-charged-with-drugging-over-200-women-to-watch-them-urinate/
  
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  November 12, 2019 8:57am
  - IC5000
    
    Must be a Trump supporter trying to relive the antics of his idol
    
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    November 12, 2019 2:15pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Reeeeeeeeee
      
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      November 12, 2019 3:58pm
- stephieboy
  
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  chaos, leading by personal example?
  
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  November 12, 2019 9:43am
  - chaos
    
    You making another personal attack
    
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    November 12, 2019 10:49am
  - chaos
    
    Oh and btw creep that posts about young Muslim girls I do lead by example. I have all browsers on our computers set to strict tracking protection, ublock origin, privacy badger, so that I don’t get any pop ups or ads that take me to the sort of sites you frequent.
    
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    November 12, 2019 6:49pm
- BobbyS
  
  Did you note the research found ONE PERSON was accessing a white supremacy website and they ensured they mentioned this multiple times
  
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  November 12, 2019 10:09am
  - DigNap15
    
    What was the name of the site?
    
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    November 12, 2019 11:01am
    - chaos
      
      http://Www.shanejones.com
      
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      November 12, 2019 1:46pm
- mark15
  
  Get Shane Jones on the case!
  
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  November 12, 2019 12:02pm
Maggie Pie

I watched the wonderful Peta Credlin interview on Sky. It was about ABC’s Amy Robach being caught on ‘hot mike’ exposing her networks decision to strategically spike the bombshell investigation into pedophile financier and fried to the rich & famous, Jeffery Epstein. They were ready to expose what was going on THREE YEARS AGO!
That was, ‘…until the heat came on from above’ 🙁

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lfwkTsJGYA
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November 12, 2019 8:52am
- chaos
  
  Been some rather good articles about her recently that she is just as bad as ABC and protected a pedophile by sitting on the story and not releasing it herself.
  
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  November 12, 2019 9:11am
- stephieboy
  
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  Maggie Pie, this contribution says it all about these baseless Epstein conspiracy theories and claims,
  
  K!ng Knowledge
  2 days ago
  Alex Jones Was Right About The Elites Having Sex With Children At Jeffrey Epstein Island
  
  Sigh!
  
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  November 12, 2019 9:48am
  - chaos
    
    How the fuck is a reporter talking about a story she had that is factual, it’s not a conspiracy theory, just you for some reason keep trying to defend one of the worst pedophiles in history, I wonder why. No I dont wonder we have all seen your disgusting posts on young Muslim girls
    
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    November 12, 2019 10:48am
- pb
  
  The dying media are full-court trying to shut down the Epstein story. Media, Hollywood and lefty apologists worldwide are colluding to protect a pedophile network. The owners are complicit. The upside world is here.
  
  Meanwhile, a full-blown Soviet-style show trial is about to start in the House against Trump.
  
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  November 12, 2019 10:31am
  - MCos
    
    The trial takes place in the senate
    
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    November 12, 2019 12:49pm
Straight arrow

“Save The Trees on Owairaka/Mount Albert” is an online petition to prevent the removal of 345 mature, exotic trees. The organiser, Samar Ocean Wolf Ciprian, goes woke, using Maori terms, such as Aotearoa and [her capitalization of] maunga (which is just a Maori word for mountain). If she was truly aware of cultural significances, she would not be challenging the local tribes’ indigenous guardianship of this land. I note that the media is using “maunga”, rather than English language words such as “hill” or “mountain”.

She further writes:
“Owairaka is a Maunga, and absolutely holds profound cultural significance [for some people]. She is also for all intents and purposes a living forest [actually, the trees are a living forest]. Aoteoroa [trying to appear non-racist] has granted personhood to mountains and rivers [but not this one]. It is part of the greatness of this land and its indigenous [racist much?] people to recognize sentient [“sentient” means capable of thinking and reasoning: so a forest “reasons”?] life. The airlifting of the corpses [emotive] of many trees killed [emotive] en masse is not the best we can do to honor (NZ English is “honour”) these deep values.”
“Allow the ancient [they are not “ancient”, a couple hundred years old maybe] Eucalpyts to help the baby natives grow.”

In my opinion, she is attempting to justify the retaining of these trees using (mainly) Maori cultural reasons, which is woke gone mad, and insulting to local Maori. She also uses the “global warming” [it’s “climate change” or “climate emergency” nowadays] argument. Her arguments about using the existing trees to provide shelter for the new natives is sound – she should of stopped there. I would not clear fell the trees myself. but add new natives.
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November 12, 2019 8:57am
- cut n paster
  
  She is a Moon Bat, a quick Google search and confirmed.
  The trees should be left IMHO.
  If she’s organising this protest…… I can hear the chainsaws warming up, running on woke tears.
  
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  November 12, 2019 9:22am
- sooty
  
  Her problem is she should use english, so people can understand what she’s going on about!
  Then people might want to back her to stop cutting down trees.
  
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  November 12, 2019 9:24am
- alloytoo
  
  Perhaps routine maintenance to enjoy that no new exotics grow, allow the natives to gradually take over the forest.
  
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  November 12, 2019 10:31am
  - Jack5
    
    What is wrong with exotic trees? In Christchurch we can enjoy a drive in spring through blossom-tree lined avenues, and our Botanic Gardens contain interesting trees from around the world.
    
    Of course native forests should be protected, but has this become fanaticism?
    
    Is there any other country in the world running such a bizarre nationalist policy on trees? Meanwhilen, we are happy to plant big areas in Californian Pinus radiata, and have vast farmlands planted in exotic grasses.
    
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    November 12, 2019 11:28am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    routine maintenance
    
    Precisely.
    Auckland has been aware that it has a major exotic tree pest problem since at least the 1980s when Alan Esler was documenting the role of weeds in Auckland’s ecosystems.
    
    I’m happy to support the removal of Lilly pilly, Canary Is Date Palm, flowering Cherry, Tree Privet and wattle species from Auckland’s Reserves in a staggered manner.
    
    But wholesale clearance of mature exotics will probably turn out to be a boon for incoming weed propagules….Without decent, on-going maintenance may replanted sites turn into a thicket of exotic climbers and shrubs and saplings of poor form.
    
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    November 12, 2019 11:57am
    - david
      
      Definition of a weed:
      Any plant growing where you don’t want it to grow.
      No if’s, no buts, no maybes.
      
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      November 12, 2019 3:10pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  If the exotics are agressive and damaging to other plants, like Monterey pines, then sure. Go ahead and gradually replace them.
  
  However, I am against the removal of “nice” trees on political grounds of what they symbolize. (Those colonialist oaks must go!)
  
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  November 12, 2019 11:13am
- cmm
  
  Give trees the vote!
  
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  November 12, 2019 12:10pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Prince Charles would agree with you cmm!
    
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    November 12, 2019 1:37pm
Ruahine

Peta Credlin is indeed wonderful. She has incredible diction and delivery. A highly intelligent person as well. Sigh.
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November 12, 2019 9:02am
Bobba Fret

Well this is a self entitled prick.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12283150
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November 12, 2019 9:22am
- Straight arrow
  
  Train manager should have kicked him off.
  
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  November 12, 2019 10:32am
  - sooty
    
    Tazered his arse!
    
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    November 12, 2019 11:03am
- cut n paster
  
  Why wasn’t the cyclist given the bash and chucked off the train (with flat tyres)?
  The train manager needs to :-
  -Be backed by their own management so in these situations so they are confident to act resolutely.
  -Re-located to a ticketing booth and retrained – for being not fit for the role.
  
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  November 12, 2019 11:12am
- Nermal
  
  His face shouldn’t be blurred so we can all see who the selfish prick is, and treat him accordingly. He doesn’t deserve anonymity
  
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  November 12, 2019 12:42pm
lastmanstanding

If as appears likely Winston has his arse handed to him by the Courts can Parliament ( the Nats) take any action against him.

I would have thought that his behaviour as regards the case has been such that he has bought the House into disrepute by dint of him being a Member.
Or does Parliament not have a code of conduct like most organisations.

Then again given the behaviour by the (cough) Members any Code would have to be very loose otherwise most of them would be sanctioned on a regular basis.
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November 12, 2019 9:40am
- Prince
  
  Parliament, under Mallard, has become an irrelevant farce.
  
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  November 12, 2019 10:24am
- KevO'Brien
  
  We have a problem. I believe Winston is showing dementia-his increasing confusion over the last 5 years speaks for itself. He has been living off the better moments but they are getting fewer.
  
  I don’t see a mechanism to reject a an MP. The party leaders should deal with this. In Winston’s case that means his caucus and Ardern as leader of the COL. They need to find him a retirement position before he forgets them too and bites them on the behind. Confusion does as it finds and the reality can change hourly. Peters needs to be outed promptly before further harm occurs.
  Sorry, cobber your time has come.
  
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  November 12, 2019 12:04pm
  - peterwn
    
    There are procedures to remove a MP on mental health grounds but they are extremely stringent, JLR for example comes nowhere near as qualifying.
    
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    November 12, 2019 1:25pm
Jack5

Golriz Ghahraman gets it right.

The Green MP is on target about the Government’s suggested firearms prohibition orders.

Radio NZ reports Ghahraman said the consultation document on the proposed measure raises significant human rights concerns.

“The one that really jumps out, for example, is warrantless search powers, so we are giving police extra powers without them being governed by our usual search and surveillance or search and seizure laws.”

Police Minister Stuart Nash (old Walter’s great-grandson) says:

“In practice this may mean a person subject to a firearms prevention order could not live in or visit a property where firearms are held, even if the firearm owner is licensed. They could not be in a vehicle which is carrying a firearm. They could not go hunting even under supervision. They could still associate with lawful gun owners, but not if a firearm is present.”

Does anyone know National’s position on the measure? Or Seymour’s?

You can read the consultation document here:
https://www.police.govt.nz/about-us/publication/firearms-prohibition-orders-public-consultation

And you can file your submission until 5pm on January 13 here:

FPOConsultation@police.govt.nz.
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November 12, 2019 10:30am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Golriz Ghahraman gets it right.
  
  Indeed, she does.
  
  This could turn out to be a right doozy….as Jacinda Ardern fronts the Firearms Prohibitions and Golriz fights for folks basic rights of assembly.
  
  Could be popcorn time (or in my case…time to stack up on Lipton tea)
  
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  November 12, 2019 11:01am
- alloytoo
  
  That is an utterly unenforceable law.
  
  Will the person subject to the order have to ask at every single property he enters, every conveyance he boards as to whether there are firearms present?
  
  Not only that, it also potentially places an unreasonable burdon of discovery on a licenced Firearm owner as to whether anybody he encounters is subject to such an order lest they be party to the breach.
  
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  November 12, 2019 11:43am
- cmm
  
  The problems with this bill should be obvious to anyone with half a brain – especially to anyone with any legal training.
  
  GG is at least a trained lawyer unlike the rest of the polsci rabble that dream up this crap.
  
  So how far would this go?
  
  * Can an electrician with an FPO visit a house with guns in it? Probably not. That means tradies with FPOs must ask their customers if they have guns – not likely to go down well.
  * What if a gun owner lies to a person with a FPO and they get caught?
  * A person with an FPO wants to buy a house. Must they first find out if there are firearms in the house before they go to an open home?
  
  The problems with this are too numerous to make into an effective law.
  
  There are also no indications that the current laws are not enough. It is already up to firearm owners to ensure that guns do not fall into the wrong hands.
  
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  November 12, 2019 11:53am
- KevO'Brien
  
  This is real Commissar stuff from Ardern.
  
  Self-Queen of NZ creates Police State.
  ☑️☑️
  
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  November 12, 2019 12:08pm
  - DJ Ward
    
    Like most Queens there position was accidental.
    
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    November 12, 2019 12:59pm
    - chaos
      
      Brought about through inbreeding
      
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      November 12, 2019 1:43pm
- DJ Ward
  
  Judge: You are now banned from delivering Pizza.
  
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  November 12, 2019 12:58pm
- peterwn
  
  What about the human rights of all the people who do not want to be put at risk. Surely it is a human right to not have to arm yourself continuously for your protection – ie an ‘inverse’ of the Second Amendment.
  
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  November 12, 2019 1:28pm
Brian McDonald

Winston’s claims of process were all rejected by ex top Civil Servant Sir Maarten Weavers. Maarten was back up by Hughes who acknowledged his breakdown of communications with WP since the leak. I get their point. However the result of doing what they claimed was the right thing saw the Privacy Laws broken. Their inference that Peter’s is partisan or protective (my word) could equally apply to them. It can be argued that privacy can be passed on in certain circumstances, but arguably the first consideration is that there must be no breach of that privacy – and there was. If a Government employee is going to pass on information that onus for the safety of that information is on them. There has been evidence that the press were informed across the board but neither Weavers or Hughes appears to have addressed that as the priority of concern that it is.
I know that Winston is much maligned here, but take an objective look at the principle – employees entrusted to keep privacy contributed to a breach which is not something they can wipe their hands of. What should arise from this is protocol around the way such information is handled to ensure it is not leaked – not arguments that the Minister needed to know (to tell her sister-in-law and family – tongue in cheek here somewhat). One thing is does show is what gasbags MPs can be and how defensive civil servants can be when they’ve contributed to a breach of the Law. Don’t know how this case will go now, but at least the issue has moved from not who the leaker was (though it’s not a good look – for the various MPs and their departments, to be unable to resolved the ‘mystery), to the issue of security of private information under the Act.
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/expert-surprised-by-peters-claims/ar-BBWBaBK?ocid=spartandhp
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November 12, 2019 10:36am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  There’s no evidence that Winston didn’t let the cat out of the bag himself by complaining to someone that he had to pay back money to MSD….
  
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  November 12, 2019 11:06am
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    Equally and more importantly there is no evidence he did.
    
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    November 12, 2019 11:30am
    - alloytoo
      
      Just equally, not more importantly.
      
      Winston has already argued that the “Leak” was for political gain.
      
      It can be equally argued that he could have leaked it for political gain.
      
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      November 12, 2019 11:47am
      - Chuck
        
        Yep… At the time Winston was struggling for “air time”. And it was classic Winston “taking on the big boys” in this case MSD / nasty National ministers leaking his overpayment.
        
        Did Winston use a backchannel to expose his own pension issue? I guess it will never be known… Other than what’s come out in court – that Winston played fast and loose with the truth.
        
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        November 12, 2019 1:00pm
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Dead right. Peters was being completely ignored by the media’s infatuation with Jacindamania. And if there’s one thing Peters thrives on, it’s publicity, be it good or bad.
        
        I believe the leak came from within NZF.
        
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        November 12, 2019 1:40pm
      - sooty
        
        He’s getting his moneys worth now!
        
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        November 12, 2019 7:34pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      At this rate Brian you’ll be the only idiot voting for him next year.
      
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      November 12, 2019 12:05pm
      - chaos
        
        Not true, Winston will vote for himself if he remembers, with his failing health he might just forget who he is meant to vote for
        
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        November 12, 2019 12:08pm
      - Brian McDonald
        
        I’ve never voted for him, just like you wouldn’t call me an idiot to my face.
        
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        November 12, 2019 2:52pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Winston still has the burden of proof that his blundering has not triggered or created the situation he complains about.
      
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      November 12, 2019 12:11pm
- alloytoo
  
  Your privacy bow is drawn past breaking point.
  
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  November 12, 2019 11:45am
- Bell-47
  
  Public figures, politicians especially give up the right to privacy when entering office. For no other reason than transparency. This is a particularly relevant situation unlike that of Meteria Turei. Turei was not in government. Winston may not have been at the time but is now and the transparency rules must apply to negate the possibility of partisan influence. This last point is important because Winston began the law suit immediately after becoming part of the government. It is nothing more than UTU on the part of Winston. Guidelines for “no surprises” must be adhered to regardless of privacy. For instance, would these same privacy rules apply to the minister in charge of social welfare if the same situation existed? I expect they would not.
  
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  November 12, 2019 12:26pm
- peterwn
  
  A few things here:
  1. The two top public servants sought legal advice from the Crown Solicitor and would have abided by that advice.
  2. The process is in the Cabinet Manual and no attempt had been made to change the convention by either main party (Helen Clark arguably used some ‘no surprises’ information to hit National with just before the 2002 election).
  3. Winston is dreaming up various non-existent ‘conventions’ to suit his case such that department heads should not provide ‘no surprises’ information within three months of an election.
  
  Peter Hughes gave an example where John Key was unaware that the Ministerial car fleet was being replaced until his chauffeur told him and John Key was the ‘responsible’ Minister as Minister in charge of Ministerial Services.
  
  There was another case (in UK) where ‘no surprises’ information was valid. Lester Piggot a top jockey who rode horses owned by the Queen and Queen Mother was retiring and was in line for a knighthood. The tax people let it be known to the appropriate authorities that he was being investigated for serious tax evasion. So instead of receiving a knighthood from Her Majesty, he was instead one of her guests for 6 months (but with no gold plated bathroom fittings).
  Think how messy it would have been if he received a knighthood then senior people having to agonise whether to advise Her Majesty to strip the knighthood off him.
  
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  November 12, 2019 1:48pm
  - Bell-47
    
    Yes, I remember at the time the standing joke was, “what did Garry Glitter get for Christmas?” …Lester Piggot ?
    
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    November 12, 2019 6:53pm
Straight arrow

Longtime Canadian hockey pundit Don Cherry (think Quinn in NZ to rugby, at his heyday) has been fired by Sportsnet for on-air remarks about what he believes are new immigrants not honoring the country’s fallen soldiers.

He said
“Forget it with downtown Toronto, nobody wears the poppy … You people who come here, whatever it is, you love our way of life, you love our milk and honey, at least you can pay a couple bucks for a poppy or something like that…These guys paid for your way of life that you enjoy in Canada, these guys paid the biggest price.”

Outrage on social media, as prime minister wore black face at least 3 times, but gets re-elected.
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November 12, 2019 10:53am
Aunty

It appears as though the situation in Hong Kong is deteriorating. And again we are seeing another Communist regime (via its proxies in the HK Government) crushing the hopes and aspirations of ordinary people. Have they ever, anywhere, done anything else? Marxist filth!

What is and should be the stance of the New Zealand Government on this?
https://twitter.com/anti_elab
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November 12, 2019 11:09am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  The west should collectively offer every hong kong resident asylum, and further every chinese female 18-30 yrs old citizenship. Let the chinese vote with their feet.
  
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  November 12, 2019 8:56pm
JibberJabber

Peak Fuckwittery, no end in sight…
https://twitter.com/tommytuck39/status/1191625770592018432
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November 12, 2019 11:15am
- Bell-47
  
  Yes, the silly bag that replied seems to think they are akin to the same thing. Obviously has a full working set of tackle unlike those who have had the vital bits removed. I despair at the sheer ignorance on display by some young people these days just so they can affirm some woke idea’s about justifying transgender rights. Once again, another twitter twat getting involved from the safety of middle class comfort.
  
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  November 12, 2019 12:37pm
- peterwn
  
  What is the problem here? The person would be having the whole thing removed anyway.
  
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  November 12, 2019 1:55pm
Fletch

Which is quid quo pro. Trump on the phone with the Ukrainian President?

I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike … I guess you have one of your wealthy people… The server, they say Ukraine has. it? There- are a lot. of things that went on, the· whole situation .. I think you’re surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it? As you said yesterday, that whole nonsense ended with a very poor performance by a man named Robert Mueller, an incompetent performance, but they say a lot of it started with Ukraine. Whatever you can do, it’s very important that you do it if that’s possible.

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The other thing, There’s a lot of talk about Biden’s son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you ·can look into it … It sounds horrible to me.

https://www.scribd.com/document/427409665/Ukraine-Call-Transcript

Or the behavior of the Democrats –

For instance, newly released memos show that Hunter Biden’s Ukraine gas firm pressed the Obama administration to end corruption allegations (1)

The next thing you know Joe Biden is withholding a billion dollars in aid until the Ukrainian prosecutor who is investigating the company Hunter works for, is fired(2). Then the replacement prosecutor, Yuriy Lutsenko, said in an interview that U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch gave him a ‘do not prosecute’ list during their first meeting. Many of the names were of Soros-funded NGOs, and of course, Burisma, who Hunter Biden worked for. (3)

Acting U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Bill Taylor also has ties to the Atlantic Council think tank, which is funded by – you guessed it, Burisma again. (4) Oh, and as far as impeachment, not forgetting that the Obama administration asked Ukraine to investigate Donald Trump’s campaign manager, Paul Manafort, in 2016 – almost exactly what Trump is being accused of. (5)
Oh, and remember when two Russian pranksters phoned Adam Schiff, pretending to be Andriy Parubiy, the former speaker of Ukraine’s parliament, saying they had dirt on Trump. Schiff was only too glad to receive it. (6)

And what about in in May, CNN reported that Sens. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.), Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.) and Patrick J. Leahy (D-Vt.) wrote a letter to Ukraine’s prosecutor general, Yuriy Lutsenko, hinting that the assistance the US provides them was contingent on them helping dig up dirt on Trump for the Mueller report? (7)

And according to left-wing news site Politico, “Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office. They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election. And they helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers, a Politico investigation found.” (8)

So, tell me, who seems more guilty of “quid pro quo”? And also, is Trump wrong for wanting Ukraine to look into past corrupt activities between it and the United States?

1. https://johnsolomonreports.com/hunter-bidens-ukraine-gas-firm-pressed-obama-administration-to-end-corruption-allegations-memos-show/

2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXA–dj2-CY

3. https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/434875-top-ukrainian-justice-official-says-us-ambassador-gave-him-a-do-not-prosecute

4. https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/10/23/who-william-taylor-impeachment-star-witness-longtime-relationship-burisma-backed-think-tank/

5. https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/09/double-standards-on-ukraine/

6. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gop-rep-digs-up-audio-of-schiff-saying-he-would-accept-dirt-on-trump-from-ukrainian-politician-in-prank-call

7. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/09/24/democrats-investigation-might-do-more-hurt-biden-than-trump/

8. https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446
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November 12, 2019 11:24am
- DJ Ward
  
  Please don’t let everyone know the truth.
  A person in the media might read it and go home tonight and cry.
  Your truthfulness is harming the fake news, NZ Media narrative.
  Please, please stop.
  
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  November 12, 2019 1:06pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  What is actually relevant to the impeachm,ent inquiry:
  The president attempted to coerce Ukraine to provide damaging statements about Joe Biden as well information supporting the bizarre conspiracy theory blaming Ukraine and the Democratic Party for Russian interference in the 2016 elections. Trump enlisted officials and others, including his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani and Attorney General William Barr, to pressure Ukraine to cooperate in supporting the conspiracy theories.
  Trump blocked but later released delivery of the congressional $400 million military aid package to obtain cooperation from President Zelensky. Contacts between the White House and the government of Ukraine culminated in the notorious 25 July phone call between Trump and Zelensky.
  
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  November 12, 2019 3:40pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Lol- still trying with the lies SM
    Maybe just stick to your usual snark
    
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    November 12, 2019 4:01pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      It’s just the first draft of history.
      
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      November 12, 2019 4:07pm
Hugh Pavletich

CHINA …

Chinese credit slows even more … MacroBusiness Au

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/11/chinese-credit-slows-even-more/

Don’t look to China to save the global economy. October credit is out and was very weak with Aggregate Financing at 619bn yuan and bank lending at 691bn yuan: … read more via hyperlink above …
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Interest Co NZ comment on China this morning … within its Morning Briefing …

Wall Street slips on trade uncertainty. Shanghai falls sharply on bad Chinese data; Australia struggles with climate-change bushfires; UST 10yr yield at 1.95%; oil and gold down; NZ$1 = 63.6 USc; TWI-5 = 68.8

https://www.interest.co.nz/news/102522/wall-street-slips-trade-uncertainty-shanghai-falls-sharply-bad-chinese-data-australia
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How Bad Is China’s Debt? A City Hospital Is Asking Nurses for Loans … Alexandra Stevens and Cao Li … The New York Times

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/10/business/china-debt-hospitals.html

RUZHOU, China — When the call came for local doctors and nurses to step up for their troubled community, the emergency wasn’t medical. It was financial.

Ruzhou, a city of one million people in central China, urgently needed a new hospital, their bosses said. To pay for it, the administrators were asking health care workers for loans. If employees didn’t have the money, they were pointed to banks where they could borrow it and then turn it over to the hospital.

China’s doctors and nurses are paid a small fraction of what medical professionals make in the United States. On message boards online and in the local media, many complained that they felt pressured to pony up thousands of dollars they could not afford to give. … read more via hyperlink above …
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November 12, 2019 11:41am
- Steve James
  
  “Climate Change” bushfires? Really? Such CRAP!!!
  
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  November 12, 2019 2:04pm
  - chaos
    
    Of course, climate change caused those two little shits that have been arrested to start some of the fires…..
    
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    November 12, 2019 3:22pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  WHEN the Chinese economy collapses which it will there will be a revolution in China that will make the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution look like a Sunday School Picnic
  
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  November 12, 2019 4:34pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    No there won’t, ai surveillance tech and high tech weapons makes revolution impossible. The world will inevitably slide towards authoritarian despotism made possible by automated policing.
    
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    November 12, 2019 8:59pm
    - Batman
      
      Ok RoboCop
      
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      November 12, 2019 10:56pm
Kabull

I have no doubt that Winston, in his ministerial hat, would dump on any department head who did not warn him about a situation which could cause him (Winston) embarrassment if it got into the public domain. This has been the expected position for decades – senior public servants are obligated (whether legally or morally doesn’t matter) to give their minister warning of, and an explanation of the circumstances surrounding, any event that would necessitate the minister or the government having to defend its/their actions to the public.
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November 12, 2019 11:57am
kevn

Whats happened to the JA office rapists QC report? Seem very s l o w to be released.
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November 12, 2019 12:41pm
- chaos
  
  It’s not being released, it’s staying internal
  
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  November 12, 2019 1:42pm
- Paulus
  
  Winston has got it under control so there will be no release of any sexual details from Ardern’s Office.
  It did not happen.
  
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  November 12, 2019 1:56pm
  - cut n paster
    
    What does the QC say Pony Girl?!!
    https://ibb.co/DV6dZvT
    
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    November 12, 2019 6:49pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  The report was a private commission so will stay private. The public have no rights to any of it.
  The Police might seek it out as evidence in a criminal matter concerning a conspiracy or a direct attempt to pervert the course of justice.
  
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  November 12, 2019 4:22pm
  - david
    
    Who paid for it?
    
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    November 12, 2019 9:41pm
cmm

Stuff and Herald both have cut-n-paste articles about Springboks doping.

I would not be surprised. I know doping was rife in South Africa back in the 1980s/90s even at school level and it has probably got worse since then.

Aphiwe Dyantyi (who was bust earlier this year) and a few others in that squad do not have typical body shapes – especially a couple of the nguni guys who tend to struggle putting on large muscle mass.
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November 12, 2019 12:44pm
Maggie Pie

Dear Autocorrect,

I’m getting a bit tired of your shirt.
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November 12, 2019 1:51pm
- chaos
  
  best thing to do is take the autocorrect outside and dump it down the drain, apparently that is how Auckland get rid of shirts, they then wash out to the beach causing the beaches to be closed.
  
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  November 12, 2019 3:21pm
Happychappy

When is David Clark ,Grant Robertson an Jacinda Ardern going to take responsibility for the Deficits happening and stop blaming the previous Government.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=12284491
I have never seen or heard a Government from previous era continually blame a previous Government for the pathetic way they have managed the Health system and even the Ministry have said it due to the wage demands.
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November 12, 2019 1:51pm
- chaos
  
  Have you never watched parliament tv? It was rather common of the National govt to mention the nine long years of neglect under Clark. Where do you think labour got it from, they can’t even come up with their own answers.
  
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  November 12, 2019 3:19pm
  - IC5000
    
    > Have you never watched parliament tv?
    
    Life’s too short for that clown world
    
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    November 12, 2019 5:30pm
Jack5

New Zealand’s population blow-out over the last five years has put us at the top of population growth in developed countries.

I’ve criticised Massey’s Paul Spoonley in General Debate a few times over his multiculturism views, but he’s very interesting in a 14-minute radio interview at Radio NZ.

Our immigration has surged since 2013, with the inflow, in order of size, mainly from China, India, and Britain.

New Zealand has never had such migration growth before in its history, Spoonley says.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=2018721812
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November 12, 2019 2:14pm
- Jack5
  
  Net gain in immigrants to NZ for the September 30 year rose 10.3 per cent on the previous year, reports the web site, interest.co.nz
  
  The net gain was 54,623 migrants.
  
  This is more than triple current immigration rates to the United States and the United Kingdom.
  
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  November 12, 2019 2:21pm
  - MCos
    
    It’s worth noting that South Africans were the highest net immigrants at around ten and a half thousand; followed by Chinese, Indians and Filipinos.
    https://www.stats.govt.nz/information-releases/international-migration-september-2019
    
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    November 12, 2019 4:10pm
    - Jack5
      
      The Statistics Department web site is a dog’s breakfast. The search function is appalling.
      
      MCos’s link is to an information summary. It gives the net arrival and departure of immigrants, but without arrival figures for the UK. Presumably with many of the immigrants recorded in the figures as leaving slipped through the back door to Australia.
      
      Here are the gross arrival numbers (September 30 year) in that summary, with the UK figures missing:
      
      New Zealanders – 34,700
      China – 17,300
      India – 12,400
      South Africa – 10,500
      Australia – 9,400
      
      Paul Spoonley in his radio interview described the UK as being the source of the third highest number of Immigrants (he would have been ignoring the Statistics Dept inclusion of New Zealanders).
      
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      November 12, 2019 5:03pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And worth a read:
  https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/11/11/899072/the-dirty-little-secret-about-this-migration-debate
  
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  November 12, 2019 3:21pm
chaos

Poor Winston, Actually believes he has a good reputation. Easy Winston, don’t commit fraud and then don’t lie about it. Who would of thought that a certain benefit fraudster green mp would be more honest and upfront than this old git.

* Peters, who claims his reputation was damaged in a politically-motivated leak of his pension overpayments in 2017, emphasised the importance of defending his reputation – particularly against “foul comments” on social media.

“You spend a lifetime trying to build a reputation and to have it trashed by malicious comment and foul statements and defamed… is not what our society is about,” Peters told Magic Talk.

“Sooner or later, we’re going to be as a country saying to social media, ‘You’re going to be forced to have and follow the same standards as the mainstream media’.”

Peters added, “If you doubt me, go and look what they’re saying right now about this case – all in contempt of court… as if they exist above the law, so to speak.*

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/11/winston-peters-lashes-out-at-social-media-s-freedom-to-ruin-people-s-reputations.html
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November 12, 2019 4:08pm
- Happychappy
  
  This from someone that has used Parliamentary Privilege to ruin other peoples reputations and if you don’t think that right go back and listen to the speech he gave when John key resigned from Parliament. Winston Peters is the Scourge of NZ Politics and the sooner the NZ voter decide they have had enough the better NZ will become.
  
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  November 12, 2019 4:40pm
- Pateke
  
  MY God. Is that a sign of Winston’s state of mind that he mentions suicide in the last para? That would be a real concern.
  
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  November 12, 2019 4:50pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Sweden’s media not reporting explosions.
I wonder why not.

After last month’s trio of attacks in Stockholm, public broadcaster SVT was accused of a leftist cover-up for leaving the story out of a main evening news programme.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50339977
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November 12, 2019 6:18pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  That question does not seem to be answered in the story.
  
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  November 12, 2019 6:25pm
- krazykiwi
  
  There were 162 explosions in Sweden last year, and there have been 30 in the last two months – that’s one every second day. Their bomb squad must be one of the most practiced in Europe.
  
  Ethnic Swedes perhaps? Mmm, I suspect not.
  
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  November 12, 2019 10:05pm
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND …

Migration added 54,623 people to this country’s population in year to September … Greg Ninness … Interest Co NZ

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/102531/migration-added-54623-people-countrys-population-year-september

There was a net gain of 54,623 migrants in the 12 months to September, up 10.3% on the 12 months to September last year, according to the latest provisional estimates from Statistics NZ. … read more via hyperlink above …
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November 12, 2019 6:47pm
chaos

* About 11,000 people – most with epilepsy but some with mental health conditions – are switching to a generic form of the drug, called Logem.

Three deaths have now been reported as possible outcomes from the switch to the new drug.

Last month, RNZ reported a woman feared her daughter’s sudden death was linked to her switch to Logem.*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/117368196/three-deaths-following-epilepsy-drug-switch
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November 12, 2019 7:13pm
curry4me

Nigel Farage has put country before party. Things aren’t looking good for Labour.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxIg5Dw6P4Y
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November 12, 2019 8:19pm
chaos

Jacinda Ardern, prime minister, lying again

* It is notoriously difficult to regulate international social media domestically. But according to the Prime Minister, it’s in train.

“What we’re looking for here is just consistency, moving into the modern era and that’s an area that [Internal Affairs] Minister Tracey Martin’s been working on,” Ardern said on Tuesday.

She said Martin has “been doing some thinking and some work”.

But it seems Minister Martin missed the memo.

“I’m not working in that space,” she said. “It’s still a conversation to be had we haven’t had that conversation yet… I’m not confident it’s actually 100 percent my area.”

That’s despite Ardern saying she is “content with the pace” that work is being done in that area. *

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/11/suicides-will-increase-if-social-media-isn-t-regulated-winston-peters.html
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November 12, 2019 8:21pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Does Ardern even talk to her Ministers?
  
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  November 12, 2019 9:23pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    I’m not sure she knows what to say, until Winston tells her.
    
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    November 12, 2019 10:00pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Quite prodidly but, they can’t understand wtf she is on about either . . . .
    
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