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October 8, 2019 8:00am by Kokila Patel

General Debate 8 October 2019

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Luke Piewalker

(because I haven’t been in the country)

Can someone tell me why the Labour parties sex offender isn’t being investigated by the Police?
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October 8, 2019 8:05am
- chaos
  
  Not really, you have to be more specific on which labour sex offender you mean
  
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  October 8, 2019 8:15am
- G152
  
  Not what but who I rather suspect…
  
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  October 8, 2019 8:17am
- Prince
  
  Because Police HQ is heavily involved with, and indebted to, the Beehive, and wont move a muscle on any political front without the approval of the PM and deputy PM.
  It frustrates the hell out of the ‘grunts’ on the front line.
  
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  October 8, 2019 8:21am
  - chaos
    
    Not really, the police haven’t had any complaints made to them. Can’t investigate if the woman aren’t ready to go to police.
    
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    October 8, 2019 9:02am
    - Tall Man
      
      Bollocks.
      
      The police investigate and arrest many times a day before a complaint is laid. Who lays a murder complaint… the victim?
      
      Same for rape. The evidence is enough for them to act should they desire…. In this case, they obviously do not.
      
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      October 8, 2019 11:44am
      - chaos
        
        Lol, ah, the person that finds the dead body informs the police and then they investigate. But in a case like rape where there is no report they have nothing t9 investigate until a compliant is laid.
        
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        October 8, 2019 12:29pm
      - cmm
        
        They will only press charges if they think they can make a robust case.
        
        If the rape victim refuses to testify that’s going to make a very hollow case.
        
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        October 8, 2019 1:26pm
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Because that is not how Justice works in NZ 2019.
  The most open and transparent government do an open and transparent enquiry into the conduct.
  It is at that point, it becomes an extremely private and secretive matter.
  There is a trend starting emerge, only two February 2018 incidents are in the public domain, no doubt there could be more, I think many more.
  They have been wonderfully managed and manipulated.
  Maybe deserving of a prize for saving the world from all the ghastly details.
  Wonder if they think the public are stupid enough to sign up for another term of open and transparent government, or they will drop the phrase next election.
  
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  October 8, 2019 8:28am
- Martin Williams
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Because nothing happened and it’s all a beat up by Paula [Deleted – Mod]?
  
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  October 8, 2019 8:30am
  - chaos
    
    Ah right, so you are calling victims of sexual abuse and rape liars. Wow, that is a sad reflection on Labour Party trolls to attack victims
    
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    October 8, 2019 8:34am
    - MrLovebucket
      
      Well, that is what the PM pretty much said.
      
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      October 8, 2019 12:14pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    It would be hard to further lower the reputation of the Labour party, but Martin Williams makes a pretty desperate effort to do so.
    
    You could be more despicable Martin, but I’m rather struggling to think quite how.
    
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    October 8, 2019 8:43am
  - Bell-47
    
    The phone calls you must get from Fraser house on a daily basis to come here and deflect must really eat into your day job Martin. Do you really think running interference for them on this subject will further your career in politics? Especially given you, by the looks of it, insulted a woman on the other team?
    
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    October 8, 2019 9:07am
    - chaos
      
      Will get no where in politics as anyone that would vote for him will find out he is a victim blamer who attacks woman who have been sexually assaulted
      
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      October 8, 2019 9:09am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Nah, if he is going into politics he will head up the Sexual Assault Logistics for Labour. Great Career Path.
      
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      October 8, 2019 9:09am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    There are a few things normal folk worry about being labelled. One is a Rape Apologist, because one who defends rapists can’t be far from being a rapist (other than in a legal – lawyer defence). Any psychologists care to comment?
    
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    October 8, 2019 9:08am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    If nothing happened why is the PM wasting her time with 3 reviews into the matter?
    If nothing happened why did the PM accept the resignation of Nigel Haworth?
    If nothing happened why did Mr X resign from working for the Labour Party?
    
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    October 8, 2019 9:15am
    - chaos
      
      Maggy don’t ask questions labour trolls can’t deal with. I have been informed this is an actual photo of a labour troll right now reading your post
      
      https://media.giphy.com/media/SGT03NX8u32ZG/giphy.gif
      
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      October 8, 2019 9:21am
      - Tall Man
        
        grant robertson 2025……
        
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        October 8, 2019 2:48pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      If Ardern has sufficient grounds for concern to hold her inquiries it is properly a Police matter and she could be said to be obstructing the course of justice.
      Does she now own the Police that their business is her business?
      
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      October 8, 2019 9:24am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        It appears she does own the police judging by what they let protesters get away with, in Wellington yesterday.
        
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        October 8, 2019 12:49pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      ‘Nothing happened’ is an apt description of what goes on in Martin Williams’ head.
      
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      October 8, 2019 10:01am
  - Tall Man
    
    Please take that opinion to your wife or daughter although I doubt a mongrel like you with an attitude towards women like that would ever have a female in their life and continue to be a lonely useless prick.
    
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    October 8, 2019 11:46am
  - Farmer boy
    
    Me Too Martin? Labour too? Jacinda too? Prick.
    
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    October 8, 2019 11:57am
  - toby1845
    
    How are those schoolgirls going, Martin?
    
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    October 8, 2019 6:12pm
- harvey wilson
  
  First there was a cover up
  Then it came out and the resignations started
  Then the finance minister went into hiding
  Then the pm said “ if it can happen in the Labour Party it can happen anywhere “
  Then labour’s shills turned in Bennett saying she was politising it
  Then the online labour shills tried to tell us that the victims should have gone to the police
  Now labour’s shills are saying it never happened
  
  How soon the left have abandoned #believewomen when it became inconvenient for them .
  
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  October 8, 2019 9:14am
- wreck1080
  
  “because I haven’t been in the country”
  
  Do they not have the internet overseas?
  
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  October 8, 2019 10:23am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    And would she accept that as an excuse from a National PM, what a joke, Jacinda holds herself to a very low standard,
    
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    October 8, 2019 9:05pm
- JackRabbit
  
  @Luke Piewalker
  For the same reason that:
  If you are caught doing 180kph, even for a good reason like to get to a hospital, you get the book thrown at you, lose your licence, and possibly your car.
  
  If the PM (remember Helen Clark) is caught doing 180kph she gets a cup of tea and a biscuit, a “sorry mam” and a high speed escort to the rugby match she is late for. The fact she wasn’t driving is irrelevant, she was the one in control. Public Service drivers carrying precious cargo do not speed unless instructed.
  
  Its also called “lick my boots or lose your job”
  
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  October 8, 2019 3:05pm
- Drone
  
  It would appear to be a worldwide phenomena sex abuse by Labour https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10086952/labour-mp-suspended-harassment-claims/ but unlike our transparent government the names of the perps are published…….
  
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  October 8, 2019 8:46pm
secondcumming

“PIECE OF SHIT” LOSES NAME SUPPRESSION….

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12167698

Justice Timothy Brewer [10]
Judge David McNaughton [0]
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October 8, 2019 8:06am
- rightoverlabour
  
  OOh I see we have a crim hugger on this blog. Should we have a poll?
  Stephieboy
  Martin Williams
  Morrisey
  
  Feel free to out your self or add to the list of Commy Scum that infest New Zealand.
  
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  October 8, 2019 8:33am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Let us hope the Labour Youth Camp predator does not get name suppression. I hope if he does it will be appealed.
  
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  October 8, 2019 8:37am
  - Colville
    
    and in your dreams who would appeal if, as I suspect he will, gets name suppression?
    
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    October 8, 2019 9:43am
  - igm
    
    We all know who it is and maybe time for a poster drop around town . . . or would Labour’s top plod start making inquiries and prefer charges.
    
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    October 8, 2019 9:56am
- Bell-47
  
  That the Herald had to take it to the high court demonstrates exactly how the justice system now operates. Fear of repercussions for his mother and the Marae? This little turd used his mother as a shield through his lawyer. The cultural element seems to have trumped justice in the first instance. Using this element as a defence has, and will become the norm…sadly.
  
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  October 8, 2019 9:13am
  - ross411
    
    That the repercussions flow onto family members and associates, is part of the package that should encourage people to not do what he did. Giving him name suppression misses the point, and enables him to continue in his ways.
    
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    October 8, 2019 9:41am
    - sooty
      
      Pray tell, where does the marae fit in to this?
      I don’t think the sex camp was at a marae!
      I don’t think the mother has got maori blood?
      
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      October 8, 2019 10:36am
      - Bell-47
        
        “Pray tell, where does the marae fit in to this?”
        
        It does not, if it did, every Maori person convicted of a crime would be offered name suppression given they have an association with a Marae. Seems this minor detail escaped the first judge..
        
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        October 8, 2019 10:51am
- MH
  
  he should have been press-ganged onto the Endeavour given 10 lashes with the cat and then as protesters watched keel hauled just to show them true justice. And given loss of leave – mulct it.
  
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  October 8, 2019 9:25am
Yvette

Maria Dew QC, investigating the Labour sex assault complaints, was expected to report directly to Ardern in three weeks. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12268112 [16 Sep, 2019 – last sentence]

Yesterday was three weeks. So the Dew Review is now over-due.

Athough, in fact Dew may have actually delivered, but like the rest of the information surrounding this open, fully transparent, honest Ardern-Winston Government, who the hell would know?
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October 8, 2019 8:09am
- sooty
  
  No one it’s designed to hide a dirty little deviate in Cindys own office on the nineth floor! Drews report will be under lock and key, never to see the light of day!
  
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  October 8, 2019 8:53am
- Gravyman2
  
  “Let’s do this! (but remember it’s just our little secret)”
  
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  October 8, 2019 8:59am
- Bobba Fret
  
  She has probably already reported back to Jacinda. They will now be deciding what to release in to the public arena which will be very little. Probably something like Labour handled it well but improvements to the system could be made.
  
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  October 8, 2019 12:02pm
  - calendar girl
    
    If we (the taxpaying public) paid for this Maria Dew QC report, why isn’t that report available publicly for us to examine.
    
    Tax revenue is not designed to be used for the protection of Labour Party ‘insider’ miscreants or to avoid embarrassment on the part of the Prime Minister.
    
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    October 8, 2019 2:12pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I’m sure we haven’t paid for it…
      Jacinda was very careful to keep referring to the scandal as an internal Party matter.
      
      Labour have been very careful to avoid telling us whether Mr X was employed by us the tax-payers or the Labour Party, and whether any of the complainants were public servants or just Labour Party employees.
      
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      October 8, 2019 2:31pm
- Prince
  
  John Campbell asked Ardern about the report this morning.
  
  No, sorry, he didn’t.
  
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  October 8, 2019 12:27pm
Paulus Gnome

Pound to a pinch of poo that Cook’s commeration is hijacked by brown eyed activists and the Endeavor damaged in some way
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October 8, 2019 8:09am
- KiWombat
  
  I saw a woman on Q+A last night claiming Captain Cook was responsible for introducing methamphetamine and suicide into NZ.
  
  No mention of the reaction of then Maori when they saw “food” sail over the horizon. Remember they had already slain and eaten every living thing, in some cases to extinction, and resorted to a diet of fish and kumera !
  
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  October 8, 2019 8:21am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    The Maori population size and distribution in New Zealand was no doubt limited by their chronic carbohydrate shortage. Kumara is limited in the areas where it can be cultivated; bracken fern is notoriously difficult to process.
    If the Maori had the potato in addition to the kumara, the carrying population of the land could have been far higher and history very different.
    
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    October 8, 2019 8:27am
    - cmm
      
      There is some parallel with what happened in Southern Africa.
      
      African traditional staples are some low yield sorghum and millet. These calorie-constrained Africa’s ability to make people.
      
      Then, in the 1500s the Portugese brought sweet potatoes (kumara), maize, pumpkins and beans to Mozambique and from there they flowed into other areas – particularly North Eastern South Africa (aka Zululand and Transkei).
      
      This increased the calorific production by 200-500% which Africa converted into babies. This rapidly increased the population – particularly Zululand and was a direct cause of the Mfecane – arguably the greatest genocide in world history – as the Zulu and Xhosa wiped out others to dominate the lands that grew these crops.
      
      One wonders what would have happened if higher caloric food sources were brought to NZ without a colonial structure.
      
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      October 8, 2019 9:07am
      - stephieboy
        
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        cmm, maize and sweet potatoes as well as ordinary potatoes came from the New World and certainly helped to diversify Europeans diet.
        
        I think you’ll find King Leopold’s genocide in the Belgian Congo on a much vaster scale,
        
        https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/1999/may/13/features11.g22
        
        Another belated attempt to rationalise and justify apartheid?
        
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        October 8, 2019 9:50am
      - cmm
        
        stephie you are a complete fucking moron.
        
        I did not mention apartheid or try to justify it.
        
        The Mfecane happened in the early 1800s and had nothing to do with South African colonisation. The only whites in the area were a few travelling missionaries. Apartheid started in 1948.
        
        For the record, wweet potatoes did little for the European diet since they didn’t grow properly in Europe.
        
        The main reason black (Nguni) people did not travel further south than the Transkei area is because the new crops (especially maize) would not grow further south. The Zulus and Xhosa – the strongest tribes – took all the good land. THey actually held on to that land all the way through the apartheid era.
        
        I know practically nothing about the history of the Congo, but wikipedia suggests that only 5% were killed in violence and far more died from diseases of one sort or another, so not much of a genocide.
        
        In the Mfecane over 50% of the whole South African population (or around 70% of the impacted areas) was wiped out.
        
        50 to 70% is greater than 5%. That makes it far bigger.
        
        And those clever Zulus managed that without the wheel, guns, horses, written word or other technological aids. Just wooden clubs and iron spear tips.
        
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        October 8, 2019 1:42pm
      - rightoverlabour
        
        @ stephieboy. Fuck, some expert on Apartheid you are! Howcome everytime a Saffa posts a comment you and other Commy Fuckwits immediately think we are justifying Apartheid? Blacks kill Blacks in Africa. Have been doing so for years. They used spears and clubs. Then Whitey arrived and they flicked to AK47s. Nothing else changed. Oh and Whites killed Whites in Africa too. Many of your ancestors participated in the mass murder of 22,000 women and children in the first-ever Concentration Camps. I suggest if you are going to debate CMM, you learn some basic History, and Geography and Science, in fact go back to school for a while….
        
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        October 8, 2019 2:04pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I did not mention apartheid or try to justify it.
        
        It is a standard technique employed by stephieboy and a few other trolls on this blog to smear other folks with views they have not expressed.
        
        That is why I respond to each & every smear/innuendo/ lie that stephieboy posts.
        
        I know most of the regular readers on KB can see what he is up to, but new readers to the blog might be sucked into believing his smear if it is not shot down.
        
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        October 8, 2019 4:30pm
      - cmm
        
        Maggy you are a far more tolerant soul than I.
        
        The benefit of colonialism, especially British, is that it brought the toys with a (generally) good governance structure: health system, police forces etc. Not perfect, but good.
        
        When the colonials get given the shove it just turns into a strong-armed plunder fest as we have seen everywhere else and are now seeing in SOuth Africa.
        
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        October 8, 2019 7:25pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    I have heard reliable sources state that Maori would have starved if the Evil Colonisers had not arrived. I suppose there is a limit to the slave larder.
    
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    October 8, 2019 8:35am
    - DigNap15
      
      I was told that they did not live very long due to the poor diet available, eg seafood and mussels and their teeth got rotten easily.
      
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      October 8, 2019 8:56am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      I don’t think the Maori would have starved out. They depended on animal protein for the energy (when starches were not available). This energy shortage would have capped their population size.
      Over-hunting would have worsened their situation.
      
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      October 8, 2019 8:57am
      - artemisia
        
        There is a well known form of malnutrition where diet comprises mostly lean protein, which most seafood is. There were explorers in Canada’s icy wastes where there was an abundance of food in the form of rabbits but the explorers died of malnutrition. I think it became known as rabbit starvation.
        
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        October 8, 2019 3:58pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    I hear that (I think 9) Maori were killed in a confrontation with Captain Cook.
    It appears out of character, no where else on his 3 voyages, did he attack the natives….first.
    The story they are are telling….He/ they came ashore, 9 Maori died…the end.
    Q:
    What happened to cause this?
    What happened between times?
    When you don’t tell the whole story, it makes me suspicious, that maybe the Maori attacked first, Cook’s men defended themselves and superior weapons meant carnage for the Maori.
    
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    October 8, 2019 8:40am
    - Stephen Russell
      
      There was a discussion of this on a Kiwiblog a few days ago:
      https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/10/general_debate_3_october_2019.html
      Niggly cites and quotes from an article:
      https://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/simplicity-compounds-ignorance
      which has an illuminating account of what happened.
      
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      October 8, 2019 8:56am
      - wreck1080
        
        So when the english first encountered the maori, the maori tried to steal their boat.
        
        Times don’t change. I remember the first time I had something stolen from me, it was a maori girl in the second year of primary. She stole my pencil and then claimed it was hers. Always remember that.
        
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        October 8, 2019 10:30am
    - sooty
      
      They thought Cook was takeaways been delivered!
      
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      October 8, 2019 8:57am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        The First Uber Eats!
        
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        October 8, 2019 2:06pm
    - DigNap15
      
      At an educated guess I’d say that Cook or any explorers (with guns) would land and then advance slowly waith care.
      They would not attack the first natives they saw, they would want to make contact and get advice and help.
      
      Only if things turn nasty would they start shooting.
      
      Just watch any Startrek episode. or Lost in Space.
      
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      October 8, 2019 8:58am
    - rangitoto
      
      The Maori did attack first, Cook’s crew retaliated. Cook afterwards lamented the way they made the approach and was a lot more cautious on subsequent encounters. They also captured three young warriors in the same incident. Cook set them ashore a couple of days later but they complained to Tupaia that the place was enemy territory and they would be killed and eaten.
      
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      October 8, 2019 10:22am
  - Scott
    
    The difficulty with the Maori being innocent and James Cook being a murderer is that the historical facts don’t bear this out. Cook was an explorer and as others have suggested was surprised and horrified by the violence that occurred.
    Also the Maori were war like and quick to take offence. Early Maori atrocities include the killing of the French explorer Du Fresne in 1772 which was Maori aggression. And then the worst massacre in this country occurred in 1809 where the crew of the Boyd were killed and eaten.
    
    The idea that innocent Maori were murdered by Cook and therefore Maori have some grievance is just wrong. Unfortunately this is the typical left wing treatment to disparage western civilisation and it’s early explorers. The revisionist treatment of Christopher Columbus is another example.
    
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    October 8, 2019 9:17am
    - Brian Marshall
      
      There were worse massacres than the Boyd. What Maori did to enemy tribes, especially during the musket wars, were far worse.
      The English saved Maori from years and years of intertribal wars with the adoption of the treaty of Waitangi.
      
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      October 8, 2019 6:14pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    @KiWombat
    
    Not slain everything. There is almost no Maori oral history of Maori hunting the Moa to extinction, only hunting the Moriori to extinction, but not quite. The Ngai Tahu are the interbred descendants of the remaining mainland Moriori that didn’t end up as Sunday roast. (DNS testing). It appears that natives that were here before the Tahitian Maori and before Moriori took out the Moa.
    
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    October 8, 2019 3:13pm
- G152
  
  A fair example of racism so far.
  And t fake NZ news stop the BS
  Abel Tasman was the first European to contact Maori and the site was called Murderers Bay.
  You have a few minutes you might like to find out why the site is called Murderers Bay.
  Captain James Cook was the second European to contact Maori
  
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  October 8, 2019 8:22am
  - srylands
    
    Yes but Tasman did not come ashore. He lost four men when Maori attacked the ship. Or the cutter.
    
    Cook was a genius. Unfortunately he should have quit after his second voyage. He went quite mad towards the end.
    
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    October 8, 2019 8:31am
    - MrTips
      
      Indeed, as a reliable historian noted, the first European import consumed in NZ was a dead Dutchman.
      
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      October 8, 2019 8:59am
  - kowtow
    
    There’s only one account of the Abel Tasman story , his own.
    
    Why ? Because the Golden Bay tribe that attcked the Dutch were in their own time overcome and exterminated by later waves of ……….migrating Maoris.
    
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    October 8, 2019 9:41am
  - stephieboy
    
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    G152, BTW Captain Cook had a different experience at Murderers Bay and renamed it Golden Bay.
    
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    October 8, 2019 9:46am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Brilliant morning here in Gizzy..
  I’m just back from the top of Kaiti Hill, watching the Endeavour, Spirit of NZ, The Otago and a couple of waka/va’a cross Poverty Bay and start to make their way toward shore.
  
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  October 8, 2019 8:38am
  - Jack5
    
    ⚓ Hoorah for Cook’s arrival, 250 years ago today.
    
    This started the Westernisation of this country, and brought it: law and modern commerce, reading and writing, the great English language, and Western education and knowledge. Even the wheel.
    
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    October 8, 2019 11:15am
    - atomic drop
      
      Yes the only countries in the South Pacific in the OECD are white countries! The rest are the same old story.
      
      When the dismantling of NZ and replacement with Aotearoa is completed, this will be a Third World country replete with a 3rd World flag – red, yellow and black most likely.
      
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      October 8, 2019 12:43pm
- niggly
  
  Ian Wishart explores the first encounter with Cook and the Endeavor and tries to take a look from both sides – well worth a read.
  
  As to be expected modern day left-wing activists are attempting to re-write history …. but frankly there is no need for the activist-left and Maori revisionists to be patronising their ancestors of the past by claiming they were “damaged”.
  
  At the time the Maori warriors challenged the crew of the Endeavor (and lucked out) but in the context of the day that’s the way life was. No need for anyone on either side to apologise (because we shouldn’t be judging the past by today’s standards).
  
  I wouldn’t be surprised if the warriors at the time could view things today they would be ashamed to be portrayed as “victims” by the activist-left!
  
  https://investigatemagazine.co.nz/27473/the-truth-about-captain-cook-and-maori-its-not-what-michael-king-told-you/
  
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  October 8, 2019 9:22am
Charmaine Hawke

So Extinction Rebellion may not have thought out their protest very well. My teenager was stuck in town when the buses were forced to re-route resulting in me taking an unnecessary trip into town in the car. I am sure I wasn’t the only one who had to do the same so net result was total disrupt of the city, MBIE closed down, ANZ invaded and extra emissions all for 300 protesters.
I am all for right to protest but this should have been shut down by the police much earlier. It is a sure sign we have a government not in control and while I am on a roll how ineffective are the Greens? They are in government and still protesting their government’s policies. This should give both them and their hard core supporters pause, if they can’t change things from a position of power what use are they??
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October 8, 2019 8:11am
- Ford Prefect
  
  They were a little feral without a plan. Randomly super-gluing themselves to buildings and cars then marching up to Civic Square then down to Parliament. They didnt know when to call it a day though and just got annoying.
  
  Why dont the Police charge these ferals?
  
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  October 8, 2019 8:19am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Why don’t they just leave them glued to where they chose to be – in fact add a little more glue and leave them. After about 3 days they might start to recognize the stupidity of their actions.
    
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    October 8, 2019 8:46am
    - Fletch
      
      Heck, somebody shoulda thrown eggs or rotten fruit at them, while they were helpless…. lol
      
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      October 8, 2019 10:40am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The whole show was orchestrated obstruction. I had even seen picture of a training camp before the event.
    Police must have known and had a duty to stop it. A protest is a breach of the peace when there is evident intent to copy the mayhem of the overseas mob. That preliminary warning justifies preventative action.
    If the COL or any of their team gave instructions to the Police to hold off they should be dealt with. (Perhaps sentenced to be glued to inner city lamp posts or the ones around Parliament?)
    
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    October 8, 2019 9:35am
- Tony Stuart
  
  It is a sure sign we have a government not in control and while I am on a roll how ineffective are the Greens? They are in government and still protesting their government’s policies. This should give both them and their hard core supporters pause, if they can’t change things from a position of power what use are they??
  
  That’s one of the more insightful comments I have read here lately Charmaine. I found it strange when James Shaw went out and marched with the school strike protesters the other week. They want more action against climate change, he is the Climate Change Minister, so he was essentially protesting against himself!
  
  The Greens really have failed to deliver in government, but they are not alone. Minimising the impact of the Greens is about the only think we can thank Winston Peters for; God help us what nonsense would be happening if we had a Labour/Green government. It’s another thing to remember when we vote next year; realistically, the best way to minimise the chances of a Labour/Green win is to party vote National.
  
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  October 8, 2019 8:23am
  - Poppa
    
    My hope is that Vernon Tava gets his party going ahead with gusto which will eat some of the Green vote. With Peters party in a pile of ash it could well be a two horse race next year
    
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    October 8, 2019 8:30am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Amen to that. I know a number of people here with impeccable “green” credentials who are completely disillusioned with the Green Party. It’s not hard to see people like this transferring their vote to a party which is wholly environment-focused.
      
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      October 8, 2019 8:50am
    - Stephen Russell
      
      The empirical evidence (and I apologise for being unable to cite sources) suggests that the Green Party vote is almost entirely hard Left. I doubt Tava will draw much support from that source. There is more danger he will siphon votes off National.
      
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      October 8, 2019 8:59am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        It is the new , first time voter, that see the word “Green” and jump right in.
        With a “Green” alternative, they may have to investigate, which “Green” to vote for.
        No hope for the oldies, they are hangovers from the old communist affiliates of the 70’s.
        
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        October 8, 2019 9:21am
  - gravedodger
    
    “Protesting against himself”
    
    The daft mong would struggle to make that intellectual leap into the unknown , he is a minister you know.
    
    Just one of a bunch entirely out of their depth, useful idiots in the journey to legend for the venal little man from St Marys Bay
    
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    October 8, 2019 9:06am
  - srylands
    
    If there were a Labour-Green Government after 2020, I think you would see more aggressive climate change policies. That might extend to banning the importation of petrol and diesel powered vehicles post 2030.
    
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    October 8, 2019 9:14am
  - graham
    
    You have nailed it, Charmaine and Tony.
    
    James Shaw is Minister for Climate Change
    Julie Anne Genter is Associate Minister of Transport
    Eugenie Sage is Associate Minister for the Environment
    
    With three MPs who are Ministers/Associate Ministers for areas that are related in some way to climate change concerns or factors, the question has to be asked: what the hell are they doing about it?
    
    (Other than James Shaw adding to the problem by jetting around the world to – ahem – climate change conferences)
    
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    October 8, 2019 10:26am
  - pb
    
    Perpetual revolutionaries. Cannon-fodder for the immoral (useful idiots), then they become useless.
    
    I am having trouble getting the “eat all the babies” green protestor out of my meme-ory.
    
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    October 8, 2019 11:52am
  - RightFirstTime
    
    It seems the protestors and Shaw didn’t have the intelligence to realise it but to the reasoned observer it appeared that Shaw was taking the piss!
    
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    October 8, 2019 4:53pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  If as they say, we are going extinct.
  It begs the questions
  1. If we are going extinct anyway, why are you shouting at the hurricane?
  2. If we are going extinct, I hope they go first, at least the rest of us will die in peace.
  
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  October 8, 2019 8:47am
- Michael
  
  We got stopped on Lambton Quay going to an appt.
  I called the 2 cops over to ask what’s what and was informed “We are giving them 10 mins and then they will clear the road”.
  
  That is what happened.
  
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  October 8, 2019 10:02am
- Bell-47
  
  From what I saw, they were nothing more than a motley crew of rope headed hippies dancing like stoned circus clowns. If “raising awareness” was the goal they certainly achieved that..I’m now completely aware of these nut jobs and their stone age agenda. Well done rope heads..
  
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  October 8, 2019 10:14am
- freethinker
  
  I note how green the grass is in local cemetery, there is a place for the Greens were their additiono would actually produce something useful;.
  
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  October 8, 2019 10:37am
- Surely Knott
  
  I thought this article was interesting. Who’s funding them? Getty oil heiress donates half a million pounds to climate extinction to help raise awareness of climate change!!!! Lol. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/09/06/getty-heiress-donates-500000-fund-backs-extinction-rebellion/
  
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  October 8, 2019 10:40am
- Mobile Michael
  
  They are Anarchists and Communists, not environmentalists. They want to overthrow the Government, damn the planet.
  
  Their third demand is for a people’s assembly that could overrule the law. In Imperial Russia those assemblies were called Soviets.
  
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  October 8, 2019 11:59am
Maggie Pie

Knock Knock

Who’s there?

Colin

Colin who?

Colin Craig

(everyone) FUCK OFF!!

-end-
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October 8, 2019 8:15am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Amen, amen and amen!
  
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  October 8, 2019 8:32am
- chaos
  
  I don’t know what is more creepy to go as for Halloween, Colin Craig, or the clown from it.
  
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  October 8, 2019 8:35am
- Rich Prick
  
  I’m certain there is an entire psychology textbook lurking in Mr X.
  
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  October 8, 2019 9:35am
- Bell-47
  
  I’d liken him to the “Frank Spencer” of politics..I realise this is a slight on Frank but the bumbling naivety and fecklessness is strikingly similar.
  
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  October 8, 2019 10:17am
  - chaos
    
    Fits because he then progresses into the monster, the phantom
    
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    October 8, 2019 10:24am
Ford Prefect

The Dominion is being very sympathetic to the protests in Wellington yesterday with their photos from ground level.
When they finally organised themselves in Civic Square and started marching down Lambton Quay they only covered the distance of two lamp posts. Possibly 20m long.

200 versus 20,000 when the students could wag a day off school
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October 8, 2019 8:16am
- Jules99
  
  Well it was a bit nippy yesterday.
  
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  October 8, 2019 9:31am
Tempist

I do like the irony of so called climate activists blocking public transport on a thoroughfare the 180 years ago was underwater…
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October 8, 2019 8:17am
- RW Capitalist
  
  He He He….me too.
  Get the feeling we have anion to wait before they would be in danger of getting their feet wet.
  
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  October 8, 2019 8:50am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    anion= an ion
    
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    October 8, 2019 8:58am
    - Ed Snack
      
      an ion = an aeon ?
      
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      October 8, 2019 10:30am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Thank you, must be half asleep this morning to get it wrong twice.
        
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        October 8, 2019 10:58am
    - Fletch
      
      eon?
      
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      October 8, 2019 10:54am
- Brian Marshall
  
  I never even thought about that Tempist. When it’s put like that, it shows the hypocrisy of the ‘protestors’ at an epic level.
  
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  October 8, 2019 10:26am
Yvette

“Boss, a bunch of climate protesters have super-glued their hands to windows in our downstairs lobby, demanding we abandon our financial interests in fossil fuels – what should we reinvest in?”

“Super-glue”
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October 8, 2019 8:18am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Isn’t super glue made from Hydrocarbons?
  Isn’t the protest against hydrocarbons?
  Am I drawing a long bow here?
  
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  October 8, 2019 8:54am
  - Local Miller
    
    More like it’s made from an alcohol.
    
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    October 8, 2019 12:43pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Don’t tell them that…they’ll start drinking it.
      
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      October 8, 2019 1:04pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Fingers crossed 🙂
        
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        October 8, 2019 2:41pm
infused

lol at the standard poster here down voting everyone
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October 8, 2019 8:22am
Right of way is Way of Right

Goodness me, but the Greens come up with some “interesting” statements from time to time.

Such as:

We need to look at reducing the voting age from 18 to 16 because our young people have a voice and are mature enough to vote.

Followed by:

We need to introduce drug testing at festivals because young people can’t be trusted to make sensible decisions around taking illicit substances.

Does the Green party not do logic?
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October 8, 2019 8:23am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  The Act party commented that it was dangerous to take unknown pills supplied by strangers.
  As Libertarians, the ACT message is correct, but it is based on the notion that people are able to make good decisions and to act in their own best interests.
  
  Libertarians do not make good lifeguards.
  Cartoon: https://www.pinterest.jp/pin/525021269033284489/
  
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  October 8, 2019 8:32am
- srylands
  
  No or science.
  
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  October 8, 2019 8:33am
oldpark

Can or does one man make a difference. Lets visit TVNZ commonly known as Pravda One.
Been reading that the so called number one head honcho in that mostly fake news reporting,or even worse only one sided or half truths always favouring the left. The state owned TVNZs top dogs wages were approved to make sure he would not be embarrassed to be paid circa $1,500,000.
Yes that is almost the same amount that TVNZ was said to have made in so called profit in the past financial year.
Go figure that one . Yes one man can make a difference except who is pulling his strings and approving the huge wage . Two guesses an ex employee from that news media outlet joke . the ex employee is now a Labour MP.
No surprises here last i heard the Peters selected gang of no hopers at present incharge of our tax dollars are estatic with the type of news reporting,making sure with their fake news and half truths that the present Peters selected COL were born to rule.What a miscarriage of news reporting with plenty of suspected nepotism.Go figure.
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October 8, 2019 8:28am
- Bell-47
  
  I suspect you probably had your fill of communist rhetoric from TVNZ but I’d suggest if you really are at odds with the contents of your stomach, try a few minutes of TV3’s “the project” I guarantee your supper will be evacuated, projectile format, almost instantly.
  
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  October 8, 2019 10:25am
chaos

* A former high-ranking fighter pilot who chased a “Tic Tac”-shaped UFO off the coast of San Diego in 2004 has shared a chilling story of another pilot’s encounter with an enormous underwater object a decade earlier.

Retired US Navy pilot commander David Fravor first came forward in a bombshell New York Times article in December 2017, describing how his squadron witnessed a 747-sized object just under the surface of the water during training exercises in the Pacific Ocean, 160km off the coast of San Diego.*

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12274420
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October 8, 2019 8:29am
- Monique Watson
  
  If you’re a UFO what better place to park than underwater. Reasonable cloaking ability right there on a planet covered in water and little land mass. I go with the Zoo Hypothesis. Benign and omnipresent ETs.
  
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  October 8, 2019 8:36am
  - alloytoo
    
    Underwater it would cease to be a UFO and become a USO
    
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    October 8, 2019 6:55pm
- Swifty
  
  Release the kraken!
  
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  October 8, 2019 8:49am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  looked at this a few weeks back. There are some pretty conclusive debunking videos online. Obviously wind blown balloons and parallax in one case (can tell from data displayed on targeting display that object is far closer than pilots thought)
  
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  October 8, 2019 9:12am
  - chaos
    
    The Navi is calling them unidentified, so it would either be something they are testing and don’t want released or they don’t know
    
    *In a series of statements obtained exclusively by The Black Vault, the U.S. Navy confirms three UFO related videos represent what they call “unidentified aerial phenomena”*
    
    https://www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/u-s-navy-confirms-videos-depict-unidentified-aerial-phenomena-not-cleared-for-public-release/
    
    The executive summary is interesting reading, posted it a while ago to the idiot below but he shut up and had didn’t bother to read it.
    
    https://cropper.watch.aetnd.com/cdn.watch.aetnd.com/sites/2/2019/05/TIC-TAC-UFO-EXECUTIVE-REPORT_1526682843046_42960218_ver1.0-copy.pdf
    
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    October 8, 2019 12:01pm
- MH
  
  probably skipped by Harold Holt.
  
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  October 8, 2019 9:48am
- stephieboy
  
  chaos, this article casts serious doubt on US Navy Pilot David Fravor’s encounter with a UFO,
  
  https://skepticalinquirer.org/2018/05/navy_pilots_2004_ufo_a_comedy_of_errors/
  
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  October 8, 2019 10:07am
- Lance
  
  Secret footage of alleged underwater UFO emerging.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diLKuQ8WfVw
  
  And who said “how come there is no video evidence”?
  
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  October 8, 2019 10:24am
- Brian Marshall
  
  Joe Rogan’s got him on his latest podcast. I’m listening to it at the moment when I have spare time. It’s very interesting for those interested in UFO phenomena.
  
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  October 8, 2019 10:32am
Maggie Pie

One ZB this morning reporting, that despite the record seizure of the drug at our borders, the price of Meth in Auckland has dropped to an all time low of $450 per gram.

As my partner said, the silly thing is that it would “only take one word” from Simon’s CCP mate President Xi, to put a stop to this insidious trade of precursor chemicals being sent here from China, which are necessary for the production of Crystal Meth, Heroin, Cocane and MDMA 🙁

So why doesn’t he say it?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DtUHrohVAAA4a1z?format=jpg&name=small
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October 8, 2019 8:36am
- Ian Boag
  
  As far as meth is concerned, I think we are seeing import of finished product more than precursors.
  
  Why would you want to go to all the bother on making the stuff when you can just buy it …. ? Not sure if XP could do much about it …
  
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  October 8, 2019 9:35am
  - DigNap15
    
    I saw a doco on Al Jazeera about cocaine in Latin America and exporting it to the USA and Australia and NZ.
    They are sending it on yachts and make so much money that they can afford to throw a bag overboard if a patrol boat comes up
    
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    October 8, 2019 9:55am
  - Colville
    
    agreed.
    If its $450/g retail its $50,000 a kg wholesale? So half a mil$ in a paint bucket.
    
    Why would you put yourself at risk of making it here when you can make it in China where the chemicals are easy to get and the police/military are easy to bribe?
    
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    October 8, 2019 10:11am
    - wreck1080
      
      “Why would you put yourself at risk of making it here when you can make it in China”
      
      Logistics.
      
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      October 8, 2019 10:37am
- MCos
  
  From an article on Stuff less than a month ago
  
  “Detective Inspector Paul Newman of the National Organised Crime Group said the amount (of seized meth) was “extremely significant”.
  “Since July, Police and Customs have seized more than a tonne of methamphetamine around the country.”That overall figure is an extremely significant amount and represents well over a year’s worth of supply nationwide.” “
  
  Now we hear the stuff is cheap as chips and gang membership is soaring.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/115962079/two-in-court-for-significant-methamphetamine-haul-in-the-waikato
  
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  October 8, 2019 10:21am
Tall Man

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/10/08/847665/government-quietly-abandons-electric-vehicle-target

Typical hypocrisy. Do what I say although they generally have forgotten what they said two minutes later.
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October 8, 2019 8:39am
- Andrei
  
  No its not hypocrisy per se
  Rather it is an example of making policy without doing any groundwork on the economics or costs that policy let alone on whether it is actually possible in the real world to acheive it.
  
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  October 8, 2019 9:00am
  - Tall Man
    
    You mean lying?
    
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    October 8, 2019 11:39am
- sooty
  
  Oh dear! Another target shot up the gungadin!
  
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  October 8, 2019 9:10am
  - sooty
    
    I went back to read it again to see who,
    The twit Twyford was the person it came from.
    Another cockup from NZs biggest idiot!
    
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    October 8, 2019 9:14am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Along with ALL other measures of competence and success.
  To hide their, what is now, incompetence.
  
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  October 8, 2019 9:17am
- Inandout
  
  TM, it simply costs too much to subsidise eco warrior EV motorists. Thank goodness they will be taxed on an even playing field next year.
  
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  October 8, 2019 10:17am
- Bell-47
  
  Of 15,000 vehicles less than 0.5% are electric. More watermelon wet dreams down the gurgler…most excellent!
  
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  October 8, 2019 10:35am
rightoverlabour

The Russians are at it again. If this doesn’t stop we will have an Ice Age. Commy Bastards.

https://watchers.news/2019/10/06/sheveluch-eruption-october-6-2019/
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October 8, 2019 8:40am
- Bell-47
  
  “Ongoing activity at the volcano could affect international and low-flying aircraft”… but not the climate?
  
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  October 8, 2019 10:44am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Eruptions that push into the stratosphere can cool the planet. Pinotuba dropped the global average ( whatever that actually is) by about .5° C. There seems to be a causative correlation between solar minima and increased silica-rich erruptions as more Muons can penetrate to the mantle and activate these types of magmas.
    
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/234022172_Explosive_volcanic_eruptions_triggered_by_cosmic_rays_Volcano_as_a_bubble_chamber
    
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    October 8, 2019 2:17pm
Simon

Most of NZ society would collapse within 4 days without drivers and their trucks.
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October 8, 2019 8:45am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  This is true.
  
  We are only ever three square meals away from revolution.
  
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  October 8, 2019 9:00am
- chaos
  
  Only the townies, and do we really need them
  
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  October 8, 2019 9:02am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Yup – and the same without Nurses.
  
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  October 8, 2019 9:12am
- kowtow
  
  And starve without the farmers and their tractors.
  
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  October 8, 2019 9:51am
- Colville
  
  and all the pie shops will go broke…!
  
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  October 8, 2019 10:12am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Most NZers would become stunned mullets if the elektrikery was switched off.
  
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  October 8, 2019 2:37pm
Simon

Meth flooding into NZ at the same time Mexican gangs attempting to get a foot hold. Once they are in never get rid of them. Mexican gangs are the worst in the world.

All while Labour are soft on crime

Mexican gangs grabbing the opportunity that will be Labour’s legacy to crime
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October 8, 2019 8:55am
rightoverlabour

Snow? We have been warned our kids won’t see snow. The reality seems a little different…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNTaTzuJCGg
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October 8, 2019 8:58am
jcuk

As we are exhorted to vote in the local elections I wonder why?
I did and have all previous elections BUT when I saw the voting form with four or five elections and dozens of candidates, none of whom I had not heard of apart from the ex Mayor, good riddance thank you and not standing again. I nearly put the whole lot in the waste bucket.
Frankly if the turn out is below 20% I will not be suprised and suggest the whole system be looked at with the idea of making it easier and simpler.
Next time I doubt if I will bother for the first time in some sixty years.
As for the little booklet ‘to help us vote’ with every candidate saying pretty much the same thing … what a waste of effort.
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October 8, 2019 9:01am
UrbanNeocolonialist

Chinese govt are fucking monsters. Running concentration camps with systematic rape and murder and enslavement in what is a modern genocide:
https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2019/10/07/concentration-camp-survivors-china-using-forced-sterilization-abortion-for-genocide/
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October 8, 2019 9:08am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Come on, UN.
  Tell us what you really think. Don’t hold back.
  
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  October 8, 2019 7:34pm
RW Capitalist

Our clown car govt.s incompetence, goes global.
https://www.national.org.nz/new_zealand_exports_measles_to_the_us
But what could possibly go wrong, if you remove immunization targets???????????????
or any other targets for that matter.
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October 8, 2019 9:15am
lastmanstanding

I understand that over the past 500 years on 16 occasions 2 major powers have had serious differences.

In 12 cases 75% the result has been military conflict.
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October 8, 2019 9:19am
- srylands
  
  Would be interesting to see the list.
  
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  October 8, 2019 9:37am
- RW Capitalist
  
  As an asside
  (being an atheist, it interests me)
  Is the fact that both Napoleon and Hitler were both driven back from Moscow, largely by the weather (super cold winters) proof that there really is a god.
  If so Russians must be his chosen people?
  Global warming really is a myth, as these 2 events are basically either side of the industrial revolution (the start of man made climate change)?
  Just messing with ya………..I think?
  
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  October 8, 2019 10:51am
  - The only red for me is that of Manchester United
    
    The Russians are thankful to the Greeks for saving them. Because of the resistance put up by the Greeks the Greece campaign went on longer than the Germans wanted. This meant a delayed start to Operation Barbarossa. The invasion of the Soviet Union. If Hitler had invaded Russia earlier and before one of the coldest winters we could have had a different ending. And because New Zealanders fought in Greece we really did help shape the future world.
    
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    October 8, 2019 12:04pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Another close run thing.
      If Spain had come into the war, considering the aid given by Germany before the war.
      Gibraltar would have fallen, starving the allies of supplies in North Africa and allowing the French fleet to fall into German hands.
      Germany/ Italy push the allies off the Suez canal, which was the precursor for Turkey coming into the war on Germany’s side.
      Turkey have a border with Russia and ports on the black sea.
      The invasion of Russia could have been a very different thing indeed, with a very different outcome.
      
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      October 8, 2019 1:11pm
      - Jack5
        
        Spain sent a division and a air squadron to fight alongside the Germans in Russia, and the Italians were there, too, with Rumanians, Hungarians, and Bulgarians.
        
        Severe cold helped defenders, but bigger than General Winter in the defeat of the Germans was the no-retreat defence of the Russians who held a toehold in Stalingrad until Soviet troops encircled and destroyed the German 6th Army. The Germans suffered 850,000 casualties at Stalingrad.
        
        Wikipedia reports that the German Army had suffered almost three-quarters of a million casualties in Russia before the first winter.
        
        The spring thaw and autumn rains made quagmires of Russian mud roads, making transport more difficult for the Germans than in winter.
        
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        October 8, 2019 3:04pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      When the Germans invaded Greece they went through it like a dose of salts. The Greeks who had successfully defended against the Italians for some time were helpless before the Germans. The NZ division hardly fought at all in Greece and retired post haste to Crete.
      
      So I can’t see that the Greek campaign imposed much of a delay on operation Barbarossa, but maybe even a few weeks was enough.
      
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      October 8, 2019 5:05pm
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Only had to delay by 2 months.
        If the Italians had done the job, the Germans would not have been needed and would have been available for the earlier invasion of Russia.
        
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        October 8, 2019 6:22pm
MH

he should have been press-ganged onto the Endeavour given 10 lashes with the cat and then as protesters watched keel hauled just to show them true justice.
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October 8, 2019 9:22am
KH

Congratulations to Trump for getting the US out of Syria (as long as the military complex does not assassinate him prior) He was elected on a promise to end US stupid wars.
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October 8, 2019 9:22am
- pb
  
  Trump has flipped his neo-con handlers the bird. The Orange Cthulhu has broken his chains and has been given end boss power by the “impeachment” socialists and legacy media. Good times.
  
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  October 8, 2019 4:09pm
stephieboy

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Someone needs to shoulder tap Simon Bridges and his shadow Propaganda Minister

June 22nd 2017

“Meth is making gangs wealthier and better armed – and cops feel under siege.”

https://www.facebook.com/Stuff.co.nz/posts/meth-is-making-gangs-wealthier-and-better-armed-and-cops-feel-under-siege/10155468735589268/

“Police union warns politicians how close to breaking point police came in 2016”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/93950903/cops-union-warns-politicians-police-at-breaking-point-in-election-year-report?cid=facebook.post.93950903&fbclid=IwAR3apOGTTdLVB5rxAmazW8EjdXNC2uSDnGU4Saf16al6qZXU62wlhS7jXn0

Short memories indeed!
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October 8, 2019 9:39am
- Happychappy
  
  Stephie well instead of moaning about the opposition question Jacinda, Winston and Stuart Nash on where the 1500 extra police recruits are as they haven’t delivered anywhere near 1000 yet and don’t expect to have that number by the 2021 General Election. Instead of throwing money around on enquiries and working groups use that money to for fill your promises and take criminals off the street.
  
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  October 8, 2019 10:43am
- The King
  
  Because arresting teens for meanie memes on the internet is higher priority than meth.
  
  How much police resources went into the 35 arrests for sharing a video?
  
  Clown police.
  
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  October 8, 2019 11:19am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    If there had been a genuine “war on drugs”
    There would be
    napalm
    Jailed and dead gang members
    dead smugglers
    Confiscated or sunk boats that smuggle
    Long jail terms for possession.
    Seizure of assets of anyone remotely involved.
    Helping police in source countries with their efforts to stop export.
    Routing out corruption within the investigative and enforcement authorities of all countries involved.
    
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    October 8, 2019 6:28pm
- peterwn
  
  The Police Association now has one of their own in Parliament and what is he doing about it? Or has Labour adopted the Kiwi Keith rule and tell their newbie MP’s to breathe through their noses for the first three years.
  
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  October 8, 2019 12:08pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Unfortunately for Greg he’s not part of the “inner group”.
    
    It will take him a while but he will soon learn that he has no status or future in the lefty cuddle world.
    
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    October 8, 2019 2:38pm
MH

I heard one Pacifica reporter TV 1 mention with reference to James Cook R.N. the word atrocities and murder- not once in todays Heersayald do they give reasons for the shooting of maori on their many contacts, as one commentator on here has previously mentioned it was his duty to keep his Majesty’s vessel afloat, there being no tugboat or dry dock available and next issue was for the safety of his crew which was also paramount.
Any messages of regret to those sailors families butched by “friendly” natives. Any descendants of the crew represented there? Invited ?
Of all the bs about great navigators from the islands only one assembled in Gisborne had the ability and skill and training to go from A to B and return to A, I have yet so hear of any return voyages back to Tahiti etc Where are the goods that would have been traded if such an ability existed. Intermarriage and honeymoons back in Samoa, Fiji would have been high on Maori holiday lists. More likely Maori were outcasts and had reached a critical mass and were asked to pack there bags whilst others were simply blown off course and marooned here.
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October 8, 2019 9:42am
- MH
  
  notes from biographer Beaglehole on capt Cook- the mind of a “killer”.
  
  I must however give some illustration. Let us take first the moral predicament. You will remember Cook when he was first on the coast of New Zealand, at Poverty Bay. He wanted to get to know the Maoris—indeed he had to; he wanted to do it peacefully, for he hated shedding blood, and yet they were extraordinarily stand-offish and bellicose. In the morning of 10 October 1769 two men were shot on shore, and in the afternoon, out in the bay, a plan to take a canoe-load of fishermen and conciliate them by presents went wrong, and two or three more were killed. Now we have three accounts of this by Cook. The first is in his log, copied into the Greenwich MS. It is fairly matter-of-fact. The three young Maoris taken on board the ship, he says, “seem’d much less concerned at what had happen’d then I was myself. The second is in a fragment of draft. He tells what has happened, and then goes on,
  
  I can by no means justify my conduct in attacking and killing the people in this boat who had given me no just provication and was wholly igernorant of my design and had I had the least thought of their making any resistance I would not so much as have looked at them [,] but PAGE 4when we was once a long side of them we must either have stud to be knocked on the head or else retire and let them gone off in triumph [,] and this last they would of course have attributed to their own bravery and our timouressness.
  There you see he feels guilty and is reasoning with himself—with himself I think and not merely with a suppositious reader. He was responsible for his own men’s lives, after all, and for the successful completion of a voyage.
  
  ….nor the years condemn.
  
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  October 8, 2019 10:36am
Maggie Pie

Love him or loathe him – you must admit THE POTUS has a way with words 🙂

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1181232249821388801
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October 8, 2019 9:46am
- chaos
  
  Silly Donald don’t destroy the turkey you need it for thanks giving.
  
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  October 8, 2019 10:42am
  - Tall Man
    
    No shortage of turkeys in our coalition.
    
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    October 8, 2019 2:36pm
- MCos
  
  ‘my great and unmatched wisdom’
  ‘I will totally destroy and obliterate’
  
  Chap is plagiarising Bishop Brian
  
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  October 8, 2019 11:24am
MH

this was meant for previous discussion re Leef
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October 8, 2019 9:46am
Maggy Wassilieff

Deadly trouble in West Papua
https://www.rnz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/400430/over-11-500-flee-west-papua-town-after-clashes

I don’t think Islamic Jihadis will fix the problem
https://www.rnz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/400470/call-for-jihadis-to-go-to-west-papua-following-unrest
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October 8, 2019 9:50am
- cmm
  
  Time to train up the NZSAS as a hug squad and send them.
  
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  October 8, 2019 9:52am
  - igm
    
    Need to ask Hager and Maning first . . . they seem to be Labour’s defence reps.
    
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    October 8, 2019 9:59am
    - Inandout
      
      igm, I wish Hager would write a critical book on the Clinton Trust, and then the little twerp might disappear.
      
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      October 8, 2019 12:27pm
  - Michael
    
    I’m quite happy for the NZSAS to do reconnaissance, killing and illuminating targets for destruction.
    
    Urban or veld.
    
    Let’s get a few big baby drones so they can have good cover.
    
    Instead of 107 LAV’s why did we not buy a mixed bag of different Striker varients, Command, Medic, AA, Anti Tank, Arty to have self sufficient groups.
    
    107 seems good for an infantry regt, but we don’t have one of those and are more likely to be urban, terrorist or peace keeping functions?
    
    Maybe Kiwibloggers can inform me as to the best options.
    
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    October 8, 2019 10:13am
    - igm
      
      Was Mapp not responsible for a number of ridiculous purchases?
      Seems both political parties have made serious errors in purchasing military arms and equipment for army and navy.
      Should have also kept Skyhawks . . . better than nothing!
      
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      October 8, 2019 11:30am
  - Colville
    
    I think SAS train to hug you from behind.
    
    (With a Fairbairn-Sykes in one hand to do the business with.)
    
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    October 8, 2019 10:14am
- kowtow
  
  Extraordinary how little real coverage the genocide there is given by the MSM . Clearly not “sexy” enough.
  And it is a genocide while Indonesia floods it with colonists.
  
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  October 8, 2019 9:55am
- stephieboy
  
  MW, even greater reason to support the West Papuan struggle for independence ,
  
  Indonesia anger as West Papua independence raised at Pacific forum
  
  Breakaway leader Benny Wenda will use meeting in Tuvalu to push for UN vote on Jakarta’s control of province
  
  ” Human rights violations and political independence in West Papua are set to command debate at this week’s Pacific Islands Forum (PIF), where Papuan independence leader Benny Wenda will urge government leaders to support the “Free Papua” campaign amid recent escalating political violence.
  
  Exiled from Papua, but now an official representative attached to the Vanuatu government’s delegation, Wenda is campaigning for a United Nations general assembly resolution next year that will re-examine the controversial 1969 Act of Free Choice vote that formalised Indonesian control of the province….”
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/12/indonesia-angered-as-west-papua-independence-raises-its-head-at-pacific-forum
  
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  October 8, 2019 9:59am
  - Swifty
    
    Are there more Shia or Sunni in Iraq?
    
    What is a high-powered rifle?
    
    Why are you wrong all the time?
    
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    October 8, 2019 11:01am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    A bit late in the day to that party, stephieboy.
    
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-06/west-papua-why-australia-has-little-to-say/11573734
    
    Who do you think is going to tangle with Indonesia?
    
    Do you reckon the UN or other Pacific Nations will sort things out?
    
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    October 8, 2019 1:19pm
cmm

Another week another CoL virtue-signalling target craters.

This week it’s the EV target.

Are there any targets that are still in place, other than CinD4UN(+Nobel).

Everyone go hug a battery!
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October 8, 2019 9:51am
Shut the hell up you Fascist!

I am in Sydney staying in Chinatown.

The Extinction Rebellion came to town so I joined them (the family had gone to Bondi for the day).

Several protestors were arrested without much fuss for blocking the main road with their bums.

I spoke to one protestor. His concern was Australia’s rice production and legal fees (he was a builder in trouble and had spent $300,000 on legal costs, to which I sympathised).

“Really!”, I said. “Australia is the driest continent and nearly arid. Can’t you get your supplies from Thailand or the Phillipines?”

He thought not.

“Have you read the IPCC Report?” I asked.

He had.

“You will know then that the entire report is based upon probabilities”.

He did.

“Well” I said. “Isn’t it like a mathematician telling you that 2 plus 2 equals four – with a high level of probability? Or that three plus three equals seven with a low level of probability?”

“Good point” he said.

I also pointed out to him I was staying just down the road. “All the protestors are white yet everyone working today is brown and don’t seem to give a shit about the climate in 100 years.”

He had no reply to that.

Nice guy though. Seems he agrees with everyone!

Watched that awful thing called TV later to catch the news. The media were not sympathetic to The Cause.

NEW ZEALAND’S BIGGEST PROBLEM IS ITS MARXIST MEDIA MASTURBATORS.

Fix that, and we will live in God’s Own again.
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October 8, 2019 10:01am
- Inandout
  
  SF, a couple of weeks ago on a Saturday our free tram rides in Melbourne were disrupted by a small herd of climate protestors. The tram inspectors just informed everyone about the cancelled routes, but made no comment or got outraged. Westerners are so docile.
  
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  October 8, 2019 12:32pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Jeez, I’ve been called many things but never “docile”……
    
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    October 8, 2019 2:34pm
lifesgood

Mike Hosking, doing the job that no other journalists are prepared to do, got Jacinda severely rattled this morning. She sounded very nervous and close to breaking at the start of the interview but then started throwing a verbal tantrum. That famous temper on show.
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October 8, 2019 10:06am
- Fletch
  
  Yep, he was right. We have a govt that wants to introduce drug testing at music festivals so that punters can be sure they aren’t taking the wrong thing, and a govt that wants to legalize smoking pot. He is also right that these things lead on to harder drugs.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12274484
  
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  October 8, 2019 11:05am
- barnacle bill
  
  That is rubbish LG.
  
  I just watched it and she was certainly not rattled one little bit.
  She gave very clear answers to all his questions and opinions.
  
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  October 8, 2019 11:23am
  - Inandout
    
    bb, how can you ‘watch’ a radio interview? lol
    
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    October 8, 2019 12:34pm
    - barnacle bill
      
      Laugh at yourself Inandout.
      
      Go and look at the link above that Fletch posted.
      
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      October 8, 2019 1:15pm
      - Inandout
        
        bb, maybe I have an aversion to clicking on the Herald, probably.
        
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        October 8, 2019 5:16pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    But this is your cut and paste argument, to all JA does.
    
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    October 8, 2019 12:40pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Barnacle Bill Lol! predictable.
    
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    October 8, 2019 1:14pm
- Local Miller
  
  You can tell she is rattled when she starts being “personally offended”
  Hasn’t she learned that you can’t take things personally when you are in leadership? Especially at this level of leadership.
  
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  October 8, 2019 1:07pm
info@cruzpro.com

The Retirement Commissioner has suggested that pensioners who continue to work after retirement should be taxed at a higher rate than those working but not of retirement age.

So you work your entire life, reach retirement age, find that superannuation doesn’t cover your expenses and you have to continue to work in order to supplement your superannuation. Not really that unusual but now you get to pay income tax at a higher rate. Go figure!
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October 8, 2019 10:27am
- igm
  
  The harridan has to find some way to keep parents of the families of her new found (only) friends of islam . . . she must be tossed out on her ear next election . . . preferably earlier.
  
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  October 8, 2019 11:25am
  - MH
    
    Nobel or second option – what scarf will she pick for the cover of Time Mags most influential person of the year. A Yasser Arafat tea towel or plain ?
    
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    October 8, 2019 12:25pm
    - Tall Man
      
      In keeping with the climate change protesting fuckwits, I’d like to suggest a brown paper bag which would need to be as empty as her head.
      
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      October 8, 2019 2:32pm
- Tall Man
  
  Probably just a set up so “what’s in it for wynston” can knock it back and get more votes.
  
  We are being conned, well they’re trying to, by these pricks and liars every day.
  
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  October 8, 2019 11:29am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Wife just applied for the pension.
  If you work as well, your earned income is taxed as “Secondary earnings” not sure but isn’t that at the top tax rate?
  So the harder you work, the higher your taxes.
  Which means, if this clown gets his way ALL your income will be taxed at the top rate of tax.
  
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  October 8, 2019 11:30am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The PAYE codes are not final. The actual tax has to be determined when the whole income is known. It’s a guess meantime.
    
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    October 8, 2019 12:52pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Since what quote above is word for word what we were told (yes I was there). Maybe you should train the staff.
      
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      October 8, 2019 1:16pm
  - Local Miller
    
    But you would get a Tax Return at the end of the financial year if your net tax was higher than required. This is the big argument about secondary TAX that a lot of people with duel (or more) incomes don’t seem to understand.
    
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    October 8, 2019 1:11pm
  - Local Miller
    
    As it is, if you are working you get less Super!
    
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    October 8, 2019 1:12pm
    - cmm
      
      Is that true? I thought the super was the same. You might get extra top-ups though.
      
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      October 8, 2019 1:23pm
    - ex-golfer
      
      Wrong. The gross rate of Super does not change if you are working.
      You get less in the hand because you will be paying a higher tax rate.
      Thats no different from any form of secondary income.
      
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      October 8, 2019 3:15pm
- peterwn
  
  This is what the Bolger government effectively did in the 1990’s and this gave Winston a foot in the door.
  The proposers seem to be hoping that a higher tax on ‘other’ income is more palatable than the 1990’s situation where the higher tax was applied to the super itself where there was other income. The Bolger government did it this way so they could honour a pledge not to ‘means test’ super.
  
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  October 8, 2019 12:00pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Super has always been taxed as part of overall personal income. Some times the tax rates have been such that the codes had to be different where a persons had two or more sources of income subject to PAYE. Special tax codes are available if anomalies occur.
    
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    October 8, 2019 12:50pm
    - peterwn
      
      Except it washes up at the end of the tax year especially with IRD’s new system.
      With the Retirement Commissioner’s proposal, the higher rate of tax on the ‘other’ income would stick and not be subject to refunds.
      I doubt that IRD would be delighted with the Retirement Commissioner’s proposal, since it makes the tax issue and its enforcement more complex. IRD would probably prefer that super payments themselves are adjusted rather than have tax tweaks for political reasons.
      
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      October 8, 2019 2:17pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Keep the amateurs out of it–the COl is bad enough.If a high income person gets Super 48%,
        at least, is coming back in tax.
        
        The Retirement Commisar does little beyond adding to the public payroll costs. A functioning tax system has a very complex set of relationships with the govt as well as it’s administration. Leave well enough alone. Govts can do what people can not.
        
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        October 8, 2019 3:41pm
- Ian Boag
  
  Well yes and no. You work all your life and find that the pension is not enough to maintain your lifestyle. Some would say that a lifetime of work should have involved assembling some sort of nest egg for your old age.
  
  Anyway, you still get the pension even if you haven’t worked all your life so haven’t paid much tax. You get it if you have worked and been in a position to minimise your tax.
  
  There is no “pension fund” and no connection between how much tax you have paid and how much pension you get …. It’s a benefit that is funded by the children of the pensioners’ generation. The ones with student loans and house price multiples at historic highs ….
  
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  October 8, 2019 12:28pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The best “pension fund” is a well managed economy. Funds have to provide for payment in NZ dollars so overseas “investment” means taking exchange risks and also jeopardising our balance of payments. Govts must be able to control that. The investment in productive assets in NZ is the best way to grow the national savings pie. Allocation of pensions through the budget is the lowest cost way of distribution.
    Any Funds reduce the potential payout by inherent ticket clipping. That’s why fund managers all clamour for private ones for their benefit.
    
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    October 8, 2019 3:52pm
- MCos
  
  That’s not quite what he said.
  The suggestion was somewhat more nuanced than that.
  From the article
  Gareth Kiernan, chief forecaster at Infometrics, said the idea had merit.
  “There’s no good reason for NZ Super to be universal,” he said.”It’s clearly recognised that the current situation is unsustainable, but neither Labour nor National have shown the guts to address the looming fiscal problem.”
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/116398107/retirement-commissioner-higher-tax-rate-for-working-pensioners-worth-considering
  
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  October 8, 2019 1:06pm
- Steve Todd
  
  Not quite, cruzpro. As All_on_Red would say, you didn’t read the report, did you?
  
  Susan St. John has been advocating her “clawback” proposal in respect of *wealthy* pensioners for 10 or more years now. It is a proposal that I support.
  
  Hers and Claire Dale’s report can be accessed here: https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2019/10/tax-high-earning-pensioners-more-to-reduce-superannuation-costs-retirement-commissioner.html, then click on *report* in paragraph 2.
  
  The actual proposal starts at page 46. Best-case scenario (Tax Scenario 2): the NZ Super Grant is fully phased out for those who earn over $176,500 p.a. of other income.
  
  It is a very interesting read.
  
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  October 8, 2019 1:22pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Political suicide: little gain. The Number of people involved are relatively small, half or more of nay super is already swallowed in tax. They are actual taxpayers who have contributed more than most over a very long time. Recognising that will not ruin any budget but will impact their goodwill.
    
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    October 8, 2019 3:59pm
  - info@cruzpro.com
    
    If you work past retirement you pay more tax which helps pay the cost of superannuation. Seems to me that being taxed more would be a dis-incentive to work thereby placing that extra burden on non retirees.
    
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    October 9, 2019 11:38am
- Muzza M
  
  They did this to my Father with what was called Superannuation surcharge. He had investment income so was just about giving back all his pension. He loaned 4 of his children $50,000 to but our first houses. We paid him interest monthly and I very much doubt he ever declared it. He’s been gone now for 5 years so I guess he is safe.
  
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  October 8, 2019 2:17pm
  - Pharmachick
    
    Bless!
    
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    October 8, 2019 4:30pm
Cobolt24

Cratering Business Sentiment Sees NZD Trapped in Bear Channel

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-05/cratering-business-sentiment-sees-kiwi-trapped-in-bear-channel
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October 8, 2019 10:38am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  No worries…
  we’ve got money to burn
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/400515/govt-surplus-increases-to-7-point-5-billion
  
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  October 8, 2019 1:11pm
- cmm
  
  The 7.5 bn surplus is astounding given they are spending like drunken sailors.
  
  The photo stuff use is fitting. Robbo looks absolutely surprised.
  
  This means they are way, way, over taxing. No wonder business confidence is down. They’re squeezing too hard.
  
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  October 8, 2019 1:21pm
  - Tall Man
    
    This was part of National’s projections which is why they were proposing tax relief.
    
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    October 8, 2019 2:27pm
Surely Knott

I see Paula Bennett is reporting on her medical marijuana trip to Canada. I’ve also just came back from a family trip to Canada. In the outer rural ski villages it is beautiful and healthy towns most with a cannabis store. But in Downtown Vancouver, they have a massive heroin/ fentanyl problems. The BBC called Vancouver Drug Central of North America. Blocks from our upmarket hotel was a needle bin and junkies warming their heroin on spoons in the doorways, medical gloves and needle wrappers a regular site on the footpath and the smell of urine and cannabis was widespread on the street. We accidently walked our family down East Van on the way to a tourist attraction and gave our teenagers an eye opening exposure to heroin fueled mental illness, and makeshift tents set all along the street. This butts up right next to their most affluent hip shopping district where you see the expensive cafes with homeless junkies sleeping in the doorways. Well you get this in most big cities Vancouver’s was more extreme. Also its interesting because Auckland and Vancouver are so similar culturally, and politically. Canada is held up as the liberal example of how good Cannabis laws can be but they have some serious problems. Kids were regularly exposed to cannabis stores, advertising and people smoking it in the doorways and streets in the middle of the day..

Second point of interest is that black market cannabis sales still makeup around 80% of sales as it’s cheaper and people prefer to buy their favourite boutique strain locally grown rather than government approved strains. Removing the black market is held up as one of the key reasons we should look at change.
https://qz.com/1605614/canadas-black-market-for-weed-is-thriving-even-after-legalization/

It’s good that Paula B. is in Canada. We should be watching and learning from Canada before we rush in.
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October 8, 2019 10:39am
- RW Capitalist
  
  “It’s good that Paula B. is in Canada. We should be watching and learning from Canada before we rush in.”
  and there in lies the difference.
  National focused on what actually gets the job done.
  Labour focused solely on the way they can spin it to get votes.
  
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  October 8, 2019 11:10am
Swifty

For Aucklanders – cheap eats:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/food-wine/116395783/the-metro-top-50-cheap-eats-in-auckland-2020–everything-under-20

My foodie daughter and I have been to plenty on this list – there are none I would not recommend.
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October 8, 2019 10:45am
- alex Masterley
  
  Oh yes.
  I live in Sandringham so we are blessed with the variety of what is really street food in the area. And Bo’s dumplings in morningside are super good.
  
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  October 8, 2019 1:58pm
  - Swifty
    
    I was in Kenneth Ave for years….
    
    Just took the kids to lunch at Sim’s Kitchen, Hillsborough (one of the 50 on Metro’s list)
    
    Food very good and not expensive.
    
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    October 8, 2019 4:50pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Swifty:
  
  For Aucklanders – cheap eats
  …
  My foodie daughter and I have been to plenty on this list – there are none I would not recommend.
  
  Stephieboy recommends Robert Harris at St Lukes! Apparently the coffee is good and the other customers are friendly.
  
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  October 8, 2019 6:30pm
Swifty

A request if I may – where can I get ‘pure grain alcohol’ for a recipe I wish to do?

Pharmachick?
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October 8, 2019 11:20am
- KevO'Brien
  
  How strong do you need it? Alcohol cares little what starch is fermented to produce it. If it is pure it should be just ethanol and water with all the hazardous after products filtered out. I used to make my own with a home made reflux column still that was over 90% ethanol by volume–legal in NZ.
  
  Commercial vodka of medium (40%/vol) strength is available. “Surgical Spirit”, 70% ethanol, may not be free of toxic impurities.
  
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  October 8, 2019 12:40pm
- Swifty
  
  Thanks KevOB.
  
  90% plus – for limoncello.
  
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  October 8, 2019 1:07pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    You seem to be muddling alcohol proof and alcohol%.
    
    A 100 proof alcohol is a spirit with 50% alcohol content.
    
    A limoncello recipe could use 100 proof vodka or 90 proof (about 45% alcohol content).
    
    But if your recipe really requires 90% alcohol, you’ll be searching to locate anything reputable in NZ, I reckon.
    
    https://spoonuniversity.com/lifestyle/the-5-strongest-vodkas-in-the-world
    
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    October 8, 2019 1:39pm
    - Colville
      
      Companies (and hobbyists?) that make fortified wines like Port must use clean pure alcohol.
      
      Where do they buy it?
      
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      October 8, 2019 2:09pm
      - peterwn
        
        You either distill it or purchase it. I think fortified wine makers distil their own. You would need a Customs licence and pay excise duty. Customs would also actively monitor stills including locking or sealing critical items. There are also liquor licensing requirements to consider. Universities, hospitals and the like can probably buy small quantities of pure ethanol duty free for legitimate research and similar purposes.
        
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        October 8, 2019 3:55pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        It can be distilled. That yields up to about 95% alcohol by volume, beyond that it’s a chemical process to remove the water. There are some specialist suppliers.
        Ultra strong spirit still has to be cleaned and treatment with activated charcoal is necessary as well as filtration. Purified water is also required to break it down.
        Any spirit beyond 45%/vol (90 proof) is basically undrinkable. At that strength it is possible to make liquors. A 90° proof alcohol is good for kitchen use. That can finish out at 50° when diluted.
        I understand that fortified wines have higher% distilled wines (brandies) added. Those would still have residual flavours but not the toxic higher alcohols.
        
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        October 8, 2019 4:19pm
  - Swifty
    
    Thanks all.
    
    I think I’ve found some:
    
    https://spirits.net.nz/product/high-strength-food-grade-alcohol-for-your-home-made-limoncello-750ml/
    
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    October 8, 2019 3:35pm
- cmm
  
  Pure grain alcohol just means unflavoured ethanol. It need not be made from grain.
  
  Just use unflavoured vodka (ie. not gin, RTDs etc).
  
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  October 8, 2019 1:18pm
- Pharmachick
  
  Sorry – that’s illegal any way you wash it (I tell you where, you buy 200 proof w/out a license (*if* you can – doubtful), or I send it to you or I tell you how to make it….) So, NOPE, sorry.
  
  For the record, one version Bundaberg Rum used to be imported from Australia in the late 90s and was far too far over 100 proof for comfort. And for rugby boys fighting after a few…
  
  Anyhow, the 200 proof I have is extracted through a method that leaves significantly toxic levels of sulfur in the finished product.
  
  I guess that one could always buy the medical grade 70% (140 proof) and dilute accordingly… from a pharmacy (if hey still sell that stuff in NZ – genuinely dont know).
  
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  October 8, 2019 4:36pm
- Nutta
  
  Ask someone to do you Everclear from the US… A bottle goes a long way…
  
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  October 9, 2019 12:02am
- Rachael Membery
  
  There are grain vodkas at bottle stores.
  
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  October 9, 2019 4:06am
Fletch

A Kiwi home schooled 14-year old starts up his own ISP, providing the internet to rural customers and at the cheapest price he can.

“Some of my mentors said you could charge a lot more for this and people would still buy it,” Stewart said. “But that’s not what I want to do.

“I’m doing it because I want to do something for these people. I get a real kick out of knowing that I’m helping people.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/116299044/teenager-creates-company-to-get-highspeed-network-to-rural-communities
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October 8, 2019 11:42am
- cmm
  
  Not really. He has started a company and has made a business plan. No actual data moved yet.
  
  I think he will find some unexpected technical challenges that he has overlooked which are likely to make reality a lot more challenging than his dream.
  
  Still, good on him for giving it a go.
  
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  October 8, 2019 1:14pm
Shut the hell up you Fascist!

The BIG picture. Shouldn’t it be the other way around???

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lowest_temperature_recorded_on_Earth (1983)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highest_temperature_recorded_on_Earth (1913)
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October 8, 2019 11:42am
Wired-one

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12274484

This government is soft on crime and what a pleasure it was in finally seeing Ardern being properly scrutinized. Our media should take a lead out of Mike’s book and interview all politicians more forcibly, not be sycophants like many are currently.
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October 8, 2019 11:44am
- peterwn
  
  Except the Herald’s take here is rather Arden biased.
  
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  October 8, 2019 12:50pm
chaos

Cousin it gets a make over?

* A picture of an elaborate hairstyle has gone viral on social media, but probably not for the reason the hairdresser wanted. ….

Instead, social media users were quick to point out that the style made the woman’s head resemble a human penis.

“I must be tired because I thought this was the throbbiest of penises,” one woman wrote.

“It wasn’t until I read your tweet that I realised it wasn’t,” another replied.

Other Twitter users called the style “ugly” and joked that something must be wrong with their minds because they assumed it was a penis before even considering it could be someone’s head. *

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/lifestyle/2019/10/internet-mistakes-woman-s-elaborate-hairstyle-for-penis.html
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October 8, 2019 11:46am
Local Miller

A question for the legal eagles.

Is DPF more at risk of being sued with or without blog moderation? My logic being once you introduce moderation, you are essentially “approving” all posts, so if an inappropriate comment gets through, DPF is now accountable. Without moderation, a disclaimer would be enough protection surely. As in “Except where comments are made by the blog owner (DPF), the blog owner does not necessarily agree with or endorse comments made.”
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October 8, 2019 12:33pm
- Ian Boag
  
  I guess you could get a “legal opinion” here from an anonymous KB contributor. They do say free advice is worth what you pay for it. Dunno where we go about anonymous free advice ….
  
  I don’t know how/why DPF got to where he did, but I would imagine he researched it pretty extensively. He did post an explanation at the time which sounded pretty reasonable.
  
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  October 8, 2019 1:05pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    “He did post an explanation at the time which sounded pretty reasonable.”
    
    Yes, he did, and here it is: https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/03/kiwiblog_content_and_comments.html.
    
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    October 8, 2019 1:45pm
- peterwn
  
  A disclaimer is inadequate. If DPF knew or should have known that inappropriate comments were being made, liability would start pointing in his direction. This is especially if DPF cannot identify the poster concerned. If DPF knows or should have known that inappropriate comments are being posted he is expected to do something about it.
  This sort of argument is similar to Kim Dotcom’s argument that he did not know that the movies were being uploaded to Megaupload was in breach of copyright. The Feds do not accept this nor in due course is the Federal District Judge at Alexandria, VA likely to either.
  
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  October 8, 2019 3:36pm
Maggie Pie

I just dropped off a couple of KrispyKremes to my partners mum to have for her lunch. When I was there I got talking to her elderly neighbor who was telling me that as a 17 year-old he joined the French Resistance towards the end of WW11. He was lamenting the fact that in his day they never had Vagina Hats or Superglue.
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October 8, 2019 12:40pm
- MCos
  
  The French Resistance blew stuff up and killed people.
  Probably more appropriate for the situation they were dealing with.
  
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  October 8, 2019 1:27pm
- Tall Man
  
  But they got to play with these 😉
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d12AjvEsaHg
  
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  October 8, 2019 2:12pm
  - sooty
    
    Yep. They were allowed to play with things that went bang and boom, those days, even fully automatic guns! Todays snowflakes would run s mile!
    
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    October 8, 2019 3:44pm
Prince

John Campbell asked Ardern about he report this morning.

No, sorry, he didn’t.
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October 8, 2019 12:42pm
Doug

More fake News from the Horrid and they expect you to pay for it.

Trump taxes: President ordered to turn over returns to Manhattan DA
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October 8, 2019 12:53pm
- Ed Snack
  
  Another court has issued an injunction against the release, pending an appeal against the first decision.
  
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  October 8, 2019 5:18pm
barnacle bill

Oh No, how dare they get such a huge surplus ?

Crown accounts: Government’s $7.5b surplus is the biggest since 2008 GFC .

What will the National Syco,s moan about now here on KB.
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October 8, 2019 1:25pm
- chaos
  
  And you didn’t read the article or have comprehension did you
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/116405734/massive-75-billion-surplus-shows-room-for-tax-cuts-and-spending
  
  * But this year’s surplus was messy, with $2.6 billion of it coming from a revision to the way Treasury treats KiwiRail – in effect a surplus on paper, and roughly $1 billion coming from a change to the way IRD books taxes.*
  
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  October 8, 2019 1:37pm
  - Tall Man
    
    An idiot read and comprehend? You expect far too much from the lefties.
    
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    October 8, 2019 2:09pm
  - igm
    
    There is also no mention of the fact that there is no component mentioning borrowing or amount borrowed (and from where) for their ridiculous housing programme . . . we are, if all debits are detailed, broke!
    
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    October 8, 2019 2:48pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      If we were “broke” (whatever that means for a sovereign state) I doubt that Treasury would have been silent on the issue.
      
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      October 8, 2019 4:20pm
      - Tall Man
        
        The Housing Corp debt is hidden and I’d love to see a realistic valuation of Kiwi Rail assets.
        
        The “extra” income for the state is slightly overstated because of these “treatments” but it was not a surprise which is why tax relief was in the pipeline from National.
        
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        October 8, 2019 4:43pm
      - igm
        
        Maybe it is time you studied a little economics . . . it is a simple basic fiscal structure!
        
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        October 9, 2019 7:53am
  - DigNap15
    
    Don’t forget the 3.5 billion in Housing NZ loans they forgot to include!
    There is not surplus!
    
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    October 8, 2019 5:30pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      I’m confused.
      
      There is a surplus declared – Treasury presumably were involved in the sums. So this will have been calculated the same way these things have always been calculated.
      
      Anyway the announcement of the surplus has provoked calls for tax cuts etc.
      
      Now we have eminent people from KBEconomics who believe that the numbers have been fudged and there is no surplus. So I guess tax cuts won’t work and there is no extra money for health etc. Too bad.
      
      As far as the HNZ stuff goes – there is apparently some off balance-sheet borrowing. Money from a loan is not income and the HNZ debt has nothing to do with any surplus/deficit. It belongs in the “net asset value” bit of the balance sheet. Surpluses and deficits are cashflow issues, debt is a balance sheet issue. Accounting 101.
      
      Running a business one can figure profit or loss. If I decide to borrow to buy a new car, the interest affects the profit/loss but the sum borrowed does not. The balance sheet will show a new liability (the loan) and a new asset (the car). Hopefully the two numbers will start off about the same.
      
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      October 8, 2019 6:03pm
      - Tall Man
        
        But when “company” A borrows the money for the car then lists the car as an asset of “company” B the fun starts.
        
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        October 8, 2019 6:06pm
- mandk
  
  How about the CoL’s spiteful decision to abolish the tax cuts that could easily have been afforded?
  
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  October 8, 2019 2:02pm
- Tall Man
  
  I wonder how long it takes for the “good” decisions to flow on…… which is why National was offering a tax rebate for all Kiwis.
  
  Conversely I also wonder how long it takes for the “poor” decisions to flow through and who will be the most severely impacted……. but then you don’t care do you as long as “your” party is in government results aren’t important.
  
  What a shame you’re too stupid to realise that ardern and her dishonest assistants aren’t actually in charge… the old drunk is.
  
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  October 8, 2019 2:07pm
  - barnacle bill
    
    [Mod – deleted. Lay off the abuse]
    
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    October 8, 2019 2:24pm
    - barnacle bill
      
      But it is OK for that other guy to write basically the same thing , above about others, is it ?
      
      Seems very one eyed to me.
      
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      October 8, 2019 3:15pm
      - chaos
        
        People are only replying to your idiotic comment calling people here national Sycos, apart from your spelling don’t pretend the policy here is one eyed when you trolled for a reaction
        
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        October 8, 2019 3:37pm
      - barnacle bill
        
        Chaos, you are always good for a laugh, at your own expense..
        [sycophantˈsikəˌfant, ˈsikəfənt]
        
        NOUN
        a person who acts obsequiously toward someone important in order to gain advantage.
        
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        October 8, 2019 4:09pm
      - chaos
        
        So you just proved my point you couldn’t spell it properly until it was pointed out to you. And even then you had to google and copy and paste, thanks for proving my point
        
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        October 8, 2019 4:29pm
      - Tall Man
        
        “that other guy”….
        
        FFS, my name is right above your post.
        
        By the way, I wasn’t being abusive… just stating a fact which is as plain as the blank look now on your face.
        
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        October 8, 2019 4:39pm
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  Oh, I dunno, what about….
  
  Why have you taxed us so much for a plan that you have failed to deliver, in fact, you have failed so dismally, you don’t even know how to start delivering, meanwhile you hold on to BILLIONS of dollars of OUR money while nationwide infrastructure projects wither and die.
  
  Meanwhile, Shane Jones continues to account for millions of dollars in his blatant vote buying exercise in Northland.
  
  This Labour led coalition cancelled a series of tax cuts because they said they couldn’t afford it. Looks like they could have, and this is indicative of poor planning. You don’t find 7.5 billion down the back of the sofa!
  
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  October 8, 2019 2:08pm
- slightlyrighty
  
  Well, all those teachers and doctors and nurses etc who were on strike and were told “There is no more money” are going to be pissed!!
  
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  October 8, 2019 2:32pm
  - chaos
    
    How about all the patients who have been shoved off the list that have been told there is no money for their elective operations.
    
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    October 8, 2019 3:10pm
- rangitoto
  
  Excellent. Cindy can now scrap the fuel tax hikes and reinstate the Bill English tax cuts. You hear that Cindy, stop the fleecing.
  
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  October 8, 2019 3:02pm
- Swifty
  
  Read the article Bill – before you open your trap.
  
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  October 8, 2019 3:39pm
- ex-golfer
  
  Any Government that crows over a surplus of this size simply proves they are the greatest thieves of all – fleecing more tax out of the citizens of the country than required.
  
  Tell me again, why was the regional fuel tax needed?
  
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  October 8, 2019 6:33pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  To take the raw numbers
  This means that CoL are taking $7,5b more of OUR money but not using it to benefit us.
  Isn’t that commonly called…..theft or fraud?
  Grant just doesn’t get it…it’s not his money, it’s ours.
  Just maybe, if he hadn’t taken $7.5b more than needed, our economy would not be falling toward recession.
  
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  October 8, 2019 6:36pm
Jack5

for those who think Jacinderella may head off the disturbed Swedish girl …

The Norwegian Nobel Committee is scheduled to announce the 2019 Nobel Peace Prize winner at 5am Saturday (NZ time).

Nominations officiallly closed before the Christchurch mosques massacre and the new children’s crusade, so maybe next year they will be in consideration.
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October 8, 2019 1:42pm
- sooty
  
  That’s Cindy rooted then.
  Branton Tarrant was still liked then.
  Cindy didn’t have the teatowel on her head!
  
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  October 8, 2019 3:40pm
chaos

Hmmmmmm

https://www.fec.gov/data/candidate/P00003392/?tab=raising&cycle=2018&election_full=False

https://www.fec.gov/data/candidate/P00003392/?tab=raising&cycle=2020&election_full=False
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October 8, 2019 2:13pm
- stephieboy
  
  chaos,
  
  “Hmmmmmm”
  
  Whats the issue?
  
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  October 9, 2019 11:15am
softail 1450

FFS, I hope some pointy heads at the treasury are getting sacked,how the fuck did they miscalculate the surplus by 3 or 4 billion dollars it shows what a circus our system actually is…
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October 8, 2019 2:24pm
- chaos
  
  Question is why did they change the way they value KiwiRail, did they decide to do this or were they told to
  
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  October 8, 2019 2:53pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    A spike in scrap metal prices perhaps.
    
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    October 8, 2019 3:20pm
  - Tricati
    
    Also doesn’t account for SOE debt which has been ramped up. Take away the creative Kiwirail accounting, the revised IRD approach and include SOE debt, things don’t look so sharp.
    Maybe some sharp economist will ask some real questions.
    
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    October 8, 2019 5:15pm
    - Tall Man
      
      I think you’ve been warned before about not using (sarc)…… 😉
      
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      October 8, 2019 6:09pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Also with near zero economic growth
      It’s a bit like quitting your job to live of your savings.
      Didn’t Cullen brag about surplus’ and lower debt?
      Only to leave the cupboard bare and a recession.
      Looks similar to me.
      
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      October 8, 2019 6:39pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      Accounting 101.
      
      Debt is not part of deficit/surplus. If debt is incurred to buy something then the balance sheet gets two new entries – a liability (the loan) and an asset (what it bought). Should be about the same so net effect on balance sheet is (roughly) zip.
      
      Profit/loss (surplus/deficit) is the difference between balance sheet values at the beginning and end of a period.
      
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      October 8, 2019 7:12pm
      - rangitoto
        
        Kiwi Rail an asset. Lol. Those sort of assets are just as much liabilities as debt.
        
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        October 8, 2019 7:30pm
      - Suze Wainwright
        
        Accounting 301.
        
        Client: What does 2 + 2 equal?
        Accountant: What would you like me to make it equal?
        
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        October 8, 2019 8:02pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        @rangi
        
        I don’t pretend to know how the value was arrived at. I doubt that you do either. Scepticism is OK, but based on zip real knowledge ….
        
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        October 8, 2019 8:03pm
- Jack5
  
  Part of the increase is a $2.6 billion gain in the value of the rail nework due to a change of valuation.
  
  A “paper profit”.
  
  Much of the rest comes from rising population, which pushes up GDP, but unless there is comparable economic growth reduces GDP per capita.
  
  Meanwhile, I think NZ’s total external debt, public and private, is about $US1.5 billion short of $US200 billion. That’s about $NZ315 billion at current exchange rates. (Hope my translation from scientific notation is correct.)
  
  That puts the internal Government surplus in perspective.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt
  
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  October 8, 2019 5:18pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Since GDP is looking at falling below 1%
    “Much of the rest comes from rising population, which pushes up GDP, but unless there is comparable economic growth reduces GDP per capita.”
    Means we are in deep shit.
    
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    October 8, 2019 6:41pm
    - Jack5
      
      Some detail on the rail revaluation that has boosted the Government’s financial statements (this is from the Government’s June 30 year financial statements):
      
      Following a review to consider the context of KiwiRail’s purpose within a multi modal transport system, the underlying assumption of the benefits of rail were reframed as: “Rail enables access and mobility, transporting
      people and goods to where they need to go, supporting productivity and business growth, reducing emissions, congestion and road deaths, and strengthening social and cultural connections between communities”. As a consequence, a valuation for the rail freight network that only reflected its cash generating potential was no longer appropriate.
      
      These financial statements include the valuation of all the rail infrastructure using an Optimised Depreciated Replacement Cost method. To the extent that the assets deliver public benefits and would be replaced, a replacement cost approach is used, depreciated to reflect the extent the assets are through their useful lives. The valuation is ‘optimised’ by reporting components within the network that do not produce benefits, as surplus assets that are measured at their recoverable amount.
      
      Fiscal impacts
      
      The impact is to increase the value of the rail freight network to $6.3 billion compared to a value of $1.0 billion that would have been reported under the previous basis.
      
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      October 8, 2019 9:12pm
chaos

More leaks, this will be doing their frail leaders mind in, a coup against peters perhaps

* There has been a further leak of internal NZ First documents, including highly confidential lists of party members and a complaint alleging that local members were ignored in the selection of the 2017 Tamaki candidate.

The leaked material also includes a mock-up of a hoarding which the source said had been intended for the 2017 campaign, but was vetoed “because of racist implications”.*

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12274634
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October 8, 2019 3:21pm
- Swifty
  
  National should email every NZF supporter offering them free membership…..
  
  🙂
  
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  October 8, 2019 4:55pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Who is advising Government Departments about placing confidential information with External providers?
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2019/10/confidential-information-at-risk-after-computer-stolen-from-commerce-commission.html

Have we got any further with discovering how the Min of Culture & Heritage let out a contract to an external provider who seemed to lack security knowhow.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/115927738/tuia-250-data-breach-review-to-probe-relationship-between-ministry-and-it-provider?
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October 8, 2019 4:00pm
- chaos
  
  Perhaps Hillary Clinton is advising them
  
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  October 8, 2019 4:27pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Come on, get with the fucking programme.
    
    Repeat after me…
    
    “It’s Trump’s fault and if not him it’s John Key’s fault and if not him it has to be the new bastard Boris’s fault”
    
    No one from the left ever fucks up… or down as some have alleged and ardern always tells the truth… in her head.. it’s her mouth that lets her down.
    
    😉
    
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    October 8, 2019 6:13pm
Happychappy

It sounds like Winston First and his Party could lose a few members if their names are on the list that has been leaked as names and data have been sent to opposition parties.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/116409225/major-leak-of-nz-first-membership-database-exposes-personal-details.
I bet Peter’s will be on the war path over this and obviously will be looking for someone to afflict utu on.
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October 8, 2019 4:25pm
- Tricati
  
  Bloody Paula Bennett – I see another law suite coming.
  
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  October 8, 2019 5:11pm
  - Raphael
    
    It was sent to Paula Bennett and to the Media in the same email. She didn’t leak it.
    
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    October 8, 2019 9:03pm
    - Tall Man
      
      “Tongue in cheek”……. You know, humour?
      
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      October 8, 2019 9:44pm
chaos

Oooooo, more

*A massive leak of NZ First members’ personal details has been sent to news media in a major privacy breach.

The databases sent include the names, occupation, phone numbers, addresses, and paid membership status of more than a thousand people affiliated with the political party – including Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters and his partner Jan Trotman.

The information was sent along with a bundle of other documents in an email to Stuff, several other media outlets, and MPs Simon Bridges, Paula Bennett, and David Seymour.*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/116409225/major-leak-of-nz-first-membership-database-exposes-personal-details
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October 8, 2019 4:36pm
Captain Mainwaring

The rot’s really setting in now………

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/116409225/major-leak-of-nz-first-membership-database-exposes-personal-details
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October 8, 2019 4:37pm
- chaos
  
  The drip is still just starting, soon the torrent will be in full roar with all three government parties, so much to come out that they will be shitting in their nappies now knowing that they all tried to cover so much. I’d expect no first and labour’s deal to come out soon too
  
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  October 8, 2019 4:41pm
  - Tall Man
    
    That is buried deeper than the $158,000 in no man’s land… also called “what’s in it for wynston”‘s bank account.
    
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    October 8, 2019 6:17pm
- alex Masterley
  
  Leaking like a sieve.
  A witch hunt of truly magnificent proportions will commence.
  
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  October 8, 2019 4:45pm
- Johnboy
  
  A leaking Winston is even more than a dreadful old bastard like me can tolerate Captain! 🙂
  
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  October 8, 2019 4:59pm
  - Johnboy
    
    Think of the poor old skivvy that has to wash his underpants FGS!!! 🙂
    
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    October 8, 2019 5:13pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      I was thinking, you could make a fortune if you could just invent incontinence undies for political parties.
      Depends…. political
      Doesn’t stop ya leaking, but means you have to sit in it for a while.
      
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      October 8, 2019 6:46pm
Swifty

Compressorhead – Ace of Spades

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gMX_hR-RoM

Enjoy.
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October 8, 2019 5:12pm
DigNap15

Part of the surplus is due to the fact that they HID 3.5 billion in housing New Zealand loans and more elsewhere.
So with the Kiwirail con, there is NO surplus!
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October 8, 2019 5:28pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  I make it 900 million in Housing NZ borrowing this year, and 1.4 billion for NZ Transport, 2.6 billion in revaluation of perpetually loss making kiwirail for about 4.9billion worth of fake surplus, is there any more that anyone is aware of?
  
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  October 8, 2019 7:11pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    Accounting 101. Borrowing to buy assets has nothing to do with surplus/deficit.
    
    I borrow $100k and use it to buy a $100k asset. Effect on balance sheet = about zip. A liability (the loan) and an offsetting asset (what it bought). Profit/loss affected by the interest on the loan which these days is diddly-poo.
    
    Basic double entry stuff. Borrowings just don’t figure as part of deficit/surplus sums. Sorry.
    
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    October 8, 2019 7:26pm
chaos

Maggie pie, you can afford to eat in 2 years. Check your bank account, the way this govt works they may just pay you the full half a billion

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/10/dhb-deficits-balloon-as-staff-promised-half-a-billion-dollars-in-underpayments.html
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October 8, 2019 5:35pm
chaos

Surely her puppet masters realised that they would create a backlash against this young girl

*Italian authorities investigating ‘aggravated threats’ after Greta Thunberg effigy hung from noose*

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2019/10/italian-authorities-investigating-aggravated-threats-after-greta-thunberg-effigy-hung-from-noose.html
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October 8, 2019 5:36pm
- Inandout
  
  chaos, this is what I would expect from Antifa, not others.
  
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  October 8, 2019 6:39pm
- cmm
  
  Since Greta is proposing policies that will kill hundreds of millions of people, she really shouldn’t get too squeamish about an effigy.
  
  No doubt everyone would be applauding if it was a Doanld Trump effigy.
  
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  October 8, 2019 7:29pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    How did Greta get from New York to South Dakota?
    Did she ride a bike?
    
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    October 8, 2019 8:33pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Arnold Schwarzenegger loaned her entourage a Tesla.
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/116197390/arnold-schwarzenegger-loans-greta-thunberg-electric-car-to-get-around-us
      
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      October 8, 2019 8:46pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Thanks for that Maggy.
        Did Arnold send the bill to Al Gore?
        
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        October 8, 2019 9:31pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Captain Mainwaring, dense? Arnold lent his Telsa!
        
        Duh!
        
        Not his gas-guzzling Hummer or a V12 Holden equivalent!
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GixZgTcZfLk
        
        Duh!
        
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        October 9, 2019 11:07am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Climate change boil up.
Language.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm4wKuU5dO0
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October 8, 2019 6:24pm
chaos

Poor guy, spends more time going to the police to whinge than he does working.

* Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters has referred a massive leak of NZ First members’ personal details to the police and privacy commissioner.

The databases sent include the names, occupation, phone numbers, addresses, and paid membership status of more than a thousand people affiliated with the political party – including Peters and his partner Jan Trotman.*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/116409225/major-leak-of-nz-first-membership-database-exposes-personal-details
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October 8, 2019 6:38pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Heh, so Labour are probably ‘encouraged’ to keep everything in-house and not involve the Police, but Winnie’s always the first to go there…
  
  Where’s Wally?
  
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  October 8, 2019 8:44pm
- igm
  
  No better than the usual left-wing gutless nark.
  
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  October 9, 2019 7:50am
Maggie Pie

Whats happened to Jeremy Wells?
Whenever that Matty McClean is on 7 Sharp my partner immediately switches over to Cops on 71 – reckons he makes his skin crawl 🙁
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October 8, 2019 7:06pm
rangitoto

I see Liarbore have thrown the Greens under the bus again. Robbo is just too desperate for the $$$$ gold mining. LoL.
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October 8, 2019 7:32pm
Swifty

I’ll say it outright.

We have done and are continuing to import corruption on a massive scale:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/116334978/masala-indian-restaurant-boss-pleads-guilty-to-tax-evasion-and-money-laundering

But when you import en masse from corrupt cultures what else do you expect?
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October 8, 2019 7:35pm
BananaLlama

Still no polls aye? Must be bad for Labour lmao.
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October 8, 2019 7:48pm
cha

What kind of cowardly fuck abandons the people who did most of the fighting and dying to defeat the caliphate?
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