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Paulus Gnome

RIP Ginger Baker

Certainly Cream of that crop of drummers
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October 7, 2019 8:06am
- John Warren
  
  Oh damn! The news over the last couple of weeks hasn’t been good but I’d kept hop8ng the old bastard would pull through.
  
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  October 7, 2019 8:42am
- Ed Snack
  
  Now flying with his airforce. But he was a cranky bastard.
  
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  October 7, 2019 9:28am
- lofty
  
  Passing away was the most peaceful thing Ginger ever did.
  I watched a youtube documentary on him a while ago, he was a serious arsehole…but by the living shit he was the best drummer ever created.
  
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  October 7, 2019 10:31am
Yvette

Maria Dew QC said she wanted to look at the substance of the [Labour sex assault] complaints and not the Labour Party processes, Ardern said.
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Ardern has said that the Dew review, expected to report directly to Ardern in three weeks, would get to the bottom of it.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12268112
– 16 Sep, 2019 3:55pm

Today is three weeks. So the Dew Review is due.
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October 7, 2019 8:08am
- sooty
  
  You will never know anyway!
  Seceret report, straight to Cindys rubbish bin!
  Paid for by the taxpayer!
  
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  October 7, 2019 8:27am
  - calendar girl
    
    Why should the taxpayer pay for this QC’s report? I would be happy that the taxpayer pay for a Police investigation and report, but not a private one to which the public will probably never have access.
    
    So we’ll pay for the QC, and our PM will “interpret” the selected contents of the report that she chooses to release to the public?
    
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    October 7, 2019 10:29am
    - Ruawai
      
      If it is parliamentary services then taxpayer cost but PM keeps saying it is a party issue therefore Labour should be paying.
      
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      October 7, 2019 11:04am
      - sooty
        
        Can you see Labour paying for it out of their own pocket.
        Not when they can suck on the taxpayers tit!
        
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        October 7, 2019 4:13pm
- Luke Piewalker
  
  I find it revolting that it’s the Labour Party reviewing the sex assaults and not the POLICE
  
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  October 7, 2019 8:31am
  - Shut the hell up you Fascist!
    
    I find it REVEALING that it’s the Labour Party reviewing the sex assaults and not the Police!
    
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    October 7, 2019 10:04am
- alex Masterley
  
  Yes I am waiting to see what Maria Dew concludes.
  My pick is that the can will be kicked down the road in the hope we will all forget about the incident.
  
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  October 7, 2019 8:48am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    That may be the Labour Party’s intention Alex, but it’s also our duty to make sure it ISN’T forgotten!
    
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    October 7, 2019 9:27am
    - Batman
      
      And given the tactics of the complainants so far, if Labour attempt to kick for touch then they’ll continue raising hell.
      
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      October 7, 2019 10:23am
      - Tall Man
        
        Let’s hope so.
        
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        October 7, 2019 10:33am
  - freethinker
    
    Maria specializes in HR and is Chair of a Health Committee so not obviously an ideal candidate to – Carefully & Impartially INVESTIGATE, the kind of sexual and procedural misconduct that is perceived to have occurred in the PM,s Office and right under her nose it seems – if ardern didn’t know perhaps she needs a white stick and hearing aids, a functioning brain would also help.
    
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    October 7, 2019 12:06pm
- Lizziep
  
  Will we ever hear about the result or will it be the PTPM’s whitewash?
  
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  October 7, 2019 8:54am
  - freethinker
    
    Guthrie Bowron have already ordered more stock of special thick whitewash for delivery to some big round building in Wellington, with an order destined for some house in Sandringham.
    
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    October 7, 2019 12:08pm
  - G152
    
    How about all the posters here keep pushing the fact that there was a serious exual crime committed in the PMs office, young people were given alcohol and groped at a labour party camp and druggies seem to have a direct line to some-one.
    We remind and they deny until some-one admits
    
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    October 7, 2019 12:45pm
- burt
  
  I’m actually surprised Labour didn’t put the guy who recently resigned in charge of the investigation.
  
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  October 7, 2019 9:00am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Yet another (cough) lawyer who produces a report that says what her client whats it to say.
  
  Anyone who believes a report written for a client well Ive got a bridge to sell you.
  
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  October 7, 2019 9:21am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Especially when the client, in this case, the Labour Party, sets the Terms of Reference and refuses to publish them.
    
    Remember the Noel Ingram QC into the activities of Taito Philip Field? The Labour Party, led by Helen Clark and Michael Cullen, set the Terms of Reference of that investigation. When it was concluded, National successfully applied for an Urgent Debate in the House. Here’s how Gerry Brownlee began:
    
    GERRY BROWNLEE (Deputy Leader—National) : I move, That the House take note of a matter of urgent public importance. This has to be the most cleverly veiled allegation of corruption against Mr Field that could possibly have been produced given the strictures placed upon the inquirer.
    
    I think it is worth noting that the inquirer in this case, Dr Noel Ingram, at the very start of his report notes: “… given the nature of my appointment I have not enjoyed the power to compel the attendance of witnesses before me to give evidence, or to administer oaths in relation to those who I do examine or interview, or to compel the production of documents. Those limited powers are to be contrasted with the powers to administer oaths, to compel attendance, and to compel the production of documents which are enjoyed by Royal Commissions and by Commissions of Inquiry appointed under the Commissions of Inquiry Act 1908.” What that tells us is that this report is about the preferred spin that those around Mr Field want to put on this matter—that there is no basis, apparently, for a general belief that those who are party to this have told the truth. What it tells us is that they did not have to tell the truth—that it was OK for them to stump up to Dr Ingram and tell him whatever they thought would be best for Mr Field.
    
    https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/document/48HansD_20060718_00000802/urgent-debates-taito-phillip-field-report-of-dr-noel
    
    Dr Noel Ingram QC found just what Labour intended him to find; nothing incriminating. By holding an inquiry with exceedingly narrow ToR, they hoped Field would be vindicated. To his credit, Dr Ingram didn’t take that lying down. And let’s not forget that Field was later found guilty and imprisoned.
    
    As an aside, it prompted Michael Cullen’s infamous defence of Field, which is worth repeating as a reminder of how Labour trivialises criminality within its own ranks:
    
    So Mr Field has some matters to work through with the Labour leadership and the Labour whips. But he works incredibly hard on behalf of his constituents. He has people coming to him from all over Auckland for assistance, not just in immigration cases but in many other cases. He works harder on those matters than I suspect the entire National Party caucus does on constituency cases. If that is what he is guilty of, then I am sure he is happy to plead guilty to working hard on behalf of his constituents.
    
    Thank goodness the High Court jury, which heard actual evidence against Field, unlike Dr Ingram, understood right and wrong better than Michael Cullen!
    
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    October 7, 2019 9:39am
- Ed Snack
  
  I thought that a good bit of the problem was someone wanting “to get to the bottom of it”, only someone else’s “bottom”.
  
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  October 7, 2019 9:50am
oldpark

Just saw a motley bunch of scum bags in Wellington preventing people going about their normal daily routine. Seems they are being aided and abetted by Dominion Post as well as their masters led by Ardern and her Peters selected coalition.NZF/LABOUR/GREENS.
The rabble in Wellington upsetting so many NZs are quickly getting known as Eco -Terrorists,or even a new type of pedophile,as they get into the spaces and faces and well being of law abiding NZs.
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October 7, 2019 8:09am
- Prince
  
  I trust enough people get though the blockade to earn the money to pay the taxes to provide the benefits and emergency payouts these bludgers live on.
  
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  October 7, 2019 8:25am
  - Sacha
    
    Fruit Loops. Mike Hosking gave a brief bio of the ‘founder’ of the group this morning. She sounded like someone that even the Hippies of the ’60s would stay away from.
    
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    October 7, 2019 10:36am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Sure, she’s in favour of mass psychedelic doping of the populace
      https://www.newscientist.com/article/2213787-extinction-rebellion-founder-calls-for-mass-psychedelic-disobedience/
      
      but she’s spent her career acting as an agent for the moneyed elite who are carefully siphoning off Government money into their own coffers.
      https://nowhere.news/index.php/2019/04/01/astroturfing-the-way-for-the-fourth-industrial-revolution/
      
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      October 7, 2019 12:10pm
- Yvette
  
  Chlöe Swarbrick in saying, “We need more climate change protestors to take to the streets” was apparently talking about more school children to skip lessons to march, demanding the Government do more to counter climate change – the Government being Chlöe Swarbrick and colleagues.
  And this present protests aim to disrupt people enough to gain their co-operation?
  
  It is this level of utterly moronic logic that makes me wonder about the whole climate-change theology.
  
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  October 7, 2019 8:36am
  - srylands
    
    There were many parents who marched with their children a couple of weeks back. I would like to see these parents walk their talk by ditching their very large SUVs (they seem to be a favourite of prosperous parents with school aged children). Driving your kids to and from a climate change protest in a V6 SUV is a bit odd to say the least.
    
    If you love your giant $120k SUV and intend to keep it keep it, at least have the good grace to not attend climate protests.
    
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    October 7, 2019 9:50am
    - JackRabbit
      
      That reminds me of the Union petrol tanker drivers strikes. Most petrol stations were forced to close during the strike. Only a few family owned stations could open. Drivers union delegate pulls up in big V8 to small gas station to fill up during strike. He was recognised and refused service, and told by the owner in no uncertain terms to sod off.
      
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      October 7, 2019 10:24am
    - Paulus
      
      No way, it is School Holidays so cannot do !
      
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      October 7, 2019 1:32pm
  - kowtow
    
    An MP from the governing regime promoting mob rule instead of the rue of law…….
    
    ……..not fit for purpose.
    
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    October 7, 2019 10:07am
- jacob
  
  Well they want to shut down MBIE so that’s good
  
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  October 7, 2019 8:44am
  - ex-golfer
    
    The numbnuts couldn’t even get the right building !
    Said they were blockading the MBIE building in Stout Street because MBIE are in charge of Oil and Gas Exploration permits – but that division isn’t even in the Stout Street office!
    Complete fuckwits.
    
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    October 7, 2019 7:17pm
- Wired-one
  
  That will get people on their side…
  
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  October 7, 2019 8:48am
- BobbyS
  
  Genuine questions to anyone with an insight to Police thinking – why are they not arresting them for disturbing the peace, stopping traffic, etc
  These 100 people are probably preventing 1-2000 people from travelling to their place of work who have paid their taxes to have the Police uphold the law. I don’t get why they are not arresting them and allowing law abiding citizens get on with their lives as they are entitles to do
  
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  October 7, 2019 8:54am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    If it was a right wing demo Police would be in there with the dogs pepper spray you name it.
    
    The Police HQ is under the thumb of the COL.
    
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    October 7, 2019 9:24am
    - Fletch
      
      Yup, if it was people protesting abortion and stopping traffic, you can bet the cops would have dragged them off by now…
      
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      October 7, 2019 12:38pm
  - Liberty
    
    Just more proof the Police are in the pocket of COL.
    
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    October 7, 2019 9:48am
    - stephieboy
      
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      Liberty, utter piffle!
      
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      October 7, 2019 10:22am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        steph – evidence that this is piffle?
        All the evidence that I have says it is not.
        
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        October 7, 2019 10:59am
      - Liberty
        
        So why weren’t the great unwashed removed from the MBIE Building protest?
        The links between COL and Extinction Rebellion appear to be very close? Comrades in arms ?
        
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        October 7, 2019 11:35am
  - kowtow
    
    It’s an offence in common law to obstruct the Queen’s highway .
    
    Plod is negligent and not upholding the rule of law.
    
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    October 7, 2019 10:10am
  - igm
    
    Ardern’s pet senior plod would have been told to give them plenty of free space as they are part of her disgusting agenda.
    
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    October 7, 2019 10:13am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Does the Commissioner of Police now hold his Office at the pleasure of the PM?
      
      Something is very wrong when the Police won’t uphold the rights of citizens to peace. A protest impeding the flow of pedestrians or traffic is not peaceful.
      
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      October 7, 2019 11:49am
      - igm
        
        What about ANZ customers, and the police doing nothing but watching?
        But of course John Key is on the board so MSM and Ardern et al will love this.
        
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        October 7, 2019 3:03pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Because it’s impossible to get a jury that doesn’t have a couple left wing idiots on it. No left wing protester will ever get convicted so the Police just don’t bother.
    
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    October 7, 2019 10:15am
    - stephieboy
      
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      Libertarians are right,
      
      More piffle!
      
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      October 7, 2019 10:24am
      - pentwig
        
        good grief steffie
        you are piffling well this morning
        keep it up
        LOL
        
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        October 7, 2019 11:40am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Don’t let them have jury trials or defer the hearing for ages without bail and hold the abusers in a prison cell block in Waiouru. Anarchists need lessons.
      
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      October 7, 2019 11:52am
- Inandout
  
  Wellington is a good target city, school holidays and mostly public servants affected. Those protestors seem retired, on school holidays or unemployed. They probably wouldn’t try this in Southland or areas where workers actually would take action to get to their jobs.
  
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  October 7, 2019 8:55am
  - igm
    
    One of them, I am sure, was employed by us for a very short time . . . lazy, useless, and a troublemaker.
    
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    October 7, 2019 10:14am
    - stephieboy
      
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      igm, we need and “extinction rebellion” on KB beginning with some KB posters like you!
      
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      October 7, 2019 10:25am
      - herb1
        
        Says Stephieboy whilst looking in the mirror
        
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        October 7, 2019 11:07am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        So which one are you stephieboy; “extinction” or “rebellion”?
        
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        October 7, 2019 11:21am
- G152
  
  The problem can be solved.
  Either with water hoses, tear gas or /and mustard gas.
  They want to interfere with peoples rights make them pay.
  
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  October 7, 2019 9:02am
  - srylands
    
    Yes I think mustard gas might be an overreaction.
    
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    October 7, 2019 9:39am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Mustards’ going a bit far, kind of leads to terminal breathing problems as records from WW1 can attest. Also hard to remove once used so might affect to many innocent bystanders.
    
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    October 7, 2019 9:53am
  - Liberty
    
    Bring back the red squad. Polish up the Minto bars.
    
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    October 7, 2019 9:55am
  - rangitoto
    
    Soap and water.
    
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    October 7, 2019 10:08am
    - alwyn
      
      That would definitely be going to far.
      I’m sure that would be classed as being a cruel and unusual punishment
      
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      October 7, 2019 10:38am
    - tf78
      
      The trouble is, if the police actually do their jobs they are accused of police brutality.
      
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      October 8, 2019 3:30pm
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  I see a mayoral candidate is down there egging them on, someone else to remember not to vote for.
  
  Mike Bush’s keystone cops are doing their usual hanging around nothing to see here bollox. What happened to water cannons and dragging these ferals off the streets. Off to court, charge them all.
  
  On the upside, blocking a tiny side street! Is that the best they can manage? Or are they just testing the waters to see what they can get away with. It will be drones at the airport next, until someone gets really hurt.
  
  the Dominion Post is providing a lot of free publicity to these idiots. Wonder how many of them actually buy a paper (except to sleep under)?
  
  Another nail in the coffin of a once important local newspaper. The sooner it saves the planet by stopping wasting good paper the better.
  
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  October 7, 2019 9:02am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    My work gets the paper delivered daily.
    
    Each copy comes in a single use, sealed plastic bag.
    
    So much for being the cheerleaders for Climate change.
    
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    October 7, 2019 11:59am
- Brian Marshall
  
  Saw them too. Thankfully my trip to work did not involve going down wind of them. If they are illegally blocking the road, and if the police do not arrest them after warning them to move, then the police are enabling them too. Bunch of degenerate brainwashed waste of spaces. I’ll bet $NZ 100 million that the earth will be okay in 12 years time. I wonder how long will it take to realise that they’re swallowed fake propaganda?
  
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  October 7, 2019 9:06am
  - Sacha
    
    12 years time – I had a bit of a smile yesterday when I heard a young thing on the radio talking about how something or other could be achieved in 12 years time – was it the development some sort of auto transport? Should she be prised for persisting even though her cohorts tell us that we ‘could/will’ all be gone by then?
    
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    October 7, 2019 10:41am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    There will always another issue for the internationally paid anarchy team to promote.
    
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    October 7, 2019 11:56am
- Charmaine Hawke
  
  I wonder how much this is costing the economy in lost wages and contractors in lost income.
  I am beyond angry with this now and believe it will only get worse as long as Labour remain in power as they are weak and everyone can see it now.
  
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  October 7, 2019 9:17am
  - kowtow
    
    Given that it is mainly the public service that was disrupted the economy won’t have noticed ……
    
    I’ll get my coat.
    
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    October 7, 2019 10:13am
- plc
  
  Look at the numbers….
  
  “We don’t do Climate Change Protest during school holidays”
  
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  October 7, 2019 9:20am
- artemisia
  
  A few problems being reported via Stuff. Some can’t get to the toilet so hopefully the organisers handed out Depends earlier. One guy superglued his hand to a car, and then the metal started to warm up … Some are feeling a bit chilly, ironic.
  
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  October 7, 2019 10:48am
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The Namibia rugby team is bullshit.
Namibia is a country of black people, yet here we have a team which is about 80% comprised of blonds with Afrikaans names and who couldn’t quite make the Springboks.
Why don’t we have a team based in New Caledonia comprised of has-beens from the All Blacks and French?
Makes as much sense
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October 7, 2019 8:13am
- cmm
  
  Afrikaners have lived in Namibia longer than white people have live in NZ.
  
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  October 7, 2019 8:17am
  - stephieboy
    
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    cmm, and the blacks living there have been living there much longer than Afrikaners and other whites.
    
    Your point?
    
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    October 7, 2019 10:28am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Only some, unless we get all racist only the Saan people can claim to be indigenous, the next arrivals were “whites” and only after that other migrants from further North in Africa.
      
      The Saan are culturally and genetically distinct from both later arrival groups.
      
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      October 7, 2019 12:32pm
    - cmm
      
      I don’t know what that has to do with anything.
      
      What I was pointing out is that there have been whites in Namibia longer than there have in NZ.
      
      Any principle that suggests that whites don’t belong in the Namibian team because they are “foreigners” should say the same about NZ.
      
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      October 7, 2019 12:53pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Look Stephied twat. All CMM is saying is that Nambia has black people and white people living there, and both have lived there for a very long time. What is your fucking point?
      
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      October 7, 2019 8:58pm
- chaos
  
  Well lucky you haven’t seen the Japanese team yet then.
  
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  October 7, 2019 8:20am
  - MCos
    
    16/31 weren’t born in Japan, although one has a Japanese parent.
    All the Tongans born in NZ have at least one Tongan parent.
    Four ABs were not born here. Quite a few of the Blackcaps come from elsewhere too.
    
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    October 7, 2019 9:13am
- MCos
  
  All the Namibia squad of players were born in Namibia.
  Seventeen of the Tongans were born in NZ.
  
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  October 7, 2019 8:27am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Me bad. Must swot up on my Namibian history.
    
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    October 7, 2019 8:52am
- Wayne
  
  Yeah, imagine a team from NZ filled with players from the Pacific Islands.
  
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  October 7, 2019 8:35am
  - Tall Man
    
    3 New Zealand players were born overseas. That’s it and if you ask a “Tongan” born in Auckland if he wants to play for Tonga or the All Blacks……. well, you may be clever enough to figure that out.
    
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    October 7, 2019 9:29am
    - Paginus
      
      They want to play for the all blacks because of money and prestige, not because they don’t want to play for their own nation.
      
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      October 7, 2019 11:28am
      - Tall Man
        
        Gosh… You think?
        
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        October 7, 2019 1:55pm
  - toby1845
    
    Not sure who was the last All Black who wasn’t born in the Pacific Islands. Andrew Mehrtens perhaps?
    
    Last time I looked, New Zealand was a group of islands……in the Pacific.
    
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    October 7, 2019 9:32pm
- Billy Collins
  
  Just because a country is majority Black does not mean Blacks play rugby. You’d think pacific islanders comprised over 50% of our population if you based it on the All Blacks.
  
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  October 7, 2019 8:36am
  - MCos
    
    If you looked at those early Springbok teams you’d have thought there were no blacks in South Africa.
    If you’d looked at the AB teams that toured SA you’d have thought there were no Maoris in NZ.
    
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    October 7, 2019 9:28am
    - cmm
      
      “If you looked at those early Springbok teams you’d have thought there were no blacks in South Africa.”
      
      No, just no rugby playing blacks. And historically there are very few blacks that play rugby in South Africa. They prefer soccer.
      
      But I’m not quite sure what that has to do with the Namibian team.
      
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      October 7, 2019 10:01am
      - stephieboy
        
        cmm, garbage! All-white Springbok teams were the outcome of the workings of racial segregation laws that you should be intimately familiar with!
        
        https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/01/selling-apartheid-new-book-lays-bare-south-africas-propaganda-war
        
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        October 7, 2019 10:32am
      - Greg Ettridge
        
        Morning Stephieboy
        You can’t have It both ways.
        Compulsory majority black cricket teams were the outcome of the workings of racial segregation laws that you should be intimately familiar with!
        Maybe the best sportsmen are actually picked on merit, now there is a novel idea.
        
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        October 7, 2019 11:25am
      - cmm
        
        stephie you are correct in that the Springboks were white only during most of the apartheid era. I was not disputing that at all.
        
        Danie Craven, the figurehead of SA Rugby in the 1970s said there would be black Springboks over his dead body.
        
        However, even if there had been completely integrated rugby there would have been very few black rugby players.
        
        SA blacks are, generally, smaller and less fast. They also prefer playing soccer (always have and still do).
        
        When the Springboks started to include token non-whites they really had to scrape the barrel. About the only “shining star” black Springbok turned out to be a drug cheat.
        
        Would there have been some black players in the Springboks without apartheid? Maybe a few, but very few.
        
        As you will undoubtedly have noticed with our own teams, sporting ability/preferences does follow racial lines. Here Polynesians are vastly over-represented in rugby. Hardly any Polynesian sailors though.
        
        And still, I’m 1not sure what that has to do with Namibia.
        
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        October 7, 2019 12:49pm
Mobile Michael

TV3 are polling, was called yesterday.

In addition to the normal party/leader/Government approval preference:

Should Ardern declare a climate emergency?
Should Ardern visit Ihaumatau?
Was Simon Bridges sexist to call Ardern a part-time Prime Minister?
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October 7, 2019 8:14am
- Prince
  
  Push poll.
  
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  October 7, 2019 8:28am
- chaos
  
  Sexist doesn’t come into the last question, just the media trying to push their agenda. Real question should be can you name New Zealand prime minister
  
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  October 7, 2019 8:33am
- Random T Person
  
  Sorry accidentally down ticked
  
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  October 7, 2019 8:42am
- DILLIGAF
  
  I got a call too, for the first time ever…
  So this 25 yr old Maori on 30k a year thinks Simon’s doing a great job, Jacinda is crap, Prisoners shouldn’t vote and drugs shouldn’t be tested – that should screw with their demographics…
  
  The Indianish accented lady didn’t quite know what to say when I told her Darroch Ball had said on the radio that the drug testing proposed is happening already, so it’s moot.
  
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  October 7, 2019 8:43am
- Wired-one
  
  Why would they ask that last question, if they weren’t planning on doing another hit job on Bridges? Let me guess, Tova will start the story with a picture of Bridges and asking “how long can he last”, just like the last 15 polls. Media in this country are a joke!.
  
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  October 7, 2019 8:52am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Predictable timing. Just after the stardust-coated trip to the UN.
  
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  October 7, 2019 8:53am
- Michael
  
  MM
  No, No, No, Jacinda Adhern is a part time Prime Minister, when Winston lets her.
  
  Her being as female has nothing to do with it.
  But Lees Galloway still being Immigration Minister exentuates that she is not fit for purpose. Part time or otherwise.
  
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  October 7, 2019 8:55am
- BobbyS
  
  Seriously????!!!!!
  They asked if what SB said #PartTimePM, was sexist? They are trying to make some click bait item a poll issue?
  Desperate for ratings it seems
  
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  October 7, 2019 8:57am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  did they ask the loaded questions before or after the approval and voting intention stuff?
  
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  October 7, 2019 10:11am
- Sacha
  
  in a word – no.
  
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  October 7, 2019 10:44am
Luke Piewalker

Serious question…does Cindy actually do anything?
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October 7, 2019 8:15am
- sooty
  
  Shopping trips and holidays in the sun!
  Oh, forgot. Kindy trips too!
  
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  October 7, 2019 8:29am
- RW Capitalist
  
  YES..she
  Makes concern face
  Wears a tee towel at Muslim events
  Speaks the words…”climate change” at every opportunity.
  There is a long list of things, “she does”.
  Now ask me if any of it is
  relevant
  effective
  Competent
  actual works
  Well then I will have to change my answer to
  N O definitely not.
  
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  October 7, 2019 8:31am
- chaos
  
  She works very hard, first there is the morning routing, apply make up, no more make up, shit heavy duty make up. Then she puts her hajib on. Opens her laptop and looks for emails from Winston telling her what she needs to do today. Conversation with clake about whether a baby or a wedding will fix their sliding poll number, rings Helen, asks her how much longer she has to put up with Winston telling her what to do and is reassured he won’t last much longer, puts more make up on, goes outside to her adoring fan, a sicko that stalks people on forums.
  
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  October 7, 2019 8:31am
- Random T Person
  
  Serious answer. Not really.
  
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  October 7, 2019 8:43am
- Brian Marshall
  
  Serious answer: Nothing if just having a conversation doesn’t count.
  
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  October 7, 2019 9:07am
- Tall Man
  
  Tells lies.
  
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  October 7, 2019 9:31am
- kowtow
  
  She’s let the cops smash the lawful firearms community.
  
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  October 7, 2019 10:15am
- Nermal
  
  Very little – for which I’m truly grateful
  
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  October 7, 2019 5:05pm
RW Capitalist

Drug testing at concerts.
Making this legal, sends the message that, provided your heroin doesn’t have weed killer in it, it is safe.
Really??
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October 7, 2019 8:17am
- chaos
  
  Some people will always take drugs to concerts, the idea, successful elsewhere is to test those drugs before consumed to save hospital time and lives. You are not going to stop people taking drugs but at least you can test them and save money from getting bad drugs out of the mix
  
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  October 7, 2019 8:29am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    and your reason for saying ” successful elsewhere”
    at what level and how is it successful, on what level?
    “to save hospital time and lives” there is no evidence of this. it is an extrapolation THEORY.
    ie if this then that…..it’s a BIG I F!!!
    I am not going to stop speeding or drink driving, murder assault or theft either, are you suggesting we should make them legal to, or facilitated under certain circumstances?
    “getting bad drugs out of the mix”
    They are ALL bad drugs, have you seen the hoops drug companies have to jump through, just to get you aspirin?
    Clean room
    hygiene control
    quality control
    dose control
    raw ingredient traceability
    system traceability
    measurement traceability
    
    etc etc
    Bet your local “tinny house” doesn’t do that.
    
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    October 7, 2019 8:48am
    - chaos
      
      https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6015924/overwhelming-success-calls-for-expanding-pill-testing-after-canberra-trial/
      
      https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-45367810
      
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      October 7, 2019 10:32am
    - tf78
      
      I’d take the drugs for “testing” and confiscate them as they are illegal. If your so stupid to take drugs in the first place it’s your own fault if they turn out to be bad.
      
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      October 8, 2019 3:52pm
  - DILLIGAF
    
    “For some people, their purpose in life is to serve as an example to others”….
    
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    October 7, 2019 8:51am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    So following that logic if I take my AR15 to the local bank and get the teller to check its in good working order, its OK to then hold the bank up?
    
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    October 7, 2019 8:58am
    - chaos
      
      so why be all stupid about it, oh I know let’s make taking drugs the same as taking a gun into a bank, is it bring stupid to blog day today?
      
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      October 7, 2019 10:34am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        They are both illegal – twat. But only one gets prosecuted. Why? Hurt Shrobeck’s friends too much?
        
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        October 7, 2019 9:03pm
      - rightoverlabour
        
        And as for “is it bring stupid to blog day today”, it must be. You and Stephie are proof.
        
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        October 7, 2019 9:04pm
  - Liberty
    
    “ save hospital time and lives.”
    Hospitals should charge any anyone attempting to get a Darwin award.
    
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    October 7, 2019 10:31am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Well, yes, it is really safe.
  
  It is still illegal but, it is safe.
  
  Sort of like a banned automatic weapon in the possession of a registered gun owner.
  
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  October 7, 2019 8:29am
- Colville
  
  Pure MDMA is about the safest recreational drug known (other than maybe a cup of Earl Grey) the point of the drug testing is to get the shit out of the E and to let people get loved up and dance the night away without the danger of being poisioned.
  
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  October 7, 2019 8:38am
Maggie Pie

This would be one of the most shocking and disturbing docos you will ever see 🙁
The BBC sent an undercover reporter into Iraq to investigate what are known as ‘Pleasure Marriages’. This is where the most powerful Muslim Clerics arrange for girls, some as young as 9, to be made available to men for casual sex.
The Cleric tells the reporter: “Foreplay and anal sex are permitted, as long as you don’t take the girls virginity. It’s up to you how you do it. You’re allowed to perform from behind. Do whatever you like. The act is halal”

‘Undercover With The Clerics – Iraq’s Secret Sex Trade’
https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2019/undercover-with-the-clerics
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October 7, 2019 8:19am
- John Warren
  
  Was reading the BBC feature about it on the weekend. Felt sick to the craw. I have young daughters…
  
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  October 7, 2019 8:52am
- Ruahine
  
  Let us not forget the bacha boys in Afghanistan.
  
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  October 7, 2019 9:14am
  - ISeeRed
    
    But the bacha boys have male privilege and will grow up to be part of the patriarchy, so it doesn’t count.
    
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    October 7, 2019 12:11pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggy, is this why National didn’t want the extended families from this area?
  
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  October 7, 2019 9:36am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Yet Labor have just invited another 500 in. What are they trying to do to this country??
    
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    October 7, 2019 10:03am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      There is no reason to think that these monstrous, evil men would qualify for either immigrant or refugee status in New Zealand.
      
      Their victims, however, are the kinds of people who might become refugees.
      
      Would you have New Zealand turn it’s back on them?
      
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      October 7, 2019 1:00pm
  - stephieboy
    
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    Inandout, I don’t think so!
    
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    October 7, 2019 11:02am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Is this an allowed practice by one particular sect of Islam?
  For the girls, it must be Shia terror…
  
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  October 7, 2019 9:47am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Absolutely Sensei. My partner reckons those Muslim blokes that partake in this vile practice will all end up in the Shiite.
    
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    October 7, 2019 10:11am
  - stephieboy
    
    Sorry Oadakyu – sen , Iraq is largely Sunni!
    
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    October 7, 2019 11:01am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      stephieboy,
      I’ll raise you a Wiki and see you.
      
      “Iraq’s Muslims follow two distinct traditions, majority Shia Islam and minority Sunni Islam.”
      Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Iraq
      
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      October 7, 2019 11:21am
      - Swifty
        
        He hasn’t a clue.
        
        I thought it was common knowledge – around 2/3rds Shia and 1/3rd Sunni.
        
        He lives up to his name once again!
        
        And he should apologise to O-Sen. The clerics are Shia.
        
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        October 7, 2019 4:07pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Did you even finish reading the BBC link stephie – or were you too busy faffing off?
      
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      October 7, 2019 11:31am
    - Brian Marshall
      
      Sorry Stephie. Accidentally upticked. 63% Shia in Iraq. Found in an article online.
      
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      October 7, 2019 2:05pm
- Swifty
  
  https://youtu.be/gNOMEoEMBVs?t=1963
  
  What we in the west don’t realise is that ‘secular laws don’t matter – it is religious law that is the only constant.’
  
  That, and the fact that women’s wishes, aspirations, hopes and dreams are of no concern.
  
  What we in NZ need is to allow tens of thousands of these men to emigrate here to show us the error of our ways and how to better run our society.
  
  What party will take up the challenge?
  
  https://www.greens.org.nz/sites/default/files/Green%20Party%20Refugee%20Policy%20Overview.pdf
  
  Diversity is our strength!!!!!
  
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  October 7, 2019 10:00am
  - Scott
    
    Swiftly – I find myself in agreement with you 🙂
    
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    October 7, 2019 10:40am
- stephieboy
  
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  Maggie Pie, from the same BBC Media centre we get this, Sex Slavery in Britain with destination pop up brothels in Ireland,
  
  https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/proginfo/2018/45/doing-money
  
  Your point other than [Deleted – Mod]?
  
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  October 7, 2019 11:00am
Scott

Trump/Russia, Trump/Russia – that’s all we heard for two years from the mainstream media. That Pres trump is a traitor to his country who colluded with the Russians to steal the 2016 election from Hillary Clinton. The trouble was – it was completely false!
Now all we hear from the media is Trump/Ukraine. Based on the transcript of one phone call. Much of the phone call was about investigating crowd strike who was the firm that investigated the DNC server that was supposedly hacked. Trump was trying to get to the bottom of what happened in 2016 election!

The media has been so unfair about trump that it hurts. The reason why this matters to us is that we have the same thing. We have a New Zealand media that adores left-wing politicians like Jacinda Adern and never gives anyone on the right a fair chance.

But the political winds are shifting. People are sick of left-wing lies and collusion.
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October 7, 2019 8:25am
- Tall Man
  
  So far four fuckwits have decided they’s like an extra serving of bullshit from the democrats to balance the bullshit they’re swilling down from ardern and the rest of the coalition of bullshitters..
  
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  October 7, 2019 9:35am
  - DILLIGAF
    
    DPF has entered the chat… 😉
    
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    October 7, 2019 10:41am
- Okahu
  
  “The media has been so unfair about Trump that it hurts”.
  
  Oh poor darling. Come over here and let mummy rub it better for you.
  
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  October 7, 2019 10:04am
- stephieboy
  
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  Scott, when lies Trump the truth,
  
  https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/
  
  LOL
  
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  October 7, 2019 10:38am
- Paulus
  
  I am amazed that so many diverse people now appear to have access to the presumably Presidential confidential conversations.
  
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  October 7, 2019 1:44pm
chaos

* Migrants will be entitled to bring their parents to live with them in New Zealand for the first time for in years, the Government has announced.

But the policy is returning with a cap and significantly higher income requirements for children.

Immigration Minister Iain Lees-Galloway has confirmed immigration authorities will from 2020 again begin taking applications under the Parent Category visa programme, which allows parents to join adult children who have become residents or citizens and earn over a certain amount.*

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12274084
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October 7, 2019 8:25am
- Michael
  
  But will they insists they pay for their parents?
  
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  October 7, 2019 8:57am
  - Tall Man
    
    You have a future in comedy………
    
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    October 7, 2019 9:36am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  The last thing an overburdened health system needs is an influx of parents that all have some sort of ailment to be fixed on the public purse. The true cost of this policy is enormous.
  Maybe the working immigrant can pay triple tax to offset parents free ride to a pampered life on the tax payer.
  NZ is way to generous, needs to start looking after those supposedly in its care now.
  
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  October 7, 2019 8:58am
  - igm
    
    Remember, this is the Labour way, Clark bringing in many Aids-infected Africans when she knew she was on the way out!
    
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    October 7, 2019 9:02am
  - sooty
    
    Could bring them in with no health care or benefits. Childrens cost to house, feed and care!
    
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    October 7, 2019 9:16am
    - marcw
      
      Trump is requesting that immigrants to the USA have their own health care insurance – predictably, he is being pilloried for this sane suggestion. In NZ there are many taxpaying immigrant families who have been denied residency here because one member of the family has long term health issues. Why would you want to bring in a demographic that has the highest statistical health cost? Feelz …
      
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      October 7, 2019 10:20am
  - Jack5
    
    Judas Peters gives his voters the fingers yet again!
    
    It’s as though NZ First doesn’t exist. Or is it in such a mess, the coalition partners are treating it as powerless, dead?
    
    What a great chance for either National or some new party to play the populist role and capture a sizeable section of voters.
    
    “We’ll take back control of our borders” and the votes will roll in.
    
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    October 7, 2019 9:37am
    - kowtow
      
      ‘It’s as though NZ First doesn’t exist. ‘
      
      Well it does exist , but for one reason only , for Winston Peters .
      
      How his loyal voter base don’t get that is beyond me.
      
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      October 7, 2019 10:20am
  - mara
    
    the last time i was in hospital there was an elderly foreign chap in the bed next to mine and i heard, via the translator , that his sons brought him and his wife to nz to look after their children. then the sons buggered off to aust. and left the old folks behind. the old chap had tuberculosis. the old lady wasn’t too well either. my nurse quietly told me that she sees this sort of thing all the time. aren’t we kind.
    
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    October 7, 2019 11:29am
    - sooty
      
      Too sick to get into aus or would have to pay!
      
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      October 7, 2019 12:52pm
- BobbyS
  
  So is the higher income a requirement after they move to NZ and start dealing in Narc’s / Class A or before?
  Asking for a friend Sroub…… errr I mean Jan
  
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  October 7, 2019 8:59am
- Cobolt24
  
  What benefit do we have by bringing in the parents too? I can’t think of a single one.
  At least they’ve tightened up on it compared to when the policy was last in place.
  
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  October 7, 2019 9:05am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    They provide child care.
    
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    October 7, 2019 10:14am
    - Tall Man
      
      You mean like the elderly Chinese man at the swimming pool with his playful tugging?
      
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      October 7, 2019 10:29am
    - calendar girl
      
      So we let in adults who are unable to take care of their own children, but need us to provide for “Child-care” grandparents?
      
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      October 7, 2019 11:00am
- srylands
  
  This is consistent with the proposal by Wilson and Fry last year that immigration policy be framed through a “well being” lens rather than an economic one.
  
  It was promoted extensively at the time.
  
  https://www.bwb.co.nz/books/better-lives
  
  An extract from an interview with the author:
  
  “We try to avoid letting their elderly parents in because they don’t pay tax, but need superannuation and have greater healthcare needs.
  
  A wellbeing framework would recognise the value this group of people could add. For example grandparents could help with childcare and encourage their families to stay connected to their home cultures and languages.”
  
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  October 7, 2019 9:11am
  - Tall Man
    
    FFS….. depressingly stupid isn’t it?
    
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    October 7, 2019 9:37am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    What wellbeing for the rest of the country? The taxpayer base is small–too small to sustain a COL and their prodigious waste and mayhem.
    
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    October 7, 2019 12:04pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Does that mean a father can bring all of his wives with him?
  
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  October 7, 2019 9:26am
  - Tall Man
    
    Aunties please…….
    
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    October 7, 2019 9:38am
- The King
  
  They took your guns 5 minutes ago now the invasion begins.
  
  How do you people not see what they are doing?
  
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  October 7, 2019 9:57am
  - Tall Man
    
    Kiwis are being separated into factions as a deliberate policy. Divide and conquer is an old but effective strategy.
    
    They continually deride Simon Bridges in an attempt to deflect support away from the only real threat to their continual troughing and even a few supposed National supporters get sucked into that attitude. Since when has how a guy speaks had any real relevance regarding a party’s policies.
    
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    October 7, 2019 10:14am
    - stephieboy
      
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      Tall Man , didn’t you know we have free speech in Aotearoa NZ as KB exemplifies!
      
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      October 7, 2019 10:57am
      - igm
        
        It is New Zealand not that gibberish uneducated shit spouted by deadbeats and bludgers . . . aohteeareroa.
        
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        October 7, 2019 3:08pm
- artemisia
  
  The new income rules don’t apply to those who already applied (applied, not expressions of interest). These applications will be dealt with under the rules existing at the time of application.
  
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  October 7, 2019 2:29pm
lilman

At work, daughter came back from concert in auckland where drug use was widespread
She observed one person actually selling drugs in front of security and police, actually right in front, the width of our lounge 3m.
He was talking to them, they didn’t seem interested.

19 yr old girl was speechless.
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October 7, 2019 8:27am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  A very good lesson for your daughter in the reality of discretionay policing practices and how the world actually functions.
  
  (Where’s that smartphone video footage when you need it.)
  
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  October 7, 2019 9:50am
- ross411
  
  Makes you wonder how Police not doing their jobs works. When they ignore the rules they are supposed to enforce, this means they are open for interpretation.
  
  I wouldn’t be surprised if a dealer they didn’t know stepped in front of them and started peddling and they arrested him so their mate can continue peddling his.
  
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  October 7, 2019 10:23am
  - Ruahine
    
    In Auckland laws are optional. Travel on a footpath at up to 27 kph on an electric scooter. No helmet. Ride a motorised bicycle on the footpath at any speed anywhere no helmet required.
    
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    October 7, 2019 12:34pm
peterwn

Various things in Saturday’s Dom-Post irked me.
1. Editorial (author not disclosed) ‘Have Nats run out of good ideas?’ – I do not think left wing journos are in any position to critique Nats strategy for 2020.
2.’Students’ safety must come before balance sheets’. This is a gross over-simplification of a very sad issue. If more money is to be poured into more student welfare it either has to be met by the students (via loans) or the taxpayer. Also excessive welfare would be resented. It begs the question of whether such welfare should be extended to student fears especially in the light of a sad event during the weekend. Years ago, Otago students strenuously rebelled against the University’s attempt to exercise control over student flats (mixed flatting was the main concern then!).
3. ‘Key’s dual ANZ’s roles ‘serious mistake” – Why pick on John? Seems the NZ chairs of the other three subsidiaries of Oz banks are also on the parent boards. Anyway I doubt John would be bossed around by the Oz board to the NZ operation’s detriment, especially as he did a ‘smiling assassin’ trick on the Oz CEO of the NZ operation.
4. Houseowner 1.3M out of pocket over deck addition. Seems much of the expense was because of his stubbornness and anger – the matter could have been damaged controlled for much less. There was not much investigative journalism here. A properly researched and dispassionately reported article would have been of great value to the community.
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October 7, 2019 8:40am
- peterwn
  
  Item 2 – I meant ‘student flats’ – I am trying a new machine and there is a predictive text feature I was unaware of.
  
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  October 7, 2019 9:06am
- stephieboy
  
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  ‘Have Nats run out of good ideas?’ –
  
  Well, they have. Gangs flourished and prospered under their 9-year tenure!
  
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  October 7, 2019 10:41am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Actually stephie, gang numbers CONTRACTED during National’s tenure. Since Winston Peters chose Jacinda Ardern to be PM, gang numbers have rebounded, with a 26% increase in the last two years.
    
    If you’re going to make statements, fact-check them first.
    
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    October 7, 2019 11:16am
    - igm
      
      Actually, Ardern and Peters are no better than gang members, in fact, they are worse in many cases.
      
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      October 7, 2019 11:57am
- Inandout
  
  peter, I bought last Saturday’s Dom for our fire, but it is now mild, so our next door neighbour has a young puppie that craps on a paper lined tray.
  
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  October 7, 2019 12:00pm
  - peterwn
    
    Poor decision. Saturday’s Dom Post costs $4.00. 36 firelighters from New World cost $2.79.
    
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    October 7, 2019 1:06pm
Maggie Pie

The clitoris has more than 8000 nerve endings. Twice as many as the penis.
Yet its still not as sensitive as a vegan on social media.
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October 7, 2019 8:41am
- Tall Man
  
  Who counted them? I demand a recount and am prepared to volunteer my precious and expensive time to assist in the recount.
  
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  October 7, 2019 10:28am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Who counted them?
    An Ozzie – Helen O’Connell
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16145367
    
    https://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/health-and-wellness/get-cliterate-how-a-melbourne-doctor-is-redefining-female-sexuality-20181203-p50jvv.html
    
    am prepared to volunteer my precious and expensive time to assist in the recount.
    
    Might have to chop up quite a few female (baby- aged) cadavers to get a good sample.
    
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    October 7, 2019 11:43am
    - Tall Man
      
      I see my earlier reply didn’t make it… I was sure that I hadn’t called ardern a liar but you never know…
      
      I had a more civilised method in mind Maggy, slightly less invasive….
      
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      October 7, 2019 6:34pm
- ISeeRed
  
  I know you were making a joke, but the male foreskin actually has 20,000 nerve endings. I think everyone can agree infant genital mutilation/amputation is bad regardless of the sex of the baby?
  
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  October 7, 2019 12:16pm
igm

Well, well, well, “Foam Fingers” was sorting the oil companies out once and for all . . . what a fucking joke, at $52 a barrel (even if CoL have stuffed the dollar) we should not be paying the prices at the pump we are now. We should be around $1.87!
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October 7, 2019 8:47am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Agreed. As soon as global oil prices went up after the Saudi bombing, prices at the pump went up 6c/l. Since then global prices have returned to where they were pre-bombing, and even lower, but pump prices are still inflated.
  
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  October 7, 2019 9:17am
  - alwyn
    
    Quite a good part of that increase has been the sharp fall in the New Zealand / US dollar exchange rate.
    In mid-July the exchange rate was about 0.6750. Today it is around 0.6300. That is a drop of 6.7%. Remember that oil is traded in US dollars so a drop in the exchange rate makes the price here higher.
    Robertson is happy of course. It raises the tax take for him to squander.
    
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    October 7, 2019 1:28pm
- ross411
  
  What are you talking about, that’s just more room for taxes to pay for the Chardonnay socialists personal train service in Auckland.
  
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  October 7, 2019 10:25am
- Inandout
  
  igm, a quote from the throne:
  
  ‘A landmark report into the fuel industry by the country’s competition watchdog shows New Zealanders are being “fleeced at the pump”, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern says.
  
  The draft report into the $10 billion fuel industry stated that petrol companies appeared to have made “excess returns” for most of the past 10 years, with profits “persistently above the returns earned by comparable firms internationally”.
  
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  October 7, 2019 12:03pm
  - igm
    
    That we already knew. Thanks.
    
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    October 7, 2019 3:10pm
Rich Prick

The klimate kidz protest is a fizzer in Wellington. I suppose being school holidays, there’s no day off to be had.
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October 7, 2019 8:53am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Ah yes, logistics and a calendar, the fatal defects that always undermine the woke left!
  
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  October 7, 2019 9:03am
- Rich Prick
  
  Feel free to have a chuckle at Stuff’s photos.
  
  https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/116360580/live-extinction-rebellion-climate-campaigners-take-to-the-capital
  
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  October 7, 2019 9:09am
  - Charmaine Hawke
    
    No chuckle in this household, my husband has been locked out of work and as a contractor also income.
    
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    October 7, 2019 9:21am
  - sooty
    
    A lot of bloody ugly ones in there, you wiuld think it was a convention of the uglyies!
    
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    October 7, 2019 9:26am
  - alex Masterley
    
    Not many there.
    And I see a lot of plastic, steel, fibre glass on display. All things made using natural resources.
    I do hope they tidy up after themselves.
    
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    October 7, 2019 9:28am
    - Rich Prick
      
      Mostly ageing hippies, mental health cases and millennials at the left end of the employability bell-curve.
      
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      October 7, 2019 10:07am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Bell-Ends ?
        
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        October 7, 2019 10:19am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Mmmnn- I see I will have to review my wardrobe.
    Obviously to be taken seriously as a professional protester one must have a good supply of funny hats -especially berets- eccentric clothing and a dog.
    Look at me, look at me, look at me………
    
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    October 7, 2019 9:38am
  - Tall Man
    
    Why are some wearing “vagina” hats?
    
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    October 7, 2019 9:41am
    - kowtow
      
      Cos they’re c#nts.
      
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      October 7, 2019 10:23am
  - ross411
    
    Hahahahaha!
    
    Amber McEwan is one of six protesters blockading the main MBIE entrance with hands superglued together.
    Workers unable to get in the building had been largely understanding, she said.
    “We have just been trying to talk to them and help them understand we are in the same position,”
    
    Yes, they are. They’re both unemployable. The protesters because they are no hopers. And the workers because the protesters do pointless things that get in the way of them working.
    
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    October 7, 2019 10:36am
    - chaos
      
      that’s great, I fully support them gluing their hands together. Damn, wish I was there to help them, give them plenty of water to stay hydrated, and just for kicks to see what happens as the water goes through them and they realise they need to pee but argh our hands
      
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      October 7, 2019 11:10am
    - peterwn
      
      There is a back entrance AFAIK unless the Janitors Union has refused to allow it to be unlocked.
      
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      October 7, 2019 1:11pm
      - ross411
        
        You would have thought so, and so would I, but someone else here claimed their husband couldn’t get in and was not able to earn as a contractor.
        
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        October 7, 2019 2:18pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Not much evidence of global warming hitting downtown Wellington… The folks are all wearing jackets or hoodies and long trou…
    
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    October 7, 2019 10:41am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      I see they’re forecasting the coldest winter in 30 years for the UK. I wonder how that will fit with the “Global Warming” narrative…
      
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      October 7, 2019 11:18am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        The sun spots are still packing a sad too. There has been 200 days without them in 2019. Ice skating coming to the Hutt River?
        
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        October 7, 2019 12:12pm
  - jonno1
    
    I loved the tiny man standing on the back of the black dog. Excellent balancing skills.
    
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    October 7, 2019 10:43am
  - Nermal
    
    Looks like none of them needed to take a day off work
    
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    October 7, 2019 5:14pm
- chaos
  
  Nothing to do with the kids, this group of eco terrorists are a far different and more dangerous group than the school kids
  
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  October 7, 2019 10:37am
- Inandout
  
  RP, it looks like Capping Week once was.
  
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  October 7, 2019 12:06pm
Michael

https://asianinvasion2019.blogspot.com/2019/10/auckland-council-elections-response-to.html

Does it all really matter?

Auckland is a just a bigger mess than it was before a super city?
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October 7, 2019 9:01am
- backster
  
  Yep but whose advice to follow. Maybe we should assess which each of them thinks of the job Donald Trump and Nancy Pelosi are doing and vote accordingly.
  
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  October 7, 2019 11:37am
Shut the hell up you Fascist!

What do the following cities have in common?

Chennai , Santiago, Baghdad, Ankara, Yangon, St Petersburg, Kolkata

ONLY 10 citizens are sufficiently concerned about Al Gore’s impending climate ‘crisis’ to protest.

In other words, it’s cult of rich white kids with NOTHING else in their pampered lives to live for.

PATHETIC.
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October 7, 2019 9:15am
- Tall Man
  
  The “plan” of the coalition is to fragment New Zealand as much as possible as that denies us a stable government but allows the left to milk the various “issues” for their own benefit.
  
  I have never seen so much division within New Zealand between races, income levels, sexes all the way down to “violence” being an option for climate nutters.
  
  We have a coalition of political misfits with completely differing policies that they all “pursue” yet will never achieve as they are not even in the same book let alone on the same page. \\Much like “question time”… they think they’ve dome something if they merely address the issue or form a working group.
  
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  October 7, 2019 10:06am
- The King
  
  Climate change is a dead dog tactic to deceive people about immigration, if you actually pay attention the government is doing nothing about climate change and is rolling out new immigration laws everyday.
  
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  October 7, 2019 10:26am
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND: ANOTHER GOVERNMENT IMMIGRATION FAILURE …

Government reverses previous clampdown by the National administration on parents of migrants being allowed to settle here; move follows a previous reversal by this Govt on temporary visas … David Hargreaves … Interest Co NZ

https://www.interest.co.nz/business/102008/government-reverses-previous-clampdown-national-administration-parents-migrants

The Labour-led coalition Government has reversed another of the previous Government’s clamp-downs on immigration by saying it will allow parents of skilled migrants to settle in New Zealand.

This follows a recent similar reversal on the National Government’s restrictions placed on family members of temporary visa holders being allowed to come here. …

… In the run up to the 2017 election, now Immigration Minister Iain Lees-Galloway said in a July 2017 media release: “Labour will take a breather on immigration while making record investments in housing, health, education, and infrastructure. We will close down the backdoor route to residency through low-level courses and low-value work.”

Current Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters is someone who has had previous issues with the numbers of parents coming into New Zealand.

This is the full announcement from the Government released on Monday: … read more via hyperlink above …
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… When is the Labour – led government BELATEDLY ALLOWING new affordable housing to be built … as promised ?

The long history on this issue ( refer http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org ) and the latest IPSOS ISSUES MONITOR make it clear housing is STILL the major issue by a country mile clear to the Labour – led government ? …

The IPSOS New Zealand Issues Monitor – July 2019

https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2019-08/6th_ipsos_new_zealand_issues_monitor_released_1_aug_19.pdf
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October 7, 2019 9:27am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Children and migrants aged 60 and over are making up an increasing percentage of immigrants … Greg Ninness … Interest Co NZ
  
  https://www.interest.co.nz/property/102012/children-and-migrants-aged-60-and-over-are-making-increasing-percentage-migrants
  
  The Government’s decision to open the door to the parents of migrants to settle in New Zealand comes as the number of migrants aged 60 or over coming to NZ hits a high.
  
  Statistics NZ figures show 8923 migrants aged 60 or over arrived in this country in the 12 months to the end of July. That was the highest number since Statistics NZ began compiling the information in 2015. … read more via hyperlink above …
  
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  October 7, 2019 12:35pm
RW Capitalist

https://www.national.org.nz/phil_two_lane_twyford_scraps_yet_another_expressway
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October 7, 2019 9:43am
- mandk
  
  Yes, but we don’t know yet whether it is Twyford or Genter making these decisions.
  
  Release that letter.
  
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  October 7, 2019 10:17am
Jack5

An interesting take on Reserve Bank governor Adrian Orr in the Sunday Star-Times, and analysis of his stand-off with the banks continues at the Croaking Cassandra blog:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/116163751/portrait-of-the-governor-as-a-strongman-the-complicated-heroics-of-adrian-orr
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October 7, 2019 10:08am
Odakyu-sen

This morning’s NZ Herald has a font-page article about “short-term housing for the homeless.” Reading the article, one gets the impression that homeless people are poor and vulnerable, but no different from everyone else.
How would a “homeless” person be different from a typical tenant?
What are their special needs?

On one hand, you can demand that homeless people be treated no differently from other people, but on the other hand, you can also demand that homeless people behave like other people. If they really are equivalent, then this should not be a problem.

So, in your experience, what makes homeless people “special”?
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October 7, 2019 10:15am
- Maggie Pie
  
  If I had a dollar for every homeless person on Queen Street that asked me if I had any change – I’d still say no.
  
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  October 7, 2019 10:27am
- Jack5
  
  Some of the homeless are schizophrenics who would have been housed in State houses/institutions if they hadn’t been abandoned.
  
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  October 7, 2019 10:34am
  - kowtow
    
    Mental illness . Alcoholism just a symptom.
    
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    October 7, 2019 1:44pm
    - Nermal
      
      Actually alcoholism is a treatable illness. Denial is it’s main symptom
      
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      October 7, 2019 5:20pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Alcoholism is a main driver. Many of the “homeless” have lost the ability to cope. Being with similar others is easier.
  
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  October 7, 2019 12:16pm
- oob
  
  My neighbour is a detective in the police. He tells me the overwhelming majority (<80%) of the "homeless" beggars in the Auckland CBD are convicted sex offenders.
  
  Apparently the sex offenders are the hardest to house, for instance because of the duty of care the various social housing providers have to the other tenants in group homes.
  
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  October 7, 2019 5:39pm
ross411

Another day and Trump the despot is still in power despite Kelly anne conway’s husbands internet angst and David’s tears over them.

How can zis be? Sacre bleu!
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October 7, 2019 10:29am
chaos

Bridges has a nice voice, lol. Love it, prepared to step outside the political box

* Simon Bridges has shown off some hidden skills after he was filmed singing a love song to National supporters.

Appearing at a ‘Pinoys go National’ event on the weekend – organised by Nat-supporting New Zealanders of Filipino descent – Bridges stunned the audience with an emotional cover of an Elvis Presley classic, ‘Love Me Tender’.*

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/10/simon-bridges-shows-off-singing-skills-with-love-song-to-national-audience.html
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October 7, 2019 10:42am
- mandk
  
  Filipinos make wonderful NZers and natural National supporters.
  
  The vast majority are very law-abiding, family-focused, and really good workers.
  
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  October 7, 2019 11:00am
DigNap15

If the TV3 poll questions are correct I’d love to see the answers to the last one
Climate Emergency
on Trademe there was a recent informal poll about the ETS Carbon trading scheme
And it was really about 90 to 10 against it
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October 7, 2019 10:47am
Tony Stuart

Amber McEwan is one of six protesters blockading the main MBIE entrance with hands superglued together.
Workers unable to get in the building had been largely understanding, she said.

Does anyone know if there are any petroleum products in superglue? Asking for a friend…
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October 7, 2019 10:55am
- chaos
  
  I think it is great, especially when they need to go bathroom, whoops, shit someone unglue my hands quick. Maybe a laxative in the free food someone can go give them
  
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  October 7, 2019 11:11am
- alex Masterley
  
  How do you remove superglue?
  That’s what I want to know.
  
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  October 7, 2019 11:39am
  - Inandout
    
    alex, there is a solution which dissolves the glue.
    
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    October 7, 2019 12:09pm
    - alex Masterley
      
      Good old wiki just told me that acetone is used to dissolve superglue.
      Also the main component of in super glue is cyanoacrylate a man made compound. I hoep that the protesters appreciate the irony.
      
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      October 7, 2019 12:25pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        Yep – and they better not get any on any cotton containing fibre (jeans, cotton etc) rather spectacular exothermic reaction can occur.
        
        And they’re also lucky the cyanide in the acrylate is polymerized and not free as polymerization renders it fairly non-toxic.
        
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        October 7, 2019 2:59pm
  - Pharmachick
    
    Acetone
    
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    October 7, 2019 12:32pm
    - MH
      
      spills into the cesspits and out into the briney.
      
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      October 7, 2019 4:18pm
    - cmm
      
      Aka nail varnish remover.
      
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      October 7, 2019 4:37pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        Yes and no… I have access to 100% acetone in my lab, that’s what’s needed. Nail polish remover is between 15 and 65% acetone, along with alcohol and oil, get the higher end one and it will likely do the job.
        
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        October 7, 2019 6:08pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Perhaps the glue could be kept topped up.
  
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  October 7, 2019 12:17pm
chaos

How not to clean your car

https://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/116372788/car-wash-collapses-on-vehicle-at-timarus-z-caroline-bay-service-station
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October 7, 2019 11:04am
Sacha

I hope they stay conjoined until the glue deteriorates enough to let them go. A photographic diary and commentary would be educational I think.
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October 7, 2019 11:05am
Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes

Was I dreaming, or was this supposed to be the yeard of delivery from this government? Can we get some sort of tally or reporting of what they have actually delivered ? I dont recall anything good or tangible being announced as delivered ? #worstgovtever #notmyPM #parttimePM #loadsofairmiles #muletoothedcommunitsisaliar
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October 7, 2019 11:07am
rangitoto

Oh dear, how sad, never mind:

https://twitter.com/democracymum/status/1180969534565408768/photo/1
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October 7, 2019 11:29am
burt

From Stuff:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/116360580/live-extinction-rebellion-climate-campaigners-take-to-the-capital

Oriah Rose, who is lying on the corner of Stout St and Ballance st, is wrapped in two survival blankets and a sleeping bag.
“It is so cold,” she said.
“You can’t move – most of us haven’t eaten or drunken anything because we can’t go to the toilet.”
She was attached, with hands connected inside pipes, to other protesters, most now covered in anything that could be found to keep them warm.

So, help me out here – the world is ‘literally’ on fire?
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October 7, 2019 11:35am
- ross411
  
  Let’s be fair. They’re nutjobs roped into a doomsday cult, but because it is cold on one occasion that looks poorly for them, does not mean that the too hot occasions or whatever do not also exist at other times.
  
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  October 7, 2019 11:45am
  - burt
    
    I understand that when it’s hot it’s climate change but when it’s cold it’s weather.
    
    I’ll breath in 400 ppm CO2 and breath out 40,000 ppm CO2 and when I do so I’ll praise the High Priest Gore for helping push the hockey stick scam.
    
    Oh, and I understand that at 3 molecules of CO2 per 10,000 molecules of air everything is perfect but at 4 molecules of CO2 per 10,000 of air we have a climate crisis – I know, I know…
    
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    October 7, 2019 1:17pm
    - cmm
      
      To the Great Unwashed 400ppm sounds huge – like you’re struggling to breath.
      
      No matter that a person getting CPR is getting approx 10,000 ppm – or more than 20 times as much CO2.
      
      And CPR is the Kiss of Life, not the Kiss of Death.
      
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      October 7, 2019 4:36pm
      - Kabull
        
        and 5000ppm is fine in the ISS or a submarine…
        
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        October 7, 2019 9:40pm
- chaos
  
  Yes, it’s very hot today, hang on I need to go put another log on the fire. Brrrrr, so hot, inside.
  
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  October 7, 2019 11:49am
- Inandout
  
  burt, she could piss herself or use a (glass) lemonade bottle.
  
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  October 7, 2019 12:13pm
chaos

Interesting article

* GARDENERS WITH A keen sense of history can now forge a botanical link with a plant which hasn’t been seen on these shores for millions of years.
A species of Ecuadorian coconut has been successfully propagated here by Auckland nurseryman and South American plant enthusiast Dick Endt. Its seeds bear a striking resemblance to fossilised New Zealand coconuts dating from 10-45 million years ago.

During much of the past 65 million years—the Tertiary period—New Zealand’s climate was significantly wanner than it is today. Reef corals flourished in northern waters and coconut palms grew over much of the country as mean annual temperatures hovered between 20 and 25°C. (Auckland’s mean annual temperature today is 15°.)

Evidence that a more subtropical New Zealand once supported coconuts takes the form of fossil coconuts which are periodically washed up on Coopers Beach, near Mangonui, after being eroded from lignite and sandstone reefs that lie just offshore. The nuts were first reported in the scientific literature in 1926, and have since been found not just in Northland but in inland sites in South Canterbury, Hawkes Bay and Gisborne. They are about the size of walnuts, but have been flattened by long burial in the marine sediments where they lodged so many million years ago. Carbonisation has rendered them black and as hard as bullets.*

https://www.nzgeo.com/stories/cultivating-our-tropical-past/
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October 7, 2019 12:01pm
- Brian Marshall
  
  Great to know that man was causing climate change 9 to 44 million years before modern man walked on earth.
  
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  October 7, 2019 3:23pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Alternatively, the sediments in which the prehistoric coconuts became buried gradually moved south on the tectonic plate to a place with a cooler climate.
  
  “Is the sea rising or is the land sinking?”
  
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  October 7, 2019 7:57pm
Maggie Pie

My partner just popped back home with a couple of KrispyKremes for our lunch.
I actually thought he raised a rather interesting question –
“Should the type of person who commutes daily by Train into Central Wellington, from say the Hutt Valley or Porirua, be the same person that’s allowed to make decisions as to who should, or should not, be allowed into our country?”
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October 7, 2019 12:49pm
- chaos
  
  Is he really your partner, I’m beginning to think that maybe you think you are in your home but you’re on a sugar high and set up home at KrispyKremes?
  
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  October 7, 2019 1:43pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  You think public servants who commute should be prohibited from working for immigration NZ?
  
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  October 7, 2019 1:47pm
  - Tall Man
    
    She hurt your feelings mikey?
    
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    October 7, 2019 2:13pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Let me put it this way. Whenever my partner is looking to employ somebody,
    one of the first questions he asks them at the interview is : “Did you come by public transport?”
    If the answer is in the affirmative, they are immediately excluded from contention.
    
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    October 7, 2019 2:18pm
    - Batman
      
      Hah! That’s fucking ridiculous.
      
      Frankly, catching public transport and using the time to read or do anything else with one’s brain, is far better than partaking in stop-start traffic!
      
      It sounds rather like you and your partner don’t live in Wellington, Maggie, so I would suggest you have little basis for your views ?
      
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      October 7, 2019 2:24pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Could be a bit of you Batman 🙂
        
        https://i.imgflip.com/nrur3.jpg
        
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        October 7, 2019 2:52pm
      - srylands
        
        There are arguments both ways. I have had some pleasant train trips (rarely bus). But I have also had trips where I have been exposed to screeching children and people talking on their cell phones. Good luck with working.
        
        In a car, I can at least listen to a podcast or Mahler. I am sure that is much better for my brain.
        
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        October 7, 2019 3:38pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      I should also add, the same applies if they say, “No. I rode my bike here”
      
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      October 7, 2019 2:29pm
      - chaos
        
        What if they say “my partner dropped me off in the crown limo”?
        
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        October 7, 2019 3:41pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Come on Chaos, they’d never do a days work their whole lives.
        
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        October 7, 2019 6:30pm
    - Psycho Milt
      
      If the answer is in the affirmative, they are immediately excluded from contention.
      
      Sounds like many applicants unwittingly get a lucky break in not ending up with a loon for a boss.
      
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      October 7, 2019 4:21pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Dosen’t sound like you’d make it past first base either Milty … LOL!!!
        
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        October 7, 2019 6:20pm
      - Tall Man
        
        How about the sexual predator where you pretend to work? How do the people that get stuck with him feel or is that ok as he votes labour?
        
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        October 7, 2019 6:29pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Aucklander…. No surprises there 😉
      
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      October 7, 2019 5:38pm
  - srylands
    
    No she said those from Porirua and the Hutt Valley.
    
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    October 7, 2019 2:18pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Public servants should be kept as far away from immigration as possible. Leave the decisions about how we demographically shape our society to officials elected by the people.
    
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    October 7, 2019 7:58pm
    - Batman
      
      Yeah, sure, can’t see that backfiring at all under a Labour Green govt eh?
      
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      October 7, 2019 8:46pm
- Tall Man
  
  Actually Maggie we all know that “the minister” makes “all” those decisions…. well the ones that are mates of the bullshitter anyway.
  
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  October 7, 2019 2:12pm
Komata

Concerning ‘Extinction Rebellion’, (and as I’m not sure if its been published here before) this might be of interest.

Based on what is in the article, it is reasonable to surmise that the woman portrayed as being a leader of the Wellington protests isn’t doing what she is doing ‘for the good of the planet’, and that her bank balance has probably recently received a substantial ‘contribution’ from off-shore sources…

It always comes back to the money…
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October 7, 2019 12:58pm
- Rich Prick
  
  The pay can’t be that good judging by the losers who bothered to turn up. Those who did, look like they can stretch 50 cents a long way in an op-shop.
  
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  October 7, 2019 2:07pm
Komata

Apologies for the absence of the link in my previous post; my computer ate it…!!

Herewith the link, make of it as you will, It seems relevant. !

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2019/08/03/is-george-soros-funding-extinction-rebellion/
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October 7, 2019 1:04pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Soros is believed to be funding The Thunderous Greta. He seems to thrive on causing strife then taking financial positions against currency movements etc. Fundamentally a rogue.
  
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  October 7, 2019 3:12pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  I thought it was the Lizard People who are funding Extinction Rebellion?
  
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  October 7, 2019 4:23pm
  - chaos
    
    Didn’t know you could afford to fund it
    
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    October 7, 2019 6:31pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Like most losers he’s likes using other people’s money as he has little of his own.
      
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      October 7, 2019 7:35pm
Hugh Pavletich

… HONG KONG …

Hong Kong Violence Sends Home Prices Tumbling Over 20%, Puts HSBC In The Crosshairs … Zerohedge

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/explosion-violence-hong-kong-drags-home-prices-down-20

Hong Kong’s desperate homeowners slash prices by 20 per cent after unprecedented violence on National Day … South China Morning Post

https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3031318/hong-kongs-desperate-homeowners-slash-prices-20-cent-after-unprecedented
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- Hugh Pavletich
  
  https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/10/links-7-october-2019/#comment-3512919
  
  FreddyOctober 7, 2019 at 3:06 pm
  
  Bank runs all over Hong Kong now. ATM machines running out of cash but there is something more important…failed leader carrie lam(b) can now officially confiscate bank accounts and assets without recourse. The HK legal system is essentially gone
  
  https://twitter.com/Jkylebass/status/1180553806846791681
  
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  October 7, 2019 6:12pm
MCos

Tweet of the day
https://twitter.com/spilleroftea/status/1180737948230311937?s=21
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October 7, 2019 1:18pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Twitter users in Uxbridge apparently trying to find this lady and buy her a drink.
  
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  October 7, 2019 2:34pm
srylands

Why are the climate protestors gluing their hands to the ANZ Bank windows?

Perhaps the fire brigade can get a glazier to cut around them and send them on their way attached to the window. Sure it would cost ANZ a new window but that’s probably not a big deal.
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October 7, 2019 2:21pm
- rangitoto
  
  Best just to leave them there.
  
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  October 7, 2019 2:32pm
- Rich Prick
  
  According to Stuff, big oil or some such. I’m not sure they have the horse power to figure out that the ANZ is a bank and not an oil company. Or, given they walked right past Westpac, ASB and the BNZ … John Key, probably. They are wired differently to normal people, so who knows.
  
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  October 7, 2019 2:39pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    It’s Orr of the Reserve Bank of NZ, now under Robbos eyeful, who’s trying to finger Key.
    The PTPM may be involved too.
    
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    October 7, 2019 3:06pm
  - cmm
    
    ” ANZ is a bank”
    
    Ummm ANZ is short for Air New Zealand. They burn heaps of fossil fuel and they employ John Key…..
    
    …don’t they?
    
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    October 7, 2019 3:54pm
- alex Masterley
  
  I am trying to work out why people go to the trouble of glueing themselves to, for example a window, then a short while later unglue themselves so they can make a nuisance of themselves elsewhere.
  Surely these people would garner some respect if they had some strength of character and stayed glued for the earlier of a couple of days or the loosening of their bladder/bowels!
  
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  October 7, 2019 2:51pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Easier to throw eggs at them as well when they stuck fast 🙂
    
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    October 7, 2019 5:36pm
- burt
  
  Or, get a recording of trickling water sounds and play it loud around them.
  
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  October 7, 2019 2:56pm
  - srylands
    
    Reportedly they have deliberately dehydrated themselves to help with that.
    
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    October 7, 2019 3:01pm
  - david
    
    A recording of Barry Manila would have the same effect.
    
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    October 7, 2019 5:25pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  They are just copying the technique employed by their”Leaders” – a privileged lot of Brits.
  
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6927195/The-faces-Extinction-Rebellion-climate-change-chaos.html
  
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  October 7, 2019 3:14pm
  - Tall Man
    
    At least the cops cleared that lot away.
    
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    October 7, 2019 5:35pm
- kowtow
  
  They’ve been targetting ANZ for some time now. They consider them to be investors in hydrocarbons and want to bully them out of that.
  
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  October 7, 2019 3:56pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  I think a suitable song played at volume on loop would be an appropriate response, fingernails on chalk at high volume: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13d5d6LVEpU perhaps get a few people to vomit around them or accidentally drop a bucket of poo or offal on the ground near them. A few open containers of Surstömming just upwind (rotten fish, makes people hurl)
  
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  October 7, 2019 4:25pm
- rangitoto
  
  Are they licking the windows?
  
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  October 7, 2019 4:53pm
Fletch

Ukrainian “anti corruption” official discussing aiding Hillary in the 2016 election.

https://twitter.com/BlazeTV/status/1180309130164109312/video/1

Beck goes through the whole Ukraine thing in a two hour video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuvfYE7ZdL0&t=10s
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October 7, 2019 2:31pm
- chaos
  
  https://twitter.com/Jim_Jordan/status/1180114867052843009
  
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  October 7, 2019 3:20pm
john1234

These Extinction Rebellion morons are as funny as all hell:
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/10/extinction-rebellion-protesters-super-glue-themselves-to-window-of-wellington-anz-bank.html

Just leave them there overnight and let them piss their pants.
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October 7, 2019 4:29pm
- chaos
  
  They’re being arrested
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12274141
  
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  October 7, 2019 6:00pm
  - kowtow
    
    all were released without charge.
    
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    October 7, 2019 8:59pm
chaos

* A magnitude 5.2 earthquake has hit the east coast of the North Island, near Gisborne.

The quake,15 km west of Matawai, was recorded by GeoNet at 4.29pm on Monday.

The quake was 51 kilometres deep and was felt along the entire east coast.*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/116254025/moderate-52-earthquake-rattles-north-islands-east-coast
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October 7, 2019 4:50pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I didn’t notice it… standing at the kitchen sink.
  Hubby did… sitting on the Throne.
  
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  October 7, 2019 6:16pm
  - skyblue
    
    Hubby probably caused the quake then?.
    
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    October 8, 2019 12:15am
wreck1080

Chris trotter praise roger Douglas and absolutely dumps on labour as incompetent fools… true of course but coming from trotter??

https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/102007/chris-trotter-catches-roger-douglas-and-cant-help-comparing-and-contrasting-his
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October 7, 2019 6:16pm
- fernglas
  
  It’s not surprising. Trotter is old school left. The current Labour caucus is closer to National than him politically. Plus, incompetence is incompetence whatever political stripe it may be. If you were a leftie looking for a transformational government under the red flag, you would be angry too. That’s where this lot is vulnerable; a true left-wing party would tear chunks off their vote.
  
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  October 7, 2019 7:29pm
chaos

Petrol lotto still alive and well

* A Timaru resident who recently made a comparison of petrol prices in 15 towns and cities during a business trip along the east coast of the South Island believes Timaru residents are paying “excessive” amounts at the pump.

“The prices are shocking,” Kirk Martin said.

Having taken note of prices as he travelled from Picton to Timaru, and noting the price of fuel on the app Gaspy, Martin said he was riled up to see prices ranged from $2.15 to $2.28 with Timaru easily the highest at $2.36…..

Gull New Zealand general manager Dave Bodger said it was “shocking” motorists in Timaru were being charged as much as $2.36 at the pump.

“Timaru retailing fuel at $2.36 is shocking,” Bodger said.

“We look to make money by offering a lower price and making people happy. Other people make money by having a high price but why people make their prices high is entirely up to them.”*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/116261358/shock-at-south-canterbury-fuel-prices
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October 7, 2019 6:19pm
infused

Interesting post on China from Reddit:

Well China has done A LOT more than just this in their never-ending campaign to annihilate human rights. So maybe this is the last straw.

Hundreds of human rights lawyers (not even dissidents, just the LAWYERS who defended people) were snatched by gestapo all over China in what is known as the 709 Crackdown.

One of those lawyers, Wang Quanzhang was sentenced to 4.5 years for “subversion of state power”. But that’s not enough. China actually went after Wang’s 6-year-old son, forcing him out of his school and banning any other school from taking him in.

A dissident, [Wang Bingzhang](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Bingzhang_(dissident)) was kidnapped by Chinese agents in Vietnam and sentenced to life in prison after a closed trial that lasted 1 day.

A man wore a t-shirt with the word “Xitler” on it and was disappeared. Eventually he was tried for “subversion of state power” while barred from meeting with lawyers

Another man, Wang Meiyu hold up a placard calling for Xi’s resignation & democracy. He was arrested for “picking quarrels”. He ended up dead in custody.

A woman live streamed herself splashing ink on a Xi poster. She was disappeared. Her last social media update: “Right now there are a group of people wearing uniforms outside my door. I’ll go out after I change my clothes. I did not commit a crime. The people and groups that hurt me are the ones who are guilty”. Later on there was report of her being sent to a psychiatric hospital

After the ink-splash woman’s disappearance her father made a series of broadcast to call attention to her plight. He ended up getting taken away by the police in the middle of a live stream

5 people associated with a Hong Kong bookstore that sold titles such as “Xi Jinping and His Six Women” were disappeared. Only one managed to escape back to HK. He held a press briefing to tell the world about his kidnapping by China. He’s now in exile in Taiwan. The other 4 are still somewhere in China.

And, of course

1.5 million Uyghurs rounded up in concentration camps

Leaked footage of a large number of blindfolded Uyghurs shackled together

A Canadian journalist wanted to debunk reports of Chinese anti-Muslim repression so he went on a stage-managed show tour put on by China. That means he only saw a fake Potemkin village that China actually thought was acceptable by Western standard. But the brutality of even this fake Potemkin village stunned him. Now imagine what’s really happening in the real concentration camps where millions of Uyghurs are being held. Imagine how bad the true situation is.

Using minorities & political prisoners as free organ farms. A doctor’s eye witness account: ‘The prisoner was brought in, tied hand and foot, but very much alive. The army doctor in charge sliced him open from chest to belly button and exposed his two kidneys. Then the doctor ordered Zheng to remove the man’s eyeballs. Hearing that, the dying prisoner gave him a look of sheer terror, and Zheng froze. “I can’t do it,” he told the doctor, who then quickly scooped out the man’s eyeballs himself.’

Call for retraction of 400 Chinese scientific papers amid fears organs came from Chinese prisoners

15 Chinese studies retracted due to fears they used Chinese prisoners’ organs

Cultural genocide (and organ harvests, of course). A uyghur’s testimony: “First, children were stopped from learning about the Quran, then from going to mosques. It was followed by bans on ramadan, growing beards, giving Islamic names to your baby, etc. Then our language was attacked – we didn’t get jobs if we didn’t know Mandarin. Our passports were collected, we were told to spy on each other, innocent Uyghur prisoners were killed for organ harvesting”

China is moving beyond Uyghur and cracking down on its model minority Hui Muslim. ‘Afraid We Will Become The Next Xinjiang’: China’s Hui Muslims Face Crackdown: “The same restrictions that preceded the Xinjiang crackdown on Uighur Muslims are now appearing in Hui-dominated regions. Hui mosques have been forcibly renovated or shuttered, schools demolished, and religious community leaders imprisoned. Hui who have traveled internationally are increasingly detained or sent to reeducation facilities in Xinjiang.”

see https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/de1ysj/china_accused_of_genocide_over_forced_abortions/
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October 7, 2019 7:53pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Chinese leadership are fucking monsters. As evil as Hitler and Stalin ever were.
  
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  October 7, 2019 9:52pm
- wreck1080
  
  And still you get people who say the USA is just as bad as china, regarding civil rights.
  
  Often in the context of the Huawei argument, that China can be trusted but not the US.
  
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