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Maggy Wassilieff

Another indicator that NZ’s economy is in decline:
increasing Gang membership

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/116342180/patched-gang-members-increase-opposition-says-government-soft-on-crime
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October 6, 2019 8:09am
- Happychappy
  
  Yes Maggie and the gang confrontation that returned to Huntlys main street yesterday.
  
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  October 6, 2019 8:19am
  - Tall Man
    
    Seal the streets and only let the last survivor out.
    
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    October 6, 2019 8:55am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Huntly; where do you think they film ‘The Walking Dead’?
      
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      October 6, 2019 9:33am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Emboldened.
    
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    October 6, 2019 12:52pm
- harvey wilson
  
  Soft on crime you say?
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/10/support-grows-for-man-who-raped-5yo-in-turangi-to-go-back-to-jail-following-early-release.html
  
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  October 6, 2019 8:26am
  - kevn
    
    @harvey… It is the public pushing rather than authorities.
    
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    October 6, 2019 8:32am
    - igm
      
      Little and Davis will order his release no doubt . . . he is the apple of Labour’s eye!
      
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      October 6, 2019 9:09am
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        Yes, he’s from a Protected Group.
        
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        October 6, 2019 11:20am
      - mark15
        
        Police too busy figuring out new firearms legislation?
        
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        October 6, 2019 11:33am
      - sooty
        
        Fit right in wont he on the 9th floor!
        
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        October 6, 2019 11:44am
    - JackRabbit
      
      Jacinda banned plastic bags after “soliciting” 65,000 petition signatures from vulnerable school children by visiting schools and putting the fear of climate change into them. She stated that 65,000 signatures was too much to ignore. 65,000 signatures out of a pool of 4,000,000.
      
      So 66,000 concerned citizens out of a what will be a much much smaller pool. After all justice is served by a jury of your peers, and if 66,000 peers don’t agree with his release, it needs reviewing.
      
      If Little and Davis order his release, without an independent review in response to public outrage, they may as well re-instate plastic bags, remove the latest petrol tax, and re-instate drilling for oil.
      
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      October 6, 2019 12:36pm
  - Tall Man
    
    He only needs a hug from our good for little else ptpm.
    
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    October 6, 2019 8:55am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      JAG and the refugee MP can sing nursery rhymes to cool him down.
      
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      October 6, 2019 10:41am
    - JackRabbit
      
      @Tall Man
      
      Aren’t Labour looking for a replacement to look after the Labour Youth? The test to see if Labour agree with his release would be to ask: “Upon his release, would you be willing to take him on, to look after the Labour Youth Camps: And would the young Labour girls be happy to have him around?” If the answer is no, you have your answer and he should stay inside. If he is truly reformed, he would pose no risk.
      
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      October 6, 2019 12:42pm
  - record guy
    
    Let’s not forget AU is giving us a helping hand with increasing the numbers by deporting all the gang members they don’t want
    
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    October 6, 2019 9:19am
- kowtow
  
  We have a govt hell bent on villifying licensed fireams owners and talking real tough if any should fail to surrender after the deadline ( no I don’t recommend breaking the law) while going all out to hug crims .
  
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  October 6, 2019 9:20am
- Humble Capitalist
  
  Nash said he was going to get tough on gangs a couple of years back. About as believable as homes for all.
  
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  October 6, 2019 9:43am
- mark15
  
  By the look of things in the same timeframe more people joined gangs than the police.
  Good work Nash!!!
  
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  October 6, 2019 12:06pm
- Piniwi
  
  Funny MW @ 8.09 am this gem was followed by the Minister of Health saying they have increased the nursing numbers by 1500 since they were elected. The COL are scratching for some good news to push along with a rush of promotion of the SLG so perhaps there is a poll on the way soon. Unfortunately it has most likely been put on hold as the recent UN jaunt yielded little to help the cause plus there are a raft of serious issues still needing cleaning up. The carpet is already pretty bumpy so many past “solutions” as they have worked through the “process”.
  
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  October 6, 2019 11:52pm
Luke Piewalker

#1 election pledge

Audit all Provincial Growth Fund payments. You receive money from Shane Jones and will be subject to an extensive audit.

There’s some utu for you Winston. You will go down in history and be only remembered for the corrupt fraud you really are.
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October 6, 2019 8:13am
- KevO'Brien
  
  That is already the situation. Th PGF payments would be “public monies” so automatically come under the review of the Auditor General.
  
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  October 6, 2019 8:40am
- Yvette
  
  The further hypocrisy displayed by Winston is evidenced in his paranoic “waka-jumping” law.
  The reason given for that is the importance of preserving the party voting results as recorded in the Election. There is absolutely no endeavour to preserve policies voted for.
  
  Further, it would seem, the waka-jumping (laughing known as the “electoral integrity” bill) applies to List Members. Electoral Members would seem to face attempted re-election in a forced by-Election, which of course can change the party balance.
  Which party has List Members only?
  
  So what is of ultimate importance, is how you voted (numbers), not why you voted or for what (policies) you voted.
  
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  October 6, 2019 9:05am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  He opted for a transformational government than a modified status quo. He is corrupt to the core and still defending this government every step of the way.
  
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  October 6, 2019 10:42am
- herb1
  
  And audit any connections with PGF grandees and payments to any entities or individuals connected to NZF.
  I wonder if the above is ny reason for the NZF Presidents resignation
  
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  October 6, 2019 4:37pm
Happychappy

Watch out for Stuart Nash to blame everyone apart from Labour themselves over people ending up with bad reactions from drugs at a Concert in Auckland last evening.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12273937
I have no sympathy for those that make stupid decisions like drug consumption or Labour for them and their policy of testing it for people to take it.
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October 6, 2019 8:14am
- Wayne
  
  Are you aware that we all make stupid decisions at times?? And in particular, people who are aged around 18, tend to be very prone to making stupid decisions and this is a normal part of human development….
  
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  October 6, 2019 10:12am
Swifty

I’ve been thinking overnight that National is the only party that can be trusted to honour their 2020 election policies.

One of the downsides of MMP is that in establishing coalitions the horsetrading renders pre-election pledges meaningless. This means that Laboour, the Greens and NZF can promise the world and renege with impunity by blaming the compromises that coalitions bring (Winston, among other things pledged to buy back the power companies – what happened to that?)

More should be made of this.

National is the only party who can be trusted to deliver what they pledge.
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October 6, 2019 8:25am
- KevO'Brien
  
  ☑️☑️
  
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  October 6, 2019 8:42am
- Luke Piewalker
  
  @Swifty. Cindy tilts her head with a concerned face and announces she will form a working group.
  
  That’s all that matters right?
  
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  October 6, 2019 8:47am
  - Humble Capitalist
    
    Luke we need to have a ‘conversation’
    Reprogramming needed for you Piewalker
    
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    October 6, 2019 9:49am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Yep, she has many faces! A serious face for climate, another serious face for poverdy, another tilted face about Labour sex claims…many faces of a the worst PM we ever had.
    
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    October 6, 2019 10:45am
    - sooty
      
      Don’t forget the nodding one!
      
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      October 6, 2019 2:04pm
- Greg Ettridge
  
  MMP
  Monotonous Manipulating Piffle
  
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  October 6, 2019 9:03am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    Greetings and good morning downticker
    Could you elighten me on just 10 achievements this COL MMP have achieved in their two years in Government.
    Just in case you don’t think my analysis is accurate, tell me which parts of below are fantasy.
    Monotonous (whole cabinet)
    dull, tedious, and repetitious; lacking in variety and interest.
    Manipulating (now who would that be)
    handle or control (a tool, mechanism, information, etc.) in a skilful manner.
    Piffle (Most open government ever?)
    nonsense · garbage · claptrap · balderdash · blather · blether · moonshine · foolishness · silliness · rubbish · rot · tripe · hogwash · baloney · drivel · bilge · bosh · bull · bunk · guff · eyewash · poppycock · phooey · hooey · malarkey · twaddle · dribble · cobblers · codswallop · stuff and nonsense · tosh · cack · havers · codology · flapdoodle · blathers · applesauce · wack · bushwa · bunkum · tommyrot · cod · gammon · toffee
    
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    October 6, 2019 11:37am
    - sooty
      
      Nothing, they have achieved nothing!
      Only thing they have done is employ 10,000 odd sycophants in 250 working groups who tilth 15% of their wages to the Labour party!
      
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      October 6, 2019 11:50am
- whostoblame
  
  Winston promised to buy back the power company shares during the previous election with kiwisaver funds. You know, the non govt guaranteed funds, our savings, my savings. I detest the man and this gang of thieves.
  
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  October 6, 2019 9:05am
- Chuck Bird
  
  I agree. Other parties like ACT can Honour what they pledge but cannot deliver. A small party like ACT or the New Conservatives could possibly stop National but not likely on anything very important.
  
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  October 6, 2019 9:10am
  - Colville
    
    Yeah thinking like that worked out so well in ’17 didn’t it?
    
    FFS.
    
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    October 6, 2019 9:20am
  - Happychappy
    
    I partly agree Chuck but I lost faith in Seymour when sold his soul to Winston to further his euthanasia bill.
    
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    October 6, 2019 9:29am
Scott

At the moment people are obsessed with politics. For some of them it is the only thing. Donald Trump, climate change policies, politics around race relations, sexual politics – everything has become politicised.

Traditionally we have had a hierarchy of importance involving God and family and country. In that order.

So that means for me that even though I support Donald Trump, he is not like the “Messiah”. I just like what he is doing. Similarly I think our prime minister has no clue. But I still pray for her. I still want the best for her.

But I think most people would agree with me that family is more important than politics. Our family should be a great focus of our concern. Similarly country is important. Not in a political sense, but in a love for our country, our land and our people.

And finally God helps us to not lose our joy when things on earth don’t go so well. If for example Labour wins the next election, that is not the end of the world, for me anyway.

As the ancient prophets Nehemiah once said “Nehemiah said, “Go and enjoy choice food and sweet drinks, and send some to those who have nothing prepared. This day is holy to our Lord. Do not grieve, for the joy of the Lord is your strength.” Nehemiah 8:10

Have a great day 🙂
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October 6, 2019 8:39am
- Swifty
  
  Saw a fascinating doco last night which presented a strong argument that the resurrection was fabricated purely to strengthen some of his followers claims that they should be his rightful inheritors – i.e. those who he ‘appeared’ to.
  
  Of course we all know now that the whole thing was invented by men – but interesting to get a better grasp of why.
  
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  October 6, 2019 9:16am
- KevO'Brien
  
  You too.
  
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  October 6, 2019 9:17am
- Tall Man
  
  Cheers Scott.
  
  I certainly don’t think you’re on the right path with god stuff but I do agree that family and country are important.
  
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  October 6, 2019 9:40am
- The King
  
  Trump called himself “King of the jews” whether or not you think he’s a messiah is irrelevant.
  
  He thinks he is the messiah.
  
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  October 6, 2019 10:21am
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    All together now….
    
    “He’s not the Messiah…..”
    
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    October 6, 2019 1:07pm
  - Billy Collins
    
    Tom Hanks also said “I’m Forest…Forest Gump”
    
    But you have to be a complete idiot to think either of them were seriously expressing something they genuinely believe when they said it.
    
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    October 6, 2019 6:53pm
    - SGA
      
      What? Tom Hanks was in a movie playing the role of a character of Forrest Gump – that’s the perfectly good reason why he said it. Trump’s comment was what? At best, some self-aggrandising hyperbole?
      
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      October 6, 2019 8:48pm
- SGA
  
  For a minute there, I thought you were going to start passing the plate around. 🙂 🙂
  
  At the moment people are obsessed with politics.
  
  At the moment? Go back half a century or so and it’s the Vietnam war, the threat of nuclear annihilation, the Red menace, apartheid in South Africa, civil rights in the USA, the growth of the feminist movement, “flower power” and the counter culture. I suspect that it’s always been that way, hasn’t it, and for most of the last 1000 years Christianity has played politics with the best of them.
  
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  October 6, 2019 10:59am
Justitia

It appears an assortment of attention-seeking ecofascists and anarchists and are planning to disrupt people trying to get to work in Wellington tomorrow morning under the banner of Extinction Rebellion: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/116347999/inside-the-climate-rebels-training-camp-ahead-of-serious-disruption-plan.
Such actions will no doubt reinforce the sense of self-worth and moral superiority of people suffering from man-made climate change delusion. Jacinda has after all declared this our “nuclear-free moment”. We are now witnessing the ascendancy of an apocalyptic, millenarian cult of the kind thought to have vanished with the end of the Middle Ages, which is endorsed and egged on by the media and the cabal of lunatics who have found themselves in government thanks to a wicked spell cast by an evil drunken dwarf.
No doubt the Police will be seeking out supplies of solvents today to deal with those demented people who glue their sorry arses to the tarmac of SH1 at the Basin Reserve. Whatever they may do, the voters of Wellington probably deserve it.
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October 6, 2019 8:44am
- chaos
  
  Just walk up to them and tell them you have measles.
  
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  October 6, 2019 9:14am
  - Yvette
    
    Better, Chaos, welcome and hug them, embrace them, then tell them that you have measles – but only if you can run fast
    
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    October 6, 2019 9:23am
  - kevn
    
    @chaos… If I was in Welly, I would.
    
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    October 6, 2019 11:08am
- kowtow
  
  Crippling the public service tomorrow , no one will notice any disruption …….
  
  Meanwhile how will Our Little Lady of the Apocalpse return to Sweden ?
  
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  October 6, 2019 9:24am
- RiP NZ
  
  Glued ar$e, meet water cannon
  
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  October 6, 2019 9:41am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  The aroha just drips and oozes from my every pore and orifice when I read of these dedicated individuals…
  Peace on them!
  
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  October 6, 2019 9:43am
- Rich Prick
  
  So disrupting the rest of us, and implying violence may be used, they hope to convince us to join their cult-like belief system. No thanks, and find some soap and have a shower.
  
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  October 6, 2019 9:43am
- peterwn
  
  That is why the Bill og Rights Act needs to be amended so it is a human right for ordinary people to go about their daily business without being obstructed.
  
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  October 6, 2019 10:11am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The Police just need to do their sworn jobs. The right to peace is always with us.
    
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    October 6, 2019 1:30pm
- coge
  
  Very white, very middle class.
  
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  October 6, 2019 12:56pm
igm

The sooner this irresponsible left-wing lying Fairfax mob are declared fiscally bankrupt the better . . . they are already morally bankrupt!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/116347999/inside-the-climate-rebels-training-camp-ahead-of-serious-disruption-plan
This is bullshit and should not be made public.
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October 6, 2019 9:11am
- KevO'Brien
  
  That article is close to a participation in a conspiracy to cause mayhem on our streets. New is not actively law breaking.
  
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  October 6, 2019 9:21am
- stephieboy
  
  igm, why don’t the climate deniers do something useful for a change and have their own equivalent “die in “!
  
  Aye?
  
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  October 6, 2019 9:33am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    But then who would be left to pay taxes and keep the benefits flowing? Simply wouldn’t be allowed to happen by this govt…
    Your thinking lacks clarity.
    
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    October 6, 2019 1:48pm
  - igm
    
    You sure are the lowest commenter here.
    
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    October 6, 2019 5:14pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    They’re smarter.
    
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    October 6, 2019 5:38pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    “Climate Deniers”. Please explain? I know many highly intelligent scientists that question the physics around CO2 induced warming, but none of them “Deny Climate”. Please be more errudite in your comments.
    
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    October 6, 2019 8:21pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    We’re working, Stephie you self-beclowner. Plus we don’t go in for self-indulgent in-vain virtue signaling. Sod off, swampy.
    
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    October 7, 2019 4:35am
- sooty
  
  Where is the water canon?
  Just have to make do with firehouses?
  
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  October 6, 2019 11:53am
- backster
  
  Maybe Soros is keeping them afloat.
  
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  October 6, 2019 11:58am
  - stephieboy
    
    backster, not a” maybe” Soros is not!
    
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    October 6, 2019 1:56pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Some background to the funding of Extinction Rebellion
    
    https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2019/08/03/is-george-soros-funding-extinction-rebellion/
    
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/27/climate/climate-change-protests-funding.html
    
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/09/06/getty-heiress-donates-500000-fund-backs-extinction-rebellion/
    
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    October 6, 2019 2:16pm
- Overworked
  
  Stuff is in the early stages of hanging itself with its own rope. They are so dedicated to climate rescue they ban opposing opinion yet financially just scrape by thanks to the heavy international travel promotion and advertising in their outlets.
  
  Greta started the backlash against international leisure travel by refusing to take planes, and it is in the early stages of catching on. Won’t be long before Fairfax is on the sharp end of social media outrage and finds itself folding.
  
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  October 6, 2019 3:09pm
KevO'Brien

Trump has had enough. Lefties believe bullying and having their way is the only way.
Trump’s election messages are full in their face:-
https://www.wnd.com/2019/10/takes-tough-guy-beat-swamp/
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October 6, 2019 9:14am
- stephieboy
  
  Which swamp has the President drained precisely?
  
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  October 6, 2019 9:30am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    It’s underway–the TV advts will cause screams of foul play from the named parties. This is close to civil war.
    
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    October 6, 2019 1:32pm
    - igm
      
      Time for a civil war I think, then the right can totally annihilate the left for good.
      
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      October 6, 2019 4:36pm
Inandout

School holidays and a reasonably fine day should see a few there. Those wanting to catch a plane should plan ahead because Jacinda’s police will stand back and observe from a distance.
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October 6, 2019 9:15am
MCos

Corruption alert!
Yala judge shoots himself in despair at interference from his superiors with his verdict
Note that in Thailand there are no jury trials.

http://www.khaosodenglish.com/news/crimecourtscalamity/2019/10/04/judges-protest-by-attempted-suicide-shakes-judicial-authority/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/1765179/judge-shoots-self-in-court
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October 6, 2019 9:20am
Kabull

Ms Ardern making it into the Daily Mail this morning and being quoted as saying:

‘We have to now make sure…that we have this conversation, that we talk about our history much more openly.
‘We were only really telling, I believe, 50 percent of the story, and not always telling it well.’
New Zealand should continue to learn and tell the full story of its past, she added.
‘I’d ask anyone to imagine what it would be like to hear a story be retold, knowing that, actually, you lost an ancestor directly because of those encounters and not feeling like that’d be adequately told.’

I would like to know when Ms Ardern is going to openly acknowledge the many instances of unprovoked attacks by Maori on European explorers and settlers. Tasman? DuFresne? The Boyd? To mention just a few. I really have to question how much New Zealand history she learned during her childhood and at University – I suspect not a lot.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7541117/Jacinda-Ardern-says-New-Zealand-face-past-Britain-statement-regret.html
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October 6, 2019 9:20am
- The King
  
  Marxists attempting to re-write history, we’ve heard this story before.
  
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  October 6, 2019 1:34pm
- stephieboy
  
  Kabull, I suspect like the PM you also have learnt very little.
  
  Try this as a starter.
  
  https://www.penguin.co.nz/books/the-penguin-history-of-new-zealand-9780143567578
  
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  October 6, 2019 1:50pm
  - Kabull
    
    Wrong, Stephie boy. You have no idea what my background is.
    
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    October 6, 2019 3:54pm
Fletch

In case you missed it (and our media won’t tell you), Schiff and his Democrats, along with Republicans, met with one Kurt Volker, who was a U.S. diplomatic envoy to Ukraine for two years. Volker basically said there was nothing wrong with what Trump did, no quid pro quo, etc. This is why Schiff scurried away from waiting media after the meeting and had nothing to say.

The Volker testimony has now been released and once again, we find that the Democrats’ version of the facts is false.

That fact explains why Republicans yesterday said there was no case after hearing his testimony and why Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA) ran scurrying away from reporters refusing to comment.

The full transcript pretty much blows their theory of the case for impeachment out of the water.

Kurt Volker was a U.S. diplomatic envoy to Ukraine for two years. He said that contrary to the whistleblower complaint there was never any effort to get Ukraine to dig up dirt on Hunter or Joe Biden.

From The Federalist:

“As you will see from the extensive text messages I am providing, which convey a sense of real-time dialogue with several different actors, Vice President Biden was never a topic of discussion,” he said.

Volker testified that he never even mentioned a delay on U.S. military assistance to Ukrainian officials until late August, when news reports indicated that funding had been put on hold. Volker’s statement directly undercuts claims that the funding was part of a deliberate quid pro quo meant to force the Ukrainians to take certain actions in order for the military aids to be released.

Volker’s testimony also reflected badly on Democrats. Volker said that Trump didn’t have the best view of the Ukraine because of their involvement in allegedly helping the Democrats undermine him during the 2016 election and Trump was not happy with corruption in the country.

Volker testified that he believed the allegations of Ukrainian meddling in the 2016 U.S. presidential elections on behalf of the Democrats were “plausible.”

He said on the other hand that no one on the Trump team was trying to do that in the 2020 election. “The point about Ukraine avoiding anything that could play into U.S. elections in 2020 is a message that I know our Chargé in Ukraine, Amb. Bill Taylor, reinforced in other meetings,” Volker asserted.

He said that he was not on the Ukraine phone call being looked at, but that overall it was a “good” call and in no way was there any quid pro quo or linkage of aid related to the Bidens.

“All said it was a good, congratulatory call, that they discussed the importance of fighting corruption and promoting reform in Ukraine, and that President Trump reiterated his invitation to President Zelensky to visit the White House,” he testified. “I was not made aware of any reference to Vice President Biden or his son, which I only learned about when the transcript of the call was released on September 25, 2019.”

https://www.redstate.com/nick-arama/2019/10/04/volker-testimony-released-blows-impeachment-narrative-and-schiffs-story-completely-out-of-the-water/

https://thefederalist.com/2019/10/04/testimony-from-ukraine-envoy-kurt-volker-directly-contradicts-democrats-impeachment-narrative/

It should be noted that Volker was a good friend of John McCain, who was no friend of Trump.
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October 6, 2019 9:21am
- MCos
  
  You need to do some more reading besides obviously biased reporting from one point of view.
  https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/04/us/politics/volker-giuliani-ukraine.html
  
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  October 6, 2019 2:30pm
  - Fletch
    
    Here is the official transcript. I quoted from it above but you can read it for yourself and see that the NY Times is all spin.
    
    https://www.scribd.com/document/428765582/Full-Statement-from-U-S-Ukraine-Envoy-Ambassador-Kurt-Volker-on-October-3-2019
    
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    October 6, 2019 5:31pm
Colville

Well done to Japan last night getting up over Samoa quite comprehensively. Next Sundays game Vs Scotland will decide that pool and the ABs opponent.

Wow, didn’t England look ordinary? took 25 minutes against 14 men to score a point.
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October 6, 2019 9:26am
Fletch

Fox News host Lou Dobbs, in a moment of candor, says Pelosi and Schumer should “go to Hell”.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcrPF1vxMlo
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October 6, 2019 9:29am
stephieboy

I see the Holy Father has got the mix right,

Pope focuses on social justice with choice of new cardinals
“ Pope Francis has installed new cardinals, putting his stamp on the future of the Roman Catholic Church with men who share his vision for social justice, immigrants’ rights and dialogue with Islam…”

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/400371/pope-focuses-on-social-justice-with-choice-of-new-cardinals
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October 6, 2019 9:29am
kowtow

A foul and cowardly attack on a banker in HK.
The incident was triggered when he questioned a cheeky POS photographer who was filming his mobile phone. Very concerningly another photographer , a white guy, closes the door in front of him trapping him such that a member of the mob can then attack him .

WTF is it about the so called fourth estste?

https://www.scmp.com/video/hong-kong/3031701/mainland-chinese-jp-morgan-employee-punched-hong-kong
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October 6, 2019 9:30am
softail 1450

Sundays history lesson…
In 1273 the Arabs invented the condom by using the lower intestine of a goat,
In 1876 the English perfected it by first removing it from the animal,,,,,LOL.
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October 6, 2019 9:32am
The only red for me is that of Manchester United

No love for Arden or the Nobel Peace Prize here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpCHHdBur0g&t=14s

The comments also reveal what Australian’s currently think of us (freeloaders and whingers) and Arden (a socialist fascist)
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October 6, 2019 9:35am
srylands

For the last three days on Kiwiblog the only ad I see is one offering me a free toothbrush if I go and get an HIV test.
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October 6, 2019 9:40am
- Rich Prick
  
  Clear your browser history 🙂
  
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  October 6, 2019 2:05pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Anyone seen a comma ellipsis?
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/oct/05/linguist-gretchen-mcculloch-interview-because-internet-book
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October 6, 2019 9:58am
- Aliog
  
  No,,,but it was an interesting read 🙂
  
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  October 6, 2019 10:19am
- Jules99
  
  No, I haven’t seen any, but this might be a clue:
  
  “There’s a Facebook group in which younger people pretend to be to be baby boomers,”
  
  ???
  
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  October 6, 2019 1:36pm
Odakyu-sen

Go Japan!

When I buy fruit juice, I like to know the relationship between the name of the juice and the actual content of that juice.

For example, if I buy cranberry juice I know that it will never be 100% cranberry, for it would be undrinkable. Maybe it is the same for rugby.

Of the 31 athletes in the Japanese squad (Ref: https://www.rugbyworldcup.com/teams/japan)
– 16 have Japanese names
– 1 has a Korean name
– 4 appear to be Caucasian
– 9 appear to be Polynesian
– 1 (judging by his name) is Japanese/Polynesian

Maybe this is the best blend to produce a winning formula for the Japanese. This sends a message to the Japanese public that an obsession with “purity” may not be the only way to view the world (or more precisely, the internal workings of Japanese society and its institutions).

It would be interesting to analyze the constitutions of the other teams.
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October 6, 2019 10:06am
- Tall Man
  
  Scotland is interesting as well but from memory Tonga have 19 not born in Tonga.
  
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  October 6, 2019 1:52pm
  - Paginus
    
    Are you still trying to spread that lie that Tongans aren’t Tongan, Tall man?
    With 19 players born abroad Tonga has more players born in other countries than all others competing at RWC 2019. All 20 men qualify via a “parent” with 18 born in New Zealand, and the other two in Australia
    
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    October 6, 2019 2:49pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Hey numbnuts, the name’s Tall Man not ardern.
      
      19 of Tongas players were not born in Tonga and 15 of Scotland’s players were not born in Scotland.
      
      Most of that 19 identify as Kiwis and carry a New Zealand passport. Now if they choose to “identify” as Tongans and go to a World Cup then good for them but the facts remain, the bulk of the Tongan team were not born in Tonga.
      
      Now there’s a certain weightlifter out there than calls himself a woman with nuts, sounds like you and her are made for each other.
      
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      October 6, 2019 4:35pm
      - Paginus
        
        The man has a piece of paper saying he’s a woman, so by your logic he’s a woman.
        Just like all those Islanders playing for Japan have a piece of paper. So your logic says they’re Japanese.
        See where your lies get you, you’re trying to argue nonsense that having Tongan parents makes you a New Zealander.
        
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        October 6, 2019 9:33pm
- MCos
  
  Here is a full list for you
  
  NZ has four immigrants, which is about 13%, about half the general population demographic.
  
  http://www.americasrugbynews.com/2019/09/09/foreign-born-raised-players-at-rwc-2019/
  
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  October 6, 2019 2:46pm
Yvette

Sea levels could rise up to 20 metres if Paris climate accord isn’t followed, NZ study finds

• “One-third of Antarctica’s ice sheet — equivalent to up to 20 metres sea-level rise — sits below sea-level and is vulnerable to widespread and catastrophic collapse from ocean heating.

If it already sits below sea-level, how could it raise sea-levels – particularly as one understand ice contracts in volume as it melts?

• “It melted in the past when atmospheric carbon dioxide levels were 400 parts per million (ppm), as they are today,” she said.

“As they are today” – so, why has it not already melted?

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/sea-levels-could-rise-up-20-metres-if-paris-climate-accord-isnt-followed-nz-study-finds
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October 6, 2019 10:08am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  The operative word here is “could”.
  
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  October 6, 2019 1:10pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  It’s only a VUW piece–any other viewpoint would not be publishable so no “academic credits” for their fantasies.
  
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  October 6, 2019 1:42pm
- Tall Man
  
  All I can say is “Bullshit”.
  
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  October 6, 2019 1:43pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  How many coal mines/oil wells were operating in the past (3 million years ago) when atmospheric CO2 levels were 400ppm?
  
  Why did the atmospheric CO2 level drop to 280ppm in the mid 1850s.? (and who measured it accurately at this time…and where did they measure it?)
  
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  October 6, 2019 2:23pm
  - Fletch
    
    https://web.archive.org/web/20140413182846/https://www.biomind.de/nogreenhouse/daten/EE%2018-2_Beck.pdf
    
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    October 6, 2019 5:45pm
lastmanstanding

Would be good to get a trick cyclists professional opinion on Winston her followers and supporters.

I suspect the trick cyclist would identify a long list of mental issues amongst them.

They are all a bunch of trolley cases.
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October 6, 2019 10:12am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  I’d assign greed and entitlement way above any psychiatric diagnosis*.
  
  (*If we need a psych ICD code, let’s assign pathological narcissism).
  
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  October 6, 2019 11:23am
marcw

Yet more evidence that Stuff is irrelevant – reading The Press online this morning you would be forgiven for not knowing that Canterbury lifted the Ranfurly Shield last night in an epic battle with Otago. Zilch. Nada. Nothing to see here.

Once a proud chronicle of the city of Chritchurch and the Canterbury region, now reduced to a pathetic propaganda and women’s weekly publication who’s juvenile ‘reporters’ are too scared to even allow talkback on what they insist are facts masquerading as ill informed opinion.

Enjoy your redundancy payments you pathetic and ignorant rabble is all I can suggest. What great shame you bring on all those real journalists that once provided a respected and informed publication to the country.
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October 6, 2019 10:22am
- chaos
  
  Article went up last night
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/provincial/116207420/canterbury-beat-otago-to-claim-the-ranfurly-shield-for-the-summer
  
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  October 6, 2019 1:17pm
- MCos
  
  The Ranfurly Shield used to mean something.
  Let’s see how many people bother to go to the wretched ‘Orangetheory’ Stadium next Sunday to watch the mighty Cantabs repel the Ogres from the North.
  Precious few, I’ll warrant
  BTW
  All the reporters are in Japan – by the hundred. Nobody in Hong Kong, Iraq or anywhere else where real world events are happening
  
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  October 6, 2019 2:58pm
Maggie Pie

As my partner often sez, “Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it”

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGHz_qMWsAY_DLv?format=jpg&name=small
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October 6, 2019 10:22am
peterwn

So the Herald has interviewed a 18 year old girl who was kidnapped as a baby, but has paywalled the story on their web site. I hope the Herald made her a proper payment for her professional services in granting the interview since the story is for the Herald’s gain. She may have declined to be interviewed if she had realised the story was going to be paywalled.
Otherwise the action of the Herald is just sick. This is especially as the Herald has not paywalled other stories commemorating the 15th anniversary of the ‘Herald on sunday’.
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October 6, 2019 10:33am
- DigNap15
  
  If I want to read the Women’s Weekly I will buy a copy at the shop
  
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  October 6, 2019 3:13pm
Chuck Bird

The Enlightened Kiwi (video) 13.16 min

What is New Zealands Prime Minister thinking??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAuPsSN1fqg
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October 6, 2019 10:46am
- Swifty
  
  Well, that was cringeworthy Chuck.
  
  I admire the sentiment but the guy needs to properly marshal his arguments.
  
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  October 6, 2019 1:07pm
The King

Iraq is about to explode again media attacked today over 100 dead so far…

https://www.rt.com/news/470289-saudi-kurdish-tv-stormed-baghdad/
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October 6, 2019 10:52am
Jack5

Hong Kong is locked down after a rough Friday night: transport is out, banks closed.

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/3031680/hong-kong-leader-carrie-lam-calls-public-condemn-violence
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October 6, 2019 10:54am
- srylands
  
  The British should never have given away Hong Kong. The 99 year lease on the New Territories expired in 1997 which precipitated the hand over. The UK should just have stared China down.
  
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  October 6, 2019 1:14pm
  - kowtow
    
    ‘The UK should just have stared China down.’
    
    With what ?
    
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    October 6, 2019 1:44pm
    - coge
      
      Tea and crumpets.
      
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      October 6, 2019 7:26pm
Jack5

Remember when the Ranfurly Shield matches were big events?

https://www.odt.co.nz/sport/rugby/otago/otago-lose-shield-epic
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October 6, 2019 10:57am
Ed Snack

Seems like our beloved whistleblower in the US may be in for a spot of bother. They signed their statutory form under penalty of perjury stating that they had no outside contacts about their complaint before delivering it to the IG. And we know that to be false as they not only revealed it to Congress and Schiff, but discussed it and planned the release of it with Schiff. Schiff admitted being contacted by the WB and in a letter he released back on 9 September he uses the exact same distorted quote from a Ukrainian website as in the WB report – showing clear evidence of coordination.

Under the WB statute that means he automatically loses his WB protections and is liable for indictment. Wonder if the DOJ has the balls to follow this up.
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October 6, 2019 11:11am
stephieboy

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Moderators, question, please?

My posts were put up around 9.30 am Unlike others at a similar time still awaiting your approval.

Deliberate or oversight?
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October 6, 2019 11:42am
- Swifty
  
  Either way we’re grateful.
  
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  October 6, 2019 12:49pm
  - srylands
    
    ??
    
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    October 6, 2019 2:02pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  You got nothin’ to complain about steph!
  I coomented @ 9:59 am on the “At least it was a woman” post – and its STILL in moderation. Obviously just an oversight 🙂
  
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  October 6, 2019 12:52pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Who gives a f**k?
  Who wants to read them anyway?
  
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  October 6, 2019 12:59pm
  - chaos
    
    The police
    
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    October 6, 2019 1:47pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Hopefully deliberate. This blog is far better without your ramblings and inane bullshit. As for the virtually criminal behaviour against Maggie, it beggars belief that you have not been banned.
  
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  October 6, 2019 8:29pm
stephieboy

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
If anything the rise of Boris Johnson has also seen a rise in Scottish anti Brexit Nationalism as thousands take to the streets in Edinburgh with a forest of Scots national flags seeking Scottish Independence!

We do live Interesting times indeed !

Scotland: Thousands march in pro-independence rally

“A 2014 referendum saw 55% of voters opposing Scottish independence, but nationalists argue that the 2016 UK referendum in favor of Brexit calls for another vote. Scotland voted by 62% to stay in the EU…”

https://www.dw.com/en/scotland-thousands-march-in-pro-independence-rally/a-50712391
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October 6, 2019 11:51am
- The King
  
  Oh so now you like Nationalism.
  
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  October 6, 2019 1:26pm
  - kowtow
    
    Funny innit ?
    
    Scottish nationalism good , English nationalism bad.
    
    Who knew?
    
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    October 6, 2019 1:46pm
  - Jack5
    
    Scotland would be rooted economically if it split from the United Kingdom.
    
    An independent Scotland would count on revenue from oil, but any oil price easing would see Scottish national debt likely blow out to 140 per cent of GDP, according to the link below.
    
    Venezuela, rather than a white Qatar would be its likely future model:
    
    https://www.fxcm.com/uk/insights/what-effect-would-scottish-independence-have-on-world-business/
    
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    October 6, 2019 1:54pm
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND’S SUPPRESSED OVER – PRICED LAND BASED TOURUSM … AS KIWIS AND CHINESE FLEE FOR BETTER VALUE …

… If you get the land prices wrong … everything else is wrong …

The tide of Chinese visitors has turned – should the tourism industry be worried? … Amanda Cropp … Stuff New Zealand

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/116008425/the-tide-of-chinese-visitors-has-turned–should-the-tourism-industry-be-worried

… extract …

… There is concern New Zealand may be pricing itself off the market with some three star accommodation demanding five star prices.

Li warns that middle to high income Chinese expect value for money,”they’re getting more and more picky on the quality,” and some are hotels falling down on service standards.

Skyline Gondola commercial manager Craig Douglas says that in the context of how quickly the Chinese market grew, a correction was expected, but pricing is an issue.

“We’re a small operator in the global tourism space, we’re an expensive offering, and we need to ensure we deliver up the value that goes with those costs.” … read more via hyperlink above …
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… May report … Kiwis increasingly see cruising as better value …

Kiwis cruising in record numbers according Cruise Lines International Association … Grant Bradley … New Zealand Herald

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12228130

… extract …

… New Zealanders are taking to ocean cruising faster than any other country, breaking through the 100,000 barrier for the first time – reaching a total of 112,000 passengers a year in a spurt of world-leading growth.

The record result in 2018 was a 14.6 per cent increase on the previous year, well ahead of the growth rate of the world’s largest and more established cruise markets, including the United States (9.4 per cent) and Europe (3.3 per cent).

While just a fraction of the global market, figures released today by CLIA showed a strong momentum in the Kiwi market, with passenger growth averaging 13.5 per cent each year over the past decade. … read more via hyperlink above …
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… If the land pricing is wrong … everything else ( including housing … the most expensive in the Anglosphere at 6.5 times household earnings … Demographia Housing Affordability Survey ) is wrong …

… When is the coalition government starting on the path of restoring normal property markets in New Zealand ? … access information via Performance Urban Planning http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org .
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October 6, 2019 12:02pm
KevO'Brien

A good, but long, explanation of market cycles. tariffs and current economic concerns:-
https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/macleod-last-happened-was-1929-32
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October 6, 2019 2:04pm
- stephieboy
  
  Always being a Zero Hedge sceptic. Here’s one reason why,
  
  “Has ZeroHedge been more right or wrong in its calls?”
  
  ZH is constantly wrong. They’ve probably called the top of the market hundreds of times in the last decade.
  They hide that by the use of various devices –
  
  They use snide innuendo rather than clear statements
  They imply things rather than stating them outright
  They are vague rather than precise
  They hint at inside knowledge that suggests that they know more than you, so even if you think they’re wrong they’re actually right
  They make claims that cannot be proven or, more pertinently disproven
  They manipulate data and charts to make you think that significant trends or movements are happening when they aren’t
  
  The site is there to push an agenda. Some of the things they write are interesting and some are true. But their track record on predictions is horrible.
  
  https://www.quora.com/Has-ZeroHedge-been-more-right-or-wrong-in-its-calls
  
  Another reason too,
  
  Zero Hedge is a batshit insane Austrian school finance blog run by two pseudonymous founders who post articles under the name “Tyler Durden,” after the character from Fight Club. It’s essentially apocalypse porn. It has accurately predicted 200 of the last 2 recessions…”
  
  https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Zero_Hedge
  
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  October 6, 2019 7:51pm
sooty

Link whoring again, hughie. What no one visiting, so you are trying to pinch.
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October 6, 2019 2:13pm
Prince

An excellent expose of Megan Woods’ electricity reform on ‘Point of Order’.
https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2019/10/05/power-poverty-and-politics-lets-throw-some-light-on-the-meaning-of-levelling/
It seems so obvious, but all the reports on Morning Report and television news bulletins pretended the reform would benefit everybody. Power prices rose exponentially during Clark’s Govt, and will do so again under this lot for most customers.
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October 6, 2019 2:55pm
- Jack5
  
  A good post at Point of Order.
  
  Woods announced the electricity changes on Thursday. Has National, or even ACT, pointed out the changes are old-time socialism? Or are Opposition politicians locked out by the media?
  
  Reward slow payers, penalise prompt payers, demand sector company reporting beyond that required by legislation, new power to regulate the industry … Red stuff.
  
  Woods’ announcement included:
  
  ” We’re also putting the [electricity] industry on notice – we intend to review these changes in our second term to ensure savings are passed on to consumers. We will be passing backstop legislation shortly to allow the Government to introduce regulations directly when required.
  
  It’s a step in renationalisation of electricity.
  
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  October 6, 2019 8:20pm
Monique Watson

This is a tragedy. Hard to think of this happening in Dunedin. Student trampled to death. Where is the sense of community in today’s student bodies:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12274046
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October 6, 2019 3:36pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Before you go out to the BBQ, some food for thought. Candace Owens is going places. Her last sentence is a bombshell.
TDS sufferers can go now – go clean the BBQ.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/10/04/owens-for-decades-black-voters-have-been-disrespected-by-democrats/?fbclid=IwAR1EWaVy_Sbc67l_xEqbY1c-bJzGzod4RZ8nxxvws3mG4tgVr9matrCk1P8
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October 6, 2019 4:53pm
- chaos
  
  This is a good video
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYqCQy7fvFw
  
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  October 6, 2019 5:35pm
- Paginus
  
  Why do conservatives think a black women who was left wing all her life, should be the leader of their movement?
  She is clearly just pretending to be right wing for money and fame.
  
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  October 6, 2019 9:05pm
Cobolt24

The ‘Never Trump’ Coalition That Decided Eh, Nevermind, He’s Fine

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-never-trump-coalition-that-decided-eh-nevermind-hes-fine/ar-AAIjNMw
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October 6, 2019 5:35pm
chaos

‘The left practices tolerance in the most superficial ways’

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AkbfmMNVP8

Meet the former liberal behind the #WalkAway campaign — an emerging political movement that encourages voters to consider conservative politics.
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October 6, 2019 5:38pm
softail 1450

FFS, Am I the only person on this blog that has come to the conclusion that Netflix is just a fucking load of shit that makes that iconic movie “turkey shoot” look like a hard hitting documentary?
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October 6, 2019 5:46pm
tranquil

Another excellent video here by Tony Heller showing how the warmists, wanting to create maximum alarm, commit FRAUD and deceive people –

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOx39lW-gv4

Among their techniques – start a graph at a “local minimum” – e.g. the end of a cooling period.
This makes it look like rapid “warming” is taking place when in fact the temperature is merely going to what it was BEFORE the cherry-picked starting-point.
See how blatant and easy it is?
It’s like only looking at the daytime and ignoring the night!
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